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Title: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 03, 2014, 08:35:42 PM
Not wanting to take over the RC cars thread I have decided to make one for flying things.
So post up your Radio controlled flying things and ask questions. I am only new to the RC world so I am learning as I go.
Here are some pics of my current toy. Will be building a Tricopter in a couple of weeks with Little Image No1
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/20131125_104140.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/20131125_104140.jpg.html)

(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8632.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8632.jpg.html)

(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8631.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8631.jpg.html)

So post up and have the discussion.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: KingBilly on January 03, 2014, 08:40:51 PM
A thread for flying stuff like this?

Second flight Orvillecopter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kSYhhilorA#)

KB

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: oldmate on January 03, 2014, 08:41:26 PM
I so want one but wife says no.

Maybe I can say its a safety issue. If we get lost I can put it in the air to see where we are. Yeah that may work.

Ps what is a setup like that worth?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: KingBilly on January 03, 2014, 08:44:24 PM
Ps what is a setup like that worth?

The dead cat is usually free (let me know if you want one) but not sure about the rest of the setup  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

KB
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: oldmate on January 03, 2014, 08:49:29 PM
Pmsl
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 03, 2014, 09:28:23 PM
Should have my F450 quadcopter knockoff early next week. I'll post up some pictures as I put it together.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: gec on January 04, 2014, 01:18:02 AM
here's some of mine. not all of which survive.

(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k452/BeniMan_08/003-11.jpg) (http://s327.photobucket.com/user/BeniMan_08/media/003-11.jpg.html)

(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k452/BeniMan_08/003-9.jpg) (http://s327.photobucket.com/user/BeniMan_08/media/003-9.jpg.html)

(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k452/BeniMan_08/SAM_1458.jpg) (http://s327.photobucket.com/user/BeniMan_08/media/SAM_1458.jpg.html)

(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k452/BeniMan_08/SAM_1450.jpg) (http://s327.photobucket.com/user/BeniMan_08/media/SAM_1450.jpg.html)

(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k452/BeniMan_08/012-6.jpg) (http://s327.photobucket.com/user/BeniMan_08/media/012-6.jpg.html)

(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k452/BeniMan_08/002-14.jpg) (http://s327.photobucket.com/user/BeniMan_08/media/002-14.jpg.html)

(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k452/BeniMan_08/004-13.jpg) (http://s327.photobucket.com/user/BeniMan_08/media/004-13.jpg.html)

(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k452/BeniMan_08/003-15.jpg) (http://s327.photobucket.com/user/BeniMan_08/media/003-15.jpg.html)

(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k452/BeniMan_08/SAM_1517_zpse3480f35.jpg) (http://s327.photobucket.com/user/BeniMan_08/media/SAM_1517_zpse3480f35.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 04, 2014, 07:40:48 AM
That's a nice collection of warbirds Gec.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 04, 2014, 10:06:15 AM
What radio gear are you planning to use Marschy? I use a spektrum DX8 and AR8000 rx. It is 8ch so I have a little room to move and customize.
Regards
Crispy

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 04, 2014, 03:18:35 PM
Hello Crispy,

I going to be using the FlySky FS-T6 2.4Ghz digitial 6 channel.

(http://image.helipal.com/fs-t6-big.jpg)

Picked one up for under $100 delivered, but you can get them for as little as $70 if you are willing to wait on international snail mail.

I also considered the Turnigy 9XR for around $60 US (excluding shipping), this doesn't include the separate RF module. All up including shipping would be around $120, or cheaper yet on ebay via international snail mail from China.

(http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/IMG_1689_2(1).jpg)

The 9 channel would be better for FPV with 2 or 3 axis gimballed camera and I should have considered that, but for these prices if the 6 channel is insufficient, I will get a 9 channel for under $100 if need be.

This is the kit I have purchased for the quad, bit of DIY in front on me in the next month. This was $124.78 US

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47493-1/F450+Kit.jpg)

In Aussie dollars the radio and kit set me back $297.62 which is pretty good I think. If I already had a suitable radio I would have got away with around a $200 outlay for just the kit.

This is a link to the kit for anyone interested. Please note, this is a Chinese knockoff of Crispy's DJI Flamewheel which is an excellent quad.

F450 Flamewheel kit (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/F02192-B-RC-4-Axis-Multi-QuadCopter-UFO-ARF-Kit-No-TX-RX-KK-V2-3/632296330.html)

There are cheaper 6 channel radios on the market, but unless they are digitally proportional, I wouldn't consider buying them myself.

Cheers, Marshy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 04, 2014, 04:07:27 PM
Hello Crispy,

I going to be using the FlySky FS-T6 2.4Ghz digitial 6 channel.

(http://image.helipal.com/fs-t6-big.jpg)

Picked one up for under $100 delivered, but you can get them for as little as $70 if you are willing to wait on international snail mail.

I also considered the Turnigy 9XR for around $60 US (excluding shipping), this doesn't include the separate RF module. All up including shipping would be around $120, or cheaper yet on ebay via international snail mail from China.

(http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/IMG_1689_2(1).jpg)

The 9 channel would be better for FPV with 2 or 3 axis gimballed camera and I should have considered that, but for these prices if the 6 channel is insufficient, I will get a 9 channel for under $100 if need be.

This is the kit I have purchased for the quad, bit of DIY in front on me in the next month. This was $124.78 US

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47493-1/F450+Kit.jpg)

In Aussie dollars the radio and kit set me back $297.62 which is pretty good I think. If I already had a suitable radio I would have got away with around a $200 outlay for just the kit.

This is a link to the kit for anyone interested. Please note, this is a Chinese knockoff of Crispy's DJI Flamewheel which is an excellent quad.

F450 Flamewheel kit (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/F02192-B-RC-4-Axis-Multi-QuadCopter-UFO-ARF-Kit-No-TX-RX-KK-V2-3/632296330.html)

There are cheaper 6 channel radios on the market, but unless they are digitally proportional, I wouldn't consider buying them myself.

Cheers, Marshy

Nice kit. Be interesting how the FC goes and how long it takes before you upgrade it with GPS ect.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 04, 2014, 05:06:50 PM
The KK5.5 v2.3 flight control board that comes with the kit is not going onto the quad. I have a KK2.1 flight control board on the way from Hobby King. Much easier to setup by the look of it without having to cart a laptop around.

The only issue with the KK2.0 or 2.1 is they have to be mounted on the top of the quad to get access to the programming buttons, you can't bury the FC like you have with your Naza setup.

Already looking at Ardupilot APM 2.6 flight control board (and all the add on bits like GPS/OSD etc) which will happen after I have a few flights with the KK2.1 and get the camera setup working first for FPV. Can get these for about $200 delivered with everything I need for UAV.

Flying fixed wing RC models taught me one thing, I will put the quad into the dirt as some stage. I don't want to mount my AEE Magicam on the quad. I'm going to get a separate camera lens (similar to your top camera), microphone and DVR module for recording.  That way when I crash (and I will), the camera components have a chance of not being written off completely. Compare that with putting the quad into the dirt with the Magicam on the front and scratching $200 worth of camera in one foul swoop.

Crispy, can you let me know what your all up weight is so far. I'm curious about the lift capacity of the motors that are supplied in my kit. They are 1000kv, but the housing is a generic housing that is used for about a dozen different kv sizes, so I'm a little bit dubious about the motors in my kit.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 04, 2014, 07:42:50 PM


Crispy, can you let me know what your all up weight is so far. I'm curious about the lift capacity of the motors that are supplied in my kit. They are 1000kv, but the housing is a generic housing that is used for about a dozen different kv sizes, so I'm a little bit dubious about the motors in my kit.

Cheers, Marschy
My AUW is currently 2060g but with the new motors it will be about 2150g.
It looks like your motors will lift about 730g ea so that means about 2920g in total. Divide that my 2 and that makes an acceptable AUW of 1460g. I believe you should have twice the amount of thrust than AUW. That is on 10x5 props by the way.
I have yet to put my quad into the dirt hard but I am using the NAZA FC which almost flys the quad by its self.
It will be fun flying the tri on the KK2.1
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 04, 2014, 07:48:05 PM
What motors did you decide on to replace the originals?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 04, 2014, 07:56:35 PM
T-Motors (Tiger) 2216-11 900kv. About 1100-1200g thrust on a 4s battery with the right prop.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 04, 2014, 08:04:51 PM
Here is a good site that lists functionality provided by most of the readily available flight control boards

Best Flight Controller For Quadcopter and Multicopter (http://robot-kingdom.com/best-flight-controller-for-quadcopter-and-multicopter/)

The ArduCopter APM 2.5 rates right up there. That's cool 'cause I'm looking at getting 2.6 version, but I may change my mind after I do a bit more research, especially now that I can compare other flight controllers from this list.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Ynot on January 04, 2014, 10:00:49 PM
Not quite as high tech as you guys but my daughters bought me a helicopter about 50cm long for Chrissy.

It didn't fly too well and particularly wouldn't go forward. Ended up glueing a ball sinker in the nose cone and it now works well.

No as I had this falling out of the sky everywhere my misses went to get some new blades and found that the shop had several returns of the same brand but in better condition so she asked if she could get one whole unit cheap to use as spares.

$50 later and when she brought it home I thought what if I just change the modified nose cone over to the spare chopper. The returned unit works perfectly so for the sake of a sinker I have a second chopper for bugger all!

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 04, 2014, 10:14:42 PM
Hey Ynot,

I purchased a cheap Kogan quadcopter for Xmas for $99 and after seeing for myself how easy they are to fly, I thought I'd like to try something that gave me more options regarding photography. I know what you mean about spares, I've already ordered new blades for my Kogan UFO quad.

The little choppers are good fun and an inexpensive way of seeing if you are capable of flying one confidently before moving to something more sophisticated. But it seems with these quads, the more you spend, the easier they are to fly once set up.

Not sure if I'm competent enough yet, but hey, gotta have a hobby.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: SteveandViv on January 04, 2014, 10:23:38 PM
I think if your going to post on here you must include video's. You can't really expect us to just sit here and read - can you ;D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 05, 2014, 12:12:45 PM
Be patient there will be videos oh yes there will be videos!

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: chriso57 on January 05, 2014, 12:29:34 PM
 I went into Jaycar for a couple of blade fuse holders the other day. Bloody expensive things they are! It was OK though cos they gave me a free helicopter >:D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: rodw on January 05, 2014, 01:23:14 PM
Funny you guys started this thread. I had a 25cc Whipper Snipper that the starter spring jammed up in so I did this
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb270/rodweb/Phone%20Photos/IMAG0319_zpsd8bcce08.jpg)

And now I have got this far and am not quite sure what to do next....
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb270/rodweb/Mobile%20Uploads/20140105_125334_zpspkpgzdac.jpg)

All of the surplus casting has been milled away and you can see the flywheel has been heavily trimmed on my lathe and mill to save weight.

The 14"  prop is a bit small but it was the biggest the hobby shop had.

I was going to mount it on a stand and wire in a kill switch to see if I could start it by flipping the prop before getting carried away.

Any help or guidance will be appreciated. I think it needs to go in an 80" wing span plane.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 05, 2014, 05:42:28 PM
These engines usually have an ideal carby. Does it use a diaphragm pump? It could propel a plane with about a 2+ metre wing span, typically a 1/4 scale WWII fighter sized plane.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 05, 2014, 05:51:15 PM
Watched a few tutorials on making 5.8gHz clover leaf antenna because I don't have a life LOL. Then went shopping on the net for same, only to see that some of the commercially available antennas are so poorly made its convinced me to have a go at making two for myself. I reckon I could do a better job than some of them.

Have a look at this antenna and tell me you couldn't do a better job yourself.

FPV Video antenna 5.8Ghz Tx - 3 bladed cloverleaf (http://www.multiwiicopter.com/products/fpv-antenna-5-8ghz-clover-leaf-3-bladed)

This is a pretty good tutorial for making them

DIY: FPV backpack build part 2 (antennas) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yohKRzMAJAg#ws)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: rodw on January 05, 2014, 06:32:14 PM
These engines usually have an ideal carby. Does it use a diaphragm pump? It could propel a plane with about a 2+ metre wing span, typically a 1/4 scale WWII fighter sized plane.

Marschy, thanks. Yes, it is a Zama carby with a priming bulb. The engine is out of a Ryobi and is the same as the Homelite often used in the US. They have a very big shroud which i have milled off. Unfortunately, it has a fixed high idle jet but you can alter the low idle mixture. I had it all apart and cleaned the carby and it was a goer but the starter came apart soon after so I hacked into it. I turned up a prop spinner yesterday but was a bit light on for material so used the existing shafts which I tapped to hold the prop on. I will remake this later in the week.

Would the transmitter you ordered do the job on this Rig? Maybe I should get the 9 channel and swap You? What Servos to get? I thought a big plane might need more powerful servos.

Rod
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 05, 2014, 06:45:16 PM
Hello Rod,

Yes the radio I bought will do the job, you just need to size your servo's appropriately. I haven't built any planes that require this size engine, so others may steer you in the direction of what size servo to drive the throttle linkage.

If you are just starting out, look at something smaller. The size engine is directly proportional to the size of the plane. You are looking at a pretty big plane to run this motor. Zama carbies or similar are used on gasoline monster engines like Zenoa's.

Have a look at the carbie on this motor, look familiar?

Zenoah ZP62 Gasoline engine 62cc w/electronic ignition (http://www.modelflight.com.au/power-systems/air-engines/zenoah-zp62-gasoline-engine-62cc-w-electronic-ignition.html)

If you are just starting, look at either electric, or .40 or .46 cc 2 stroke engines. Lots of trainers for these size motors.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: rodw on January 05, 2014, 08:15:06 PM
Hello Rod,

Yes the radio I bought will do the job, you just need to size your servo's appropriately. I haven't built any planes that require this size engine, so others may steer you in the direction of what size servo to drive the throttle linkage.

If you are just starting out, look at something smaller. The size engine is directly proportional to the size of the plane. You are looking at a pretty big plane to run this motor. Zama carbies or similar are used on gasoline monster engines like Zenoa's.

Have a look at the carbie on this motor, look familiar?

Zenoah ZP62 Gasoline engine 62cc w/electronic ignition (http://www.modelflight.com.au/power-systems/air-engines/zenoah-zp62-gasoline-engine-62cc-w-electronic-ignition.html)

If you are just starting, look at either electric, or .40 or .46 cc 2 stroke engines. Lots of trainers for these size motors.

Cheers, Marschy


Thanks mate. I have had a chance to research your radio and it seems pretty well regarded. For $60 ex China I am tempted to order one as I have the time to wait while I get it to run. I have built a few planes over the years but never put an engine in one.  If I do build a plane for this engine, I wanted it to be a trainer and there are a few around.

Anyway, I will report back progress if I actually make any Headway!

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 06, 2014, 05:43:51 PM
My F450 kit arrived.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47505-1/F450+Kit_002.jpg)

Pretty remarkable considering it was ordered on Xmas day, delivered 5 working days later (working days in Oz at least). Now I reckon that's exceptional.

Charger looks like it's would take a long time to charge a 3S lipo, this will have to be updated.

Motors are no-name brand, they'll do for now (watch this space), No way to work out how efficient (or inefficient) they are. ESC's are a FMT brand, but nothing on the net to determine if they are programmable, being linear, probably not.

I'll have a bit of a play around tonight and post more pictures soon.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 06, 2014, 07:38:33 PM
My T motors turned up today while I was at work. When I got home I  fitted them up and had a short test flight of about 30sec.
It looks good so if the wind stays away tomorrow I will fly some test packs and let you know all the results.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 06, 2014, 07:39:50 PM
My F450 kit arrived.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47505-1/F450+Kit_002.jpg)

Pretty remarkable considering it was ordered on Xmas day, delivered 5 working days later (working days in Oz at least). Now I reckon that's exceptional.

Charger looks like it's would take a long time to charge a 3S lipo, this will have to be updated.

Motors are no-name brand, they'll do for now (watch this space), No way to work out how efficient (or inefficient) they are. ESC's are a FMT brand, but nothing on the net to determine if they are programmable, being linear, probably not.

I'll have a bit of a play around tonight and post more pictures soon.

Cheers, Marschy

You'll have fun with that. Looking forward to the results.
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 06, 2014, 08:04:34 PM
Props are so so, but I was expecting that. Reckon they'd be a pain to balance. Haven't checked if they track straight yet, if they don't, they'll be going straight into the bin.
Motor mounts are not even for this motor but motor itself lines up with holes in the frame so I don't need them anyway. Probably just a generic prop adapter kit including mount which you only need the spinner/nut to secure the prop. Going to be interesting balancing the motors.
Everything is certainly there to get you flying minus the radio.
Needs washers for the Allen screws that hold the frame together as the bite on the fibreglass board is marginal, but easily fixed.
Everything else is pretty well as much as I expected given how little this kit cost.
There is also a bag of goodies including solder on bullet connectors zip ties Velcro, they even supplied an Australian power plug for the charger.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 07, 2014, 01:48:09 PM
Well had my first big oops today.
I crashed in to a tree about 35m of the ground. I was unable to rescue it so rang the council who sent out their arbourist who climbed the tree and retrieved it for me. I offered him a slab but he was not interested.
Any way the damage is 3 broken props and my pride.
I will edit the gopro video and put it up later. Here is a photo of the broken bits. All up about $10 damage.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8633.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8633.jpg.html)
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: xcvator on January 07, 2014, 02:12:03 PM
Well had my first big oops today.
I crashed in to a tree about 35m of the ground. I was unable to rescue it so rang the council who sent out their arbourist who climbed the tree and retrieved it for me.

(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8633.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8633.jpg.html)
Regards
Crispy

Hey Crispy, you should have called me, I know a guy in the SES that could have got it down for you  ;D ;D >:D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 07, 2014, 02:14:25 PM
Hey Crispy, you should have called me, I know a guy in the SES that could have got it down for you  ;D ;D >:D
I called that bloke but it was too high for him but he did get 20m up before running out of options. I understand he has learnt something new now so I'll be able to call him then.
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 07, 2014, 02:39:02 PM
Bloody trees, the downfall of many remote control aircraft. But you did record the crash on video though? Bloody good thing it didn't fall out of the tree, a 35 metre fall with the transmitter off would have done a bit more damage that a few props.

I'm thinking about getting prop guards. They have saved the props on my Kogan UFO quad heaps of times. Just ordered some undercarriage, should have got prop guards at the same time.

What I've noticed with the UFO is when the prop guard hits an object the rear of the quad flips up towards the object so that it is 90 degrees to the direction of travel. Flying the quad around my front yard I,ve hit gutters on the roof (which you can see if that video I posted on the RC Cars thread very early in the vid), trees, the wifes car (don't tell her), and scared the crap out of the cat.

I've got about 100 acres of reserve directly out my back yard. Once I master the basics, I'll be hopping the fence and flying out my back yard. Most of it is relatively treeless.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 07, 2014, 02:44:08 PM
New engines look good Crispy. Did you have your fpv goggles on when you flew into the tree?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 08, 2014, 11:26:52 AM
As promised here is the shoer video which incorporates the mishap yesterday. After reviewing all the footage I nearly took out 3 trees during the flight. I think the problem was caused by 1. More weight so it does not stop going in one direction as fast as it did. 2. Wind. There was a light wind blowing in that direction and 3. I got too cocky. Most likely No 3 is the biggest reason.
Anyway enjoy and have a laugh.
Regards
Crispy
Big Oops (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIKdbz7nUKQ#ws)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 08, 2014, 12:48:49 PM
Looks like you yinged when you should have yanged. Gotta be happy with how stable it flies, brilliant.

I've got to get into the habit of using aileron to move away from obstacles rather than rudder and elevator. That's what get's me into strife more often than not.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on January 08, 2014, 02:41:59 PM
Santa brought me a Blade 350QX and a blinged out Blade 130X ............ now I just need my FPV gogles and I am set ;D

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 08, 2014, 02:58:16 PM
The RCModelReviews website does a good review on SkyZone and FatShark FPV goggles. The SkyZone has a forward facing camera built into the goggles so you can turn the camera off and see normally. I think these are the same as Crispy's, but he obviously hasn't worked out how to use them properly yet, if you read above LOL.

I'm in the same boat as well. I was looking at 'Video Goggles' on both ebay and aliexpress. I'm now looking at the HobbyKing FatShark entry level goggles (also after listening to a bit of Crispy's advise). Hard to beat there price for goggles bundled with transmitter and receiver.

FatShark Teleporter V3 RTF FPV Headset System w/Camera and 5.8G TX (http://hobbyking.com.au/hobbyking/store/__43057__FatShark_Teleporter_V3_RTF_FPV_Headset_System_w_Camera_and_5_8G_TX.html)

But I may need to get some more information on if I require the ones that can accept corrective lenses for people who wear glasses. My eyesight is shocking, but not long sighted. Crispy has led me to believe you don't need the corrective lens if you wear reading glasses, which is what my eyeglasses prescription is.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 08, 2014, 03:06:35 PM
The SkyZone has a forward facing camera built into the goggles so you can turn the camera off and see normally. I think these are the same as Crispy's, but he obviously hasn't worked out how to use them properly yet, if you read above LOL.

Crispy has led me to believe you don't need the corrective lens if you wear reading glasses, which is what my eyeglasses prescription is.
Yes I have the Sky Zone goggles and I do know how to use them. You look into them and you see where your quad is. In my case it was in a tree!
I have to wear reading glasses and the goggles are clear to see in without any corrective lenses. Even the OSD numbers are clear.

Regards
Crispy
Look up your local RC flying club and go and talk to and have a look at some gear.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 08, 2014, 05:39:03 PM
Picked up the radio from the post office today. The quad is just waiting for the flight control board and tidying up the wiring, balancing, etc, then I'll be able to start flying.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47507-1/Quad+and+Tx.jpg)

Almost there now.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: edz on January 08, 2014, 05:39:29 PM
want to do some flying at this field ???   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR5BtXP0s0o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR5BtXP0s0o)
How cool is this second one   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkHkWy9S4nw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkHkWy9S4nw)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 09, 2014, 01:40:44 PM
Well after the little oops the other day I have been working on some weight saving measures and trimmed excess wire off motors and other places. Every little gram helps.
Today I took it out to a CLEAR area (Soccer Pitch) and did some tests with props.
The results are in and here they are.
Flight 1
Prop 10x4.5
Time 10:14
Mah used 3797 (Out of an available 4000mah which is 80% of 5000mah S4)
Motor temp warm to touch but not hot
Battery Pack 2
AUW=2086g

Flight 2
Prop 9x5
Time 9:25
Mah used 3727 (Same type of battery)
Motor temp cool
Battery Pack 1
AUW 2077g

So from this it looks like the 10x4.5 props are the go for me.
I will have the 9x5s on hand in case of another oops  :angel:

Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 10, 2014, 12:59:46 PM
Finally found a use for one of those useless bloody laser levels.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47543-1/Laser+Level.jpg)

A homemade engine balancer.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47541-1/Engine+Balancer.jpg)

Motors were pretty good. I have simply left them as they were after removing the stickers, so I have not had to balance them at all. Certainly worth the effort and it didn't cost me anything. Found different versions of these balancers on youtube
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 11, 2014, 08:10:34 PM
Good work on the balancing. I have flown 6 packs today at the caravan park that we are at. I will edit the video when I get home and post up a sample. Thus time there is no oops in the video.
Regards
Crispy

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 11, 2014, 08:41:27 PM
6 packs? Is that about an hour and a half of flying time?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 12, 2014, 12:18:00 PM
6 packs? Is that about an hour and a half of flying time?
55-60 min of time. That is a long time to fly around in circles. When we left the park today I left a copy of photos taken from the quad. Lets just say there could be a discount stay there in the future.
I will upload some photos soon.
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 12, 2014, 01:33:36 PM
Some photos from the GoPro. I have it set to take photos and video. Photos are taken every 10 seconds. I get to pick and choose the best ones and delete the rest.

This one is the swimming hole/beach. Not very deep really good for the little kids
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/G0040163.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/G0040163.jpg.html)
The View from above. As you can see there is plenty of open space. Most have allocated camping spots but I think they rotate them in and out of service to let them recover.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/G0030136.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/G0030136.jpg.html)
This is out powered site the 2 side boundaries and the rear boundary are the tent limits. We had some good neighbours so was not really an issue
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/G0020102.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/G0020102.jpg.html)
Another view looking west from well up in the sky.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/G0030130.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/G0030130.jpg.html)

I will do a little video soon and upload it Hope you enjoy the photos.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mrs smith on January 12, 2014, 02:50:23 PM
Good ole Glen Cromie park, did you try for a cray while there ?
Great pics, looking forward to the video.
Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 13, 2014, 12:42:15 PM
We started the new project today. We have to wait for the post to come with more parts before we can continue. Got the shed stuff out of the way before it got too hot to be out there.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8806.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8806.jpg.html)
Folded Frame
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8805.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8805.jpg.html)
Frame in flight mode
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8807.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8807.jpg.html)
2 motors fitted and folded.

Like I said the post needs to turn up so we can continue.
Here are some other photos of the quad from the weekend (ground camera)
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8677.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8677.jpg.html)
Preparing for flight
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8776.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8776.jpg.html)
Hovering
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8688.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8688.jpg.html)
In full flight
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8783.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8783.jpg.html)
FPV Flying with a spotter

Enjoy the photos and build process.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 13, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Looking good Crispy,

Where did you get the plans from for the tri-copter? Great pictures too by the way, so jealous. I've come to a screaming halt while I wait for parts.

Cheers, Marschy.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 13, 2014, 01:26:26 PM
Looking good Crispy,

Where did you get the plans from for the tri-copter? Great pictures too by the way, so jealous. I've come to a screaming halt while I wait for parts.

Cheers, Marschy.

Plans off the net http://forum.flitetest.com/showthread.php?1503-Optimized-RCExplorer-Tricopter-Template (http://forum.flitetest.com/showthread.php?1503-Optimized-RCExplorer-Tricopter-Template)
Wait Mr postman is there a letter for me? Please Mr post man can you check again?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 14, 2014, 05:28:56 PM
Hey Crispy,
The more I read about these kk2.1 boards the more I like them. Check out this on rcgroups.

KK2 Camera gimbal (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1793759)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 14, 2014, 08:25:58 PM
Hey Crispy,
The more I read about these kk2.1 boards the more I like them. Check out this on rcgroups.

KK2 Camera gimbal (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1793759)

Got my KK board today but I do not like it. I am having trouble setting it up. So much so I can't get past the first step. I have asked questions on RCgroups and have had some sugestions but none have worked. Then I burnt out the servo so had to order another one.
On the plus side the Tri is built and just awaits the new servo and an answer to my set up problems.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 15, 2014, 02:18:00 PM
You've got me worried now Crispy. What is it you don't like about the KK2?

I would imagine starting off with a Naza that the KK2 is a giant leap backwards, is that a fair assessment?

I've ordered the FatShark Teleporter FPV kit (you have got to stop putting ideas in my head). Cost about $270 with express shipping. Still waiting for the KK2. I ordered the KK2 with snail mail shipping from China (what was I thinking). The FPV goggles are likely to turn up before the KK2.

I like the look of the tri-copter your building from the free plans. I looked at the shopping list on the website and this one is definitely going on the 'to do list'. Very doable for under $200.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 15, 2014, 02:23:24 PM
It us only that I am having problems getting it to set up. Once that is done I an sure that once it is setup that it will be good.

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 17, 2014, 08:32:41 AM
It us only that I am having problems getting it to set up. Once that is done I an sure that once it is setup that it will be good.

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I figured it out.
It was the RX that did not want to talk to the KK FC. I Tried it with my other Rx and it worked well.
I just ordered another Rx and other bits from HKing and should have them mid next week as they are from the au warehouse.
Just waiting is the hardest part.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 17, 2014, 08:39:10 AM
Received a servo and 3S balanced charger extension cable in the mail yesterday. I'll tackle the li-po conversion for my transmitter this week end. I'm going to fit a low voltage alarm to the transmitter as well. 1450mAh Battery and 3S alarm should be here shortly, it's coming from the hobbyking au website as well, but it's taking its sweet time.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: ScottH on January 17, 2014, 07:49:49 PM
As a total newbie to all things flying, but having reasonable experience with RC boats, cars and trucks, I have a few questions:
- How hard are the quads to fly?
- is FPV essential for aerial photography?
- How "breakable" is something like the kit Marschy bought?
- Is GPS required?

I'm considering an action camera purchase ahead of a big trip in 2015, and would love to be able to get some aerial shots of camp sites, water crossings, waterfalls, etc.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: GGV8Cruza on January 17, 2014, 07:53:22 PM
I am going to lock this thread up.  :police:























Its going to cost me lots of money  >:( ;D ;D

GG

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 17, 2014, 08:47:14 PM
I am going to lock this thread up.  :police:























Its going to cost me lots of money  >:( ;D ;D

GG
Why? Because you don't have one yet. If you are nice I might let you play with mine next time.

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 17, 2014, 08:52:29 PM
As a total newbie to all things flying, but having reasonable experience with RC boats, cars and trucks, I have a few questions:
- How hard are the quads to fly?
- is FPV essential for aerial photography?
- How "breakable" is something like the kit Marschy bought?
- Is GPS required?

I'm considering an action camera purchase ahead of a big trip in 2015, and would love to be able to get some aerial shots of camp sites, water crossings, waterfalls, etc.
You don't need to fpv but it makes it easier to see what you are taking video of.
Depending on the control board you use it can be easy to fly and the higher spec one will have GPS and will use that to hold position.
They are fairly robust but if you smack it into the ground then you will brake it.
I have broken props in the par and expect to brake more. Always carry spares.
Regards
Crispy

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 18, 2014, 12:04:31 AM
As a total newbie to all things flying, but having reasonable experience with RC boats, cars and trucks, I have a few questions:
- How hard are the quads to fly?
- is FPV essential for aerial photography?
- How "breakable" is something like the kit Marschy bought?
- Is GPS required?

I'm considering an action camera purchase ahead of a big trip in 2015, and would love to be able to get some aerial shots of camp sites, water crossings, waterfalls, etc.
If you're going to be travelling, look at tri-copters, you can fold them up to some degree for transporting. Plus they can be far more stable than quads. The further apart the motors are, the more stable they fly. Read some of the RCgroups forum as Crispy also suggested to me. Great place to get ideas for beginners.

Otherwise, my experience so far is that they are extremely easy to fly in comparison to a fixed wing. That may not help you, but as an ex RC fixed wing flyer, the thing that nearly always did my planes in was landings which are always done at speeds in excess of 20km give or take (sometimes a lot faster than 20kmh). The landing speed of a quad can be as slow as you like, as good as the control you have of the throttle. Given the slower and easier to control speeds, my guess is this will invariably lead to less crashes than flying fixed wing, for me at least.

My kit is breakable in comparison to Crispies in so much that my kit doesn't come with a nifty flight control board that provides functionality like altitude/position hold, return to launch position, fail safe mode. But for around another $200-400 (and more) on top of a clone kit price, functionality like this plus on screen diagnostics can be added depending on your budget.

Spare frame for my kit is around $20 delivered if you look on aliexpress or ebay or hobbyking. You can pick up individual arms for as little as $3-5 plus delivery. Spare parts are plentiful for the original DJI flamewheel (aka Crispy's quad) and also for the clones (aka my cheapy from aliexpress). You can get kits from hobbyking, aliexpress, ebay, hobby stores.

I found a fantastic comparison on youtube between a DJI flamewheel and a clone, if I can find it, I will put a link to it on this thread. It gives you a good idea why you spend the level of money on either option. The big $ ticket item for the DJI flamewheel is the flight control board, it's a beauty.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 18, 2014, 12:29:38 PM
The FC that I use can be purchased here which is the best price I have found in Australia. Theses people are in NSW and is where I got my T-Motors from.
http://madetofly.com.au/shop/dji-innovations/dji-naza-v2-with-gps/ (http://madetofly.com.au/shop/dji-innovations/dji-naza-v2-with-gps/)
The Naza has its fans and haters but you need to make up your own mind. There are cheaper FC options that have all the bells and features but you need to do your research to find which one will suit you.
My quad is very stable to fly and produces great results.
The Tri folds and you could make it a Y6 (2 motors per arm). I have made it for fun not for stability. it should do flips and rolls but as yet I have not had it in the air yet. I hope to have it up later in the week.
Make sure you have plenty of spare props.
You could buy a micro quad for training which will give you "Stick" time and then when you upgrade you should be more capable of flying the bigger machine.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 21, 2014, 05:21:48 PM
A few things have arrived in the mail this week.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47620-1/Bits+and+Pieces.jpg)

Landing gear for the quad. I ordered 4, thinking that they were $2.22 ozzie dollars for 1 leg. Nope, they were $2.22 for a set of 4 legs. Most of the sellers on aliexpress sell these starting from $10 plus shipping for 4 legs, so you want get much change out of a $20. I reckon I got a bargain for a little under $30 for 4 sets of undercarriage.

Also got the replacement lipo batteries to convert the transmitter from 8xAA batteries to a flat pack battery as well as the cables to do the conversion and a low voltage alarm.

And finally the KK2.1 flight control board arrived.

Now I can start some construction beginning with reflashing the ESC's with SimonK Firmware for quadcopters.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47622-1/ESC.jpg)

Bit of soldering in front of me to accomplish this, but apparently the rewards are worth it.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 21, 2014, 06:27:30 PM
A few things have arrived in the mail this week.


Now I can start some construction beginning with reflashing the ESC's with SimonK Firmware for quadcopters.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47622-1/ESC.jpg)

Bit of soldering in front of me to accomplish this, but apparently the rewards are worth it.

That reflashing tool you have is only for the KK I think the reflashing tool for ESC will require another adapter like this one http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__27195__atmel_atmega_socket_firmware_flashing_tool.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__27195__atmel_atmega_socket_firmware_flashing_tool.html)
This information was brought to you by someone who really does not know much about this stuff!!!!
please do your own research before accepting this advice ;D
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 21, 2014, 06:32:44 PM
I have to use the kk software to use the kkmulticopter USB dongle according to a web site I was reading today, still reading up on this as we speak, but it looks like it will do the job, as well as allowing me to flash the kk2 should it need it. It came with the fc board that came with the quad kit.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 21, 2014, 08:24:28 PM
Got the landing gear attached. All ESC's have been removed to get ready for flashing, probably this weekend.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47624-1/Quad+with+Landing+Gear.jpg)

Had to drill holes pretty close to the wire contacts on the built-in pcb on the lower frame for the landing gear. Don't want the nut rotating and coming into contact with the solder, so using nylon. The landing gear comes with longer 2.5mm metal allen machine screws than what were in the frame originally, so no problems with screw length on the arms with the addition of the landing gear.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47626-1/Landing+Gear+Nylon+Bolts.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 22, 2014, 09:45:08 PM
I took a punt with the USBasp programmer for the ESC (that's a lot of three letter acronyms, keep reading though).

I married up the output from the USBasp programmer with the input pins on the ESC. The output of each pin on the programmer is highlighted on the right two red circles which shows front and back of the programmer. The pins with VCC, GND etc marked next to them on the left is the ESC board.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47630-1/ESC+and+Programmer+ISP+connectors.jpg)

I downloaded a generic USBasp driver from the net, along with KKFlashTool, and flashed the ESC with SimonK TGY V2013-09-20. I'll put a label to this effect on the heat shield, then cover the ESC again with clear heat shrink.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47628-1/Reflashing.jpg)

I ran a motor up with just the receiver, ESC and one motor, calibrated the ESC with the transmitter, and bingo, worked perfectly. Can't compare it with anything though, as I've never had to do this before. All I do know is if you get the wiring incorrect, after you flash the chip, then power it up with your battery, the chip immediately fries if the wiring was wrong when it was flashed. I think the motor gets fried as well.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47633-1/ISP+Wiring+from+ESC.jpg)

Soldering the wires onto the pins on the ESC was a little tricky. The thin wires on the top left of the ESC are what I soldered on. From the white to the blue wire is less than 10mm.

Edit: My ESC's are a generic 30A ESC branded as FMT. This ESC is identical to the HobbyKing HK SS30A ESC. Check out this link for identifying ESC's to help identify the pins for reprogramming your ESC.

ESC specs for Simonk / BLHeli FW flash (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhR02IDNb7_MdEhfVjk3MkRHVzhKdjU1YzdBQkZZRlE#gid=0)

then if you click on the tutorial in the link, there is a very useful video that shows you what the tone should be when the motors arm via the ESC after they have been flashed with SimonK firmware.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: KingBilly on January 23, 2014, 08:48:39 AM
I reckon Marschy and Crisp Image should just get a room  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

KB
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 23, 2014, 04:17:14 PM
I reckon Marschy and Crisp Image should just get a room  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

KB

KB,
Care to join us? >:D
Just some more Porn photos for you
These are of my scratch built tri copter.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8819.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8819.jpg.html)
The Tri all set up ready to go
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8823.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8823.jpg.html)
The Yaw mechanism but the servo is not strong enough so I am getting another one soon. (More cash spent at HK)
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8822.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8822.jpg.html)
KK Flight Controller Protection (sistima container from the supermarket)
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8824.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8824.jpg.html)
The KK tucked in there with the Rx.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8825.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8825.jpg.html)
And the tri folded ready for transport.

We did a test flight today but because the servo is not strong enough the thrust from the prop moves the motor and it just spins like a top. It is only a 1.8kg servo so I have ordered a 3.9kg one. Hopefully it will be strong enough.
Waiting for another package from HK.

AUW of the Tri is about 1kg with a 3s 3300mah bat.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 23, 2014, 05:00:28 PM
Did you have to flash the kk2 fc crispy? The servo for yaw works its ring gear off apparently. Are you getting a digital/metal gear servo?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 23, 2014, 05:43:30 PM
Here's a screen snapshot of KKFlashTool.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47635-1/KKFlashTool.jpg)

When you run it you select what controller you are flashing, in this case the KK2.1. Haven't done mine yet, but notice the firmware option further down. This application searches the internet for the latest version of firmware for the selected controller. It has quite a few versions of the firmware, but what is interesting is it defaults to 1.9, which is far later than the version flashed on the HK KK2.1 (1.5 or 1.6?). You can then select a version and then click on the blue exclamation mark to the right of the drop down list. This opens your web browser to the steveis web page which gives you a run down of the issues fixed or added in that release of the firmware.

You don't need a dongle to run the software, you can just download it and run it to get comfortable with how it works before you flash your fc.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 23, 2014, 06:45:22 PM
My flash tool is still on the way.
I am using a metal gear servo so I hope no more problems there.
When I fitted up the fc it was already 1.6 so I won't touch it yet. I sent back the original kk because it stopped working and would only light up the screen. It well be interesting to see if they will replace it or not and how long they take to assess it. They did tell me to return it so have followed the process.
I will have to look at the software for flashing things at some stage but for now I am at work so don't have access to a PC.
Happy building and flying
Regards
Crispy.

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 24, 2014, 09:21:50 PM
Your housing for your KK2 has inspired me to look through the good lady wife's tupperware cupboard.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47638-1/KK+Housing.jpg)

I think I'll keep looking. The gravy lid is likely to fly off and the handles will cause drag, other than that, I liked it.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 25, 2014, 08:31:34 AM
Your housing for your KK2 has inspired me to look through the good lady wife's tupperware cupboard.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47638-1/KK+Housing.jpg)

I think I'll keep looking. The gravy lid is likely to fly off and the handles will cause drag, other than that, I liked it.

I am starting to get worried about you Marschy :-)

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 25, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
Woo Hoo, the postie just delivered the fatshark teleporter fpv system. Lots to get done this weekend
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 25, 2014, 10:18:00 AM
Postie on a Saturday? You south Aussies are a strange lot.
Have fun with that. Oh and watch your for trees.

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 25, 2014, 10:20:46 AM
Contractor here delivers on Saturday morning, has done for years. I love him
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 25, 2014, 10:29:49 AM
Prototyping a flight control board mount out of paper from the laser printer. This will be printed on glossy magazine paper then ironed onto Copper PCB board, then soaked in water to leave the black pattern on the copper, then etched. Should look cool.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 25, 2014, 07:46:49 PM
Here we go

Clean PCB and create negative on glossy magazine paper.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47640-1/Clean+PCB+and+Negative.jpg)

After ironing negative onto PCB and soaking it in water to remove excess paper, tidy up negative with PCB pen, prepare etchant.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47642-1/Preparing+Etchant.jpg)

Almost there, takes about 10 minutes, depending on temperature of etchant, warmer the better.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47644-1/Almost+Etched.jpg)

Finished Flight Control board mount on top of quad ready for KK2.1 Flight Control Board.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47646-1/Flight+Control+Mount+fit+on+Quad.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 25, 2014, 08:17:41 PM
So that is how you make a PCB these days. We use to screen print them and then etch them. But that was when I was a lad.
Your mount looks very cool.
Printing the pattern on the glossy paper was that done with the laser printer?
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 25, 2014, 08:23:38 PM
Yep laser printer, one for about $150 from office works. When you print the negative, crank the contrast up and turn down the brightness of your laser printer so it gets as much plastic in the print as possible then it sticks to the copper when you iron it with less effort. Thinner the glossy paper the better, but it must be glossy.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 28, 2014, 05:00:26 PM
So Marschy how was your weekend?
I got my Tri to fly today and then burnt out another servo so scrapped it and built a quad instead. I need to tune it a lot and it is so much harder to fly than my F450 with the NAZA.
We even got a new Tx Rx being the Turnigy 9x cheapy. It seems to work and I have figured out how to set it up for what I want.
Happy Flying
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 28, 2014, 05:22:05 PM
In typical fashion, OCD got the better of me. Once I made the PCB for the the flight control board, it got me thinking about other stuff I could make that requires a PCB, so at the moment i'm making navigation lights out of single 5050 LEDs which only require 3.3 volts. The first effort I burnt out the power regulator cause I connected it up wrong and cooked two transistors as well, working on the mark 2 version as we speak which has markings on the PCB so I don't get the wiring wrong next time.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 28, 2014, 05:24:03 PM
What quad did you get?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 28, 2014, 05:33:39 PM
What quad did you get?
Home made one. I'll post photos after Saturday as I have burnt all of out internet for the month and are shaped. (SO I can still do forums cause they don't use a lot of bandwith)
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 28, 2014, 05:40:59 PM
Crikey I'm slow compared to you, haven't got my 450 in the air yet and in the same time you've already crashed one and burnt out servos (2?) in another. Your going to have to consider changing your user name, have you considered "Crashnburn"
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on January 28, 2014, 07:10:28 PM
You guys inspired me to dip my toe in. I bought a Walkera QR W100S and a Devo 7E TX from bang good. I know the video isn't that crash hot, but the ability to record direct to my Android phone tipped me over the edge for it. They also sell a little hard case for it, so grabbed that so I can throw it in the truck without worrying over it. Should be fun to get some footage while out 4wd-ing and camping. Ordered it last week, so I guess I have a few more weeks to wait for it to arrive.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 28, 2014, 07:56:27 PM
Gday Sawed_off, the props on these walkera's are the same on my UFO. They have a self tapping screw that goes through the hub of the propellor and the prop is made of pretty brittle plastic.

Go shopping for replacement propellers on eBay now, you can pick them up dirt cheap if you are willing to wait for international snail mail. My UFO has foam prop guards and I still manage to scratch the hell out of my props. Without prop guards, you are going to break a few props at first and probably rather quickly. Your radio is great, much better than my UFO transmitter and it will do for a much more featured quad as well, The foam guards are coming off my UFO some time in the near future. I think you'll find yours is much more zippy than my UFO, no prop guards means it won't be carry much weight around.

Your going to get hooked when you see how bloody easy these things are to fly.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on January 29, 2014, 07:09:32 AM
Yeah, I grabbed a swag of things. The quad, radio, case, props, spare cw and ccw motors, and a couple more batteries. It should be enough to get me into mischief.  ;D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on January 29, 2014, 07:22:11 PM
I'm trying to finish off jobs I've already started instead of jumping from one thing to another. So I finished off the transmitter battery conversion from 8xAA to flatpack LiPo, and I've finished the second ESC reflash this evening.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47668-1/Finishing+off+old+jobs_001.jpg)

The ESC's with clear heatshrink are the reflashed ones. The black ESC's are the controllers before reflashing. Sticker on the back is 'HW 30A' (Hobbyworld?)

Soldering the ESC is proving to be tedious, my crap eyesight has made me resort to using my Canon Ixus 115HS camera which has a bloody good macro (5mm-20mm lens). When I want to inspect my work, I take a photo then zoom in on the LCD display, and I can see everything on the PCB crystal clear.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47670-1/Second+ESC.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 30, 2014, 11:03:43 AM
When I got home last night from work we made a new frame for the scratch built quad. I was not really happy with the modified frame I was using.
It is a basic frame with a square body and X arms off the corners. Fitted up all the gear for a test flight. Well that was interesting. Some tuning is required.
I crashed it and broke modified one arm but it still flew.
Got up this morning and had a read of some forums to get some ideas. It seems like I should flash the KK to Stevis 1.1s2beginner or something like that as everyone says it is good. Until my flash tool gets here I will have to use what I have. I am waiting for the battery to charge again so I can do some more tuning.
I did discover it is best to have the correct motor rotation to make it fly best. I had 2 motors reversed so had the toilet bowl effect when flying. Changes made and now it flys better. I still have much to learn but it is fun constructing different things.
I am looking forward to getting the new quad just to hover. I can get it to fly around the back yard in some sort of fashion.
You will have to wait til at least Saturday for me to post photos as I need full speed internet to do that.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on January 31, 2014, 07:08:57 AM
Crispy's tip of the week.
When setting up the kk2.1 and you do the reciever test you should adjust the Tx subtrims so that with stick centered all values are 0.
Regards
Crispy

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: SteveandViv on January 31, 2014, 08:54:42 AM
So that is how you make a PCB these days. We use to screen print them and then etch them. But that was when I was a lad.
Your mount looks very cool.
Printing the pattern on the glossy paper was that done with the laser printer?
Regards
Crispy

Gawd, I had to draw them with a felt pen by hand, you blokes have it easy  ;D

PS. Love your work lads.  :cup:
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on January 31, 2014, 10:29:28 PM
Ordered it last week, so I guess I have a few more weeks to wait for it to arrive.

I just realised I ordered it all during Chinese New year, so nothing is moving in China for at least another week. Plus a couple of parts are back ordered until 20th of Feb. *sigh*

Oh well, I guess I should do some maintenance on my camper before we get cracking again this year.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 01, 2014, 06:39:17 AM
I've learnt a valuable lesson flashing my speed controllers. Not all ESC's will flash from the ports on the PCB.

I've successfully flashed 3 controllers, but the forth one just doesn't want to play the game.

I've had to order an Atmel socket firmware flashing tool so that I can flash the last controller. I can calibrate the ESC, bloody thing simply wont flash.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on February 01, 2014, 04:20:47 PM
Saturday is here so as promised here are the latest photos of the new quad after the tri burnt out the servo again.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8830.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8830.jpg.html)
Here it is. I might have to shorten the arms a bit.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8831.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8831.jpg.html)
The custom landing gear is rings of 70mm PVC pipe and they give a nice spring for hard landings.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8833.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8833.jpg.html)
The underslung battery holder and the frame sandwich.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8832.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/_MG_8832.jpg.html).
A square middle frame keeps things symmetrical
Having fun trying to dial it is.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on February 02, 2014, 07:14:53 PM
Here is a short video (2:47) of a place we stayed at a few weeks ago. You have already seen the photos.
http://youtu.be/x5i8ZGTTMW4 (http://youtu.be/x5i8ZGTTMW4)
Enjoy.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 02, 2014, 07:57:32 PM
Excellent Crispy. Did you have to do any post-processing, i.e deshake?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on February 03, 2014, 08:35:28 AM
Excellent Crispy. Did you have to do any post-processing, i.e deshake?
No it was all just cut and splice. There was one section that I zoomed to get rid of the landing gear in the frame.
The brushless gimbal that holds the camera is a great bit of kit.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 03, 2014, 05:32:46 PM
Hobby king 10x4.5 SP props arrived in the mail today. Much better than the kit supplied props. At least the leading and trailing edges on the new props have been cleaned up out of the injection mold. The kit props were pretty rough
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 06, 2014, 06:01:20 PM
Doing a bit of reading up on canopies led me to a thread on rcgroups where a guy is talking about using the plastic dome from an immitation security camera. Did a bit more reading, bit of surfing looking for dimensions, couldn't find any consistent dimensions from one seller to another or non-existant dimensions more often. Looked at prices on ebay, which were really cheap @ 4 x fake cameras for around $20.

So took a punt and bought one of these from Bunnings to see if was worth spending another $20 bucks and getting another 4 from ebay.

Swann Dome Imitation Camera With Flashing Light $15.87 (http://www.bunnings.com.au/swann-dome-imitation-camera-with-flashing-light_p4220343)

Now the Bunnings is a 200% markup on the ebay ones but probably pumped out of the same factory. But the good news is, they fit like a bloody glove.

A bit of trimming on the flange where it overlaps the top plate on the quad

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47737-1/Security+Camera+Dome.jpg)

And a bit of velcro stuck onto the flange and the top plate and you'll have one schmick looking canopy.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47735-1/Security+Camera+Dome+Perfect+Fit.jpg)

Now the bad news.

They are made out of ABS plastic (read brittle). So my solution will be to use this one as a mold by filling it with fibreglass resin. Then making a vacuum forming platform out of a heap of mdf I have sitting in the shed and molding my own canopies using 2mm acrylic plastic (perspex)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on February 06, 2014, 08:04:52 PM
Looks good. I took my toys out to play today and crashed one early in the flight and broke a couple off cable ties on one motor. I didn't have any spares with me so packed that one away and then played with the dji quad. Took it up to the legal height of about 400 feet or 122m and took some photos of the scope pitch for a friend so he could ask the council to water it. 10:22 flight time on 3650mah and not much hover time in there. He was very impressed with the results. Not to exciting so no video posting.
On another note the caravan park managers were so impressed with the video I made of the park they offered us a couple of nights free. Might just have to take them up on the offer.
Regards
Crispy
PS  Marschy when is that bird found to take flight. It is a bit like D4Ds camper at the moment.

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 06, 2014, 08:09:31 PM
At the mercy of international mail while I wait for the flashing tool to arrive then it shouldn't be long after that. The building phase can be just as additive as the flying stage.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on February 07, 2014, 07:06:04 AM
Took it up to the legal height of about 400 feet or 122m

Were you in controlled airspace, or does your quad weigh more than 1500g?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on February 07, 2014, 12:46:20 PM
Were you in controlled airspace, or does your quad weigh more than 1500g?
I understand that controlled or not the celling height for a domestic "toy" is 400ft.
My AUW is 2.1kg
I could be wrong but that is what I have read
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 07, 2014, 12:51:00 PM
This link may help

Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Model Aircraft (http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_93443)

Edit: Go to the download section and download volume 3. Basically any flight above 400 ft above ground level requires permission for a UAV.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on February 07, 2014, 06:48:43 PM
I think Note 1 of 101.235 along with 101.400 says you can fly as high as you like, with a couple of small provisos.  :cheers:

Edit: I meant to add, I've been flying model rockets for years (which is why I had 1500g in my head). You'd be surprised how many people think you can't fly above 400' AGL anywhere, anytime, under any circumstances. CASA are pretty easy going with us non-commercial hobbiests, so long as we're aware of and follow the rules.

Edit 2: Also see Advisory Circular 101-3(0), section 7.2.1.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 07, 2014, 07:37:25 PM
I see where your coming from. Many moons ago when I flew fixed wing, the guys with electric gliders used to motor on up to a bloody good height that would easily beat 400 feet then just glide on down with no power.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 07, 2014, 07:47:42 PM
Found where it states height restrictions, most capital cities. Read here

http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/lib100071/flying_with_control_model.pdf (http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/lib100071/flying_with_control_model.pdf)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on February 07, 2014, 09:37:28 PM
Yep, it's good advice, in a general rule-of-thumb, make-it-easy-for-the-punters-to-understand way (they made one for us rocket guys, too (http://australianrocketry.org/article.php?story=20100917215204124)). You can find out the boundaries of controlled airspace by grabbing a Visual Terminal Chart (VTC) from Air Services Australia. It's a great $10 investment for those of us that like to poke things into the air without being part of a club.

https://www.airservicesaustralia.com/store/html.asp?/bookweb/catalog.cgi?stype=c&stext=VT (https://www.airservicesaustralia.com/store/html.asp?/bookweb/catalog.cgi?stype=c&stext=VT)

In a nutshell, controlled airspace has different classes that you can think of as layers. Here's a guide that explains it a bit.

https://www.airservicesaustralia.com/store/html.asp?/bookweb/catalog.cgi?stype=c&stext=VT (https://www.airservicesaustralia.com/store/html.asp?/bookweb/catalog.cgi?stype=c&stext=VT)

The layers are usually designated by a lower limit (LL on the VTC). Basically, they start at the airport with the LL of the surface (SFC). They radiate outwards, with the LL lifting in a series of steps, in a sort-of upside-down cone shape. The airspace underneath the steps is not controlled airspace, and you can fly in it. Obviously, you'd avoid designated corridors and such. For example, from the Cairns Airport, if I head towards the south west, the steps go from C LL SFC (ie class C, Lower Limit Surface), to C LL 3500 (ie 3500'), to C LL 4500, to C LL 6500, to C LL 8500, to C LL FL125. This last one is nearly 150kms from the airport. These aren't concentric rings either, so it's worth having the chart.

Hopefully I'm not teaching you guys to suck eggs. I just hate that folks think they're restricted to 400' AGL, when with a little extra knowledge, the sky is the limit. :)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: bussoboy on February 08, 2014, 07:10:04 AM
Our sales people sell the high end stuff and it was fun watching this fly around the office(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/08/u7e3e3ev.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: D4D on February 08, 2014, 12:25:13 PM
This stuff is catching on ;D

http://www.news.com.au/technology/design/renault-concept-comes-with-a-drone-to-help-find-a-parking-space/story-fnjwucvh-1226821130439 (http://www.news.com.au/technology/design/renault-concept-comes-with-a-drone-to-help-find-a-parking-space/story-fnjwucvh-1226821130439)

(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/02/08/1226821/130410-081743b6-8f90-11e3-8dff-f6af7c30323d.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 09, 2014, 08:16:14 PM
Still waiting for flashing tool to arrive. I have a heap of 5050 LED's lying around, so I made some flashing LED's to help with orientation.

Led Flasher (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFYBrsQevFI#ws)

This will go on the end of the front legs and some coloured non-flashing LED's will go on the rear legs.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: GGV8Cruza on February 09, 2014, 08:23:35 PM
Looks like the copters are  supplying footage for the winter Olympics, can see them flying in the background as well

GG
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on February 09, 2014, 09:40:51 PM
Looks like the copters are  supplying footage for the winter Olympics, can see them flying in the background as well

GG

Yeah, there's been some awesome footage. Very stable, too. Great work by the operators.

It looks like my quad has shipped from banggood. Hopefully see it in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on February 12, 2014, 06:30:13 PM
With the fires in my mine in Latrobe Valley the MFB have brought their UAV's down to see if they are useful.
I am now the Hazelwood UAV liaison officer. A nice title.
Any brain is all smoked out so I think I need a :cheers: and a good rest. so far I have done 4 12+hr days and I still have some  more to do. I think our fire will go for more than 2 weeks.
When I get the photos off my phone I will post up.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Andrew_C on February 12, 2014, 08:26:58 PM
I have been looking at a few different options,
Would a kit like this cut it to start with or should I look at separate parts?http://www.aliexpress.com/item/F02192-A-RC-4Axis-Multi-QuadCopter-UFO-RTF-ARF-KK-V2-3-Circuit-board-1000KV-Motor/632297151.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/F02192-A-RC-4Axis-Multi-QuadCopter-UFO-RTF-ARF-KK-V2-3-Circuit-board-1000KV-Motor/632297151.html)
If you were starting off, with a plan to run a go pro or fpv eventually,are they a good platform, or would I be looking to upgrade remote, motors etc. early in the piece?
If you wouldn't recommend the above, what would you recommend as a sensible starter.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 13, 2014, 07:34:59 AM
I have been looking at a few different options,
Would a kit like this cut it to start with or should I look at separate parts?http://www.aliexpress.com/item/F02192-A-RC-4Axis-Multi-QuadCopter-UFO-RTF-ARF-KK-V2-3-Circuit-board-1000KV-Motor/632297151.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/F02192-A-RC-4Axis-Multi-QuadCopter-UFO-RTF-ARF-KK-V2-3-Circuit-board-1000KV-Motor/632297151.html)
If you were starting off, with a plan to run a go pro or fpv eventually,are they a good platform, or would I be looking to upgrade remote, motors etc. early in the piece?
If you wouldn't recommend the above, what would you recommend as a sensible starter.

Hello Andrew,
Yes the kit is a good platform to run a gopro or fpv. This kit is the same as mine (same store as well), with the addition of a 6 channel radio. Heads up, the second photo is more representative of what you are getting, not the first photo which has a picture of a DJI flamewheel frame. The frame you are getting is in the second picture.

For FPV you are going to need a kit similar to this from Hobbyking

FatShark Teleporter V3 RTF FPV Headset System w/Camera and 5.8G TX (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__43057__FatShark_Teleporter_V3_RTF_FPV_Headset_System_w_Camera_and_5_8G_TX.html)

I would suggest upgrading the flight control board in the kit. The KK board that comes with the kit needs to be hooked up to a computer to change the settings, whereas a hobbyking kk2.1 board you can program on board (in the field) with the LCD display and four buttons for around $30.

I haven't had mine in the air yet, but the motors as they are should be sufficient for the supplied kit. But as you add more weight, you will need to look at different motor options for additional thrust. Crispy has done this already with his DJI, and has upgraded his motors to t-motors. Similarly, the speed controllers work fine, I just decided to flash mine with new software which is causing me delays at the moment.

If you have any other questions, fire away.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: cm4x4nut on February 13, 2014, 08:46:50 AM


For FPV you are going to need a kit similar to this from Hobbyking

FatShark Teleporter V3 RTF FPV Headset System w/Camera and 5.8G TX (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__43057__FatShark_Teleporter_V3_RTF_FPV_Headset_System_w_Camera_and_5_8G_TX.html)




Marschy, what sort of costs are you paying for these. I have often thought as an exercise it would be interesting to put the camera in the drivers seat of the 1/10 truck and see how the off roading experience goes.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Andrew_C on February 13, 2014, 08:58:38 AM
So what sort of range do you get out of the radio control and FPV. Is spending more going to get more RC range.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 13, 2014, 09:29:41 AM
So what sort of range do you get out of the radio control and FPV. Is spending more going to get more RC range.
Apparently 2.4ghz radio is pretty much line of sight, so it doesn't matter really how much you spend on these types of radio's they have around the same range. The older crystal radio's had better range.

The 5.8ghz fpv transmitter gives about 1.5 miles range (apparently)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 13, 2014, 09:30:46 AM
Marschy, what sort of costs are you paying for these. I have often thought as an exercise it would be interesting to put the camera in the drivers seat of the 1/10 truck and see how the off roading experience goes.

Cheers,
$199 US from hobbyking, plus delivery, no reason why you can't use them in a car, other people do.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 13, 2014, 02:31:41 PM
Just took a total of my shopping list so far

Quad Kit - $171.55 US
Undercarriage - $4.09 US (spent more than this but didn't need to)
Radio and receiver - $85.65 US
Servo cable Male to Male x 15 - $22.73 US (didn't need these, a perfectly suitable cable comes in the kit). Do need another cable for stabilised mode tho, and will need additional male to male cables down the track.
KK2.1 Flight Control board - $33.98 US
Propeller balancer - $16.30 US (don't really need to buy this)
1450mAh 3S transmitter lipoly x 2 - $15.16 US (don't really need to do this, but would have to buy batteries or ni-cads either way for transmitter)
2 on board lipoly low voltage alarms - $3.98 US
Fatshark Teleporter headset with camera and 5.8G TX - $235.74.99 US
16 x replacement props - $20.66 US
Atmel Atmega Socket Firmware Flashing Tool - $23.98 US (don't need to buy this)

Shopping list total so far $633.82 US (well over the $700 AUD mark)

So I guess people may ask if a kit is worth it. I still have flight batteries I have to buy, possibly 4 or 5 more, otherwise I'll be flying for 10 minutes and recharging for 3 hours with one battery.

My train of thought is, would I be able to say to my missus "can I spend $700 now on something completely self indulgant?" and she would say "No", but I can do this by buying the bits and pieces I need over time. This list is certainly not complete, and to a degree I am probably hiding the true cost from myself, but conservatively I don't expect much change out of $1000 once I get the camera gimbal I am after for in-flight recording.

I haven't compared my shopping list with a complete kit like a DJI or sawed-off's quad (not even sure how 'complete' these kits are), but I'd be curious to see which is cheaper, a complete kit, or a piecemeal kit and buying the bits and pieces required to do simple FPV.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 13, 2014, 06:22:29 PM
I've finished making the molds for a couple of different canopies

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47782-1/Canopy+Molds.jpg)

I should be able to get the first canopy knocked out this weekend. Got a bit carried away with the hardener for the dome shaped one. The resin got so hot it melted my ABS plastic camera dome that I was using as a pattern.

The one on the left was made from the tupperware container on the right (sorry Mrs Marschy, sacrificed for the cause). It was such a good fit, the pcb I made earlier only has about a 1-2mm clearance inside the tupperware container, so should make a perfect canopy. It's about twice as high as the dome shaped mold, so if I need to, I can stack more electronics under the canopy, like telemetry for an APM, and possibly the GPS antenna on top.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on February 14, 2014, 07:18:36 AM
Marschy, the quad I have ordered is basically an amusing toy. Yours is a fairly serious bit of kit in comparison.

Andrew_C and others, there's a comprehensive thread on HK that explains a lot of what you are getting into with building from a kit. It should help with some of the basic understanding so you can make some better informed decisions on what you are looking at and what's what.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38561 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38561)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 15, 2014, 05:05:16 AM
Lots still to do, now designing a simple tilt gimbal for the FPV camera. Should hopefully have a working example before the weekend is done.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on February 17, 2014, 07:30:48 PM
Got home from work and a package was waiting for me. That lead to the discovery that I've poorly planned the whole thing, as I don't have any batteries for the transmitter (Devo 7E). I haven't flown an RC model in over 30 years (my dad's slope soaring glider), so I'll try and keep my patience and aim for a weekend flight when I won't feel rushed and can concentrate on not re-kitting the model. I'm lucky enough to have a small park out my back gate, so I won't try and fly it into things inside the house. I went with a Mode 2 radio, primarily because it's what a large part of the Internet flies. The Devo radios can easily be changed between modes, so if it feels too weird for me, I can switch a couple of springs and be Mode 1 in minutes. Once I get enough confidence in my flying abilities, I'll also have a go at flashing the Deviation firmware into the radio, which makes it compatible with other protocols. It's all very exciting! Thanks, guys, for giving me the gumption to have a go at this!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 17, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
I went mode 1, its what I'm used to. I have mode 2 on my UFO quad radio. Its like skate boarding goofy footed when your used to the other way, it feels strange
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on February 19, 2014, 07:57:47 AM
Here are a couple of photos of the CASA Approved Metropolitan Fire Brigades (MFB) quad.
It has a thermal image camera and also visual camera. The screen they use fits in the pelican case very nicely.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/20140212_150410.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/20140212_150410.jpg.html)

Their radio control gear is a little more industrial than mine
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/Multi%20Rotor/20140213_085940.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/Multi%20Rotor/20140213_085940.jpg.html).
I cant post any of the imagery from the cameras of the fires cause it is against policy of the company.
The guys flying the quad did a flight over the stoke house in St Kilda when it burnt down.

Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on February 23, 2014, 09:26:23 AM
Got my flash tool and flashed the KK to an aftermarket FW. Then went out to the back yard to have a test flight. Started in self level mode and it was OK. still lots to learn about flying. I think the balance is a little off but some tweekeing should get it right.
I switched into normal or manual mode and promptly flew it in the brick wall on the side of the house. Not much damage done a few cable ties and a couple of scratches on the props.
All good now. I need to go to the sports fields to have a good shot at it.
I also shortened the arms a bit to make it a little more compact.
How is your build going Marshy?
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 23, 2014, 09:57:43 AM
My last ESC refuses to flash so I have ordered 4 SS30A from hobby king, express this time, should be here next week, then flash and solder the last one in. Should be in the air next weekend. I'll post some pictures soon
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on February 26, 2014, 04:00:12 PM
Can you guys please stop with this?
Now I am looking at these toys too.......
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: HoMErMY12 on February 26, 2014, 04:12:27 PM
Can you guys please stop with this?
Now I am looking at these toys too.......
I know exactly what you mean.....
pity the bank account doesn't allow it, just makes me depressed  :-[
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: edz on February 26, 2014, 08:26:21 PM
Thought you might like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOXoEj8x26Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOXoEj8x26Y)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on February 27, 2014, 10:04:23 AM
Stop it EDZ......

That looks real good.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on February 27, 2014, 03:25:51 PM
Crashed it again! This is the home made quad that we have been playing with. Broke one arm. So it is back out to the shed and cut another pine arm. So cheep to repair I can afford to crash this one.
If you are not crashing you are not trying new things.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on February 27, 2014, 03:51:14 PM
What is a great cheapy to learn and see if you like it before you go and get the bigger for a camera?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on February 28, 2014, 07:22:42 AM
What is a great cheapy to learn and see if you like it before you go and get the bigger for a camera?

Depends how cheap you want to go. You can pick up some ultra micro quads with a TX for under a hundred. The one I bought is a Walkera QR W100S that can transmit pictures to (and be flown with) an iphone or android device. They come in a couple of configs - one that comes with a normal RC transmitter, and one without (which is what I got). I also bought a better transmitter than the stock one in the other kit. A couple of the entry level brands in ready to go kits to look for are Walkera and Hubsan.

Anyway, I got a couple of flights in on mine last weekend. It was blowing a gale outside, so flew it in my living room. Let's just say I have some learning to do..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 28, 2014, 07:39:29 AM
I reckon the way I went and Sawed-off went is the way to go to get into this. Buy a ready to fly (RTF) cheapy, see if it's for you, then progress from there. Hobbyking have some ripper RTF models and I'm sure Sawed-off will most likely if he already hasn't, provide a link to where he bought his walkera from.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 28, 2014, 07:47:23 AM
Crashed it again! This is the home made quad that we have been playing with. Broke one arm. So it is back out to the shed and cut another pine arm. So cheep to repair I can afford to crash this one.
If you are not crashing you are not trying new things.
Regards
Crispy
Are you flying this rig by line of sight or FPV?

All my flight batteries turned up in the mail yesterday, so now I have 5 x 2200mAh batteries and 3 x Camera/VTx 1500mAh batteries. Now just waiting on the pesky ESC's to arrive. The consignment from Hobbyking has an AU tracking number (yippee) so should/could be here today, or if my friendly parcel contractor comes through again, tomorrow (Saturday). I've only got a couple of hours of building left, then I'll be airborne. Getting there slowly, getting anxious as well. I want to get this thing in the air.

I'm going to set it up completely for FPV, but I'll be flying line of sight while I'm setting up the FC board. Thinking about knocking one of those knuckle h-quads up myself, they look nifty.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on February 28, 2014, 11:00:51 AM
Are you flying this rig by line of sight or FPV?

LOS at the moment. The Boy wants to go FPV but the way we I crash it that would not be good. I have a VTx and camera to go on it when we I learn to fly it.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on February 28, 2014, 12:07:55 PM
What is the difference in flying a quad copter or a coaxial chopper?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 28, 2014, 01:09:05 PM
What is the difference in flying a quad copter or a coaxial chopper?
For me, the one biggy is the weight of the blade you are swinging on a coaxial, and along with the weight, the inherent danger should the blade become loose. Not so dangerous with a ten inch prop blade (5 inches each side of hub) made of plastic on a quad compared to 10+ inches of blade each side of the 'hub' made of fibre glass or carbon fibre (don't know what the hub on a coaxial heli is called). One can be simply dangerous after precautions are taken, the other can still be lethal even if precautions are taken.

As for flight characteristics, wouldn't have a bloody clue.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on February 28, 2014, 04:44:41 PM
After a lot of reading I like the Parrot AR Drone.
Easy to fly as well if you can only use one hand/arm.
Mmmmm, now to convince the other half that it is good for something......
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on February 28, 2014, 09:34:10 PM
They look the goods, Wilsurf.

This is the one I bought. Note, no transmitter included. They do sell a kit with a transmitter if you look for it. http://www.banggood.com/Walkera-QR-W100S-FPV-WIFI-Remote-Control-RC-Quadcopter-p-74715.html (http://www.banggood.com/Walkera-QR-W100S-FPV-WIFI-Remote-Control-RC-Quadcopter-p-74715.html)

This is the transmitter I bought. I have some thoughts of buying a couple of receivers and throwing them into some cheap foamies for some park flying fun, so wanted something slightly more capable than the basic TX that comes with the full kit. The "wholesale" in the title means it doesn't come in a retail box, but you do get the trainer and usb cables. http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-Walkera-Devo-7E-7CH-Transmitter-p-48117.html (http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-Walkera-Devo-7E-7CH-Transmitter-p-48117.html)

And because I want to take my quad on the road (off the road?) on camping trips, I couldn't pass up the aluminium case. It's great. Worth the $20. Now I need something like it for the transmitter. http://www.banggood.com/Aluminum-Case-For-Walkera-W100S-RC-Quadcopter-p-80298.html (http://www.banggood.com/Aluminum-Case-For-Walkera-W100S-RC-Quadcopter-p-80298.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on February 28, 2014, 10:26:38 PM
Catching up on a couple of things i've completed.

