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Title: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on January 03, 2019, 09:26:26 AM
Setting things up for "this" year ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on January 03, 2019, 09:34:14 AM
Would be nice to start it off with a nicer post, but ... :'(

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/mother-and-daughter-electrocuted-on-queensland-property/news-story/e6ba75e95033495d00044bb84da813ba (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/mother-and-daughter-electrocuted-on-queensland-property/news-story/e6ba75e95033495d00044bb84da813ba)

"Police said a family member had attached a cable from an electric fence to the bull bar of a semi-trailer to keep some horses from escaping.

It is believed the truck later became electrified when a battery charger was attached to the vehicle."

How?

Wouldn't a fence only be 12v, while the truck is probably (?) 24v? How do you get a double fatality out of that level of power (& yes, I know it's the amps that kills you, but surely it's all pretty low amperage?)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on January 03, 2019, 11:56:21 AM
Im no expert but i would think it would be something to do with the windings of the transformer in the electric fence, small voltage in, large voltage / small current out. Run it backwards and it would probably reverse the process. Im sure an expert will be along soon to clarify /destroy my theory

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on January 03, 2019, 12:06:43 PM
Would be nice to start it off with a nicer post, but ... :'(

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/mother-and-daughter-electrocuted-on-queensland-property/news-story/e6ba75e95033495d00044bb84da813ba (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/mother-and-daughter-electrocuted-on-queensland-property/news-story/e6ba75e95033495d00044bb84da813ba)

"Police said a family member had attached a cable from an electric fence to the bull bar of a semi-trailer to keep some horses from escaping.

It is believed the truck later became electrified when a battery charger was attached to the vehicle."

How?

Wouldn't a fence only be 12v, while the truck is probably (?) 24v? How do you get a double fatality out of that level of power (& yes, I know it's the amps that kills you, but surely it's all pretty low amperage?)


There's a couple of Capacitors in the energisers that take it upto about 7,000V (for example see the Thunderbird website http://www.thunderbird.net.au/solar.htm (http://www.thunderbird.net.au/solar.htm)) so that would go some way to explaining why they got zapped.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on January 03, 2019, 03:32:21 PM


Would be nice to start it off with a nicer post, but ... :'(

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/mother-and-daughter-electrocuted-on-queensland-property/news-story/e6ba75e95033495d00044bb84da813ba (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/mother-and-daughter-electrocuted-on-queensland-property/news-story/e6ba75e95033495d00044bb84da813ba)
So very sad.
He would be gutted,. :(



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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: D4D on January 03, 2019, 03:46:36 PM
Another case of the minority giving the majority a bad name...
https://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/firedup-locals-want-people-to-stop-trashing-the-idyllic-nine-mile-beach/news-story/a7edbb9c9becd2638c14e4c48f66c1a3 (https://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/firedup-locals-want-people-to-stop-trashing-the-idyllic-nine-mile-beach/news-story/a7edbb9c9becd2638c14e4c48f66c1a3)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on January 03, 2019, 04:06:04 PM
Another case of the minority giving the majority a bad name...
https://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/firedup-locals-want-people-to-stop-trashing-the-idyllic-nine-mile-beach/news-story/a7edbb9c9becd2638c14e4c48f66c1a3 (https://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/firedup-locals-want-people-to-stop-trashing-the-idyllic-nine-mile-beach/news-story/a7edbb9c9becd2638c14e4c48f66c1a3)
sadly it's not a minority....there are a bucket load of clowns out there giving 4wd owners a bad name. Why people think it's ok to leave rubbish around or even crap on the ground and have toilet paper blowing in the wind anywhere is beyond many of us, but you don't have to venture far to see any of that stuff occurring, thus I say it's due to more then a minority.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: glenm64 on January 03, 2019, 04:25:27 PM
Another case of the minority giving the majority a bad name...
https://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/firedup-locals-want-people-to-stop-trashing-the-idyllic-nine-mile-beach/news-story/a7edbb9c9becd2638c14e4c48f66c1a3 (https://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/firedup-locals-want-people-to-stop-trashing-the-idyllic-nine-mile-beach/news-story/a7edbb9c9becd2638c14e4c48f66c1a3)

Not sure its the minority anymore.
Last few times we went to free bush camps on waterways here they were all trashed. One was on a river, not only rubbish and broken glass everywhere, but the morons also seem to need to cut up everywhere with their 4wds, including the grassed river banks. And we dont have that many waterways here that can be accessed.
Others were on a dam and it was worse. Some did go to the trouble of bagging the rubbish, then chucking it in the bush. And its not just the tourists that do it. The younger locals can be just as bad.

But what really blows me way is on Australia Day they all carry on about Aussie pride. They've got none, just an excuse to get pissed, fight and bad mouth newly arriveds, who probably treat this country better than they do. Its what you do for this country the other 364 days that count.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 04, 2019, 09:18:19 AM
this'll slow things up... except marshmallows.


Fuel tanker carrying 35,000 litres of fuel on fire in Wollongong

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwBM8z-X4Ac4KVJ.jpg)

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2019/01/04/09/19/fuel-tanker-carrying-35000-litres-of-fuel-on-fire-wollongong (https://www.9news.com.au/national/2019/01/04/09/19/fuel-tanker-carrying-35000-litres-of-fuel-on-fire-wollongong)


WTF
"Two ambulance crews are on the scene and NSW Ambulance paramedics are assessing a male with singed arm hair."
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on January 04, 2019, 01:21:35 PM
Not an ideal start to year unfortunately for one family:
https://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/5835093/horror-on-highway-two-dead-two-injured-in-deadly-crash-update/?cs=12 (https://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/5835093/horror-on-highway-two-dead-two-injured-in-deadly-crash-update/?cs=12)

Quote
SPECIALIST crash investigators are trying to piece together the moments before a horrific accident near Walcha that claimed two lives and saw two others airlifted to hospital.

Emergency services were confronted with what’s been described as absolute carnage on the Oxley Highway near Yarrowitch on Thursday afternoon, after a car towing a caravan rolled about 1.15pm.

Rescuers including police, paramedics and the VRA worked frantically to free a woman trapped in the wreckage, which tragically claimed two other lives.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 04, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
Not an ideal start to year unfortunately for one family:
https://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/5835093/horror-on-highway-two-dead-two-injured-in-deadly-crash-update/?cs=12 (https://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/5835093/horror-on-highway-two-dead-two-injured-in-deadly-crash-update/?cs=12)

depends if it was the long undulating area, or coming out of the windy section... I wouldn't like to be towing on the Oxley through Longflat to Walcha...

On a bike, thats another story..
(https://motorbikewriter.com/content/uploads/2014/03/90.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on January 04, 2019, 01:39:45 PM
depends if it was the long undulating area, or coming out of the windy section... I wouldn't like to be towing on the Oxley through Longflat to Walcha...

On a bike, thats another story..
(https://motorbikewriter.com/content/uploads/2014/03/90.jpg)

The co pilot has banned me from going down the Oxley to the coast - we've done it once and that was enough... came back that time via Coffs and Dorrigo!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: D4D on January 04, 2019, 01:41:24 PM
Cry me a river, that's one of the things I hate about van parks, the 'entitled' permanents who think they're above everybody else.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/unhappy-gippsland-campers-face-losing-their-annual-camping-spots-20190103-p50pf8.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/unhappy-gippsland-campers-face-losing-their-annual-camping-spots-20190103-p50pf8.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on January 04, 2019, 02:10:03 PM
Cry me a river, that's one of the things I hate about van parks, the 'entitled' permanents who think they're above everybody else.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/unhappy-gippsland-campers-face-losing-their-annual-camping-spots-20190103-p50pf8.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/unhappy-gippsland-campers-face-losing-their-annual-camping-spots-20190103-p50pf8.html)
gotta agree, it’s public land not a privately owned business....open slather on a set date and first in best dressed I say.....Or maybe......because we did Flinders Beach on Straddie 2 years in a row in the same spot, we should be entitled to have that space every year, that’s a great idea 8)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: D4D on January 04, 2019, 03:04:06 PM
No more cautions...
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/new-fruit-fly-crackdown-means-a-375-fine-for-anyone-bringing-fruit-into-south-australia/news-story/b74fd8c8f6d8afed8c3dcb3523b01756 (https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/new-fruit-fly-crackdown-means-a-375-fine-for-anyone-bringing-fruit-into-south-australia/news-story/b74fd8c8f6d8afed8c3dcb3523b01756)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: achjimmy on January 04, 2019, 11:03:50 PM
Our legal fraternity really is a joke

Uber driver unsuspectingly delivers wanted woman to police after she passes out drunk in his car

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/uber-driver-unsuspectingly-delivers-wanted-woman-to-police-after-she-passes-out-drunk-in-his-car-20190104-p50pmh.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/uber-driver-unsuspectingly-delivers-wanted-woman-to-police-after-she-passes-out-drunk-in-his-car-20190104-p50pmh.html)

Police opposed Pierce’s bail application in court the next day, noting she had five previous warrants for failing to turn up at court, however Registrar Nicole Hoffman agreed to release Pierce on strict conditional bail given she was unlikely to receive jail time when sentenced.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 04, 2019, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: achjimmy
noting she had five previous warrants for failing to turn up at court, however Registrar Nicole Hoffman agreed to release Pierce on strict conditional bail given she was unlikely to receive jail time when sentenced.[/i]
it defies logic eh!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on January 05, 2019, 09:44:38 AM
gotta agree, it’s public land not a privately owned business....open slather on a set date and first in best dressed I say.....Or maybe......because we did Flinders Beach on Straddie 2 years in a row in the same spot, we should be entitled to have that space every year, that’s a great idea 8)
I agree it should be first in best dressed. Or they could set up a ballot system like they have (or at least had) at Rottnest Island in WA.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on January 05, 2019, 10:03:01 AM
I like that old mate is going to start a petition against the change...
He could probably do it on a post it note and still wouldn’t get enough signatures to fill the page... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on January 05, 2019, 10:54:57 AM
There's a couple of Capacitors in the energisers that take it upto about 7,000V (for example see the Thunderbird website http://www.thunderbird.net.au/solar.htm (http://www.thunderbird.net.au/solar.htm)) so that would go some way to explaining why they got zapped.


The 7,000 volt zap wouldn't be what killed them. As previously stated, it's very low current. It has to be something to do with connecting the Battery Charger to the vehicle, but beats me how or what. Geez, try repairing the old CRT TVs, they used to give up to 25,000V on the EHT line. Been zapped by them a few times too.

On the electric fence controllers, I have modified a couple of the earlier models, so they zap at about 4 to 5 times per second, instead of the once per second, for dog fences. The output spike is then only around 2,000V and is quite easy to hold the fence with bare hands and bare feet. Not real comfortable when you're hot and sweaty though LOL. The reason for modifying them is so that the dog doesn't get a chance to get over the fence without being zapped, which they will do at 1 zap per second. And the 7,000V to 8,000V zap is a bit hefty for a dog.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on January 05, 2019, 11:09:23 AM
The 7,000 volt zap wouldn't be what killed them. As previously stated, it's very low current. It has to be something to do with connecting the Battery Charger to the vehicle, but beats me how or what. Geez, try repairing the old CRT TVs, they used to give up to 25,000V on the EHT line. Been zapped by them a few times too.

On the electric fence controllers, I have modified a couple of the earlier models, so they zap at about 4 to 5 times per second, instead of the once per second, for dog fences. The output spike is then only around 2,000V and is quite easy to hold the fence with bare hands and bare feet. Not real comfortable when you're hot and sweaty though LOL. The reason for modifying them is so that the dog doesn't get a chance to get over the fence without being zapped, which they will do at 1 zap per second. And the 7,000V to 8,000V zap is a bit hefty for a dog.

Reading something from (I think) the ABC, it sounded more like there was a bit of unelecrtified fence run from the truck to a tree. I know some stock horses that won't go near a bit hot tape even if it's not hot so this is quite likely. I'm with you, I'm confused as to how it got electrified...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 05, 2019, 01:10:19 PM
I agree it should be first in best dressed. Or they could set up a ballot system like they have (or at least had) at Rottnest Island in WA.

not sure how the ballot systems work for camp sites...
but I can see them being fixed to let 'their' friends have the best sites year in year out too...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on January 05, 2019, 01:22:51 PM
The 7,000 volt zap wouldn't be what killed them. As previously stated, it's very low current. It has to be something to do with connecting the Battery Charger to the vehicle, but beats me how or what.

Reading something from (I think) the ABC, it sounded more like there was a bit of unelecrtified fence run from the truck to a tree. I know some stock horses that won't go near a bit hot tape even if it's not hot so this is quite likely. I'm with you, I'm confused as to how it got electrified...

This is what is getting me (although it doesn't help that every time they talk about they change some of the details ???)

They were in a "truck" (then reported as a semi-trailer & shown on the news as a drawing of a ute ???), parked & ran a "cable" (but no idea what sort of cable - fence electrified / fencing wire / 240v extension cord ???) from the (possibly electrified ???) fence to the bull-bar to tie the horses to / keep the horses away from the shed ???. At some later stage a "battery charger" was connected to the truck. Mum & daughter then came back, touched the cable & were both electrocuted. Dad arrived later & he also got a shock. Last night's news then also said that it showed the importance of having "safety switches" on all your power circuits ???

It sounds like the "battery charger" has somehow charged the entire truck, but how could it, unless they've actually somehow connected 240v direct to the battery ??? & what would a "safety switch" (presumably Earth Leakage ???) do ???

None of it makes any sort of sense at all ???

The only thing we know for sure is that two people are dead, which is an undoubted tragedy :'(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on January 05, 2019, 02:31:45 PM
not sure how the ballot systems work for camp sites...
but I can see them being fixed to let 'their' friends have the best sites year in year out too...
I’m assuming the sites are marked so everyone who wants to go in the draw puts in application for the site & period they want and the winners are drawn at random.
Or just change it like it is here in Qld, sites can only be booked up to 6 months in advance.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: kylarama on January 05, 2019, 03:03:04 PM

It sounds like the "battery charger" has somehow charged the entire truck, but how could it, unless they've actually somehow connected 240v direct to the battery ??? & what would a "safety switch" (presumably Earth Leakage ???) do ???


Wondering if the battery charger has been sat in the engine bay and then the bonnet closed.  The 240v lead then wedged and cut between the bonnet and guard or radiator support?

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on January 06, 2019, 07:20:32 AM
Wondering if the battery charger has been sat in the engine bay and then the bonnet closed.  The 240v lead then wedged and cut between the bonnet and guard or radiator support?

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Yes, I was thinking the same. So that all the other stuff about connecting to the fence, or the fence being electrified has bugger all to do with it.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on January 06, 2019, 02:06:09 PM
Ahh, that would make sense, so yes, the whole truck is live, so the cable from the bull-bar across to the fence is also live.

As you say Troopy, nothing at all to do with the fence itself.

Jeez, what are the chances ??? :'(

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on January 07, 2019, 08:55:17 AM
Ahh, that would make sense, so yes, the whole truck is live, so the cable from the bull-bar across to the fence is also live.

As you say Troopy, nothing at all to do with the fence itself.

Jeez, what are the chances ??? :'(

About the same amount of chances as when running a lead out of an aluminium framed sliding door, unfortunately. But people still do it.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on January 07, 2019, 10:34:54 AM
About the same amount of chances as when running a lead out of an aluminium framed sliding door, unfortunately. But people still do it.
apprentice on a job site I was on years ago got fried when the builders trailer he grabbed to get tools out of was live....the lead running to the trailer had a dodgey plug on it (or exposed wires or something), only thing that saved this kids life was when a tradie mate of mine (huge fella that worked part time as a bouncer in the good old days) saw it happening, he ran over and crashed tackled the kid off the trailer and saved his life. The kid ended up with cracked teeth and other ongoing health issues, but so nearly was his death onsite that day.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on January 07, 2019, 12:15:41 PM
Lying Cheating B17©H https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/wtf/dad-wins-447k-payout-after-wife-lied-about-paternity-of-their-three-kids/news-story/5dc0c56ccaa8489f78c40008a54d4e90 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/wtf/dad-wins-447k-payout-after-wife-lied-about-paternity-of-their-three-kids/news-story/5dc0c56ccaa8489f78c40008a54d4e90)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on January 07, 2019, 12:25:11 PM
Lying Cheating B17©H https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/wtf/dad-wins-447k-payout-after-wife-lied-about-paternity-of-their-three-kids/news-story/5dc0c56ccaa8489f78c40008a54d4e90 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/wtf/dad-wins-447k-payout-after-wife-lied-about-paternity-of-their-three-kids/news-story/5dc0c56ccaa8489f78c40008a54d4e90)

And what's the chances of her paying any of it. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on January 07, 2019, 01:55:12 PM
And what's the chances of her paying any of it.
She got a 7mil divorce settlement so should still have the lazy halfa mil, it's so messed up for both him and the kids, imagine finding out that your Dad isn't actually your Dad and that you Mum cheated on him for years and lied to you about who your father was  :(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on January 07, 2019, 02:00:47 PM
Maybe the kids will wake up, abandon their 'Mother'. Then go to the one that cares about them, for who they are
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on January 07, 2019, 02:08:19 PM
Just found this on the ABC

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-07/emergency-text-service-hacked-warning-about-personal-data-sent/10688748 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-07/emergency-text-service-hacked-warning-about-personal-data-sent/10688748)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on January 08, 2019, 10:35:30 PM
Slow to 40 KPH emergency vehicle rule claims a policeman this time .. Nice of the top cop  bloke to recognise its difficult to slow from 100 to 40 KPH safely in certain instances
 https://www.nbnnews.com.au/2019/01/08/police-to-review-new-speed-laws/?fbclid=IwAR2Id85U_vZXKOPLP_jeZ2jUwfoLBx0tzlvH4Z1Zzpa-3NNHNKDtkC4DT5I (https://www.nbnnews.com.au/2019/01/08/police-to-review-new-speed-laws/?fbclid=IwAR2Id85U_vZXKOPLP_jeZ2jUwfoLBx0tzlvH4Z1Zzpa-3NNHNKDtkC4DT5I)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on January 09, 2019, 06:07:35 AM
Slow to 40 KPH emergency vehicle rule claims a policeman this time .. Nice of the top cop  bloke to recognise its difficult to slow from 100 to 40 KPH safely in certain instances
 https://www.nbnnews.com.au/2019/01/08/police-to-review-new-speed-laws/?fbclid=IwAR2Id85U_vZXKOPLP_jeZ2jUwfoLBx0tzlvH4Z1Zzpa-3NNHNKDtkC4DT5I (https://www.nbnnews.com.au/2019/01/08/police-to-review-new-speed-laws/?fbclid=IwAR2Id85U_vZXKOPLP_jeZ2jUwfoLBx0tzlvH4Z1Zzpa-3NNHNKDtkC4DT5I)
Now they will spend millions trying to work out that this is the most stupid rule that was ever made law, being caught up in it twice now it wasn't hard to work out that it would kill people, probably those that the dumb arses were trying to protect

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on January 09, 2019, 07:51:37 AM
As the top-cop (& isn't he a fine study of a fit, healthy cop? >:D) said "slowing from 110 to 40 is too much" ::)

Instead of making it "reduce to 40", make it "reduce speed by 20 kph" when passing.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on January 09, 2019, 08:13:49 AM
40 would have been picked as it is survivable if you get hit. 90 isn't.
I don't know the answer, but if they have different lower limits depending on the speed most people will be so busy trying to work it out that they would have passed before slowing down.
Prior to this law a surprising number of police cars were crashed in to while stopped with lights going.  Bit like moths to a flame. It also cost of few their lives.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 09, 2019, 08:32:32 AM
how the **** does this happen
(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.731%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/w_780/t_sharpen%2Cq_auto%2Cf_auto%2Cdpr_auto/2c11fb22da86a98a192f6eceae2eb6c6847c92d3)

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/tullamarine-freeway-sign-falls-and-crushes-car-injuring-woman-20190109-p50qai.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/tullamarine-freeway-sign-falls-and-crushes-car-injuring-woman-20190109-p50qai.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on January 09, 2019, 08:39:43 AM
40 would have been picked as it is survivable if you get hit. 90 isn't.
I don't know the answer, but if they have different lower limits depending on the speed most people will be so busy trying to work it out that they would have passed before slowing down.
Prior to this law a surprising number of police cars were crashed in to while stopped with lights going.  Bit like moths to a flame. It also cost of few their lives.
Not sure what happened here, relatively straight stretch of road at highway speed, couldn't see any flashing lights on the footage. People do not drive defensively, they tailgate, do not look any distance up the road, read the traffic etc.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on January 09, 2019, 09:25:03 AM
how the **** does this happen
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/tullamarine-freeway-sign-falls-and-crushes-car-injuring-woman-20190109-p50qai.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/tullamarine-freeway-sign-falls-and-crushes-car-injuring-woman-20190109-p50qai.html)
By the chopper footage and just a guess but it looks like the tack welds used to hold the bracket in place during manufacture did a bloody good job holding that up there for 12 months

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on January 09, 2019, 10:40:54 AM
How do you get 'all the others are safe" when "we don't know how it happened"
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Merts on January 09, 2019, 10:42:26 AM
Slow to 40 KPH emergency vehicle rule claims a policeman this time .. Nice of the top cop  bloke to recognise its difficult to slow from 100 to 40 KPH safely in certain instances
 https://www.nbnnews.com.au/2019/01/08/police-to-review-new-speed-laws/?fbclid=IwAR2Id85U_vZXKOPLP_jeZ2jUwfoLBx0tzlvH4Z1Zzpa-3NNHNKDtkC4DT5I (https://www.nbnnews.com.au/2019/01/08/police-to-review-new-speed-laws/?fbclid=IwAR2Id85U_vZXKOPLP_jeZ2jUwfoLBx0tzlvH4Z1Zzpa-3NNHNKDtkC4DT5I)

I'm buggered if I know what that had to do with the reduce to 40km/hr rule. The driver swerved off the road. If people can't slow down whilst staying in their lane they shouldn't be allowed on the roads.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on January 09, 2019, 10:45:29 AM
Not sure what happened here, relatively straight stretch of road at highway speed, couldn't see any flashing lights on the footage. People do not drive defensively, they tailgate, do not look any distance up the road, read the traffic etc.
Looked like those 3 cars where traveling waaaaaaaay too close together.
First car taps the brakes right as he gets to the copper in the side of the road. Second car has no reaction time or braking room, so swerves to not run up the ass of the first car and inadvertently slams into the copper on the road shoulder.

The 100km/h to 40km/h in an instant is a ridiculously stupid rule.
I don’t have the answer, but that rule won’t be around for much longer.....
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 09, 2019, 11:10:00 AM
Quote from: Pete79
The 100km/h to 40km/h in an instant is a ridiculously stupid rule.
agree

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I don’t have the answer,
me either

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but that rule won’t be around for much longer.....
wouldn't be the first stupid rule to stick around.... someone has to admit they were wrong for that to happen.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 09, 2019, 01:04:24 PM
Lemons- $8.80 a kg ??? ???  WTF
https://www.theage.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/why-are-lemons-so-expensive-right-now-20190103-p50phr.html (https://www.theage.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/why-are-lemons-so-expensive-right-now-20190103-p50phr.html)


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: moeite on January 09, 2019, 01:49:56 PM
Lemons- $8.80 a kg ??? ???  WTF
https://www.theage.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/why-are-lemons-so-expensive-right-now-20190103-p50phr.html (https://www.theage.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/why-are-lemons-so-expensive-right-now-20190103-p50phr.html)


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I'm rich. I'm rich... :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on January 09, 2019, 02:11:11 PM
I'm rich. I'm rich... :cheers:

I bet you'll be left with a sour taste in your mouth when the arse falls out of the market.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on January 09, 2019, 02:24:16 PM
Produce of United States of America.  WTF. Can't we grow lemons, fruit that is...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on January 09, 2019, 02:43:58 PM
Produce of United States of America.  WTF. Can't we grow lemons, fruit that is...

Trumps gotta pay for his wall somehow....
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Merts on January 09, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
Produce of United States of America.  WTF. Can't we grow lemons, fruit that is...

We import lemons during our summer because they are seasonal fruits and they don't produce much in Australia this time of the year.
From about March onwards you will start seeing more locally grown lemons.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on January 09, 2019, 03:25:54 PM
Another brilliant govt decision.
https://www.9news.com.au/2019/01/09/14/55/niall-blair-hit-with-death-threats-over-mass-fish-death-at-menindee (https://www.9news.com.au/2019/01/09/14/55/niall-blair-hit-with-death-threats-over-mass-fish-death-at-menindee)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on January 09, 2019, 03:32:06 PM
Another brilliant govt decision.
https://www.9news.com.au/2019/01/09/14/55/niall-blair-hit-with-death-threats-over-mass-fish-death-at-menindee (https://www.9news.com.au/2019/01/09/14/55/niall-blair-hit-with-death-threats-over-mass-fish-death-at-menindee)


I am absolutely fuming over the devastation caused by f wit politicians who have no fn idea about their job and led by the nose by self interest groups keen on keeping their snout in the trough and looking for another way to make a buck.  I,ve been following the debacle of the water system now for several years and this is totally  the fault of the spineless govts(fed and state) as well as local waterboards.  I would have been much happier if all the people responsible for this sad occurence drowned in a bus accident in the river. Stuffing the country for all of us.  Those Murray Cod deserve better than the Shit for brains we have supposedly looking after our waterways......Its all gone very quiet about the billions of litres of stolen water...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hewy54 on January 09, 2019, 03:53:15 PM
Agree all the way Bigfish.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: ScarpsD40 on January 09, 2019, 07:43:53 PM
how the **** does this happen
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/tullamarine-freeway-sign-falls-and-crushes-car-injuring-woman-20190109-p50qai.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/tullamarine-freeway-sign-falls-and-crushes-car-injuring-woman-20190109-p50qai.html)
it’s what happens when the drugs and steroid injections wear off🤔

My lucky day, I drove under that sigh yesterday👍
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 10, 2019, 10:59:10 AM
Cant see this being true...


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A petrol station in Queensland is being slammed for selling fuel that was mostly water.

A customer filled up using E10 fuel at the Kearneys Spring Caltex only to have her car break down minutes after driving off.

She claims the fuel was 80 per cent water and 20 per cent fuel.

“Angry? Well you trust your servos don’t you? Well we put our trust in them to look after our cars and it gave me a day off work which I wasn’t happy about,” customer Donna Heinemann told 7 News.

Another furious customer posted a warning on a Toowoomba Facebook community group to other motorists.

“I broke down last Thursday about two minutes after fuelling up,” customer Kaileigh Elizabeth wrote on Facebook alongside a picture of a bottle filled with the fuel.

“The mechanic found 80 per cent of my fuel being water and 20 per cent fuel.”

Caltex said the E10 pumps at the store had been shut down while it investigates what happened. They said they would refund the petrol and pay for the cost of car repairs.

The company acknowledged the issue to The Chronicle newspaper and admitted “a small amount of water was detected in the tanks”.

“Caltex tests its E10 fuel daily and the presence of water is unusual. There have been no prior issues with water in E10 fuel at the Kearneys Spring site,” the spokesman told The Chronicle.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/drivers-furious-service-station-sells-petrol-made-mostly-water-235700519.html
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: KeithB on January 10, 2019, 12:15:12 PM
At least the major brands tend to stand by their product and make good if their fuel has been shown to cause problems. Dunno whether Pete the Petrol Pirate would do the same thing.
If there is a tiny hole in an underground tank, even with no fuel leak evident from the fuel reconciliation, and if the water table rises after a lot of rain water can enter the underground tank.
The water will tend to sit under the fuel and get picked up first by the bowser.
Keith
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on January 10, 2019, 12:33:01 PM
Actually that happened to me in the early 70's, in my old EH Holden. Got about half a k up the road, and and stopped dead. Saw water in the fuel bowl, walked back to the servo and got towed back. The tank was full, they drained it and found it was mostly water. The reason they gave was that they had used an independent tanker driver, and his tanker had been spiked??? sounded dodgy though. I reckon it was a leaky underground tank as KeithB said.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 10, 2019, 12:48:40 PM
hahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


'Flying' car in Macquarie Fields jumps into back of council truck


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https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/flying-car-in-macquarie-fields-jumps-into-back-of-council-truck/ar-BBS2pQg (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/flying-car-in-macquarie-fields-jumps-into-back-of-council-truck/ar-BBS2pQg)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on January 10, 2019, 01:09:32 PM
Got to be mind full filling up around here at times, As our brackish saltwater table is not much  more than a meter or so down, our local servo's tanks have so much water ballast in them to stop them floating out of the ground [ so I'm told ] ,  being so close to the river and sea ..
Had a few local servo's [ sites were  returned to vacant blocks for decontamination ] tanks rust and leach fuels into the sand / water table over the years ..one Shell servo site was being treated 24/7 for about 15 years, the old Mobil site was done twice for close to 5 or 6 years total and the BP depot was done the same for a number of years .
We never fuel up straight after the fuel trucks been or at the end of a very busy period as the fuel gets low, learnt our lesson, .
After we got 80lt of  fuel from that original Shell site [ Interesting to note its reopened as a new Shell servo again all these years later ]  and got about 2klm down the road and the motor stopped, Filled a 2 ltr coke bottle with fuel from the tank,  let it settle and about 3/4 of it was dirty water . They denied it and we never did get our money back ..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: mumbls on January 10, 2019, 04:54:32 PM
hahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


'Flying' car in Macquarie Fields jumps into back of council truck


(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBS2jIH.img?h=1080&w=1920&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f)

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/flying-car-in-macquarie-fields-jumps-into-back-of-council-truck/ar-BBS2pQg (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/flying-car-in-macquarie-fields-jumps-into-back-of-council-truck/ar-BBS2pQg)

I am so hanging for some video of this to surface  :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on January 10, 2019, 05:27:47 PM
Got to be mind full filling up around here at times, As our brackish saltwater table is not much  more than a meter or so down, our local servo's tanks have so much water ballast in them to stop them floating out of the ground [ so I'm told ] ,  being so close to the river and sea ..
Had a few local servo's [ sites were  returned to vacant blocks for decontamination ] tanks rust and leach fuels into the sand / water table over the years ..one Shell servo site was being treated 24/7 for about 15 years, the old Mobil site was done twice for close to 5 or 6 years total and the BP depot was done the same for a number of years .
We never fuel up straight after the fuel trucks been or at the end of a very busy period as the fuel gets low, learnt our lesson, .
After we got 80lt of  fuel from that original Shell site [ Interesting to note its reopened as a new Shell servo again all these years later ]  and got about 2klm down the road and the motor stopped, Filled a 2 ltr coke bottle with fuel from the tank,  let it settle and about 3/4 of it was dirty water . They denied it and we never did get our money back ..
They will only use water as ballast as a last resort edz, generally they will have a tanker onsite when they install new tanks especially if there is rain around, if they get caught and have to use water then they have to pump it out and use water dispersants before they can fill it with fuel, too much work. I have actually seen a tank come out of the ground because it was empty during heavy rain. Not sure what they use these days as i have been out of the industry for a lot of years now, but in my day we used to have either paste or tape that went on the bottom of the dipsticks and changed colour when submersed in water. We were never allowed more a couple of inches of water in the bottom of the tank before we had to take action. Got caught out once during a bad storm when we got a couple of feet of water in a tank, think from memory it was around twenty cars that had to be repaired because dufus forgot to dip the tanks when he started his shift,  wasnt a bad effort seeing we were principally a transport fuel depot

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: KeithB on January 10, 2019, 08:42:49 PM
After we got 80lt of  fuel from that original Shell site [ Interesting to note its reopened as a new Shell servo again all these years later ]  and got about 2klm down the road and the motor stopped, Filled a 2 ltr coke bottle with fuel from the tank,  let it settle and about 3/4 of it was dirty water . They denied it and we never did get our money back ..

Edz, that does surprise me. It might have been an independent operator carrying a Shell banner who may have been buying his fuel on the sly from someone other than Shell. That used to happen all the time. I am sure if you had contacted Shell's head office (maybe you did?) you would have got a different result. My experience (I published a trade magazine for servos for 30 years) has always been that the majors do stand by their product. That's why I still stick with major brands.
Keith
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 11, 2019, 07:07:04 AM
I am so hanging for some video of this to surface  :cheers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgzMNQjQVHk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgzMNQjQVHk)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 14, 2019, 07:09:29 AM
I see another music festival goer carked it on the week-end.

Good looking young girl, the world at her feet for the taking.
Well, that's never gunna happen now.

There's some slow learners out there who pay the ultimate price for some fun.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on January 14, 2019, 07:23:41 AM
I see another music festival goer carked it on the week-end.

Good looking young girl, the world at her feet for the taking.
Well, that's never gunna happen now.

There's some slow learners out there who pay the ultimate price for some fun.
I work in Parramatta so I had the pleasure of seeing these people attending the event.

Shocked to see parents dropping what I assume to be their kids off wearing basically nothing and I am talking young girls in G strings and bras. There were very little females dressed what I would call appropriately.
And I would estimate a large portion of the people I saw were already off their heads before they got there.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on January 14, 2019, 07:42:53 AM
May as well play Russian Roulette with one of these, Fancy buying something ilegal  of a total stranger  " trust me its good Shit it wont hurt you " or believe everything written on the internet and everything a politician says .. With everything out there in the media, Do these people live under a rock .
" Sheeple " .    Condolences to the family .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 14, 2019, 09:50:17 AM
Quote from: JusyApples
I work in Parramatta so I had the pleasure of seeing these people attending the event.

Shocked to see parents dropping what I assume to be their kids off wearing basically nothing and I am talking young girls in G strings and bras. There were very little females dressed what I would call appropriately.

My daughter is 14 going on 25... go shopping with a 14yr old... have a look at the clothes out there... Its mind blowing... There is hardly anything that doesn't make em look like hookers. And if there is anything else, they wont wear it as it makes them look like Nuns... There barely anything inbetween...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 14, 2019, 11:02:10 AM
Another one in the trough...


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The business partner of Liberal candidate for Granville, Tony Issa, did not declare to his employers at Parramatta Council he was taking a stake in a property slated for rezoning, and which his father would later buy and sell on the same day for a $1.25 million profit.

Six weeks after losing the seat of Granville at the March 2015 election, Mr Issa started a company with Antony Anisse, then a Liberal Party councillor in Hornsby who worked as a senior property development manager at Parramatta Council.

Their company almost immediately contracted to buy 39 Marion Street Parramatta, in an area that had two weeks earlier been mooted by the council for a large rezoning, and lodged a caveat to protect their interest in the site.

But Mr Issa and Mr Anisse’s company did not end up buying. Instead, their company removed its caveat from the property on the same day a company owned by Mr Anisse’s father Frank lodged a caveat on the latter. Frank Anisse's company then purchased the property on March 3, 2016 for $1.75 million, and transferred the title the same day to a company owned by developers Charlie Ayoub and Nedale Hamdan for $3 million.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/1-3m-one-day-property-profit-for-father-of-council-employee-20190111-p50quf.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/1-3m-one-day-property-profit-for-father-of-council-employee-20190111-p50quf.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on January 14, 2019, 11:22:22 AM
Another one in the trough...
Why else do people want to be councillors? It’s just a money making exercise for them and their developer mates


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bunyip on January 14, 2019, 11:34:17 AM
I see another music festival goer carked it on the week-end.

Good looking young girl, the world at her feet for the taking.
Well, that's never gunna happen now.

There's some slow learners out there who pay the ultimate price for some fun.

We had two in one week involving members of my family assisting.
1. Work Christmas party, son's flatmate goes out and parties. Son comes downstairs at mid-night to get a drink and there is flatmate gasping for air, then not gasping for air. Son did CPR on her (on the phone to 000) until the ambo's got there, he got her breathing again thank goodness.
2. Daughter goes to a music festival and the friend she goes with buggers off. Finally finds her in some random persons tent gasping for air. Daughter says "I know how this is going to go" and calls the ambos who got there at about the time she stopped breathing. Friends parents come and pick her up (which is what I would expect) then DROP HER BACK the next day!!!

Apparently a pill is approx. $25 and keeps you going for most of the night, grog was over $10 each drink. For some of the Darwin Award wannabe's this is a risk worth taking.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on January 14, 2019, 12:15:50 PM
I,m getting a bit sick of the victims being called kids. The majority are over 18. They are not braindead 14 year olds. I see that fugwit koche trying to put the wind up the NSW premier gladys whatever. He kept tcalling the victims kids. Dickheads, morons, f-wits ..yes...kids..NO.  They all know its illegal but say f -you...I,ll do what I want.   You get what you sow!!!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 14, 2019, 01:14:12 PM
Quote from: Bunyip
Apparently a pill is approx. $25 and keeps you going for most of the night, grog was over $10 each drink.
THIS! This is why..

The mixed drinks tax that is supposed to stop them from buying spirits and gettin smashed is working - they aren't buying booze and turning into alchos...
They are buying $25 pills that turn them into corpses... As someone asked earlier - is the music that ****in bad?

Bottles of water at some of these festivals are $12.00, not sure if they actually have beer/mixed at the festivals as I've never been to one... 
You can buy a 24 pack of bottles of water at the servo near home for $6.00 everyday...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on January 14, 2019, 01:46:34 PM
I'm not sure I understand the vitriol cast upon those that have used illicit pills and paid the ultimate price, wether they are under 18 or not makes no difference. They have made an ill considered decision and sadly the purveyors of these insidious drugs have gotten away with it.
Maybe our anger should be towards the manufactures and pushers of these pills rather than the casualty.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bunyip on January 14, 2019, 01:57:44 PM
THIS! This is why..

The mixed drinks tax that is supposed to stop them from buying spirits and gettin smashed is working - they aren't buying booze and turning into alchos...
They are buying $25 pills that turn them into corpses... As someone asked earlier - is the music that ****in bad?

Bottles of water at some of these festivals are $12.00, not sure if they actually have beer/mixed at the festivals as I've never been to one... 
You can buy a 24 pack of bottles of water at the servo near home for $6.00 everyday...

The festival my daughter went to was Falls and they were allowed to take in food, water and soft drinks, just no alcohol. As they could not take their cars off site once they had parked (until they were leaving) they were at the mercy of the organisers for alcohol purchases which of course meant inflated prices.

I think a reasonable quota of alcohol for over 18's would be more sensible.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 14, 2019, 02:05:40 PM
Two ways to look at everything.

1. If the idiots didn't take/swallow/inject/smoke drugs, the need to make and sell wouldn't be there.
2. If the cooks/suppliers/drug dealers weren't there, the idiots would have nothing to take/swallow blah blah.

I never smoked or took drugs as a young guy, as it was money I wanted to spend on my cars.
I guess i'm an addict too, one way or another... still playing in the sixties.

I didn't even drink all that often for the same reason, but every once and while, holy Shit, we'd have a bender.
For maybe 20 years, couldn't stand the smell of rum after one silly night.

I'd like to think, while the average young person these days is a bit smarter than you or I was/were, I reckon I/we was more street savvy and smarter in other ways.
These days, if one young person wore a potted rose bush on their head, all the others would follow.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bunyip on January 14, 2019, 02:07:50 PM
I'm not sure I understand the vitriol cast upon those that have used illicit pills and paid the ultimate price, wether they are under 18 or not makes no difference. They have made an ill considered decision and sadly the purveyors of these insidious drugs have gotten away with it.
Maybe our anger should be towards the manufactures and pushers of these pills rather than the casualty.

Hey Pottsy,

I don't disagree with you but it somewhat falls back to supply and demand for me. If the demand isn't there the supply will dry up. My anger is with the manufacturers, my frustration is with the users.

There was wide spread knowledge that particular pills were causing problems (I think they are called Orange Redbulls), however these guys were still taking them. At some point personal responsibility has to come into the discussion, unless someone held you down and forced a pill down your throat you had a choice, and you chose a known high risk path. The organisers of the festival actually had signs up all over the place "Don't take the orange pills".
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: krisandkev on January 14, 2019, 02:11:46 PM
I'm not sure I understand the vitriol cast upon those that have used illicit pills and paid the ultimate price, wether they are under 18 or not makes no difference. They have made an ill considered decision and sadly the purveyors of these insidious drugs have gotten away with it.
Maybe our anger should be towards the manufactures and pushers of these pills rather than the casualty.

Problem number one.  All dealers, suppliers, trafficers know how our Magistrates and Judgers are weak as and are there for the criminal and don't give a toss for the victims.  Major problem.  Kevin
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on January 14, 2019, 02:17:17 PM
Hey Pottsy,

I don't disagree with you but it somewhat falls back to supply and demand for me. If the demand isn't there the supply will dry up. My anger is with the manufacturers, my frustration is with the users.

There was wide spread knowledge that particular pills were causing problems (I think they are called Orange Redbulls), however these guys were still taking them. At some point personal responsibility has to come into the discussion, unless someone held you down and forced a pill down your throat you had a choice, and you chose a known high risk path. The organisers of the festival actually had signs up all over the place "Don't take the orange pills".

Yep, I don't disagree with the personal responsibility bit, same could be said for skydivers, rock climbers, drink and drug drivers, base jumpers etc. still like to think some empathy can be shown for the casualties and their families.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 14, 2019, 02:25:27 PM
Quote from: Pottsy
I'm not sure I understand the vitriol cast upon those that have used illicit pills and paid the ultimate price, wether they are under 18 or not makes no difference. They have made an ill considered decision and sadly the purveyors of these insidious drugs have gotten away with it.
Maybe our anger should be towards the manufactures and pushers of these pills rather than the casualty.

Personally I'd like to see those caught selling the pills forced to take the lot they are caught with all at once... saves a lot of money long term.

But its not like nobody knows this Shit can be deadly...
Maybe the people running these events should lower the price of the piss so people can have a good time - I like the suggestion by someone for a limit on how many drinks you can have. We had that at an event on Cronulla sharks field in the 80s with live bands and Shit - was awesome.. everyone had a few drinks and good times were had by all.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on January 15, 2019, 08:01:49 AM
We had two in one week involving members of my family assisting.

Hey Bunyip, good on your kids :cup:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bunyip on January 15, 2019, 09:04:58 AM
Hey Bunyip, good on your kids :cup:

Cheers, both have their heads screwed on almost right :)

I am now going to put all my kids through some basic first aid training just to make sure.

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on January 15, 2019, 10:36:40 AM
Wouldn't have happened in our day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzFongNGuQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzFongNGuQM)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: glenm64 on January 15, 2019, 06:05:11 PM
Cheers, both have their heads screwed on almost right :)


And the experience will hopefully reinforce the choices they have made, and the guidance you have given. Their a precious gift our kids, but we cant make their decisions for them. The best it was descibed to me was this.
they are like a coil spring held tight in your hand. You will eventually have to release it. Too quickly and it will take off in an irratic direction. Gently let them go bit by bit and hopefully they will be steady on their own when the time is right.

But even then some kids make mistakes, dispite a parents best effort. The peer pressure today is horrendous.
All these (insert what ever your view point is) kids that have died from taking a pill are someones child, that made the biggest mistake of their lives, literally. Hopefully none of us will get that call.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on January 15, 2019, 08:14:25 PM
Well said Glen, couldnt agree more. Like the spring explanation

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on January 16, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
WHEN POLITICS ONCE AGAIN HAS THE PUBLIC AS SUCKERS....

An investigation into the widespread faking of roadside breath tests by Victoria Police officers has found the practice was driven by "meaningless" targets that were at odds with the force's own road safety strategy.
Key points:

    New recruits were taught how to fake breath tests, the report found
    Officers were told to meet a target where 99.5 per cent of roadside breath tests would come back negative   WTF???????
    That target set by Victoria Police has "no reasonable or scientific basis", the report said

An internal police investigation revealed in May last year that more than 258,000 breath tests were estimated to have been falsified by officers in order to return negative readings.

Officers were either placing a finger over the straw entry hole of breath testing equipment, or blowing into the straw themselves.

The Transport Accident Commission (TAC) suspended $4 million of road safety funding in response to the issue, which prompted police to order an independent investigation.
New recruits taught to fake tests

That investigation, run by former chief commissioner Neil Comrie, has found that the practice of faking preliminary breath tests (PBTs) was an "ethical failure" and had been a long-running practice in the force.

An executive summary of Mr Comrie's report released by Victoria Police today said the practice was "widespread, impacting all regions and road policing operations and of longstanding duration".

"It has been a common experience for new recruits to be inducted into the practice early in their careers through instruction from more experienced members," the report said.

However, the report found the "root cause" of the practice was the force management's imposition of a target which stated that 99.5 per cent of all PBTs would return readings that showed drivers were not in excess of the legal alcohol limit.

The target, which was set in the Victoria Police budget, was regarded as "meaningless and unachievable" by many officers and had "no reasonable or scientific basis", according to the report.
Problem may extend beyond Victoria

It said many officers felt that the targets were at odds with their role in keeping the community safe as they were effectively being "instructed to avoid detecting impaired drivers".

The report also said that while it was initially estimated that 258,000 tests were faked, there was "no credible means" of accurately quantifying the number.

"It is probable that the number of these false tests may be significantly less than the initial estimation of 258,509," the report said.

The report said the targets were also not "in accordance" with Victoria Police's own road safety strategy and recommended a revision of the way TAC funds were used.

The investigation also found that fake breath testing is a problem "not confined to Victoria alone" and that similar incentives could be affecting the integrity of drug testing.

The report made 23 recommendations, all of which have been accepted by Victoria Police
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on January 16, 2019, 09:06:49 AM
It does make you wander how they determined 258000 breath tests have been falsified and in the manner nominated. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on January 16, 2019, 09:59:54 AM
It does make you wander how they determined 258000 breath tests have been falsified and in the manner nominated.

Comrie, historically, has been known to falsify information to suit his own agenda.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: krisandkev on January 16, 2019, 01:41:25 PM
Not that long ago in Qld each police district had to perform a certain number of breath tests each shift to reach a yearly total. That total being the number of licensed holders living in that district. Hard to reach if they had a busy shift of even harder if a breath test was positive. Crazy hey. But if you had to reach a certain target where would you go to conduct these tests?  A street where you might find drink drivers and not able to reach your target?  Or......   Kevin
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 17, 2019, 07:48:31 PM
Fresh water eh..

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Residents in a town north of Melbourne are buying up bottled water, because the water from their taps has turned brown.

The township of Avenel is sweltering through one of its hottest and driest Januaries on record, but its water supply has been contaminated.

Although residents have been assured the murky, brown water is safe to drink, residents including Leigh Eeles are now relying on bottled water.

“The water quality isn’t what we expected,” Mr Eeles said.

“It was similar to what river water looks like … Goulburn Valley Water said it’s fine, it won’t cause you any issues to drink it or shower in it, but we’re not drinking the water. We’ve got bottled water instead.”

In the middle of this month's heatwave, the water storage tanks at the nearby Seymour Water Treatment Plant failed.

As a result, authorities are diverting Avenel's water supply through a smaller, alternative pipe, while they work to fix the tanks.

"The increased demand along the service main has resulted in principally iron and manganese deposits being dislodged from inside of the pipe and being stirred up in the bottom of the low level Avenel storage, resulting in short term, minor discolouration of the supply in the reticulation system," Goulburn Valley Water quality manager Mark Putman said.

The murkiness of the water was exacerbated by an increased demand because of the heatwave, he said.

As a result, residents have been asked to restrict their water usage to "essential indoor" services.

A Water Department spokesman said the government was aware the water at Avenel was discoloured, but assured residents it was safe to drink.

“Victorians can have confidence that their water supply is properly managed and safe to drink,” the spokesman said.

“If customers have any concerns or questions about their water supply they should contact the relevant water authority.”

Avenel is a small town in central Victoria, 130 kilometres from Melbourne, with a population of 1000 people.

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https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/residents-of-victorian-town-buying-bottled-water-after-taps-run-brown-20190117-p50rzl.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/residents-of-victorian-town-buying-bottled-water-after-taps-run-brown-20190117-p50rzl.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on January 18, 2019, 09:26:28 PM
He must of had a grip on what he was doing.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-18/man-hospitalised-inject-semen-into-arm-to-cure-back-pain/10727310 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-18/man-hospitalised-inject-semen-into-arm-to-cure-back-pain/10727310)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on January 18, 2019, 09:39:34 PM
He must of had a grip on what he was doing.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-18/man-hospitalised-inject-semen-into-arm-to-cure-back-pain/10727310 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-18/man-hospitalised-inject-semen-into-arm-to-cure-back-pain/10727310)

Is that the Irish version of stem cell research?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: duncan on January 18, 2019, 09:45:37 PM
He must of had a grip on what he was doing.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-18/man-hospitalised-inject-semen-into-arm-to-cure-back-pain/10727310 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-18/man-hospitalised-inject-semen-into-arm-to-cure-back-pain/10727310)

Must’ve had a “stiff” back
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 19, 2019, 06:29:55 AM
After lifting a freezer on my own back in Sept, I've had a dicky back on and off ever since.

However, at no stage, did it occur to me to spank the monkey until I had a hand full of goop.
Then inject it into my arm to fix my Shitty back.

Maybe I need to think outside the square a bit more.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on January 19, 2019, 09:26:15 AM
After lifting a freezer on my own back in Sept, I've had a dicky back on and off ever since.

However, at no stage, did it occur to me to spank the monkey until I had a hand full of goop.
Then inject it into my arm to fix my Shitty back.

Maybe I need to think outside the square a bit more.

Dr Jeeepers Creepers Meat Injection, fixes whatever ails you!  :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 19, 2019, 02:44:01 PM
I'll betcha..... that guy has got his own arm up the duff.

Swelling, the heaves will come next and then he'll give birth to little baby arm.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on January 20, 2019, 08:19:14 AM
Lets see which would be more likely .   As its the lead up to mating season in a month or so ...  Kid runs at a few Dingo's,  younger dogs think theyre being played with and bite in play  .....   alpha dog reacts to being rushed at / attacked ....    Adult Dingo is protective towards younger pups and defends ?  or  Savage unprovoked  premeditated  lets take out this human type attack .
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-19/dingo-bites-child-on-fraser-island/10729680 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-19/dingo-bites-child-on-fraser-island/10729680)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on January 20, 2019, 09:02:59 AM
How's the undies?
https://youtu.be/NLZRJ112rZI
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on January 20, 2019, 09:18:35 AM
To bounce off the road like that, then take a tree out, that rock must have fallen one hell of a long way! :o
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on January 20, 2019, 10:02:21 AM
To bounce off the road like that, then take a tree out, that rock must have fallen one hell of a long way! :o
Bloody oath it has, sheeeesh.

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 20, 2019, 10:42:37 AM
Another one..

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A boy has been bitten on the leg by a dingo on Fraser Island after he was faced with a pack when he raced up a sand dune in Queensland.

The child was returning to a campsite with his family during their holiday when the attack happened about 6pm on Saturday.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dingo-bites-child-on-fraser-island-20190120-p50sgt.html (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dingo-bites-child-on-fraser-island-20190120-p50sgt.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 23, 2019, 04:06:08 PM
its been 224 days without a hit

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https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/montague-street-bridge-strikes-again-after-lying-dormant-for-224-days-20190123-p50t72.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/montague-street-bridge-strikes-again-after-lying-dormant-for-224-days-20190123-p50t72.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on January 24, 2019, 09:27:45 AM
Is the driver still sitting behind the wheel ???

Probably gunning it, thinking "She's a bit tight but I'll get through here"! >:D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 24, 2019, 09:57:46 AM
Quote from: Fizzie
Is the driver still sitting behind the wheel ???
Probably gunning it, thinking "She's a bit tight but I'll get through here"! >:D

This one did last year
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A truck made it to the other side in February 2018.Credit:Jason South
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 24, 2019, 01:33:02 PM
Speewa.. unplug one of your 20 fridges, your burning out the wiring

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/relief-centre-opened-near-nagambie-as-power-outage-hits-township-20190124-p50tdx.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/relief-centre-opened-near-nagambie-as-power-outage-hits-township-20190124-p50tdx.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 29, 2019, 09:01:31 AM
GO THE OLD BLOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahah

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A heroic pokies customer has thwarted two would-be armed robbers who smashed their way into a Melbourne venue carrying a machete and a metal pole.

Police are now hunting the pair and have released CCTV footage of the incident, showing the patron flooring one of the men with a right hook.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/heroic-customer-thwarts-armed-robbery-after-men-with-machete-metal-pole-smash-into-pokies-20190129-p50u7g.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/heroic-customer-thwarts-armed-robbery-after-men-with-machete-metal-pole-smash-into-pokies-20190129-p50u7g.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on January 29, 2019, 01:10:43 PM
GO THE OLD BLOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahah

Copped him a beauty didn't he LOL, even if it was a bit of a roundhouse. Had some oomph behind it.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on January 29, 2019, 04:57:33 PM
Copped him a beauty didn't he LOL, even if it was a bit of a roundhouse. Had some oomph behind it.
Yeah and the copper on the news down here says "we dont condone that type of response ", bloody hell the old guy gets hit with a marchetti and is suppose to just stand there and take it, the  punch was a good one if only he had made the kicks a bit harder

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on January 30, 2019, 08:58:00 AM
Copped him a beauty didn't he LOL, even if it was a bit of a roundhouse. Had some oomph behind it.

Would have been nice if the two other blokes in the background had then stepped in to lend a hand (or a foot!) >:D, & held him there waiting for :police:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on January 30, 2019, 09:14:19 AM
Standing S.O.P's in the event of Armed robbery :   
 Patron / Staff safety first  / Comply comply / eyes down  / observe discreetly / listen and take note of traits / the $$$ are insured / defend Patrons / Staff / yourself if attacked / You have the right to use any and all reasonable force,  to be able go home with the same amount of holes in you as you went to work with .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 30, 2019, 09:23:03 AM
Quote from: Fizzie
Would have been nice if the two other blokes in the background had then stepped in to lend a hand (or a foot!) >:D, & held him there waiting for :police:

yea I thought that too. I'd be only too happy to have stomped on his head a few times, maybe even pick up one of them steel chairs and smash **** out of it.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 30, 2019, 11:48:29 AM
what a shock, theres corruption in horse racing... Who'd have ever thunked it....

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/racing/police-raid-stables-of-horse-trainer-darren-weir-20190130-p50ugc.html (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/racing/police-raid-stables-of-horse-trainer-darren-weir-20190130-p50ugc.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on January 30, 2019, 12:34:58 PM
The hardest race to pick a winner is the Melbourne Cup.
And that is because they are all actually trying to win.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on January 31, 2019, 09:27:03 AM
Jeremy Clarkson's view on jeep drivers
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-31/jeremy-clarkson-and-the-grand-tour-accused-of-homophobic-jokes/10765562 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-31/jeremy-clarkson-and-the-grand-tour-accused-of-homophobic-jokes/10765562)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 31, 2019, 09:32:55 AM
Quote from: rags
Jeremy Clarkson's view on jeep drivers
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-31/jeremy-clarkson-and-the-grand-tour-accused-of-homophobic-jokes/10765562 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-31/jeremy-clarkson-and-the-grand-tour-accused-of-homophobic-jokes/10765562)
I see no problem with it  :cup:
As if the Top gear dudes would be the first to have ever made the jokes on tele.. JOKES PEOPLE - HUMOUR - REMEMBER WE USED TO HAVE THAT INSTEAD OF WAKING UP AND YOUR SOLE INTENTION FOR THE DAY IS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO BE OFFENDED BY???

then again who the **** is Will Young and why should I give a **** what he/she/they/it/something.undefined thinks?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on January 31, 2019, 10:12:52 AM
I see no problem with it  :cup:
As if the Top gear dudes would be the first to have ever made the jokes on tele.. JOKES PEOPLE - HUMOUR - REMEMBER WE USED TO HAVE THAT INSTEAD OF WAKING UP AND YOUR SOLE INTENTION FOR THE DAY IS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO BE OFFENDED BY???

then again who the **** is Will Young and why should I give a **** what he/she/they/it/something.undefined thinks?
I have a Jeep Wrangler and this doesn’t offend me at all. I have a feeling this bloke who I have never heard of probably gets offended a lot. Like the blokes in my office are always putting up pictures of pink jeeps etc. yet I point out that 4 of them drive Toyota Klugers the ultimate soccer mums car. It’s just banter


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on January 31, 2019, 10:31:32 AM
Quote from: JusyApples
It’s just banter

Bingo... like Holden / Ford, etc..

Just not sure why there are people whose sole objective in life is to wake up and find something to be offended by and become SJW of the Day. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on January 31, 2019, 10:37:49 AM
JOKES PEOPLE - HUMOUR - REMEMBER WE USED TO HAVE THAT

Thats from the days before facebook gave everyone an opportunity to be offended by everything
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: briann532 on January 31, 2019, 05:36:40 PM
Why is offended???

If he doesn't like their comments or their show, DON'T WATCH IT!!!
I don't like dancing with the stars, so I don't watch it.
I don't like pickled onions so I don't eat them. But if some does it doesn't offend me.

Where the hell will all this PC BS end???
For gods sake take a joke.

I reckon the pretty little twat is just after some attention as he obviously isn't in the limelight.

Rant over.
Brian
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on January 31, 2019, 05:48:08 PM
I reckon the pretty little twat is just after some attention as he obviously isn't in the limelight.

And I'll bet he drives a Jeep  >:D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 01, 2019, 09:26:40 AM
Quote from: Spada
And I'll bet he drives a Jeep  >:D

are you sure its a He ?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 01, 2019, 09:43:00 AM
WTF?
Quote
Police are investigating a shocking attack on a disabled man by three teenage girls in Adelaide's northern suburbs.

In disturbing vision provided to 9News, the young man is shown lying on the ground, cradling his head and crying as the offenders kick and punch him while screaming at him.

The person who provided the two-minute video told 9News the man being attacked has a disability.

After about one minute, the man attempts to stand up and the female attackers demand the password to his mobile phone.

He is then beaten to the ground again by one of the attackers, who unleashes a tirade of foul language at her victim while the other girls are heard laughing at what is unfolding.

In the vision, one of the attackers appears to be wearing a Playford International College uniform.

9News contacted the state education department, which confirmed that although the incident occurred outside of school grounds, they are making enquiries to identify the students involved.

https://www.9news.com.au/2019/01/31/19/37/sa-news-disabled-man-attacked-by-three-girls-in-adelaide-northern-suburbs?fbclid=IwAR0QJl64nPCg8Mcrwk86_xZJG1BnkKAilFNU9D5bjvm3bOx7l05rYAISAF0 (https://www.9news.com.au/2019/01/31/19/37/sa-news-disabled-man-attacked-by-three-girls-in-adelaide-northern-suburbs?fbclid=IwAR0QJl64nPCg8Mcrwk86_xZJG1BnkKAilFNU9D5bjvm3bOx7l05rYAISAF0)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on February 01, 2019, 09:48:38 AM
WTF?

can we add another WTF for the worm that filmed this, and didn't help?

