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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: SEADOO on October 02, 2018, 04:35:59 PM
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Had a squiz at the new Ford Raptor today. They had a white one and a "Ford" blue one.
Not as big as what I thought they were. It's much wider. But, I still don't see $80k in one.
Great looking ute, got some Shit hot gear, Fox suspension, Fox coil over on the rear, factory 33's.
I just cannot see what their customer base is. Rich tradies, factory MX riders and jet skis with matching trailer?
Little 2litre twin turbo with 8 speed flappy paddle gear box, not something you would won't to tow a big van or Malibu ski boat.
I can't see it being purchased as a vehicle to cruise the outback with, not something you would drop at ARB and fit it with their cataloge.
I really don't know, it'll be interesting to see their targeted customers.
For the $80k, I'd purchase their wild track, and add some fruit and it'll be much more fersitile than the Raptor.
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I just cannot see what their customer base is. Rich tradies, factory MX riders and jet skis with matching trailer?
you hit their market on the head perfectly!
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Dangit! I came back to say exactly that!^
I don't predict many 3 ton van dragging nomads buying these, but that doesn't mean they won't sell plenty. I was trying to explain that to my 3.5 ton 25 foot silverline hauling dad. He can't understand why anyone would buy a ute that can't drag 3.5 ton, and no matter how hard I try I can't convince him that there are people out there who don't need that towing capacity and (this one makes him need a lie down) might not even put towing capacity at the top of their list of criteria!
Having said that, I do reckon we'll be seeing plenty of these on the road soon enough, though I doubt I'd buy one even if I did have 80k to drop on a rig.
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Little 2litre twin turbo with 8 speed flappy paddle gear box, not something you would won't to tow a big van or Malibu ski boat.
I can't see it being purchased as a vehicle to cruise the outback with, not something you would drop at ARB and fit it with their catalog
GVM = 3090kg
GCM = 5350kg
Kurb weight = 2332kg
payload = 758kg
max braked towing capacity = 2500kg
Load up the car, and you will need to trim back the weight of the trailer ?
2l twin turbo 10 speed auto................................doesn't sound highly strung at all ?
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I own a JetSki and have no interest in them ;D I'm waiting for the 2019 RAM 1500
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I'd spend the money on a 2 or 3 nice old classics from the 50's and 60's.
You know, back when cars had some style, a bit class and you could tell what each one was by the shape, not the badge.
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you hit their market on the head perfectly!
Yep and those blokes that put 5inch lift and 35s on there ranger and there never seen a dirt road :cheers:
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I was trying to explain that to my 3.5 ton 25 foot silverline hauling dad. He can't understand why anyone would buy a ute that can't drag 3.5 ton,
I can't understand why anyone would buy a ute and try and tow 3.5 ton full stop ??
The Raptor will be for the urban wanna be cowboys.......a can of spray on mud will be an accessory !!!
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Caravan owners hate this, but the Asia dual cab tow ratings are mostly fanciful, the Raptors at 2500 is probably honest.
I would absolutely buy a Ranger in a heart beat, the out of the box off road capability is great and it would tow a small camper trailer places where previously only nicely modified Jeep Wranglers would take them.
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I’d go to an independent dealer and buy the real Raptor. Hopefully this model fails and ford see the light and bring the F trucks back now that dodge and Chev are making inroads
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I can't understand why anyone would buy a ute and try and tow 3.5 ton full stop ??
The Raptor will be for the urban wanna be cowboys.......a can of spray on mud will be an accessory !!!
Or just about any vehicle for that matter, unless it’s a truck or rig (relying on the old Australian definition of that term, as opposed to the new American version).
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Caravan owners hate this, but the Asia dual cab tow ratings are mostly fanciful, the Raptors at 2500 is probably honest.
I would absolutely buy a Ranger in a heart beat, the out of the box off road capability is great and it would tow a small camper trailer places where previously only nicely modified Jeep Wranglers would take them.
You didn’t just write that did you....??
A out of the box stock ranger will go the same places as a modified Wrangler. ???
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I can't understand why anyone would buy a ute and try and tow 3.5 ton full stop ??
I have a 79 series and do tow 3.5t. I also want to have plenty of room for all the other bits and pieces, and be able to carry them within the vehicles GVM/GCM. Also want to seriously go off road.