The FPV Camera tlilt mount just requires some holes drilled in the aluminium angle then fitting on the front of the quad.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47876-1/FPV+Camera+and+VTx.jpg)

It will be driven by a hitec servo off my 6th channel on the transmitter.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47878-1/FPV+Camera+Tilt+Gimbal+Servo.jpg)

The earplugs isolate the camera from vibration caused by the motors.  And I've made a start on a flight box with spares for when at the field.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47880-1/Start+of+Flight+Box.jpg)

and along with this Road Ready RRUC case (http://www.derringers.com.au/products/Road-Ready-RRUC-Small-Utility-Case.html) that I've had for about 10 years for my transmitter, I'm just waiting on some final parts, but I'm all setup, ready to go.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47882-1/Transmitter+box.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on March 01, 2014, 10:35:24 AM
Road Ready RRUC case (http://www.derringers.com.au/products/Road-Ready-RRUC-Small-Utility-Case.html)

Cool case. Just the thing I'm looking for. You're a bad man, Marschy. First getting me interested in quads, and now pointing me at a music store. I really need a road case for my power amp (http://australianrocketry.org/pics/matt_noisemakers.jpg).   ;D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 01, 2014, 12:18:04 PM
Where are you gunna put the motors on them amps?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 02, 2014, 01:47:49 PM
Any comments on these

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bumblebee-550-Quadcopter-CF-W-Props-Motor-ESC-NAZA-Controller-DJI-GPS-Module-/151179991672?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item2333079a78 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bumblebee-550-Quadcopter-CF-W-Props-Motor-ESC-NAZA-Controller-DJI-GPS-Module-/151179991672?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item2333079a78)

GG
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 02, 2014, 01:59:53 PM
Can only comment on what I know. The controller is a goodun', and coupled with GPS will probably have features like altitude hold. 550 size is more stable for FPV than the 450 and you can run large batteries due to good payload capacity. There are probably down sides but haven't looked at 550's that much. This size appears to be the magic size where things start getting very expensive indeed.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on March 02, 2014, 02:49:10 PM
Any comments on these

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bumblebee-550-Quadcopter-CF-W-Props-Motor-ESC-NAZA-Controller-DJI-GPS-Module-/151179991672?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item2333079a78 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bumblebee-550-Quadcopter-CF-W-Props-Motor-ESC-NAZA-Controller-DJI-GPS-Module-/151179991672?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item2333079a78)

GG

You need to budget for the Tx and then Vtx/Rx and some sort of ground station or goggles for FPV and a camera gimbal not only in cost but in weight.
I have read some good things about the bumblebee.
Being a folding design would make it easy to transport.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 03, 2014, 11:52:08 AM
Aw crap, I got impatient doing all the wiring for the KK2.1 board yesterday and I think I may have fried the board when I connected the voltage monitor up the wrong way.

The wiring all the way back to the lipo battery has melted and because the wire was so thin, it burnt out like a fuse. The board still appears to be working, but without the last ESC connected I cannot work out if the board is stuffed or not. If I arm the board and run 3 motors only, motor 1, which does not have a matching motor at position 3 slowly increases speed without any input from the transmitter, all by itself. It is a very slow gradual increase, which suggests to me it's the firmware doing this. I think this may simply be the firmware trying to level the quad but without input from motor 3 it's getting confused.

The ESC's should be here any day so I will be able to tell pretty soon if I need to order another board.

This is the first thing I stuffed up so far, apart from the ESC not flashing. Funny thing with the ESC is that it still works with the original firmware, so I reckon not being able to flash it would indicate that there is a problem with the ESC in the first place and it is probably a good thing that it is not going on the quad. It can't now anyway, the firmware differences between the 3 flashed ESC's and the remaining one without SimonK firmware would most likely cause me issues anyway.

So close to getting this sucker in the air. A bit more patience on my part would have had it in the air this coming weekend. This could still be the case, but I will just have to wait and see.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 05, 2014, 09:17:22 PM
I definitely fried the KK board. Motor one goes into a slow runaway acceleration increase when you apply the smallest amount of throttle with all four new HK ESC's installed. I couldn't flash the new ESC's so they are all using bog standard software. The first ESC makes a crackling noise when I apply the throttle, not good. Motor still spins up, so I haven't stuffed the ESC (touch wood).

Ordered new KK board today. Paid top dollar for postage from the Hobbyking AU warehouse so should (could) be here for the weekend. Also replaced the hexagonal mounting board for the KK with a round one that will fit the canopy from the imitation security camera.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 05, 2014, 10:00:48 PM
Fried board or not, the build goes on.

The new canopy fits great, and the Fatshark PilotHD camera on it's tilt servo (runs on channel 6, no more channels  :-[)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on March 06, 2014, 09:58:03 AM
Will be good to see it flying.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: D4D on March 10, 2014, 07:55:08 AM
OK roll call, where were you guys yesterday?

http://www.news.com.au/national/man-accused-of-using-drone-to-try-and-drop-off-drugs-into-melbourne-remand-centre/story-e6frfkp9-1226849877220 (http://www.news.com.au/national/man-accused-of-using-drone-to-try-and-drop-off-drugs-into-melbourne-remand-centre/story-e6frfkp9-1226849877220)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Tim - Stratford on March 10, 2014, 11:14:51 AM
Which one of you blokes got busted???  :police:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/arrest-after-drone-with-drugs-nabbed-near-metropolitan-remand-centre-20140310-34g4z.html (http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/arrest-after-drone-with-drugs-nabbed-near-metropolitan-remand-centre-20140310-34g4z.html)

Tim
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 10, 2014, 11:40:40 AM
Twernt me. Has anybody seen my phone, or stash?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on March 10, 2014, 12:12:18 PM
I can neither confirm or deny I was in the area.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on March 10, 2014, 12:20:36 PM
I made a mistake last Saturday: I went into a hobby store.
Those plane are great. I had a chat with one of the guys and had a go at the simulator.
Mmmm, maybe I have to get a Bixler?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 10, 2014, 12:27:30 PM
I made a mistake last Saturday: I went into a hobby store.
Those plane are great. I had a chat with one of the guys and had a go at the simulator.
Mmmm, maybe I have to get a Bixler?
I'm looking at something similar, the FPVRaptor. Look at some example footage on YouTube of both the bixler and the raptor. Most often the nose of the bixler is in the field of view of the camera, but not with the stumpy, wide nosed raptor. Both excellent value though.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on March 10, 2014, 06:50:26 PM
A couple of photos from the weekend
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/My%20Swag%20Trips/G0150662.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/My%20Swag%20Trips/G0150662.jpg.html)
We are on the beach and we are looking over our camps at Rosebud
A little image and a Firefox cub enjoying a swim
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/crispimage/My%20Swag%20Trips/G0140605.jpg) (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/crispimage/media/My%20Swag%20Trips/G0140605.jpg.html)

However no photos over the remand centre (that I am going to admit to at least)

Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on March 12, 2014, 09:58:18 AM
Looking good Marchy, but where do you buy them?
Of Hobbyking?
They don't have a RTF in Australia.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 12, 2014, 04:25:01 PM
Looking good Marchy, but where do you buy them?
Of Hobbyking?
They don't have a RTF in Australia.

Get it from the Hobbyking international warehouse FPV Raptor Composite 1600mm (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18764__FPVRaptor_Composite_1600mm_PNF_.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on March 12, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
Can't:
"Due to recent changes in Air Transport safety, we cannot ship orders from Hong Kong containing a box length of more than 1 meter with Lithium batteries of more than 1,000mAh
Please kindly order your batteries and large planes separately.
Orders from our regional warehouses (DE,US,AU,UK) are not affected by this restriction."

What is the best mode to use for the transmittor if you can only use your left hand? Mode 1
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 12, 2014, 05:48:51 PM
There is an example of what could be a suitable transmitter to be seen on the flite test YouTube channel. A guy and his father make a rudder control that is a potentiometer that rotates on the end of the rudder/elevator gimbal, effectively giving 3 axis control on one transmitter stick. I'll see if I can find a link for you.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 12, 2014, 05:58:03 PM
I just reread the message you received from hobbyking. What this means is you will need to raise the order for the batteries in one order, and you should be able to get whatever battery you need from the Australian warehouse. Then raise another order for the plane from the international warehouse. It means you'll pay a bit more for shipping with two orders but until the Australian warehouse receives stock that the quickest way to order it. The international listing site states that stock is in transit to Australia, but I don't know how long that has been the case.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on March 12, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
You can't see how much shipping/transport is.
The table they provide goes to 1.5 kg, while these planes are over that weight.

Another thing.
How much open space would you need to learn to fly?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 12, 2014, 06:16:04 PM
I'll find out how much shipping is as I have an account. Football field size space, then multiply that by two or more times that space. Honestly, my best advice if you haven't flown fixed wing before is to join a rc model club and get trained on a buddy radio system where they hook your radio up by cable to an instructors radio and they take over control if you loose control
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 12, 2014, 06:33:16 PM
Shipping is $42.52, total including shipping is $118.28. But you will need a radio as well. Suggest the turnigy 9xr plus orange Tx module and 9 channel receiver (this is what I'm looking at getting). Cheap as chips for a nine channel radio. Also look into the multiwii or similar (cyclops storm) flight stabiliser board and gps. The cyclops has lots of excellent reviews and gives you things like altitude hold, pilot assist, which correct the aircraft due to wind buffet, return to home.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 12, 2014, 07:26:52 PM
What is the best mode to use for the transmittor if you can only use your left hand? Mode 1
Howdy Wilsurf,

Mode 2 may be more suitable, as you can still steer a plane using a techique called bank and yank (search youtube). A mode 2 radio could prove to be even more suitable if you can get a hold of one of the rudder controls mentioned in this video Flite Test - Stingray 500 - REVIEW (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnGhEInTXYc).
Then with a plane, the throttle would be mostly set and forget and then all control provided by the right stick (aileron/elevator and possibly rudder). Most times when I'm flying, I've got time to take my hand off one of the controls and scratch my arse or shoe a fly away and still only have one hand flying a plane or quad for a short period of time with mode 1. So if you are flying mode 2, then once the throttle is set at takeoff and you are flying straight and level, you can remove your hand from the right stick, set the throttle on the left stick to a comfortable speed, then move your hand back to the right stick to control the attitude of the plane again.

Mode 2 is

right gimbal = up/down - elevator (yank), right/left - aileron (bank)
left gimbal = up/down - throttle (which is friction controlled meaning it stays where you leave it, i.e. set and forget), right/left - rudder.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on March 13, 2014, 09:56:02 AM
Thanks.
It would be easier to have the steering controls on the left stick as I am left handed.
So $118.28 for the Raptor delivered? Not bad.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: edz on March 13, 2014, 03:48:03 PM
Starting to get some payloads on these things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf6JKJyFLVI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf6JKJyFLVI)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on March 13, 2014, 04:10:04 PM
Found the FMS Easy Trainer 1280 http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/231120596613?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/231120596613?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)
Anyone know these?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 14, 2014, 08:42:48 AM
Found the FMS Easy Trainer 1280 http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/231120596613?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/231120596613?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)
Anyone know these?

The 1200 wing span size trainers are a bit twitchier to fly than the 1500-1600mm wing span planes, that's about all I can offer. Other than that, these pusher type planes tend to be highly regarded.

I've ordered my new Turnigy 9XR radio, Orange 2G4 transmitter module and 9 channel receiver, aluminum case and two batteries. Came out at $201 delivered from Hobbyking NSW. I'm going to order the Raptor next pay day.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 15, 2014, 09:08:40 AM
Finally got the quad into the air.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47929-1/First+Flight.JPG)

Still trimming the settings. Drifts around a little on Self Level mode so I have to adjust something/somewhere, I'll work it out.

Cracked one prop so far, still flying with it while I master hovering this tricky little sucker.

Snapping more legs than I anticipated, already snapped 4 legs, good thing I bought heaps of spares. The landing legs are acrylic, but pretty brittle. The dome cover over the KK board is doing it's bit, scratched, cracked, dirt, moisture from the lawn all over it. But I ordered a KK2.1 / KK2.0 Protective Case (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261423067954) for it anyway from ebay, and I'll do away with the dome cover at some stage.

I loaded the V1.9S1 firmware and it was over the top with how sensitive it reacted to stick input, now running the V1.12S1 beginner firmware, much friendlier.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on March 15, 2014, 12:02:24 PM
Finally got the quad into the air.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/47929-1/First+Flight.JPG)

Still trimming the settings. Drifts around a little on Self Level mode so I have to adjust something/somewhere, I'll work it out.

Cracked one prop so far, still flying with it while I master hovering this tricky little sucker.

Snapping more legs than I anticipated, already snapped 4 legs, good thing I bought heaps of spares. The landing legs are acrylic, but pretty brittle. The dome cover over the KK board is doing it's bit, scratched, cracked, dirt, moisture from the lawn all over it. But I ordered a KK2.1 / KK2.0 Protective Case (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261423067954) for it anyway from ebay, and I'll do away with the dome cover at some stage.

I loaded the V1.9S1 firmware and it was over the top with how sensitive it reacted to stick input, now running the V1.12S1 beginner firmware, much friendlier.

Well done. They are fun to fly.
I have pvc rings ad landing gear so they act like springs and bounce on landing. SL mode is easiest to fly in and every time I go to normal mode I seem to crash.
Did you get the new USAASP programmer?
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 15, 2014, 12:44:28 PM
Yep got the programmer, still can't flash the esc's, no prob with the KK board though
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on March 20, 2014, 03:32:44 PM
OK - got hooked .. bought a cheapy from China and had a play / lots of crashes ..  very unstable can't figure me left from its right !!LOL ... and then .....

so bit the bullet and gave some dollars away for a DJI Phantom FC40 -- Just got some extra batteries , platforms , camera gimbal and a wifi sports camera ...

Should have it altogether and me trained before the Red Centre trip ...

Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on March 20, 2014, 04:47:00 PM
OK - got hooked .. bought a cheapy from China and had a play / lots of crashes ..  very unstable can't figure me left from its right !!LOL ... and then .....

so bit the bullet and gave some dollars away for a DJI Phantom FC40 -- Just got some extra batteries , platforms , camera gimbal and a wifi sports camera ...

Should have it altogether and me trained before the Red Centre trip ...

Mandrake
Good to see my hard earned money going to good use after the purchase of my solar!
So addictive. So much fun
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on March 20, 2014, 04:49:00 PM
Hey Marschy,
How is the flying going?
Lots of crashes?
Broken any arms yet?
Lots of fun.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 20, 2014, 06:30:06 PM
Would you believe I have been grounded by the loss of a bloody $0.05 e-clip off one of the motor shafts. Waiting for some to arrive in the mail. Busted 4 props so far and 5 landing legs
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on March 20, 2014, 07:48:43 PM
OK - got hooked .. bought a cheapy from China and had a play / lots of crashes ..  very unstable can't figure me left from its right !!LOL ... and then .....
I thought your tree trimming and crash landings were second to none ??? :D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on March 20, 2014, 07:52:13 PM
I think I had it down to a fine art on the weekend ....

What did someone say - a poor man's boomerang ???

Oh well at least no animals were harmed in the making of the film ... LOL
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Plastered on March 20, 2014, 09:06:20 PM
As I just got a gopro for my birthday from the missus
Just wondering if there is an easy to use quad or drone that will bring it back to earth safely?
I have had 2 helicopters and after they came back to earth they were never the same
Thanks Matt
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 20, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
Yep a dji phantom
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: HoMErMY12 on March 20, 2014, 09:32:00 PM
As Marschy said. The popular out of the box solution is the DJI phantom.

The other option I've also looked at is the Blade 350QX.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: JGM on March 21, 2014, 07:21:41 AM
I just got the DJI Phantom Vision.

Easy to fly (and I've never flown ANY remote controlled thing before) and great fun.  The camera that it comes with isn't as good as the go-pro, but good enough for me.  You can Wi-Fi it to your phone and see what it is seeing.  Lots of other clever features for novices like me, it even fly's itself home if battery is running low or if it looses signal from the controller.  Has a built in GPS too so you can find it if it gets lost.

Cheers
JGM
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 22, 2014, 08:51:19 AM
Finally sorted out flashing the last ESC with SimonK software. WOW what a difference. Flight is more stable for sure, haven't broken anything this morning. Ended up binning the kit ESC that wouldn't flash, ordered a new ESC (HK SS30A HW) and flashed it by soldering (not the HK flash tool, it's a piece of junk).

Also replaced the kit motors with Turnigy 935Kv Multistar motor and prop combo for a little over $13 a motor. Now cheap is cheap I know, but comparing these two motors is like comparing a Lada with a Suzuki (can't go as high as a Toyota or Nissan). Some may argue that a Suzuki is not as superior as a Lada  >:D, but the quality of the new motors is far superior to the kit motor even at the low cost.

Also dialled in 20 on Throttle Dampening in MISC settings because every time I yaw on the rudder, the quad drops about 4 feet, and a little less with elevator and aileron. I stepped this up in increments of 5 starting from zero, and I'll have a bit more of a play around with this once I have some juice back in the batteries.

I have to order a head strap for my AEE Magicam so I can get some footage before I take the leap into FPV and BEYOND.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on March 22, 2014, 09:00:11 AM
Added a few extras to my ever increasing Flying Bill --
Small Go-Pro like 5 MPixel wifi cam ..
Camera gimbal
2 spare batteries 2500mah
spare battery carrier things ( in case I want to go dual batteries for extra flight time )

Just gotta wait now - dammit I'm always waiting for good stuff to arrive ...  :cup: :cup:

Will have to close Mandrake's Solar Power and open up Mandrake's Aerial Photographics just to pay for it all ...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 22, 2014, 09:02:12 AM
I don't look at the bill anymore, the look of guilt on my face makes my wife ask too many questions.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on March 22, 2014, 09:04:11 AM
Yeah I know -- She goes to the front door - knows the posty by first name -- Turns around glares at me and says - "What have you bought now ? " ... I crawl away and hide in the camper for a few hours .... ;D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 22, 2014, 09:17:07 AM
What sort of camera gimbal did you go with Mandrake, servo or brushless?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: D4D on March 22, 2014, 10:06:15 AM
I just got the DJI Phantom Vision.

 :worthles:
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on March 22, 2014, 10:35:08 AM
http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6043071677.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6043071677.html) One of this !! Brushless with tilt control ? ( Is that what its called ) - Hope its OK .
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 22, 2014, 10:44:43 AM
Very nice
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Big Tread on March 23, 2014, 05:14:49 PM
Took the boys to the Greensborough model aero club public air show today.  Lots of great planes and copters. The jet powered planes where pretty neat, loud and fast! Also, well done to my BIL who was stunt flying his helicopter when he lost tail rotor control.  He managed to land it one piece and avoid a nasty crash and got a nice round of applause from the crowd.  Don't think spinning rotor blades flying into the crowd would have gone down well, so they appreciated the good flying!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 26, 2014, 12:05:08 PM
Helicopter and drone in near miss (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/helicopter-and-drone-in-near-miss/story-e6frfku9-1226865255571)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on March 26, 2014, 06:13:46 PM
Helicopter and drone in near miss (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/helicopter-and-drone-in-near-miss/story-e6frfku9-1226865255571)

Just what we need. Some one not following the rules.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 26, 2014, 06:46:48 PM


The other option I've also looked at is the Blade 350QX.


I have been researching these and can get one from Metro hobbies which looks like a good deal, http://metrohobbies.com.au/radio-control/multi-rotors/rtf-bnf-and-arf/blade-350-qx-quadcopter-bnf.html (http://metrohobbies.com.au/radio-control/multi-rotors/rtf-bnf-and-arf/blade-350-qx-quadcopter-bnf.html)

The only thing that worries me is that I have a hero 3 black and they are supposed to play up with the rf from the camera with the GPS lock. Still trying to work out if I really need one ;D

GG
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on March 26, 2014, 07:15:50 PM

The only thing that worries me is that I have a hero 3 black and they are supposed to play up with the rf from the camera with the GPS lock. Still trying to work out if I really need one ;D

GG
You cant use the wireless out of the camera as it will interfere with the transmitter. dedicated video down link is required. Most of them are 5.8ghz and do not interfere with the 2.4ghz stuff.
And of  course you need one! >:D
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 26, 2014, 07:22:10 PM
You cant use the wireless out of the camera as it will interfere with the transmitter. dedicated video down link is required. Most of them are 5.8ghz and do not interfere with the 2.4ghz stuff.
And of  course you need one! >:D
Regards
Crispy


Its not the wireless which is the problem, even the camera in standby looks to be a problem unless you shield the bottom of the copter of wrap the gopro in foil

GoPro Hero3 Black+ and Blade 350QX GPS Failure and FIX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_3na2zd5t0#ws)

GG
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: prodigyrf on March 30, 2014, 11:56:10 PM
Helicopter and drone in near miss (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/helicopter-and-drone-in-near-miss/story-e6frfku9-1226865255571)


Don't mess with drones-
https://www.youtube.com/embed/SNPJMk2fgJU (https://www.youtube.com/embed/SNPJMk2fgJU)
And the missus reckons she doesn't like handguns  ::)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: oldmate on March 31, 2014, 05:48:12 AM
That's some scary stuff right there.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on March 31, 2014, 06:24:43 AM
I fail to see what the incident in Newcastle has to do with a red neck video from YouTube. I seriously question the link between the two.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: prodigyrf on April 03, 2014, 07:16:04 PM
That's some scary stuff right there.

Yeah, the bil sends them to me as we both shoot trap and some of his more chequered acquaintances keep him up to date with the 'latest and greatest'. I would imagine that domestic drone in the vid is nothing compared to the ones that make Osama's mates a whole lot more paranoid than the missus is around my shotgun  ;D   
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 03, 2014, 07:23:55 PM
Wish this wind would die down during the day !!!  >:( >:( >:(
I'm trying to get out and learn to fly and film ... Can't do that with the Phantom buzzing wildly against the wind ... Not happy !!

BUT - I have managed to fit some extras to the copter -- I extended the landing gear to help prevent the fall over on landing - 2 bits of alum tube about 25mm longer than the
existing skids held on with nylon ties .. Also have mounted the twin battery shelves - still waiting on the twin batteries ... Fitted 9" props instead of the 8" it comes with to give
me a 20% increase in payload .. I've been reading and youtubing heaps of stuff ...

Anyone coming to knockwood will not have to duck and cringe in fear when I man the controls -- Nothing like the last effort !!

Pics coming soon ...

Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: prodigyrf on April 03, 2014, 07:51:43 PM
Yo'all drone folks with yer quads, hex, octo anythings would all be right welcome down at Big Sandy with the boys-
Machine Guns vs DRONES - Crazy! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP33crds1tI#ws)

Only in America would they ramp up the gentle art of trap and skeet like that. Crazy b's with too much dough.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on April 04, 2014, 07:27:56 AM
Wish this wind would die down during the day !!!  >:( >:( >:(
I'm trying to get out and learn to fly and film ... Can't do that with the Phantom buzzing wildly against the wind ... Not happy !!


Anyone coming to knockwood will not have to duck and cringe in fear when I man the controls -- Nothing like the last effort !!

Pics coming soon ...

Mandrake
I would have loved to go to Knockwood but alas I have to work that weekend.
The wind had been ok here. I even had my scratch built in the ait the other day.
Doing some checks and balances in my DJI today. Something is not quite right.
When you do fly the Phantom you will find it much easier than the cheep one you have. The flight controller has a far better brain in it.
Have fun with that.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 04, 2014, 07:34:07 AM
The flight controller has a far better brain in it.


Mate its got a better brain than mine !!!
The GPS thing is really good as long as you remember to do the home point thing before take off ... I'm dreading the day I forget and it tries to fly back to Wyndham Vale or the last home point !!

I know it works as I ran out of battery in the controller the other day - Phantom went straight up to 20m then made its way back to me and dropped slowly to land about 3 metres away ..

Can't wait for the gimbal to stop all the camera movement - But I gotta get out and learn how to fly really well before I try something like flying up a creek to a waterfall !!

Cheers

sTEVE
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on April 04, 2014, 07:37:58 AM
Mate its got a better brain than mine !!!
The GPS thing is really good as long as you remember to do the home point thing before take off ... I'm dreading the day I forget and it tries to fly back to Wyndham Vale or the last home point !!

I know it works as I ran out of battery in the controller the other day - Phantom went straight up to 20m then made its way back to me and dropped slowly to land about 3 metres away ..

Can't wait for the gimbal to stop all the camera movement - But I gotta get out and learn how to fly really well before I try something like flying up a creek to a waterfall !!

Cheers

sTEVE
RTH is a great thing. Does the home point set automatically or is it something you have to do. Mine sets auto as soon as it has a GPS lock and it is not flying.
Hobbyking have a new 3D way gimbal for a reasonable price ($245USD) They look good. There are so many around now it is hard to choose.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 04, 2014, 07:41:02 AM
The Tarot brushless gimbal on Hobbyking gets some good reviews. Really good price as well
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 04, 2014, 07:42:50 AM
yep its auto but you have to wait for the GPS to lock on - that can take a while and if you're in a hurry and take off before the GPS lock then the home point is the last one it locked in .I believe  that's one of the causes of the Phantom "flyaways" .. M
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 04, 2014, 07:46:16 AM
After Easter, I'm going to get the HKPilot Mega 2.5.2 ArduPilot from HK. This flying by the seat of your pant's stuff is doin' my head in, not to mention landing gear and propellers.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 08, 2014, 03:11:18 PM
Got my RC Tools and Gimbal today - so had a go at fitting gimbal to Phantom -- Hardest part was the rubber vibration dampers !! ..

But got it all done and working - Camera is not exactly level but I'll work on that a bit later -

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/08/u5uhuvyn.jpg)

Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: GGV8Cruza on April 08, 2014, 03:39:31 PM
Got my RC Tools and Gimbal today - so had a go at fitting gimbal to Phantom -- Hardest part was the rubber vibration dampers !! ..

But got it all done and working - Camera is not exactly level but I'll work on that a bit later -

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/08/u5uhuvyn.jpg)

Mandrake


Looks the goods, not that I have one yet but if the rubber grommets are the only thing holding the plates together on the gimble I have seen most people put a loose cable tie through the middle to make sure there is no separation during flying or landing, soft or hard  >:D

GG
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 08, 2014, 04:35:15 PM
I saw that on one of the Youtube vids - makes sense - not that my camera is a Hero Black 3 but all the same I'd rather not drop it from a great height ...
Macca could be underneath  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 08, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
Just add a bucket load of trim to your aileron, you'll be fine.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 08, 2014, 04:41:09 PM
Marschy ,

Do you know how to adjust the level on a gimbal ?? Is that roll ? Which I don't have a control for ...  ;D

Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 08, 2014, 04:42:53 PM
Sorry, my response was tongue in cheek. No can't help you, Crispies your man, he's done the gimbal business with his DJI gear, drop him a PM.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 08, 2014, 04:49:39 PM
Marschy ,

Do you know how to adjust the level on a gimbal ?? Is that roll ? Which I don't have a control for ...  ;D

Mandrake
Yes the control you need to adjust is roll. But there should be a control for that, especially on a brushless gimbal.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 08, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
When I said there isn't one - what I meant was there is not knob to adjust it with AND I didnt fit the control cable coz I didn't fink I'd need it !!!
Must be able to fit that cable then adjust in the Naza software ???
I'll see what crispy says - It could be the magnetometer board needs to be "exactly" horizontal ???

Cheers

Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 08, 2014, 04:54:20 PM
There could very well be a calibration process to zero the gimbals on the control board. That is where I would start.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 08, 2014, 04:55:36 PM
Have to pull it apart and fit the roll control cable !! Bugger !
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 08, 2014, 05:01:48 PM
This reminds me of putting my quad together with no instructions, lots of trial and error.

It also reminds me of the movie "Those magnificent men in their flying machines" with the German officer standing in the cockpit of the plane and reading the instructions from the flying manual, the first one reads "Sit down". Hilarious.

The old instruction manual is a good place to start, if you got one with the gimbal that is. A lot of these things for quads require hours of trolling forums to work out.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 08, 2014, 05:26:40 PM
Think I got it...looks straight now...better leave that cable attached now...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 10, 2014, 07:27:56 PM
This is 2 small sections from todays video using the Phantom with Chinese GoPro and Gimbal...

Let me know what you think of stability and film quality ( NOT content etc as I am still learning the flying bit !! )

Cheers

Mandrake

PS - Turn speakers down as there is a bit of engine whine ... Music comes later when the film is worth it !!

http://youtu.be/NN4t32JLX-E (http://youtu.be/NN4t32JLX-E)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Brett B on April 10, 2014, 07:33:07 PM
Looks ok to me  ;D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 10, 2014, 07:33:07 PM
Gimbal is certainly doing a fantastic job, video quality is bloody good too. What is your assessment of the flying quality of the new quad?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 10, 2014, 07:36:06 PM
The prop savers certainly give you a good idea of how much pitch and roll the camera gimbal is correcting
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 10, 2014, 07:49:07 PM
Gimbal is certainly doing a fantastic job, video quality is bloody good too. What is your assessment of the flying quality of the new quad?

Never having flown any R/C thing before its bloody easy and because of the GPS thingy when you let go of the sticks it just stops and hovers
until you get it to move again ... If I can learn to fly this thing in forests etc then I'm going to get some really good footage I hope ..
Very happy with the gimbal ... M
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Myst on April 11, 2014, 08:59:44 AM
been following this thread for quite some time, and rather envious of some of the toys here!!

Silly question - do the cameras transmit to a recorder unit on the ground, or just record to camera? The reason i ask is i am looking at getting a similar set-up but i need to know where the camera is pointing/ recording.

Also, how much noise do they make?

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 11, 2014, 09:08:00 AM
Hello Myst,

The recording bit depends upon your setup. I have a Fatshark FPV camera with onboard DVR. It also transmits video via a 250mW transmitter to a ground receiver built into head goggles but records at the video source.

Go-Pro's and the like allow live video feed via a 3.5mm AV socket on the earlier models and via the mini USB on the gopro 3 models upwards. So they can feed video back to a ground station whilst simultaneously recording on the actual Go-pro.

If you transmit the video directly to a ground station recorder, the resolution suffers due to the analogue video transmitter loosing resolution, so the better option is to record directly at the video source.

Mandrakes video gives you a good indication of the noise generated by the motors and propellors. It's actually pretty quiet in his setup but can get noisy depending upon how poorly balanced propellers and motors are.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: JGM on April 12, 2014, 08:03:29 AM
Hi Myst

There is a different unit to the one Marschy described.  It's basically the same DJI Phantom helicopter / drone but with a DJI camera already installed, it's called the Phantom Vision.
It has it's own Wi-Fi which transmits the picture to a normal smartphone to which you have downloaded a DJI Phantom app.  You can "see" what the camera is seeing and take still photo's or videos all operated by you and the phone.  You can then send the photos to your phone (even while the drone is still up in the air) or you can remove the micro sd card from the back of the camera when it lands and upload the photos to the computer.
The picture quality is probably not as good as the go-pro ones, but at 14 mp it's plenty good enough for me!
The app also gives you other handy info, like amount of satellites the unit is picking up, altitude, heading, distance from you and battery %.  It also has a feature to find the drone using GPS / google maps if you lose it.

Cheers
JGM
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 12, 2014, 08:07:18 AM
How good is the range of the Wi-Fi for transmitting video? The parrot AR Drone uses WiFi as well
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: JGM on April 12, 2014, 09:52:19 AM
Marschy

I get about 300-400 meters out of the Wi-Fi.  There are plenty of mods that can be done to get way further.  That is far enough for me at the moment, too much further than that and you cant see it and severe puckering sets in!  Once I get more confident with it I might start flying it out of sight.

Cheers
JGM
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 13, 2014, 12:15:22 PM
Here's a photo I took earlier -
I'm using the FC40 camera for FPV and possibly extra footage from different angle --
Landing gear has been extended with long hex nuts and the gimbal is also suspended by two
long hex nuts...
Total mass is now up at 1340 grams - 140 over limit ...
Cheers
Mandrake
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/13/uvy4azan.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 13, 2014, 01:04:55 PM
Have you got yourself some googles for FPV yet Mandrake?

Also curious about your camera. You mentioned it wasn't a Go-Pro, but a knock-off. But from the looks of it, it is based on a Go-Pro platform. Any links to where you got it as I'm in the market for a Go-Pro shaped camera as there are so many gimbals made specifically for Go-Pro and none for my AEE Magicam. Good as my camera is, it may be relegated  to other duties simply for lack of a suitable gimbal mount.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 13, 2014, 01:09:36 PM
Got the camera here - The WiFi is crap but might get better when I get the WiFi extender gizmo....
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-5-0MP-Full-HD-1080P-Underwater-Action-Sport-Camera-CAM-WiFi-DV-Camcorder-WDV5000/1518008545.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-5-0MP-Full-HD-1080P-Underwater-Action-Sport-Camera-CAM-WiFi-DV-Camcorder-WDV5000/1518008545.html)
Here's the link for the gimbal if you need it -
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Silver-DJI-Phantom-Brushless-Gimbal-Aluminum-Camera-Mount-with-Motor-Controller-for-GoPro-Hero-1-2/1568692513.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Silver-DJI-Phantom-Brushless-Gimbal-Aluminum-Camera-Mount-with-Motor-Controller-for-GoPro-Hero-1-2/1568692513.html)
Comes with waterproof case - stand - head band ... spare batteries are US$11
Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 13, 2014, 01:16:21 PM
Cheers,

My quad should look a bit different after Easter, getting it geared up for gimbal and new flight control board with GPS. Also looking at either making a delta wing or buying a HK Tek Sumo. Should be a bit of fun for under $100. Trying to find foam insulation board and cut my own wings, shouldn't be that hard to make.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Myst on April 14, 2014, 09:05:57 AM
Sweet, thanks mate... we're looking at one for commerical filming so need the highest res we can get, but its a good place to start!!

Hi Myst

There is a different unit to the one Marschy described.  It's basically the same DJI Phantom helicopter / drone but with a DJI camera already installed, it's called the Phantom Vision.
It has it's own Wi-Fi which transmits the picture to a normal smartphone to which you have downloaded a DJI Phantom app.  You can "see" what the camera is seeing and take still photo's or videos all operated by you and the phone.  You can then send the photos to your phone (even while the drone is still up in the air) or you can remove the micro sd card from the back of the camera when it lands and upload the photos to the computer.
The picture quality is probably not as good as the go-pro ones, but at 14 mp it's plenty good enough for me!
The app also gives you other handy info, like amount of satellites the unit is picking up, altitude, heading, distance from you and battery %.  It also has a feature to find the drone using GPS / google maps if you lose it.

Cheers
JGM
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: JGM on April 14, 2014, 11:29:14 AM
Myst

For commercial filming you'd be better off going for the Phantom 2 with the go-pro, gimbal and all the extras.  There is a mob in Sydney that can supply and install all the extras for you and put it in a Pelican type case for transporting it.

If you watch a few instructional video's on the DJI site, you'll be able to unpack it, put the props on and fly it within 10 minutes!

PM me and I'll give you their contact details if you like.  I found them very helpful when I bought mine.

Cheers
JGM
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Myst on April 14, 2014, 12:20:12 PM
Thanks mate, PM inbound!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Sawed-Off on April 14, 2014, 05:52:30 PM
If you do any of this for money, you need to be licensed, and the UAV needs to pass some specific requirements of CASA. Do some research before plunking down any money.

HTTP://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_100374 (http://HTTP://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_100374)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 14, 2014, 11:35:01 PM
This guy is an amazing quad pilot

http://youtu.be/fYtw17i_CXU (http://youtu.be/fYtw17i_CXU)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 14, 2014, 11:58:40 PM
That's amazing .!!!!

Sent from my AML-MX REF using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: itchvet on April 18, 2014, 06:32:45 PM
Funny you guys started this thread. I had a 25cc Whipper Snipper that the starter spring jammed up in so I did this
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb270/rodweb/Phone%20Photos/IMAG0319_zpsd8bcce08.jpg)

And now I have got this far and am not quite sure what to do next....
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb270/rodweb/Mobile%20Uploads/20140105_125334_zpspkpgzdac.jpg)

All of the surplus casting has been milled away and you can see the flywheel has been heavily trimmed on my lathe and mill to save weight.

The 14"  prop is a bit small but it was the biggest the hobby shop had.

I was going to mount it on a stand and wire in a kill switch to see if I could start it by flipping the prop before getting carried away.

Any help or guidance will be appreciated. I think it needs to go in an 80" wing span plane.

 I have just the plane for you, Fiberglass fuse, lite ply balsa sheeted wings ready to cover/paint, fit engine/radio gear and away you go. Too bad your not in W.A. I'd probably give it away real cheap. Gave the hobby away 10 years ago, got shed full of stuff collection spiders.
Props, crikey got heaps all big ones too right up to 22 " that should give some idea of the motors I used to run.
BTW, I'd advise most definitely fit a  kill switch to the magento, this prevents ignition when some idiot walks past and tries to flip the prop while your not looking.
Last but not the least, I have a gas turbine plane collecting spider webs, every body expects me to give it away for nothing.
IF, I was to ever receive a GENUINE offer, I'd probably sell it very cheap.
Maybe some one would be interested in buying just the turbine for a show piece ?
I'm open to offers.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 25, 2014, 05:07:47 PM
Courier's Please just delivered my Tek Sumo at 4:30 on Anzac Day. Gob smacked.

Guess what I'm going to be doing for the remainder of the weekend?



Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on April 25, 2014, 07:45:01 PM
I need to do some maintenance on my quad. I just nee some time to sit down with it. Maybe next week.
Have fun with your new toy Marschy and remember  :worthles:
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 27, 2014, 08:30:55 PM
Started putting my Tek Suma delta wing together.

Moved the battery and receiver/ESC compartment from the top surface of the wing to the bottom surface of the wing. Left wing is after mod, right wing is yet to be modified.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48315-1/Moving+Electronics+Bays+from+Bottom+to+Top+of+TS.jpg)

Wings all joined together (epoxy and fibre glass tape).

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48317-1/Tek+Sumo+Wings+Joined.jpg)

My power plant of choice. A 2200Kv outrunner spinning a 6x5 prop, 40A ESC, fueled by 2200mAh liPo

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48319-1/Tek+Sumo+Power+Plant.jpg)

More to come as it progresses.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on April 29, 2014, 08:05:47 PM
Hey Mandrake,
Nice video in the other thread. Are you FPVing or LOS?
And at night you have to watch out for drop bears in the gum trees.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on April 29, 2014, 08:07:59 PM
LOS at the moment - I've got the FPV camera and app but find it difficult to watch when flying -Its a time thing - I'll get it sooner or later .. Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: speewa158 on April 29, 2014, 08:10:24 PM
After how many hair cuts    ,   or worse  :cheers:
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on April 29, 2014, 09:11:52 PM
LOS at the moment - I've got the FPV camera and app but find it difficult to watch when flying -Its a time thing - I'll get it sooner or later .. Mandrake
I haven't taken the plunge with fpv yet. I'm going to wait until the GPS upgrade is done. OSD looks fantastic for finding your way home over tree tops
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Tim - Stratford on May 07, 2014, 07:57:58 PM
Anyone building one of these?  >:D

Prototype Quadrotor with Machine Gun! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU#ws)

Tim
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on May 29, 2014, 01:24:40 PM
Pizza anyone?

Food flying fast via drone delivery at Francesco?s Pizzeria in Mumbai (http://www.news.com.au/finance/food-flying-fast-via-drone-delivery-at-francescos-pizzeria-in-mumbai/story-e6frfm1i-1226927663675)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on May 29, 2014, 01:55:34 PM
I think the price of Pizza might go up after a few one way deliveries....$2500 each.

Sent from the thing that does everything.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on June 04, 2014, 09:15:29 AM
The GPS upgrade is about to happen for my F450 quad. I've just received a MultiWii Pro + MTK3329 GPS, bluetooth adapter and OSD in the mail. That's for my F450, which will be my hack FPV platform. I'll be flashing the MultiWii Pro with MegaPirateNG firmware so I can use the ArduCoptor software for waypoint navigation.

I've also received a very roomy HK Alien 560 carbon fibre frame along with a Naza M V2 + GPS with BTU and iOSD. This one is going to be my photography platform and will be decked out with the best I can afford.

(http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/51425.jpg)

I've bought this along with a Tarot T2D gimbal and also found a camera on Aliexpress that is 1080 @ 30fps and 720 @ 60fps and about the same size as a GoPro, but more importantly, it has live video out for only $82.99US. I am curious to see if this camera can double as an FPV/DVR camera on the F450 quad.

HD 1080P 1.5 inch Sport Action Helmet Camera DV Waterproof Extreme mini camcorders With HDMI TV Output H.264 8MP 150 view angle (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/HD-1080P-1-5-inch-Sport-Action-Helmet-Camera-DV-Waterproof-Extreme-mini-camcorders-With-HDMI/1685506086.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on June 04, 2014, 10:13:20 AM
If that camera doesn't have WIFI how do you get FPV ? Is there a video transmitter on board as well ? M
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on June 04, 2014, 12:24:01 PM
If that camera doesn't have WIFI how do you get FPV ? Is there a video transmitter on board as well ? M
If you use, wifi it can play up with the radio. Best use a dedicated 5.8GHz video transmitter and receiver.
Regards
Crispy

Sent from a thing that can't spell

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on June 04, 2014, 12:34:09 PM
^^^^^^^^^ What Crispy said, this is the Vtx I've bought

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=17507 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=17507)

(http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/17507(2).jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on June 04, 2014, 12:43:20 PM
My Phantom is the reverse - 5.8 for controlling flight and 2.4 for Video / FPV ...
I'm waiting on a new gimbal as I had a accident with landing on the last one !! Camera survived gimbal control board didn't ...
Once I get it and fit it up I'll take a pic and post it ... M
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on June 04, 2014, 12:45:12 PM
Did you get the same gimbal again, or are you trying a different one?

This is the one I've just bought and received in the mail yesterday. Why is everything with this hobby "some assembly required". Ah well it's all good fun.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=51635 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=51635)

(http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/51635.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on June 04, 2014, 12:47:02 PM
Different ... its black..LOL..


From the thing that is also a phone


Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on June 05, 2014, 07:29:32 AM
Camera I bought is no good for FPV. Although it has live TV out, the on screen display cannot be turned off, which means if I want to use it in conjunction with a DJI iOSD it can't be done as the two on screen displays will clash with each other.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on June 12, 2014, 10:19:42 PM
This stuff is gold for a geek like me. They fly, they're fun to put together, they almost give you a heart attack the first time you get them up too high.!!

You can see the Alien 560 is a wee bit bigger than my F450.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48592-1/Alien+and+F450.JPG)

The Alien is going on the back burner until I get the F450 back together with the MultiWii controller.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48594-1/HK+MultiWii+Pro+in+case.JPG)

Still haven't flown the Tek Suma, I'm in the process of swapping the receiver from the F450 into the flying wing, so I can run a DSM2 receiver and satellite in the quads.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48596-1/Orange+6Ch+Rx+and+Satellite+Rx.JPG)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Ness on June 15, 2014, 10:54:11 PM
I was thinking I must have jumped across to the rc group some how funny to see all this on a camper site. I started off with the Dji phatom last year and put the tarot gimbal on it and put a 10k pot in the transmitter to control the tilt. and use the fpv 5.8 to goggles
I have a s800 evo and in the process of setting it up 2 transmitters one for the gimbal and the other for the aircraft.
Have another one I put together using 17inch props and 360 kv motors on a small tarot body the the dam thing has cut me and I have to run fast at times.
Keen to get a small blackout quad and use a kk controller so for now I am saving.
Anyway good to see your builds. will try and post some of mine.     
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Darcy7 on June 16, 2014, 02:18:19 PM
Hey what a great thread...!

I've been thinking about getting an RC unit of some description for aerial photography.  I recently got a small digital camera similar to a Go Pro but not quite as good.  Its a bit lighter and smaller.

What would be a good RC device to have that could carry this camera in outdoor flight?  I'm not too keen on spending a fortune and if it was reasonably transportable, that would be better.

I've seen a couple of large RC helicopters that look like they would do the job but stability is a concern.

Any suggestions?   
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on June 17, 2014, 11:59:08 AM
Hey what a great thread...!

I've been thinking about getting an RC unit of some description for aerial photography.  I recently got a small digital camera similar to a Go Pro but not quite as good.  Its a bit lighter and smaller.

What would be a good RC device to have that could carry this camera in outdoor flight?  I'm not too keen on spending a fortune and if it was reasonably transportable, that would be better.

I've seen a couple of large RC helicopters that look like they would do the job but stability is a concern.

Any suggestions?
Large RC helicopters = $$$$$
Stability for helicopters is proportional to how much money you spend on a good quality flight control board.

A 350 quad that can carry a Go-Pro can set you back around $700 for a buy and fly.
The S800 Evo mentioned by Ness will set you back thousands.

How much money you have to spend will be the deciding factor on what anyone can suggest.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on June 17, 2014, 03:23:25 PM
Well just ordered all the parts for a home built tricopter (rcexplorer.se v2.5). Have spent months reading and finally decided that the tricopter is the way to go. Under $350 without the fpv.

With work going gang busters (busy month but it is paying for my new hobby) will take me a while to assemble once the bits get here.  Decided to put a small fpv camera and tx on it. I ended up picking up a small 7 inch lcd screen with fpv rx built in plus it can save to sd card to.

I will mount my cheap action cam for high res video once I've worked out how to fly it (used to fly rc planes years ago).

Chris

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on June 17, 2014, 03:31:02 PM
Cool Chris, looking forward to some pictures.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: edz on June 18, 2014, 08:00:49 AM
Sooooo whens the leap to the next level going to be guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJEKNHruTU8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJEKNHruTU8)      ;D
Like to be able to play with a quad camera ship  mmmmmm maybe soon ..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Darcy7 on June 18, 2014, 08:47:13 AM
Large RC helicopters = $$$$$
Stability for helicopters is proportional to how much money you spend on a good quality flight control board.

A 350 quad that can carry a Go-Pro can set you back around $700 for a buy and fly.
The S800 Evo mentioned by Ness will set you back thousands.

How much money you have to spend will be the deciding factor on what anyone can suggest.

What ever I buy has to have half a chance of being approved for the minister of war and finance...!  $700 will result in pain and suffering for an extended period.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on June 18, 2014, 09:26:53 AM
Well if your looking at getting into quad copters dirt cheap, look at something like this

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/F06586-C-DIY-RC-Quadcopter-FPV-Kit-Nylon-Flamewheel-Carbon-Tall-Landing-Skid-KK-V2-9/1457533334.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/F06586-C-DIY-RC-Quadcopter-FPV-Kit-Nylon-Flamewheel-Carbon-Tall-Landing-Skid-KK-V2-9/1457533334.html)

For about $70 upgrade the flight control board to a MultiWii-Pro + GPS combo and get a Turnigy 9XR 9 channel radio with RF module and battery for about $120, add the kit for $130 including shipping, all up you could get a killer quad in the air for around $350 delivered to you door.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on June 20, 2014, 09:45:07 PM
Here is the new flight control system for my F450.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48602-1/MWP+Sonar+GPS+BTU+OSD.JPG)

HK MultiWii Pro Multicopter Flight Control Board
Sonar (yep a freakin' sonar, don't even know what the bloody hell I'm going to do with it, but I've got a freakin' sonar)
GPS
Blue Tooth unit (allows Android app to talk to flight control board for programming and waypoint setting)
MinimOSD (on screen display of telemetry data from flight control board and onboard sensors from the OSD board)

Compared to the new flight control system that is going into the new Alien 560.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48604-1/NazaMV2+BTU+iOSDmini+Compass+GPS+LED+PMU.JPG)

Naza M V2 Flight Controller
Blue Tooth Unit
iOSDmini (telemetry)
GPS and Compass
LED indicator
Power unit

Similar sort of setups, one for making all my mistakes on and will probably get flown to destruction, the other has proven performance so will go on the Alien which is going to be the camera ship. I had a quick look on the DJI website, no DJI sonar  :'(

I like the modularity of the DJI gear, but the DIY nature of the MultiWii appeals to me as well.

I also recently had delivered two examples of cheap 'action' or GoPro knockoffs from Aliexpress.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48606-1/New+Cameras.JPG)

The black one is too big for the Tarot gimbal by about 7mm (too high), so I'm getting a generic gimbal that will fit this camera as it has a standard 1/4 mount, whereas the GoTop fits the Tarot gimbal like a glove, but costs around $150US, about twice the cost of the black one.

I still can't pluck up the courage to put a $400+ GoPro black or similar quality camera on the quads. These cameras are the first thing to cop it when the quad goes in nose first.

Both have similar specs

1080p full hd @ 30fps
720p hd @ 60fps or 30fps
wvga @ 120 fps

Both have live video out, the black one with an annoying amount of on screen display that cannot be turned off in live feed mode. The GoTop also has on screen display that can't be turned off, but there's bugger all of it at the very top of the screen.

You can actually see inside the body and all the electronics on the black camera, it's not put together very well at all. Whereas the GoTop is a quality unit.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 04, 2014, 09:17:57 PM
After buying the Alien quadcopter frame, I have discovered that having heaps of space makes installing all of the electronics so much easier. The F450 quad is carrying quite a bit of gear, so I was trolling Aliexpress (has more quadcopter stuff on it than you can shake a stick at), looking for frames that utilise the DJI arms so I can still use the F450 arms from my original quad as spares and stumbled across this frame from seller Goodluckbuy. I have been on their website before and knew that quite often their website has very good prices compared to to their store on Aliexpress. It's called the Reptile-Aphid X450, and it uses standard DJI arms with a larger body and comes with a single axis gimbal and board camera for FPV. It still maintains an 'X' configuration, unlike the similar Reptile quadcopter which comes in spider configuration (450/380 wheel base).

(http://www.goodluckbuy.com/images/detailed_images/sku_93460_1.jpg) (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/reptile-aphid-x450-fpv-quadcopter-aircraft-frame-kit-with-700tvl-camera-lens.html)

Now I've also had a play around with the Fatshark Pilot HD camera, and after getting my hands on a 700tvl camera at the same time I picked up the Alien frame, I have been able to compare these two camera's. The winner hands down was the 700tvl camera, which is fortunately the same resolution as the camera supplied in the Reptile-Aphid frame. Now the Goodluckbuy website doesn't specifically say that the gimbal comes with a servo, but unboxing videos I found on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdrByCrfBx4) would suggest it does, so all up, the price is pretty good when it includes a camera, gimbal and servo.

(http://www.goodluckbuy.com/images/product_images/thumbnail_93460_4.jpg)

So now, I'm going to wait for the x450 frame and other bits and pieces to arrive so I can get the new 450 into the air with the MultiWii Pro controller.

I've flashed the MultiWii controller to use MegaPirateNG as there are already clever people who have written the firmware code for incorporating a sonar, which I have found out is used to assist with automatic landing.

I've tested the sonar running it from the MultiWii board and the distances it shows appear to be extremely accurate while I sit at my computer. Now I've just got to work out how the example code I found for my sonar is then incorporated into the firmware for the MultiWii.

The end goal is almost within sight, to be able to fly one of these things as autonomously as possible, but learn heaps along the way and enjoy myself.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: D4D on July 09, 2014, 01:05:00 PM
http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/parrots-new-range-of-toy-drones-aimed-at-teenagers-raise-privacy-concerns/story-fnda1lbo-1226982232601 (http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/parrots-new-range-of-toy-drones-aimed-at-teenagers-raise-privacy-concerns/story-fnda1lbo-1226982232601)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 11, 2014, 09:00:36 AM
Same old story regurgitated yet again.

If someone is going to use a camera to spy on someone, they will do it whether they have a 'drone' or not.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: GeckoJK on July 11, 2014, 09:41:09 AM
What is everyones thought on the DJI Phantom Vision 2 +?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 14, 2014, 10:29:09 AM
Hi,

Finally got time over the weekend to finish off the first phase of my tricopter.

Flight Attempts:
Maiden flight attempt was a bust, the KK2 board had the CW and CCW marking backwards (was wondering why the green and the red were the wrong way around from any standard - marine or air.  Should have thought about that one), worked that out once I checked out build video again.  I did notice that the tail was lifting way to easy and decided to move the tail motor further forwards.

2nd flight attempt this morning was fantastic, it took flight and all was going well.  Extremely stable, only used minor inputs to keep it in a hover.  Did a small forwards and backwards, then back to a hover.  Not using the self leveling yet, so really happy about now. Then I started a small vertical climb, wow did it move, alot more than I thought it would (65% throttle) then I remembered that the power lines run above the only flat section of ground I have in the front yard (concrete too).....  Well as I was about to make contact I made the decision to cut the throttle completely.  Suffice to say killed my first propeller  >:( and a few zip ties holding on a wooden post as part of the landing gear.  It was 6m of a drop after all.  Front arms folded back as designed and no damage to the motors, they all spin up properly  :D.

Trying a flight tonight in a nice big park with lots of grass.  No powerlines there.

Things to do:
Change the bottom tray so it's fixed properly - so I can work on the FPV items
Mount the HD camera on the front
Buy even more props (get the feeling that a pack of 4 for each wont be enough)
Buy more batteries, I think I'll never have enough of those  >:D
Build the small LiPo bunker, or big one depending on the number of batteries.  I may need to dog proof it as he seems very inquisitive, thinking a lipo with a canine tooth trying to puncture it may end badly for him, and will be bad for the lipo (but thats a secondary concern)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 14, 2014, 10:46:47 AM
Gday Chris,

I'm haven't used expo on throttle previously. The new MultiWii Pro flight control board is about to be run up for the first time. The 'AltHold' function (flight control board has a barometer) is going to get a workout I think. The 'AltHold' mode in the MegaPirateNG firmware allows the throttle to be used like an altimeter, the higher the throttle, the higher the altitude, the lower the throttle the lower the altitude (relative to take off position). Looking forward to having a play around with this shortly.

You should check this MultiWii Pro flight control board out Chris, it would work very nicely with a nice stable tri-copter.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: rotor138 on July 14, 2014, 10:11:25 PM
Well if your looking at getting into quad copters dirt cheap, look at something like this

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/F06586-C-DIY-RC-Quadcopter-FPV-Kit-Nylon-Flamewheel-Carbon-Tall-Landing-Skid-KK-V2-9/1457533334.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/F06586-C-DIY-RC-Quadcopter-FPV-Kit-Nylon-Flamewheel-Carbon-Tall-Landing-Skid-KK-V2-9/1457533334.html)

For about $70 upgrade the flight control board to a MultiWii-Pro + GPS combo and get a Turnigy 9XR 9 channel radio with RF module and battery for about $120, add the kit for $130 including shipping, all up you could get a killer quad in the air for around $350 delivered to you door.


I have just ordered the frame kit from ali express and was wondering what module you recommend there Marschy? I have found the reciever on Hobbyking and also the multiwii pro kit. Is there anywhere you recommend to read up on this stuff so that I can learn what I'm doing?

Thanks

Leon
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 14, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
Definitely follow the rcgroups instructions for either multiwii pro or megapirateng firmware installation for the multiwii pro board from hobbyking. There are a number of different threads for other multiwii boards but there is only one that I have found that works with the APM mission planner software and sonar as well.

I'll stick a link on here shortly to get you underway. If you have any questions specifically about setting up the multiwii pro board send me a pm and I'll see if I can assist
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 14, 2014, 10:58:13 PM
Hello Leon, when you say module are you referring to the flight control board?

Links for stock multiwii firmware for the  hobbyking board can be found here.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1726790 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1726790)

That thread has a reference to this link for installing the megapirateng firmware onto the HK MWC pro board. This firmware allows you to run the APM mission planner software as well as using up to 10 flight modes

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1752719 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1752719)

One flight mode in particular that I'm interested to see is circle. The quad can perform a circle around a set diameter with the nose pointing inwards. I'm really looking forwards to getting the camera rolling with this flight mode
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: rotor138 on July 15, 2014, 05:58:10 AM
Thanks for those links, day off tomorrow so will be doing plenty of reading up. By module I meant the rf receiver there is so many to choose from and wasn't sure which is the right one to get?

How long was delivery when you bought your frame?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 15, 2014, 07:23:38 AM
6 working days, but it depends on what shipping you've paid for. I got the orange 9 channel dsmx/dsm2 receiver module from hobbyking. I'll find a link for you
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 15, 2014, 08:58:13 AM
Hello Leon,

Here is the link for the receiver and transmitter modules I am using in conjunction with the Turnigy 9XR radio, just click on the picture to follow the links.

OrangeRx R910 Spektrum DSM2 9Ch 2.4Ghz TwinPort Rx

(http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/orng9(1).jpg) (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=17621)

OrangeRX DSMX/DSM2 2.4Ghz Transmitter Module (JR/Turnigy compatible)

(http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/24656.jpg) (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=39247)

I'm also using satellite receivers

(http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/46339(2).jpg) (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__46339__OrangeRx_R100_Spektrum_JR_DSM2_Compatible_Satellite_Receiver.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 15, 2014, 10:27:29 AM
Well my 2nd real flight was great, well was for first 5 mins. Took off nicely, hovered at chest height for little while. Then did a bit of walking the dog with it, my previous rc experience helped a bit here. 

Took it up a bit higher and started experimenting with some coordinated turns. Hmmm should have remembered that the battery was slung underneath with a single velco strap...... why do batteries and velco straps slide..... :o battery slide backwards when I decided to stop. Sudden change in cg was too much for the flight controller to adapt too and I managed to spike the tail into the ground with a 5m drop. Lucky this time o to nice soft grass!

Liking the airframe design, only damage was to the rear prop and a couple of zip ties.

Lucky I ordered more props yesterday. May need to order even more at this rate....

So ive fixed the battery tray last night so good for another test flight. At least I learn as I go, just wish id work these things before hand.  I'll see if I can get an assistant to take some pics.

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 15, 2014, 10:51:18 AM
Bunnings sell some really good stick on velcro. I've put this on my batteries in the past to stop them moving around. It's much easier to use if the battery is mounted externally.

I've used the 10x4.7 SP props from Hobbyking. Cheaps as chips, but buy heaps. The number of props I've ordered that don't track properly and cause heaps of vibration are probably up around the 30% of all the props I've bought from HK. But they are cheap enough, so just buy double what you need if you are after vibration free props for video if you get the cheapies.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 15, 2014, 04:53:12 PM
Bunnings sell some really good stick on velcro. I've put this on my batteries in the past to stop them moving around. It's much easier to use if the battery is mounted externally.

I've used the 10x4.7 SP props from Hobbyking. Cheaps as chips, but buy heaps. The number of props I've ordered that don't track properly and cause heaps of vibration are probably up around the 30% of all the props I've bought from HK. But they are cheap enough, so just buy double what you need if you are after vibration free props for video if you get the cheapies.

Hi Marshy,

Yep was thinking sticky velco might do the trick.  I have plenty lying around, I'll give that a go as an additional safety (although I now have it on top of the tray with the strap stopping lateral movement and a block stopping forwards and backwards movement.

I have bought a few more props now, around 30 in total, so I should be good for a while.  I had 12 but I seem to be going through one or more each test flight (have killed 3 so far).  Been lucky that they have all been the CW props as I only have 2 CCW props, although by all accounts it will fly quite well if they are all CW.  Hoping that nothing else goes wrong on tonight's test filght, last nights would have been perfect if it wasnt for the battery weight shifting out the tail, a swinging battery is hard for the software to compensate for.

If all goes well tonight I'll fit the cheap action cam and FPV camera (not to fly with yet, want to get the hang of it using LOS first) this weekend and start to log some daylight hours.

I've been using 2200mAH batteries, and so far my 6 min flight took the battery to 65% with no camera's etc. Thinking I'll get around 10-12 mins from it once I put the camera's on.  I just ordered a 5000mAH so hoping I'll get at least 18-20 mins out of it once it arrives, then I can have some real good fun.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 15, 2014, 06:12:55 PM
Gday Chris,

All of my batteries I've sourced from Hobbyking, so I've gone down the XT60 connector path. I recently soldered together three connectors to parallel two of my 2200's 3S to give me 4400 mAh. Haven't tried it out yet, but it's worked out well as far as counter balancing the new camera gimbal is concerned.

I'm looking forward to playing around with the waypoint navigation software that talks to the multiwii board via bluetooth. It will be interesting to see how far the bluetooth reception is.

Cheers, Marschy



Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 16, 2014, 01:12:15 PM
Gday Chris,

All of my batteries I've sourced from Hobbyking, so I've gone down the XT60 connector path. I recently soldered together three connectors to parallel two of my 2200's 3S to give me 4400 mAh. Haven't tried it out yet, but it's worked out well as far as counter balancing the new camera gimbal is concerned.

I'm looking forward to playing around with the waypoint navigation software that talks to the multiwii board via bluetooth. It will be interesting to see how far the bluetooth reception is.

Cheers, Marschy

Hi Marschy,

Got most of my stuff off Hobby King too.  I now have worked out why I was breaking props so often.....  Turns out the black props I bought were carbon mixed, nice and light but not good for learning to fly a tricopter.  I also settled on the XT60 connector for my power.  It was a challenge to solder 3 x 16AWG + 1 x 18 AWG to the XT60 connector but I got there.  Bundled them together before hand and used some thin copper winding wire to bind them together.

Dont expect to much from Bluetooth, you'll get maybe 15-20m at best, otherwise it isnt following the bluetooth standard, your more likely to get around 10m range.

Last nights test flight went really well, luckily the playing field had all the lights on for me in the light rain (thankful that I have the hard case KK2 board and that the regular soccer games weren't on).  I used some thread lock on my motors earlier in the night and undid some of the cables, thought I put them back in the right order, sigh......  Double check it if you unplug it....  I flipped it on first attempt (motor 1 and 3 were swapped over), reassessed the wiring and it was all good from there.  Had it on two flights, total flight time was around 9 mins and the battery (3s - 2200mAH) was only down to 11.5 so I'm very happy with that.  I was just hovering and some flying patterns, so I expect that to reduce once I start to use it a bit more.  The self level feature seems pretty good, I tested it out a couple of times to see how good it was.

Was about to head up a 2nd time after I finished supervising an activity but they turned the lights off just as I was about to walk up to the park :-(

On a plus, since I'm using the plastic props now I'm not breaking them!!!!  Damn carbon mixed props......  Was wondering why only the rear prop was breaking on each crash.....  Was getting annoyed at how fast they were dying.

Still finding it very sensitive on the throttle (about 50% to take off, so really I'm using the top half of the stick, doesnt make for the best control), thinking of using some stick scaling or switching to heli mode to use a throttle curve, to make it a bit less sensitive.  I was wrong earlier, I didnt have expo on the throttle as I first thought I had.

I've also been reading up on tuning the P and I values.  I think it's pretty stable at present so might leave those for the time being until I'm more comfortable with it.

I'll do one more test flight tonight and then I'll work out how to attach the camera, so I'll see if I can post some footage after the weekend.

On a side note, it sure does draw a crowd.  Not want I wanted last night, as I'm still getting used to it.  Everyone seems to want to know more about it.  On a plus not one person was against them, saw it as something fun and cool.  They cant believe how inexpensive it was to build either.

I like the look of the MultiWii FC, I'll give it a bit more of a look in a few months.  I like the GPS and barometer stuff that can be easily integrated.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on July 16, 2014, 01:58:20 PM
It sure looks like everyone is having fun with their flying toys.
I have not really had much of a chance to get out much but when I do I draw a crowd.
Can't wait to see some footage.
What servo are you using on the tri? I kept burning mine out so changed to a quad.
Have you flashed the KK.? There is better firmware. Than the stock one.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 16, 2014, 02:17:08 PM
It sure looks like everyone is having fun with their flying toys.
I have not really had much of a chance to get out much but when I do I draw a crowd.
Can't wait to see some footage.
What servo are you using on the tri? I kept burning mine out so changed to a quad.
Have you flashed the KK.? There is better firmware. Than the stock one.
Regards
Crispy

Hi Crispy,

Sure am having fun!  I'm using a Turnigy 380MG Micro Servo (Metal Gear) - 3.6kg / .15sec / 15.6g.  The servo you used was it metal gears?  Were you using a servo with nylon gears, they tend to wear fast in a tricopter.

I bought a 2nd one in case I damage it in a crash or I wear it out :-)  I have another nylon one floating about and I have several analogue metal ones from a plane I never finished (plus another 4 or so on an old trainer plane I used to fly) but they are heavier.

I have the usb board to program it but I haven't flashed it yet, wanted to see what the stock firmware did.  So far I'm pretty impressed.  Will take a look at the multiWii at some stage as I wouldn't mind an alt hold or gps functions in the future.

I'll put a GPS in soon but it will be to output to the OSD.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 16, 2014, 02:43:55 PM
Well done with the KK Chris, you've progressed much further than I did before I opted for GPS.

Either way

it sounds like you're hooked.
Title: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: JCAT on July 16, 2014, 09:19:04 PM
Dont know what sort it was but when we were up on Gunlom Falls this fella had one that he was sending out over the cliff face and racing around with at sunset, $7000 he told us, it looked very friggin good


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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 17, 2014, 10:53:23 AM
Hello Chris,

Give some ESC's flashed with SimonK a go. I started off with my kit ESC's (Aliexpress with a JMT brand sticker but essentially Hobbyking SS30A ESC's) with stock firmware. Flashed my KK2.1 with 1.12Beginner (I think) and flew with the stock ESC firmware, after flashing with SimonK the stability improvement was remarkable.

The best way to describe the improvement is that the throttle response becomes very linear, i.e. 10% throttle seems like it is putting 10% power into the motors, 20%, 30% etc etc all the same, all very precise. And it doesn't seem to top out like some ESC's do when you go past 80 or 90% and you don't seem to get any further throttle response beyond a certain percentage, not so with SimonK.

There was also throttle lag with the original firmware, but this has improved as well. The only ESC that ran warm was the one supplying power to the flight control board, but I have since changed to a dedicated 5A UBEC.

I'm running SimonK TGY V2013-09-20 but there is a new release since this one, not sure what the improvements are though. Would need to visit his website to find out what is in each release.

I've got new Multistar 30A BEC and Opto speed controllers, but after reading the Hobbyking feedback for these controllers, people are reporting motors burning out after flashing with SimonK. Not sure if it's true, the feedback seems to indicate that it occurs more frequently with the latest batches of ESC's, but has now left me with a quandry, do I flash my new controllers or not. I've got some of my old kit motors that I can see if it will burn out, but even then, I don't want to burn out a motor just to prove a point.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 17, 2014, 11:29:45 AM
I'm going to start a very touchy subject (for me at least) with regard recent events happening in the US regarding FAA regulations.

My understanding is that the FAA is about to put a blanket ban on the use of unlicensed FPV (first person view) vehicles. For those how do not know what FPV is, a camera and video transmitter are used to transmit vision, typically pointed in the forward direction, during flight of an unmanned vehicle, either a military drone, a hobby RC aircraft, or a commercial videographer to a ground station to allow the pilot to see what the aircraft sees. This is normally done as an aid in flying the aircraft and for videography/photographic purposes.

My understanding is that the FAA are banning the use of unlicensed FPV vehicles on the grounds that the 4th Amendment can be breached where privacy is invaded in relation to search and seizure when supporting probable cause. I'm not starting a US constitution argument here, if my facts are incorrect about all the relevant laws/statues etc, then I apologise.

My point has more to do with what may happen here in Australia. Now my reason for worrying this I will try to explain in a manner that is not designed to cause panic but hopefully rational discussion about how we can do to protect our hobby.

I think there is more to the blanket ban put in place in the US, than simple 4th Amendment issues.

Now I'm here in little old downtown Adelaide, and I'm looking at some of the links to videos that other swaggers have put on this thread, including myself, about incidences that have occured, with multicopters in particular, in the recent past. Then the videos with machine guns hung under a commercially made quadcopter. Now for me, it's not hard to put one and one together.

Now putting my "if I was a government paranoid about attack internally or externally" hat on, and thinking if people had these machines in there hands that can be purchased with a reasonable amount of anonymity, that can be flown remotely for distances over 10km and more, can carry potentially deadly payloads (recent examples of machine guns, but the imagination doesn't need to stretch far to see where this could go), would I as a government be worried?

What do you think can be done to mitigate this possible issue?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 18, 2014, 10:52:28 AM
Hi Marschy,

My understanding is that the FAA is about to put a blanket ban on the use of unlicensed FPV (first person view) vehicles. For those how do not know what FPV is, a camera and video transmitter are used to transmit vision, typically pointed in the forward direction, during flight of an unmanned vehicle, either a military drone, a hobby RC aircraft, or a commercial videographer to a ground station to allow the pilot to see what the aircraft sees. This is normally done as an aid in flying the aircraft and for videography/photographic purposes.

They already have, the interpretive rule says that FPV are not model aircraft therefore they are an sUAV or UAV or aircraft.  If they are not model aircraft the FAA has regulatory power.  So the ban is in effect right now.  Not many are following it through.....

Did everyone know that commercial sUAS or UAS are illegal in the US, only the government can fly them.....

It also goes against case law which says it is a model aircraft.   The Trappy vs FAA case is the test case, although it is on older legislation the new legislation was supposed to prevent this from happening, looks like their congress screwed up.  They didnt define model R/C aircraft in the act, now the FAA is making up it's own definition.

My understanding is that the FAA are banning the use of unlicensed FPV vehicles on the grounds that the 4th Amendment can be breached where privacy is invaded in relation to search and seizure when supporting probable cause. I'm not starting a US constitution argument here, if my facts are incorrect about all the relevant laws/statues etc, then I apologise.

Not a 4th Amendment issue as that applies for government or government agents to the public.  There are plenty of supreme court rulings upholding this particular item. 

It is however a privacy concern and that is one of the real reasons behind the regulation.  There are minority of FPVer's who dont abide by reasonable guideline and they are making it easier for the FAA to push this as an aircraft safety issue.  If FPVer's kept to under 400ft then there is no real issue.  This is a problem as it moves from a hobby item to a consumer item, more idiots go and do stupid things (kinda like with cars and our roads).

My point has more to do with what may happen here in Australia. Now my reason for worrying this I will try to explain in a manner that is not designed to cause panic but hopefully rational discussion about how we can do to protect our hobby.