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 01, 2019, 10:07:54 AM
Quote from: paceman
can we add another WTF for the worm that filmed this, and didn't help?
x trillions. actually what mate said who sent it...  A good right boot to the jaw would have sufficed.

but as usual in this Shit modern world, more important to video Shit happening
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on February 01, 2019, 10:41:14 AM
can we add another WTF for the worm that filmed this, and didn't help?
my guess is that one of thier mates filmed it, then it’s been shared amongst thier friends as the scum think it’s funny, and likely someone with a shread of decency or a gripe against the scum who’s seen it has then passed it on to nine news to hopefully get them in trouble, but more likely try and make money from it.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on February 01, 2019, 10:48:05 AM
my guess is that one of thier mates filmed it, then it’s been shared amongst thier friends as the scum think it’s funny, and likely someone with a shread of decency or a gripe against the scum who’s seen it has then passed it on to nine news to hopefully get them in trouble, but more likely try and make money from it.

understand that part... hardly any mention of how disgraceful the filming was, as well as the actually assault...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on February 01, 2019, 10:54:58 AM
WTF?

Would have to be fake news, no male violence or is it due to gender fluidity, they were identifying as male therefore being violent.   >:( >:(


Some people are just make better arseholes then others. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on February 01, 2019, 11:35:38 AM
Yeah, imagine if  a guy had of gone in to break it up.
The footage wouldnt have been released and the guy would be doing time for violence against women. 

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on February 01, 2019, 12:06:10 PM
The Skanks wont be that hard to find, They will be lording themselves up all over Face twit to their mates about what they've done ..
In my line of work  Face crap  has been very helpful     ;), Idiots put everything you could think of on there .  8)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on February 02, 2019, 09:50:06 AM
Would have to be fake news, no male violence or is it due to gender fluidity, they were identifying as male therefore being violent.   >:( >:(


Some people are just make better arseholes then others.

There was another similar incident in Victoria about 12 months ago.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/17yearold-disabled-girl-was-tortured-and-attacked-by-three-teenage-girls/news-story/fe16753140e082108a7036d7e933c771 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/17yearold-disabled-girl-was-tortured-and-attacked-by-three-teenage-girls/news-story/fe16753140e082108a7036d7e933c771)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on February 02, 2019, 02:20:35 PM
There was another similar incident in Victoria about 12 months ago.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/17yearold-disabled-girl-was-tortured-and-attacked-by-three-teenage-girls/news-story/fe16753140e082108a7036d7e933c771 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/17yearold-disabled-girl-was-tortured-and-attacked-by-three-teenage-girls/news-story/fe16753140e082108a7036d7e933c771)

The assailants are known by the victim, police are following up, hopefully these bi...es will get their come uppance.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 02, 2019, 04:10:03 PM
Quote from: Pottsy
The assailants are known by the victim, police are following up, hopefully these bi...es will get their come uppance.

they been charged, and probably given a stern finger waving... Hopefully someone will do the same to each and every one of them.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on February 02, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
Brisbane airport in lock down due to bomb threat, apparently the madman was upset that red rooster put bacon on his chicken burger.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-02/brisbane-airport-evacuated-due-to-emergency-situation/10774522 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-02/brisbane-airport-evacuated-due-to-emergency-situation/10774522)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 03, 2019, 09:54:25 AM
This puts a whole new meaning on the phrase.... "fancy a cold one?"

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/birmingham-burglar-jailed-for-six-years-for-sex-with-corpse/news-story/1ec62e288038d813ab8da960408393e5 (https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/birmingham-burglar-jailed-for-six-years-for-sex-with-corpse/news-story/1ec62e288038d813ab8da960408393e5)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on February 03, 2019, 10:06:10 AM
This puts a whole new meaning on the phrase.... "fancy a cold one?"

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/birmingham-burglar-jailed-for-six-years-for-sex-with-corpse/news-story/1ec62e288038d813ab8da960408393e5 (https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/birmingham-burglar-jailed-for-six-years-for-sex-with-corpse/news-story/1ec62e288038d813ab8da960408393e5)

No virgins in paradise for him!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on February 05, 2019, 03:13:38 PM
whoops - already posted elsewhere. I'm too slow. apologies for the double up.
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Hmm. Karma perhaps?
They attempt to break into Dan Murphys during the Townsville floods.....Then try to evade the police by jumping into floodwaters.....  oops...wrong decision....

https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/townsville/two-bodies-reportedly-found-in-townsville-stormwater-drain/news-story/757c61e3f558bedda68aefc9adffaea5?fbclid=IwAR03MxX80Fe7V8nI2otArvHap3NciMkg92Swi1yg4uiCR1c8F-S0KW-Sk7g (https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/townsville/two-bodies-reportedly-found-in-townsville-stormwater-drain/news-story/757c61e3f558bedda68aefc9adffaea5?fbclid=IwAR03MxX80Fe7V8nI2otArvHap3NciMkg92Swi1yg4uiCR1c8F-S0KW-Sk7g)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on February 05, 2019, 03:35:49 PM
whoops - already posted elsewhere. I'm too slow. apologies for the double up.
-------------------------------
Hmm. Karma perhaps?
They attempt to break into Dan Murphys during the Townsville floods.....Then try to evade the police by jumping into floodwaters.....  oops...wrong decision....

https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/townsville/two-bodies-reportedly-found-in-townsville-stormwater-drain/news-story/757c61e3f558bedda68aefc9adffaea5?fbclid=IwAR03MxX80Fe7V8nI2otArvHap3NciMkg92Swi1yg4uiCR1c8F-S0KW-Sk7g (https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/townsville/two-bodies-reportedly-found-in-townsville-stormwater-drain/news-story/757c61e3f558bedda68aefc9adffaea5?fbclid=IwAR03MxX80Fe7V8nI2otArvHap3NciMkg92Swi1yg4uiCR1c8F-S0KW-Sk7g)

I,m stuck in Airlie Beach at the moment waiting for water to go down so I can head home.  Saw the news last night about the scum bag looters.  At this stage they tried to loot Dan Murph,ys store but bolted when cops turned up.  Now the looters have been found dead through their own greed and stupidity.  No sympathy at all for them. Two more  that were willing to prey on the misfortunes of others.  Karma for sure..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: krisandkev on February 06, 2019, 11:48:26 AM
Reading the Qld Courier Mail today, this follows on about mindless people taking drugs at festivals. Headlines - Party over for ecstacy dealers.  Judge's warning over festival deaths.


Two females had admitted supplying 619 pills to friends over ten months. (imagine the true amount) They on sold but did not make a profit because they were users. In otherwords they used the profit to supply themselves. Is't that just as bad?  Yep the judge was not happy with them.  Wholly-suspended 2 1/2 year prison term.  Yep got off free.  Then the report says the person who supplied them, so the big dealer, was on a suspended 3 year term!  So not only they women got off, the big supplier also got off.  I got to stop reading the news.  And there are calls to legalise drugs because we are losing the war.  What war.  Kevin


Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on February 06, 2019, 01:31:06 PM
Fixed it for you Kev
 
[quote  ]
 The women got off, The Big supplier got off. Every other player in the chain got off . The bent Law Officials got paid off and the Dummy Players  got Killed off and the Do nothing Public got pissed off ..
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Introduce an updated  version of Rule : 303 ..  Arrested and Sentenced under Rule : 7.62  Footage to be released on all media to get the message out . Might open a few eyes and clear a few foggy heads .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 07, 2019, 01:49:53 PM
FFS, imagine Speewa on this stuff

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This is the challenge for an industry seeking to win over new or inexperienced users as legalisation spreads through North America and around the world.

It's a particularly daunting one for makers of cannabis-infused beverages, which are keen to participate in a category that researcher Canaccord Genuity Group expects will be worth $US600 million in the US alone by 2022.

That market potential has attracted several big alcohol companies that are seeking to offset declining beer consumption with the next big thing. The best-known partnership is Constellation Brands's 38 per cent stake in Canopy Growth Corp., the largest cannabis firm by market value, for which it paid about $US4 billion.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/markets/pot-of-gold-brewers-are-racing-to-make-weed-as-easy-to-drink-as-beer-20190207-p50w73.html (https://www.theage.com.au/business/markets/pot-of-gold-brewers-are-racing-to-make-weed-as-easy-to-drink-as-beer-20190207-p50w73.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on February 07, 2019, 04:21:51 PM
Making weed as easy to drink as beer Huh .. Seem to remember many many years ago one of our Army officers brewing weeds [ Stinging nettle ]  at the start of an exercise for us to enjoy a nettle infused beer at the end of it, wasnt too bad a drop either, well a lot better than warm plastic tainted canteen water .. ;D   
If anyones interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXbxPTSDtmM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXbxPTSDtmM)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on February 07, 2019, 04:49:53 PM
FFS, imagine Speewa on this stuff
Another spin off will be the increase in snack sales cos of the munchies. :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on February 07, 2019, 06:57:00 PM
Making weed as easy to drink as beer Huh .. Seem to remember many many years ago one of our Army officers brewing weeds [ Stinging nettle ]  at the start of an exercise for us to enjoy a nettle infused beer at the end of it, wasnt too bad a drop either, well a lot better than warm plastic tainted canteen water .. ;D   
If anyones interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXbxPTSDtmM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXbxPTSDtmM)

That's a bit up-market than an Orchy bottle....  8)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on February 07, 2019, 07:15:54 PM
Terrible stuff that Orchy was too, No wonder they used the bottles for Bongs ..  Juice was enough for me, never been into the smoke .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: kylarama on February 07, 2019, 10:42:30 PM
Looks like General Motors Detroit has had enough of Australia.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news/holden-owner-general-motors-to-leave-australia

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 08, 2019, 05:21:22 PM
Jesus H Christ, it looks like some serious storms for the southern states tonight.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on February 08, 2019, 11:13:16 PM
Jesus H Christ, it looks like some serious storms for the southern states tonight.
Yup...my poor car (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190208/c3254587dd72087665d6d387ccc5ebdd.jpg)


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on February 08, 2019, 11:21:23 PM
Its a Jeep, its meant to be in the bush, All jokes aside hope its only minor  damage and everything / one / else is ok .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on February 09, 2019, 08:44:00 AM
Its a Jeep, its meant to be in the bush, All jokes aside hope its only minor  damage and everything / one / else is ok .
Yeah looks like just a new bonnet. A lot of other cars were drowned so I got off lightly


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 09, 2019, 04:33:10 PM
Jesus H Christ, it looks like some serious storms for the southern states tonight.
complete roof off 1 house ripped off and airborne 50mtrs down teh road....

and another one due tonight...
thank **** i got an early flight out yesterday!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 11, 2019, 02:03:12 PM
This one did last year
(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.214%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_108/t_crop_custom/w_1024/t_sharpen%2Cq_auto%2Cf_auto%2Cdpr_auto/e0b67454da64ba3c3bb86102d7f8d167e925e9e1)
A truck made it to the other side in February 2018.Credit:Jason South
and another!!

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/tourist-in-campervan-the-latest-montague-street-bridge-victim-20190211-p50wzc.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/tourist-in-campervan-the-latest-montague-street-bridge-victim-20190211-p50wzc.html)

(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1.765%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/w_788/q_86%2Cf_auto/cc8b2f3faa03fac2f16b80f047d2bf76c2f10c55)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on February 11, 2019, 07:34:05 PM
And so the truck driver said, now how wide did they say the load was? Good thing it got stuck as it looks like it may have also too tall for the overhead bridge.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/trucks-wide-load-blocks-major-nsw-highway/news-story/e4168b1711f566372f76e5cb7d41d91d[/url (https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/trucks-wide-load-blocks-major-nsw-highway/news-story/e4168b1711f566372f76e5cb7d41d91d)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on February 12, 2019, 07:48:19 AM
"after the truck’s load shifted and became wedged between barriers."

From the look of the photo's, no way was it ever going to fit through that gap ???

& seeing that it's round, how would the load shifting effect the width ???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 12, 2019, 08:45:49 AM
Quote from: Fizzie
& seeing that it's round, how would the load shifting effect the width ???

it may have been on an angle instead of flat on the deck.

(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.204%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_43/t_crop_custom/w_788/q_86%2Cf_auto/80f59be50fb7556edc2142bcf7e64b59bb6165d4)


Wallsend MP Hornery Sonia urged RMS to "thoroughly investigate what went wrong here".
"Someone has messed up because it is obvious that the truck was never going to fit across that bridge," she said.
"Someone needs to be held accountable and the details made public."


https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/truck-with-big-load-gets-wedged-on-nsw-highway-causing-traffic-chaos-20190211-p50x31.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/truck-with-big-load-gets-wedged-on-nsw-highway-causing-traffic-chaos-20190211-p50x31.html) front view
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on February 12, 2019, 08:57:57 AM
and another!!



(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1.765%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/w_788/q_86%2Cf_auto/cc8b2f3faa03fac2f16b80f047d2bf76c2f10c55)

Apparently a international licence holder who could not read the signage.
How can he even be on the road.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: doc evil on February 12, 2019, 09:00:27 AM
and another!!

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/tourist-in-campervan-the-latest-montague-street-bridge-victim-20190211-p50wzc.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/tourist-in-campervan-the-latest-montague-street-bridge-victim-20190211-p50wzc.html)

(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1.765%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/w_788/q_86%2Cf_auto/cc8b2f3faa03fac2f16b80f047d2bf76c2f10c55)

Why is there someone's head hanging out the window????????
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 12, 2019, 09:06:37 AM
Why is there someone's head hanging out the window????????
(http://limewedge.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Dog2.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 12, 2019, 03:41:58 PM
I wonder if any of our judicial system have ever seen this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uoXF6nd45w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uoXF6nd45w)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 12, 2019, 03:42:26 PM
Interesting.

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Win for local mechanics with plan to make world's car makers share high tech data


Global car makers will be compelled to provide tens of thousands of Australian mechanics with the technical information needed to fix increasingly computerised modern vehicles, under a new plan being developed by the federal government.

The Morrison government on Tuesday released a consultation paper for a mandatory information-sharing scheme between international automakers and Australia’s independent repair and service sector. It comes after an investigation by the national competition watchdog found car manufacturers were often withholding the computerised information from mechanics outside their own dealership networks.


The government said the plan would provide consumers with genuine choice about where they have their cars repaired and would help create a “level playing field” between large repairers linked to car manufacturers and the 30,000 independent repairers “run by hardworking Australians”.

“More choice and more competition will put downward pressure on the cost of vehicle repairs, ensuring the best deal for families when getting their car repaired,” Assistant Minister for Finance and Treasury Zed Seselja said, “and that’s what the sharing of this information will deliver.”

But a motor trades group, the Victorian Automobile Chamber of Commerce, on Tuesday said it was disappointed with what it said was the consultation paper's lack of urgency, detail and penalties for failing to comply, arguing the code should be further advanced following years of investigation and industry submissions.

"It looks like a positive development that both sides of government have said it's a good idea, but it looks as though we are starting from zero," VACC chief executive Geoff Gwilym said.

"Why  does the government have a discussion paper on something that’s been in discussion for years?"

Steven Grocl, of J&F Motors in Richmond, which services about 10-15 vehicles a day, said problems from manufacturers' refusing to provide information was becoming more pronounced every year as cars became increasingly computerised and complex.

Traditionally, he said, information to repair and service cars was provided in manuals, but today, real-time access to digital files and codes, which vary from car to car, is needed to complete many aspects of a repair or service.

"Going back 15-20 years, cars were much simpler, the information required to fix them was written information you could find in a book, 100 pages' long, which you could purchase ... and with a few basic hand tools you could fix a vehicle," Mr Grocl said.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/win-for-local-mechanics-as-world-s-car-makers-forced-to-share-high-tech-data-20190212-p50x8k.html (https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/win-for-local-mechanics-as-world-s-car-makers-forced-to-share-high-tech-data-20190212-p50x8k.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bunyip on February 13, 2019, 11:25:02 AM
"Why  does the government have a discussion paper on something that’s been in discussion for years?"

Because Governments do what Governments do  ???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on February 13, 2019, 04:27:15 PM
Because Governments do what Governments do  ???
And they anounce they are going to look at ways to protect consumers becuase there is an election on the horizon.

Give it a couple of months and the discussion paper will be found to be inconslusive/not practical to implement/bad for the economy/allow more refugees into the country/raise the cost of living and the proposal will get shelved for another 2.75 years....
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 13, 2019, 04:31:48 PM
And they anounce they are going to look at ways to protect consumers becuase there is an election on the horizon.

Give it a couple of months and the discussion paper will be found to be inconslusive/not practical to implement/bad for the economy/allow more refugees into the country/raise the cost of living and the proposal will get shelved for another 2.75 years....
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on February 16, 2019, 02:04:09 PM
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-the-politics-of-people-smuggling/news-story/c17102c44e0b03fd94ba55495e8d8166 (https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-the-politics-of-people-smuggling/news-story/c17102c44e0b03fd94ba55495e8d8166)

Great article, Morrison would be hoping the boats start up again.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on February 16, 2019, 03:50:31 PM
NSW now stopping rego's if essential recalls aren't carried out:
https://www.drive.com.au/news/nsw-bans-car-fitted-with-faulty-takata-airbags-120782 (https://www.drive.com.au/news/nsw-bans-car-fitted-with-faulty-takata-airbags-120782)

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The State Government has issued a statement outlining an immediate ammendment to the Road Transport Act 2013, allowing Roads and Maritime Services to "refuse to register a registrable vehicle if the Authority is satisfied that the vehicle, or any part of the vehicle, is subject to a recall notice under section 122 of the Australian Consumer Law".
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JD-120 on February 16, 2019, 04:03:45 PM
Ffs, now I have to remember to do recalls and renewals. How does one manage all this responsibility

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on February 16, 2019, 04:43:13 PM
NSW now stopping rego's if essential recalls aren't carried out:
https://www.drive.com.au/news/nsw-bans-car-fitted-with-faulty-takata-airbags-120782 (https://www.drive.com.au/news/nsw-bans-car-fitted-with-faulty-takata-airbags-120782)
Already in place in SA, Takata has them running scared.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 19, 2019, 07:47:13 PM
This is interesting

https://www.drive.com.au/news/nissan-finds-new-life-for-leaf-batteries-120796.html (https://www.drive.com.au/news/nissan-finds-new-life-for-leaf-batteries-120796.html)


Nissan wants to help you get off the grid.

Not because it doesn’t trust the government, but because the Japanese car giant has found a new life for used batteries from its old electric cars. The car maker has teamed up with caravan constructor, Opus, to utilise first generation Nissan Leaf batteries as power sources for your next camping holiday.

(https://carimages.com.au/GQRwl2cR9JAnbGrfsJgQhwCQrD4=/fit-in/1200x675/filters:stretch(FFFFFF)/editorial/2019/Feb/nissan-airopus-058-source.jpg)

The Nissan Energy Roam is a small, waterproof power pack developed with the old lithium-ion Leaf batteries which can be installed on an Opus camper to provide power. Nissan claims the Roam can store up to 700Wh, which then powers the Opus 12-volt on-board electrical system.

The companies claim the technology can provide enough power for seven days of off-the-grid camping.

Nissan sees the camper as just one potential application for the Energy Roam, which it believes is a sustainable way to recycle batteries as electric vehicle numbers increase over time.

"Nissan's leadership in energy services means we are not only transforming the way people drive, but also the way we live,” explained Francisco Carranza, Nissan Energy managing director.

“The Nissan x Opus concept is a real-world example of how Nissan Energy Roam can integrate into our lifestyles – in this case the hugely popular leisure activity of camping.

"Our customers already have the ability to take control of their energy use at home through Nissan's residential storage solutions.

“Now we can give them complete independence to experience 'off-grid' adventures. The new Nissan Energy Roam can deliver clean, sustainable power to the most remote of locations, and be enjoyed by everyone.”
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on February 21, 2019, 07:33:38 PM
how much fuel would a jet need to fly 60km?
https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/20/22/54/jet-fighter-forced-to-make-emergency-landing-at-brisbane-airport (https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/20/22/54/jet-fighter-forced-to-make-emergency-landing-at-brisbane-airport)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on February 21, 2019, 08:18:17 PM
how much fuel would a jet need to fly 60km?
https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/20/22/54/jet-fighter-forced-to-make-emergency-landing-at-brisbane-airport (https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/20/22/54/jet-fighter-forced-to-make-emergency-landing-at-brisbane-airport)
Apparently Economy = 0.17km / litre, so about 350L for 60km. So about the same as Jeeper’s caddy I suspect ;D

https://www.aircraftcompare.com/helicopter-airplane/f-18-super-hornet/15 (https://www.aircraftcompare.com/helicopter-airplane/f-18-super-hornet/15)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 22, 2019, 04:15:40 AM
Yeah, that sounds about right.  8)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on February 22, 2019, 06:43:51 AM
how much fuel would a jet need to fly 60km?
https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/20/22/54/jet-fighter-forced-to-make-emergency-landing-at-brisbane-airport (https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/20/22/54/jet-fighter-forced-to-make-emergency-landing-at-brisbane-airport)



Someones going to get a kick up the bum, unless there is a genuine reason for a fuel leak  ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 22, 2019, 10:37:35 AM
This could be bad for stocks


China confirms ban of Australian coal imports
February 22, 2019 — 8.50am
Beijing: Customs at China's northern port of Dalian has banned imports of Australian coal and will cap overall coal imports from all sources for 2019 at 12 million tonnes, an official at Dalian Port Group has told Reuters.

The indefinite ban on imports from top supplier Australia, effective since the start of February, comes as major ports elsewhere in China prolong clearing times for Australian coal to at least 40 days.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-confirms-ban-of-australian-coal-imports-20190222-p50zhw.html (https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-confirms-ban-of-australian-coal-imports-20190222-p50zhw.html?loginAction=)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on February 22, 2019, 10:59:07 AM


Someones going to get a kick up the bum, unless there is a genuine reason for a fuel leak  ;D

probably pilot getting a bit carried away and underestimating usage. On more than one occasion I've seen Mirages run out of juice halfway between the strip and the hardstand.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on February 22, 2019, 11:53:25 AM
probably pilot getting a bit carried away and underestimating usage. On more than one occasion I've seen Mirages run out of juice halfway between the strip and the hardstand.
Doesn't your second statement contradict you first, if they were cutting that close maybe they should have been landing at Brisbane airport too. I would have thought these days the planes computer would be working out his distance to go

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on February 22, 2019, 12:00:34 PM
Never really thought about it, but they can carry and chew some juice, about 3L per second by some rough calculations. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on February 22, 2019, 12:03:41 PM
This could be bad for stocks


China confirms ban of Australian coal imports
February 22, 2019 — 8.50am
Beijing: Customs at China's northern port of Dalian has banned imports of Australian coal and will cap overall coal imports from all sources for 2019 at 12 million tonnes, an official at Dalian Port Group has told Reuters.

The indefinite ban on imports from top supplier Australia, effective since the start of February, comes as major ports elsewhere in China prolong clearing times for Australian coal to at least 40 days.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-confirms-ban-of-australian-coal-imports-20190222-p50zhw.html
 (https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-confirms-ban-of-australian-coal-imports-20190222-p50zhw.html?loginAction=)

Pure politics Bird.   We will see a lot of this behaviour in the future..especially if countries try to look after themselves more...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bunyip on February 22, 2019, 12:17:27 PM
Pure politics

Genuine question here, not over this topic all that much.

Is this China saying to Australia don't be boofheads like your friend the USA because we can hurt you more than we can them?

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on February 22, 2019, 12:23:13 PM
Genuine question here, not over this topic all that much.

Is this China saying to Australia don't be boofheads like your friend the USA because we can hurt you more than we can them?
Probably more the fact that Huawei didn’t  get the 5G contract. Bit of payback perhaps.




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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 22, 2019, 01:11:02 PM
Genuine question here, not over this topic all that much.

Is this China saying to Australia don't be boofheads like your friend the USA because we can hurt you more than we can them?
I feel we have backed ourselves into a nasty corner.. as Jusy says - the Hooweee thing could be part of it, but it does show our reliance on just about one thing "COAL".
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Alan Loy on February 22, 2019, 07:01:10 PM
Genuine question here, not over this topic all that much.

Is this China saying to Australia don't be boofheads like your friend the USA because we can hurt you more than we can them?
As far as I heard it's not an official decision, it was Reuters following up the long delays experienced by Australian coal ships. Then making deductions. (am I right?)

Sending messages without losing "face" is a Chinese speciality.  There have been a number of issues between Australia and China as we follow the US lead.  Maybe they are saying that we need them more than they need us?  They may be right.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on February 22, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
I feel we have backed ourselves into a nasty corner.. as Jusy says - the Hooweee thing could be part of it, but it does show our reliance on just about one thing "COAL".

The rest of the world looks at us as the worlds quarry.  Whatever we have we let foreign owned companies dig it up, process it and sell back to us at a huge profit. Or else we just rip up as much as we can, without giving a f*#@ for future generations.

Ever tried to buy land in China?   Vast majority of countries wont allow foreign ownership but our pollies are so corrupt that they,d sell their first born for a dollar.

China is looking after China......pity we wont apply the same policy to Australia..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on February 22, 2019, 08:39:05 PM
The reality is their economy probably isn’t as strong as they’d like the outside world to think and they may possibly have huge stockpiles sitting around.  Much easier to make it appear like an unofficial protest than admit the truth.

They are becoming a bit of a worry though - just look at their position in the South China Sea. Even when the world courts rule against them, they just give the rest of the world the big finger. Their expansionist aspirations are a little too much like the Japanese in the 1930’s for my liking. That said they are a long way off being a real threat - the US still has the biggest military might by a long way and the Chinese aren’t actually stupid enough to pick a real fight.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on February 22, 2019, 08:49:07 PM
The reality is their economy probably isn’t as strong as they’d like the outside world to think and they may possibly have huge stockpiles sitting around.  Much easier to make it appear like an unofficial protest than admit the truth.

They are becoming a bit of a worry though - just look at their position in the South China Sea. Even when the world courts rule against them, they just give the rest of the world the big finger. Their expansionist aspirations are a little too much like the Japanese in the 1930’s for my liking. That said they are a long way off being a real threat - the US still has the biggest military might by a long way and the Chinese aren’t actually stupid enough to pick a real fight.

They seem to use the idea of just slowly doing things that might annoy other countries and avoid retaliation. I think Trump and his tariffs might have come as a bit of a surprise though and is hurting their economy.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on February 22, 2019, 09:24:28 PM
The Chinese economy is a bit of a mess; they rely heavily on the size of their population to give them:
1) Cheap semi-skilled labour that doesn't argue
2) A growing middle class of skilled and professional labour
3) Sheer population growth to drive the consumer market and demand growth.
4) Protected and barriered entry to the market (when it suits)

Whilst they do want to trade, there are times when it is advantageous for them to do so and there are times when there aren't. Things like the importing of raw resources means they can then process them domestically at a low cost (keeping the workforce "happy" by giving them jobs) rather than processing them in Australia. Other times, if the economy is running a bit slow or something is building up domestically, then they'll block it or stop it - see the current coal issue.

Most importantly, the effect of this coal problem, is that the Aussie dollar has been weakened. Now one cynical view is that the $ had gone up a bit, and that this little spat is a nice bit of Chinese currency manipulation that brings it back into their favour (ie not as expensive to buy coal or other Australian products) - they're less worried about the higher costs for Australian imports of Chinese products. A strong $ would give lower prices... partly why the Domestic car manufacturers went to Shit - at the current rate it makes it cheaper to import than to produce domestically - I reckon the $ would have to drop about 50% of it's value to get close to that level again.

Trump and his tariffs aren't going to make much difference; all that's happened in some of the industries is that the domestic producers have increased their prices to the same as the Chinese + Tariff price... basic ECON101/102 (Microeconomics/Macroeconomics) theory that's been around for ever. If you can charge a higher price for the same product you will - and if the cheaper Chinese product is now more than your product, then you may as well charge the same or more... I've not seen anything saying that the demand for Chinese goods in the States has particulary slowed, but one of them that has certainly slowed is Apple's iPhone - they've got the issue that the price has gone sky high, and that the innovation in it is not ground breaking (none of which has anything to do with the Chinese manufacturing, more Apple's complacency).

Disagreements with organisations like Huawei about the infrastructure is a challenge; the lack of (decent) investment in R&D, science that is relevant to Australia and owned by Australia is one of the challenges that would/could prevent this problem; we know that the Australian science system can put out clever things (CSIRO and WiFi for example), but the ability to repeatedly do this is limited in part because of how R&D and invention is managed in Australia; there's just too many organisations involved that are working on short term projects with no long term strategy.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on February 22, 2019, 10:19:24 PM
I feel we have backed ourselves into a nasty corner.. as Jusy says - the Hooweee thing could be part of it, but it does show our reliance on just about one thing "COAL".
Nah, coal is so 2018.
There’s still another couple of litres of water that we can pump out of our dead rivers to grow a few more cotton balls and save our economy.... :P
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on February 23, 2019, 10:26:02 AM
Nah, coal is so 2018.
There’s still another couple of litres of water that we can pump out of our dead rivers to grow a few more cotton balls and save our economy.... :P

I have jumped on the cotton bashing wagon in the past, a little bit more looking into it has made me realise it's more nuanced than the headlines would have you believe.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on February 23, 2019, 10:34:10 AM
I have jumped on the cotton bashing wagon in the past, a little bit more looking into it has made me realise it's more nuanced than the headlines would have you believe.
By that do you mean the volume of water they pump and their effect on the environment is so small, or that the industry in general has no great impact on our economy and it wouldn’t matter if the environmental water flows that us tax payers funded are no longer given to these farmers in the sweetheart deals and the plan that was put in place to help these vital river systems actually helped the rivers instead of a helping increase the profits of a few select wealthy political donors?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 23, 2019, 01:33:32 PM
Interesting...

https://www.caravancampingsales.com.au/editorial/details/walkinshaw-takes-control-of-new-age-117100/ (https://www.caravancampingsales.com.au/editorial/details/walkinshaw-takes-control-of-new-age-117100/)

more HP and sports suspension?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on February 23, 2019, 01:52:00 PM
Interesting...

https://www.caravancampingsales.com.au/editorial/details/walkinshaw-takes-control-of-new-age-117100/ (https://www.caravancampingsales.com.au/editorial/details/walkinshaw-takes-control-of-new-age-117100/)

more HP and sports suspension?

The family (the Smiths) that own Swift caravans in the UK are keen motorsport people as well; one of them (Guy) raced in Formula Ford quite successfully in the 1990's, and also at Le Mans 24hrs.

Strange how it crosses over sometimes...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on February 23, 2019, 03:13:31 PM
By that do you mean the volume of water they pump and their effect on the environment is so small, or that the industry in general has no great impact on our economy and it wouldn’t matter if the environmental water flows that us tax payers funded are no longer given to these farmers in the sweetheart deals and the plan that was put in place to help these vital river systems actually helped the rivers instead of a helping increase the profits of a few select wealthy political donors?

More that cotton is actually less water-intensive than a lot of other things farmers grow instead of it, we produce some of the best cotton at the lowest water usage in the world and it's water requirements have been substantially reduced in recent times.

This isn't exhaustive but might give a bit of an overview, I find that if I am ever in agreement with Sarah Hansen-Young then I should probably have a good hard look at myself, or at least the topic at hand. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-03/the-blame-game:-a-social-media-backlash-targeting/10787030 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-03/the-blame-game:-a-social-media-backlash-targeting/10787030)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on February 23, 2019, 04:52:18 PM
I have jumped on the cotton bashing wagon in the past, a little bit more looking into it has made me realise it's more nuanced than the headlines would have you believe.
Landline has an interesting piece the other week on some of the NSW cotton growers and showing thier lack of crops / no water, yet being blamed for lack of water further downstream. For me it would have been more interesting piece if they'd gone further up into Qld to see how places such as Cubby Station are currently also, even though you could see the NSW growers had it just as bad as others on the land currently, felt like it was only half the story being told.
Title: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on February 23, 2019, 07:10:49 PM
Quote
’Anomaly' lets farmer use environmental water for cotton crop.

.....

One stakeholder, who declined to be named, said he "sat here in shock" when the letter from the water department arrived. "It was like a gift from heaven."

The change effectively gave permission for the licence holders to extract environmental water flows even though they had been paid for by taxpayers in both NSW and the Commonwealth.

Enabled by the new rules, Michael Egan, owner of the Kiameron farm near the eastern side of the marches, alerted agencies of his plans to pump environmental flows even as the drought across the region intensified.

Between September 9 and October 5 last year, the farm extracted about 600 million litres of a 10 billion-litre flow headed for the marshes, assisting the irrigation of his cotton crop.

"When it's in an unregulated part of the system, [the agencies] lose control of the water," Mr Egan told the Herald. "I'm just running with the rules."

The Commonwealth Environmental Water Office said "most of the flow was protected from pumping by licence conditions". Still, the agency was continuing to work with NSW agencies "to address anomalies in the licencing framework and improve the protection of environmental flows".

.....

‘Anomalies'
A former water compliance officer said, "That's not an anomaly; that's maladministration. How do you get environmental water to grow a cotton crop?"

Emma Carmody, a senior solicitor with the NSW Environmental Defenders Office (EDO), said, "It defies logic for the government to purchase water to restore the health of the Murray-Darling Basin and then allow it to be pumped for private gain."

 https://www.smh.com.au/environment/sustainability/anomaly-lets-farmer-use-environmental-water-for-cotton-crop-20190215-p50y3a.html (https://www.smh.com.au/environment/sustainability/anomaly-lets-farmer-use-environmental-water-for-cotton-crop-20190215-p50y3a.html)


Can’t really blame the farmers for playing the hand they’ve been dealt with this one.
If the government sent me a letter and said I could drive as fast as I liked on all of the highways around the country I’d sure as hell take them up on the offer..... Regardless if it’s the right thing to do or not....
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on February 23, 2019, 09:51:16 PM
Can’t really blame the farmers for playing the hand they’ve been dealt with this one.
If the government sent me a letter and said I could drive as fast as I liked on all of the highways around the country I’d sure as hell take them up on the offer..... Regardless if it’s the right thing to do or not....

To be honest, that farmer sounds like a tool. It's one thing to exploit a Gov error, it's another to consider legal action if/when they fix it. My understanding is that the Gov bought back the over allocation of the pumping rights so to allow environmental flows to happen, if there is more than that then the irrigators can buy some of the excess.

The issue at the moment isn't so much that the cotton farmers are taking to much water, it's that the drought has meant that there isn't any flow environmental flow, let alone an excess that can be used for farming.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on February 23, 2019, 11:10:24 PM
Should probably add that I think that any farms caught stealing water should have there water rights stripped and returned to natural flow and their dam's drained and blown up.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: kylarama on February 24, 2019, 10:52:28 AM
Holden to become the next GIC and go after the social media "keyboard warriors"...

https://www.caradvice.com.au/729217/holden-officially-slams-takeover-talk-but-concedes-its-now-a-challenger-brand/

Last month the Hilux almost outsold Holdens entire lineup.  Maybe they should focus their energy on not rebadging junk.

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Title: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on February 24, 2019, 03:52:00 PM
Holden to become the next GIC and go after the social media "keyboard warriors"...

https://www.caradvice.com.au/729217/holden-officially-slams-takeover-talk-but-concedes-its-now-a-challenger-brand/

Last month the Hilux almost outsold Holdens entire lineup.  Maybe they should focus their energy on not rebadging junk.

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Yeah nothing says fighting back like sticking a HSV badge on a diesel dual cab ute and expecting people to fork out $76k for a $55k vehicle with some stickers, a bonnet scope and new brakes.....

Yay Holden.....
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 25, 2019, 08:53:31 AM
Yeah nothing says fighting back like sticking a HSV badge on a diesel dual cab ute and expecting people to fork out $76k for a $55k vehicle with some stickers, a bonnet scope and new brakes.....

Yay Holden.....

thing is they all do it "50,000 worth of accessories - FREE!' if you buy this week... when those accessories add up to about $50
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 25, 2019, 04:10:38 PM
Any bets on a sentence for these scrotes?

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/childcare-worker-bailed-after-allegedly-punching-cop-in-st-kilda-brawl-20190225-p5104s.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/childcare-worker-bailed-after-allegedly-punching-cop-in-st-kilda-brawl-20190225-p5104s.html)

I'd say 1 week TOPS and then therapy for being put in jail.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: KeithB on February 25, 2019, 04:20:03 PM
Just terrible. I hope they throw the book at them. I think the bloke who seriously injured the policeman will get serious time. I wonder why the police didn't use capsicum spray.
Keith
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on February 25, 2019, 04:23:24 PM
I'd say 1 week TOPS and then therapy for being put in jail.

and that will probably be suspended cause their teacher used a red pen, or some bull$#!t excuse
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on February 25, 2019, 04:23:34 PM
Any bets on a sentence for these scrotes?

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/childcare-worker-bailed-after-allegedly-punching-cop-in-st-kilda-brawl-20190225-p5104s.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/childcare-worker-bailed-after-allegedly-punching-cop-in-st-kilda-brawl-20190225-p5104s.html)

I'd say 1 week TOPS and then therapy for being put in jail.

Wonder what would have happened if it had been in China.....bet you,d never hear of their names again.  F,n scum the lot of them.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on February 25, 2019, 04:52:24 PM
A lot of discussion on talk back here in Melb this morning, with "possible: recruits now having 2nd thoughts??
These kids think the uniform gives them immunity, it does not, it is a magnet for a punch in the chops.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on February 25, 2019, 06:47:21 PM
Hopefully when they track them down, they give the cops an excuse for some target practice. Surely, given what they did to the other cops, even looking sideways should be reason enough to shoot the pr@&ks.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Gazza00 on February 25, 2019, 06:59:56 PM
" I wonder why the police didn't use capsicum spray"

  I wonder why they just didn't use the  S&W .40 that they are issued with
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on February 25, 2019, 09:39:09 PM
^^  Might be a bit hard too,  when you get the life half  kicked out of you when you least expect it, while  your already engaged in holding a piece of sh*te down ..
Reckon the security cameras might have had several  glitches and failed to record, back at the station .. If these clowns were smart they wouldnt be asking for food or drinks either, while theyre there .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on February 25, 2019, 09:58:48 PM
Just like the way some media articles are being written painting esp the female as a Victim somehow.  I know as a parent I wouldn't be letting her care after my child. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on February 26, 2019, 06:03:09 AM
Just watch, the real criminals here are the POS judges that will let the parasites off with very light sentences. I spent Saturday nite in the emergency ward and could not believe the crap our emergency workers have to put up with, four coppers trying to control one little runt (spelling) that they should have just knocked out and the way the doctors and nurses are spoken too is just beyond belief, Shit I was happy with any help they gave me

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: jclures on February 26, 2019, 08:15:40 AM
two missing boys has come to a tragic end
https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/missing-townsville-boys-found-a-day-after-ambert-alert-issued/news-story/6d0b55ccc1d603a2639f1f4701f44634 (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/missing-townsville-boys-found-a-day-after-ambert-alert-issued/news-story/6d0b55ccc1d603a2639f1f4701f44634)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 26, 2019, 08:17:54 AM
Quote from: macca
.. and could not believe the crap our emergency workers have to put up with, four coppers trying to control one little runt (spelling) that they should have just knocked out and the way the doctors and nurses are spoken too is just beyond belief, Shit I was happy with any help they gave me

had similar one night at Frankston, where the cops were guarding the cubical, then chairs and Shit started flying out the cubical..  I suggested to teh cops that they need to do something before several of us parents do - we were told to "**** off" or we will be arrested (this was some 12yr old cop by the way)...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on February 26, 2019, 10:20:37 AM
George Pell guilty of sexually abusing choirboys .


This is gunna cause some Shit in the Catholic church mob.  No good denying the rampant abuse going on and also historically.   Sooner we castrate the scum the better. Still cant believe the cover ups and magnitude of these arsholes.  >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on February 26, 2019, 10:32:35 AM
This is not actually news - just an Ad on youtube.
 
Have fun Melbourne drivers - P turns will transform your life  ;D
Maybe it will work?
https://youtu.be/kOtq2IWrN58 (https://youtu.be/kOtq2IWrN58)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on February 26, 2019, 10:33:14 AM
George Pell guilty of sexually abusing choirboys .


This is gunna cause some Shit in the Catholic church mob.  No good denying the rampant abuse going on and also historically.   Sooner we castrate the scum the better. Still cant believe the cover ups and magnitude of these arsholes.  >:D >:D >:D

He was found guilty a while back but there has been a court-enforced media blackout due to cases that were still to be heard. There was still quite a bit about it online though from oversea's organisations who aren't subject to Australian law.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on February 26, 2019, 10:36:44 AM
had similar one night at Frankston, where the cops were guarding the cubical, then chairs and Shit started flying out the cubical..  I suggested to teh cops that they need to do something before several of us parents do - we were told to "**** off" or we will be arrested (this was some 12yr old cop by the way)...
I would have liked to knock this little turd out for them, but was in no condition to even get out of bed


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: krisandkev on February 26, 2019, 10:40:11 AM
And going by news reports some big meeting they had with their Pope they still don't get it. It was/is the devil's fault and people who are critical of the church are working with the devil. So old Pell should have used that one in his trial. Kevin
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on February 26, 2019, 10:40:59 AM
This is not actually news - just an Ad on youtube.
 
Have fun Melbourne drivers - P turns will transform your life  ;D
Maybe it will work?
https://youtu.be/kOtq2IWrN58 (https://youtu.be/kOtq2IWrN58)

They have a continuous flow intersection here on the GC, not sure if it makes much of a difference or not though but guessing if they are making more it must be doing OK.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on February 26, 2019, 10:44:14 AM
two missing boys has come to a tragic end
https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/missing-townsville-boys-found-a-day-after-ambert-alert-issued/news-story/6d0b55ccc1d603a2639f1f4701f44634 (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/missing-townsville-boys-found-a-day-after-ambert-alert-issued/news-story/6d0b55ccc1d603a2639f1f4701f44634)

Very sad. Found not all that far from home.  Only a couple of blocks from me.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on February 26, 2019, 11:06:19 AM
George Pell guilty of sexually abusing choirboys .


This is gunna cause some Shit in the Catholic church mob.  No good denying the rampant abuse going on and also historically.   Sooner we castrate the scum the better. Still cant believe the cover ups and magnitude of these arsholes.  >:D >:D >:D
Would love to see this TV Pell lovers reaction now.    ;D ;D      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sG0l31oZLY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sG0l31oZLY)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 26, 2019, 01:09:17 PM
This is not actually news - just an Ad on youtube.
 
Have fun Melbourne drivers - P turns will transform your life  ;D
Maybe it will work?
https://youtu.be/kOtq2IWrN58 (https://youtu.be/kOtq2IWrN58)
FFS... could they make it more confusing???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on February 26, 2019, 02:42:56 PM
Had the P turn cnr Cranbourne Rd and Moorooduc Highway for a few years, works well.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 26, 2019, 02:47:26 PM
Quote from: Kangaron
... works well.
I think its a PITA (the whole intersection was always a PITa.
They ****ed up and had no real solution to a simple right turn specially heading home.
I think they just needed to extend the right hand turn lane coming from the south ... but the new shoppin precinct was more important :)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 26, 2019, 02:55:24 PM
Anyone shocked - and th reason for bail ??? WTF?

Three men accused of being part of a vicious pack attack on two police officers at St Kilda have been released on bail.
Partygoers Trent Potts and Phillip O’Donnell along with band singer Jules Tobin fronted Melbourne Magistrates Court on Tuesday.

Despite police opposing their release, Magistrate Andrew McKenna said the police officers at the centre of Sunday morning’s incident didn’t sustain serious injuries and that the three accused men had stable employment.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bail-for-men-accused-over-early-morning-attack-on-police-in-st-kilda-20190226-p510b3.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bail-for-men-accused-over-early-morning-attack-on-police-in-st-kilda-20190226-p510b3.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on February 26, 2019, 02:58:37 PM
Anyone shocked - and th reason for bail ??? WTF?

Three men accused of being part of a vicious pack attack on two police officers at St Kilda have been released on bail.
Partygoers Trent Potts and Phillip O’Donnell along with band singer Jules Tobin fronted Melbourne Magistrates Court on Tuesday.

Despite police opposing their release, Magistrate Andrew McKenna said the police officers at the centre of Sunday morning’s incident didn’t sustain serious injuries and that the three accused men had stable employment.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bail-for-men-accused-over-early-morning-attack-on-police-in-st-kilda-20190226-p510b3.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bail-for-men-accused-over-early-morning-attack-on-police-in-st-kilda-20190226-p510b3.html)

This is where you hope social media makes their f....in lives a misery.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on February 26, 2019, 04:33:51 PM
This is not actually news - just an Ad on youtube.
 
Have fun Melbourne drivers - P turns will transform your life  ;D
Maybe it will work?
https://youtu.be/kOtq2IWrN58 (https://youtu.be/kOtq2IWrN58)

Pfffttt....
That boring old P turn has got nothing on this debarcle... ::)

(https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/-/media/Projects/B/Bruce-Highway-Upgrade-Planning-Study-Caloundra-Rd-to-Sunshine-Mwy/2018/Overview.jpg?la=en)


In summary it works like this.
We replace 1 set of traffic lights and install 5 new sets of traffic lights, then completly mess everything up so we can all play Mr Squiggle trying to figure out how the hell we get home in the afternoons....

(https://i.imgur.com/WVBpN64.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on February 27, 2019, 09:29:42 AM
the three accused men had stable employment.

That may now be up to their respective bosses >:D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on February 27, 2019, 09:31:14 AM
Partygoers Trent Potts

Anything you want to tell us, Pottsy ???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 27, 2019, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: Fizzie
That may now be up to their respective bosses >:D
then they would get rich through  "unfair dismissals"
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on February 27, 2019, 10:56:03 AM
Anything you want to tell us, Pottsy ???

Happy to say I'm a Potter, not a Potts and I can't fight for Shit, well, not dirty like them pricks.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on February 27, 2019, 05:37:10 PM
Someone should grab the dipShit judge and slam his head into the concrete a dozen or so times and see if he still thinks it's not a significant injury.
We listen to all these polies rant on about how they are going to stop violence against women, attacks on emergency services, home invasions and so on and so on, it's all bullShit when they allow these corrupt judges to stay employed

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on February 27, 2019, 05:57:14 PM
George Pell's lawyer has described his crimes as "no more than a plain vanilla sexual penetration case".

What the hell does that mean, sexual penetration is just that, sexual penetration. The kid was 13,  Pell should die in jail.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MarkGU on February 27, 2019, 06:13:24 PM
George Pell's lawyer has described his crimes as "no more than a plain vanilla sexual penetration case".

What the hell does that mean, sexual penetration is just that, sexual penetration. The kid was 13,  Pell should die in jail.
nope, dont agree with the jail time.

Hang him by his gonads on a barbed wire fence til he dies.
Having had 2 abduction attempts on my daughter i dont have any kind words or humane punishments for these maggots  >:( .Give the general population 10 minutes with him and problem sorted. 

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on February 27, 2019, 06:29:50 PM
George Pell's lawyer has described his crimes as "no more than a plain vanilla sexual penetration case".

What the hell does that mean, sexual penetration is just that, sexual penetration. The kid was 13,  Pell should die in jail.

Wonder what Robert Richter would think if it were his children.

I locked horns with Richter in the Beach inquiry in the 70's, he was a scumbag then and has grown considerably.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on February 27, 2019, 06:55:00 PM
George Pell's lawyer has described his crimes as "no more than a plain vanilla sexual penetration case".

What the hell does that mean, sexual penetration is just that, sexual penetration. The kid was 13,  Pell should die in jail.
And I see that John Howard, Tony Abott and right wing nutters from Sky News Miranda Devine and Andrew Bolt are pretty much still supporting him.

IMHO John Howard is damaging his legacy (compare this to his response to Port Arthur). The other three never had a legacy worth worrying about.

On the bright side, I don’t think Abbott is helping his re-election chances.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on February 27, 2019, 06:56:12 PM
Someone should grab the dipShit judge and slam his head into the concrete a dozen or so times and see if he still thinks it's not a significant injury.
We listen to all these polies rant on about how they are going to stop violence against women, attacks on emergency services, home invasions and so on and so on, it's all bullShit when they allow these corrupt judges to stay employed

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I don’t know what you’re trying to say here, our judicial system is just fine......

Quote
There’s something radically wrong with a society that allows mass murderer James Gargasoulas to be eligible for parole in 46 years, locks up serial killer Ivan Milat for 181 years and then has an Australian Taxation Office employee facing 161 years in prison for blowing the whistle on a poor culture inside one of our most powerful agencies.

....

Boyle, who had worked for the ATO since 2005, revealed that his area in the ATO had been instructed to use more heavy-handed debt collection tactics on taxpayers who owed the ATO money.

He said they were told to start issuing “standard garnishee” notices to meet ATO revenue targets.

A garnishee is a tool that allows the ATO to seize funds from the bank accounts of taxpayers who had been assessed to owe the ATO money, sometimes without their knowledge.

In one internal email, supplied to the media investigation by Boyle, an ATO officer tells staff “the last hour of power is upon us … that means you still have time to issue another five garnishees … right?”

The explosive allegations triggered a series of investigations into the ATO that resulted in both sides of politics announcing policies to improve the lot of small businesses when they are dealing with the ATO.

But the lot of Boyle is a timely reminder of the risks whistleblowers take.

Days before he went public his home was raided by the AFP and the ATO, which alleged in a warrant he had illegally taken copies of taxpayer information, photos of ATO computer screens or emails.

Weeks earlier he had declined a settlement with the ATO on the basis he didn’t want to be gagged from exposing questionable behaviour inside the country’s most powerful institution.

His fate is now in the hands of the courts.

 https://www.smh.com.au/business/small-business/ato-whistleblower-faces-six-life-sentences-roughly-the-same-as-ivan-milat-20190226-p510d2.html (https://www.smh.com.au/business/small-business/ato-whistleblower-faces-six-life-sentences-roughly-the-same-as-ivan-milat-20190226-p510d2.html)

See. It’s a perfect system, murder a bunch of people or out the taxation office for bad corporate behavior, same-same..... ::)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on February 28, 2019, 09:19:07 AM
George Pell's lawyer

Yeah, saw him on the news last night.

A QC as Defence Counsel ???

Who won't even have a leak without 2 or 3 barristers, 8 solicitors & about 25 general dogs-bodies to "assist" ::)

Wonder whose paying his legal bill ???

Wouldn't be all those good people who put $5 week into the collection plate at Mass would it ??? :'( >:(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on February 28, 2019, 09:52:19 AM

Wonder whose paying his legal bill ???

Wouldn't be all those good people who put $5 week into the collection plate at Mass would it ??? :'( >:(

The defense was funded by his supporters, who remain nameless, but they did go to lengths to say the Catholic Cult didn't foot the bill, according to the new Archbishop of Melbourne [radio interview [yesterday]
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 28, 2019, 10:24:07 AM
Im amazed by the "Letters to Editor" in the paper today - they are all supporting him... WTF? Selective Editing??
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on February 28, 2019, 10:24:18 AM
Wonder what Robert Richter would think if it were his children.

I locked horns with Richter in the Beach inquiry in the 70's, he was a scumbag then and has grown considerably.
Don't think he has done much for Pells 100 odd appeals that will follow, didn't his statement admitt guilt even tho Pell is still pleading his innocence.  Whichever way it goes the dog will be back on the streets in a couple of years if not sooner.  Only got to look at that Bourke Street POS he has an option for parole after murdering six people and injuring thirty odd. I stand by my statement that our judges are actually  condoning murder and violence in our society

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 28, 2019, 11:30:52 AM
Don't think he has done much for Pells 100 odd appeals that will follow, didn't his statement admitt guilt even tho Pell is still pleading his innocence.  Whichever way it goes the dog will be back on the streets in a couple of years if not sooner.  Only got to look at that Bourke Street POS he has an option for parole after murdering six people and injuring thirty odd. I stand by my statement that our judges are actually  condoning murder and violence in our society

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https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/flavor-flav-has-accidentally-made-a-shout-out-to-george-pell-because-the-internet (https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/flavor-flav-has-accidentally-made-a-shout-out-to-george-pell-because-the-internet) LMAO
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on February 28, 2019, 12:21:30 PM
I'm totally gobsmacked, nothing about what Pell had for breakfast on the news
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on February 28, 2019, 12:35:44 PM
It’s just disappointing that all of this Pell news is distracting from the big announcement that’s due to come out any day now.

The final negotiations started today and the big bold new Pyongyang Trump tower and golf resort should start construction soon.... ;) :P
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on February 28, 2019, 12:41:03 PM
It’s just disappointing that all of this Pell news is distracting from the big announcement that’s due to come out any day now.

The final negotiations started today and the big bold new Pyongyang Trump tower and golf resort should start construction soon.... ;) :P

I wonder if it will topped by a bad haircut.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on February 28, 2019, 12:52:56 PM
I'm totally gobsmacked, nothing about what Pell had for breakfast on the news
maybe you missed it, alterboys
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 28, 2019, 01:08:21 PM
Could a bit about Pell on the Ray Hadley talkback show this morning. (out road testing the Stato)

If you can believe what was said, it would appear, quite a few Catholic devil dodgers think he's innocent and been unfairly treated.  ???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on February 28, 2019, 03:12:30 PM
If you can believe what was said, it would appear, quite a few Catholic devil dodgers think he's innocent and been unfairly treated.  ???
Sad to say, but I bet my old man will be one of them.  Blind faith.
Either that it or "George who?  Never heard of him."
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on February 28, 2019, 04:00:03 PM
maybe you missed it, alterboys
Well they certainly would be altered after being with him! :-[
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on February 28, 2019, 04:13:53 PM
Could a bit about Pell on the Ray Hadley talkback show this morning. (out road testing the Stato)

If you can believe what was said, it would appear, quite a few Catholic devil dodgers think he's innocent and been unfairly treated.  ???

It boils down to being convicted on one person's testimony with no real corroborating witnesses or evidence, not saying it's wrong, just that with the improbability of scenario that the defence painted he must have been one very believable witness. There was also previous accusations bought against Pell that were demonstrably wrong and malicious.

Being convicted based purely on one person's word from 20 yrs ago, when their version of events was apparently improbable, with a history of wrong accusations being bought against him, I can see how some people might find it a bit hard to believe.

His previous trial for this case resulted in a hung jury, reportedly (mainly from pro-catholic sources) found 10-2 in favour of his innocence. If he did it, hope he spends the rest of his life in Jail but can see how some would find it hard to believe.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on February 28, 2019, 04:20:18 PM
Interestingly John Howard has lost none of his diplomacy and statesmanship. He was asked to comment this morning and simply replied that Pell has been found guilty and is likely to appeal so it is not helpful for anyone for him to make comment. (not word for word)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on February 28, 2019, 06:26:50 PM
Interestingly John Howard has lost none of his diplomacy and statesmanship. He was asked to comment this morning and simply replied that Pell has been found guilty and is likely to appeal so it is not helpful for anyone for him to make comment. (not word for word)
I read that John Howard has said "None of these matters alter my opinion of the Cardinal“.

https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/28/08/02/news-george-pell-john-howard-speaks-character-reference (https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/28/08/02/news-george-pell-john-howard-speaks-character-reference)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on February 28, 2019, 06:40:28 PM
I couldnt give a rats arse if he is innocent.  The many, many thousands of sexual abuse victims of the catholic church didnt matter!!!! 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on February 28, 2019, 07:12:44 PM
I see another article asking how reliable is a man’s memory after 20 years. Now I might be special,  but I am pretty sure I’d remember if a priest did to me what Pell was alleged to have done. And compare the reaction to Pell to that of people like Rolf Harris - another reason I am f%&*ed if it turns out the Catholics are right and there is a God. At least Muslims think they are going to get 40 virgins Catholics will probably just get 40 paedophiles.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on February 28, 2019, 07:32:04 PM
I see another article asking how reliable is a man’s memory after 20 years. Now I might be special,  but I am pretty sure I’d remember if a priest did to me what Pell was alleged to have done.
I'd agree with that, not the sort of thing you would forget, no matter how hard you tried. The possibility in the back of my mind is more so that maybe it happened by another priest who has since died, so no justice for the victim available there, but the Catholic Church who probably covered for the perpetrator you could get some revenge on by bringing down their most senior and well-known figure.

And then you just need a jury that thinks along these lines and you have a scapegoat
I couldnt give a rats arse if he is innocent.  The many, many thousands of sexual abuse victims of the catholic church didnt matter!!!! 
and a conviction. I am not saying I think this is the case, just a possibility.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on February 28, 2019, 07:38:40 PM
i’m pretty sure I’d remember the pr*&k and the face about 3ft above it!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on February 28, 2019, 07:56:36 PM
i’m pretty sure I’d remember the pr*&k and the face about 3ft above it!

Too bloody right.  NOONE would ever forget it!!!

The prick had a fair trial...was found guilty and now the bloody denialists are sooking!!  If he,s so bloody innocent his mate God will get him out of jail!!!.

Pell can rot in jail...no one gives a toss about the victims and Pells liberal, bible bashing mates can rot with him.  Many hundreds of other priests have got away with sexual assault and now that one gets pinged the bible bashing pricks are whinging that its not fair... >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on February 28, 2019, 08:04:58 PM

Pell can rot in jail...no one gives a toss about the victims and Pells liberal, bible bashing mates can rot with him.  Many hundreds of other priests have got away with sexual assault and now that one gets pinged the bible bashing pricks are whinging that its not fair... >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

Not all of us ‘bible bashing pricks’ are whinging...

If he is guilty (which the law has deemed he is) and the trial was fair, then he deserves everything he gets... no doubt about it.



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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: BaseCamp on February 28, 2019, 09:57:42 PM
-- First trial jury - hung trial..
-- 10 of them said he couldn't have done it,
2 said guilty
--  Next trial - all said guilty, (required to convict).
--  There was one witness - (the complainant).
--  The other alleged victim - deceased as a result of drug abuse.
-- The other victim said he was never molested..
-- There has never been any other complaints or victims about Pell..
--  The attack happened 22 years ago.
--  No other forensics or independent witnesses.
--  The victim said it happened in Pells room with the door open.
-- Pell took a once in a career punt on impulse, and attacked the choir boy - in a cathedral crawling with people at the time.
-- Catholic protocol/rule is that the cardinal must be accompanied by another person at all times..
-- At the trial,  the victim was never examined, or cross examined..
-- The jury had to make up their minds by watching videos of Pell and victim police interviews
--  Vic law does not permit "Judge Only" trials,  even in complex trials that a jury(s) may struggle to deal with.
-- The first trial ended in chaos,  jury couldn't agree on what happened.
-- Second trial, jury through the forman kept going back to the judge asking for help/direction, etc..

It will be interesting to see what happens with the appeal. 


