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Title: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on February 26, 2019, 04:27:41 PM
Gday fellow swaggers ,

The debate on Holden verses Ford will continue , yes I know that the Holden is a rebadged car from the good old USof A but so now is the Ford , some say that the Ford is a Mustang but me thinks that is is more in looks of the Older 2010/15 Ford Mondeo with Mustang taillights .

The first race is this weekend , the Superloop Adelaide 500 .

They are showing this on free to air TV Ch 10 as well as Foxtel .

Below is the Ch 10 viewing times - Adelaide time
 

LIVE: Superloop Adelaide 500
2:30 pm to 7:30 pm
Action from Friday of the Superloop Adelaide 500.

LIVE: Superloop Adelaide 500
1:00 pm to 7:30 pm
Action from Saturday of the Superloop Adelaide 500.

LIVE: Superloop Adelaide 500
11:30 am to 6:00 pm
Action from Sunday of the Superloop Adelaide 500.

Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on February 26, 2019, 04:53:31 PM
Will be interesting with the new cars.  Head on the Ford looks okay but saw some profile pics and thought that looks less the average.  Supercars has definitely gone way from Holden and Ford, just wish there were more makes in the mix to give it something a bit more. 
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on February 26, 2019, 05:00:07 PM
Regardless of the Ford Holden thing, this is still the premiere Motorsport in Australia and I can't wait for the new season. New cars, driver changes, new rules, night racing again in Sydney, bring it on I say.
New manufacturers will come, I think it's headed the way of the British Touring Car program.

Torn this year, Lee has moved onto a new team and my old mob Irwin are back in the game!
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on February 26, 2019, 06:08:52 PM
They are trying out a night race at Perth this year as well .


Buckle up for three massive nights of Supercars racing action and witness a brand-new night racing format at the PIRTEK Perth SuperNight, 2 – 4 May 2019.

Western Australia’s only round of the Virgin Australia Supercars Championship is not to be missed, with flaming exhausts, pyrotechnics displays and shining headlights adding a spectacular new dimension to Supercars racing.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: gronk on February 26, 2019, 07:15:56 PM
The Holden is a rebadged Opel, straight out of Germany.

No Sydney night race this year.....but will be back next year.

Same drivers up the front, but with driver and car changes, the midfield might look a bit different....Simona to bring up the rear, followed closely by a few (used to be ) bigger name drivers !
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on February 26, 2019, 09:27:22 PM
Peugeot owned, Opal built, Chev powered Holden...

Expect to hear 'Linear Spring' a lot the first few rounds.  Might be a few that struggle with set up. 

I'm tipping Erebus to be the lead Holden team for the start of the season. They apparently never ran the now banned twin spring dampers and the #99 car has also been upgraded to the same go fast parts as Davy's car.

Scotty and DJRTP will hit the ground running.  Success breeds success.
Mustang to take first blood.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on February 27, 2019, 08:48:16 AM
Peugeot owned, Opal built, Chev powered Holden...

Expect to hear 'Linear Spring' a lot the first few rounds.  Might be a few that struggle with set up. 

I'm tipping Erebus to be the lead Holden team for the start of the season. They apparently never ran the now banned twin spring dampers and the #99 car has also been upgraded to the same go fast parts as Davy's car.

Scotty and DJRTP will hit the ground running.  Success breeds success.
Mustang to take first blood.

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I agree with this.

I feel he who gets his head around the one spring rules the best will put themselves in a good position championship wise. However the usual big wigs should rise to the top eventually.

Dave Reynolds will be right amongst it.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: doc evil on February 27, 2019, 09:13:00 AM
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New manufacturers will come, I think it's headed the way of the British Touring Car program.

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Tried that with Nissan, Mercedes and Volvo...…..massive fail.

Will never happen. As there now is no manufacturer in Aust, the mighty aussie bogan will loose interest and the sport will fade off into the sunset with all the dreams of what could have been (within 10 years is my call).
Today's car builders are not going to spend coin to facilitate such a small percentage of their market and build racecars here where European motorsport is massive and car sales market huge compared to ours. Australia doesn't stand a chance!!
Events like the 12 hour and possibly a return of the 24 hour will increase in popularity and fill the void the supercabs (can't even call them that anymore) leave.

I for one WAS an avid fan, only watched Bathurst last year, not sure I will this year. Sad to say...………….
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 27, 2019, 09:35:37 AM
To be fair, even though the supercars don't do much for me.

I think all forms of racing, have there ups and there downs.

Drag racing for sure, has seen numbers drop, then they spike again, a little bit more so in some of the pro categories.

If I had to pursue, what I think is the biggest fault in the taxis, it would be, the powers to be have made the whole thing TOO EQUAL.

Mandatory stops are fine, but they have to dump x litres before lap y, whist having a driver change no later the lap z.....  ???
As for the run to mummy, he did this, she said that.... races aren't won in the boardroom.... or at least, shouldn't be.

I guess, that's what I liked about drag racing.
"Run what ya brung"..... and hope you brung enough to do battle.

When you read some of the tweaks and mods way back when with the GTS's the GT's etc, it was everyone trying to get to number with a car and driver.
No head sets, no go easy and short shift, ya gunna run out of fuel....
The other thing that surprises me, is how an easy touch with another car, renders the steering broken quite often.
Stick an old HQ front end under 'em, they won't break so easy then.

In my half arsed humble opinion, i think the supercars have gone too far, to ever go back to what we would all love to see.

In my days running the blown car (what a hoot), the best instructions I ever got from the owner was....

"Unless its upside down or on fire, just stay in it." ;D

In other words, if its getting loose, steer the fukkin thing and run a number.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on February 27, 2019, 09:37:56 AM
Quote from: doc evil
Tried that with Nissan, Mercedes and Volvo...…..massive fail.

Will never happen. As there now is no manufacturer in Aust, the mighty aussie bogan will loose interest and the sport will fade off into the sunset with all the dreams of what could have been (within 10 years is my call).
Today's car builders are not going to spend coin to facilitate such a small percentage of their market and build racecars here where European motorsport is massive and car sales market huge compared to ours. Australia doesn't stand a chance!!
Events like the 12 hour and possibly a return of the 24 hour will increase in popularity and fill the void the supercabs (can't even call them that anymore) leave.

I for one WAS an avid fan, only watched Bathurst last year, not sure I will this year. Sad to say...………….

but.. its 'still the premiere Motorsport in Australia... ' LMAO
Have a look at what happened to Aussie super-bike racing in AU - it became too expensive for its own good that only serious teams really play anymore - and only a few of them... you had to qualify to get on the grid in the 70/80s!!!   In those days crowds were in their 1000's... Standing room only at Oran Park or Amaroo..

Teams used to have to qualify for car racing too... hows that going these days?

Superbikes in AU Now its pretty much family only and a few stick on fans - that's where this is headed... As said, AU isn't big enough to invest the money required to be viable.   Win on Sunday sell on Monday died long long ago.

Anyone know how much to run 2 cars these days for 1 yr (say last yr for example without having to start with completely new unused model cars)?
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on February 27, 2019, 10:11:43 AM
I dont think the sport will die out here.

Far from it in fact. Sure right at the moment the bodys on the current control chassis dont look right and do not make a lot of sense but the sport will ride that out will introduce a suitable chassis to fit the real bodys.

The Mustang and eventually Camaro will look great as race cars and they will gain popularity in Australia. 

In 10 years time Ill set a reminder to bring this old thread up and say I told you so ;D

Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on February 27, 2019, 10:20:47 AM
Quote from: DannyG
In 10 years time Ill set a reminder to bring this old thread up and say I told you so ;D
What as your watching (not hearing) electric cars buzz around? :( thats the "future"...

many of the dirtbike forums people are frothing to get their hands on elecetric dirtbikes.. couldnt think of anything worse myself.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on February 27, 2019, 10:28:14 AM
Motorsport already has an E formula. It is failing.

The only reason it has been 'propped' up so far is because they are bringing in ex formula 1 stars etc to drive them.

Id prefer to watch online racing live, the action and abuse is so much better ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on February 27, 2019, 10:29:22 AM
I dont think the sport will die out here.

Far from it in fact. Sure right at the moment the bodys on the current control chassis dont look right and do not make a lot of sense but the sport will ride that out will introduce a suitable chassis to fit the real bodys.

The Mustang and eventually Camaro will look great as race cars and they will gain popularity in Australia. 

In 10 years time Ill set a reminder to bring this old thread up and say I told you so ;D

I gotta agree with you , Supercars is shown in 96 countries worldwide, beamed into 235 million households, attended by 1.8 million fans and carries more than one million social media followers , I can't see it falling over in the near future .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on February 27, 2019, 10:34:27 AM
Quote from: DannyG
Motorsport already has an E formula. It is failing.
The only reason it has been 'propped' up so far is because they are bringing in ex formula 1 stars etc to drive them.

Id prefer to watch online racing live, the action and abuse is so much better ;D
It maybe propped up now, but no matter how much you me or anyone despises it, its the future, companies will see thats where the $ needs to go for car sales and investment and divert it... look at how much 24 Hours of Le Mans cars changed in last decade or so. :(

Same with bikes, they even have a E-Bike category at the Isle of Mann now :( look at this monstrosity!
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/racing/isle-of-man-tt/news/tt-2018-why-are-mugen-racing-electric-bikes-at-the-tt-and-what-does-the-future-hold (https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/racing/isle-of-man-tt/news/tt-2018-why-are-mugen-racing-electric-bikes-at-the-tt-and-what-does-the-future-hold)

Ebike mx champs too :(  https://www.ktm.com/au/e-ride/ (https://www.ktm.com/au/e-ride/)

Although 2 stroke MX\Enduro bikes have made a huge comeback in last 4yrs
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on February 27, 2019, 10:52:46 AM
but.. its 'still the premiere Motorsport in Australia... ' LMAO

Show me another Motorsport event in Australia which drags 250,000 people to an event like it will in Adelaide this weekend. Huge numbers flock to Bathurst every year, new campgrounds opened in 2018, same at a country meet at Winton, even in the Shitty weather.
Yep, it's not Holden v ford. The category is evolving and will continue to evolve. Ford motor companies involvement this year is the biggest it has been for a long time, the intro of the Mustang helps. Teams like Walkinshaw and Penske etc don't invest in Motorsport just for the fun of it, neither do any of the sponsors, it goes far deeper than just the racing.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: doc evil on February 27, 2019, 11:16:49 AM
Show me another Motorsport event in Australia which drags 250,000 people to an event like it will in Adelaide this weekend. Huge numbers flock to Bathurst every year, new campgrounds opened in 2018, same at a country meet at Winton, even in the Shitty weather.
Yep, it's not Holden v ford. The category is evolving and will continue to evolve. Ford motor companies involvement this year is the biggest it has been for a long time, the intro of the Mustang helps. Teams like Walkinshaw and Penske etc don't invest in Motorsport just for the fun of it, neither do any of the sponsors, it goes far deeper than just the racing.

Yep, Ford will support them like they did a few years ago where there was an oval hogsbreath badge...….

Why do the like combining figures, the only thing "propping" them up is the sale of Foxtel subscriptions...……no Foxtel for this little black duck!!

It will die like rallying is on it's death bed, particularly in Australia. Offroad racing, 4WD comps etc. are not far behind. It seems only the bigger events survive, and that is only because it is free to air...……….and they use those survey numbers to prop up their "numbers". 
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: GBC on February 27, 2019, 11:22:18 AM
isle of man TT zero (elec) bike technology are catching petrol bikes so quickly now (going 5mph faster every year), they are on track to own the lap record and beat superbikes outright in 2020 - we will see I suppose - a 10 mph average increase at that end of the wedge is pretty exponential. They are running 120 mph average laps now. the winning superbike lap last year was 133 mph and pretty unhinged.

In case anybody has been living under a rock, audi built an electric hill climber in 8 MONTHS and blew away the Pike's peak record - the footage is pretty special - they are going for the Nurburgring record now I believe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAJaGAMWjHM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAJaGAMWjHM)

E sport cars aren't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: cardinal28 on February 27, 2019, 12:05:06 PM
and the word is that the little 'aussie cars' are now experimenting with electric power.
Just doesn't seem the same without the high revving and noise of the bike engines.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Kangaron on February 27, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
no Foxtel for this little black duck!!