I think there is more to the blanket ban put in place in the US, than simple 4th Amendment issues.

Now I'm here in little old downtown Adelaide, and I'm looking at some of the links to videos that other swaggers have put on this thread, including myself, about incidences that have occured, with multicopters in particular, in the recent past. Then the videos with machine guns hung under a commercially made quadcopter. Now for me, it's not hard to put one and one together.

Now putting my "if I was a government paranoid about attack internally or externally" hat on, and thinking if people had these machines in there hands that can be purchased with a reasonable amount of anonymity, that can be flown remotely for distances over 10km and more, can carry potentially deadly payloads (recent examples of machine guns, but the imagination doesn't need to stretch far to see where this could go), would I as a government be worried?

What do you think can be done to mitigate this possible issue?

It's worse for us in the FPV world, from what I can understand of the CASA regs we also dont meet the model R/C aircraft and therefore technically need an RPA license from CASA (needed for income generating work, there are lots of people licensed for this).  Base cost assuming you use the CASA sample material would be 4K plus.  A few processes you have to follow in order to make sure you are safe, maintenance and training.

Now I intend to eventually fly FPV but with a monitor and dont intend to apply for CASA RPA license.  I also dont intend to fly out of LOS for the time being.

I think it will be a case of wait and see, there is not a lot we can do here.  I think in the end commercial use of drones will be allowed, it will be how much regulation goes into it.  I worry that the hobby element which has really brought this technology along will be disallowed, but I would say that due to lack of enforcement it will be a case of go after you when it goes bad.

In terms of using them as weapon's it will occur with or without regulation, so i suggest that is something the government will have to deal with it with other measures.  Best not to piss off your population so they feel they need to do it.....  Not something the US has a good track record of....
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 18, 2014, 11:58:33 AM
Hi,

Had another test flight today, nice feeling to bring the tricopter home without a broken prop or new landing gear needing to be cut!  I did break a few zip ties on a hard landing but that's whey they are there.

Mental note, dont try to fly in high wind days.  >:(  Was hard to keep it hovering in place without the auto level.  Even with it on it would drift.  I think I might have to look at the multiWii board.

I had a total flight time around 14 mins today, landed with battery at 11.3 which is fantastic.  I now need to weigh my machine to find out what the AUW is.

I setup my camera on a tripod today, so once I've reviewed the footage I'll try to upload it.

I made some changes for today, firstly I used dual rates of 50 on Elevator, Rudder, Ailerons.  I also used Expo's of 60% for them all.  I'm thinking I got the Elevator and Ailerons right, the rudder is too sluggish for my liking.  I think I'll take it back to D/R 75 and Expo 30%  and try again.

Just got the fatshark pilotHD 720p camera, wishing I had read the reviews beforehand, should have gone the mobius.....  :-[  Oh well will try it tonight (on the bench), I'm not sure if my FPV receiver or FPV transmitter is working properly as I dont get a signal from my other camera.  Hoping it's a camera issue, if not then I'll buy another receiver / transmitter combo and work out which one it is.  I'm pretty sure it's not the transmitter as I can see the current draw go up as I plug in the camera feed so I'm thinking it's the receiver in the LCD screen I've got.  So handy to have a test power supply.  :D

I'm thinking I'll be right to sling the 1080p camera on the tri this weekend if the wind comes down a bit, so should have the 720p from the front cam and 1080p from the action cam.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on July 18, 2014, 01:24:42 PM
I think the CASA are going down the path that any UAV under 2kg will not need to be licenced. Well that is a bugger cause I am about 2.4kg this means I need to loose some weight but 400g is most likely not going to happen.
Did we see the person who has been referred to DPP because his UAV crashed in to a runner on a Triathlon in W.A?
This is why we as genuine people have trouble. The owner is claiming it frequency hopped and he lost control.
I am not sure how that works but he must have been too close to people when it happened.
I do not think CASA will ban our toys however they may restrict our usage to "Dedicated flying sites" which sucks as I am about capturing photos and video of places I visit.
Responsible flying is what we need to do.
And we also need to remember the privacy thing too.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 19, 2014, 12:16:17 AM
I think the CASA are going down the path that any UAV under 2kg will not need to be licenced. Well that is a bugger cause I am about 2.4kg this means I need to loose some weight but 400g is most likely not going to happen.
Did we see the person who has been referred to DPP because his UAV crashed in to a runner on a Triathlon in W.A?
This is why we as genuine people have trouble. The owner is claiming it frequency hopped and he lost control.
I am not sure how that works but he must have been too close to people when it happened.
I do not think CASA will ban our toys however they may restrict our usage to "Dedicated flying sites" which sucks as I am about capturing photos and video of places I visit.
Responsible flying is what we need to do.
And we also need to remember the privacy thing too.
Regards
Crispy
Hi Crispy

On further reading I agree, I had missed the deregulation proposal by CASA for 2kg and under.  Great to see an aviation authority use there head for once.  Will have to wait a few more months for it to be finalised though, but it looks like we'll be fine.

Pretty sure mine is sitting just on 700g with the 2200mAH battery (this is a guesstimate).  Once I put the 5000mAH and camera on I should still have plenty of spare before I hit the 2kg.  I will weight it in the morning.

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 19, 2014, 02:03:53 AM
The Pilot HD camera is crap in low light. The Hobbyking 700tvl camera with the OSD controls on the back of the camera is much better, and the cable is simple without having to worry about OSD controls being built into the cable making it too bulky.

My all up weight so far is 1906 grams and I have about another 100 grams to go with the OSD card plus whatever the props weigh so I'll be close to if not over the limit.

As soon as you add crab landing gear you immediately get carried away chucking stuff on the quad. I've spent hours cutting ESC and servo leads to length to get the quad as tidy as possible and save weight.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 20, 2014, 09:53:03 AM
Hi guys,

Finally uploaded some videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_e8d6T1GbI&list=UUYFUqy_lwTRdQLjS0ZBkHNw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_e8d6T1GbI&list=UUYFUqy_lwTRdQLjS0ZBkHNw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lty1tej9cG0&index=2&list=UUYFUqy_lwTRdQLjS0ZBkHNw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lty1tej9cG0&index=2&list=UUYFUqy_lwTRdQLjS0ZBkHNw)

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 20, 2014, 10:37:04 AM
Gotta be happy with that. What camera are you using there?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 20, 2014, 12:02:09 PM
Gotta be happy with that. What camera are you using there?
Hi Marschy,

Definitely happy with it, building the proper frame today to hold it.

Its just a cheap 1080p action cam, it was zip tied to the tricopter for in air and on a full tripod for ground video.

I plan to mount the pilot hd cam in that spot and action cam on the mount underneath. Will put a basic gimbal on it in the future.

Im thinking of trying the ardu boards, bit pricey but for full telemtry, baro, gps and exandable in future. Has anyone tried them?

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 20, 2014, 12:11:32 PM
No, haven't tried the ardu boards, but I will be soon. I'm going to have a look at the new HK APM 2.7. This is going to go on the Reptile-Aphid frame.

I love building these things. Gotta pull my finger out and finish the F450. Just hooking up the MinimOSD to the FPV video, then I'll be ready for tuning and first flight, probably next weekend or the one after.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on July 23, 2014, 10:48:39 AM
Found the one I want
 Bell 430 from Heli-Factory
Bell 430 RC Turbine Helicopter LX-MARC 1st Flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pyYEvg-n58#ws)

In Cockpit voice module!
Bell 430 RC Turbine Helicopter LX-MARC Full Flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9w2V5a-3m8#ws)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 23, 2014, 11:51:26 AM
Im thinking of trying the ardu boards, bit pricey but for full telemtry, baro, gps and exandable in future. Has anyone tried them?

I've just ordered the APM 2.6 board and another MinimOSD for my Reptile-Aphid frame. I'll let you know how the APM goes once it arrives next week. I think these boards are very reasonably priced if you buy a full kit, including telemetry, power module, GPS. I've just ordered this one from Aliexpress with DHL delivery in 3-6 days. I had to get the MinimOSD board separately as it was not included in this flight board kit, but got it from the same supplier which saved a bit on shipping.

APM2.6 ArduPilot UAV Flight Controller APM 2.6+ 6M GPS w/ Compass+Power Module+ 915Mhz 3DR Radio Telemetry (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/APM2-6-ArduPilot-UAV-Flight-Controller-APM-2-6-6M-GPS-w-Compass-MiniOSD-Power-Module/1982000678.html)

If you looking at the MinimOSD board, get the updated board with primary and secondary voltage monitors that are broken out from the chip, otherwise you will have a very tricky soldering job in front of you to solder wire directly to the Atmega chip on the early v0.1 boards. I made this mistake with my first one, and have now ordered a new one.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 23, 2014, 10:07:03 PM
No, haven't tried the ardu boards, but I will be soon. I'm going to have a look at the new HK APM 2.7. This is going to go on the Reptile-Aphid frame.

I love building these things. Gotta pull my finger out and finish the F450. Just hooking up the MinimOSD to the FPV video, then I'll be ready for tuning and first flight, probably next weekend or the one after.

Grrr, I ordered a few days the same thing but via HK, so a bit more expensive......  Around $160-$170 worth instead.  MinimOSD was on top of that too.  Also playing the waiting game......
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 24, 2014, 10:21:11 PM
I've got the wiring for the camera, MinimOSD, Video Tx and power supply sorted out. Now have to solder some header pins onto the MultiWii serial port zero pin holes for telemetry. I have it connected up at the moment to serial port one, but it doesn't support telemetry without rewriting the firmware. So solder it is.

Here is a snapshot of the view via the fpv camera with the OSD working, but not talking to the flight control board.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 24, 2014, 10:40:56 PM
Found the one I want
 Bell 430 from Heli-Factory
Bell 430 RC Turbine Helicopter LX-MARC 1st Flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pyYEvg-n58#ws)

In Cockpit voice module!
Bell 430 RC Turbine Helicopter LX-MARC Full Flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9w2V5a-3m8#ws)

Finally got a chance to watch, can't access youtube at work. Isn't this thing awesome? This would have to go through some sort of airworthiness inspection to be flown at public events in most places around the world. See how fast those big blades are moving, imagine one coming off.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on July 25, 2014, 10:29:56 AM
Quote from: Marschy
Finally got a chance to watch, can't access youtube at work. Isn't this thing awesome? This would have to go through some sort of airworthiness inspection to be flown at public events in most places around the world. See how fast those big blades are moving, imagine one coming off.
yea, that gives me wood... 3500euro... for the basic thing :(
and a LOT of training to learn to fly it I bet... but check their website, they make a dozen in that scale, some beautiful machines.. some are 9000euro for base unit!!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: edz on July 26, 2014, 12:24:52 PM
Ok now this is realy a lazy way to fish, Wonder how good it would be to take a baited hook out behind the breakers and drop it when surf fishing  ... Beats trying to cast that far.... mmmmmmm might have to try that ..
Pacific Islanders have kite fished the reef surrounding their islands  althrough  ages and the japs use RC boats to get lines out further to sea from the coast .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFr0m1MTYuo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFr0m1MTYuo)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 26, 2014, 03:07:33 PM
The first MinimOSD I bought was like this. To use the battery voltage monitoring functionality you have to solder a wire to one of the terminals on the Atmega chip.

(http://i.imgur.com/VMRi5Zy.jpg)

I'm learning with this hobby that as soon as it says you need to solder wire to a surface mount chip terminal, start looking for other options. So now I'm waiting for a later model of the same board to be delivered that breaks out some more of the features on the chip to the row of pin holes along the bottom of the board.

(http://shop.myairbot.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/54b2359dd2430bcca06ee462d488eb40/m/i/minimosd.jpg)

Now I'm waiting for the new one to arrive after completely buggering up my first one by trying to solder a wire to a surface mount chip and bridging about 3 terminals on the chip with solder and not being able to clean it up without it shorting between terminals. PITA
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 31, 2014, 12:39:22 PM
Hi,

I hate doing surface mount components, they are so much harder, but a great skill to have.  I buggered a FPV transmitter up by having a camera on reverse polarity, lucky I have a friend who designs this stuff for his day job (R&D Engineer) .  He's seeing if he as any spare surface mount ferrites that is blown and will do the repair for me too.  I'll be responsible for any further repairs, as he'll hopefully give a few spare ferrites.  He just orders samples for this stuff :-).  Cant believe that the Boscam FPV transmitters dont have some form of diode before it to protect it, no they put it after it ???..

These things are one of the reasons why I like the hobby, it gets you really into it to understand stuff.  I never knew there was an ability to put an inline ferrite, I'd always used the coils to reduce interference.

My tricopter now has the FPV camera mounted since I got my spare FPV transmitter in the mail the other day.  Tests in the house are pretty good so far.  Planning my first FPV flight on Friday morning before work.  I've also reconfigured my battery so it will hang underneath the frame and be more in line with the desired CG.  Had to put on small strips of timber to stop the battery from sliding out the front or back, had that happen before and it doesnt cope well with a sudden change in CG and then a swinging CG  :-[  Lucky that was in one of the early test flights so I do learn as I go  ::)

I plan to organise my FC's so that I can detach the KK2 and attach the APM board or the other way around.  I plan to mount them onto there own ply board and have this bolt onto the tricopter frame.  Just that I like the KK2 but know that I'll want to use the APM a fair bit but some days I'll just want the simple board.

For the KK2 Flight Controller, I'm pairing it with a simple OSD with GPS.  Should have checked the pin outs before ordering it, only has one vid connection.  I'm not keen on rewiring the camera so now I need to build a harness.

For the APM board I've got the power module, GPS module and the minimOSD.  Also picked up the telemetry radio set too (915MHz).  I also picked up an LED control board to for some lights but that's a future dream.

I also am now planning on how to mount my new go pro onto small camera gimbal I've got on the way.  I'm annoyed I'd been eyeing off a really simple gimbal for $14 that was perfect for the gopro and when I went to order it, surprise it's on back order, grrrr.  Would have been so much easier, sigh.  I will keep an eye out and order it if if comes of back order.  What have others used to mount their action cam on a cheap gimbal?  I can isolate the gimbal to reduce vibration.

I'm still waiting for my APM Mega stuff to arrive, should be any day now :-)  Why is the mail so slow.......

Ordered another 2 2200mah 3s Lipo's and another 5000mah 3s Lipo.

Things to still do:
Build the lipo bunker - been using bags for the time being.
Remount the KK2 Board on to an easily removable tray
Mount the simpleOSD
Test flight of the FPV gear
Attach simple mount for GoPro
Build gimbal mount for GoPro
More test flights  ;D
Wait for APM Mega to arrive   8)

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 31, 2014, 12:53:50 PM
My APM 2.6 stuff arrives today, currently with the courier for delivery (yippee). This shipment has the replacement minimOSD that I stuffed up. This is the only thing I am waiting on to get the F450 back in the air.

The Reptile-Aphid frame arrived as well. Not overly happy with the type of plastic used in the arms. The goodluckbuy website states nylon, but they are more likely acrylic, and more easily broken than nylon.

Check out the gimbal I bought from Goodluckbuy for $59 US. Works like a charm, but you will need undercarriage. This is the same as the one used by Mandrake as well. They come in various colours.

(http://www.goodluckbuy.com/images/detailed_images/sku_98390_1.jpg) (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/dji-phantom-brushless-gimbal-camera-mount-w-motor-and-controller-for-gopro3-fpv-aerial-photography.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on July 31, 2014, 02:57:12 PM
My APM 2.6 stuff arrives today, currently with the courier for delivery (yippee). This shipment has the replacement minimOSD that I stuffed up. This is the only thing I am waiting on to get the F450 back in the air.

The Reptile-Aphid frame arrived as well. Not overly happy with the type of plastic used in the arms. The goodluckbuy website states nylon, but they are more likely acrylic, and more easily broken than nylon.

Check out the gimbal I bought from Goodluckbuy for $59 US. Works like a charm, but you will need undercarriage. This is the same as the one used by Mandrake as well. They come in various colours.


Grrr, so jealous, my parcel doesn't have very good tracking so all I know is that it left the international warehouse on the 26th.....  I'm sure it'll be here any moment  ;D

I'll check out the gimbal, hoping to not spend alot on this, I saw one guy who designed his own gimbal attach plates such that it was using steel wire and it was pretty good compared to the rubber balls.  So for the $59 are they 360 degree servos?  I notice it's got a control board, do the servo's have the ability for external control?  So can I add say my output from ch-8 and 9 to control tilt and pan?

My landing gear is adjustable, just add longer 12mmx12mm pine legs, that's the beauty of a scratch build.  They are currently around 15cm long but nothing stopping me extending those.

I was thinking of putting it so that it is mounted to my camera tray but projects up and out the front, so I don't have to put longer legs on.  One of my reasons for relocating the battery further back.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on July 31, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
Grrr, so jealous, my parcel doesn't have very good tracking so all I know is that it left the international warehouse on the 26th.....  I'm sure it'll be here any moment  ;D AliExpress, I swear by it, I'm over ebay's lack of shipping options and hobbyking taking my money and still requiring close to 10 working days to deliver.

I'll check out the gimbal, hoping to not spend alot on this, I saw one guy who designed his own gimbal attach plates such that it was using steel wire and it was pretty good compared to the rubber balls.  So for the $59 are they 360 degree servos?  I notice it's got a control board, do the servo's have the ability for external control?  So can I add say my output from ch-8 and 9 to control tilt and pan? Yes, Brushless = 360, servo = sometimes 360, yes comes with servo cables for radio pan/tilt control.

I was thinking of putting it so that it is mounted to my camera tray but projects up and out the front, so I don't have to put longer legs on.  One of my reasons for relocating the battery further back. Have a look at some of the frames with gimbals on Goodluckbuy, many, including my Reptile-Aphid, come with a camera gimbal already mounted to the frame that do not require high undercarriage. Some of these frame gimbals are for FPV camera's, others for flight HD camera. If you do a search for 'frame gimbal' on their website, it comes up with a heap of cool frames.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 01, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
Picked up my APM2.6 flight control board and other stuff from Aliexpress via DHL today. I was a bit worried after I purchased the APM, the Aliexpress store closed. All good though.

Once I get the minimOSD board sorted, the F450 will be ready for it's first flight with the MultiWii board.

It's going to be interesting if there is a marked difference in performance between the MultiWii and the APM2.6. I'll soon know.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on August 01, 2014, 12:54:49 PM
Saw this on Facebook today - Its used to count cattle on a remote station ... BIG AINT IT ... The one inside the ute tray .. Not my little Phantom resting on the tailgate !!
(http://www.mandrakessolar.com.au/Myswag Photos/ScreenDump021.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 01, 2014, 01:02:37 PM
Saw this on Facebook today - Its used to count cattle on a remote station ... BIG AINT IT ... The one inside the ute tray .. Not my little Phantom resting on the tailgate !!
(http://www.mandrakessolar.com.au/Myswag Photos/ScreenDump021.jpg)

Can't see the photo in the thread, but can on your 'Myswag Photos' folder on your web site. Just a little difference is size there, wow. What is the wheel base?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on August 01, 2014, 01:04:28 PM
 Any decent ute tray is 1.5 metres or better ..so its big..the Phantom is about 50 cms so that gives you an idea...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on August 03, 2014, 08:17:07 AM
I don't know how good this will be but good old Aldi are selling a Go-Pro lookalike for $50 !!! 1080P HD job - Haven't seen specs yet but if its 1920 x 1080 pixels I will be getting one .. 
Its a helmet cam with acrylic case etc - Ideal for flying around with - Maybe get 2 just in case LOL >>>> Its on sale 9/8 and not on website yet ... Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 03, 2014, 09:04:02 AM
Yeah, buggered if I can put a $400 camera on the front. Not with the way I fly.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: rotor138 on August 03, 2014, 08:46:07 PM
Still waiting on my quad, have got all the radio gear and the MultiWii Pro which I've been looking at the programming of.

Have opened a dispute on Ali Express as it has been 18 days and still no tracking information that works, if I get a refund I'm going to purchase a DJI F450 ARF kit without the flight controller.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 03, 2014, 08:58:23 PM
If your worried about Aliexpress, then a good supplier of quad stuff is Goodluckbuy who have Paypal and your choice of shipping options, but you pay for it. I bought the Reptile-Aphid using free-shipping, which usually equates to snail mail, but the frame arrived in 2 weeks, but I think that was more luck than anything. Just do a search for 'F450 Frame' in the 'Hobbies & Toys' category. Some excellent prices on kits, best I've seen yet.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 04, 2014, 09:47:47 AM
I must admit it pays to read some of the threads on rcgroups thoroughly before you buy something.

I was reading through the 100+ pages of the MultiWii/Megapirateng thread on rcgroups looking for information for setting up the minimosd. It was taking an awfully long time, so I skipped to the last few pages. I didn't like what I read there.

MultiWii FC firmware for Megapirateng has not advanced since 2013 when the last release was issued (3.0.1r4). According to the threads on rcgroups, most people have moved onto the APM board because there are more active modifications and fixes that are still being applied to the Arducopter firmware and the cost of the APM boards is coming down all the time, whereas the MultiWii firmware for Megapirateng seems to have languished. Release 2.8 supported sonar, then no longer supported sonar with release 3.0.1r4 which is a step backwards. There doesn't appear to be anyone actively modifying the firmware for the promised 3.1 release.

I have had no end of trouble getting the firmware to work with the osd card and still have not managed to get this working. I am about to throw my hands up in the air, admit defeat and move onto the APM board that arrived late last week, which at least the software and hardware where all designed to work together, unlike MultiWii which unless you use native MultiWii firmware seems to struggle with the Megapirateng firmware in one way or another. Without OSD, I will not be flying FPV, just my choice. The long awaited way point navigation for MultiWii is still in its infancy, so the better option for me is to pursue the APM option and cut my losses with the MultiWii.

I'm sure that the MultiWii will work with the right amount of effort, but crikey, I want to fly this bloody thing, not spend the next 3 months trying to work out why its not working properly and waiting for 'possible' firmware updates that may or may not eventuate.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 05, 2014, 11:33:59 AM
MultiWii FC firmware for Megapirateng has not advanced since 2013 when the last release was issued (3.0.1r4). According to the threads on rcgroups, most people have moved onto the APM board because there are more active modifications and fixes that are still being applied to the Arducopter firmware and the cost of the APM boards is coming down all the time, whereas the MultiWii firmware for Megapirateng seems to have languished. Release 2.8 supported sonar, then no longer supported sonar with release 3.0.1r4 which is a step backwards. There doesn't appear to be anyone actively modifying the firmware for the promised 3.1 release.

Hi,

I came to that same conclusion when I was looking at the next flight controller and it's why I jumped straight to the APM Mega board.  I looked at a few and weighed them up.  APM seemed to come out ahead, so that's what I ordered.  I'd give up and change to the APM since you've got it.  Use the MultiWii as a fun board, that's what I'm doing with the KK2 board that I have.  APM for the serious aerial photography / movies, and depending on it's acro mode, the KK2 is likely to become the backup if I break the APM and I'm waiting for a replacement.

I'm not happy with AusPost, it seems that their automated parcel locker system failed to send me a notification I had stuff waiting in a locker.  I got the reminder yesterday to say I had 1 day to pickup my stuff (no access code mind you)   ???.  Took AusPost nearly 45 mins to track it down and put in an override to open the box.  So it seems I had my APM a week ago, but I didnt know about it....  So Hobby King was pretty good, 5 days from order to delivery from International warehouse.  Auspost let me down.....

So this week I plan to mount the APM on to the tricopter.

Tried my first FPV flight on the weekend.  I used the PilotHD as the camera, a 5.8Ghz transmitter, a G-OSD with a 7" display / Rx.  The display I had to sit it on my daughters pram (but if AusPost had let me know I would have had a nice mount to hold the display on my transmitter).  I took off LOS and then tried to look down at the display.  It wasnt easy, the OSD I'm using only had battery voltages, no horizon line and the GPS bit wasnt working as it didnt seem to get a lock.

Gave up flying FPV after a minute or two as I had to stick to about 60m x 15m space as there was way to many people around.  I actually stopped a kids rugby practice, the coaches had to yell at them to stop looking at my tricopter.  I think I'll wait until I assemble the mount to hold the screen,  it didnt help that my wife would forget the monitor was on the pram and start rocking it.  That added a new challenge to FPV flying......

Will try again this weekend but with APM and hopefully a clear field ;D

Things to still do:
Build the lipo bunker - been using bags for the time being.
Remount the KK2 Board on to an easily removable tray
Mount the simpleOSD
Test flight of the FPV gear
Attach simple mount for GoPro
Build gimbal mount for GoPro Ordering the basic gimbal from HK (back in stock!!)
Wait for APM Mega to arrive
Mount APM board + accessories
Configure APM Board + accessories
More test flights  ;D

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 06, 2014, 11:45:26 AM
Hi,

Well I'm not so happy with HK today, I spent ages last night trying to wire up the APM 2.7.  I managed to upload the tricopter firmware, attach the power module and telemetry units last night.

Issue was when I was adding the GPS....  It seems that HK think that providing a 5 pin port on the board and only selling GPS's with 6 pins was a good idea.....  Wouldn't have minded so much if it wasn't the GPS that they recommend with this item.  Turns out the PX board takes the 6 pin connector.

So after much reading on the connector I have to move one pin and then cut the 6 pin down to a 5 pin, I'll be trying that tonight.  As a fall back I'm ordering some connectors but it will take some time on the shipping I'm thinking....

Also to get the telemetry to work on Windows 7 I had to go and download the arduino SDK, as it has all the drivers for this stuff.  Once I did that it worked well.

Good news is that I get good readings from my power unit, my telemetry works and that I get good feedback on the screen display.

I agree with HK this APM board is definitely not plug and play.

I just find it odd that they don't sell the connectors that you'd use on this, it's just bizarre to me.  Nor do they provide the advice to cut it down, that came from a buyer and then lots have done it after that.

I'll try to mount it up tonight to see if it will turn some motors!

Chris



Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 06, 2014, 12:00:27 PM
Common complaint unfortunately about the APM kits is the wrong connectors. Lucky for me, the one I got from Aliexpress has all the correct molex connections, but even that was pot luck if you ask me. It's definitely a 2.6 board without the onboard compass, but the protective case is a PITA as it is the 2.0 case with the screws on the bottom. So when you apply gyro foam to stick it down, you can't get to the screws on the bottom of the flight board case.

Did you have to reflash the APM telemetry? I haven't got that far yet, still stuffing around with minimOSD. Good thing about the HK version of this board is it comes with the splitter so you can daisy chain the minimOSD and the APM 915 telemetry board at the same time.

Be careful, there is an issue with a 3.3 volt regulator overheating on the board if you power it up with only the USB cable. See here http://diydrones.com/forum/topics/arducopter-3-1-released (http://diydrones.com/forum/topics/arducopter-3-1-released)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on August 06, 2014, 01:45:43 PM
I don't know how good this will be but good old Aldi are selling a Go-Pro lookalike for $50 !!! 1080P HD job - Haven't seen specs yet but if its 1920 x 1080 pixels I will be getting one .. 
Its a helmet cam with acrylic case etc - Ideal for flying around with - Maybe get 2 just in case LOL >>>> Its on sale 9/8 and not on website yet ... Mandrake

It is same as BigW is selling for $48.
I am using that one for our 4WD trips.
Works good, not like the GoPro but you can buy 10 of these for 1 Gopro.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: edz on August 07, 2014, 12:39:18 AM
Now this thing is a beast of a big scale P47 ... just gotta crank up the sound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXt6qUHMRu4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXt6qUHMRu4)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on August 07, 2014, 05:08:12 PM
I don't know how good this will be but good old Aldi are selling a Go-Pro lookalike for $50 !!! 1080P HD job - Haven't seen specs yet but if its 1920 x 1080 pixels I will be getting one .. 
Its a helmet cam with acrylic case etc - Ideal for flying around with - Maybe get 2 just in case LOL >>>> Its on sale 9/8 and not on website yet ... Mandrake

Just checked out the specs ( www.aldi.com.au (http://www.aldi.com.au) ) -
720p video ( 1280 x 720 at 30 fps )
BUT - it does have a 2" LCD touch screen ( for playback ??? )
Think I'll get one if I can ...
Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 07, 2014, 05:23:28 PM
Not fair, no Aldi in Adelaide.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on August 07, 2014, 06:12:16 PM
You want one ? I can try and get one for you ..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 07, 2014, 06:39:39 PM
Better not. I've got cheap action cameras coming out my wazoo, but not for a price as good as that
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on August 09, 2014, 09:57:49 AM
Good job ya didnt get one !!
Taking mine back now -- Video didn't work ! And there's no screw fitting for tripod mount on the camera its only on the acrylic case ...
Oh well !!
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: edz on August 10, 2014, 12:44:17 PM
A quad bike for the air on its way, seems the Bi- Bike might have been a bit to ambisciuos.interesting that it folds to 1/3 its length for transport .
http://www.gizmag.com/hoverbike-kickstarter-drone/33057/ (http://www.gizmag.com/hoverbike-kickstarter-drone/33057/)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on August 10, 2014, 12:58:27 PM
 Been a keen fan of these things ever since reading Jules Verne "Clipper of the Clouds " - That was a boat with several props where the masts normally go and the hull of the boat was a giant battery cell ... Not sure how it recharged but a great story and a great idea ... Maybe I'll build one and solar power it !! Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on August 10, 2014, 08:38:21 PM
I charged up my batteries for an outing today but the weather closed in so could not get off the ground. We were playing with the SES rescue boats today. Wild have been nice to get some video.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 10, 2014, 10:38:29 PM
Hi,

Well I fixed the issues from my previous flight, had to swap servo out 7 (connected to YAW servo) and then swap it again on my transmitter to get it to turn the right way.  Thought great I'll go up to the oval for a test flight, but thought I'd best do a quick check of the new APM board in the front yard first, if you have read some of my previous posts this was never going to end well and I'm thinking of banning front yard flights for a while.

I put it in a nice clear spot, I turned on the transmitter, then connected the Tricopters battery, then fired up the telemetry.  Good strong signal, at this stage I noticed the battery I'd been using was a little low on juice, I thought it's ok I'm only going to take off a few metres and put her down, what could go wrong....  (Stuff up #3)

I go to arm the board, it wont arm.  I look at the telemetry data, it's got a great GPS signal (less than 30cm out I'd say), but it's getting a prearm compass error, compass was correct though.  I decide to go in and disable the arming checks (stuff up #4).  I arm the board and it all looks good.  I start to power it up and it takes flight, god it was beautiful the stabilise mode is brilliant, never seen it so stable in flight before.  Then 2 seconds later it starts to climb, I decide to lower the power, no response.  Hmmm that is odd I think, so as a safety precaution I back the throttle right off, it still continues to climb but faster and faster.  I decide to see if some stick input works (ailerons, yaw and elevator), oddly it does so I put it into a bank to try to loose some alt, it starts to lower, but it's getting faster and faster, so I decide to put the stick in full to the side and luckily it falls rapidly.  Right then it was over a neighbours house 2 doors down and smack into their roof it goes.  Crap.  I disarm the board and I take a quick look at the telemetry data, yep it's on my neighbours roof two houses down.  I notice the battery voltage is low, not normal low but really low, it was reading 7.4v for a 3s, i remember saying that's not good..  I go for a walk and sure enough I can see it on their roof.

A quick trip to my local unit and I pick up a collapsible ladder (was just a little higher than the ladders I have at home and damn it was tight spot to get the ladder in) and a long pole.  15 mins later and I have it down.

Damage report:
One cracked propeller
One cracked tail boom
couple of snapped zipties
One dead LiPO - cell checker wont even fire up

All up about $15-20 damage.  No damage to neighbours roof, considering the condition of the tiles I was impressed.  FC and associated items all seem to fire up on a post examination and test.

So if you noticed I started with stuff up #3 above, that's because after I checked the telemetry I was able to work out the other two.  So the swiss cheese method has been used, my 4 holes lined up and created this accident.

Stuff Up #1 - Dont set any initial failsafes to RTL, have them set as LAND.  I had both Geofence and low battery failsafes set to RTL.  Change back to RTL once initial flight tests are completed.
Stuff Up #2 - Double check that home is the current launch site.  I was playing with the setting the night before and loaded a mission that had it set to a playing field 500m away (which should have set the Geofence off, seems low battery takes priority over geofence).

So what have I learnt?
1. Dont turn off the arming checks they are there for a reason.  Fix all issues before flying!
2. Always check where home is, I should have seen it on the map on the tablet but didn't notice it wasn't there.
3. I've turned Geofence and low battery to LAND, I'm sure I'll switch that to RTL but not until I trust myself some more, until then I'd prefer it lands  and I deal with the problems of where it lands at that time.
4. Always start with a fresh battery, even for those quick simple flights.
5. That I'm a lucky bastard -  had it flown to the RTL site it would have been over a group of kids playing some rugby, like right in the middle of their game.
6. Even for simple test flights turn on the camera so you get the cool footage of the copter going nuts.....
7. Take pics of the damage next time, sigh.....

So I've fixed the broken boom and remounted all the gear, what's great is that I needed to redo the rear boom to make more room for the FPV and Telemetry masts but it just hasn't broken until now.

If my OSD was working I would have known what was happening, but since my tab was 5m away when it started to go funny, I couldn't walk over.  I need to get my minimOSD working.

I have two Questions for those with APM / HK Pilot boards:
1. Should have I been able to provide inputs when it went to RTL mode?  I would have thought not?  I have checked that in the telemetry it reports it as RTL mode.  I'm wondering if the low battery was putting out less to the motors but in a non coordinated way and it just happened to be  similar as my inputs?
2. If you have a HKPilot 2.7 / APM 2.7 board and MinimOSD, have you connected it to the DF13 plug the one marked I2C?  If so have you got yours to work?  Mine sits there waiting for MAVLINK to start, I've tried with no TX connected on the OSD and with a TX on the OSD.  Have you tried to connect it using the piggy back harness on the telemetry?  Mine seems to cause issues for the board and it wont start up - well the ESC's dont make music. 

Cant wait to try it out again taking care of all the issues above that is :-)

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 10, 2014, 10:44:07 PM
I charged up my batteries for an outing today but the weather closed in so could not get off the ground. We were playing with the SES rescue boats today. Wild have been nice to get some video.

Thats a bugger about the weather.  Have a read of my other post, you could have had an afternoon like mine.

I'd love to do some filming of our boat work but NSW has a ban on them as they don't have an RPA operators license, so if I did it would have to be as a private citizen.  They have working group that will come up with a plan, will be interested to see what they come up with.  For me it would be a hard call, do the boat work or fly.... 
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 11, 2014, 07:32:29 AM
My understanding is the 3dr telemetry and the minimosd both have to plug into the telemetry port on the APM with a y cable. The i2c port doesn't send mavlink data. It was either my Multiwii fc board or the minimosd board from HK came with the appropriate cable.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 11, 2014, 09:03:31 AM
1. Should have I been able to provide inputs when it went to RTL mode?  I would have thought not?  I have checked that in the telemetry it reports it as RTL mode.  I'm wondering if the low battery was putting out less to the motors but in a non coordinated way and it just happened to be  similar as my inputs?
2. If you have a HKPilot 2.7 / APM 2.7 board and MinimOSD, have you connected it to the DF13 plug the one marked I2C?  If so have you got yours to work?  Mine sits there waiting for MAVLINK to start, I've tried with no TX connected on the OSD and with a TX on the OSD.  Have you tried to connect it using the piggy back harness on the telemetry?  Mine seems to cause issues for the board and it wont start up - well the ESC's dont make music. 
There is a bloke on rcgroups called mochaboy who has a youtube clip that shows the wiring diagram for APM/3DR Telemetry/OSD. There are two clips, but one has a diagram that will give you what you are after for wiring up both 3DR and OSD.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 11, 2014, 10:29:42 AM
There is a bloke on rcgroups called mochaboy who has a youtube clip that shows the wiring diagram for APM/3DR Telemetry/OSD. There are two clips, but one has a diagram that will give you what you are after for wiring up both 3DR and OSD.

Yep, I looked at it and used it, seemed to match hk supplied harnedd. Didnt work for some reason. Now waiting for my precrimped wires and connectors to make my own harness. As well as a replacement cable, will see which one arrives first.

The video only covers the piggyback method, have you tried the separate connect ion method, its one of the changes in the 2.7 board.

Chris

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 11, 2014, 10:46:46 AM
Pretty much where I'm at the moment. I'm waiting on a couple of metres of servo wire and crimp connectors to make my own leads for APM to receiver. I still have the splitter cable for Telemetry/OSD/APM, but the shipment with the servo wire also has yet another minimOSD after I stuffed up my second one. So I'm waiting, waiting, waiting.

I managed to get the OSD working with my first board, then I attempted the dreaded voltage monitor modification for the MultiWii at which point it fell into a pile of do do. However with that board I had the 5 volt pads soldered, and the PAL pad as well, and also removed the 'APWR' diode. That all worked sweet. Then after I stuffed up the board by bridging terminals on the ATMEGA chip, the second board I removed the 'APWR' diode, and the board never worked from the get go after I removed the diode. The second board also came with the analog and digital sides of the board already soldered together!!!!!

I'm waiting on another minimOSD board that has been in Australia since the 6th August, but the tracking has not progressed any further since.

I've got the 2.6 board, but from what I understand, these two boards are pretty much the same, but the I2C port is closer to the GPS port on the 2.7 board so the GPS and compass can be plugged in close together.

Please keep testing and posting your results. I'll catch up soon.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on August 11, 2014, 10:59:41 AM
Not fair, no Aldi in Adelaide.

I am sure there is a BigW in Adelaide. They have exactly the same, branded 3Sixt.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 11, 2014, 01:10:24 PM
Pretty much where I'm at the moment. I'm waiting on a couple of metres of servo wire and crimp connectors to make my own leads for APM to receiver. I still have the splitter cable for Telemetry/OSD/APM, but the shipment with the servo wire also has yet another minimOSD after I stuffed up my second one. So I'm waiting, waiting, waiting.

I managed to get the OSD working with my first board, then I attempted the dreaded voltage monitor modification for the MultiWii at which point it fell into a pile of do do. However with that board I had the 5 volt pads soldered, and the PAL pad as well, and also removed the 'APWR' diode. That all worked sweet. Then after I stuffed up the board by bridging terminals on the ATMEGA chip, the second board I removed the 'APWR' diode, and the board never worked from the get go after I removed the diode. The second board also came with the analog and digital sides of the board already soldered together!!!!!

I'm waiting on another minimOSD board that has been in Australia since the 6th August, but the tracking has not progressed any further since.

I've got the 2.6 board, but from what I understand, these two boards are pretty much the same, but the I2C port is closer to the GPS port on the 2.7 board so the GPS and compass can be plugged in close together.

Please keep testing and posting your results. I'll catch up soon.

Hi Marschy,

I know that feeling!  I'll keep updating, hoping to get some good stable footage soon from it.  The gopro gimbal arrived, need to be confident in it before I strap a $450 camera to it.  I most likely will put the cheaper action cam on to test it out but that is a near the end of the month addition, so much to do, so little time.

One of the benefits of the HKPilot 2.7 board is that it has the additional I2C port supposedly defaulted to an additional OSD.  It's located where the old GPS port was (right next to the power input).  This means that the minim board can transmit to the APM board and not rely on a piggybacked signal from the telemetry radios, so if the telemetry radios go offline you can still receive your OSD, as there have been a few reported instances where this has happened (and it looks tidier).  Haven't been able to get it to work so far - but i will, just a matter of when :-). 

I plan to just wire up the new minimOSD board in the piggybacked config to make it simpler for the short term - I need to have it fully tested for my Fraser Island trip in September.

Less than a month to go now!  Hard bit will be trying to pack the tricopter in for the trip.  My little girl's stuff now takes up so much room.

Cant believe I ever got out of RC flying years ago, what was I thinking!  I plan to pick up a Bixler once I get back from Fraser - just too many things to do before hand.  Plus the wife will shoot me if I bought even more RC stuff right now.  Best thing is that the hobby now joins my electronics interest with it, 15 years ago it was all really basic stuff unless you spent heaps, not to mention with the APM board it links into my programming skills too.

I ordered the sonar on the weekend, not sure when I'll find time to incorporate that one.  Might be a when I return from Fraser, although it would be nice to have a sonar for landing.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 14, 2014, 09:33:47 PM
Got the replacement minimOSD. This time, no mucking around, no soldering stuff, just reloaded the bootstrapper using my USBasp, then reloaded the firmware using the serial to usb adapter (whatever it's called), updated the character set, and BINGO.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 15, 2014, 11:55:02 AM
Got the replacement minimOSD. This time, no mucking around, no soldering stuff, just reloaded the bootstrapper using my USBasp, then reloaded the firmware using the serial to usb adapter (whatever it's called), updated the character set, and BINGO.

Nice one Marschy!

I got my replacement too but between SES, work and family it's been sitting on my bench.......  I was reading last night through that another person has had similar issues about the start up (not allowing you to arm), it seems that two wires maybe swapped on the cable for some reason (seems to be a HKPilot 2.7 and HK supplied cable).  So I will be checking that out tonight in a bid to get mine working.

Also the sonar arrived as well, reading up on it, all I have to do is mount it, plug it in and configure it.  The configure steps look easy so I might do that tonight.

On a sad note i've killed my 2nd LiPO battery, the transmitter was left on (dont monkey with stuff in the early am) and it now has killed one of the cells, a 3s reports as a 2s with a deeply degraded 2nd cell, so not good.  I thought it had over discharge protection but turns out its the other transmitter battery that has that  :-[.  More batteries to be ordered now  :D.  I think I'll switch to LiFE for the transmitter as I've read they shouldnt die if I leave it on.

So this weeks HK order will be:
2 x LiFE Transmitter batteries (1 to replace the dead lipo and 1 extra)
2 x 3s 2200mah batteries (1 to replace, plus an extra)

You can never have to many batteries  >:D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 15, 2014, 12:08:43 PM
Nice one Marschy!

I got my replacement too but between SES, work and family it's been sitting on my bench.......  I was reading last night through that another person has had similar issues about the start up (not allowing you to arm), it seems that two wires maybe swapped on the cable for some reason (seems to be a HKPilot 2.7 and HK supplied cable).  So I will be checking that out tonight in a bid to get mine working.

Also the sonar arrived as well, reading up on it, all I have to do is mount it, plug it in and configure it.  The configure steps look easy so I might do that tonight.

On a sad note i've killed my 2nd LiPO battery, the transmitter was left on (dont monkey with stuff in the early am) and it now has killed one of the cells, a 3s reports as a 2s with a deeply degraded 2nd cell, so not good.  I thought it had over discharge protection but turns out its the other transmitter battery that has that  :-[.  More batteries to be ordered now  :D.  I think I'll switch to LiFE for the transmitter as I've read they shouldnt die if I leave it on.

So this weeks HK order will be:
2 x LiFE Transmitter batteries (1 to replace the dead lipo and 1 extra)
2 x 3s 2200mah batteries (1 to replace, plus an extra)

You can never have to many batteries  >:D
I've run down one of my batteries below 3.1 volts on a couple of occasions.

If you use a dumb charger you can get it above 3.1 again, then throw it on the smart charger to balance it. I've done this a couple of times now where I haven't had a low battery alarm attached while I'm setting up the quad, so I haven't been running the motors or causing any other large current draw from the batteries and the battery has gone below the recommended low voltage.

When setting up the flight controller, you notice it falls below the minimum voltage because things stop working, like your receiver or GPS will stop working. My battery wasn't showing signs of overheating when it ran low or put on the dumb charger, so it should be ok. Time will tell.

Calculated risk, I know.

What sonar did you get?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 15, 2014, 01:22:44 PM
I've run down one of my batteries below 3.1 volts on a couple of occasions.

If you use a dumb charger you can get it above 3.1 again, then throw it on the smart charger to balance it. I've done this a couple of times now where I haven't had a low battery alarm attached while I'm setting up the quad, so I haven't been running the motors or causing any other large current draw from the batteries and the battery has gone below the recommended low voltage.

When setting up the flight controller, you notice it falls below the minimum voltage because things stop working, like your receiver or GPS will stop working. My battery wasn't showing signs of overheating when it ran low or put on the dumb charger, so it should be ok. Time will tell.

Calculated risk, I know.

What sonar did you get?


I think it's dead dead, one of the cells doesn't register at all, one is getting 2.7 and the other is around 1.75.  It was interesting my cell checker reports it as a 2s, despite it being in the 3s plug - I had to check that it was a 3 cell battery, it had me stumped.  I think it's gone but I might try the dump charger outside where it cant do any damage if it goes wrong....  Not sure I'd ever trust the battery in the future so it may not be worthwhile doing.

On the sonar I used the one from HK (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__43427__Ultrasonic_Module_HC_SR04_Arduino_AUS_Warehouse_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__43427__Ultrasonic_Module_HC_SR04_Arduino_AUS_Warehouse_.html)), for $3.31 I couldn't resist, I was expecting like $15 or $20 for it and once I realised it was that low it was a no brainer.  Looks like I just plug it into A0 and then just enable in MP.  Hoping this will be as easy as the Power Module to install :-).  It might be slightly harder as I have to find a spot to stick it to but that should be easy.

Then heights below 5m will be using it as the ALT sensor, which is handy if the terrain isnt flat, like going up a hill and you want to use ALT hold (say 4m).

I did do a really quick test of the minimOSD the other night and it does the booting up bit then it flashes an OSD screen and then goes back to booting up again and then sits there forever....  I only had 5 to 10 mins to spare and didnt expect to get much happening in that time.  Tonight if my little girl is over her cold then she'll sleep through and I wont need to get up every 10 mins to settle her.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 15, 2014, 01:33:57 PM
The HC-SR04 is the one I have as well. The little bit of reading I have done suggests setting it's limit to 2 metres and allowing the barometer to work out the altitude above that.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 15, 2014, 02:26:40 PM
The HC-SR04 is the one I have as well. The little bit of reading I have done suggests setting it's limit to 2 metres and allowing the barometer to work out the altitude above that.

Grrr, now I read the same that most arent getting the full 5m out of it, closer to 3.5m max with APM saying take 60% of that.... Sigh, why do I see these things afterwards.  So basically it'll be there only in the event that I really stuff up then, or for really low level flights, right about head chopping head wonderful....
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 15, 2014, 02:34:50 PM
Grrr, now I read the same that most arent getting the full 5m out of it, closer to 3.5m max with APM saying take 60% of that.... Sigh, why do I see these things afterwards.  So basically it'll be there only in the event that I really stuff up then, or for really low level flights, right about head chopping head wonderful....
Realistically, I only wanted to get one to help with landing. So 2 metres range will work I reckon.

I reckon the good thing about the APM platform is you can spend as little $$ as you want or as much as you want. You can get the 3DRobitics Sonar for $90 or around that mark. It's much more accurate than the HC-SR04, but you get what you pay for. For around $5 the HC-SR04 will do me fine. If it makes my landings look any better than what mine currently do, I'll be more than happy.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 15, 2014, 09:02:35 PM
The 3DRRadio is working from my desktop PC and MinimOSD is working as well. Still working out how to connect the 3DRRadio to my tablet.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 15, 2014, 09:10:42 PM
Sorted, just unplugged my OTG cable from my nexus, started Droidplanner, reconnect the OTG cable and the radio and it works. Cool, almost there, just have to do the wiring for the receiver and motors, then I'm ready to do the final tune then fly.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 16, 2014, 08:20:13 PM
Almost there now, just got to put a few more cable ties on to hold the ESC's on properly, then I'm ready for tuning, then flying.

This is my complete setup for the F450 quadcopter frame with APM 2.6 flight controller and NEO 6M GPS.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48978-1/F450+Full+Setup.JPG)

I've changed my radio over from mode 1 to mode 2 by swapping the gimbals over so I can have a shot at 'Drift' mode. Pretty simple to do, took about 1 hour. Not too happy with how easy the OSD is to read on the Fatshark Dominator goggles, actually not overly thrilled with the goggles at all to be frank. I've order a 7 inch monitor, so I'll be able to see which I prefer. I've got to find a way to secure the 3DRRadio receiver which is just hanging down at the moment from the tablet OTG cable. I should be able to secure it in a similar way to the remote antenna I have for the flight radio transmitter which uses the frame for holding my tablet to secure the remote antenna.

There is a lot of kit on these things when you break it all down.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48982-1/F450+Left.JPG)

On this side the red LED on the right side of the picture is the satellite receiver, the red LED's in the middle are the MinimOSD sandwiched above the 3DRRadio transmitter with the dipole antenna hanging down.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48984-1/F450+Rear.JPG)

Here you can see the FPV camera transmitter with it's circular polarised antenna, and above it the 9 channel OrangeRX receiver. Above it is a capacitor to help stop receiver 'brownouts' due to voltage spikes. I used the nozzle off a Mortein insect spray can to feed the receiver antenna through, otherwise you're left with a loose piece of antenna wire flapping around. You could probably use a chupa chup stick as well. It's all very DIY putting these things together so getting everything nice and neat and tidy is a challenge.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48986-1/F450+Right.JPG)

I've made a connector to allow two 3 cell 2200 mAh batteries to be connected in parallel to give me 4400 mAh. That feeds into the power module then the flight control board sandwiched right in the guts of the copter.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48980-1/F450+Front.JPG)

And finally, the gimbal with GoPro knockoff camera on the front, and the FPV camera above that.

I'm charging all of my flight batteries tonight in anticipation of a flight tomorrow.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 17, 2014, 02:30:05 AM
Hi Marschy,

Very jealous, you've gone pretty far in that time :-)

I've got my MinimOSD and Telemetry working together, turns out I had to move 3 pins on the piggyback connector.  I was lucky I had the working telemetry cable by itself to compare the piggyback cable.  So I've moved those and it seems good, board starts up properly now and I can arm it.  It's nice isnt it to not need to connect with the usb cable.  Note that it's still needed for the pulling logs off, I found that out on the flight that didnt go so well.

Tomorrow I'll try to enable the OSD and mount it, without the camera....  Will be interesting to see if that works.  Will be interesting to see if the rain lets me (I'm the SES duty officer for my area this week, and Sydney's due for some heavy rain and strong winds).  Was kinda hoping I'd be able to do a flight today but I doubt that will happen.

I burnt a camera yesterday, not happy with myself right now.  So I've order two more just in case.  This just took the mistake tax up another $50.  I forgot that the Boscam vTx passes the voltage through, which was great while I was powering it all with a 2S LiFE battery.  I thought I'd power it off the main battery and forgot that I had a UBEC to keep the voltage at the happy 5v for the camera (I got the UBEC specifically for this).  I can say the camera doesnt like 12v, no magic smoke, just a dim red light teasing me......  It normally has a bright red light.  For some reason late last night I thought it was like the immersionRC which does do a regulated 5v supply.  One of cameras is a replacement for the same PilotHD (I like have a small 720p with a microSD card slot - even if it isnt perfect in light balance, etc) the other is the camera recommended earlier (it takes 12v so I will run it without the UBEC).  So tonight was wiring up the harness to include the UBEC as a module (the number of servo connectors I'm going through is amazing).  Works nicely (as far as my multimeter is concerned), would be nice to have a camera to test it with.  Ready to mount it on the frame tomorrow.

Nice pics, it's inspired me, I'll take some tomorrow, if time permits.  Yours is looking like mine, very little free space left :-)  Although yours is looking very tidy and professional, mine has that home built look, cables not perfect but getting better..  Love the fact you've used colour coded zip ties.

Interesting that you have the tablet doing the telmetry mounted there, I have my monitor for FPV in that spot.  Although if I had it there last time I would have known what was happening......

Soon as I get my new camera I should be at the same stage.  Fingers crossed it will arrive next week.  I will try to get a flight in before work next week.  I'm thinking my next flight will be with a tether until I trust it not to RTL if it's out of the geofence area.

I've been reading up on the sonar we have, seems that we have some work ahead of us.  It's not a simple plug and play for this sonar.  So it looks like it'll have to wait till after Fraser.  I'll most likely mod it to become a plug and play with a small arduino add on board so that it gives the same data as the plug and play sonars.  I'm thinking of getting a sonar that is plug and play for the short term and then work on the other one in my spare time.  Wow at $35+ plug and play sonars are expensive little beasts.

I'll order one next pay and hope it arrives in time before I leave...

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 17, 2014, 02:38:00 AM
Sorted, just unplugged my OTG cable from my nexus, started Droidplanner, reconnect the OTG cable and the radio and it works. Cool, almost there, just have to do the wiring for the receiver and motors, then I'm ready to do the final tune then fly.

If its an android tab and if you use multiple apps, I have DroidPlanner 1 & 2, and ardupilot installed.  You'll need to disconnect the OTG cable and reconnect once the application is open as it ties the connection to the application.  In my case since I have all those apps I do a choose each time as to which app will use the connection, remember you cant just switch from one to the next easily, you have to unplug and replug it in again.  Hope it didnt take too long to work that one out, it took me an 30+ mins to work that one out.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 17, 2014, 08:14:47 AM
My burntout components list now totals

2 x minimosd boards
1 x 9 channel OrangeRX receiver that I connected straight to my battery (only likes 6 volts max). That was fun, lots of smoke. Good thing I had a couple for building my other quads.

Thanks for the tip, got the 3DRRadio receiver working. I plugged everything in this morning and the OSD is not working due to a loose connection somewhere, but I'm thinking if it's going to be flakey, I may do away with it and just use the 3DRRadio telemetry. I'm always going to have my tablet with me anyway. I bought a heap of servo connectors, so I'm going to change the connectors over to the new ones, and crimp and solder all connectors so these sort of problems go away. If that doesn't work and the OSD plays up with its connection from time to time, I'll ditch the OSD. Better to have the FPV camera work all the time without stuffing around with the OSD.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 17, 2014, 06:00:03 PM
I didn't get to do much more that trim the pitch, roll and yaw today. Trying to get the channel 7 tuning working, but it is not working for me. I'll keep trying.

Sparkfun website sells all of the recommended 3DRobitics sonars, bit dearer than 3DRRobitics website, but shipping is a lot less. You can get an LV-EZ4 for $27.95 US and international Economy shipping $2.72. Look in the sensor section under 'proximity'.

3DRRobitics shipping is outrageous, it's dearer than the actual sonar. Even worse is the Maxbotics web site who make the sonars.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 17, 2014, 10:29:08 PM
Hi,

Since Marschy did such a good job of showing us where he's up to, he inspired me to do the same.

So this is my tricopter:
(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/48996-2/20140817_211152+_1280x720_.jpg)

It consists of 7mm ply wood for the plates and 12mm x 12mm pine for three booms.  I'm using the DT750 motors with 10x4.5 props.  Seems to have plenty of power.  It's based upon the rcexplorer.se tricopter (v2.5)

I typically power it using a 3s 2200mah battery but I also use 3s 5000mah for when I want a longer flight time.  On the KK2 board I was getting 12 - 14 mins on the 2200 and about 20-22 mins on the 5000.  Now that I'm using the HKPilot 2.7 board I'm expecting this to go down as I'm now powering my camera and OSD through the main battery, and the APM board I think will be a bit more hungry (I have telemetry and GPS that my KK2 config didnt have).  Those times were with an action cam mounted on the front instead of the PilotHD.  I am building my Go Pro mount this week and plan to mount it onto the frame.

Can you spot the minumOSD tucked away:
(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49010-2/20140817_211300+_1280x720_.jpg)

It's tucked away with the custom harness I made.  Hoping it will work when I get my replacement camera this week.

My radio and monitor:
(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49019-2/20140817_211340+_1280x720_.jpg)

I've just got a basic Turnigy 9x (running stock firmware), I plan to upgrade to the 9XR soon.

My yaw control:
(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49013-2/20140817_211313+_1280x720_.jpg)

My telemetry on PC (use my phone or tab when out and about):
(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49025-2/20140817_212522+_1280x720_.jpg)

This was one part that was easy for the PC, took 30 mins to work out how to hook up to the Android tablet.

Now that I've got every thing working (minus the camera) I'm hoping that I'll get a break one of the days before work this week and give it a test flight.  The KK2 board worked well and I can switch back to it easily as the tray on top can be swapped for the KK2.  Really looking forward to testing out this APM board.  It looked so graceful on the last test flight, until the failsafe kicked in.

I cant say it enough, this gear is not plug and play.....  Just about everything needed some tweaking.  The only part that was really plug and play was the power module.  I've had to switch wires for the external compass, I've had to cut the GPS from 6 pins to 5 pins and I've had to move wires on the OSD telemtry piggy back cable. 

I've also built a custom harness for the MinimOSD to work.

I need to feel confident that it will fly how I want so I can take it to Fraser with me in the next couple of weeks.

One of the mainstream providers would do so well like HK if they did this for you, even if you buy the kits you still need to tweak this stuff, absolutely crazy.  If you didn't have basic electronics skills you'd be stuffed, you'd give up.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 17, 2014, 10:46:57 PM
Hello Chris, if at some stage you are looking at tidying up the wiring, then consider putting some of this stuff on your shopping list.

(https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/spiral-black(4).jpg) (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=23568)

The mesh works as well, but the problem with the mesh is that the ends need to have heat shrink put over it to secure the end of the mesh to stop it from unravelling.

The spiral wrap tubing is more versatile, because if you need to, you can remove it and reuse it. The mesh is remove and bin. This stuff makes the job so much tidier.

The 9XR is a good radio, more so with the accessories they flog it off with as well. Plus, as I have already done myself, you can swap between mode 1 and 2. I've reflashed mine with OpenTx, which is used by other open source radio's like the Taranis which is a logical radio to move onto if I need something with more grunt than the 9XR. And if I do move on, then at least the firmware is familiar.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: edz on August 19, 2014, 01:17:16 PM
How long till this happens I wonder http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread907188/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread907188/pg1)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 19, 2014, 01:48:24 PM
How long till this happens I wonder http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread907188/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread907188/pg1)


Hopefully it won't happen here, some people do strange things (each to there own though).

People have been using airsoft (bb guns) and fire crackers off multirotors for a while (in US and Europe).  For the firecrackers they use a remote channel to light them and then they have wait for it to finish.  Luckily guns weigh a lot generally so I dont think it will be something that people do a lot, even in the US which has a very vocal gun crazy group.  Although to my knowledge this has been done a few times over there.

Here in Aus it would be a lot harder to do, it would be a very quick way to loose your firearms license as I'm pretty sure this would breach many of the conditions.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 19, 2014, 01:58:23 PM
Pretty sure the guy is breaking US FAA laws as well. The guy obviously doesn't want to be identified. No different to mounting a gun on the fender of your car or the handlebars of your pushbike.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 19, 2014, 02:49:43 PM
Pretty sure the guy is breaking US FAA laws as well. The guy obviously doesn't want to be identified. No different to mounting a gun on the fender of your car or the handlebars of your pushbike.

I'd agree with that, It would more likely be state or county laws than federal laws though.  I'm sure there'd be a few federal laws that would help too.

I'm not sure if any of the ones I've seen of guns mounted on a multicopter have ever had the firearm discharged, I'm thinking that the FC would have a hell of a time counteracting it and not letting it fall out of the sky.

The only question I have is: WHY?

What is wrong with people.....  Cameras make sense as we want to see pictures from up there, but a gun, can only mean he wants to use it surely?

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 19, 2014, 03:03:48 PM
I'm thinking that the FC would have a hell of a time counteracting it and not letting it fall out of the sky.
It could be used in place of FLIP flightmode  ;D

It's going to happen one day though. Lets face it, some crackpot is going to use one as a means for delivering a lethal payload one day. Most likely something that blows up, more so than a firearm.

May as well fly quad's while the sun shines, I reckon the US will have an incident either from a domestic or foreign threat and it will be all over for quadcopters and possibly fixed wing RC models as well. Long range FPV systems are already capable of 10+ km range, this puts a perpetrator well away from the scene of the incident with a good head start to get the hell of out Dodge and all done anonymously and autonomously.

 
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 19, 2014, 08:52:59 PM
Just read on fpvlab that the ban on FPV by the FAA includes autopilot systems as well.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 23, 2014, 04:49:53 PM
Haven't had a chance to get out and fly today, few jobs around the house were begging to be done, so all I've done this week is have a go at making my own clover leaf antenna for the next quad.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49036-1/Clover+Leaf+5_8gHz.JPG)

It turned out very well. I used brass standoffs that are used for mounting computer motherboards which are ideal for soldering the wire to. They have been ground down to about 4mm and because the standoff is a hex shape, when drilled with a 1mm drill every second face of the hex nut, gives you a good reference for each petal of the antenna to be 120 degrees from the next.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49038-1/Clover+Leaf+5_8gHz+closeup.JPG)

The SMA connector from Jaycar is a ripoff at $5.95. I ordered a metre of RG316 coax months ago for next to nothing off ebay. The next lot of SMA's I'll order from ebay which you can get for around a buck a piece.

I'm certainly not going to buy 5.8gHz antennas anymore when you can make them so cheaply if you already have a heap of old 240 volt cable with 1mm copper wire. I reckon I should be able to knock these up for about $3/each.

Edit: Finished making the 4 petal clover leaf antenna for the receiver today. Works like a bought one.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49040-1/Receiver+Antenna.JPG)

Very impressed with the 700tvl CCD camera. The image is very sharp in full sunlight, bit grainy in low light, but again much better than the Pilot HD and half the price. The Pilot HD was originally going to go on the F450, but I've put the 700tvl camera on there now. So I've ordered another for the Alien quad.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on August 24, 2014, 06:37:56 PM
Was looking through Aliexpress today and found this ...
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-RC-airplane-RC-Cessna-182-plane-EPO-hobby-model-aircraft-RTF-aeromodelo-eletricorc-planes/2025038921.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-RC-airplane-RC-Cessna-182-plane-EPO-hobby-model-aircraft-RTF-aeromodelo-eletricorc-planes/2025038921.html)

Might be my next RC machine ... Its pretty big !!!

Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 25, 2014, 01:52:05 PM
Was looking through Aliexpress today and found this ...
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-RC-airplane-RC-Cessna-182-plane-EPO-hobby-model-aircraft-RTF-aeromodelo-eletricorc-planes/2025038921.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-RC-airplane-RC-Cessna-182-plane-EPO-hobby-model-aircraft-RTF-aeromodelo-eletricorc-planes/2025038921.html)

Might be my next RC machine ... Its pretty big !!!

Mandrake


Looks nice, I like the free shipping.

Once I've got the tricopter working nicely (and I can fly it well) I'm planning on buying a Bixler 2 (I think it's 1.5m wingspan).  That'll be a few months down the track, should be in time for Christmas :-)

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 25, 2014, 02:04:42 PM
Hmmm, my luck is not so good right now.  I stupidly plugged in the wrong plug to my 9x and as luck would have it was reversed so I fried it.  I have to remember to use the JR server plug and not the other plug on the battery.....

I have received a replacement, the 9XR and I have to say it's ok but I think my removal of my module from the 9x didnt work so well.  APM reports a very jittery input, the PWM values jump by 10-20, the 9x was rock solid.

I've got a orange reciever and module (2.4 Ghz) one the way so I'll see if that fixes it.  Will be interesting to see if it's the

I've also ordered a 9x replacement (Mode 1) as the 9XR doesnt look so nice.  I'll do the conversion to a Mode 2, looks easy as I checked out the dead 9x to see how to do it.  At least I have a 9x for spare parts - I opened it up to see if it was an easy fix.  First couple of regs seem ok and the capacitor seems ok too.  After opening it, it seems so stupid that there's a diode on the charger plug but not on the battery plug, so odd.  At least I have a dead 9x for spare parts now.....

So no flying for me over the weekend, grrrrr.  I have my cameras working so that is all good, both the 5v versions and the 12v versions.  Holy crap I see the difference in the quality between the PilotHD and the 700TVL camera, even the NTSC camera I thought was dead was good.  Minim OSD is still playing up, I'm going to try to keep the 12V off the board and do the solder trick to power the analogue side.  Will see how it goes.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 25, 2014, 02:24:14 PM
Not impressed with the PilotHD camera at all. The image is not the best even in good light, then throw OSD on top of that and through my goggles looks like garbage.

The swap from mode 1 to mode 2 took me about an hour on the 9XR and even then I took my time, its a simple swap over. I reckon it would take about the same amount of time on the 9X.

PWM from the 9XR on Mission Planner radio calibration is rock solid with my OrangeRX transmitter module (DSM2).

I haven't soldered anything on my last minimOSD from hobbyking and it worked no prob using seperate digital and analogue power supplies. The trick is to reload the boot strapper using an USBasp, then reload the firmware using the FDTI to UART connector with both the digital and analogue power supplies connected at the same time. When you reload the bootstapper using Arduino it gives an error right at the end, but it works because the OSDConfig software was no longer giving me 'Cannot load boot strapper' (or similar error) and the OSD config I setup was displayed on my screen correctly.

Apart from my crappy servo connections that allow the pins to come out, it's working fine now. I've got new servo connectors that I just have to swap over and I'm good to go.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on August 25, 2014, 03:01:59 PM
Great to see some other RC nerds that are campers too :-)

I have been flying RC helis for 10 years and recently got into quads etc.

I have a heap of 3D helis in all shapes and sizes as well as a TBS discovery PRO with Go Pro on gimble and a Mini H Blackout racing quad.  FPV is so much fun racing with it is another level!!

Just getting into campers hope to see you guys at a campsite soon for a fly :-)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 25, 2014, 03:04:52 PM
Great to see some other RC nerds that are campers too :-)

I have been flying RC helis for 10 years and recently got into quads etc.

I have a heap of 3D helis in all shapes and sizes as well as a TBS discovery PRO with Go Pro on gimble and a Mini H Blackout racing quad.  FPV is so much fun racing with it is another level!!

Just getting into campers hope to see you guys at a campsite soon for a fly :-)
Excellent, however I prefer 'geek' to 'nerd'. I know, it's splitting hairs but I have standards  ;D

What do you think of the TBS discovery?

I think flitetest did a review of the mini h blackout, looked pretty cool.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on August 25, 2014, 04:00:19 PM
Geek it is  ;D

The TBS disco Pro is a very well made and well thought out machine indeed. I am super impressed with the level of design and quality in the integrated PCB design.

I bought everything and had it built with relative ease. It is super stable and the footage from it is very nice (from the gopro) I have the Gopro setup on a 3 position switch for straight fwd, 45 degree and straight down views.

It is not a cheap solution but it is a good one!!!!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on August 25, 2014, 04:06:40 PM
The mini h is nuts on fpv solid and fun super cheap to fix


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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 25, 2014, 04:08:51 PM
Not that I'm in the market for one, but the price for the TBS fibreglass boards without arms on goodluckbuy was about $120 US, which I thought was pretty good, but then you have to get the power module etc etc, so it starts adding up. But it's no different, expense wise, to getting the reptile knockoff of the TBS then adding ubec's and everything else to get the same level of functionality.

The TBS Discovery is certainly a nice frame. What flight controller are you using to keep in in the air?

I'm yet to pull my finger out and put my Reptile-Aphid together with the Naza M V2 system. Should start doing that soon now that I've got the F450 sorted. Just gotta convince the missus that this one needs t-motors.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on August 25, 2014, 05:14:08 PM
(http://mandrakessolar.com.au/Myswag Photos/Danger.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on August 25, 2014, 11:13:21 PM
Hey Marschy I am running the Naza v2 on the TBS with GPS and OSD etc.  great for plug and play and works no problem. The TBS adds up I got mine with the TBS upgraded motors and all the bels and whistles

I am running the Naze 32 on the racer cheap light and flys great.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 27, 2014, 01:02:35 AM
Well my new orange 2.4 Ghz transmitter module and receiver arrived today, I've fitted it and yes it is rock solid on the values according to my APM.  I think I must have some dodgy solder work on the old 2.4 Ghz module when I moved it to an independent module.  Will open it up again and try to fix it but I'm in no rush now I have the new stuff.

Now I've been using the 9XR (on the ground that is) it is growing on me.  I still have a 9X on the way as a backup.

If the weather is good on Saturday I plan to do my 2nd flight with the APM (damn the bad weather lately in Sydney.....), I'll do this one LOS but with a camera to record the event - hopefully uneventful unlike my previous APM flight.

I've learnt from my mistakes, I now have all the PreArm checks on, I have failsafe mode set to land, I've turned off the failsafe for low battery (just warns me now) - I'll use a fresh one on the day and I think I'll tether it with some cord so it cant go too far.  It needs to earn my trust again.......  Once it's hovered and done a few manoeuvres in a 5m x 5m x 5m area I'll feel confident enough to untether it.  It's not like the KK2 board where if I felt it's going bad I could just kill the throttle.....  If all goes well I'll try an FPV flight (within LOS) next week before work one day.

It has to perform this weekend or I wont take it with me to Fraser in Sept.......  I really want it to perform nicely.

Hi Marshy,

I think you mentioned you use a 9XR, I'm looking at how to mount my monitor mount onto the 9XR (I have a mount for the 9X with the metal bar), I noticed there are two bolt holes just above the transmitter module, do you know what size they are, the thread or what depth bolts are acceptable?  Just that I'm thinking of building a plywood adapter so I can use my existing mount, just the part I'm not sure about is those bolts......  I noticed you have the tablet holder for it, I'm thinking I could just buy one are they any good?  I found the 9X one to be pretty good, more solid than I expected.

Also thanks for the tips on the MinimOSD, I'll try it out on Thrusday night after work.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 27, 2014, 06:42:58 AM
Gday Chris,

I'm pretty sure the screws for holding the tablet mount are M3 about an inch long, but I'll check tonight after work. Only 2 screws hold the whole thing onto the back of the radio.