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on February 28, 2019, 10:14:14 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens with the appeal. 

It will be, if it gets thrown out on appeal, it will be an even bigger circus, but somehow I don't think if it happens that Bigfish will attribute it to divine intervention then.

If he,s so bloody innocent his mate God will get him out of jail!!!.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on February 28, 2019, 10:27:21 PM
and on the third day........
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on March 01, 2019, 06:55:40 AM
--
-- There has never been any other complaints or victims about Pell..
--
There have been quiet as few.
 HERE (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/26/rise-fall-george-pell-timeline)


It wasn't run any different than any other rape case.
Thank God (pun intended) that the defence barristers can no longer rip a victim to shreds, male or female.
It is not uncommon for Jury's to ask for clarification or direction

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 01, 2019, 09:10:16 AM
Quote from: Bigfish
Pell can rot in jail...no one gives a toss about the victims and Pells liberal, bible bashing mates can rot with him. 
Many hundreds of other priests have got away with sexual assault and now that one gets pinged the bible bashing pricks are whinging that its not fair... >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: takin ya kids to church is almost child abuse itself LMAO
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on March 01, 2019, 11:15:37 AM
There have been quiet as few.
 HERE  (http://Https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&source=undefined&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwiP4bHYpd_gAhWHF3IKHZOGA5EQzPwBCAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Faustralia-news%2F2019%2Ffeb%2F26%2Frise-fall-george-pell-timeline&psig=AOvVaw1Rhw5w9XfIp4PEFeKxCr7o&ust=1551473064613356)

It wasn't run any different than any other rape case.
Thank God (pun intended) that the defence barristers can no longer rip a victim to shreds, male or female.
It is not uncommon for Jury's to ask for clarification or direction

Your link doesn't work for me but the point should have been qualified with  that have been believable enough to make it to court (remembering that this one is only based on one person's testimony to be able to make it)

On the flipside of Basecamps list though is that the most compelling reason for his conviction (the believability of the witness/victim) we don't get to balance against the improbably of the scenario as we only really get to see the best of the defences case, not the prosecutions.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on March 01, 2019, 11:32:37 AM
I fixed the link above.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: ronmac on March 01, 2019, 11:38:21 AM
Failed again, didn't work for me.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on March 01, 2019, 12:39:07 PM
 HERE (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/26/rise-fall-george-pell-timeline)
Link posted again.
Third time lucky?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on March 01, 2019, 12:47:55 PM
HERE (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/26/rise-fall-george-pell-timeline)
Link posted again.
Third time lucky?

We have a winner  :cup:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 01, 2019, 12:57:23 PM
Mr Richter’s characterisation of the molestation and rape of the boys sparked outrage, as did his argument that his client should get a slap on the wrist because his depraved acts lasted “less than six minutes”, there was “no ejaculation” and “no use of any implement”.


From the defence lawyer....     Wonder if he,d feel the same way if it was him on the receiving end of Pells knob?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 01, 2019, 01:00:42 PM
This dude was braver than I could be I reckon

https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-last-moments-were-beautiful-wife-remembers-firefighter-who-died-at-swiss-euthanasia-clinic-20190226-p510f8.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-last-moments-were-beautiful-wife-remembers-firefighter-who-died-at-swiss-euthanasia-clinic-20190226-p510f8.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 01, 2019, 05:08:40 PM
Mike Willesee

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-01/journalism-icon-mike-willesee-dead-at-76/10861942 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-01/journalism-icon-mike-willesee-dead-at-76/10861942)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on March 13, 2019, 10:32:57 AM
https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/13/08/57/george-pell-sentencing-child-sex-abuse-live-coverage-catholic-church-news-melbourne (https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/13/08/57/george-pell-sentencing-child-sex-abuse-live-coverage-catholic-church-news-melbourne)

George Pell sentenced to six years in jail for child sexual abuse
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 13, 2019, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: alnjan
https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/13/08/57/george-pell-sentencing-child-sex-abuse-live-coverage-catholic-church-news-melbourne (https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/13/08/57/george-pell-sentencing-child-sex-abuse-live-coverage-catholic-church-news-melbourne)

George Pell sentenced to six years in jail for child sexual abuse
and sadly on appeal will get **** all. Hope he cops a lot of what he gave while hes in there.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on March 13, 2019, 11:05:26 AM
and sadly on appeal will get **** all. Hope he cops a lot of what he gave while hes in there.

the appeal will be interesting but I tend to agree with you.  Never hear the end of it then
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 13, 2019, 02:06:20 PM
Hope he cops a lot of what he gave while hes in there.

Sadly little chance since he will be put in segregation (solitary) or locked in a special unit and be the only one out at a time as stuff like he has done normal prisoners will not be to pleased and they have been knowen to kill child sex offenders.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 13, 2019, 04:44:53 PM
ANOTHER from the WTF file.

'It's quite disgusting': Steel spikes hidden on off-road tracks in Victorian bushland


(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1.472%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_447/t_crop_custom/w_800/q_86%2Cf_auto/3d78876c98b24faeb1e8ea8e8cc57744dacb0d67)

(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1.103%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_31/t_crop_custom/w_800/q_86%2Cf_auto/418b3940cb2b72a84ced23bc663b545b9055fb6e)

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/it-s-quite-disgusting-steel-spikes-hidden-on-off-road-tracks-in-victorian-bushland-20190313-p513ro.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/it-s-quite-disgusting-steel-spikes-hidden-on-off-road-tracks-in-victorian-bushland-20190313-p513ro.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 13, 2019, 06:31:04 PM
ANOTHER from the WTF file.

'It's quite disgusting': Steel spikes hidden on off-road tracks in Victorian bushland


(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1.472%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_447/t_crop_custom/w_800/q_86%2Cf_auto/3d78876c98b24faeb1e8ea8e8cc57744dacb0d67)

(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1.103%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_31/t_crop_custom/w_800/q_86%2Cf_auto/418b3940cb2b72a84ced23bc663b545b9055fb6e)

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/it-s-quite-disgusting-steel-spikes-hidden-on-off-road-tracks-in-victorian-bushland-20190313-p513ro.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/it-s-quite-disgusting-steel-spikes-hidden-on-off-road-tracks-in-victorian-bushland-20190313-p513ro.html)

What the pure hell first wire now spikes as a responsible young person who wants to go explore these places this is just making it seem worse to even try to and even sad that you have to be twisted to do this to people.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 15, 2019, 09:09:32 AM
WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!


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Meet the Aussie building a flying motorcycle powered by jet engines
By Peter Holley

They have been a staple of science fiction films for decades, from the iconic speeder bikes in Return of the Jedi to the jet bike from Looper.

Now a California-based company says it's taking orders for a real life flying motorcycle powered by five modified jet engines on the base of the aircraft.

Dubbed the "Speeder", the $US280,000 ($396,000) vertical-take-off-and-landing aircraft will reach at least 240km/h, have a 72-kilometre range and be able to travel as high as 4570 metres when it debuts next year, according to David Mayman, the Sydney-born chief executive of JetPack Aviation, a company that creates and sells personal jet packs.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/meet-the-aussie-building-a-flying-motorcycle-powered-by-jet-engines-20190314-p51424.html (https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/meet-the-aussie-building-a-flying-motorcycle-powered-by-jet-engines-20190314-p51424.html) WANT ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on March 15, 2019, 11:42:11 AM
I can just see bird giving everyone on East Link the bird as he flys over on the way to work

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 15, 2019, 11:56:55 AM
I can just see bird giving everyone on East Link the bird as he flys over on the way to work
wouldnt you!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on March 15, 2019, 11:59:43 AM
wouldnt you!
Blood oath, if only I had the $300,000 odd to pay for it

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 15, 2019, 12:05:52 PM
Blood oath, if only I had the $300,000 odd to pay for it

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thought that was glovebox money for u :(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on March 15, 2019, 02:13:00 PM
Looks like a single gunman shooting in Christchuch NZ has killed 27 people at afternoon prayers at a mosque. Pretty graphic footage. :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Robbo on March 15, 2019, 03:05:55 PM
Looks like a single gunman shooting in Christchuch NZ has killed 27 people at afternoon prayers at a mosque. Pretty graphic footage. :-[ :-[
Yes this is shocking Pottsy. Two mosques have been shot up and victims include women and children. Police have picked up four shooters so far and the main instigator is named as an Australian, although not of Australian desent. He apparantly saw NZ as a soft place to carry out these vile acts of terrorism. This will not end well for the Kiwis.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 15, 2019, 04:04:14 PM
Yes this is shocking Pottsy. Two mosques have been shot up and victims include women and children. Police have picked up four shooters so far and the main instigator is named as an Australian, although not of Australian desent. He apparantly saw NZ as a soft place to carry out these vile acts of terrorism. This will not end well for the Kiwis.


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And uploaded live to facebook so all the brain dead can see what happens in the real world.  No doubt about it....social media...the toilet bowl of the internet.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on March 15, 2019, 04:42:15 PM
Even the footage on Sky news sends a shiver down your spine, driving down the road, weapon at the ready, almost as if he was looking for a victim. Footage from a chest mounted GoPro
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on March 15, 2019, 05:37:32 PM
A Grafton Man,
A horrible thing, hope his family is not targeted.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on March 15, 2019, 05:41:16 PM
A Grafton Man,
a friend of a friend went to school with him, reckons he was just a normal guy at school...just been looking at his school year picture on friends facebook page, amazing how much people can change as they grow older. Friend is thinking maybe his mum taught her at school, but she reckons there's a few people with that surname in Grafton.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 15, 2019, 05:48:20 PM
Whats worse now is how one of the senators here is reacting wait till that hits the news
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: KingBilly on March 15, 2019, 08:55:18 PM
Looks like a single gunman shooting in Christchuch NZ has killed 27 people at afternoon prayers at a mosque. Pretty graphic footage. :-[ :-[

49 dead, 48 in hospital.  So very, very sad.

KB
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: jclures on March 15, 2019, 09:37:46 PM
Whats worse now is how one of the senators here is reacting wait till that hits the news
So according to him, they brought this on them selves, being Muslim.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 15, 2019, 10:12:33 PM
So according to him, they brought this on them selves, being Muslim.

No actualy migration policys was the big hitter, been fun putting them on public blast via twitter wont surprise me if ten and 9 news reply to my questions asking if they wanted the story about the senator that also deleted tweet that would have been archived already same as this post will be in one of many sites in a hour or so by the many crawlers that are everywhere
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 16, 2019, 07:22:10 AM
It is interesting to see the outrage and response by non Muslim Australians that someone would do this to people of the Muslim faith.

Yet when the roles are reversed you hear no outrage no outcry by anyone in the Muslim community, they stay silent.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on March 16, 2019, 07:47:52 AM
It is interesting to see the outrage and response by non Muslim Australians that someone would do this to people of the Muslim faith.

Yet when the roles are reversed you hear no outrage no outcry by anyone in the Muslim community, they stay silent.


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I’m not sure I agree with you. Plenty of Muslims decry violence committed by Muslims. But there are extremes just like Fraser Anning on both sides and the media would much rather focus on the extreme views because that gets clicks and advertsing revenue.
I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, including plenty of Muslims, and they are just people.... i actually think using the word normal people suggests there is such a thing as abnormal people on a grander scale. Certainly individuals may not meet our society’s norms but that is not the same as inferring that a large group of people is abnormal.
Jacinda Adern’s statement “they are us” in reference to the victims is one of the more powerful statements I have heard from a politician in a long time.
The reality is people have disagreed and fought with each other over many things for millenia but when you boil it all down, we are all the same regardless of our religious beliefs, sexuality or favourite footy team. And there will always be those amongst who, for their own perverted reasons, will want to harm us.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 16, 2019, 08:38:41 AM
I’m not sure I agree with you. Plenty of Muslims decry violence committed by Muslims. But there are extremes just like Fraser Anning on both sides and the media would much rather focus on the extreme views because that gets clicks and advertsing revenue.
I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, including plenty of Muslims, and they are just people.... i actually think using the word normal people suggests there is such a thing as abnormal people on a grander scale. Certainly individuals may not meet our society’s norms but that is not the same as inferring that a large group of people is abnormal.
Jacinda Adern’s statement “they are us” in reference to the victims is one of the more powerful statements I have heard from a politician in a long time.
The reality is people have disagreed and fought with each other over many things for millenia but when you boil it all down, we are all the same regardless of our religious beliefs, sexuality or favourite footy team. And there will always be those amongst who, for their own perverted reasons, will want to harm us.
Jacinta Ardern is of the left of course she would say that.

It’s not what about the media betrays, you can see for yourself on social media the difference in reactions by people.
The only one you ever hear from is Imam Tawhidi and he is disliked by a large portion of the Muslim community.



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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on March 16, 2019, 09:05:46 AM
No, Jacinda Adern says it because it is right! F’all to do with what side of politics she is on!

I may never live to see it but maybe one day, all ths left this/right that bullShit will disappear, but i won’t keep my hopes up. Had a bloke come to the door last week campaigning for labour. Told him i wasn’t interested. Him: “Oh so i support the wrong side then”. Me: “no, i’m just not bloody interested in talking you”. Off he walks in a bit of a huff.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: KingBilly on March 16, 2019, 09:20:07 AM
No, Jacinda Adern says it because it is right! F’all to do with what side of politics she is on!

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 16, 2019, 09:22:31 AM
Just read Waleed Aly's commentary from yesterday - in particular, the (paraphrased) comment of "I'm no longer shocked"

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On Friday night, writer and television co-host Waleed Aly spoke on The Project about the mass shootings at two mosques in New Zealand.

The clip has been shared tens of thousands of times and viewed over a million times.

Here is a transcript of what he said.


You’ll have to forgive me, these won’t be my best words. The truth is, I don’t want to be talking today. When I was asked if it was something I wanted to do, I resisted it all day until finally I had this overwhelming sense that it was something in my responsibility to do so and maybe that’s misguided.

But of all the things I could say tonight, that I’m gutted and I’m scared and I feel overcome with utter hopelessness, the most dishonest thing, the most dishonest thing would be to say that I’m shocked. I’m simply not.

There’s nothing about what happened in Christchurch today that shocked me. I wasn’t shocked when six people were shot to death at a mosque in Quebec City two years ago. I wasn’t shocked when a man drove a van into Finsbury Park mosque in London about six months later and I wasn’t shocked when 11 Jews were shot dead in a Pittsburgh synagogue late last year or when nine Christians were killed at a church in Charleston. If we’re honest, we’ll know this has been coming.

I went to the mosque today, I do that every Friday just like the people in those mosques in Christchurch today. I know exactly what those moments before the shooting began would have been like. I know how quiet, how still, how introspective those people would have been before they were suddenly gunned down, how separated from the world they were feeling until the world came in and tore their lives apart.

And I know the people who did this knew well enough how profoundly defenseless their victims were in that moment. This is a congregational prayer that happens every week like clockwork. This was slaughter by appointment. And it’s scary because, like millions of other Muslims, I’m going to keep attending those appointments and it feels like fish in a barrel.

But that isn’t the scariest thing. The thing that scared me most was when I started reading the manifesto that one of the apparent perpetrators of this attack published, not because it was deranged but because it was so familiar. Let me share some quotes with you to show you what I mean.

"The truth is that Islam is not like any other faith. It is the religious equivalent of fascism," or, "The real cause of bloodshed is the migration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate in the first place." Or, "As we read in Matthew 26:52: 'All they that take the sword shall perish by the sword'. And those who follow a violent religion that causes them to murder us cannot be surprised when somebody takes them at their word and responds at kind."

How do those words sound now? Now how do they sound when I tell you that they weren’t part of the manifesto? They were actually published today after this terrorist attack on Australian parliamentary letterhead. And I know they came from someone who I don’t particularly want to name at the moment, who all parties have denounced. I also know that the leader of one of those parties that denounced him once described Islam as a disease Australia needs to vaccinate. And even that party is kind of on the fringes despite some valiant attempts by our media to change that.

But I also know a senior figure in our government once suggested we made a mistake as a country by letting in Lebanese Muslims in the 70s. And I know there are media reports going back eight years at a shadow cabinet meeting in which another senior politician suggested his party should use community concerns about Muslims in Australia failing to integrate as a political strategy. That person is now the most senior politician we have.

So while I appreciate the words our leaders have said today, and in particular Scott Morrison’s comments and his preparedness to call this terrorism and the strength of his comments more generally, I have something to ask. Don’t change your tune now because the terrorism seems to be coming from a white supremacist. If you’ve been talking about being "tough on terrorism" for years in the communities that allegedly support it, show us how tough you are now.

For [me], I’m going to say the same thing I said about four years ago after a horrific Islamist attack. Now, now we come together. Now we understand that this is not a game, terrorism doesn’t choose its victims selectively, that we are one community and that everything we say to try to tear people apart, demonise particular groups, set them against each other, that all has consequences even if we’re not the ones with our fingers on the trigger.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/the-most-dishonest-thing-would-be-to-say-that-i-m-shocked-20190316-p514q2.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/the-most-dishonest-thing-would-be-to-say-that-i-m-shocked-20190316-p514q2.html)

In terms of the whole left vs right argument - there is a need to be a decent human being, and unfortunately there are some who just cannot manage that on all sides; the right is getting more and more disconnected from the prevailing reality and drifting into an extreme view - the prime example of this is the blissful ignorance of the changing climate and the impact it is going to have on the economy; this disconnect is really at a Federal level, given I have Barnyard as my Federal representative who is pro-coal and Adam Marshall at State who is pro-renewables... both are Nationals (and both are in election mode admittedly... I know which one might be more popular). The left tend to be quite good at mud slinging, but not as good at coming up with a viable alternative plan...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: KingBilly on March 16, 2019, 09:27:04 AM
It is interesting to see the outrage and response by non Muslim Australians that someone would do this to people of the Muslim faith.

If you are going to start a religious discussion, at least try to get your facts right.

Muslim is not a faith.  Islam is the religion or faith.  A Muslim is a person who follows or practices Islam.

KB
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on March 16, 2019, 09:49:10 AM
It is interesting to see the outrage and response by non Muslim Australians that someone would do this to people of the Muslim faith.
You can't criticize without reservation when it's done by a Muslim and not when it's a non-Muslim without being a hypocrite.

Yet when the roles are reversed you hear no outrage no outcry by anyone in the Muslim community, they stay silent.
I think the media shows what they think will get the most clicks, in this case, we have an actual Member of Parliament publishing a letter on a Government letterhead pretty much blaming Muslims for being shot. The ludicrousness of him finishing off his letter with "those who live by the sword will die by the sword" is breathtakingly stupid, like the kids that were shot were actually living "by the sword" or probably any of the others who were there peacefully going about their day. The extremes are what gets reported, not normally what the majority think.   


Jacinta Ardern is of the left of course she would say that.

It’s not what about the media betrays, you can see for yourself on social media the difference in reactions by people.
The only one you ever hear from is Imam Tawhidi and he is disliked by a large portion of the Muslim community.

How many Muslims do you follow/read on social media, I suspect that would account for the vast majority of what you see in the difference of reactions.

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: jclures on March 16, 2019, 09:51:48 AM
The way I see it this, as this cold blooded killer is an  Australian, will be just what the Islamic extremists will use, to give them a reason to bring there hate to us here.

What I would like to know though, as he was streaming his killing spree live, did anyone watching, ring 000 to try to stop him. Anyone watching it live and did not do so, should be charged as an accessory to murder as well.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on March 16, 2019, 10:12:59 AM
Interestingly this is called mainly by media but also some leaders an act of terrorism, yet other incidents there almost seems to be excuses made for their terrorist actions without calling it terrorism.   

The offenders need to be dealt with according to their actions, not by the state of mind at the time.  These offenders should never see the light of day again. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 16, 2019, 10:33:51 AM
Quote from: jclures
The way I see it this, as this cold blooded killer is an  Australian, will be just what the Islamic extremists will use, to give them a reason to bring there hate to us here.

this was my 100% first thought. theres thousands of em here just waiting for the goahead.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 16, 2019, 11:59:25 AM

How many Muslims do you follow/read on social media, I suspect that would account for the vast majority of what you see in the difference of reactions.
But it’s not who you follow, you can read comments posted on various articles yourself.
Muslims rarely call out muslims for terrorism related offences. They sit in silence.





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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 16, 2019, 12:47:09 PM
But it’s not who you follow, you can read comments posted on various articles yourself.
Muslims rarely call out muslims for terrorism related offences. They sit in silence.

Or is it because there are relatively few Muslims in prominent positions (other than Waleed Aly) that are public facing in Australia?

Do we give the politicians who are non-WASP/WASC a fair go at getting heard, or do we allow them to dominate the political discussion because those two groups are the dominant proportion of the Austalian population and we like a homogenous society more than a heterogeneous one?

Or, is it because Islam is a fractured as Christianity or Judaism is, but there is a need to present a coherent collective front that is a challenge when much is discussed in their religious context in languages other than English?

Remember that not all Muslims are from the Middle East, but some are from Indonesia or Bosnia and therefore don't always appear as Muslims to the majority.

For example, this piece from SBS on Australia's first Muslim MP:
https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/feature/faith-politics-australias-first-muslim-mp (https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/feature/faith-politics-australias-first-muslim-mp)

He's from Bosnia rather than the Middle East or Indian Sub-continent, so looks like a WASP/WASC...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on March 16, 2019, 01:01:06 PM
I got to meet some fantastic people in Kazakhstan last year, most of whom were Muslim. But as one said, “we are not very good Muslims”, meaning they weren’t necessarily active practioners, just like many people in Australia who call themselves Christians but might only go to Church for the occassional christening, wedding or funeral.

It’s worth checking out the following website - you might be surprised at just where the majority of Muslims live.

http://www.pewforum.org/chart/interactive-data-table-world-muslim-population-by-country (http://www.pewforum.org/chart/interactive-data-table-world-muslim-population-by-country)

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 16, 2019, 01:18:43 PM
Or is it because there are relatively few Muslims in prominent positions (other than Waleed Aly) that are public facing in
Would you really call Waleed prominent? A host of a very low rating show on a major network. I know he would love to think he is, but is he really?


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: lloydus67 on March 16, 2019, 01:21:44 PM
Interestingly there are only slightly less muslims in India than Pakistan, but the % of the population is vastly different
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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: D4D on March 16, 2019, 01:26:44 PM
Would you really call Waleed prominent? A host of a very low rating show on a major network. I know he would love to think he is, but is he really?

He likes to think so...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on March 16, 2019, 01:32:20 PM
Now tick on a list where all the worlds big trouble spots are atm .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 16, 2019, 01:57:53 PM
Quote from: D4D
He likes to think so...
... and then some...


I still say my fictional character is better than yours.

I dont have much good to say about pollys but the more i hear and read on that NZ PM - shes pretty good.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: krisandkev on March 16, 2019, 02:46:16 PM
I dont have much good to say about pollys but the more i hear and read on that NZ PM - shes pretty good.

Why is she good? I am not saying she is bad, but what has she alone achieved? To be fare most of our leaders come out pretty good when something bad happens, as they should. And she has admitted they need to tighten their gun laws. So why now?  The low life was able to go to NZ and get a gun licence and legally get these guns!  This is not USA.  If this happened here I am sure who ever was our Prime Minister at that time would face serious questions.  Yes I know she gave birth while in office.....  Just saying.   But this cold blooded mass murder is just a horrible thing for any country to go through. Kevin
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on March 16, 2019, 03:12:01 PM
No matter how much people might like to shift the blame for these type of crimes  to other things (religion, gun laws, upbringing, bullying in school, to name just a few), the only people at fault are the perpretators.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on March 16, 2019, 04:40:38 PM


No matter how much people might like to shift the blame,  the only people at fault are the perpretators.
Edited your post,
You are 100%. Correct.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on March 16, 2019, 04:49:05 PM
Edited your post,
You are 100%. Correct.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 16, 2019, 05:12:00 PM




Queensland senator Fraser Anning has been egged while speaking to the media at a political meeting at Moorabbin in Melbourne's south-east.

Footage of the incident shows a young man watching Senator Anning from the sidelines before he starts filming with his mobile phone, and then smashes the egg on the back of the senator's head.

In response, Senator Anning swings two punches at the young man, at least one of which connects with the young man's head.

A staffer for Senator Anning then separates the senator from the young man, while supporters of the senator tackle his attacker to the ground.

The young man was later led away by police.

A Victoria Police spokesman said officers arrested a 17-year-old boy from Hampton who was released pending further inquiries.

A fundraising page has already been set up to collect donations to cover the teenager's legal fees and to buy "more eggs". :cup: :cup: :cup:


lol...more eggs..love it.  I,d chip in if it was for a lobotomy.. :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 16, 2019, 05:48:01 PM
Another entitled teenager who can’t accept someone else’s opinion


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Swannie on March 16, 2019, 05:54:03 PM
It is interesting to see the outrage and response by non Muslim Australians that someone would do this to people of the Muslim faith.

Yet when the roles are reversed you hear no outrage no outcry by anyone in the Muslim community, they stay silent.


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Does it really matter? What matters is  49 people where slaughtered by an deranged individual.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 16, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
Another entitled teenager who can’t accept someone else’s opinion


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  Fukcwits like this imbecile who is just another parasite feeding off the public purse and showing he is so far out of touch deserves a lot more than an egg on his hollow skull.  I,ll bet he wouldnt have the balls to stand in front of the families that had members killed and utter his crap!!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 16, 2019, 06:23:15 PM
  Fukcwits like this imbecile who is just another parasite feeding off the public purse and showing he is so far out of touch deserves a lot more than an egg on his hollow skull.  I,ll bet he wouldnt have the balls to stand in front of the families that had members killed and utter his crap!!
There’s thousands of Australians who live their life on the public purse that do and say things I don’t like. I don’t go assaulting them though


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: lloydus67 on March 16, 2019, 06:51:50 PM


He's from Bosnia rather than the Middle East or Indian Sub-continent, so looks like a WASP/WASC...

I must have missed something from my education as I had to look up the terms wasp and wasc
White Anglo Saxon Protestant / catholic
WOW Are there or have there ever been any black yellow red or other denomination of Anglo Saxons? And who gives a rats ass as to their religion. Isn’t this Australia where your either aboriginal or of immigrant descendants
Anyway maybe I’m ranting about nothing and this possibly should be in the rant thread



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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 16, 2019, 07:30:57 PM
Another entitled teenager who can’t accept someone else’s opinion


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you know i woud have done the exact thing to that messed up senator because i bet you havent seen his twitter posts that were then deleted.

i dont care if this gets deleted or im banned for this post but this needs to be seen to as why and i hope the teen presses charges for assault agenst the senator.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 16, 2019, 07:34:58 PM
you know i woud have done the exact thing to that messed up senator because i bet you havent seen his twitter posts that were then deleted.

i dont care if this gets deleted or im banned for this post but this needs to be seen to as why and i hope the teen presses charges for assault agenst the senator.


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He can’t press charges...Unless he is a police officer.

I’m going to go out and assault people I don’t agree with tonight. Cause who needs free speech


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 16, 2019, 07:42:42 PM
He can’t press charges...Unless he is a police officer.

I’m going to go out and assault people I don’t agree with tonight. Cause who needs free speech


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im sure the teen can get the cops to

What i dont agree with is what was said since i have worked with a person who worships islam and came from kabul, i have seen the stuff he gets put through from people like fraiser anning but guess what the aged care home he works at they love him both staff and residents regardless of where he is from because he is kind and caring but yet gets painted by the same brush. punishing a group because of a few is all this is right now.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on March 16, 2019, 08:27:23 PM
I’m going to go out and assault people I don’t agree with tonight. Cause who needs free speech

Just out of interest are you planning to put them in a chaff bag and drop them out at sea? Or hanging them 58 meters above George St? Or are you just hoping they all die of shame?

Or are those suggestions only reserved for women with whom hate preachers don’t agree with??
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 16, 2019, 10:08:27 PM
you know i woud have done the exact thing to that messed up senator because i bet you havent seen his twitter posts that were then deleted.

i dont care if this gets deleted or im banned for this post but this needs to be seen to as why and i hope the teen presses charges for assault agenst the senator.
firstly its hardly a surprise, its been in the media all day. So hardly knight in shining amour Shit.
and its his opinion, everyone is entitled to one.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on March 16, 2019, 10:13:54 PM
There’s thousands of Australians who live their life on the public purse that do and say things I don’t like. I don’t go assaulting them though


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Imagine if we could  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on March 16, 2019, 10:22:18 PM
you know i woud have done the exact thing to that messed up senator because i bet you havent seen his twitter posts that were then deleted.

i dont care if this gets deleted or im banned for this post but this needs to be seen to as why and i hope the teen presses charges for assault agenst the senator.

Bit hard to have the Senator charged with Assault when he is defending himself from someone that just assaulted him
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 16, 2019, 11:37:47 PM
Bit hard to have the Senator charged with Assault when he is defending himself from someone that just assaulted him

but yet we cant do the same for our selfs in our own homes without being charged or even on the street where there is clear evidence of others throwing the first punch so why should a senator be treaded any diffrent for a role that they got given?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 17, 2019, 06:31:56 AM
He can’t press charges...Unless he is a police officer.

I’m going to go out and assault people I don’t agree with tonight. Cause who needs free speech


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Free speech is a myth. Speech that is acceptable is allowed.  Imagine if I stood in a busy shopping centre and repeated the f and the c word over and over because I am free to do so.  I would probably be arrested, charged with abusive language in public (which I have seen cops do to loud mouths) and would probably expect a whack in the ear.

Besides which anyone standing up and defending this arseholes right to speak like an absolute moron is no better and needs to take a good look at themselves and where they fit into the community.  Blaming people who are innocently praying in a church or a mosque is a remark only a complete tool would make. People say its only an opinion.  Opinions are what shape the world we live in.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on March 17, 2019, 08:18:28 AM
but yet we cant do the same for our selfs in our own homes without being charged or even on the street where there is clear evidence of others throwing the first punch so why should a senator be treaded any diffrent for a role that they got given?

Everyone has a legal right to defend themselves, using as much force as is absolutely necessary.  The problem arises when too much force is used or you continue the violence after the attacker has stopped.  In this case the Senator gave him a hit on the side of the face and child stopped.   It's what happens after the attack has stopped that gets people into trouble and the definition of using as much force as absolutely necessary.  If a verbal or visual challenge is sufficient to stop an attack, that is as much force as is absolutely necessary to protect yourself.   If they wish to continue the attack, defend yourself.  If they run away, attack has stopped, why are you chasing them?  Senator not being treated any different. 

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on March 17, 2019, 08:22:08 AM
Bit hard to have the Senator charged with Assault when he is defending himself from someone that just assaulted him
just saw the footage of it on the news...young punk got the 2 smacks in the head he deserved, typical young kid thinks there’s no ramifications coming for his actions. Whilst I think the Senator is a muppet, in this country he has every right to say what he thinks, even if others don’t agree with him....we don’t get to assault him afterwards just because we think he’s a disgrace.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 17, 2019, 08:33:49 AM
Free speech is a myth. Speech that is acceptable is allowed.  Imagine if I stood in a busy shopping centre and repeated the f and the c word over and over because I am free to do so.  I would probably be arrested, charged with abusive language in public (which I have seen cops do to loud mouths) and would probably expect a whack in the ear.

Besides which anyone standing up and defending this arseholes right to speak like an absolute moron is no better and needs to take a good look at themselves and where they fit into the community.  Blaming people who are innocently praying in a church or a mosque is a remark only a complete tool would make. People say its only an opinion.  Opinions are what shape the world we live in.
Having an opinion and using offensive language are two different things. You can have an opinion without using the c word.

You are mixing the two.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on March 17, 2019, 08:50:38 AM
just saw the footage of it on the news...young punk got the 2 smacks in the head he deserved, typical young kid thinks there’s no ramifications coming for his actions. Whilst I think the Senator is a muppet, in this country he has every right to say what he thinks, even if others don’t agree with him....we don’t get to assault him afterwards just because we think he’s a disgrace.

That's right.  He was in the perfect time and place to have an discussion about it but instead of showing intelligence, showed his premeditation to violence. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 17, 2019, 09:06:31 AM
Having an opinion and using offensive language are two different things. You can have an opinion without using the c word.

You are mixing the two.


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But isnt that denying free speech?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 17, 2019, 09:53:26 AM
Does the difference have to be explained in chapter and verse to you?


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 17, 2019, 10:04:57 AM
Does the difference have to be explained in chapter and verse to you?


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Maybe you may understand this....

“Free speech” is often raised as a defence in the court of public opinion, particularly when people are called out by their ideological opponents. “You’re attacking my right to free speech!” However, either through forgetfulness or ignorance, many Australians don’t appear to realise free speech is not a legal right they hold.

This article was originally published in September 2017 - but still holds true today. - Rae
Australia Does Not Have A Bill Of Rights

The right to free speech has come up frequently in recent times, as the political climate both in Australia and abroad continues to draw heated debate. In the US, individuals often cite their First Amendment rights when they feel they have been censored. Setting aside an analysis of US law, Australia does not have an equivalent. Unlike the US, Australia does not have a bill of rights, and in fact is the only Western liberal democracy not to have one.

There has been some debate regarding whether Australia needs a bill of rights. Arguments for a bill include that by having a reference point, people will be able to more effectively enforce their rights. Arguments against a bill include that by defining rights we would by nature be limiting them. In Kruger v The Commonwealth (1997) 190 CLR 1, Dawson J stated, “The framers [of the Constitution] preferred to place their faith in the democratic process for the protection of individual rights.”

The Australian Constitution does not expressly guarantee many rights or freedoms, though it does guarantee a small handful (such as freedom of trade between the states in s 92). Freedom of speech is not one of them.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 17, 2019, 10:39:41 AM
Maybe you may understand this....

“Free speech” is often raised as a defence in the court of public opinion, particularly when people are called out by their ideological opponents. “You’re attacking my right to free speech!” However, either through forgetfulness or ignorance, many Australians don’t appear to realise free speech is not a legal right they hold.

This article was originally published in September 2017 - but still holds true today. - Rae
Australia Does Not Have A Bill Of Rights

The right to free speech has come up frequently in recent times, as the political climate both in Australia and abroad continues to draw heated debate. In the US, individuals often cite their First Amendment rights when they feel they have been censored. Setting aside an analysis of US law, Australia does not have an equivalent. Unlike the US, Australia does not have a bill of rights, and in fact is the only Western liberal democracy not to have one.

There has been some debate regarding whether Australia needs a bill of rights. Arguments for a bill include that by having a reference point, people will be able to more effectively enforce their rights. Arguments against a bill include that by defining rights we would by nature be limiting them. In Kruger v The Commonwealth (1997) 190 CLR 1, Dawson J stated, “The framers [of the Constitution] preferred to place their faith in the democratic process for the protection of individual rights.”

The Australian Constitution does not expressly guarantee many rights or freedoms, though it does guarantee a small handful (such as freedom of trade between the states in s 92). Freedom of speech is not one of them.
Maybe you will understand this.

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on March 17, 2019, 10:44:42 AM
It is interesting to see the outrage and response by non Muslim Australians that someone would do this to people of the Muslim faith.

Yet when the roles are reversed you hear no outrage no outcry by anyone in the Muslim community, they stay silent.


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and there has been a few that seem to go unreported as well.

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on March 17, 2019, 10:55:22 AM
Maybe you will understand this.


Curious, not arguing! :D

I was always under the impression that UN Resolutions don't override the Oz Constitution ??? ie just because the UN says "this rule applies", it will only apply if the Oz Govt / people accept it into law ???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on March 17, 2019, 11:27:56 AM
Interestingly it says in the quoted text above re the right of freedom of expression and opinion.
"The right is not absolute"
Leaves it open to interpretation by lawyers, politicians and forum members.  ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 17, 2019, 02:17:07 PM
Curious, not arguing! :D

I was always under the impression that UN Resolutions don't override the Oz Constitution ??? ie just because the UN says "this rule applies", it will only apply if the Oz Govt / people accept it into law ???
That article is from the attorney general government website... 


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on March 17, 2019, 04:03:31 PM


i hope the teen presses charges for assault agenst the senator.


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Serious???
So you're are condoning the act of throwing an egg at someone because they don't agree with someone?
I don't agree with what Anning said or his views, but I know throwing an egg is a form of assault.
The kid needs to be dealt with like anyone else is when they commit an offence.
On social media this kid has been described as a 'Hero' wtf.
In this day & age, if you can justify your outrage it makes it alright, yeah right.




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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on March 17, 2019, 04:13:34 PM


On social media this kid has been described as a 'Hero' wtf.





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Which is exactly what he was after, his 15 seconds on UTube.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on March 17, 2019, 04:55:01 PM
Which is exactly what he was after, his 15 seconds on UTube.
Yep,


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: kylarama on March 17, 2019, 04:59:44 PM
Anning is a flog.  Came to power by pure accident and 17 popular votes.
I don't agree with any person assaulting any politician. You don't have to respect the person, but the position must be respected.

Egg boy copped his right whack, and a touch up by a dozen odd rednecks in the aftermath.  Seems to have taken it all in his stride too, but the police should still charge him imo.

Given Anning's DH comments in recent days.
I'm tipping Scomo might apply a bit of pressure to Vic police to look at Annings 2nd hit on the kid.

In the big picture.  Anning is irrelevant at the next election.  No party would dare associate with him and he'll struggle on his own.

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on March 17, 2019, 05:22:02 PM
Sorry but it's got nothing to do with ScoMo.
Police will lay charges if they receive a complaint from the aggrieved and if they feel it warrants it and a prosecution is possible. I doubt Anning will attempt to bring charges.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 17, 2019, 05:25:32 PM

What i dont agree with is what was said since i have worked with a person who worships islam and came from kabul, i have seen the stuff he gets put through from people like fraiser anning but guess what the aged care home he works at they love him both staff and residents regardless of where he is from because he is kind and caring but yet gets painted by the same brush. punishing a group because of a few is all this is right now.

This needs to be read again before asking yourself why i was happy for what the kid did.

Heres another little fact: i watched the same person i know be verbaly abused in a shopping center by a store staff member with their manager watching with nothing done about it even with most of the people in the store demanding action for the staff members comments.

And now heres a kid that does something about someones comments (stupid yes but something) and everyone goes up in arms about a egg and not a sitting member of parlement that also served in the australian defence force who also happens to be taller and weigh more then the kid punching him and then the supporters putting him in a choke hold again people taller and heavyer then the kid. shall i need explain more?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on March 17, 2019, 05:44:41 PM

Serious???
So you're are condoning the act of throwing an egg at someone because they don't agree with someone?
I don't agree with what Anning said or his views, but I know throwing an egg is a form of assault.
The kid needs to be dealt with like anyone else is when they commit an offence.
On social media this kid has been described as a 'Hero' wtf.
In this day & age, if you can justify your outrage it makes it alright, yeah right.




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the “hero” is a gutless turd coward, that made sure he attacked someone from behind when they weren’t looking...much like many cowards toward with thier coward punches, seems to be the way these “hero’s” operate now. It’s pretty sad when people think a cowardly act like that is something to celebrate.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on March 17, 2019, 05:50:42 PM


And now heres a kid that does something about someones comments (stupid yes but something) and everyone goes up in arms about a egg and not a sitting member of parlement that also served in the australian defence force who also happens to be taller and weigh more then the kid punching him and then the supporters putting him in a choke hold again people taller and heavyer then the kid. shall i need explain more?

What's to say it wasn't something more?
Just saying.

And this brat, had his phone out recording it.


People all over the world are losing their Shite over this.



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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 17, 2019, 06:12:21 PM
the “hero” is a gutless turd coward, that made sure he attacked someone from behind when they weren’t looking...much like many cowards toward with thier coward punches, seems to be the way these “hero’s” operate now. It’s pretty sad when people think a cowardly act like that is something to celebrate.

Totally agree a gutless cowardly turd belittling and sending out out racist comments to people that had loved ones murdered only a couple of days ago and didnt have the balls to stand in front of them and say it to their face...wont even mention the morons and dipShits that worship him. Grand standing and only showing what a waste of space he really is. If he really believes the Shit he speaks..get over to NZ now and tellem that they all asked for it and deserved what they got...FFS   I think the kid will get over the fact that some thought he did the wrong thing...unlike his supposed peoples representative who has over a million people calling for his resignation and is now an international disgrace.  There,s a big difference between hitting an egg on someones hollow head and denigrating victims and family of a mass murder.

People all over the world are losing their Shite over this.  Yep..over the moron igniting hatred.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on March 17, 2019, 07:55:07 PM


There,s a big difference between hitting an egg on someones hollow head and denigrating victims and family of a mass murder.

People all over the world are losing their Shite over this.  Yep..over the moron igniting hatred.
I hope you get just as passionate about the genocide in West Papua and the hatred/persecution of Christians in Africa.
Please don't take this personally, watching forums/fb over the last day it is amazing how this has polarized peoples views and how they are reacting.

Not directed at you Bigfish,
Why has the NZ Prime minister started to wear a head scarf?
Why is there a growing movement in Grafton by people to distance them selves from this and there is also an outpouring of grief in Grafton that they feel they need to have a gathering?. See attached picture
Social media drives many agendas., 


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on March 17, 2019, 08:12:05 PM
Did anyone notice that the sun came up this morning in the east and went done again in the west.Very worrying
Title: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on March 17, 2019, 08:14:15 PM
and there has been a few that seem to go unreported as well.

Absolutely.

Quote
As with so many mass murders in recent years, the use of an assault rifle, the ubiquitous AR15, oxymoronically referred to as "the civilian M-16", explains how one cowardly killer could be so lethal.
It was much the same in the Pulse nightclub in Orlando three years ago, when one gunman shot dead 49 people in a crowded space and, though the motive appears very different, the same sort of military instrument of death lies behind the 58 deaths in Las Vegas a year later. An AR15 was used to shoot dead 11 worshippers in Pittsburgh's Tree of Life Synagogue last October and a similar weapon was used to kill six people in a Quebec City mosque in January 2017.
It is a credit to the peaceful nature of New Zealand society that, despite the open availability of weapons like the AR15, the last time there was a mass shooting was in 1997. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern rightly identified reform of gun laws as one of the immediate outcomes required in response to this tragedy.
But lax gun laws are arguably the only area in which blame can be laid in New Zealand. Ms Ardern, together with Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison, was also right to refer to this barbaric act of cold-blooded murder of people in prayer as right-wing extremist terrorism driven by Islamophobic hatred.

State and federal police in Australia have long warned that, next to the immediate threat posed by Salafi jihadi terrorism, they are most concerned about the steady rise of right-wing extremism.
There has been some comfort in the recognition that the most active right-wing extremist groups, and there are many, are disorganised, poorly led, and attract but small crowds.

On the face of it, then, right-wing extremism in Australia is nowhere near as serious as the neo-Nazi movements of Europe or the various permutations of white supremacy and toxic nationalism that bedevil American politics. In America, it is conservatively estimated that there were 50 deaths due to terrorist attacks in 2018, almost all linked to right-wing extremism.

In 2017, it is calculated that there were 950 attacks on Muslims and mosques in Germany alone. Many of last year's attacks in America involved a common right-wing extremist hatred of Islam, and a targeting of Muslims, joining a long-standing enmity towards Jews.

Almost all recent terrorist attacks have been lone-actor attacks. They are notoriously difficult to predict.
One of the main reasons authorities struggle with identifying right-wing extremist "nobodies" who post online, before they turn to violence, is that it's difficult to pick up a clear signal in the noise of a national discourse increasingly dominated by exactly the same narrative elements of mistrust, anxiety, and a blaming of the other.

In Australia, as in Europe and America, mainstream politicians and mainstream media commentators have increasingly toyed with extremist ideas in the pursuit of popularity. Many have openly brandished outrageous ideas that in previous years would have been unsayable in mainstream political discourse or commentary.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 17, 2019, 09:05:50 PM
Absolutely.

Quote
As with so many mass murders in recent years, the use of a rifle, the ubiquitous AR15, explains how one cowardly killer could be so lethal.
It was much the same in the Pulse nightclub in Orlando three years ago, when one gunman shot dead 49 people in a crowded space and, though the motive appears very different, the same sort of instrument of death lies behind the 58 deaths in Las Vegas a year later. An AR15 was used to shoot dead 11 worshippers in Pittsburgh's Tree of Life Synagogue last October and a similar weapon was used to kill six people in a Quebec City mosque in January 2017.
It is a credit to the peaceful nature of New Zealand society that, despite the open availability of weapons like the AR15, the last time there was a mass shooting was in 1997. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern rightly identified reform of gun laws as one of the immediate outcomes required in response to this tragedy.
But lax gun laws are arguably the only area in which blame can be laid in New Zealand. Ms Ardern, together with Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison, was also right to refer to this barbaric act of cold-blooded murder of people in prayer as right-wing extremist terrorism driven by Islamophobic hatred.

State and federal police in Australia have long warned that, next to the immediate threat posed by Salafi jihadi terrorism, they are most concerned about the steady rise of right-wing extremism.
There has been some comfort in the recognition that the most active right-wing extremist groups, and there are many, are disorganised, poorly led, and attract but small crowds.

On the face of it, then, right-wing extremism in Australia is nowhere near as serious as the neo-Nazi movements of Europe or the various permutations of white supremacy and toxic nationalism that bedevil American politics. In America, it is conservatively estimated that there were 50 deaths due to terrorist attacks in 2018, almost all linked to right-wing extremism.

In 2017, it is calculated that there were 950 attacks on Muslims and mosques in Germany alone. Many of last year's attacks in America involved a common right-wing extremist hatred of Islam, and a targeting of Muslims, joining a long-standing enmity towards Jews.

Almost all recent terrorist attacks have been lone-actor attacks. They are notoriously difficult to predict.
One of the main reasons authorities struggle with identifying right-wing extremist "nobodies" who post online, before they turn to violence, is that it's difficult to pick up a clear signal in the noise of a national discourse increasingly dominated by exactly the same narrative elements of mistrust, anxiety, and a blaming of the other.

In Australia, as in Europe and America, mainstream politicians and mainstream media commentators have increasingly toyed with extremist ideas in the pursuit of popularity. Many have openly brandished outrageous ideas that in previous years would have been unsayable in mainstream political discourse or commentary.

I fixed up the news for you because a assult rifle is a lightweight rifle developed from the sub-machine gun, which may be set to fire automatically or semi-automatically aka the F88 aug, ak47, M16, FN F2000 where as a rifle is a portable, long-barrelled firearm designed for long-range precision shooting, to be held with both hands and braced against the shoulder for stability that is not capable of semi or automatic fire. las vegas? that was done with what is called a bump stock that uses the guns recoil to fire new rounds at the cost of aim and percision.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on March 17, 2019, 09:07:12 PM
Totally agree a gutless cowardly turd belittling and sending out out racist comments to people that had loved ones murdered only a couple of days ago and didnt have the balls to stand in front of them and say it to their face...wont even mention the morons and dipShits that worship him. Grand standing and only showing what a waste of space he really is. If he really believes the Shit he speaks..get over to NZ now and tellem that they all asked for it and deserved what they got...FFS   I think the kid will get over the fact that some thought he did the wrong thing...unlike his supposed peoples representative who has over a million people calling for his resignation and is now an international disgrace.  There,s a big difference between hitting an egg on someones hollow head and denigrating victims and family of a mass murder.

People all over the world are losing their Shite over this.  Yep..over the moron igniting hatred.
read my earlier post to see my thoughts on the senator, I'm done with responding about peoples support of a brat that got the slap down he deserved.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on March 17, 2019, 09:28:14 PM
This is Myswag right? Just thought i might be accidentally found my way onto Facebook.  ;D

In other news, how good was Bottas in the F1 today? We could be in for interesting times at Mercedes this year.  Good drive by Max Verstappen too, might of had a chance out Hamilton but as usual got a bit eager and decided to mow the grass a tad.  Poor old Riccardio had another shocker but at the end of the year he will have earnt almost $50mill and probably still have the same number of world championships as Max. At least it cant get much worse than this weekend for him.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 17, 2019, 09:32:09 PM
This is Myswag right? Just thought i might be accidentally found my way onto Facebook.  ;D

In other news, how good was Bottas in the F1 today? We could be in for interesting times at Mercedes this year.  Good drive by Max Verstappen too, might of had a chance out Hamilton but as usual got a bit eager and decided to mow the grass a tad.  Poor old Riccardio had another shocker but at the end of the year he will have earnt almost $50mill and probably still have the same number of world championships as Max. At least it cant get much worse than this weekend for him.
Surprised people still watch F1. I can’t stand the fact that the best and fastest driver doesn’t always win. Team orders. Ruins the sport, can’t watch it anymore.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on March 17, 2019, 09:37:41 PM
Simple then, don’t watch it. And FFS if you just want to bitch about everything please go to Facebook.  >:(
Title: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 18, 2019, 04:21:19 AM
Simple then, don’t watch it. And FFS if you just want to bitch about everything please go to Facebook.  >:(
You are right I don’t watch it. Not real racing anymore.
Am I bitching about it or am I providing an accurate account of what happens?
Isn’t a forum an area for people
To discuss various topics and have different opinions? Maybe you should go to Facebook


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: brickiematt on March 18, 2019, 04:55:49 AM
Surprised people still watch F1. I can’t stand the fact that the best and fastest driver doesn’t always win. Team orders. Ruins the sport, can’t watch it anymore.


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The best and fastest driver (of the day) did win yesterday.
Bottas outclassed the entire field, including his teammate.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: dogbox on March 18, 2019, 07:15:25 AM
Which is exactly what he was after, his 15 seconds on UTube.

are they not spending a large amount of money to make people aware of the dangers of the "coward punch"
now they want to make someone who does it on utube a hero next thing it will common practice to assault
people an post on utube
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on March 18, 2019, 07:20:29 AM
are they not spending a large amount of money to make people aware of the dangers of the "coward punch"
now they want to make someone who does it on utube a hero next thing it will common practice to assault
people an post on utube

The only winner from the egg tosser is "Gofundme" because they skim 5% of all donations received.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: dogbox on March 18, 2019, 07:28:06 AM
i'm not a supporter of our over the top politician(s) but if he talks his filth the authorities can at least make a note of who his supporters are because if they get censored then they go under ground an become hard to monitor then the first time come to light is when something like NZ happens.

remember M.B. he sits in a small cell going mad no publicity if you can't remember M.B. then success
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 18, 2019, 09:02:02 AM
Quote from: JusyApples
Team orders. Ruins the sport, can’t watch it anymore.
Thats where you went wrong, you thought it was still a sport.. Hasnt been a for 20 yrs. Its all business now - I do agree with you though.. it happens in bikes too :(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on March 18, 2019, 09:25:04 AM
Just on the radio, apparently all staff have been locked out at the AVan factory in Packenham.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on March 18, 2019, 09:40:26 AM
Couldnt find the keys Huh !   ;D Doesnt sound like its going to be a good thing for the workers though .
The bubble has got to burst for some manufacturers that cant / wont / slow to adapt to changing times, There is that many out there atm for people to choose from, its a wonder how any of them are surviving ..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 18, 2019, 10:47:38 AM
Just on the radio, apparently all staff have been locked out at the AVan factory in Packenham.
talkin bout it now on 3AW https://www.3aw.com.au/ (https://www.3aw.com.au/)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Sir Campalot on March 18, 2019, 01:21:16 PM
Just on the radio, apparently all staff have been locked out at the AVan factory in Packenham.
Any further info? My oldies have an Avan on order, it was supposed to be in Perth for the caravan and camping show, however they have been told that their was a "delay in materials", so it wont be ready in time. Sounds dubious to me now....

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rodt on March 18, 2019, 02:06:09 PM
Have read that it is Jurgens.

Do they make avan?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 18, 2019, 02:59:33 PM
avan looks like a large place

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Merts on March 18, 2019, 03:38:16 PM
are they not spending a large amount of money to make people aware of the dangers of the "coward punch"
now they want to make someone who does it on utube a hero next thing it will common practice to assault
people an post on utube

Lol. He cracked an egg on his head. He didn't punch him, coward or otherwise.

Anning, on the other hand, did strike and attempt to strike the 'egger' in the head.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 18, 2019, 03:54:05 PM
The egger deserved a punch in the head.
I havent seen the footage, but how i see it, Anning would have felt something running down his head, for all he knew it could have been blood pissing out of his head. I wouldnt have waited and asked questions either.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 18, 2019, 04:02:37 PM
The egger deserved a punch in the head.
I havent seen the footage, but how i see it, Anning would have felt something running down his head, for all he knew it could have been blood pissing out of his head. I wouldnt have waited and asked questions either.

Yep...turning and giving the egg thrower a quick slap across the head was fine.  However then carrying on with another hit went too far.  If Anning , the turd, mouthed off like he did in some countries he,d be in jail for a long time. Here we are more tolerant but that will change.  Denigrating a group because you think like a neanderthal wont be tolerated. Anning and his ilk are nothing more than pond scum. I,ll never feel sorry for scum that are of no value to society.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on March 18, 2019, 04:56:15 PM
I havent seen the footage,
If that's true then you should watch it with a smile.... Like this one......  ;D

https://youtu.be/SKrL3b7CeDY (https://youtu.be/SKrL3b7CeDY)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 18, 2019, 05:16:26 PM
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12213889&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nzh_tw&ref=NZH_Tw&hootPostID=2ca09c11e78af3dc38ba232b0fd33a2d (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12213889&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nzh_tw&ref=NZH_Tw&hootPostID=2ca09c11e78af3dc38ba232b0fd33a2d)

Any money the kid got for any legal fee's is going back to the victums.

Shall the name calling continue now because that used to be common place when you were all younger? oh and btw im nearly 24 and ive looked after folks much older then me by atleast 50 years and they have remourse about the days where some stuff we dont do now was considered normal.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 18, 2019, 05:22:57 PM
The fact the little turd was filming himself doing it.

If ya belted him and you weren't happy with the effort, the recipient of said egging, has every right to correct the first tap on the chin with a second one.

I would've punched the little ****er until I was out of breath and knocked up.
Then, after a short nap and a cold drink, i'd kicked the little prick in the arse.

Friggin retard kid and his supporters..... dickheads.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on March 18, 2019, 05:40:07 PM
The fact the little turd was filming himself doing it.

Friggin retard kid and his supporters..... dickheads.

But Kev, he's "entitled" you know  >:D

So the entitled spoiled brat kid with an attitude looking for his 15 seconds of fame on youtube turns up armed with an egg and a camera before the idiot senator had started to speak, I'd say the egg was going to to be smashed regardless of what tripe came out of Annings mouth. No doubt Anning deserves to be put in his place for his comments, but the kid has absolutely no right to play the victim card ?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on March 18, 2019, 05:45:25 PM
The egger deserved a punch in the head.
I havent seen the footage, but how i see it, Anning would have felt something running down his head, for all he knew it could have been blood pissing out of his head. I wouldnt have waited and asked questions either.
you should watch it...it's hilarious watching the punk get the smack in the head he deserved, and just as the punk goes to throw one of his own, he gets another slap from the Senator for his trouble....lol
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on March 18, 2019, 05:48:36 PM
But Kev, he's "entitled" you know  >:D

So the entitled spoiled brat kid with an attitude looking for his 15 seconds of fame on youtube turns up armed with an egg and a camera before the idiot senator had started to speak, I'd say the egg was going to to be smashed regardless of what tripe came out of Annings mouth. No doubt Anning deserves to be put in his place for his comments, but the kid has absolutely no right to play the victim card ?

Yep I agree, as I said before the child was in the right place right time, if the child had of taken Anning on verbally about his feelings of what had happened and Anning's comments, then maybe he could be called a hero, but instead he showed his lack of intelligence and went with his premeditated violence.  Violence is not the answer.   
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on March 18, 2019, 05:54:44 PM
some were more impressed than others.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 18, 2019, 06:00:55 PM
you should watch it...it's hilarious watching the punk get the smack in the head he deserved, and just as the punk goes to throw one of his own, he gets another slap from the Senator for his trouble....lol

I also think the "senator" is severely lacking in the brain dept.... that's a given.

However, for someone in his position, he was pretty quick in the rebuttal.
Most politician's, just stand there not knowing which way is up.

Yeah Spada, the kid is entitled.... he was entitled to smack in the head..... or two.  ;D

And, I just looooove the way these morons are saying good on the kid.
Bet they wouldn't say that if it was their kid...... oh, maybe the really, really, reaalllllly dumb ****s might agree with the kid.

And, if anyone doesn't like my opinion, then tell me.... I have more.

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: krisandkev on March 18, 2019, 06:31:35 PM
No matter who the member of our parliament is, state or federal, that kid assaulted a member of parliament. Plain and simple. And for that greens female to call him a hero is an insult to all true hero's. I would love it if someone goes up to her and from behind smashed an egg on her head.  Kevin
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on March 18, 2019, 06:38:46 PM
It was a fvkken egg... geez, get some perspective people.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: dogbox on March 18, 2019, 06:43:05 PM
you should watch it...it's hilarious watching the punk get the smack in the head he deserved, and just as the punk goes to throw one of his own, he gets another slap from the Senator for his trouble....lol

the egger was attempting to throw a punch at the same time he got the second one
what if it wasn't an egg ? say it was a balloon full of chemicals or flammable liquid or some form of explosive device I wonder how this discussion would be travelling
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 18, 2019, 06:54:31 PM
No matter who the member of our parliament is, state or federal, that kid assaulted a member of parliament. Plain and simple. And for that greens female to call him a hero is an insult to all true hero's. I would love it if someone goes up to her and from behind smashed an egg on her head.  Kevin

Do you really believe that a member of parliament is any better than any other Australian citizen?  You have to be joking.  The majority have their snouts in the trough, use parliamentary privilege to say what they want, many have dubious dealings and  forever ensure their mates are given well paid jobs.  I have little respect for nearly all politicians with good reason.  Anning is a piece of Shit living off the taxes of hard working Aussies.  He,s been condemned by nearly every other politician in Australia as well as many international ones....except for that other racist bitch pauline hanson.  Anning is a gutless prick....As I said....go over to NZ and tell the families they got what they deserved...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on March 18, 2019, 07:12:37 PM
It was a fvkken egg... geez, get some perspective people.
Yeah,
Just like having your hand in the front of your shirt so it looks like a gun.
Perception, the intention was to cause a scene, it achieved that.
The little snot rag didn't expect the reaction he got.
Hope the brats family are proud of him.
Fark, if that was my kid.
Grrrrr

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 18, 2019, 07:55:45 PM
Just remeber everyone this happens on a daily with fraiser annings comments its called the president of the united states of america but i dont see you all getting bent out of shape with his comments or what he says daily on his twitter account.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on March 18, 2019, 08:20:22 PM
Just remeber everyone this happens on a daily with fraiser annings comments its called the president of the united states of america but i dont see you all getting bent out of shape with his comments or what he says daily on his twitter account.
Man, we’d need a whole new thread if we did that!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 19, 2019, 04:19:59 AM
Do you really believe that a member of parliament is any better than any other Australian citizen?  You have to be joking.  The majority have their snouts in the trough, use parliamentary privilege to say what they want, many have dubious dealings and  forever ensure their mates are given well paid jobs.  I have little respect for nearly all politicians with good reason.  Anning is a piece of Shit living off the taxes of hard working Aussies.  He,s been condemned by nearly every other politician in Australia as well as many international ones....except for that other racist bitch pauline hanson.  Anning is a gutless prick....As I said....go over to NZ and tell the families they got what they deserved...