Nor me, I have Kayo, costs $25 a month.
I get all AFL, NRL,V8's F1's and all cricket in HD.
and so many more sports which are of no interest to me.
Also can watch Foxsports 501 to 505 live.

Less that $1.00 a day.
I cast it onto the big TV, happy days.

ATM am watching a reply of T20 Aust Vs India from the other night, in a small window while on MySwag.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: doc evil on February 27, 2019, 03:42:16 PM
Nor me, I have Kayo, costs $25 a month.
I get all AFL, NRL,V8's F1's and all cricket in HD.
and so many more sports which are of no interest to me.
Also can watch Foxsports 501 to 505 live.

Less that $1.00 a day.
I cast it onto the big TV, happy days.

ATM am watching a reply of T20 Aust Vs India from the other night, in a small window while on MySwag.

I'm not going to pay to watch something that WAS free.

I see channel 10 is now a subscription pay for selected free to air repeats and 9 and 7 are going that way soon apparently.

Print media is going the same way the supersnorers are headed...…..into extinction...…...
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on February 27, 2019, 03:59:13 PM
Nor me, I have Kayo, costs $25 a month.
I get all AFL, NRL,V8's F1's and all cricket in HD.
and so many more sports which are of no interest to me.
Also can watch Foxsports 501 to 505 live.

Less that $1.00 a day.
I cast it onto the big TV, happy days.

ATM am watching a reply of T20 Aust Vs India from the other night, in a small window while on MySwag.


I only heard of KAYO on the weekend , 2 days after renewing a cheaper deal to keep Foxtel , never mind I did get a $30 per month discount reducing on expense to $48 per month .

I drink and I smoke so an extra 1.60 per day ain't going to break the bank . But I can sit back and enjoy my motorsport .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on February 27, 2019, 04:10:56 PM
Free to air tv is headed into extinction, for any live sport.  Foxtel too, if they don't watch out.

Paid subscription streaming is the future, like it or not.
The next round of media rights for ALL sports is going to become very different to what we have now.
The likes of Amazon, Netflix, etc have the money nowadays.

People have been predicting the demise of 5 litre Supercars for 26 years....
Until someone comes up with and implements something better, I'm happy to keep watching.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Kangaron on February 27, 2019, 05:21:03 PM
Kayo just announced a promotion.
One Months access for $5.00.
Give it a try and ditch foxtel.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on February 27, 2019, 06:30:44 PM
Quote from: doc evil
I see channel 10 is now a subscription pay for selected free to air repeats
say what?
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Kangaron on February 27, 2019, 06:41:06 PM
say what?

Who cares, nothing worth watching on FTA
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Mallory Black on February 27, 2019, 06:55:10 PM
I would have thought that having a Mustang in the current Supercar series was a bit of a waste.
I did read that Ford said that they could only commit to one racing category in Australia and that was V8SC
However blind Freddy could have seen that it would not look anything like a Mustang once it got wrapped around the control chassis
Ford could have developed a Mondeo Supercar which would have been more appropriate fit wise, I daresay the body shape would also lend itself more favourably for aero.
Ford should have considered using V8SC to promote the the whole Ford brand as a supporter of motorsport, now they have locked in a model that doesn't really need help to sell at the expense of the lineup because the days of having a road registerable mass produced car that is close to what's being raced are long gone.


Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Rumpig on February 27, 2019, 07:21:45 PM
Free to air tv is headed into extinction, for any live sport.  Foxtel too, if they don't watch out.

Paid subscription streaming is the future, like it or not.
The next round of media rights for ALL sports is going to become very different to what we have now.
The likes of Amazon, Netflix, etc have the money nowadays.

People have been predicting the demise of 5 litre Supercars for 26 years....
Until someone comes up with and implements something better, I'm happy to keep watching.

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i'm happy to not bother watching sport anymore, versus being forced to pay for it...i used to watch the V8's all the time, now I rarely if ever watch it (Bathurst sort of, but other races on free to air rarely)....i used to watch NRL all the time, last year I watched very little of it and didn't watch a single SOO match....i used to watch Australian cricket matches all the time, now I rarely watch them either.....won't bother me if it's the way of the future the way my sports viewing habits have gone.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: rockrat on February 27, 2019, 07:25:59 PM
What’s with all the negativity?

Some people like it, some don’t. Some people happily fork out for Pay Tv, some don’t.

Each to their own I say.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on February 27, 2019, 08:01:58 PM
i'm happy to not bother watching sport anymore, versus being forced to pay for it...i used to watch the V8's all the time, now I rarely if ever watch it (Bathurst sort of, but other races on free to air rarely)....i used to watch NRL all the time, last year I watched very little of it and didn't watch a single SOO match....i used to watch Australian cricket matches all the time, now I rarely watch them either.....won't bother me if it's the way of the future the way my sports viewing habits have gone.

I have listed up the Ch 10 free to air viewing times in my first post , if you feel that you may want to watch the race .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Rumpig on February 27, 2019, 08:11:35 PM
I have listed up the Ch 10 free to air viewing times in my first post , if you feel that you may want to watch the race .
I'll likely be building a carport for our caravan in the backyard this weekend, so doubt I'll watch it...if I wasn't building the carport then I'd be away camping with mates that are going away

What’s with all the negativity?

Some people like it, some don’t. Some people happily fork out for Pay Tv, some don’t.

Each to their own I say.
just stating how it is for me these days, take it how you like
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: rockrat on February 27, 2019, 08:16:39 PM
I'll likely be building a carport for our caravan in the backyard this weekend, so doubt I'll watch it...if I wasn't building the carport then I'd be away camping with mates that are going away
just stating how it is for me these days, take it how you like
Wasn’t specifically directed at you Rumpig, just a general comment.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on February 27, 2019, 08:34:18 PM
Each to their own. I remember the dark old days of FTA touring cars.  Waiting until 10pm Sunday night to see a 1 hour replay on channel 7.
Then when it became live, every man and his dog sooked up over the amount of ads every ten minutes.

There's more AFL and NRL games shown live on FTA TV, than pre Foxtel deals.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Redback on February 28, 2019, 06:49:48 AM
I might watch it for the novelty of the new Mustang, but that will be it as I'd rather watch Motorcycle racing as it's a bit more thrilling than watching single file racing.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on February 28, 2019, 07:33:57 AM
Quote from: Redback
... as I'd rather watch Motorcycle racing as it's a bit more thrilling than watching single file racing.
Thats the biggest failing with car racing - the real lack of cut and thrust passing - its just follow the leader... Look at Gold Coast race, the 'highlights' on the news that try and make it exciting fail miserably! It almost comes down to someone dropping their rattle gun in the pits to change positions.
example (for car racing people, this is called close racing with passing  ;D)
https://twitter.com/motogp/status/1057693880928387072?lang=en
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: doc evil on February 28, 2019, 08:54:44 AM
Thats the biggest failing with car racing - the real lack of cut and thrust passing - its just follow the leader... Look at Gold Coast race, the 'highlights' on the news that try and make it exciting fail miserably! It almost comes down to someone dropping their rattle gun in the pits to change positions.
example (for car racing people, this is called close racing with passing  ;D)
https://twitter.com/motogp/status/1057693880928387072?lang=en

Obviously never watched a formula ford or formula V (mosquito) at a state round...………...you can throw a tea towel over the front 10 cars and all 10 would lead at some point in their 5 laps.

If you want to see real cut throat racing, go to a state round...…….sports sedans thru to pedal cars, it's all there and 30 to 40 races in a weekend, way better value that the supersnorers………...
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on February 28, 2019, 09:23:59 AM
Every year we get people with the view that supercars are sh!t and going to slowly die and theres no over taking etc etc which is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion of course.

But I am one of those that does pay for Fox so I can see the races and I enjoy the racing and find a lot of the races to have plenty of action. So bring it on this weekend, cant wait.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on February 28, 2019, 09:32:43 AM
Quote from: doc evil
Obviously never watched a formula ford or formula V (mosquito) at a state round...………...you can throw a tea towel over the front 10 cars and all 10 would lead at some point in their 5 laps.

If you want to see real cut throat racing, go to a state round...…….sports sedans thru to pedal cars, it's all there and 30 to 40 races in a weekend, way better value that the supersnorers

But that neither are the so called "premier" class of racing in Aussie are they that gets all the $$ for some reason!

formula vee slipstreaming and cornering has always been something awesome to watch just a shame the are so fragile when they tap each others wheels damaging steering etc. i reckon they would be pretty $$$ to keep going for a season with spares you'd need to have with you
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on February 28, 2019, 09:42:35 AM
Every year we get people with the view that supercars are sh!t and going to slowly die and theres no over taking etc etc which is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion of course.

But I am one of those that does pay for Fox so I can see the races and I enjoy the racing and find a lot of the races to have plenty of action. So bring it on this weekend, cant wait.

Me too .  ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on February 28, 2019, 10:26:11 AM
Me too .  ;D
Me three

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Redback on February 28, 2019, 10:30:43 AM
Awesome race that Bird.

Supercars needs more manufacturers other than Ford, Holden(soon to be Opel) and Nissan, British touring cars is much better racing I reckon.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on February 28, 2019, 10:39:10 AM
Awesome race that Bird.

Supercars needs more manufacturers other than Ford, Holden(soon to be Opel) and Nissan, British touring cars is much better racing I reckon.
Nissan are gone at the end of the season too, aren't they

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on February 28, 2019, 10:40:23 AM
Quote from: Redback
Awesome race that Bird.
even though they are only 250s, 20 laps of that is  8) 8) 8)  less than a second covering the first 14 riders and less than a tenth splitting the top five

I reckon if anyone in supertaxi's passed another car they'd get black flagged  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: wilson79 on February 28, 2019, 11:32:21 AM
Me three

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Me 4!!!

although I pissed foxtel off as they want extra $ for HD, in todays world HD should be standard.., I went to Kayo and so far so good all sports in HD, I was watching darts the other day and found the sport of Chess Boxing..
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on February 28, 2019, 11:40:38 AM
Quote from: wilson79
and found the sport of Chess Boxing..
:cup: :cup:
Highlights of the World Chess Boxing Championships from Germany, July 2008.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK5TQSKmS3o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK5TQSKmS3o)
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Spada on February 28, 2019, 11:57:40 AM
Me three

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Me 4  ;D

Foxtel HD, no adverts, 82" tv, cold beer, BBQ ribs...................and yes bird, I also prefer the bike racing, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to enjoy the V8's.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on February 28, 2019, 12:34:50 PM
Foxtel coverage has started, Dunlop boys out for practice. Talking with Ash Walsh, they asked what advice did he give the young pommie lass who is debuting in the skies today. He replied try Tim Tams and Vegemite, they're awesome!  :D :cup:

Turns seven and eight already claimed victims, Jordan Boyce and Ash Walsh, ouch!
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on February 28, 2019, 01:06:17 PM
Me 4  ;D

Foxtel HD, no adverts, 82" tv, cold beer, BBQ ribs...................and yes bird, I also prefer the bike racing, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to enjoy the V8's.



 :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Robbo on February 28, 2019, 01:20:47 PM


 :cup: :cup:
Me 5

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: archer63 on February 28, 2019, 01:50:50 PM
And me  :cheers:
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Spada on February 28, 2019, 04:42:03 PM
Cracker of a race in the ausiecars today. 10 laps of dodgem car spin'm-round action. Cars punted into tyre barriers at multiple corners, 2 got beached on gravel in the chicane, about 2 dozed wild passing moves (most of which led to the above mentioned carnage).......................................and not a pace car to be seen  ;D

I recon even Bird would have enjoyed it  >:D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on February 28, 2019, 04:53:02 PM
Cracker of a race in the ausiecars today. 10 laps of dodgem car spin'm-round action. Cars punted into tyre barriers at multiple corners, 2 got beached on gravel in the chicane, about 2 dozed wild passing moves (most of which led to the above mentioned carnage).......................................and not a pace car to be seen  ;D

I recon even Bird would have enjoyed it  >:D

Nah. Don't think so!
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on February 28, 2019, 06:09:04 PM


I'm tipping Erebus to be the lead Holden team for the start of the season. They apparently never ran the now banned twin spring dampers and the #99 car has also been upgraded to the same go fast parts as Davy's car.