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Can’t buy a Maloo , Can’t buy an FPV ‘Ute ‘ .
Tradies who only need to carry a pencil in the back and get about fast will be lining up to buy .
These will carry a couple of extra apprentices also ....
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Ok so im the minority
Price point aside it is the engine that sunk me
I dont tow anymore and like the odd blast up to the beach or where i want to go and i also hate having to buy a new ute then go to ARB to spend extra money on stuff. I also cant stand the fact that in 2018 i have to buy a ute with crappy drum brakes on the back and handles like a pig due to leaf suspension. The Raptor potentially solved these issues
If they had of released the raptor with a decent V6 or similar petrol engine i probably would have bought a second hand one when the prices came down. It is designed as a off road fun machine more than a tow vehicle so why have a diesel at all
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I really don't know, it'll be interesting to see their targeted customers.
A quick google search answers that one for you.
The standard Ranger is for the tradie that wants a ute which kind of looks like a Yank race truck.
The Raptor Ranger is for the tradie that wants a ute which looks a lot more like a Yank race truck and has Fox shocks, so they can drive too fast over little bumps and pretend they are in a Yank race truck.....
(https://www.maxim.com/.image/t_share/MTU1OTQwNjE1NDg0MzUyMjQw/fordraptor2019.jpg)
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/amv-prod-cad-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/images/17q1/674167/2017-ford-f-150-raptor-supercab-test-review-car-and-driver-photo-674264-s-original.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,center&)
(https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GLOB/crop/800x450 0 0/resize/800x450!/format/jpg/quality/85/http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/3213f101ee77519db04faf549d7fdf6/206460008/ford-f-150-raptor.jpg)
(https://editorial.pxcrush.net/carsales/general/editorial/2018-ford-raptor-2257.jpg?)
(https://www.caranddriver.com/images/16q4/671590/2017-ford-f-150-raptor-crew-cab-test-review-car-and-driver-photo-672051-s-original.jpg)
Just a very small sample of images from various "test drive" articles, but the target market is pretty obvious....
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You didn’t just write that did you....??
A out of the box stock ranger will go the same places as a modified Wrangler. ???
Methinks maybe a troll...……..1st post n all
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I can't understand why anyone would buy a ute and try and tow 3.5 ton full stop ??
The Raptor will be for the urban wanna be cowboys.......a can of spray on mud will be an accessory !!!
Your just being polite...we call them wankers
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My rat run to the kids school has about 20 speed bumps and other traffic calming devices. Then theres good old Chatsworth road goat track at Coorpooroo. I’d make great use of that suspension setup twice a day.
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A out of the box stock ranger will go the same places as a modified Wrangler. ???
you could do that in a 1960 Vauxhall. :D
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I have a 79 series and do tow 3.5t. I also want to have plenty of room for all the other bits and pieces, and be able to carry them within the vehicles GVM/GCM. Also want to seriously go off road.
Sorry mate, meant a dual cab....as in Ranger, Triton, Colorado etc !!
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You didn’t just write that did you....??
A out of the box stock ranger will go the same places as a modified Wrangler. ???
Some of the same yeah, obviously not all of them. In no way implying that the Ranger Raptor is as capable as a Wrangler just that it's the next best in the Au market.
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Methinks maybe a troll...……..1st post n all
Not a troll, but the Ranger Raptor will get closer to keeping up with a Wrangler than say a Patrol.
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Not a troll, but the Ranger Raptor will get closer to keeping up with a Wrangler than say a Patrol.
I like this guy..... ;D 8)
You should post more often I reckon... :cheers: :cheers:
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you could do that in a 1960 Vauxhall. :D
You have got to be kidding.
The 3 speed column shift would let it down..... ;D
Go the poxy Vauxy
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Not a troll, but the Ranger Raptor will get closer to keeping up with a Wrangler than say a Patrol.
Them's fightin words!
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I can't understand why anyone would buy a ute and try and tow 3.5 ton full stop ??
The Raptor will be for the urban wanna be cowboys.......a can of spray on mud will be an accessory !!!
Totally agree our D.Max and modified Jayco (suspension up grade) went 6.3 ton yep 350kg over.
Now new MUX and 2 ton camper well with in legal limits.