Hey Bigfish... we get it, okay... you don't like pollies but geez, give it a friggin rest will you.

You've been banging on, and friggin on and friggin on about pollies and how bad they are.

Could you do me a tiny favour.... either change it or just shut the **** up.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 19, 2019, 06:08:00 AM
Hey Bigfish... we get it, okay... you don't like pollies but geez, give it a friggin rest will you.

You've been banging on, and friggin on and friggin on about pollies and how bad they are.

Could you do me a tiny favour.... either change it or just shut the **** up.

Nah mate..No favours for you.  Now bugger off.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on March 19, 2019, 08:06:48 AM
Well at least the "Great Egg Incident" does illustrate that neither freedom of speech, nor freedom of eggspression, comes without consequences. You could also argue, according to Anning, that it was his own fault for being there. I just see it as a clown act befitting of the recipient.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 19, 2019, 08:20:42 AM
Quote from: Kangaron
Just on the radio, apparently all staff have been locked out at the AVan factory in Packenham.

Apparently they were at Mornington on weekend taking orders ??? Did anyone go?
Quote
By Kyra Gillespie

Employees at a Pakenham caravan factory have been left with more questions than answers after they turned up to work on 18 March to find a lease termination sign posted on the locked front gates and security guarding the premises.


South African-owned Jurgens Australia has been at the Sharnet Circuit address in Pakenham for almost 10 years and was based in Tooradin prior to that.

Around 50 staff showed up to work on the Monday morning, only to be turned away at the gate.

“We were given no heads up,” production supervisor Matt Bright said.

An employee, who wished to have their name withheld, said Jurgens South African parent company Imperial Holdings Ltd, had been shut down for months.

“It’s been really slow and finances are getting pretty hard, I don’t know how long they are going to last,” the employee said.

“(Jurgens) get lots of their caravan kits from over there, but it’s been shut down and the new owners are currently involved in a court case.”

Another employee said the company hasn’t paid rent for 12 months and believes half a million dollars is owed in rent.

“Every employee has been left in the dark and been pretty much lied to,” he said.

“We all have rent, mortgages and children to pay for, yet we’ve been told no answers. What are we supposed to do?

“This has happened to them before I believe, but this may be the final nail in the coffin.”

Despite the South African parent’s financial woes, Jurgens has been making appearances at various caravan shows and posting on Facebook up until 13 March.

Just days before the closure of the Pakenham facility the manufacturer advertised a tour of the factory on Facebook, saying, “Would you like to see how a Jurgens caravan is built before you buy? Our factory tours have re-commenced for 2019. Call now to book.”

The phone lines appear to be disconnected.

Stewart and Kim Williams purchased a Jurgens caravan back in 2017 to tick off Kim’s bucket list following her diagnosis with dystonia, an incurable neurological movement disorder.

A few weeks into the trip their caravan ‘fell to pieces.’

“We got as far as Cooktown and it basically started to fall to pieces,” Mr Williams said.

“We travelled to Brisbane to try and get work done at one of their dealers, but eventually we had to drive back to the Pakenham factory.

“They offered to buy the caravan back, but we lost $15,000 because they considered it secondhand. It was only eight months old.”

The Tasmanian couple also claim that company owner Paul Kyriacou, who has been approached for comment, tried to make them sign a non-disclosure agreement.

“I didn’t sign it – I started warning people online against Jurgens and they blocked me out of all their sites.

“There were so many things wrong with our caravan – the oven and fridge fell out, the floor bowed and bellied, the awning was twisted and the external walls were all creased and rippled – the list goes on.

“All of this cost us a fortune with no warranty back-up whatsoever. They are not good people to deal with.

“They’ve been at every caravan show this year most likely collecting deposits that people have no chance of getting back.”

Jurgens have not responded to the Gazette’s request for comment.

In an article published in Caravancampingsales late last year, company owner Paul Kyriacou admitted there had been “significant speculation about the future of Jurgens Australia” following its South African branch, which can trace its DNA back 60 years, being placed into provisional liquidation.

The Pretoria High Court in South Africa therefore placed Jurgens Ci Pty Ltd in provisional liquidation and called on all interested parties “to show cause on or before 6 February 2019 why the respondent (Jurgens) should not be placed in final liquidation … ”

Paul Kyriacou was reported telling Jurgens Australia staff that the provisional liquidation was “old news“.

“We are in negotiations regarding this issue and I do not foresee Jurgens going into final liquidation,” he’d said.

Jurgens Ci (Pty) Ltd is one of the largest caravan manufacturers in the southern hemisphere and has built more than 100,000 caravans since 1952.

Jurgens are still registered on ASIC, however an ASIC spokesperson confirmed a notification of a court action relating to the winding-up of the company had been issued on 7 March.
https://pakenham.starcommunity.com.au/news/2019-03-18/no-plan-on-the-vans/
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: krisandkev on March 19, 2019, 09:01:00 AM
Hey Bigfish... we get it, okay... you don't like pollies but geez, give it a friggin rest will you.

You've been banging on, and friggin on and friggin on about pollies and how bad they are.
Could you do me a tiny favour.... either change it or just shut the **** up.

 :cup: :cup: :cup:

 I think he needs to move to a better country with a perfect system.  North Korea might suit him better.  ;D  But I think it is time for me to get out of this thread.  Getting a bit  >:( >:(   Kevin
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on March 19, 2019, 11:12:39 AM
Apparently they were at Mornington on weekend taking orders ??? Did anyone go?
second South African camper mob i’ve heard of in the space of a week having issues...rumour has it another company is in abit of trouble with the electrical honchos over thier 240V system in thier trailers.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on March 19, 2019, 11:47:00 AM
second South African camper mob i’ve heard of in the space of a week having issues...rumour has it another company is in abit of trouble with the electrical honchos over thier 240V system in thier trailers.

Quite a bit of discussion about that on a lot of sites, but mostly speculation and hearsay. Here's a thread on the topic, but it has been sanitised somewhat - https://www.conquerorforum.com/post/urgent-lfe-and-death-warning-re-240-volt-electrical-10073864 (https://www.conquerorforum.com/post/urgent-lfe-and-death-warning-re-240-volt-electrical-10073864)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 19, 2019, 01:33:55 PM
Quite a bit of discussion about that on a lot of sites, but mostly speculation and hearsay. Here's a thread on the topic, but it has been sanitised somewhat - https://www.conquerorforum.com/post/urgent-lfe-and-death-warning-re-240-volt-electrical-10073864 (https://www.conquerorforum.com/post/urgent-lfe-and-death-warning-re-240-volt-electrical-10073864)
Talk about a nothing thread LOL
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on March 19, 2019, 05:34:11 PM
Quite a bit of discussion about that on a lot of sites, but mostly speculation and hearsay. Here's a thread on the topic, but it has been sanitised somewhat - https://www.conquerorforum.com/post/urgent-lfe-and-death-warning-re-240-volt-electrical-10073864 (https://www.conquerorforum.com/post/urgent-lfe-and-death-warning-re-240-volt-electrical-10073864)
I'll read that link later...my source is from someone that was inside the brand and was at a bbq at my house when he told me.... let's just say he knew a fair bit about current events. I won't go into the details i've been told of what's been happening behind the scenes (lawyers are already involved), but the quick glance I did of your link mentioned an electric shock, that was mentioned to me amongst other stuff
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on March 19, 2019, 05:44:27 PM
I'll read that link later...my source is from someone that was inside the brand and was at a bbq at my house when he told me.... let's just say he knew a fair bit about current events. I won't go into the details i've been told of what's been happening behind the scenes (lawyers are already involved), but the quick glance I did of your link mentioned an electric shock, the person I was speaking with told me of 2 such cases he knew of himself (no idea who or how many that link mentions?).

I think you're on the money there from what I saw before that thread was sanitized. That forum thread suggested it was a dealer that has initiated the discussion after all of their showroom stock was deemed non-compliant? But I need to stress - I don't know any of the FACTS, this is just my assumption based on what I have seen & heard ?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on March 19, 2019, 05:52:44 PM
I think you're on the money there from what I saw before that thread was sanitized. That forum thread suggested it was a dealer that has initiated the discussion after all of their showroom stock was deemed non-compliant? But I need to stress - I don't know any of the FACTS, this is just my assumption based on what I have seen & heard ?
there's much more to it then that from what I was told, but if what I was told is correct (like you I don't have FACTS, just info from someone that was involved inside the brand), a dealer is in the mix of it.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on March 19, 2019, 07:19:37 PM
It would be interesting to know the facts. Building a compliant product really shouldn’t be that hard, provided Australian Standard compliant devices are used.  Wiring compliance is really about making sure cables are sized correctly, installed correctly (including protecting against damage) and protected by appropriate circuit breakers, fuses etc.

Interesting to read one post stating “the electrician said it was not possible to get an electric shock from our campers” or words to that affect. If you have 240V including mains, generator or an inverter, there is always the potential to get a shock (arguably the case even for 12v only setups, but far less likely to be fatal).

But if there is a safety issue, it won’t be the first or last for a manufacturer - plenty of products get recalled for saftey and/or compliance issues - and I am sure they will need to make good.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 20, 2019, 01:20:17 PM
http://www.thedrive.com/news/27021/2-3-million-1-of-2-koenigsegg-ccxr-special-edition-wrecked-in-mexico-city (http://www.thedrive.com/news/27021/2-3-million-1-of-2-koenigsegg-ccxr-special-edition-wrecked-in-mexico-city)

$2.3 Million, 1-of-2 Koenigsegg CCXR Special Edition Wrecked in Mexico City

The cause of the accident, which took place on Sunday, hasn't been released—though if it was a single-car crash, you can bet it involved a potent combination of less-than-ideal road conditions, unsuitable tires, and good ol' fashioned speed. Considering the Koenigsegg CCXR Special Edition has a twin-supercharged 4.8-liter V-8 shoving 1,017 horsepower to the rear wheels, it's frankly impressive that the car's stayed intact this long anyway.


(https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=70&w=1440&url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.thedrive.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F03%2Fkoenigsegg-ccxr-wrecked.jpg%3Fquality%3D85)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 20, 2019, 02:04:27 PM
http://www.thedrive.com/news/27021/2-3-million-1-of-2-koenigsegg-ccxr-special-edition-wrecked-in-mexico-city (http://www.thedrive.com/news/27021/2-3-million-1-of-2-koenigsegg-ccxr-special-edition-wrecked-in-mexico-city)

$2.3 Million, 1-of-2 Koenigsegg CCXR Special Edition Wrecked in Mexico City

The cause of the accident, which took place on Sunday, hasn't been released—though if it was a single-car crash, you can bet it involved a potent combination of less-than-ideal road conditions, unsuitable tires, and good ol' fashioned speed. Considering the Koenigsegg CCXR Special Edition has a twin-supercharged 4.8-liter V-8 shoving 1,017 horsepower to the rear wheels, it's frankly impressive that the car's stayed intact this long anyway.


(https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=70&w=1440&url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.thedrive.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F03%2Fkoenigsegg-ccxr-wrecked.jpg%3Fquality%3D85)


even if rebuilt this hurts i mean i love super cars but ouch.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on March 20, 2019, 03:41:48 PM
Hope the Donkey it hit survived .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on March 20, 2019, 04:25:13 PM
Just saw EGG BOY out at the airport booking a ticket to Turkey

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on March 20, 2019, 04:36:13 PM
Just saw EGG BOY out at the airport booking a ticket to Turkey

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Well he does have some go fund me money to spend :D ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: KeithB on March 20, 2019, 04:38:44 PM
(https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=70&w=1440&url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.thedrive.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F03%2Fkoenigsegg-ccxr-wrecked.jpg%3Fquality%3D85)

Anyone wanna take a guess at the repair bill with all of that carbon fibre and unobtainium?
I'd be surprised if he gets any change out of $500K. And that includes shipping it back to Europe for the work.
Your drug money at work.
Keith
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on March 21, 2019, 03:06:32 AM
Quote
AUSTRALIANS planning to travel to Turkey for Anzac Day are being urged to exercise caution and await further advice, following incendiary comments by the country’s president.

Australia’s travel advice to Turkey is under review after its president said Australians with anti-Muslim views would be sent home in coffins like their grandfathers.
  :o

http://www.mygc.com.au/anzac-day-travellers-urged-to-be-cautious/?fbclid=IwAR0xV9dZPJJzuvE0Pddtdj9b2wQslbrbrMWMpEiAVFrT-r5RY1hYMLV1rKQ (http://www.mygc.com.au/anzac-day-travellers-urged-to-be-cautious/?fbclid=IwAR0xV9dZPJJzuvE0Pddtdj9b2wQslbrbrMWMpEiAVFrT-r5RY1hYMLV1rKQ)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on March 21, 2019, 03:18:20 AM
  :o

http://www.mygc.com.au/anzac-day-travellers-urged-to-be-cautious/?fbclid=IwAR0xV9dZPJJzuvE0Pddtdj9b2wQslbrbrMWMpEiAVFrT-r5RY1hYMLV1rKQ (http://www.mygc.com.au/anzac-day-travellers-urged-to-be-cautious/?fbclid=IwAR0xV9dZPJJzuvE0Pddtdj9b2wQslbrbrMWMpEiAVFrT-r5RY1hYMLV1rKQ)


Whats the bet turkey is gonna regrett this and fast with the loss of the cash flow.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 21, 2019, 05:00:33 AM
Whats the bet turkey is gonna regrett this and fast with the loss of the cash flow.

Maybe it was "a captains call"...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on March 21, 2019, 06:57:55 AM
Maybe we should send him a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR2qjrgbP1w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR2qjrgbP1w) sounds like some one needs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEoSf43cDdo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEoSf43cDdo)  and if it keeps up it, we might need to get a bit more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceWKrsJX9N4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceWKrsJX9N4) and get a bit more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypk6tuxHI8Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypk6tuxHI8Y) and if ALL ELSE FAILS and we start getting coffins home,   reintroduce them to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPAt2mLP_KE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPAt2mLP_KE)  ..    ::)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on March 21, 2019, 11:42:23 AM
I remember this being predicted when Masters went belly up - https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/one-third-big-w-stores-forced-close-044719111.html
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 21, 2019, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Spada
I remember this being predicted when Masters went belly up - https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/one-third-big-w-stores-forced-close-044719111.html

Well McDonalds are pulling out of the shopping centers due to rent being so high, and some centers have multiple Big W's - I can see some of the westfields centers becoming ghost towns in future.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 21, 2019, 01:04:04 PM
Well McDonalds are pulling out of the shopping centers due to rent being so high, and some centers have multiple Big W's - I can see some of the westfields centers becoming ghost towns in future.

Dozens of really large shopping complexes in america have also gone belly up over the last decade.  Unbelievable the sheer size of the complex and the car parks...now just a virtual wasteland. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: achjimmy on March 21, 2019, 09:27:06 PM
Dozens of really large shopping complexes in america have also gone belly up over the last decade.  Unbelievable the sheer size of the complex and the car parks...now just a virtual wasteland.

Yep film sets for zombie movies 😂
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on March 22, 2019, 11:34:09 PM
Nothing to see here, please move along..... ;)

Quote
Anna Palmer was questioned at a public examination by liquidators investigating the collapse of Mr Palmer's Queensland Nickel refinery in Yabulu, north of Townsville.
She told the court that in 2018, while she was director of her husband's flagship company Mineralogy, she approved a transfer of 130 million Swiss francs ($A180 million) to a Bulgarian company called Palmer Investments.
The court heard that under the agreement, Mineralogy had to then pay interest on the money, which wasn't repayable by the Bulgarian company for 50 years.

Barrister John Peden — acting on behalf of liquidators — questioned how the loan could possibly be of benefit to Mineralogy.
"Wouldn't it just have been better to stash it under the mattress?" he asked.
"No," Mrs Palmer replied.
Mrs Palmer said it was an investment that was about "diversifying assets" and rejected a suggestion she was "disposing" of the money.
"Have you asked your husband [what happened to the 130 million Swiss francs?]" Mr Peden asked.
"I don't remember," she replied.

The court heard Ms Palmer was the sole director of Mineralogy between October last year and February, when she was removed and control was handed back to her husband.
During another hearing earlier this month, she told the court Mr Palmer was being funny when he told liquidators she was in control of managing the finances.
A wider lawsuit against Mr Palmer, his nephew Clive Mensink and associates over the collapse of Queensland Nickel is scheduled to go to trial in the Supreme Court in Brisbane in July.


Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on March 23, 2019, 08:24:53 AM
Hell of a thing when you "don't remember" what you did with $180 mill ::)

Puts not being able to find your glasses, or the car keys, in a whole new light, doesn't it >:(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: D4D on March 23, 2019, 09:18:00 AM
I can see some of the westfields centers becoming ghost towns in future.

That would be why Mr Westfield sold out last year...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on March 23, 2019, 08:29:58 PM
Hell of a thing when you "don't remember" what you did with $180 mill ::)

Puts not being able to find your glasses, or the car keys, in a whole new light, doesn't it >:(
All part of “putting Australia first” apparently.... ;)

After all, every good patriotic Australian should do all of their financial transactions to their Bulgarian companies in Swiss Francs...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on March 23, 2019, 08:53:32 PM
Jack Absalom passing
from ABC Broken Hill news site
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-24/jack-absalom-dead-at-91/10933358 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-24/jack-absalom-dead-at-91/10933358)

VALE JACK ABSALOM OAM

Painter, author, and television personality, Jack Absalom OAM passed away aged 91 in Broken Hill on Friday.

Working as a miner, kangaroo shooter, and in various contract roles in remote Australia, Jack knew a lot about survival.

He came to fame as one of the 'Brushmen of the Bush', founded in Broken Hill in the 1970s, along with fellow artists Pro Hart, John Pickup, Hugh Schulz, and Eric Minchin.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on March 23, 2019, 08:59:54 PM
All part of “putting Australia first” apparently.... ;)

After all, every good patriotic Australian should do all of their financial transactions to their Bulgarian companies in Swiss Francs...

And move all your business to NZ and then to Singapore https://outline.com/vAVD9d (used outline to get around the paywall)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: achjimmy on March 24, 2019, 05:56:45 AM
Jack Absalom passing
from ABC Broken Hill news site

VALE JACK ABSALOM OAM

Painter, author, and television personality, Jack Absalom OAM passed away aged 91 in Broken Hill on Friday.

Working as a miner, kangaroo shooter, and in various contract roles in remote Australia, Jack knew a lot about survival.

He came to fame as one of the 'Brushmen of the Bush', founded in Broken Hill in the 1970s, along with fellow artists Pro Hart, John Pickup, Hugh Schulz, and Eric Minchin.

Sad to hear , great Australian . Loved his shows on outback and touring
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on March 24, 2019, 07:32:33 AM
Jack Absalom passing

 :'(

For some reason, I thought he'd gone years ago ???

One of a breed that I don't think we'll ever see again.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on March 24, 2019, 07:34:47 AM
And move all your business to NZ and then to Singapore https://outline.com/vAVD9d (used outline to get around the paywall)

But if "Mr Palmer’s flagship private company Mineralogy is now owned by Mineralogy International, which is registered in Singapore", then surely MI must have paid for the company ???

In which case, Clive, you're no longer bankrupt, so here's a bill to clean up Qld Nickel; another one for unpaid wages & super; one for all your suppliers ... >:D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on March 24, 2019, 10:07:31 AM


http://www.thedrive.com/news/27021/2-3-million-1-of-2-koenigsegg-ccxr-special-edition-wrecked-in-mexico-city (http://www.thedrive.com/news/27021/2-3-million-1-of-2-koenigsegg-ccxr-special-edition-wrecked-in-mexico-city)

$2.3 Million, 1-of-2 Koenigsegg CCXR Special Edition Wrecked in Mexico City




The Doug Demuro review was going well until he got too excited over the cup holders ......

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: krisandkev on March 24, 2019, 01:11:07 PM
Jack Absalom passing
from ABC Broken Hill news site
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-24/jack-absalom-dead-at-91/10933358 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-24/jack-absalom-dead-at-91/10933358)

VALE JACK ABSALOM OAM

Painter, author, and television personality, Jack Absalom OAM passed away aged 91 in Broken Hill on Friday.

Working as a miner, kangaroo shooter, and in various contract roles in remote Australia, Jack knew a lot about survival.

He came to fame as one of the 'Brushmen of the Bush', founded in Broken Hill in the 1970s, along with fellow artists Pro Hart, John Pickup, Hugh Schulz, and Eric Minchin.

Very sad. Meet the great man while visiting his studio at Broken Hill. Brilliant painter.  Kevin
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 24, 2019, 03:19:42 PM
Jack Absalom passing
from ABC Broken Hill news site
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-24/jack-absalom-dead-at-91/10933358 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-24/jack-absalom-dead-at-91/10933358)

VALE JACK ABSALOM OAM

Painter, author, and television personality, Jack Absalom OAM passed away aged 91 in Broken Hill on Friday.

Working as a miner, kangaroo shooter, and in various contract roles in remote Australia, Jack knew a lot about survival.

He came to fame as one of the 'Brushmen of the Bush', founded in Broken Hill in the 1970s, along with fellow artists Pro Hart, John Pickup, Hugh Schulz, and Eric Minchin.
Bushmen of bush is interesting reading
https://www.abc.net.au/local/photos/2008/05/17/2247881.htm (https://www.abc.net.au/local/photos/2008/05/17/2247881.htm)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 25, 2019, 07:57:49 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190324/a2880c36100949616c66ceddaf9773d2.jpg)
Geez I remember certain forum members giving me crap about this and saying he would be impeached etc etc.

I’m sure this will be twisted or not reported by the media.




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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on March 25, 2019, 08:18:54 AM
I recon you're 100% correct.

"While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him," just got twisted into "No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!".....
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 25, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
I recon you're 100% correct.

"While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him," just got twisted into "No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!".....
Still towing the line hey.

He won on his own merits and you still can’t admit it.

Anyway I have shopping to do.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on March 25, 2019, 01:15:05 PM
Still towing the line hey.

He won on his own merits and you still can’t admit it.

Anyway I have shopping to do.


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Dunno about towing the line.

Was agreeing with you. ???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 25, 2019, 02:52:10 PM
So now we need Stop signs in Chinese too - but at only 1 intersection? slippery slope.

(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.19%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_70/t_crop_custom/w_800/q_86%2Cf_auto/57d564cfbee38d870fc9f34ff4b166476bc463c0)
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/driver-who-couldn-t-read-road-signs-blames-gps-for-deadly-crash-20190320-p515q5.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/driver-who-couldn-t-read-road-signs-blames-gps-for-deadly-crash-20190320-p515q5.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: glenm64 on March 25, 2019, 02:57:55 PM
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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 26, 2019, 12:41:33 PM
1 bullet problem solved
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/i-will-personally-execute-you-isis-carvers-letter-to-prison-boss/ar-BBVbqTt?ocid=sf (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/i-will-personally-execute-you-isis-carvers-letter-to-prison-boss/ar-BBVbqTt?ocid=sf)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on March 26, 2019, 03:03:00 PM
Good dose of beddy bye pills in the falafel and he's quietly off to the pet food factory to fill a few  a tins of Kitty Kat or Pal Puppy food .   :-*
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigpickle on March 26, 2019, 03:21:33 PM
Perhaps Australia's #1 Moron and her henchman should change their party's name to Gun Nation.

Only Q'billies could elect something this repulsive.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on March 26, 2019, 04:12:17 PM
So now we need Stop signs in Chinese too - but at only 1 intersection? slippery slope.

(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.19%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_70/t_crop_custom/w_800/q_86%2Cf_auto/57d564cfbee38d870fc9f34ff4b166476bc463c0)
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/driver-who-couldn-t-read-road-signs-blames-gps-for-deadly-crash-20190320-p515q5.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/driver-who-couldn-t-read-road-signs-blames-gps-for-deadly-crash-20190320-p515q5.html)
Heaps of traffic signs on the Great Ocean Road are in Chinese.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on March 26, 2019, 04:15:36 PM
I think you're on the money there from what I saw before that thread was sanitized. That forum thread suggested it was a dealer that has initiated the discussion after all of their showroom stock was deemed non-compliant? But I need to stress - I don't know any of the FACTS, this is just my assumption based on what I have seen & heard ?

Bit more coming to light - https://www.conquerorforum.com/post/notice-to-all-conqueror-trailer-camper-owners-electrical-issues-10088633?trail=#2 (https://www.conquerorforum.com/post/notice-to-all-conqueror-trailer-camper-owners-electrical-issues-10088633?trail=#2)

and there really starting to get wound up about it on here - https://www.facebook.com/groups/283857932238184/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/283857932238184/)

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on March 26, 2019, 05:35:58 PM
Bit more coming to light - https://www.conquerorforum.com/post/notice-to-all-conqueror-trailer-camper-owners-electrical-issues-10088633?trail=#2 (https://www.conquerorforum.com/post/notice-to-all-conqueror-trailer-camper-owners-electrical-issues-10088633?trail=#2)

and there really starting to get wound up about it on here - https://www.facebook.com/groups/283857932238184/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/283857932238184/)
that’s a lovely sanitised version of what I was told...lol....no idea what’s in the second link, as you need to be on Facebook to view by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on March 26, 2019, 05:38:58 PM
In a frenzied 39 second attack in which two men kicked and stomped on a man lying defenceless on the ground killing him, they have received a six year and a five and half year jail sentence for manslaughter.
How the hell can they plead this down to manslaughter and what the hell is the court doing giving them a slap on the wrist, they should be incarcerated for life.

They did not know the man they killed and responded to the scene after receiving a phone call from a friend.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on March 26, 2019, 05:59:15 PM
you need to be on Facebook to view by the looks of it.

Yep.......but they sure are a cranky bunch on there, lots of dummies ricocheting from all directions. one bloke has even had new decals made for his -

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on March 26, 2019, 06:03:26 PM
And here are the thoughts of one of the members after getting bit of a touch-up on the official Conqueror facebook page (I've removed the names) -

"Please be indulgent for my length of post. I have posted this to the Conqueror Face book and Web page, but I am sure it will be deleted and I will be banned.If you read the original post on the Conqueror Forum, you will get the picture.

Enough is enough Mr Edited name

To All

Yes! I deleted my post myself, the reason for which I detail below.

However, before that - I posted links to Facebook threads that were related to this topic and detailed the following facts:

1. The owner of the WA Conqueror dealers (West Coast Campers) detailed the incident involving his receiving a shock.
2. The owner of the WA Conqueror dealers (West Coast Campers) provided evidence of non compliance of all his current stock from the Regulatory Authority in WA.
3. One of the links documented evidence from the supplier of the product (Hager Australia) confirming the non compliance of electrical switch gear installed in Conqueror Australia supplied trailers.
4. Photographic evidence of the non compliant switching gear being installed in more than one Australian trailer.
5. Certification certificates that showed “compliance” - which were not complete/accurate or were issued prior to electrical devices having been installed.
6. Numerous owners have not even received a Compliance certificate
7. Photographic evidence of illegal electrical installations.
8. Evidence of previous posts that clearly show Conqueror Australia is and was aware of this issue and that they remedied at least one trailer but, did not and still has not issued a warning in relation to the potential threat involved.
9. The issue does not only relate to a non-compliant RCD – it also relates (as detailed on the non-compliance Certification) from the illegal workmanship and quality of the installation of the wiring and the illegal lack of adequate separation of 12volt and 240volt systems within the trailer build.

All of the above has also been backed up by many examples of anecdotal evidence, photographs, Copies of Compliance Certification from owners - receiving shocks, illegal installations, non compliant gear fitted etc etc.

There is huge conversation raging on other sites relating to this topic. It would appear that those involved are all customers of the current incarnation of Conqueror Australia (the edited name version) and are not frequent visitors (or not at all) to this site – hence the lack of conversation on this site – which is why I brought the conversation here.

Many of the participants in this conversation have actually been removed from the Conqueror site by the sole (edited name appointed) Moderator - edited name because they espouse views:

1. Contrary to his own beliefs about Conqueror Australia.
2. That offends his own personal relationships with Edited name.
3. Speak of Conqueror Australia in a negative way
4. Speak negatively of the Conqueror Australia Product.
5. Just generally offend him.

I have in fact been warned off and threatened with expulsion by edited name for “stirring the pot”.

In all the time that I have been involved with Conqueror Trailers, I have never provided illegal, spurious or defamatory advice or remarks to or about any person. The advice I have provided to members of this site has been in the best interest of both the product, the protection of the owner’s investment and to provide product support that Peter Nasser and Conqueror Australia should have been providing to his customers all along.

WHY DID I DELETE THE POSTS?

As I mentioned above, I have always provided advice for the betterment of the product.

Throughout this post, my motives, honesty and integrity have been called into question – not just on the open forum but through private messages and emails as well. I provide some following examples:

1. I clarified my wording (of the word ALL) when asked – however, this did not appease.

2. I have been called on to provide proof of the information – the links were provided for you to see the information firsthand.

3. The information from 2 reliable services (The WA Regulatory Authority for the certifications and the manufacturer of the non-compliant switching gear) was completely disregarded based on “my electrician told me...”

4. The validity of the information by the WA regulatory authority was called into question with incorrect interpretation of the relevant Australian Standards (it appears this has been corrected though).

5. Suggestions of Fraudulent evidence and Manufacturing of evidence – The Certificate of Non-Compliance from the WA Regulatory Authority.

6. Legally binding Certification of Non-compliance wasn’t good enough so photographic evidence was requested. (Links to photos were included in the original post).

This is a huge issue. It has the potential to KILL! I am not going to step back from that - which is why I have decided to make this response.

And by the way, I’m not the one pushing for a total recall. I am pushing for all the relevant details to be announced by edited name (or Regulatory Authorities) and for owners to be given the right to have their trailers rectified and recertified by independent inspectors and repairers at Conqueror Australia’s expense. This is what is due us as affected owners under Australian Consumer Legislation.

I will be blatantly honest - I don’t trust his independence or honesty in this issue.

edited name AND CONQUEROR AUSTRALIA.

edited name has continually failed to support his customers – He has known about this issue for quite some time – at least 12 months, He has made no effort to rectify or make a comment or commitment until I continued to poke him about it. And even that is extremely limited.

edited name has failed us all – go back and read just what has been posted on this site. Some have had great journeys – others “A journey through hell”.

edited name has lied to us all – Read the posts of others journeys (just on this site). How many promises has he made and not kept? Look at the lies about the ownership of the site – he was caught out and still has made no comment about it. He makes claims about having a PhD in Business Management – if he does - produce the Doctoral Parchment – he’s been asked and he hasn’t. Produce the undergraduate and postgraduate degrees (Bach Arts Degree, Bachelors Degree and Masters Degree) – he’s been asked and hasn’t.

edited name your deafening silence on this matter has made it necessary for others to shout out loud to be heard. Your behaviour has severely damaged this brand and my investment in it.

But worst of all – your quality control and workmanship has put my family’s safety at peril! I will not rest now until every affected trailer has been remedied."
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on March 26, 2019, 07:44:57 PM
https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/hundreds-of-militant-vegans-storm-queensland-farmers-property/news-story/db5a20ab05c1d817b67c153317fc13e5 (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/hundreds-of-militant-vegans-storm-queensland-farmers-property/news-story/db5a20ab05c1d817b67c153317fc13e5)

Another bunch of vegans making a nuisance of themselves. Apparently one asked “how do you shoot a cow humanely?”. One day a fed up farmer will give them a live demonstration - without hurting any cows.

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on March 26, 2019, 07:54:04 PM
In a frenzied 39 second attack in which two men kicked and stomped on a man lying defenceless on the ground killing him, they have received a six year and a five and half year jail sentence for manslaughter.
How the hell can they plead this down to manslaughter and what the hell is the court doing giving them a slap on the wrist, they should be incarcerated for life.

They did not know the man they killed and responded to the scene after receiving a phone call from a friend.
That is ridiculous. I'd probably get longer than that if I used my company credit card to pay for my personal petrol and rum requirements.  Deliberate unprovoked violence like that that ends in a fatality should be murder.

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on March 26, 2019, 07:56:32 PM
That is ridiculous. I'd probably get longer than that if I used my company credit card to pay for my personal petrol and rum requirements.  Deliberate unprovoked violence like that that ends in a fatality should be murder.

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How much rum do you drink? ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on March 26, 2019, 08:01:21 PM
How much rum do you drink? ;D
Waay too much.....

OK. Probably an exaggeration. Probably need to embezzle a few hundred thousand $$ to get that sort of sentence.....
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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on March 26, 2019, 08:15:24 PM
https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/hundreds-of-militant-vegans-storm-queensland-farmers-property/news-story/db5a20ab05c1d817b67c153317fc13e5 (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/hundreds-of-militant-vegans-storm-queensland-farmers-property/news-story/db5a20ab05c1d817b67c153317fc13e5)

Another bunch of vegans making a nuisance of themselves. Apparently one asked “how do you shoot a cow humanely?”. One day a fed up farmer will give them a live demonstration - without hurting any cows.
If I was the farmer, rather than chasing around the farm, I reckon it would be the perfect time to do a bit of weed control with the deadliest herbicide I could get my hands on, if the vegans happened to get in the way that would be a bit of bad luck, wouldn't be a problem if they weren't on his farm

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on March 26, 2019, 08:56:41 PM
https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/hundreds-of-militant-vegans-storm-queensland-farmers-property/news-story/db5a20ab05c1d817b67c153317fc13e5 (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/hundreds-of-militant-vegans-storm-queensland-farmers-property/news-story/db5a20ab05c1d817b67c153317fc13e5)

Another bunch of vegans making a nuisance of themselves. Apparently one asked “how do you shoot a cow humanely?”. One day a fed up farmer will give them a live demonstration - without hurting any cows.
the farmer should have shot a cow dead infront of them to show them how.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on March 26, 2019, 09:00:24 PM
Still towing the line hey.

He won on his own merits and you still can’t admit it.

Anyway I have shopping to do.


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The guy is just a scrote. Can't think of any other description.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on March 26, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/hundreds-of-militant-vegans-storm-queensland-farmers-property/news-story/db5a20ab05c1d817b67c153317fc13e5 (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/hundreds-of-militant-vegans-storm-queensland-farmers-property/news-story/db5a20ab05c1d817b67c153317fc13e5)

Another bunch of vegans making a nuisance of themselves. Apparently one asked “how do you shoot a cow humanely?”. One day a fed up farmer will give them a live demonstration - without hurting any cows.





Open the gates and have a running of the Bulls / stampede of the herd into that paddock   :angel:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on March 27, 2019, 04:12:23 AM
The guy is just a scrote. Can't think of any other description.
So constructive in your feedback


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 27, 2019, 05:34:34 AM
the farmer should have shot a cow dead infront of them to show them how.

I'd of picked out the ring leader and followed him to find out where he lives.

Then, just do the same to them. 10 or so farmers in masks go storming onto and into their property just after dark.
Barge in, makes an arse of ya self..... who knows, what you might find in the fridge/freezer or pantry.

I find often in life, those making the most noise are often the biggest hypocrites.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on March 27, 2019, 06:40:25 AM
Perhaps Australia's #1 Moron and her henchman should change their party's name to Gun Nation.

Only Q'billies could elect something this repulsive.

That's just not true, SA elect Sarah Hansen Young  ;)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on March 27, 2019, 06:47:48 AM
Have known  a few " Vegans " that  ate plenty of meat   ::) :-X  ;D   Then you have the I want to be trendy  I cant have gluten mob as well
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: achjimmy on March 27, 2019, 07:05:03 AM
I'd of picked out the ring leader and followed him to find out where he lives.

Then, just do the same to them. 10 or so farmers in masks go storming onto and into their property just after dark.
Barge in, makes an arse of ya self..... who knows, what you might find in the fridge/freezer or pantry.

I find often in life, those making the most noise are often the biggest hypocrites.

100%  :cheers:

The shooters party in NSW has vowed to offer up legislation to make the activists sharing farmers details and addresses illegal as currently in NSW a convicted pedoohile has more privacy rights than a farmer !
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: achjimmy on March 27, 2019, 07:06:29 AM
That's just not true, SA elect Sarah Hansen Young  ;)

Pretty much right she’s as repulsive on the other  end of the spectrum
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 27, 2019, 08:59:52 AM
and I cant win $10

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/i-might-think-about-retiring-melbourne-man-wins-23-million-lotto-draw-twice-20190327-p517wc.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/i-might-think-about-retiring-melbourne-man-wins-23-million-lotto-draw-twice-20190327-p517wc.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on March 27, 2019, 09:13:28 AM
and I cant win $10

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/i-might-think-about-retiring-melbourne-man-wins-23-million-lotto-draw-twice-20190327-p517wc.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/i-might-think-about-retiring-melbourne-man-wins-23-million-lotto-draw-twice-20190327-p517wc.html)
Tried buying a ticket?

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 27, 2019, 09:30:49 AM
Tried buying a ticket?
bought 5 this week
not worth checking
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on March 27, 2019, 11:56:18 AM
bought 5 this week
not worth checking
I let the app check it for me, I'm too lazy to sit there checking tickets

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 27, 2019, 12:09:34 PM
I let the app check it for me, I'm too lazy to sit there checking tickets

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i didnt get woken up with a phone call telling me I'd won twice, so... **** it
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on March 27, 2019, 12:45:42 PM
The Bloke must be  Irish   " To be sure "   " To be sure " buying two tickets   ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on March 27, 2019, 12:53:36 PM
i didnt get woken up with a phone call telling me I'd won twice, so... **** it
I got woken up with a phone call this morning telling me I’d won.......












I won a free geography lesson to find out exactly where Mauritania is...
Unfortunately for my new African friend I haven’t got around to ringing him back yet... ;)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 27, 2019, 01:10:15 PM
The Bloke must be  Irish   " To be sure "   " To be sure " buying two tickets   ;D
:cup: :cup:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on March 27, 2019, 01:12:36 PM
As a dog owner I totally agree with this rule.

 https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/bunnings-rule-about-dogs-wearing-muzzles-causes-fury-among-pet-owners/news-story/25018da804aa1cba8507fc579338b656 (https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/bunnings-rule-about-dogs-wearing-muzzles-causes-fury-among-pet-owners/news-story/25018da804aa1cba8507fc579338b656)

I’ve had one of those white fluffy “not my little angel” mutts have a nip right at my daughter’s face while walking past it in Bunnings a couple of years ago. Luckily the mongrel missed, but the evil b***h of an owner didn’t like what I had to say about it.

I’ll back Bunnings all the way with this one.

Quote
“Tradies have always brought their dogs in the back of utes and trucks into our stores and in 2015, we updated our conditions of entry to allow dogs into our entire store,” Ms Poole said.

“We understand that there are many differing views on this and after receiving a lot of feedback from customers and our team, we have really tried to use common sense to implement a balanced approach.”

Ms Poole said dogs were welcome in the store if they were friendly, under control and either secured safely in a vehicle, on a lead and wearing a muzzle or being carried.

“While this is used as a guide, each store uses its discretion and always tries to do what’s best for our customers. We encourage customers to speak to their local stores if they have any questions,” she said.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: ronmac on March 27, 2019, 01:31:28 PM
Gotta disagree with that one, How in the hell is my Staffy gonna eat his sausage sanga through a wire gage, just plain teasing the Shitta out of him. cheers Ron.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on March 27, 2019, 02:36:33 PM
Should keep the Mexicans and their wobbly boxes at bay for a little bit.

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on March 27, 2019, 02:47:18 PM
Should keep the Mexicans and their wobbly boxes at bay for a little bit.

Did I hear someone say something about going out to Birdsville?  >:D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on March 27, 2019, 02:48:18 PM
Actually came on to post this: https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/goldcoast/2019/03/27/police-assistance-to-find-camper-trailer-owner/ (https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/goldcoast/2019/03/27/police-assistance-to-find-camper-trailer-owner/)

May ring a bell with somebody ???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on March 27, 2019, 03:57:13 PM
Should keep the Mexicans and their wobbly boxes at bay for a little bit.

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Ha Ha, Queensland will go broke without us wetbacks propping up your economy  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on March 27, 2019, 04:07:12 PM
Actually came on to post this: https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/goldcoast/2019/03/27/police-assistance-to-find-camper-trailer-owner/ (https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/goldcoast/2019/03/27/police-assistance-to-find-camper-trailer-owner/)

May ring a bell with somebody ???

Have a look at the Police Link people photos. About 4 or 5 in there's a woman walking a bloody big cat, by the look of it!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: jclures on March 27, 2019, 05:11:10 PM
No, it is a dog.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on March 27, 2019, 06:28:10 PM
Not sure why they allow dogs in the store itself. Fair enough if they are out in a ute in the drive through section area. That's fine.
You'd think cranky old  Fluffy would be fine at home for the hour it takes the old ducks to come an buy potting mix and a fake owl

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on March 27, 2019, 06:37:53 PM
As a dog owner I totally agree with this rule.

 [url=https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/bunnings-rule-about-dogs-wearing-muzzles-causes-fury-among-pet-owners/news-story/25018da804aa1cba8507fc579338b656]https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/bunnings-rule-about-dogs-wearing-muzzles-causes-fury-among-pet-owners/news-story/25018da804aa1cba8507fc579338b656 (https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/bunnings-rule-about-dogs-wearing-muzzles-causes-fury-among-pet-owners/news-story/25018da804aa1cba8507fc579338b656)[/URL]

I’ve had one of those white fluffy “not my little angel” mutts have a nip right at my daughter’s face while walking past it in Bunnings a couple of years ago. Luckily the mongrel missed, but the evil b***h of an owner didn’t like what I had to say about it.

I’ll back Bunnings all the way with this one.

Pete
I would much prefer to take my unmuzzled dog to Bunnings but first I would prefer to travel along the road towing my van doing 15km under the speed limit before speeding  up to 15 above the limit when an overtaking lane appears.😀

I must ask though why was a 6 inch high white dog was eyeballing your daughters face.
I'm guessing the dog was tucked up safely in a trolley and the daughter approached the dog.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on March 27, 2019, 07:10:39 PM
Weve  had a couple of the cant be be left at home I go with Mumzie and Dadzie everywhere Yappy / snarling accessories try to take a piece out of us as they brushed  past us in the isles, over the years.
Told one Biddy to control her vicious mutt or I'd wring its @#**&^%%@# neck, then she could use it as a mop .
There is NO need for the average  Mutt to be taken into  shops,   Proper trained specialty service dogs I have no problems at all with  .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 27, 2019, 07:30:57 PM
Our daft dog hears the keys for the wagon or ute and comes out to see if it involves her, to the extent I can leave the tailgate down on the 4Runner and she'll disappear sometimes to be found in the boot just lying there.

She'll come out for a drive with us normally, and will stay in the ute's dog box. Won't leave her in the car, one of us will stay there with her.

Occasionally she used to come to work in the office with me, and as long as she's got a "bed" she'll lie down anywhere - most of the time it's an old towel that stays in the dog box with her. Camping? She gets tied to the car (away from anything she can chew) and she'll dig herself a hole to sleep in...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on March 27, 2019, 08:32:41 PM
I was told once when walking through the entry area that I would have to muzzle my dog. We were only out walking the dog and stopping by for a snag instead of making lunch. Can't think of any reason why I would want to take the dog in the store.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on March 27, 2019, 08:40:36 PM
I was told once when walking through the entry area that I would have to muzzle my dog. We were only out walking the dog and stopping by for a snag instead of making lunch. Can't think of any reason why I would want to take the dog in the store.

Agree.  Its only a very small minority of people who want to take their dog into a store.  I,ll bet it doesnt go into Coles or Woolies...so why should it be ok to take it into a busy centre such as bunnings.  Leave Fido at home and shop peacefully.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: lloydus67 on March 27, 2019, 08:56:01 PM
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28 days in the big house, I wonder if the brat over here is worried


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on March 27, 2019, 09:03:17 PM
Agree.  Its only a very small minority of people who want to take their dog into a store.
The same type who want to breast feed in public.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on March 27, 2019, 09:20:59 PM
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28 days in the big house, I wonder if the brat over here is worried


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not when you have the muppets we have in this country that were calling him a hero
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on March 27, 2019, 09:40:59 PM
I must ask though why was a 6 inch high white dog was eyeballing your daughters face.
I'm guessing the dog was tucked up safely in a trolley and the daughter approached the dog.
Yes my evil 9yo daughter was going around shoving her face right in front of snarling mutts hoping to loose an eye.... ::)

The mongrel was hanging out the side of the trolley trying to find something to snap at as the oblivious owner was concentrating on choosing paint colours.
I was far enough away as I passed it that it didn’t bother with me, unfortunately my daughter was a fraction closer and her face was right at snapping level.
As much as I wanted to completely loose it, I didn’t say anything at first. But after it had a go at the next couple of people that where unfortunate enough to wonder down that isle, I couldn’t hold back any longer.

Fortunately though, I’ve only ever crossed paths with that one bad owner inflicting their poorly behaved flea bag on other shoppers.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: chester ver2.0 on March 28, 2019, 08:09:02 AM
Agree.  Its only a very small minority of people who want to take their dog into a store.  I,ll bet it doesnt go into Coles or Woolies...so why should it be ok to take it into a busy centre such as bunnings.  Leave Fido at home and shop peacefully.

Ok i will admit i am one of those guys that has taken my dog to Bunnings in the past and there was a reason for this. I took my puppy there a few times when he was young as a socialization exercise so he could get used to multiple sounds and people, however i used to stick some cardboard down and put him in the trolley on a lead
He now rides in the back of the ute if we are driving through to pick up wood and it has gotten to the point were Bunnings must be said in the same low tone as walk or you have a fur ball following your every move till you grab the keys
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on March 28, 2019, 08:20:47 AM
The same type who want to breast feed in public.

can you clarify this statement just a bit?

plenty of women have to breast feed in public, but do so with appropriate coverings...

are you against this?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on March 28, 2019, 08:58:22 AM
can you clarify this statement just a bit?

plenty of women have to breast feed in public, but do so with appropriate coverings...

are you against this?

No, not against feeding done discretely.
Was referring to those that got out of their way to be seen.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on March 28, 2019, 08:59:01 AM
No, not against feeding done discretely.
Was referring to those that got out of their way to be seen.

roger that...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on March 28, 2019, 09:07:35 AM
Quote from: lloydus67
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28 days in the big house, I wonder if the brat over here is worried

Worried ... with our laws? Worried ?? ROTFLMAO - he'll probably be eligible for some form of Arts Grant of $250,000
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on March 28, 2019, 05:48:45 PM
The same type who want to breast feed in public.

You mean normal people? Breast feeding is a completely natural function, and shouldn't have any stigma attached to it at all, anywhere, any time. I remember a few years back a woman in a restaurant was asked to toke her baby to the ladies toilets to feed it, because one of the patrons complained about it. Could you imagine someone telling you to go and eat your dinner in the sh*thouse? I know what my mrs would have told them LOL.

But on the side of taking dogs into Bunnings, I've taken ours in there a few times. If we've been down the bay for the morning, and want to pick something up on the way home, because it is just easier than making two trips. And being a small dog (Jack Russel), they have no problem with him being in the trolley, instead of wearing a muzzle. That's the rule they quoted me "in the trolley, or wearing a muzzle". The only person he almost bit was some smart arse dickhead that thought it was funny to try and put his hand around the dogs muzzle, because he barked at him. I bet he doesn't do that again for a while..  >:D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 28, 2019, 06:15:00 PM
Wrong thread...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on March 28, 2019, 07:57:17 PM
You mean normal people? Breast feeding is a completely natural function, and shouldn't have any stigma attached to it at all, anywhere, any time. I remember a few years back a woman in a restaurant was asked to toke her baby to the ladies toilets to feed it, because one of the patrons complained about it. Could you imagine someone telling you to go and eat your dinner in the sh*thouse? I know what my mrs would have told them LOL.

But on the side of taking dogs into Bunnings, I've taken ours in there a few times. If we've been down the bay for the morning, and want to pick something up on the way home, because it is just easier than making two trips. And being a small dog (Jack Russel), they have no problem with him being in the trolley, instead of wearing a muzzle. That's the rule they quoted me "in the trolley, or wearing a muzzle". The only person he almost bit was some smart arse dickhead that thought it was funny to try and put his hand around the dogs muzzle, because he barked at him. I bet he doesn't do that again for a while..  >:D
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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on March 29, 2019, 05:06:46 PM
It's egg throwing season in Victoria, what a flucking joke 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 01, 2019, 08:50:08 PM
 https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/australia/mighty-super-volcano-lies-beneath-sydney.aspx (https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/australia/mighty-super-volcano-lies-beneath-sydney.aspx)

MIGHTY SUPER VOLCANO LIES BENEATH SYDNEY
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Sydney sits atop a super volcano which while not predicted to erupt in the next 10,000 years has slowed down the progress of two of the nation’s largest infrastructure projects.

A slew of documents released under the Commonwealth Government’s 30-year rule revealed a report from a Sydney University’s Institute of Volcanology outlining the size of the volcano lying underneath the city.
There was some suspicion the volcano existed according to sources who have worked on both the Sydney Light Rail and WestConnex projects. One unnamed Sydney geologist says rock temperatures just 2m beneath Sydney’s “glorious sandstone base” hinted at a “larger heat source below”.
The geologist says while the delays have been blamed on problems dealing with the utilities along the 12.5km light rail route, a large part of the blame can be attributed to volcanic activity.
Interestingly, neither the state or federal government have provided a comment so far, although a source within the federal government has said they were aware of some volcanic activity in Australia as Sydney is near the Newer Volcanics Province.
According to the Institute of Volcanology’s current Volcanologist-in-residence Professor Leonard Spock, the volcano formed in the Precambrian and the subsequent Paleozoic and Mesozoic eras (541 to 66 million years ago).
“From the end of the Mesozoic through the early Cenozoic, mountain-building processes formed the Great Dividing Range and during the Cenozoic era (approximately the last 66 million years of Earth’s history), widespread mountain-building, volcanism, faulting, and glaciation sculpted the Sydney Basin,” Professor Spock tells National Geographic exclusively.
He says he was “gobsmacked” when he saw the released documents and had no idea the study had been completed in the Institute’s past.
“There is no record of it in our archives but one of our older colleagues, who was a student at the time, remembers a series of boxes being removed by Australian Federal Police in 1988. She said it was during the nation’s Bicentennial celebrations and there was a lot of activity right across the campus.”
Spock says the discovery really backs up the statement that we know more about the surface of the moon than what lies beneath us.
As for a potential eruption, Professor Spock says “nothing can be done to prevent an eruption. The temperatures, pressures, physical characteristics of partially molten rock, and immensity of the magma chamber are beyond human ability to impact - much less control.”
Yet while an eruption is theoretically possible, “it is very unlikely in the next thousand or even 10,000 years.”
On a very positive note, Professor Spock and the geologist agree the volcanic activity could be a boon to the city’s energy needs.
They say there is enormous potential to build geothermal power plants that could supply the energy needs of Sydney thousands of times over for up to 16,000 years.
“We would have energy beyond the timetable of the next eruption and by harnessing the power of the volcano we may be able to get a better understanding of how to mitigate against excessive volcanic damage,” Professor Spock says.
He explains geothermal stations create electricity by relying on liquid or vapor heated deep within the Earth.
“We could drill down into the high-temperature bedrock below the sandstone, create an open reservoir and pump liquid into it to be heated.
“It would be cheaper than one coal-fired power plant and would service Sydney’s energy needs for millennia to come.”
Happy April Fools!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on April 01, 2019, 10:02:36 PM
I hope the story on Facebook, about Bullbars being banned in NSW by the current State Government.  Is just as factual as your Volcano one Pete.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rodt on April 02, 2019, 06:02:32 AM
[url=https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/australia/mighty-super-volcano-lies-beneath-sydney.aspx]https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/australia/mighty-super-volcano-lies-beneath-sydney.aspx (https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/australia/mighty-super-volcano-lies-beneath-sydney.aspx)[/URL]

MIGHTY SUPER VOLCANO LIES BENEATH SYDNEY
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According to the Institute of Volcanology’s current Volcanologist-in-residence Professor Leonard Spock,

Live long and prosper  ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 02, 2019, 07:03:16 AM
Live long and prosper  ;D
Haha. I actually missed that the first time I read it.. ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 02, 2019, 08:38:13 AM
MIGHTY SUPER VOLCANO LIES BENEATH SYDNEY

No, it's actually somewhere round the NW tip of Tassie :D

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/09/australia-is-hiding-the-worlds-largest-chain-of-dormant-supervolcanoes/ (https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/09/australia-is-hiding-the-worlds-largest-chain-of-dormant-supervolcanoes/)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Merts on April 02, 2019, 10:29:26 AM
No, not against feeding done discretely.
Was referring to those that got out of their way to be seen.

Yeah, I reckon we can chalk that down under "things that practically never happen". Just because someone is breast feeding and doesn't choose to smother their infant with a blanket or something doesn't mean they are going out of their way to be seen. Maybe you could consider just minding your own business?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 02, 2019, 11:11:56 AM
Haha. I actually missed that the first time I read it.. ;D

That was the tipping point at which I was confident enough to call BS.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 02, 2019, 12:19:57 PM
That was the tipping point at which I was confident enough to call BS.
Hmmm...
Would you believe they’re going to change Orange’s name then..?? :P

 https://youtu.be/zK94JXEsETQ (https://youtu.be/zK94JXEsETQ)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on April 02, 2019, 12:31:27 PM
Yeah, I reckon we can chalk that down under "things that practically never happen". Just because someone is breast feeding and doesn't choose to smother their infant with a blanket or something doesn't mean they are going out of their way to be seen. Maybe you could consider just minding your own business?

Considered, but I don't think so.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 02, 2019, 01:43:17 PM
Hmmm...
Would you believe they’re going to change Orange’s name then..?? :P

 https://youtu.be/zK94JXEsETQ (https://youtu.be/zK94JXEsETQ)

That actually do a pretty good job of selling that!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bunyip on April 02, 2019, 05:09:56 PM
That actually do a pretty good job of selling that!

Whatever they call it the tag line should be "A great place to leave".

Wonder how much of their constituents money they wasted on that, even the printing costs were too much considering the state of the place.
Mind you with the amount of parking fines they issue there it would cover the cost easily.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on April 03, 2019, 07:27:33 AM
Yeah, I reckon we can chalk that down under "things that practically never happen". Just because someone is breast feeding and doesn't choose to smother their infant with a blanket or something doesn't mean they are going out of their way to be seen. Maybe you could consider just minding your own business?
It can be uncomfortable for a bloke. I know a few times in shopping centres etc where I have accidentally looked and noticed a lady breast feeding with her boob not hidden then if they make eye contact with you it feels very uncomfortable and sometimes you feel like a perve.
You don’t have to smother the child to be discrete


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Merts on April 03, 2019, 08:20:57 AM
It can be uncomfortable for a bloke. I know a few times in shopping centres etc where I have accidentally looked and noticed a lady breast feeding with her boob not hidden then if they make eye contact with you it feels very uncomfortable and sometimes you feel like a perve.
You don’t have to smother the child to be discrete

You feeling uncomfortable or 'like a perv' is your problem, not the person trying to feed their child.
Might I suggest that if it worries you, when you see someone breast feeding, choose to look somewhere else rather than making eye contact?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on April 03, 2019, 09:01:53 AM
You feeling uncomfortable or 'like a perv' is your problem, not the person trying to feed their child.
Might I suggest that if it worries you, when you see someone breast feeding, choose to look somewhere else rather than making eye contact?
Sorry merts I am not as perfect as you. Sometimes when you are at the shops you often make eye contact with people sometimes they maybe breast feeding but you might not initially realise they are breast feeding at the time. In my experience it makes me uncomfortable. But you are perfect so obviously it doesn’t happen.

My wife is breast feeding at the moment.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Merts on April 03, 2019, 10:44:24 AM
Sorry merts I am not as perfect as you. Sometimes when you are at the shops you often make eye contact with people sometimes they maybe breast feeding but you might not initially realise they are breast feeding at the time. In my experience it makes me uncomfortable. But you are perfect so obviously it doesn’t happen.

I never said or implied that I was perfect, or that you (or others) didn't feel uncomfortable.

All I said was that you feeling uncomfortable is YOUR problem, and it objectively is.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 03, 2019, 11:12:01 AM
Forget the looks,  Its the rejection from not being allowed  to latch onto the spare or having a greedy little sucker wanting both,  Im uncomfortable with .. Oh and all the yelling / kicking / finger pointing and wanting to call the cops carry on . Even my wife gets cranky about me lining up  too .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on April 03, 2019, 11:29:41 AM
This thread has lost its way, a verbal stoush over breast feeding, what a pair of boobs. ;D :D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on April 03, 2019, 11:55:19 AM
This thread has lost its way, a verbal stoush over breast feeding, what a pair of boobs. ;D :D

its really gone tits up in here more so then when eggboy was in the news.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: raider on April 03, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
This thread has lost its way, a verbal stoush over breast feeding, what a pair of boobs. ;D :D
It's clear that we need to get abreast of the situation. ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: glenm64 on April 03, 2019, 02:45:56 PM
Stop milking it boys.

Cheers Glen

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on April 03, 2019, 02:55:50 PM
Stop milking it boys.

Cheers Glen

That made me titter!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 04, 2019, 07:12:29 AM
Stop milking it boys.

Cheers Glen
I think this thread is teatering on being locked, it's gotten udderly rediculous
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on April 04, 2019, 08:00:09 AM
This thread used to be about what was in the news...............ah, the mamories
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 04, 2019, 08:33:07 AM
This thread used to be about what was in the news...............ah, the mamories
its still titillating
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: chester ver2.0 on April 04, 2019, 09:22:02 AM
Ok back on track..... Pretty sad to hear of an 18 year old killed by being buried under a pile of scaffolding in Sydney this week
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 04, 2019, 10:52:49 AM
Quote from: chester ver2.0
Ok back on track..... Pretty sad to hear of an 18 year old killed by being buried under a pile of scaffolding in Sydney this week

Everyone deserves to come home from work every day...

Talkin to a few mates who are in this kinda work, they said safety and quality are dropping fast due to the amount of work they have to do... in the fantasy world, quality and safety would be paramount, in the real world $$$$ rules. :(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: GGV8Cruza on April 04, 2019, 11:28:20 AM
Everyone deserves to come home from work every day...