ADP finally gets equal equipment and finishes first practice session in P1.

Winterbottom the fastest 888 car...

Both GRM cars in the bottom 5 and first car into the wall.



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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 01, 2019, 05:36:01 PM
Is that Kate Peck the biggest dipstick in the pits.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: simmo_33 on March 01, 2019, 11:31:12 PM
Is that Kate Peck the biggest dipstick in the pits.

One of the reasons I bit the bullet and went to Kayo instead of FTA. At least on Kayo you get to see all the support categories, without all the channel 10 dribble.
Do they still have those awful channel 10 cross promotional "celebrity" interviews?
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on March 02, 2019, 11:32:20 AM
Biiiiiigggggg shunt Macauley Jones, gunna be a stiff and sore boy tonight. Testament to the build of the cars and the track design that he walked away major injury free.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on March 02, 2019, 12:32:43 PM
Biiiiiigggggg shunt Macauley Jones, gunna be a stiff and sore boy tonight. Testament to the build of the cars and the track design that he walked away major injury free.

Not wrong, either real time or slow mo still a big hit. 
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on March 02, 2019, 02:21:25 PM
'Watched' to top ten shoot out on the Live Timing on Supercars.com and they are still playing catch up on FTA TV.  Generally they might have been at worse a minute late. 
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pete79 on March 02, 2019, 02:26:04 PM
Caught a few minutes of the dual cab utes this afternoon. Thought I was watching a live CCTV feed from my local bunnings carpark.
Surly we’re not supposed to take that stuff seriously.. ??

At least they’ve got the physics right with the Hilux taking a nap on the corner. Exactly the way Hiluxs have been doing it since the 80s.... ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on March 03, 2019, 08:09:48 AM
The Superutes are an absolute joke.  Cams had the Stadium Trucks banned on the grounds of safety.  Hopefully Cams apply the same.



Well done Scotty and DJRTP.  Picked right up where they left last year.

The 888 cars clearly have a handling issue, they looked very untidy compared to last year when they were on rails.  Not happy on the new single springs?
Still an impressive 2-3 result.

Then the usual suspects come out in force, already squealing parity after one race.


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: BC66 on March 03, 2019, 08:20:45 AM
Dick Johnson was on the radio during the week.
He said the new Mustang is in fact last years Falcon with a new body on it.
Because it’s now a controlled sport all the cars are the same except for the engine and personal preference to your suspension settings.
They all use the same chassis, gearbox suspension and diffs. Simply bolt what ever body panels to suit your team.
It’s far from the old days when they had to be almost the same as a car you could buy from the dealer.


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on March 03, 2019, 11:30:44 AM



It’s far from the old days


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 03, 2019, 04:40:12 PM
Rick Kelly decided to be a smart arse..... that didn't end well for him.

Him and Tander could be from the same genes.

Yeah, I know, i don't like the supercars.... but it was that or my kitchen rules.

Hey, doesn't Colin Bond have a decent set of man boobs these days.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on March 03, 2019, 05:29:42 PM
Great day, a whole broadcast without one cross to Roland" I complain" Dane.

Well done Scotty and DJR.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on March 03, 2019, 06:52:32 PM
Rick Kelly decided to be a smart arse..... that didn't end well for him.

Him and Tander could be from the same genes.

Yeah, I know, i don't like the supercars.... but it was that or my kitchen rules.

Hey, doesn't Colin Bond have a decent set of man boobs these days.
Nah, Rick learnt all his smart arse attitudes from his big brother.

How come all the cars that left the transit lane and drove thru the working lane to get around Chaz and Rick didnt get penalised

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on March 03, 2019, 06:57:51 PM
Not sure why but it's time to close the pit lane under safety car conditions.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Kangaron on March 03, 2019, 07:31:47 PM
Not sure why but it's time to close the pit lane under safety car conditions.

I've been saying that for years, and scrap forced fuel stops, just let them race.
I was of the opinion that you had to keep 2 wheels on the race track at all time, if that was enforced
every car would have to be penalised or disqualified.
And debri sometimes causes a safety car, but mirrors don't count?
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on March 03, 2019, 07:49:45 PM


How come all the cars that left the transit lane and drove thru the working lane to get around Chaz and Rick didnt get penalised

Hazelwood had the decency to stop and let the 888 pit crew get out of harm's way.  Courtney proceeded to ram him through.

Hopefully the stewards are reviewing the footage tonight.

As for Rick. He needs to be flogged with a bike chain.  Yes it was an unsafe release, but to bulldoze him and then follow up with  a pitlane brake test a lap later...

888 have work to do.  Out qualified and out raced by 2 888 customer cars and both are ZB virgins....



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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on March 03, 2019, 08:14:40 PM



Hazelwood had the decency to stop and let the 888 pit crew get out of harm's way.  Courtney proceeded to ram him through.

Hopefully the stewards are reviewing the footage tonight.

As for Rick. He needs to be flogged with a bike chain.  Yes it was an unsafe release, but to bulldoze him and then follow up with  a pitlane brake test a lap later...

888 have work to do.  Out qualified and out raced by 2 888 customer cars and both are ZB virgins....



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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Mace on March 03, 2019, 08:22:17 PM



As for Rick. He needs to be flogged with a bike chain.  Yes it was an unsafe release, but to bulldoze him and then follow up with  a pitlane brake test a lap later...




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  Rick may be a prick, but he  did say he was blindsided by his low driving position, and didnt see chaz. you need to have foxtel to hear that...


if you watch the replay from the nissan he was adjusting belts and other settings at the time.

chaz and his team were the gooses here.  He nailed him from the rear on pit lane re-entry. Wanker.

Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on March 03, 2019, 08:30:59 PM
  Rick may be a prick, but he  did say he was blindsided by his low driving position, and didnt see chaz. you need to have foxtel to hear that...


if you watch the replay from his car he was adjusting belts and other settings at the time.

chaz and his team were the gooses here.
Yes he would have been blindsided, but after the first contact he had 3 choices.

A. Brake.
B. Back off the throttle.
C. Keep his foot buried into the throttle.

It's obvious which one he chose.



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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: GeoffA on March 03, 2019, 08:33:06 PM
Holdsworth was coming into the pit in his green/white Mustang immediately prior to Mostert's release.
I think Mostert's controller may have missed RK's green/white Nissan tucked in behind him.

My 2c....
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Mace on March 03, 2019, 08:34:34 PM
Dick Johnson was on the radio during the week.
He said the new Mustang is in fact last years Falcon with a new body on it.

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it is a control chassis and frame you know..?  Same one as for the Opels and nissan, why the Moostangs look so weird.
 
I watched a lot of the TA2 racing online from Sydney today, with real Mustangs and Dodge  Challengers.  Great stuff.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Mace on March 03, 2019, 08:36:47 PM
Yes he would have been blindsided, but after the first contact he had 3 choices.

A. Brake.
B. Back off the throttle.
C. Keep his foot buried into the throttle.

It's obvious which one he chose.



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youre not listening or didnt watch...

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: BC66 on March 03, 2019, 08:38:28 PM
it is a control chassis and frame you know..?  Same one as for the Opels and nissan, why the Moostangs look so weird.
 
I watched a lot of the TA2 racing online from Sydney today, with real Mustangs and Dodge  Challengers.  Great stuff.

 :cheers:
I do know it’s a controlled class. I used to sponsor DJR and Rick Kelly Racing. I was just repeating what Dick had said in the radio during the week about how he reused last years car with a new body for this years series


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on March 03, 2019, 08:42:32 PM
youre not listening or didnt watch...

 :cheers:
Nup.  Watched it all on Foxtel.  I'm not buying Ricks excuses.  Yes Tickfords car controller is to blame for the incident.  Rick chose to make the incident even worse.

Cheers.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Mace on March 03, 2019, 08:44:02 PM
youre not listening or didnt watch...

 :cheers:

and to add, what happened occurred within 5m of space. replays show rick adjusting his belts then looking down to adjust his sway bays. then crunch..
not his error..



Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Mace on March 03, 2019, 08:49:52 PM
Nup.  Watched it all on Foxtel.  I'm not buying Ricks excuses.  Yes Tickfords car controller is to blame for the incident.  Rick chose to make the incident even worse.

Cheers.

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yeah he has history, but i think on this occasion telemetry will prove him in the clear. 

The fords are certainly benefiting in being able to add more rear wing downforce and not sacrificing top end speed. Great season opener. 

 :cheers: 
Title: Supercars 2019
Post by: BC66 on March 03, 2019, 08:52:16 PM
We had rick at a trade night and had some race simulators   
We had guys challenge rick to a race and he raced dirty. He would smash anyone near him off the track. Talk about ultra competitive


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Mace on March 03, 2019, 08:59:58 PM
I do know it’s a controlled class. I used to sponsor DJR and Rick Kelly Racing.


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Good stuff, it takes deep pockets to sponsor one of them no matter how big the involvement.  All i was able to do when in business was sponsor a couple of speedway cars with free fuel to get to their events. They though we were the ducks nuts..  Its all relative, $50 a meet was big $$ for them..

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Kangaron on March 03, 2019, 10:19:28 PM
replays show rick adjusting his belts then looking down to adjust his sway bays. then crunch..


Not allowed, belts must be fastened before release.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: gronk on March 03, 2019, 10:29:05 PM
 

The fords are certainly benefiting in being able to add more rear wing downforce and not sacrificing top end speed. Great season opener. 

 :cheers:

If you mean they can adjust the angle of the rear wing, the others can also. The aero is supposed to be identical across all cars...according to the parity testing they did.
But the Fords certainly like the street circuit....we'll see how they go at a race track.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 04, 2019, 03:43:02 AM
Totally unsafe release..... that was the beginning.

When you drive down pit lane, you're not meant to be adjusting seat belts. (plenty do)

You're supposed to look where you're going.

I have no doubt, Rick the dick, didn't see the other car until impact.

Now, to try and push his point home, he just kept it moving, hoping to look like the "OH poor me, they crashed into me... penalty.. penalty.
Except, it backfired on him, because he's a tool.

Its like the guy in the traffic that blatantly cuts you off and when you toot the horn, the idiot in the wrong brake checks you to show you he's the boss and just accept, i'll do what I want, so deal with it.
 
Pretty much, exactly what Kelly did driving down pit lane brake checking Mostert.

I'll give Rick this much though, it was a good attempt to get the Mostert to hit him when Kelly turned into the pit itself.
The old.... i'll make it look like i'm being careful and be a prick at the same time.

When blondie interviewed dopey, he was looking anywhere but at her and was avoiding the correct answer.