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Dangit! I came back to say exactly that!^
I don't predict many 3 ton van dragging nomads buying these, but that doesn't mean they won't sell plenty. I was trying to explain that to my 3.5 ton 25 foot silverline hauling dad. He can't understand why anyone would buy a ute that can't drag 3.5 ton, and no matter how hard I try I can't convince him that there are people out there who don't need that towing capacity and (this one makes him need a lie down) might not even put towing capacity at the top of their list of criteria!
Having said that, I do reckon we'll be seeing plenty of these on the road soon enough, though I doubt I'd buy one even if I did have 80k to drop on a rig.
Agreed. Why would you introduce a ute that fits the market you already have with the Ranger? The whole idea would be to sell to a different buyer and not your existing customers. Yes it will be for those who won't use the payload, like a bit of extra 4WD ability offload, like the look of the ute, or are even urban cowboys. Its often about image!!! How many Prado's on the road actually need its clearance and 4WD ability? People like the idea of the possibilities and buy accordingly and the companies cash in. Its not for me but there will be a market, and Ford knows it.
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Agreed. Why would you introduce a ute that fits the market you already have with the Ranger? The whole idea would be to sell to a different buyer and not your existing customers. Yes it will be for those who won't use the payload, like a bit of extra 4WD ability offload, like the look of the ute, or are even urban cowboys. Its often about image!!! How many Prado's on the road actually need its clearance and 4WD ability? People like the idea of the possibilities and buy accordingly and the companies cash in. Its not for me but there will be a market, and Ford knows it.
I agree, but the Prado doesn’t have much clearance. It’s only about 220mm. Same as the average Ute, 4wd wagon. That’s not much.
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Consider " Off Road " with a rig that wider than the usual . l followed a bloke up the Cape in a black Unimog , at each crossing he had real trouble as he was wider than the cutting . There was lots of scrapes & dings as he cut his new width entry /exits .
Just what could you expect . ??? :cheers:
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I doubt you'll see many, if any, Raptors up in the Cape.
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While we are on the subject of Rangers how much do you know about the fire hazards .
Rangers diesel have a cross member under the drivers seat that collects grass clippings .
The exhaust pipe runs over the top , build up of grass , hot pipes . Think about it >:D
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While we are on the subject of Rangers how much do you know about the fire hazards .
Rangers diesel have a cross member under the drivers seat that collects grass clippings .
The exhaust pipe runs over the top , build up of grass , hot pipes . Think about it >:D
Plus on the Diesel, the particulate filter/exhaust afterburner. When it fires up, you get an exhaust that's way hotter.
In an area where the pipe would normally be at its coolest.
There have already been burnt utes because of them.
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While we are on the subject of Rangers how much do you know about the fire hazards .
Rangers diesel have a cross member under the drivers seat that collects grass clippings .
The exhaust pipe runs over the top , build up of grass , hot pipes . Think about it >:D
Factory installed seat warmer.
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Factory installed seat warmer.
was my first thought.. geee some people need to think outside the square more often.
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Ok so im the minority
Price point aside it is the engine that sunk me
I dont tow anymore and like the odd blast up to the beach or where i want to go and i also hate having to buy a new ute then go to ARB to spend extra money on stuff. I also cant stand the fact that in 2018 i have to buy a ute with crappy drum brakes on the back and handles like a pig due to leaf suspension. The Raptor potentially solved these issues
If they had of released the raptor with a decent V6 or similar petrol engine i probably would have bought a second hand one when the prices came down. It is designed as a off road fun machine more than a tow vehicle so why have a diesel at all
Pretty much my thoughts also.
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Went and had a look yesterday.
Didn't like the plastic bumper. Didn't appear to be much more (if any) extra room in the second row. It looks wider but mainly just how the fenders are flared.
One thing that always get me with expensive cars... no window tint.
I'm sure it performs well off-road but it wouldn't be my first choice of ute
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You pay an extra $15000 for the big lump of chit, that sits on top of the bonnet! 😉
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Hurry up corkhead!
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Plus on the Diesel, the particulate filter/exhaust afterburner. When it fires up, you get an exhaust that's way hotter.
In an area where the pipe would normally be at its coolest.
There have already been burnt utes because of them.