Talkin to a few mates who are in this kinda work, they said safety and quality are dropping fast due to the amount of work they have to do... in the fantasy world, quality and safety would be paramount, in the real world $$$$ rules. :(

I have a different take on it and so does my boss, safety first and then $$. Very happy to be working for them and in 30 years of my building career never had a major incident and have been managing sites day to day.

Sad for the people affected in Sydney, will be interesting to see the outcome

GG
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 04, 2019, 11:40:04 AM
Sad for the people affected in Sydney, will be interesting to see the outcome
will be very interesting to hear how this tragedy actually occurred
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 04, 2019, 11:47:55 AM
Quote from: Rumpig
will be very interesting to hear how this tragedy actually occurred

Looking at the photos - there was a **** load of scaff there...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 04, 2019, 12:16:14 PM
Looking at the photos - there was a **** load of scaff there...
that's not uncommon, but having it fail like that is...did someone modify / remove an area to get stuff through somewhere?, was it overloaded with building materials (didn't appear to be)?,  did something run into the scaffold to cause it's collapse?...could have been a multitude of things, though my money is on the first thing I suggested.....being that i work on the same scaff regularly i will follow any inquest with interest
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: GGV8Cruza on April 04, 2019, 03:10:14 PM
that's not uncommon, but having it fail like that is...did someone modify / remove an area to get stuff through somewhere?, was it overloaded with building materials (didn't appear to be)?,  did something run into the scaffold to cause it's collapse?...could have been a multitude of things, though my money is on the first thing I suggested.....being that i work on the same scaff regularly i will follow any inquest with interest

Ties to the Scaffold could be the reason, there has been some chatter regarding a materials hoist on the face being overloaded and bringing it all down.

GG
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 04, 2019, 03:43:10 PM
Some Kiwi bigwigs might get a bit more of a responce than they bargained for over this one ... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12218989&fbclid=IwAR10bPmO3_wnZEpVN-K6_xJYDJdATMIGyG17_uD9k-HHWorVM6HiQbsGi3M (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12218989&fbclid=IwAR10bPmO3_wnZEpVN-K6_xJYDJdATMIGyG17_uD9k-HHWorVM6HiQbsGi3M)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: KeithB on April 04, 2019, 03:53:48 PM
Maybe they should remember these words:

Gallipoli - Memorial at Anzac Cove by Ataturk.

"Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives…
You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours…
You, the mothers, who sent their sons from faraway countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace, after having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well."
Ataturk, 1934
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 04, 2019, 04:07:43 PM
Ties to the Scaffold could be the reason, there has been some chatter regarding a materials hoist on the face being overloaded and bringing it all down.

GG
makes sense it came down if that's the case
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: brickiematt on April 05, 2019, 04:45:52 AM
Ties to the Scaffold could be the reason, there has been some chatter regarding a materials hoist on the face being overloaded and bringing it all down.

GG

Speaking to the scaff boys at work yesterday, they said removal of ties was the cause of it coming down.
If that is the case, then someone is in a whole world of trouble.
Very sad situation for the young blokes family.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 05, 2019, 10:59:50 AM
Someones in for an arse kicking


Details are starting to emerge about the state of the Campbellfield chemical waste disposal facility when it was inspected by a taskforce comprising the EPA and emergency services in early March.

Sources say the surprise inspection on March 13 found leaking containers and spilled chemicals on the factory floor. The breaches have been described as "extremely alarming" given that employees were onsite and working near the contamination.

The EPA issued a "show cause" notice to Bradbury about its permit breaches and then suspended its license when Bradbury failed to meet its demands.


(https://cf-images.ap-southeast-2.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/3910869709001/3b099f52-9798-43ae-b1c4-a96e5a52bec8/56f60be6-d083-4e36-922c-14e061e5cd4f/1280x720/match/image.jpg)

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-express-friday-april-5-2019-20190404-p51aq0.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-express-friday-april-5-2019-20190404-p51aq0.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: austastar on April 05, 2019, 11:51:03 AM


......., they said removal of ties was the cause of it coming down.
Hi,
    What are ties and their function?
Just curiosity on my part,
Cheers



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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: GGV8Cruza on April 05, 2019, 12:04:41 PM
Hi,
    What are ties and their function?
Just curiosity on my part,
Cheers



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Scaffold is not self supporting to those types of heights. A tie is used every given distance by and engineer and ties the scaffold to the structure of the building. A concrete column or edge of slab is common. The problem starts when we start to wrap the building in brickwork, glass or whatever the outer skin is. We need to remove ties to do this sometimes and it is re-tied back through a window or the likes. The less ties the weaker the hold on the building. Hope that helps.

GG
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: austastar on April 05, 2019, 12:31:19 PM
Hi,
    Thanks, well explained.
Cheers

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 05, 2019, 01:44:31 PM
Scaffold is not self supporting to those types of heights. A tie is used every given distance by and engineer and ties the scaffold to the structure of the building. A concrete column or edge of slab is common. The problem starts when we start to wrap the building in brickwork, glass or whatever the outer skin is. We need to remove ties to do this sometimes and it is re-tied back through a window or the likes. The less ties the weaker the hold on the building. Hope that helps.

GG
It would be a fairly complex course to learn how this stuff works?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on April 05, 2019, 03:10:07 PM
Someones in for an arse kicking


Details are starting to emerge about the state of the Campbellfield chemical waste disposal facility when it was inspected by a taskforce comprising the EPA and emergency services in early March.

Sources say the surprise inspection on March 13 found leaking containers and spilled chemicals on the factory floor. The breaches have been described as "extremely alarming" given that employees were onsite and working near the contamination.

The EPA issued a "show cause" notice to Bradbury about its permit breaches and then suspended its license when Bradbury failed to meet its demands.


(https://cf-images.ap-southeast-2.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/3910869709001/3b099f52-9798-43ae-b1c4-a96e5a52bec8/56f60be6-d083-4e36-922c-14e061e5cd4f/1280x720/match/image.jpg)

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-express-friday-april-5-2019-20190404-p51aq0.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-express-friday-april-5-2019-20190404-p51aq0.html)

Is this what they call a cleanup job?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: brickiematt on April 05, 2019, 06:42:57 PM
It would be a fairly complex course to learn how this stuff works?

Yeah it is! It's not just a case of bunging a few bits of tube together!! Scaff like the one that collapsed would had to have been designed for that particular building, engineered for static loads,  and erected properly by licensed scaffolders. An advanced ticket takes about 15 days to complete.
The scaffold also needs to be tagged, inspected and signed off every week.
No one is to remove or alter the scaff under ANY circumstances. We have to follow the scaffolders around when dismantling to fill in any bricks or blocks we left out for ties.
I work on scaff every day. Sometimes  2m off the ground, sometimes 10m, sometimes 10 floors or more off the ground. I like to know that my scaff is safe!!
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: austastar on April 05, 2019, 09:28:53 PM


. I like to know that my scaff is safe!!
Hi
    Terra Firma,......the more firmer, the less terror.

Cheers



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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: brickiematt on April 06, 2019, 06:56:43 AM
Hi
    Terra Firma,......the more firmer, the less terror.

Cheers



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 :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 06, 2019, 08:16:07 AM
Maybe they should remember these words:

Someone probably needs to flick that to President Erdogan in Turkey :(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 08, 2019, 07:21:43 AM
Portable battery pack starts car fire.

 https://www.9news.com.au/national/superwoman-canberra-mum-drags-kids-from-car-seconds-before-it-explodes-into-flames/dc60f2a8-c39f-422f-8fef-b919faa0827a (https://www.9news.com.au/national/superwoman-canberra-mum-drags-kids-from-car-seconds-before-it-explodes-into-flames/dc60f2a8-c39f-422f-8fef-b919faa0827a)

Quote
Catherine Mayes had just pulled up at a park with her two children, 20-month-old Tommy and five-month-old Hunter, when she heard a “pop” and then a “fizz” from a portable battery pack which was sitting on the front seat of the car.

The battery pack then started smoking and caught on fire.

....

The Boxo battery pack that exploded can be used to jump start your car, charge your phone and other items.

The family had been keeping it in the car in case of breakdowns.

The battery pack comes with a warning about being left in the sun but it still shouldn’t catch alight.

The specific battery box in question;

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on April 08, 2019, 04:35:41 PM
It seems a few Vegan Animal Activist have made news and maybe got the opposite of what they were hoping for with many people deciding to eat meat today

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on April 08, 2019, 04:38:30 PM
that’s a lovely sanitised version of what I was told...lol....no idea what’s in the second link, as you need to be on Facebook to view by the looks of it.

Looks like a bit more may be coming of it Rummy, this quote is from their forum -

"But apparently all staff and admin have been layed off
At conqueror
And conqueror Wii not be attending the Brisbane 4x4 camping show
coming up

This was quoted by a employee Blain __________ ."
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on April 08, 2019, 04:54:43 PM
and this is from the facebook page -

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on April 08, 2019, 06:11:19 PM
It seems a few Vegan Animal Activist have made news and maybe got the opposite of what they were hoping for with many people deciding to eat meat today

It would seem that the Vegans in the Qld abattoir were using extortion as a means to their madness. They were prepared to remove themselves for a dowry, the price of the dowry was 3 lambs today.
This country is heading quickly to the dump with ratbags like these trying to dictate the way we should live. And we have stupid people listening and happy to support and vote into government their political groups.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on April 08, 2019, 07:11:12 PM
It would seem that the Vegans in the Qld abattoir were using extortion as a means to their madness. They were prepared to remove themselves for a dowry, the price of the dowry was 3 lambs today.
This country is heading quickly to the dump with ratbags like these trying to dictate the way we should live. And we have stupid people listening and happy to support and vote into government their political groups.


Can't disagree with you
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: dogbox on April 08, 2019, 08:18:26 PM
It would seem that the Vegans in the Qld abattoir were using extortion as a means to their madness. They were prepared to remove themselves for a dowry, the price of the dowry was 3 lambs today.
This country is heading quickly to the dump with ratbags like these trying to dictate the way we should live. And we have stupid people listening and happy to support and vote into government their political groups.
I wonder what will happen to the 3 lambs when they find out they not just cuddly wooly white things and it takes a lot of effort to look after them.
they will probably be dumped somewhere an get mauled by wild dogs
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 08, 2019, 09:08:27 PM
Looks like a bit more may be coming of it Rummy, this quote is from their forum -

"But apparently all staff and admin have been layed off
At conqueror
And conqueror Wii not be attending the Brisbane 4x4 camping show
coming up

This was quoted by a employee Blain __________ ."
A fair bit of what i was told seems to have come out on the net by the looks of it, but some of the stuff I was told I doubt will be made public. Will be interesting to see what becomes of the brand from here.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 08, 2019, 10:53:55 PM
I wonder what will happen to the 3 lambs when they find out they not just cuddly wooly white things and it takes a lot of effort to look after them.
they will probably be dumped somewhere an get mauled by wild dogs


BBQ  at Little Weeds place this week and Lamb on the spit at Bill and Bens next week  ... 
  The reason we eat meat is because all those Veggie heads eat  the animals food, So we have to Knock and eat the animals to put them out of their misery before the poor Bastards starve to death .  Upset a Veggie head at at work today with that one ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 09, 2019, 08:27:36 AM

BBQ  at Little Weeds place this week and Lamb on the spit at Bill and Bens next week  ... 
  The reason we eat meat is because all those Veggie heads eat  the animals food, So we have to Knock and eat the animals to put them out of their misery before the poor Bastards starve to death .  Upset a Veggie head at at work today with that one ;D ;D

& we can always rely on you to be PC to the absolute max, can't we Edz ;D :cup:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: krisandkev on April 09, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
Watching these stupid vegans I am reminded of school kids being allowed to go on strike and go on protest marches.  You think the vegans are bad, imagine how things will be in the not too far away future.  But so many were supporting the school kids and even proud of them.  Kevin
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 09, 2019, 09:54:12 AM
Not arguing, Kev :D, but in what real way does it differ to union protest marches, or teachers going out on strike for a day ???

Saw one kid on the news with a poster "You're complaining we're not at School, but you just gave us a day off for a horse race"
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 09, 2019, 10:28:46 AM
Quote from: krisandkev
Watching these stupid vegans I am reminded of school kids being allowed to go on strike and go on protest marches.

wonder how many of them are on the dole. None of them looked like they had an IQ of greater than their shoe size.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 09, 2019, 01:14:38 PM
Watching these stupid vegans I am reminded of school kids being allowed to go on strike and go on protest marches.  You think the vegans are bad, imagine how things will be in the not too far away future.  But so many were supporting the school kids and even proud of them.  Kevin


Maybe theyve been listening to George    ;D  ##  LANGUAGE   ##
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slacaOnopCs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slacaOnopCs)   ;D ;D


Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Mace on April 09, 2019, 01:40:02 PM
Rivian Electric Twin  Cab Ute.

https://youtu.be/k7rKsZZPT1Y

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 09, 2019, 02:31:44 PM

Maybe theyve been listening to George    ;D  ##  LANGUAGE   ##
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slacaOnopCs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slacaOnopCs)   ;D ;D

or Issac
  ##  LANGUAGE   ##
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaR9_loA2ig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaR9_loA2ig)
  ##  LANGUAGE   ##
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on April 09, 2019, 03:14:00 PM
wonder how many of them are on the dole. None of them looked like they had an IQ of greater than their shoe size.
noticed a few were wearing beanies and scarves. Probably made from wool, from the very farmers they are attacking.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 09, 2019, 03:17:59 PM
Rivian Electric Twin  Cab Ute.

https://youtu.be/k7rKsZZPT1Y

Though I wonder if you packed a campers roof with 1kw of panels I wonder how far you could each day from the charge, some quick sums later and about 20km is the answer and that is without taking the reduced efficiency of towing into account, Assuming about 20,000km to do the big lap with some side trips would be about 3 yrs to make it around purely on solar.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 09, 2019, 03:39:14 PM
wonder how many of them are on the dole. None of them looked like they had an IQ of greater than their shoe size.

Be funny to use some electric fence stuff, but very discreetly hidden, so when they go to jump the fence.... a good solid zap.
Most lecky fences can be spotted a mile, but something decent, maybe juiced up a bit, nothing that would kill anyone.

I'm sure it could be done... see how clever they are when their zapped and being a farmer, I have to keep my livestock within my fence line.

At least when they squeal, you get warning they're coming too.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on April 09, 2019, 04:31:28 PM
Though I wonder if you packed a campers roof with 1kw of panels I wonder how far you could each day from the charge, some quick sums later and about 20km is the answer and that is without taking the reduced efficiency of towing into account, Assuming about 20,000km to do the big lap with some side trips would be about 3 yrs to make it around purely on solar.

This got me thinking about how long it will be before some shiny-arsed, brown nosed, natural light avoiding, bean counting, self-serving knob in Canberra comes up with the idea of a "Solar Energy Tax" on sales of portable solar panels, as they have done with the tariff on the use of rain water from your own dam?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on April 09, 2019, 06:44:49 PM
This got me thinking about how long it will be before some shiny-arsed, brown nosed, natural light avoiding, bean counting, self-serving knob in Canberra comes up with the idea of a "Solar Energy Tax" on sales of portable solar panels, as they have done with the tariff on the use of rain water from your own dam?
Will you shut up Steffo, they don't need any help from you  :D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 09, 2019, 08:35:02 PM
or Issac
  ##  LANGUAGE   ##
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaR9_loA2ig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaR9_loA2ig)
  ##  LANGUAGE   ##

And his one in response to the protests
Language Warning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-c3KpU9Dzk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-c3KpU9Dzk)
 
Also saw this one posted again in response https://www.facebook.com/awakenwithjp/videos/1313773811971811/ (https://www.facebook.com/awakenwithjp/videos/1313773811971811/)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on April 10, 2019, 08:06:55 AM
Rivian Electric Twin  Cab Ute.

https://youtu.be/k7rKsZZPT1Y

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: KeithB on April 10, 2019, 08:43:41 AM
If ever there was any doubt, it looks like the " Best Aussie Vans" award might be a bit of a crock.
http://rvdaily.com.au/rvd/issue038/#19 (http://rvdaily.com.au/rvd/issue038/#19)
Keith
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tedota on April 10, 2019, 09:29:52 AM
The old brown paper bag society
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 10, 2019, 09:34:29 AM
as they have done with the tariff on the use of rain water from your own dam?

Please explain.....

This smells like Allan Jones do-do to me.
Can't find anything anywhere that says any Australian is being taxed for using rainwater for domestic private use.
Back in the days when I worked in an office and was fortunate enough to sit next to a work colleague that listened to that bile on the radio, I did once hear a caller ring in and carry on about how if they brought in the carbon tax Labor where going to charge him for the rainwater that fell into his swimming pool. Obviously Allan agreed whole hartedly with this load of crap.

In WA and VIC the rules are clear;
Quote
The WA 1989 is the primary legislation guiding water allocation and management in Victoria. This Act brought together many previously existing pieces of water related legislation and established a framework for water management.
The WA 1989 extinguishes riparian rights. Instead, the Crown has the right to the use, flow and control of all water in a waterway and all groundwater. The Act recognises and confers a number of other entitlements including:

Statutory rights to use rainwater and other water that flows or occurs on their land which is not in a waterway or bore.4 This does not include the use of water from a spring or soak or water from a private dam. Other than for stock and domestic purposes, a person must get a licence for the use of this water.

Can't find anything on the QLD gov website about any tariffs on domestic dams, I know for a fact my neighbours on either side of my place don't pay a cent for the water that comes out of thier dams.
You do have to register your bores so the local council can charge you for taking that water whenever they decide they need a new income stream, but for the moment as best I can see rainwater is still free for domestic use, regardless of where it is stored.

Unless someone can point to a document that says otherwise???

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on April 10, 2019, 10:16:43 AM
Please explain.....

This smells like Allan Jones do-do to me.
Can't find anything anywhere that says any Australian is being taxed for using rainwater for domestic private use.
Back in the days when I worked in an office and was fortunate enough to sit next to a work colleague that listened to that bile on the radio, I did once hear a caller ring in and carry on about how if they brought in the carbon tax Labor where going to charge him for the rainwater that fell into his swimming pool. Obviously Allan agreed whole hartedly with this load of crap.

In WA and VIC the rules are clear;
Can't find anything on the QLD gov website about any tariffs on domestic dams, I know for a fact my neighbours on either side of my place don't pay a cent for the water that comes out of thier dams.
You do have to register your bores so the local council can charge you for taking that water whenever they decide they need a new income stream, but for the moment as best I can see rainwater is still free for domestic use, regardless of where it is stored.

Unless someone can point to a document that says otherwise???

Sorry, Pete, I should have been more specific. Property dams in certain areas i.e. S.A., used for primary production, are metered.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on April 10, 2019, 10:20:01 AM
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/farm-anger-at-dam-water-charges/news-story/27f598cbb3976ae1276a806932809015 (https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/farm-anger-at-dam-water-charges/news-story/27f598cbb3976ae1276a806932809015)

has been around for ages, they were trying to bring in NSW a few years ago too. 
Title: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 10, 2019, 10:21:32 AM
Sorry, Pete, I should have been more specific. Property dams in certain areas i.e. S.A., used for primary production, are metered.
All good mate.
I was worried that something was happening in your area, which meant it would happen in my area soon enough.

Primary producers paying for water usage is fair enough in my books. ;)


Edit;

Al’s old news article sums it up.
Use the water in your dam for your stock to drink it’s free, use it to water the grass it’ll cost you a whole 1 cent for 1,000L.

If I use my 50,000L of rain water just inside the house for me and my family to drink I have heaps of free water.
If I water the lawn and gardens every day I run out of free water pretty quick and have to buy it for $180-$200 for each 10,000L truck load.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on April 10, 2019, 12:14:20 PM
That's steep for your water. Our local carrier is $145 for 12,000 litres.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 10, 2019, 12:21:44 PM
That's steep for your water. Our local carrier is $145 for 12,000 litres.

Pity you didnt have a farm next to Adanis new mine. Qld govt has promised zero cost for all water used and no meters on its bores....Meanwhile every other person in Oz has to pay for water. We really are a nation of dimwits.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 10, 2019, 12:49:04 PM
It was $250 per load and 2 week waiting list a couple of years ago when we didn’t get any September/October storms.

We refused that extortion and carted our own water 200L at a time for about 3 weeks while we waited for the first storms of the season that year.

I put in another 22,500L tank after that, but as it always happens we’ve had good seasons and full tanks ever since.. ;)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on April 10, 2019, 01:11:00 PM
You can never have too many tanks! We have 2 x 22,000 for the house, 3 x 22,000 for the fruit and vegies and 1 x 5,000 for the unit.
With only two in the house, we're pretty right.
I do use the dam for the fruit trees a fair bit too but, as it's a fair way away, I have to use the 900 litre fire tank on the 'tilly to do it.
The tanks are plumbed to the irrigation so, a lot easier.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on April 10, 2019, 08:20:02 PM
Sorry, Pete, I should have been more specific. Property dams in certain areas i.e. S.A., used for primary production, are metered.

You may be confused with meter water  when pumped from a river to a storage dam. It is a common practice for farmers to pump from a river into a storage dam, enables them to grab all of their allocation when available and not necessarily use when available but saved for a non- rainy day. This water is metered ( in NSW by State Water) and most likely in other states particularly under the Murray Darling plan. I spent a bit of time helping amate who had a contract to fit the meters, was great work.
Some times the farmer gets greedy https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-22/anthony-barlow-fined-for-water-theft/10930026 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-22/anthony-barlow-fined-for-water-theft/10930026)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on April 10, 2019, 08:43:32 PM
You can never have too many tanks! We have 2 x 22,000 for the house, 3 x 22,000 for the fruit and vegies and 1 x 5,000 for the unit.
With only two in the house, we're pretty right.
I do use the dam for the fruit trees a fair bit too but, as it's a fair way away, I have to use the 900 litre fire tank on the 'tilly to do it.
The tanks are plumbed to the irrigation so, a lot easier.

On my old place in the NSW Blue Mts we had a single poured onsite in ground concrete tank of 120000litres ( biggest size back in 1990).  When I first built I didn't have enough roof space to capture enough water to fill it, so for the 1st 10 years it never overflowed. We fixed that problem by doubling the house size and also building a triple size garage. I also built  a seperate shed on the top of the tank as the tank had a diameter of 8.5 metres so with the lid squared up it was a great shed floor. After this with a large catchment area , good rainfall of around 1+ metre per year, the tank never every dropped in water level and would overflow with a shadow of a cloud.
I designed and set the tank up so it was self cleansing whenever it was overflowing which worked a treat.
Today the company that built my tank do even larger tanks
https://www.panthersconcretetanks.com.au/residential-tanks/ (https://www.panthersconcretetanks.com.au/residential-tanks/)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on April 10, 2019, 10:05:47 PM
You may be confused with meter water  when pumped from a river to a storage dam. It is a common practice for farmers to pump from a river into a storage dam, enables them to grab all of their allocation when available and not necessarily use when available but saved for a non- rainy day. This water is metered ( in NSW by State Water) and most likely in other states particularly under the Murray Darling plan. I spent a bit of time helping amate who had a contract to fit the meters, was great work.
Some times the farmer gets greedy https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-22/anthony-barlow-fined-for-water-theft/10930026 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-22/anthony-barlow-fined-for-water-theft/10930026)

Not metered water pumped from a river but being charged for having a Dam that captures rain water only.  It has been mentioned by State Governments and also Local Councils, depending how green or greedy they are. 
Title: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 11, 2019, 08:34:03 AM
As above, the law says they have to be taking water out of the dam for uses other then for stock or personal use.

Despite what Mr Jones is shouting at you, there is no charges for just having a dam on your property collecting rainwater.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on April 11, 2019, 09:10:25 AM
As above, the law says they have to be taking water out of the dam for uses other then for stock or personal use.

Despite what Mr Jones is shouting at you, there is no charges for just having a dam on your property collecting rainwater.

Not until the Watermelon Party get in 8) >:(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on April 11, 2019, 09:40:21 AM
Election called.
Let the games begin


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 11, 2019, 09:58:33 AM
Election called.
Let the games spin begin


It now rhymes.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 11, 2019, 10:12:39 AM
Election called.
Let the games begin


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the sooner it’s over the better, sick of hearing about it on tv and these pollies BS ads already.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on April 11, 2019, 10:15:00 AM
the sooner it’s over the better, sick of hearing about it on tv and these pollies BS ads already.
Especially Clive. If you believed his ads, you would have thought he saved the planet


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 11, 2019, 10:29:07 AM
Sports bet has Labor at 1.16, the libs at 4.85. Think that says a lot about what is going to happen. Having said that 4.85 isn't too bad odds in what is essentially a 2 horse race.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on April 11, 2019, 11:00:36 AM
Sports bet has Labor at 1.16, the libs at 4.85. Think that says a lot about what is going to happen. Having said that 4.85 isn't too bad odds in what is essentially a 2 horse race.
I think a few months ago if was going to be a whitewash but I think recently the coalition are getting closer, especially with some of these hair brain policies bill is coming up with.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 11, 2019, 11:09:14 AM
Election.... A month of lies promises and ****in more Clive Palmer

(https://i.imgur.com/tJLfGmr.gif)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 11, 2019, 05:44:51 PM
I'd be ****ed off too if this was in my area.



Quote
Drug dealers are flocking to Richmond to exploit a loophole that allows them to carry around 30 hits of heroin near the state's first injecting room, as local officers say they are powerless to stop them.

....

Two police officers told The Age they have been instructed not to patrol the area around the facility, where they say people with the intention of using the injecting room are able to carry up to three grams of heroin without being arrested.

"Crime is happening down there but we are forbidden from working on drugs in that area ... we were told not to patrol around there, not to do anything," said one local officer, who did not want to be named.

Public heroin use spurs calls for change at Richmond injecting room
"It's very frustrating for the members because all they're doing is taking crime reports and doing nothing about it."

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-powerless-to-stop-dealers-exploiting-drug-loophole-around-injecting-room-20190411-p51dba.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-powerless-to-stop-dealers-exploiting-drug-loophole-around-injecting-room-20190411-p51dba.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 11, 2019, 06:47:20 PM
Might need to enlist the councils help and send in a few Shit pumper trucks to "  clean out some blocked  sewerage lines  "     ;)   ::) .. The smell should make them leave the area pretty quick  maybe even an " accidental disharge "  ;D ..
Could be good for Vegan protesters too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgOtVe9AgX0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgOtVe9AgX0)     ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: dogbox on April 11, 2019, 08:44:38 PM
Might need to enlist the councils help and send in a few Shit pumper trucks to "  clean out some blocked  sewerage lines  "     ;)   ::) .. The smell should make them leave the area pretty quick  maybe even an " accidental disharge "  ;D ..
Could be good for Vegan protesters too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgOtVe9AgX0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgOtVe9AgX0)     ;D ;D
copied from another forum

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: dogbox on April 11, 2019, 08:47:26 PM
http://www.candm.com.au/forum/download/file.php?id=14354 (http://www.candm.com.au/forum/download/file.php?id=14354)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on April 11, 2019, 09:53:56 PM
Yesterday was just another day in Townsville... 10 & 12 year olds stealing cars again... except karma caught up this time....
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-11/townsville-mini-van-crash-child-charged/10992062 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-11/townsville-mini-van-crash-child-charged/10992062)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on April 11, 2019, 10:30:10 PM
https://www.9news.com.au/world/world-news-julian-assange-arrested/921cde04-713d-4041-bb4b-7f76dd59bc59 (https://www.9news.com.au/world/world-news-julian-assange-arrested/921cde04-713d-4041-bb4b-7f76dd59bc59)

Finally. Coward can stop hiding now
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 11, 2019, 10:39:15 PM
https://www.9news.com.au/world/world-news-julian-assange-arrested/921cde04-713d-4041-bb4b-7f76dd59bc59 (https://www.9news.com.au/world/world-news-julian-assange-arrested/921cde04-713d-4041-bb4b-7f76dd59bc59)

Finally. Coward can stop hiding now
Coward? he had the balls to spill the beans on lots of Shit that would never have seen daylight...

now all that will happen is he will get railroaded
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on April 11, 2019, 10:45:08 PM
Coward? he had the balls to spill the beans on lots of Shit that would never have seen daylight...

now all that will happen is he will get railroaded

The Balls to spill the beans while he stayed in hiding.  Sounds like a coward to me.  He knew what he was doing, he knew what the consequence was why not face it instead of running off and hiding. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 11, 2019, 10:51:54 PM
The Balls to spill the beans while he stayed in hiding.  Sounds like a coward to me.  He knew what he was doing, he knew what the consequence was why not face it instead of running off and hiding.
What did you expect him to do>?? Stand there  and get arrested and railroaded?? Sounds smart to me.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 11, 2019, 10:52:42 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens now, whether his reasons for staying put (ie secret charges in the US and extradition concerns) pan out or if he has been wearing a tin foil hats to tightly.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on April 11, 2019, 11:05:07 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens now, whether his reasons for staying put (ie secret charges in the US and extradition concerns) pan out or if he has been wearing a tin foil hats to tightly.

Or go to US via Sweden and face his rape case. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tombie on April 12, 2019, 01:07:12 AM
Coward? he had the balls to spill the beans on lots of Shit that would never have seen daylight...

now all that will happen is he will get railroaded

An accused multiple rapist who risked the lives of many to “tell the secrets” of his country (treason).

Regardless of what you may wish to believe, every nation has skeletons that need to stay in the closet.

Regardless of whether or not it’s a “war for oil” or otherwise, the outcome greatly impacts your life.  Don’t think for one second it doesn’t.

Most of what he exposed did nothing to change the world - just risked the lives of many others.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 12, 2019, 05:12:52 AM
An accused multiple rapist who risked the lives of many to “tell the secrets” of his country (treason).

Regardless of what you may wish to believe, every nation has skeletons that need to stay in the closet.

Regardless of whether or not it’s a “war for oil” or otherwise, the outcome greatly impacts your life.  Don’t think for one second it doesn’t.

Most of what he exposed did nothing to change the world - just risked the lives of many others.


Totally agree.  Some things the govt just dont want you to know.  Bit like the secrets some have at home....how would you like it if someone dobbed you in for belting the wife, sexually molesting one of the kids, stealing from the next door neighbour, selling drugs , have a drug lab in the backyard shed, use illegal immigrants as servants. etc.etc.   Governments would only ever do things for the good of the people.


Rant over...I,m off to take my meds...

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 12, 2019, 07:17:31 AM
Will be interesting to see what / if anything,  thats been held in reserve for just this sort of outcome by Wikileaks ..
The Almighty's and overconfident  might get a decent  smack in the face that they hadnt bargained for yet..  Bit like poking a Hornets nest .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 12, 2019, 09:14:02 AM
Will be interesting to see what / if anything,  thats been held in reserve for just this sort of outcome by Wikileaks ..
The Almighty's and overconfident  might get a decent  smack in the face that they hadnt bargained for yet.. Bit like poking a Hornets nest .

Similar to him suing Ecuador for ‘Violating His Fundamental Rights’ reminds me of the "don't bite the hand that feeds you" saying. Looks like he now is in for a short stint in jail in the UK and then a likely bigger one in the US after that, at the end of the day, you break the law you face the consequences.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 12, 2019, 09:52:31 AM
Similar to him suing Ecuador for ‘Violating His Fundamental Rights’ reminds me of the "don't bite the hand that feeds you" saying. Looks like he now is in for a short stint in jail in the UK and then a likely bigger one in the US after that, at the end of the day, you break the law you face the consequences.

you break the law you face the consequences.
[/quote]..................................................................Sounds good in theory but if you have the money your a hell of a lot more likely to get off than the average citizen.  Plenty of famous sports stars getting around that should have received jail. Its a pity that the law isnt about justice.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 12, 2019, 09:57:25 AM
you break the law you face the consequences.
..................................................................Sounds good in theory but if you have the money your a hell of a lot more likely to get off than the average citizen.  Plenty of famous sports stars getting around that should have received jail. Its a pity that the law isnt about justice.

I wouldn't disagree with that, he seems to have no shortage of financial backing though so he is one of the privileged ones too.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 12, 2019, 12:54:24 PM
 ;D

https://youtu.be/7n7VyHbqkas (https://youtu.be/7n7VyHbqkas)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on April 12, 2019, 12:57:00 PM
you break the law you face the consequences.
..................................................................Sounds good in theory but if you have the money your a hell of a lot more likely to get off than the average citizen.  Plenty of famous sports stars getting around that should have received jail. Its a pity that the law isnt about justice.

 :cheers:

You got it right there, we have courts of law, not justice, they are two very distinctly different things, particularly from the plaintiffs and the general publics point of view.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 12, 2019, 01:09:09 PM
;D

https://youtu.be/7n7VyHbqkas (https://youtu.be/7n7VyHbqkas)

Wouldnt expect anything else from the  $@#%
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: chester ver2.0 on April 12, 2019, 01:21:11 PM
hey here is a conspiracy for you

Funny that the same week Julian Assange is arrested they finally photograph a live black hole

Maybe he is just heading home  :D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 13, 2019, 11:16:46 AM
Free camping could spell end of the traditional caravan park within a decade, industry says

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/10997862
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: KeithB on April 13, 2019, 11:35:52 AM
I don't need to be stuck cheek by jowl in a caravan slum with other campers. That's what many caravan parks are at holiday time. I don't need a swimming pool, a jumping castle, a communal kitchen or an amenities lounge. I don't need 240 volt power either. So why pay hundreds of dollars a week for a caravan park?

The arrival of self contained RVs has been a major disruptor for the caravan park industry. Many park operators have seen that and are moving to cabin accommodation. That in turn is going to be a big disruptor for the motel industry. So we can expect motel operators to start squealing about caravan park competition down in a few years time.

If caravan park operators set aside some land with a fresh water tap, a dump point, a garbage tin (maybe all coin operated) and no amenities key, I think they would see plenty of custom from owners of these new upmarket RVs for a reasonable fee. They need to adapt to the times and meet the market.

If RV owners stay a while in a town, they spend in the town. Council's know that and are trying to get the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on April 13, 2019, 12:01:30 PM
This quote summed it up
"We think there needs to be some work around recognising that these are very different markets, they want very different experiences and we need to be able to cater to both."

I don't particularly like caravan parks but my kids enjoy them from time to time. There are other kids to play with and can go off bike riding.

 Limited free camping within 60 km of a caravan park. That pretty much covers all of Tasmania.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on April 13, 2019, 12:01:49 PM
Free camping could spell end of the traditional caravan park within a decade, industry says

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/10997862
If they didn’t charge an arm and a leg for some of these places they would remain competitive. On our recent outback trip we did a mix of free camp and caravan parks. In Tamworth we paid $50 a night. The total cost to the park for our stay was what $5-10 max.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: krisandkev on April 13, 2019, 12:24:04 PM
A lot of caravan parks started putting in cabins a while ago, well before the big increase in the RV world. Many put rows of cabins in prime positions making it difficult  for a RV to get a good spot, ie a view other than your very close neighbours. Caravan parks need to step up and make travellers want to stay there.
 The new caravan park in Streaky Bay did just that and normally we hate caravan parks we loved staying at this one.  Kevin
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: moeite on April 13, 2019, 12:34:18 PM
My wife and I were only talking about this a couple of days ago.
We generally steer clear of caravan parks where possible and generally only use them when we need to use a washing machine and dryer, a dump point and a water tap. When you don't need any of the facilities, why pay for them ?
If caravan parks had a "Scrooges Corner" with a few taps, a dump point, a simple amenities block and laundry for a minimal rate we'd use them a lot. The Sea Lake council CP is a good example.
Paying in excess of $50 for jumping castles, camp kitchens, etc. is beyond the pale.
Over the Christmas school holidays there were people dumping the contents of their portable dunnies in the Murray River because the nearest dump point was in a caravan park that wanted $71 for a one night stay on an unpowered site. The owners of that CP are currently pissing and moaning about people free camping along the river.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on April 13, 2019, 12:35:42 PM
If they didn’t charge an arm and a leg for some of these places they would remain competitive. On our recent outback trip we did a mix of free camp and caravan parks. In Tamworth we paid $50 a night. The total cost to the park for our stay was what $5-10 max.

How long did it take to check you in?
How much power did you use?
How much water did you use?
Did you use the washing machines?
Did you use the amenity blocks?


So you could be looking at directly costing the park around the $10-12 mark as you guessed.

But there are more costs to think about, Caravan parks have to pay all year round:
All of those add up over the year, and whilst there are ups and downs, they need to ensure there is enough money in the kitty to run all year round - a good opportunity to top up the kitty is the summer when people are on holiday and are less price conscious, which allows them to keep the costs down over the rest of the year when you need an incentive to get them in.

Have a look at what happens on Wikicamps etc if you don't have clean amenities, or have Shite staff on the desk because you've paid them peanuts.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on April 13, 2019, 01:13:41 PM
How long did it take to check you in?
How much power did you use?
How much water did you use?
Did you use the washing machines?
Did you use the amenity blocks?

  • It takes about 10minutes to check you in at a guess, so that's 1/6th of an hours wage for the office staff (about $25/h + oncosts) ~ $6
    Power? 2Kwh at a guess? ~$0.50.
  • Water 200litres of water perhaps? ~$sfa.
  • Washing machines: yes, you paid $4 or so for those.
  • Amenity blocks: To clean an Amenity block that has 2 Shitters, 3 showers and urinal in the gents, and 4 Shitters and 3 showers in the ladies + sinks in each takes about an hour to do properly, and that's done every day, sometimes twice a day (Yes, I've done that as a job and therefore know how long it takes) That again is a $25/h rate give or take, + on costs again, as well as the chemicals and consumables. Oh, and you need soap and toilet paper in there, as well as lighting... guests get annoyed when that is broken....so that's a bit more again. Or would you be willing to take your own toilet paper over each time you needed to go?
  • Did you want your site mowed? That takes about 10 mins (so again, about $1 per night) once a week, possibly twice (so that would be $2)... Was the park landscaped at all? That all takes time
  • Rubbish collecting? Well, that gets charged as well... but unless you've collected everything you've thrown out free camping, it would be SFA. If it filled a bin, then that's probably about $1. Did you sort your recycling out? No? Well, the reason why parks are keen on recycling is because it costs less than general waste does to get collected.

So you could be looking at directly costing the park around the $10-12 mark as you guessed.

But there are more costs to think about, Caravan parks have to pay all year round:
  • Office staff, cleaning, maintenance and grounds staff.
  • Software licences and computer equipment, phone and website.
  • Marketing costs - websites aren't free
  • Incidental repair costs (when things break/wear out).
  • Insurance, rates and rego's for vehicles.
  • Any mortgages, loans or finance that is on the property or equipment
All of those add up over the year, and whilst there are ups and downs, they need to ensure there is enough money in the kitty to run all year round - a good opportunity to top up the kitty is the summer when people are on holiday and are less price conscious, which allows them to keep the costs down over the rest of the year when you need an incentive to get them in.

Have a look at what happens on Wikicamps etc if you don't have clean amenities, or have Shite staff on the desk because you've paid them peanuts.
Check in? Not even 5 mins the park was quiet.
Power - how much does it cost to run some led lights? We dont have a tv or anything in the van.
Water - we had onboard water already so just used that. Yes we had a shower each.

We paid $35 in Cunnamulla at a park run by a lady who runs it herself. And that place was good value. She was almost full. She built the park from scratch and was getting ready to sell it and retire.



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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on April 13, 2019, 01:28:55 PM
Simple solution, if it's too bloody expensive, stay elsewhere. Businesses need to make a profit to survive and employ people.
We all make decisions everyday whether to purchase something or not based on price, caravan parks and accom is no different.
I have no issue with people free or low cost camping, if you are set up to do it, go for it but if you need to use a caravan parks dump point, laundry, showers, use the camp kitchen, top up your water etc you have to pay even if you don't use their pool or jumping pillow.
Kudos to anyone who runs a business or is self employed, takes a fair amount of courage to risk everything.
 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: austastar on April 13, 2019, 01:37:04 PM
Hi,
    Most parks I've looked at don't appeal to me. Some I have used as a last resort, or friends have organised a camp there.
Rivers edge camping (http://wikicamps.com.au/site/42153/42947269) in the Huon Valley would be one exception to this, but it is only a few km from home, so probably will never stay there,
Cheers

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on April 13, 2019, 01:55:01 PM
Hi,
    Most parks I've looked at don't appeal to me. Some I have used as a last resort, or friends have organised a camp there.
Rivers edge camping (http://wikicamps.com.au/site/42153/42947269) in the Huon Valley would be one exception to this, but it is only a few km from home, so probably will never stay there,
Cheers


I can see why River's Edge is appealing, but the challenge is to make somewhere like that work from the point of view of the initial cost of the purchase of an agricultural or bush block that is sufficiently sized to do that with and is level enough etc - never mind buying something nearer town to do that with, where you are competing with property developers who can sell a 5 acre bare block for $300k+ quite easily, and you've still got to get DA for that as well as suitable infrastructure in place. River's Edge were lucky in that they already owned the land, and therefore all they needed to do was the hard yakka (which as a builder is a bit cheaper than Joe Public would be) to set up the location, and that'll save money for them.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 13, 2019, 02:38:36 PM
Check in? Not even 5 mins the park was quiet.
Power - how much does it cost to run some led lights? We dont have a tv or anything in the van.
Water - we had onboard water already so just used that. Yes we had a shower each.

We paid $35 in Cunnamulla at a park run by a lady who runs it herself. And that place was good value. She was almost full. She built the park from scratch and was getting ready to sell it and retire.



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not everyone is like you, plenty of people run air con units for heating and cooling, then have multiple fridges (in thier van and also run leads to vehicles) running off the power, then hook up to the water for showering and laundry, etc etc....a van park needs to allow to cover costs for all types of people, but can't charge different amounts on what people say they'll be using. How much does Tamworth city council charge for rates compared to Cunnamulla?, how much insurance costs for each place?, what facilities such as a pool or games area for kids are at each park.?...who knows what the answer is to some of those questions, but all those questions and more would effect what each park charges it's customers. Sure some places likely charge extra wanting to make more profit, but the market dictates in the end if people see the cost charged as value for money or not, but there's no use running a business at a loss either just to keep punters from moaning about the cost of staying there.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: KeithB on April 13, 2019, 02:43:15 PM
It's all very well to work out the variable cost of a caravan park stay. But the elephant in the room is the need for the operator to amortise the capital cost of the park, plus other costs like rates, insurance, licenses, casual staff, rubbish removal and so on.

I spoke to a caravan operator on the Victorian coast who said that when big self contained vans that came in for one night, he made no money.
"They run the aircon, fill up with water, dump their toilet, use all the amenities and then shoot through," he said. There is no profit in it for us at all. That's why I am taking over the van sites to put in cabins."

He also said that the Council subsidising free camping areas was damaging businesses in the town. Maybe his business anyway. The fact is that the industry has moved on, but caravan parks haven't.

Keith
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 13, 2019, 02:49:02 PM
Free camping could spell end of the traditional caravan park within a decade, industry says

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/10997862 (https://amp.abc.net.au/article/10997862)
This was a big story several years ago too, when they wanted to stop free camping....

As said some people need 'the works', some need a patch of dirt... some have kids, some have their own showers etc etc...

But also as said, they need to make money all year around - inc winter adn slow periods...

but some parks are their own worst enemy...
for example this joint we stayed at was a ****in sardine can, ropes crossing ropes kinda stuff - they may have been in groups, but ****in way too close for my liking.

Unpowered Site, two persons    $72.00
Extra Adult (16 years +)    $13.00
Extra Child (3-15 years)    $9.00

then they start with this Shit, when some people cant get 8 days off and just want to enjoy the place.
 26/12/18 – 04/01/19                       9 nights
04/01/19 – 11/01/19                       7 nights
11/01/19 – 18/01/19                       7 nights
18/01/19 – 25/01/19                       7 nights

this wouldnt help em
https://www.freecampingtasmania.com/ (https://www.freecampingtasmania.com/)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: KeithB on April 13, 2019, 03:55:44 PM
Before christmas, we did the run from Sydney down the coast and around to the Apostles and up through The Grampians, Bendigo and home. It rained a lot of the time and we were getting the Shits with our Chinese camper trailer, so we stayed in cabins for all but two nights at about $40 a night.

Costs for a cabin varied from $80 for very basic up to $170 for two bedrooms a barbie on the balcony and absolute six star luxury, with about $100-$110 being the average. Looking at Bird's numbers, it's no wonder folks are travelling light and staying in cabins, rather than in motels or camping at parks.

The competition for caravan parks isn't just free camps. It's parks with cabins as well. These are bringing in a completely new customer. I think there is a bright future for parks that can adapt to the changing market.  They can provide for self contained vehicles as well.

Imagine a paddock next to the park, or even out of town, with its own entrance and with just a single tap and a dump point at maybe $10 or so a night for self contained vehicles only. I'd go for that. You might also need a grid and a couple of sheep to keep the grass down.

Keith

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 13, 2019, 04:11:15 PM
Quote from: KeithB
Imagine a paddock next to the park, or even out of town, with its own entrance and with just a single tap and a dump point at maybe $10 or so a night for self contained
vehicles only. I'd go for that. You might also need a grid and a couple of sheep to keep the grass down.
Its not 1975 ;)

Airbnb is also another amazing option now.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 13, 2019, 04:31:56 PM
Before christmas, we did the run from Sydney down the coast and around to the Apostles and up through The Grampians, Bendigo and home. It rained a lot of the time and we were getting the Shits with our Chinese camper trailer, so we stayed in cabins for all but two nights at about $40 a night.

Costs for a cabin varied from $80 for very basic up to $170 for two bedrooms a barbie on the balcony and absolute six star luxury, with about $100-$110 being the average. Looking at Bird's numbers, it's no wonder folks are travelling light and staying in cabins, rather than in motels or camping at parks.

The competition for caravan parks isn't just free camps. It's parks with cabins as well. These are bringing in a completely new customer. I think there is a bright future for parks that can adapt to the changing market.  They can provide for self contained vehicles as well.

Imagine a paddock next to the park, or even out of town, with its own entrance and with just a single tap and a dump point at maybe $10 or so a night for self contained vehicles only. I'd go for that. You might also need a grid and a couple of sheep to keep the grass down.

Keith
have a look at Youcamp and the like prices currently, charging just as much if not more then some caravan parks for little more then vacant land...many have no facilities at all.  One could only wish they were $10 a night, many are getting around $50 a night now, but at least you can get away from the crowds going this way.
Re: cabins at van parks....we did just such a trip about 2 years back, stayed in a cabin a few nights at a van park just South of Yeppoon to explore Byfield National Park and surrounds and then wanted to do the same renting a cabin at 1770 also....ended up it was cheaper for us to rent an entire holiday house (which was a nice place) up on a hill looking over the ocean and the surrounding bay area there, then it was to rent a cabin crammed into a caravan park with everyone else at 1770....figure that one out...lol.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on April 13, 2019, 07:58:57 PM
I had a rush of blood last year and enquired about taking the car/van to Tassie for a month  :D :D :D :D :D :D about $2500  :o :o if we stayed for 40 nights that's $62.50 p/n, without any camping fees at all. Guess what we are never going to do ?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 14, 2019, 12:33:20 AM
I had a rush of blood last year and enquired about taking the car/van to Tassie for a month  :D :D :D :D :D :D about $2500  :o :o if we stayed for 40 nights that's $62.50 p/n, without any camping fees at all. Guess what we are never going to do ?
work this out - going off their booking site.

if I won lotto and could afford to take patrol or commodore with no roofrack - I can get there and back anytime all year

if I won lotto and could afford to take patrol or commodore WITH roofrack, I can get it there anytime, but cant get patrol home for 4 months and commodore for 3  ??? ??? ???  ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 14, 2019, 08:21:24 AM
I had a rush of blood last year and enquired about taking the car/van to Tassie for a month  :D :D :D :D :D :D about $2500  :o :o if we stayed for 40 nights that's $62.50 p/n, without any camping fees at all. Guess what we are never going to do ?
the beauty of Tassie is how much free camping it actually has, the place has stunning scenery and is worth every cent it costs to get your vehicle and camper over there. I’d rather spend $2500 to go there for a month, then say renting a unit on the Goldy for 2 weeks or staying on the mainland coast somewhere. Save the money and go iwould be my 2 cents on the subject.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: raider on April 14, 2019, 09:08:26 AM
Imagine a paddock next to the park, or even out of town, with its own entrance and with just a single tap and a dump point at maybe $10 or so a night for self contained vehicles only. I'd go for that. You might also need a grid and a couple of sheep to keep the grass down.

When we stopped at the Larrimah Pink Panther Hotel last year the owner was selling up and one of the reasons was that he was sick of " the coffin dodgers asking for pensioner discount on 10 dollar a night basic park stay "(his words). ;D
Raider
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on April 14, 2019, 09:17:38 AM
Imagine a paddock next to the park, or even out of town, with its own entrance and with just a single tap and a dump point at maybe $10 or so a night for self contained vehicles only. I'd go for that. You might also need a grid and a couple of sheep to keep the grass down.

When we stopped at the Larrimah Pink Panther Hotel last year the owner was selling up and one of the reasons was that he was sick of " the coffin dodgers asking for pensioner discount on 10 dollar a night basic park stay "(his words). ;D
Raider

When I worked on a caravan park desk my response to those questions was we'd have to put the price up 10% to cover the pensioner/NRMA/RACQ/RACV discounts because so many people would be eligible for them.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: austastar on April 14, 2019, 09:42:23 AM
Hi,
   Re Spirit costs.
$899.90 for us with porthole twin cabin return.
As we have a camper on the back it is over 2.1m tall, and as it has beds and cooking it is called a motorhome/campervan.
As it is a Defender 130 with a bull bar and some rear overhang it is 5.4m long.
Once over 2.1m  high, they don't care how tall you are, you can't go in the racks, so you are limited to space available with the heavy transport.
There, length costs, so caravans/trailers are expensive.
We go as a high campervan 5.4m long and get a small reduction being pensioners.
Going in August is a bit cheaper (red hot fare) than returning in November (spirit fare)
W.A. here we come.
Cheers

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on April 14, 2019, 10:45:23 AM
Hi,
   Re Spirit costs.
$899.90 for us with porthole twin cabin return.
As we have a camper on the back it is over 2.1m tall, and as it has beds and cooking it is called a motorhome/campervan.
As it is a Defender 130 with a bull bar and some rear overhang it is 5.4m long.
Once over 2.1m  high, they don't care how tall you are, you can't go in the racks, so you are limited to space available with the heavy transport.
There, length costs, so caravans/trailers are expensive.
We go as a high campervan 5.4m long and get a small reduction being pensioners.
Going in August is a bit cheaper (red hot fare) than returning in November (spirit fare)
W.A. here we come.
Cheers

That's basically how it worked for us - we don't have anything on the roof, and the 4Runner isn't over 1.9m high, so we were up with the cars on the ramps rather than down with the trucks etc, so it basically was our length (all up about 9m - thankfully the trailer is a 7x5 with a sensible length drawbar).

We also took a windowless cabin - they're in the centre of the boat, so any side to side motion is minimised, when you're out on the outside, you've got the full range of movement up and down.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 14, 2019, 11:40:27 AM
have a look at Youcamp and the like prices currently, charging just as much if not more then some caravan parks for little more then vacant land...many have no facilities at all.  One could only wish they were $10 a night, many are getting around $50 a night now, but at least you can get away from the crowds going this way.

I think Caravan Parks are only just starting to feel the digital disruption that sites like YouCamp will bring about. The prices that some currently the majority of YouCamp sites change are way more than I would pay, but go to show that it's not always about the cost, but the value proposition. Competition from the likes of YouCamp will show that the product that the traditional Caravan Park is offering to be somewhat outdated for people wanting to camp, some that offer prime locations like right on the beach will still do OK as they have more of a monopoly, but I don't think others will do so well.

I think the other and probably bigger thing that traditional caravan parks likely have against them are groups like CMCA with their planned RV Park Network that will offer what a lot of travellers want, being low cost no frills stops. Their model removes a lot of the staffing requirements (which in Australia is generally one of the biggest costs associated with anything) and actually serves the "grey nomad"  type of traveller with what they are after.



Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on April 14, 2019, 11:51:52 AM
I had a rush of blood last year and enquired about taking the car/van to Tassie for a month  :D :D :D :D :D :D about $2500  :o :o if we stayed for 40 nights that's $62.50 p/n, without any camping fees at all. Guess what we are never going to do ?

You'll be the richest bloke in the cemetery.
Some things you just have to do, Tassie is one of them, lots of free camping available.
We just took the Rv4 and free camped for 2 weeks, then a suite in the Wrest Point Tower for a week, then camped for another week.
And just for a change had the delux cabin on the ship, expensive yes, but worth every cent.
Some things you just have to pay for.

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 14, 2019, 12:00:37 PM
I had a rush of blood last year and enquired about taking the car/van to Tassie for a month  :D :D :D :D :D :D about $2500
2500 will get you a long way overseas..

but agree with others..its ****in amazing place. Maybe go fly/drive/motel instead
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on April 14, 2019, 12:05:51 PM
$99 to take the car. Put the camper trailer on the back it's another $260. Cheaper to take 3 1/2 cars.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 14, 2019, 12:07:56 PM
I had a rush of blood last year and enquired about taking the car/van to Tassie for a month  :D :D :D :D :D :D about $2500  :o :o if we stayed for 40 nights that's $62.50 p/n, without any camping fees at all. Guess what we are never going to do ?

Stay for 10 weeks, only $35/night then, use plenty of free camps that others say are available and then probably works out similar to what you would pay on the mainland  ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on April 14, 2019, 01:21:02 PM
2500 will get you a long way overseas..

but agree with others..its ****in amazing place. Maybe go fly/drive/motel instead

Take the bike bird, and stay in the pubs  ;D

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 14, 2019, 02:22:08 PM
Take the bike bird, and stay in the pubs  ;D
I've been thinking about it... but the cost to start again is $$$
Riding gear $2000, rego 700 insurance 700 bike...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 14, 2019, 02:26:48 PM
$99 to take the car. Put the camper trailer on the back it's another $260. Cheaper to take 3 1/2 cars.
cost me $1300 a few years back to take my Cruiser and Kimberley Kamper over and back....that was just me doing the boat ride in a 4 berth shared cabin (you share with 3 other strangers, though one was a mate doing the same trip). I flew the family to Tassie and home again, meant I could drive Brisbane to Melbourne in 2 days and same again for the return leg without hearing whinging...lol.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: brickiematt on April 15, 2019, 05:40:45 AM
Been to Tassie with the family twice now, both times with the camper.
Well worth the $$ in my opinion, and we'll go back again sometime, we love the place!!
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 15, 2019, 05:52:58 AM
I see Tiger Woods has just won his 5th US Masters Championship.  Bloody good effort considering the scandals and his back issues.  Just goes to show persistence can pay off.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 15, 2019, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: Bigfish
I see Tiger Woods has just won his 5th US Masters Championship.  Bloody good effort considering the scandals and his back issues.  Just goes to show persistence can pay off.

its piss funny how all the media are on his bandwagon again instantly... 'Greatest win ever'......
hes won 1 match in how many years? LMAO
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 15, 2019, 11:42:53 AM
You could believe it   https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/townsville/palmer-agrees-to-pay-qni-workers-entitlements/news-story/c2562d264c77ce04e624d89d20ca1871?fbclid=IwAR1QjONy6tZdDaZhHx7vciQ-MVhDNpMga-l_Ywnux0HY2FCXvaVuZCl0VuQ (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/townsville/palmer-agrees-to-pay-qni-workers-entitlements/news-story/c2562d264c77ce04e624d89d20ca1871?fbclid=IwAR1QjONy6tZdDaZhHx7vciQ-MVhDNpMga-l_Ywnux0HY2FCXvaVuZCl0VuQ)    only when it happens ..Bit of pressure there Hey Clive / False promises to help boost election results,  Naaahh He's just a miss understood nice guy ... Not .
Trusting this guy in government would be like putting a Sugar loving  crazed fat kid that promises he wont touch / eat anything,   incharge of a fully stocked  lolly shop .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 15, 2019, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: edz
You could believe it   https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/townsville/rich.parasite.agrees.to.pay.what.is.owing.to.workers.must.be.an.election.coming]   
Only when it happens ..Bit of pressure there Hey Clive / False promises to help boost election results,  Naaahh He's just a miss understood nice guy ... Not . (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/townsville/palmer-agrees-to-pay-qni-workers-entitlements/news-story/c2562d264c77ce04e624d89d20ca1871)

Like you, believe it when I see it

Still SHOULDNT change anybodys opinion of the POShit
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bunyip on April 15, 2019, 01:10:23 PM
That's basically how it worked for us - we don't have anything on the roof, and the 4Runner isn't over 1.9m high, so we were up with the cars on the ramps rather than down with the trucks etc, so it basically was our length (all up about 9m - thankfully the trailer is a 7x5 with a sensible length drawbar).

We also took a windowless cabin - they're in the centre of the boat, so any side to side motion is minimised, when you're out on the outside, you've got the full range of movement up and down.

Not sure who told me, and it could be a load of bulldust but I understand that the cost for a single vehicle is calculated on the average cost to drive the same distance, the rest is subsidised.
Once you add anything (height or length) then all bets are off.

Not sure if this is true but it does make sense.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 15, 2019, 02:05:49 PM
I challenge anyone to get on the Spirit of Tasmania with a car and trailer for their cheapest advertised price.

I couldn’t do it with a Suzuki Jimny and 2.4m long trailer, we got bumped up to the next fare and had to pay almost double the cheapest price.
If I lied and said my trailer was 2.3m long it was only going to cost $315 (each way). But I figured that they know it’s basically impossible to have a car and trailer combo short enough to get their cheapest fare and thought they would measure my setup.

FYI, my Jimny and trailer combo was 5.98m total length and cost $560 each way.
While if your take your 200 Series Cruiser (5m long) with a bull bar and bike rack (easy over 6m long total) it will only cost you $295 each way.

Bit of a joke really.

No doubt Tassie is beautiful and we can’t wait to get back there again. After getting ripped by the ferry once we won’t be taking our own vehicles, but flying and hiring a vehicle down there next time we go.
Fortunately we did a lot of the 4wding areas on our last trip, so won’t be missing out on too much by just hiring a normal car next time we visit that great part of the world.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 15, 2019, 03:52:45 PM
I challenge anyone to get on the Spirit of Tasmania with a car and trailer for their cheapest advertised price.
??? (https://newtouringrider.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/004.jpg) ???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 15, 2019, 04:02:27 PM
Haha, yeah you win.... ;D
Motorbikes with trailers stay at the lower rate.