I bet if that was a pedestrian(cameraman, pit crew member) he hit, he would've found the brake pedal way quicker.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on March 04, 2019, 06:07:22 AM
If you mean they can adjust the angle of the rear wing, the others can also. The aero is supposed to be identical across all cars...according to the parity testing they did.
But the Fords certainly like the street circuit....we'll see how they go at a race track.
No I think Mace is talking about the rear end shape of the car and lower surface of the wing, it is all fixed but it looks like they have got the downforce pretty right in that area because they are carrying very little angle on the wing itself. Whether that  has a negative effect on the faster circuits will play out in the future. God it is  an ugly looking car tho, they have lost the complete shape of the Mustang, if it wasn't for the tail lights it could easily be mistaken for a rice burner

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: edz on March 04, 2019, 06:58:36 AM
If they want to run a Bastardised looking versions of a production car, they should just open the field  right up and become a full on Sports Sedan Series, Where almost anything goes .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on March 04, 2019, 07:36:46 AM
All Chaz's fault.  Yes Rick could have stopped earlier as could have Chaz after the initial contact tried to get out of the lane instead of keep coming over and hitting Rick again.  Watching the replay on the Supercars website  https://www.supercars.com/videos/championship/chaos-breaks-out-in-pitlane-under-safety-car/ (https://www.supercars.com/videos/championship/chaos-breaks-out-in-pitlane-under-safety-car/) right at the very end when they play the shot from behind, Rick has moved left trying to miss Chaz, Chaz has hit him when trying to enter the lane, Rick has moved left  again and again Chaz has continued to move left driving Rick into the wall and causing the final contact.  They are there to race but Chaz was in the wrong simple as that.  In real time it all happens pretty quick.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on March 04, 2019, 09:38:48 AM
Geez for a series that is slowly dying and boring it sure creates a good discussion ;)

I loved Roland Dane suggesting the Fords have an unfair advantage and then Skaifey was quick to say he has a very short memory as it was the Ford camp saying the exact same thing this time last year........
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: doc evil on March 04, 2019, 09:53:40 AM
No I think Mace is talking about the rear end shape of the car and lower surface of the wing, it is all fixed but it looks like they have got the downforce pretty right in that area because they are carrying very little angle on the wing itself. Whether that  has a negative effect on the faster circuits will play out in the future. God it is  an ugly looking car tho, they have lost the complete shape of the Mustang, if it wasn't for the tail lights it could easily be mistaken for a rice burner

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They have had to stretch the roof to fit over the controlled chassis and cage. the doors are almost a foot longer...…...what makes it less noticeable is the name, number and sponsor stickers at the rear of the door not on the rear door like the sedans.

A quick google, Mustang wheelbase 2720mm a V8 supersnorer 2915 ……...almost 200mm difference………...
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on March 04, 2019, 10:06:10 AM


Geez for a series that is slowly dying and boring it sure creates a good discussion ;)

I loved Roland Dane suggesting the Fords have an unfair advantage and then Skaifey was quick to say he has a very short memory as it was the Ford camp saying the exact same thing this time last year........

and the long term and current 888 employee next to Mr Skaife was adamant 888 are struggling big time with the linear springs.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on March 04, 2019, 10:12:56 AM

and the long term and current 888 employee next to Mr Skaife was adamant 888 are struggling big time with the linear springs.

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Yep and I agree. I know FPR in the USA have put a lot of work into the aero on the Mustang but the homologation back here in Australia makes sure there are no real advantages in that area. It just means different shaped cars achieve different dynamics but it is minimal.

The real difference in the teams is the things they can control, like the suspension. We are only talking fractions of seconds that makes a difference.

It is well spoken about that 888 had a very good handle on the very complicated and many variables a twin spring can offer, so it stands to good reason that they may have had the most to lose going back to one spring.

I am a Ford fan and I hope we win everything but I wouldnt be writing 888 or other Holdens off yet based on one weekend.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on March 04, 2019, 10:23:58 AM
888 were the first to use twin springs over 10 years ago.  They've got 12 months of ZB twin spring data and majority of the other Holden teams use 888 uprights and suspension.  Big learning curve.

The Mustang was developed with a linear spring in mind and knows nothing else.

888 managed two seconds and a third in an average car by their standards.  I don't think they've ever had 2 bad rounds in a row.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on March 04, 2019, 11:50:38 AM
They have had to stretch the roof to fit over the controlled chassis and cage. the doors are almost a foot longer...…...what makes it less noticeable is the name, number and sponsor stickers at the rear of the door not on the rear door like the sedans.

A quick google, Mustang wheelbase 2720mm a V8 supersnorer 2915 ……...almost 200mm difference………...
Yeah, understand that, but what supercars shouldn't be doing is running a standard stang as a safety car, it just shows how awful the race car really looks, George Jetson would have been proud of it

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on March 06, 2019, 10:40:23 AM
So the boring, no overtaking, dying a slow death Supercars is still breaking records..........  >:D

https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/record-tv-and-digital-numbers-for-adelaide/ (https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/record-tv-and-digital-numbers-for-adelaide/)

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The 2019 Virgin Australia Supercars Championship got underway with bumper TV, attendance and digital numbers at the Superloop Adelaide 500.

Ford's new Mustang Supercar was the headline act, and it did not disappoint, with defending champion Scott McLaughlin taking his to a pair of victories.

That garnered plenty of attention on Fox Sports and Network 10, with the combined average viewership up 9.3% from the 2018 event, and 12.1% on peak audience.

Fox Sports recorded its highest-ever Adelaide ratings, with significant increases on each day of its broadcast.

That includes a 20% rise for Sunday's race, for which attendance at the street circuit was a 90,000 sellout.

Meanwhile, visits to Supercars.com over the event were up 28% and page views up 21% compared to 2018.

There was similar growth with the Supercars app, which had 36% more opens and 29% more screen views than for the same event a year ago.

The Supercars Facebook page also passed 900,000 likes during Sunday's race.

Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on March 06, 2019, 10:44:46 AM
So the boring, no overtaking, dying a slow death Supercars is still breaking records..........  >:D

https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/record-tv-and-digital-numbers-for-adelaide/ (https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/record-tv-and-digital-numbers-for-adelaide/)
You believe marketing spin? LMAO!
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on March 06, 2019, 10:50:11 AM
You believe marketing spin? LMAO!

They dont like to let on true crowd numbers as a rule (wouldnt want the tax man knowing the real figures) but announcing sell out crowds and reading the angry punters on bookface being turned away at the gates due to capacity being met makes me think they are being somewhat honest in this instance.....

You negative nancies should actually sit and watch a race weekend, you might be surprised at the entertainment value ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Marcus73 on March 06, 2019, 11:04:31 AM
They dont like to let on true crowd numbers as a rule (wouldnt want the tax man knowing the real figures) but announcing sell out crowds and reading the angry punters on bookface being turned away at the gates due to capacity being met makes me think they are being somewhat honest in this instance.....

You negative nancies should actually sit and watch a race weekend, you might be surprised at the entertainment value ;D

Adelaide is much more than just a motor race, it’s a complete package for everyone.
I’d suggest you get out of your grumpy pants and stop being a ....


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on March 06, 2019, 11:09:14 AM
Adelaide is much more than just a motor race, it’s a complete package for everyone.
I’d suggest you get out of your grumpy pants and stop being a ....


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Rumpig on March 06, 2019, 12:11:20 PM
You negative nancies should actually sit and watch a race weekend, you might be surprised at the entertainment value ;D
i walked upstairs on Saturday to have lunch whilst doing my carport, thought i’ll flick the tv on and watch the V8’s whilst I eat...no such luck, was inbetween races and Dave Hughes was being interviewed instead and promoting his channel 10 tv show
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on March 07, 2019, 08:37:50 AM
i walked upstairs on Saturday to have lunch whilst doing my carport, thought i’ll flick the tv on and watch the V8’s whilst I eat...no such luck, was inbetween races and Dave Hughes was being interviewed instead and promoting his channel 10 tv show

Bugger for you, although I have no idea what your on about, I watch Fox ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: BBull on March 07, 2019, 10:18:38 AM
The potential for someone to get hit and killed here was high. Supercars really need to look at the double stacking rule and not let it happen.
Each car should have its own pit. They talk about driver safety all the time, but the potential for a pit crew member, marshal or even a media person getting is very high.
The driver wouldn't even know if he backed over someone.

Pit lane safety need a full revamp
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on March 07, 2019, 11:11:56 AM
The potential for someone to get hit and killed here was high. Supercars really need to look at the double stacking rule and not let it happen.
Each car should have its own pit. They talk about driver safety all the time, but the potential for a pit crew member, marshal or even a media person getting is very high.
The driver wouldn't even know if he backed over someone.

Pit lane safety need a full revamp


The supercars are trying to reduce team cost , therefore 1 pit per car will never happen .

For starters there can only be X amount of pits in/on the pit straight , by assigning a pit per car rule most if not all tracks would not be able to house all 24 cars/pits .

I agree that is was an unsafe set of events that transpired on Sundays race , stewards should take a look at what went on and heavily fine teams and drivers that squeezed past the Kelly/Mostert road block and the 888 pit while Jamie Whincup was still getting serviced .

All of these cars/drivers should have waited until Jamie Whincup  and Fabian Coulthard had cleared their pit boom area leaving a clear pathway for cars to drive through .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on March 07, 2019, 11:17:05 AM

The supercars are trying to reduce team cost , therefore 1 pit per car will never happen .

For starters there can only be X amount of pits in/on the pit straight , by assigning a pit per car rule most if not all tracks would not be able to house all 24 cars/pits .

I agree that is was an unsafe set of events that transpired on Sundays race , stewards should take a look at what went on and heavily fine teams and drivers that squeezed past the Kelly/Mostert road block and the 888 pit while Jamie Whincup was still getting serviced .

All of these cars/drivers should have waited until Jamie Whincup  and Fabian Coulthard had cleared their pit boom area leaving a clear pathway for cars to drive through .

I agree, I was waiting for penalties to be handed out for those that squeezed past it.

There is always more that we can do but motorsport is dangerous, thats a part of the appeal. No one wants to see people get hurt but when things like this happen it adds to the spectaticle.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on March 07, 2019, 11:49:12 AM
The potential for someone to get hit and killed here was high. Supercars really need to look at the double stacking rule and not let it happen.
Each car should have its own pit. They talk about driver safety all the time, but the potential for a pit crew member, marshal or even a media person getting is very high.
The driver wouldn't even know if he backed over someone.

Pit lane safety need a full revamp
Reverse gear is not allowed to be engaged in any part of the pits or pitlane and if it is then there should be a severe consequence.  All those drivers that come past Chaz and Rick the dick should have stopped and waited for the accident to be cleared, transiting in the service lane is also against the rules for crew safety, it is up to Supercars to get off their bums and fine the team's.


Sorry,  you are right in your comment on double stacking,  the angle Coultard stopped in his bay actually started that whole debacle , Chaz's crew had to pull him back to get around the 12 car, obviously the car controller was more worried about that than to ensure Chad was safe to go

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on March 07, 2019, 12:00:03 PM
I'm not sure but I think although they moved from the fast lane into the pit box area this is still covered as part of the track limits as defined by the yellow lines which define pit lane and the garage boundaries.
To prevent double stacks simplest solution is to close pit lane under safety car conditions.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on March 07, 2019, 12:13:30 PM

To prevent double stacks simplest solution is to close pit lane under safety car conditions.

There has been talk of it for a while, they are trialling it at PI next month.

https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/supercars-to-trial-safety-car-pitlane-closure/ (https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/supercars-to-trial-safety-car-pitlane-closure/)
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 07, 2019, 12:14:35 PM
Yep, make 'em pit under race conditions only.

No double stacking allowed, pit separately.

Even on the little bit I watched on late Sunday, the commentators knew how long the pit stop would be due to the amount of fuel required.  ???
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: BBull on March 07, 2019, 12:42:30 PM
Not sure why these days there needs to be a pace car anyway.
Surly this day and age race control can press a button that reduces all cars back to the same speed and that way there is no advantage to the rear cars around the pace car.
Once the obstetrical is clear on the track send a message to the drivers to get ready to go to full race mode.
Then it is back on, all track positions maintained and gap to car in front maintained.
Pretty simple really.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: doc evil on March 07, 2019, 02:22:17 PM
Not sure why these days there needs to be a pace car anyway.
Surly this day and age race control can press a button that reduces all cars back to the same speed and that way there is no advantage to the rear cars around the pace car.
Once the obstetrical is clear on the track send a message to the drivers to get ready to go to full race mode.
Then it is back on, all track positions maintained and gap to car in front maintained.
Pretty simple really.

