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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: glenm64 on October 28, 2018, 02:08:22 PM
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The other week I got a call from my mums monitored alarm company saying it was going off.
The long and short of it was, they got in to her house but as soon as they did, the scream siren was too much and they legged it empty handed.
Id been thinking about putting in a camera system at home, but now this has got me thinking that a scream siren system that sent a sms to me would be better, as cameras are really just for identifying the assholes, not preventing the house being ransacked, which is what they tend to do now.
Im thinking a hard wired system with motion detectors, and maybe 2 internal and one external screamers. Not really wanting window and door reed switches. Can they be set at night to not monitor our main bedroom, as I work shift and it would be good for Elaine.
Ive got 2 dogs, so are there pet friendly sensors that you can use. Not wanting to spend a fortune too, so diy, with a sparkie mate to do anything licensed.
School me on the options Swaggers.
Cheers Glen
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Hi Glen,
You can get a quality system for approx $1.5K-$2K installed..
P1Rs - motion sensors.
Pieso screamers (internal in house), and external with strobe.
Having one or 2 internally is a grest idea because it makes it very unpleasant for the crims to hang around...
Zoned sectors- with daytime monitoring "chime alarms"...
Hard wired smo6le detectors
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Just been through this myself.. having a mate in the industry helps
Kit cost me $800 + fitting for recording unit with 3TB drive in it, wiring kit, 4x good quality cameras (not Swann which he calls Black and Gold quality) then got sparky to wire them up to the recording unit at home..
I can also access it and all cameras from my mobile phone from anywhere that has signal.. very useful for making sure things are happening that they say are happening around home.
When Pete was showing me his setup, he showed me a recorded incident from a few weeks before, some scrote walking up the street going through cars, then went through his neighbours ute after lifting the tarp, then to Petes place when scrote spotted the cameras, instantly hid his face and farkt off in a hurry. Cops have also used his footage for other incidents in the park across from his house.
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Just been through this myself.. having a mate in the industry helps
Kit cost me $800 + fitting for recording unit with 3TB drive in it, wiring kit, 4x good quality cameras (not Swann which he calls Black and Gold quality) then got sparky to wire them up to the recording unit at home..
I can also access it and all cameras from my mobile phone from anywhere that has signal.. very useful for making sure things are happening that they say are happening around home.
When Pete was showing me his setup, he showed me a recorded incident from a few weeks before, some scrote walking up the street going through cars, then went through his neighbours ute after lifting the tarp, then to Petes place when scrote spotted the cameras, instantly hid his face and farkt off in a hurry. Cops have also used his footage for other incidents in the park across from his house.
Any chance of listing the make and model and any other info. Sounds like it would suit me.
Cheers
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I wasnt really after cameras though, cause some scrotes now just cover their faces up, and its really just helping identifying them after the damage is done. Hence why I was thinking screamers that are just too loud for them to be able to stay in the house.
Cheers Glen
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Hi Glen,
Hard wired smo6le detectors
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Our system also has that feature, only problem we did not know that when we first moved in.
Burnt the "chops" one night while cooking dinner, next thing smoke alarm going ballistic, tried poking the broom at the ceiling detector to shut up with no success, it was only when I headed outside to get ladder that I seen the blue flashing strobe going that twigged me that the smoke alarm was wire thru the alarm. Put alarm code in and soon shut the noise up.
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Set the parents alarm off recently, the internal screamers were crazy loud, I think your right that they would be a greater deterrent than camera's.
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get the combo smoke detectors what run photoelectric and ion...
With the hardwired ones wired into zone(s) in an alarm system - you should be able to reset them via the key pad..
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Just been through this myself.. having a mate in the industry helps
Kit cost me $800 + fitting for recording unit with 3TB drive in it, wiring kit, 4x good quality cameras (not Swann which he calls Black and Gold quality) then got sparky to wire them up to the recording unit at home..
I can also access it and all cameras from my mobile phone from anywhere that has signal.. very useful for making sure things are happening that they say are happening around home.