And just so those sensitive 200 series owners don’t think that I’m picking on them....
A ford Ranger (5.36m) with a bike rack takes them up to the next price bracket @ $590 each way. ;)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on April 15, 2019, 05:39:56 PM
Just for giggles I used their online thingy to see what it would cost me to take the cruiser, Complete Campsite, 2 adults, 1 kid, and a private cabin in peak season ?

Came back at $2k return. I'd treat Tassie a bit like WA (from a Qld'rs perspective), it'll cost a lot to get there, so make it worth while and stay for a few months. I've done two Tassie trips on the motorbike. 1st one was 3 weeks and was too short, so the next one was 5 weeks, and was still too short.............
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 15, 2019, 06:31:20 PM
Just for giggles I used their online thingy to see what it would cost me to take the cruiser, Complete Campsite, 2 adults, 1 kid, and a private cabin in peak season ?

Came back at $2k return. I'd treat Tassie a bit like WA (from a Qld'rs perspective), it'll cost a lot to get there, so make it worth while and stay for a few months. I've done two Tassie trips on the motorbike. 1st one was 3 weeks and was too short, so the next one was 5 weeks, and was still too short.............
that price is a big part of why I flew my wife and kids down to Tassie and back, the cost of thier airfares wasn’t a lot different to having them come on the boat with me....was also no point in having them suffer the long 2 day drive from Brisbane to Melbourne and then the return run home again either.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: glenm64 on April 15, 2019, 09:20:15 PM
I checked for the Dmax, tinnie on the roof, van, 2 of us and 2 dogs, day time travel, return
Came back around $1500.
Thought that was ok, but Im used to the WA tax.

Cheers Glen

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 15, 2019, 10:56:53 PM
I checked for the Dmax, tinnie on the roof, van, 2 of us and 2 dogs, day time travel, return
Came back around $1500.
Thought that was ok, but Im used to the WA tax.

Cheers Glen
Try Kangaroo Island LOL!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 16, 2019, 05:14:59 AM
Notre Dame Cathedral is well and truly on fire.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 16, 2019, 06:29:33 AM
Notre Dame Cathedral is well and truly on fire.
the only thing happpening in the world at the moment apparently if mainstream tv is anything to go by....it’s the only thing they are showing, over and over and over again ::) ::)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on April 16, 2019, 07:30:43 AM
the only thing happpening in the world at the moment apparently if mainstream tv is anything to go by....it’s the only thing they are showing, over and over and over again ::) ::)

would rather watch that than the rubbish on FTA TV at the moment (politics, elections, climate change, right wing, left wing, reality TV, etc...)

at least it is interesting to learn about the cathedral, that has stood for more than 800 years...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 16, 2019, 10:59:15 AM
Notre Dame Cathedral is well and truly on fire.
its only a flesh wound...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on April 16, 2019, 11:31:36 AM
Brings back the insatiable desire to re-watch the twin towers in New York in 2009, (not ever at any time in your lifetime, let alone mine).
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 16, 2019, 11:34:53 AM
would rather watch that than the rubbish on FTA TV at the moment (politics, elections, climate change, right wing, left wing, reality TV, etc...)

at least it is interesting to learn about the cathedral, that has stood for more than 800 years...
maybe if you did learn something new it would be ok, instead the 25 minutes of tv I saw this morning showed the same footage 5 times, said everything is lost several times then said people are currently inside trying to save art works....typical modern day journalism, make Shit up when they don’t have actual facts to report and continually repeat stuff as filler. It’s done just to push out hour upon hour of “the public demanding this coverage” as thier justification statement for rubbish reporting. I learnt nothing new after the first few minutes of this mornings coverage that I viewed, I actually was interested in seeing other news also from overnight instead, but that never got a run.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 16, 2019, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: Rumpig
maybe if you did learn something new it would be ok, instead the 25 minutes of tv I saw this morning showed the same footage 5 times, said everything is lost several times then said people are currently inside trying to save art works....typical modern day journalism, make Shit up when they don’t have actual facts to report and continually repeat stuff as filler.
the endless loop of 2-4 mins of vision turns me off... the fires are the same.

Quote
.... I actually was interested in seeing other news also from overnight instead, but that never got a run.
THiS LOTS!!!!!! the killer is the 10 experts "live on scene" with a scoop like "I've just spoken to a homeless man and he reports that the fire is hot"
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 16, 2019, 01:24:47 PM
You could believe it   https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/townsville/palmer-agrees-to-pay-qni-workers-entitlements/news-story/c2562d264c77ce04e624d89d20ca1871?fbclid=IwAR1QjONy6tZdDaZhHx7vciQ-MVhDNpMga-l_Ywnux0HY2FCXvaVuZCl0VuQ (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/townsville/palmer-agrees-to-pay-qni-workers-entitlements/news-story/c2562d264c77ce04e624d89d20ca1871?fbclid=IwAR1QjONy6tZdDaZhHx7vciQ-MVhDNpMga-l_Ywnux0HY2FCXvaVuZCl0VuQ)    only when it happens ..Bit of pressure there Hey Clive / False promises to help boost election results,  Naaahh He's just a miss understood nice guy ... Not .
Trusting this guy in government would be like putting a Sugar loving  crazed fat kid that promises he wont touch / eat anything,   incharge of a fully stocked  lolly shop .

If he actually gets more votes than the total number of his family & immediate staff, who I expect to vote for him, then I'll be very very sad & concerned about the people of Townsville :'(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 16, 2019, 04:28:48 PM
the only thing happpening in the world at the moment apparently if mainstream tv is anything to go by....it’s the only thing they are showing, over and over and over again ::) ::)

Ha, I left at 5:50 this morning and went to the Sunshine Coast..... home again now, but the idiot box is still off.
They will have all the journo's flying in and wondering how come the fire is out.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 16, 2019, 04:31:27 PM
Ha, I left at 5:50 this morning and went to the Sunshine Coast..... home again now, but the idiot box is still off.
They will have all the journo's flying in and wondering how come the fire is out.
sunrise would be flying their CFA Overall wearing experts there as we speak.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 17, 2019, 01:27:53 PM
Wondered how they could be getting by without their usual crack team of journalists covering the situation in person ??? ::)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 17, 2019, 03:08:51 PM
Can anyone convince me that as a society we arent ****ed and if at all possible getting worse?

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/she-s-just-an-old-lady-woman-s-vicious-attack-caught-on-camera-20190417-p51eyk.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/she-s-just-an-old-lady-woman-s-vicious-attack-caught-on-camera-20190417-p51eyk.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on April 17, 2019, 03:16:20 PM
Can anyone convince me that as a society we arent ****ed and if at all possible getting worse?

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/she-s-just-an-old-lady-woman-s-vicious-attack-caught-on-camera-20190417-p51eyk.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/she-s-just-an-old-lady-woman-s-vicious-attack-caught-on-camera-20190417-p51eyk.html)

as equally disgraceful is the fact that witnesses were prepared to pull out the phone to video it, but couldn't intervene to help, or at least use that same phone to dial 000 if they were too scared to help.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: briann532 on April 17, 2019, 04:22:31 PM
as equally disgraceful is the fact that witnesses were prepared to pull out the phone to video it, but couldn't intervene to help, or at least use that same phone to dial 000 if they were too scared to help.

Too right mate,
My first instinct would be to stop the thug and help the old lady.
Then it would have taken a few people to stop me "educating" the young #$%^.

When are the greeny weird beards going to realise that this molycoddling luvey duvey everyones a winner Shit aint working!!!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on April 18, 2019, 07:06:44 AM
Too right mate,
My first instinct would be to stop the thug and help the old lady.
Then it would have taken a few people to stop me "educating" the young #$%^.

When are the greeny weird beards going to realise that this molycoddling luvey duvey everyones a winner Shit aint working!!!

wtf?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 18, 2019, 08:39:09 AM
& the article points out that the PoS went to court on her birthday ???

What, that's supposed to make us feel sorry for her or something ???

News for you Age - it doesn't!!! >:(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on April 18, 2019, 10:11:04 AM
wtf?
He's referring to our corrupt judges and judicial system, and your right Brian nothing will change until they either sack or jail the corrupt POS's

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 18, 2019, 10:25:58 AM
Too right mate,
My first instinct would be to stop the thug and help the old lady.
Then it would have taken a few people to stop me "educating" the young #$%^.

When are the greeny weird beards going to realise that this molycoddling luvey duvey everyones a winner Shit aint working!!!

I reckon jail time for ****wits that stand around videoing it too...

FFS theres an old lady getting bashed by a fat fukcin piece of Shit... pick up the 4 wheeled seat thing and smash the fat **** to the ground then stomp on its head. Then rub one out.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on April 18, 2019, 11:05:43 AM
Settle down there Bird. You have to take into account that the "fat fukcin piece of Shit" has her mental problems and couldn't  control  her actions. No doubt  the magistrate  will hear all the irrelevant  Shit used as defence  and find that she was at no fault of her own and that the old lady was to blame as she should have stayed home and  will throw  her in jail for leaving the house.  Sound like a joke. Sorry NO. Sounds more like what will happen. Our society  has turned to Shit.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on April 18, 2019, 12:10:34 PM
Ristevski.
Kill your wife. Dump her body in the woods.  Deny it for 2 years. Confess to manslaughter. Only sentenced to 9 years jail. Be out in only 6 years. Something has to be wrong here.
Can only shake my head in wonder.
Again.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on April 18, 2019, 12:14:31 PM
I reckon jail time for ****wits that stand around videoing it too...

The other side of that is at least there is video evidence of what happened rather then just relying on what the victim and Offender say.  Bit hard for the Offender to make her excuses the Victim assaulted her verbally (I still can not work that one out how can someone be assaulted verbally) or it was due to her epilepsy that her foot managed to kick her twice when the video evidence does not support her. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: raider on April 18, 2019, 12:39:59 PM
Ristevski.
Kill your wife. Dump her body in the woods.  Deny it for 2 years. Confess to manslaughter. Only sentenced to 9 years jail. Be out in only 6 years. Something has to be wrong here.
Can only shake my head in wonder.
Again.


Absolutely disgraceful.......... Our legal system is a joke.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 18, 2019, 12:51:52 PM
Quote from: alnjan
The other side of that is at least there is video evidence of what happened rather then just relying on what the victim and Offender say.
Thats true, but that doesnt help the poor old dear gettin the **** beaten out of her
that can really destroy elderly peoples confidence and way of life. All sorts of psychological issues they dont deserve. :(

having said that, video or no video, we know nothing will come of it but a "community corrections order" - what teh **** is one of them? Just a please dont be norty again slip?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on April 18, 2019, 12:59:32 PM
(I still can not work that one out how can someone be assaulted verbally)   

The essence of assault is fear.
Once someone is placed in fear, the assault is complete.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on April 18, 2019, 02:34:47 PM
The essence of assault is fear.
Once someone is placed in fear, the assault is complete.

No.  Need more then fear.  Need to show that the person saying whatever has the means at the time to carry out the said action and you also need to show that the person has been so affected by what was said they have changed their normal behaviour due to what was said. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on April 18, 2019, 08:09:45 PM
 These turkey's cleared acres of land, half on a steep escarpment, pushed a boat ramp into the Colo river and thought they were above the law. I wish the court could confiscate the property from them.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/mustapha-and-diaa-karaali-charged-with-contempt-of-court-for-clearing-land/news-story/6b33c597666d913605ee7cc6f017cbaf (https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/mustapha-and-diaa-karaali-charged-with-contempt-of-court-for-clearing-land/news-story/6b33c597666d913605ee7cc6f017cbaf)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 18, 2019, 09:24:32 PM
These turkey's cleared acres of land, half on a steep escarpment, pushed a boat ramp into the Colo river and thought they were above the law. I wish the court could confiscate the property from them.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/mustapha-and-diaa-karaali-charged-with-contempt-of-court-for-clearing-land/news-story/6b33c597666d913605ee7cc6f017cbaf (https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/mustapha-and-diaa-karaali-charged-with-contempt-of-court-for-clearing-land/news-story/6b33c597666d913605ee7cc6f017cbaf)
The Judge should have provided them with a list of countries where their "religion is prime" that they could piss off too if they thought that should be the case. I am with you, wish they could have confiscated the land, I'll add their citizenship in though as well.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on April 18, 2019, 09:27:48 PM
Ristevski.
Kill your wife. Dump her body in the woods.  Deny it for 2 years. Confess to manslaughter. Only sentenced to 9 years jail. Be out in only 6 years. Something has to be wrong here.
Can only shake my head in wonder.
Again.
And the daughter has stuck by the dad the whole time. Didn’t provide a victim impact statement but provided a glowing reference for her dad. Disgraceful


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on April 18, 2019, 11:05:49 PM
And the daughter has stuck by the dad the whole time. Didn’t provide a victim impact statement but provided a glowing reference for her dad. Disgraceful


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 19, 2019, 06:16:36 AM
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dingo-drags-toddler-away-from-campervan-on-fraser-island-20190419-p51fjx.html (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dingo-drags-toddler-away-from-campervan-on-fraser-island-20190419-p51fjx.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 19, 2019, 07:11:24 AM
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dingo-drags-toddler-away-from-campervan-on-fraser-island-20190419-p51fjx.html (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dingo-drags-toddler-away-from-campervan-on-fraser-island-20190419-p51fjx.html)
just saw this on the tv....how did the dingos get into the camper is my question?
I don't understand how this has occurred, did they leave the door open / unzipped for better ventilation, or was the kid sleeping outside in an annex area?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on April 19, 2019, 07:20:02 AM
And the daughter has stuck by the dad the whole time. Didn’t provide a victim impact statement but provided a glowing reference for her dad. Disgraceful


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Maybe she did it, and he is taking the fall for her.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 19, 2019, 07:29:56 AM
Be interesting to know what sort of " camper van / caravan " they had,  why was the door left open ?  most would have a security type mesh screen door, Sid the Dingo tear its way in through a screen etc ??   the typical news under reporting / sensationalizing leaves out  important details..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 19, 2019, 07:37:43 AM
Be interesting to know what sort of " camper van / caravan " they had,  why was the door left open ?  most would have a security type mesh screen door, Sid the Dingo tear its way in through a screen etc ??   the typical news under reporting / sensationalizing leaves out  important details..
yeah it's crap modern day journalism, lacks actual details and leaves us guessing at what really occurred.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 19, 2019, 07:45:28 AM
just saw this on the tv....how did the dingos get into the camper is my question?
I don't understand how this has occurred, did they leave the door open / unzipped for better ventilation, or was the kid sleeping outside in an annex area?


Would think it would have been a bit coolish to have just a fly screen door open hey  Mal ! .
  Not that it matters but there isnt any camp areas till you get to Central station  / reports say they were camped along  Eurong road, Why would you be camped along the track  out of Eurong  ? . Got on the Island late / wrong tides didnt make it to Central ?? is all I can think of .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 19, 2019, 08:00:55 AM

Would think it would have been a bit coolish to have just a fly screen door open hey  Mal ! .
  Not that it matters but there isnt any camp areas till you get to Central station  / reports say they were camped along  Eurong road, Why would you be camped along the track  out of Eurong  ? . Got on the Island late / wrong tides didnt make it to Central ?? is all I can think of .
yes that was the other ting I couldn’t work out after seeing that, just where they were actually camped on the island when it occurred. The important thing is it sounds like the kid is ok, but would be nice to hear actual proper details of what occurred there.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on April 19, 2019, 08:41:22 AM
During the news story in their opener referred to a campervan, later in the story was a camper, the text on bottom of the screen said caravan.
So all bases covered.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: D4D on April 19, 2019, 08:43:42 AM
At the third stroke...

https://www.theage.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/at-the-third-stroke-there-will-be-no-more-dial-up-talking-clock-20190418-p51ff8.html (https://www.theage.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/at-the-third-stroke-there-will-be-no-more-dial-up-talking-clock-20190418-p51ff8.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 19, 2019, 10:47:20 AM
During the news story in their opener referred to a campervan, later in the story was a camper, the text on bottom of the screen said caravan.
So all bases covered.

Yeah, according to the news outlets, it was a camper van.
The dingo didn't actually take the small child, the dingo had hotwired the camper van (Acme Van Rentals) and was driving off in it.
(Picture a dingo crossed with Wile E Coyote)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on April 19, 2019, 10:49:52 AM
No doubt  the dingoe's  sentence will be far harsher than that low life scum dog Ristevski.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 19, 2019, 11:46:37 AM
or the $%^^&**( in Melbourne >:(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 19, 2019, 12:13:29 PM
Looks like we might be getting a bit of more accurate information now. https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-19/queensland-toddler-attacked-by-dingoes-on-fraser-island/11031828?pfmredir=sm
They are calling it a camper trailer and
Quote
"I think he made his way under the canvas to get into the camper trailer," he said.

Sounds like he the boy might have been in an enclosed annex part without a sealed floor
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 19, 2019, 01:13:04 PM
Sounds like he the boy might have been in an enclosed annex part without a sealed floor

Bit surprised that a dingo would force it's way under the canvas though, unless it was just hanging loose ???

& "met the family at the nearby Eurong resort"

There's no camp ground at Eurong, is there ???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 19, 2019, 02:46:16 PM
sounds like in the annexe...

A toddler who survived after his father snatched him from a dingo's jaws on south-east Queensland's Fraser Island has been flown to a Brisbane hospital.

The 14-month-old boy was first taken to Hervey Bay Hospital with a fractured skull and cuts to his head and neck before being flown to Queensland Children's Hospital about 8am on Friday.

The boy's mother was on board the helicopter.

"The child's parents were woken by their son's cries, which were becoming more distant," he said.

"The dad got out of the campervan to investigate and found the dingo dragging the toddler away from the campervan.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dingo-drags-toddler-away-from-campervan-on-fraser-island-20190419-p51fjx.html (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dingo-drags-toddler-away-from-campervan-on-fraser-island-20190419-p51fjx.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: BaseCamp on April 19, 2019, 10:21:30 PM
News tonight said it was a camper trailer, (at/near Eurong); and by the time the father got to the dingos; (2 of them); the 14 month old had been dragged away 15 metres - into the night and towards the point of no return..

That's quite a distance...   No wonder it was reported that the the parents could hear the baby's cries of distress sounding more and more distant...   No kidding!!!!

So now its (at least) another 2 dingos with a (human) bloodlust; and 2 more dingos now with a ranger's bullet coming their way probably sometime soon...

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Brisbane Puff on April 19, 2019, 11:24:36 PM
Two dingos sitting in the dark looking at the camper..
One turns to the other and asks....

"should we dine in or take away" ??

Sorry,,, bad joke... ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 20, 2019, 12:41:05 AM
Heard something similar this arvo at work BP ...    Dingo turns to the pack and asks " who ordered the Uber eats " ..
Glad the little bloke is doing ok and hope theres no lasting damage to live with ..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on April 20, 2019, 10:47:11 AM
Are the dingoe's to blame or is it the visitors?  We know and have been told the dingoe's are wild dogs, treat them that way. Don't try to pet them, don't feed them, don't leave things out for them, don't  make it easy for them to get into your gear/tent/camper, If confronted by a pack don't  let them surround you. Plenty of don'ts. On our trips to the island I've seen plenty of questionable things done by visitors. In fact all the don'ts  I've seen done. Quite a few nights in different  locations I've been up during the night to find we have a couple of visitors sniffing around. But nothing was left out and the only way into our quarters was if they chewed their way in, or had learnt to use zippers. Whilst  we don't  really know how their camp was and it's not good it happened,  is the dingoe the only issue. Now there's calls for culling the dingoe's there. How many? 1or 2, half, why not all, problem solved. Last I knew the island population had stabalise at an ideal number, think it is around 200. It's  said they can travel up to 40 kms a day. Let's  shoot the ones that did the attack. Their 40 kms away by now. I wouldn't like to see them killed but  would like to see more visitors get it into their heads that things like this can and do happen there. Do all you can to restrict it. After all who would sleep on the banks of a river up north, with a crocodile  sign at their head, with only a sheet covering them, and expect to wake up in the morning.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 20, 2019, 11:13:02 AM
ARROGANCE / ATTITUDE [ I'll do what ever when ever I want ]  / IGNORANCE [ those warnings only  apply to others  ]  / COMPLACENCY [ nice puppy ] is what gets some visitors  into trouble on Fraser .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 20, 2019, 12:08:26 PM
Are the dingoe's to blame or is it the visitors?  We know and have been told the dingoe's are wild dogs, treat them that way. Don't try to pet them, don't feed them, don't leave things out for them, don't  make it easy for them to get into your gear/tent/camper, If confronted by a pack don't  let them surround you. Plenty of don'ts. On our trips to the island I've seen plenty of questionable things done by visitors. In fact all the don'ts  I've seen done. Quite a few nights in different  locations I've been up during the night to find we have a couple of visitors sniffing around. But nothing was left out and the only way into our quarters was if they chewed their way in, or had learnt to use zippers. Whilst  we don't  really know how their camp was and it's not good it happened,  is the dingoe the only issue. Now there's calls for culling the dingoe's there. How many? 1or 2, half, why not all, problem solved. Last I knew the island population had stabalise at an ideal number, think it is around 200. It's  said they can travel up to 40 kms a day. Let's  shoot the ones that did the attack. Their 40 kms away by now. I wouldn't like to see them killed but  would like to see more visitors get it into their heads that things like this can and do happen there. Do all you can to restrict it. After all who would sleep on the banks of a river up north, with a crocodile  sign at their head, with only a sheet covering them, and expect to wake up in the morning.
visitors are the problem 99% of the time IMO....if you look at the previous incidents there is a pretty common theme, it's usually little kids being away from thier parents, ie: being alone with no supervision or running off ahead of thier parents over sand dunes etc, anther case I know of  involved a drunken backpacker passed out alone on the ground away from his camp....so it's pretty easy to avoid all those situations. This latest incident is hard to comment on due to nobody really saying exactly how it occurred, but it's pretty hard for a dingo to get into a fully enclosed camper or tent, so the question has to be asked, where exactly  was this kid when this latest incident happened / what was the kid sleeping in?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Brisbane Puff on April 20, 2019, 12:59:31 PM
Back in the 'good old days' before Fraser was popular world wide, we would go up usually about three to four times a year. September school holidays would normally stretch out to three weeks.
In those days, there were the brumbies everywhere. Quite a few dingos. Lots of Goannas and other wild life.. Everything was in it's natural order..

Then the Forestry left. Then it all became a National Park. Then came the spread of the tourist resorts. Then owners of the said tourist resorts who had the governments ear claimed that the brumbies were a problem. Then 'they' shot them all out....

Suddenly the food chain was broken.. Dingos at the top of the food chain had to look for other means of subsistence to survive.. How long is it that any one has seen a goanna on Fraser??

Then came all the back packers, tourists from all over who were to arrogant, ignorant, and uninformed. Saw all these dingos and related them to the dog they had at home..
'nice doggie, here's some left overs, arn't they cute?? pat, pat.... oh Shit, it bit me..'

It's not the dingos fault... Humanity broke the food chain, and the dogs are paying for it..

I think there is a lot more to the story. Been all over this country for neigh on 50 years and I do not believe that a dingo would slid under a canvas wall, skirt, door and enter a confined area... Even semi tame ones..

Don't start me on the Ayres Rock BS...

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: BaseCamp on April 20, 2019, 01:21:27 PM
Answering a post a few back; I read that the aftermath of that 9yo boy getting attacked and killed in 2001 was that the rangers shot out 110 dingos...

A tragedy for parents and the dingos..

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 20, 2019, 03:33:50 PM
Back in the 'good old days' before Fraser was popular world wide, we would go up usually about three to four times a year. September school holidays would normally stretch out to three weeks.
In those days, there were the brumbies everywhere. Quite a few dingos. Lots of Goannas and other wild life.. Everything was in it's natural order..

Then the Forestry left. Then it all became a National Park. Then came the spread of the tourist resorts. Then owners of the said tourist resorts who had the governments ear claimed that the brumbies were a problem. Then 'they' shot them all out....

Suddenly the food chain was broken.. Dingos at the top of the food chain had to look for other means of subsistence to survive.. How long is it that any one has seen a goanna on Fraser??

Then came all the back packers, tourists from all over who were to arrogant, ignorant, and uninformed. Saw all these dingos and related them to the dog they had at home..
'nice doggie, here's some left overs, arn't they cute?? pat, pat.... oh Shit, it bit me..'

It's not the dingos fault... Humanity broke the food chain, and the dogs are paying for it..

I think there is a lot more to the story. Been all over this country for neigh on 50 years and I do not believe that a dingo would slid under a canvas wall, skirt, door and enter a confined area... Even semi tame ones..

Don't start me on the Ayres Rock BS...
there is still goanna’s on the island, you see them around the fenced food area at Lake Makensie...they actually run into the fenced area to escape the dingos when they see them.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on April 20, 2019, 08:02:17 PM
If you get involved with a Dingo, They fight till they're dead, or whatever they're fighting is, ok.
There's normally another one or more nearby too, they're pack animals, it's how they live.

Treat them with respect, let them find their own food.  Human food for humans, not dingoes, it doesn't work well otherwise.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on April 20, 2019, 08:11:51 PM
Latest report has said their site was packed up and made safe before going to bed.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on April 21, 2019, 05:12:13 PM
Policeman stabbed in the back standing on a train platform with a hunting knife and all caught on camera. They apprehended him. No doubt  he is guilty. Sentence should be ........?    Hang him.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 21, 2019, 05:18:09 PM
Policeman stabbed in the back standing on a train platform with a hunting knife and all caught on camera. They apprehended him. No doubt  he is guilty. Sentence should be ........?    Hang him.
they just showed the knife on the news... ****s lucky to be alive...... quite a large serrated hunting knife..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: D4D on April 21, 2019, 05:18:51 PM
https://www.police.vic.gov.au/police-locate-car-dump-ground-tallarook (https://www.police.vic.gov.au/police-locate-car-dump-ground-tallarook)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: BaseCamp on April 21, 2019, 06:27:44 PM
Hope he was wearing a stab vest?

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 21, 2019, 06:54:52 PM
Hope he was wearing a stab vest?

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was a piss weak shot in the lower/mid of his back.. cop did ok to get the POS arrested but looked like he had plenty of supoort
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on April 21, 2019, 10:49:03 PM
Sad news.  All because some brain dead  tourist ignored the warning signs.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-21/two-lifesavers-drown-attempting-to-rescue-man-off-port-campbell/11034392

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on April 22, 2019, 08:37:12 AM
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dingo-drags-toddler-away-from-campervan-on-fraser-island-20190419-p51fjx.html (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dingo-drags-toddler-away-from-campervan-on-fraser-island-20190419-p51fjx.html)
Hmmm, my sister has had Dingoes for years.
They are indeed nothing like your domestic dog.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 22, 2019, 10:49:05 AM
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Yeah, I am sure the original people never killed a dingo, seems a bit sanctimonious to me.

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on April 22, 2019, 11:21:33 AM
Yeah, I am sure the original people never killed a dingo, seems a bit sanctimonious to me.
I think you have missed the point.
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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 22, 2019, 12:03:19 PM
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Yeah, I am sure the original people never killed a dingo, seems a bit sanctimonious to me.
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Most likely true in the beginning  TA, but I reckon its an odds on favourite  sure bet they EDUCATED themselves about them and  have virtualy no troubles living with  / amongst  them ever since ..
The be all end all problem is  people / visitors,    DON' T / WON'T   listen / learn / adapt to educate themselves  about them and their ways .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Brisbane Puff on April 22, 2019, 01:19:43 PM
Bloody dingos' need to get their act together.... And learn how to open proper zippers..

Then they would have a much greater choice of food sources..... :-[

At least two wild dogs are believed to have popped a clip on the side of the (camper van??) before entering the vehicle on Good Friday.

So, maybe it was a soft floor camper?? All soft floors I have ever seen have zippers.. And who places a 14 month old baby on the ground?? Not near the parents bed?? Not covered up?? Near a door way, where they could wake up and go for a wander??? ..... Like I said before, something isn't right there...

Then you still get the stupid tourist with no common sense, totally ignorant, totally arrogant doing the same stupid things..

And now, suprise, suprise, (and totally un expected), the dogs have to pay the price..

The Butchulla Aboriginal Corporation has urged tourists to be 'more accountable' for their actions just days after a young boy was mauled by a dingo on a popular holiday island.
But the group's stern words appear to have been ignored by defiant visitors who continue to pose with the native animal despite the potentially fatal risks.
Audacious holidaymakers have shared snaps of the canines online in the days since a dingo dragged a 14-month-old baby out of a camper van by his head while his family spent time on Queensland's Fraser Island.

“The Implementation Plan was due to be reviewed later in the year, but I have asked the Department of Environment and Science to review it as a matter of urgency.
'It is time to analyse the dingo risk management implementation plan to determine if more work needs to be done to improve visitor safety.
'The continued safety of visitors to K'gari is a priority, and we want to ensure all the actions the Government undertakes in relation to dingoes is based on the best available science and advice,'”Minister Enoch concluded





 

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on April 22, 2019, 01:44:21 PM
Got me wondering who has the most brains, the dingo or the human. I think the human is on the bottom. Leave them alone.
Without knowing the camper was the draft curtain that fits around the bottom of the trailer used. Seen plenty of times that hasn't  been used. Was told once by a ranger that if we left camp leave the door flap up, the zipper door zipped. That allows the dingo to see in and see nothing is there. Wouldn't  be done at  night  but she said they will be more curious if they cannot see. And I wouldn't  be leaving a young child on the ground without direct supervision there, but then some have more sense than others.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Brisbane Puff on April 22, 2019, 02:00:33 PM
Got me wondering who has the most brains, the dingo or the human. I think the human is on the bottom. Leave them alone.
Without knowing the camper was the draft curtain that fits around the bottom of the trailer used. Seen plenty of times that hasn't  been used. Was told once by a ranger that if we left camp leave the door flap up, the zipper door zipped. That allows the dingo to see in and see nothing is there. Wouldn't  be done at  night  but she said they will be more curious if they cannot see. And I wouldn't  be leaving a young child on the ground without direct supervision there, but then some have more sense than others.

Your on the button there Corndog.. Two things about not having the draft curtain.. First off, (and a big one, is that would expose the child (supposibly on the ground)
exposed to drafts, sand blowing in ect, more reason to have the baby up off the ground.... Second, as I said before, I doubt that any dingo would crawl in under the trailer to a confined space..Especially when they would know/sense human presence.   It's not in their nature to enter a space where they could be trapped.

Also, did you notice the look on the dogs in both the photos?? That is a look of wariness and apprehension.. Not at all at comfortable with the close proximity of the humans twits.. Specially the photo of the bimbo in the green swim suit standing behind it..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Brisbane Puff on April 22, 2019, 02:10:22 PM
Bottom line of all this is that the holy tourist dollar will prevail and nature will suffer because of it.. Instead of controlling the residents, wouldn't be a better option to control and educate the number of tourists?? I'm not a tree hugger, and I'm not saying "lock up the island", but some responsibility needs to be directed to the multitude of visitors and the government that allows the ever increasing amount of visitors..

But, then again, the easy way out to support the almighty dollar is to blame the dingo...

You might remember when that guy drove the road train through the Ayres Rock pub years ago??? I heard that they let him out of jail, and are looking for a dingo that can drive a Mack truck....

Sorry, another bad Chamberlain joke...  ;D 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 22, 2019, 02:14:39 PM
I think you have missed the point.
:(


I get the point, just think it could be better made without the self-righteous indignation.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: D4D on April 22, 2019, 02:24:21 PM
Maybe they need to have a chat with Lindy...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on April 22, 2019, 03:02:42 PM
And as I said Puff, without knowing  the camper who knows. I was saying they are not always used. Last time I was there I didn't use it, but also had an open annex with no one in it. I can see a dingoe nosing it's  way into a camper through a gap, but  alot harder dragging something out depending on the gap size, even so it could be done. And yet the dingoe did enter the camper into a confined space probably  knowing human presence and drag the child out. The dingoes have lost their fear of humans from being fed, patted and selfy  pics. Would you stand that close to a lion for a pic?  Last time I was there I seen 3 dingoe's asleep  at  the back door of a unit . Looked to me they were waiting for a feed. Hung around for days. Let's  face it after all, they're only puppy dogs.
In the end the child is going to be ok. Won't  say the same for some dingoe's
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on April 22, 2019, 03:53:27 PM
I get the point, just think it could be better made without the self-righteous indignation.

Sheeesh,
Chill dude. :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Brisbane Puff on April 23, 2019, 01:02:24 PM
So, here we go, and here we go, and here we go....

First day back at work and the fall out in coming down fast... And the dingos are going to pay the price for the tourists ignorance...

As Queensland officials urgently assess the management of Fraser Island’s dingo population after a spate of attacks this year, brave Instagrammers continue to get up close and personal with the island’s wild dogs.
Pictures posted on social media since a toddler was attacked last Thursday show Instagram users continuing to getting close to dingoes.
The posts continue despite warnings from rangers and locals to keep a safe distance.

And there were heaps of dickheads on instragram from the Easter holidays.


Aboriginal elders from the area have said the current system is not working, and the tens of thousands of tourists who frequent the island wilderness need to be held “accountable” for their actions.
“We would like to remind people that our traditional homeland is a pristine wilderness, which has dangerous animals that could harm your loved ones,” the Butchulla Aboriginal Corporation said in a statement to The Courier Mail.
“It is time that people are more accountable for the ­actions — Wongaris (dingoes) should not be sacrificed for human error or inciting interaction.”

But the government has issued a statement..

A review of the way the island’s dingo population is managed and how officials prevent dangerous interaction between the animals and people will also be carried out urgently.
Environment Minister Leeanne Enoch announced the measures on Sunday, saying the review will also explore ways to improve the State Government’s partnership with the Butchulla people, the traditional owners of Fraser Island.
The review will determine what else needs to be done to improve the safety of the 400,000 visitors to the island, known as K’gari, every year.

400,000 ??? No wonder the island is loved to death...

That's it... Rant over...



Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 23, 2019, 01:19:52 PM
Sheeesh,
Chill dude. :cheers:

Probably an internet and lack of tone thing, my care factor isn't actually all that high.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 27, 2019, 04:46:26 PM
So, here we go, and here we go, and here we go....

First day back at work and the fall out in coming down fast... And the dingos are going to pay the price for the tourists ignorance...

As Queensland officials urgently assess the management of Fraser Island’s dingo population after a spate of attacks this year, brave Instagrammers continue to get up close and personal with the island’s wild dogs.
Pictures posted on social media since a toddler was attacked last Thursday show Instagram users continuing to getting close to dingoes.
The posts continue despite warnings from rangers and locals to keep a safe distance.

And there were heaps of dickheads on instragram from the Easter holidays.


Aboriginal elders from the area have said the current system is not working, and the tens of thousands of tourists who frequent the island wilderness need to be held “accountable” for their actions.
“We would like to remind people that our traditional homeland is a pristine wilderness, which has dangerous animals that could harm your loved ones,” the Butchulla Aboriginal Corporation said in a statement to The Courier Mail.
“It is time that people are more accountable for the ­actions — Wongaris (dingoes) should not be sacrificed for human error or inciting interaction.”

But the government has issued a statement..

A review of the way the island’s dingo population is managed and how officials prevent dangerous interaction between the animals and people will also be carried out urgently.
Environment Minister Leeanne Enoch announced the measures on Sunday, saying the review will also explore ways to improve the State Government’s partnership with the Butchulla people, the traditional owners of Fraser Island.
The review will determine what else needs to be done to improve the safety of the 400,000 visitors to the island, known as K’gari, every year.

400,000 ??? No wonder the island is loved to death...

That's it... Rant over...

Get a bit sock of dickhead tourists and their attitude to our National Parks and forests.  The Dingo and the Croc suffer because of these idiots view that they are entitled to do whatever they want.  Farcebook is a breeding ground for morons in 4wd,s who think they are the most important ones to look out for. Fraser has changed dramatically over the last 30 years and now is the time to limit tourist numbers.  Its like bloody Bourke St at times.  These fwit tourists camp outside designated areas, pose for look at me photos and feed the dogs when instructed not too.  Halve the tourists and halve the campsites. Might keep some of the half wits off the island.  The sooner we learn to work with nature and stop trying, in vain, to control it...the longer we will have something for our grandkids to explore.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on April 27, 2019, 05:07:40 PM
Get a bit sock of dickhead tourists and their attitude to our National Parks and forests.  The Dingo and the Croc suffer because of these idiots view that they are entitled to do whatever they want.  Farcebook is a breeding ground for morons in 4wd,s who think they are the most important ones to look out for. Fraser has changed dramatically over the last 30 years and now is the time to limit tourist numbers.  Its like bloody Bourke St at times.  These fwit tourists camp outside designated areas, pose for look at me photos and feed the dogs when instructed not too.  Halve the tourists and halve the campsites. Might keep some of the half wits off the island.  The sooner we learn to work with nature and stop trying, in vain, to control it...the longer we will have something for our grandkids to explore.
That's the talk in the news down here atm, limit the numbers of visitors not the dingos, but it is only "news talk"

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on April 27, 2019, 05:47:46 PM
Only problem is, how do you choose who to let visit and who misses out? Bet your bottom dollar it will be commercial operators that get access and it will be average joe like those on this forum that end up getting locked out.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on April 27, 2019, 06:14:33 PM
Only problem is, how do you choose who to let visit and who misses out? Bet your bottom dollar it will be commercial operators that get access and it will be average joe like those on this forum that end up getting locked out.
That's happening everywhere these days

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 27, 2019, 06:37:15 PM
Only problem is, how do you choose who to let visit and who misses out? Bet your bottom dollar it will be commercial operators that get access and it will be average joe like those on this forum that end up getting locked out.


Unfortunately that will be true.  However there are other places to go and if we want to pass on some decent land/forest/rivers etc. for future generations we have to give up somethings.  Just hurts a bit when you see the land being raped in North Qld and elsewhere.  Our rivers are turning into sewers and a hell of a lot of this is due to political greed. Billions spent on our water ways and large corporations pocketing Shitloads of money for nothing. Commercial operators will be screaming for the rights to control the island.  Just limit the numbers of commercial and private tourists at a realistic rate.  Maybe its about time the local Indigenous corporation was aked for their input(and listened to!!)  on how to have a sustainable island...everywhere else the white man has been has seen the area totally ruined!!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on April 27, 2019, 07:06:18 PM
Let's make it harder for the humans. Before you get a permit to get on the island make everyone over, let's say 16, sit an online induction pointing out driving, camping and wildlife interaction. Don't  pass and you don't  get a permit.. Everyone does it.  It must be carried with you on the island. No proof of pass, fined. No proof of pass and no island access pass you don't  get on the ferry. Ferry operators fined if they transport people across.  As for the commercial  operators, the passengers need it and they become responsible for their passengers ensuring they follow the wildlife interactions. Anyone caught  by authorities with unreasonable contact, such as feeding and selfies, fined. Will it work?  Isn't  it worth a try  rather  than just shooting dingoe's.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: plusnq on April 27, 2019, 07:13:03 PM
Let's make it harder for the humans. Before you get a permit to get on the island make everyone over, let's say 16, sit an online induction pointing out driving, camping and wildlife interaction. Don't  pass and you don't  get a permit.. Everyone does it.  It must be carried with you on the island. No proof of pass, fined. No proof of pass and no island access pass you don't  get on the ferry. Ferry operators fined if they transport people across.  As for the commercial  operators, the passengers need it and they become responsible for their passengers ensuring they follow the wildlife interactions. Anyone caught  by authorities with unreasonable contact, such as feeding and selfies, fined. Will it work?  Isn't  it worth a try  rather  than just shooting dingoe's.

Sounds reasonable. I’d add a limit to the number of permits as part of the problem is Fraser is rapidly becoming overloved.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Brisbane Puff on April 27, 2019, 07:40:16 PM
Many many years ago.. There was a resort owner, (not naming names here, but he used to bight his arm when he got agro), who was around during the Fitzgerald inquiry. This particular person advocated (along with a suppose island support group) to lay a light rail system through the island and limit private vehicle access.. True story.....

I know this for a fact as I was one of the drivers who transported the Fitzgerald group around the island.

So, having said that, the case of the greedy commercial operator has always been attached to the island.
But 400,000 people a year is absolutely crazy. The island can not sustain that amount.
Over the years (30 or more) the environment of the island has been totally changed. There was a time when you could let your kids walk from the camp site to the waters edge and play in the soft stuff in front of the dunes. Nowadays, you just about have to have pedestrian lights.

So the answer is to cull the numbers, not the wild life.. But that limit would have to also be applied to the tour operators... Wouldn't that cause a s*fight?? And then it would probably boil down to how much pull the resort owners have with the state government.. (Remember, a mention in my earlier posting about getting the brumbies shot out?? That didn't happen til an operator who was part of the white shoe brigade complained that the horses were a danger to the tourists..)

Hmmm, maybe part of the answer is to re-introduce brumbies and the dingos would be well feed and happy and stop bloody snacking on the tourists.. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on April 27, 2019, 07:57:41 PM
Limiting visitor numbers won’t change a thing...until all the people change thier behaviour around these animals, you’ll still have incidents occurring.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 27, 2019, 08:31:01 PM
Many many years ago.. There was a resort owner, (not naming names here, but he used to bight his arm when he got agro), who was around during the Fitzgerald inquiry. This particular person advocated (along with a suppose island support group) to lay a light rail system through the island and limit private vehicle access.. True story.....

I know this for a fact as I was one of the drivers who transported the Fitzgerald group around the island.

So, having said that, the case of the greedy commercial operator has always been attached to the island.
But 400,000 people a year is absolutely crazy. The island can not sustain that amount.
Over the years (30 or more) the environment of the island has been totally changed. There was a time when you could let your kids walk from the camp site to the waters edge and play in the soft stuff in front of the dunes. Nowadays, you just about have to have pedestrian lights.

So the answer is to cull the numbers, not the wild life.. But that limit would have to also be applied to the tour operators... Wouldn't that cause a s*fight?? And then it would probably boil down to how much pull the resort owners have with the state government.. (Remember, a mention in my earlier posting about getting the brumbies shot out?? That didn't happen til an operator who was part of the white shoe brigade complained that the horses were a danger to the tourists..)

Hmmm, maybe part of the answer is to re-introduce brumbies and the dingos would be well feed and happy and stop bloody snacking on the tourists.. ;D ;D ;D


They are apparently introducing $10,000 fines for feeding the Dingos http://www.mygc.com.au/new-10000-fines-for-feeding-dingoes-after-toddler-attacked/ (http://www.mygc.com.au/new-10000-fines-for-feeding-dingoes-after-toddler-attacked/) It's interesting reading through the comments on some of the articles linked in FB posts, many seem to believe that they are starving since the Brumbies were removed and that is why they are getting more brazen, if that is the case (I have no idea) stopping them being fed might have the opposite to desired effect.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Brisbane Puff on April 27, 2019, 09:01:00 PM
They are apparently introducing $10,000 fines for feeding the Dingos http://www.mygc.com.au/new-10000-fines-for-feeding-dingoes-after-toddler-attacked/ (http://www.mygc.com.au/new-10000-fines-for-feeding-dingoes-after-toddler-attacked/) It's interesting reading through the comments on some of the articles linked in FB posts, many seem to believe that they are starving since the Brumbies were removed and that is why they are getting more brazen, if that is the case (I have no idea) stopping them being fed might have the opposite to desired effect.


The dingo has always been on the top of the food chain.. Thing with the brumbies was that there were several herds. The brumbies were prolific breeders, (lots of mares), but there were not a lot of old horses.. Reason for this was that with every mouthfull of grass or what ever, the horse ingested sand. This sand wore away their gut and so it was only a matter of the dingos waiting for a horse to die. Cruel, but that was the way things were..

In those days, the major population dingos were rather well fed and relatively allusive. There were always the occasional dog at a resort or on the beach sniffing out a fishermans catch. But the number of visitors in general were more local and aware of the do's and don't do's with the dogs. Back then it was not unusual to see dogs laying in the shade near buildings during the day.. But people left them alone.....

So now, there are two issues..
1. Large amounts of (as I said before), ignorant, arrogant, and un-informed tourists from all over who either don't think, care, or consider that the rules apply to them..
2. And the major problem is that there have been many many generations of dingos born since those early days, with each generation getting a little bit more used to human contact, and as a consequence, becoming less afraid of human contact. Couple this with a lack of (natural) food and it becomes a downward spiral.

So the logical answer is to limit the numbers of visitors to save both the wild life and the environment. (Our Aboriginal people do that in many places, Eg Arnhem Land..) And couple this with a very through education film (or similar) prior to getting their access permit seems like a good start..

 But I think in the long run. the greed for the tourist dollar will prevail and the dogs will lose.. The dollar always wins...... :-[
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: BaseCamp on April 27, 2019, 10:50:26 PM
One way to manage visitors to the island would be to charge properly to access this magnificent place...

Whilst this may not be a popular idea today   - within a generation or 2 it will be relativly   commonplace I believe...

Rather that a ballot or lottery system to cull, curb, and control the visitor numbers - start charging approx $20 per person per night; ...(something along those lines)....

At the moment as with many things, there maybe a type on inverse hypocrisy with some of the people whaling-out right now  "but we can't afford/don't want to afford that"...
 
Whilst there are always many genuine cases of financial hardship and people with little disposable income, (to pay their way);  -- some of the people that would say charging as suggested above is "ridiculous" -- may be the same folk whom have spent thousands of dollars on their 4wds and CTs etc...   Who enjoy overseas holidays; and other recreations -- where families on one income; or low/limited disposable income still manage to have a holiday and a good time..

Millions of Aussies in this category are still able to budget and save for their annual family or grey nomad vacation...   

So if we look at a naturally beautiful and unique place like Fraser Island as an irreplaceable resource worth billions of dollars - how can we allow it to be treated/used/abused as a freebe?   

Imagine the countless billions it would cost to create something like a FI...  (Even if that were technically possible to construct).

If there are 400,000 visitors at a guess of 4 visitor nights ea pa at $20 per night;  (but knocking off 50% of this total) - to allow for people that suddenly would decide to go elsewhere, and allowing for concessions etc -- then over 5 years the amount of revenue collected is $80,000,000...   

If the pollies could be trusted to keep their grubby little fingers off it, (yeah, right!!); that $80M would be a huge cash chest available to properly manage the Island and invest in facilities, educational experiences etc..   

Plus the number of visitors would be naturally regulated (and reduced); because the effects and impacts of parting with some dollars to visit the island...   ie: some "Accommodation per night" dollars (for the want of a better term)..

Australia is such an egalitarian place - and so of course, those on concession cards, unemployed or whatever else goes in Australia ATM - should be looked after so that the financially disadvantaged are not be discriminated against, and would still get a crack at using FI as a freebe...   (No nightly user fee for them)..

The user pays system would be just for the rest of us who can make a choice about what we are willing to budget for; and spend our limited disposable income on...  Be that for CP accommodation; long haul trip deisal; 4wd bling; or whatever else, etc etc..

As I said above, I reckon some sort of financial levy system will eventually occur for the irreplaceable unique naturally beautifu places such as FI.... 

Australia's population in 2019 is only approx 27m; with umpteen gazillion overseas visitors loaded in annually too...   

But imagine the population and annual visitor numbers in say 30 years time....    It is already out of control today in places such as FI - imagine the dingo attacks; and/or the number of dingos shot out; the number of dunes and tracks ripped up; and all the tuffs of toilet paper flapping in the breeze by 2049...

 


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on April 28, 2019, 07:34:51 AM

2. And the major problem is that there have been many many generations of dingos born since those early days, with each generation getting a little bit more used to human contact, and as a consequence, becoming less afraid of human contact. Couple this with a lack of (natural) food and it becomes a downward spiral.



Give it another 50 years and the dogs will have assimilated and tourists will be able to buy overpriced "Dingo Food Packages" and the dogs will happily wander round the place being hand fed.  :'(

I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on April 28, 2019, 08:11:38 AM
Clive Palmer making news again!! (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6962871/amp/Clive-Palmer-slammed-discovered-Make-Australia-Great-signs-China.html)

Printing in China, because of the short deadlines?  Didn't he know the election was coming up?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 28, 2019, 08:25:57 AM
Wonder when the fat turd is going to repay the millions he owes?  Or tell the cops of the whereabouts of his criminal brother in law, who still receives $4000 a week wage!!

I can understand people being pissed off with main stream politics but Palmer....really!  Bit like asking a pedophile to look after your kids!!!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: bkim on April 28, 2019, 10:53:02 PM
Wonder when the fat turd is going to repay the millions he owes?  Or tell the cops of the whereabouts of his criminal brother in law, who still receives $4000 a week wage!!


You don't understand Bigfish, he needs his brother in law to stay in Romania to look after that $180 million invested there, that Clive's wife couldn't quite remember why it was there when she was in court  ;D






Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 29, 2019, 10:03:31 AM
Quote from: Bigfish
I can understand people being pissed off with main stream politics but Palmer....really!  Bit like asking a pedophile to look after your kids!!!
yea blows my mind too...  but you'd said it pissed with the major players - like the USA did.. people pissed with the regular liars and criminals

The bigger issue is people don't give a Shit anymore - just get your name crossed off, or writing anything on the voting forms... They know that political parties in AU dont give a Shit about the average person, they are just an inconvenience these days...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on April 29, 2019, 10:19:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk)  I think I'm with George's veiw but the Australian version  .   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 29, 2019, 10:33:46 AM
Quote from: edz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk)  I think I'm with George's veiw but the Australian version  .   ;D ;D
I miss Georges stuff :(
George Carlin On Religion  some of the best ever!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 29, 2019, 11:23:07 AM
OK, kind of serious question, but not wanting to start a political s**t storm.....
I'd like to disregard the left V right rubbish for a minute and assume thats it's pretty safe to say there's heaps of us that are really pissed off with the current state of ALL politics in this country.
Sure, there's always going to be the sheep that will only ever vote for their one party and no amount of incompetence is ever going to sway them away.

But for us free thinking folk, how do we use our vote to send a clear message to the polictical classes?

Personally I don't want to tick a blue or a red box at this election.
There's no way in hell I'd put that other fat grub's name on my ballot, after those we're pretty much left with bag full of random loonies to choose from.

I'm not going to waste my vote by donkey voting or drawing a big cock and balls on the paper (as much fun as that would be).
The sad fact is that no matter what we do or who we vote for, everything filters back to the main 2 idiots eventually anyway.

So does anyone have a sensible way for a reasonable person to send a very clear legitimate message from the ballot box to both sides of politics that we really don't like either of you?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on April 29, 2019, 11:32:58 AM
Pete, unfortunately, the last seven words of your article covers everything.
They know that already and don't give a rats!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 29, 2019, 11:48:09 AM
OK, kind of serious question, but not wanting to start a political s**t storm.....
I'd like to disregard the left V right rubbish for a minute and assume thats it's pretty safe to say there's heaps of us that are really pissed off with the current state of ALL politics in this country.
Sure, there's always going to be the sheep that will only ever vote for their one party and no amount of incompetence is ever going to sway them away.

But for us free thinking folk, how do we use our vote to send a clear message to the polictical classes?

Personally I don't want to tick a blue or a red box at this election.
There's no way in hell I'd put that other fat grub's name on my ballot, after those we're pretty much left with bag full of random loonies to choose from.

I'm not going to waste my vote by donkey voting or drawing a big cock and balls on the paper (as much fun as that would be).
The sad fact is that no matter what we do or who we vote for, everything filters back to the main 2 idiots eventually anyway.

So does anyone have a sensible way for a reasonable person to send a very clear legitimate message from the ballot box to both sides of politics that we really don't like either of you?
I'd love to know too. The sad fact is unless a stupid %age of voters does it, nothing will change.. they get in power, all puffing out their chests like "We won"... and life goes on ... and on.. nothing changes.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 29, 2019, 11:53:28 AM
One of the biggest issues I have with the parties is the promise of more money for virtually everything.  Unfortunately this "more money" has to come from you and I. Why the f cant they give us the promises whilst in their term?  Not promising bullShit and never delivering. Li or Lab will get in.  Whoever gets in will still be a wank fest for their mates.  Palmer for prime minister with dutton as his sidekick. Toss in katter as treasuer and hanson for education.  Scary Shit....Oh yeah....barnaby and abbott for the environment.....

no wonder people turn to drugs....

 :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on April 29, 2019, 12:29:36 PM
One of the biggest issues I have with the parties is the promise of more money for virtually everything.  Unfortunately this "more money" has to come from you and I. Why the f cant they give us the promises whilst in their term?  Not promising bullShit and never delivering. Li or Lab will get in.  Whoever gets in will still be a wank fest for their mates.  Palmer for prime minister with dutton as his sidekick. Toss in katter as treasuer and hanson for education.  Scary Shit....Oh yeah....barnaby and abbott for the environment.....

no wonder people turn to drugs....

 :cheers: :cheers:

What, no room for Sarah Hanson-Young?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 29, 2019, 01:02:31 PM
So does anyone have a sensible way for a reasonable person to send a very clear legitimate message from the ballot box to both sides of politics that we really don't like either of you?

Not that I know of, unfortunately, I think it is a case a vote for the least worst option. Best to vote for the party that you think has the best policies, but distilling and comparing them is no easy task.

For something that was put out by the ABC and a University I found this fairly unbiased https://votecompass.abc.net.au/, would be nice if they positioned a few other parties on there as well like PUP, ACP, SFF, NXT etc. Pro tip is don't worry about "Profile Questions" they are just trying to find out information about you.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: noel_w on April 29, 2019, 01:41:22 PM
What, no room for Sarah Hanson-Young?
Dingo bait on Fraser? Be a good job for all of them but probably the dingoes would throw them back.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 29, 2019, 01:44:47 PM
Dingo bait on Fraser? Be a good job for all of them but probably the dingoes would throw them back.


You must really hate dingos mate if you want to feed them pollies.  No nutriments at all....just Shit and wind!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on April 29, 2019, 02:10:28 PM
Here's a thought, you could always have a crack at the senate, only need what, eight to ten votes, call yourselves some weird catchy name and go for it.  ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: glenm64 on April 29, 2019, 02:24:27 PM
Very few people from the real world are involved in grass root politics on either side.
Hence candidates that the party system want, not real people who are from the electorate, get preselection. Branches are run by people who have ulterior motives. Politicians reflect that through their career, having to carry out (at whatever cost) the party hierarchies wishes, otherwise they wont be preselected by their branch the next time round.
If the local branch was run by real world people, regardless of whether you are left or right wing, at least the motives would be more pure and actually be in the countries best interest, not the parties best interest. Then a sitting politician would be held to account by his branch, which is what grass roots politics is really about. So to be elected the candidate would have to voted for twice by his electorate. Once by the local branch members(real people in the electorate), then by the electorate as a whole.
But that wont happen because people today are too disillusioned, and the establishment wont let go without a fight.

But now we have a new dilemma. With the protest vote we see an increasing number of independents and minor parties elected to the Senate due to proportional voting (thats another issue). Now, we get an elected government, that despite taking a policy platform to the electorate and getting a majority of votes, they are unable to pass it through the Senate. The minor parties then want concessions and sweet heart deals to pass the governments legislation.
We may eventually end up being a country governed by several minority party coalitions that all want different things and cant agree on anything.
Depressing isn't it?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on April 29, 2019, 02:28:19 PM
Yes it sure is.

Sadly whilst we have preferential voting, nothing will change
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 29, 2019, 02:43:13 PM
Not that I know of, unfortunately, I think it is a case a vote for the least worst option. Best to vote for the party that you think has the best policies, but distilling and comparing them is no easy task.

For something that was put out by the ABC and a University I found this fairly unbiased https://votecompass.abc.net.au/, would be nice if they positioned a few other parties on there as well like PUP, ACP, SFF, NXT etc. Pro tip is don't worry about "Profile Questions" they are just trying to find out information about you.
Cheers, I had been meaning to do that quiz again this year.
Just gave it a go now and no wonder I don’t like any current politicians, it’s lonely space here in the center away from those extreme edges... ;)


I have never taken a single how to vote card from any of those pests as you walk in to vote (I actually gone as far as jumping the side fence into the school grounds just to avoid them in the past).
But this year I think I might actually take all of them and see what preferences deals have been done. Then I’ll see if I can’t make the longest path possible for my vote to get to a major party.... ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 29, 2019, 03:14:05 PM
Sadly whilst we have preferential voting, nothing will change

We have somewhat optional preferential voting in the Senate now which should see those with little actual votes with little to no chance of getting in, like when Ricky Muir got in with 0.5% of the vote.
I have mixed feelings about it though, as the downside is that it likely benefits the two big parties more, and I think a Senate with a Ricky Muir type of politician is probably more representative of the electorate than whoever is the next Lib/Lab person on their ticket.

Cheers, I had been meaning to do that quiz again this year.
Just gave it a go now and no wonder I don’t like any current politicians, it’s lonely space here in the center away from those extreme edges... ;)

Same, although I suspect that as I am a little below the line you are a little above  ;) The bit I found most interesting though was that the ABC published something pointing to the Greens actually being more extreme than One Nation!

I have never taken a single how to vote card from any of those pests as you walk in to vote (I actually gone as far as jumping the side fence into the school grounds just to avoid them in the past).
But this year I think I might actually take all of them and see what preferences deals have been done. Then I’ll see if I can’t make the longest path possible for my vote to get to a major party.... ;D

I actually back onto a School so can sneak in behind them, always enjoy the puzzled looks on their faces. One thing that I forgot to mention is that your vote is actually worth about $2.75 in election funding, so you can actually save some tax $$$ (and reduce the adds next time) by putting a 1 next to someone who will get less than 4% of the first preferences (the cut off to receive funding).
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: BaseCamp on April 29, 2019, 03:14:52 PM
KSD (BNE) Chaos right now...
Zoom into the last pic...
Looks to be several balding tyres...?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190429/fdab8fdc77942eb105671ff48137a6a1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190429/984c2489f88c947bbcdd3db9af675b3e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190429/28a42118bf94d9e5b6f47c3720c811b2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190429/f5a8667aad7f330f803946b88aad356d.jpg)

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: noel_w on April 29, 2019, 03:29:47 PM
KSD (BNE) Chaos right now...
Zoom into the last pic...
Looks to be several balding tyres...?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190429/fdab8fdc77942eb105671ff48137a6a1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190429/984c2489f88c947bbcdd3db9af675b3e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190429/28a42118bf94d9e5b6f47c3720c811b2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190429/f5a8667aad7f330f803946b88aad356d.jpg)

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Drop into the Breaky Ck for a coldy while you are waiting  :cheers: :cheers: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: BaseCamp on April 29, 2019, 03:45:12 PM
Should do...   ubder tge pump

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on April 29, 2019, 04:12:37 PM
One of the biggest issues I have with the parties is the promise of more money for virtually everything.  Unfortunately this "more money" has to come from you and I. Why the f cant they give us the promises whilst in their term?  Not promising bullShit and never delivering. Li or Lab will get in.  Whoever gets in will still be a wank fest for their mates.  Palmer for prime minister with dutton as his sidekick. Toss in katter as treasuer and hanson for education.  Scary Shit....Oh yeah....barnaby and abbott for the environment.....

no wonder people turn to drugs....