Like they tried lights instead of flags...…………….half a lap later...………….and with people trackside!!! Ever noticed that the pace car slows right down when people are working trackside???
 Was a "flaggie" for over 10 years...…….
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: BBull on March 07, 2019, 03:50:05 PM
Like they tried lights instead of flags...…………….half a lap later...………….and with people trackside!!! Ever noticed that the pace car slows right down when people are working trackside???
 Was a "flaggie" for over 10 years...…….
No i mean a system like the pit lane limiter. Takes throttle control away from the  drivers control and puts it back to race controls hands.
With all the computers and electronics these days it wouldn't be to hard
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on March 07, 2019, 04:33:45 PM
https://autoaction.com.au/2019/03/07/mustang-parity-row-looming?fbclid=IwAR3Zh8myrgDy_9FtgmJ9sV2XLT4PRcVugYn-bJI0aO2OQnN-hEDHRvsZB1g

centre of gravity?
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on March 07, 2019, 05:51:40 PM
No i mean a system like the pit lane limiter. Takes throttle control away from the  drivers control and puts it back to race controls hands.
With all the computers and electronics these days it wouldn't be to hard
Problem with that is if a car is say approaching  a corner at 250kph and needs the acceleration to get thru the corner and the race director hits the button limiting him to say 80kph, ooh that could get ugly

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on March 07, 2019, 06:06:13 PM
Problem with that is if a car is say approaching  a corner at 250kph and needs the acceleration to get thru the corner and the race director hits the button limiting him to say 80kph, ooh that could get ugly

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Isn't virtual safety car in F1 driver induced?  They have to slow the cars to a minimum sector time. I agree it could get hairy if the race director controlled it.

I don't really want to see pitlane closed during a safety car.  It can destroy a race for anyone who hasn't pitted, but it also creates a big problem for marshal safety.
As soon as the yellows come out, every driver does a qualifying lap to get to the pits.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Spada on March 07, 2019, 06:57:24 PM
To prevent double stacks simplest solution is to close pit lane under safety car conditions.

whoops, replied before I saw Dannygs comment.

Lot of people throwing stones at Rick Kelly over the pit incident (including me at first), but the incar telemetry shows that at the point of contack he is completey off the throttle and has a good deal of brake on. Seems it was momentum pushing the Tickford car -https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/how-hawk-eye-works-in-supercars/ (https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/how-hawk-eye-works-in-supercars/) write up is about half way down the page.

Caveat - I'm not a Rick Kelly supporter, there the race directors comments.................not mine, don't shoot the messenger
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: BBull on March 08, 2019, 06:40:31 AM
Problem with that is if a car is say approaching  a corner at 250kph and needs the acceleration to get thru the corner and the race director hits the button limiting him to say 80kph, ooh that could get ugly

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Yes agree, i am not trying to solve the issue in a one sentence statement. Obviously there would need to be a full change management done on a system like this and warnings to drivers. Its not happening just a thought that with all this technology this day and age there can be a smarter system put in place then what is currently being used.
Again the double stacking and incidents in pit lane shows there needs to be a change before someone gets killed.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on March 08, 2019, 07:12:31 AM
Pace car picks up the leader, pit lane closed, pace car controls pace, green flag go racing. We all know pace cars breed pace cars, will make for exciting racing.  More pressure on pit crews processing cars under race conditions, more errors. Strategy will play a bigger role.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on March 08, 2019, 08:04:11 AM
If they close pitlane under safety car, then they need to get rid of compulsory pitstops.  In the early 00's they closed pitlane and on lap 2 of every race, almost every car would pit and you still had pitlane congestion.

They need to look at a few things. F1 style virtual safety cars for minor incidents.  Close pitlane until the safety car has control of the entire field, then open it. Ban double stacking. Including cars driving too slow in pitlane, while their teammate gets serviced.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: jclures on March 08, 2019, 09:11:43 AM
I do not know why they do not just say only one car from the team in pit lane at any time.
If the second car does come in, it should have to pass straight through and come around again as a automatic penalty.
This should also include the two team garages,  first in gets service.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on March 08, 2019, 09:24:09 AM
Maybe only one team car allowed in pitlane at a time unless the other car is in the garage.
When they are fighting for tenths of a second there will always be cockups
They have the rules they need to enforce them and make the penalties severe.  If you have a look at that pitlane incident on Sunday, both Chaz and Fabs were not in their bays properly (due to double stacking), unsafe release, using reverse on pitlane, and haven't counted how many cars drove thru the servicing lane. Not sure how many rule breeches there was but it was heaps and without checking the supercars site the only penalty I know of was unsafe release, if they are serious about pitlane safety then they should do their job, and all of those penalties could/should have been dealt with under race conditions

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on March 08, 2019, 10:45:53 AM
Some common sense has to be applied, if Mostert had not been able to use reverse a pit crew would have needed to pull him back, that then puts that crew in danger. There were enough crews at risk with what happened.
Yes it was a debacle but it will be reviewed and changes will happen, the rules are always evolving.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on March 08, 2019, 11:05:31 AM
What I was getting at Pottsy is if they hit every rule breach that happened in that incident then maybe the team's would be less tempted to take the chance, I personally think those cars passing the accident were causing the greater danger to the crews than the accident itself, if they had of stopped the crews could have cleared that in a matter of seconds. Being a selfish bugger my first thought when it happened is why didn't the 888 crew just stand their ground and none of them would have got past, but then again I certainly wouldn't be brave enough to stand in front of them guys

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on March 08, 2019, 11:49:41 AM
What I was getting at Pottsy is if they hit every rule breach that happened in that incident then maybe the team's would be less tempted to take the chance, I personally think those cars passing the accident were causing the greater danger to the crews than the accident itself, if they had of stopped the crews could have cleared that in a matter of seconds. Being a selfish bugger my first thought when it happened is why didn't the 888 crew just stand their ground and none of them would have got past, but then again I certainly wouldn't be brave enough to stand in front of them guys

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Yep I agree, I reckon there may well be some meaty fines handed out. Surprised the 888 guy that wrangled the high pressure air hose didn't stand his ground.  ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Foo on March 08, 2019, 02:20:59 PM
I do not know why they do not just say only one car from the team in pit lane at any time.
If the second car does come in, it should have to pass straight through and come around again as a automatic penalty.
This should also include the two team garages,  first in gets service.

Don't go makin things to simple!  :angel:

Foo
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: chester ver2.0 on March 08, 2019, 02:30:00 PM
jesus this is all too complicated
Im going back to the electrical thread where things are easy, there is only 1 way to do it and everyone agrees that way is the best
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on March 08, 2019, 03:42:17 PM
jesus this is all too complicated
Im going back to the electrical thread where things are easy, there is only 1 way to do it and everyone agrees that way is the best

"ZAP"  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: jclures on March 08, 2019, 08:59:58 PM
Don't go makin things to simple!  :angel:

Foo

I am a simple uneducated bushy, so any ideas I have will be disregarded by those that know better than I anyway.  ???
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on March 14, 2019, 10:19:49 PM


Same with bikes, they even have a E-Bike category at the Isle of Mann now :( look at this monstrosity!
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/racing/isle-of-man-tt/news/tt-2018-why-are-mugen-racing-electric-bikes-at-the-tt-and-what-does-the-future-hold (https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/racing/isle-of-man-tt/news/tt-2018-why-are-mugen-racing-electric-bikes-at-the-tt-and-what-does-the-future-hold)

Ebike mx champs too :(  https://www.ktm.com/au/e-ride/ (https://www.ktm.com/au/e-ride/)


MotoE fans might have to wait a little longer...

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/03/14/majority-of-motoe-fleet-destroyed-by-fire/

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pete79 on April 04, 2019, 05:26:52 AM
A decent sized crew heading down to Tassie for the weekend.

The Brissy Virgin Lounge is full of racing colours this morning.
Had to laugh when Lowndesy rocked up to the valet parking in his s***tbox Commodore. ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on April 08, 2019, 06:54:06 AM
From the way I see it , the COG tests and the placement of ballast in the Holden and Fords higher up in the cars has had the desired affect . There was a lot closer racing among several teams over the weekend , not a Ford runaway race like the first couple of races .

Well done Supercars .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Redback on April 08, 2019, 07:17:11 AM
Well there ya go, reminds me of the Tony Longhurst days when the virtually weighted the little BMW out of touring car racing because it was beating the big V8 Holdens and Fords.

Why is it there's not been any weighting to help Nissan be competitive against Holden or Ford ???
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Marcus73 on April 08, 2019, 07:40:46 AM
Well there ya go, reminds me of the Tony Longhurst days when the virtually weighted the little BMW out of touring car racing because it was beating the big V8 Holdens and Fords.

Why is it there's not been any weighting to help Nissan be competitive against Holden or Ford ???

This was done to increase parity between all brands. So far it appears to have worked for Holden, so maybe Nissan need to lift their game. Time will tell.....


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on April 08, 2019, 07:56:26 AM
Well there ya go, reminds me of the Tony Longhurst days when the virtually weighted the little BMW out of touring car racing because it was beating the big V8 Holdens and Fords.

Why is it there's not been any weighting to help Nissan be competitive against Holden or Ford ???


They , Supercars , used the Nissan as a base . Then they reweighted the Ford and Holden to be equal to the Nissan . They all have the same min weight but now the COG has been equalized over the three brands .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on April 08, 2019, 09:49:30 AM
I was enjoying it more when the Fords were looking like dominating everything ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: gronk on April 08, 2019, 06:35:18 PM


Why is it there's not been any weighting to help Nissan be competitive against Holden or Ford ???

You can only have rules to try and even out the cars.....you can't have rules to let one make have an advantage against the others.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on April 14, 2019, 09:01:52 AM
The wheels have officially fallen off at Red Bull HRT!  One each for #88 & #97 this year.
Engine failure.  Pitstop errors. Out qualified by customers T18 and MSR.  Massive setup issues with the single spring, forcing the team to seek setup advice from Winterbottom.
Yet people still squawk aero parity....

The Erebus ZB and Kelly Altimas definitely had Tickford's measure yesterday.  Scotty Mac has almost owned PI since 2014 and along with DJRTP's form over the last few years. No one should be surprised to see #17 & #12 walk away from the field.


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on April 14, 2019, 09:29:02 AM
Yes I agree , Red Bull HRT are feeling the new spring regulations harder than other teams , this is putting pressure on the whole outfit and mistakes are been made .

Some of the other teams DJRTP included , have addapted quicker and it is showing on the track .

I made a statement on Facebook after Adelaide saying that the new Mustangs are not that fast but Scott is , and I still stand by this statement , Red Bull HRT are not as yet on the money with their setup and this is making the mustangs look to be faster than the actually are .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on April 14, 2019, 09:37:32 AM
Got to love Phillip Island as a venue, fantastic panorama, some of the best corners in Aust motor racing and it always turns up a few surprises.
Great effort by Heimgartner yesterday.
I like the new qualifying format, shakes things up a bit.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on April 14, 2019, 09:50:14 AM
Interesting comments in the commentary yesterday.  Lowndes and Skaife mentioned the Altima is as fast as it was at PI last year and the Mustang has matched the FGX.  Yet the 888 ZB's are over a second  slower.
The ZB aero was designed with the twin spring damper in mind, while the Mustang aero is based around a linear spring.  Roland mentioned this morning their team is struggling with front aero balance.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on April 14, 2019, 10:24:24 AM
I take note of the above comments and agreed T8 are having a few issues carried over from last year but I wander if Supercars are going to add the remainder of the COG difference to the Mustang. Wasn't there a 35kg difference rather then the 20 odd kg they added to the Mustangs? 

The whole current saga of the COG has really demonstrated how behind Supercars is with it's rules for the Car of the Future race package.  With the introduction of the ZB the issue of the different roofing panels was identified and address pretty quickly where as the length of time it took Supercars to apparently even recognise COG to be an issue to even look at addressing it has more then anything else caused the angst with fans and competitors. 

My view the Supercars Car of the Future is the biggest stumbling block they have.  relying on a standardised frame for every vehicle then having to modify the vehicle panels to replicate the make and model of the 'car' being raced has resulted in the race car not being the manufactured vehicle.   The Mustang roof line is about 100ml higher then factory to meet the requirements of the Car of the Future and while there is talk of the Camero replacing the Holdens it would mean raising the roof line about 150mls. 

