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Title: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Ben... on February 05, 2010, 01:06:21 PM
These things have got me interested, so where do you get them? i can see a few on ebay, they range from 20.00 to 40.00 but all the nutserts ive seen so far all look AF on ebay? I assume you can buy these things pretty easy locally?
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: darren on February 05, 2010, 01:09:36 PM
Ben
funny you say that as in my hand right now is my new ratchet DFS rivnut tool, It goes from 6 to 12 and costs about 450 bucks. I also have the smaller plier tipe that goes up to 6 and i think they are just over 100 odd.
 You can get by with out one if you only have a few to do but its a pain.
 nutserts and rivnuts can be bought from bolt suppliers and places like Blackwoods
Darren
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: TOY80ST on February 05, 2010, 02:03:25 PM
Ben
funny you say that as in my hand right now is my new ratchet DFS rivnut tool, It goes from 6 to 12 and costs about 450 bucks. I also have the smaller plier tipe that goes up to 6 and i think they are just over 100 odd.
 You can get by with out one if you only have a few to do but its a pain.
 nutserts and rivnuts can be bought from bolt suppliers and places like Blackwoods
Darren

Darren, Did you get them from Blackwoods and if so would you have the part number (or page number) for the rivnut pliers? ;) I have to make all the edgeing for the front and sides of by trailer and I am thinking of using rivnuts to do it so I don't have the try and access the inside of the trailer.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Matto on February 05, 2010, 02:18:35 PM
I'm not going to lie to you, they are an awesome tool!!!  ;D ;D ;D

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_8EWXeskixSE/SwPnC37wprI/AAAAAAAAM9U/X_IAsG9CgiQ/s800/PB180006.JPG)

I got mine from NQ Fasteners here in town. Was about $370, from memory. I tried Blackwoods, but they didn't have any, would have to order it in, and they'd never seen one so couldn't even tell me anything about it. You might have better luck.

Mine's just the plier-style one, but is in metric. Came with a bunch of nutserts in 4mm, 5mm, 6mm, 8mm and 10mm, from memory. Have had no trouble squeezing down the big 10mm ones. But the ratchet style one would be easier if you were doing a lot of them.

When I was looking to buy, I found a heap of Ebay US listings for them, with ali and steel rivnuts in metric and AF. Almost bought one form overseas and saved some $$$s, but needed it right then and there, so picked it up locally. The only problem with it is I need to come up with more projects to use it! It's great!

Good luck!
Matto :)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: darren on February 05, 2010, 02:25:40 PM
TOY80ST
Page 03-73 of the new book

 i got the ratchet one from Glade, as thats who does our fasteners
Darren
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Ben... on February 05, 2010, 02:28:50 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nut-Riveter-3mm-4mm-5mm-6mm-Rivnut-Inserts-Rivet_W0QQitemZ160397629547QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Hand_Tools_Equipment?hash=item255871986b

found this one on ebay about 31.00 AUD+ delivery
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: darren on February 05, 2010, 02:30:47 PM
My smaller one 'Looks ' like that
 cant help you on what its like though
Not a lot to loose
 Thats from UK though????
Darren
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Broady on February 05, 2010, 03:17:58 PM
Ah, i just so happens i spent some time on this a few weeks ago.  ;) ;)

Beware of cheaper tools that are supplied with aluminium bits (gasweld sell these for 60 or 70 bucks). If you use them on steel the pivot points deform and you'll wreck it in minutes. I have a Fascor hand tool that came with 50 odd bits and a bag, does M4, M5 and M6 and if i remember correctly was about 140 bucks or so.

Its an awesome tool and spares are available for it. I bought mine from a big tool shop in Fyshwick (ACT) but i know Nepean Boltmaster in Penrith carry them.

They are an awesome tool.... change that to my favourite DIY tool!
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Matto on February 05, 2010, 03:26:00 PM
Oooh - while I think of it - the only real "trick" when using the rivnuts is after you've drilled the hole to accept the rivnet, grab a small file and key a notch in one side of the hole. That way, if you go to unscrew a bolt that was screwed in too tightly, the rivnut won't just spin in the hole. I got lazy and didn't do this on a couple that I did, and paid the price pretty much straight away.

From the sounds of things, it looks like I paid too much for my kit! Still happy with what I've got, since it came with a whole bunch of nutserts themselves, which will pretty much last me forever.

Thanks!
Matto :)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: TOY80ST on February 05, 2010, 03:33:11 PM
TOY80st
Page 03-73 of the new book

 i got the ratchet one from Glade, as thats who does our fasteners
Darren

ordered him, but went for the pneumatic one instead ;D
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Ben... on February 05, 2010, 03:36:08 PM
pneumatic... bet that stung?
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: darren on February 05, 2010, 05:03:16 PM
On the spinning nutserts, get the knurled ones. they solve that problem
Darren
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: TOY80ST on February 05, 2010, 07:49:06 PM
pneumatic... bet that stung?