The mount is pretty handy. Here is the link. But you must get the antenna extension as well to move it away from all the clutter now at the back of the radio.

https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__55688__Turnigy_9XR_9XR_Pro_Adjustable_Tablet_Mount_Stand_1pc_.html (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__55688__Turnigy_9XR_9XR_Pro_Adjustable_Tablet_Mount_Stand_1pc_.html)

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49042-1/9xr+tablet+mount.JPG)

As you can see, it allows the transmitter antenna to be mounted remotely, and when I have the tablet hooked up it also secures the 3DR telemetry receiver. The neoprene on the bottom of the stand doesn't come with it. They supply some crap pieces of foam that don't fit. I had some airconditioning insulation neoprene out in the shed that fit the bill.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on August 27, 2014, 03:03:22 PM
http://www.iflscience.com/technology/3d-printed-robot-takes-hoverbike-out-spin (http://www.iflscience.com/technology/3d-printed-robot-takes-hoverbike-out-spin) - watch the vid!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 27, 2014, 11:21:55 PM
Gday Chris,

I'm pretty sure the screws for holding the tablet mount are M3 about an inch long, but I'll check tonight after work. Only 2 screws hold the whole thing onto the back of the radio.

The mount is pretty handy. Here is the link. But you must get the antenna extension as well to move it away from all the clutter now at the back of the radio.

https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__55688__Turnigy_9XR_9XR_Pro_Adjustable_Tablet_Mount_Stand_1pc_.html (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__55688__Turnigy_9XR_9XR_Pro_Adjustable_Tablet_Mount_Stand_1pc_.html)

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49042-1/9xr+tablet+mount.JPG)

As you can see, it allows the transmitter antenna to be mounted remotely, and when I have the tablet hooked up it also secures the 3DR telemetry receiver. The neoprene on the bottom of the stand doesn't come with it. They supply some crap pieces of foam that don't fit. I had some airconditioning insulation neoprene out in the shed that fit the bill.


Hi Marschy,

Sigh I looked at the time I have left and decided it was easier to just buy it....  By the time I design it up and then buy all the bits, it'll be a similar cost and wont be as nice, plus I've only got limited time to work on stuff.  So one order placed, hopefully it only takes 6 days like my last order did.  I think I have some thick foam that would do the trick, it's what was protecting my bullbar when I got it.  It seems that they sometimes skimp on the really little things that just finish it off nicely, kinda odd how they do this.

Thanks for the offer to confirm the screw sizes, but no need now :-)

Had some spare time tonight but not enough to do the camera work, I've got all my modes and mixing worked out on the APM, so now I'm just waiting for some decent weather and some free time to do the test flight, Friday morning is looking good.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: GGV8Cruza on August 28, 2014, 08:03:02 PM
A bit of great footage from a swagger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1OXreXKhY4&list=UU1P-KjyVXcKPi14nl3iR_vw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1OXreXKhY4&list=UU1P-KjyVXcKPi14nl3iR_vw)

GG
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Basel on August 28, 2014, 08:16:28 PM
Wow! Amazing footage, looks pro
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on August 28, 2014, 08:19:41 PM
Excellent what rig you running ? Lot of over water shots awesome


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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 28, 2014, 08:22:00 PM
Pretty amazing. Something to aspire to.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: GGV8Cruza on August 28, 2014, 08:25:55 PM
Excellent what rig you running ? Lot of over water shots awesome


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I wish it was mine, just a mate I go camping with occasionally and he just did a huge trip. Not sure of what he is running. He may come along soon and let us know.

GG
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: oldmate on August 29, 2014, 06:30:50 AM
That's an awesome bit of vid. Thanks for posting gg
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 29, 2014, 08:45:40 AM
Coincidence, or the Clive Palmer effect?

I've placed two orders, one with Aliexpress, one on Goodluckbuy. Paid for express shipping in both instances via China Post EMS.

Aliexpress sent my shipment via Hong Kong Air Mail and I'm still waiting for it over two weeks later. I will be disputing this order once it arrives so I can send evidence to Aliexpress that I was charged for shipping that I was not provided.

Goodluckbuy hadn't even processed my order as of this morning, 7 working days after I placed the order. I queried them this morning and the excuses started flying about taking upto 7 days to process an order, so I asked them if they hadn't even processed my order yet, how can they advertise 5-10 days delivery for EMS from the time of your order. I have asked for a refund of the $25 in shipping costs and to send it via Air Mail as they will already go over the 10 working days delivery time anyway by a long shot. So effectively I've paid for a service that they cannot provide either. It's only stuff that I ordered for Fathers day that I didn't really need, but made the missus happy that I was getting something for Fathers day so not concerned with getting it another 15-45 days from now.

It's just the principal, I don't like paying for a service that is not being provided. But somehow I don't think I will be buying from either seller again. Pity, Goodluckbuy has some great quadcopter stuff.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on August 29, 2014, 09:04:17 AM
I just ordered my FPV stuff from Banggood.com . The mini camera is already posted the other bits will be posted tomorrow they said..ordinary mail so will see how long it takes.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on August 29, 2014, 02:47:06 PM
Coincidence, or the Clive Palmer effect?

I've placed two orders, one with Aliexpress, one on Goodluckbuy. Paid for express shipping in both instances via China Post EMS.

Aliexpress sent my shipment via Hong Kong Air Mail and I'm still waiting for it over two weeks later. I will be disputing this order once it arrives so I can send evidence to Aliexpress that I was charged for shipping that I was not provided.

Goodluckbuy hadn't even processed my order as of this morning, 7 working days after I placed the order. I queried them this morning and the excuses started flying about taking upto 7 days to process an order, so I asked them if they hadn't even processed my order yet, how can they advertise 5-10 days delivery for EMS from the time of your order. I have asked for a refund of the $25 in shipping costs and to send it via Air Mail as they will already go over the 10 working days delivery time anyway by a long shot. So effectively I've paid for a service that they cannot provide either. It's only stuff that I ordered for Fathers day that I didn't really need, but made the missus happy that I was getting something for Fathers day so not concerned with getting it another 15-45 days from now.

It's just the principal, I don't like paying for a service that is not being provided. But somehow I don't think I will be buying from either seller again. Pity, Goodluckbuy has some great quadcopter stuff.

Coincidence I'd say :-)

On this note, I think that companies need to improve there dispatch times.  How hard is it to print an order to a warehouse, get it picked and packed for pickup.  HK though is pretty good, most ebay sellers ship the next day, because there is a rating system.

The area that can do with improvement is the couriers.  I guess that's why you have express delivery as a choice and you pay for it, but dammit if you pay for it you expect it.  Not that hard a concept for them you'd think.

I think those companies trying to sell based upon unrealistic times is extremely bad form and they will loose customers from that.  HK has gotten a large some of money from me because they have been good to me, as soon as I get mucked around my money goes elsewhere.  I love the response to questions about delivery of items, well its out of our hands its the couriers issue, not ours.  Yours though is even weirder in that they havent even dispatched it for delivery, not a hard thing for them to do if they think about it, unless they have a stock issue.  Don't they get that the customer only cares about the time from order to them, not that it's out of suppliers hands as normally the supplier chooses the courier.....  The customer only cares that it arrives in a reasonable time and with a reasonable service (having to drive to a place to pick it up, not leaving cards, not knocking & only leaving a card, or call 4+ times to get it redelivered is not acceptable).

I have a list of couriers who I refuse to use and they will never get my business, and I mean never.  I have even asked places before I order if it is on that list and told them while they use that courier they wont get my money.  I've had some places organise alternatives, others have said well that's who we use.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on August 29, 2014, 04:47:41 PM
I wish it was mine, just a mate I go camping with occasionally and he just did a huge trip. Not sure of what he is running. He may come along soon and let us know.

GG
He is running A DJI F550 flame wheel with a NAZA Controller and fatshark FPV The F550 is a hexcopter. Mostly stock standard I think but he does get some great footage. Flight times are about 7-8 min with a 6ah battery.
This is what I can remember about his gear. Oh and he uses a Spektrum DX8 Radio.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on August 29, 2014, 08:39:14 PM
Had success with Goodluckbuy. They have refunded the EMS shipping that I paid for. They still haven't processed the order, that's another issue.

The Aliexpress transaction is another story. They are claiming that they sent the 7 inch monitor via Hong Kong Registered Letter rather than EMS because it has an inbuilt lipo battery. BS is all I can say, the monitor doesn't have an inbuilt battery from the description, that is the next model up with diversity receiver, so this one looks like it will go all the way to a dispute and possibly having to unscrew the cover off the monitor once I receive it to take photos to support my dispute claim to Aliexpress.

Don't deal with this store on Aliexpress. They will rip you off for shipping.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/1185701 (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/1185701)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: GGV8Cruza on August 29, 2014, 09:14:28 PM
He is running A DJI F550 flame wheel with a NAZA Controller and fatshark FPV The F550 is a hexcopter. Mostly stock standard I think but he does get some great footage. Flight times are about 7-8 min with a 6ah battery.
This is what I can remember about his gear. Oh and he uses a Spektrum DX8 Radio.
Regards
Crispy

He also has a new fold up model as well which fits in his back pack. It goes up takes some great video and normally comes back  ;D

GG
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on August 29, 2014, 09:34:01 PM
He also has a new fold up model as well which fits in his back pack. It goes up takes some great video and normally comes back  ;D

GG
Now that would be good. Take it into remote areas where the car can't get to and then fly.
I have been thinking about something like that but have not come across anything I like yet.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on September 02, 2014, 11:02:23 PM
Eureka,  minimosd is finally working!

So happy, now it gets to come to Fraser with us!

Chris

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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 03, 2014, 07:27:27 AM
Would you believe it. My minimOSD is working fine, but I just felt the temperature of the 3DRRadio Air module and it's cooking, jiggled the molex connector about, poof, blue smoke, and because it's piggy backed to the minimOSD it took that out as well.

The minimOSD that I thought I buggered up by removing the diode is actually working as I found out last night, but now I have to get a new 3DRRadio telemetry set. I'll get the Hobbyking version this time.

Well done on getting yours working Chris. I am going to solder the minimOSD connectors for the video in and out and power. What I'm finding is vibration is causing the video to break up really badly due to the el-cheapo props causing lots of vibration through the frame. I don't want to loose video during flight, so I think soldering the connections is my best option.

Another thing I noticed as well is the Hobbyking MinimOSD gives a very nice video feed with the OSD overlay using separate power for digital and analogue, whereas the one from Aliexpress that I removed the diode and is using 5 volts for the analogue side tends to flicker. The very reason for the separate power feeds.

The new 7 inch monitor also arrived yesterday with built in 5.8 gHz receiver. Very nice little screen, also came with XT60 power connectors. This is the one I got ripped off for shipping, but admittedly it is a nice monitor, so I might as well just suck it up and wear the $10 additional shipping cost that they ripped me off for.

I see you've also got the tablet mount for your 9XR. Good piece of kit, hey? The large holes at the very top allow the antenna for the 3DRRadio SMA connector to poke through then connect the antenna, so it's a really useful bit of gear.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on September 03, 2014, 04:04:02 PM
Would you believe it. My minimOSD is working fine, but I just felt the temperature of the 3DRRadio Air module and it's cooking, jiggled the molex connector about, poof, blue smoke, and because it's piggy backed to the minimOSD it took that out as well.

The minimOSD that I thought I buggered up by removing the diode is actually working as I found out last night, but now I have to get a new 3DRRadio telemetry set. I'll get the Hobbyking version this time.

Well done on getting yours working Chris. I am going to solder the minimOSD connectors for the video in and out and power. What I'm finding is vibration is causing the video to break up really badly due to the el-cheapo props causing lots of vibration through the frame. I don't want to loose video during flight, so I think soldering the connections is my best option.

Another thing I noticed as well is the Hobbyking MinimOSD gives a very nice video feed with the OSD overlay using separate power for digital and analogue, whereas the one from Aliexpress that I removed the diode and is using 5 volts for the analogue side tends to flicker. The very reason for the separate power feeds.

The new 7 inch monitor also arrived yesterday with built in 5.8 gHz receiver. Very nice little screen, also came with XT60 power connectors. This is the one I got ripped off for shipping, but admittedly it is a nice monitor, so I might as well just suck it up and wear the $10 additional shipping cost that they ripped me off for.

I see you've also got the tablet mount for your 9XR. Good piece of kit, hey? The large holes at the very top allow the antenna for the 3DRRadio SMA connector to poke through then connect the antenna, so it's a really useful bit of gear.

Hi Marschy,

Hmmm that is not good, dont tell me between us we are only allowed one working MinimOSD, let me know when yours is working so I can avoid killing mine :-)  On a plus they are $20 odd from HK and I usually get it 48 hours after I've ordered it.

On the HK MinimOSD, be careful if using two batteries, I may have gone through 2 others due to the ground potential not being the same.  I was using a separate battery for my camera (analogue side) to the FC which was powering the Digital side.  If there is more than 0.3V difference in ground between the two circuits it fries the board.  If you plan to use separate batteries make sure that the grounds are connected to avoid this issue.  I'm going to try to resurrect my two dead ones by soldering the analogue and digital circuits together  Should result in a simpler circuit as one of my cameras is a 5V camera - will have to check the current draw (which I suspect will be higher).  Then again I plan to just plug in the other Minim's to my working config and confirm there status.

So I now power it all of the one battery and it works nicely, although it also piggybacking off the telemetry radio rather than it's own connection.  I'll deal with that one issue after I get back.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on September 03, 2014, 04:14:19 PM
I see you've also got the tablet mount for your 9XR. Good piece of kit, hey? The large holes at the very top allow the antenna for the 3DRRadio SMA connector to poke through then connect the antenna, so it's a really useful bit of gear.

I picked it up a few hours before the photo was taken.  Its pretty good so far, I had to remove a bit of the rubber to mount the monitor, due to the way the monitor is moulded.  So I guess I had two wins last night, MinimOSD and the mount kit!

Easy to build and seems reasonable quality.  I'll have to do some flying with it to see how good it is :-)

Thanks for the suggestion.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 03, 2014, 04:31:26 PM
Not 100% sure what I did to fry the 3DRRadio, needless to say, as soon as I connect it, it heats up like a stove.

The minimosd that I thought I stuffed by removing the diode is working now all on 5 volt supply for both the atmega chip and the video chip, but getting flickering on the screen, could be dodgy solder on either the ground plane solder pad, or the one on the front for joining the two supplies for 5 volt.

Removing the diode right next to the vin/vout pins is to isolate the 5 volt power supply from the 12 volt video power supply. There are other ways of doing this as well which involves not joining the ground wire (I think this is what you are referring to ^^^^ about the 0.3 volt difference using 2 batteries). I didn't know about the 0.3 volt difference on the ground causing the board to fry, I wonder if that is what I did with the Hobbyking board, as this one I didn't do any soldering whatsoever and just used 5v digital power and 12 volt analogue power as per the bog standard instructions?

Either way, I'll be resoldering the solder pads for the 5 volt supply joints and getting rid of the servo connectors and soldering them directly to the vin/vout pins. It works perfectly other than the annoying flicker (more a pulse than a flicker if that makes sense). It's the OSD text that is flickering, not the actual video, but quite noticeable.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on September 03, 2014, 10:25:32 PM
Which Mini OSD is that I like the layout etc..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 04, 2014, 01:37:58 AM
It's called the "MinimOSD".

Minim OSD v1.1 (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=36844)

It uses the Mavlink protocol so your flight control board must be compatible.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on September 04, 2014, 01:27:51 PM
Not 100% sure what I did to fry the 3DRRadio, needless to say, as soon as I connect it, it heats up like a stove.

The minimosd that I thought I stuffed by removing the diode is working now all on 5 volt supply for both the atmega chip and the video chip, but getting flickering on the screen, could be dodgy solder on either the ground plane solder pad, or the one on the front for joining the two supplies for 5 volt.

Removing the diode right next to the vin/vout pins is to isolate the 5 volt power supply from the 12 volt video power supply. There are other ways of doing this as well which involves not joining the ground wire (I think this is what you are referring to ^^^^ about the 0.3 volt difference using 2 batteries). I didn't know about the 0.3 volt difference on the ground causing the board to fry, I wonder if that is what I did with the Hobbyking board, as this one I didn't do any soldering whatsoever and just used 5v digital power and 12 volt analogue power as per the bog standard instructions?

Either way, I'll be resoldering the solder pads for the 5 volt supply joints and getting rid of the servo connectors and soldering them directly to the vin/vout pins. It works perfectly other than the annoying flicker (more a pulse than a flicker if that makes sense). It's the OSD text that is flickering, not the actual video, but quite noticeable.

I'm thinking it might be what happened to yours, I think I've killed two before I realised what was happening.  None of the diagrams on the Ardu stuff says this...  Had to read it in forums.  Having done it, the board just worked without issues (3rd) as did my 2nd one until I tried it on two batteries.  Must link the grounds together as I'm sure that you'll have the same problem.  The + stay separate it's only the ground's that need to be linked.  I found it easier to just run it off the one battery and use a BEC to down it to 5V for the camera that needs 5 V, I just remove the BEC for the cameras that need 12V.  There are downsides and that is if the flight battery dies so does everything else but I figure if I loose the main battery I loose the APM which has the data I want anyway, so I'd have to use the telemetry data which is on the tablet or PC so no major loss really.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: gec on September 05, 2014, 12:02:44 AM
Was looking through Aliexpress today and found this ...
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-RC-airplane-RC-Cessna-182-plane-EPO-hobby-model-aircraft-RTF-aeromodelo-eletricorc-planes/2025038921.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-RC-airplane-RC-Cessna-182-plane-EPO-hobby-model-aircraft-RTF-aeromodelo-eletricorc-planes/2025038921.html)

Might be my next RC machine ... Its pretty big !!!

Mandrake


I bought that very same plane the other day, but much cheaper, here is a link to it if your still interested.

http://www.pw-rc.com/product_info.php/cPath/126/products_id/3585?osCsid=7c26c592d7650e1e87bf95aa2be4e438 (http://www.pw-rc.com/product_info.php/cPath/126/products_id/3585?osCsid=7c26c592d7650e1e87bf95aa2be4e438)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 05, 2014, 03:42:34 AM
Price difference is the radio controller I think my one is included ..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 05, 2014, 06:33:36 AM
I'm thinking it might be what happened to yours, I think I've killed two before I realised what was happening.  None of the diagrams on the Ardu stuff says this...  Had to read it in forums.  Having done it, the board just worked without issues (3rd) as did my 2nd one until I tried it on two batteries.  Must link the grounds together as I'm sure that you'll have the same problem.  The + stay separate it's only the ground's that need to be linked.  I found it easier to just run it off the one battery and use a BEC to down it to 5V for the camera that needs 5 V, I just remove the BEC for the cameras that need 12V.  There are downsides and that is if the flight battery dies so does everything else but I figure if I loose the main battery I loose the APM which has the data I want anyway, so I'd have to use the telemetry data which is on the tablet or PC so no major loss really.

Chris

I have to do a bit of reading on this. My camera is 12 volt, hence the reason why I went down the route of removing the diode. I found a thread on rcgroups but I'm buggered if I can find it again, but this picture from the 'Files' section of the Hobbyking site for the MinimOSD shows what I did with regard removing the diode.

(http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uploads/1055128464X312706X51.jpg)

The reason why I removed my diode was for a few reasons, my camera is 12 volt, and the replacement board already had the ground and 5 volt pads soldered together. and I found (and subsequently lost) a thread on rcgroups that explained why this was done.

A common theme with these boards though, is people frying them all the time.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 05, 2014, 07:06:38 AM
I found a possible solution to my OSD flickering problem. Apparently 12 volt cameras can cause the OSD text to flicker due to the video signal voltage being too high. Putting a 150ohm resistor in line with the video in signal fixes it. Read reply # 38. It's obscure stuff like this with this OSD that can do your head in.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1858197&page=3 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1858197&page=3)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 05, 2014, 07:31:39 AM
This is cheap. $134.72 including EMS shipping

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/APM2-6-ArduPilot-UAV-Flight-Controller-APM-2-6-6M-GPS-w-Compass-Power-Module-915Mhz/2021736205.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/APM2-6-ArduPilot-UAV-Flight-Controller-APM-2-6-6M-GPS-w-Compass-Power-Module-915Mhz/2021736205.html)

I'm getting another one for my Reptile-Aphid frame. I've been toying with getting a Pixhawk, but they are almost twice the cost, putting one of these on the Xmas wish list.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 05, 2014, 05:07:15 PM
Well I have launched into FPV and possibly OSD ( If I can fit it all together !! ) ..
Ordered a mini camera on Thursday 28th arrived today .. Pretty good I thought - Boscam 2.4Ghz Tx/Rx , 4.5" screen and mushroom antennae should be here early next week .. Then after that a Remzibi OSD and GPS if I can add them in to the spaghetti wiring loom --
I hope I have all the correct bits that will go together ... ...  Time will tell eh !!
Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 05, 2014, 05:10:27 PM
Yep, this OSD stuff is proving to be fun, getting it work that is.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: gec on September 06, 2014, 02:47:45 AM
Price difference is the radio controller I think my one is included ..


Possibly mate, weve bought a few RTF planes and the transmitters are usually rubbish, if you are looking for a good digital 2.4 ghz radio you cant go past this one from HobbyKing, Its a 6 channel radio, it has a 10 model memory and the receivers are cheap.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__54822__OrangeRx_T_SIX_2_4GHz_DSM2_Compatible_6CH_Transmitter_w_10_Model_Memory_and_3_Pos_Switch_Mode_2_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__54822__OrangeRx_T_SIX_2_4GHz_DSM2_Compatible_6CH_Transmitter_w_10_Model_Memory_and_3_Pos_Switch_Mode_2_.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anythingq
Post by: yogi on September 06, 2014, 07:04:14 PM
Anyone after a gopro but can't afford $500 .... Ebay a sj4000 cam ;) less than $100 with all of the fitting mounts !!!! And you can use it for fpv and aerial photography.

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on September 08, 2014, 09:52:58 AM
Can I ask you guys please stop talking about flying????
I am starting looking at it again, just to start simple with a Horizon Hobby Super Cub RTF.
Maybe..................

Not sure where you can fly these things in Perth.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 08, 2014, 09:59:45 AM
Flying fixed wing can be problematic with regard places you can take-off and land and the space you need to fly the model.

Maybe a model club may be an option.

http://www.maaa.asn.au/state-associations (http://www.maaa.asn.au/state-associations)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on September 08, 2014, 10:10:21 AM
Ok managed to dodge the weather yesterday and get out with the multi and get some vid (first one so be gentle LOL)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVed33cyedw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVed33cyedw)

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 08, 2014, 10:18:31 AM
All I can say is wow, wow, wow.

The obvious advantage of FPV over LOS.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on September 08, 2014, 10:30:19 AM
Great glad you liked it I will have another one from yesterdays adventure later in the week (when i get time to edit it).
It was actually quite windy (being at the beach) and therefore the quad was fighting it but I think the footage hides the majority of it well!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on September 08, 2014, 11:16:57 AM
Flying fixed wing can be problematic with regard places you can take-off and land and the space you need to fly the model.

Maybe a model club may be an option.

http://www.maaa.asn.au/state-associations (http://www.maaa.asn.au/state-associations)


True but I think with only the use of one arm a simple 3 channel plane might work better then a 4 channel helicopter.
I might be wrong.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on September 08, 2014, 02:04:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 08, 2014, 04:34:04 PM
XD9 Pro can do up to 24 channels .... how do you do this .... bind multiple 8 channel receivers ? Also what modules is everyone using on them .... my RX’s are all spectrum currently are they as good ?

Thanks
yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 08, 2014, 04:44:23 PM
XD9 Pro can do up to 24 channels .... how do you do this .... bind multiple 8 channel receivers ? Also what modules is everyone using on them .... mine RX’s are all spectrum currently are they as good ?

Thanks
yogi

Can't help with 24 channels. I wouldn't know what to do with that many. Setup a servo as an bum scratcher I suppose as I would be too busy pushing buttons, flicking switches. Now that'd be good. But think it would probably use some sort of s.bus system.

I use the OrangeRX DSM2/DSMX compatible transmitter module on my Turnigy 9XR configured for PWM and OrangeRX 9 channel receiver with satellite. The receivers are compatible with spectrum, and a lot cheaper. The receiver is capable of being used for s.bus configurations as well. But I haven't used this functionality.

This is from the Futaba site giving you an idea of what s.bus systems are capable of.
(http://www.futaba-rc.com/sbus/sbus-diagram-lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 09, 2014, 01:53:24 PM
Thanks for the info ... I think I might get the FrSky Taranis if I go this way ... costs more but has built in 2.4Ghz and can also do JR style external TX modules.

yogi

PS(there are a couple of ways to do the 8+ channels with this radio)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on September 09, 2014, 09:09:14 PM
Here is another video from last Sunday can see some gimble tweaks I need to make yet

http://youtu.be/3_L0e4PTm4g (http://youtu.be/3_L0e4PTm4g)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 14, 2014, 06:37:41 PM
Added a bit of bling. A 4x3watt LED module. It is really bright so you can see the LED's in broad daylight.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on September 14, 2014, 06:43:19 PM
Very bright :-)


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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 14, 2014, 06:46:12 PM
Yeah I hope it wont affect the camera, hence I put it as far away as I can. Green tells me I have GPS lock, then it flashes red when arming and disarming, and also when the battery is running low.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on September 15, 2014, 09:55:34 AM
Marschy, I see a lot of static pictures.
When are you going to fly them?  ;D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 15, 2014, 09:56:37 AM
Hoping to have some video after the long weekend.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 15, 2014, 11:39:18 AM
What FPV goggles is everyone using ? I am looking at the new SkyZone V2 .... seem like the best bang for buck.

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 15, 2014, 11:40:38 AM
What FPV goggles is everyone using ? I am looking at the new SkyZone V2 .... seem like the best bang for buck.

yogi
Drop Crispy a PM, that's what he is using, I don't recommend the Fatshark Teleporters, the resolution is crap.

I received a HIEE 7 inch monitor from Aliexpress, so I'm going to see if I prefer goggles or screen. I will be giving this a go on the long weekend in October.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 15, 2014, 03:16:40 PM
I am not sure about the goggles myself .... nearly have all the bits to get a screen based FPV system going. But since I am going to be ordering a new Taranis radio as I need more channels for my 2 axis gimbal to do what I want .... thought I might get some goggles too :D

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 15, 2014, 05:50:53 PM
I am not sure about the goggles myself .... nearly have all the bits to get a screen based FPV system going. But since I am going to be ordering a new Taranis radio as I need more channels for my 2 axis gimbal to do what I want .... thought I might get some goggles too :D

yogi
The Taranis is very popular, but you don't necessarily have to have more than 8 channels to control your gimbal. The flight control board can sometimes control the gimbal by allowing channel 7 and 8 to control pitch and roll. The APM is a good example. But for auto tuning and other functions, yes, you can run out of channels. Having said that, if I thought about things a bit more rather than jump in with both feet, I would have bought the Taranis. How could you argue with a 16+ channel radio for under $200

The resolution of most of the googles at best seems to be 640x480, which you can get with the small 7 inch monitors. The advantage of the googles seems to be the 'immersion' factor which can make some people feel sick, sort of like motion sickness. I reckon this is going to happen to me. I was in my sons room watching him play the new version of Wolfenstein which is a first person shooter game, I felt sick watching that on a 50 inch plasma, so the chances of me feeling sick with goggles is probably going to be pretty high.

I'm planning on planting my bum in a comfy chair with my camera tripod setup next to me and seeing how both the monitor and goggles go. I'm in the process of hooking up a video recorder to the monitor, which means I have to pull the back off and hook up the receiver to the DVR and then the DVR back into the monitor. I didn't think about this before (jumped in with both feet again) and I should have bought a simple monitor and separate receiver and DVR, it would have made life a lot easier.

What frame and flight control board are you getting?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 15, 2014, 06:10:45 PM
I'm currently trying to get 2.4 Ghz FPV up and running on the Phantom --

I found this little piece of kit and am trying to work out how to mount the camera -- If I figure that out them I'll buy this

and see how it goes... LOL..

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-4GHz-Wireless-Digital-Camera-2-4GHz-Wireless-Digital-DVR-Free-shipping/495597153.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-4GHz-Wireless-Digital-Camera-2-4GHz-Wireless-Digital-DVR-Free-shipping/495597153.html)

Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 16, 2014, 08:45:20 AM
Marschy ..... yeah I need 6 channels for my 350 QX standard. Then when I upgrade to the v2 code I will need to be able to mix 2 x 3 way switches to get all of the modes and then at least 1 extra channel for the tilt function on my brushless gimbal, plus I want to put this on a variable pot for a bit more control. None of which my current controller has got .... lol ..... So the Taranis will give me up to 32 channels with full telemetry. Bring on head tracking and full manual gimbal control ;D

I am using an SJCAM / SJ4000 gopro clone for my video recording and FPV. If I find the need I will swap to a video switch setup on one of my extra channels and a dedicated FPV camera / gimbal camera. Maybe when I go a 3 axis gimbal.

Mandrake .... most people find they get to much interference running their video and controls on the same band. the 5.8ghz stuff is cheap and easy to setup for video.

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 16, 2014, 08:51:20 AM
Hello Yogi, nice quad. I think Mandrake has previously indicated that his setup uses a 5.8 gHz transmitter for the quad, this sorta limits his options with the FPV camera.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 16, 2014, 08:59:40 AM
Yup - Its the only thing wrong with the Phantom FC40 model !! If it ran guidance on 2.4 I would not have such a big problem .. Mind you I see goggles are now coming out that are switchable on both frequency bands 5.8 and 2.4 .. Trying to find a Black Pearl style monitor with an inbuilt 2.4 receiver - getting closer ... M
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 16, 2014, 09:01:58 AM
I am using an SJCAM / SJ4000 gopro clone for my video recording and FPV. If I find the need I will swap to a video switch setup on one of my extra channels and a dedicated FPV camera / gimbal camera. Maybe when I go a 3 axis gimbal.
You may need a HDMI to AV convertor for the SJ4000 camera to work with FPV transmitter. Also check the dimensions of the camera, otherwise you will need to possibly limit your gimbal to a generic gimbal that fits any gopro knockoff. E.g. the Tarot T-2D gimbal I have is designed for the gopro 3+ and I had to hunt around for a gopro knockoff that would fit because it has an aluminium frame that limits what you can put in it. This led me to the GoTop knockoff of the gopro. But as you are probably finding, the closer the knockoffs resemble a gopro, the closer the price resembles a gopro.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 16, 2014, 09:21:19 AM
Yeah the new SJCAM has upgraded board and firmwear .... so does video out on the USB I have just tested it and have it installed on my gimbal and it all appears to work so all good. The only potential issue with the gimbal were trimming the velcro strap so I could still use the slot on the bottom arm when the USB cable was in for FPV and the weight difference between the gopro and the SJCAM ... the weight doesn't seem to be an issue with my initial tests but have downloaded the tuning tool for the gimbal control board in case it becomes one. Some of the cheap ebay gimbals have a high pitched wine when running and with the tuning tool you can easily get rid of it.

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 16, 2014, 09:23:34 AM
I haven't worked out how to 'trim' the gimbal yet. Mine is the same as Mandrakes. I need to adjust the 'roll' as it is tilted ever so slightly and not sitting level.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 16, 2014, 09:28:18 AM
Yup - Its the only thing wrong with the Phantom FC40 model !! If it ran guidance on 2.4 I would not have such a big problem .. Mind you I see goggles are now coming out that are switchable on both frequency bands 5.8 and 2.4 .. Trying to find a Black Pearl style monitor with an inbuilt 2.4 receiver - getting closer ... M

OK I see .... 5.8 for the controls !!!! Guess you could always use the video in on a 5.8 goggle set Mandrake ?

Yeah the 350 QX is good right out of the box and with the v2 upgrade is even better. It still has short comings like using DSM2 / DSMX technology and limited control board interfaces and is apparently only a park flyer (but I can bind 2 receivers  to the transmitter and solve most of the expandability issues) but stability / power and feature wise it's right up there.

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 16, 2014, 09:32:01 AM
I haven't worked out how to 'trim' the gimbal yet. Mine is the same as Mandrakes. I need to adjust the 'roll' as it is tilted ever so slightly and not sitting level.


Which gimbal do you guys have ? Does your control board have a button ? Most do and these buttons are programed to do different features ie on mine if I press it 3 times I can manually set the defualt gimbal position by simply holding the gimbal in the position I want it in after pressing the button. It then holds that position.

(http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_316196_8.jpg)
You can see the button here ... bottom right and it's red.

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 16, 2014, 09:38:58 AM
This is my gimbal, which looks pretty much the same as Mandrakes, I also have the Tarot T-2D, but that one works beautifully.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Details-about-Black-DJI-Phantom-Brushless-Gimbal-Cam-Mount-with-Motor-BGC3-1-Controller/1581189044.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Details-about-Black-DJI-Phantom-Brushless-Gimbal-Cam-Mount-with-Motor-BGC3-1-Controller/1581189044.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 16, 2014, 09:51:56 AM
I am 99.9% sure it has a button ..... you will also be able to do what I have done and hook it up to your PC via USB and tune it .... do a google on "AlexMos BGC V2.3B5 2-Axis Simple Brushless Gimbal" heaps of info and youtube goodness for you.

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 16, 2014, 10:02:39 AM
I can adjust mine through the Naza m lite program..think I set it to 20 at rest .the pitch is set to 10 which is looking down about 5 degrees from level..I have both pitch and roll cables fitted..
You should be able to balance it by moving the camera along the gimbal arm.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 16, 2014, 11:00:08 AM
Not sure about the NAZA but you can do things like set the travel limit of the gimbal and tune the motor speed and sensativity ect ect ect .... very powerful for the price :D

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 16, 2014, 11:02:11 AM
Got given a link by Goodluckbuy for the AlexMos software, wasn't worth a cracker, so I'll try the search and see how I go.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 16, 2014, 11:04:06 AM
Naza is the same . I limit my pitch to straight down and forward 5 degrees down . Works for me . Just wish my camera would do FPV .. But it doesn't so I have to add another camera for FPV.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 16, 2014, 11:13:15 AM
Mandrake ... can the NAZA do RTH, and waypoint flights ?

Marschy ... let me know if you can't get it going as I will find the vid on youtube I got all the info from on installing the driver and where to get the software. You have to download the right bundle version from the download section for you controller version .... as I found out.

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 16, 2014, 11:16:59 AM
RTH for sure .. both Naza M and Naza M Lite have GPS options .
I think that Naza M only can do waypoint stuff .. Not something I have looked into at this stage but people are doing waypoint stuff with Phantom 2 , vision and vision + ..M
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 16, 2014, 11:24:00 AM
Naza M V2 with the bluetooth connection can do waypoint, but I think the software is only iOS, not Android. I'll find out soon enough, I have all the kit, just need to put it together.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 16, 2014, 11:26:47 AM
Theres an Android ground station app for the vision and vision +..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 16, 2014, 07:34:59 PM
The new 7 inch monitor is now hacked so the receiver can be sent through a DVR recorder. I have found that a 3S 2200mAh doesn't last too long, so I've put one of my 4S 4000mAh batteries on with a 12 volt UBEC.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49144-1/FPV+7+inch+Screen+Setup.JPG)

Unlike a lot of the monitors that I've seen on Aliexpress, this one appears to be purpose built for FPV. The circuit boards are all made for the job, so I had to get the multimeter out to determine the video signal and the power supply for the receiver. I did away with the long cable that came with the monitor and put some RCA jacks on the back for video 1 and 2 input, and a cable hangs out the bottom which comes from the receiver that just plugs into one of the video inputs.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49142-1/7+inch+Screen+Hack.JPG)

All ready to go for a flight with FPV now and I can record the OSD information on screen, so if I ditch the quad, the recorded GPS coords will let me know where it is.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 16, 2014, 07:57:02 PM
Looking good .... 8)

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 18, 2014, 09:36:06 AM
Hello Yogi,

Is this the button you are referring to? If so how do you adjust the gimbal using it? I'd love to get this sorted out.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49190-1/Camera+gimbal.jpg)

Cheers, Marshy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 18, 2014, 09:44:39 AM
Just hook up switch on power .
 Make sure the bird is sitting level then press that button .. its a reset switch of sorts...;
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 18, 2014, 09:59:58 AM
OK I'm going to fess up, see the 6 pin outlet to the right of the arrow. I was measuring the height of the camera after powering it up with a steel ruler. You guessed it, I touched the pins and got smoke, so I'm now waiting for a new controller, LOL, gotta update my fried components list.

So, does that button change the pitch and roll?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 18, 2014, 10:02:40 AM
It sets the camera and arm level.Pitch is still controlled by the radio ( I think !!) LOL
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 18, 2014, 10:04:19 AM
Excellent, hopefully the new controller should be here mid next week before the long weekend. Lesson learnt, I'm going to put hot glue on any exposed pins from now on.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 18, 2014, 10:05:12 AM
Get a plastic ruler too LOL
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 18, 2014, 10:06:02 AM
That what my missus said.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 18, 2014, 10:06:43 AM
She's clever too .. like me .. LOL
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 18, 2014, 11:25:44 AM
Here you go .... down load the version you have from this page.

http://www.basecamelectronics.com/downloads/8bit/ (http://www.basecamelectronics.com/downloads/8bit/)

It will also have the drive for your USB interface when you plug in your gimbal. From there you can upload your config and see what the button has been progrmammed to do and also change it if you want to.

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 18, 2014, 11:41:28 AM
Yup - Its the only thing wrong with the Phantom FC40 model !! If it ran guidance on 2.4 I would not have such a big problem .. Mind you I see goggles are now coming out that are switchable on both frequency bands 5.8 and 2.4 .. Trying to find a Black Pearl style monitor with an inbuilt 2.4 receiver - getting closer ... M


You can get Goggles :D

http://www.fpvmodel.com/boscam-gs920-2-4g-5-8g-wireless-fpv-aio-goggles_g750.html (http://www.fpvmodel.com/boscam-gs920-2-4g-5-8g-wireless-fpv-aio-goggles_g750.html)

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 18, 2014, 01:05:43 PM
Cheers Yogi, as soon as I get the replacement control board i'll give the software a go.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 18, 2014, 03:13:57 PM
Be vewwy vewwy careful !!
I had a lot of trouble with the 8 bit / 32 bit software to match the board .. In the end I gave up and used the Naza assistant software ..
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on September 18, 2014, 04:26:35 PM
Took the bird out on the weekend to have a ..........birds eye look at a camping spot.
I noticed some noise on the Gopro but not sure where it came from. It is the first time I have seen it.
Might have to check the cabling.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 19, 2014, 07:34:43 AM
Be vewwy vewwy careful !!
I had a lot of trouble with the 8 bit / 32 bit software to match the board .. In the end I gave up and used the Naza assistant software ..
Steve
Hello Mandrake

I haven't worked out how to use the flight control board software to adjust the gimbal yet. If the link provided by yogi becomes an issue I'll have to connect the gimbal to the fc board and give that a go.

Does that require a row of header pins to be soldered onto the gimbal controller to connect to the fc board?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 19, 2014, 07:46:44 AM
On the Naza its 2 single pin cables .. Pitch and Roll .. to the 2 top left pins on the multi connector on the gimbal board ..( Far left top is Pitch next one across is roll .) On the Naza its a 3 pin vertical setup and the top 2 are used .. can't remember if its M1 , M2 or something else ... If you need to know I can open it up and take a photo .. But its a pain to get to  easily !!  Steve

Edit - F1 socket top pin is Gimbal roll , F2 socket top pin is Gimbal Pitch .. ( Forgot I had the manual !! )  Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on September 19, 2014, 09:08:30 AM
On the Naza its 2 single pin cables .. Pitch and Roll .. to the 2 top left pins on the multi connector on the gimbal board ..( Far left top is Pitch next one across is roll .) On the Naza its a 3 pin vertical setup and the top 2 are used .. can't remember if its M1 , M2 or something else ... If you need to know I can open it up and take a photo .. But its a pain to get to  easily !!  Steve

Edit - F1 socket top pin is Gimbal roll , F2 socket top pin is Gimbal Pitch .. ( Forgot I had the manual !! )  Mandrake
Righto, so I'm assuming, but want to check, the pins on the gimbal control board you are referring to are the ones in the picture below next to the arrow. I can see one of them is marked 'Roll' and I'll check tonight when I get home as I assume the other side has the pitch pin.

Are these the ones you connect to the flight control board?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on September 19, 2014, 09:34:11 AM
Yup !! The 3 pin sockets at the back are motor control for pitch and roll .. The top pins on the 6 pin socket on the side are Pitch and Roll - You may need a 3 wire connecting cable for all 3 vertical pins --  but the Naza only needs one for control as the battery negative is common for the main control board and the gimbal control board .. Mandrake

Still too f@@@ ing windy down here .. I'm waiting on the 2.4Ghz FPV unit , OSD and GPS unit and a nice big back pack to carry all this stuff ... Might have to invest in a donkey to cart it all around !!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on September 28, 2014, 05:44:13 PM
Well finally got my gimbal hooked up on the bottom of the 350 QX with GoPro quick release mount. Have my 7 inch monitor mounted to my TX ..... hooked up all the cables for FPV and it actually works ..... lol .... Now I just need to do the V2 software upgrade to the 350 QX once my new battery tray and 3000mAh batteries turn up next week. Have done all the GPS relocation modes the 350 QX AP has so should be interference free :cheers:

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on September 28, 2014, 06:07:39 PM
I had time to put the bird in the sky last week while on holidays.
I am yet to do a video of it but I will do this week I hope.
I had to do a temp repair on the beach as my gimbal stopped working but after a short delay it was up and running again.
I have made an order with Hobby king for some replacement parts and a new battery. Didn't break anything just reconfiguring.
When I get the video done I shall post up.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 01, 2014, 09:53:21 PM
Well I am stoked ( I think ?? ) I bought this and it arrived today and although it has not been up in the air yet it works really well .. I won't be able to have OSD on it but the FPV
will be good - It even has a X2 zoom option on the mini-screen / recorder -
http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6240034397.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6240034397.html)
Normally if I walk through my house I lose contact with these types of 2.4 Ghz things - I had all 5 bars right through to the garden ..
There seems to be a little trick to switching on the camera which I am having a small amount of difficulty with but i'm sure I'll get it ok soon and then when
the wind decides to P off I'll fly it ...
I also am looking at this for my next toy now .. Project 2015 it will be ...
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__29600__Hobbyking_X650F_Glass_Fiber_Quadcopter_Frame_550mm.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__29600__Hobbyking_X650F_Glass_Fiber_Quadcopter_Frame_550mm.html)
Seems pretty good - Opinions ??
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 01, 2014, 10:37:05 PM
G'day Steve,

I had a good look at both this frame, and many others when I settled on the Alien 560 quad from Hobbyking.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__61221__HobbyKing_174_Alien_560_Folding_Quad_Copter_Carbon_Fiber_Version_Kit_AU_Warehouse_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__61221__HobbyKing_174_Alien_560_Folding_Quad_Copter_Carbon_Fiber_Version_Kit_AU_Warehouse_.html)

Now, I haven't put this frame together completely yet, but the noticeable difference between the 560 frame and my F450 frame was the real estate that you have for putting everything on the frame.

Having said that I would choose the following frame over the Hobbyking Alien 560 anyday. Very similar but the crab landing gear is apparently not a 'brittle' as the Hobbyking Alien.

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/atg-tt-x4-12-reptile-4-axis-quadcopter-folding-frame-kit-with-tall-landing-skid-gear-gopro-ptz.html (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/atg-tt-x4-12-reptile-4-axis-quadcopter-folding-frame-kit-with-tall-landing-skid-gear-gopro-ptz.html)

The amount of space on these frames influenced me so much that the next frame I bought was the Reptile-Aphid from Goodluckbuy.

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/reptile-aphid-x450-fpv-quadcopter-aircraft-frame-kit-with-700tvl-camera-lens.html (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/reptile-aphid-x450-fpv-quadcopter-aircraft-frame-kit-with-700tvl-camera-lens.html)

Now this frame is a ripper. It comes with a built in 700tvl FPV camera on a single axis tilt servo that I have hooked up to the flight control board (APM 2.6) and channel 8 on my radio (trimpot). It has allowed all my electronic hardware to be mounted within the frame in an extremely tidy manner.

Have a look at some of the frames on Goodluckbuy. Search for 'quadcopter frame'. They have some great frames that have varying amounts of real estate to mount all of the electrical components and many come with gimbals. A bit more expensive than Hobbyking, but a far greater choice of frame types and sizes. The built in FPV camera is a brilliant idea, and one that I will look for options for first in the future. The reason being that the in-built FPV cameras seem to fit like a glove and because this is typically what we are trying to do, why stuff around doing it yourself.

Here are a couple of pictures on my new Reptile-Aphid. Note, I've changed the arms because the frame comes with black acrylic (I think) arms which appear quite brittle, so I swapped them over to red/white nylon arms.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49256-1/New+Reptile-Aphid.JPG)

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49258-1/PDB+Reptile-Aphid.JPG)

Short of a bit of velcro for holding the battery in place, this frame is now ready to fly. I'm hoping to get some video this weekend. (And yes, the yellow legs are tent pegs from our ensuite tent, never used the bloody thing that often anyway. And who showers when they go bush anyway?)

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 01, 2014, 10:56:14 PM
Hello Steve,

Here is another well priced frame with built in single axis gimbal for a go-pro style camera. This is single axis gimbal similar to the gimbal you and I are already familiar with. But importantly, the frame has lots of room, and the arms allow stuff to be mounted to them if you need to get your FPV camera transmitter as far away from your GPS receiver if need be, or even like in my photos from the previous post above, for mounting the telemetry radio.

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/reptile550-v2-quadcopter-frame-kit-and-1-axis-gopro-3-brushless-gimbal-for-fpv.html (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/reptile550-v2-quadcopter-frame-kit-and-1-axis-gopro-3-brushless-gimbal-for-fpv.html)

or for a few bucks more, a two axis gimbal frame.

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/locust-quadcopter-frame-and-2-axis-gopro-3-aluminum-gimbal-bgc-3-0-mos-controller-for-fpv.html (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/locust-quadcopter-frame-and-2-axis-gopro-3-aluminum-gimbal-bgc-3-0-mos-controller-for-fpv.html)

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on October 02, 2014, 01:14:40 PM
Something like one of these would be cool ;D

http://www.fpvguy.com/2014/05/walkera-goes-pro-the-tali-h500-hexa-copter.html (http://www.fpvguy.com/2014/05/walkera-goes-pro-the-tali-h500-hexa-copter.html)

https://www.airdog.com/products (https://www.airdog.com/products)

Do any of the cheap MAV type boards have a follow me and circle type function ?

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 02, 2014, 01:19:48 PM
Was looking good for a while - Those battery units $150 each - ouch !! Price on the complete kit hurts a bit too .. But nice VERY nice - Love th controller

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 02, 2014, 01:22:53 PM
Do any of the cheap MAV type boards have a follow me and circle type function ?

Yep APM 2.6
http://copter.ardupilot.com/wiki/flight-modes/ (http://copter.ardupilot.com/wiki/flight-modes/)
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/APM2-6-ArduPilot-UAV-Flight-Controller-APM-2-6-6M-GPS-w-Compass-Power-Module-915Mhz/2021736205.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/APM2-6-ArduPilot-UAV-Flight-Controller-APM-2-6-6M-GPS-w-Compass-Power-Module-915Mhz/2021736205.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on October 02, 2014, 01:41:49 PM
There are 14 flight modes available in APM:Copter

 ?Stabilize
 ?Alt Hold
 ?Loiter (& OF_loiter)
 ?RTL (Return-to-Launch)
 ?Auto
 ?Acro
 ?Sport
 ?Drift
 ?Guided
 ?Circle
 ?Position
 ?Land
 ?Follow Me
 ?Simple and Super Simple

That's a few modes ;D Does it do OSD and telematry ?

Thanks
yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 02, 2014, 01:46:57 PM
That's a few modes ;D Does it do OSD and telematry ?

Yes to both.
MinimOSD (http://copter.ardupilot.com/wiki/common-minim-osd-quick-installation-guide/)
Telemetry (http://copter.ardupilot.com/wiki/common-using-the-3dr-radio-for-telemetry-with-apm-and-px4/)

For the money spent and features, they are a bloody great board.

Look at the upper white arm on the photo above, you can see the antenna for the 915MHz telemetry radio.

Also check out the videos for the flight modes. Drift caught my attention, basically flying in mode 2 using only pitch and roll stick and throttle only needed if altitude needs adjusting.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 05, 2014, 01:51:28 PM
Here's what the Phantom looks like now...
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/04/9bb7548f8d78294bf52a80930a81e602.jpg)

The camera on the leg is my FPV unit. It doesn't have OSD . Monitor at left is velcroed to the radio ..Flew it yesterday and needed a clear LOS for reception will be trying a different antenna to see if that makes a difference...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 05, 2014, 02:20:53 PM
No footage this weekend. Lots of stuff broken. 4 props, landing gear, one motor boom. My first F450 is behaving very erratically, reckon it needs recalibrating. The second F450 has demonstrated my poorly designed undercarriage which snapped the motor boom right near the motor. New undercarriage should be arriving soon so I'll get that sorted and tune the quads before I go on my next outing rather than trying to tune them when I've got an audience.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on October 05, 2014, 04:07:23 PM
I was all prepared to fly this weekend on our camping trip however the wind came up and I really didn't feel like flying between the trees with wind.
On the up side I tried out the Solar Panel I got from Mandrake. Seemed to do the job keeping the battery charged so I can then charge my quads batteries in the field without worrying about the fridge stopping
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on October 06, 2014, 08:52:36 PM
Looking good guys .... Finally found a mob that have a Taranis Plus in stock and worked up enough courage to ask the wife permission .... Web site is now undergoing maintenance .... Lol

Got the 2.4 DSM module ordered from HobbyKing using DHL .... Anyone used them before and got an idea how long I will have to wait ?

Looks like the Taranis telemetry receiver can interface with a MAV board for all of the telemetry stuff on the radio and OSD ..... My next project will be a fully functioning MAV enhanced hexocopter ..... Full autonomy :cheers: But for now I just need to get the gimbal and 350 QX working with my new radio once it turns up ;D

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 06, 2014, 08:59:16 PM
I ordered some Hobbyking stuff last Thursday got it tonight by DHL... M
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on October 06, 2014, 09:26:21 PM
Not as long as I thought then .... Thanks

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 07, 2014, 06:44:24 AM
Looks like the Taranis telemetry receiver can interface with a MAV board for all of the telemetry stuff on the radio and OSD
If you need any help with the setup of the OSD board, shoot me or CBRK a message. I'm sure he would be willing to help as well. May save you blowing up a board or two. They are very temperamental.
My last one worked first attempt and even though it is wired up to my camera and video transmitter exactly the same as the first one, and the same board, the second board wouldn't allow the video to work with the ground wire connected to the video in pins, I had to disconnect the ground for it to work. They say they are all the same, but there appears to be subtle differences, which can make setting them up very frustrating.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on October 07, 2014, 09:50:37 AM
Thanks Marschy will keep it in mind :cup:

Anyone ordered stuff from BoltRC.com ?

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 10, 2014, 02:57:00 PM
Was trying to wire up OSD and transmitter etc this arvo and let the smoke out ... apparently my 12 volt camera was actually 5 volt !!  THATS IT !!! No more wasting money -
LOS for me !! LOL ...
Next bird will be a Naza M plug and play job !! ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 10, 2014, 03:03:56 PM
Bugger. I know how you feel. My fried components list is getting longer all the time.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Markoutback on October 10, 2014, 08:13:35 PM
Hi all have just purchased my first quad a Phantom 2 with FPV looking forward to flying it this weekend. Will keep you posted
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 10, 2014, 08:30:30 PM
Cool, this aerial photography gig is getting very popular.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on October 10, 2014, 08:39:55 PM
I did some mods to my F450 this week.
I have removed the second battery that powered the Gimbal and have replaces it with a 12v ubec.
It is now under 2kg by about 5g.
I will have to do some more tests with flight times as the VTx is also on the main battery.
If I can still get about 9 min I will be happy.
I also replaced the standard GPS mast with a folding one so the quad should fit in the car better.
I think I will remove another part which is doubling up on anti vibration for the camera as the dampeners are all failing but my gimbal has anti vibration built in.
Have to suck it and see.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on October 12, 2014, 12:26:44 AM
something I found on a hobby shop site
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/1519407_753121264776271_3984517751392801460_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on October 16, 2014, 11:58:22 AM
Well I've taken the plunge as well and ordered a heap of gear to scratch build a tricopter. I'm going to build the tricopter v3 from David Windeståls site rcexplorer.com using pretty much his exact parts list. Being a novice I'm trying to stick with something reasonably simple so it will just be the basic tricopter with no cameras/fpv gear...... yet!

I pulled the trigger on a couple of orders from Hobbyking last night - the main order is from the Australian warehouse but I've had to order the radio gear from China. I went with a Turnigy 9xr and OrangeRx Tx module and receiver. Hopefully the radio will be ok for a beginner and still allow me to grow into it.

The radio gear from China is on back order and the frame is coming from Sweden and is also on back order for another 2 or 3 weeks so I'll be at the door waiting for the delivery man every day for a while.

Can't wait!!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 16, 2014, 12:13:31 PM
Cool Spartan,

What flight control board are you going to fly with?

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 16, 2014, 08:39:11 PM
The 3DRobitics guys have been busy again.

http://youtu.be/_yOCTgVqmeQ (http://youtu.be/_yOCTgVqmeQ)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Markoutback on October 18, 2014, 08:32:46 PM
Been out flying my Phantom taking off from the deck and flying down to check on the cows has been great seeing it all in real time back to screen mounted on controller.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on October 19, 2014, 12:51:13 PM
What screen are you using.
I am considering the boscam one.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 19, 2014, 04:00:24 PM
What screen are you using.
I am considering the boscam one.
Regards
Crispy

Be careful with which screen with built in receiver you buy. The Boscam doesn't always have the same channels as the fatshark/immersionRC transmitters for VTx.

Have a look at the new Quanum 7 inch monitor at Hobbyking. You can connect a DVR to record your FPV camera from the ground without having to modify it, and has 32 channels dual diversity in-built receiver, so no matter what transmitter you get in the future, your receiver will work.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__64660__Quanum_7inch_Auto_Scan_32CH_5_8GHz_Diversity_Monitor_With_Built_In_Battery.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__64660__Quanum_7inch_Auto_Scan_32CH_5_8GHz_Diversity_Monitor_With_Built_In_Battery.html)

Bit better than the one I bought.  I had to modify mine to connect a DVR but it at least has 32 channels.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arriving-5-8ghz-32channels-LCD-wireless-receiver-7-inch-quadcopter-fpv-monitor/1730659499.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arriving-5-8ghz-32channels-LCD-wireless-receiver-7-inch-quadcopter-fpv-monitor/1730659499.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 19, 2014, 07:43:37 PM
Be careful with which screen with built in receiver you buy. The Boscam doesn't always have the same channels as the fatshark/immersionRC transmitters for VTx.

Have a look at the new Quanum 7 inch monitor at Hobbyking. You can connect a DVR to record your FPV camera from the ground without having to modify it, and has 32 channels dual diversity in-built receiver, so no matter what transmitter you get in the future, your receiver will work.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__64660__Quanum_7inch_Auto_Scan_32CH_5_8GHz_Diversity_Monitor_With_Built_In_Battery.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__64660__Quanum_7inch_Auto_Scan_32CH_5_8GHz_Diversity_Monitor_With_Built_In_Battery.html)

Bit better than the one I bought.  I had to modify mine to connect a DVR but it at least has 32 channels.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arriving-5-8ghz-32channels-LCD-wireless-receiver-7-inch-quadcopter-fpv-monitor/1730659499.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arriving-5-8ghz-32channels-LCD-wireless-receiver-7-inch-quadcopter-fpv-monitor/1730659499.html)


Hi Marschy and Crisp Image,

I looked into this when I was getting my screen.  I use a 7inch RC800 DVR screen so that I can capture screen data.  It runs off a 1.5c 3s tx lipo and seems to go for around an hour so off the battery which is good.

It's okay as long as you get a full 32 channel receiver, the issue is when you get an 8 channel receiver it may not cover the 8 channels that FatShark use.  They break it up into 4 frames of 8 channels, the Fatshark and the Boscam (or skyzone as I'm seeing everything as now) use different frames.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 19, 2014, 07:51:15 PM
Hi guys,

I'm back!!!

I was busy getting ready for Fraser, then I was away for 2 weeks on Fraser (did over 1000km) and then stayed up in Queensland for a few more and then when I got back it has been hectic (between work, family, SES and being sick I've had no spare time).

I finally got my tricopter up and flying today on the APM board.  No fly away this time, very nice board and I put in loiter mode and it just worked nicely.  Stabilise had some drift but it was a little windy where I was.  I'm uploading some video footage to youtube, it's not very good but I wasnt strapping my $500 gopro to something that was going to fly away....

I also now make sure I do a read WP from the APM before flying, it apparently updates the home location, so this happens everytime now.

Now to play with the setting to get a more fluid feel, it was a bit too jerky.  I'll try the simple settings first and then move into the Advanced PID settings if needed (hoping not).

Now I trust it again, I'll strap the cheap action cam back on and put the non recording FPV camera on (much better quality).

I also picked up a bixler 2 which I've assembled and waiting to maiden (with an APM 2.6 board in it).  Also have FPV gear on it and telemetry (I pickup a 2nd set for this - I hate having to swap stuff around).  I think I need a bigger area to test it out, thinking I should have gone smaller.....

I'll post an message when my upload to youtube finishes.

Hi Marshy,

How'd you go with the sonar?  I'm almost ready to order and thought I'd see how you went first :-)

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 19, 2014, 08:31:18 PM
Gday Chris,

Looking forward to seeing some of your video.

Haven't done much of late. I broke the under carriage when I came into to land too hard with both quads on the October long weekend, I have been waiting for parts since for my quad that's setup for aerial photography, which is also the one with the sonar on it. So nothing of note to report here yet.

I've got my second quad going again, but I've been slack this weekend. I ended up tidying up my computer/work room where I put them all together, as the missus was getting a bit sick of it looking too much like a workshop and not so much a computer room.

Interested in the 'read WP' you refer to you, so much to learn with the APM.

I still have my Tek Sumo flying wing I am yet to maiden. I've got a head strap for my AEE Magicam now, so hoping to do this shortly as well and get some footage.

On another note, I've put in my Xmas order in for all the bits and pieces I need to put my Alien 560 into operation with the DJI Naza M V2 flight controller. It's going to be a fun time this Xmas, not so sure the missus is going to be happy though. The October long weekend she banged on at me to do something with her rather than the quads, so I will have to be careful to keep her happy as well.

I know what Crispy meant now when he said they attract an audience. A bloke at Port Hughes came wandering over as soon as I started flying my quad. He crashed his Walkera 350 the day before I arrived when the battery died at about 70 feet high and it fell on the road (ouch). When I broke the undercarriage he wandered off and returned with his quad and showed me the damage to his quad. He commented that he was going to look into a quad that was less expensive to repair, something along the lines of the F450. That was my thinking right from the word go. It is proving to be less expensive to repair, but you still have to wait for parts to arrive if you are doing it on the cheap from China.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on October 20, 2014, 07:24:36 AM
The boscam screen I am looking at has a 32ch receiver and covers the immersion frequencies that I use.  It also gets a good rap and has a built in battery.  Not sure about the quantum.  I need to look into it a bit further.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 20, 2014, 07:36:40 AM
Hello Crispy,

Then perhaps the only thing to consider is, but only if required, how easy is it to hook up a DVR?

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on October 20, 2014, 01:34:33 PM
Hi Crisp ... went through the same when I was choosing my screen. Got the same screen with no RX for less than $40 and put a 200w RX on it for $20. Not as neat but upgradable ect. Now to fine tune my gimbal.

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on October 20, 2014, 09:00:55 PM
New toy arrived today :-)

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/20/02d6100baa3bea2c7fee5015cde16da2.jpg)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Nomad on October 20, 2014, 09:05:04 PM
Quick question to everyone here.......

What is the cheapest flying thing I can get my hands on that will work to chase off a Common Koel.......

Just so you no what I am talking about have a listen...........

A Common Koel and Its Annoying Bird Call / Sound - A Black Bird with Distinctive Red Eyes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoBlkaGJk4s#ws)

I have thought about an air rifle and slingshot but theres to many branches and houses around so figure a noisy helicopter or something might do the trick.

Thoughts......
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 20, 2014, 09:31:12 PM
A cardboard cutout of a Falcon from a pest remover would do the trick - just place it up on a branch near where the koel "sings".. Mandrake 
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Nomad on October 21, 2014, 06:39:04 AM
A cardboard cutout of a Falcon from a pest remover would do the trick - just place it up on a branch near where the koel "sings".. Mandrake


Yep tired that, even downloaded some falcon calls and played them through the stereo......worked for about 2 days. Its time to get aggresive unfortunately.

This things starts at 3.30am.....
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 21, 2014, 06:49:23 AM
New toy arrived today :-)
Same as mine
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on October 21, 2014, 05:35:40 PM
Well I pitched the boscam today.  Now have to wait for the post to arrive.  When I get it I'll post my thoughts.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 21, 2014, 05:40:29 PM
The quanum is pretty similar by the look of it. So the boscam will be just as good I reckon. Pretty good features on both. Are you not happy with your goggles Crispy?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 21, 2014, 05:50:34 PM
Goggles are illegal aren't they unless you have a watcher ??
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 21, 2014, 05:57:13 PM
Yep, law says you've got to have line of sight
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on October 21, 2014, 06:19:10 PM
Goggles are good but to play the correct way we should be Los. Now even using a screen is not playing right but when I get to the limit of my vision I can't tell which way the quad is pointing so a quick reference to the screen will let me know how to bring it home again. It will also include the osd information so I don't have to keep asking how much battery I have used. It will also make it easier to show the crowd that will show up what we are looking at.
Always looking at improving the way I do stuff.
Work is looking at using quads for a bit of thermal imaging subject to the laws of course.
Regards
Crispy


Sent using fat fingers on the iPad thingy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 21, 2014, 07:03:57 PM
Which of the two OSDs are you going to get Crispy? iOSD mini or the full blown iOSD. Haven't used my iOSD mini yet, so I can't comment on it yet.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on October 21, 2014, 09:38:24 PM
Yeah I am looking for a super light cheap and basic OSD for my mini quad racer
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 22, 2014, 05:37:35 AM
I bought Remzibi .. Still waiting for monitor to hook it all up.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 22, 2014, 06:32:08 AM
Yeah I am looking for a super light cheap and basic OSD for my mini quad racer

Hello Hogbert,

There is apparently different firmware for the MinimOSD that can run on the Naze 32. This could be an option. Found this on FPVtalk forum.

http://www.fpvtalk.com/community/threads/naze32-by-timecop.57/page-3 (http://www.fpvtalk.com/community/threads/naze32-by-timecop.57/page-3)

If you go down this route, make sure you buy a MinimOSD with the pins broken out like this. (notice the row of solder pads under the Atmel chip.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/On-Screen-Display-OSD-Board-MinimOSD-APM-Telemetry-to-APM-1-and-APM-2-5-2/2030314952.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/On-Screen-Display-OSD-Board-MinimOSD-APM-Telemetry-to-APM-1-and-APM-2-5-2/2030314952.html)

Not like this. These boards require excellent soldering skills to solder connections directly to the Atmel chip and are a PITA when you get it wrong and leave you with basically no option other than throw it in the bin.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CRIUS-MAVLink-OSD-Compatible-With-Original-MinimOSD-ATMEGA328P-Microcontroller-For-RC-FPV-Flight-Control-Part/1931192828.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CRIUS-MAVLink-OSD-Compatible-With-Original-MinimOSD-ATMEGA328P-Microcontroller-For-RC-FPV-Flight-Control-Part/1931192828.html)

Hello Mandrake, the Ramzibi gets good reviews, it's fun putting all this stuff together, I love it.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 22, 2014, 06:58:08 AM
Not sure about the Remzibi yet .. There's a lot of talk about setting it up software-wise that may prove too difficult ! LOL . I'm kinda hoping it will work as soon as fired up ..

I'll know later this week maybe as I am waiting on a new 12 volt ( really really 12V not 5V in disguise ) camera and a small monitor .. Lots of smoke goes out of 5V camera

when 12V is applied !! LOL .. Great hobby but ... Just wish this wind would stop ..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on October 22, 2014, 08:45:43 AM
I use the Immersion osd which plugs in line with the battery and the to the vtx. No set up really required just plug and play. It has its own gps to show you which way is home and how far it is. It also gives a height relative to where you take off from.
A search on youtube will show how it works.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 22, 2014, 09:45:25 AM
Yeah I am looking for a super light cheap and basic OSD for my mini quad racer
Hello Hogbert,
What racing quad are you flying?
Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on October 22, 2014, 04:26:55 PM
Many thanks for the osd info :-)

I am Running the mini h blackout


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Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 22, 2014, 04:53:10 PM
Another question for you Hogbert.

With the Naze32, are you running the native firmware or MultiWii and do you have it setup with GPS or not?

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Hogbert_1999 on October 22, 2014, 09:39:16 PM
Hey Marschy,

I am running whatever Baseflight uses as that what I programmed it with.  No GPS on Naze for Racer did not see the need.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 23, 2014, 07:31:57 PM
Look what I found. A sonar for the APM for about $15.00 US.

http://www.thanksbuyer.com/cjmcu-891-ultrasonic-module-testing-distance-module-range-finder-for-apm2-5-apm2-52-apm2-6-flight-controller-27600 (http://www.thanksbuyer.com/cjmcu-891-ultrasonic-module-testing-distance-module-range-finder-for-apm2-5-apm2-52-apm2-6-flight-controller-27600)

This is the same sonar that works on the Multiwii that I got working, but the firmware for Multiwii APM 3.1 doesn't support sonar. This one has an additional board added to a standard HC-SR04 ultrasonic module.

Look at the back of the sonar from this picture on Goodluckbuy. Apparently made for the APM. Hmmmmm, maybe worth a go for the price.

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/cjmcu-89-apm2-ultrasonic-module-plug-and-play.html (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/cjmcu-89-apm2-ultrasonic-module-plug-and-play.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 23, 2014, 08:49:56 PM
Received my very cheap 5" monitor today ...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/311012571268?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/311012571268?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
Now all I need is the camera to turn up and I can start testing again - Hopefully without blowing smoke !! LOL
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 24, 2014, 01:06:37 PM
Hi,

Here is a quick test flight I did last weekend, battery was running low at this point.  This is the video capture from the ground with OSD output.  I think I need to adjust the focus, it seems way out from previous flights....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjbbrsA3kXc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjbbrsA3kXc)

The inflight mircoSD card didnt capture all my flight for some reason, sigh.....

I plan to take her up to 30-50m over the weekend and test out some auto missions, just have to switch out this camera and put on the other two (FPV and Go Pro clone), so I get better footage.   I'll also give the autotune a go, so I'll let you know how that pans out......

Fingers crossed the weather holds out....

I finally weighed my Tricopter, with no battery (but everything else) it came to exactly 1kg, so with battery (3s 2200mah) it will be about 1.2kg and if I put on the other camera on I should still be well under 1.5kg, very happy with that.  I was getting flight times of around 12-15 mins on the KK2 board which was even lighter, so I'm hoping I can get 12 mins of actual flight time out of this config.

I'm starting to trust it again, once I'm really happy with it I'll strap the go pro on it

Hi Marschy,

I just ordered one of those sonar's so I'll test it out, now the wait for it to arrive.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 24, 2014, 01:12:14 PM
Received my very cheap 5" monitor today ...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/311012571268?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/311012571268?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
Now all I need is the camera to turn up and I can start testing again - Hopefully without blowing smoke !! LOL


That is cheap.  I know the feeling I've burnt quite a few items, but the good news is I'm letting less of that magic smoke out of things these days :-)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 24, 2014, 01:40:26 PM
Fantastic Chris,

How accurate are you finding the OSD battery monitor? When I connect the battery to my quad, at first it seems reasonably accurate, then when I arm it and get off the ground, it jumps up to 40+ volts! Not sure what's going on there.

Great find for the sonar hey? If it works that is. I am going to order one as well. For under $20 bucks delivered worth a shot.

Have a look see at this as well, an optical flow for under $30 bucks. There is a good article on the Arducopter web site about how to install it. Good for holding horizontal position in loiter mode.

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/cjmcu-110-optical-flow-sensor-for-apm2-52-apm2-6-flight-controller.html (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/cjmcu-110-optical-flow-sensor-for-apm2-52-apm2-6-flight-controller.html)

I don't know what the CJMCU stands for but there seems to be a number of products prefixed with CJMCU that are all Arduino products, some for the APM, some not.

Cheers, Marschy

Edit: CJMCU is a Chinese company. Obviously one that makes quadcopter and arduino products.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 24, 2014, 01:54:40 PM
I'll also give the autotune a go, so I'll let you know how that pans out......
Hello Chris,
I've got mine setup for Trim save, but it's not working as well as I was hoping. But then I really do need to trim my quad on a nice still morning with bugger all or no wind. Definitely let me know how you get on with autotune.

Was your flight in stabilize mode only? If it was, then looking at the shadow of your tri-copter on the ground, it was holding its position bloody nicely.

Just something else I found as well, set the stall speed to zero on the OSD configurator, that disables the STALL warning that I noticed you had coming up on your OSD.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on October 24, 2014, 02:03:26 PM
Cool Spartan,

What flight control board are you going to fly with?

Cheers, Marschy

Hey Marschy,

I went with the standard KK2.1.5 board not the mini one. There seems to be heaps of info and videos on youtube etc so I should be able to figure out setting it up and tuning it.

The HK order from Australia was waiting for me yesterday when I got home from work (I work away a week at a time) along with my new soldering station so I've already started changing battery plugs and doing a few little jobs like that while I wait for the rest of the gear to turn up.