This and other restricitons imposed by the 'Car of the Future' specs are actually holding back the current vehicles and keeping them in the past.  Supercars really should change its name to Auscars as they really are not different to the Nascars.  Just need a few oval tracks. 
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: jclures on April 14, 2019, 10:30:49 AM
If and when this happens it might change what we see on track.
 https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/next-gen-chassis-grunt-work-underway/ (https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/next-gen-chassis-grunt-work-underway/)
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on April 14, 2019, 11:16:05 AM


I take note of the above comments and agreed T8 are having a few issues carried over from last year but I wander if Supercars are going to add the remainder of the COG difference to the Mustang. Wasn't there a 35kg difference rather then the 20 odd kg they added to the Mustangs? 

Mustang had 28kg (27. Something) added and Holden 7kg (6. Something). To bring inline with the Altima. Nothing more to add.

The biggest parity is resources.    Holden went closed shop with 888 and used an external contractor for It's CFD aero work.

Ford went open book with DJRTP and Tickford.  With inhouse Ford Performance doing the aero work.  The same people and resources that built the very aero Le Mans winning GT Ford and probably spent twice the dollars Holden did in the process.

Maybe it's time for Supercars to be 100% responsible for developing and matching the aero.  Ie. The manufacturer hands over a fistful of dollars to Supercars to design and test a new car.  The manufacturer will always focus on advantage,  while Supercars technically should focus on parity.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on April 14, 2019, 12:01:03 PM

Mustang had 28kg (27. Something) added and Holden 7kg (6. Something). To bring inline with the Altima. Nothing more to add.


I must have read it wrong, I thought the Mustang had about a 35kg difference.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: archer63 on April 14, 2019, 12:35:12 PM
I must have read it wrong, I thought the Mustang had about a 35kg difference.

Yes...definitely 28kg not 35kg.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on April 14, 2019, 02:52:14 PM
Trying to find the CoG results form Supercars.  Must be in a technical section. 

https://www.motorsport.com/v8supercars/news/supercars-centre-of-gravity-change/4359079/ (https://www.motorsport.com/v8supercars/news/supercars-centre-of-gravity-change/4359079/)

Motorsport.com understands the original figures given to teams were 30 kilograms for the Mustang and six kilograms for the Commodore, however sources indicated those numbers were likely to shift before being finalised.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on April 14, 2019, 05:59:44 PM
Well done Anton De Pasquale on his first podium.
Erebus consistently punch above their weight, when you compare their resources to DJRTP, 888 & WAU.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: archer63 on April 14, 2019, 06:36:16 PM
Agree....a fantastic effort...especially beating the number one Opel team 👍
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on April 14, 2019, 06:52:01 PM
Agree....a fantastic effort...especially beating the number one Opel team
Name one part of an Opel that is on a Supercar

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on April 14, 2019, 07:44:11 PM
Name one part of an Opel that is on a Supercar

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lol name any Holden part compared to the number of Ford parts
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on April 14, 2019, 09:32:28 PM
lol name any Holden part compared to the number of Ford parts
The badge my point was they have nothing to do with road cars

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on April 14, 2019, 10:00:53 PM
The badge my point was they have nothing to do with road cars

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Exactly, how many Ford components?
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: GeoffA on April 15, 2019, 05:02:37 AM
Name one part of an Opel that is on a Supercar

Grille? Mirrors? Door handles? Tail lights?
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on April 15, 2019, 08:14:16 AM
I don't give a rats arse about whether they have Holden, Ford or Nissan parts, I just enjoy the racing!  :cup: ;D :cup: ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on April 15, 2019, 10:05:47 AM
Exactly, how many Ford components?
Dunno, maybe engine and badge??

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on April 15, 2019, 10:07:46 AM
I don't give a rats arse about whether they have Holden, Ford or Nissan parts, I just enjoy the racing!  :cup: ;D :cup: ;D
We have a winner

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on April 15, 2019, 10:11:12 AM


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Grille? Mirrors? Door handles? Tail lights?
Geez, Supercars would be keeping Holden/Opal afloat if they were using genuine mirrors, wouldn't they?

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on April 15, 2019, 10:55:51 AM
Dunno, maybe engine and badge??

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Still carrying over the old Ford Block and old Falcon suspension.  They really need to upgrade the Car of the Future to include current components 
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on April 16, 2019, 01:58:47 PM
See that Roland is still whinging about the Mustangs aero, may be they would be better served making sure they have all the wheels screws on before they leave the pits.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on April 25, 2019, 09:04:34 AM


https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/supercars-makes-mustang-aero-changes/ (https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/supercars-makes-mustang-aero-changes/)


Funny thing about these aero changes is that Mark Larkham highlitted these at the first race in Adelaide , as he stated all the teams signed off on the Mustang aero package , but the aero testing is only done in straight line speed . He predicted that the Mustang would have far better gains that the Holden and Nissan and that changes may be made if the new Mustang was showing above average results .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: GeoffA on April 25, 2019, 09:18:34 AM
Nothing would be done if T8 had been winning everything....
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on April 25, 2019, 09:27:33 AM
Nothing would be done if T8 had been winning everything....

Thats right. Holden won 7 out of 10 of last years races with the new designed car and Roland was happy.

I hope Scotty wins the even more now.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on April 25, 2019, 09:29:30 AM
Nothing would be done if T8 had been winning everything....
That would be because the parity would be more on a par


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on April 25, 2019, 09:49:26 AM
Thats right. Holden won 7 out of 10 of last years races with the new designed car and Roland was happy.

I hope Scotty wins the even more now.
I reckon the way Scott's driving ATM he would win if he was riding a push bike

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on April 25, 2019, 10:17:54 AM
Quote from: macca
I reckon the way Scott's driving ATM he would win if he was riding a push bike
i heard they have a new theme song for it too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9-CNhfAuWU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9-CNhfAuWU)  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on April 25, 2019, 01:28:02 PM
What a debacle.  As John Bowe posted. The squeaky wheel gets the oil perhaps?

So apparently the homologation process involves 2 track tests and a straight line test.  Yet the powers to be can make 3 aero changes, plus the earlier change in ballast rules.  All with zero real world track testing (or even a wind tunnel) to make sure some computer testing and 'educated guesses' are correct?
Just force changes and cross your fingers at the next round it's right...

Amateur hour.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Pottsy on April 25, 2019, 03:20:44 PM
And I hope the Mustangs come out and poke it far and square up Roland's arse. The Kelly's are behind the eightball and struggling with the changes and all they say is we have some work to do, and just get on with it.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on April 25, 2019, 03:33:11 PM
What a debacle.  As John Bowe posted. The squeaky wheel gets the oil perhaps?

So apparently the homologation process involves 2 track tests and a straight line test.  Yet the powers to be can make 3 aero changes, plus the earlier change in ballast rules.  All with zero real world track testing (or even a wind tunnel) to make sure some computer testing and 'educated guesses' are correct?
Just force changes and cross your fingers at the next round it's right...

Amateur hour.

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It's hard to understand how Supercars can get it so wrong, like you didn't have to be a rocket scientist to work out that rear wing was a ripper. The yanks must have been laughing their arses off when they got that gig.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Hairs on April 25, 2019, 05:41:04 PM
Nothing would be done if T8 had been winning everything....
Spot on.
Cheers

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on April 25, 2019, 05:50:28 PM
Parity changes have always been around and the newer vehicles have changes made.  This time around it is the Mustangs.   

I think what makes it so different this time around Supercars have been caught napping on their own rules. 

Basically, previously teams have taken the factory vehicle and tried to make a race car out of it.  This time around DJRP, Tickford and Ford worked together to produce a race car that is an advanced, state-of-the-art Supercar, designed and built within the rules of the series and done a terrific job with it.  And that is where Supercars have been caught out with it's own rules.  CoG hasn't been an issue before.  The same with aerodynamics during cornering, not just in a straight line. 

I think we all knew when Penske joined DJR things were going to change and that change came in the Mustang.  It's not just the other teams that have to catch up to the six Mustangs but also Supercars have to catch up too. 

The saddest part of Supercars now the way the vehicle manufactures have gone, is at least the Holden badge is Australian. 

Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on April 26, 2019, 08:09:07 AM
No wonder manufacturers leave!

Have a look at Ingall and Morris's new youtube channel. I think this will take off.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNTgkaYiCf8hhNA6wDrzd_g (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNTgkaYiCf8hhNA6wDrzd_g)
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Robbo on April 26, 2019, 08:49:45 AM
No wonder manufacturers leave!

Have a look at Ingall and Morris's new youtube channel. I think this will take off.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNTgkaYiCf8hhNA6wDrzd_g (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNTgkaYiCf8hhNA6wDrzd_g)
Yep, that was great. What did you think of their wind tunnel??
Aussie inginuity Lol

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: doc evil on April 26, 2019, 08:55:40 AM
What a debacle.  As John Bowe posted. The squeaky wheel gets the oil perhaps?

So apparently the homologation process involves 2 track tests and a straight line test.  Yet the powers to be can make 3 aero changes, plus the earlier change in ballast rules.  All with zero real world track testing (or even a wind tunnel) to make sure some computer testing and 'educated guesses' are correct?
Just force changes and cross your fingers at the next round it's right...

Amateur hour.

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Sigh..............short memories............

Perkins bar!! I think Bowe was the loudest "wheel"
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on April 26, 2019, 09:32:09 AM
Sigh..............short memories............

Perkins bar!! I think Bowe was the loudest "wheel"
Not short. I remember the mid 90's and parity was all about who was loudest.
93 they got it wrong badly.  They never back to back tested the EB & VP properly. Too skewed in EB's favour in the beginning and then the changes GMS pushed later in the season skewed it too far the other way.

The 200mm undertray trimming from the EF in 95 was due to hard lobbying from Perkins.  Then prior to Bathurst in 96 Cams realised it was a mistake and gave Ford an option.  Have the 200mm back, or have 150mm removed from the VR undertray.  They went the later and Larry cracked it and turned up to Bathurst with the aero superior VP....

All of the above was done with no real world testing of these changes.  25 years on and nothing seems to have changed.

I'm not disputing there must be a parity issue.  The fact Ford are remaining quite says something.  My issue is making 3 different changes and not verifying the changes first in real world testing.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Robbo on April 26, 2019, 04:17:33 PM
Supercars have announced the latest rules to slow the Mustang down. This should do it.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190426/e89705f69ecb59e8e6c706af53f6c964.jpg)

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on April 26, 2019, 08:28:19 PM
Supercars have announced the latest rules to slow the Mustang down. This should do it.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190426/e89705f69ecb59e8e6c706af53f6c964.jpg)
someone would still whinge when it won
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: jclures on May 02, 2019, 11:29:37 AM
This is from a Ford man, interesting read on his take of the mustang.
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/larkham-mustang-parity-change-the-right-call/ (https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/larkham-mustang-parity-change-the-right-call/)
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: edz on May 02, 2019, 11:12:48 PM
Larko comes across as a company salesman toeing the company line .. selling Shite to the sheeple to  keep a cushy job ...
 The Mutant Stang was Built to the regulations / signed off on by all parties as legal and is now being  Knobbled because its a winner . Maybe the others just need to lift their game ..  ;D ;D  ..
For me they should forget the Super Taxi Tourer Farce and open it up to out n out anything goes Sports sedan series instead of the Suedo sports sedan series it is now.
But you got more chance of selling Ice to an Eskimo than that happening .   
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on May 03, 2019, 10:06:25 AM
Quote from: edz
Knobbled because its a winner
sounds familiar in car racing.... LMAO
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: GeoffA on May 04, 2019, 08:24:15 AM
OK, they've had a go at the Mustangs, so what's next?

New aero package for the Commodores?
Take a couple of cylinders from the Mustang?
Make the Windsor the control engine?
Half a lap head start for the Commodores?

If the situation was reversed, Roly would be calling for the rest of the field to lift their game....
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on May 04, 2019, 08:36:23 AM
No matter what you do.   The cream will always rise to the top.



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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on May 04, 2019, 08:53:41 AM
OK, they've had a go at the Mustangs, so what's next?

New aero package for the Commodores?
Take a couple of cylinders from the Mustang?
Make the Windsor the control engine?
Half a lap head start for the Commodores?