When Pete was showing me his setup, he showed me a recorded incident from a few weeks before, some scrote walking up the street going through cars, then went through his neighbours ute after lifting the tarp, then to Petes place when scrote spotted the cameras, instantly hid his face and farkt off in a hurry. Cops have also used his footage for other incidents in the park across from his house.
Also would like to know the camera.
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Have a look at the Ness gear, easy to get, reliable and easy to find techs who can work on it. We have a monitored Ness with remote on/off, screamers/sirens the lot. Had it installed for over 10 years, other than replacing the battery backup and keeping the sensors clean from insects etc. nothing else to do. It hasn't been set off in anger yet. You would be looking at $2K fully installed and $1/day for monitoring.
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I tried setting a few booby traps around stuff here.
Last week, I had a need to do some work near a window in the shed.
I had a 3 inch nail go through my right thong just missing the side of my foot.
Friggin close too, the nail rubbed up against the side of my foot as it came through the thong.
Starting to rethink the plan a bit now.
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I tried setting a few booby traps around stuff here.
are you hunting for bra's >:D
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are you hunting for bra's >:D
ha ha ha,.... ya dag.
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I had the unfortunate experience of being broken into last year. Having a chat to the uniformed people that attended, their recommendation was was an alarm with the biggest MoFo siren you could get inside and outside, to get the attention of everyone nearby. Don't bother with back to base as by the time anyone responds it's way too late, but text alert is handy so you know it has gone off.
In my case, PIR's weren't an option due to pets, so to fit an alarm I would have needed to fit reed switches to the doors and some windows, which was not an easy task, so I went the camera route with a 6 camera system back to a discretely located hard drive. Mount all of the cameras in visible locations where the grubs will see them, and put up signs to show surveillance cameras are in use. That will generally be enough to deter the opportunists. I'm using all Hikvision gear, and on the motion detect setting, I can get 5 weeks of video from the 6 camera's on the harddrive.
I also put a siren box with a strobe under the eves in a highly visible spot. There's no siren in it and the strobe is not connected to anything, but hopefully it's enough to make the grubs think twice ?
Can I suggest sending a PM to Patroldude, he's in the business and has helped a few Myswagger's out in the past (including me) He's based in Rockhampton, but will ship gear anywhere, and will give you the right advise and a variety of options.
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When we renovated our house around 10 years ago we had an alarm put in and used it for a couple of years, but then got sick of it going off for no apparent reason and upsetting the neighbours, so haven’t used it for 5+ years.
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Any chance of listing the make and model and any other info. Sounds like it would suit me.
Yea sorry been busy... I'll email Pete for some info.
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I had the unfortunate experience of being broken into last year. Having a chat to the uniformed people that attended, their recommendation was was an alarm with the biggest MoFo siren you could get inside and outside, to get the attention of everyone nearby. Don't bother with back to base as by the time anyone responds it's way too late, but text alert is handy so you know it has gone off.
Can I suggest sending a PM to Patroldude, he's in the business and has helped a few Myswagger's out in the past (including me) He's based in Rockhampton, but will ship gear anywhere, and will give you the right advise and a variety of options.
Thanks Spada, thats along the lines of my thoughts too. I might be able to isolate dogs to the laundry only, and allow me to monitor rest of house.
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Thanks Spada, thats along the lines of my thoughts too. I might be able to isolate dogs to the laundry only, and allow me to monitor rest of house.
The Ness sensors I suggested above have a 'pet aware' mode.
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When we renovated our house around 10 years ago we had an alarm put in and used it for a couple of years, but then got sick of it going off for no apparent reason and upsetting the neighbours, so haven’t used it for 5+ years.
Guessing the quality and/or location of the PIR's might be the reason for the false triggering.
We have 1 x Ness system (nearly 20 years old), and 3 x Bosch systems (1 nearly 20 years old), and none give false alarms. Very similar units in appearance and operation.
Years ago we did have an issue with the pet-friendly PIR in the garage playing up, but that was swapped out for a different pet-friendly unit and no issues since.
The unit in our own home is back-to-base capable, but it's programmed to call me for the reasons Spada stated.
I installed the last 2 Bosch systems myself. A very simple job, made much easier by the plain English programming instructions supplied by the seller. The manufacturers programming instructions aren't easy to decipher....