Not me  ;D . The workshop needed one to fix covers on the sides of one of our job's that we do quite reguarly and we always weld nuts to the back side. When we weld the nuts on it burns the gal away and we are trying to avoid using never seize on them because the guys forget to put it on and next time we try too take them off they are stuck on the lase time we did the job we used nuserts and one of my guys bought his hand one in from home. I have bad wrists and couldn't pull it but the guys are fine with it. Don't worry it will get a work out at home I expect. I have 72 of the 10mm ones to put in my camper so this will be ideal  ;D.

It was $458 +
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: darren on February 06, 2010, 04:59:05 AM
Check this out  
http://www.ovesco.com.au/products.php?catname=Threaded%20Inserts&cat=8&sub=32&subname=Threaded%20Insert%20Tooling
 The two handled job is like my new one.
Hope that helps
Darren
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: gronk on February 06, 2010, 08:09:46 AM
Used a few different sorts when I was doing a bit of train making.....the last one in the catologue was similar to the one we used for most of the jobs...although for bigger nutserts ( 16mm and bigger ) there was a big mother especially for them..
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: D4D on February 06, 2010, 08:29:48 AM
Always up for a new toy, what about this kit?
http://www.ovesco.com.au/products.php?catname=Marson&cat=42&sub=74&subname=Marson Tooling

(http://www.ovesco.com.au/images/products/prod_5586_1896-22_P1.jpg)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Ben... on February 06, 2010, 08:35:38 AM
that kits looks alright huh, good price.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: D4D on February 06, 2010, 08:37:30 AM
Yeah for the price I could get one for that job I don't know about yet  ;D
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Ben... on February 06, 2010, 08:48:59 AM
mmm that site is dangerous, far too many good things to buy, draw slides, gas struts....
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: andreww on February 17, 2010, 09:10:04 AM
I know this is a late reply, but I received a Gasweld catalogue in the mail the other day.  There was a Nutsert tool and assorted nutserts up to 6mm for $100.

https://ishop.gasweld.com.au/ishop/stock/item/524363

I borrowed one off a mate ages ago, and it looks very much the same as this.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: B&B on June 11, 2010, 07:15:40 PM
Was thinking about getting one of these to finish off some wiring in the rear of the wagon.  However, a pit $exi for the little I have to do, so will make do with screws, washers and nyloc nuts.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: TOY80ST on June 11, 2010, 07:47:55 PM
Barry,

You can put them in with out the tool you have to make the hole slightly smaller so that they will need to be tapped in and then put the nutset in and tighten a bolt into it. Make sure you use the knurled ones though so they dont turn when you are putting them in. I have only ever tried 6mm ones this way with sucess. The 8mm or larger may prove difficult. I have about 60 to do so the tool was the only way to go. I was in Ovesco today and was druelling over their machines. I had a close look at the one that darren bought it would have to be the pick of the manual ones available there.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Couchpotato on June 16, 2010, 09:19:51 PM
Does anyone know if they make stainless steel inserts maybe for marine applications.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: buff on June 16, 2010, 09:52:04 PM
Does anyone know if they make stainless steel inserts maybe for marine applications.


yes ... http://www.acumentaustralia.com.au/eurosert_39002.html
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: griz066 on June 16, 2010, 10:20:06 PM
We used a similar thing years ago building air seeders but they were called Huck Bolts.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: theflyingbadger on June 17, 2010, 10:13:42 PM
yes ... http://www.acumentaustralia.com.au/eurosert_39002.html


so is that a specialised tool for putting them in, or is it just (effectively) a bolt in a drill?
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: theflyingbadger on June 17, 2010, 10:24:58 PM
Has anyone had a go with anything like this (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Rivnut-Rivetnut-Nutsert-Fitting-tool-M4-M5-M6-Kit-car-/380237406842?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item5887ea627a)?
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: GSK33 on June 18, 2010, 08:37:31 AM
Anyone else had a go at these in the side of a Jayco Swan? Wanting to make some dust covers to bolt over the three vents on the side of the van and bolt them on using these type of nuts. Just wanting to know the size, style and gear needed.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: theflyingbadger on June 18, 2010, 08:49:42 AM
I think briann did on his hawk, it's all in a "my camper trailer" thread somewhere
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: GSK33 on June 18, 2010, 12:21:07 PM
I think briann did on his hawk, it's all in a "my camper trailer" thread somewhere
Yeah thanks badger, i've asked him for more detail but he must be busy camping  ;D Just thought there would be more people on here that have used them on a swan or Jayco. Brain's dust solution looks like a great idea, i'm just needed more info on how hard and what i need for the rivnut idea.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Matto on June 19, 2010, 12:16:25 PM
For everyone contemplating getting a Nutsert kit - just go and do it. Mine has quickly become my favourite tool in the shed, and I've been using it roughly twice a month on odd-jobs. Mine looks like that Ovesco kit, and was around $300 from memory. I would not suspect mine is any better than that Ovesco kit though - I'd be happy with it. Absolutely fabulous tool to have.