The HK order from China says it's shipped  which I'm glad about as I was a bit worried about how long the backorders might take to turn up.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 24, 2014, 02:12:13 PM
Received my very cheap 5" monitor today ...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/311012571268?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/311012571268?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
Now all I need is the camera to turn up and I can start testing again - Hopefully without blowing smoke !! LOL

I watched a video on Flitetest where they recommend 5 volt cameras because they reckon that once the 11.1 lipo starts running low, the 12 volt cameras can play up. But I guess you have to weigh that up with possibly hooking your 5 volt camera up directly to a 11.1 volt lipo and getting smoke. I've done this with a receiver, but not a camera yet, touch wood.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 24, 2014, 02:22:07 PM
Hey Marschy,

I went with the standard KK2.1.5 board not the mini one. There seems to be heaps of info and videos on youtube etc so I should be able to figure out setting it up and tuning it.

The HK order from Australia was waiting for me yesterday when I got home from work (I work away a week at a time) along with my new soldering station so I've already started changing battery plugs and doing a few little jobs like that while I wait for the rest of the gear to turn up.

The HK order from China says it's shipped  which I'm glad about as I was a bit worried about how long the backorders might take to turn up.
G'day Spartan,

My replacement undercarriage turned up yesterday from HK Australia as well, I paid the cheapest postage, so I was actually surprised it arrived so quickly, about a week and a half. I'm yet to have one problem with Hobbyking postage after 25+ orders. Whereas Goodluckbuy sent me one less undercarriage leg instead of 4, diddled me on postage, which to their credit they refunded. I don't order directly from them on their website now. I only order from Goodluckbuy via Aliexpress as Aliexpress seems to be pretty strict with their buyer protection policy. If the seller stuffs up, you get a refund and if they send the wrong item, you don't have to return it to get a refund.

Read Crispy's comment to me really early in this thread, I am going to echo what he said. Once you start on the KK it won't be long before you start looking at a flight controller that supports GPS.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 24, 2014, 05:17:43 PM
Read Crispy's comment to me really early in this thread, I am going to echo what he said. Once you start on the KK it won't be long before you start looking at a flight controller that supports GPS.

Hi Spartan,

I agree with Marschy, I had my KK2 board for about 2-3 months before I switched over to the APM board.  I give you a few months before you want to switch.

I'm thinking of building a small quad with my old kk2 board, its a good board for learning on too - it was very plug and play.  APM took a bit more to get right.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 24, 2014, 05:19:06 PM
I watched a video on Flitetest where they recommend 5 volt cameras because they reckon that once the 11.1 lipo starts running low, the 12 volt cameras can play up. But I guess you have to weigh that up with possibly hooking your 5 volt camera up directly to a 11.1 volt lipo and getting smoke. I've done this with a receiver, but not a camera yet, touch wood.

Must be the cameras they've tested....  I've found that most of the 12V cameras are 7V - 15V, so it should work even at 7V, in theory.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 24, 2014, 05:34:33 PM
Fantastic Chris,

How accurate are you finding the OSD battery monitor? When I connect the battery to my quad, at first it seems reasonably accurate, then when I arm it and get off the ground, it jumps up to 40+ volts! Not sure what's going on there.

Great find for the sonar hey? If it works that is. I am going to order one as well. For under $20 bucks delivered worth a shot.

Have a look see at this as well, an optical flow for under $30 bucks. There is a good article on the Arducopter web site about how to install it. Good for holding horizontal position in loiter mode.

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/cjmcu-110-optical-flow-sensor-for-apm2-52-apm2-6-flight-controller.html (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/cjmcu-110-optical-flow-sensor-for-apm2-52-apm2-6-flight-controller.html)

I don't know what the CJMCU stands for but there seems to be a number of products prefixed with CJMCU that are all Arduino products, some for the APM, some not.

Cheers, Marschy

Edit: CJMCU is a Chinese company. Obviously one that makes quadcopter and arduino products.


Hi Marschy,

The battery readings are pretty good, the voltage reading drops a bit as the amps go up as expected.  No jumps for me, I'd recommend checking the power module setup?  There seems to be a few settings for it, but it seems to be an auto detect thing.  Hate to say it but it might be a dodgy power module.  Do you have a spare to try?  I'm kind of happy I bought the bixler 2 and put an APM in it, I now have spares to test with!  Have you had a look at the dataflash logs or telemetry logs, wondering what they report?  If you can tie it a consistent action I'd raise it on diydrones and see if one of the devs can have a look.

I've been looking at the optical flow technology, I'm thinking in a years time it will be a must have item.  In the past 2 years it has jumped along in leaps and bounds.   I'll wait to see how the sonar sensor goes first.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 24, 2014, 05:54:16 PM
Hello Chris,
I've got mine setup for Trim save, but it's not working as well as I was hoping. But then I really do need to trim my quad on a nice still morning with bugger all or no wind. Definitely let me know how you get on with autotune.

Was your flight in stabilize mode only? If it was, then looking at the shadow of your tri-copter on the ground, it was holding its position bloody nicely.

Just something else I found as well, set the stall speed to zero on the OSD configurator, that disables the STALL warning that I noticed you had coming up on your OSD.

Cheers, Marschy

Hi,

I was in loiter mode, so I'm pretty happy it just stayed in place.  It's a good bit of kit.  In stabilise mode it had a bit of drift, slightly backwards, so I'll redo the accel calibration.  I'm going to reflash my OSD as the mode doesnt appear to work.....  Thinking of loading MinimOSD-extra so that I can see the amps used, I dont like the % thing....  I use both 2200mah and 5000mah batteries.  Means updating the board each time I change battery sizes....

I havent needed to trim it at all, although I could counter the slight drift rearwards if I did, but I figure it would be better to fix the problem first :-)

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 24, 2014, 08:24:58 PM
Just ordered one of those sonars, and an optical flow sensor. Snail mail. Thought to myself, it's getting closer to Xmas everyday. Better do it now, or it may not get here before my time off at Xmas.

It will be interesting to see if the sonar needs a filter like the LV-EZ4.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on October 24, 2014, 09:51:10 PM
Hi Spartan,

I agree with Marschy, I had my KK2 board for about 2-3 months before I switched over to the APM board.  I give you a few months before you want to switch.

I'm thinking of building a small quad with my old kk2 board, its a good board for learning on too - it was very plug and play.  APM took a bit more to get right.

Regards,

Chris

Thanks for the advice guys.

I went with the KK for a few reasons I guess - it's cheap, there's plenty of info on the internet about them and I figured it would be a good board to learn with. I think if I had the security of GPS I would be too likely to flick it into altitude hold mode and cruise around or something relying on the board to do the hard work for me - rather than actually learning how to fly properly.

There's so many options out there that it's too overwhelming. I think if I can build this tri and get it flying then I'll be doing pretty well!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 24, 2014, 10:39:15 PM
Thanks for the advice guys.

I went with the KK for a few reasons I guess - it's cheap, there's plenty of info on the internet about them and I figured it would be a good board to learn with. I think if I had the security of GPS I would be too likely to flick it into altitude hold mode and cruise around or something relying on the board to do the hard work for me - rather than actually learning how to fly properly.

There's so many options out there that it's too overwhelming. I think if I can build this tri and get it flying then I'll be doing pretty well!

Hi Spartan,

I had the same thoughts too when I started, I started with the KK2 board and it does a good job particularly at the price.  I agree its a great board to learn on and if you feel you want more (which I reckon you will) you can upgrade the flight control board.  My tricopter is the same as when I had the KK2 board, I just swapped out the KK2 for the APM and made a easy removable tray so I can swap back to it if I want a 'fun fly'.

My tri is based upon the V2.5 version, I use wood for landing gear and I have broken more than one or two with some hard landings - well mostly it's been the cable ties.  Luckily the hard landings seem to be behind me now.

You'll do fine assembling the tricopter.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 25, 2014, 01:25:06 PM
My local Auspost contractor works on Saturdays, gotta love him. He delivered a bag of goodies from AliExpress/Goodluckbuy this morning. I now have most of the bits and pieces to finish off my Alien 560 quadcopter. I still have to get a 12 volt BEC to run the camera and gimbal.

Part of the shipment was spare parts, new arms for the F450, spare landing gear, and some new Tarot motor mounts for the Alien 560 where the plate for the motor is mounted on rubber grommets which provides some vibration isolation between the motors and the frame. They add 40mm in length each arm, so the wheel base for the quad will be 640mm rather than 560mm.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49326-1/Tarot+Motor+Mount.JPG)

I'm going to run this quad on Turnigy NTM Propdrive 2830 800kv motors for now. They can run at 4S with a 12 inch prop, but in line with my wish to make this into a very nice quad, I'm going to look at some of the new Multistar Elite 4006-740KV in the new year, then the NTM's will become spares for my 2 F450's. This rig is going to be 4S from the start. I'll post up some pictures as I progress with the build.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on October 25, 2014, 01:30:16 PM
I don't know if its been mentioned anywhere in the last 10941203948 posts, but is there an out of the box one you can buy and fly without having to rebuild it and upgrade it everytime you use it? as that doesn't appeal to me at all.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 25, 2014, 01:37:22 PM
Phantom 2 or Walkera QR350
http://www.hobbywow.com/en-dji-phantom-2-gps-smart-drone-quadcopter-with-h3-3d-camera-gimbal-rtf-2-4ghz-p237025.htm (http://www.hobbywow.com/en-dji-phantom-2-gps-smart-drone-quadcopter-with-h3-3d-camera-gimbal-rtf-2-4ghz-p237025.htm)
http://www.hobbywow.com/en-walkera-qr-x350-with-fpv-f7-quadcopter-rtf-combo-gopro-camera-mount-ptz-shock-absorbers-p236144.htm?source=ProductListAds&id=56128534817&currency=aud&country=AU&gclid=Cj0KEQjw8aeiBRCknPXk-u_V_4gBEiQAD2-mgcHFGz9CqXE6BL-3Tq_wTSrAo_82dbvxOo9bXBXPUjkaAkAo8P8HAQ (http://www.hobbywow.com/en-walkera-qr-x350-with-fpv-f7-quadcopter-rtf-combo-gopro-camera-mount-ptz-shock-absorbers-p236144.htm?source=ProductListAds&id=56128534817&currency=aud&country=AU&gclid=Cj0KEQjw8aeiBRCknPXk-u_V_4gBEiQAD2-mgcHFGz9CqXE6BL-3Tq_wTSrAo_82dbvxOo9bXBXPUjkaAkAo8P8HAQ)
Then all you need is a GoPro style camera !!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: edz on October 25, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
Theres plenty Bird ... $$ range from $300 ish to several thousands $$ .. just depends on what the wallet limit is..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on October 25, 2014, 01:43:22 PM
Phantom 2 or Walkera QR350
Then all you need is a GoPro style camera !!
Is that price correct, or did they use their phone number by accident...
(http://www.birdmansworld.com/dog2.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on October 25, 2014, 02:52:48 PM
Being such a nice day and the cook is in the kitchen......cooking and master CI is out the back mowing the lawns I said to my self "self it is time to play" so off t my shed with the trusty scratch built quad with the KK2.1 FC and fitted u the spare camera and VTx. Charged the batteries and had a play. Now I have no way to video the output from this camera.
I did have to ditch it in the neighbours yard when I could not quite get the control correct. I jumped the fence and got it back.
What I have had problems with is the stability. I am using Stevis 1.5 beginner FW and in Self level mode when ever I do a movement I have to compensate other movements as well. Like when I go forward the quad will not go straight forward but on a diagonal. And when I start from a hover and yaw the quad moves forward instead of just rotating. No I do expect a little drift but I feel this is too much.
Does any one have a solution for this without replacing the FC with another?
I also gave it a quick spray paint so I could see the front from the rear. Something I have been lacking in from when I built it.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 25, 2014, 04:03:28 PM
G'day Crispy, upgrade the firmware to 1.6.

1.5 had issues, mainly with tri-copters I believe, but it wouldn't hurt to use some of the later firmware. Latest FW is about 1.12 now I think from memory.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 25, 2014, 04:10:26 PM
Is that price correct, or did they use their phone number by accident...
(http://www.birdmansworld.com/dog2.jpg)

This one is exceptional value, as you get a radio with it.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__55106__Quanum_Nova_FPV_GPS_Waypoint_QuadCopter_Mode_2_Ready_to_Fly_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__55106__Quanum_Nova_FPV_GPS_Waypoint_QuadCopter_Mode_2_Ready_to_Fly_.html)

Have a look at these quads at Hobbyking, lots to choose from for varying budgets.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__592__501__Multi_Rotors_Parts-RTF_PNF_ARF.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__592__501__Multi_Rotors_Parts-RTF_PNF_ARF.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Markoutback on October 26, 2014, 08:34:30 PM
Went flying my quad tonight decide to chase a heard of kangaroos off the padock worked a treat until I hit the fence oh well off tomorrow to buy spares to fix gimble mount
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 26, 2014, 08:37:51 PM
Went flying my quad tonight decide to chase a heard of kangaroos off the padock worked a treat until I hit the fence oh well off tomorrow to buy spares to fix gimble mount
Repairing my quad as we speak, just got some new arms. Used the wrong loctite, red instead of blue. What a PITA.

Did you get it on video?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Tim - Stratford on October 26, 2014, 10:24:10 PM
Saw an add for this one, Iris 3d - it has a 'follow me' feature which is very impressive.

http://www.gizmag.com/3d-robotics-iris-plus-follow-me-drone/33747/ (http://www.gizmag.com/3d-robotics-iris-plus-follow-me-drone/33747/)


Tim
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 27, 2014, 12:02:16 AM
Hi,

Well the 3rd test flight happened today, good weather although by the time I was ready I had a bit of a wind.

Got 30 mins of flying into today.  According to APM's logs I got it to 25m high, still not as high as I've had it on the kk2 board and could have happily gone much higher but I was still primarily using LOS.

My first take off was aborted as I had changed the battery tray to a thinner but longer one and I had mounted the cheap action cam, well the weight was too far forward, so I detached it to make it easier.  Once it was off the CG was much better and it took off without major issues.  The new tray does add alot of wobble to the camera footage, so I'll need to rethink it.

I tested out the auto tune option, I was using my notebook and couldnt see the telemetry data (my wife who was sitting next to it was busy with my daugther) and I didn't see any movement like I'd expect and so I cancelled it after 20-30 seconds.  On review of the log I noticed it had entered the mode, I just needed to leave it longer.  My advice is using the APM autotune feature give it time.

I'll try it again tomorrow before work if I get enough time.

I also did a bit of alt hold and loitering.  With Alt hold I was very confident to throw the tri around and it worked really well, got it upto around 25km/h before I had to turn to avoid people, sigh.....  Coordinated turns were easy at speed with alt hold.

I did learn an a good lesson and that was when coming off alt hold to stabilise remember to check your throttle (or only change when it's stable and not moving or changing alt), mine was down to 20% as I was descending when I came off alt hold and into stabilise, all I can say is I was lucky it was at 6m when it happened, any less and I reckon I would have hit the ground (missed it by 30cm at most).

I tried RTL as I got a low battery warning and all seemed good, it climbed up to 15m and moved to the right spot and then it started to descend.  I thought it was descending really slowly (I had forgotten to I had set the descent rate to 30cm/s as I thought the default would be too fast), well at 1m off the ground my rear motor experienced an outage and it tail speared into the ground.  Only damage was the GPS mount, needed a fix at home so my day was over.....

I have some footage which I'll upload to my youtube channel during the week.

Still to update my minimOSD, not seeing which mode I'm in is annoying.  I have to use the telemetry feed to know for sure.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on October 27, 2014, 01:28:17 AM
Just a quick question.

How much heat can the components in an ESC take? I've been extending wires in the Afro ESCs that I ordered and my soldering skills leave a bit to be desired so I'm worried that I might overheat something.

I've mainly had trouble desoldering and resoldering the servo leads. I'm not so worried about the power leads and motor leads as the pads are a bit further away from the other components on the board.

I didn't order any extra ESCs when I ordered the parts to build my tri - should I have?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 27, 2014, 07:22:42 AM
Hello Spartan,

What you need is an iron that will heat up the solder joint on the 14 AWG wire quickly, otherwise just slowly heating the joint transfers a lot of heat to the surrounding components and the 14 AWG wire acts like a heatsink.

I use a 80 watt iron for this. It's hotter than my soldering station. You can get them rather cheaply from Jaycar ($22).

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 27, 2014, 10:07:24 AM
Just a quick question.

How much heat can the components in an ESC take? I've been extending wires in the Afro ESCs that I ordered and my soldering skills leave a bit to be desired so I'm worried that I might overheat something.

I've mainly had trouble desoldering and resoldering the servo leads. I'm not so worried about the power leads and motor leads as the pads are a bit further away from the other components on the board.

I didn't order any extra ESCs when I ordered the parts to build my tri - should I have?

Hi Spartan,

I agree with Marschy, a quick solder will reduce the risk to the components.  Just be careful though you need both the surfaces to be up to temp otherwise you'll end up with dry joint.  It's a balancing act.

I use a soldering station and turn it up a bit higher than what I normally solder with.

Just a question are you using lead free solder?  If so then swap back to lead solder.  Lead free solder needs much higher temps to work with and I hate the stuff.

My recommendation is that you always buy at least 1 spare, so if you need 3 ESC's get 4 as you never know when one will die on you.  On motors I have a full set of replacement motors (in hindsight just 1 spare will be fine).  Oh and if you havent already get at a dozen spare props.  Although now I'm on the cheap plastic ones (i was using carbon fibre mixed ones), I've only broken 1 or 2 since I switched back to the plastic ones.

Get a few spare tail servo's if you haven't already, I killed one in a hard landing in the early days.  I'm still on my 2nd but I have 2 spares.  Use metal geared ones if you can as the plastic ones die quicker.

Regards,

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on October 27, 2014, 07:38:32 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys.

I had a 70 or 80 watt iron which was good for doing automotive stuff but it was one of those cheap ones and the tip crapped out on it really fast. I just bought a soldering station from Dick Smith in the hope that it would be better for this sort of thing and last a bit longer - it's this one: http://www.dicksmith.com.au/tools-hobbyist/temperature-controlled-soldering-station-dsau-t2200 (http://www.dicksmith.com.au/tools-hobbyist/temperature-controlled-soldering-station-dsau-t2200)
 Maybe I'll just have to go back to a cheap high powered one for doing occasional heavier stuff.

Using normal old 60/40 solder.

I seem to be having trouble getting both the pad and the wire heated up at the same time when I'm doing the servo wires. If I put the wire on the pad and then the iron on top of that I just end up mashing the wire and it bridges across to the next pad and I have to desolder it, cut it off, retin and start again.

Sounds like I had better order another ESC and motor then. I ordered some spare props but I'll have to go back and see which ones I ordered as I had heaps of trouble finding the right sized props from HK Australia. I only ordered black too and should have gotten coloured ones in hindsight especially considering the whole tri is black! Any recommendations on cheap plastic coloured 9x5 props in Australia or another size that would suit this motor for a 4s setup? http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25081__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_30S_900kv_270w_short_shaft_version_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25081__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_30S_900kv_270w_short_shaft_version_.html)

I've got one of the servos recommended on RCexplorer so I'm hoping it's up to the job! I guess I'll order a spare one of those too. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=46215 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=46215)

Thanks for your help fellas.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on October 27, 2014, 07:52:25 PM
Something else I just thought of: Will I need a separate BEC to power the tilt servo or will the built in BECs in the ESCs do the job?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 28, 2014, 01:19:35 AM
Something else I just thought of: Will I need a separate BEC to power the tilt servo or will the built in BECs in the ESCs do the job?

Hi Spartan,

From memory you are using the KK2 FC board, you can use the BEC from the ESC, it is plugged into the KK2 board and this in turn will power the servo.  As long as all three wires are plugged in there should be no issues.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on October 28, 2014, 01:37:00 AM
Ok cool. I wasn't sure if the BECs would have enough grunt to power a servo - they supply .5amp according to the specs.

From what I understand the M1 plug powers the KK board and it's "separate" from the others.

M2-M8 are linked together so that's where I'll run my tail servo from.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 28, 2014, 06:37:58 AM
Any recommendations on cheap plastic coloured 9x5 props in Australia or another size that would suit this motor for a 4s setup[/url]

Hello Spartan,

I use these.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25824__10x4_5_SF_Props_Black_CW_2pc_CCW_2pc_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25824__10x4_5_SF_Props_Black_CW_2pc_CCW_2pc_.html)

Black is out of stock at the moment, but there are heaps of other colours. If you order them from the Australian warehouse you will typically get them in under 2 weeks.

Order heaps, some of the are really badly balanced, others don't track well, but that shouldn't be a big problem while you are learning how to fly the quad as you going to go through quite a few. 10 inch props are a good general purpose prop, but may cause your ESC's to run warm to hot on 4S.

I've got 12 now of the 2830 800kv NTM propdrives. These motors are rated to 6S. One has a bit of a sticky bearing and does not spin up as well as the others. Doing a bit of reading, other people have had similar issues with bearings, but apparently taking them out and giving them a soak in sewing machine oil sorts it out. These motors apparently run fine on 4S with 10 inch props. These motors have HEAPS of power and torque. Don't forget to get the prop adapter kit.

Cheers, Marschy

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 28, 2014, 09:19:38 AM
The battery readings are pretty good, the voltage reading drops a bit as the amps go up as expected.  No jumps for me, I'd recommend checking the power module setup?  There seems to be a few settings for it, but it seems to be an auto detect thing.  Hate to say it but it might be a dodgy power module.  Do you have a spare to try?
I think your right, did a bit of research and it appears as though the cheap power modules can give dodgy voltage readings, and can blow up flight control boards. Time to invest in a couple of decent modules I think.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 28, 2014, 08:03:33 PM
I think your right, did a bit of research and it appears as though the cheap power modules can give dodgy voltage readings, and can blow up flight control boards. Time to invest in a couple of decent modules I think.

Hmmm best to replace it I reckon....  Killing an APM is expensive, touch wood I've not done that, a $20 MinimOSD is okay but a $75 board hits the pocket.

Grrrr, couldnt get to the oval on Monday morning and then Monday a windstorm hits and then I'm out chainsawing till 2am in the morning.  That scratched Tuesday morning, so now I'm trying for Wednesday morning.

I reviewed my video from the go pro which was on a tripod and it got the tail motor stopping.  I thought I was around 2m when it happened.  Nope was closer to 6m from the video.  I was lucky to get away with just the GPS mast connection breaking.  I'll spend some time on the weekend or maybe one night this week to make a couple of clips.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 28, 2014, 10:40:09 PM
The cheap modules have far less components. It's not only the flight control board you have to worry about, it's also the quad as well. If it fails out of the sky, more than just the flight controller will be damaged. This first picture shows the dodgy power module that came with the flight control board I bought, the second shows the good power module which is similar to the Hobbyking modules I have just ordered.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on October 29, 2014, 12:01:51 AM
The postman dropped off the rest of my HK order today - 2 weeks from China is pretty good I think.

I spent half the day mucking around with the radio gear and trying to calibrate ESCs etc but I think I really need to wait until the frame turns up so that the motors are actually bolted down and the wiring has some sort of organization in the chaos.

Bad news is the props I ordered are wrong and the credit card bill also came today - ouch!!

Didn't stop me from firing off another $100 order to HK for more props and other spares tonight but!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 29, 2014, 06:39:45 AM
I just bought one of these - I'll let you know the outcome - Pretty sure this will not happen at this price but its Paypal secure so I thought I would try .. LOL Mandrake
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Walkera-TALI-H500-RTF-FPV-Hexrcopter-G-3D-Gimbal-iLook-Cam-DEVO-F12E-GIFT-/201201591414? (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Walkera-TALI-H500-RTF-FPV-Hexrcopter-G-3D-Gimbal-iLook-Cam-DEVO-F12E-GIFT-/201201591414?)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: GGV8Cruza on October 29, 2014, 07:48:05 AM
I just bought one of these - I'll let you know the outcome - Pretty sure this will not happen at this price but its Paypal secure so I thought I would try .. LOL Mandrake
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Walkera-TALI-H500-RTF-FPV-Hexrcopter-G-3D-Gimbal-iLook-Cam-DEVO-F12E-GIFT-/201201591414? (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Walkera-TALI-H500-RTF-FPV-Hexrcopter-G-3D-Gimbal-iLook-Cam-DEVO-F12E-GIFT-/201201591414?)


I have tried for one as well and my payment is on hold, bet its a return payment for sure

GG
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 29, 2014, 07:51:31 AM
$39 bucks can't be right
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 29, 2014, 08:10:11 AM
I just bought one of these - I'll let you know the outcome - Pretty sure this will not happen at this price but its Paypal secure so I thought I would try .. LOL Mandrake
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Walkera-TALI-H500-RTF-FPV-Hexrcopter-G-3D-Gimbal-iLook-Cam-DEVO-F12E-GIFT-/201201591414? (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Walkera-TALI-H500-RTF-FPV-Hexrcopter-G-3D-Gimbal-iLook-Cam-DEVO-F12E-GIFT-/201201591414?)


LOL, how do you keep finding these????

That is cheap, the batteries and charger alone would come to that price by themselves......  I wonder about the quality of the batteries, I'd expect them to have a short life.

Good luck with the purchase :-)

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 29, 2014, 08:12:35 AM
The cheap modules have far less components. It's not only the flight control board you have to worry about, it's also the quad as well. If it fails out of the sky, more than just the flight controller will be damaged. This first picture shows the dodgy power module that came with the flight control board I bought, the second shows the good power module which is similar to the Hobbyking modules I have just ordered.

Yep, if it goes while you flying at 30+km/h and 20m high, it could go very, very bad.

I'm very happy with both of my HK version of the power module.  They seem to be fairly accurate.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on October 29, 2014, 08:49:26 AM
Just did it too. Lets see.
Payment is currently unclaimed
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on October 29, 2014, 09:19:06 AM
Ok now for a roll call.
I have read most of the posts in this thread.  What fc is everyone using. I want to upgrade the kk2.1 but am not sure what to go for. I want something that is not too hard to setup but also I don't want another naza.
Gps capability might be nice.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on October 29, 2014, 10:32:19 AM
Listing removed.  Going to reverse the payment.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 29, 2014, 10:36:34 AM
Mine says this ---
"We had to remove this listing from the site and you're not required to complete the transaction. If you've already sent payment, the sale should process as normal and you don't have anything to worry about. If you have any questions about delivery, please check tracking or contact your seller. If you run into any trouble along the way eBay is here to help. Please visit the Resolution Centre to help resolve any problems you may encounter."..

So maybe I still get a Hal500 ?? LOL

Edit - Just got the one from Ebay - Not getting it .. Bugger !! LOL

Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 29, 2014, 10:41:17 AM
Forgot this little gem -- Someone on another site posted it up - So I bought one - seems like a great idea ...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171513089844?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171513089844?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
Makes removing batteries a whole lot easier ... Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 29, 2014, 11:39:14 AM
Same seller

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Action-Sport-Cam-Camera-Waterproof-Full-HD-1080p-Video-Photo-Helmetcam-SJ4000-DV/390957314130?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122130056%26meid%3Dc579a1bc817042548a313a7d16d2ccb6%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D20140122130056%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D171515318343 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Action-Sport-Cam-Camera-Waterproof-Full-HD-1080p-Video-Photo-Helmetcam-SJ4000-DV/390957314130?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122130056%26meid%3Dc579a1bc817042548a313a7d16d2ccb6%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D20140122130056%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D171515318343)

Fishy me thinks
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 29, 2014, 11:44:34 AM
Same seller

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Action-Sport-Cam-Camera-Waterproof-Full-HD-1080p-Video-Photo-Helmetcam-SJ4000-DV/390957314130?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122130056%26meid%3Dc579a1bc817042548a313a7d16d2ccb6%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D20140122130056%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D171515318343 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Action-Sport-Cam-Camera-Waterproof-Full-HD-1080p-Video-Photo-Helmetcam-SJ4000-DV/390957314130?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122130056%26meid%3Dc579a1bc817042548a313a7d16d2ccb6%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D20140122130056%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D171515318343)

Fishy me thinks

A Go pro for $20 !! Bargain !!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 29, 2014, 01:45:40 PM
Ok now for a roll call.
I have read most of the posts in this thread.  What fc is everyone using. I want to upgrade the kk2.1 but am not sure what to go for. I want something that is not too hard to setup but also I don't want another naza.
Gps capability might be nice.
Regards
Crispy

I started with KK2 and it was a good starting board.

I now use the APM2.6 (Plane) and APM2.7 (tricopter).  Both with GPS, OSD, power module and Telemetry.  Soon to add sonar to the tricopter.

My next one will likely be a Pixhawk, just that the APM's time is limited as they are hitting hardware limits now with the code.

I skipped the MultiWii's and various other ones after researching adding GPS.

I'm an IT consultant so I like to tinker with stuff so the APM / Pixhawk meets my needs.  Be prepared to tinker with the APM / Pixhawk, it is far from plug and play.  I have a tray to swap back to the KK2 for my tricopter so that I can have a fun fly (havent yet but I'm sure I will).  I really like the Alt Hold mode, means I can really throw the tri around and I can feel reasonably confident it will all be okay (that and loiter mode is not far away).

Everyone is different though......

Hmmm, I recall saying that you'll be singing out for something a bit more advanced than the KK2 within 2-3 months.....  I think there are alot of KK2 boards collecting dust....

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: ScottH on October 29, 2014, 02:21:09 PM
Same seller

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Action-Sport-Cam-Camera-Waterproof-Full-HD-1080p-Video-Photo-Helmetcam-SJ4000-DV/390957314130?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122130056%26meid%3Dc579a1bc817042548a313a7d16d2ccb6%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D20140122130056%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D171515318343 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Action-Sport-Cam-Camera-Waterproof-Full-HD-1080p-Video-Photo-Helmetcam-SJ4000-DV/390957314130?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122130056%26meid%3Dc579a1bc817042548a313a7d16d2ccb6%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D20140122130056%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D171515318343)

Fishy me thinks

The SJ4000 camera is a very good unit. I got mine via FoxOffer - http://www.foxoffer.com/outdoor-sports-camera-sjcam-action-camera-c-57_80.html?zenid=de7d39bc42da11bec3833769ca72b5ab (http://www.foxoffer.com/outdoor-sports-camera-sjcam-action-camera-c-57_80.html?zenid=de7d39bc42da11bec3833769ca72b5ab)

Not so sure about the seller...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 29, 2014, 02:33:44 PM
I started with KK2 and it was a good starting board.

I now use the APM2.6 (Plane) and APM2.7 (tricopter).  Both with GPS, OSD, power module and Telemetry.  Soon to add sonar to the tricopter.

My next one will likely be a Pixhawk, just that the APM's time is limited as they are hitting hardware limits now with the code.

I skipped the MultiWii's and various other ones after researching adding GPS.

I'm an IT consultant so I like to tinker with stuff so the APM / Pixhawk meets my needs.  Be prepared to tinker with the APM / Pixhawk, it is far from plug and play.  I have a tray to swap back to the KK2 for my tricopter so that I can have a fun fly (havent yet but I'm sure I will).  I really like the Alt Hold mode, means I can really throw the tri around and I can feel reasonably confident it will all be okay (that and loiter mode is not far away).

Everyone is different though......

Hmmm, I recall saying that you'll be singing out for something a bit more advanced than the KK2 within 2-3 months.....  I think there are alot of KK2 boards collecting dust....

Regards,

Chris

X2, plus I like the look of simple mode and super simple mode. They look like they will be great when orientation is lost.

These two modes are very similar. Check out the video on this link. Niotice that the quad is constantly yawing. Very clever software.

http://copter.ardupilot.com/wiki/flight-modes/simpleandsuper-simple-modes/ (http://copter.ardupilot.com/wiki/flight-modes/simpleandsuper-simple-modes/)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 29, 2014, 04:48:51 PM
The SJ4000 camera is a very good unit. I got mine via FoxOffer - http://www.foxoffer.com/outdoor-sports-camera-sjcam-action-camera-c-57_80.html?zenid=de7d39bc42da11bec3833769ca72b5ab (http://www.foxoffer.com/outdoor-sports-camera-sjcam-action-camera-c-57_80.html?zenid=de7d39bc42da11bec3833769ca72b5ab)

Not so sure about the seller...

It must be. It's a clone of the GoPro that has proved to be so popular, there are now clones of the clone. Apparently cloned so much that the original makers are now putting 'SJCAM' on the original SJ4000's to identify them from the others.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Nomad on October 29, 2014, 07:23:44 PM
Mine says this ---
"We had to remove this listing from the site and you're not required to complete the transaction. If you've already sent payment, the sale should process as normal and you don't have anything to worry about. If you have any questions about delivery, please check tracking or contact your seller. If you run into any trouble along the way eBay is here to help. Please visit the Resolution Centre to help resolve any problems you may encounter."..

So maybe I still get a Hal500 ?? LOL

Edit - Just got the one from Ebay - Not getting it .. Bugger !! LOL

I have only got the one email from ebay so far............same as yours............I was hoping to video the common koel as I chased it out of the tree lol................will wait and see if i get a second email like yours.
Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 29, 2014, 07:32:22 PM
That first bit is in the purchase history on E-Bay ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: yogi on October 29, 2014, 09:00:38 PM
Mine says this ---
"We had to remove this listing from the site and you're not required to complete the transaction. If you've already sent payment, the sale should process as normal and you don't have anything to worry about. If you have any questions about delivery, please check tracking or contact your seller. If you run into any trouble along the way eBay is here to help. Please visit the Resolution Centre to help resolve any problems you may encounter."..

So maybe I still get a Hal500 ?? LOL

Edit - Just got the one from Ebay - Not getting it .. Bugger !! LOL

Mandrake

My money has already been refunded .... Lol .... They are also listings for $37 and $25 on Ebay ..... They all can't be rip offs .... :D

This will be my Next toy .... Working on the ground station and converting it to my new Taranis .... Don't tell the boss ok :cheers:

yogi
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: gec on October 29, 2014, 10:31:23 PM
Just bought these from Hobbyking the other day, https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=53706 (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=53706)     https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=66474 (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=66474)
First tried it out on my RC Car, the dog was not impressed lol, I was sitting at the kitchen table as this car was chasing him around the back yard, definitely good for a laugh, I also have a 1.6 meter flying wing which I have now fitted it up to, keen to try it out when the wind calms a little.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 30, 2014, 06:22:34 AM
These $39 quads on ebay remind me of the Canon 100-400mm lenses that were being sold from Manila for under $100. I got sucked in on that scam, got my money back pretty quickly though. But it makes you wonder if these sellers actually get away with anybodies money.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 30, 2014, 06:24:35 AM
Just bought these from Hobbyking the other day, https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=53706 (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=53706)     https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=66474 (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=66474)
First tried it out on my RC Car, the dog was not impressed lol, I was sitting at the kitchen table as this car was chasing him around the back yard, definitely good for a laugh, I also have a 1.6 meter flying wing which I have now fitted it up to, keen to try it out when the wind calms a little.
You'll be happy with the 700tvl camera. I have three of them now. The picture quality is fantastic for such a little camera.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 30, 2014, 08:52:24 AM
Looks like McGirr just got stung with a similar scam for a $19.99 GoPro.

http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=25760.msg658728#msg658728 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=25760.msg658728#msg658728)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 30, 2014, 10:34:47 AM
Got my 800TVL camera yesterday .. Bench test ..OK..
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/29/ef0c6446b78a7d7e5045adf25e051e94.jpg)
Will fit to front of Phantom for FPV..
Looks like I blew up the Boscam transmitter the other day too ... New one on its way !!!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on October 30, 2014, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: Marschy
Looks like McGirr just got stung with a similar scam for a $19.99 GoPro.

Sorry but would anyone honestly expect a Gopro with accessories for $20 ??? Come in sucker.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 30, 2014, 12:35:35 PM
Looks like I blew up the Boscam transmitter the other day too ... New one on its way !!!

Your 'white smoke' list must get getting as long as mine Mandrake? Crikey I get annoyed with myself when I do it. It's always because I'm not taking my time and not double checking how I've connected something up, or getting the multimeter out.

My 700 tvl camera's are a tiny bit grainy inside in low light, but outside they transmit beautifully, very crisp and sharp image. There was no appreciable difference between it being hooked up directly to the monitor, to when it was hooked up via the transmitter at close range. I haven't had an opportunity to see how well they work at greater range, but that will be more dependent upon the VTx more so than the camera.  I reckon you'll be pleased with the results from you 800 tvl camera. Now you'll have to put one of these on your Xmas shopping list so if you crash you can record the GPS coordinates from your Rambizi OSD.

http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6218210501.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6218210501.html)

Looking forward to your thoughts on the Rambizi OSD you bought as well. I wouldn't mind getting one down the track for my flying wing (if i ever fly the bloody thing that is).
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 30, 2014, 01:12:04 PM
Your 'white smoke' list must get getting as long as mine Mandrake? Crikey I get annoyed with myself when I do it. It's always because I'm not taking my time and not double checking how I've connected something up, or getting the multimeter out.

My 700 tvl camera's are a tiny bit grainy inside in low light, but outside they transmit beautifully, very crisp and sharp image. There was no appreciable difference between it being hooked up directly to the monitor, to when it was hooked up via the transmitter at close range. I haven't had an opportunity to see how well they work at greater range, but that will be more dependent upon the VTx more so than the camera.  I reckon you'll be pleased with the results from you 800 tvl camera. Now you'll have to put one of these on your Xmas shopping list so if you crash you can record the GPS coordinates from your Rambizi OSD.

http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6218210501.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6218210501.html)

Looking forward to your thoughts on the Rambizi OSD you bought as well. I wouldn't mind getting one down the track for my flying wing (if i ever fly the bloody thing that is).


I'm yet to put my 700 TVL camera on my tricopter, its got a huge heavy lens on it.  Great video quality when I tested it, but damn it's a heavy beast.

Ummm, correct me if I'm wrong but isnt PAL 768x576, so anything above 600 isnt going to come through when going over the VTx?  I get why 700 is a jump up from 420 or even 480 TVL. Have I missed something?  I get it if you want to record the stream up on the craft, just cant see the benfit to transmitting it.

Mandrake, how heavy is the 800TVL camera, it looks like it has a smaller lens (normal miniature lens) on it which will cut down on the weight.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 30, 2014, 01:28:00 PM
Yeah, not sure how that works, I think it probably more to do with the CCD sensor over the CMOS sensor's when comparing the 420 or 480 camera's to the 800tvl as far as image quality is concerned. My lens is the same as Mandrakes. Just checked what I previously purchased, and mine is 800tvl as well. These camera's all seem to get quite grainy the less light you throw at them.

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/1-3-sony-hq1-super-had-ccd-camera-lens-module-set-800tvl-for-fpv.html (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/1-3-sony-hq1-super-had-ccd-camera-lens-module-set-800tvl-for-fpv.html)

Same size lens as the Fatshark PilotHD 3.6mm, so I assume a 120 degree FOV.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 30, 2014, 01:33:04 PM
Just bought these from Hobbyking the other day, https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=53706 (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=53706)     https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=66474 (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=66474)
First tried it out on my RC Car, the dog was not impressed lol, I was sitting at the kitchen table as this car was chasing him around the back yard, definitely good for a laugh, I also have a 1.6 meter flying wing which I have now fitted it up to, keen to try it out when the wind calms a little.
Been looking and looking at the Quanum FPV diy goggles, what's your verdict?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 30, 2014, 02:37:39 PM

Mandrake, how heavy is the 800TVL camera, it looks like it has a smaller lens (normal miniature lens) on it which will cut down on the weight.

Regards,

Chris
Chris - Its 48 gms with the bracket and 44 gms without .. Gives a really clear picture on my 5" monitor ...

Mandrake ..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 30, 2014, 02:40:11 PM
Dunno if I mentioned this thing - It'll be here soon too !! LOL

This is all because I have to use 2.4Ghz for FPV ... I think now ( looking back ) would have been cheaper to get the Phantom 2 plus ..

Oh well !! LOL

http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6302497143.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6302497143.html)

Has a range of 100m with standard mini antenna so I'm hoping to double that with a mushroom ... Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: gec on October 30, 2014, 05:14:05 PM
Been looking and looking at the Quanum FPV diy goggles, what's your verdict?

I didn't get to try them on the wing this morning as it was blowing a gale, but as for the goggles them selves, they are a little agricultural but for under $35 so what, the picture seems really good and it doesn't go to blue screen when it gets out of range, just starts to get a bit snowy so ya know when to turn around, so far I'm pretty impressed and even if I just use them for a while and move on to some proper goggles down the track, I think they are still worth the asking price.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 30, 2014, 05:20:36 PM
I didn't get to try them on the wing this morning as it was blowing a gale, but as for the goggles them selves, they are a little agricultural but for under $35 so what, the picture seems really good and it doesn't go to blue screen when it gets out of range, just starts to get a bit snowy so ya know when to turn around, so far I'm pretty impressed and even if I just use them for a while and move on to some proper goggles down the track, I think they are still worth the asking price.
So the picture quality is pretty good? My Fatshark Teleporter V2 goggles picture quality is pretty ordinary, so I don't think getting goggles is necessarily moving on to something better unless you spend some serious dough. Thanks for the feedback about the picture quality. I reckon for the price, like you say, worth a shot.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 30, 2014, 11:16:45 PM
Well I had some good news tonight, it is confirmed one of the MinimOSD's that I thought I had killed is working!!  ;D  So I now have 2 out of 3 Minim's working.  Nice feeling to take items out of the dead pile (none of them seemed to release the white smoke but they didnt work for me before for some reason).

I spent the evening loading up MinimOSD extra and I have to say I'm impressed with it.  I have configured a HUD and will test it out on the weekend.  Process was straight forwards but little frustrating as as I am using lots of single connectors, so I'll whip up a cable with a 6 pin connector.

I downloaded the Minim Config Tool and grabbed a firmware update.  I tried a new layout and uploaded it, I forgot I hadnt updated the firmware orthe character set and was a little surprised when I had lots of odd characters.  Plus things didn't seem right, so I went back to basics.  I updated the firmware, then I updated the character set and then I was happy as I finally got a good display.

Took about 6 goes to get something I was happy with.

Things I like about it:
- Ability to see mah consumed instead of % of battery
- Distance traveled
- I can see my flight mode (wasn't working on stock firmware for some reason)
- I now have a HUD i like

Things I don't like about it:
- Time is now based upon flight time (so power up time until take off, then time since off time), I preferred the time since power up

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49344-2/2014-10-30+23_30_43_001.jpg)

I may have to look at the source code to return it to the old method or give a choice at least.  I'll try the new method for a few flights before I change anything.

I'm thinking of removing the GPS alt (and use relative home alt only) and the Airspeed.

Tomorrow night I will replace my battery tray yet again, I'm going to try the music wire (1.2mm and 1.5mm) to see if I can improve vibration dampening and get more space.  I need to move the battery further back to accommodate the weight of the action cam and gimbal, but I know that I'll have reduced flight time.  With the change in board I'm down to 8.5 mins flight time, it was at 12 mins with my KK2 - on a 2200mah battery.  I've only weight it as the APM at 1kg (no battery), so I dont know how much lighter it was with the KK2.

I will test out my 5000mah batteries on the weekend (if rain and wind holds off) but I wanted to have it bedded down first on the 2200mah.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 30, 2014, 11:35:36 PM
Chris - Its 48 gms with the bracket and 44 gms without .. Gives a really clear picture on my 5" monitor ...

Mandrake ..

Hmmm, thats lighter than my heavy 700TVL camera... It's 70g, still not sure if I'll put it on, the other cameras I use are 15-35g (but they arent 700+TVL).  Food for thought......  No I have to control myself, I have around 6 cameras that I need to use first, but 800 TVL is attractive.....




Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 30, 2014, 11:38:51 PM
Yeah, not sure how that works, I think it probably more to do with the CCD sensor over the CMOS sensor's when comparing the 420 or 480 camera's to the 800tvl as far as image quality is concerned. My lens is the same as Mandrakes. Just checked what I previously purchased, and mine is 800tvl as well. These camera's all seem to get quite grainy the less light you throw at them.

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/1-3-sony-hq1-super-had-ccd-camera-lens-module-set-800tvl-for-fpv.html (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/1-3-sony-hq1-super-had-ccd-camera-lens-module-set-800tvl-for-fpv.html)

Same size lens as the Fatshark PilotHD 3.6mm, so I assume a 120 degree FOV.


Grrr, your not making it easy with prices like that......  I'm so tempted to get one.....

I think I'll need to do some reading up on this, will have to wait until next week.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 30, 2014, 11:41:22 PM
So the picture quality is pretty good? My Fatshark Teleporter V2 goggles picture quality is pretty ordinary, so I don't think getting goggles is necessarily moving on to something better unless you spend some serious dough. Thanks for the feedback about the picture quality. I reckon for the price, like you say, worth a shot.

I reckon such a big thing wont feel right on your head, might be okay for quick flights but anything longer.....  I think if you did it as a tripod mount it would be okay, but why not a larger screen with a shade on it.

I looked at them early on, I'll wait for you guys to review it first  ;D

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 31, 2014, 01:48:21 AM
Chris, check the Arducopter website. They recommend 1000mah per motor as a rule of thumb. So for your tricopter you are a little short on power at 2200.
Cheers Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 31, 2014, 06:00:45 AM
I'm going to try the music wire (1.2mm and 1.5mm) to see if I can improve vibration dampening and get more space.
Chris, If like me, you have collected a large number of USB cables over the years, you probably have a few that are surplus to your needs. Good size wire for this sort of stuff.

Cheers, Mark
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 31, 2014, 06:37:05 AM
Mine was $21 free post .. I'll do the link when I get up ..LOL

EDIT -- LINK http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/361000019522?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/361000019522?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 31, 2014, 08:18:33 AM
Mine was $21 free post .. I'll do the link when I get up ..LOL

EDIT -- LINK http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/361000019522?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/361000019522?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)

Same lens as mine, 3.6mm, so probably 120 degree FOV. It doesn't state this on the ebay listing, neither did mine. So I only have the Fatshark PilotHD specs on Hobbyking to base this on. But 120 degrees seems pretty good for FPV. Bloody great price. Can you let us know if the camera is CCD or CMOS, it should say what it is on the back of the camera or maybe with any documentation that accompanied the camera (wishful thinking, I don't think any of my camera's came with documentation other that what was printed on the box). Difference in price maybe due to CMOS camera, but if it's CCD, absolute bargain.

Only difference to mine is mine has the OSD menu board, which I haven't used anyway. I've just plugged it in and used it. It has features like it will turn off the colour image to black and white to increase contrast in low light. It does that by default, but you can turn that functionality off, plus you can adjust the white balance, again I haven't bothered.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 31, 2014, 08:35:29 AM
Model No FX-811 , 12V and on the "installation guide " ( HOHOHO basic wiring diagram ) it shows the lens as F2.0 ?? But the picture is crystal clear ..
So no idea if its CCD or CMOS ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 31, 2014, 08:43:40 AM
Just doing some reading on the Effio-V on this link

http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?26970-Sony-CCD-Effio-V-800TVL-Ultra-WDR-Camera-2.8mm-Lens-with-OSD (http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?26970-Sony-CCD-Effio-V-800TVL-Ultra-WDR-Camera-2.8mm-Lens-with-OSD)

The effio-p is CCD, bargain (see http://www.surveilzone.com (http://www.surveilzone.com)).

One post mentions a plastic case which would save a lot of weight, which you can get from surveilzone, just search for plastic case. Seems the 3.6mm lens is VERY desirable for FPV according to all of the requests on the link above.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 31, 2014, 10:38:07 AM
Chris, check the Arducopter website. They recommend 1000mah per motor as a rule of thumb. So for your tricopter you are a little short on power at 2200.
Cheers Marschy

Hi Mark,

True, I am a bit short but lots of factors go into which battery to use (capacity, C rating, weight, price, weight of the frame, motors being used, etc).  I have the 2200mah batts from when I was using the KK2 board (and getting great flight times), but I have a bit more weight now which impacts it a bit more than I expected.  I've got the 5000mah's for the longer flights, I'm hoping to get 16+ mins out of it.

I can always hook the 2200's up in parallel if i need longer flight times.  Although 2 x 2200mah (376g + Y harness) is heavier than 1 x 5000mah (354g).

I only have 2 of the 5000mah batts, depending how it goes this weekend I may have to order another couple :-)  They do take a long time to charge up though......  The biggest charger I've got is a 5A charger, so that's a 1 hour charge (at 1C, I'd test out 2C but I dont have a charger that big).  With the 2200's I can push 4A in safely (2C - they are cheap so if they have a short life that is ok), so much quicker charge time.  Oddly the 2200's are rated at 4C for charging, which is quite high, I've not gone over 4A on them (just under 2C).

I might look at some other options, I think I'll be ordering some new batteries after this weekend.  The 2200mah's are perfect for my Bixler2, so they'll still feel loved (if I can find somewhere to fly the thing....)

Decisions, decisions.....

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 31, 2014, 12:52:25 PM
hey guys .... Help me with connector phraseology please ..
I need a couple of 3 and 4 pin cables with the small white connectors --
I can get them in Nano , Mini Micro , Micro and Mini - sizing appears to be either 1.25 or 1.5 mm between the pins ??? Is that right ??
Seems I'll have to buy packets of 20 ..
The ones on a gimbal are Nano or Mini-micro or micro ?? Coz that's the size I need ..
I'm in the last stages of hooking in my Remzibi and the video in / out socket / header is a 4-pin job and I don't have the right size
plug here for it , so I need to order some .... For what they cost I suppose I'll buy them all - LOL .
Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 31, 2014, 12:54:05 PM
hey guys .... Help me with connector phraseology please ..
I need a couple of 3 and 4 pin cables with the small white connectors --
I can get them in Nano , Mini Micro , Micro and Mini - sizing appears to be either 1.25 or 1.5 mm between the pins ??? Is that right ??
Seems I'll have to buy packets of 20 ..
The ones on a gimbal are Nano or Mini-micro or micro ?? Coz that's the size I need ..
I'm in the last stages of hooking in my Remzibi and the video in / out socket / header is a 4-pin job and I don't have the right size
plug here for it , so I need to order some .... For what they cost I suppose I'll buy them all - LOL .
Cheers
Steve
Look on youtube for Mochaboy's crimping 101 where he describes what the connectors are called. I found it the other day and book marked it at home, but I am at work at the moment without access to youtube.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on October 31, 2014, 01:00:07 PM
hey guys .... Help me with connector phraseology please ..
I need a couple of 3 and 4 pin cables with the small white connectors --
I can get them in Nano , Mini Micro , Micro and Mini - sizing appears to be either 1.25 or 1.5 mm between the pins ??? Is that right ??
Seems I'll have to buy packets of 20 ..
The ones on a gimbal are Nano or Mini-micro or micro ?? Coz that's the size I need ..
I'm in the last stages of hooking in my Remzibi and the video in / out socket / header is a 4-pin job and I don't have the right size
plug here for it , so I need to order some .... For what they cost I suppose I'll buy them all - LOL .
Cheers
Steve

Hi Steve,

I bought a bunch of them myself...  It was easier that way. 

I got several of the Micro JST and Micro Mini's JST as well DF13 connectors (deeper than the micro JST's).

I decided to buy some precrimped cables to save myself the hassle.

I think the one that seems to match the APM stuff is the micro JST and DF13 connectors.

The connectors are all over the place, so many different places calling them different things.  I've seen the same youtube clip Mark is referring too, it you search on rcgroups it should come up.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 31, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
Some of the DF13s have a different pitch, whether they are still called DF13s, I don't know, but the mini video transmitter i have has a different spacing between the pins to all the other DF13s i have used so far.

Just looked on youtube on my phone. The poster is MochaboyRC and the posting is called 'How to crimp micro connectors',
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on October 31, 2014, 01:18:19 PM
Cheers guys - ordered 4 lots plus 2 Lipo low voltage alarms and a spinning blue LED police light .. LOL ,, $40 the lot ..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on October 31, 2014, 01:20:11 PM
Cheers guys - ordered 4 lots plus 2 Lipo low voltage alarms and a spinning blue LED police light .. LOL ,, $40 the lot ..
You can never have enough spinning blue LED lights. You'll be buying blinking lights before you know it  ;D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: D4D on November 01, 2014, 10:24:14 AM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/drones-filling-queensland-skies-within-dangerous-proximity-of-aircraft/story-fnihsrk2-1227108980317 (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/drones-filling-queensland-skies-within-dangerous-proximity-of-aircraft/story-fnihsrk2-1227108980317)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 01, 2014, 12:34:57 PM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/drones-filling-queensland-skies-within-dangerous-proximity-of-aircraft/story-fnihsrk2-1227108980317 (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/drones-filling-queensland-skies-within-dangerous-proximity-of-aircraft/story-fnihsrk2-1227108980317)


There are lots of factual errors in that article.  There was alot I agree with too.

Some items that I have an issue with.....

Most cities are covered by controlled airspace but have a floor set on them, so once you get out of 5nm from an airfield the floor is often thousands of feet hight, so flying in a park at greater than 400ft is perfectly legal.  As long as you dont then go above the floor alt.  Case in point for where I fly, I am not in controlled airspace below several thoughts of feet, but I live in a special area that can be a nofly zone when advised by a NOTAM.  Can I access NOTAM's easily, nope and that is a real issue.

You are allowed to fly within 5nm of an airfield you must stay below 400ft.  And not fly over the airfield or fly in or around the approach / departure areas.  Thats what is in the CASA Regulation, not the fairy tale the person believes.

A sporting field is only a populous area once there are a volume of people.  So the odd person on the beach or the park is not considered populous (this is one that I feel the regulation doesn't have enough detail on when it switches so it's a bit subjective)

Commercial RPA operators like to think they are the only ones allowed to fly above 400ft, simply not true.  They have to seek approval to do so.  Commercial operators are the ones that are banned from a number of things, but they think that their rules apply to hobbyists, sure there are some rules that apply to all but they have additional restrictions on them.  It stems from the training they do, they get told it there and then believe it to be true.

There is plenty of existing regulations to that give CASA enforcement powers if a person flys in the vicinity of an airliner.....

I have strong doubts the drone operators he's talking about in the 'controlled' airspace of coolangatta are actually in the controlled part.  I've caught out other supposed RPA experts saying a person was in controlled airspace but once educated they realise I was right....

Things I agree with:

Idiots need to stop cloud surfing as it is not allowed at all.  Those posting and doing in Australian airspace should be fined.  These are the people that are really causing issues for this hobby.

Those flying in places like the harbour bridge, etc.... Should be fined.  If they get within 30m of the structure.


I think also people need to realise if they are in public then they have no expectation of privacy at all.  That means if you like to sunbake topless or nude in your backyard, then people need to realise they risk being seen by others, including those that might be flying.  Camera technology doesnt really allow for people to spy into peoples homes, but I do agree that existing privacy laws should be enforced if people try to see into homes that would not normally be able to from the street should be hit with the existing laws.  Plus if people move into the harassment territory then they should also be fined with existing legislation.

I think it shows a sad state of journalism when they cant even get the facts right, now people read this and think it's the truth when it is far from it, so many factual errors.

The above is based upon CASA regulations, the actual law that applies to this, not some fairy tale.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 01, 2014, 04:02:20 PM
What ticks me off is the quoting of part of the regulation in these articles that are deliberately phrased to make people question any person using a drone. Statements like "It also restricts users from flying over “populous areas” including beaches, backyards, heavily populated parks and sports ovals.", but fails to add the last part of the regulation from the CASA website with regard to sports ovals "where there is a game in progress". This makes a HUGE difference to peoples perceptions as most people read the crap in the media and take it as gospel.

The "What's allowed" rules for model aircraft and remote piloted aircraft are as follows directly from the CASA sight.

What's allowed?
RPA (Edit: Remote Piloted Aircraft, these rules apply when the aircraft is not operated within line of sight but are controlled via FPV, users of these vehicles must be licensed)


Model aircraft (Edit: These users do not need to be licensed)

pop•u•lous (?p?p y? l?s)

adj.
1. containing many residents or inhabitants; heavily populated: a populous area.
2. jammed or crowded with people.
3. forming or comprising a large number or quantity; numerous.

The image in the article showing a beach in the background next to a populated area does not show an operator breaking any law, what for example is directly below the UAV.

What is particularly annoying is the article states that there are 10,000+ drones in Australia, yet the article makes mention of less than a handful of incidents, work out the statistics for yourself, the number of reported incidents is stuff all, yet we are all being painted as irresponsible.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 02, 2014, 01:04:04 AM
What ticks me off is the quoting of part of the regulation in these articles that are deliberately phrased to make people question any person using a drone. Statements like "It also restricts users from flying over “populous areas” including beaches, backyards, heavily populated parks and sports ovals.", but fails to add the last part of the regulation from the CASA website with regard to sports ovals "where there is a game in progress". This makes a HUGE difference to peoples perceptions as most people read the crap in the media and take it as gospel.


I agree Mark, it's all about conditioning people which only causes issues.  State what is allowed, and that is what is really allowed and then people wont feel like we've doing the wrong thing and try to call someone to do something about it.  It annoys me when I see articles like this one.

Having said that I'm yet to have 1 person say they don't like what I'm doing, I've had heaps of people come and have a look and say it's really cool.

I think it's more about a commercial operator seeing hobbyists and saying hey if I have xyz restrictions so should they......  Not to mention I'd suggest a journalist (and I use that term loosely) has gone ringing around the commercial RPA operators trying to get someone willing to say that 'yep those cowboys are a risk to airplanes, just like happened recently in the US, can it happen here'.  Yep and if those cowboys did something wrong, there are existing regs to take care of them.

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 02, 2014, 05:42:14 AM
What sets a precedence with this article is the mention of terrorism. Let's hope the media don't start using the word like a self fulfilling prophesy.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 02, 2014, 07:10:15 AM
Chris and Spartan,

David Windestal's new V3 tricopter

http://youtu.be/2GwZsdEpAa4?list=UU9zTuyWffK9ckEz1216noAw (http://youtu.be/2GwZsdEpAa4?list=UU9zTuyWffK9ckEz1216noAw)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 02, 2014, 11:25:58 AM
Chris and Spartan,

David Windestal's new V3 tricopter

http://youtu.be/2GwZsdEpAa4?list=UU9zTuyWffK9ckEz1216noAw (http://youtu.be/2GwZsdEpAa4?list=UU9zTuyWffK9ckEz1216noAw)


He released it late September, I subscribe to his channel, he's now trying to make a living off it, I wish him well.  Good to see he was able to go visit the US and do some work on Rotor DR1.

It would be great to own a CNC machine.....  The things you can do.

I find the flite test guys to be a good bunch, just having fun and expanding the hobby, it's great.

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on November 06, 2014, 11:06:59 PM
I knew the V3 was coming out so I was keeping a close eye on his website so I could order one, but of course I was away on holidays when he released them and they were all sold out by the time I got home.

Now I'm hanging out until probably late this month for it to turn up :'(.

I subscribe to and check out both him and flitetest every week when I'm home from work.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Darcy7 on November 07, 2014, 07:25:39 AM
OHHHHHHH

Seriously want one of these....!!!

http://www.news.com.au/video/id-Q2YXdocTo4vJAlLbDW2Y9n_Q8mepig0F (http://www.news.com.au/video/id-Q2YXdocTo4vJAlLbDW2Y9n_Q8mepig0F)
forget the Go Pro...!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 07, 2014, 07:30:50 AM
This technology has taken a giant leap forward in the last 12 months, its staggering how much it has advanced in so short an amount of time
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 09, 2014, 08:45:54 PM
Hi,

Finally got a chance to test out the flight time with a 3s 5000mah battery.  Overall very happy, I've calculated that I'll get between 20-22mins out of a full battery, I only had it up in the air for around 16 mins today.  I like the minimOSD-extra interface, I get a nice flight summary at the end of each flight.  Whats great is that the battery mah consumed is not reset until you unplug the battery and plug a new one in so no need for me to modify the OSD code to do it.  Flight distance was 1.2km today, so I'm pretty happy.

Was using my new camera tray (homemade), and I'm impressed the vibrations are minimal (just using bent 1.2mm music wire).  I'll upload the OSD footage to my youtube channel.  I'm yet to look at the footage saved on the camera, so wont know how good it is until I have a look at it.

I was surprised when the OSD was reporting low voltage after only 3000mah consumed so I put it on the ground to work out what was going on.  Time to update the OSD low voltage warning, it seems i have it set too high as the battery bounced back to 12.3v within a second or two on the ground.

Something posted on diydrones is a new tool which you can upload your tlogs or logs to and it will do all the flight logging.  It's a beta so there a lot of missing basic features but I like it, you just upload the log and it does the rest :-).  It's called exmaps.com

It looks like they'll be adding features as they go which is good.  I was looking at doing something up myself but just dont have the time and this tool has a great potential.  What are others using to track the flight time, etc.....

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 10, 2014, 01:08:15 PM
Hi,

Well I have to say that the stabilisation of using the 1.2mm music wire is brilliant, there is very little vibration coming through on the Pilot HD camera.  It seems so odd that something that is so easily pushed laterally just absorbs the vibrations.  I've got some 1.5mm music wire that I'll try too, as David's switched to using 1.5mm in his most recent design.

So now that I have far more space, I can finally mount both the gopro clone and the FPV camera!!  Will be trying that out on Thursday night.  After a few weeks of good flights I'll strap the gopro on.

Hi Mark,

lol, i've been waiting for my sonar to arrive and thought I'd check when I'm likely to get it.  Sigh it looks like I didnt hit one of the submit buttons..... Grrr, so I just ordered it again.  Has your's arrived yet?

How's your flying going so far?  This week looks like a bust for me as it is forecast to rain for most of it....

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 10, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
G'day Chris,

Since I found out my power modules were a POS, the quads haven't been back in the air. I want to make sure all of the failsafe systems are working like they should be before I fly them again. I'm expecting them to arrive any day now from Hobbyking.

I ordered the sonar and optical flow sensor from Thanksbuyer on the 24th October. It was still sitting in an airport in China as of the 6th November according to the tracking status. What I've read about Thanksbuyer and Goodluckbuiy is much the same. If you order directly from them and not through Aliexpress, order via snail mail. Otherwise they just take your money for shipping and pocket it. This has already happened to me with Goodluckbuy. However Goodluckbuy's service through Aliexpress has been nothing but brilliant.

I haven't been using the logging feature yet in APM, but plan to.

I've been busy though, putting the Alien560 together. So far lot's of soldering and crimping getting servo leads and ESC power cables to the right length to save weight. The cable runs are quite long so the weight saving should be considerable. I was originally going to put new Tarot motor mounts on without trimming the boom arms, which would have added 104mm to the wheelbase, making it 664mm, but I ended up trimming them so the wheel base is back to 560mm. The frame is turning out quite nicely. Waiting on a power distribution board from Aliexpress which has been in-country since the 25th October. I'm not sure what the holdup is, but I would expect it is the usual Xmas holdup with customs.

Cheers, Mark
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 10, 2014, 05:00:30 PM
G'day Chris,

Since I found out my power modules were a POS, the quads haven't been back in the air. I want to make sure all of the failsafe systems are working like they should be before I fly them again. I'm expecting them to arrive any day now from Hobbyking.

I ordered the sonar and optical flow sensor from Thanksbuyer on the 24th October. It was still sitting in an airport in China as of the 6th November according to the tracking status. What I've read about Thanksbuyer and Goodluckbuiy is much the same. If you order directly from them and not through Aliexpress, order via snail mail. Otherwise they just take your money for shipping and pocket it. This has already happened to me with Goodluckbuy. However Goodluckbuy's service through Aliexpress has been nothing but brilliant.

I haven't been using the logging feature yet in APM, but plan to.

I've been busy though, putting the Alien560 together. So far lot's of soldering and crimping getting servo leads and ESC power cables to the right length to save weight. The cable runs are quite long so the weight saving should be considerable. I was originally going to put new Tarot motor mounts on without trimming the boom arms, which would have added 104mm to the wheelbase, making it 664mm, but I ended up trimming them so the wheel base is back to 560mm. The frame is turning out quite nicely. Waiting on a power distribution board from Aliexpress which has been in-country since the 25th October. I'm not sure what the holdup is, but I would expect it is the usual Xmas holdup with customs.

Cheers, Mark

Hi,

I hate that waiting game :-(

Hmmm, so I have a long wait then for the sonar, I cant believe that I hadnt hit the last button, I hate my work PC.....

Is that board carbon fibre?  Looks nice I have to say.

The logging feature is great, I've been able to review each of my flights which has been extremely handy.  It's nice to know that I have both the onboard logs and the telemetry logs, so if I loose the thing I'll know where it is (not to mention the saved OSD output).

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 10, 2014, 06:55:50 PM
Is that board carbon fibre?  Looks nice I have to say.
Yes it is carbon fibre. This is the frame on Hobbyking.

https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__51425__HobbyKing_174_Alien_560_Folding_Quad_Copter_Carbon_Fiber_Version_Kit_.html (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__51425__HobbyKing_174_Alien_560_Folding_Quad_Copter_Carbon_Fiber_Version_Kit_.html)

There are quite a few variations of this frame on Goodluckbuy, but the Hobbyking version is considerably cheaper considering it's carbon fibre. Most of the GLB versions are around the same price but the frame is usually glass fibre.

I'm waiting for pay day to get some of these motors from Hobbyking. They have long leads which will work perfectly on the Alien which has hollow carbon fibre booms. It is going to be a very tidy quad once it's finished.

(https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/41617.jpg) (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__41617__3508_700KV_Turnigy_Multistar_14_Pole_Brushless_Multi_Rotor_Motor_With_Extra_Long_Leads.html)

These are the reason I went for different motor mounts. I've seen examples of the Alien560 with similar size motors, but with only 2 screws holding the motor to the mount because that is all that it appears it will fit.

My working conditions have changed considerably due to poor health. So I'm now only working 4 days/week, and my pay has dived by 20%. So once I get these quads all sorted out, then I will be just maintaining them to keep them in the air.

The only remaining big ticket items I need to buy to get the Alien going is the motors, a Vtx, suitable carbon fibre props, another satellite receiver, that'll make it two satellites plus the actual receiver and some sundry stuff like more cable ties etc.

My son is getting me a Turnigy Action Camera for Xmas, so the flight camera is sorted. I notice that the latest version of this camera now has video out via the mini USB connection and has the same firmware as the SJ4000. I've already got the FPV camera, so I may need a receiver switch to swap between the two cameras.

Spent today getting as much done on the Alien as I can, plus I oiled the bearings on the F450 motors. One of the NTM 2830 800kv motors wasn't spinning up as quickly as the other motors and was stopping much quicker. I pulled that one motor apart and the top bearing was quite rusty, so I gave it a good clean and connected it to my Dremel and oiled it while spinning around 2000rpm. It's now spinning up as quickly as the other motors. The motor has been used on about 10 flights, so being rusty is a bit concerning, but the forums all suggest that the NTM motors bearings are cheap and nasty. Not going to worry about upgrading the bearings, when the time comes I'll just get better quality motors. But the NTM's have proved to be pretty good value otherwise.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 10, 2014, 07:28:06 PM
http://www.lingeringlandscapes.com/Photos/Warrnambool.mp4 (http://www.lingeringlandscapes.com/Photos/Warrnambool.mp4)

Warrnambool - Merri River mouth - sunset - was a bit windy .. Realised my gimbal settings prevented the camera from moving when I accelerated forward ... Fixed now ..

Lots of Gulls on the sand .. Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 10, 2014, 07:48:38 PM
http://www.lingeringlandscapes.com/Photos/Warrnambool.mp4 (http://www.lingeringlandscapes.com/Photos/Warrnambool.mp4)

Warrnambool - Merri River mouth - sunset - was a bit windy .. Realised my gimbal settings prevented the camera from moving when I accelerated forward ... Fixed now ..

Lots of Gulls on the sand .. Steve

Any video much appreciated Steve, better than my efforts to date. What a stunning location.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 10, 2014, 08:53:12 PM
We went to Hopkins Falls - got some really nice Photos - tried to get video but the wind was coming up river hitting the curved falls wall and spiralling up up and away --
I had no control over the Phantom until it got out of the updraught .. I really wanted the video but it didnt happn this time ...
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/10/9460dd82cc1edf1251a13bdcbd6579d7.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on November 11, 2014, 12:02:34 AM

Spent today getting as much done on the Alien as I can, plus I oiled the bearings on the F450 motors. One of the NTM 2830 800kv motors wasn't spinning up as quickly as the other motors and was stopping much quicker. I pulled that one motor apart and the top bearing was quite rusty, so I gave it a good clean and connected it to my Dremel and oiled it while spinning around 2000rpm. It's now spinning up as quickly as the other motors. The motor has been used on about 10 flights, so being rusty is a bit concerning, but the forums all suggest that the NTM motors bearings are cheap and nasty. Not going to worry about upgrading the bearings, when the time comes I'll just get better quality motors. But the NTM's have proved to be pretty good value otherwise.

When I calibrated my ESCs the other day I noticed a couple of the NTM 2830 900Kv motors I have seemed a bit noisier than the  other one. I was just going to leave them until after I get this thing in the air and actually get to fly it, but now I'm thinking I might have to pull them apart and oil them while I'm waiting for the frame.

What oil do you use. Something thin like gun or sowing machine oil?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 11, 2014, 12:19:40 AM
http://www.lingeringlandscapes.com/Photos/Warrnambool.mp4 (http://www.lingeringlandscapes.com/Photos/Warrnambool.mp4)

Warrnambool - Merri River mouth - sunset - was a bit windy .. Realised my gimbal settings prevented the camera from moving when I accelerated forward ... Fixed now ..

Lots of Gulls on the sand .. Steve


Hi Steve,

Nice location and good to see some video footage!  Just a question what are you using to dampen the vibrations?  There seems to be a fair bit coming through, is it coming through because the gimbal issue you mentioned?

I've got to get my decent cameras mounted, making me jealous!!

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 11, 2014, 05:18:03 AM
When I calibrated my ESCs the other day I noticed a couple of the NTM 2830 900Kv motors I have seemed a bit noisier than the  other one. I was just going to leave them until after I get this thing in the air and actually get to fly it, but now I'm thinking I might have to pull them apart and oil them while I'm waiting for the frame.

What oil do you use. Something thin like gun or sowing machine oil?

