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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #150 on: April 15, 2019, 08:14:16 AM »
I don't give a rats arse about whether they have Holden, Ford or Nissan parts, I just enjoy the racing!  :cup: ;D :cup: ;D
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #151 on: April 15, 2019, 10:05:47 AM »
Exactly, how many Ford components?
Dunno, maybe engine and badge??

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #152 on: April 15, 2019, 10:07:46 AM »
I don't give a rats arse about whether they have Holden, Ford or Nissan parts, I just enjoy the racing!  :cup: ;D :cup: ;D
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #153 on: April 15, 2019, 10:11:12 AM »


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Grille? Mirrors? Door handles? Tail lights?
Geez, Supercars would be keeping Holden/Opal afloat if they were using genuine mirrors, wouldn't they?

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #154 on: April 15, 2019, 10:55:51 AM »
Dunno, maybe engine and badge??

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #155 on: April 16, 2019, 01:58:47 PM »
See that Roland is still whinging about the Mustangs aero, may be they would be better served making sure they have all the wheels screws on before they leave the pits.
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #156 on: April 25, 2019, 09:04:34 AM »


https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/supercars-makes-mustang-aero-changes/


Funny thing about these aero changes is that Mark Larkham highlitted these at the first race in Adelaide , as he stated all the teams signed off on the Mustang aero package , but the aero testing is only done in straight line speed . He predicted that the Mustang would have far better gains that the Holden and Nissan and that changes may be made if the new Mustang was showing above average results .
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #157 on: April 25, 2019, 09:18:34 AM »
Nothing would be done if T8 had been winning everything....
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #158 on: April 25, 2019, 09:27:33 AM »
Nothing would be done if T8 had been winning everything....

Thats right. Holden won 7 out of 10 of last years races with the new designed car and Roland was happy.

I hope Scotty wins the even more now.
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #159 on: April 25, 2019, 09:29:30 AM »
Nothing would be done if T8 had been winning everything....
That would be because the parity would be more on a par


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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #160 on: April 25, 2019, 09:49:26 AM »
Thats right. Holden won 7 out of 10 of last years races with the new designed car and Roland was happy.

I hope Scotty wins the even more now.
I reckon the way Scott's driving ATM he would win if he was riding a push bike

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #161 on: April 25, 2019, 10:17:54 AM »
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I reckon the way Scott's driving ATM he would win if he was riding a push bike
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #162 on: April 25, 2019, 01:28:02 PM »
What a debacle.  As John Bowe posted. The squeaky wheel gets the oil perhaps?

So apparently the homologation process involves 2 track tests and a straight line test.  Yet the powers to be can make 3 aero changes, plus the earlier change in ballast rules.  All with zero real world track testing (or even a wind tunnel) to make sure some computer testing and 'educated guesses' are correct?
Just force changes and cross your fingers at the next round it's right...

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #163 on: April 25, 2019, 03:20:44 PM »
And I hope the Mustangs come out and poke it far and square up Roland's arse. The Kelly's are behind the eightball and struggling with the changes and all they say is we have some work to do, and just get on with it.
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #164 on: April 25, 2019, 03:33:11 PM »
What a debacle.  As John Bowe posted. The squeaky wheel gets the oil perhaps?

So apparently the homologation process involves 2 track tests and a straight line test.  Yet the powers to be can make 3 aero changes, plus the earlier change in ballast rules.  All with zero real world track testing (or even a wind tunnel) to make sure some computer testing and 'educated guesses' are correct?
Just force changes and cross your fingers at the next round it's right...

Amateur hour.

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #165 on: April 25, 2019, 05:41:04 PM »
Nothing would be done if T8 had been winning everything....
Spot on.
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #166 on: April 25, 2019, 05:50:28 PM »
Parity changes have always been around and the newer vehicles have changes made.  This time around it is the Mustangs.   

I think what makes it so different this time around Supercars have been caught napping on their own rules. 

Basically, previously teams have taken the factory vehicle and tried to make a race car out of it.  This time around DJRP, Tickford and Ford worked together to produce a race car that is an advanced, state-of-the-art Supercar, designed and built within the rules of the series and done a terrific job with it.  And that is where Supercars have been caught out with it's own rules.  CoG hasn't been an issue before.  The same with aerodynamics during cornering, not just in a straight line. 

I think we all knew when Penske joined DJR things were going to change and that change came in the Mustang.  It's not just the other teams that have to catch up to the six Mustangs but also Supercars have to catch up too. 

The saddest part of Supercars now the way the vehicle manufactures have gone, is at least the Holden badge is Australian. 

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #167 on: April 26, 2019, 08:09:07 AM »
No wonder manufacturers leave!

Have a look at Ingall and Morris's new youtube channel. I think this will take off.
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #168 on: April 26, 2019, 08:49:45 AM »
No wonder manufacturers leave!

Have a look at Ingall and Morris's new youtube channel. I think this will take off.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNTgkaYiCf8hhNA6wDrzd_g
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #169 on: April 26, 2019, 08:55:40 AM »
What a debacle.  As John Bowe posted. The squeaky wheel gets the oil perhaps?

So apparently the homologation process involves 2 track tests and a straight line test.  Yet the powers to be can make 3 aero changes, plus the earlier change in ballast rules.  All with zero real world track testing (or even a wind tunnel) to make sure some computer testing and 'educated guesses' are correct?
Just force changes and cross your fingers at the next round it's right...

Amateur hour.

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #170 on: April 26, 2019, 09:32:09 AM »
Sigh..............short memories............

Perkins bar!! I think Bowe was the loudest "wheel"
Not short. I remember the mid 90's and parity was all about who was loudest.
93 they got it wrong badly.  They never back to back tested the EB & VP properly. Too skewed in EB's favour in the beginning and then the changes GMS pushed later in the season skewed it too far the other way.

The 200mm undertray trimming from the EF in 95 was due to hard lobbying from Perkins.  Then prior to Bathurst in 96 Cams realised it was a mistake and gave Ford an option.  Have the 200mm back, or have 150mm removed from the VR undertray.  They went the later and Larry cracked it and turned up to Bathurst with the aero superior VP....

All of the above was done with no real world testing of these changes.  25 years on and nothing seems to have changed.

I'm not disputing there must be a parity issue.  The fact Ford are remaining quite says something.  My issue is making 3 different changes and not verifying the changes first in real world testing.

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #171 on: April 26, 2019, 04:17:33 PM »
Supercars have announced the latest rules to slow the Mustang down. This should do it.

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #172 on: April 26, 2019, 08:28:19 PM »
Supercars have announced the latest rules to slow the Mustang down. This should do it.
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #173 on: May 02, 2019, 11:29:37 AM »
This is from a Ford man, interesting read on his take of the mustang.
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/larkham-mustang-parity-change-the-right-call/

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #174 on: May 02, 2019, 11:12:48 PM »
Larko comes across as a company salesman toeing the company line .. selling Shite to the sheeple to  keep a cushy job ...
 The Mutant Stang was Built to the regulations / signed off on by all parties as legal and is now being  Knobbled because its a winner . Maybe the others just need to lift their game ..  ;D ;D  ..
For me they should forget the Super Taxi Tourer Farce and open it up to out n out anything goes Sports sedan series instead of the Suedo sports sedan series it is now.
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