While you can set the inserts with a bolt and nut, I'd recommend getting a proper insert tool - it makes the job so much easier. That ratchet tool that TFB posted a couple back looks very interesting, and great for getting into hard-to-reach places. But for ease of use, I don't think you can go past the pop-rivet-gun style ones. Of, for those who are happy to use them only in your shed, an air gun would be the go.

Last weekend I used mine to attach the number plate to the father-in-law's new camper - a million and one uses!

thanks!
Matto :)
Title: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Dion on June 19, 2010, 05:39:32 PM
I have been meaning to get one ... What's a good kit?
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: D4D on January 14, 2011, 10:12:49 PM
I just purchased this kit from Ovesco for $148.50. They finally got the metric kit back in stock.

(http://ovesco.com.au/images/products/prod_5587_1896-23_P1.jpg)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: welchygq on January 15, 2011, 04:25:29 PM
I just purchased this kit from Ovesco for $148.50. They finally got the metric kit back in stock.

(http://ovesco.com.au/images/products/prod_5587_1896-23_P1.jpg)


same one as i've got - no problems, and good price
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Haggy on January 18, 2011, 04:56:56 PM
Trade tools in this weeks Sunday mail had a kit advertised for $45 came with a range of inserts...my old man picked one up for me on Monday will get it on Thursday. Worth a look for those shopping around.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: BigJules on January 18, 2011, 06:13:23 PM
This has become one of my favourite tools. It makes for such a neat job.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: D4D on January 18, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
I wish I could say I had mine. I received a call from Ovesco saying they 'had sold the last one' and I have to wait until next month now. If it says 'in stock' on your web site that means you have it available to sell.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: V8TL8 on January 18, 2011, 11:08:36 PM
I wish I could say I had mine. I received a call from Ovesco saying they 'had sold the last one' and I have to wait until next month now. If it says 'in stock' on your web site that means you have it available to sell.

A MONTH? So where do they order them from? Be quicker and cheaper to go to source.

Quick question for all: do these tools all do aluminium and Steel and stainless nuts? Not just the ali ones?

Best not to go too cheap I guess: my first rivet tool from Bunnings caved in on my first rivet: made in China! Wish we could send it back to where it came from so they can fill their own landfill with their own C#$*.

Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Matto on January 19, 2011, 09:05:45 AM
Jules - you're dead right - I love my kit - it's just so handy.

D4D - that's no good mate, but it will be worth the wait. I hear your point about the website being accurate, but I have this suspicion that Ovesco aren't as big an operation as their website maybe suggests. Once you get the kit, your woes will be forgotten!  ;D After all - it's under half the price of what I paid for my kit, and looks to be largely the same. That's worth waiting for in my books!

V8TL8 - My kit only came with steel inserts, but I want to get my hands on some assorted stainless and ali ones to use out in the weather. So far it's not been a problem, but it would be handy to have the variety available. I see no reason why the rivet gun wouldn't be able to set the different inserts. I would expect that a gun (and the inserts) made for steel would be able to set any of the other inserts with no problems. Potentially if you bought a kit for aluminium inserts it might have lighter weight setting inserts? I'd expect all the guns to be exactly the same though.

Thanks!
Matto :)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Matto on January 24, 2011, 09:15:17 AM
So I've done the unthinkable, and have broken my nutsert gun.  :'(

Setting a bunch of 4mm inserts on the camper yesterday, I must have been just plain squeezing too hard. ??? Long story short, the 4mm mandrel broke off inside one of the inserts, leaving me with a broken mandrel in the gun, an insert complete with broken tip set inside the camper body, and another 10 empty holes already drilled waiting to be filled. I've got to ring the importer in half an hour, and see if they carry any spare parts, such as replacement mandrels, and how many arms and legs they'll charge.

Word to the wise - when setting your inserts - don't squeeze them in too hard  :-[

EDIT - called the supplier - David at ProFast was very helpful. I now have a new 4mm mandrel on it's way to me. David advised that they do see a bit of breakage on the smaller (3mm and 4mm) mandrels, simply because they're very small due to the size of the inserts that they're setting, and thus not as strong. His advice was to be *very* careful to ensure that the gun was kept exactly perpendicular to the surface when setting the smaller nutserts, otherwise you're prone to snapping the mandrel (as I've done). Also, not to set them with much force, or you'll tear the thread off the end of the mandrel. When you tighten up the bolt, it'll crimp down the nutsert nice and tight anyway - the gun just needs to seat it so it won't rotate. So I promised not to be so hamfisted in future, and to pay more attention to the orientation of the gun when using the smaller inserts. I'm just happy that I was able to get the part replaced, and that I don't need to buy a whole new kit! Nice one ProFast!