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I've installed a heck of a lot of systems over the years, but you can't beat HikVision for cameras and Ness for alarms
The Hikvision cameras are awesome. Trouble free and excellent backup service.
Never had a problem with any system.
(disclaimer - Have had a few issues where customers internet drops out and you lose remote access, but this is not the cameras fault!!! - Lets not mention the NBN)
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the thing I don't like about reeds is that if someone wants to do a number on ya, reeds can be easily defeated with a magnet... (probably more applicable in regards to employee crime, not domestic B&Es though?
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I've installed a heck of a lot of systems over the years, but you can't beat HikVision for cameras and Ness for alarms
What he said :)
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My 2 cents worth.
After 33 years of assessing security for domestic, commercial, government, high court judges, MPs etc I have a pretty good handle on what works well.
Firstly get your physical security up to scratch. Solid core doors. Quality locks and security screen doors (Make sure they meet AS 5039-2008) eliminate the ability for the opportunistic offender to get to the doors and windows that the want to get at. The Victorian stats I used to preach were that in 92% of burgs the point of entry was a door or window. 80% of these were doors or windows that couldn't be seen from the street or neighbouring property. Stop them getting to these doors and windows and your house will look a lot less attractive to the thief when he is doing his risk analysis. Gates and fences play a critical role here. Ask a 12 year old to get into your back yard or down the side. You'd be amazed at how easy it is to scale a fence using a zulu bin or gas meter as a help up.
Physical security buys you time and has a large deterrent value. Alarm systems whilst having some deterrent value usually only tell you when someone has broken in which I am sure you would prefer not to happen in the first place
For the home with little or no previous history of victimization and no current threat a simple, self monitored quality alarm system that complies with AS/NZS 2201.1:2007 is more than adequate. Couple this to a quality internal IP camera or two placed in main living area or thoroughfare and you are set.
This Australian standard also covers installation which is critical to reliability and performance.
What this gives you is the ability for you to self monitor with no on-going expense and to relay live information to emergency services whilst watching it on your smartphone..
Hello 000 I wish to report a hot burg. I am currently watching two heads rifling through my cupboards. The response you will get that call will amaze you in the metropolitain area. Every detective, traffic, GD etc member loves a confirmed hot job.....
Go for the recorded CCTV if you can afford it but be aware that 95% of footage supplied to police is of nil value. Hoods and hats or the tops of heads.
AS/NZS 2201.1:2007
Intruder alarm systems Client's premises - Design, installation,AS/NZS 2201.1:2007 commissioning and maintenance
Standards Australia
Sorry if my response is a little long winded.....
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I've installed a heck of a lot of systems over the years, but you can't beat HikVision for cameras and Ness for alarms
The Hikvision cameras are awesome. Trouble free and excellent backup service.
they are the cameras I have mated to recording system with 3TB drive.
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Sorry if my response is a little long winded.....
Not at all Feisty, because that's exactly what those of us who are interested, want / need to hear :cup:
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Agree with Fiesty, also being in the industry 35 years. Only things i would add is use wired alarm system not wireless. In years to come you may find parts obsolete. Being wired you can connect any type of sensor.
Those with pets, wanting "Pet Ammune Detectors" i don't find there are any 100% reliable.
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Interesting, few weeks ago cops turned up asking if my 4wd was broken into... no, we aren't #4 and pointed to the right house...
Tonight cops turn up on door again - the bloke over road has had his number plates knocked off, he saw my cameras and could I look and see what i could see.
Very interesting how there is traffic in our dead end street at 2.17:20 one night small sedan, looks like a Golf - and 3.38:00 the next night - a late model white GU with some serious lights onboard...
So started going through footage, and saw that this blokes # plates weren't stolen last night but the night before, between 4.30 and 5.30 when 2 cars when his neighbours left for work, I their headlights shone on his ute.
I then remembered my car alarm went off I think it was the same morning around the similar times... but I ran out and saw nothing.
So went over to discuss what I found with the dude across road, and I said not last night but the night before - his wife pipes up - that's when his other neighbours got their car gone through (they leave the cars open so nobody breaks windows - theres some logic there, just not sure what), ... Then they were saying xmas eve the bloke next door to the original 4wd that was broken into was done and the bloke down bottom of hill on corner got done too. WTF?