If the situation was reversed, Roly would be calling for the rest of the field to lift their game....
Nup, the fix is simple, all they have to do is ban the Fords  and Nissans. Then I would have two of my favourite drivers (Scott and Chaz) driving my favoured manufacturer, Holdens would be able to win again, you may, I said may get a smile out of Roland, the world would be back in equilibrium.  K.I.S.S., geez why do they have to make things so difficult.


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on May 04, 2019, 06:15:29 PM
Loving the night races , great as a TV spectator but not sure that it would be as good for a on track spectator as day racing .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: gronk on May 04, 2019, 06:48:37 PM
Loving the night races , great as a TV spectator but not sure that it would be as good for a on track spectator as day racing .
To be honest, it looks OK, but as a tv watcher, I really don't care. The cost of the lights , unless paid by a sponsor, only adds a cost that is not really needed.
Even though I've always been a Holden supporter, I really like Scotty  as a driver and I think he's going to street the rest this year for the title.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: doc evil on May 04, 2019, 09:44:29 PM
Loving the night races , great as a TV spectator but not sure that it would be as good for a on track spectator as day racing .

Well, what a waste of money.....a couple of mates said lets go. $60 for a ticket.....all set up for tv....couldn't see the cars properly, couldn't workout who was who, even with the under car lights.
Only lasted 20 laps........at my mates place watching his foxtel......and it is still not floating my boat anymore!!
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on May 05, 2019, 07:34:02 AM
Well, what a waste of money.....a couple of mates said lets go. $60 for a ticket.....all set up for tv....couldn't see the cars properly, couldn't workout who was who, even with the under car lights.
Only lasted 20 laps........at my mates place watching his foxtel......and it is still not floating my boat anymore!!


Having been a spectator at this track in daylight racing , it is great . You can wander around and watch the racing from just about anywhere , and in some places you can see a fair bit of the track .

But at night I thought that your viewing would have been limited . Don't think that I would spend the dollars to go to a night time race , the atmosphere would be great , but can't see me doing it .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: leighton coull on May 05, 2019, 08:40:50 AM
Looks fantastic under lights, may have a restricted view of all the cars around the track.
The main thing is that FORDS won again!!
Roland and redbull had their time in the spotlight....
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: GeoffA on May 05, 2019, 08:52:20 AM
Looks fantastic under lights, may have a restricted view of all the cars around the track.
The main thing is that FORDS won again!!
Roland and redbull had their time in the spotlight....

Don't worry Leighton, they'll be back....
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: leighton coull on May 05, 2019, 09:11:27 AM
I know Geoff,
Makes for better racing/viewing when there are a few competitive teams..
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: doc evil on May 06, 2019, 09:20:40 AM
Looks fantastic under lights, may have a restricted view of all the cars around the track.
The main thing is that FORDS won again!!
Roland and redbull had their time in the spotlight....

And in real life...............those DROFs are butt ugly........the shape, the look.........trying to fit the shape over the parity frame/cage has not done it any favours..............
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on May 06, 2019, 10:24:10 AM


And in real life...............those DROFs are butt ugly........the shape, the look.........trying to fit the shape over the parity frame/cage has not done it any favours..............

I reckon they look like the Jetsons bubble car

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on May 06, 2019, 11:02:45 AM
And in real life...............those DROFs are butt ugly........the shape, the look.........trying to fit the shape over the parity frame/cage has not done it any favours..............

That had to raise the roof line 10cm to make the Mustang fit around the Control cahssis/roll cage.  If they were to do the Camero it would be about a 15cm bubble to make it fit. 

It is how Supercars have been caught out, again.  Their Car of the Future is just so far behind what the manufacturers are producing, along with the other mandatory components.  By the time CotF.2 is released they will need CotF.3. 
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Ozsnowman on May 06, 2019, 11:48:02 AM
https://youtu.be/Fs3TIKj1f9o (https://youtu.be/Fs3TIKj1f9o)

This is a half decent look into racing.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: doc evil on May 06, 2019, 01:09:42 PM
That had to raise the roof line 10cm to make the Mustang fit around the Control cahssis/roll cage.  If they were to do the Camero it would be about a 15cm bubble to make it fit. 

It is how Supercars have been caught out, again.  Their Car of the Future is just so far behind what the manufacturers are producing, along with the other mandatory components.  By the time CotF.2 is released they will need CotF.3.

Not only that, the whole bonnet/nose is also about a kilometre above where it is on the road going version.......A mazda 121 looks a whole lot betterer....at least that is in proportion...........
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on May 06, 2019, 01:18:32 PM
Calling the ford a Mustang is a bloody joke , at least the Nissan and the Holden are close to the road going version . Both the Nissan and Holden could have factory guards , bonnet and rear boot/hatch bolted onto the car and other things light headlights and Grills are factory shape .

There is nothing that would fit the race Mustang that is anywhere near factory shape/fit .

There was once a rule that factory bonnets had to be able to bolt on to the race version , supercars must have deleted this rule otherwise the Mustang would not be ontrack .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: DannyG on May 06, 2019, 01:21:11 PM

There is nothing that would fit the race Mustang that is anywhere near factory shape/fit .


The badge mate ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on May 06, 2019, 01:35:34 PM
The badge mate ;D

On the subject of the Badge.  Maybe some clarification.  Mustang does not have the Ford mark on it, only a Mustang? 
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on May 06, 2019, 03:12:35 PM
On the subject of the Badge.  Maybe some clarification.  Mustang does not have the Ford mark on it, only a Mustang?
Ford  Australia haven't been a sponsor of Supercars for number of years now as far as I know and if you don't pay you don't get your name on the car.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: doc evil on May 06, 2019, 05:26:49 PM
Ford  Australia haven't been a sponsor of Supercars for number of years now as far as I know and if you don't pay you don't get your name on the car.

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Yep, I think triple 8 had a pig (hogs breath) logo instead of DROF........
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on May 06, 2019, 05:45:37 PM
Yep, I think triple 8 had a pig (hogs breath) logo instead of DROF........
Pretty sure it's in the rules that the badge can't be altered unless you apply for special dispensation.  Roland got rid of the blue oval for the pig when Ford withdrew sponsorship to 888 and Erebus changed theirs to  the Erebus symbol when they couldn't get the Holden badge when imported Commodore first came in, they still run it today. Suppose the fans are the only ones that have to look at the donkey atm , the Team Red boys can't get in front of the Stangs to see the bloody badge

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on May 06, 2019, 07:19:08 PM
On the subject of the Badge.  Maybe some clarification.  Mustang does not have the Ford mark on it, only a Mustang?

Sorry I was referring to Ford and Mustang on the road, not the Supercars
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: macca on May 06, 2019, 08:50:05 PM
Sorry al, couldn't tell you, it's a Ford, I never give 'em a second look

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: edz on May 07, 2019, 07:53:04 AM
[quote ]
Sorry I was referring to Ford and Mustang on the road
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Just goes to show they must be pretty crook when a supplier wont even put their mark on them Al.  ;D ;D
Only decent thing in / about them is the drive train . IMO .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Marcus73 on May 17, 2019, 06:14:58 PM
Looking forward to watching this new TCR series. May well give the Supercars a bit of a shake up I think


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: gronk on May 17, 2019, 07:40:52 PM
Looking forward to watching this new TCR series. May well give the Supercars a bit of a shake up I think


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Nope, won't happen. Been tried before and the Aussie public still want the V8's.

But, for it to work, they need to have it as an undercard to the Supercars. Can't expect to draw a big crowd to a weekend of TCR and some other rubbish event..
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on June 16, 2019, 12:03:49 PM
G'day ,

You honestly can not say that there is Parity in this years supercars .

Out of 24 cars , there are 6 so called Mustangs , 4 Nissans  and 14 Holdens .

Top 10 shootout today- 6 mustangs , 1 Nissan and 3 Holdens . ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on June 16, 2019, 12:12:05 PM
G'day ,

You honestly can not say that there is Parity in this years supercars .

Out of 24 cars , there are 6 so called Mustangs , 4 Nissans  and 14 Holdens .

Top 10 shootout today- 6 mustangs , 1 Nissan and 3 Holdens . ??? ??? ??? ???

Forget the top ten, just look at podiums.   
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: edz on June 16, 2019, 12:33:44 PM
You want draw cards ... BRING back the Stadium trucks .. and Aussie race cars  to fill the slots
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on June 16, 2019, 01:13:07 PM
G'day ,

You honestly can not say that there is Parity in this years supercars .

Out of 24 cars , there are 6 so called Mustangs , 4 Nissans  and 14 Holdens .

Top 10 shootout today- 6 mustangs , 1 Nissan and 3 Holdens . ??? ??? ??? ???
That might be the case if 888 were directly behind the 6 Mustangs, but they're nowhere to be seen with massive set up issues.  Customer 888 team outqualifing them and Erebus have no dramas out pacing the Tickford Mustangs.

Having been to the Erebus workshop and seeing their very small resources.  Their pace is nothing short of impressive.

The only parity issue is Scotty Mac.  He's in a league of his own at the moment.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on June 16, 2019, 01:15:11 PM
You want draw cards ... BRING back the Stadium trucks .. and Aussie race cars  to fill the slots
Cams banned the stadium trucks, apparently because they're dangerous...

Yet these stupid 'Superutes' end up on their roof in every race and Cams don't bat an eyelid....

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: GeoffA on June 16, 2019, 01:45:48 PM
G'day ,

You honestly can not say that there is Parity in this years supercars .

Out of 24 cars , there are 6 so called Mustangs , 4 Nissans  and 14 Holdens .

Top 10 shootout today- 6 mustangs , 1 Nissan and 3 Holdens . ??? ??? ??? ???

Looks fine to me, duggie.... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on June 16, 2019, 01:59:55 PM
Looks fine to me, duggie.... ;D ;D

You want to borrow my glasses Geoff , I think you may be getting a little poor of sight .  ;D
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on June 16, 2019, 04:54:41 PM
Race Results as of today, Race 16 16-6-2019.   Coloured for a visual effect, Holden, Nissan and Ford to indicate the Podium place getters. 


Car  Driver                            Make        R1    R2    R3    R4    R5    R6    R7    R8   R9   R10  R11  R12  R13  R14  R15  R16

2     Scott Pye                       Holden      NC   17    13    14    06    11    12    08    08    15   16    NC    10    08    10    19   
3     Garry Jacobson               Nissan      19    22    21    24   19     17    24    NC   19    19   19    19     21   18    14     24
4     Jack Smith                      Holden     =      =    =     =     =      =     23     24    =     =    =     =      24    21   20     25
5     Lee Holdsworth                Ford        21    11    09    12    12    09    13    09    15    14    09    09    22   05    06     07
6     Cameron Waters              Ford        22    02    03    03    NC    04    11    11    NC    06   08    03    11    06    04    04
7     Andre Heimgartner         Nissan      13    13    15    18    09    14    18    17    03    13    17    23    08    11    16    11
8     Nick Percat                     Holden     07    05    14    15    08    10    08    07    09    10    07    10    07    09    13    15
9     David Reynolds               Holden     08    09    10    07    04    08    06    03    04    11    10    06    03    04    03    02
12   Fabian Coulthard             Ford         06    20    02    05    05    15    02   02    02    01    01    04    15    02    07    03   
14   Tim Slade                       Holden     17    04    06    08    03    07    07    12    17    09    11    11    13    12    NC    18
15   Rick Kelly                        Nissan     11    24    22    16    16    19    17    15    07    08    15    20    14    NC    21    16
17   Scott McLaughlin              Ford        01    01    01    01    NC    01    01    04    01    02    02    01    01    01    01    01
18   Mark Winterbottom           Holden    09    06    12    11    13    06    04    06    21    17    18    15    09    22    17    12
19   Jack Le Brocq                   Holden     20    21    20    20    15    23    22    22    20    20    20    22    20    20    NC    21
21   Macauley Jones                Holden     =     23    19    22    20    NC    20    20    18    21    24    17    16    16    22    22
22   James Courtney               Holden     10    12    07    09    07    16    05    13    22    24    25    16    04    13    09    14   
23   Will Davison                    Ford         04    08    04    06    10    05    19    14    10    04    06    08    12    NC    12    09       
33   Stanaway/Pither              Holden     18    18    17    21    DSQ 20    16    19    14    23    22    21    25    14    15    23
34   James Golding                 Holden     14    19    16    23    18    18    15    16    13    22    14    13    17    19    NC    17
35   Todd Hazelwood              Holden     12    10    23    17    14    13    14    18    11    16    23    14    19    15    18    13     
55    Chaz Mostert                  Ford        05    15    05    02    01    02    10    10    05    05    03    NC    02    10    02    06
77   Tim Blanchard                 Holden     =     =      =     =     =      =     =      =     =     =     21    18    =      =     =      =
78   Simona De Silestro          Nissan      15    16    18    19    17    21    21    21    16    18    12    12    23    23    19    20
88   Jamie Whincup                Holden      02    07    08    04    02    03    25    05    NC    12    04    02    06    03    05    05   
97   Shane van Gisbergen       Holden      03    03   NC    10    21    22    03    01    06    07    05    05    05    07    08    10
99   Anton de Pasquale           Holden      16    14    11    13    11    12    09    23    12    03    13    07    18    17    11    08

Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on June 16, 2019, 05:23:33 PM

Just playing around.  Scotty has definitely matured over last year as a driver and now with Penske adding his vast knowledge and know how to the Team, Scotty is on another level.  But if we take Scotty out of the results what does the podium look like? 