Thanks!
Matto  :(
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: D4D on January 31, 2011, 05:47:13 PM
Good outcome and thanks for the tip on the smaller mandrels.

Ovesco called me today and said my kit was in the mail. I couldn't resist and bought this too :)

(http://ovesco.com.au/images/products/prod_5681_1640-02_P1.jpg)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: D4D on February 04, 2011, 08:23:44 PM
I finally have my nutsert kit :) What edition of CTT was Broadys article about how to use them?
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Silvo on February 04, 2011, 08:26:17 PM
Good outcome and thanks for the tip on the smaller mandrels.

Ovesco called me today and said my kit was in the mail. I couldn't resist and bought this too :)

(http://ovesco.com.au/images/products/prod_5681_1640-02_P1.jpg)


that looks like something from a medical lab, for taking samples the way that hurts way too much..
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: D4D on February 12, 2011, 07:20:03 AM
I finally have my nutsert kit :) What edition of CTT was Broadys article about how to use them?

It was edition 5, answering my own question  :laugh:

Where do people buy the rivnuts from? I got some with the kit but I want to buy more. Ovesco sell them but is their an easier/cheaper way?

Oh and the rivet gun is magnificent, it is effortless compare to my old hand riveter.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Gunna Do on February 12, 2011, 07:48:31 AM
Could someone do a rivnut/nutsert 101 type post with a few pics of the inserts as well as a step by step on how they are used and where they are used.

I've got a bit of an idea but a few pics of the various steps would be great.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: GGV8Cruza on February 12, 2011, 08:58:36 AM
There are a lot of videos on youtube if you search "rivnut"

GG
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: D4D on February 26, 2011, 12:06:59 PM
Could someone do a rivnut/nutsert 101 type post with a few pics of the inserts as well as a step by step on how they are used and where they are used.

I've got a bit of an idea but a few pics of the various steps would be great.

x2 I just tried some M6 with less than good results
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Matto on February 28, 2011, 09:04:17 AM
What problems are you guys having with them? Maybe I've just not used mine enough, but my process has always been along the lines of:

1) Drill hole
2) put in rivnut
3) ???
4) Profit!!!

OK - given my usual OCD tenancies, it's not that simple. Between step 1 and 2 I take a baby (IE, 2mm x 7mm) square-edge file and file a "keyway" in the side of the hole I've just drilled. Reason being to give the rivnut itself something to squish into and key itself into. I read that this is what aircraft manufacturers do, as it stops the rivnut itself rotating in the hole when to do up or undo the bolt. However talking to people who do a lot more nutserting than I, they assure me that this is not a necessary step. I still do it anyway, see the above OCD comment.

I usually put a decent layer of paint down on the freshly drilled hole, and then another one over the set rivnut as well. The inserts I'm currently using are gal steel, so don't strictly need it, however I figure that in deforming them I'm potentially flaking off some of the coating, so it's worth the extra 20 mins that it takes the paint to dry.

Other than that, it's just a matter really of keeping the nutsert gun nice and perpendicular to the surface that you're setting the insert into, otherwise you run the risk of either stripping the mandrel or breaking it, as I have already done. This is easier said that done, especially on the bigger inserts when you're squeezing hard, and working on odd angles to start with. It requires a lot of concentration (well, for me it does).  The breakthrough for me came when talking to the importer of the tool, who told me not to use too much pressure when using the gun to set the inserts - just use enough to stop the insert rotating. then when you tighten up the bolt into it, it will have the effect of squeezing down the insert tight, and it a much easier and safer way of achieving the same result. By putting so much pressure through the gun I was simply making it hard for myself, and risking damaging the tool.

What's other people's experiences?

Thanks!
Matto :)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: D4D on February 28, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
I was not able to 'set' the rivnut no matter how hard I squeezed the handles together.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: GGV8Cruza on February 28, 2011, 10:52:29 AM
Occasionally after trying to set the Rivnut as far as possible I have had to wind the mandrel piece further in to be able to pull up the last bit of slack

GG
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Matto on March 02, 2011, 09:29:15 AM
GG - this is exactly what I was doing when I broke the mandrel in mine  :-X . When I asked about this process, that's when they told me it shouldn't be necessary, and I was probably trying to put too much force through the gun. Not saying don't do it, just be careful :'(.

D4D - Sounds like you need to play with the adjustment settings on your gun a bit. To be honest, I'm not that good at getting the gun set right myself. There's about three different things that seem to affect how "deeply" I can set an insert for a given amount of squeeze, and I've just not used it enough to really work out how they interplay.

Do you have the same problem using your air tool? Or is it just for normal rivets? (my ignorance of air tools is showing here...)

I'm afraid you have shown my oversimplified process to be obviously oversimplified, and I have no good answer for you! When I next have need to use it, I'll have an experiment with my gun and see if I can work out a combination of settings that result in a deeper "set".