Hello Spartan,

If you want to pull them apart, remove the grub screw at the top of the bell housing, then use a small nail to drive the shaft down and out of the housing. Then you have to pull really hard on the bell housing against the pull of the magnets to remove it from the stator.

Don't remove the circlip from the bottom of the shaft, otherwise you will need to replace them. They distort and are nearly impossible to make them grip satisfactorily when you put them back on. If you want to remove the bearings, here is a good video I found. I didn't do this, I just oiled the bearings once I had good access to them. Don't worry about getting oil on the windings, it does the motor no harm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrOGKyXP0Ak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrOGKyXP0Ak)

I used Castrol Handy Oil (sewing machine oil). It's been sitting in the cupboard for about 10 years and I have no idea where I got it from.

(http://www.derek.com.au/castrolhandyoil.jpg)

Cheers, Mark
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 11, 2014, 08:46:56 PM
Hello Spartan,

If you want to pull them apart, remove the grub screw at the top of the bell housing, then use a small nail to drive the shaft down and out of the housing. Then you have to pull really hard on the bell housing against the pull of the magnets to remove it from the stator.

Don't remove the circlip from the bottom of the shaft, otherwise you will need to replace them. They distort and are nearly impossible to make them grip satisfactorily when you put them back on. If you want to remove the bearings, here is a good video I found. I didn't do this, I just oiled the bearings once I had good access to them. Don't worry about getting oil on the windings, it does the motor no harm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrOGKyXP0Ak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrOGKyXP0Ak)

I used Castrol Handy Oil (sewing machine oil). It's been sitting in the cupboard for about 10 years and I have no idea where I got it from.

(http://www.derek.com.au/castrolhandyoil.jpg)

Cheers, Mark


Hi Spartan,

I've use the singer light machine oil (so sewing machine oil). You can pick it up at most of the supermarkets or hardware shops.

I've had the same bottle since I was 16.  I put a few drops in the shaver every couple of months (properly not needed in a modern shaver but still).

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on November 11, 2014, 09:32:19 PM
I've got some gun oil in the shed so I'll either use that or grab some sowing machine oil - thanks for the advice.

I think I might wait until I mount the motors on the frame so at least it's easy enough to spin them up again - probably should have taken notice which motors were noisy shouldn't I  ::).

I got up at 5.30 this morning to go and meet a mate of mine who was taking his walkera and tricopter out for a flight. How easy is it to fly with GPS! I've never flown a multicopter in my life and I was just cruising around in altitude hold mode. He took it up so high that we couldn't really make it out - flick the return to home switch and a couple of minutes later it turns up and even pulls off a decent landing!

But that's the main reason I went for a KK board - to actually learn how to fly properly without all the electronics doing half the work for me.

For those of you with KK boards - how many of you always fly/flew with the Self level on and how many switch it off?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 11, 2014, 10:10:19 PM
I think I might wait until I mount the motors on the frame so at least it's easy enough to spin them up again - probably should have taken notice which motors were noisy shouldn't I  ::).
Much easier that way. Give each prop a really good flick, you'll soon see which motor has issues with the bearings.
For those of you with KK boards - how many of you always fly/flew with the Self level on and how many switch it off?
I used the chicken switch all the time, full acro had my quad in the dirt in 2 seconds.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 12, 2014, 06:34:18 AM
Found a seller on Aliexpress with 100% feedback and over 150 sales which is pretty remarkable.

They sell some Emax motors that I am considering for the Alien.

This motor is pretty versatile in that it can be powered from 3S-5S and the thrust/weight/current ratios are pretty good. It's a pretty good package including t-prop adapters and CW/CCW accessory packs all nicely packaged.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/EMAX-MT-3506-650KV-Brushless-motor-for-Multirotors/1512065252.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/EMAX-MT-3506-650KV-Brushless-motor-for-Multirotors/1512065252.html)

The other Emax is a 600kv beast with maximum thrust of 1780g but nearly 40g heavier.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/EMAX-MT-3510-600KV-Brushless-motor-for-Multirotors/1512149723.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/EMAX-MT-3510-600KV-Brushless-motor-for-Multirotors/1512149723.html)

I'm leaning towards these motors now in favour of the multistar motors from Hobbyking. I am going to run the specs of all the motors I am considering through the ecalc website to make sure I'm making a good decision.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 12, 2014, 12:29:57 PM
I bit the bullet and bought 4 of the Emax MT3506 650kv (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/EMAX-MT-3506-650KV-Brushless-motor-for-Multirotors/1512065252.html) motors. They are apparently a clone of the T-Motor MT3506 650 (http://www.rctigermotor.com/html/2013/Professional_0912/49.html). Didn't bother with ecalc. I figure the versatility of the motor should make it worth while.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 12, 2014, 05:33:38 PM


But that's the main reason I went for a KK board - to actually learn how to fly properly without all the electronics doing half the work for me.

For those of you with KK boards - how many of you always fly/flew with the Self level on and how many switch it off?

I only used the self level occasionally,  i found it struggled with descents and getting clear air, when it tried to recover it would struggle. I think with some PID tuning it would have done better.

Those with tuned frames seem to say its a good recovery option if things go bad. So most seem to fly with no self level and use it when it goes bad.

Regards,

Chris


Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 12, 2014, 05:43:45 PM
Curious things happened today !!
Couldn't get a GPS lock down by the Werribee River -- Tried to fly without GPS on and had a bit of trouble as there was a bit of wind -
After takeoff each time ( 3 times I tried ) the Gimbal went into pitch rollover mode continuously - tangled up the sensor cable -
Took it home to the work shed - GPS worked fine !! - Gimbal - hopeless - Just ordered a new controller board and sensor - and a complete new gimbal
(Just in case ) ...
The yanks are complaining about Solar Flares interrupting GPS signals ?? Could that be what it was or did I just strike the part of the day when only
3 or 4 satellites were overhead ??
So no video today boys n girls ... The FPV worked really well though !! LOL ..
Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on November 12, 2014, 07:54:47 PM
Thanks for the info. I would have thought the idea would be to fly fully manual and just use the self leveling to get you out of trouble. The tri I watched the other day was in self level the whole time and it really wobbled around on descent so I'm guessing it needed some more tuning or setting up.

The motors were only noisy at certain RPMs so I'll wait until they are all mounted and connected up so I can spin them up properly.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 12, 2014, 09:35:32 PM
I think the reason my last flight with the F450 was such a disaster was simply due to that one motor binding. Every time I spun the motors up, that one motor was noticeably slower. If it doesn't improve the next time I fly it, I will use one of the other NTM's that I was originally going to put on the Alien. The Reptile was flying fine on 4 NTM's.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 12, 2014, 11:59:45 PM
Thanks for the info. I would have thought the idea would be to fly fully manual and just use the self leveling to get you out of trouble. The tri I watched the other day was in self level the whole time and it really wobbled around on descent so I'm guessing it needed some more tuning or setting up.

Hi Spartan,

Sounds good to me, just to let you know all rotor blades will stall during a fast vertical descent.  The only way to avoid this is to move either forwards, sideways or in reverse, to move the blades in to clean air.  Essentially the dirty air means the rotor blades stall (they still spin) and fail to generate lift.

I had two incidents where my tricopter became unstable and hit the ground from self level and descending too fast (basically one would stall and in a tri there is no forgiveness if you loose a motor - it cant relevel it).

Even the APM should have the same problem as it's more an airframe issue but so far I've not had a crash from this (had a close one but it was able to stay level and I just caught it in time).  Just remember you can go vertically up fast but coming straight down is slow or do it while moving.

When you think about the number of full size helos you see out there you rarely see them descend straight down (and if they do it's really, really slowly), this is because it's even worse for a helicopter, they have one rotor and if it loses lift then they have a significant risk of crashing.

Fingers crossed the 'forecast weather' is yet to occur and I think I'll finally get to go for a fly tomorrow afternoon!!!

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 13, 2014, 09:00:11 PM
The new Hobbyking power modules arrived today. In mission planner I have it setup as Monitor: current and amps, Sensor: 3DR power module, and APM Ver: APM 2.5+ - 3DR Power Module.

The voltage is out by 0.3 volts, which is just 0.1 volt higher than what they recommend without calibrating the module using the 'Other' sensor. But when I calibrate the module I am still getting extreme voltages when the quad is armed (40+ volts). It's not happening when it's set to 3DR power module. So I think I'll live with it being out by 0.3 volts. At least the failsafe warnings are not appearing on the HUD anymore.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 13, 2014, 11:29:45 PM
The new Hobbyking power modules arrived today. In mission planner I have it setup as Monitor: current and amps, Sensor: 3DR power module, and APM Ver: APM 2.5+ - 3DR Power Module.

The voltage is out by 0.3 volts, which is just 0.1 volt higher than what they recommend without calibrating the module using the 'Other' sensor. But when I calibrate the module I am still getting extreme voltages when the quad is armed (40+ volts). It's not happening when it's set to 3DR power module. So I think I'll live with it being out by 0.3 volts. At least the failsafe warnings are not appearing on the HUD anymore.

Hi Mark,

I think mine is out by .25V so I wouldnt think too much about it, much better to get figures that dont jump around.  My 12.6V batteries start with 12.35V or there abouts, so I know when it hits 10.1v under load that its time to land.  My 3s 5000mah seem to jump right back up to healthy 11.x after leaving to rest for a few minutes (I use approx 4200mah).

I got a good 4.5km flight in today (around 35 mins using 2 batteries) and could have stayed up even longer but had to get home :-)  Top speed was 45km/h so I'm pretty happy with that (even in strong winds).

Regards,

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 14, 2014, 05:00:04 AM
I got a good 4.5km flight in today (around 35 mins using 2 batteries) and could have stayed up even longer but had to get home :-)  Top speed was 45km/h so I'm pretty happy with that (even in strong winds).
Was that 2 x 5000mAH batteries paralleled? Thats pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 14, 2014, 08:57:11 AM
Was that 2 x 5000mAH batteries paralleled? Thats pretty impressive.

Sadly no, it should have said flights (2 in total)......  But I did get around 20 mins from one battery and 15 from the other, and the 2nd had some spare so I reckon I'd be able to get 30mins no problems if I put them in parallel.  Hmmmm, now you got me thinking :-)  I was driving it pretty hard most of the time, so I reckon I could get close to 35-40 mins if I was just cruising around.

I did have one failed takeoff, I think I need to redesign my landing gear to have flat plates at the bottom as they get stuck on the grass at the oval and it causes it to flip.  I have to really commit to a take off on non concrete ground....

At one stage I had it in loiter mode and took it up to around 25m and it was at a 30 degree bank just to hold position in the strong winds.  I brought it back down to around 5m so the wind wouldn't affect it so much.  Was interesting to see that I get the odd spike to 30+ amps, on review of the logs, my OSD reports around 10-16 amps for my flying (never noticed the 30+ amp spike).  It looks like when I rapidly go from fast forward flight to hover it it has to really work and it spikes up to 30+ amps.  Still well below any of my components thresholds :-)

Still yet to swap connectors on my 2 newer batteries, sigh.   So I'll have to see if I can get my batts charged when I get home for another set of flights.  Delivering an SES Floodboat course this weekend so no chance to fly (not to mention it is forecast to rain the weekend).

I was using the telemetry link for some of the flying, so I would set random GPS points in the oval and off it would go.  Very impressive.  Time for some planned missions next week.

I did an auto tune the other day and it was successful, just need to give it time (oh and lots of space, it does like to wander).

I did 30% of the flying FPV on the monitor, and it wasnt too bad, it was extremely helpful when I lost LOS as it blended in to a stadium that is in the background.  Looked right at the monitor and was able to bring it back to me without looking back up.  Much easier to keep an object in the cameras FOV using FPV.  Damn I can see myself investing in a set of googles.... Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: allan.kidd on November 14, 2014, 10:33:30 AM
My wife would KILL me if I were to buy one of these...... :police:

However (just asking) - what models are recommended and what are the merits/faults of each?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 14, 2014, 10:52:28 AM
My wife would KILL me if I were to buy one of these...... :police:

However (just asking) - what models are recommended and what are the merits/faults of each?
Really depends upon budget and what you want to do.

My aim is using my quads as a camera platform for getting aerial footage of places I visit and I am working towards this goal, albeit slowly.

Tri-copters have a good reputation as a camera platform due to their inherent stability. This is mostly due to their largish wheelbase size (space between each motor) but this stability is also achievable is similarly sized wheel base quads and other multi-rotors in my opinion  (y6, hex, octo).

Tri-copters also have nice yaw characteristics that result in pleasing results when videoing from them. There are good examples of this on Flitetest and rcexplorer web sites.
Similar 'pleasing' yaw characteristics can also be achieved using clever flight controllers such as the APM platform with flight modes such as Drift mode.

Others will weigh in with their opinions I am sure, but again, your budget will largely dictate what you are going to be able to do.

If you are looking at videography then you would not want to consider anything less than a 350mm wheelbase quad copter. Under this size and you will struggle to get sufficient flight time and/or payload in the air (camera gimbals etc) to achieve stable video. 450mm seems pretty popular in quads for videography, but the sizes of quads can go much higher when a digital SLR camera is slung under the quad, and as the size of the camera increases (the payload), so does the cost of the multi-rotor craft.

If you are looking for a platform for a bit of fun, then there are a whole heap of different configurations to meet virtually any budget. 250mm wheel base seems to be very popular for racing with FPV.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 14, 2014, 11:56:01 AM
My wife would KILL me if I were to buy one of these...... :police:

However (just asking) - what models are recommended and what are the merits/faults of each?

Hi Allan,

When you ask which models do we recommend, are you after something that is Ready to Fly?

Reason I ask is that you really have two options, do you buy or build.  This is will be linked to both desire and budget :-)

If your looking at buying a ready to fly I'm afraid I cant offer to much other than general advice and that there are a multitude of choices and make sure you read lots of reviews......

Now if you are planning on building, then we can help you out a bit more.

Firstly you need to work out what you intend to use it for.  Like Marschy, I like to get aerial footage of places I visit, plus I find it nice and relaxing, helps to destress me after work.  I'm also taking it slowly but I'm getting more confidence with it (wishing I was at this stage when I went to Fraser in Sept).

There are a range of reasons for wanting one, from aerial photography to have a FPV racer.  Once you know what you want to do with it then you can work out which frame or frames will suit you the best.

For me the Tricopter is a good stable platform for aerial photography and allows for some fun flying.  As Marschy pointed out, it has the benefit of a yaw mechanism which limits the roll on a yaw motion and the large motor to motor distance means it is very stable.

I'll be building a quad in the future, just not yet.  I have a Bixler 2 for more graceful higher flying (still plan to stay legal though), to get a longer duration and get better video footage, maybe even try from aerial mapping too, just for fun.

Once you start your bank balance and wife will not be thanking you but hell it is a lot of fun!!

The key bit of advice that you'll need is that if you buy a Ready to Fly (RTF) that you still buy lots of spare props and landing gear.  You'll go through them.  Also buy a few spare batteries, so much better to end your flying day when you want rather than the batteries running out.

Regards,

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 14, 2014, 11:58:12 AM
The other thing to consider right up front. Get at least an 8-9 channel radio, don't much around with a 6 channel.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 14, 2014, 12:12:44 PM
The other thing to consider right up front. Get at least an 8-9 channel radio, don't much around with a 6 channel.

Couldnt agree more, I'm using more and more channels......  Using 6 currently and soon to to be 7.....

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 14, 2014, 07:38:31 PM
Emax has some really cool, excellent quality quads, hexcopters, full kits including flight control boards. You need to register to see the prices and have either an MSN or Skype account.
Here are a few of the products they have on offer. Really good prices. Yes that is an SJ4000 for $66US.

http://www.emaxmodel.com/index.asp (http://www.emaxmodel.com/index.asp)

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 14, 2014, 08:26:09 PM
Christmas is coming early -- Bit the bullet and ordered some bits n pieces including one from the above - an Emax 4 in 1 ESC ...
Went nuts and bought this http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__51425__HobbyKing_174_Alien_560_Folding_Quad_Copter_Carbon_Fiber_Version_Kit_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__51425__HobbyKing_174_Alien_560_Folding_Quad_Copter_Carbon_Fiber_Version_Kit_.html)
Going to have DJI Naza M Lite and DJI radio ( I understand how they work and very little programming required . )
So I am constructing my own quad .. I hope I get it right >>> LOL
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 15, 2014, 02:18:22 AM
Christmas is coming early -- Bit the bullet and ordered some bits n pieces including one from the above - an Emax 4 in 1 ESC ...
Went nuts and bought this http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__51425__HobbyKing_174_Alien_560_Folding_Quad_Copter_Carbon_Fiber_Version_Kit_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__51425__HobbyKing_174_Alien_560_Folding_Quad_Copter_Carbon_Fiber_Version_Kit_.html)
Going to have DJI Naza M Lite and DJI radio ( I understand how they work and very little programming required . )
So I am constructing my own quad .. I hope I get it right >>> LOL

That quad looks familiar  :cup: :cup:

What motors are you considering? Did you order your ESC's from the Emax website Mandrake? If so, what where the shipping costs like?

Your setup is going to be very similar to mine. I opted for Multistar 30 amp OPTO's, which I put in to the landing gear which is where they are designed to go on this quad. It meant having to remove the heat shrink from the ESC's and reversing the direction of the power cables which was an easy job. Otherwise the power cables come out of the ESC in the opposite direction to the holes in the frame that they feed into. You have to lengthen the power cables if you put them here anyway, so I did this to keep it as tidy as possible.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49466-1/ESC+in+landing+gear.JPG)

As you can see there is so much real estate on these quads you have heaps of choices where to mount hardware. There is ample space to mount ESC's virtually anywhere.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49468-1/ESC+wiring.jpg)

My PSU is underneath the quad, but this give you a good idea of what distance I had to lengthen the ESC power cables. The black curly loom wiring is the ESC power cables. They are waiting for a power distribution board to arrive, then they will all be neatly tucked under the battery tray which is slung under the belly of the quad.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49470-1/ESC+Power+cables+to+PSU.JPG)

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 15, 2014, 03:17:16 AM
Only got one ESC so wiring will be extended from motors to the Emax 25amp 4 in 1..Motors are Mars MX2212 920 kV..
I just hope I've got that right as am a bit worried about how the 4 in 1 will connect to Naza ??
Guess I find out later ...,LOL.
Was the frame easy to put together ?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 15, 2014, 07:59:23 AM
Only got one ESC so wiring will be extended from motors to the Emax 25amp 4 in 1..Motors are Mars MX2212 920 kV..
I just hope I've got that right as am a bit worried about how the 4 in 1 will connect to Naza ??
Guess I find out later ...,LOL.
Was the frame easy to put together ?
Just disconnect the red power lead from the BEC servo leads and the ESC will work fine with the Naza. Finding space for the ESC combo may be another issue. The combo units take up a lot of space so will probably have to go right up front on the quad. The good thing is, you have four surfaces to mount hardware, being the top and bottom of each of the carbon fibre sandwich plates. I'll leave that for you to work out, but in the meantime if you want dimensions sing out and I'll get the calipers out.

The sequence of putting it together gets a mention in the discussion thread on Hobbyking. Easy to put together, but once you have it together, just unscrew the top then you can work on it really easily, like in the second picture I posted above.

You will notice once you receive your kit that I've replaced the 14mm aluminium standoffs between the bottom of the quad and the battery tray with black nylon 20mm standoffs. You can see them in the last photo. In between that space is a great place for the PSU for the Naza and it isolates any noise from the PSU and the flight controller a bit because of the carbon fibre plate between the two. Plus I'll be putting a power distribution board in there as well (if I ever receive it that is, it's been in transit 31 days as of today).

The wire you need for extending motor leads to the ESC is 14 awg from HK.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 15, 2014, 08:41:40 AM
Thanks for the info ... Can't wait for all this to arrive now - Probably have to sell my FC40 once I get this going ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 15, 2014, 08:53:23 AM
I reckon a good investment with this hobby is getting one of these crimping tools. This size does servo leads, and at $14 well worth the money spent

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=TH1834 (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=TH1834)

(http://www.jaycar.com.au/products_uploaded/productLarge_10145.jpg)

Also get yourself at least 100+ 2.5mm cable ties. You'll find, like me, you tie something down as you are building, then you find out it's not quite in the position you want it, so you cut the cable tie and start again.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: BBwilly on November 15, 2014, 08:54:23 AM
This thread needs to locked and deleted it could end up costing me some serious $$$ in the near future  :cup:
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: BBwilly on November 15, 2014, 09:20:08 AM
Hi Allan,

When you ask which models do we recommend, are you after something that is Ready to Fly?

Reason I ask is that you really have two options, do you buy or build.  This is will be linked to both desire and budget :-)

If your looking at buying a ready to fly I'm afraid I cant offer to much other than general advice and that there are a multitude of choices and make sure you read lots of reviews......

Now if you are planning on building, then we can help you out a bit more.

Firstly you need to work out what you intend to use it for.  Like Marschy, I like to get aerial footage of places I visit, plus I find it nice and relaxing, helps to destress me after work.  I'm also taking it slowly but I'm getting more confidence with it (wishing I was at this stage when I went to Fraser in Sept).

There are a range of reasons for wanting one, from aerial photography to have a FPV racer.  Once you know what you want to do with it then you can work out which frame or frames will suit you the best.

For me the Tricopter is a good stable platform for aerial photography and allows for some fun flying.  As Marschy pointed out, it has the benefit of a yaw mechanism which limits the roll on a yaw motion and the large motor to motor distance means it is very stable.

I'll be building a quad in the future, just not yet.  I have a Bixler 2 for more graceful higher flying (still plan to stay legal though), to get a longer duration and get better video footage, maybe even try from aerial mapping too, just for fun.

Once you start your bank balance and wife will not be thanking you but hell it is a lot of fun!!

The key bit of advice that you'll need is that if you buy a Ready to Fly (RTF) that you still buy lots of spare props and landing gear.  You'll go through them.  Also buy a few spare batteries, so much better to end your flying day when you want rather than the batteries running out.

Regards,

Chris

So what would be a good starting point with building do you import from overseas etc.

When I was a young my father and I built small fly by wire planes together the type you stood in the middle and smashed it into the ground lol it was a fun time of my life with him he would read the plans and we would work together on it something I remember fondly things have changed these days but my son loves working on projects with me and is bored with his toys unless he is taking it apart or putting it back together maybe its just in the blood?

I have built CNC routers and many other things etc so nothing much I cant put my mind into doing.



Thx Willy

So some guidance would be appreciated


Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 15, 2014, 09:38:16 AM
I am an absolute num num when it comes to flying anything R/C so I bought the Phantom FC40 as a starter - It wasn't cheap but it had GPS control which means if its setup right if you let go of the sticks it stops and hovers until battery runs down then it lands all by itself ... I've had a ball with it and now I'm going to build something based on the Phantom electronics but with a bit more
capability as far as carrying camera etc ... My old FC40 will be up for sale probably early next year .. You can still get them from China and USA ..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DJI-Phantom-FC40-RC-Quadcopter-Drone-UAV-WiFi-Camera-GPS-2-RTF-Spy-Aerial-Vision-/221352102486?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item33899d0a56 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/DJI-Phantom-FC40-RC-Quadcopter-Drone-UAV-WiFi-Camera-GPS-2-RTF-Spy-Aerial-Vision-/221352102486?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item33899d0a56)
They are pretty tough - crashed mine a few times and only broke props ..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 15, 2014, 09:38:54 AM
Hello BBwilly,

If you want to build something yourself, there are two ways you can go.

1. Scratch build. Find some plans on the internet and build a tri-copter or a quadcopter out of light ply and timber booms. Heaps of plans to be found. Google is your friend. Recommend RC Explorer and Flite test web sites for sources of plans and information.
2. Kit build. Look at some of the excellent value kits that you can get from sites like eBay, Aliexpress, Goodluckbuy, Thanksbuyer. You will need some soldering skills, not too hard though. Just do a search on Aliexpress for quadcopter kit and lose a few hours while you search. There are hundreds of options, but I recommend getting a kit with a radio with at least 8 channels.

If you want to buy something that doesn't need assembly, or very little assembly, look for
1. ARF (Almost ready to fly, requires some assembly)
2. PNF (Plug and fly, plug in your own radio receiver and your ready to go)
3. BNF (Bind and fly, bind the radio to the receiver and you are ready to go, this is the most complete option)

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__592__501__Multi_Rotors_Parts-RTF_PNF_ARF.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__592__501__Multi_Rotors_Parts-RTF_PNF_ARF.html)

If you are looking for parts where you can roll your own, then Aliexpress, ebay, goodluckbuy, thanksbuyer have literally 100's of options. Some of the motor manufacturers have their own websites that offer kits, build your own parts, but as I have found, finding these sites is more a case of tripping over them as you cruise the net looking for parrts. Here is a site I found only this week.

http://www.emaxmodel.com/ (http://www.emaxmodel.com/)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 15, 2014, 09:42:10 AM


If you want to buy something that doesn't need assembly, or very little assembly, look for
1. ARF (Almost ready to fly, requires some assembly)
2. PNF (Plug and fly, plug in your own radio receiver and your ready to go)
3. BNF (Bind and fly, bind the radio to the receiver and you are ready to go, this is the most complete option)
4. RTF ( Ready to Fly ) complete kit just charge batteries and fly.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 15, 2014, 04:11:19 PM
Hey Chris,

Here are some figures from the sonar.

Its working, but not as accurately as I hoped. The higher it gets the error in the reading grows by about the same percentage. The error may be due to the quad not being level during my tests. That would probably explain why the closer it gets to the ground the more accurate the reading becomes, maybe, read on.

I've hung it from my pergola and got the following measurements:

Measured height    Sonar Height   Difference  Error %
180cm                   228cm             +48cm        +26%
124cm                   158cm             +34cm        +27%
75cm                      96cm              +21cm        +28%
45cm                      57cm              +12cm        +26% (not much to worry about at this height)

Importantly the readings seem to only move about by a centimetre or two during the test in the Mission Planner CLI. So they are pretty consistent and were probably due to the slight breeze outside moving the quad around which is hanging from a piece of string.

The sonar has a separate board with an Atmel chip on it that must be taking a reading from the HC-SR04 ultrasonic module and tweaking the reading into something the APM can read, so I'm thinking they have an error in the firmware on the sonar Atmel chip given that the error percentage seems reasonably consistent.

Or because the quad is not 100% level, the reading is taking a longer path from the trigger to the echo transducer on the ultrasonic module. I reckon there is a high probability that this is what the problem is.

I think as long as the APM software can keep up with the readings then it should be a good sonar for assisted landing. I think I read somewhere that the sonar reading is only used under 2 metres anyway, I'll check some of the forums and see if I can find where I read that.

I've gotta say, I'm very happy with the Reptile-Aphid frame. I've pulled it partially apart numerous times to put more hardware on it and as can be seen from the picture below, it has a purpose made fibre glass mini board for the sonar that is connected to the main board by standoffs. I'm going to install the Optical Flow sensor that arrived with the sonar now, then I'll give it a flight.

Cheers, Mark
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 15, 2014, 04:23:01 PM
I was thinking the other day of putting a solar panel and mini reg on the top panel of the Alien .. I'll have to work out what size and milliamps I can get .. LOL - might get a little longer in the air ??

Why do you need sonar for landing ?? Can't you land manually ?

mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 15, 2014, 04:46:12 PM
I was thinking the other day of putting a solar panel and mini reg on the top panel of the Alien .. I'll have to work out what size and milliamps I can get .. LOL - might get a little longer in the air ??

Why do you need sonar for landing ?? Can't you land manually ?

mandrake
The sonar helps with altitude hold and landing, and no, I can't land without doing some damage nearly every time I take these bloody things out for a fly, LOL.

The Max-botics sonars are accurate to 5+ metres, but they cost 5 times the cost of this sonar, sometimes more depending on where you buy them from. I have an LV-EZ4 that I bought from Spark Fun via snail mail, it's not a top of the line model, and set me back $29 using snail mail. I haven't installed it yet though. The HC-SR04 is easy to install because my quad has provision on the frame for it.

The XL-EZ4 from Maxbotics will set you back about 70-80 dollars if you get them from Spark Fun. Aliexpress sell them for over $100. Must be that the sonar module is only made by one manufacturer so they are stitching up the Chinese resellers with  retail prices only so they can't discount them more than Spark Fun and Maxbotics web sites.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 15, 2014, 10:56:16 PM
Hey Chris,

Here are some figures from the sonar.

Its working, but not as accurately as I hoped. The higher it gets the error in the reading grows by about the same percentage. The error may be due to the quad not being level during my tests. That would probably explain why the closer it gets to the ground the more accurate the reading becomes, maybe, read on.

I've hung it from my pergola and got the following measurements:

Measured height    Sonar Height   Difference  Error %
180cm                   228cm             +48cm        +26%
124cm                   158cm             +34cm        +27%
75cm                      96cm              +21cm        +28%
45cm                      57cm              +12cm        +26% (not much to worry about at this height)

Importantly the readings seem to only move about by a centimetre or two during the test in the Mission Planner CLI. So they are pretty consistent and were probably due to the slight breeze outside moving the quad around which is hanging from a piece of string.

The sonar has a separate board with an Atmel chip on it that must be taking a reading from the HC-SR04 ultrasonic module and tweaking the reading into something the APM can read, so I'm thinking they have an error in the firmware on the sonar Atmel chip given that the error percentage seems reasonably consistent.

Or because the quad is not 100% level, the reading is taking a longer path from the trigger to the echo transducer on the ultrasonic module. I reckon there is a high probability that this is what the problem is.

I think as long as the APM software can keep up with the readings then it should be a good sonar for assisted landing. I think I read somewhere that the sonar reading is only used under 2 metres anyway, I'll check some of the forums and see if I can find where I read that.

I've gotta say, I'm very happy with the Reptile-Aphid frame. I've pulled it partially apart numerous times to put more hardware on it and as can be seen from the picture below, it has a purpose made fibre glass mini board for the sonar that is connected to the main board by standoffs. I'm going to install the Optical Flow sensor that arrived with the sonar now, then I'll give it a flight.

Cheers, Mark

Hi Mark,

To be out by 25% each time you'd need to mounted non square by a reasonable amount I'd have thought?  If it is firmware that would be a little disappointing.  I'll have to check out mine when it arrives.

I think there is a sonar max height, which is the 60% of the normal max range of the particular sonar.  If it's below that height and it's getting a reading then it uses it as the height.  So if even if it's out by 25% it should still be good.

Now the wait time for mine to arrive, sigh.....

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 15, 2014, 11:02:35 PM
The sonar helps with altitude hold and landing, and no, I can't land without doing some damage nearly every time I take these bloody things out for a fly, LOL.

Try landing in ALTHOLD or Loiter mode and you should land fairly easily without any damage.  I do so if the wind is gusty, just to make sure there is a level of redundancy.  Happy to say, landings are not my issue.  I have more failures and damage on takeoff's - from my landing gear getting stuck on grass.....

I had a catastrophic failure on a quick flight I did on Friday night.  I broke an arm.  At the time I thought I had thrown a motor as I found one disconnected on the ground next to it.  On review of the video footage the motor I thought I lost I hadnt as it flipped in the opposite direction, so I dont know what went wrong.....  Funny thing was I was only the air for a short time, I traveled 40m and then it happened.

After I finish delivering this floodboat course on Sunday I'll try to make the repairs (broken boom and one bullet connector was ripped off) and hopefully there will be some clear sky's next week.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 16, 2014, 06:23:39 AM
Hi Mark,

To be out by 25% each time you'd need to mounted non square by a reasonable amount I'd have thought?  If it is firmware that would be a little disappointing.  I'll have to check out mine when it arrives.

I think there is a sonar max height, which is the 60% of the normal max range of the particular sonar.  If it's below that height and it's getting a reading then it uses it as the height.  So if even if it's out by 25% it should still be good.

Now the wait time for mine to arrive, sigh.....

Regards,

Chris
I think once you receive your sonar and run some tests if the results are similar to mine it will indicate the firmware on the sonar as the culprit. I tried other sonars in Mission Planner (XL, XXL etc), they gave the same result, so it's not an MP firmware issue. I am going to try changing the sonar gain in MP today and see if that makes a difference.

The good thing is, for $15 they work.

I didn't end up putting the filter suggested on the arducopter website on the power cable. The sonar is supplied with a 3 wire servo cable which I wrapped a narrow piece of alfoil around then I wrapped that with spiral wrap tube to provide some shielding. I've used the same stuff on all the video cabling as well, it works really well.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on November 16, 2014, 01:01:46 PM
When landing in bad areas or windy conditions I hover my copter just above head height and the catch it before lowering the throttle for auto shutdown.
Regards
Crispy


Sent using fat fingers on the iPad thingy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 16, 2014, 01:03:16 PM
When landing in bad areas or windy conditions I hover my copter just above head height and the catch it before lowering the throttle for auto shutdown.
Regards
Crispy


Sent using fat fingers on the iPad thingy
I'll have to give that a go.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: D4D on November 17, 2014, 05:44:17 AM
Oops :)

http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/mt-martha-woman-snapped-sunbaking-in-gstring-by-real-estate-drone/story-fnii5sms-1227124892062 (http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/mt-martha-woman-snapped-sunbaking-in-gstring-by-real-estate-drone/story-fnii5sms-1227124892062)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 17, 2014, 05:51:55 AM
Oops :)

http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/mt-martha-woman-snapped-sunbaking-in-gstring-by-real-estate-drone/story-fnii5sms-1227124892062 (http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/mt-martha-woman-snapped-sunbaking-in-gstring-by-real-estate-drone/story-fnii5sms-1227124892062)

I wouldn't be surprised if these real estate agents don't have the appropriate license for operating a drone for commercial purposes.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 17, 2014, 05:53:20 AM
If I was her I would sue them .
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 17, 2014, 03:13:53 PM
If I was her I would sue them .

Why, what for?, what level of expectation of privacy does she have in her backyard?  The image of her is not exactly detailed now is it?  She admitted she was aware the drone was there, so its down to her not understanding what it can do, had she known then she would have retreated indoors.  The backyard is not exactly a private location anymore, any planes flying over could have gotten a much higher quality image than what we saw and operate at a much higher alt (such that she may not have realised it's doing aerial photography).  I have reasonable sized fences but I don't treat my yard as a private area anymore, I know that neighbors on their balconies can see in.

I think the question at hand here is was the person a licensed operator?

At least he is willing to blur it our for her and that will meet the privacy test.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 17, 2014, 03:19:47 PM
Common courtesy would have been to advise the neighbours that an aerial camera would be used tomorrow. Then its her fault if she gets caught out.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 17, 2014, 03:40:57 PM
Common courtesy would have been to advise the neighbours that an aerial camera would be used tomorrow. Then its her fault if she gets caught out.

Yes I agree that would have been nice, but no legal need to notify them so cant really sue them.  How far should he have notified?  Everyone has a different definition of a reasonable distance (would you say every property that can be seen, or just the immediate neighbor?  What I think is ok, may not be okay for someone else.

Now once it was noticed she was sunbathing, if he'd then hovered over her for further specific shots then sure she might have some argument but in this instance I think it would be covered as an unintentional intrusion and perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 17, 2014, 03:43:48 PM
Why did she go to the media to let the world know that the person in the photo was her?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: D4D on November 17, 2014, 05:22:25 PM
These guys took the pics http://www.skyrobot.com.au/ (http://www.skyrobot.com.au/)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 17, 2014, 05:35:45 PM
The story from the women's perspective doesn't make sense. If she was embarrassed by the photos, she was obviously placated enough by the media for them to publish them to a much wider audience, otherwise wouldn't the media be complicit in her embarrassment as well?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: WilSurf on November 17, 2014, 05:55:33 PM
I did some googling and came across this thing: https://www.airdog.com/ (https://www.airdog.com/)

That seems very handy.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: DarWen on November 17, 2014, 07:44:01 PM
Just saw the story on ACA, one camera angle from the backyard over her shoulder you could clearly see through the chainwire fence out to the road. not very private in my eyes.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 17, 2014, 07:47:46 PM
Ahhhh, ACA, quality journalism, not. I can't remember the last time I watched that show.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 17, 2014, 08:03:50 PM
Read the comments from readers on the Herald Sun, most of them echo what I'm saying.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mt-martha-woman-snapped-sunbaking-in-gstring-by-real-estate-drone/story-fni0fit3-1227124892062#itm=newscomau%7Cnews%7Cncam-story-body-link%7C3%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fnews%2Fvictoria%2Fmt-martha-woman-snapped-sunbaking-in-gstring-by-real-estate-drone%2Fstory-fni0fit3-1227124892062%7Cstory%7CMum%26%238217%3Bs%20topless%20sunbake%20ends%20in%20ad%20nightmare&itmt=1416218426073 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mt-martha-woman-snapped-sunbaking-in-gstring-by-real-estate-drone/story-fni0fit3-1227124892062#itm=newscomau%7Cnews%7Cncam-story-body-link%7C3%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fnews%2Fvictoria%2Fmt-martha-woman-snapped-sunbaking-in-gstring-by-real-estate-drone%2Fstory-fni0fit3-1227124892062%7Cstory%7CMum%26%238217%3Bs%20topless%20sunbake%20ends%20in%20ad%20nightmare&itmt=1416218426073)

The comments by 'Diane' are truly whackadoodle cr@p. She sounds as though she is a politician or a councillor with an election agenda. The accusations she is making about people who fly drones are offensive as she is suggesting that anyone and everyone who flies a drone is a pervert with plans to kidnap your children. She obviously knows 2/5 of stuff all about drones with her ignorant comments.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 18, 2014, 03:02:22 PM
Read the comments from readers on the Herald Sun, most of them echo what I'm saying.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mt-martha-woman-snapped-sunbaking-in-gstring-by-real-estate-drone/story-fni0fit3-1227124892062#itm=newscomau%7Cnews%7Cncam-story-body-link%7C3%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fnews%2Fvictoria%2Fmt-martha-woman-snapped-sunbaking-in-gstring-by-real-estate-drone%2Fstory-fni0fit3-1227124892062%7Cstory%7CMum%26%238217%3Bs%20topless%20sunbake%20ends%20in%20ad%20nightmare&itmt=1416218426073 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mt-martha-woman-snapped-sunbaking-in-gstring-by-real-estate-drone/story-fni0fit3-1227124892062#itm=newscomau%7Cnews%7Cncam-story-body-link%7C3%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fnews%2Fvictoria%2Fmt-martha-woman-snapped-sunbaking-in-gstring-by-real-estate-drone%2Fstory-fni0fit3-1227124892062%7Cstory%7CMum%26%238217%3Bs%20topless%20sunbake%20ends%20in%20ad%20nightmare&itmt=1416218426073)

The comments by 'Diane' are truly whackadoodle cr@p. She sounds as though she is a politician or a councillor with an election agenda. The accusations she is making about people who fly drones are offensive as she is suggesting that anyone and everyone who flies a drone is a pervert with plans to kidnap your children. She obviously knows 2/5 of stuff all about drones with her ignorant comments.


Yep she is absolutely crazy, I love how people think just because they dont like something that they can sue for it.  The world dont work that way.  There so many on the comments that are thinking like her, that really worries me.  What do people think, it's absolutely amazing.  Again it's covered under the common law unintentional intrusion, so really its a lot of noise about nothing.  I cant believe channel 7 has given so much coverage.

I find it absolutely amazing how she see's everyone as perverts.  It's people like her that give dads like me the evil eye when you take your daughter to the bathroom, I like to smile back to those people (I feel sorry for them, what a sad reality they live in).  I really think that there is a set of society that are so willing to give everything up to feel safer then in reality they gain nothing and lose so much.   Seems people like to be over regulated.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 18, 2014, 03:10:44 PM
Back to "reality" now ---
Just found and bought this Remzibi OSD for Naza M Lite !!!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251714574158?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251714574158?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)

Hopefully this will prevent me from letting that electric smoke out .... Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 18, 2014, 03:20:28 PM
Back to "reality" now ---
Just found and bought this Remzibi OSD for Naza M Lite !!!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251714574158?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251714574158?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)

Hopefully this will prevent me from letting that electric smoke out .... Mandrake


Are you sure, it looks like it has just as many wires if not more than anything else!  That looks like a magic white smoke generator to me.

I hope that it's forgiving if you get a few wrong :-)  I'll say good luck on that one.....

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 18, 2014, 03:21:43 PM
Are you sure, it looks like it has just as many wires if not more than anything else!  That looks like a magic white smoke generator to me.

I hope that it's forgiving if you get a few wrong :-)  I'll say good luck on that one.....

Chris

I forgot to say the OSD screen looks good though.  I love having all the data at hand.  Will be good to see some footage with it all working :-)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 18, 2014, 03:23:26 PM
Seeing it working is a long way away ... Got to build it - first I got to get all the bits n pieces here ... Happy Christmas to me ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 18, 2014, 03:57:00 PM
Seeing it working is a long way away ... Got to build it - first I got to get all the bits n pieces here ... Happy Christmas to me ...

LOL, I know the feeling, took me a while to get everything wired up how I want it.  I'm hoping my sonar will arrive soon.

Hmmm, Christmas...... I'm thinking I'll be spending some time flying these holidays......  I have 4 sets of 3s 5000mah batts so I should get around 60-70 mins of flying time (combined flights not in one flight) plus a bit extra when I pair up some 2200mah batts.  Hoping I can find somewhere to fly the bixler 2!  Need somewhere bigger than my local park.....  I think there is another nearby park that might work.

I'm thinking of buying the parts for a small quad for Christmas, thinking it would be a great present from my wife......  Not sure what she will think of that :-)  Otherwise I'll need to give myself a present....

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 18, 2014, 04:04:19 PM
Hello Mandrake,

Pity Naza Lite does not support iOSD. But the outlay may cause a divorce if my wife ever finds out how much I paid for the Naza M V2 plus iOSD and BTU.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 18, 2014, 04:06:40 PM
Know what ya mean - Thats why I went with the Lite ... If I get confident I can always swap it over with the Phantom ( Naza M V2 ) .. But I gots to stops blowings things ups !!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 18, 2014, 04:08:57 PM
The iOSD is about $80
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 19, 2014, 07:49:40 PM
The Alien landed today - Started the assembly - Seems fairly simple so far .. BUT .. I got a couple of extra panels and tubes that are not mentioned in the assembly guide - The two poles are for the gimbal .. What about the 2 plates ?? Any Ideas Marschy ?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 19, 2014, 09:01:14 PM
The smaller plate goes on the top using the four long standoffs over the centre of the top sandwich plate., effectively over where your flight control board goes. Photo's on Hobbyking site would suggest it is where you mount your video transmitter and antenna.

The larger rectangular plate is slung under the bottom sandwich plate using the six short aluminium standoffs, which in this photo I have replaced with 20mm nylon standoffs. It favours the rear of the frame to allow a battery to be hung under the belly and balance the frame when a gimbal is put on the front rails. I've put the PSU inbetween the bottom sandwich plate and the battery plate. A power distribution board will also be put into the same space.

The second photo shows how I am going to mount the FPV camera on the front rails using a Tarot gimbal mount.

The third photo shows how I have mounted the rails inbetween the sandwich plates, because the gimbal couldn't be place far enough back on the rails without the mounting plate of the gimbal hitting the bottom sandwich plate. Moving the rails inside the sandwich plate now makes the mounting plate sit underneath the bottom sandwich plate.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 19, 2014, 10:14:07 PM
I'm thinking of buying the parts for a small quad for Christmas, thinking it would be a great present from my wife......  Not sure what she will think of that :-)  Otherwise I'll need to give myself a present....

Started my shopping list for my 50th birthday in the new year.

ZMR250, which gets touted as a Blackout Mini-H knockoff. Different geometry, but the way the frame is put together is certainly similar to the Blackout. Well actually similar is an understatement. I would say criminally similar, i.e. design is 100% pilfered. But $26.09 US for a ZMR250 frame from China compared to $149 US for a blackout frame, hmmmm. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Blackout-QAV250-Carbon-Fiber-Mini-250-FPV-Quadcopter-Frame-Unassembled/2004383973.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Blackout-QAV250-Carbon-Fiber-Mini-250-FPV-Quadcopter-Frame-Unassembled/2004383973.html), I'm 'M***k S' on the Transaction History and Feedback list on page 3 of the listing, still waiting for it to arrive. (gotta cut up my credit card, this is getting ridiculous).

(http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_327429_1.jpg)

I'm putting Emax MT1806 2280kv motors and Emax 12A SimonK ESC's on it, with an APM Mini V3.1 and GPS and minimOSD. I'm going to drive this with a Mobius for FPV and recording and not bother with a dedicated FPV camera. There's no room for a gimbal anyway, so I don't see the point in having two cameras. I've ordered the motors and ESC's and have an OrangeRX R615X CPPM receiver on the way to cut down on the wiring. The mini APM and minimOSD and camera will have to wait until the new year.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 20, 2014, 12:53:16 PM
Started my shopping list for my 50th birthday in the new year.

ZMR250, which gets touted as a Blackout Mini-H knockoff. Different geometry, but the way the frame is put together is certainly similar to the Blackout. Well actually similar is an understatement. I would say criminally similar, i.e. design is 100% pilfered. But $26.09 US for a ZMR250 frame from China compared to $149 US for a blackout frame, hmmmm. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Blackout-QAV250-Carbon-Fiber-Mini-250-FPV-Quadcopter-Frame-Unassembled/2004383973.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Blackout-QAV250-Carbon-Fiber-Mini-250-FPV-Quadcopter-Frame-Unassembled/2004383973.html), I'm 'M***k S' on the Transaction History and Feedback list on page 3 of the listing, still waiting for it to arrive. (gotta cut up my credit card, this is getting ridiculous).

(http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_327429_1.jpg)

I'm putting Emax MT1806 2280kv motors and Emax 12A SimonK ESC's on it, with an APM Mini V3.1 and GPS and minimOSD. I'm going to drive this with a Mobius for FPV and recording and not bother with a dedicated FPV camera. There's no room for a gimbal anyway, so I don't see the point in having two cameras. I've ordered the motors and ESC's and have an OrangeRX R615X CPPM receiver on the way to cut down on the wiring. The mini APM and minimOSD and camera will have to wait until the new year.


Looks good to me, I know the feeling.  I cant wait to start on a quad......  But I made an agreement with myself, that I was only allowed to buy spares for my 2 craft until I have logged another 4 hours of flight.  I've done really well, I only bought 2 additional batteries in that time, so I'm doing well.  Well with the exception of the sonar which I thought I had bought but hadn't, it's one bit of kit that I'm really looking forward to playing with.

I plan to get another hour of flights in on the weekend. So I should hit my 4 hours soon, I've acrued 1.5 hours in Exmaps (since I started using it) and I had about 1 hour before I started using it, so I may hit it next week :-)

I cut my replacement front arm last night.  On closer inspection the last crash did a break more than I thought.  Luckily all the electronics are ok, so it turns out it broke the plywood electronics tray, the arm, bend the music wire that holds the camera tray and the camera tray mounts.  I've checked the motor that came off and it seems to function correctly, it just has one shorter wire now.....

So I'm redesigning it to not use anymore balsawood, it just gave in the crash which was good and bad.  I think that the music wire would have bend and absorbed most of the energy when it struck the ground.  Wire is easy to bend, I hate having to cut wood and glue it all up..... 

So now I need to disassemble most of the extra bits (camera tray and electronics tray), luckily the main frame didnt suffer any damage at all.  Not bad for a prototype I cut out of some scrap plywood I had lying around.  I did plan to make it out of carbon fibre but so far I'm liking the plywood.

I've got a plan to reinforce where the GPS mast goes as it is the item that breaks whenever it flips over.....   Currently it's just a small drill hole in the electronics tray (3mm ply) and some balsawood for depth.  I think I'll swap the balsawood for some 1.2mm x 1.2mm pine (same stuff I use on the arms), so reinforce it a bit.

I've got some fixing to do tonight so I can be ready for the weekend!!

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 20, 2014, 03:02:43 PM
Chris, have you considered spruce for the boom arms? This was/is the go to timber for spars in fixed wing RC aircraft.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: D4D on November 21, 2014, 07:15:57 AM
Another oops...

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/drone-crashes-into-canning-vale-house-20141120-11qqa5.html (http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/drone-crashes-into-canning-vale-house-20141120-11qqa5.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 21, 2014, 07:36:34 AM
That looks like an expensive rig. It's a hex by the look of the frame, but there appears to be two arms missing.

I think its illegal to fly these at night regardless of whether you are licensed or not. I hope they catch the twit and throw the book at him.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Peterr on November 21, 2014, 07:48:29 AM
Hope someone's unplugged the lipo by now!!

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 21, 2014, 07:49:19 AM
Good point
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 21, 2014, 08:32:01 AM
I have this story on Facebook and the "hole" in the ceiling it supposedly came through ( after going through the roof tiles or colorbond ??? )
is about the size of a fist -- Certainly not big enough to get that quad through ... Its BS ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 21, 2014, 08:32:56 AM
My Alien frame is now complete and waiting on the electronics - Here's a pic next to the Phantom ... Its a wee bit bigger ....
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/20/684e5baa0b2d505f9b50a6f6d96ea6c3.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 21, 2014, 08:38:36 AM
I have this story on Facebook and the "hole" in the ceiling it supposedly came through ( after going through the roof tiles or colorbond ??? )
is about the size of a fist -- Certainly not big enough to get that quad through ... Its BS ...
It's no wonder then why quadcopters are such an emotive topic. The media try to get as much mileage out of each story that they can to the extent where crucial information is not supplied in a story which helps sensationalise it.

Unfortunately I think the hobby is going to get an undeserved hiding.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 21, 2014, 08:43:36 AM
My Alien frame is now complete and waiting on the electronics - Here's a pic next to the Phantom ... Its a wee bit bigger ....
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/20/684e5baa0b2d505f9b50a6f6d96ea6c3.jpg)

Should have seen mine with the Tarot motor mounts on it before I trimmed 52mm off each arm. It made the wheel base over 650mm. It was huge.

Nice frame aren't they? Heaps of space to mount everything. I have a crab landing gear sitting in it's box in anticipation of the landing gear snapping off. It's quite common apparently.

What gimbal are you contemplating?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 21, 2014, 09:16:16 AM
Chris, have you considered spruce for the boom arms? This was/is the go to timber for spars in fixed wing RC aircraft.

Hi Marschy,

I'm using pine for the arms.  As I understand Spruce is just a type of pine (norway pine?)......  Yes it is very strong, flexible and nice to work with, I did look into it but it's limited in supply options from what I can see.  I think this is only the 3rd time I've taken an arm out and they are cheap.  I get 3 arms to a 1.2m length for around $3.  Plus with timber this cheap I can change the length around and get a completely different feel for it.  I've using 40cm long arms so that I get a nice stable flight.  I could shrink this down to 25-30cm and get a much more nimble machine.  As a plus any broken arms are used to construct my landing gear :-)

It was a hard crash, I was going about 35km/h and it fell from about 4m up......  I'm surprised I didnt damage the plywood frame that I've got.  I don't think spruce would hold up to that either.

Sadly I had to leave some of the balsawood in place, they hold the music wires in place on the pine parts.  Tried to cut small bits of ply, not an easy task......  I was looking at it last night as I started to fix it all and decided I was going to revamp it so it's modular like my electronics tray (I love nylon bolts, great for attaching stuff and not paying the weight penalty).  But that involves moving where the music wire is currently placed, so that will be a weekend project (after I get flying for an hour).  I have it mostly reassembled, I just need to bolt the camera tray back on (plus the cameras) and cable tie the ESC and motor back on.  So all toll this this accident cost me about an hour or two of my time.  The mount for the GPS is now reinforced, I'll be pissed if I break it now...... 

I think I've added about 20g of weight to it by replacing some of the balsawood with pine but it will be much stronger.

So i've been looking at the footage from last Friday and reviewing the logs.....

I'm still not sure what happened though....  When it was flying I thought I saw the right motor separate from the airframe, however on the video footage I can clearly see that the right side just randomly went up, and it flipped over, almost back into a level position and then straight into the ground.  I cannot see the motor come away in the footage but it was separated from the frame when it hit the ground.  RC in on that channel shows no command for that.  Also the rollin log entries show no change but the roll certainly changed, so it didnt intend it that is for sure.  I'm wondering if a cable tie broke on the motor mount and it was wobbly?

All the footage I used was from the ground, the SD card on board were corrupted due to a loss of power.  My bad, I forgot to hit stop recording before I pulled the power plug.

Would love to know why, sometimes having the data logs can be helpful other times they still leave you scratching your head.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 21, 2014, 09:19:18 AM
That looks like an expensive rig. It's a hex by the look of the frame, but there appears to be two arms missing.

I think its illegal to fly these at night regardless of whether you are licensed or not. I hope they catch the twit and throw the book at him.

Definitely illegal to fly at night at this stage, no RPA is allowed to fly at night (hobby or commercial).

Unless CASA issued an exemption for this flight but given no owner has come forward I'd say they didn't.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 21, 2014, 01:41:12 PM


What gimbal are you contemplating?


Have bought a pair of Tarot brackets to hang a GBC 2D gimbal ( same as on the Phantom ) ..
http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6363561248.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6363561248.html)]http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6363561248.html
Just ordered some extra hardware - M2.5x6 screws , M3x6 screws and some 35mm and 50mm standoffs ...
WILL IT EVER END ????? Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 21, 2014, 02:24:29 PM
Have bought a pair of Tarot brackets to hang a GBC 2D gimbal ( same as on the Phantom ) ..
http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6363561248.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6363561248.html)]http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6363561248.html
Just ordered some extra hardware - M2.5x6 screws , M3x6 screws and some 35mm and 50mm standoffs ...
WILL IT EVER END ????? Steve

They are the same hooks that I bought separately that I use for the FPV camera. I've seen pictures of them in use with cable ties on them on the gimbal rails to make sure they don't come off easily, makes sense I suppose.

I going to hack my 2 axis GBC gimbal to make an inline gimbal for my Reptile Aphid which currently has a single axis tilt gimbal driven by a servo. I'll remove the anti-vibration plates from the GBC gimbal and mount the motor directly onto the front of the Reptile. I have 4 spare motor mounts from the Alien 560 so I'm going to use one of them for mounting the roll motor and I'll use some aluminium angle to make some vibration ball mounts. Then I'll use the damper balls from the GBC gimbal between the aluminium angle and the sandwich plates on the reptile. I'll post up some pictures once I get it underway.

I fried the first GBC control board and replaced it with another, only to stuff the second board up by reflashing it with Alexmos firmware. I've since replaced the second GBC control board with a Tarot ZZXY board only to find that when trying to get the reflashed Alexmos control board to work, I fried the roll motor on the GBC gimbal, crikey it never ends.

So, as soon as I receive the replacement motors I ordered, along with the new Tarot control board I already have, I will see if I can get the hacked GBC gimbal working again. What was a cheap gimbal has now cost me a fair bit of money, arrrrg. Because the Reptile Aphid doesn't have crab landing gear I'm trying to make an inline gimbal with the bits and pieces I already have. BMSWEB on youtube has done something similar and has made a couple of videos showing off it's performance, and has indicated that he will make a video of how he made it (still waiting for it), but I have a pretty good idea how to do it. The only problem I envisage with doing this is tuning it. It can be a real PITA tuning gimbals from scratch, as I have found out.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Signature035 on November 21, 2014, 04:58:35 PM

Could I ask an opinion on the Quanum Nova FPV GPS Waypoint QuadCopter (Mode 1 or 2) (Ready to Fly) ......as an entry level Quad.

http://hobbyking.com.au/hobbyking/store/__55105__Quanum_Nova_FPV_GPS_Waypoint_QuadCopter_Mode_1_Ready_to_Fly_.html (http://hobbyking.com.au/hobbyking/store/__55105__Quanum_Nova_FPV_GPS_Waypoint_QuadCopter_Mode_1_Ready_to_Fly_.html)

Thoughts really appreciated.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 21, 2014, 05:07:51 PM
Just an opinion as I don't own one, but for what it's worth, I think they are fantastic value for what you pay. They use Arducopter firmware which I am familiar with. Very clever software. Flying weight is pretty low at 875g so the battery power should be OK. 7 channel radio included in the price which will do everything you probably need to do for a starter quad, but that is something that can be upgraded down the track.

Read some of the forums to gauge what others think of the quad, but I'd buy one if I was in the market for a ready to fly.

I think the strong point with these products from Hobbyking is the spare parts that back up the product. If it goes into the deck, at least you know you can repair it, and from the prices of parts, pretty cheaply.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 21, 2014, 08:15:03 PM
Could I ask an opinion on the Quanum Nova FPV GPS Waypoint QuadCopter (Mode 1 or 2) (Ready to Fly) ......as an entry level Quad.

http://hobbyking.com.au/hobbyking/store/__55105__Quanum_Nova_FPV_GPS_Waypoint_QuadCopter_Mode_1_Ready_to_Fly_.html (http://hobbyking.com.au/hobbyking/store/__55105__Quanum_Nova_FPV_GPS_Waypoint_QuadCopter_Mode_1_Ready_to_Fly_.html)

Thoughts really appreciated.


I haven't used this particular model but for that cost for an RTF, I'd say if you arent a build it type then I'd say go for one of these.  I'd suggest going for a mode 2 radio if you can, just that mode 1 is not very common (even here in Aus - which mode in the US think we use...)

Just read Marschy's reply, I agree with what he's saying.  Good access to spares, ready do go.  Note the charger is a US plug, so I'd invest in another LiPo charger, plus a Lipo bag to charge it in too.

I'd also pick up a few extra batteries too.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Signature035 on November 22, 2014, 07:13:07 AM
Thanks Marschy & CBRK,  I have no idea, and thinking it might be a bit of fun over Christmas....
Like the idea of buying something with a bit of quality, not just a toy.
Just looked, Is Hobbyking not in Oz?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 22, 2014, 07:16:38 AM
Thanks Marschy & CBRK,  I have no idea, and thinking it might be a bit of fun over Christmas....
Like the idea of buying something with a bit of quality, not just a toy.
Just looked, Is Hobbyking not in Oz?
They have a Melbourne warehouse, and soon a Sydney one. But some products, like the Quanum Nova you can only purchase through the international warehouse which is in Hong Kong. Postage at this time of the year is slow because of lots of stuff going through customs, so if you want it for Xmas, you may have already missed the boat.

Cheers, Marschy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on November 22, 2014, 07:26:37 AM

They have a Melbourne warehouse, and soon a Sydney one. But some products, like the Quanum Nova you can only purchase through the international warehouse which is in Hong Kong. Postage at this time of the year is slow because of lots of stuff going through customs, so if you want it for Xmas, you may have already missed the boat.

Cheers, Marschy
I think the oz warehouse is in NSW South Coast near batemans bay. I had to return something and that is where I sent it.
But still it is in oz.
Regards
Crispy


Sent using fat fingers on the iPad thingy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 22, 2014, 07:30:57 AM
You would also have to order the one without the battery as most carriers nowadays won't ship LiPo batteries from overseas. You will need to make two orders, one for the quad below, and another for the battery from the Australia warehouse. You'll find the batteries in the accessories list

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__55108__Quanum_Nova_FPV_GPS_Waypoint_QuadCopter_w_out_Battery_Mode_2_Ready_to_Fly_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__55108__Quanum_Nova_FPV_GPS_Waypoint_QuadCopter_w_out_Battery_Mode_2_Ready_to_Fly_.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 22, 2014, 09:13:24 AM
My friendly Auspost contractor turned up again today (yep Saturday again). This time with an early Xmas present.

The EMAX MT3506 650Kv motors. A less expensive clone of the Tiger Motor equivalent. They are CW and CCW spinners, hence the different colour prop nuts.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49498-1/EMAX+MT3506+650Kv.JPG)

Comparison in size to the NTM 2830 800Kv motor

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49500-1/EMAX+MT3506+650Kv+vs+NTM+2830+800Kv.JPG)

And they fit nicely on the new Tarot motor mounts. They can fit on the original mounts, but these mounts have rubber anti-vibration screws between the carbon fibre plate and the aluminium mount to remove some of the vibration between the motor and the frame. All for the purpose of jello free video

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49502-1/EMAX+MT3506+650Kv+Tarot+TL68B33.JPG)

And the start of my hack job on the GBC gimbal. I have removed the housing and mounting frame from the roll motor, and attached it directly to a carbon fibre motor mount that I pinched from the Alien. I will make some brackets out of aluminium to which anti-vibration rubber balls will be mounted onto, which in turn will attach to the frame of my F450. I am going to make a fibre glass adapter plate to secure it to the frame. I want to get rid of the crab landing gear, so I need the gimbal to not hang under the frame anymore. Then I'll need to find some space to mount the control board.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49504-1/GBC+Gimbal+Hack.JPG)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 22, 2014, 08:32:17 PM
Done as much as I can now until more parts arrive. I've been waiting nearly 40 days for a power distribution board, I may have to bite the bullet and order by express post.

Just a bit of wiring to go then it will be ready for a flight.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 22, 2014, 08:34:37 PM
Have you got the receiver in yet ?? Just wondering where you placed it and the antenna/s ??
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 22, 2014, 09:01:25 PM
Have you got the receiver in yet ?? Just wondering where you placed it and the antenna/s ??

Yes, mounted behind the Naza flight controller. The cables between the flight controller and the receiver have been shortened using my crimping tool and new servo connectors from Hobbyking.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49506-1/OrangeRX+Receiver+and+Satellite.JPG)

The receiver is a dual satellite receiver, I have installed one satellite so far and I have another on order. This is highly recommended for carbon fibre frames, so I'm playing it safe. The first satellite is mounted on the left rear leg, and once the other one arrives it will be mounted as far forward as possible.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49508-1/Pen+Tube+antenna.JPG)

I just used a biro ink tube that I emptied, messy job but works. The zip ties hold the pen tube in really well. The electronics for the satellite are wrapped in glad wrap then alfoil then finally heat shrink to shield the receiver. A bit of hot glue hold the antenna horizontally, but prop wash will stuff that up.

The receiver antenna just hangs under the belly with the unshielded part of the antenna clear of the biro tube.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 23, 2014, 09:13:30 AM
Sad Bad morning !! Phantom flew off - Went searching with video receiver and my Loc8tor - Nil Nada Gone ... Now can only rely on
someone finding it and reading the reward sticker with my mobile number ... Bugger !! Fingers are crossed ... Trouble is the direction it went off in is 50% house roofs so every possibility its up on someones roof within 500 metres of my home point ... God damn ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 23, 2014, 09:16:13 AM
Sad Bad morning !! Phantom flew off - Went searching with video receiver and my Loc8tor - Nil Nada Gone ... Now can only rely on
someone finding it and reading the reward sticker with my mobile number ... Bugger !! Fingers are crossed ... Trouble is the direction it went off in is 50% house roofs so every possibility its up on someones roof within 500 metres of my home point ... God damn ...
That not good. Did you have GPS lock before take-off? Shows how important an OSD with a ground station DVR is so you can record GPS location. Best of luck finding it.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 23, 2014, 09:19:24 AM
A bit lost myself as I had both GPS and Homepoint locks established before take off and it refused to take any notice of the failsafe command .. I lost orientation and then lost sight of it for a second and it was gone ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 23, 2014, 09:21:20 AM
A bit lost myself as I had both GPS and Homepoint locks established before take off and it refused to take any notice of the failsafe command .. I lost orientation and then lost sight of it for a second and it was gone ...
The DJI Naza M V2 has a habit of this. Are you going to take this up with DJI?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 23, 2014, 09:23:30 AM
Don't think so .. its been working OK up til now.. plus I have modified it a bit...good job I am building the alien ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 23, 2014, 09:25:43 AM
Got me worried now. I am going to see if I can find the DJI video that gives advice on how to avoid this problem.

Did it head off determinedly in one direction?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 23, 2014, 09:28:40 AM
I think I had control up to a point but without FPV I didn't know which way it was pointing and it looked like every time I moved the sticks it went away from me even when I had selected home lock and hit the full throttle reverse ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 23, 2014, 09:33:41 AM
Did you have the latest firmware. It automatically goes into failsafe if transmitter signal is lost for more than 10 seconds. It's seems the most important issue is updating firmware then recalibration to fix up the known issues with fly aways.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 23, 2014, 09:36:15 AM
Yep.. as I said it was fine a few days ago...my fault for flying too far from me..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 23, 2014, 09:38:31 AM
Well, here's hoping you get it back. Lesson's learned with these things are rarely an inexpensive one unfortunatley.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on November 23, 2014, 09:09:20 PM
Looks like this weekend hasn't gone well for me either.... After fixing up my Tricopter from the previous week, I took it down to a different local park to the one I go to.  Good news was I met another guy who walked up as i was setting up, he asked if he could share the airspace.  I had no issues and he started setting up.
 
I took off and all was good - new site is very turbulent but manageable (tri was going bouncing from flat to up to 30 degree lean to the side to hold position on loiter), I flew around for a while without any issues.  After around 10mins for some reason as I was flying I had the same problem as last time, the left motor seemed to drop and it rolled upside down and fell 4m to the ground.  Almost made it around again but the rear hit the ground first.  So I should be able to flip in about 6m, say 10m with a bit of leeway (not that this is an acro platform).

Broke the tail boom this time and the camera tray again, grrrrrr.....  So now I have more repairs to make....  I needed to pull it apart to put my new method of attaching the battery tray.  I plan to reverse some of the bolts so it's easier to detach parts in the future, just wish I had more time between the last fix and this one.....

Given I've had that same side drop in catastrophic failures twice now, I plan to replace the motor and esc in that location....  I'll have to bench test them to see which one is the guilty culprit....

On a plus I have my airfame and electronics, I feel for you Mandrake, nothing worse than loosing an airframe.  Another plus is that I also might have a flying buddy which will be good.

I have abandoned my buying embargo, since it will take a few nights to fix it all up again.  So I will start purchasing the quad parts next week, thinking  of a small 250 size, but may go one up from there, haven't decided yet.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 24, 2014, 07:50:27 AM
I've splashed out $20 US for an Alien 500 X-mode quad frame. It will easier to fit the inline gimbal I'm hacking. Swapping all the running gear from my F450 frame. Pulled my F450 apart on the weekend.

I don't know why they call it an X-mode frame. Its more a dead cat frame.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 24, 2014, 07:56:45 AM
Oh Santa stop this copter curse ---LOL

I now have 19 items at various stages of ordering / shipping -
Lovely wife decided to get me a new FC40 for Xmas 2014 - 2017  .. LOL
Got so much stuff on order I had to make up a spreadsheet to keep track of it all --
Got a Parcel locker from Aust Post ( Free ) so all my packets get shipped there now ..

Hope I get some stuff soon ...

Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 24, 2014, 07:59:31 AM
Oh Santa stop this copter curse ---LOL

I now have 19 items at various stages of ordering / shipping -
Lovely wife decided to get me a new FC40 for Xmas 2014 - 2017  .. LOL
Got so much stuff on order I had to make up a spreadsheet to keep track of it all --
Got a Parcel locker from Aust Post ( Free ) so all my packets get shipped there now ..

Hope I get some stuff soon ...

Steve
Howdy Steve,

Are you spending your allowance quicker than you're earning it , LOL? So I take it you have given up on the phantom?

Cheers, Mark
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 24, 2014, 08:05:26 AM
Yeah - Lost but not forgotten .. Walked the streets with my Loc8tor and the video receiver - Nothing -- not a beep .. SO
Its underwater or crashed with battery out , or up a tree , or on a roof ... etc etc -- Its got a reward sticker with Phone
which might help if anyone bumps into it ... Got to get a new loc8tor transmitter too ( Bugger that's 20 items )
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 24, 2014, 08:10:01 AM
Better buy a gift for the missus, she's being very understanding. When I flew fixed wing I used to feel so self indulgant as this hobby is very selfish. Only you typically get to play with your toys and when they crash, well, you know what happens, lots of coin down the tube.

The FC40 looks like a nice piece of kit as well.

So does that comes with gimbal and camera?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 24, 2014, 08:16:22 AM
I had plenty of Brownie Point credits after her Canon 6D with 24-105 mm L kit , 32 Gb card ...
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 24, 2014, 08:20:32 AM
I had plenty of Brownie Point credits after her Canon 6D with 24-105 mm L kit , 32 Gb card ...
Steve
Imagine the video you could get with that slung under your Alien, LOL
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 24, 2014, 08:29:57 AM
Saw this one and bought it straightaway yesterday -

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/361099982743?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/361099982743?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)

If its half as good as it sounds I'll be real happy ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 24, 2014, 08:37:53 AM
Saw this one and bought it straightaway yesterday -

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/361099982743?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/361099982743?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)

If its half as good as it sounds I'll be real happy ...

I've got the same one Steve, good specs, but unfortunately they don't fit into Gopro gimbals that are 41mm high. These ones are 47mm high, so can only fit in the gimbals with velcro strap, aka (GBC style)

You can also get a HDMI to AV out converter, but you can't turn off the inbuilt OSD so no good for FPV because the camera's OSD overlays the flight OSD.

But apart from that they take a really nice video and still shot and work great in low light.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 24, 2014, 08:43:15 AM
I just wanted one with a tripod nut - Fits on my GBC that way - The On/Off remote was a bonus .. My current camera only has Off , record , snap , This new one has the correct USB socket too so I'm hoping that the GoPro cable I got with something might just work for FPV as well  ... Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 24, 2014, 08:44:57 AM
I just wanted one with a tripod nut - Fits on my GBC that way - The On/Off remote was a bonus .. My current camera only has Off , record , snap , This new one has the correct USB socket too so I'm hoping that the GoPro cable I got with something might just work for FPV as well  ... Steve
Mine is live video out via mini HDMI, not USB. They may have updated them, like the SJ4000 now has live AV out via USB.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 24, 2014, 08:46:19 AM
Think I have that cable too..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 24, 2014, 08:51:54 AM
Think I have that cable too..

I think mine came with a mini HDMI cable, but I don't think HDMI is compatible with the video transmitters, hence you need something like these converters on Goodluckbuy.

