Post by: PWE on October 11, 2018, 09:05:30 AM
After some knowledge and advise
I am under the understanding that no open fires are allowed on Fraser Island next to the beach at the beach side camp area.
Ozpigs are ok, and I believe the 4wd supacentre version of an ozpig will be ok.
You also need to use heat beads or charcoal, no untreated timber and the fire pit must be off the ground.
So, I was supprise to see that Luke from Drifta used his snow peak pit with charcoal to cook while on the beach. (https://youtu.be/7rQTkj7Aqtc). Are these fire pits allowed? I do not want to buy one and then found out that I cannot use it while camping on Fraser.
Post by: Chappie on October 11, 2018, 10:04:14 AM
The stove/oven ect has to be a certain height from the ground (I can't recall the measurement) and be contained ie no ash can fall out and no sparks escaping so it needs a spark arrestor in the chimney.
I read about some of the regulations from this post by Brisbane Puff who is also on here.
The rangers inspected his version and passed it.
http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=138659 (http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=138659)
Cheers
Iain
Post by: BaseCamp on October 11, 2018, 10:05:14 AM
(You might find that his video was "more about the m o n e y"...
Of course if he emails you back with a "no worries" .... I'd then be emailing him with a "great" - but please confirm that you (Luke) will be picking up the tab in the unfortunate event I cop a ranger fine; and of course in that event - you would provide me a full refund on my purchase ....
re: bird's post below...
In the link there is this..
Manufactured fuel does not include timber or wood.
Appliances that are not fully self-contained, such as braziers, are not permitted.
All appliances, materials and fuels (e.g. heat beads) must be removed from the national park on departure.
My Q
Are "heat beads" charcoal?... no?
Is charcoal wood.... yes?
"me is confused"
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Post by: Bird on October 11, 2018, 10:38:28 AM
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Post by: Hoyks on October 11, 2018, 11:30:30 AM
My Q
Are "heat beads" charcoal?... no?
Is charcoal wood.... yes?
"me is confused"
They do contradict themselves a bit.
Are fires permitted?
No. Campfires are prohibited on K'gari.
This fire prohibition was implemented to:
prevent burn injuries
prevent escaped camp fires becoming wildfires
reduce rubbish, debris and environmental scars left by camp fire sites
reduce the risk of introduced pests and diseases being brought in with fire wood
prevent impacts of firewood gathering upon local ecology.
The only exception to this prohibition is in the communal fire rings provided by Queensland Parks and Wildlife Service at Dundubara main and Dundubara group camping areas, and Waddy Point camping areas (top and beachfront).
Campers wishing to use these fire rings must:
be aware that no firewood is provided at these sites
bring clean firewood—not bush wood—such as milled timber off-cuts, and firelighters for ignition, as collecting wood or kindling from the national park is an offence.
No fires permitted when QPWS-declared fire prohibitions or total fire bans are in place.
How can I cook without a fire?
Bring fuel or gas stoves for cooking.
A fully enclosed cooking or heating appliance, preferably using gas or fuel, can be used at all camping areas unless a total fire ban is in place.
The appliance must use only manufactured fuel.
It must be used for cooking and/or heating only.
It must be 20cm off the ground.
Manufactured fuel does not include timber or wood.
Appliances that are not fully self-contained, such as braziers, are not permitted.
All appliances, materials and fuels (e.g. heat beads) must be removed from the national park on departure.
looking at the purple bits..
Wood might not be wood if it has gone through a sawmill and become timber..... but you can't have it anyway because its still wood ???
Post by: Rumpig on October 11, 2018, 11:34:02 AM
The wording of the old law when you looked up the actual Act of the law the ban was under, read that you could have a prescribed heating device, which pretty much used all the rules set out in Birds link.
Post by: PWE on October 11, 2018, 12:35:15 PM
It is clear Luke fire pit does not comply. I remember awhile back 4wd Action made a DVD in the Glass House Mountion NP and they coped a fine since it is illegal to sell a DVD that was made in a NP without a permit. Rules are rules, and no-one is above them, just asked Johnny Depp!
Anyway, will not buy the drifta fire pit, will look at a ozpig and see how big they are when packed up.
Post by: Greeny on October 12, 2018, 06:12:18 AM
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Post by: edz on October 12, 2018, 10:04:03 AM
As for the Drifter bloke, the guy should call himself " Bags R us " ... The blokes got more bags than Woolies .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao_HxRrTBbk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao_HxRrTBbk)
Post by: gronk on October 12, 2018, 02:33:43 PM
Off topic, but last time we were there Dilli Village (the private campsite run by the uni) allowed open fires and provided firewood, that was the only time we broke out the camp ovens on the island.
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We took a ute load of fresh cut "bush" wood over to Dilli 6 yrs ago. Sounds like it hasn't changed, which is good if you go in winter time, as it was 4 deg of a night when we were there..
Post by: PWE on October 12, 2018, 09:22:33 PM
Just watched the vids, Dont know what sort of reaction he'd get from QPWS if they ever saw it .. But I'd expect Grey haired Ranger I am a Wannabe God would be itching to puff his chest out a bit more and have a rant if he saw it ..
It just need one spark to burn down halve of Fraser and we will all be banded from the Island.
Post by: GBC on October 13, 2018, 01:28:43 PM
It just need one spark to burn down halve of Fraser and we will all be banded from the Island.They do controlled burns every spring and there are maintained fire breaks. There is the odd big burn over there - the whole north end copped it a few years back. The parkies are doing better with that than they used to.
Post by: Banjo16 on October 13, 2018, 02:51:52 PM
Post by: Rumpig on October 13, 2018, 05:37:42 PM
Post by: Symon on October 13, 2018, 07:07:33 PM
However the 'no fires' rule has to be one of the least enforced, you always see a string of camp fires up the beach as soon as the sun goes down.
Post by: Rumpig on October 13, 2018, 07:26:10 PM
If you want to use the camp oven then just camp at Waddy or Dundubura. We always use the gas cookers when beach camping on Fraser.last time I was there as the sun was setting coming back from day trip to Sandy Cape, I passed a group with a fire going at thier beach camp, a further several hundred metres down the beach I passed a Rangers vehicle heading up the beach towards thier camp.....don't think I'd have wanted to be those campers.
However the 'no fires' rule has to be one of the least enforced, you always see a string of camp fires up the beach as soon as the sun goes down.
Post by: Stewart on October 14, 2018, 06:42:44 AM