 :cheers: :cheers:
Take out Palmer and you have a pretty good team


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on April 29, 2019, 05:27:01 PM
My theory is that it is better to live in a marginal seat, so i tend to vote against the incumbent in the lower house (i dont live in a marginal seat by a long shot).
For the senate, i tend to vote for whoever i think will actually win the election because i am sick of governments not being able to implement their policies. I reckon give them 3 years to do what they said they will do and if it turns to crap they can be punted next election.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 29, 2019, 06:03:38 PM
Take out Palmer and you have a pretty good team


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haha....See...thats the drugs talking..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on April 29, 2019, 06:54:31 PM

haha....See...thats the drugs talking..
I know you would prefer Sarah Hanson young or Richard di natale


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 29, 2019, 07:19:00 PM
I know you would prefer Sarah Hanson young or Richard di natale


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hahaha...your on a good trip..thats for sure....never assume     :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on April 29, 2019, 11:58:00 PM
My theory is that it is better to live in a marginal seat, so i tend to vote against the incumbent in the lower house (i dont live in a marginal seat by a long shot).
For the senate, i tend to vote for whoever i think will actually win the election because i am sick of governments not being able to implement their policies. I reckon give them 3 years to do what they said they will do and if it turns to crap they can be punted next election.
Agree with it being better in a marginal seat. Our sitting Labor member won by only 37 votes. Bet she's nervous. The LNP candidate is a young enthusiastic bloke who served and was injured in Afghanistan and is pushing for improved services and help for war vets. I believe there are about 15000 military people here. Will probably be the end of Labor here for a while I think.
 They are all promising many things to us....

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on April 30, 2019, 05:39:12 AM
Agree with it being better in a marginal seat. Our sitting Labor member won by only 37 votes. Bet she's nervous. The LNP candidate is a young enthusiastic bloke who served and was injured in Afghanistan and is pushing for improved services and help for war vets. I believe there are about 15000 military people here. Will probably be the end of Labor here for a while I think.
 They are all promising many things to us....

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This is my point exactly...why hasnt the current govt already improved the war vets entitlements/medical/mental issues?  Lib or Lab...this bullShit treatment should have been done and dusted years ago.  More bullShit promises that the gullible will believe!  Its like they know there is a problem but wont fix it as it is better to promise to fix it next time around.     Also makes you wonder how many people from the Townsville area actually believe conman Palmers rhetoric. Palmer looks after himself and no one else..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 30, 2019, 06:23:20 AM
What is it about polis from up north, both Katter and O'Toole seem to always talk like they are having a rant, Katter I find comical and almost enjoyable to listen too though while O'Toole from the little I have seen I found really grating.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 30, 2019, 08:54:18 AM
So does anyone have a sensible way for a reasonable person to send a very clear legitimate message from the ballot box to both sides of politics that we really don't like either of you?

I'm heard it said that you put 1 for the independent or minor party that you find the most appealing (or should that be find the least disagreeable ??? >:D), continue along & put the big 3 (or 4?) last.

This supposedly sends a signal to the big end of town that people don't like them, & if a reasonable cross-bench does actually get elected, then the Govt (whichever side they may be) will actually have to listen to, & work with, them, rather than just saying this is the way it's gonna be, & stuff the lot of you :'(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 30, 2019, 08:57:13 AM
found this fairly unbiased https://votecompass.abc.net.au/

Did that quiz t'other day & found out that I'm apparently closest aligned to ALP, which surprises me more than somewhat ???

Funnily enough though, Greens & I just don't get on ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on April 30, 2019, 08:58:39 AM
.why hasnt the current govt already improved the war vets entitlements/medical/mental issues? 

Every Govt employs the same methods.

Deny, Delay, Death

Only recently the Korean blokes were upgraded, but as per the above, there are not many left.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 30, 2019, 08:59:00 AM
Here's a thought, you could always have a crack at the senate, only need what, eight to ten votes, call yourselves some weird catchy name and go for it.  ;D

The MySwag Party ???

I reckon I know ~25000 people who'd vote for you >:D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 30, 2019, 09:14:28 AM
I'm heard it said that you put 1 for the independent or minor party that you find the most appealing (or should that be find the least disagreeable ??? >:D), continue along & put the big 3 (or 4?) last.

This supposedly sends a signal to the big end of town that people don't like them, & if a reasonable cross-bench does actually get elected, then the Govt (whichever side they may be) will actually have to listen to, & work with, them, rather than just saying this is the way it's gonna be, & stuff the lot of you :'(
Cheers mate.
That’s pretty much what I was thinking to do, just waiting to see who are my other choices.

It doesn’t actually matter what I put on my ballot as my fellow constituents believed Peter Slipper was the best person to represent our community for a couple of decades, we could have Humpty Dumpty as our next local member, as long as he’s wearing blue. :(
So rather then just totally waste my vote, I’d prefer to send a statistical F-you to both parties. ;)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on April 30, 2019, 09:40:10 AM
Cheers mate.
That’s pretty much what I was thinking to do, just waiting to see who are my other choices.

If you're like us - limited :'(

Big 4, Liberal Democrats, Conservative Nationals (Fraser Anning's mob), Palmer, Animal Justice & 1 independent, who I've never even heard of ??? So my own theory of least worst upwards has problems after I go past 1!  :'(

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It doesn’t actually matter what I put on my ballot as my fellow constituents believed Peter Slipper was the best person to represent our community for a couple of decades, we could have Humpty Dumpty as our next local member, as long as he’s wearing blue. :(

Same, same - this seat has been Liberal since 1972 :o & Country Party for 25 years before that, so Conservative since it was formed in 1949! They'd need something like a 15% swing to knock them out, which I don't think is ever likely to happen ???
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 30, 2019, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: MattNQ
They are all promising many things to us....

and this is the problem.. they all promise... But when they don't deliver on the obvious lies we all know - they should be chucked out within the first 6mths of sitting

You tell the lemmings your going to do something just to get elected - FFS you do it or theres consequences . No job and no perks. out on your arse like normal workers (not managers or directors sadly) would.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 30, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
Quote from: Pete79
So does anyone have a sensible way for a reasonable person to send a very clear legitimate message from the ballot box to both sides of politics that we really don't like either of you?

Sadly when you think about it, if there was a way to do this, nobody would ever get in power, as I dont know anybody that is happy with any of the current offerings.
Mate of mine has been doing the 'no suitable candidate to meet my will' thing - thinking it would send a message, but google shows that incorrect.




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https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/theres-no-such-things-as-a-valid-informal-vote/10981522

Claim: Drawing a line through every name and writing "no suitable candidate to follow my will" is a valid vote

Again, nope. There's no such thing as a valid informal vote. The only thing that voting in this way will do is render your vote useless. Which means that the candidate with the most votes, with or without your informal vote, will win that seat.

Here's what the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) has to say about it:

"We are advising people quite clearly that a vote like this (i.e. where a line is drawn through each candidate's name and 'no suitable candidate to meet my will' written on the ballot paper) is an informal vote and therefore not included in the count," the spokesperson told Hack.



Looks like I'll just go in and get my name crossed off again as usual, nobody is getting my vote.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on April 30, 2019, 10:20:37 AM
Sadly when you think about it, if there was a way to do this, nobody would ever get in power, as I dont know anybody that is happy with any of the current offerings.
Mate of mine has been doing the 'no suitable candidate to meet my will' thing - thinking it would send a message, but google shows that incorrect.






Looks like I'll just go in and get my name crossed off again as usual, nobody is getting my vote.
Me too

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on April 30, 2019, 10:46:23 AM
When you accidentally come out of the closet that you weren't actually in, to begin with. https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/australias-james-faulkner-reveals-fiveyear-samesex-relationship/news-story/42387b2489f7641f0dbb6d0ab206b2b4 (https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/australias-james-faulkner-reveals-fiveyear-samesex-relationship/news-story/42387b2489f7641f0dbb6d0ab206b2b4)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on April 30, 2019, 01:20:09 PM
Let's change a few things. 1 vote, 1 value. No more I didn't make it so here's my vote so you can. Preference votes are out. No Coalitions. I vote for X party but get a xy party. It's 1 party or none. Deals done before an election so 2 parties can share power, gone. More accountability on the pollies themselves. If the government can be sacked by the "Queens" representative he/she can get rid of a pollie that needs getting rid of. Rort and your out. No more cushy payoffs once your voted out/given the sack for the rest of your life. Super payments brought back to the same rules the average Joe voter gets from them. No more $80,000+ payments per year for the rest of their lives + car + office +office staff + travel and so on. Average Joe gets none of that. Some say you can't do that, you won't get the right people needed to do the job. Half that are there now aren't the right people. And just think, are they there for the good of the country, or the good of their pockets, I think their pockets are more important. Rest of you add what you like.  Rant over.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on April 30, 2019, 01:50:01 PM
Let's change a few things. 1 vote, 1 value. No more I didn't make it so here's my vote so you can. Preference votes are out. No Coalitions. I vote for X party but get a xy party. It's 1 party or none. Deals done before an election so 2 parties can share power, gone. More accountability on the pollies themselves. If the government can be sacked by the "Queens" representative he/she can get rid of a pollie that needs getting rid of. Rort and your out. No more cushy payoffs once your voted out/given the sack for the rest of your life. Super payments brought back to the same rules the average Joe voter gets from them. No more $80,000+ payments per year for the rest of their lives + car + office +office staff + travel and so on. Average Joe gets none of that. Some say you can't do that, you won't get the right people needed to do the job. Half that are there now aren't the right people. And just think, are they there for the good of the country, or the good of their pockets, I think their pockets are more important. Rest of you add what you like.  Rant over.
you got my vote...

interesting talkin to a pommy bloke here at work at lunch, and you think our setup is all ****ed up... lol
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on April 30, 2019, 02:28:39 PM
This is my point exactly...why hasnt the current govt already improved the war vets entitlements/medical/mental issues?  Lib or Lab...this bullShit treatment should have been done and dusted years ago.  More bullShit promises that the gullible will believe!  Its like they know there is a problem but wont fix it as it is better to promise to fix it next time around.     Also makes you wonder how many people from the Townsville area actually believe conman Palmers rhetoric. Palmer looks after himself and no one else..
I've not met anyone here that believes anything Palmer says. No credibility anymore. He's running ex footy player Greg Dowling here, but I don't think anyone will really be swayed.

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 30, 2019, 07:29:17 PM
Turns out I will be drawing a big cock and balls on both ballot papers after all.

There’s no way I can give my vote to any one of these.....

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What the hell is this “Love Australia or leave” rubbish..... Seriously... ?? I give up. :(





From an SBS article.
Looks like there’ll be even more then 720,915 informal votes this year.

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When Australians head to the polls on 18 May, it is expected that more people will cast a vote than ever before.
But while enrollment numbers are at record highs, according to a Grattan Institute report, the trust voters have in politicians is at its lowest since 1969.
It also found that just a quarter of voters believe politicians will do the right thing.
"While there are many causes of falling trust and exasperation with the political establishment, one is the growing sense that people in government look after their own interests, or those of powerful groups, rather than the public interest," the report said. 
And speaking to constituents in some of Australia’s most marginal seats, similar sentiments were regularly repeated.
"Both sides need to get their act together. Neither of them are doing a particularly good job," says a voter in the marginal electorate of Banks in south-west Sydney.
“It’s a bit of a joke these days,” says another voter.
“It’s come to sort of a shemozzle sort of thing.”
Trust in politicians in 'freefall'
Professor Ariadne Vromen from the University of Sydney says political infighting and a stream of leadership spills has put Australians off mainstream politics.
“People are disenchanted with politicians and political parties,” she told SBS News.
“They don't feel like they're listened to, they don't feel like their issues are represented on policy agenda.
"A lot of the issues that matter to young people, from climate, to housing affordability to job security are not always taken up as the mainstream policy agendas of the major parties.”
Another academic suggests trust has been in "freefall" in recent years. 
“We have seen levels of trust in levels of Australian politics, in politicians and parties in particular, really in freefall since about 2010,” said Dr Jill Sheppard from the Australian National University.
“Voters just don't feel like they're getting really a bang for their buck with the parties."
In another recent study charting just how far politicians have fallen out of favour with the public, the University of Canberra found only 41 per cent of Australians are satisfied with the state of democracy here.
The informal vote factor
The 2016 election saw the highest number of informal votes ever recorded, with 720,915 people casting an informal vote in the House of Representatives, while 567,806 voted informally in the Senate.
Dr Lauren Rosewarne from the University of Melbourne says that will likely grow on May 18.
“In the recent ACT state elections you saw a spike in informal votes,” Dr Rosewarne said.
“Generally speaking, though, they only constitute a small percentage of the vote. So I think in Australia we talk a lot of apathy, but it kind of doesn't matter in a country where you're forced to go to the polls anyway."



Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on April 30, 2019, 07:38:22 PM
Turns out I will be drawing a big cock and balls on both ballot papers after all.


Have you ever gotten in strife for that? thought they would hand out fines for that
Title: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 30, 2019, 07:44:41 PM
Have you ever gotten in strife for that? thought they would hand out fines for that
It’s called ‘informal voting’.  https://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/Informal_Voting/ (https://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/Informal_Voting/)

Basically just a wasted vote. Like donkey voting (writing 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 from top to bottom on the page).
You walk in and get your name marked off the roll, so avoiding the fine, but wasting the chance to have your say.

I’ve never done either, but this year I’m refusing to give my vote to either major party. And as above there’s no way I can in good conscience tick a box next to Parlmer, Hanson, Anning and especially not that “love it or leave” rubbish....
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on April 30, 2019, 07:45:54 PM
I'm not a good artist., picture wise that is, so I wtite the words that equate to the same as your pic. F*** THEM ALL.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on April 30, 2019, 07:53:56 PM
It might feel good for you at the time but none of the pollies will ever be aware of it.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on April 30, 2019, 07:56:56 PM
Huh ok imma just gonna do the same most of the partys stink and no bet none would give 2 cares about someone who cant find a job at all even with training (feel free to go all dole bludger on me i dont care no jobs on the sunshine coast and those about are wanting experiance only)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on April 30, 2019, 08:16:40 PM
Let's  have on the ballot papers a box for those that don't want to, or can't  bring themselves to vote for any of the parties and let's have that vote counted as such, not counted as invalid. Then the pollies might see and take notice.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on April 30, 2019, 08:40:37 PM
Turns out I will be drawing a big cock and balls on both ballot papers after all.

There’s no way I can give my vote to any one of these.....

Following the recent State Elections in NSW there was an article from the Vote Counters concerning the comments and artwork on some of the ballot papers.  While some of it may have been funny some of the comments were quite crude, rude and gross.  As one of the people said it is a shame the Candidates never get to see them. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on April 30, 2019, 08:48:20 PM
Following the recent State Elections in NSW there was an article from the Vote Counters concerning the comments and artwork on some of the ballot papers.  While some of it may have been funny some of the comments were quite crude, rude and gross.  As one of the people said it is a shame the Candidates never get to see them.
Yeah I can imagine the vote counters would see all sorts of gross and offensive stuff on the forms.

Personally I use that doodle term loosely, just in humor. Like the kid that keeps drawing that picture in chalk on the footpath in front of the school gates, I always giggle like an immature little boy when I see it on my morning walks. ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: duggie on April 30, 2019, 09:09:52 PM
Let's  have on the ballot papers a box for those that don't want to, or can't  bring themselves to vote for any of the parties and let's have that vote counted as such, not counted as invalid. Then the pollies might see and take notice.



I look at it this way .

If ya don't vote , ya don't have the right to bitch about how the elected government is doing . Nor should you get centrelink payouts .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on April 30, 2019, 09:33:38 PM


I look at it this way .

If ya don't vote , ya don't have the right to bitch about how the elected government is doing . Nor should you get centrelink payouts .

I agree, we often talk about politicians and there own self interest, most of us probably vote for what's in our best interest at some stage in our life. As I have gotten older I think more of my kids and grandkids future when weighing things up. Yes the gene pool may not be good but I'm sure as hell not going to waste my vote.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: saph on April 30, 2019, 09:34:51 PM


I look at it this way .

If ya don't vote , ya don't have the right to bitch about how the elected government is doing . Nor should you get centrelink payouts .

shafted if you do vote, shafted if you dont vote with your way of looking at things because all our goverment does is screw everyone to make their pension bigger.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on May 01, 2019, 12:52:45 AM
People that vote still whinge about what the elected government is or isn't  doing and it usually is about the party they didn't  vote for. And voting for the sake of voting is just as bad as not voting. At least those that don't  support a party can whinge at them all. And I  have never had any centrelink payment. and what has that got to do with voting?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: bkim on May 01, 2019, 01:01:52 AM
I've not met anyone here that believes anything Palmer says. No credibility anymore. He's running ex footy player Greg Dowling here, but I don't think anyone will really be swayed.

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My nephew worked at Yabulu, he and his wife had to sell up and move to Gladstone, I haven't met anybody yet that believes Clive!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on May 01, 2019, 04:29:44 AM
My nephew worked at Yabulu, he and his wife had to sell up and move to Gladstone, I haven't met anybody yet that believes Clive!

Old fat turd is Australia's version of trump.  Dead set conman, liar and 100% self interest only. Anyone who seriously thinks palmer is going into politics to help see his fellow Australians be better off is delusional.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on May 01, 2019, 05:55:17 AM
Old fat turd is Australia's version of trump.  Dead set conman, liar and 100% self interest only. Anyone who seriously thinks palmer is going into politics to help see his fellow Australians be better off is delusional.
Haha can’t leave trump alone can you. So sad


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on May 01, 2019, 07:00:26 AM
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Haha can’t leave trump alone can you. So sad


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on May 01, 2019, 07:15:28 AM
Even if the topic doesn’t relate to the USA at all, old Bigfish has to bring it back to Mr Trump because he is obsessed.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on May 01, 2019, 07:29:17 AM
 A lot of you won't get the option to vote for Palmer, only his party. So I did some research and got on their website and looked at 4 candidates. 1 had a list of a few different jobs and thee odd committee none not which would out him in a position to make decision that affect the whole country. The next wanted one road widened and some intersections fixed. The next was blank and the last also had a list of jobs and his job that "qualifies" as relevant experience is he is a labourer at Parliament House.

I vote for the party that gives the best overall package. I don't pick and choose one policy as the key. Some of their policies don't help me or I don't like but others do.
Stealing from JFK, you can please all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but you can't please all the people all the time. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on May 01, 2019, 09:43:26 AM
GUILTY

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-01/mohamed-noor-guily-of-murdering-justine-damond-ruszczyk/11060600 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-01/mohamed-noor-guily-of-murdering-justine-damond-ruszczyk/11060600)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 01, 2019, 10:59:39 AM
Quote from: xcvator
GUILTY

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-01/mohamed-noor-guily-of-murdering-justine-damond-ruszczyk/11060600 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-01/mohamed-noor-guily-of-murdering-justine-damond-ruszczyk/11060600)
Guilty of **** all really...
I dont get how your guilty of murder and manslaughter... but it is america..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on May 01, 2019, 11:10:45 AM
Guilty of **** all really...
I dont get how your guilty of murder and manslaughter... but it is america..
he shot an unarmed lady in the street in a panick reaction, he deserves jail time...sadly though in America it rarely occurs for the police shooting unarmed people. The sadest part of it all is, the fact cops are so scared of being shot themselves due to the huge amount of guns in thier country, that they then act the way he did.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 01, 2019, 11:17:17 AM
Quote from: Rumpig
he shot an unarmed lady in the street in a panick reaction, he deserves jail time...

yea it came out wrong what I meant with the guilty of '**** all' - meaning he got away with it.... guilty on the weaker charge.. not the Murder 2... apparently diff in 2 and 3 is one has intent the other doesnt..
he pulled gun, and shot at an unarmed woman. but you'd be twitchy being a cop in USA with the gun culture
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 01, 2019, 11:32:35 AM
Who'd be a cop

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The Police Association of NSW has published graphic photos of injuries sustained by a young officer during a violent assault at Brighton-Le-Sands.

"When our members are bitten, spat on or exposed to bodily fluids from violent offenders they are subjected to months of testing and medical uncertainty following the attack," the post said.

Association secretary Pat Gooley later revealed the alleged offender was on parole and wearing an ankle bracelet at the time of the incident.

The officer was allegedly forced to the ground, scratched, had her head bitten and hair pulled after the man charged at her when police attempted to arrest him in a Queen Street unit on Sunday.

Police used pepper spray and a taser to try and subdue him.

The accused man, 48, faced three charges in Sutherland Local Court, where a mental health assessment was ordered.

Mr Gooley said in an interview with Ray Hadley on 2GB there had been "a series of rather horrible assaults on police" since Good Friday.

"We had a member stabbed on Good Friday on a railway station," he said.

"We have had members hit over the head and knocked unconscious with torches, bottles thrown at them and, of course, this incident on Sunday.

"It's time to say enough is enough.

"It's not enough to say 'we respect police and we respect the work they do.' You have got to respect the person who puts on that blue shirt every day and goes and risks their life.

"If this is what they face then people like the government and the judiciary need to step up and take this fair dinkum."

Mr Gooley said the judiciary did not seem to take assaults on police seriously.

He also criticised the government for "sitting on" a parliamentary inquiry report into the exposure of emergency service members to bodily fluids.

The report had been completed 12 months ago, but the government had made no commitment to legislation, he said.

"Our 22-year-old member has six months now trying to find out what diseases [she] has been exposed to," he said.

"She will undergo constant testing and have to change her lifestyle because a grub allegedly bit her on the back of the head.
https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6099146/photos-of-police-officer-assaulted-at-brighton-le-sands/ (https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6099146/photos-of-police-officer-assaulted-at-brighton-le-sands/)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on May 01, 2019, 12:09:49 PM
Even if the topic doesn’t relate to the USA at all, old Bigfish has to bring it back to Mr Trump because he is obsessed.


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Oh no Jucy...you,ve done it again and once again you have f,d up...stop assuming!!   Just because I dont like bullies, liars and conmen dosnt mean I,m obsessed.  You may prefer these type of people but I am sick of seeing the average worker screwed over again and again..  Sorry if thats not agreeable with you.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on May 01, 2019, 12:23:27 PM
Old fat turd is Australia's version of trump.  Dead set conman, liar and 100% self interest only. Anyone who seriously thinks palmer is going into politics to help see his fellow Australians be better off is delusional.

regardless of personal opinions about anyone (which may or may not be justified), is there any need to make fun of their physical appearance?

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on May 01, 2019, 12:42:00 PM
Who'd be a cop
Overworked, underpaid and no support from management or the judiciary


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on May 01, 2019, 12:45:18 PM

Oh no Jucy...you,ve done it again and once again you have f,d up...stop assuming!!   Just because I dont like bullies, liars and conmen dosnt mean I,m obsessed.  You may prefer these type of people but I am sick of seeing the average worker screwed over again and again..  Sorry if thats not agreeable with you.
Oh that’s right you like old Bill Shorten who ripped off thousands of workers. You are so absolutely perfect.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on May 01, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
Oh that’s right you like old Bill Shorten who ripped off thousands of workers. You are so absolutely perfect.


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Mate give it a rest...assume I like Bill Shorten...haha
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on May 01, 2019, 12:51:25 PM
Mate give it a rest...assume I like Bill Shorten...haha
I notified you edited out where you called me a w*nker. Honestly how old are you?


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on May 01, 2019, 12:58:09 PM
is there any need to make fun of their physical appearance?

No need to assume Paceman, it may be a real photo of BigFish.  ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 01, 2019, 08:39:32 PM
certainly been an interesting day or two on the hustings

https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/candidates-drop-like-flies-in-day-of-scandal/news-story/69cffa220dd8df9a9d3560fc9956fd2a (https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/candidates-drop-like-flies-in-day-of-scandal/news-story/69cffa220dd8df9a9d3560fc9956fd2a)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on May 01, 2019, 09:05:02 PM
certainly been an interesting day or two on the hustings

https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/candidates-drop-like-flies-in-day-of-scandal/news-story/69cffa220dd8df9a9d3560fc9956fd2a (https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/candidates-drop-like-flies-in-day-of-scandal/news-story/69cffa220dd8df9a9d3560fc9956fd2a)
Some real gems in there, but this one from our former minister for cyber security is a cracker.

Can’t even remember to log into his fake account to praise himself... ;D

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 01, 2019, 09:28:08 PM
Some real gems in there, but this one from our former minister for cyber security is a cracker.

Can’t even remember to log into his fake account to praise himself... ;D

He is just doing his Affirmations  ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: GGV8Cruza on May 02, 2019, 01:05:50 AM
Harkaway PS Vex robotic team come 43rd in the world. An amazing result for a team that only started robotics a little over a year ago and practiced on a table tennis table.

An amazing event in Kentucky USA.

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: plusnq on May 02, 2019, 06:03:07 AM
Harkaway PS Vex robotic team come 43rd in the world. An amazing result for a team that only started robotics a little over a year ago and practiced on a table tennis table.

An amazing event in Kentucky USA.

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Well done kids !
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on May 02, 2019, 08:37:08 AM
Well done top effort from the Kids teacher and parents, Can only imagine some of the budgets / gear the top teams are playing with . :cup:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 02, 2019, 10:05:02 AM
Well done top effort from the Kids teacher and parents, Can only imagine some of the budgets / gear the top teams are playing with . :cup:

I know someone who is a robotics teacher at a private school, they have a very successful program, have won quite a few completions around the world and are ranked quite highly, but it requires big $$$ AND sponsorship which he admits would preclude most Schools. That is in the FIRST robotics competition though, the VEX comp that Harkaway went well in, is a cheaper more level playing field, but therefore probably more competitive. Looks like they did very well though, especially for their first attempt.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 02, 2019, 10:08:49 AM
I know someone who is a robotics teacher at a private school, they have a very successful program, have won quite a few completions around the world and are ranked quite highly, but it requires big $$$ AND sponsorship which he admits would preclude most Schools. That is in the FIRST robotics competition though, the VEX comp that Harkaway went well in, is a cheaper more level playing field, but therefore probably more competitive. Looks like they did very well though, especially for their first attempt.

its even better..
Harkaway school has couple hunge kids.. Shit on the most exclusive school in Victoria with their high budget, proper training arenas etc..
Bet some questions were asked there  :cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on May 02, 2019, 12:21:07 PM
It is said that by 2030 robotics will put 800 million people out of work. Might not be my job, might not be your job, but will certainly be someone's job. It will never happen you say. Better take another look. Robots are creeping into everything. Might be small like your Roomba, but lets think big. Multi story buildings, lets put a few bigger Roomba's in there. No need for a team of cleaners now. Mega warehouses all controlled by robots. Just need a guy to load it on the truck. Want a coffee, a proper made coffee. Can have one of them. Just ask the robotic barrister for a latte. Look at how cars are going. Driverless cars. Will never happen. Less than 120 years ago we couldn't fly. So is a driverless car that far fetched? No need for taxi, uber or pizza delivery guy. And you can't take notice of all those that have vested interests in the development of this. After all it is making them rich. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot by not saying my robot will cut your workforce to nothing. It can do the work of 10, no breaks, no sickies, no holidays, no super, no insurance, just works 24 hours a day. Automation, robotics is the best thing since sliced bread. Sure jobs will be created in the industries involved with this, but for how long. Until they create a robot to take over those jobs. And is the Uber driver going to be suitable to fill that job? And then sitting on top of all this is AI. It's artificial, it only can do what we tell it to do. Turns out that isn't quite true. It's been found AI has been doing tasks that it has learnt itself. Not programmed to do, by leaning itself. Some involved in the industry are now saying publicly that we don't really know what we are creating. Bit scary when some of the best minds around are thinking it. Then comes the military. They love it all. Machines they can let loose and do their stuff. If you don't think so, look again, and you only see what they want you to see. They already are well on the way to being able to send in robots to do their dirty work. Drones flown from 1000's of miles away, drones on the ground doing their bit, and soon to a battlefield near you, AI soldiers.
I watch to much si fi crap you say. Once upon a time travel under water was si fi. Flying in the air was si fi. Travel of the earth was si fi. Watching tv was si fi. Driverless car was si fi. Machines doing the work of humans was si fi. Si fi is only an idea for someone to make it happen. All I would like to know, is the terminator really going to look like Arnie.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 02, 2019, 12:39:54 PM
Quote from: corndog
It is said that by 2030 robotics will put 800 million people out of work.

I wouldnt think it be that far off.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 02, 2019, 12:54:36 PM
It is said that by 2030 robotics will put 800 million people out of work....

Just like the decline of manufacturing jobs has been offset by service jobs, I think the losses in jobs to robotics will likely to be largely offset by other industries. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on May 02, 2019, 01:01:39 PM
It is said that by 2030 robotics will put 800 million people out of work. Might not be my job, might not be your job, but will certainly be someone's job. It will never happen you say. Better take another look. Robots are creeping into everything. Might be small like your Roomba, but lets think big. Multi story buildings, lets put a few bigger Roomba's in there. No need for a team of cleaners now. Mega warehouses all controlled by robots. Just need a guy to load it on the truck. Want a coffee, a proper made coffee. Can have one of them. Just ask the robotic barrister for a latte. Look at how cars are going. Driverless cars. Will never happen. Less than 120 years ago we couldn't fly. So is a driverless car that far fetched? No need for taxi, uber or pizza delivery guy. And you can't take notice of all those that have vested interests in the development of this. After all it is making them rich. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot by not saying my robot will cut your workforce to nothing. It can do the work of 10, no breaks, no sickies, no holidays, no super, no insurance, just works 24 hours a day. Automation, robotics is the best thing since sliced bread. Sure jobs will be created in the industries involved with this, but for how long. Until they create a robot to take over those jobs. And is the Uber driver going to be suitable to fill that job? And then sitting on top of all this is AI. It's artificial, it only can do what we tell it to do. Turns out that isn't quite true. It's been found AI has been doing tasks that it has learnt itself. Not programmed to do, by leaning itself. Some involved in the industry are now saying publicly that we don't really know what we are creating. Bit scary when some of the best minds around are thinking it. Then comes the military. They love it all. Machines they can let loose and do their stuff. If you don't think so, look again, and you only see what they want you to see. They already are well on the way to being able to send in robots to do their dirty work. Drones flown from 1000's of miles away, drones on the ground doing their bit, and soon to a battlefield near you, AI soldiers.
I watch to much si fi crap you say. Once upon a time travel under water was si fi. Flying in the air was si fi. Travel of the earth was si fi. Watching tv was si fi. Driverless care was si fi. Machines doing the work of humans was si fi. Si fi is only an idea for someone to make it happen. All I would like to know, is the terminator really going to look like Arnie.
I work with automation every day, in fact I design fully automated systems to do peoples jobs.
Some of what you're saying is not far off. AI absolutely learns, that's the point.

Our company recently bought a tiny little company in Denmark that was doing some intersting work with AI.
They employed 5 or 6 people and had made a few prototype machines for their local market. Was pretty cool stuff, but needed investment.
Our company bought them out and gave them cash and space to grow their ideas and evolve their products.

Now they export all around the world.
They employ about 50 people and will need to employ heaps more to keep up with our demand.
Their parts suppliers have had to employ more people and their steel suppliers have had to move into a bigger building and employ more people to fabricate all of these machines.

Our machines are learning every single day, they are getting better and better at doing that single job that they are built do.
I'm sure there is a bunch of fitters and electrical engineers all around the world that are pumped to be maintaining these awesome machines we build.
Just as there a bunch of extremely low paid unskilled workers all around the world that are pumped they no longer have to dig through contaminated waste, surgical impliments and body parts to earn their few dollars an hour.
Our machines don't care how much it stinks or what diseases are on it, they sort out every single piece of blood stained items hour after hour after hour after hour....

It's not all doom and gloom.

I'm pumped to see a bunch of kids like GG's getting the opportunity to have a red hot go at shaping their future.
It's programs like these that will give young Australians the chance to be just like the Danish guys above in years to come.

Go kids!!!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on May 02, 2019, 06:01:32 PM
Wish there was a robotics thingo' to do the job I did today, Scrub clearing with the brush cutter on the slope around rock retaining walls.
I would happily sit on the verandah and watch.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tombie on May 02, 2019, 09:45:07 PM
And we’re assuming society wants to “work” in an old model.

Keeping to the Sci-Fi references - there’s no income in Star Treks Federation.

After all, the concept of Born, school, work, retire, die isn’t exactly a dream scenario of many!


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on May 03, 2019, 07:36:04 AM
Just like the decline of manufacturing jobs has been offset by service OH&S jobs, I think the losses in jobs to robotics will likely to be largely offset by other industries.

Fixed it  >:D ..................O&H&S, the only growth industry we have left in Australia.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 03, 2019, 09:54:52 AM
Fixed it  >:D ..................O&H&S, the only growth industry we have left in Australia.
yep, amazing how much money is in putting a warning sign on things... like a hot tap saying "HOT WATER WILL BURN YOU" or similar.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on May 03, 2019, 10:22:04 AM
RIP, Chewie...  :'(

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-03/chewbacca-actor-peter-mayhew-dies/11076176 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-03/chewbacca-actor-peter-mayhew-dies/11076176)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 03, 2019, 11:33:41 AM
RIP, Chewie...  :'(

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-03/chewbacca-actor-peter-mayhew-dies/11076176 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-03/chewbacca-actor-peter-mayhew-dies/11076176)
"WAGRRRRWWGAHHHHWWWRRGGAWWWWWWRR."
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rodt on May 03, 2019, 12:26:00 PM
yep, amazing how much money is in putting a warning sign on things... like a hot tap saying "HOT WATER WILL BURN YOU" or similar.
Got f*** all to do with OH&S. Has come about due to people suing for ridiculous things such as getting burnt by hot water from a hot water tap. Blame the legal system 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on May 04, 2019, 01:36:19 PM
https://www.9news.com.au/world/bubonic-plague-kills-two-in-mongolia/216069de-6e1d-4cb1-9fd2-c7a27cbe2664 (https://www.9news.com.au/world/bubonic-plague-kills-two-in-mongolia/216069de-6e1d-4cb1-9fd2-c7a27cbe2664)

A plane has been quarantined after pregnant woman and her husband were killed by the bubonic plague in Mongolia.

Mongolian authorities confirmed the couple from the Ulgii district were infected with the plague after illegally eating a marmot.

The 38-year-old man died on April 27, while his wife succumbed to the black death three days later.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: krisandkev on May 07, 2019, 06:09:03 AM
OMG. Wanted to watch the early news and it is all about some rich people who have had a baby this morning! Apparently it is a huge news story??  I suppose it is a good news story for a change.  But what is the boy's name going to be?  Care factor  :P  Kevin
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on May 07, 2019, 06:50:12 AM
OMG. Wanted to watch the early news and it is all about some rich people who have had a baby this morning! Apparently it is a huge news story??  I suppose it is a good news story for a change.  But what is the boy's name going to be?  Care factor  :P  Kevin

But what is the boy's name going to be?.........Privileged.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on May 07, 2019, 11:45:41 AM
But what is the boy's name going to be?.........Privileged.

And the child had a choice?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on May 07, 2019, 12:11:36 PM
And the child had a choice?

Nope...just stating a fact.  Dont think he will want for much in his life. Wouldn't matter if his name was Fred or Luigi....he,s to be raised in a very privileged family.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: doc evil on May 07, 2019, 12:26:00 PM
Nope...just stating a fact.  Dont think he will want for much in his life. Wouldn't matter if his name was Fred or Luigi....he,s to be raised in a very privileged family.
by very privileged nannies.......
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on May 07, 2019, 12:42:49 PM
Well as of thirty minutes ago my third grandson entered the world, don't think we will make the news tonite but I don't give a crap,  I'm as happy as.

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on May 07, 2019, 01:01:50 PM
Well as of thirty minutes ago my third grandson entered the world, don't think we will make the news tonite but I don't give a crap,  I'm as happy as.

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Congratulations.  Hope all is well..  You might have to have a celebratory drink or two.....
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on May 07, 2019, 01:04:32 PM
Well as of thirty minutes ago my third grandson entered the world, don't think we will make the news tonite but I don't give a crap,  I'm as happy as.

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Congratulations Macca, hope mum and bulbs are well. The circle of life is completed once again.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on May 07, 2019, 01:08:23 PM
Thanks guys, yeah they're both fine, little bit prem but all's good

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on May 07, 2019, 01:13:05 PM
Thanks guys, yeah they're both fine, little bit prem but all's good

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on May 07, 2019, 02:34:01 PM
Congratulations Nan & Poppy Mac .  New little camping buddy to pass on knowledge to  :cup: :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on May 07, 2019, 03:05:13 PM
Thanks edz, another name to go the back the ski boat which is called "Poppy", the other two love the ski biscuit

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Troopy_03 on May 07, 2019, 05:50:57 PM
Congratulations macca, mrs macca, and the proud mum and dad. Bit special when you get grand kids eh?  ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on May 07, 2019, 06:00:25 PM
Nope...just stating a fact.  Dont think he will want for much in his life. Wouldn't matter if his name was Fred or Luigi....he,s to be raised in a very privileged family.
more power to him / them....he's hardly alone in that boat though, plenty of millionaires and billionaires out there with privileged kids, yet they won't cop the media spotlight this kid will be put under throughout his life
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on May 07, 2019, 06:27:18 PM
more power to him them....he's hardly alone in that boat though, plenty of millionaires and billionaires out there with privileged kids, yet they won't cop the media spotlight this kid will be put under throughout his life

Yep you don't choose your parents, if you are lucky enough to be born into a wealthy or privileged family good luck to you, but I certainly wouldn't want to be put under the scrutiny the royals or many wealthy people are. If he takes after his Ol man I think he'll be alright.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 07, 2019, 06:37:42 PM
In reality, being born here in Australia means we are all pretty privileged, we now have the highest median wealth per person in the world. https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-23/australia-tops-median-wealth-per-adult-list/10518082 I think too often we focus on what we don't have as opposed to what we do.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on May 07, 2019, 06:56:48 PM
more power to him them....he's hardly alone in that boat though, plenty of millionaires and billionaires out there with privileged kids, yet they won't cop the media spotlight this kid will be put under throughout his life
Yep, and rich and privileged doesn’t necessarily guarantee a happy life either.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on May 08, 2019, 09:18:15 AM
Well as of thirty minutes ago my third grandson entered the world,

Sorry, macca, a day late but congratulations! :D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: doc evil on May 08, 2019, 09:25:49 AM
Sorry, macca, a day late but congratulations! :D

What Fizzie said..........Congrats  :cheers:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on May 08, 2019, 10:17:10 AM
The Rugby Australia boss looks like a real bundle of laughs......the Adams Family takes over Rugby?
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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on May 08, 2019, 10:54:10 AM
Thats a bloke .... Right !   :-\
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on May 08, 2019, 11:09:48 AM
Thats a bloke .... Right !   :-\
We can’t assume his gender


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on May 08, 2019, 11:25:01 AM
We can’t assume his ITS gender


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Fixed.   :angel:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: macca on May 08, 2019, 12:48:41 PM
Sorry, macca, a day late but congratulations! :D
What Fizzie said..........Congrats  :cheers:
Thanks fellas, went and met him last nite, all three of them together for the first time. After last weekend it unbelievable how your outlook on life can change in a couple of days

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on May 08, 2019, 03:32:50 PM
Following on from talking about elections t'other day, just saw reference to this article:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/01/preferences-matter-for-senate-voting-heres-how-to-make-your-election-vote-count (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/01/preferences-matter-for-senate-voting-heres-how-to-make-your-election-vote-count)

Make sure you fill your Senate paper out all the way across! :o
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rodt on May 08, 2019, 04:07:13 PM
Following on from talking about elections t'other day, just saw reference to this article:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/01/preferences-matter-for-senate-voting-heres-how-to-make-your-election-vote-count (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/01/preferences-matter-for-senate-voting-heres-how-to-make-your-election-vote-count)

Make sure you fill your Senate paper out all the way across! :o
Lot of discussions around about not just going across the top (1-6) / party rather make sure you go under the line and select 1-12 on who you actually want. If just along the top then the party decides who gets the preferences as opposed to you dictating what preferences you want.

I think this is the smart way to go as it does give you individual choice across a lot of people rather than just the party
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on May 08, 2019, 06:38:11 PM
Voted today. 1-12 below the line


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 08, 2019, 07:30:21 PM
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/folau-a-victim-of-racism-anthony-mundine-says-065805360.html

The outrage brigade are going to implode, they are either not going to be able to jump on the racist labelling bandwagon this time, or have to call themselves racist  ;D

Never thought I would agree with Mundine but this bit doesn't seem too far off of the mark “There've been guys out there been done for drugs, assaults, yet he can't express his mind?"
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on May 08, 2019, 07:40:00 PM
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/folau-a-victim-of-racism-anthony-mundine-says-065805360.html

The outrage brigade are going to implode, they are either not going to be able to jump un the racist labelling bandwagon this time of have to call themselves racist  ;D

Never thought I would agree with Mundine but this bit doesn't seem too far off of the mark “There've been guys out there been done for drugs, assaults, yet he can't express his mind?"
Nah, i reckon it’s because of anti-semiticism, nothing to do with race... seems just as plausible to me  ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on May 08, 2019, 08:38:19 PM
What a 2 faced prick, it's ok to dish it out and tell 1/2 truths but not ok to point out the full story, you brought your mother into the politics, what else did you expect.And I would say the same about any other polly   >:( >:( >:(
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-08/federal-election-analysis-bill-shorten-politics-becomes-personal/11091924 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-08/federal-election-analysis-bill-shorten-politics-becomes-personal/11091924)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on May 08, 2019, 11:44:28 PM
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/folau-a-victim-of-racism-anthony-mundine-says-065805360.html

The outrage brigade are going to implode, they are either not going to be able to jump on the racist labelling bandwagon this time, or have to call themselves racist  ;D

Never thought I would agree with Mundine but this bit doesn't seem too far off of the mark “There've been guys out there been done for drugs, assaults, yet he can't express his mind?"
The whole thing is nonsense. If you don't believe in a biblical hell, how on earth could you possibly be offended by Israel's social  media posts..? I haven't heard any bleating from the drunks, adulterers, atheists, liars thieves etc that they have been phobia-ed against.... Are the gays really that special...?
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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: bkim on May 09, 2019, 01:17:07 AM
What a 2 faced prick, it's ok to dish it out and tell 1/2 truths but not ok to point out the full story, you brought your mother into the politics, what else did you expect.And I would say the same about any other polly   >:( >:( >:(
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-08/federal-election-analysis-bill-shorten-politics-becomes-personal/11091924 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-08/federal-election-analysis-bill-shorten-politics-becomes-personal/11091924)

I think if you care to do a bit of research, you will find he has given the full version on previous occasions. There are no shortage of two faced pricks on all sides of politics, I have dealt on behalf of friends of mine, with some newspaper reporters who could never even attain the high standard of being two faced pricks! they were much lower than that!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on May 09, 2019, 06:45:46 AM
The whole thing is nonsense. If you don't believe in a biblical hell, how on earth could you possibly be offended by Israel's social  media posts..? I haven't heard any bleating from the drunks, adulterers, atheists, liars thieves etc that they have been phobia-ed against.... Are the gays really that special...?
Dammit, let me have a bottle or two of rum and get really offended.....



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i was writing pretty much the same thing lastnight and then dinner got served up, so never got around to posting it....lol...mostly it’s a bunch of people pretending to be offended just to climb aboard the outrage train, people need to harden up and ignore this social media life they are living in.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on May 09, 2019, 07:41:42 AM
i was writing pretty much the same thing lastnight and then dinner got served up, so never got around to posting it....lol...mostly it’s a bunch of people pretending to be offended just to climb aboard the outrage train, people need to harden up and ignore this social media life they are living in.

I stated similar to a close rellie the other day. The majority of people being "Offended" are done so by "Perceived Offences".
"Ooh, look. He/She/It said that. I think a certain minority will be offended by that so, I must have to be, too!"

The aforementioned, close rellie had a visitor, who was accompanied by her daughter. The daughter, upon entering the rellie's house, started carrying on about a cow hide rug on the lounge room floor. When the rellie asked what the problem was, the mother in formed her that her daughter was a "Vegan and Animal Activist."

"Fair enough" you may think but, this girl was 8 years old! ??? ??? ???

I may be wrong here but, does an 8 year old have the knowledge and the mental capability to disseminate the social, financial, agricultural, scientific et cetera, information involved in these matters?

The terms "Grooming" and "Brainwashing" spring into mind here.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tedota on May 09, 2019, 09:51:55 AM
And now they want Mothers day changed because it might offend some people with all this political correctness.
 I hate this world sometimes
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on May 09, 2019, 09:59:47 AM
The whole thing is nonsense. If you don't believe in a biblical hell, how on earth could you possibly be offended by Israel's social  media posts..? I haven't heard any bleating from the drunks, adulterers, atheists, liars thieves etc that they have been phobia-ed against.... Are the gays really that special...?
Dammit, let me have a bottle or two of rum and get really offended.....



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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on May 09, 2019, 11:48:25 AM
anyone heading out to Lake Eyre ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-09/lake-eyre-is-a-wild-river-system-left-to-run-its-course/11035506 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-09/lake-eyre-is-a-wild-river-system-left-to-run-its-course/11035506)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on May 09, 2019, 11:58:02 AM
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The whole thing is nonsense. If you don't believe in a biblical hell, how on earth could you possibly be offended by Israel's social  media posts..? I haven't heard any bleating from the drunks, adulterers, atheists, liars thieves etc that they have been phobia-ed against.... Are the gays really that special...?
Dammit, let me have a bottle or two of rum and get really offended.....

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on May 09, 2019, 06:55:28 PM
The whole thing is nonsense. If you don't believe in a biblical hell, how on earth could you possibly be offended by Israel's social  media posts..? I haven't heard any bleating from the drunks, adulterers, atheists, liars thieves etc that they have been phobia-ed against.... Are the gays really that special...?
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Mate I am the same.  For this to be homophobic or hate speech you have to answer yes to drunkards, adulterers, liars, atheists, thieves, fornicators or idolaters going to hell is hate speech or a phobia? 

Not to mention he said this on his own page as a Christian lay minister with no reference to Rugby Union. 

It just shows how out of touch AR is with Rugby Union and why we are a performance slump. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 09, 2019, 06:58:51 PM
No more mothers day ...
'

A Melbourne primary school will host an Appreciation Stall in place of traditional Mother’s Day celebrations in the name of inclusivity and diversity.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/melbourne-school-renames-mothers-day-stall-021722025.html

****in stupid ****ed up people in this world.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: #jonesy on May 09, 2019, 07:33:33 PM
No more mothers day ...
'

A Melbourne primary school will host an Appreciation Stall in place of traditional Mother’s Day celebrations in the name of inclusivity and diversity.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/melbourne-school-renames-mothers-day-stall-021722025.html

****in stupid ****ed up people in this world.
Saw that on the news, the principal said that it is because some people might be offended. What about all the other mums who are now possibly offended because they no longer have a day?
At Cubs last night we did Mother's Day night or your special person. Not to be PC, but so the kids don't miss out for  any different families or the ones where Mum is working. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 09, 2019, 07:39:09 PM
Quote from: #jonesy
What about all the other mums who are now possibly offended because they no longer have a day?
we have a winner

As someone said on the TV... theres a day for everyone these days, and everyone of those days "OFFENDS" someone... define: offends.. most of them probably couldnt give a flying fook!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on May 09, 2019, 08:41:49 PM
April 1st should now become The Day Of The Offended as most of them are fools for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on May 09, 2019, 09:22:54 PM
Reckon Steve Hughes nails it.... And this was 4 years ago. It's worse now.

https://youtu.be/ceS_jkKjIgo



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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on May 09, 2019, 09:47:27 PM
Mark Latham has made a great speech as a NSW senator
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/mark-latham-unleashes-in-maiden-speech-how-did-our-nation-come-to-this/news-story/a432539f6513a9a119bba178acae408f (https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/mark-latham-unleashes-in-maiden-speech-how-did-our-nation-come-to-this/news-story/a432539f6513a9a119bba178acae408f)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 09, 2019, 09:59:34 PM
Reckon Steve Hughes nails it....
always loved his work ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on May 09, 2019, 10:20:05 PM
Ohh dear https://www.9news.com.au/national/news-nsw-fake-sydney-darecare-defrauded-millions-police/6f06cdbc-00b1-4095-afaf-41e1dee4b7f4 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/news-nsw-fake-sydney-darecare-defrauded-millions-police/6f06cdbc-00b1-4095-afaf-41e1dee4b7f4)      Nice aussies  doing it for themselves ... at our expense . Dumb government departments.. Bet they had insiders there too .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on May 10, 2019, 06:42:37 AM
Ohh dear https://www.9news.com.au/national/news-nsw-fake-sydney-darecare-defrauded-millions-police/6f06cdbc-00b1-4095-afaf-41e1dee4b7f4 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/news-nsw-fake-sydney-darecare-defrauded-millions-police/6f06cdbc-00b1-4095-afaf-41e1dee4b7f4)      Nice aussies  doing it for themselves ... at our expense . Dumb government departments.. Bet they had insiders there too .
there’s plenty of people out there defrauding the country with these family daycare set ups, they won’t be the only ones getting investigated
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 10, 2019, 08:09:49 AM
there’s plenty of people out there defrauding the country with these family daycare set ups, they won’t be the only ones getting investigated

Yeah, not new either. I remember reading reports that it wasn't uncommon in certain groups in western Sydney, especially with large families. Basically 2 families enrol their kids in each others family day care and claim the associated government subsidies, but then just look after their own kids.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on May 10, 2019, 09:02:00 AM
Yeah, not new either. I remember reading reports that it wasn't uncommon in certain groups in western Sydney, especially with large families. Basically 2 families enrol their kids in each others family day care and claim the associated government subsidies, but then just look after their own kids.
I believe these ones are from the same “certain groups”..... ;)
The ring leader came here on a protection visa.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 10, 2019, 09:49:00 AM
I believe these ones are from the same “certain groups”..... ;)
The ring leader came here on a protection visa.

Just actually watched the footage linked, the headwear would seem to suggest your belief is correct!. Did they really do the raids in riot gear though? I guess better to be safe than sorry but seems like a tad overkill. This group also seem to have gone to the next level of just making up children which will be much easier to prove fraud than the practice that I had heard of earlier.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on May 10, 2019, 11:54:20 AM
Just actually watched the footage linked, the headwear would seem to suggest your belief is correct!. Did they really do the raids in riot gear though? I guess better to be safe than sorry but seems like a tad overkill. This group also seem to have gone to the next level of just making up children which will be much easier to prove fraud than the practice that I had heard of earlier.
That’s how all search warrants are done


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 10, 2019, 07:41:41 PM
Quote from: Pete79
I believe these ones are from the same “certain groups”..... ;)
The ring leader came here on a protection visa.
Usually new aussies.. They know our laws are piss weak and at worst they will get a slap on the wrist, and come out with a free university degree.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 10, 2019, 09:09:23 PM
That’s how all search warrants are done

I just have the image in my head of some little kiddies all just sitting down for morning tea when in bursts a dozen coppers locked and loaded in riot gear, likely wasn't that way but just the way it played out in my head.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on May 11, 2019, 06:03:20 AM
I just have the image in my head of some little kiddies all just sitting down for morning tea when in bursts a dozen coppers locked and loaded in riot gear, likely wasn't that way but just the way it played out in my head.
Unfortunately after the death of Bill Crews in a search warrant, everything changed with how search warrants are conducted. Basically it’s better to be safe then sorry.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on May 11, 2019, 02:58:04 PM
Did they really do the raids in riot gear though?

I believe it's policy that cops now wear their "flak jackets" all the time that they're on duty.

We've had Water Police come along to VMR meetings, & also seen them at Council presentation days, wearing jacket & full gear!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on May 11, 2019, 03:16:36 PM
Doing the work they do, I'd be wearing a flak jacket too. In this day and age you just don't know what you are going to come up against.
Everybody has the right to go home at the end of a day's work.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on May 13, 2019, 11:22:52 PM
RIP Doris Day, Died age 97 . Thank you  for the Movies and Music .
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 14, 2019, 12:12:05 PM
Quote from: edz
RIP Doris Day, Died age 97 . Thank you  for the Movies and Music .
strange i thought she had died years ago :(
Not many from the 'golden' era left...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on May 16, 2019, 07:52:24 PM
Ex Prime Minister Bob Hawke has died .. RIP .
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8mdHO2_Zo8
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on May 16, 2019, 08:01:27 PM
Edz,
Just come up in my feed.
Sheeeesh.

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on May 16, 2019, 08:03:31 PM
Maybe deep down even Bob couldn’t stand to see Bill Shorten become PM.



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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: plusnq on May 16, 2019, 08:05:19 PM
Maybe deep down even Bob couldn’t stand to see Bill Shorten become PM.



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That’s a bit mean and I don’t even like Bill Shorten 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 16, 2019, 08:07:37 PM
Quote from: edz
Ex Prime Minister Bob Hawke has died .. RIP .
knew shortarse was short on votes... going for the sympathy vote.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on May 16, 2019, 08:13:53 PM
knew shortarse was short on votes... going for the sympathy vote.
You know, at the first thought, I thought the same kinda thing.
The unwashed lefties will.
I'll sit back now and  wait for the incoming.
Don't get me wrong, I actually voted for Bob.
BS will milk it.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 16, 2019, 08:43:52 PM
That’s a bit mean and I don’t even like Bill Shorten 😂😂😂

Does anyone? There will be some who say they do purely because they are rusted on Labor voter's. That's why we have always seen Shorten with others throughout the campaign, it's about "the team" and ScoMo has mostly been by himself to try and highlight the choice for PM is either him or Shorten.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 16, 2019, 09:16:21 PM
Sad thing is people should not vote for the person... which the papers and TV will all have people doing.

if your dumb enough to Vote for these parasites you should be voting for the party
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on May 16, 2019, 09:17:53 PM
ScoMo has mostly been by himself to try and highlight the choice for PM is either him or Shorten.
Rudd turned our elections into an American style race for office.
Made it a popularity contest.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on May 16, 2019, 10:09:04 PM
Does anyone? There will be some who say they do purely because they are rusted on Labor voter's. That's why we have always seen Shorten with others throughout the campaign, it's about "the team" and ScoMo has mostly been by himself to try and highlight the choice for PM is either him or Shorten.

Listening to the speak it is easy to hear the difference, one sounds interested and 'motivational' to other just sounds he is given repetitive monotone cue cards.  Very hard to be interested in voting for him
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on May 16, 2019, 10:59:08 PM
Listening to the speak it is easy to hear the difference, one sounds interested and 'motivational' to other just sounds he is given repetitive monotone cue cards.  Very hard to be interested in voting for him
I know what you mean, it’s just a boring continuous loop; “he’ll tax you more, he’ll tax you more, he’ll tax you more, he’ll tax you more, he’ll tax you more, he’ll tax you more”...... very hard to get interested indeed... ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rodt on May 17, 2019, 07:02:46 AM
In listening to the Hawke tributes I was surprised to hear that he is the only Labor PM to win two elections. If the polls are right then Bill will get in.

If this happens he will get thrown out in a landslide in the next election and then the Libs will be assured of at least the next two terms after that. After being a Labor voter my whole life I am one of the ones who will be switching this election as I am now no longer considered to be a hard working Australian (ie: I have an investment property, a SMSF with shares that provide franking credits) rather a fat cat. Notwithstanding the weight issue I am definitely a dog not a cat  ;D

Plenty of references to this being a popularity contest election and to be honest I don't mind that as you can at least get a feel for the honesty and integrity of the person who will be running the show.

See what happens Saturday.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on May 17, 2019, 07:26:07 AM
Plenty of references to this being a popularity contest election and to be honest I don't mind that as you can at least get a feel for the honesty and integrity of the person who will be running the show.

See what happens Saturday.
Only problem is the person running the show is not the one you’re being asked to vote for.

Howard was the last leader that actually lead, all the rest have just tried to win the popularity contest. That’s in the polls and in their cabinet.

I voted for Turnbull because I wanted Turnbull, the guy in the leather jacket that said he wanted to do all of the progressive things he so passionately said he believed in. Unfortunately I voted for Turnbull, but I actually got Abbott stopping all of those progressive things from ever happening.

These days I don’t get sucked into their “vote for me” lies. We should all look behind the person that is standing in front of the camera and see who is actually going to be controlling everything.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on May 17, 2019, 08:40:30 AM
the only vote of any value tomorrow will be the one for the democracy sausage. Even if you hate going to the polling booth, buy a sausage on bread and support your local community.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rodt on May 17, 2019, 09:01:43 AM

These days I don’t get sucked into their “vote for me” lies. We should all look behind the person that is standing in front of the camera and see who is actually going to be controlling everything.

And this is what I mean by seeing who is at the front ie: are they going to run the show or be dictated by the behind the scenes people. I get a good feel from one and not the other and I will be voting accordingly. Everyone has their own views and process on how they come to a decision so hopefully they make an informed one and don't just throw it away.

I am convinced that the senate will be where the decision will really matter and we all have a lot more direct influence there if we vote under the line and not take the easy above the line option. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 17, 2019, 09:17:07 AM
In listening to the Hawke tributes I was surprised to hear that he is the only Labor PM to win two elections. If the polls are right then Bill will get in.

If this happens he will get thrown out in a landslide in the next election and then the Libs will be assured of at least the next two terms after that. After being a Labor voter my whole life I am one of the ones who will be switching this election as I am now no longer considered to be a hard working Australian (ie: I have an investment property, a SMSF with shares that provide franking credits) rather a fat cat. Notwithstanding the weight issue I am definitely a dog not a cat  ;D

Plenty of references to this being a popularity contest election and to be honest I don't mind that as you can at least get a feel for the honesty and integrity of the person who will be running the show.

See what happens Saturday.
I have thought for sometime that Labor will get up tomorrow (polls have been predicting this for a while) but they might only be a one term government. The economy is cooling a trade war will amplify this and negative gearing changes could accelerate the housing market decline significantly (more of a perception than policy issue). When you run on a platform of wages growth but the economy is struggling it's going to be near impossible to deliver meaningful change.

Couple this with a leader that is quite unpopular, (and due Rudds changes, will be pretty much impossible to swap for someone else) a campaign from the likes of Get Up this time that may well remove some of the more divisive members from the Liberal Party, the Liberals leadership issue will be a thing of the past and them likely just being able to run on a "me too" platform on climate change effectively nullifying the issue to a some extent.