I refuse to be stumped by a glorified pair of pliers!
Matto :)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Bird on August 26, 2012, 11:31:34 PM
Might have to invest in one of these myself... only need to do 6 holes though :(

ONce you "rivet" the nut into place, is there much sticking out the underneath section??
EG: can you get 'shallow' Rivnuts?
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: jwb on August 27, 2012, 12:36:21 AM
about 5 mm ?
Trade tools had one on special for approx $30 not long ago IIRC

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Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Matto on August 27, 2012, 09:12:17 AM
Might have to invest in one of these myself... only need to do 6 holes though :(

If you're only doing 6, there's a couple of tricks you can use. You can squeeze the rivnut down using just a bolt and nut, which is the cheapest but fiddliest way. Destructions here : http://www.fjr1300.info/howto/rivnut-tool.html (http://www.fjr1300.info/howto/rivnut-tool.html)

Alternatively, there's a special tool that you can get that uses a spanner or allen key to basically do the same thing. It's slower than the pop-rivet-style gun, but only about $8 from memory. Half way down this page - "Hand Insert Tools": http://ovesco.com.au/products.php?catname=Threaded%20Inserts%20and%20Tooling&cat=8&sub=32&subname=Threaded%20Insert%20Tooling (http://ovesco.com.au/products.php?catname=Threaded%20Inserts%20and%20Tooling&cat=8&sub=32&subname=Threaded%20Insert%20Tooling)

Or find someone local and borrow their gun.

Cheers!
Matto :)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: GGV8Cruza on August 27, 2012, 09:22:00 AM
Might have to invest in one of these myself... only need to do 6 holes though :(

ONce you "rivet" the nut into place, is there much sticking out the underneath section??
EG: can you get 'shallow' Rivnuts?

For 6 rivnuts come round and use mine

GG
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: MADCOW on August 27, 2012, 09:28:35 AM
Darren, Did you get them from Blackwoods and if so would you have the part number (or page number) for the rivnut pliers? ;) I have to make all the edgeing for the front and sides of by trailer and I am thinking of using rivnuts to do it so I don't have the try and access the inside of the trailer.


Here ya go

http://www.blackwoods.com.au/search?q=NUTSERT (http://www.blackwoods.com.au/search?q=NUTSERT)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: xcvator on August 27, 2012, 12:02:18 PM
Here is a diy version, pretty simple Economy rivet nut nutsert rivnut installation tool. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzZc9FZ-pfo#)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: briann532 on August 28, 2012, 04:54:56 PM
If anyone needs to borrow one in sydney north west, give us a call.
Plenty of nutserts, both imperial and metric

Brian
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Bird on September 15, 2016, 10:06:10 AM
Question on Rivnut inserts - if the hole drilled is 8mm, what size is the bolt used?
basically I need to go from 8mm hole to 6mm bolt to fit me awning on roofrack...
or will I have to make up a stepdown washer like this?
(http://www.generich.com/grs/Assets/ProductImages/w442.jpg)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: theflyingbadger on September 15, 2016, 10:24:38 AM
a nutsert for a 6mm bolt needs a 9.5mm hole.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Tim - Stratford on September 15, 2016, 10:25:28 AM
Drill or file out existing hole to 9mm for a 6mm Rivnut/M6 bolt.

http://www.anzor.com.au/threaded-insert-dimensions (http://www.anzor.com.au/threaded-insert-dimensions)


Tim
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: theflyingbadger on September 15, 2016, 10:27:52 AM

http://www.anzor.com.au/threaded-insert-dimensions (http://www.anzor.com.au/threaded-insert-dimensions)



excellent link Tim. I'm always struggling with what size hole I need once I veer away from my favourite 6mm!
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Green rv on September 15, 2016, 11:01:40 AM
If anyone needs to borrow one in sydney north west, give us a call.
Plenty of nutserts, both imperial and metric

Brian

i also have one in brisbane
if anyone needs
i have most metric sizes
( i would nutsert pictures to the wall if i could these things are awesome )

 :cheers:
Adam
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: rags on September 15, 2016, 05:36:52 PM
i also have one in brisbane
if anyone needs
i have most metric sizes
( i would nutsert pictures to the wall if i could these things are awesome )

 :cheers:
Adam
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Thanks Adam, Will keep this in mind. I am over at Bribgeman Downs with the workshop to use it in
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: gronk on September 15, 2016, 06:44:44 PM
I have a bullbar with a 80mm diameter. Has anyone had success with a rivnut/nutsert on a curved surface ?
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: noel_w on September 15, 2016, 06:57:03 PM
I have a bullbar with a 80mm diameter. Has anyone had success with a rivnut/nutsert on a curved surface ?
Have heard of people using them on push bike frames so I guess they work ok. Depends on what you want to bolt on.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: rsteedman on September 15, 2016, 07:15:45 PM
I sell a cheap hand riveter style for $59. Includes a few rivnuts up to 6mm.