So I then called my sparky mate to come fix our sensor lights - turns out a white GU and small red car went through their street Mon/Tuesday and he has video of 2 kids entering his street after the GU went in, and 40 mins later the kids running out... He said these scrotes went though cars - he is 1klm as crow flies on opposite side of main road.
Week before that he was outside having a cancer stick at 1am after finishing paperwork, heard footsteps in the gravel outside his garage... - thought it was odd, walked out and spotted 2 kids trying to get into his work van - in his Y fronts (visions of GeoffA chasing the dudes tryin to steal his GU story coming up here LMAO) - he chased them down the road, then realized what he was wearing chasing 2 kids, and also had no phone etc. He has good footage of these little ****s to give to cops, not that anything will ever happen to them.
I was surprised how many cars at all times of night are traveling our tiny st... and how many scrotes walking the street during the day.... Maybe a bit naive?
Cameras I feel are worth looking into this stuff people even if just for peace of mind. I think I can fit 4 more on my setup, and I'm going to see if i can fit more, but I think HD space on the recorder may suffer then... might need a 10TB drive
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Cameras I feel are worth looking into this stuff people even if just for peace of mind. I think I can fit 4 more on my setup, and I'm going to see if i can fit more, but I think HD space on the recorder may suffer then... might need a 10TB drive
I'm using all Hikvision (their IP cameras are a higher pixel rate) gear recording on loop to a 2tb drive (or maybe its a 3?). with 6 cameras I can fit 7 days worth before it overwrites. On motion sensitive it stores 5 weeks worth.
The NVR has 8 ports, so some time soon I'd like to ad another 2 cameras.
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I'm using all Hikvision (their IP cameras are a higher pixel rate) gear recording on loop to a 2tb drive (or maybe its a 3?). with 6 cameras I can fit 7 days worth before it overwrites. On motion sensitive it stores 5 weeks worth.
The NVR has 8 ports, so some time soon I'd like to ad another 2 cameras.
yea mines 3TB... 8 port with current 4 cameras.. going round mates in minute to grab 2 more cameras to get fitted... also getting more lights fitted outside.
Apparently they have been doing lots of streets in this area, and also down 20mins south towards Keiths place... same 2 cars keep getting mentioned- small red car (I think is Golf from my footage), and certainly a late model White GU patrol - probably DX as it appears to have black flairs on it.
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A house down the road got broken into through a window on Xmas eve... The thief was met inside the house by the families Rottweiler :D
Apparently the neighbours were woken up by screams :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: Not sure what happened to that one but cant wait to find out :D
Chloroform, and feed the scrote to the rotty seems fair to me !
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A house down the road got broken into through a window on Xmas eve... The thief was met inside the house by the families Rottweiler :D
Apparently the neighbours were woken up by screams :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: Not sure what happened to that one but cant wait to find out :D
Chloroform, and feed the scrote to the rotty seems fair to me !
He'll probably sue them for trauma, pain and suffering..... ::)
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Chloroform, and feed the scrote to the rotty seems fair to me !
Do that & I'm going to report you to the RSPCA :police:
No idea what effect chloroform might have on Pup! ;D >:D
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yea mines 3TB... 8 port with current 4 cameras.. going round mates in minute to grab 2 more cameras to get fitted... also getting more lights fitted outside.
Put up a decent Infared flood near your cameras, You can get them in 12v and run them with a garden transformer, but the 240v jobbies are far better. They'll help you get a much better image at night.
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Put up a decent Infared flood near your cameras, You can get them in 12v and run them with a garden transformer, but the 240v jobbies are far better. They'll help you get a much better image at night.
Sweet - nice info, I'll ask Pete about em.
The NVR can take 8TB... so off to MSY on Monday :)
Just backed up to USB for the cops 1am to 6.30am for 2 nights and was shocked at the size of the backup! 10g...
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@bird will have to talk to you about your setup when I see you Mr... Need to put cameras in at the new joint
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He'll probably sue them for trauma, pain and suffering..... ::)
Not to mention loss of income ;p
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