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/index.php?target=products&mode=search&subcats=Y&type=extended&avail=Y&pshort=Y&pfull=Y&pname=Y&pkeywords=Y&cid=0&q=hdmi+to+av+converter&x=0&y=0 (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/index.php?target=products&mode=search&subcats=Y&type=extended&avail=Y&pshort=Y&pfull=Y&pname=Y&pkeywords=Y&cid=0&q=hdmi+to+av+converter&x=0&y=0)

It'll still be good as a flight camera tho.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 24, 2014, 03:55:36 PM
I checked out the performance specs for the motors, they are very similar to the NTM 2830 800kv motors as far as thrust goes (1020g on a 11x4.7 prop for the Emax, 1050g on a 11x7 prop for the NTM), but far more efficient for the Emax 179 watts and 276 watts respectively on a 4S battery.

Only the video to connect now and the pesky power distribution board which still hasn't turned up. I'm about to open a dispute with Aliexpress. The shipping company has stopped tracking it.

Not much room under the top plate left now that the motors have been wired up to the ESC's. I moved the BTU to where the satellite receiver was on the left rear leg and put the LED module on the right hand rear leg and the satellite under it as far away from the BTU as possible. Once the video transmitter turns up in the mail from Hobbyking, I'll be able to finish all the wiring under the top plate then put the lid on permanently.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 29, 2014, 10:39:44 AM
The Emax motors and ESC's for the mini quad turned up yesterday. Hoepfully most of the bits and pieces, minus the flight control board will turn up before Xmas. I going to relax this Xmas (no camping) and finish the Alien, and start on the ZMR250. The wife wants to rest up and not do anything, so that suits me.

These motors come in a nice little box. Here they are in comparison to the NTM 2830 propdrives. They will spin a 5 inch prop at 15910 rpm!!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 29, 2014, 02:10:57 PM
Got my tx and ESC , numbers on ESC don't match up to motors unless you turn it upside down ..This is going to be very interesting when the motors turn up...LOL
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on November 29, 2014, 02:54:52 PM
What frequency transmitter are you running with this time?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on November 29, 2014, 03:36:50 PM
Got the Phantom 2 ,2.4 GHz , with 5.8 fpv stuff..Using DJI TX for now . Will probably change to Orange or Radiolink later...
gotta get off the ground first...;
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on December 01, 2014, 10:51:34 PM
catch of the day
(https://static.catchoftheday.com.au/assets/0000/0401/547c1b578b15d406436121.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 02, 2014, 09:32:16 PM
My power distribution board finally turned up.

So I've made a power distribution module for feeding the Naza PMU and the 12 volt video equipment.

I just need to solder some 4S balanced plugs onto the power cable for the Naza PMU and the 12 volt UBEC.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 03, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
Hi Marschy,

I've been informed a small box was delivered today, so it should be the sonar as I'm not expecting any other deliveries.

I'll see if I can spare some time over the next few nights to let you know if it's a firmware / hardware issue or if you're just unlucky with yours.

I've almost completed my rebuilding of the tricopter, should be a bit more resilient and easier to swap out the camera / battery tray.  I've swapped out a motor, not sure if I should swap out the ESC too.  I'll now have to run some tests on it as it definitely was loosing thrust from that side.

Just waiting to confirm what's happening with my contract at work to see if I'll spend the money on a quad......  Isn't it funny, you have the money to play when you work (but not the time) but when you have the time you don't want to spend the money, sigh......  Thinking I'll just buy one anyway, I'll need a pet project if I'm off work.....

I have to be honest and say I'm looking forward to a month or two off.....  Not the ideal time (I love camping just not in the middle of summer, sigh...)  Would have been perfect in March / April oh well......

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 03, 2014, 01:29:08 PM
Crikey that was quick Chris.

The power distribution board that I got from a seller on Aliexpress took 48 days to arrive (see picture above), but had been sitting somewhere in Australia since the 25th October (probably customs). Having said that, all my orders that I paid for EMS shipping are still only taking about 1.5 weeks to arrive from the date of payment.

I don't think the error on the sonar will cause any issues, because as I noted before, the error is consistently around 25%, which means the shorter the distance, the smaller the error.

You have to select the LV-EZ0 sonar in Mission Planner to get the HC-SR04 sonar with the additional board from Thanksbuyer to work. The documentation for Arducopter states that selecting the appropriate sonar is so the correct algorithm is used to get the correct scaling for the sonar you are using. When I selected other sonars, I got similar errors, but the  sonar distances where much further out when compared to when LV-EZ0 was selected.

Now to my mind being a programmer for nearly 30 years suggests to me that that statement suggests that the possible problem area may be the Arducopter firmware, and that perhaps it may be able to be corrected by customising the firmware. I may have a look at this at some point in the future.

The fact that different scaling is used for different sonars would suggest to me that it is quite fixable to someone who can interpret where this scaling is applied in the firmware.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 03, 2014, 01:35:08 PM
Forgot to mention, give the sonar a good coating of liquid electrical tape. The exposed circuitry can be shorted quite easily with a bit of moisture. Before and after shots below. I also coated the board camera circuit board.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 04, 2014, 09:57:20 AM
Forgot to mention, give the sonar a good coating of liquid electrical tape. The exposed circuitry can be shorted quite easily with a bit of moisture. Before and after shots below. I also coated the board camera circuit board.

That's a great idea, I noticed that I wasnt going to be able to shrink wrap it....  I'll get some before I do too much outdoors flying with the sonar.

Grrr, this weather is conspiring against me, was out again until 4am cutting trees and fixing roofs (hmmm 4 hours of sleep is not good).....  Forecast is not good for rest of week, sonar testing might have to wait till the weekend instead.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 04, 2014, 10:23:40 AM
Stuff isn't cheap, $25 from Jaycar for a small 4 oz tin, or $13 for a 1 oz tube. The can at least has a paint brush in it, so it's a bit more easier to use than the tube.

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=NM2832 (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=NM2832)

I can think of lots of tasks for it though with quad building, so it will come in handy.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 04, 2014, 10:40:31 AM
Stuff isn't cheap, $25 from Jaycar for a small 4 oz tin, or $13 for a 1 oz tube. The can at least has a paint brush in it, so it's a bit more easier to use than the tube.

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=NM2832 (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=NM2832)

I can think of lots of tasks for it though with quad building, so it will come in handy.


You aren't wrong there, seems that it is the going rate....  Couldn't find any cheaper deals out there.  Unless I lived in the US, then it's $6USD for the same container, go figure.....

I've thought about buying the stuff ages ago, I think I'll get some because there is no way to protect it otherwise unless I do a dodgy wrap with electrical tape but it will only make it resistant and not proof :-)

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 04, 2014, 06:12:35 PM
What about this stuff - does the same job - more of it and a little bit dearer ...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CHOOSE-YOUR-COLOUR-PERFORMIX-PLASTI-DIP-FLEXIBLE-RUBBER-DIP-BRUSH-214ml-/350586388029?pt=AU_Building_Materials&hash=item51a093be3d (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CHOOSE-YOUR-COLOUR-PERFORMIX-PLASTI-DIP-FLEXIBLE-RUBBER-DIP-BRUSH-214ml-/350586388029?pt=AU_Building_Materials&hash=item51a093be3d)
Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 04, 2014, 06:16:39 PM
What about this stuff - does the same job - more of it and a little bit dearer ...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CHOOSE-YOUR-COLOUR-PERFORMIX-PLASTI-DIP-FLEXIBLE-RUBBER-DIP-BRUSH-214ml-/350586388029?pt=AU_Building_Materials&hash=item51a093be3d (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CHOOSE-YOUR-COLOUR-PERFORMIX-PLASTI-DIP-FLEXIBLE-RUBBER-DIP-BRUSH-214ml-/350586388029?pt=AU_Building_Materials&hash=item51a093be3d)
Mandrake

Only 99 cents more for another 3.5 oz (nearly double the jaycar one). Good find. Have you used this before Steve?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 04, 2014, 06:19:46 PM
Only used it on handtools - Dip handle in and let it dry - Instant insulated handle .. Worked really well for that so a small drop over a solder point should be OK ... Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 04, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
I'll grab some of that Plasti Dip once the little tin I bought runs out. You should put that on the 'Have you found a bargain" thread. It's sure to be handy for lots of things in a camper trailer.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 05, 2014, 10:34:53 AM
I'm thinking of getting a tricopter frame, so I've been researching on rcgroups at what people are using. The Hobbyking Turnigy Talon seems to be very popular, but I think it has some shortcomings that make it a not so desirable option for me. Not the least is the expensive motor mounts that have a habit of bending if you land heavily on them, plus the very short landing legs.

I really like the look of this tricopter frame. The motor mounts should be cheap to replace if needed, it has an integrated PCB frame and the the yaw mechanism is very simple in comparison to the Talon and at only 450g is comparable in weight to the Talon, albeit 100g more which is probably attributable to the landing gear.

I've got everything I need to get it in the air, minus a decent servo for the yaw motor. I may get one in the new year. This will be the last one, I swear  >:D Best of all, it's cheaper than the Talon including express shipping.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49524-1/HMFY600.jpg) (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/F10811-HMF-Y600-Tricopter-3-Axis-Copter-Frame-Kit-w-High-Landing-Gear-Gimbal-Hanging-Rod/32241807316.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 05, 2014, 11:47:09 AM
Don't like those legs - Had a set on the Phantom for a couple of flights - Ends were in camera ( move them out of camera and it topples over !! ) .
Crashed once or twice and the carbon tubes cracked - Got rid of them after that ...
I've got this monster coming for the Alien ... http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6365949219.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6365949219.html) - Hope its sturdy enough ...
Motors arrived today - just finished fitting ... 6mm rubber O-rings on motor mount screws and motor screws - should dampen a bit of vibration ...
Pic coming soon ...
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/04/5f6794b40ad0cf000bb081c4cbee62d9.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 05, 2014, 12:08:18 PM
The crab legs are pretty forgiving, very bendy and bouncy. You may want to look for replacement legs as well. I have very similar crab undercarriage from Hobbyking. I've only broken one leg so far. The hook that attaches to the bottom rail snapped off.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__40671__Deluxe_Multifunction_Anti_Brake_Care_Free_High_Crab_FPV_Landing_Gear_Set_Black_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__40671__Deluxe_Multifunction_Anti_Brake_Care_Free_High_Crab_FPV_Landing_Gear_Set_Black_.html)

Hobbyking don't sell spare legs for the undercarriage with 8mm top rails, but fortunately I have bought 4 spare legs from Goodluckbuy for about $10/pair.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/DIY-Universal-190mm-Tall-landing-Skid-Gear-Stand-8mm-Tube-for-Quadcopter-Hexacopter-PTZ-FPV-1/1787193784.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/DIY-Universal-190mm-Tall-landing-Skid-Gear-Stand-8mm-Tube-for-Quadcopter-Hexacopter-PTZ-FPV-1/1787193784.html)

Hobbyking now stock spare legs for 10mm top rails, but not 12mm top rails, they have them on Aliexpress, just search for "landing gear 12mm tube"
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 05, 2014, 12:17:09 PM
How long before your first flight? You may beat me at this pace.

I'm waiting on some silicon wire to arrive to finish wiring the video camera and transmitter, then I'll be ready to maiden. Check out this thread on rcgroups dedicated to the Alien 560. PID's have been posted for DJI Naza on this frame which may prove handy.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2115146 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2115146)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 05, 2014, 12:25:28 PM
Hahaha - I got my silicone cables this morning 16 AWG and 14 AWG ...
I'm taking this real slow - Just a little bit everyday --
Still got a few bits n bobs to arrive -  hardware , cable wrap , gimbal hangy clips , OSD . FPV cameras ,Landing skid and some 4 pin micro cables n plugs ..

So I can't get too far ahead yet as I want to make it nice ..

I still have the new FC40 to play with weather permitting .. Waiting on bandy legs , FPV camera , 2.4Ghz Tx to complete it ...

Merry Xmas !!! LOL
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 05, 2014, 12:38:09 PM
I'm waiting on 14, 12 and 24 AWG cable, and cable wrap as well for both the Alien and my F450 rebuild.That should see me through to the finish on the Alien and the F450 rebuild.

The F450 is about to get a frame upgrade to one of these.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MWC-X-Mode-Alien-Multicopter-Quadcopter-Frame-Kit-Random-Color-as-DJI-HJ-APM-GPS/1766737798.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MWC-X-Mode-Alien-Multicopter-Quadcopter-Frame-Kit-Random-Color-as-DJI-HJ-APM-GPS/1766737798.html)

I mean, for $20US why wouldn't you? Its got lot more room than the F450 and I'm hoping to do away with the crab landing gear and use an in-line gimbal to keep the centre of gravity as low as I can and keep the weight down as much as I can.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 05, 2014, 12:51:57 PM
What about this stuff - does the same job - more of it and a little bit dearer ...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CHOOSE-YOUR-COLOUR-PERFORMIX-PLASTI-DIP-FLEXIBLE-RUBBER-DIP-BRUSH-214ml-/350586388029?pt=AU_Building_Materials&hash=item51a093be3d (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CHOOSE-YOUR-COLOUR-PERFORMIX-PLASTI-DIP-FLEXIBLE-RUBBER-DIP-BRUSH-214ml-/350586388029?pt=AU_Building_Materials&hash=item51a093be3d)
Mandrake


Good find, I'll see if I can find a local supplier.  Looks like some of the auto shops carry it.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 05, 2014, 01:04:32 PM
I could only find the spray cans locally .. Auto barn..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 05, 2014, 06:06:37 PM
Hey guys ... Help ...
Connected up the ESC , motors , naza and receiver ..
Got the correct blinky blinky LED for Naza
Got the audio from ESC ..
All good so far ..
Tries to start motors .. Nada
I know I am supposed to calibrate the ESC but should the motors turn over before that
or does the calib also fix the power up joystick combination -
Coz I can't calibrate using the DJI controller / receiver as it doesn't have a throttle set of pins ..
Any ideas please ..
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 05, 2014, 06:32:31 PM
Hey guys ... Help ...
Connected up the ESC , motors , naza and receiver ..
Got the correct blinky blinky LED for Naza
Got the audio from ESC ..
All good so far ..
Tries to start motors .. Nada
I know I am supposed to calibrate the ESC but should the motors turn over before that
or does the calib also fix the power up joystick combination -
Coz I can't calibrate using the DJI controller / receiver as it doesn't have a throttle set of pins ..
Any ideas please ..
Steve

Have you got a 5 volt BEC? If so, power up your receiver using the BEC. Don't connect it straight to your battery otherwise SMOKE.

Connect a speed controller directly to the throttle channel on your receiver and the power for the ESC directly to the battery.See if the motor spins up when everything is turned on. You'll need your transmitter for this.

You can also do this with a servo tester and not worry about a receiver or transmitter.I'll post a photo shortly to show what I mean.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 05, 2014, 06:41:21 PM
Ok

If you have a servo tester, you can test your motor and ESC by hooking it up like pictured below.

If you don't have a servo tester and your ESC is opto, leave the power from the battery connected directly to the power cables on the ESC, but connect a 5 volt BEC to your balanced output pn the battery, then power up your receiver from the BEC and connect the servo cable signal wire from the ESC to your throttle signal pin on your receiver. Power up your transmitter and use the throttle to see if the motor spins up.

If your ESC has a BEC, subsititute  the servo tester in the photo with your receiver and use your transmitter to spin up the motor.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 05, 2014, 10:54:14 PM
Hey guys ... Help ...
Connected up the ESC , motors , naza and receiver ..
Got the correct blinky blinky LED for Naza
Got the audio from ESC ..
All good so far ..
Tries to start motors .. Nada
I know I am supposed to calibrate the ESC but should the motors turn over before that
or does the calib also fix the power up joystick combination -
Coz I can't calibrate using the DJI controller / receiver as it doesn't have a throttle set of pins ..
Any ideas please ..
Steve

Hi Steve,

I would expect it to spin the motors still, even if they arent calibrated.  By starting the motor I presume you are trying to arm it and then throttle up.  The calibration will depend on the ESC's you are using, some controllers will let you do them all at once, others you have to individually.

I haven't used the naza so I'm not certain about that process for it.  Do you see feedback as to when it is armed? 

Marks method should test that the motor will fire up.  I'd do the test through the receiver though as it will give your true values from your tx (let you see if any mixing, d/r, limits or expo settings getting in the way).  I'm not sure if it's a worthwhile test as even if one was faulty it wouldn't stop the others, but if your ruling stuff out it would be a test to do.  If you have limits set it may prevent it from arming (as you never reach the far ends as far as it's concerned)....

Chris





Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 06, 2014, 12:30:10 AM
Hey guys ... Help ...
Connected up the ESC , motors , naza and receiver ..
Got the correct blinky blinky LED for Naza
Got the audio from ESC ..
All good so far ..
Tries to start motors .. Nada
I know I am supposed to calibrate the ESC but should the motors turn over before that
or does the calib also fix the power up joystick combination -
Coz I can't calibrate using the DJI controller / receiver as it doesn't have a throttle set of pins ..
Any ideas please ..
Steve
If it's a new receiver, did you bind it to the transmitter?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 06, 2014, 06:05:02 AM
Yep . Tx and Rx arrived in a bind . As I said I am getting home lock and GPS lock and ESC startup audio bings.. but I just don't seem to be able to fire up the motors .. I believe if one is stuffed nothing happens ?? Which is why I want to test each motor seperately .. Maybe I can get a single ESC and test each motor that is the cheapest option at the moment.. I will open up the 4in1 today  make sure its OK but it does make OK noises so should be alright.
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 06, 2014, 07:25:10 AM
I'm going to be upgrading the Hobbyking SS30A ESC's that I flashed with SimonK software. I was having problems with one motor not spinning up properly which I have narrowed down to one of the ESC's, so I'll replace them all.

 I quite like the Multistar 30A OPTO's but I notice that Hobbyking have taken them off their website. Curious??!!. I know people had issues with flashing them with SimonK, but I'm still using stock firmware on mine with no issues so far. I may get the Emax 30A OPTO's flashed with SimonK from the emaxmodel.com website.

It seems that BLHeli is the preferred firmware now over SimonK. Most of Hobbyking's Multistar ESC's are now flashed with it.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on December 06, 2014, 07:33:01 AM
Have you got the naza assistant software for the computer. You might have to adjust the end points on some channels to get the start up to work
Regards
Crispy


Sent using fat fingers on the iPad thingy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 06, 2014, 07:41:39 AM
Just noticed on plugging in battery that during the ESC noise bit only 2 of the motors twitched - The other two are motionless - So I'm gunna pull the ESC apart and swap the boards around to see if the other 2 motors will twitch ... Seems like a plan ..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 06, 2014, 07:53:43 AM
Well if you can narrow down the problem Steve, the emaxmodel.com website sell the power boards and UBEC boards for the 4 in 1.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 06, 2014, 10:44:02 AM
I was just trying to set the throttle limits for my 12 amp Emax ESC's. With the transmitter on and the receiver bound to the transmitter, the ESC was constantly beeping as soon as the power was connected, which means it thinks the throttle is neither at the top or bottom of its limits on the transmitter.

Had me scratching my head, so I created a new model on my transmitter, powered everything off, turned the radio on using the new model which has not had any settings changed, then connected the ESC to power with the receiver connected and bingo, now the motor spins up with the transmitter throttle and I can calibrate it.

Create a new model on your radio and give this a try
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 06, 2014, 10:50:42 AM
Can't do those tricky things with a DJI Tx - There are no options or extra settings etc .. Which is why I am having twubble .. Just ordered a Walkera Devo 7 ch Tx / Rx .. Will be here in 10 days ..

I tested what I could and the ESC is OK on all 4 channels - AND all the motors twitch on all 4 channels - So its the Tx / Rx combo that is not allowing the Arming of the motors ... Hopefully the

Walkera will address that and I will be able to buzz in quadruplicate vewwy vewwy soon ...

Thanks for all your help and advice - Its a HUGE learning curve for an old grumpy pensioner ... LOL

Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 06, 2014, 11:02:46 AM
I haven't had this particular problem before.

The problem was that I calibrated the ESC using my servo tester which has lower and higher limits on the trim pot than the trim pot on the throttle of my transmitter. So when I connected the receiver and turned the transmitter on, the motors started constantly beeping, telling me that the throttle wasn't at the lowest or highest limiton the tranmitter throttle. The only way I could fix it was by creating a new model. This must reset the limits on the transmitter to zero is my guess.

This may be peculiar to the emax ESC's so I'll be filing this away in case it happens again.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 07, 2014, 06:48:36 AM
Great priced on a 3 axis gimbal.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/1986705158.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/1986705158.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 07, 2014, 07:26:08 AM
In the description it says only for PWM signal not PPM ...
Aren't most controllers PPM ?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 07, 2014, 07:30:28 AM
In the description it says only for PWM signal not PPM ...
Aren't most controllers PPM ?
No, most of them are PWM. It just means you can't use one signal wire for manual control, you need three servo leads, one each for yaw, pitch and roll. I'm going to keep an eye on this one to see what the feedback is like. It looks a little too good to be true.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: GGV8Cruza on December 07, 2014, 09:31:51 AM
These look like fun

http://www.helipal.com/storm-racing-drone-rtf-type-a.html (http://www.helipal.com/storm-racing-drone-rtf-type-a.html)

GG
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 07, 2014, 09:41:52 AM
These look like fun

http://www.helipal.com/storm-racing-drone-rtf-type-a.html (http://www.helipal.com/storm-racing-drone-rtf-type-a.html)

GG

Similar to what I'm waiting for in my Xmas stocking.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Blackout-QAV250-Carbon-Fiber-Mini-250-FPV-Quadcopter-Frame-Unassembled/2004383973.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Blackout-QAV250-Carbon-Fiber-Mini-250-FPV-Quadcopter-Frame-Unassembled/2004383973.html)

Check out this thread on rcgroups. These guys are nuts on these things. Racing 250 class quads are HUGELY popular in the US and gaining popularity everywhere. This thread is only about the blackout mini-h clone called the ZMR250 and grows by about 10-20 replies per day. The ZMR250 is also the name by which the one I'm waiting is also sold as. The QAV250 is actually a French made mini that looks nothing like the one I'm buying. The one I am buying is identical to the mini quad in this thread (nearly 10000 replies since June 2014, amazing).

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2180331 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2180331)

http://youtu.be/lbgGO0489Gk (http://youtu.be/lbgGO0489Gk)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 07, 2014, 06:43:18 PM
I just put my DJI 2.4 Ghz Tx/Rx up on Ebay to recoup some of my expenses ( as I can't use it for the Alien .. ) -- Sat down , had lunch , then thought "D...H.... " should have put the 2.4 on my Phantom and get rid of the 5.8 -- Pulled the Ebay Ad ... removed the 5.8 receiver - fitted the 2.4 --- fired up the Tx and hey presto I have a Phantom FC40 running on a 2.4Ghz setup !!!

I think I'm slowly getting the hang of this stuff >>>>

If I can get this Alien up and running how about a competition / Race around some slalom sticks at a large open paddock somewhere ??? Huntingdale Golf Course round the flag and back ?? LOL

Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 07, 2014, 06:50:03 PM
I just put my DJI 2.4 Ghz Tx/Rx up on Ebay to recoup some of my expenses ( as I can't use it for the Alien .. ) -- Sat down , had lunch , then thought "D...H.... " should have put the 2.4 on my Phantom and get rid of the 5.8 -- Pulled the Ebay Ad ... removed the 5.8 receiver - fitted the 2.4 --- fired up the Tx and hey presto I have a Phantom FC40 running on a 2.4Ghz setup !!!

I think I'm slowly getting the hang of this stuff >>>>

If I can get this Alien up and running how about a competition / Race around some slalom sticks at a large open paddock somewhere ??? Huntingdale Golf Course round the flag and back ?? LOL

Steve
I think you'll find out the benefits of 5.8 FPV equipment soon enough Steve, the antenna size for a start is much smaller for circular polarised antennas.

I'm going to need a bloody big battery pack to get around the flag at the Huntingdale Golf Course from here in Adelaide, but your on.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 07, 2014, 06:59:28 PM
There's a bit of empty desert halfway between us isn't there ?? Might see if I can find a campsite for next autumn -- might be cool enough then .. Could be a Myswag gathering ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 07, 2014, 07:12:44 PM
Sounds like a bloody good idea.

It would be good to go where the scenery from the air would make it just as worthy for a gathering as well. I don't think that would be too hard, there is lots of beautiful scenery between Melbourne and Adelaide.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 07, 2014, 07:20:59 PM
Have to get me paper maps out ... I'll get one of the mods to make it a mini-meet in Trips -" Build it and they will come "
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 07, 2014, 07:22:27 PM
LOL, you're an ideas man Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on December 08, 2014, 09:01:26 AM
http://www.catchoftheday.com.au/event/43700/product/dji-phantom-2-flying-drone-zenmuse-h3-3d-331275/ (http://www.catchoftheday.com.au/event/43700/product/dji-phantom-2-flying-drone-zenmuse-h3-3d-331275/)

any good?>
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 08, 2014, 09:18:09 AM
Yes Excellent machine and a pretty good price

BUT -- Spare batteries are currently $170 each !!! No cheap copies yet as far as I know .

And I'm not sure how the 3D gimbal works as there's only one spare channel which is normally
used for the tilt action of the gimbal so I don't know how you can rotate the gimbal ??

Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on December 08, 2014, 09:19:12 AM
Yes Excellent machine and a pretty good price

BUT -- Spare batteries are currently $170 each !!! No cheap copies yet as far as I know .

And I'm not sure how the 3D gimbal works as there's only one spare channel which is normally
used for the tilt action of the gimbal so I don't know how you can rotate the gimbal ??

Steve
That's ok, I don't know what a gimbal is anyway so I wont need it :P
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 08, 2014, 09:20:50 AM
Its the gizmo that holds the camera in the same position regardless of how the aircraft is tilted.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Bird on December 08, 2014, 09:23:23 AM
Quote from: Mandrake
Its the gizmo that holds the camera in the same position regardless of how the aircraft is tilted.
Ahhh. ok.. I'd probably need that :(
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 08, 2014, 01:18:12 PM
Sounds like a bloody good idea.

It would be good to go where the scenery from the air would make it just as worthy for a gathering as well. I don't think that would be too hard, there is lots of beautiful scenery between Melbourne and Adelaide.

I'd come along to something like that :-)....  Joins my two favorite hobbies!!

I'll get to the sonar on Wednesday night, last week and my weekend have been written off.  Seems if I buy a new toy the weather punishes me.....  Been out most nights after work either dealing with trees that have fallen on cars and roads or leaking roofs.....  That will be tonight's fun.....

Hate to think what the weathers going to do when i get the quad (still tossing up a 250 or a 330 - so hard to decide), damn if a sonar brings this amount of storms.......  I think I should order a bunker too.....

Looks like I'm out of work (IT contractor) after Christmas so I'll have lots of time as I plan to take 8-10 weeks off.  So I should be able to catch up on my flying (and order and build the quad).  Was two months earlier than I had hoped but not the end of the world....

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 08, 2014, 05:49:53 PM
Just got a 30% off offer for the Radiolink Tx/Rx combo - Now AU$140 -- Yeah had too !! LOL
http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6397266588.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6397266588.html)
I'm gunna get killed ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 08, 2014, 07:51:37 PM
Just got a 30% off offer for the Radiolink Tx/Rx combo - Now AU$140 -- Yeah had too !! LOL
http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6397266588.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6397266588.html)
I'm gunna get killed ...

I find if I put items on my wish list on Aliexpress, within a day or two I get a notification that the item is now cheaper. I wish they would stop doing that, I keep sucked in to buying things.

So is this on top of the Devo 7 radio? I must say, the Radiolink is a nice looking radio though. Very new on the market, so little information available as yet, but the only negative (if you can call it that) is that they only work with their own receiver.

Speaking of getting killed.

I just unsoldered the motor leads from all four of my ESC's for my mini quad. they are Emax 12A SimonK flashed controllers. I did this because to save weight on the mini quads this is pretty well standard practice to solder the motor leads directly to the ESC's after removing the ESC motor leads.

The problem is that each of the three leads are soldered between a pair of FET's on the board and there is nothing consistent between one ESC and the next as to the pins that the motor leads are connected to on the FET's. I even took photographs of the ESC's before I unsoldered them so I could see which pins on the FET's the leads were soldered to because of the inconsistancies.

So after disconnecting the leads that came with the ESC's, when I soldered the one of the motors directly to the ESC and connected it up to my servo tester and battery, I burnt the motor out in 2 seconds flat once I turned on the servo tester. Now I have no confidence that I will be able to resolder any of the remaining 3 motors to the ESC's without the same result. Not happy. 4 ESC's in the bin and one motor.

I've just ordered some replacement ESC's from Hobbyking this time. Some Blue Series 12A ESC's that get good reviews and can be reflashed, but I've read that the stock firmware is pretty good on multicopters, so I'm going to leave them as they are. I've also ordered a replacement motor.

I reckon my magic smoke list must be getting pretty close to 10 items if not more now.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 08, 2014, 08:04:24 PM
LOL, just put the Radiolink transmitter on my wish list and got an pay less alert straight away.  :cup:

Not going to push my luck though. I've already got 2 radio's. The Frsky 6 channel I haven't even used yet.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 09, 2014, 07:07:15 AM
Just got a 30% off offer for the Radiolink Tx/Rx combo - Now AU$140 -- Yeah had too !! LOL
http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6397266588.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6397266588.html)
I'm gunna get killed ...

Hi,

I had a look but doesnt seem to have ppm output...... Only pwm.

New player, not a lot of info about them, tx is not open source either so no tinkering, maybe thats a good thing ?.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 09, 2014, 07:38:12 AM
Good price for a telemetry radio though.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: allan.kidd on December 09, 2014, 08:43:10 AM
Well I have "bitten the bullet" and placed an order for
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__58351__Walkera_QR_X350_PRO_FPV_GPS_RC_Quadcopter_DEVO_7_Mode_2_Ready_to_Fly_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__58351__Walkera_QR_X350_PRO_FPV_GPS_RC_Quadcopter_DEVO_7_Mode_2_Ready_to_Fly_.html) :cup:

Now I have to learn how to fly it without destroying it.

I have found an Android app - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Creativeworld.QuadcopterFX&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Creativeworld.QuadcopterFX&hl=en) - which is giving me an introduction to the controls.

I have found a simulator which plugs into the transmitter - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Creativeworld.QuadcopterFX&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Creativeworld.QuadcopterFX&hl=en)
Is the best way of learning before using the real thing?

Any suggestions?

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 09, 2014, 08:49:30 AM
I have found a simulator which plugs into the transmitter - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Creativeworld.QuadcopterFX&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Creativeworld.QuadcopterFX&hl=en)
Is the best way of learning before using the real thing?
They help, but they are no substitute for flying, crashing, swearing, repairing.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 09, 2014, 08:59:33 AM
Like driving a car - read as much as you like but experience behind the wheel means everything ... GPS mode on and failsafe  on and you should have a lot of fun .. First few flights are best in wide open paddock .... They are comparitively easy to fly in GPS mode - manual mode is a whole different ballgame !!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 09, 2014, 09:04:23 AM
Agree with that, an nice open field is the go. With nothing that will cause you to make rash decisions if you come too close to an obstacle. Flat as possible is also the best place to start learning, landing on a slope when learning will make you go through more propellers than you will landing on a flat surface.

Set your failsafe to "Return to Launch".
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 09, 2014, 09:42:10 AM
Postman turned up before with my S-OSD Remzibi for Naza - plugged it in and it seems to be OK - No camera yet so can't see anything on screen --
But I am fast running out of space to put boards and YARDS and YARDS of bloody cables !! This is the most difficult bit isn't it - keeping it neat but workable !!!
I am having fun ... Ommm -- repeat several times in lotus position !! Mandrake
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 09, 2014, 10:02:18 AM
Crimping tool is my best friend. Great for shortening your leads and tidying everything up.

You can get new sockets for the servo leads from Jaycar http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=HP1260 (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=HP1260), but they are much cheaper online. These Jayco ones are suitable for shortening you servo leads.

That and Hobbyking spiral wrap http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__23568__Spiral_wrap_tube_ID_3mm_OD_4mm_Black_2_Metre_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__23568__Spiral_wrap_tube_ID_3mm_OD_4mm_Black_2_Metre_.html). I find 3mm and 5mm uselful for 99% of the wiring I need to do.

I'm still on the hunt for DF13 sockets, but no luck yet, but I haven't looked too hard yet.

The mesh is Ok, but you need to singe the ends with a cigarette lighter otherwise it unravels and then to tidy it up you have to use heat shrink which stiffens the cable up and because this can be close to your control board, transfers vibrations to your flight controller. The spiral wrap is much more flexible, and if you need to rearrange things you can reuse it easily.

I used the spiral wrap anywhere there are two or more cables, or where wiring passes through an opening in the frame and abrasion could cause the wiring to become exposed.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 09, 2014, 10:13:49 AM
But I am fast running out of space to put boards and YARDS and YARDS of bloody cables !!
Using the purpose built space for the ESC's in the undercarriage has saved me heaps of space. Even if at some stage I break the undercarriage, where they are at the moment is perfect. Have a look at the thread on rcgroups for the Alien 560 I posted before. A lot of people have replaced the undercarriage with crab landing gear and lost that space altogether, but it would be simple enough to cut the ESC mounts off of the legs if need be and still have a purpose made place for your ESC's.

I have removed the heat shrink from the ESC's unsoldered the power supply cables and then soldered them back on so the cables face in the same direction as the motor cables, all in the name of making sure the cables are as short as possible.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 09, 2014, 03:39:46 PM
Using the purpose built space for the ESC's in the undercarriage has saved me heaps of space. Even if at some stage I break the undercarriage, where they are at the moment is perfect. Have a look at the thread on rcgroups for the Alien 560 I posted before. A lot of people have replaced the undercarriage with crab landing gear and lost that space altogether, but it would be simple enough to cut the ESC mounts off of the legs if need be and still have a purpose made place for your ESC's.

I have removed the heat shrink from the ESC's unsoldered the power supply cables and then soldered them back on so the cables face in the same direction as the motor cables, all in the name of making sure the cables are as short as possible.

Very nice, I like that little spot for the ESC's.  Offers some protection there too by the looks of things.  I'd also say that they'd get some of the prop tip air pushing onto them too to help keep them cooled.

I just put an order into HK for my quad bits, I'm going to try a 250 frame.....  I'm going to order a blackout clone frame but that can wait till after Christmas, till then it will be the HK frame....  I cant believe that HK is out of 2 bladed 5030 props.....  I had to buy the clear ones, I'll have to order some from elsewhere as I will get disorientated.

Plan is to move the APM board and bits from my Bixler 2 to the Quad 250 and swap them over as required (the tricopter will keep it's APM).  I may give up on that and just used my old KK2 board if the APM and it's gear is too heavy, it will largely depend on how punchy it feels.....  In order to get most of it built before Christmas I've gone with most of the parts from HK.  Was about to try emax for motors and ESC's but with the trouble you had Marschy I decided to order some HK ESC's so then the motors (using 2204's) were a no brainer (didnt want to pay 2 lots of freight).  Plan is to use the 2200mah 3s batteries I have, now that I've switched the Tri over to larger batteries.  I did order one smaller 3s 1300mah 30C battery so that if the 2200's are too heavy I can still have some fun :-)

Now the waiting game..... 

Oh, I realised that I have a meeting tomorrow night so sonar will have to weight even longer, I was going to be running a flood rescue professional development day on Saturday but due to lack of numbers I'm cancelling it so I'll play with the sonar then (hoping I'll get some flying in too).  Getting the feeling that something doesnt want me to play with this sonar.....

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 09, 2014, 04:30:11 PM
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.....

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49547-1/Unboxing+X-mode+Alien.JPG)

The X-mode Alien frame arrived in the mail today. So did the miniAPM (Aliexpress variety, not Hobbyking) with GPS for the blackout clone and an OrangeRX R615X CPPM receiver for the mini, and the cable I need to 100% finish off the Alien 560. The blackout clone frame was ordered the day before the X-mode Alien frame, so I'm hoping it will turn up before the end of the week.

My wife wants me to do some welding on the weekend to add another concrete sleeper to one of the retaining wall bays, so I am going to try and get as much done before the weekend because I have a feeling the retaining wall is going to be a PITA.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 09, 2014, 07:37:23 PM
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.....

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49547-1/Unboxing+X-mode+Alien.JPG)

The X-mode Alien frame arrived in the mail today. So did the miniAPM (Aliexpress variety, not Hobbyking) with GPS for the blackout clone and an OrangeRX R615X CPPM receiver for the mini, and the cable I need to 100% finish off the Alien 560. The blackout clone frame was ordered the day before the X-mode Alien frame, so I'm hoping it will turn up before the end of the week.

My wife wants me to do some welding on the weekend to add another concrete sleeper to one of the retaining wall bays, so I am going to try and get as much done before the weekend because I have a feeling the retaining wall is going to be a PITA.


That has to bite, you have newly acquired toys but you cant play with them.  I know that feeling.  Worse yet when the wife has expectations.  I'm guessing I'll have a big list of items to work through during my downtime.....

I've just put the order in for a miniAPM (from aliexpress) as it will fit in the 250 quad better, plus I wont have to swap stuff around as much.  This hobby is costing me a small fortune.....

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 09, 2014, 07:56:18 PM
I bought mine from the 'Ready to Sky' store. $59.85US plus $14.05 EMS shipping. Got it in 11 days.

I have just finished shaping the aluminium mount for the gimbal motor for the front of the Alien. I made a head start on it on the weekend by drilling the holes for the motor. I just have to drill and tap some holes to secure it to the frame, then I can start putting all the other hardware on from the F450.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 09, 2014, 11:21:28 PM
I'm liking this frame a lot.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 10, 2014, 12:41:29 AM
All silicon wire, cool!! The single connectors make it look like there is a lot of cable here.

Once I've had a bit of sleep and can get my head around this, I'll hook it up to the computer and see if it's working. The GPS is supposed to have a compass, so I need to test that as well.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: edz on December 10, 2014, 07:02:29 AM
Come on you blokes us wanabi's are hanging for the inflight footage of all these techno gadgets your playing with Christmas is nearly here you know . ;D
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 10, 2014, 08:46:11 AM
Was about to try emax for motors and ESC's but with the trouble you had Marschy I decided to order some HK ESC's so then the motors (using 2204's) were a no brainer
The Emax motors seem pretty good, and the ESC's are popular due to their small size. I just stuffed up by unsoldering the leads. I should have soldered the leads directly to the motor leads and heat shrunk them. So now I've gone with HK Blue Series 12A. These are only 1 gram heavier, but a bit larger due to the heat sink.

Are the 2204's the Multistar Elites?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 10, 2014, 10:07:58 AM
The Emax motors seem pretty good, and the ESC's are popular due to their small size. I just stuffed up by unsoldering the leads. I should have soldered the leads directly to the motor leads and heat shrunk them. So now I've gone with HK Blue Series 12A. These are only 1 gram heavier, but a bit larger due to the heat sink.

Are the 2204's the Multistar Elites?

Hi,

I've gone with the 2204 Multistar Elites (2300Kv), I did a bit of read up about them, and they appeared to be reasonable.  A little pricey, I could have gotten equivalent emax ones for a few dollars less, but then you factor the freight was already paid for on the HK order I couldn't refuse.  Please dont say you have seen some bad reviews somewhere....

LOL, just realised I bought the same 12A ESC's as you.  Also couldn't find any bad info on them, and they are above the required max amps.....

I'm putting it on the long version 250FPV frame, will switch to the blackout next month.

I was weak and I ordered the APM Mini last night, as well as a GPS, and MinimOSD.  I have a spare telemetry radio so no need to order another one plus if it needs a diet there are a couple of grams there.  I have a couple of spare cameras too.  I also picked up a RC305 and TS351 combo too, I have a USB analogue capture device and didnt like the idea of the screen being tethered to the computer (for a ground station), so I can use the VTx from the combo for it (or work out which one is the lightest).  I figured I'd get tired of moving stuff around.

I figure the 250 on the HK frame will weigh in at 450g - no battery.  With battery approx 600g, with 1.55kg of thrust on 5x3 props.  I figure I've got 2.5/1 thrust to weight ratio, so it shouldnt be too sluggish.  I have a 3 to 1 ratio on the Tricopter (with only the FPV camera) and in acro mode it really moves.

I'm hoping the blackout 250 frame will lighten it a bit and bring it almost to a 2.8 to 2.9/1 ratio.  I am working on the 2200mah 3s batteries giving me approx 10-11 mins flight time (with 400mah in reserve).  Although I'm going to redo the numbers because it seems low for the 2200mah's

Chris



Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 10, 2014, 10:16:03 AM
Post arrived again today - 2.4Ghz Video receiver ( which I now no longer need !! ) and my bandy leg setup for the alien - Had a quick look at it and am wondering how to fit it to the frame ??

Hopefully some bolt/screw holes will match up as it seems to hang off the twin rods that the gimbal/ camera hangs off ??

Will probably wait until Friday now to have a good look - Waiting on my 12V FPV cameras so I can finish the FPV setup wiring - Then its just wait for the new controllers / receivers to arrive and

I can start flying /  testing ....
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 10, 2014, 10:30:18 AM
Hi,

I've gone with the 2204 Multistar Elites (2300Kv), I did a bit of read up about them, and they appeared to be reasonable.  A little pricey, I could have gotten equivalent emax ones for a few dollars less, but then you factor the freight was already paid for on the HK order I couldn't refuse.  Please dont say you have seen some bad reviews somewhere....

LOL, just realised I bought the same 12A ESC's as you.  Also couldn't find any bad info on them, and they are above the required max amps.....

I'm putting it on the long version 250FPV frame, will switch to the blackout next month.

I was weak and I ordered the APM Mini last night, as well as a GPS, and MinimOSD.  I have a spare telemetry radio so no need to order another one plus if it needs a diet there are a couple of grams there.  I have a couple of spare cameras too.  I also picked up a RC305 and TS351 combo too, I have a USB analogue capture device and didnt like the idea of the screen being tethered to the computer (for a ground station), so I can use the VTx from the combo for it (or work out which one is the lightest).  I figured I'd get tired of moving stuff around.

I figure the 250 on the HK frame will weigh in at 450g - no battery.  With battery approx 600g, with 1.55kg of thrust on 5x3 props.  I figure I've got 2.5/1 thrust to weight ratio, so it shouldnt be too sluggish.  I have a 3 to 1 ratio on the Tricopter (with only the FPV camera) and in acro mode it really moves.

I'm hoping the blackout 250 frame will lighten it a bit and bring it almost to a 2.8 to 2.9/1 ratio.  I am working on the 2200mah 3s batteries giving me approx 10-11 mins flight time (with 400mah in reserve).  Although I'm going to redo the numbers because it seems low for the 2200mah's

Chris
The Multistar Elite motors are very nice. The good thing about the ESC's with stock firmware is you can wire them all up the same to the motors and then use the transmitter to program motor direction.

Your order for the APM was who I was going to order from (91 Hobby?), there were two sellers with similar prices, both the cheapest APM's with GPS combo's. Can't remember which one was cheaper, but I think we are both in the running for the biggest cheap skate award  ;D ;D. The only thing I'm worried about is if the GPS has a compass. The ad is ripped off from the Goodluckbuy web site (refer to the SKU numbers on the ad and you'll see what I mean). But the GPS module from Goodluckbuy is different. I'll check the GPS when I get home tonight to make sure it has a compass.

I have a bluetooth module that I want to see if it works with the APM mini. If not, I'll order a telemetry module in the new year. I have 2 spare power modules/BEC's after I replaced the ones that had dodgy voltage monitor outputs. I'm going to use one of them and see how it goes on the mini APM.

I have a MavlinkOSD which is a version of the minimOSD that does not have the ability to run the whole board on 5 volts, it has 5 volts for the atmel chip and 12 volts for the video chip with a BEC to reduce the power to 5 volts. I'll see how that goes as well and if it overheats the regulator then I'll replace it with a minimOSD.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 10, 2014, 01:08:52 PM
The Multistar Elite motors are very nice. The good thing about the ESC's with stock firmware is you can wire them all up the same to the motors and then use the transmitter to program motor direction.

Your order for the APM was who I was going to order from (91 Hobby?), there were two sellers with similar prices, both the cheapest APM's with GPS combo's. Can't remember which one was cheaper, but I think we are both in the running for the biggest cheap skate award  ;D ;D. The only thing I'm worried about is if the GPS has a compass. The ad is ripped off from the Goodluckbuy web site (refer to the SKU numbers on the ad and you'll see what I mean). But the GPS module from Goodluckbuy is different. I'll check the GPS when I get home tonight to make sure it has a compass.

I have a bluetooth module that I want to see if it works with the APM mini. If not, I'll order a telemetry module in the new year. I have 2 spare power modules/BEC's after I replaced the ones that had dodgy voltage monitor outputs. I'm going to use one of them and see how it goes on the mini APM.

I have a MavlinkOSD which is a version of the minimOSD that does not have the ability to run the whole board on 5 volts, it has 5 volts for the atmel chip and 12 volts for the video chip with a BEC to reduce the power to 5 volts. I'll see how that goes as well and if it overheats the regulator then I'll replace it with a minimOSD.

Hi Mark,

Yep your right it was with 91 Hobby, do you have a pic of the GPS, it should be the stuff on the opposite side of the GPS antenna.  If it looks light of IC's then we may have been burnt on that one.  No biggy, I've got a GPS sitting on the Bixler 2 I can use in the mean time while I get it sorted.  How long did your aliexpress order take from order to the door?

Yeah I thought the motors looked good and I couldn't find people complaining much about them so I figured I'd give them a chance.  Seem to have good thrust ratings on a 5x3 prop.

Bluetooth range is pretty limited, I'd be going the telemetry module (even if you had to swap it over each time), plus BT can be power hungry beast......

My additional minimOSD is from ebay - was the cheapest I could find, if the pics are right then it looks just like the HK one....  Only way to know for sure is when I get it here.

Looks like most of my stuff has been marked as shipped.  So that means my HK stuff will be here for the weekend.  My other stuff will be here when I get back from Christmas holidays!!

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 10, 2014, 07:12:29 PM
Hi Mark,

Yep your right it was with 91 Hobby, do you have a pic of the GPS, it should be the stuff on the opposite side of the GPS antenna.  If it looks light of IC's then we may have been burnt on that one.  No biggy, I've got a GPS sitting on the Bixler 2 I can use in the mean time while I get it sorted.  How long did your aliexpress order take from order to the door?

Yeah I thought the motors looked good and I couldn't find people complaining much about them so I figured I'd give them a chance.  Seem to have good thrust ratings on a 5x3 prop.

Bluetooth range is pretty limited, I'd be going the telemetry module (even if you had to swap it over each time), plus BT can be power hungry beast......

My additional minimOSD is from ebay - was the cheapest I could find, if the pics are right then it looks just like the HK one....  Only way to know for sure is when I get it here.

Looks like most of my stuff has been marked as shipped.  So that means my HK stuff will be here for the weekend.  My other stuff will be here when I get back from Christmas holidays!!

Chris
Ok, the GPS does have a compass. It's an L883. Mine is date stamped 2412, your will probably have a different date stamp.

EMS shipping with the APM took 11 days from order to delivery.

I'm only going to use the bluetooth module for changing settings, otherwise I'm going to disconnect it.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 10, 2014, 08:53:56 PM
Here is a photo of the mini GPS next to my full size GPS that came with the APM 2.6 flight controller. No, the mini is the one on the right, yes that's correct, the bigger one.  ??? ???

And also the location of the compass chip.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 10, 2014, 09:32:01 PM
Ok, the GPS does have a compass. It's an L883. Mine is date stamped 2412, your will probably have a different date stamp.

EMS shipping with the APM took 11 days from order to delivery.

I'm only going to use the bluetooth module for changing settings, otherwise I'm going to disconnect it.

Yay, no dud then!  Hmmm, with some luck I might have my other stuff before xmas then......

Ah, that makes sense on the BT module.  Not a bad idea for the 250 quad.....  If I had one laying around I'd do the same otherwise my strategy will be if needs to go on a diet then I'll remove the telemetry radio and do the usb plug in method.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 10, 2014, 09:45:18 PM
I'm going to wait until the mini quad arrives so I can get some measurements, then I'll get a case for the GPS.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 10, 2014, 09:48:07 PM
The Multistar Elite motors are very nice. The good thing about the ESC's with stock firmware is you can wire them all up the same to the motors and then use the transmitter to program motor direction.

I'm guessing that would be in the APM that it would be reversed?  I wonder how that is done, I'm thinking the motor must be a signed value and the negative PWM is then filtered in the ESC so that it reverses the polarity and and use the positive value.

I might have to read up a bit on that feature, to be honest I'll most likely just swap the power around till I'm happy, that is if I use the 2mm bullet connectors.  If I direct solder then yes I'll be using that feature :-)

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 10, 2014, 09:51:35 PM
There is nothing mini about this GPS at all. Its 35x35mm and about 30x30 between centres on the mounting holes. Its designed more for mounting directly to standoffs than putting them in a case. The inner size of most cases is 28x28mm
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 10, 2014, 09:52:54 PM
I'm going to wait until the mini quad arrives so I can get some measurements, then I'll get a case for the GPS.

My plan for the GPS is to just clear shrink wrap it to help keep the weight down and provide some protection.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 10, 2014, 09:54:42 PM
I think I'll do the same. I found a case though.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Protective-Case-with-GPS-Mount-KITS-For-APM-UBLOX-NEO-6m-UBLOX-LEA-6H-GPS-Free/2009483417.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Protective-Case-with-GPS-Mount-KITS-For-APM-UBLOX-NEO-6m-UBLOX-LEA-6H-GPS-Free/2009483417.html)

The only issue will be is it wider than the mini quad top plate. I don't want to use a pedestal.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 10, 2014, 09:56:20 PM
I have a mini GPS antenna from the Remzibi OSD that I fizzled with 12 volts ... Any good for either of you two ?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 10, 2014, 09:58:56 PM
I have a mini GPS antenna from the Remzibi OSD that I fizzled with 12 volts ... Any good for either of you two ?

Thanks for the offer but I'll pass, I have enough items without magic white smoke.  I've tried to resurrect some items and have had mixed success.

I just realised your offering the antenna.  Do you know the rough dimensions?

I'm thinking it would be some tiny connectors to connect the GPS antenna to the chip....  My soldering skills are ok, but not the best out there.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 10, 2014, 10:03:30 PM
I've got my full quota of GPS modules, thanks for the offer though Steve. I think the GPS also has to have compatible firmware, not sure if the Remzibi GPS would be.

Im about to try and resurrect my OrangeRX R900 receiver that I created magic smoke with when I connected it directly to my 3S lipo. I ordered some 6206A 3.3v regulators for 7 bucks delivered. If it works, I'll save myself about 20 bucks, if not, it was worth a shot.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 10, 2014, 10:13:32 PM
I've got my full quota of GPS modules, thanks for the offer though Steve. I think the GPS also has to have compatible firmware, not sure if the Remzibi GPS would be.

Im about to try and resurrect my OrangeRX R900 receiver that I created magic smoke with when I connected it directly to my 3S lipo. I ordered some 6206A 3.3v regulators for 7 bucks delivered. If it works, I'll save myself about 20 bucks, if not, it was worth a shot.

I think he's offering the antenna component.  I'm not sure I'm game to test out on a now working GPS module the swapping out to a smaller antenna - not sure of what the results would be.

I'm guessing you realised the mistake in less than a second right :-)  Have to say I'm yet to kill a receiver, I've done a Tx by with reverse polarity.....

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 11, 2014, 05:46:45 AM
I think he's offering the antenna component.  I'm not sure I'm game to test out on a now working GPS module the swapping out to a smaller antenna - not sure of what the results would be.

I'm guessing you realised the mistake in less than a second right :-)  Have to say I'm yet to kill a receiver, I've done a Tx by with reverse polarity.....

Chris
Yep, the regulator made a really good 'Pop' sound which was immediately followed by me making an 'ah cr@p' sound. It blew the top right off the regulator. I've checked the regulator on my other R900 receiver, I asked my daughter to read the letters on the top with a magnifying glass as I couldn't do it for the life of me. I should have done what I did with the GPS compass chip, take a photo of it then zoom in using Microsoft Paint.

To solder the regulator  back on I've ordered a $9 jewellers headband magnifyer with LED light. 10x magnificaction.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 11, 2014, 09:05:10 AM
Fitted the BIG BANDY legs to the Alien today - Weight is now 843 gms for frame motors and motor cables ... I've run the rods underneath from end to the other with a short stub out front for the gimbal to hang off ( just realised this won't work coz of two brackets not one - Damn !! ) anyway workaround that later ... Plenty of room underneath now - Just hope I have enough lift when the time comes ... LOL
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/10/1fe0b694e04439c0973302fe14c9cc9f.jpg)
Steve
Title: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 11, 2014, 09:06:19 AM
Any pictures Steve?
Oops there they are
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 11, 2014, 09:07:55 AM
Yup now - I use tapatalk to upload pics its easier ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 11, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
The additional height is certainly noticeable. I've got a set sitting under the xmas tree but i'm waiting to put them on until I break the stock legs
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 11, 2014, 09:59:27 AM
was wondering how to do the LED on the Alien and came up with this idea -- I'll tizz it up a bit later -- Half a white PingPong ball and I'll stick it in place with a few drops of the
electronic rubber paint ? Once I get a nice new clean ball I'll do this up -- Meantime I have 3 parcels to go and collect at my Parcel Locker ... Cameras , Legs and some hardwares ... Yeehaa ...
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/10/047e1a15152fd0d9cd0819f88a8ad1f9.jpg)
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 11, 2014, 07:09:43 PM
was wondering how to do the LED on the Alien and came up with this idea -- I'll tizz it up a bit later -- Half a white PingPong ball and I'll stick it in place with a few drops of the
electronic rubber paint ? Once I get a nice new clean ball I'll do this up -- Meantime I have 3 parcels to go and collect at my Parcel Locker ... Cameras , Legs and some hardwares ... Yeehaa ...
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/10/047e1a15152fd0d9cd0819f88a8ad1f9.jpg)
Steve

Is that the Naza LED module? Great diffuser.

I received what should have been the last parcel today, the ZMR250 mini quad frame and the jewellers magnifying headband. But I've also got a replacement motor coming for the one I fried and the ESC's as well.

I have to go to the post office to pick up the mini quad frame so I will have to wait until tomorrow to see what it looks like.

The magnifying headband is going to be really handy. No more contortionist acts with magnifying glasses, and small torch held between the teeth while soldering. I've actually started wearing the paint off the end of the P3 Led Lenser torch.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 11, 2014, 07:14:49 PM
My Parcel Locker is at the local shopping centre so I gave it a miss today - Christmas shoppers - Sheesh !!
Looks like I might have the Walkera controller tomorrow -- Could be up for some test flights very soon ...
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 12, 2014, 12:13:43 AM
Just testing my new magnifying headset. This is going to be soooooo handy. The little flip down magnifier at 10x magnification won't be much chop for soldering as you have to get within about 2 inches to focus while closing your left eye, still doable though. Reading any chip is no problem.

When you flip it out of the way the focal distance is about 5-6 inches to the front of the headset. So it will be very handy for soldering and possibly getting a snoot full of burnt flux. The LED is really bright and you can adjust the angle of the light with the little metal toggle you can see in front of the power switch. This is probably to allow you to see what your looking at without getting light reflected back at you.

I used it to look at the chips on the miniAPM to determine if there was an onboard compass chip and to check if the JP1 pad was cut that disables the onboard compass if it is present. No onboard compass and JP1 is pre-cut, making the miniAPM a true 2.6 version. Very happy with these purchases so far. I will be testing the miniAPM this weekend on Mission Planner.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 12, 2014, 04:57:47 PM
Picked up the ZMR250 frame from the post office on the way home from work. The holes for the arms are a little bit difficult to get in as they are spot on the same size as the bolts and the holes line up pretty well perfectly, so there is no tolerance for anything to be misaligned.

This is the frame in comparison with the Reptile-Aphid X450.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 12, 2014, 05:08:10 PM
I just received my Devo 7 / RX701 combo -- Looks like I have to learn a whole new programming skill set ....

One question for ye who know this stuff - The receiver has 7 ports and a Batt/Bind port - Do I need 7 cables to join up to the naza ?? DJI only had one going into the X2 slot -

Coz I'll have to make up some short 3 conductor leads if its necessary ---

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 12, 2014, 05:18:21 PM
I just received my Devo 7 / RX701 combo -- Looks like I have to learn a whole new programming skill set ....

One question for ye who know this stuff - The receiver has 7 ports and a Batt/Bind port - Do I need 7 cables to join up to the naza ?? DJI only had one going into the X2 slot -

Coz I'll have to make up some short 3 conductor leads if its necessary ---

Cheers

Steve
I've only got 5 at the moment, 4 for AETR, one for flight modes on 3 position switch, that's the bare minimum you need for the Naza. But I'll be using one more receiver channel for gimbal tilt, and possibly another for switching between FPV camera and SJ4000 gopro knockoff. I'm not sure if the Naza has auto tune, so the last channel I have may be used for that if it's a feature on the Naza.

I made up short connectors, keeps it real tidy. X3 connector is the voltage sensor from the PMU.

If your receiver is CPPM compatible, you can use just one servo connection between the receiver and Naza. That why I bought this little sucker for the mini quad. A six channel CPPM receiver.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 14, 2014, 09:53:42 AM
Connected everything up today -- Got the Naza to bind OK BUT for the life of me I cannot get the Emax / motors to fire up -- I've done the calib procedure several times with one connection to throttle and although it makes all the correct beep beep noises - Not one motor will kick -
So gunna try a Q-Brain 4 in 1 .. After that it will be 4 x ESCs and some very messy soldering ...Ughhh
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 14, 2014, 02:20:10 PM
Connected everything up today -- Got the Naza to bind OK BUT for the life of me I cannot get the Emax / motors to fire up -- I've done the calib procedure several times with one connection to throttle and although it makes all the correct beep beep noises - Not one motor will kick -
So gunna try a Q-Brain 4 in 1 .. After that it will be 4 x ESCs and some very messy soldering ...Ughhh
Steve
Hmmm, if the motors are beeping it says that the motor is powered up and it is has powered up the receiver via the ESC cable, but not necessarily a signal. Have you tried moving the ESC cable between channel 1 through 4 on the receiver and then moving the throttle. Once you find the correct channel, it should still fire up the motors without calibrating it.If thats what the problem is that is. If you look at the picture of the CPPM receiver I posted above with two red antennas, the sticker on the receiver says throttle is channel 1, but my radio is configured to output throttle on channel 3.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 14, 2014, 03:28:34 PM
OK -- a little more care and attention to detail and from what you said above - I now have motor working when plugged directly into the receiver when I include the Naza I don't get any motor motion UNTIL I unplug the ESC from Naza then motor runs for about 1 second ... Does that sound like my Naza has problems ??
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on December 14, 2014, 03:35:07 PM
OK -- a little more care and attention to detail and from what you said above - I now have motor working when plugged directly into the receiver when I include the Naza I don't get any motor motion UNTIL I unplug the ESC from Naza then motor runs for about 1 second ... Does that sound like my Naza has problems ??
Steve,
Have you got the NAZA assistant software? If not then get it and have a look at what the software is telling you.
That is where I would start.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 14, 2014, 03:38:12 PM
I'm playing with Naza Assistant now and the throttle indicator is going across and back as it should but I'm not getting output to the ESC ... Tried flipping the plug and makes no dofference ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on December 14, 2014, 03:40:15 PM
Are you doing the arming procedure? How about using the motor test section to check rotation?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 14, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Arming the motors - Hmmmm - That would be a good idea wouldn't it !! I'll let ya know ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on December 14, 2014, 03:49:49 PM
Arming the motors - Hmmmm - That would be a good idea wouldn't it !! I'll let ya know ...
Motors will only arm when not connected to the PC via USB
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 14, 2014, 04:37:19 PM
Bummer -- Tried every combination - As soon as I add in the Naza I have no motor operations at all.. Leave it out and Elev , Ail , Throt and Rudd all work the motors....
AND
the usual arming sequence of sticks to lowest position in corners DON"t work either connected to PC or not connected ....

I'm lost ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 14, 2014, 05:05:22 PM
Well I managed to get some flying into today!!!!  Thank you mother in law who was able to babysit for an hour to let me do this.  I put the tricopter up and I was right about my previous front left motor, I replaced it after last time and the issue has gone away, no random stalling of the motor.  Got about 35 mins in of actual flying time, and used about 8500mah off two 3s 5000mah (not mounted at the same time), so very happy with the flying times.  Would have gotten nearly 18 mins a battery with 20% spare.

I'm happy with my reinforcing of the battery tray, I had some strong winds today and when I was flying at around 30km/h with a -45 degree pitch it became unstable in the wind.  Had a spinning wild pitching blackhawk down type moment.  Felt like I was recovering with stabilise mode but stupidly thought loiter would be better....  Nope, another 1m higher and keeping it in stabilise and I would have recovered.  No real damage with a hit to the ground from several metres with an vertical impact speed of 2m per sec.....  Wasn't my plan to test out the new mounts but it certainly did handle it well.

Rest of the flying went well but I kept the pitch to less than 30 degrees and kept to less than 30km/h.  I think my autotune needs to be done again, seemed to have to correct excessively, but it might have been the wind.  Will test again in still winds to see if it was just the winds today.

On another note, I have the mini 250 quad build happening.  I have the frame assembled, mounted the motors and props (wow not much clearance at all, 5inch is the largest I can put on this thing.  I have a good use for a rp-sma extension cable, so I have the FPV Tx antenna mounted off the frame nicely.  Most stuff will be kept to to inside of the frame, so far only the battery (2200mah) is going to be mounted on the bottom but still clear of the ground with the landing gear and the FPV tx is sitting horizontal on the top.  I will most likely move this to the inside as I should have spare room for it.  Will leave plenty of room for the action cam if I want it in the future.

I had one of those moments....... You know the kind where you ask yourself, "are you stupid....."  I thought I had everything to put this together....  Nope I realised that I forgot to buy 2mm bullet connectors.....  I'd have to direct solder the motors but since this wont be the frame I use in the long run I thought It was best to use the connectors so now I have to wait till Tuesday for a rush order to arrive, otherwise I'd have had the quad up today too.  I'll swap over to the mini APM when it arrives too.

I plan to do everything else tonight on the quad so that I can take it for a spin as soon as I get the connectors (will post pics later tonight).  Best part is that after it's first test flight (at my normal oval I fly at) I can do some serious testing out the front of my place as I've got a small reserve that has a few trees.  If all goes well I should be zipping around those by the end of the week :-)

Marschy, I should be able to do the sonar testing tonight (once my daughter goes to bed) and plan to mount it to the Tricopter if it works well.  Will let you know hoe it goes.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 14, 2014, 05:06:51 PM
Bummer -- Tried every combination - As soon as I add in the Naza I have no motor operations at all.. Leave it out and Elev , Ail , Throt and Rudd all work the motors....
AND
the usual arming sequence of sticks to lowest position in corners DON"t work either connected to PC or not connected ....

I'm lost ...

Have you checked that the endpoints are allowing it go get to the full extents?  That might be stopping it from arming?

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 14, 2014, 05:10:46 PM
Have you checked that the endpoints are allowing it go get to the full extents?  That might be stopping it from arming?

Chris

Some have suggested on RCGroups to try calibrating the ESC off the Naza with a higher endpoint (116%) and then calibrating on the Naza with 100% endpoints.  Seems to have worked for some.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 14, 2014, 05:16:56 PM
In the DJI world their controller has a spring loaded centre position throttle - so up is forward throttle and down is reverse throttle - So the end points for that stick would be max rev throttle and max left or right - On the Devo 7 throttle only goes from 0 to 100% ( no reverse ) - Could that be the problemo ??? Maybe I can alter the end point from 0 to negative 100% ??
I'll go get the controller and see if there's an option .... I'm tired -- my head hurts -
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 14, 2014, 05:30:59 PM
In the DJI world their controller has a spring loaded centre position throttle - so up is forward throttle and down is reverse throttle - So the end points for that stick would be max rev throttle and max left or right - On the Devo 7 throttle only goes from 0 to 100% ( no reverse ) - Could that be the problemo ??? Maybe I can alter the end point from 0 to negative 100% ??
I'll go get the controller and see if there's an option .... I'm tired -- my head hurts -



Hope this helps, according to the manual it's called travel adjust, it's on page 48 of http://www.walkera.com/en/productinformation/DEVO7_EM.pdf (http://www.walkera.com/en/productinformation/DEVO7_EM.pdf)

Also make sure that you dont have any sub trim or expo turned on either.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 14, 2014, 05:35:52 PM
In the DJI world their controller has a spring loaded centre position throttle - so up is forward throttle and down is reverse throttle - So the end points for that stick would be max rev throttle and max left or right - On the Devo 7 throttle only goes from 0 to 100% ( no reverse ) - Could that be the problemo ??? Maybe I can alter the end point from 0 to negative 100% ??
I'll go get the controller and see if there's an option .... I'm tired -- my head hurts -

Ah, now I understand the 0 to 100% will amplify it - both directions.  Seems it only goes to 100%, bugger.

Also make sure there isnt a throttle curve programmed in as it might be preventing it reaching the right point.   Does the Naza software say what the PWM values are?

In the Naza assistant what is it saying for the values, as you move the throttle does it go the full range or is it less than that?

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 14, 2014, 10:23:55 PM
Hi Mark,

I've got some interesting news for you....

I hooked up the sonar, here are my results:

Measured Distance / Reported Distance
20cm / 20cm
40cm / 40cm
80cm / 77cm
100cm / 105cm
180cm / 170cm

APM 2.6 Board running AC3.2 firmware.

These were very quick and dirty tests, but so far I'm impressed for a $15 item.  I tried a wall that was approx 3m away and the figures just bounced around so I'm taking that as it cant really do good measurements that far off.  Good enough for me though if I want to do an alt hold and stay above 2m off any object below I'll be happy with that.

I'll do some better testing once I've mounted it on the Tricoper.  Was pretty simple to setup just plug and play :-)  Not sure why I havent got this thing already mounted on the Tri.

If you are running the AC3.2 firmware the bad news for you is it appears it it isnt the APM firmware, likely to be the piggyback boards firmware....  If your still on 3.1 then I'd suggest upgrading to AC3.2 to see if that fixes it, if not then I'd recommend playing with the RNGFND_SCALING variable, since yours is out by a consistent amount you might find a slightly more optimal value?  If you change the APM code to adjust you'll need to keep merging your code in everytime you update the firmware.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 14, 2014, 11:21:30 PM
Bummer -- Tried every combination - As soon as I add in the Naza I have no motor operations at all.. Leave it out and Elev , Ail , Throt and Rudd all work the motors....
AND
the usual arming sequence of sticks to lowest position in corners DON"t work either connected to PC or not connected ....

I'm lost ...
I'm now playing catch up to you Steve. Putting together 3 quads at the same time will probably do that.

I've now loaded the drivers, firmware and I'm getting the same problems as you. I can't arm the motors. Time to start reading the wiki's on the DJI website I think. I'm having problems calibrating channel 5 on the radio, probably the servo lead. This appears to be putting the flight controller in failsafe mode when you look at the Basic > Rc page in Naza Assist. The 'Failsafe' option is highlighted, so I think I've got to get that sorted out before I can proceed any further.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 14, 2014, 11:27:27 PM
Hi Mark,

I've got some interesting news for you....

I hooked up the sonar, here are my results:

Measured Distance / Reported Distance
20cm / 20cm
40cm / 40cm
80cm / 77cm
100cm / 105cm
180cm / 170cm

APM 2.6 Board running AC3.2 firmware.

These were very quick and dirty tests, but so far I'm impressed for a $15 item.  I tried a wall that was approx 3m away and the figures just bounced around so I'm taking that as it cant really do good measurements that far off.  Good enough for me though if I want to do an alt hold and stay above 2m off any object below I'll be happy with that.

I'll do some better testing once I've mounted it on the Tricoper.  Was pretty simple to setup just plug and play :-)  Not sure why I havent got this thing already mounted on the Tri.

If you are running the AC3.2 firmware the bad news for you is it appears it it isnt the APM firmware, likely to be the piggyback boards firmware....  If your still on 3.1 then I'd suggest upgrading to AC3.2 to see if that fixes it, if not then I'd recommend playing with the RNGFND_SCALING variable, since yours is out by a consistent amount you might find a slightly more optimal value?  If you change the APM code to adjust you'll need to keep merging your code in everytime you update the firmware.

Chris
Ah, didn't know about that. Just hooking the Reptile up now. It's updating Mission Planner first, so I'll check what firmware is loaded after that using the CLI.

Edit: Yep, I'm running 3.1.5. I'm going to upgrade right now and see what happens with the sonar after that. Tomorrow that is.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 14, 2014, 11:58:34 PM
Well that was 3 hours I'll never get back.....  Sigh, I had a spare R615X laying around that I thought ripper that will go into the 250 Quad.  Seemed to do odd stuff with PPM mode until, I decided to start from scratch and rebind, and reconnect it to the APM step by step.....  Then it just worked.  So annoying.....  Why didnt it do this the first time.....

So I only got some sonar testing and stuffing around with the receiver and basic APM checks....  Grrr, no pics tonight as I havent got all the stuff mounted yet, will have to be during the week for that one.  This quad better take flight this week or I'm going to go insane!!

Also no time to post any vids to youtube, time to go to bed and restart afresh tomorrow.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 15, 2014, 12:17:28 AM
Well that was 3 hours I'll never get back.....  Sigh, I had a spare R615X laying around that I thought ripper that will go into the 250 Quad.  Seemed to do odd stuff with PPM mode until, I decided to start from scratch and rebind, and reconnect it to the APM step by step.....  Then it just worked.  So annoying.....  Why didnt it do this the first time.....