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Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Bird on September 15, 2016, 07:28:54 PM
I sell a cheap hand riveter style for $59. Includes a few rivnuts up to 6mm.
any info photos URL?
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on September 15, 2016, 07:36:56 PM
If you want to wait for it?

http://www.ebay.com.au/bhp/nutsert-tool (http://www.ebay.com.au/bhp/nutsert-tool)
https://www.blackwoods.com.au/search/nut-threaded-inserts-and-tools/202003586 (https://www.blackwoods.com.au/search/nut-threaded-inserts-and-tools/202003586)
http://www.spearandjackson.com.au/products/EC-2745 (http://www.spearandjackson.com.au/products/EC-2745)

If you want it tomorrow.

https://www.bunnings.com.au/kincrome-85-piece-single-handle-blind-nut-riveter-kit_p5910345 (https://www.bunnings.com.au/kincrome-85-piece-single-handle-blind-nut-riveter-kit_p5910345)

How it's done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz2yZNqGNqo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz2yZNqGNqo)
Title: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Pete79 on September 15, 2016, 08:06:13 PM
I have a bullbar with a 80mm diameter. Has anyone had success with a rivnut/nutsert on a curved surface ?
I have used them on stainless steel tube handrail uprights (with a manual hand pump tool for fixing).
Just have to take a little time to make sure your fitting is pulling through at the right angle from center of the tube.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: gronk on September 15, 2016, 10:50:50 PM
Have heard of people using them on push bike frames so I guess they work ok. Depends on what you want to bolt on.

Thinking of a lightbar !
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Green rv on September 16, 2016, 07:27:09 AM
I have a bullbar with a 80mm diameter. Has anyone had success with a rivnut/nutsert on a curved surface ?

i've used them on 60mm alloy and steel and work ok

 :cheers:
Adam
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: jclures on September 16, 2016, 07:42:38 AM
I have been using this one they are easy to use even though I need to use two hands. ;D

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/M8-Blind-Rivet-Nut-Nutsert-Rivnut-Manual-Insertion-Tool-MiniSert-/251678618705 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/M8-Blind-Rivet-Nut-Nutsert-Rivnut-Manual-Insertion-Tool-MiniSert-/251678618705)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Troopy_03 on September 16, 2016, 01:22:17 PM
I have been using this one they are easy to use even though I need to use two hands. ;D

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/M8-Blind-Rivet-Nut-Nutsert-Rivnut-Manual-Insertion-Tool-MiniSert-/251678618705 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/M8-Blind-Rivet-Nut-Nutsert-Rivnut-Manual-Insertion-Tool-MiniSert-/251678618705)


They'd store easy in the drawers for a long trip away too. I've got one of the hand riveter style ones, and a few years back when I was fitting storage drawers to the troopy, using mostly M6 nutcerts, it was very hard on the hands (mayby I just have girly hands  ??? ). I ended up using one of the Irwin quick grip clamps to pull them up.

The best tool I've used is the air powered drill type tool, similar to this https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Rivet-Nut-Tool_493254298.html (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Rivet-Nut-Tool_493254298.html)
And I've fitted a lot of staino rivnuts with one of them.
followed by the ratchet style. like this one http://www.rivtec.com.au/151-pop-pnt210-hand-tool-for-rivet-nuts-ratchet-type-m6-m12 (http://www.rivtec.com.au/151-pop-pnt210-hand-tool-for-rivet-nuts-ratchet-type-m6-m12)
But these are a lot slower.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: moose2367 on September 16, 2016, 03:30:53 PM
I have a few different rivnut tools.
The old rivet gun type, lever type http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201479638998 , drill attachment and an air operated one,  which I haven't used yet.

The lever type is the best I have found, when room permits.

I have them all over the oka from the engine conversion, Good for clamping hoses and wiring to.  Dash panels, panel in fills etc.

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Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: rsteedman on September 16, 2016, 08:30:37 PM
any info photos URL?
Sorry for the delay.
https://www.tradetools.com/product-range/hand-tools/general-hand-tools/force-96pc-nut-fastener-kit


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Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: cassgazz on September 17, 2016, 07:47:13 PM
( i would nutsert pictures to the wall if i could these things are awesome )


Haha. Thats how I attached the kids towel rails to the walls of out steel framed house. Definitely not coming off now.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Burnsy on September 17, 2016, 10:07:38 PM
I have a bullbar with a 80mm diameter. Has anyone had success with a rivnut/nutsert on a curved surface ?

Put a 12 mm one in the round drop leg (about 25mm diameter) on my new swing out carrier on the camprite, Once it was in I just hammered the two edges that protruded from the round surface over to follow the pipe surface.

