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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #175 on: March 15, 2019, 11:15:19 AM »
Went to a meeting the other night to listen to what the Mayor has to say for herself about the Bypass.  She has demanded from the RMS and Pollies, the Best Bypass for Coffs Harbour which means tunnels, not cuttings.  What I found interesting was not the tunnel v cutting but asked the Mayor about the Coramba Road Interchange.  This interchange is midway along the Bypass and offers any east/west traffic the option of using the Bypass or continue with the current local roads into Coffs Harbour and onto the existing Highway.

Now our Mayor, who has demanded the Best Bypass for Coffs Harbour states the Council is NOT in favour of this Interchange and the reason, rather the excuse, is the local road is not up scratch and can not handle the additional traffic.  There is a section of split level lanes which creates problems and basically due to cost and it's just too hard, Council is not going to upgrade this road.  It is okay for the Mayor to demand the Best Bypass but will refuse to fix it's own local roads. 

Another Council rep added another reason, excuse, why Council is opposed to the Coramba Road Interchange and that is that trucks coming down Red Hill into Coffs Harbour will not be able to stop at the bottom for the two roundabouts and trucks using engine braking or exhaust braking, will be too noisy coming down Red Hill.   Now heavy vehicles have been using engine/exhaust braking coming down this hill ever since they started coming down the hill as it is the only safe way to come down the hill and manage to take the meandering road at the bottom. 

Listening to both I found their excuse to be some of the most pathetic hypercritical they could come up with to stop the Bypass from being the Best Bypass to being a waste of $1.5b.  Following further discussion the Mayor fully agrees the roadway needs fixing, but showed no interest in fixing the local road network to marry into the Bypass to give us the Best Option available.     
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #176 on: March 15, 2019, 07:46:13 PM »
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #177 on: May 06, 2019, 06:56:49 PM »
Just be patient.

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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #178 on: May 06, 2019, 08:15:16 PM »
Nothing is going to happen until the EIS is released and RMS doesn't want the Bypass made into a Political Football and as expected the EIS will not be released until after the Election has been sorted.  More then happy to wait. 

Once the EIS comes out depending on the plan as to what happens from there.  For all parties involved hopefully the EIS is based on the tunnels that the National Party told the RMS to do.  Tunnels as per the 2008 Connel Wagner Report.  Then we just need the Federal Government agree to the funding. 
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #179 on: May 06, 2019, 09:45:35 PM »
https://www.prime7.com.au/news/8245-bypass-tunnels?fbclid=IwAR1R4Cq0o-nBwdzkeqxqgwXkLyhGy4bhkBaAegZJF3FKrPNBLAf02Wtrxn0


Sums it up pretty well.  As I said above.  Everyone else is talking tunnels except Coffs Bypass Action Group.  They seem to think things happen at the click of your fingers and they are that important they should have a place at the Designers Table.  Even with the Outgoing retiring Federal Member saying tunnels apparently it's not good enough for CBAG.  CBAG somehow have this idea they can demand something from the RMS and get it.  Unfortunately for them RMS don't work that way.  The one person CBAG need to partner up with is our new local State Member who was with the other Nationals when they told RMS to do the Bypass with Tunnels.  CBAG refused my suggestion of having the new Local Member at their next meeting as it had the potential of exposing their tactics. 
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #180 on: May 07, 2019, 09:34:20 AM »
Just be patient.


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"Just back from 2044, & they're still arguing about the Coffs Harbour Bypass" ??? >:D
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #181 on: May 07, 2019, 02:50:48 PM »
Shouldn't that say

"Just back from 2044, & they're still arguing about the Coffs Harbour Bypass" ??? >:D
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #182 on: May 07, 2019, 03:38:38 PM »
Jesus H Christ, no wonder we have Shit roads in Australia compared to Europe/UK and the USA/Canada, what a joke.

I traveled around Europe in 1986(33yrs ago) and the roads then were 100% better back than they are now here.
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #183 on: May 07, 2019, 04:53:48 PM »
HaHa. Yep, that's a take off from that old Michael Douglas movie "Back to the Future"

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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #184 on: May 08, 2019, 08:39:53 AM »
 
         TRUCK ROLLOVER: The Pacific Highway has reopened after a truck crash in the Coffs Harbour CBD overnight saw it's closure in both directions. READ MORE: https://www.triplem.com.au/…/coffs-harbour-highway-truck-…/…                     A good reason not to have tunnels on the by-pass when built
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #185 on: May 08, 2019, 09:12:50 AM »
Jesus H Christ, no wonder we have Shit roads in Australia compared to Europe/UK and the USA/Canada, what a joke.

I traveled around Europe in 1986(33yrs ago) and the roads then were 100% better back than they are now here.

A lot more cattle to milk over there, though.
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #186 on: May 08, 2019, 09:56:52 PM »

         TRUCK ROLLOVER: The Pacific Highway has reopened after a truck crash in the Coffs Harbour CBD overnight saw it's closure in both directions. READ MORE: https://www.triplem.com.au/…/coffs-harbour-highway-truck-…/…                     A good reason not to have tunnels on the by-pass when built

Yep Pros and Cons for cuttings v tunnels.  At least either cuttings or tunnels will be built for vehicles to travel through at 110km/h without causing accidents.  The roundabout at Englands Road, along with the the sections of the Highway just north of the Big Banana, just south of the Coast Hotel, the intersection just below the Windmill are all prone to accidents/collisions by their design with just a little bit of excess speed.  The Big Banana would be the worst with a number of fatals over the years. 
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #187 on: May 08, 2019, 09:59:38 PM »
Just be patient.
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #188 on: May 19, 2019, 08:09:20 PM »
With both State and Federal elections done and dusted and with State and State member going to Coalition and Nationals and now the Federal going Coaltition also with a National Member many are now saying the Bypass will not be done for at least another three years as Coffs Harbour and the Federal Electorate of Cowper being both safe National Seats they do not have to spend any money in the area.  So according to the non National fans the Bypass will not happen now for two or more decades. 