So I only got some sonar testing and stuffing around with the receiver and basic APM checks....  Grrr, no pics tonight as I havent got all the stuff mounted yet, will have to be during the week for that one.  This quad better take flight this week or I'm going to go insane!!

Also no time to post any vids to youtube, time to go to bed and restart afresh tomorrow.

Chris
Is this the new mini quad?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 15, 2014, 12:21:22 AM
Chris,

Can you post your RNGFND params please?

Cheers, Mark
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 15, 2014, 12:35:55 AM
Ah, didn't know about that. Just hooking the Reptile up now. It's updating Mission Planner first, so I'll check what firmware is loaded after that using the CLI.

Edit: Yep, I'm running 3.1.5. I'm going to upgrade right now and see what happens with the sonar after that. Tomorrow that is.

Hi Mark,

I only found out today too, I hooked up the Bixler APM to put in the 250 quad and got a message saying I could update.....  I figured why not.

If it is still an issue after the update I think the parameter RNGFND_OFFSET is the one that will fix your woes.  Since it's consistently off by a percentage I'd say the volts it's reading are too high, maybe tinker with this setting and the other one to find something that works for you.

I should by shares in cable ties....

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 15, 2014, 07:14:45 AM
Is this the new mini quad?
Sure is, this thing is going to heaps of fun and its so small (very portable). Cant wait for it to take flight.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 15, 2014, 07:19:04 AM
Chris,

Can you post your RNGFND params please?

Cheers, Mark
RNGFND_PIN 0
RNGFND_MAX_CM 250
RNGFND_SCALING 2.04
RNDFND_TYPE 1
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 15, 2014, 07:29:15 AM
Chris, have you had any trouble connecting to the CLI since upgrading the firmware?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 15, 2014, 08:59:08 AM
Chris, have you had any trouble connecting to the CLI since upgrading the firmware?

Sorry should have mentioned they had to drop the CLI to make room in the APM.  All CLI functions have been moved to the various screens.  I miss it too....
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 15, 2014, 09:44:35 AM
Where do you see the sonar height?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 15, 2014, 09:45:07 AM
After much fiddling around with Devo and Naza assistant I finally have a centre position throttle and managed to arm the motors ...

For some reason I am getting RED blinking light on the Naza - obviously one of my switch setting changes has done something there - However motors work and now
I have to get them to rotate in the correct ways ... Once all 4 are working CW and CCW then I'll try and investigate the GPS / Naza RED LED situation ---

Another 4 pkgs at Post today to collect - Should be the FPV cameras , Gimbal hooks , and the Radiolink controller ( no 4 is an ABC DVD for Xmas.)

Once again thanks for your help guys - Pointed me in the right direction again ..

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 15, 2014, 09:52:50 AM
After much fiddling around with Devo and Naza assistant I finally have a centre position throttle and managed to arm the motors ...

For some reason I am getting RED blinking light on the Naza - obviously one of my switch setting changes has done something there - However motors work and now
I have to get them to rotate in the correct ways ... Once all 4 are working CW and CCW then I'll try and investigate the GPS / Naza RED LED situation ---

Another 4 pkgs at Post today to collect - Should be the FPV cameras , Gimbal hooks , and the Radiolink controller ( no 4 is an ABC DVD for Xmas.)

Once again thanks for your help guys - Pointed me in the right direction again ..

Cheers

Steve
Hello Steve, What did you do to get the motors to arm?
Cheers, Mark
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 15, 2014, 09:56:19 AM
Once I had the throttle position at centre - It armed with the DJI setting - Both sticks full down and pushed to a lower opposite corner ..
Reverse throttle doesn't seem to work but I can work around that now that the motors and ESC are working ---
Looks like I may build another one as I bought the Q Brain ESC 4 in 1 ... Bit hasty methinks !! LOL
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 15, 2014, 09:59:31 AM
Forgot --- Also calibrated sticks in Naza and got them working in the correct directions
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 15, 2014, 10:15:39 AM
Steve, do you get an indication that the mode switch is working when your in the RC calibration screen. Does the blue highlighted area change from GPS, Atti, Failsafe as you flick the 3 way switch?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 15, 2014, 10:32:44 AM
Worked it out. I have to program a mix on my 3 position switch.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 15, 2014, 10:39:11 AM
Yeah - I'm having trouble setting the FMD switch -- Hoping the Radiolink will be easier to setup ... Its all about Input / Output and TRVAD of the correct switches -- I wanted to use my FMD switch on the right hand top of the Devo but I can't seem to find the settings for it - MIX switch is OK but its not the one I want to use ...

By the way DJI controls - to arm motors as I said BUT must be in GPS mode Throttle low must be at 100%.
After calibration in Naza the centre position becomes 50% and thats Idle when armed ?? Still can't figure that out but it works ...

.. to disarm push throttle to lowest centre position and hold for 3 seconds ..
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 15, 2014, 10:42:31 AM
One other thing - When you switch off the controller the Naza is supposed to drop into Failsafe - It doesn't with my Devo and I don't know why yet -- Still working on that too !!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 15, 2014, 12:12:15 PM
Where do you see the sonar height?

In two locations, the first is the on the optional hardware screen it is next to the enable tick box (enable tick box doesnt work for me...), it should have the height and voltage reading.

Second location is on the status screen of the flight data screen, if you scroll it across (the tab that has all the raw data values) you'll find one that says sonar height.

If they are showing 0 then try restarting the APM, that's what worked for me, since then it shows up unless I restart it without the sonar settings turned off.  Even when I disconnect the sonar and leave the settings it still gives some values, so watch out for that one.  If sonar on board make sure it's connected, if not then make sure the settings are turned off for it.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 15, 2014, 12:25:28 PM
Hi Mark and Steve,

I have to ask, what's the attraction with the Naza?  Besides it appears to have a really smooth out of the box feel?  I did a quick look today and seems the full version is very pricey and the lite version is a good price but it is very restricted (did I read that right no pmu or osd)?  I'm guessing if you went with the lite version you'd need to add a third party OSD, etc which is just more weight?

Before I saw all the issues you guys are having I would have said it was easier to setup than the APM but I'm rethinking that comment now  ;D

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 15, 2014, 12:55:51 PM
I went with it because I have a  Phantom and understood how it operated..Building my own has shown a lot of shortcomings. DJI stuff is obviously very user simplified..My OSD weighs 5 GMs so not too worried.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 15, 2014, 02:46:37 PM
I went with it because I have a  Phantom and understood how it operated..Building my own has shown a lot of shortcomings. DJI stuff is obviously very user simplified..My OSD weighs 5 GMs so not too worried.

Makes sense, before the posts I would have steered people towards it, not so sure now.  Sounds like if you buy a kit or buy a RTF then it looks good, appears to be very smooth from what I can see.  If your a builder I'll recommend other boards, depending on what they need to do.

Is the OSD a 3rd party OSD or is the Naza OSD?  Just that I thought the lite version didn't allow it to be added?

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 15, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
Its a Remzibi OSD but its designed for DJI use - Its got the correct sockets to plug in the LED and GPS - I might get to test it soon ...

Alien completion is now on the back burner again ...
One of my motors doesn't want to go around and around it likes to go backwards and forwards sort of vibrating - tried it in a couple of ESC sockets all the same ...!!!!
Is that kaput ??
Do I need to buy a new one ??
Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 15, 2014, 04:08:47 PM
Hi Mark and Steve,

I have to ask, what's the attraction with the Naza?  Besides it appears to have a really smooth out of the box feel?  I did a quick look today and seems the full version is very pricey and the lite version is a good price but it is very restricted (did I read that right no pmu or osd)?  I'm guessing if you went with the lite version you'd need to add a third party OSD, etc which is just more weight?

Before I saw all the issues you guys are having I would have said it was easier to setup than the APM but I'm rethinking that comment now  ;D

Chris
My wife gave me some pocket money, so I bought the best that my allowance would buy, but it had to include automation to some degree and an OSD/FPV system to allow me to get in flight video using better methods than LOS could provide.

If the allowance hadn't come my way I would have opted for a cheaper flight controller.

The only advantage I am seeing with the Naza flight controller so far is the tidy cabling and the simple software for setup, but I haven't put it in the air yet, apparently the Attitude and GPS modes are killer for aerial videography.

Having said that the supported frames, flight modes and add-ons with the APM are great fun to muck around with.

All of my quads have been self build so far, just the way I like 'em.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 15, 2014, 04:34:44 PM
Its a Remzibi OSD but its designed for DJI use - Its got the correct sockets to plug in the LED and GPS - I might get to test it soon ...

Alien completion is now on the back burner again ...
One of my motors doesn't want to go around and around it likes to go backwards and forwards sort of vibrating - tried it in a couple of ESC sockets all the same ...!!!!
Is that kaput ??
Do I need to buy a new one ??
Cheers
Steve
If you have used 3.5mm bullet connectors on the motor leads, or it came with them, then cut the heat shrink off and check the solder joints. If one of the motor leads has a dry joint, this is symptomatic of a dry solder joint. Don't run the motor up again until you've checked it out because you can burn your ESC out.

I've had similar issues with my 2280kv Emax motors, the motor leads use enamelled copper wire and getting rid of the enamel without weakening the wire is proving quite difficult. I have to get some acetone which will apparently dissolve the enamelling and allow them to be tinned properly prior to soldering them directly to my ESC's.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 15, 2014, 05:27:06 PM
Bugger - Could be my bodgy soldering coz I extended the leads by soldering and shrink tube .. Better check them then ... Thanks mate !!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 15, 2014, 11:49:03 PM
Hmmm, just when you think you have the MinimOSD stuff sorted, it bites you in the arse.....

I was wiring up the 250 Mini Quad and hooked it all up and it kind of worked.  Had the OSD boot screen, and it was waiting for mavlink heartbeat messages.  I then hooked up the telemetry radio to supply those, I did it without the Minim connected, it wouldnt connect, so I rejigged the wire layout to be the same as on my tricopter and I could then connect.  Next I plugged in the MinimOSD, and I got lots of magic smoke......  Seems it's from the analogue side, pin 4 on the top left has burn marks.

I think I'm going to just run the damn things as 5v from now on.  It's just too expensive to run them as 12V.  So I've ordered 3 new minims, hoping to receive two of them before I drive to the Gold Coast for Christmas it will be touch and go.  The other is a MavlinkOSD, not sure if there is much of a deference but I'll read up some more.

I also ordered 5 analogue chips for $15 so I'll see if I can resurrect the dead board (and have 4 spares for when I do it again....)

Such a bad design.  On a plus my wiring all looked nice, but since I'm dropping to 5v for the minimOSD I'll have to redo parts of it.  Once those bullet connectors arrive and I have the ESC's mounted I'll take some happy snaps.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 15, 2014, 11:57:02 PM
The only advantage I am seeing with the Naza flight controller so far is the tidy cabling and the simple software for setup, but I haven't put it in the air yet, apparently the Attitude and GPS modes are killer for aerial videography.

This is what I hear, I'll wait to see the results from you guys.  Doubt I'll make the jump to it, I do plan to pick up a pixhawk clone in the new year.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 06:11:10 AM
Hmmm, just when you think you have the MinimOSD stuff sorted, it bites you in the arse.....

I was wiring up the 250 Mini Quad and hooked it all up and it kind of worked.  Had the OSD boot screen, and it was waiting for mavlink heartbeat messages.  I then hooked up the telemetry radio to supply those, I did it without the Minim connected, it wouldnt connect, so I rejigged the wire layout to be the same as on my tricopter and I could then connect.  Next I plugged in the MinimOSD, and I got lots of magic smoke......  Seems it's from the analogue side, pin 4 on the top left has burn marks.

I think I'm going to just run the damn things as 5v from now on.  It's just too expensive to run them as 12V.  So I've ordered 3 new minims, hoping to receive two of them before I drive to the Gold Coast for Christmas it will be touch and go.  The other is a MavlinkOSD, not sure if there is much of a deference but I'll read up some more.

I also ordered 5 analogue chips for $15 so I'll see if I can resurrect the dead board (and have 4 spares for when I do it again....)

Such a bad design.  On a plus my wiring all looked nice, but since I'm dropping to 5v for the minimOSD I'll have to redo parts of it.  Once those bullet connectors arrive and I have the ESC's mounted I'll take some happy snaps.

Chris
Hate to be the bearer of bad news. The Mavlink-OSD's don't have the solder pads to run the video chip on 5 volts. It is powered via an onboard 5 volt regulator that is supplied from the 12 volt video transmitter supply.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 16, 2014, 06:46:14 AM
Here's something you don't need to find out the hard way --- coupla months back I bought a 12v camera for FPV ( Its on the FC40 I lost ) - So I figured it was a nice easy 12v install so I bought 2 more - one for Alien and one for the new FC40 ... All wired up plugged in battery and Phhht Pop smoke !! Fortunately for me I opened the dead one up to see what happened - The previous connecting cable that I used is the reverse of the one supplied with the new camera ( I figured they would be the same from same supplier ) -
So I've had to swap the video and +ve leads around and it sort of works now - Got to find the correct frequency settings on the Boscams as its a bit scratchy at the moment but OSD is showing ..
Progress ??
Had to drill 4 holes in the Alien floor to hold the new landing gear as the gimbal mounting hooks are 10mm not 12mm !! So had to replace the Aliens support rods and add the landing gear support rods behind .. Now All I have to do is fix that motor .... More work later today ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 08:44:12 AM
Have you added a filter for your FPV camera Steve?

If you are running the camera from the same power supply as your ESC's you will possibly get lines on the video output when the motors are spinning under load.

I made the inductor myself, but you can purchase them from Jaycar. You will also need a 470uF 25 volt capacitor.

http://search.jaycar.com.au/search?w=ferrite%20choke&view=list (http://search.jaycar.com.au/search?w=ferrite%20choke&view=list)

(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/5/1/4/5/3/2/a7338889-32-PDM%20Exploded%20view.JPG)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 16, 2014, 08:51:02 AM
Hooked it up before and I have very crappy OSD but no video feed from camera ??? Will try again later today..No filters or capacitors yet
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 09:39:06 AM
Hate to be the bearer of bad news. The Mavlink-OSD's don't have the solder pads to run the video chip on 5 volts. It is powered via an onboard 5 volt regulator that is supplied from the 12 volt video transmitter supply.

Hmmm, I was reading up on these, sounds like they have a better regulator that is less likely to go poof.....  I might be on a winner here.

The MinimOSD's seems to be a very poor design, it looks like what they should have done all along is make the 12V line a passthrough (connect the input pin to the output pin) and ran the board off 5V.  Crazy since the analogue chip can only take 5.25V max according to it's datasheet.  I think it was when people were using a 2nd battery for their video and wanted the power to be used from it, now we run it off the one battery it makes absolutely no sense to build it the way they have.  I'm strongly thinking of trying to modify one so that it does the above.

Good news is I have 1 of these on the way (MAVLINK OSD) and 2 HK MinimOSD's on the way.  With 5 spare chips on the way I should be able to fix the issue - should have these boards coming out of my ears :-).  I've never had to solder so many SMD components before, this is getting fun, I haven't soldered an SMD IC in 10+ years, I've done other components, will be interesting.

Now I have to work out what the actual issue is, I'm wondering if this happened because the telemetry harness is wrong.  I had to do alot of moving stuff on the telemetry radio plug and the APM end, wondering if that stuffed up something on the Minim's input (maybe I'm applying 5V to a 3.3V circuit somewhere?).  Lots of checking tonight.

To get it up and running I'll just run the feed from the camera straight to the VTx so that it wont hold me up waiting for the Minim's.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 09:50:52 AM
Here's something you don't need to find out the hard way --- coupla months back I bought a 12v camera for FPV ( Its on the FC40 I lost ) - So I figured it was a nice easy 12v install so I bought 2 more - one for Alien and one for the new FC40 ... All wired up plugged in battery and Phhht Pop smoke !! Fortunately for me I opened the dead one up to see what happened - The previous connecting cable that I used is the reverse of the one supplied with the new camera ( I figured they would be the same from same supplier ) -
So I've had to swap the video and +ve leads around and it sort of works now - Got to find the correct frequency settings on the Boscams as its a bit scratchy at the moment but OSD is showing ..
Progress ??
Had to drill 4 holes in the Alien floor to hold the new landing gear as the gimbal mounting hooks are 10mm not 12mm !! So had to replace the Aliens support rods and add the landing gear support rods behind .. Now All I have to do is fix that motor .... More work later today ...

I've done this before (swapped power wires), but in my case it killed my VTX (camera was fine, although I thought I had fried it but it's now getting mounted on the mini quad!).  I agree with Mark I'd put a ferrite choke on it, you might find that is all is needed.  If not then step it up with the capacitor.  I have several ferrites in my draw (clip on and doughnut shaped) for this reason, never know when interference will strike.

For this reason I now triple check my VTx to camera power arrangements.....  Now adding checking the digital end on the MinimOSD......  Hmmm, maybe I should triple check everything before powering up the first time.....

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 10:03:33 AM
Looking forward to seeing some progress pictures on your mini quad Chris. The MavlinkOSD's are a lot cheaper for some reason, curious.

I reckon I know why the Multistar 30A ESC's were pulled from the Hobbyking website. The 4 that I have on the Alien spin up the motors with no problem, but don't make any beeping noises whatsoever when powered up. I reckon I scored some of the ESC's that many people have been complaining about as being duds. I tried programming one of them using the multistar programming card and they don't respond to programming whatsoever.

The multistars I have on the Reptile make all the appropriate noises and can be programmed.

I swapped one over for one of the new blue series 30A ESC's and it works a treat. No sync issues at all using stock firmware. I'm going to swap them all over now. It's a time consuming process though as I have to solder extensions onto the power and motor wires.

This might be the reason I can't arm the motors.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 10:26:37 AM
I bought some 12x40x1.6mm aluminium angle yesterday. I'm going to make a tilt gimbal for the mini quad. I've ordered two of these pan-tilt gimbals from Hobbyking and I'm going to pinch the bearings and servo tie rods and the fiberglass plate that the camera and servo is attached to.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11442__FPV_Fiberglass_Pan_Tilt_Camera_Mount_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11442__FPV_Fiberglass_Pan_Tilt_Camera_Mount_.html)

The aluminium bracket is going to be used to replace the fiberglass frame so the bracket will fit inside the mini quad frame. There is a lot of wasted space between the fiberglass plate and the bottom plate where the pan servo goes, so I'm going to lose that space when I make the bracket.

The bracket will look something like either of these designs that I am toying around with. The 12mm part of the angle will be screwed to the mini quad frame. I reckon the second one should work. The hole is where the flange bearing will go.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: allan.kidd on December 16, 2014, 10:48:50 AM
Well - mine has arrived!  Now to find a very large, flat, treeless area with no wind. Heart in mouth for the first flight!

The camera attachment should arrive in a few weeks.

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/Allan66/_DSC2520_zps3ff790ec.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Allan66/media/_DSC2520_zps3ff790ec.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 10:58:35 AM
Very nice
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 11:08:33 AM
I bought some 12x40x1.6mm aluminium angle yesterday. I'm going to make a tilt gimbal for the mini quad. I've ordered two of these pan-tilt gimbals from Hobbyking and I'm going to pinch the bearings and servo tie rods and the fiberglass plate that the camera and servo is attached to.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11442__FPV_Fiberglass_Pan_Tilt_Camera_Mount_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11442__FPV_Fiberglass_Pan_Tilt_Camera_Mount_.html)


Hi, I have some of these, just be aware that they are a tight fit.  The tabs that slide into the slots are a bit big for the slots, I used some sandpaper to widen the slots by a bit.  Don't sand the tabs as there isnt much to them to start with.....  Don't try to force it or the tabs will get damaged.

I also found out that none of my cameras mount to these without modification, the plugs get in the way (even though it has cutouts, they are never where my plugs are).  I thought about using some small standoffs, never got around to it, but might for the 700 TVL camera, when I find somewhere to put it.

Did you get some small micro servos to use on them?

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 11:19:07 AM
Looking forward to seeing some progress pictures on your mini quad Chris. The MavlinkOSD's are a lot cheaper for some reason, curious.

I reckon I know why the Multistar 30A ESC's were pulled from the Hobbyking website. The 4 that I have on the Alien spin up the motors with no problem, but don't make any beeping noises whatsoever when powered up. I reckon I scored some of the ESC's that many people have been complaining about as being duds. I tried programming one of them using the multistar programming card and they don't respond to programming whatsoever.

The multistars I have on the Reptile make all the appropriate noises and can be programmed.

I swapped one over for one of the new blue series 30A ESC's and it works a treat. No sync issues at all using stock firmware. I'm going to swap them all over now. It's a time consuming process though as I have to solder extensions onto the power and motor wires.

This might be the reason I can't arm the motors.

Hoping that the bullet connectors will be in the letterbox when I get home, so fingers crossed I can take a few pics tonight.  I'm feeling happy about the build, besides killing the MinimOSD.....  I'm curious about the MavLink being cheaper, I'll have a closer look at the parts when I get it in my hands.

On the ESC's, do they work when you wire them up direct to a receiver?  The no sound could be that they have been programmed not to sing.  Having said that, if the programming card doesn't work, I'd return them if you can.  More HK credit to spend :-)  I'd suggest if the FC cant talk to the ESC's as it's expecting then I'd agree it would be a strong reason, I guess you'll know for sure when you swap out the ESC's.

I decided to take the few grams of weight and do the connectors for the mini quad, so it was easy to swap bits if I broke stuff......  For the Tri it's all soldered besides the connection to the motors.

Does it have a distribution system?  If it does I'd consider soldering on bullet connectors to the distribution system so it's easy to swap out in the future?

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 11:23:01 AM
Well - mine has arrived!  Now to find a very large, flat, treeless area with no wind. Heart in mouth for the first flight!

The camera attachment should arrive in a few weeks.

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/Allan66/_DSC2520_zps3ff790ec.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/Allan66/media/_DSC2520_zps3ff790ec.jpg.html)


Looking nice an shiny and new!  You'll have a ball with it, even more when you get your camera mount.

Just keep it slow and steady for the first few flights, get a good feel for it, make sure that you go through all the prestart checks (props on tight, got GPS lock if it has one, etc.....)  Do not skip on any of the checks and if somethings not right, fix it first.  Oh and bring tools with you when you go, so that you can replace props, etc.....

If you have insurance already go to a local playing fields when no one's around, should give you plenty of space to work with.  I'd recommend going solo the first time.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 11:24:41 AM
Bugger - Could be my bodgy soldering coz I extended the leads by soldering and shrink tube .. Better check them then ... Thanks mate !!

So was that the cause?  Or is it a dodgy motor?  I'd agree it's more likely the wiring or the ESC that the issue.  The motor's a pretty simple beast.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 11:26:50 AM
Have you added a filter for your FPV camera Steve?

If you are running the camera from the same power supply as your ESC's you will possibly get lines on the video output when the motors are spinning under load.

I made the inductor myself, but you can purchase them from Jaycar. You will also need a 470uF 25 volt capacitor.

http://search.jaycar.com.au/search?w=ferrite%20choke&view=list (http://search.jaycar.com.au/search?w=ferrite%20choke&view=list)

(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/5/1/4/5/3/2/a7338889-32-PDM%20Exploded%20view.JPG)


Holy crap Mark, I just noticed the ferrite and the wraps.... You dont want any interference do you, usually a few wraps is enough......

You should also use twisted wire after the plug, it's the only way to be sure......
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 11:38:26 AM
G'day Chris,

The inductor is about 350uH according to my multimeter, should do the job. Not very clear in the photo, but to the left is a black electrolytic cap 470uF 25v. No different to the inductors sold by Jaycar, only difference is I rolled my own.

(http://www.jaycar.com.au/products_uploaded/product150_1632.jpg)

Unfortunately I've modified the ESC's by extending the wiring and reversed the direction of the power cables and re-heat shrunk them, so I cant return them.

If need be I can make a new backplate out of fiberglass for the gimbal. Already have some HXT900 9gm servos, I'll see if they fit, if not, I'll get some HXT500's. I'm going to connect it to the miniAPM like I have on the Reptile-Aphid. Just power it from a 5 volt BEC and connect the signal wire to A11 and configure the gimbal in Mission Planner

There are some simple designs on rcgroups that use cable ties as a hinge with a linear servo.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 16, 2014, 11:45:20 AM
Just removed my dodgy wiring from the equation -- plugged motor on its short leads into ESC and it just oscillates about 3mm forward and back - dodgy motor ...
I've already ordered Turnigy 2212 set , and complained to my Ebay supplier - If I can explain what the motor is doing I might get a replacement ??? Don't hold ya breath !!
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 11:46:33 AM
I'm not a fan of 3.5 bullet connectors. The number of times I've pulled the F450 apart and disconnected the motors from the ESC's, the bullet connectors now feel a little bit loose.

I'm also trying to eliminate any potential points of failure with the Alien560, so the less connectors, the better.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 11:52:32 AM
Just removed my dodgy wiring from the equation -- plugged motor on its short leads into ESC and it just oscillates about 3mm forward and back - dodgy motor ...
I've already ordered Turnigy 2212 set , and complained to my Ebay supplier - If I can explain what the motor is doing I might get a replacement ??? Don't hold ya breath !!
Steve
Do you mean the Multistar 2212 set? I've got the early version of these motors where all the prop nuts screw on in clockwise direction. Nice motors.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 16, 2014, 11:54:33 AM
These ones - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=68693 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=68693)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
Yep, same as mine but yours have CW and CCW prop nuts. Good motors at a great price. When they first came out they had green prop nuts/spinners.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 12:39:04 PM
I'm not a fan of 3.5 bullet connectors. The number of times I've pulled the F450 apart and disconnected the motors from the ESC's, the bullet connectors now feel a little bit loose.

I'm also trying to eliminate any potential points of failure with the Alien560, so the less connectors, the better.

That's fair enough, I considered it for the mini quad but I thought I'll break stuff so I'd go with easy replacement strategy.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 12:40:40 PM
I've just spent my allowance for this month on a FPV camera (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-to-RU-1-3-SONY-CCD-Effio-E-DSP-700TVL-2-1mm-Lens-CCTV/1446416542.html) with a 2.1mm lens (150 degree FOV) for the mini quad. I also bought a 2.5mm (130 degree FOV) and a 2.8mm (115 degree FOV) lens. It will be interesting to see what the different lenses look like through my goggles and the ground station. They also have a 1.8mm lens (170 degree FOV) which I may give a go at some point in the future.

It took me a while to find a supplier that had each of the above lens sizes as well as a Sony Effio CCD board camera, so probably not the cheapest one I could have bought. Getting them all from the same supplier I can combine shipping and hopefully get them during my holidays over Xmas.

I've also got 16 pairs of Gemfan 5030 props coming from Hobbyking. I'm planning on breaking a few on the mini quad.

Edit:A good number of the camera's with these size lenses also mention the magic FPV three letter acronym, and along with that the price seems to increase accordingly. What I find interesting though is that the demand for these camera's by the RC fraternity must be so high that suppliers stick the FPV tag on these products, even though they are designed as security cameras. It gives some measure of the level of demand.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 03:49:03 PM
I've also got 16 pairs of Gemfan 5030 props coming from Hobbyking. I'm planning on breaking a few on the mini quad.

Seems we are thinking along the same lines, I some HK clear ones (12), I have 12 coloured GF on the way and I have some ebay specials on the way (another 12).  I just want to make sure that a broken prop wont ruin my day.

Mine are two bladed, are you using 2 or 3 bladed props?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
Seems we are thinking along the same lines, I some HK clear ones (12), I have 12 coloured GF on the way and I have some ebay specials on the way (another 12).  I just want to make sure that a broken prop wont ruin my day.
Yep, lots of reading of the ZMR250 thread on rcgroups has lead me to this conclusion. I've ordered 8 pairs of orange props and 8 pairs of black. This is what I use on my F450 and Reptile. It helps with orientation no end.

I tend to break the front props more than the back ones due to me rolling the quad over when I land with any forward motion. This is why I'm doing away with the crab landing gear on the X-mode Alien once I've finished swapping over all the hardware from the F450 frame. The high centre of gravity on the F450 made it really easy to roll over, but I don't think this will be as much of a problem with the low centre of gravity with the mini quad or the X-mode Alien once its finished.

Are we going to see any build progress pictures of the mini quad Chris? Very keen to see what your doing with regard your build, I may be able to steal ideas from you. I'll post pictures as well once I make any progress other than just dry fitting the frame before I pull it apart again to start fitting electronic hardware.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 04:38:07 PM
Are we going to see any build progress pictures of the mini quad Chris? Very keen to see what your doing with regard your build, I may be able to steal ideas from you. I'll post pictures as well once I make any progress other than just dry fitting the frame before I pull it apart again to start fitting electronic hardware.

I can do that tonight, I'll take some pics tonight even if my bullet connectors aren't in yet (tonight is the first date on the expected arrival time - so I'm not realistically expecting them to be here since there is Christmas packages flying around.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 08:42:16 PM
Finally got the motors to arm. Dodgy bloody Multistar 30A Opto ESC's. Connected the Blue Series 30A ESC's and they all make the appropriate beeps and the motors spin up as soon as it arms. Yippee.

Just have the video transmitter to hook up then I'm ready to rock and roll.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 10:11:06 PM
Hi,

Had some success with the build of the mini quad.  I've got it to arm and I've been able to do a motor test which is great.

So here are some pics:

The camera that will be mounted, it has great low light abilities, seems to transition well between dark and light quickly:
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/16/d039c8aec120551870309080913dbfe0.jpg)

Overall build pics:
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/16/3a91637eec9a0adcf4068e2a4ca31a77.jpg)

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/16/eca7d306d583519e9b055f5e5409b698.jpg)

Pics of motor, esc and cable management:
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/16/e6d1f44c4f7802816bb6cfe70ff24f7a.jpg)

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/16/8082d30cb543d7d41dc7a86f4967a850.jpg)

I plan to put all the cables underneath and running through the body with mesh guard (like I've done with the camera).

Motor test went well, I removed the props for that part.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 10:37:28 PM
I was happy when I got home, there was a couple of envelopes with 2mm bullet connectors.

Got lots done as can be seen.  I built the wiring harness and added the bullet connectors.  I added the bullet connectors to the ESC's.  Used miles of shrink wrap.  I think I should buy shares in cable ties and shrink wrap......  Did a rough setup with the APM and gave it a go.

I had one motor that wouldn't work with the motor test, I noticed that the ESC's didnt sing, so I swap two wires (thank god I spent the time to put the bullet connectors in).  I removed the props at this stage.  I rebooted it and it I had some music from the ESC's and the motor tests then were successful.

I had a few arming check issues, so I took the props off and told it to skip the checks (since it was going to stay on the table).  I was able to arm it, I was getting good telemetry data.  Only data I wasnt getting was the power module data, so I'll need to track that down.

Still lots to do with the wiring, to make it look nice.  Will be good when I can get the Mini APM it will fit in the square spot.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 10:42:12 PM
Looking great Chris. You must be itching to try those Multistar Elites out. What do the windings look like?

 I know what you mean about the cable ties, I don't know how many cable ties have ended up in the bin after cutting them off to reorientate something on the Alien560.

Here is a handy link for you. I'm looking at the datasheet for the MAX7456 chip to see if I can work out what pin the 5 volt supply is connecting to by the 'via' on the back of the board

Installing MavlinkOSD to ArduFlyer 2.5 without releasing Magic Smoke (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1865775)

I've got a few ESC's lying around now that I am going to pinch the thermal film and aluminium heat sink from to make into a heat sink for the MAX7456 chip on the MavlinkOSD when I'm ready to install it on the mini quad.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 16, 2014, 10:52:31 PM
Ok, the picture in the rcgroups thread with the enamelled wire running from the 5 volt pin to the via on the back of the board is soldered to the track that runs between pins 21 and 24 of the MAX7456 chip.

Pin 21 - Analog Power-Supply Input.
Pin 24 - Driver Power-Supply Input.

(http://wallyoz.smugmug.com/photos/i-gzP3jCV/0/X2/i-gzP3jCV-X2.jpg)

So all in all, a pretty simple mod to power the whole board via the 5 volt supply from the flight control board.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 16, 2014, 11:27:21 PM
Looking great Chris. You must be itching to try those Multistar Elites out. What do the windings look like?

 I know what you mean about the cable ties, I don't know how many cable ties have ended up in the bin after cutting them off to reorientate something on the Alien560.

Here is a handy link for you. I'm looking at the datasheet for the MAX7456 chip to see if I can work out what pin the 5 volt supply is connecting to by the 'via' on the back of the board

Installing MavlinkOSD to ArduFlyer 2.5 without releasing Magic Smoke (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1865775)

I've got a few ESC's lying around now that I am going to pinch the thermal film and aluminium heat sink from to make into a heat sink for the MAX7456 chip on the MavlinkOSD when I'm ready to install it on the mini quad.


I will most likely still run the Mavlink with a mix of 5v and 12V.  The two minim's I've got on order I'll do the 5V conversion (solder the pads).

Thats a good thread, I started reading it today at work but didnt get very far (when people know your leaving everyone has a question for you), had a chance to really look at it tonight after your link reminded me I had only had a cursory look at it.

Interesting it was pin 4 and pin 5 that has signs of damage (mostly to pin 4).  According to the datasheet pin 4 is DGND and 5 is a Clock input....  I'll have to recheck the wiring harness for the telemetry and OSD, something seems odd there.  Sadly I wont get to check on that till tomorrow night.

I'm thinking of trying the heatsink idea too.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 17, 2014, 12:23:51 AM
Looking great Chris. You must be itching to try those Multistar Elites out. What do the windings look like?

Thank you, I want this one to be right from the get go, so happy to take my time but not too long....

They are nice motors, nice and tight windings, when I did the arm test I spun them upto 50% power with no props and man they make some noise, a good kind of noise that is.  The motors and ESC's seem to be very responsive.

Lots to do but should be up in the air with camera but no OSD later this week.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 17, 2014, 05:42:37 AM
Thank you, I want this one to be right from the get go, so happy to take my time but not too long....

They are nice motors, nice and tight windings, when I did the arm test I spun them upto 50% power with no props and man they make some noise, a good kind of noise that is.  The motors and ESC's seem to be very responsive.

Lots to do but should be up in the air with camera but no OSD later this week.
I know what you mean about the noise. Happened to me last night when I finally spun all 4 motors up at once. Great feeling after all the effort you go to build these things.

I put my finger on the bell housing to see which way the motors were spinning and got a surprise at the torque. Actually burnt the tip of my finger.

The good throttle response would come from how well the motors are matched to the ESC's. Gotta say I'm very happy with the Blue Series ESC's. So far from my brief experience with them with the Emax 2280kv motor for the mini quad and the Emax 650kv for the Alien the ESC's and motors are getting along very well. The 650 motors sounded really sweet.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 17, 2014, 08:40:40 AM
Hooray and hallelujah !!!!
Finally got the OSD FPV working ...yeehaaa doing the happy dance...
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/16/d9e46a54f98fd427221e77fb2640a741.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 17, 2014, 08:42:24 AM
That's my next task, and hopefully final one before the Alien's maiden flight.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 17, 2014, 08:45:40 AM
Now I can finish the top deck stuff !! - Might get the new motors today with a bit of luck ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 17, 2014, 08:51:23 AM
Looks fantastic Steve, I'll get mine up and running this weekend hopefully and post some pictures. Now that the Alien quad is close to completion, with the top plate removed, I removed each and every screw below the top plate and added a drop of Loctite 222 (purple stuff). Didn't see any point in doing it earlier. The I'll add a drop when the top plate goes on, hopefully for the last time.

After the top plate is attached, all that will be left to do is temporarily remove the motors from the mounts and use my 1 metre long steel ruler to level all of the motor mounts.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 17, 2014, 10:37:02 AM
Looks fantastic Steve, I'll get mine up and running this weekend hopefully and post some pictures. Now that the Alien quad is close to completion, with the top plate removed, I removed each and every screw below the top plate and added a drop of Loctite 222 (purple stuff). Didn't see any point in doing it earlier. The I'll add a drop when the top plate goes on, hopefully for the last time.

After the top plate is attached, all that will be left to do is temporarily remove the motors from the mounts and use my 1 metre long steel ruler to level all of the motor mounts.

Hi,

I'm thinking I'll loctite the motors but not sure about the frame.....  Might do the downwards facing bolts, the top plate I figured I'd be able to easily inspect those and I figure I'll be making some adjustments after the first couple of flights.

Might do the top plate after I'm sure I'm happy.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 17, 2014, 10:45:44 AM
Hi,

I'm thinking I'll loctite the motors but not sure about the frame.....  Might do the downwards facing bolts, the top plate I figured I'd be able to easily inspect those and I figure I'll be making some adjustments after the first couple of flights.

Might do the top plate after I'm sure I'm happy.

Chris
Anything that screws in metal should ideally have thread locker, not so important if you are screwing into nylon, i.e. spacers. Saves having to check screws every few flights as well.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 17, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
Well - After all my good work getting the OSD up and running - When fitting to upper deck I must have reversed the GPS plug - GPS gone to Quadcopter parts heaven !!! This stuff is so touchy about +ve and -ve - Sheesh --- So a new GPS module $130 odd OR a complete Naza M Lite kit - $169 odd - Hmmmm - Looks like I'm making inroads into my next quad ???
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 17, 2014, 12:42:36 PM
Well - After all my good work getting the OSD up and running - When fitting to upper deck I must have reversed the GPS plug - GPS gone to Quadcopter parts heaven !!! This stuff is so touchy about +ve and -ve - Sheesh --- So a new GPS module $130 odd OR a complete Naza M Lite kit - $169 odd - Hmmmm - Looks like I'm making inroads into my next quad ???

If you have fried the Naza GPS, for the sort of money you are talking about replacing the GPS or a complete Lite kit, I would be giving the APM flight controller some serious consideration. They just work, have more flight modes, you can add stuff to them like sonars which will impress your friends and there are at least 2 blokes here on myswag who have a pretty good working knowledge of how to set them up who I am sure would be willing to give advise.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/APM2-6-NEO-6M-GPS-Compass-Power-Module-Minim-OSD-915Mhz-915-Telemetry/32223424473.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/APM2-6-NEO-6M-GPS-Compass-Power-Module-Minim-OSD-915Mhz-915-Telemetry/32223424473.html)

Alternatively, see if there are GPS modules that can be reflashed to work with the Naza Lite. But I don't think there is. The Naza GPS is about the only piece of hardware that you can't reflash with new firmware in the Assistant software.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 17, 2014, 01:36:21 PM
Well - After all my good work getting the OSD up and running - When fitting to upper deck I must have reversed the GPS plug - GPS gone to Quadcopter parts heaven !!! This stuff is so touchy about +ve and -ve - Sheesh --- So a new GPS module $130 odd OR a complete Naza M Lite kit - $169 odd - Hmmmm - Looks like I'm making inroads into my next quad ???

Mandrake Nooooo.  That's an expensive bit to fry.  Having you tried opening it to see what has gone boom?

I think Marschy's got some good advice, I'd also recommend you switch to APM, GPS's are only $30-40 if you break one :-)  You can do 3 to 4 of them for the price of one Naza GPS.....

You know I fried a bit the other night (MinimOSD), you just did the Naza GPS.  Marschy I've got bad news, it's your turn  ;D

Chris

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 17, 2014, 01:37:59 PM
Mandrake Nooooo.  That's an expensive bit to fry.  Having you tried opening it to see what has gone boom?

I think Marschy's got some good advice, I'd also recommend you switch to APM, GPS's are only $30-40 if you break one :-)  You can do 3 to 4 of them for the price of one Naza GPS.....

You know I fried a bit the other night (MinimOSD), you just did the Naza GPS.  Marschy I've got bad news, it's your turn  ;D

Chris
Nah, I fried an ESC the other day and a motor remember? Where's Crispy?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 17, 2014, 01:41:45 PM
Nah, I fried an ESC the other day and a motor remember? Where's Crispy?

Thats right I forgot about that, your done already, yep it's Crispy's turn :-)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 17, 2014, 02:09:08 PM
Gunna keep going - invested too much now --
Was playing out in the shed sticking little boxes into the lower deck and suddenly REALISED I hadn't any space left for the bloody battery -- I can't use the bandy legs as the tubes cover up the
holes for the battery tray !! - So gotta pull it apart AGAIN and refit the original legs .... Grrrrr
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 17, 2014, 02:15:52 PM
Gunna keep going - invested too much now --
Was playing out in the shed sticking little boxes into the lower deck and suddenly REALISED I hadn't any space left for the bloody battery -- I can't use the bandy legs as the tubes cover up the
holes for the battery tray !! - So gotta pull it apart AGAIN and refit the original legs .... Grrrrr

You must be getting close to having to buy some more zip ties by now  ;D

Didn't your new crab legs come with a battery tray like this one? It just runs from left to right, instead of front to back. If not, Goodluckbuy sell an assortment of battery trays that hang off the landing gear rails.

(http://cdn.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/40671.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 17, 2014, 04:52:29 PM
Yep it did --- I forgot .... Duhhh ---
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 17, 2014, 05:33:17 PM
Gotta love this, I get home and there is a small package, it's a MinimOSD.....  I cant remember ordering it but according to aliexpress I ordered it about 3 weeks ago.....  Very handy timing, so now to convert it to 5v and be very careful.

With some luck I'll not only have this thing flying tomorrow night or Friday but it will be with OSD too!!!!

So now I have 2 MinimOSD's on the way and a MavLink OSD too.... I have 5 replacement analogue chips on the way too.  I have 2 dead boards and 2 good boards still, I think I'm good for OSD's for a while now.....

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on December 17, 2014, 06:18:33 PM
Nah, I fried an ESC the other day and a motor remember? Where's Crispy?
At home sitting on the couch smiling cause I have all my magic smoke still inside my gear. I am however planning to replace my KK FC with something a bit better. Maybe an APM  in the link. Then I might loose some smoke. But the AU has taken a tumble to 81c so it is getting more expensive.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 17, 2014, 06:35:09 PM
Busily tidying up cables and carefully made up a small wiring harness with 3 plugs and soldered in the DJI PMU -- Put it all together added some power -- Tana everything works except my
gimbal !! Forgot to add a plug for the gimbal .. Have to cut it into the harness tomorrow or Friday ... Time for Icecream and TV ...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: edz on December 17, 2014, 06:39:33 PM
These little critters seem to do an alright job . just have to get a phone to fly it though .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZdSMAG90Rs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZdSMAG90Rs)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 17, 2014, 09:34:48 PM
Time for Icecream and TV ...

Is 10pm too late for a bowl of icecream?

My X-mode Alien frame is still very much a work in progress.

This is the gimbal bracket I fabricated that fits between the top and bottom plates of the frame.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49559-1/Gimbal+Bracket_001.JPG)

It still requires some holes to be drilled to allow the sensor, pitch and roll cables to pass through the bracket because the bracket fits up tightly against the back of the arm mounting pillars.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49561-1/Gimbsl+Bracket+in-situ_001.JPG)

I've replaced the GLB controller that I attempted to flash with Alexmos firmware with a Tarot control board that sits on spacers just behind the bracket. The spacers will allow me to connect leads to the pitch control pin underneath the board so I can control the pitch with my radio.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49565-1/Tarot+Gimbal+Control+Board.JPG)

I'm also in the process of sorting out a power distribution board that is slung under the bottom plate of the frame. I made a plate out of PCB fiberglass that I have etched to remove the copper,  that should provides a bit of protection for the Crius PDB.

(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/49563-1/Power+Distribution+Board.JPG)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 18, 2014, 08:47:24 PM
Hey guys .... I was just looking for an FPV camera with a lens that doesn't bend so much 8mm or 12mm focal length -- Aliexpress has the 12mm in packs of 5 ... I only need 2 - and the 8mm in packs of 2 - If you wants one of thew 12mm ones lemme know - 
New Multistar motors arrive tomorrow and I can finish the build ( less the GPS and OSD . )
Thanks again Marschy - got the bandy legs back - with a dropdown battery tray ... So dum I are honestly ... LOL

I also found a pan and tilt unit for the 30mm x 30mm FPV camera complete with servos for $12 - bought one dunno if I can use it on the quad or not but will try with the 10 Ch TX ...LOL
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1set-Nylon-FPV-Pan-tilt-Camera-Mount-2pcs-Tower-Pro-SG90-9g-Servo-Retail-Promotion-Dropship/1623404058.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1set-Nylon-FPV-Pan-tilt-Camera-Mount-2pcs-Tower-Pro-SG90-9g-Servo-Retail-Promotion-Dropship/1623404058.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 18, 2014, 10:04:12 PM
Hey guys .... I was just looking for an FPV camera with a lens that doesn't bend so much 8mm or 12mm focal length -- Aliexpress has the 12mm in packs of 5 ... I only need 2 - and the 8mm in packs of 2 - If you wants one of thew 12mm ones lemme know - 
New Multistar motors arrive tomorrow and I can finish the build ( less the GPS and OSD . )
Thanks again Marschy - got the bandy legs back - with a dropdown battery tray ... So dum I are honestly ... LOL

I also found a pan and tilt unit for the 30mm x 30mm FPV camera complete with servos for $12 - bought one dunno if I can use it on the quad or not but will try with the 10 Ch TX ...LOL
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1set-Nylon-FPV-Pan-tilt-Camera-Mount-2pcs-Tower-Pro-SG90-9g-Servo-Retail-Promotion-Dropship/1623404058.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1set-Nylon-FPV-Pan-tilt-Camera-Mount-2pcs-Tower-Pro-SG90-9g-Servo-Retail-Promotion-Dropship/1623404058.html)

12mm might be too narrow a field of view. The three camera's I have have 3.6mm lenses and I think they are borderline too narrow. Gets to a point it is like looking through a tube. Wide angle at least gives you a bit of peripheral vision and the ability to see potential hazards.

The pan-tilt gimbal should be good, I was looking at these myself. Let us know what you think of it when you get it. You can get the gimbal minus servos dirt cheap on Aliexpress, so if you break it not a big issue to fix. I don't think the servos will be much good though. They look like plastic gear servos so if the gimbal takes a good knock, you'll probably strip the gears pretty quickly. Given these type gimbals stick up a fair bit, I think its a pretty safe bet that this will happen sooner or later.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 18, 2014, 10:54:10 PM
Hey guys .... I was just looking for an FPV camera with a lens that doesn't bend so much 8mm or 12mm focal length -- Aliexpress has the 12mm in packs of 5 ... I only need 2 - and the 8mm in packs of 2 - If you wants one of thew 12mm ones lemme know - 
New Multistar motors arrive tomorrow and I can finish the build ( less the GPS and OSD . )
Thanks again Marschy - got the bandy legs back - with a dropdown battery tray ... So dum I are honestly ... LOL

I also found a pan and tilt unit for the 30mm x 30mm FPV camera complete with servos for $12 - bought one dunno if I can use it on the quad or not but will try with the 10 Ch TX ...LOL
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1set-Nylon-FPV-Pan-tilt-Camera-Mount-2pcs-Tower-Pro-SG90-9g-Servo-Retail-Promotion-Dropship/1623404058.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1set-Nylon-FPV-Pan-tilt-Camera-Mount-2pcs-Tower-Pro-SG90-9g-Servo-Retail-Promotion-Dropship/1623404058.html)


Hi Steve,

I'm thinking that at 12mm that would be around 30 degrees, which will be very narrow.  I've got 2.1mm (150 deg), 2.4mm and 2.5mm (130 deg) and 2.xmm...

Thanks for the offer, is it possible when you get them can you put up an image and I'll go from there.

I've got some of these, they arent too bad for a cheapy, one is mounted on my Bixler 2.  The other is a spare...  Easy enough to replace the servo's if they get damaged.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 18, 2014, 11:11:09 PM
Progress on the 250 Mini Quad, I think I'm good for a test flight either tomorrow after work or on Saturday.

I have mounted all the gear, I'll tidy some of it up a bit later after I receive the MiniAPM.  I will swap out the large GPS for the one on the miniAPM (unless it's larger than this one).  I plan to move the FPV transmitter inside the cage once I get the miniAPM so that I can mount a mobius that I'll order in the next week or so.  The antenna will be moved towards the back, unfortunately it will move it closer to the GPS receiver which is not good.  I fixed the issue with the power module, seems I must have reset the APM and it was on no PM setting.

I've gone through all the setup items, learnt that lesson after the Tricopter....

GPS receiver is only so so, it took ages to get more than 3 sats and quickly dropped back to the 3 when inside (the Tricopters GPS maintains 4 or 5 in the same spot).

There are some oddities that I need to work through....  Firstly I'm not sure the compass calibration has worked (I'm using the internal compass - Bixler APM is a 2.5 version), it returned from the setup much quicker than it did for the Tricopter.  Seems to get the right compass values through (the learn feature is on, so it should adjust over time anyway).  It seems to arm regardless of what setting is in the APM, I enabled all checks and it still armed even though it the GPS was not locked on at all.

Pleased to say the MinimOSD is 5V converted, I built a small harness to flow 12v to the camera.  I'll be doing this on all my MinimOSD's from now on.

So here are some pics:

Front view - camera has been hot glued in place.  Will bolt in place at some stage in the future.....
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/18/d194158f2ef4aabbf7f6751185691b91.jpg)


Side view - can see all the goodies tucked away.  Will cover all the wires with mesh at some stage.....
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/18/a2bad6bf282f54637e6823a6a727c50e.jpg)

The motor wires are all cable tied back nicely, the main wiring harness is in view too.
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/18/cceccffec927fbfd2f5acb6272ca9324.jpg)

Travel position, GPS and Telemetry antenna folded down, I will remove the 5.8 GHz CP antenna when transporting where it could be damaged.
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/18/c29eba05dbdce038eec9c5583d357645.jpg)

OSD view, I need to flash it with MinimOSD-Extra and tell it that it's NTSC and not PAL (it is my first camera I bought - didn't realise it was NTSC till it arrived - handy to finally use it)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/18/b8b3265d51daea08bca724f24494dbef.jpg)

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 18, 2014, 11:58:25 PM
Looking good Chris,

I did little bits and pieces tonight. I swapped the stock antennas on the R615X receiver for longer ones that will allow the antennas to be well away from the carbon frame.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 19, 2014, 07:40:54 AM
Thanks Marshy, i think its turned out pretty good.

Forgot to say the auw ended up at 500g (inc 2200mah 3s battery), so even better than planned by about 50-100g. I will see what flight times i get off it and try the 1300mah battery to see if the lighter battery helps. Hoping the 2200mah will be good as i have a bunch (5 or 6) of them already.

With 1.6kg of thrust im thinking this thing will zip along.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 19, 2014, 07:47:24 AM
That's a really good weight. People struggle to get near 500 grams with carbon fiber frames, let alone plastic and fiberglass.

I haven't got my flight batteries yet. I'm thinking nanotech 3S at the very least, but haven't decided on size or rating yet. It will be dependent upon weight before I add the battery into the mix. I'll also be looking at the Mobius camera in the new year, but I haven't done a thing to the mini quad short of solder one motor to an ESC, so no hurry yet.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 19, 2014, 07:53:48 AM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/18/c29eba05dbdce038eec9c5583d357645.jpg)

That is one awesome looking quad. I can't wait for this day to end, then I'm on 2 weeks leave and I can get stuck into mine.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 19, 2014, 10:37:20 AM
That's a really good weight. People struggle to get near 500 grams with carbon fiber frames, let alone plastic and fiberglass.

I haven't got my flight batteries yet. I'm thinking nanotech 3S at the very least, but haven't decided on size or rating yet. It will be dependent upon weight before I add the battery into the mix. I'll also be looking at the Mobius camera in the new year, but I haven't done a thing to the mini quad short of solder one motor to an ESC, so no hurry yet.

I was surprised too, i was expecting it to weigh more than what I estimated.   I was using my luggage scales, might test it out on the kitchen scales when I get home to be sure.  It should be pretty close even if it's out by 50-100g that puts it back in my target zone.

I think the motors (25g/motor) and ESC's are bloody light which helps a lot in this instance.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 19, 2014, 10:51:19 AM
My Emax 1806's are 18gm's, but I gained a couple going from the Emax ESC's to the Blue Series. Not enough to worry about though.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 19, 2014, 11:10:29 AM
That is one awesome looking quad. I can't wait for this day to end, then I'm on 2 weeks leave and I can get stuck into mine.

I know it was a struggle to get it done after work, I'm so looking forward to having some time off.  I was in two minds to wait till I had time off to start the build or do it after work, this way I get to spend my time flying.  To be honest I find both parts equally as fun - the build and the flying..  I think I'll be getting some serious flying time it.  I revised my order of 2 bladed props, I've now either have or have on the way around 40 of the things.  I even picked up a packet of 3 bladed ones to see what they are like.

I feel odd walking into bunnings and not buying cable ties in small packets anymore, I now only buy the 500 packs.....

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 19, 2014, 11:26:03 AM
I bought the 2 blade Gemfam 5030 props, orange and black.

I reckon I've ripped through 50+ cable ties in the past 2 weeks. The packet of 100 I bought from Hobbyking should hopefully see me through the remainder of the Alien560 build and the X-mode Alien rebuild, but only because the X-mode Alien will use different colour zip ties that I already bought from Bunnings. I'll need some more for building the mini quad.

The pan-tilt gimbal from Hobbyking should be here on Monday so I'll start on the tilt gimbal that I'm going to make for the mini quad next week.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 19, 2014, 12:28:42 PM
Got the new GPS today so I am now complete except for motors and OSD ...
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/18/3c9df38c3b3424147ed72b8aef2214c0.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 19, 2014, 12:34:50 PM
Did your camera come with a silver front plate?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 19, 2014, 12:39:51 PM
Yep .. it pulls off to get at the battery...
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 19, 2014, 12:41:04 PM
Is that the one that you posted about that I have the same one? Looks better in silver I must say.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 19, 2014, 12:42:13 PM
Yep same one .. the waterproof case is yellow at the front .
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 19, 2014, 01:25:21 PM
Just found out ( I think ) why my motor didnt want to work properly ... The supplied screws are too long and if you tighten them up through the alien carbon fibre motor mounts the bottom of the screw bites into the copper winding and effectively shorts it out I'm guessing ..
Check out the top screw hole in the pic ....
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/18/46db9dd542ecdd8e78226c341f3a4c4c.jpg)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 19, 2014, 01:30:36 PM
That'd do it.

Everything you touch with these quads needs measuring. It's starting to become a habit with me now.

Especially voltages. Using up to 3 different voltages on a 4S setup keeps you on your toes. 14.8 for the ESC's, 12 volts for gimbals cameras and transmitters, 5-6 volts for servos, 5 volts for the flight controller. It's not hard to see why so many people, including myself, fry stuff.

Thats why I use balance connectors for connecting hardware, so the 12 volt stuff can only plug into an 11.1 balance connector and not the same power supply as the ESC's. Same with servo's. I use a 7.4 volt balance connector just to make sure I don't plug any servo into an 11.1 balance socket and fry my gimbal servo.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 19, 2014, 02:21:15 PM
Thats why I use balance connectors for connecting hardware, so the 12 volt stuff can only plug into an 11.1 balance connector and not the same power supply as the ESC's. Same with servo's. I use a 7.4 volt balance connector just to make sure I don't plug any servo into an 11.1 balance socket and fry my gimbal servo.

Now that is a brilliant idea, I think I'll be ordering a while heap of them tonight!!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 19, 2014, 02:22:07 PM
Just found out ( I think ) why my motor didnt want to work properly ... The supplied screws are too long and if you tighten them up through the alien carbon fibre motor mounts the bottom of the screw bites into the copper winding and effectively shorts it out I'm guessing ..
Check out the top screw hole in the pic ....
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/18/46db9dd542ecdd8e78226c341f3a4c4c.jpg)


Thats the first thing I checked on my new motors, so many are provided with the incorrect sized bolts.....  Should be obvious since so many are bolted on to CF frames these days.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 19, 2014, 02:29:20 PM
Now that is a brilliant idea, I think I'll be ordering a while heap of them tonight!!

I did this on my Reptile, and now I've done the same on my Alien560.

The filtered power supply on the left for gimbals etc has 3S balance connectors, the power distribution board on the right has 4S connectors for the Naza PMU and the connection to the 12 volt BEC.

(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/5/1/4/5/3/2/a7338889-32-PDM%20Exploded%20view.JPG)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 19, 2014, 03:05:29 PM
I did this on my Reptile, and now I've done the same on my Alien560.

The filtered power supply on the left for gimbals etc has 3S balance connectors, the power distribution board on the right has 4S connectors for the Naza PMU and the connection to the 12 volt BEC.

(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/5/1/4/5/3/2/a7338889-32-PDM%20Exploded%20view.JPG)


You know I saw that and was wondering which connectors you were using.....

For most things it will be excellent, do you know the max current for them?

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 19, 2014, 03:59:33 PM
You know I saw that and was wondering which connectors you were using.....

For most things it will be excellent, do you know the max current for them?

Chris
No idea, but I should check shouldn't I!! I'll see if I can find the invoice and site I purchased them from to find out the current limit.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 19, 2014, 07:09:52 PM
Hmmm, I've got mixed feeling on this, I just got a happy surprise that my MiniAPM and power module arrived today.......

Now do I pull everything apart again to do it right before it's taken off or do I to a few small test flights tomorrow and then swap it all over.... Choices, choices......

I got home too late tonight to go for a fly.... Grrr

Damn the miniAPM is tiny, even small than I thought it was going to be.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 19, 2014, 07:20:20 PM
No idea, but I should check shouldn't I!! I'll see if I can find the invoice and site I purchased them from to find out the current limit.

Looks good, it seems they can handle 3A.  Where did you get them from?
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 19, 2014, 07:25:55 PM
Hmmm, I've got mixed feeling on this, I just got a happy surprise that my MiniAPM and power module arrived today.......

Now do I pull everything apart again to do it right before it's taken off or do I to a few small test flights tomorrow and then swap it all over.... Choices, choices......

I got home too late tonight to go for a fly.... Grrr

Damn the miniAPM is tiny, even small than I thought it was going to be.

I think I'll take my time with the miniAPM......  Looks like it will take some time to work it all out.  It would be nice to have it all done before I go up to my parents place but I want it done right.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 19, 2014, 08:51:25 PM
Looks good, it seems they can handle 3A.  Where did you get them from?

I found the JST connectors on ebay, but you can probably find cheaper examples. These ones at least come from the same seller.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10x-3S-4-Pin-JST-XH-2-54mm-LiPo-Balance-Connectors-w-Pins-/271687509859?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f41d66763 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10x-3S-4-Pin-JST-XH-2-54mm-LiPo-Balance-Connectors-w-Pins-/271687509859?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f41d66763)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10x-4S-5-Pin-JST-XH-2-54mm-LiPo-Balance-Connectors-w-Pins-/111540450937?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19f8543679 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10x-4S-5-Pin-JST-XH-2-54mm-LiPo-Balance-Connectors-w-Pins-/111540450937?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19f8543679)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10x-2S-3-Pin-JST-XH-2-54mm-LiPo-Balance-Connectors-w-Pins-/111540450940?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19f854367c (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10x-2S-3-Pin-JST-XH-2-54mm-LiPo-Balance-Connectors-w-Pins-/111540450940?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19f854367c)

Did your miniAPM come with silicon cables?

Found a better supplier for the connectors for you.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/XH-2-54mm-Connector-Series/1114121_253150454.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/XH-2-54mm-Connector-Series/1114121_253150454.html)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 19, 2014, 09:01:06 PM
Got mine pre-wired from here - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/230865244108?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/230865244108?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
This guy has 3 pin , 4 pin , JST and Micro mini jst ...
Steve
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 19, 2014, 09:03:17 PM
And these too - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10pcs-JST-XH-7S-30CM-LIPO-Balance-Plug-Extension-Lead-Charger-Cable-Wire-for-RC-/400566571561?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Radio_Controlled_Vehicles&hash=item5d43a0d229 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10pcs-JST-XH-7S-30CM-LIPO-Balance-Plug-Extension-Lead-Charger-Cable-Wire-for-RC-/400566571561?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Radio_Controlled_Vehicles&hash=item5d43a0d229)

Sorry - these -- http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10pcs-JST-XH-3S-Lipo-Balance-Wire-Extension-Lead-30cm-for-R-C-Boats-Airplanes-/400553393998?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Radio_Controlled_Vehicles&hash=item5d42d7bf4e (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10pcs-JST-XH-3S-Lipo-Balance-Wire-Extension-Lead-30cm-for-R-C-Boats-Airplanes-/400553393998?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Radio_Controlled_Vehicles&hash=item5d42d7bf4e)
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 19, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
Thanks guys, I've just put in an order a bit from both of the piles (JST-XH 2.54 pitch).  I have plenty of the small 0.1 pitch stuff, wish I'd seen your latest post earlier Steve, I ordered some of the ones that Mark had mentioned and then saw your which are prewired.....
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Mandrake on December 19, 2014, 10:35:50 PM
Haste makes waste.. my old man used to say that all the time...He never got anything done.LOL
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 19, 2014, 11:47:11 PM
Did your miniAPM come with silicon cables?

Yes I was most impressed by that.  My power module on the other hand isn't.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on December 20, 2014, 01:41:10 AM
My V3 tricopter is finally alive!

After waiting for the frame for 2 months I flew back in from work yesterday to find it waiting on the doorstep for me!

I assembled most of it last night and then had to spend an hour or 2 this afternoon setting up the KK board and transmitter - a few little errors hear and there.

I didn't have the patience to wait until tomorrow morning to fly it in an open space so I maidened it on my front lawn. I didn't prang it either which I'm pretty chuffed about seeing as my lawn is about 7x12m with verandahs and limestone retaining walls all around! Did a little bit of pruning in the garden but it was a little bit gusty so I think that can be overlooked! I put 2 batteries through it but I could have gotten a bit longer out of them - only used around 1800 ah from the 3000 ah 4S batteries.

Only issue I am having is I can't get the self leveling to work on a switch - I've had to assign it to a stick for now which is not ideal as it is either on or off for the whole flight when I'd rather be able to switch it on during flight if I need to. I had it all working when I bench tested everything before I got the frame but now everything's assembled it won't work. I can see the switches working on the TX but even when I plug a servo into the receiver I get nothing which is leading me to think that The Orange R615x receiver is dodgy.

Anyone got any ideas?

I'll post up  a photo when I get a chance, although it's nothing special to look at and is a bit of a mess as far as wiring goes.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 20, 2014, 03:42:18 AM
Thanks guys, I've just put in an order a bit from both of the piles (JST-XH 2.54 pitch).  I have plenty of the small 0.1 pitch stuff, wish I'd seen your latest post earlier Steve, I ordered some of the ones that Mark had mentioned and then saw your which are prewired.....
Same crimper I've posted info about before that does servo leads from Jaycar will do the JST-XH terminals as well. Great investment.

It's a habit of mine from when I used to fly fixed wing to always solder the crimped joint as well. To be sure, to be sure.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 20, 2014, 03:48:33 AM
My V3 tricopter is finally alive!

After waiting for the frame for 2 months I flew back in from work yesterday to find it waiting on the doorstep for me!

I assembled most of it last night and then had to spend an hour or 2 this afternoon setting up the KK board and transmitter - a few little errors hear and there.

I didn't have the patience to wait until tomorrow morning to fly it in an open space so I maidened it on my front lawn. I didn't prang it either which I'm pretty chuffed about seeing as my lawn is about 7x12m with verandahs and limestone retaining walls all around! Did a little bit of pruning in the garden but it was a little bit gusty so I think that can be overlooked! I put 2 batteries through it but I could have gotten a bit longer out of them - only used around 1800 ah from the 3000 ah 4S batteries.

Only issue I am having is I can't get the self leveling to work on a switch - I've had to assign it to a stick for now which is not ideal as it is either on or off for the whole flight when I'd rather be able to switch it on during flight if I need to. I had it all working when I bench tested everything before I got the frame but now everything's assembled it won't work. I can see the switches working on the TX but even when I plug a servo into the receiver I get nothing which is leading me to think that The Orange R615x receiver is dodgy.

Anyone got any ideas?

I'll post up  a photo when I get a chance, although it's nothing special to look at and is a bit of a mess as far as wiring goes.
Howdy Spartan,

Crikey you are a patient man. That took a bloody long time.

Remind us what your transmitter is. It sounds as though it may not be configured correctly. Protocol may be wrong. I haven't used my R615X yet, but I will have an opportunity to do so over the next two weeks, so maybe we can help each other out if we get stuck.

Be careful with your KK and check and double check your wiring. It's a very easy board to get magic smoke out of.

Cheers, Mark
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 20, 2014, 08:33:52 AM
Howdy Spartan,

Crikey you are a patient man. That took a bloody long time.

Remind us what your transmitter is. It sounds as though it may not be configured correctly. Protocol may be wrong. I haven't used my R615X yet, but I will have an opportunity to do so over the next two weeks, so maybe we can help each other out if we get stuck.

Be careful with your KK and check and double check your wiring. It's a very easy board to get magic smoke out of.

Cheers, Mark
Hi Spartan,

I'm using the R615x they are a pretty solid receiver. Are you using it in pwm mode or ppm mode?

Just checking, when you go into kk2 board settings in the receiver test can you see the aux ch change, it sounds like a no? On the Tx you mentioned you can see it change, which Tx are you using? Are you sure its outputting on ch 5 for the switch?

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Crisp Image on December 20, 2014, 08:53:07 AM
If i was to get a apm fc is the initial setup simple like using usb and a setup program or do i have to wrte some sort of code which i have no idea about.
After christmas I plan to get a new fc. Either apm or multiwii both with gps.
Regards
Crispy
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 20, 2014, 08:57:20 AM
If i was to get a apm fc is the initial setup simple like using usb and a setup program or do i have to wrte some sort of code which i have no idea about.
After christmas I plan to get a new fc. Either apm or multiwii both with gps.
Regards
Crispy
Get the APM,

No coding involved, but extremely versatile.

And yes it can be as simple as using the  USB, downloading the firmware, calibrating, auto tuning, flying. No different to Naza in a lot of ways.
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Spartan on December 20, 2014, 11:30:49 AM
I flew another 2 batteries this morning on a footy oval and still no crashes - a couple of rough landings but only flipped it over once so not too bad.

I'm using a 9xr reflashed with opentx. Pretty sure I'm using PWM - CPPM is when you only use 1 cable from the receiver to the fc correct?

When I do a receiver test on the board everything works correctly except the aux channel. I've tried every switch on the Tx and also plugged a servo into both the gear and aux1 slots on the receiver with no results.

I think I might have bench tested everything before I reflashed the Tx to opentx so it certainly could be a problem with the Tx setup but I can't figure out what. I would have thought that one of the switches would have outputted to channel 5?

I'm as sure as I can be that the receiver and KK are all hooked up correctly - everything else works and the magic smoke is still where it should be!

I wouldn't say I was patient but I didn't have much of a choice - plus they call WA "Wait Awhile" for a reason!
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 20, 2014, 11:48:04 AM
I flew another 2 batteries this morning on a footy oval and still no crashes - a couple of rough landings but only flipped it over once so not too bad.

I'm using a 9xr reflashed with opentx. Pretty sure I'm using PWM - CPPM is when you only use 1 cable from the receiver to the fc correct?

When I do a receiver test on the board everything works correctly except the aux channel. I've tried every switch on the Tx and also plugged a servo into both the gear and aux1 slots on the receiver with no results.

I think I might have bench tested everything before I reflashed the Tx to opentx so it certainly could be a problem with the Tx setup but I can't figure out what. I would have thought that one of the switches would have outputted to channel 5?

I'm as sure as I can be that the receiver and KK are all hooked up correctly - everything else works and the magic smoke is still where it should be!

I wouldn't say I was patient but I didn't have much of a choice - plus they call WA "Wait Awhile" for a reason!

That will explain it, if you flashed it after testing you'll need to go into the menu's and find where it is outputting stuff.  I havent played with opentx, I've looked at it but can say I know the menu's enough.  On the Stock 9XR it is in the mixer menu where you will say which switch outputs to CH5.

Yes PPM is where you use 1 wire.  If you have the R615X, your Tx supports it and I'm guessing so does the transmitter module, I'd go for it.  Less wires floating around.

Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: Marschy on December 20, 2014, 11:50:34 AM
Hello Spartan,

Try this.

In the mixer screen for channel 5, assign AIL to the SOURCE. This is the switch to the immediate right of your 3POS switch. To the 'Switch' value assign '!AIL'.

You can do this with any of the 2 way switches as follows

RUDD D/R
ELE D/R
GEAR
AIL D/R

See how you get on with that.

Cheers, Marschy

Edit: here's what your mixer screen should look like
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 20, 2014, 11:55:16 AM
Well I got the maiden flight of the MiniQuad done today, I decided to use the front yard again.  I know bad idea from previous times, but this time it was all good.

Realised I had two of the motors spinning in the wrong direction (left side refused to go up, right side was lifting with ease).  Swapped over the motor inputs (thank god I used bullet connectors).

Total flight time was just on 10 mins used around 2000mah for that - was mainly hover and a bit of moving about in a 6mx10m area.

It was impacted by ground effect something savage, I almost terminated it as it was wobbling so much but I went up another 10cm and it disappeared, so at 20cm no impact, very stable.  Very fast on the controls, I used my tricopter Tx settings by default, will need to remove the limits on yaw as it was very docile.

Very happy with it, even worked in loiter mode.  I had to increase my HDOP check to 250 (so HDOP of 2.5) for me to arm, but once armed it never went above 2.....  In fact it stayed at 1.6 for most of the time.

Now to review the logs, update the Minim to use NTSC (getting annoying not seeing all the info) and post the video from the camera.

Will go for a 2nd flight this afternoon.

Chris
Title: Re: Remote controlled flying things-Quads, Hex, Octo or anything
Post by: CBRK on December 20, 2014, 12:19:49 PM
Hello Spartan,

Try this.

In the mixer screen for channel 5, assign AIL to the SOURCE. This is the switch to the immediate right of your 3POS switch. To the 'Switch' v