By the way, I use an air ratchet with a corresponding bolt and sleeve to fit nutserts, easy and free.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: gronk on September 18, 2016, 06:08:56 PM
Put a 12 mm one in the round drop leg (about 25mm diameter) on my new swing out carrier on the camprite, Once it was in I just hammered the two edges that protruded from the round surface over to follow the pipe surface.

By the way, I use an air ratchet with a corresponding bolt and sleeve to fit nutserts, easy and free.

I inserted one ( for practice ) using the home made type of tool and wasn't happy with the "tightness" of the finished result.

Wouldn't be happy if one was a failure in a bullbar ? Ugly trying to drill it back out ?
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Burnsy on September 18, 2016, 11:28:03 PM
I inserted one ( for practice ) using the home made type of tool and wasn't happy with the "tightness" of the finished result.

Wouldn't be happy if one was a failure in a bullbar ? Ugly trying to drill it back out ?

There are a few variations on the home made option. There is no way I could get it any tighter with an off the shelf tool. The key is using and air ratchet though, I tried with a manual ratchet and with two spanners but it doesn't get tight that way as you wrench them around to much. Air ratchet was a $49 ryobi bunnings job, has paid for itself many times over in a matter of a month.  I will post a video of mine in action.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Bird on May 18, 2018, 11:40:45 AM
https://www.bunnings.com.au/search/products?q=riv-nut&redirectFrom=Any (https://www.bunnings.com.au/search/products?q=riv-nut&redirectFrom=Any)

Anyone tried one of these?

The EZI-RIV Riveter Drill Attachment is a universal drill attachment making it easy to apply rivets to various materials; Ideal for vehicle restoration, vehicle storage / rack installations, aeronautical / marine applications, and caravan & camping applications. The EZI-RIV Riveter Drill Attachment is extremely easy to use, reducing user fatigue.
 •Suitable for: Aluminium, Steel & Stainless Steel rivets
•Max drill RPM: 1000RPM
•Hex Shank: 1/4" (6.35mm)
•Minimum torque strength: 15Nm
•Sizes: M3, M4, M5, and M6.


https://www.bunnings.com.au/kincrome-ezi-riv-nut-riveter-drill-attachment_p6270827 (https://www.bunnings.com.au/kincrome-ezi-riv-nut-riveter-drill-attachment_p6270827)
(https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-1600x1600/a9bfa684-f9de-431a-aedc-3a08befd69f2.jpg)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: edz on May 18, 2018, 11:47:11 AM
I havent used one, but a mate had one [ Till another tradie borrowed it permanently ] he reckoned it worked quite good, but had to be careful when using the rivnuts in thin sheet as they could spin ..
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Pottsy on May 18, 2018, 12:10:42 PM
Lots around in various brands, can be a bit hit and miss from my experience.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: #jonesy on May 19, 2018, 10:04:51 AM
What is the typical size most of you are using? 6 or 8mm

Just thinking I need a new toy  ;D
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: macca on May 19, 2018, 11:16:06 AM
What is the typical size most of you are using? 6 or 8mm

Just thinking I need a new toy  ;D
I am building a trailer ATM and think the nutsert gun is the best tool i have bought in a long time. My biggest use is 5mm, but i use 3,4,5 and 6mm, and have used heaps

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Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: sparksy on May 19, 2018, 11:47:45 AM
Ive found instead of using normal drillbits to drill the holes for rivnuts. use a stepped drill bit similar to this.
(https://www.totaltools.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/image/615x615/e9c3970ab036de70892d86c6d221abfe/1/0/109140_MILWAUKEE_12MMStepDrillHero1_48899301_1000x1000.jpg)
definitely gives a better fit than normal bits.
Cant find a link to my set but its in 0.5mm increments  but the 1mm works ok.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Bird on August 27, 2019, 02:46:03 PM
revisiting this

Is there any advantage of one style over the other in these

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2bIAAOSw3vNdVLdF/s-l1600.jpg)
v
(https://www.totaltools.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/1/1/116903-endeavour-heavy-duty-riveter-rivnut-rivbolt-hero-et9631.jpg)
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: paceman on August 27, 2019, 02:58:09 PM
here's a real world review of the kinchrome version...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwd7ML0c6Mw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwd7ML0c6Mw)

i've followed this bloke's channel for a while, mainly for the pajero stuff, but he does good reviews for tools and camping gear as well...
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Troopy_03 on August 27, 2019, 06:54:18 PM
here's a real world review of the kinchrome version...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwd7ML0c6Mw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwd7ML0c6Mw)

i've followed this bloke's channel for a while, mainly for the pajero stuff, but he does good reviews for tools and camping gear as well...

I got a very similar one, if not exactly the same, from one of the market tool guys at Tocal Field Days (farmer's trade show) for around $40.00. Mine has M3,M4,M5,M6, and M8 mandrels, but they come in about half a dozen different kits, with different numbers and sizes of mandrels. Haven't used it in anger yet, but for the price it seems pretty good. Better than the one I got from Ovesco a few years ago for around $90.00.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: mike.c on August 27, 2019, 09:34:12 PM
Lots of options listed, so for completeness I thought I'd add the one I have.