Alternatively if they do build it they will go with cuttings as that is the cheapest option regardless of the non National fans as part of their demand for tunnels is/was the cost difference for tunnels and cuttings is minimal. 


Really these people need to work with our new local members to get the Bypass they are both committed to delivering.  Trouble is the Community Group has too much Political Agendas and not Bypass Agenda and refuse to invite the local member to a meeting as he may see their tactics.  When they said that to me I lost interest.   
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #189 on: May 19, 2019, 09:03:03 PM »
  So according to the non National fans the Bypass will not happen now for two or more decades. 




 

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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #190 on: May 19, 2019, 09:14:39 PM »
Send the machines down to Heatherbrae and finish the missing link on the busiest part of the M1.. :cheers:

If Bill had of won that may have happened.  While the locals here were carrying on about the Nationals committing to a fully funded Bypass with 'proper' tunnels and coming up with every conspiracy theory to disbelieve what the Nationals were promising and some locals very busy telling everyone to Vote Nationals last and to vote for an Independent as he is the only one that can deliver a tunnel bypass.  Labor never made an appearance or utter one word about Coffs Harbour or the electorate of Cowper for that matter and definitely did not make any commitment or pledge about the Coffs Bypass but they did commit to the same funding the Coalition had made for the Black Hill to Heatherbrae Upgrade and Bill also said he would deliver it earlier.  From that I was wondering if Bill was going to can the Coffs Bypass and send it all to Black Hill to Heatherbrae. 
 
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #191 on: May 20, 2019, 06:42:42 AM »
Like always, be very suspicious when a politians lips start moving. ;D
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #192 on: May 20, 2019, 08:34:52 AM »
refuse to invite the local member to a meeting

& that's definitely NOT the way to win friends, influence people & get your particular ideas through! >:D
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #193 on: May 20, 2019, 09:59:35 AM »
Well the new Federal Member sounds like he wants to get on with the job.  On a radio interview this morning saying he will be contacting the different Political stake holders and chasing up the RMS regarding the EIS.  Just a game at present of wait and see.
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #194 on: May 20, 2019, 11:01:55 PM »
Well the new Federal Member sounds like he wants to get on with the job.  On a radio interview this morning saying he will be contacting the different Political stake holders and chasing up the RMS regarding the EIS.  Just a game at present of wait and see.

If the funding has been promised, then it's just that...a promise...

If it was approved before, it will still be approved ....but to be approved, the money must have been budgeted for.

A upgrade for the centre of Wyong has been approved, but no money budgeted yet, so it could be another 10yrs !!
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #195 on: May 20, 2019, 11:15:00 PM »
If the funding has been promised, then it's just that...a promise...

If it was approved before, it will still be approved ....but to be approved, the money must have been budgeted for.

A upgrade for the centre of Wyong has been approved, but no money budgeted yet, so it could be another 10yrs !!

Apparently the funding is in the last budget, but the funding budgeted for is for the Bypass with Cuttings all done prior to the Nationals telling the RMS to do the Bypass with Tunnels.  Both State and Federal are saying the funding for Tunnels is there. 
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #196 on: May 21, 2019, 09:40:24 AM »
If the funding has been promised, then it's just that...a promise...

If it was approved before, it will still be approved ....but to be approved, the money must have been budgeted for.

A upgrade for the centre of Wyong has been approved, but no money budgeted yet, so it could be another 10yrs !!
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #197 on: May 21, 2019, 09:50:01 AM »
yep, this could become the oldest thread in forum history with no closure.

We could talk for years about politicians promises...!!   ;D
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #198 on: May 21, 2019, 10:01:12 AM »
Our newly elected Federal MP has hit the ground running, maybe a little too hard. 

A local Prime 7 tv  did a live tv interview with him regarding the Bypass and during the interview he got himself tongue tied on cuttings and tunnels.  In the Live Interview he said he preferred cuttings.  He issued an apology and correction shortly after. 

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/coffs-coast-conaghan-definitely-supports-tunnels-for-bypass-138123/?station=coffs&fbclid=IwAR1K9kE2hBfJvE4ZagTssuXsDFm8TN6qMtakbi0M4Iv8pv7SPjLGOky2WnY

"Cowper MP Pat Conaghan is adjusting to his new life as a politician quickly after an awkward slip up during a live television cross on Monday night.

When asked about tunnels or cuttings, Mr Conaghan said his preference was cuttings and when the EIS Comes back with tunnels, tunnels it will be.

A short time later, the newly elected local member released a statement to correct the mistake.

“Tonight while doing a live cross on Prime7 News I misspoke while answering a question on the Coffs Bypass. I want to clarify that I believe TUNNELS, not cuttings to be the best option”, the statement said.

Throughout the recent election campaign, Mr Conaghan has made it clear that he supported tunnels for the highly publicised project.
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Didn't send all the local nay sayers and dooms dayers into a spin.  Now they are even more convinced we are getting Cuttings. 
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #199 on: May 21, 2019, 11:28:37 AM »
Freudian slip?