I think in hindsight that this one might be looked back on as a good one to lose from the Coalition as it will largely allow it to draw a line the past and regroup for the future.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on May 17, 2019, 10:14:33 AM
A lot of people seem to believe we are the same as America and elect a Prime Minister and not a Party.   As we elect a Party, the Party can if they see fit for the Party, change leaders.  Obviously some saw Abbott too unpopular for various reasons and changed to Turnbull.  The Party then saw Turnbull for what he is and punted him.  Manner still are asking why but you only have to look at his behaviour since being punted to know why.   Morrison seems to be doing a pretty good job of the Coalition at present. 

On the side, well who can forget the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd cluster.   And remember Shorten was behind each of them. 

Hypothesising -  If Labor loses, will Shorten live on or will the Albonese have the numbers to take over.  In a way a Shorten has done a good job of trying to hold Labor together but I feel if Labor loses he wont be able to control the internal faction.   Now wont that be a different style of Labor. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Merts on May 17, 2019, 10:18:26 AM
Hypothesising -  If Labor loses, will Shorten live on or will the Albonese have the numbers to take over.  In a way a Shorten has done a good job of trying to hold Labor together but I feel if Labor loses he wont be able to control the internal faction.   Now wont that be a different style of Labor.

Would you care to hypothesise about what will happen to Morrison should the LNP lose on Saturday?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 17, 2019, 10:19:52 AM
the only vote of any value tomorrow will be the one for the democracy sausage. Even if you hate going to the polling booth, buy a sausage on bread and support your local community.
that depends if it is onions first or sausage...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 17, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Would you care to hypothesise about what will happen to Morrison should the LNP lose on Saturday?

I would think he will stay on, only been in the job a reasonably short time, is reasonably popular (for a Pollie) and no one screams out as being a better alternative.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 17, 2019, 11:41:01 AM
Quote from: tryagain
...and no one screams out as being a better alternative.

nobody screams out as a leader at all in any party
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 17, 2019, 12:07:35 PM
Hypothesising -  If Labor loses, will Shorten live on or will the Albonese have the numbers to take over.  In a way a Shorten has done a good job of trying to hold Labor together but I feel if Labor loses he wont be able to control the internal faction.   Now wont that be a different style of Labor.

After two losses, his time would surely be up, I don't know that Albo would be a shoe in though, I think Plibersek would be the more likely option.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on May 17, 2019, 12:10:22 PM
nobody screams out as a leader at all in any party

I'm definitely NOT a party biased voter, but I thought Julie Bishop would have been a good Prime Minister.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 17, 2019, 12:13:45 PM
I'm definitely NOT a party biased voter, but I thought Julie Bishop would have been a good Prime Minister.

NSFW. norty words.. but nail on head

https://scontent.fmel8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60785686_10158403444449278_3336081367170547712_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fmel8-1.fna&oh=7168d5602622aae557f30eab75f251bf&oe=5D683C1E (https://scontent.fmel8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60785686_10158403444449278_3336081367170547712_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fmel8-1.fna&oh=7168d5602622aae557f30eab75f251bf&oe=5D683C1E)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on May 17, 2019, 12:23:25 PM
Just heard on the wireless that as of this morning 4,000,000 Australians had already voted at pre-polling booths. Up from 2.4m at the same time last federal election. A further 1.4m had enrolled for postal voting.

Pre-polls and postal votes have decimated an Austrailian tradition of charity groups being able to earn a little income from a stall at the polling booths  >:(

Our schools P&C used to earn around $3000 from an election day BBQ. For every election (state, fed, & local) over the last 6 years we have seen about a 20% drop every election in polling booth attendance. Tomorrow we are hopeful that we may break $500  :'( I fear this will be our last one..............
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 17, 2019, 12:33:02 PM
Just heard on the wireless

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on May 17, 2019, 12:40:39 PM
Would you care to hypothesise about what will happen to Morrison should the LNP lose on Saturday?

I think he will stay on as their leader.  The main push was to rid Turnbull  and with the election his faithful resigned so that problem was cleared.     
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on May 17, 2019, 12:44:16 PM
Just heard on the wireless that as of this morning 4,000,000 Australians had already voted at pre-polling booths. Up from 2.4m at the same time last federal election. A further 1.4m had enrolled for postal voting.

Pre-polls and postal votes have decimated an Austrailian tradition of charity groups being able to earn a little income from a stall at the polling booths  >:(

Our schools P&C used to earn around $3000 from an election day BBQ. For every election (state, fed, & local) over the last 6 years we have seen about a 20% drop every election in polling booth attendance. Tomorrow we are hopeful that we may break $500  :'( I fear this will be our last one..............
can’t say I recall seeing them there at 5.30p.m doing the bbq when we usually wander up to vote...I voted last weekend myself this time around.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on May 17, 2019, 01:00:40 PM
A lot of people seem to believe we are the same as America and elect a Prime Minister and not a Party.   As we elect a Party, the Party can if they see fit for the Party, change leaders.
A lot of politicians work very hard to make Australians think it’s like the American system. Especially when the big boss keeps saying “If you vote for me you get me. If you vote for him you get him”...???

Shouldn’t he be saying “if you vote for me you get US, all of US”?

And I especially like the way you describe one sides leadership disaster so calmly and the other side so viciously... ;D
Same types of assassinations, done with the same secrete deals in the same offices for the same political reasons, just wearing different coloured ties.  And none of them where for the betterment of our nation.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on May 17, 2019, 01:09:17 PM
can’t say I recall seeing them there at 5.30p.m doing the bbq when we usually wander up to vote...I voted last weekend myself this time around.

Point taken
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 17, 2019, 01:12:48 PM
Quote from: Pete79
And none of them where for the betterment of our nation.
this... for decades sadly.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rodt on May 17, 2019, 02:05:20 PM
Especially when the big boss keeps saying “If you vote for me you get me. If you vote for him you get him”...???

I reckon this was worked out a while ago that this is the best strategy to get them across the line

Only one maybe two sleeps to go and on a positive side it was an absolute pleasure to not have Clive's face all over my tv last night  :cup:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: edz on May 17, 2019, 02:11:06 PM
Language language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJB63ASDSes   ...    ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: doc evil on May 17, 2019, 02:12:09 PM
Just heard on the wireless that as of this morning 4,000,000 Australians had already voted at pre-polling booths. Up from 2.4m at the same time last federal election. A further 1.4m had enrolled for postal voting.

Pre-polls and postal votes have decimated an Austrailian tradition of charity groups being able to earn a little income from a stall at the polling booths  >:(

Our schools P&C used to earn around $3000 from an election day BBQ. For every election (state, fed, & local) over the last 6 years we have seen about a 20% drop every election in polling booth attendance. Tomorrow we are hopeful that we may break $500  :'( I fear this will be our last one..............

I pre voted............well postal vote anyways. Work in Perth, Live in QLD, it's easier for me if I'm away.
If I'm home, we wander down to the school and partake of the fare available.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on May 17, 2019, 02:36:27 PM
Point taken
don’t get me wrong, i’d likely buy something if they were there cooking, but usually i specifically go and vote later in the day as I hate lining up to vote...normally walk straight in and vote and leave in a few minutes all up.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: plusnq on May 17, 2019, 03:06:35 PM
Folau has been sacked.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: dogbox on May 17, 2019, 03:30:38 PM
Folau has been sacked.

I hope they come down as hard on all the others in future that bring the game into disrepute or post garbage on social media or it will look like a sponsor is running the show.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on May 17, 2019, 03:38:52 PM
Language language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJB63ASDSes   ...    ;D ;D

good find
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on May 17, 2019, 05:54:10 PM
I hope they come down as hard on all the others in future that bring the game into disrepute or post garbage on social media or it will look like a sponsor is running the show.

I guess it is no longer the game played in Heaven

https://www.theroar.com.au/2014/12/22/rugby-truly-is-the-game-they-play-in-heaven/

For more than a hundred years rugby union has grown in leaps and bounds as a worldwide game. Since embracing professionalism, it has carved its essence in the hearts of countless people all over the world.

In 2011 rugby found it’s way into my own soul and hasn’t let go since.

We call it the game they play in Heaven.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on May 17, 2019, 07:44:27 PM
Especially when the big boss keeps saying “If you vote for me you get me. If you vote for him you get him”...??
Shouldn’t he be saying “if you vote for me you get US, all of US”?



Could not agree more, a vote for the lefties and you are guaranteed to not only get Bill but also you will get all of his mates including the union riffraff running the country.

I say that as someone who supports the fundamental object of the union but also has had an inside look at the influence that they can hold over a government including the threats they can portray on public servants when "they don't listen".
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: glenm64 on May 17, 2019, 08:12:41 PM
Could not agree more, a vote for the lefties and you are guaranteed to not only get Bill but also you will get all of his mates including the union riffraff running the country.

I say that as someone who supports the fundamental object of the union but also has had an inside look at the influence that they can hold over a government including the threats they can portray on public servants when "they don't listen".
If the union has such a hold over Labor governments then Fair Work would have been stacked to get the results unions want, the ABBC would have been completely done away with etc, etc. Doesnt work like that. If you were making a business case for the money unions put in to Labor vs divide ends paid, you would be looking else where to invest your money. We have nearly as many enemies within Labor as the Libs. Unfortunately in politics we dont have many options. The Greens are actually more worker friendly than Labor IMO, but they have a few other unworkable policies that arent feasible ATM.

Cheers Glen

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on May 18, 2019, 05:23:37 PM
Mundine the clown at it again.
Racist, you're the racist fool Choc.
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/rugby/news/anthony-mundine-talks-racism-and-fraser-anning-in-israel-folau-reaction/f6sd79zzp8vp1s4waj19yqqz4

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on May 18, 2019, 05:31:59 PM
Mundine the clown at it again.
Racist, you're the racist fool Choc.
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/rugby/news/anthony-mundine-talks-racism-and-fraser-anning-in-israel-folau-reaction/f6sd79zzp8vp1s4waj19yqqz4

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Why did you waste the bandwidth John  ::) ::) ::) ::)    ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Hairs on May 18, 2019, 05:36:14 PM
Why did you waste the bandwidth John  ::) ::) ::) ::)    ;D
Ehehehe,
 
Sorry :(

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on May 20, 2019, 10:36:08 AM
I hope they come down as hard on all the others in future that bring the game into disrepute or post garbage on social media or it will look like a sponsor is running the show.
Yep. They'll have to be cracking down on everything now or they will look quite stupid.

Inreresting article puts it in perspective.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/an-abhorrent-post-but-proverbial-folau-death-penalty-a-step-too-far-20190510-p51lz0.html(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190520/1241dbc2502a6453dbff3bf76aba944e.jpg)

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on May 20, 2019, 11:05:28 AM
Yep. They'll have to be cracking down on everything now or they will look quite stupid.

Inreresting article puts it in perspective.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/an-abhorrent-post-but-proverbial-folau-death-penalty-a-step-too-far-20190510-p51lz0.html(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190520/1241dbc2502a6453dbff3bf76aba944e.jpg)

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Once described as the Game Played in Heaven.   Looks like they have a new Home Ground.   
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: D4D on May 20, 2019, 11:17:56 AM
It's all in the data you just need to mine it. If you have a big enough and relevant data source you can predict the future accurately.
https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/how-data-scientist-bela-stantic-predicted-the-coalitions-surprise-election-win/news-story/69f50b42a5684e8c00a483eb76f2a3f0 (https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/how-data-scientist-bela-stantic-predicted-the-coalitions-surprise-election-win/news-story/69f50b42a5684e8c00a483eb76f2a3f0)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on May 22, 2019, 09:08:44 PM
A young tourist has spoken out over a photo that emerged of her sitting in croc-infested waters at a notorious crossing in the Northern Territory.
Lauren French, 25, from Coffs Harbour in NSW, was branded “an idiot” for nonchalantly sitting on Cahills Crossing in the Kakadu National Park on May 11.

While the area is heavily sign posted warning visitors of the dangers present, Ms French told Yahoo News Australia that the large crocodile population wasn’t immediately apparent to her.

“Everyone keeps saying ‘didn’t you see the signs?’ Yes [I did] but everywhere has signs up here,” she said.
“I’m surprised people’s pools don’t have caution signs.”

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 https://au.news.yahoo.com/cahills-crossing-tourist-responds-to-photo-at-croc-crossing-021534907.html (https://au.news.yahoo.com/cahills-crossing-tourist-responds-to-photo-at-croc-crossing-021534907.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on May 22, 2019, 09:12:40 PM
You can't educate mugs
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on May 22, 2019, 09:27:55 PM
I agree with her statement though, " I'm suprised people's pools don't have caution signs"

Now there's an idea that the nanny state brigade can run with. We can place it just next to the resuscitation sign and the hazmat advisory sign warning on chlorine risks.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: glenm64 on May 22, 2019, 10:10:20 PM
The "nanny state" has been brought about by the modern mind set of " I want compensation for my own stupidity".


Cheers Glen

Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rodt on May 23, 2019, 07:18:46 AM
Exactly right. Another one I hear all the time is "It's not my fault I wasn't told/trained".
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 23, 2019, 09:41:21 AM
A young tourist has spoken out over a photo that emerged of her sitting in croc-infested waters at a notorious crossing in the Northern Territory.
Lauren French, 25, from Coffs Harbour in NSW, was branded “an idiot” for nonchalantly sitting on Cahills Crossing in the Kakadu National Park on May 11.

While the area is heavily sign posted warning visitors of the dangers present, Ms French told Yahoo News Australia that the large crocodile population wasn’t immediately apparent to her.

“Everyone keeps saying ‘didn’t you see the signs?’ Yes [I did] but everywhere has signs up here,” she said.
“I’m surprised people’s pools don’t have caution signs.”

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 https://au.news.yahoo.com/cahills-crossing-tourist-responds-to-photo-at-croc-crossing-021534907.html (https://au.news.yahoo.com/cahills-crossing-tourist-responds-to-photo-at-croc-crossing-021534907.html)
please dont let her breed.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: dogbox on May 23, 2019, 11:31:27 AM
please dont let her breed.

if she keeps doing things like that she might not get a chance to go forth an multiply
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on May 23, 2019, 11:36:16 AM
she might not get a chance to go forth an multiply

Does going forth in multiple pieces count ??? >:D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on May 24, 2019, 11:37:11 AM
RIP Niki Lauda.
His passing on the 20th seems to have been a bit overshadowed in our news by the deluge of political fluff and bubble we have had of late.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.niki-lauda-an-f1-legend-remembered.22UIF6kuLmlGFiqeKr0wEz.html


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 24, 2019, 11:48:43 AM
RIP Niki Lauda.
His passing on the 20th seems to have been a bit overshadowed in our news by the deluge of political fluff and bubble we have had of late.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.niki-lauda-an-f1-legend-remembered.22UIF6kuLmlGFiqeKr0wEz.html


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on May 24, 2019, 12:07:34 PM
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=20758.msg985941#msg985941
Oops totally missed seeing that.  I find I miss heaps of posts when I  use tapatalk.

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on May 24, 2019, 12:53:11 PM
Oops totally missed seeing that.  I find I miss heaps of posts when I  use tapatalk.

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Interesting...
I find I miss a lot of posts when I use the “show unread posts since your last visit” link on the website.
Probably because I open the forum and have a flick through to kill a minute or 2, then close it again. Obviously that resets the “since your last visit” bit.

With Tapatalk it’s easy to skim through and look at quick posts if you only have a minute to spare, but you don’t loose your place on all the cool builds and technical/detailed threads that you want to read when you have more time.

No sure how you view it, but I prefer this setup.

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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 26, 2019, 10:46:26 AM
A good article from Joe Hildebrand on the election result, I think he is one of the most underrated political journos around. https://tinyurl.com/y6n5o8ta
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on May 28, 2019, 09:57:13 AM
A good article from Joe Hildebrand on the election result, I think he is one of the most underrated political journos around. https://tinyurl.com/y6n5o8ta
Best review I've read so far.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: MattNQ on May 28, 2019, 10:08:35 AM
He failed at uni and life.  Now it's someone elses fault...???
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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on May 28, 2019, 10:24:46 AM
A good article from Joe Hildebrand on the election result, I think he is one of the most underrated political journos around. https://tinyurl.com/y6n5o8ta

They say every poll had Labor clear leader, yet all the online polls I saw clear fell on average 70/30 to the Coalition.  Maybe the Official Pollsters need to change the demographic of who they poll to get a clearer picture of what the large portion of the public want. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on May 28, 2019, 10:42:23 AM
They say every poll had Labor clear leader, yet all the online polls I saw clear fell on average 70/30 to the Coalition.  Maybe the Official Pollsters need to change the demographic of who they poll to get a clearer picture of what the large portion of the public want. 
And how, phoning you at 6:30pm doesn't go down well either
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on May 28, 2019, 11:02:23 AM
They say every poll had Labor clear leader, yet all the online polls I saw clear fell on average 70/30 to the Coalition.  Maybe the Official Pollsters need to change the demographic of who they poll to get a clearer picture of what the large portion of the public want.

Probably more to do with where you looked, they were in reality only a couple of per cent out whereas 70/30 would be almost 20% out, the issue was that all the polls were broadly consistent for such a long time but all got it wrong, most people are putting it down to either a move away from the landlines where they have traditionally used to sample, but now use a mix, as well as "herding" where they adjust the figures because their result is different to everyone else so assume theirs must be weighted incorrectly.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rodt on May 28, 2019, 11:03:26 AM
I gotta be honest and say I couldn't give a rats what the polls say anyway. They are only a tool to give the media something to talk about and the pollies to think they know what we want and then talk more about it. I suppose there is also a bit of messaging included in there that sways the undecided voter.
Forgetting all the climate change issues, electric cars, franking credits etc etc all I want is a government that is actually going to do something. All that populated the media in the lead up were all of these concept issues about how we were going to look in the future. I couldn't care less as things will be what they are going to be but someone start doing something now without trying to screw people over.

What's wrong with someone actually start to build the water pipeline from Nth Qld, build another power station so that people have affordable and reliable power into the future. You look around everywhere and roads are crap, things are falling apart, there are bugger all doctors in the bush.

None of the above means that we can't be environmentally conscious but instead of going on and on about climate change why not, for example,  talk about strategies to pick up the tonnes and tonnes of rubbish laying around.

Sorry probably ended up as a rant
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on May 28, 2019, 01:23:09 PM

Forgetting all the climate change issues, electric cars, franking credits etc etc all I want is a government that is actually going to do something.

There's every posibility that we just might start to see this happening again.

Not only because of the election result but perhaps more importly because of a speech I heard just the other day.
These words caught my ear and gave a little glimmer of hope that we could possibly see a government actually acheive something in the longer term interests of our country.

The line went something like this;
“I also say this to Scott Morrison - I’m not Tony Abbott,”
“People want solutions, not arguments. They have conflict fatigue.”

That is the best thing any government could ever possibly hear from the leader of the opposition party.
We might now finally move out of this dark period of opposition just for the sake of opposition that we have endured over the last decade or more.
Obviously this is just another speech from another politician that has finally got a little taste of power, but the fact that we now have 2 leaders that (at least on face value) are more intersted in improving our society then just winning the fight gives me a little hope for our future.

The fact that a liberal on the not so extreme end of the scale was the man left standing after Alan Jones and Tony Abbott lit the fuse to blow up the last goverment was a good start.
And the fact that we now have a not so combative leader of the other side, could mean the start of a more civil time in our politics.

One can only hope anyway......
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on May 28, 2019, 01:44:02 PM
Quote from: Rodt
... all I want is a government that is actually going to do something.


hope your not holding your breath
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on June 03, 2019, 05:58:46 PM
Just watched a couple of  phone films taken of the cruise ship OPERA hitting the wharf in Venice.  Amazed no one was killed.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on June 03, 2019, 07:28:01 PM
Just watched a couple of  phone films taken of the cruise ship OPERA hitting the wharf in Venice.  Amazed no one was killed.
Was watching a bunch on interviews with Venice locals following this crash.
Kind of puts our constant complaining about those Victorians selfishly choking out northern highways with their rolling road blocks into perspective.

As annoying as a 30 foot van doing 20km/h under the speed limit and refusing to pull over and let all of the locals stuck behind them get past can be, it’s probably nothing compared to having a bunch of massive cruise ships literally destroying and sinking your city for 6 months every year....
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on June 03, 2019, 07:50:27 PM
Was watching a bunch on interviews with Venice locals following this crash.
Kind of puts our constant complaining about those Victorians selfishly choking out northern highways with their rolling road blocks into perspective.

As annoying as a 30 foot van doing 20km/h under the speed limit and refusing to pull over and let all of the locals stuck behind them get past can be, it’s probably nothing compared to having a bunch of massive cruise ships literally destroying and sinking your city for 6 months every year....


Nah......I,ll take the ship anyday.... :angel: :angel:
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fox67 on June 03, 2019, 10:14:00 PM
We did a cruise from Venice in July last year, I reckon it was from that particular wharf. That place is being loved to death.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 04, 2019, 04:23:02 AM
1st mate to Captain: Aye, Captain, I don't its going to fit with the other vessel moored there.

Captain: Arrr, She be right there young lad.... hold my beer and watch this.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Steffo1 on June 04, 2019, 08:54:30 AM
The good woman was on a cruise ship there only 3 weeks ago. Looks like she missed a good story to bring home.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on June 04, 2019, 06:41:48 PM
Another car and truck accident in Qld.  Just South of Cardwell.  2 dead and a baby critically injured......16 dead for the week...WTF is going on on our roads?  I,ll never understand how the Bruce Hwy was named. Bruce Goat-track is more apt.  Stop spending billions in Brisbane and start fixing our National Hwy...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on June 04, 2019, 06:49:04 PM
Another car and truck accident in Qld.  Just South of Cardwell.  2 dead and a baby critically injured......16 dead for the week...WTF is going on on our roads?  I,ll never understand how the Bruce Hwy was named. Bruce Goat-track is more apt.  Stop spending billions in Brisbane and start fixing our National Hwy...
one of those deaths was a lowlife crim in a stolen car with his scumbag mate who was driving running a red light, and the women and her 4 kids who had the head on with the truck looks to possibly be a suicide...so nearly half those deaths have nothing to do with road conditions at all, and who knows what caused the other crashes without seeing any official findings.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on June 04, 2019, 07:19:48 PM
More cars on the roads every year. That means the chances of an accident has to increase.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on June 04, 2019, 07:32:56 PM
We had a cop do a safety presentation at work the other day. He said the single biggest improvement in the road toll coincided with the introduction of speed cameras. He also said that drink driving rates have dropped dramatically but about 1/4 people testing for drugged driving fail.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on June 04, 2019, 07:55:32 PM
one of those deaths was a lowlife crim in a stolen car with his scumbag mate who was driving running a red light, and the women and her 4 kids who had the head on with the truck looks to possibly be a suicide...so nearly half those deaths have nothing to do with road conditions at all, and who knows what caused the other crashes without seeing any official findings.

I drive the so called Bruce HWY  a fair bit and it is a bloody disgrace. Absolutely the condition of this National Hwy has caused accidents. Narrow one lane bridges, miles upon miles of single lane "highway" and a surface that in places is just downright ridiculous. We have had local councils, police, ambos, racq and many organisations for over a decade calling upon the government to upgrade the goat track. It is known as the goat track from the nsw border up to Cairns.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on June 04, 2019, 08:33:39 PM
I drive the so called Bruce HWY  a fair bit and it is a bloody disgrace. Absolutely the condition of this National Hwy has caused accidents. Narrow one lane bridges, miles upon miles of single lane "highway" and a surface that in places is just downright ridiculous. We have had local councils, police, ambos, racq and many organisations for over a decade calling upon the government to upgrade the goat track. It is known as the goat track from the nsw border up to Cairns.
plenty of people used to whinge about the road surface South of Gympie also years ago, I used to drive it regularly and some times in some very very ordinary weather conditions, and failed to see the issue with the road myself. Having driven all the Bruce Hwy myself several times I can't say it's ever concerned me, the behaviour of the drivers on it is another story altogether though. Could the highway be a lot better?...yep for sure, but to blame all these recent deaths on it's "condition" is rediculous IMO.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on June 04, 2019, 08:34:15 PM
Don't  think it would go down well if a cop came out and publicly said speed cameras did more for revenue than it did for the road toll. Why is it that I see so many speed cameras on a road that is known to have cars that will go faster than the signed speed,  has never been an accident on even though the limit is still being broken, and yet on a road that has had several fatal crashes, but would not rake in as much money, there is a camera every blue moon. I'm  not convinced  that revenue is not a huge factor in cameras as it must pull in $100's million over Australia..I'm  not saying it doesn't  impact  on safety, but  how much is that grab for cash.  $$$$$$$$
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on June 04, 2019, 08:45:04 PM
  how much is that grab for cash.  $$$$$$$$

I'd say a fair bit, which is terrific, as it's more than likely the same % of drivers offending time and time again.
Just think if they all stopped and obeyed the road rules.
No revenue.
Then the Gov would have to find another way of raising the $$$$$$, and that would more than likely effect my pocket.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on June 04, 2019, 08:51:37 PM
Don't  think it would go down well if a cop came out and publicly said speed cameras did more for revenue than it did for the road toll. Why is it that I see so many speed cameras on a road that is known to have cars that will go faster than the signed speed,  has never been an accident on even though the limit is still being broken, and yet on a road that has had several fatal crashes, but would not rake in as much money, there is a camera every blue moon. I'm  not convinced  that revenue is not a huge factor in cameras as it must pull in $100's million over Australia..I'm  not saying it doesn't  impact  on safety, but  how much is that grab for cash.  $$$$$$$$

It's not the cops who want to go out and set up speed traps to book people, it's the state governments who give them targets (hours not actual fines) and require them to do it. Yes, they are used to bring in revenue, but that doesn't mean they can't also slow some people down and save lives as well.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on June 04, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
plenty of people used to whinge about the road surface South of Gympie also years ago, I used to drive it regularly and some times in some very very ordinary weather conditions, and failed to see the issue with the road myself. Having driven all the Bruce Hwy myself several times I can't say it's ever concerned me, the behaviour of the drivers on it is another story altogether though. Could the highway be a lot better?...yep for sure, but to blame all these recent deaths on it's "condition" is rediculous IMO.


Who blamed all the deaths on the highway? I certainly haven't. I,ll bet my nuts that some have been killed due to the hwy. Australia,s number one highway should at the very minium be double lane. Not mile after mile of single lane, little overtaking chances and narrow single lane bridge passing. Ridiculous.  Yet they spend tens of billions building bloody tunnels for Brisbane.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on June 04, 2019, 08:59:54 PM
https://www.9news.com.au/national/news-darwin-police-hunt-gunman-reports-of-injury/5066d8df-1470-4731-9ef3-3141e07574b1

Four people are dead and a suspected gunman has been arrested following a shooting in Darwin.
The incident started with reports of several shots fired at about 5.50pm tonight.
The shooting unfolded in the suburb of Woolner, and the offender was described as armed and dangerous.
He was on the loose for about an hour.
A 45-year-old Caucasian male was arrested, police confirmed.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on June 04, 2019, 09:03:04 PM
Don't  think it would go down well if a cop came out and publicly said speed cameras did more for revenue than it did for the road toll. Why is it that I see so many speed cameras on a road that is known to have cars that will go faster than the signed speed,  has never been an accident on even though the limit is still being broken, and yet on a road that has had several fatal crashes, but would not rake in as much money, there is a camera every blue moon. I'm  not convinced  that revenue is not a huge factor in cameras as it must pull in $100's million over Australia..I'm  not saying it doesn't  impact  on safety, but  how much is that grab for cash.  $$$$$$$$

speed cameras only slow most people down for maybe a couple of hundred meters, after that most return to the speed limit and others go back to their speeding.  Speed cameras also do nothing to prevent dangerous and reckless driving.  Having Police Cars visible on the roads do a much better job.
Title: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on June 04, 2019, 09:20:18 PM

Who blamed all the deaths on the highway? I certainly haven't. I,ll bet my nuts that some have been killed due to the hwy. Australia,s number one highway should at the very minium be double lane. Not mile after mile of single lane, little overtaking chances and narrow single lane bridge passing. Ridiculous.  Yet they spend tens of billions building bloody tunnels for Brisbane.
I blame many deaths on that highway. One of them was a good friend of mine.
The only thing at fault that caused his young life to end was that road!

Even the politicians openly admitted that;  https://www.senatormacdonald.org/speech-cardwell-road-realignment-dedication-friday-4th-april-2014/ (https://www.senatormacdonald.org/speech-cardwell-road-realignment-dedication-friday-4th-april-2014/)

Quote
Ladies and gentlemen, this is a project, which many of you will know, cost almost $200 million, the Commonwealth putting in about $130 million of it, the State putting in the rest and a bit of interest going towards it as well. Its been a project a long time in coming.

I should also recognise so many of the Police Force here as well. Theyve had their issues on this road over many years. Its been an expensive project, and, as I say, too late in the coming, but at last its here.

I often think, and have said publicly many times, that this is a construction work that has been held up because of too many concerns about too many environmental issues, which are very important, but when it comes to environmental issues compared to the safety of human beings, Ill always go with the safety of human beings. It was a challenge to get the design and the work actually done. Many of you might remember that planning on this realignment started in 2006, under the Howard government, after the tragic death of a young fellow named Benjamin Dickson and you may also remember the campaign that his father, Barry, conducted to have this road upgraded. The work began planning this upgrade in the year of his sons death, and in 2008, the death of two tilt train drivers, Rick Wetherell and Mick Smithers in a collision with a B Double at the level crossing at Rungoo, increased the urgency for this work to this done. I want to publicly; as I did privately, pass on to Mrs Wetherell and her family the condolences of the Australian people through the Australian Government for that loss.

Four kilometres of highway have been realigned and this includes extensions for overtaking lanes, construction of new lanes, straightening of sections of dangerous road. If my arithmetic serves me correctly, thats about $50 million a kilometre which is probably one at the top end of your costs per kilometre David, but it certainly wasnt without its challenges I am told. During the construction, some 10.3 metres of rain fell in this area and you dont need to be an infrastructure engineer to work out just what that would have done to the timetables for the construction.

The new overpass, over the railway line, will avoid the sort of tragedies weve seen at the level crossing in the past.

It was so sad to see what this father had to go through and how hard he had to lobby politicians to save many more lives.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on June 04, 2019, 09:32:07 PM
speed cameras   :cup:
red light cameras   :cup:
radar speed guns   :cup:
NOBODY makes you speed, the fines are a VOLUNTARY  tax, it's your choice   ::)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on June 04, 2019, 09:39:05 PM

Australia,s number one highway should at the very minium be double lane. Not mile after mile of single lane, little overtaking chances and narrow single lane bridge passing. Ridiculous.  Yet they spend tens of billions building bloody tunnels for Brisbane.

The highway connecting Australia's 1st and 3rd biggest cities still hasn't got there yet, I wouldn't be holding your breath.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on June 05, 2019, 06:04:28 AM
The highway connecting Australia's 1st and 3rd biggest cities still hasn't got there yet, I wouldn't be holding your breath.

Certainly wont be holding my breath.  Pollies promises are for improvements are just hot air..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: plusnq on June 05, 2019, 06:06:53 AM

Who blamed all the deaths on the highway? I certainly haven't. I,ll bet my nuts that some have been killed due to the hwy. Australia,s number one highway should at the very minium be double lane. Not mile after mile of single lane, little overtaking chances and narrow single lane bridge passing. Ridiculous.  Yet they spend tens of billions building bloody tunnels for Brisbane.

The tunnels definitely improve traffic flow in Brisbane. There was a truck caught fire between the airport link and Clem 7 tunnels at peak hour a few years ago. It took three hours to move 4 km that afternoon. The whole city was in gridlock.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 05, 2019, 06:54:17 AM
I blame the pushbike riders....  ;D
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Robbo on June 05, 2019, 07:46:19 AM
I blame the pushbike riders....  ;D
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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: achjimmy on June 05, 2019, 09:01:42 AM
How does a bloke out on parole for a serious crime, known to police and known to have metal health issues get an illegal outlawed firearm and then go on a rampage through Darwin ?!?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Fizzie on June 05, 2019, 09:08:06 AM
"known to be connected to an OMCG" I think answers all those questions, Jimmy :(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: doc evil on June 05, 2019, 09:15:08 AM

Who blamed all the deaths on the highway? I certainly haven't. I,ll bet my nuts that some have been killed due to the hwy. Australia,s number one highway should at the very minium be double lane. Not mile after mile of single lane, little overtaking chances and narrow single lane bridge passing. Ridiculous.  Yet they spend tens of billions building bloody tunnels for Brisbane.

Very simply BF, we don't have the population (or voters  ;D ) out there to quantify for dual lane as the only use would be a goat, tractor and tumbleweeds!!

At around $1 mill per km to widen and costruct, I don't think it is a priority!!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on June 05, 2019, 09:16:03 AM
How does a bloke out on parole for a serious crime, known to police and known to have metal health issues get an illegal outlawed firearm and then go on a rampage through Darwin ?!?

Truth is often stranger then fiction but someone needs to answer a few questions.   
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on June 05, 2019, 09:48:26 AM
Very simply BF, we don't have the population (or voters  ;D ) out there to quantify for dual lane as the only use would be a goat, tractor and tumbleweeds!!

At around $1 mill per km to widen and costruct, I don't think it is a priority!!

I think $1mil/km is a bit low. The last major section of the Sydney to Brisbane highway (Woolgoolga to Ballina) is $4.95Billion for 155km, that's $32 mill/km. So if you are travelling at 100km per hour, my calculations say it's 1mil or road for ever 1.13 seconds
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on June 05, 2019, 10:58:34 AM
Quote from: achjimmy
.. .and known to have metal health issues

Why is every second story on the news about someone with mental health issues killing people/stealing cars/robbing from their boss/ etc etc as a defense - whether its true or not.

I think the definition of "mental health" is a little to broad.. it can mean the bloke forgot to put sugar in their lite soy mocca latte' with artificial sweetener through to they were bashed with an iron bar as a kid..
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 05, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on June 05, 2019, 11:40:01 AM
Why is every second story on the news about someone with mental health issues killing people/stealing cars/robbing from their boss/ etc etc as a defense - whether its true or not.

I think the definition of "mental health" is a little to broad.. it can mean the bloke forgot to put sugar in their lite soy mocca latte' with artificial sweetener through to they were bashed with an iron bar as a kid..

I don't think anyone who goes out a murders someone is by definition, right in the mind, the use of it as a mitigating factor is flawed for this very reason, you might have voices in your head etc but at the end of the day, you still chose to do it.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on June 05, 2019, 12:16:37 PM
Quote from: tryagain
I don't think anyone who goes out a murders someone is by definition, right in the mind, the use of it as a mitigating factor is flawed for this very reason, you might have voices in your head etc but at the end of the day, you still chose to do it.
I'm just thinking how to me it appears as though 1 in 1 person in court or is it on the street must be ****ed in the head...
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on June 05, 2019, 06:17:09 PM
4 killed in Darwin. Let's  not keep him. Save ourselves  $ millions. Do the job right. Bullet to the head between his eyes.No more problem.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on June 05, 2019, 06:22:34 PM
2 terrorists found guilty and sentenced to decades  in jail at our cost. Save our money. Hang them using pigs gut.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rags on June 05, 2019, 10:42:08 PM

Yet they spend tens of billions building bloody tunnels for Brisbane.

At the $rate per km that the toll is applied to use the tunnels, it would be an expensive trip to Cairns.
I doubt that the investors would even be prepared to fund a road in a similar method that they do for these tunnels and other motorways.

I think the federal govt priorities are sound.To ensure that our cities with 4.6 million, 4.4 million and 2.3 million have a good standard of road connecting the cities. Unfortunately with a population of a combined 320000 people for the 2 large towns of Nth Qld the numbers don't stack up for both the Qld govt or the federal govt, not much different to most regional towns.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on June 06, 2019, 09:22:03 AM
At the $rate per km that the toll is applied to use the tunnels, it would be an expensive trip to Cairns.
I doubt that the investors would even be prepared to fund a road in a similar method that they do for these tunnels and other motorways.

I think the federal govt priorities are sound.To ensure that our cities with 4.6 million, 4.4 million and 2.3 million have a good standard of road connecting the cities. Unfortunately with a population of a combined 320000 people for the 2 large towns of Nth Qld the numbers don't stack up for both the Qld govt or the federal govt, not much different to most regional towns.

Thats true about population. However the Bruce sees thousands of heavy trucks transporting mining equipment, farming gear, food, farm produce, household goods, cars, boats etc.etc. Nearly everything for the North is trucked up via the Bruce. Then there is the annual lemming run where we see tens of thousands of tourist using the highway for months on end.  Surely it wouldn't be asking too much to raise the highway where it goes under water and to get rid of the single lane bridges. The govt keeps rabbitting on about opening up the North and investing billions. Without a safe and reliable highway what is the point.   Maybe we might have to build a wall...lol
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on June 06, 2019, 02:55:40 PM
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Israel Folau will seek up to $10 million in damages if his sacking is deemed unlawful in the Federal Court, the Herald has been told.

In documents filed with the Fair Work Commission on Thursday and obtained by the Herald, Folau will seek to have his May 20 sacking deemed unlawful. He will pursue damages including the value of his $5 million contract as well as the monetary value of other lost opportunities.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/folau-takes-fight-against-rugby-australia-to-fair-work-commission-20190606-p51v53.html (https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/folau-takes-fight-against-rugby-australia-to-fair-work-commission-20190606-p51v53.html)

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on June 06, 2019, 04:34:26 PM
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/folau-takes-fight-against-rugby-australia-to-fair-work-commission-20190606-p51v53.html (https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/folau-takes-fight-against-rugby-australia-to-fair-work-commission-20190606-p51v53.html)

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out
I think this comment says it best from the comments section... .

'The world would be a far better place if there was no such thing as religions.
Maybe they had a place 6000 years ago, but in this day and age, no adult should still believe in fables and fairy stories, regardless of who allegedly wrote them.
They have been the cause of some of humanity's darkest hours (and ages ;)).'



Would the ARU have 10 million? its almost dead as a sport
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Kangaron on June 06, 2019, 04:42:13 PM
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/folau-takes-fight-against-rugby-australia-to-fair-work-commission-20190606-p51v53.html (https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/folau-takes-fight-against-rugby-australia-to-fair-work-commission-20190606-p51v53.html)

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out
I think he is on a clear winner.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on June 06, 2019, 05:16:21 PM
Religion is needed for groups to control the mindless ways of their followers. And if they follow the ways there is a place for them with joy and happiness for all time to come. Funny thing is there is no real proof that it can actually be. Some people's lives on earth and in their bodies must be bloody miserable if they have to die and go to the other place to be happy. And their come back will be prove that it doesn't  exist. Sorry to them cause I'm  not gonna die to prove them wrong. I'm  quite happy here on earth  in my own body, with my own thinking and when I'm  gone, I'm  gone. No place better just gone.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on June 06, 2019, 05:29:50 PM
I think this comment says it best from the comments section... .

'The world would be a far better place if there was no such thing as religions.
Maybe they had a place 6000 years ago, but in this day and age, no adult should still believe in fables and fairy stories, regardless of who allegedly wrote them.
They have been the cause of some of humanity's darkest hours (and ages ;)).'



Would the ARU have 10 million? its almost dead as a sport
I have a very different view on the subject......if someone wants to believe in a god, then what business of mine is it?, i call that respecting others. So long as they don't try and push thier beliefs onto me I really don't care what faith people have or even don't have...try and .push your ideology onto me and then I do care and likely will say something that may offend such people,  be that religion, vegans, greenies etc etc etc...keep your beliefs to yourself, which is where Izzy went wrong IMO. This social media world people live in nowadays is a pox on society as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on June 06, 2019, 05:44:09 PM
Bird and Rumpig both made some valid comments there but must say Rumpig must have the pox. You are very active on here which is a modern social media form. If it's  that bad why are you a member and follow it?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pottsy on June 06, 2019, 06:10:38 PM
I am not a religious person but was bought up in a home where both my parents were religious, church every week. When my brother died my parents faith and the support they were given through the church was a great help to them and when Dad passed last year mum was once again supported and comforted by the church group.
Each person makes choices throughout life and if religion is of a comfort to you and helps you cope with daily life so be it. My parents never foisted their religion on any of us nor anyone else.
I do object to those who tout their religion at my door step or in the streets.
We all will die, no doubt about it, that is the only real certainty in life.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on June 06, 2019, 07:00:03 PM
I have a very different view on the subject......if someone wants to believe in a god, then what business of mine is it?, i call that respecting others. So long as they don't try and push thier beliefs onto me I really don't care what faith people have or even don't have...try and .push your ideology onto me and then I do care and likely will say something that may offend such people,  be that religion, vegans, greenies etc etc etc...keep your beliefs to yourself, which is where Izzy went wrong IMO. This social media world people live in nowadays is a pox on society as far as I am concerned.

I agree in most with what you say.  Most people don't like someone else pushing their ideology onto them as you say, what ever that may be, politics, religion etc.  On most social media like Instagram/Facebook etc, you have the choice of liking someone and you have the choice to follow that person.  For example I have one mate who keeps pushing his anti-religious religion of atheism.  That's just him and I just scroll past it or occasionally have a shot at him, as mates do.  With Izzy, anyone that knows him that would follow him on Instagram/Facebook would know that he has a deep Christian belief and anyone following him would have to expect him to make religious post sharing his Christian view.  What you see on Instagram/Facebook depends on your settings and your choices. 

If Izzy made his Christian post or comment on any Official Australian Rugby site then yeah he would be wrong.  If he made a Christian post on his own socail media and somehow related that back to Australia Rugby then yeah he would be wrong.  But when you make a post on your own Instragram/Facebook page about something you believe in, nah, nothing wrong with that at all.  Seems that others, probably not even friends with Izzy on his page have seen or heard about from a third part and took offence at it.  Oddly I have not seen any complaints or any one taking Offence to all the others in his list going to hell.   



Title: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on June 06, 2019, 07:34:09 PM
I have a very different view on the subject......if someone wants to believe in a god, then what business of mine is it?, i call that respecting others. So long as they don't try and push thier beliefs onto me I really don't care what faith people have or even don't have...try and .push your ideology onto me and then I do care and likely will say something that may offend such people,  be that religion, vegans, greenies etc etc etc...keep your beliefs to yourself, which is where Izzy went wrong IMO. This social media world people live in nowadays is a pox on society as far as I am concerned.

Thank you.

As someone who has religious beliefs,I never try to push my beliefs into anyone else.  It’s not my place.

And to those who are sure that the good Lord doesn’t exist, what harm is it for a normal person to have some hope in their life, instead of the woe is me, shoot me now attitude that some, even on this forum, display...

In Izzy’s case, it’s a bit weird that people are suddenly offended, when these same beliefs have been around for centuries... it’s not new.

Maybe just another thing to be super offended about...


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on June 06, 2019, 07:36:53 PM
I am not a religious person but was bought up in a home where both my parents were religious, church every week. When my brother died my parents faith and the support they were given through the church was a great help to them and when Dad passed last year mum was once again supported and comforted by the church group.
Each person makes choices throughout life and if religion is of a comfort to you and helps you cope with daily life so be it. My parents never foisted their religion on any of us nor anyone else.
I do object to those who tout their religion at my door step or in the streets.
We all will die, no doubt about it, that is the only real certainty in life.

Well said.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on June 06, 2019, 07:47:54 PM
Forget  Izzy' s case, if he wins it no more gay or "unnatural" students, teachers or cleaners at any religious schools. Any employer can refuse  to employ or have employee's that don't conform to their religious beliefs. Religions can refuse to have these " unnatural" people within their congregations. Who knows, doctors could refuse to treat "unnaturals" because they dont agree. Where would the list stop. All because someone wants to sue for $10million to practice his religion. Who gives a stuff about the "unnaturals" cause they won't  be able to sue because it's  all about religion. I might take up religion, push it everywhere till something happens, the sue someone. But I'll be happy with only $1mill.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on June 06, 2019, 07:51:59 PM
Forget  Izzy' s case, if he wins it no more gay or "unnatural" students, teachers or cleaners at any religious schools. Any employer can refuse  to employ or have employee's that don't conform to their religious beliefs. Religions can refuse to have these " unnatural" people within their congregations. Who knows, doctors could refuse to treat "unnaturals" because they dont agree. Where would the list stop. All because someone wants to sue for $10million to practice his religion. Who gives a stuff about the "unnaturals" cause they won't  be able to sue because it's  all about religion. I might take up religion, push it everywhere till something happens, the sue someone. But I'll be happy with only $1mill.

Maybe do a bit more research on how far anti discrimination laws go and how they protect against the very things you are talking about.

Freedom of religion is a basic freedom, but only when it doesn’t break the law.

 


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on June 06, 2019, 07:55:32 PM
I'll wait and see after he wins his case.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on June 06, 2019, 07:59:52 PM
I'll wait and see after he wins his case.

Whether he wins the case or not is irrelevant to  our current laws. 

Do you honestly think, in this day and age, that our laws will be changed to make it easier to discriminate, as you suspect?

I doubt it very much.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on June 06, 2019, 08:18:42 PM
He is claiming he is being discriminated because of his religious  beliefs. He was sacked. So what is the difference from an employer  having the right to refuse  a job to someone because of the employees religious beliefs. Religion says you can't  be sacked, so why can't  religion be used to not employ one. You might say it can't  happen, and it won't,  until it does. Others have said this will set a precident  for possible actions other ways. So I will still wait to see what becomes of it.  20 years ago you kill someone, you go to jail for 25 years. Today you can be out in 6. Do I think laws can change. Pushed enought  and they do.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: paceman on June 06, 2019, 08:27:49 PM
He is claiming he is being discriminated because of his religious  beliefs. He was sacked. So what is the difference from an employer  having the right to refuse  a job to someone because of the employees religious beliefs. Religion says you can't  be sacked, so why can't  religion be used to not employ one. You might say it can't  happen, and it won't,  until it does. Others have said this will set a precident  for possible actions other ways. So I will still wait to see what becomes of it.  20 years ago you kill someone, you go to jail for 25 years. Today you can be out in 6. Do I think laws can change. Pushed enought  and they do.

What?

The law says you can’t be sacked, solely on religious grounds.  Izzy was sacked because he broke some sort of social media code, after more than one warning... not necessarily because of his religion, which is where his case gets sticky.

In some religious private schools, teachers have to have certain religious beliefs, which I don’t think is unreasonable.

But public schools can’t discriminate based on religion.

Like I said... if you think these types of laws will be relaxed, with social justice warriors and the like getting more vocal every day, then we will have to agree to disagree...

Enjoy your night... :)


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on June 06, 2019, 08:29:27 PM
He is claiming he is being discriminated because of his religious  beliefs. He was sacked. So what is the difference from an employer  having the right to refuse  a job to someone because of the employees religious beliefs. Religion says you can't  be sacked, so why can't  religion be used to not employ one. You might say it can't  happen, and it won't,  until it does. Others have said this will set a precident  for possible actions other ways. So I will still wait to see what becomes of it.  20 years ago you kill someone, you go to jail for 25 years. Today you can be out in 6. Do I think laws can change. Pushed enought  and they do.

Isn't it the same laws protecting everyone else from being sacked or not being employed that should also be protecting Falou?   
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on June 06, 2019, 08:38:07 PM
'The world would be a far better place if there was no such thing as religions.
Maybe they had a place 6000 years ago, but in this day and age, no adult should still believe in fables and fairy stories, regardless of who allegedly wrote them.
They have been the cause of some of humanity's darkest hours (and ages ;)).'
Breaking that down

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'The world would be a far better place if there was no such thing as religions.
That just a subjective opinion, I think a very short-sighted one but he is entitled to have it. Certainly, doesn't make it true.

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Maybe they had a place 6000 years ago
Even prominent Atheists like Sam Harris agree that we owe where we are as a society to our religious based morals system.

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but in this day and age, no adult should still believe in fables and fairy stories,
I would agree with that, although he is trying to imply that the Bible is equivalent to a fable of fairy stories which is demonstrability wrong.
The existence of Jesus is considered historically accurate, Jon Dickson over the years has put out the Challenge that (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-17/dickson-ill-eat-a-page-from-my-bible-if-jesus-didnt-exist/5820620) "I will eat a page of my Bible if someone can find me just one full Professor of Ancient History, Classics, or New Testament in an accredited university somewhere in the world (there are thousands of names to choose from) who thinks Jesus never lived." and safe to say that his Bible is still intact.

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They have been the cause of some of humanity's darkest hours
Possibly the cause of some, but the majority no, and has it been the cause of some of it's best moments as well. So this is just a bit of a nothing statement.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on June 06, 2019, 08:54:23 PM
So, it’s ok for Israel to judge others but not ok for others to judge him?

I am all for free speech and the consequences that come with expressing it.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: alnjan on June 06, 2019, 08:57:52 PM
So, it’s ok for Israel to judge others but not ok for others to judge him?

I am all for free speech and the consequences that come with expressing it.


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By all means judge the person but is it sufficient to sack him for what he believes in?
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on June 06, 2019, 08:58:17 PM
Forget  Izzy' s case, if he wins it no more gay or "unnatural" students, teachers or cleaners at any religious schools. Any employer can refuse  to employ or have employee's that don't conform to their religious beliefs. Religions can refuse to have these " unnatural" people within their congregations. Who knows, doctors could refuse to treat "unnaturals" because they dont agree. Where would the list stop. All because someone wants to sue for $10million to practice his religion. Who gives a stuff about the "unnaturals" cause they won't  be able to sue because it's  all about religion. I might take up religion, push it everywhere till something happens, the sue someone. But I'll be happy with only $1mill.

This is pretty uninformed, the case boils down to this. Rugby Australia has deemed through their processes that Israel Folau has breached his contract and terminated it on that basis, The Fair Work Act, however, supersedes any employment contract and states that you cannot be terminated based on "race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin" Now as Israel was dismissed for paraphrasing a bible verse he is arguing that his termination is because of his Religious Expression which is illegal under the Act.

The Fair Work Act already has some exclusions for religious institutions that include the ability for them to only employ staff who share the institutions' values. This has always been the case and the Israel Folau verdict will have no real impact on this.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on June 06, 2019, 08:59:32 PM
Yep, just like he thinks gays should go to hell, I think homophobes shouldn’t represent my country.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on June 06, 2019, 09:09:36 PM
So, it’s ok for Israel to judge others but not ok for others to judge him?

I am all for free speech and the consequences that come with expressing it.

I am not sure that he was really judging people, was paraphrasing a Bible verse which is more equivalent to reading a law as opposed to judging if someone was guilty of it.

But everyone is free to judge his post as many have, the question is though, is RA legally able to terminate his contract based on it? Only time will tell.

Yep, just like he thinks gays should go to hell, I think homophobes shouldn’t represent my country.

I think you are misrepresenting his position here quite substantially.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: rockrat on June 06, 2019, 09:17:01 PM
All good, Tryagain, we all have our own opinions and beliefs.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on June 06, 2019, 09:44:33 PM
I don't  think your seeing the point I'm  trying to put forward here.

Rugby Australia has deemed through their processes that Israel Folau has breached his contract and terminated it on that basis,

That is understood.

The Fair Work Act, however, supersedes any employment contract and states that you cannot be terminated based on "race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin"

That is understood.

Now as Israel was dismissed for paraphrasing a bible verse he is arguing that his termination is because of his Religious Expression which is illegal under the Act.

That is understood.


The Fair Work Act already has some exclusions for religious institutions that include the ability for them to only employ staff who share the institutions' values.

This is understood. It is also part of the point. It is already there that you don't  have the same or accepted religious beliefs then you can be not considered .

 This has always been the case and the Israel Folau verdict will have no real impact on this.

Another part of the point. He has made it religious expression as you put it. If he wins it's  in the legal system. There is always flow ons from legal case outcomes. Others will want to use outcomes for their own benefits. Will it be used for exclusions in other forms?  My point is not just on employment. It has already been reported that students not being accepted because of their sexual orientation, people not being accepted into church groups.

Out of battery finish my rant later
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Rumpig on June 06, 2019, 09:48:21 PM
Bird and Rumpig both made some valid comments there but must say Rumpig must have the pox. You are very active on here which is a modern social media form. If it's  that bad why are you a member and follow it?
yes I do have that pox and I hate it...I spend way to much time on here then I should, time that could be much better spent elsewhere, and i continually think I should spend less time then I do on here....i didn't say it doesn't effect me, so not getting your point really.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on June 06, 2019, 10:25:23 PM
20 years ago you kill someone, you go to jail for 25 years. Today you can be out in 6. Do I think laws can change. Pushed enought  and they do.
This is actually wrong... the law hasn’t changed you can still go to jail for 25 years for killing someone. The law has not changed to 6 years... the laws haven’t been made weaker, they are the same as twenty years ago it’s just the magistrates don’t give the same sentences.

So your example is completely untrue so I don’t know how you can relate this to the Folau matter


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on June 06, 2019, 10:35:02 PM
This is understood. It is also part of the point. It is already there that you don't  have the same or accepted religious beliefs then you can be not considered .

Another part of the point. He has made it religious expression as you put it. If he wins it's  in the legal system. There is always flow ons from legal case outcomes. Others will want to use outcomes for their own benefits. Will it be used for exclusions in other forms?  My point is not just on employment. It has already been reported that students not being accepted because of their sexual orientation, people not being accepted into church groups.

Out of battery finish my rant later

I think if he wins there will be some implications, but not much in the area's you are mentioning. I'd be interested to read any reports though of student's being turned away due to their sexual orientation as I haven't heard of any.

The likely changes that would stem from this would be far more nuanced and involve most institutions (especially sporting) reviewing their similar codes of conduct, Any precedent would likely only apply in a pretty narrow set of circumstances though. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Pete79 on June 07, 2019, 05:25:17 AM
It has started already....
Young boy suspended from school for wearing gay pride symbol. (https://www.9news.com.au/national/a-current-affair-state-of-origin-student-blues-jersey-sent-home-queensland-school-latest-news-australia/3a99ea98-7e8f-4fbc-83dd-2146b2e2296f)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: plusnq on June 07, 2019, 05:35:27 AM
It has started already....
Young boy suspended from school for wearing gay pride symbol. (https://www.9news.com.au/national/a-current-affair-state-of-origin-student-blues-jersey-sent-home-queensland-school-latest-news-australia/3a99ea98-7e8f-4fbc-83dd-2146b2e2296f)

Hahaha Fake news
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 07, 2019, 05:55:07 AM
I'm too busy enjoying life to worry about half the crap that goes on in the world.

Another classic car arriving today for a small repair.

Going to do it for free while the 70 year old waits and watches.

Who got sacked for what.... fffhhhtttt, who fu**in cares.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on June 07, 2019, 09:40:32 AM
I'm too busy enjoying life to worry about half the crap that goes on in the world.

It's not a bad attitude to have to be honest.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: dogbox on June 07, 2019, 10:10:30 AM
Hahaha Fake news

might be like the one about the lad who wore his blues jumper to school in queensland an got suspended
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: corndog on June 07, 2019, 10:14:24 AM
This is actually wrong... the law hasn’t changed you can still go to jail for 25 years for killing someone. The law has not changed to 6 years... the laws haven’t been made weaker, they are the same as twenty years ago it’s just the magistrates don’t give the same sentences.

So your example is completely untrue so I don’t know how you can relate this to the Folau matter


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What your not seeing in that is that previous outcomes affect future outcomes. Every time some had their sentence reduced leads to the next case using it to reduce ttheir sentence. That sentence now is used to reduce the next sentance, so on so on. What's  to say that if his case is run and won on a religious belief defence, that someone will not pick it up and use  it for their own. Out comes are always twisted and turned to suit those that are using them.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on June 07, 2019, 10:58:54 AM
What your not seeing in that is that previous outcomes affect future outcomes. Every time some had their sentence reduced leads to the next case using it to reduce ttheir sentence. That sentence now is used to reduce the next sentance, so on so on. What's  to say that if his case is run and won on a religious belief defence, that someone will not pick it up and use  it for their own. Out comes are always twisted and turned to suit those that are using them.

Yes, precedents play into judges decisions, but only for comparable cases. If Folau wins, the case could be used where someone who is clearly very religious (not just claiming it after the fact as an excuse) has had the employment contract terminated based on them practising their religion even though what they were doing was in breach of their contract. Due to this, the case has pretty limited wider applications. 
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: JusyApples on June 07, 2019, 11:15:49 AM
What your not seeing in that is that previous outcomes affect future outcomes. Every time some had their sentence reduced leads to the next case using it to reduce ttheir sentence. That sentence now is used to reduce the next sentance, so on so on. What's  to say that if his case is run and won on a religious belief defence, that someone will not pick it up and use  it for their own. Out comes are always twisted and turned to suit those that are using them.
Different matters have different aggravating and mitigating factors.


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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bird on June 07, 2019, 02:53:55 PM
Just dont cross your arms near a cop at night

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An assault charge against a Ballarat police officer who punched his neighbour has been dismissed by a magistrate.

Sergeant David Berry had been on trial for assaulting his neighbour Samantha Mitchell in the early hours of May 4, 2017.


....

Sergeant Berry said he had approached the victim after he saw someone outside his house late at night, chasing her down the street.

He said she had stopped, he caught up with her, and had her arms crossed, responding "whatever Dave" when he asked what was going on.

He said she raised her arms quickly and he had punched her in the face.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/reasonable-cop-s-assault-charge-for-punching-neighbour-dismissed-20190607-p51vj9.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/reasonable-cop-s-assault-charge-for-punching-neighbour-dismissed-20190607-p51vj9.html)
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on June 07, 2019, 04:48:35 PM
Just dont cross your arms near a cop at night

  Pride of the force
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on June 07, 2019, 05:31:04 PM
Sadly they found the body of the missing 2 year old in North Queensland.  Found in a dam on the property. Very sad to here of youngens being taken away too early. Parents must be distraught.  RIP.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: xcvator on June 07, 2019, 07:46:51 PM
Me and my wobbly box are getting closer, but I'm not telling you where I'm going to cross your precious border  :-*
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: tryagain on June 07, 2019, 10:39:12 PM
Me and my wobbly box are getting closer, but I'm not telling you where I'm going to cross your precious border  :-*



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Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Bigfish on June 08, 2019, 08:20:13 AM
Me and my wobbly box are getting closer, but I'm not telling you where I'm going to cross your precious border  :-*


hahaha...Dont worry...our whinge detectors will flush you out!!
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: bobnrob on June 08, 2019, 10:31:20 AM
Sadly they found the body of the missing 2 year old in North Queensland.  Found in a dam on the property. Very sad to here of youngens being taken away too early. Parents must be distraught.  RIP.

So sad   :'(
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Paddler Ed on June 08, 2019, 10:37:26 AM
Bad Obsession motorsport have a new video out - that's some good news... now to wait until Rage finishes, and then put that on.
Title: Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
Post by: Spada on June 09, 2019, 07:08:58 AM
Bad Obsession motorsport have a new video out - that's some good news... now to wait until Rage finishes, and then put that on.