Car  Driver                            Make        R1    R2    R3    R4    R5    R6    R7    R8   R9   R10  R11  R12  R13  R14  R15  R16

2     Scott Pye                       Holden      NC   17    13    14    06    11    12    08    08    15   16    NC    10    08    10    19   
3     Garry Jacobson               Nissan      19    22    21    24   19     17    24    NC   19    19   19    19     21   18    14     24
4     Jack Smith                      Holden     =      =    =     =     =      =     23     24    =     =    =     =      24    21   20     25
5     Lee Holdsworth                Ford        21    11    09    12    12    09    13    09    15    14    09    09    22   05    06     07
6     Cameron Waters              Ford        22    02    03    03    NC    04    11    11    NC    06   08    03    11    06    04    04
7     Andre Heimgartner         Nissan      13    13    15    18    09    14    18    17    03    13    17    23    08    11    16    11
8     Nick Percat                     Holden     07    05    14    15    08    10    08    07    09    10    07    10    07    09    13    15
9     David Reynolds               Holden     08    09    10    07    04    08    06    03    04    11    10    06    03    04    03    02
12   Fabian Coulthard             Ford         06    20    02    05    05    15    02   02    02    01    01    04    15    02    07    03   
14   Tim Slade                       Holden     17    04    06    08    03    07    07    12    17    09    11    11    13    12    NC    18
15   Rick Kelly                        Nissan     11    24    22    16    16    19    17    15    07    08    15    20    14    NC    21    16
17   Scott McLaughlin              Ford           01    01    01    01    NC    01    01    04    01    02    02    01    01    01    01    01
18   Mark Winterbottom           Holden    09    06    12    11    13    06    04    06    21    17    18    15    09    22    17    12
19   Jack Le Brocq                   Holden     20    21    20    20    15    23    22    22    20    20    20    22    20    20    NC    21
21   Macauley Jones                Holden     =     23    19    22    20    NC    20    20    18    21    24    17    16    16    22    22
22   James Courtney               Holden     10    12    07    09    07    16    05    13    22    24    25    16    04    13    09    14   
23   Will Davison                    Ford         04    08    04    06    10    05    19    14    10    04    06    08    12    NC    12    09       
33   Stanaway/Pither              Holden     18    18    17    21    DSQ 20    16    19    14    23    22    21    25    14    15    23
34   James Golding                 Holden     14    19    16    23    18    18    15    16    13    22    14    13    17    19    NC    17
35   Todd Hazelwood              Holden     12    10    23    17    14    13    14    18    11    16    23    14    19    15    18    13     
55    Chaz Mostert                  Ford        05    15    05    02    01    02    10    10    05    05    03    NC    02    10    02    06
77   Tim Blanchard                 Holden     =     =      =     =     =      =     =      =     =     =     21    18    =      =     =      =
78   Simona De Silestro          Nissan      15    16    18    19    17    21    21    21    16    18    12    12    23    23    19    20
88   Jamie Whincup                Holden      02    07    08    04    02    03    25    05    NC    12    04    02    06    03    05    05   
97   Shane van Gisbergen       Holden      03    03   NC    10    21    22    03    01    06    07    05    05    05    07    08    10
99   Anton de Pasquale           Holden      16    14    11    13    11    12    09    23    12    03    13    07    18    17    11    08
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Spada on June 16, 2019, 05:32:40 PM
So the Erobus team with their comparatively smaller budget running Holdens have a car running 3rd in the championship? and all of the triple8 Holdens have been posting higher top speeds than every Ford? In my opinion that speaks volumes about the set up problems the Holden teams are having.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: GeoffA on June 16, 2019, 08:28:44 PM
You want to borrow my glasses Geoff , I think you may be getting a little poor of sight .  ;D

No thanks duggie. Yours are tinted the wrong colour for me.... ;D

........Erebus have no dramas out pacing the Tickford Mustangs.....

So the Erobus team with their comparatively smaller budget running Holdens have a car running 3rd in the championship? and all of the triple8 Holdens have been posting higher top speeds than every Ford? In my opinion that speaks volumes about the set up problems the Holden teams are having.

Yep. The pace of the Erebus cars dispels any parity argument....IMO....
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on June 16, 2019, 08:51:06 PM
No thanks duggie. Yours are tinted the wrong colour for me.... ;D

Yep. The pace of the Erebus cars dispels any parity argument....IMO....

Scott McLaughlin    14 Podiums
Fabian Coulthard      8 Podiums
Chaz Mostert            6 Podiums
Cameron Waters       4 Podiums

                             32 Podiums from 6 Fords

Jamie Whincup         5 Podiums
David Reynolds         4 Podiums
Shane van Gisbergen 4 Podiums
Anton de Pasquale     1 Podium
Tim Slade                 1 Podium

                              15 Podiums from 16 Holdens

Andre Heimgartner    1 Podium

                                1 Podium for 4 Nissans
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: GeoffA on June 16, 2019, 09:05:23 PM
Scott McLaughlin    14 Podiums
Fabian Coulthard      8 Podiums
Chaz Mostert            6 Podiums
Cameron Waters       4 Podiums

                             32 Podiums from 6 Fords

Jamie Whincup         5 Podiums
David Reynolds         4 Podiums
Shane van Gisbergen 4 Podiums
Anton de Pasquale     1 Podium
Tim Slade                 1 Podium

                              15 Podiums from 16 Holdens

Andre Heimgartner    1 Podium

                                1 Podium for 4 Nissans

What's the issue? 888's results (from 2 cars) are pretty much the same as Tickford's (from 4 cars).
DJRTP have their act together at the moment and are dominating, just as 888 have done for many years (just not this year).

Look at the last few rounds. Erebus have been steadily improving through the year, and Reynolds is now at the pointy end. If one driver can do it consistently, it's unlikely to be a parity issue.

I suspect Reynolds is very good at car setup. FPR were going very well until they dumped him, but dropped off markedly without him. Seems he's got a handle on the situation. The others will too, eventually....
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: duggie on June 16, 2019, 09:10:04 PM
So the Erobus team with their comparatively smaller budget running Holdens have a car running 3rd in the championship? and all of the triple8 Holdens have been posting higher top speeds than every Ford? In my opinion that speaks volumes about the set up problems the Holden teams are having.


Yep the Holdens may be a little bit quicker in a straight line , this would be due to the increased down force that the Mustangs have built into their body shape . If you look at the rear of the Mustang , they have a wing built into their boot as well as the race wing above .
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on June 16, 2019, 11:05:46 PM
What's the issue? 888's results (from 2 cars) are pretty much the same as Tickford's (from 4 cars).
DJRTP have their act together at the moment and are dominating, just as 888 have done for many years (just not this year).

Look at the last few rounds. Erebus have been steadily improving through the year, and Reynolds is now at the pointy end. If one driver can do it consistently, it's unlikely to be a parity issue.

I suspect Reynolds is very good at car setup. FPR were going very well until they dumped him, but dropped off markedly without him. Seems he's got a handle on the situation. The others will too, eventually....

                                2019   2018  2017  2016  2015  2014  2013
Scott McLaughlin           1      1        2        3        8        5       10
Fabian Coulthard           2      9        3        12      7         8       6
David Reynolds             3      5        7        16      3         15      9
Chaz Mostert                4      6        5         7       11       7       17
Shane van Gisbergen     5      2       4         1       4         2       5
Jamie Whincup              6      3       1         2       5         1       1
Cameron Waters            7     16      8        19      32       42      -
Nick Percat                    8     10     19       18      22       12      33
Will Davison                  9     15     15        5       15        14      3
Lee Holdsworth             10    21     16       24      14        20     20

No issues.  DJRTP are having a blinder of year.  As are Erebus with Anton starting to perform as well.  T888 seems to be having continued various issues this year.  For all six Mustangs to be performing so well, even by some drivers that their prior Championship record and performs this year can be described as inconsistent, goes to show what a good package the Ford is. 

As I have said previously here Supercars are that far behind the times with it's Car of the Future',  they are now being forced to play catch up with the Penkse Mustang.  It will be interesting to see what happens over the 'off' season.   
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Foo on June 17, 2019, 03:34:14 AM
It was okay when Holdens were six outta the top ten cars in previous years and Fords were struggling.  ::) ???

Foo
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Spada on June 17, 2019, 07:00:24 AM
I suspect we'll soon be seeing a Camaro based body style for replace the Commodores?

Dont forget that 888 pretty much dominated the field in the same style as DJRTP are doing now, until about the time that Ludo Lacroix moved from Holden to Ford.
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on June 17, 2019, 08:15:05 AM
I suspect we'll soon be seeing a Camaro based body style for replace the Commodores?

Dont forget that 888 pretty much dominated the field in the same style as DJRTP are doing now, until about the time that Ludo Lacroix moved from Holden to Ford.

Camero body will just not fit over the frame of the Car of the Future without raising it by 150mm.  Effectively end up with a mashed up vehicle that looks worse then the Mustang does now compared to what the actual real vehicle looks like. 
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on June 17, 2019, 08:27:31 AM
It was okay when Holdens were six outta the top ten cars in previous years and Fords were struggling.  ::) ???

Foo

And parity was applied pretty quickly.  Which team or when did/has a Holden driver or team have the same success rate DJRTP is having now?   Yes Scotty has improved but the biggest improvement was the injection by Penske in delivering the Mustang.  If not for the Mustang there are some names in the top ten that probably would still be back mid pack. 

It will be interesting to see what Supercars do over the off season and just what changes they will make to the Car of the Future.2. 
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: kylarama on June 17, 2019, 09:08:38 AM


And parity was applied pretty quickly.

When was the last time we saw a mid season parity adjustment?  Let alone 3.
Last I can recall is 2003. When the AU got a splitter extension.  Pointless given all the teams capable of winning races were in BA's.


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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Champin on June 17, 2019, 01:54:12 PM
I liked the old days when they didn't know how to spell parity. The minis use to pass everyone in the corners and the mustangs and camaros would take them on the straight.
Was exciting racing.

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Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: Bird on June 17, 2019, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: Champin
I liked the old days when they didn't know how to spell parity. The minis use to pass everyone in the corners and the mustangs and camaros would take them on the straight.
Was exciting racing.
x eleventy
with several makes and models

love the classes back then
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Hardie-Ferodo_500
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: alnjan on June 17, 2019, 02:54:26 PM
I liked the old days when they didn't know how to spell parity. The minis use to pass everyone in the corners and the mustangs and camaros would take them on the straight.
Was exciting racing.

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Agree, now they have to run one makers engine block and suspension
Title: Re: Supercars 2019
Post by: GeoffA on June 17, 2019, 06:24:46 PM
Agree, now they have to run one makers engine block and suspension

Do they??