It's made in Australia, and very simple to operate all the way up to 10mm without requiring power tool assistance. I have had this set for many years and it has given reliable service with no issues.

Direct Product Link: www.australtools (https://www.australtools.com.au/trade-quality-rivnut-tools/minisert-pro-manual-riv-nut-tool/)

Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: paceman on August 28, 2019, 06:39:23 AM
Lots of options listed, so for completeness I thought I'd add the one I have.

It's made in Australia, and very simple to operate all the way up to 10mm without requiring power tool assistance. I have had this set for many years and it has given reliable service with no issues.

Direct Product Link: www.australtools (https://www.australtools.com.au/trade-quality-rivnut-tools/minisert-pro-manual-riv-nut-tool/)

that one looks interesting, especially if you have only a limited amount of space to work in...
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Bird on August 28, 2019, 08:41:39 AM
that one looks interesting, especially if you have only a limited amount of space to work in...
that was the one thing I thought of with the large scissor looking one... confined space would be a killer... but otherwise, I think the leverage would make life much simpler.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: jclures on August 28, 2019, 08:55:30 AM
Lots of options listed, so for completeness I thought I'd add the one I have.

It's made in Australia, and very simple to operate all the way up to 10mm without requiring power tool assistance. I have had this set for many years and it has given reliable service with no issues.

Direct Product Link: www.australtools (https://www.australtools.com.au/trade-quality-rivnut-tools/minisert-pro-manual-riv-nut-tool/)

I used these tools during my camper build, and found they did everything I asked of them. That included the 10mm nutserts.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: paceman on August 28, 2019, 09:01:15 AM
that was the one thing I thought of with the large scissor looking one... confined space would be a killer... but otherwise, I think the leverage would make life much simpler.

i guess you would get the leverage from the length of spanner you used?

i would probably find it easier to use the spanner one than try and use the scissor one...
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: theflyingbadger on August 30, 2019, 11:16:23 AM
(https://www.totaltools.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/1/1/116903-endeavour-heavy-duty-riveter-rivnut-rivbolt-hero-et9631.jpg)

I've (fairly) recently bought myself the Kincrome version of this one (having finally killed my eBay cheapie) and i'm happyh with it's performance on the bigger end of the scale.

My grizzles with it are
 - being a heavy-handed sort of bloke - i've ripped the guts out out a few smaller (up to 6mm) nutserts because of the massive torque you generate (see "heavy-handed")
 - space. It can be a PITA to get into righter areas


That being said, i'm pretty sure i've got one of those ones that go onto your impact driver *SOMEWHERE* in my shed. That'll be easy to find then.....
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: Bird on August 30, 2019, 12:35:23 PM
Quote from: theflyingbadger
My grizzles with it are
 - being a heavy-handed sort of bloke - i've ripped the guts out out a few smaller (up to 6mm) nutserts because of the massive torque you generate (see "heavy-handed")
 - space. It can be a PITA to get into righter areas

heavy handed - and torque were my thoughts too..  but the red one has to be faster being red... :D
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: sharkcaver on August 30, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
I've (fairly) recently bought myself the Kincrome version of this one (having finally killed my eBay cheapie) and i'm happyh with it's performance on the bigger end of the scale.

My grizzles with it are
 - being a heavy-handed sort of bloke - i've ripped the guts out out a few smaller (up to 6mm) nutserts because of the massive torque you generate (see "heavy-handed")
 - space. It can be a PITA to get into righter areas


That being said, i'm pretty sure i've got one of those ones that go onto your impact driver *SOMEWHERE* in my shed. That'll be easy to find then.....

I'm with Jon (g'day old fella, long time no hear)

I also have the kinchrome large handle lever type. You have to be very gentle setting smaller rivnuts or you will pull the guts out of them and damage the supplied madrel. But they are ace on the larger ones. M6 or bigger on  the rivet gun type is a chore, particularly if using steel over ali rivnuts. The other disadvantage as stated. - you need a lot of real estate for the large handle type, but they set m8 and 10 with ease.

The minserts linked at austrltools look interesting indeed.

Just be wary of rivnuts. Any corrosion between bolt and rivnut and you will likely see the rivnut spin in its hole. My solution to that, create barrier protection by lubricating the bolt well and use serrated flange rivnuts.
Title: Re: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ?
Post by: griz066 on September 01, 2019, 06:50:24 AM
Kincrome also make one you attach to your drill. If space was an issue you could use a right angel drive attachment. They also make a pop riveter which i have and it is awesome, Have a look Here (https://www.bunnings.com.au/kincrome-ezi-riv-nut-riveter-drill-attachment_p6270827)