While we are on the subject of Rangers how much do you know about the fire hazards .
Rangers diesel have a cross member under the drivers seat that collects grass clippings .
The exhaust pipe runs over the top , build up of grass , hot pipes . Think about it >:D
This problem was subject to a recall notice. They fixed mine on 3k service
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Went and had a look yesterday.
Didn't like the plastic bumper. Didn't appear to be much more (if any) extra room in the second row. It looks wider but mainly just how the fenders are flared.
One thing that always get me with expensive cars... no window tint.
I'm sure it performs well off-road but it wouldn't be my first choice of ute
Why would you expect any extra rear set room when it is just a normal Ranger on steroids, same for the width, normal ranger with steroid induced flares
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Almost makes an Amarok look appealing, no not really.
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I'm waiting for the 2019 RAM 1500
I stopped at a dealership in Ballarat the other day and had a look at one. First impression: Farrrk she's big lol. I would've loved to hear it start up hehe. Plenty of room inside for me & mine. Dunno how short wifey would do getting up to the cab though >:D :angel:
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Yeah it’s got plenty of room. I had a look at the 2018 that’s available now but apparently the 2019 version is a big improvement
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Went and had a look yesterday.
Didn't like the plastic bumper. Didn't appear to be much more (if any) extra room in the second row. It looks wider but mainly just how the fenders are flared.
One thing that always get me with expensive cars... no window tint.
I'm sure it performs well off-road but it wouldn't be my first choice of ute
The bumpers are supposed to be steel aren’t they?
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An article I read (?) suggested an engine upgrade and an Superior Engineering coil conversion kit would be a good substitute. https://www.superiorengineering.com.au/4x4-suspension/coil-conversion-kits?filter=364,355 (https://www.superiorengineering.com.au/4x4-suspension/coil-conversion-kits?filter=364,355)
Interesting idea but wouldn't have the "WOW" factor
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Has it got the " New braking system " . Push a button & the wheel fall off ???
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The bumpers are supposed to be steel aren’t they?
Not sure. The one they had on display was definitely plastic but had a metal bash plate
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Has it got the " New braking system " . Push a button & the wheel fall off ???
is that to go along with the parking assist, pedestrian warning, asteroid warning, lane change warning, bloke on the pushbike on the footpath warning, little old lady trimming her flowers in her garden warning, traffic lights are going to change soon warning?
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Not sure. The one they had on display was definitely plastic but had a metal bash plate
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Just looked it up. ‘Frame mounted bumper’. The frame pic shows a crossmember in behind the plastic. Definitely plastic though. Front guards are ‘composite’. Quite a lot of little differences to a bog standard one. If I was leasing and wanted something I could tour in I’d be taking one for a drive. It would eat up outback miles and corrugations like a sahara with kdss I reckon.
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is that to go along with the parking assist, pedestrian warning, asteroid warning, lane change warning, bloke on the pushbike on the footpath warning, little old lady trimming her flowers in her garden warning, traffic lights are going to change soon warning?
My 1988 XF panel van has all that fitted too. 8)
Its called fukkin eyes and moving ya fukkin head. ;D
Just more dumbing down of the general population.
If they spent that money on teaching people how to drive VS how to pass a test.
Then we could lose those stupid "Speed Kills" crap from everyday life.
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My 1988 XF panel van has all that fitted too. 8)
My old datto 1600 had a different system, where you moved the arse end of the car opposite direction so you could see - saved moving your head :D
Just more dumbing down of the general population.
If they spent that money on teaching people how to drive VS how to pass a test.
Then we could lose those stupid "Speed Kills" crap from everyday life.
x willions.
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So, lets say you buy a new Raptor, the things you can look forward to in around 10 years.
Faded headlights, hood lining falling down, clear coat peeling off, plastic clips and retainers failing...... should I continue.
OK, the big one, within a week of ownership or less, its worth around 2/3rds what you paid for it.
Wanna feel better about yourself, it happens to just about every new car.
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So, lets say you buy a new Raptor, the things you can look forward to in around 10 years.
Faded headlights, hood lining falling down
Those first two apply to nearly every vehicle on the market now anyway so nothing special there
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Those first two apply to nearly every vehicle on the market now anyway so nothing special there
I think thats what he is getting at ;)
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lts the number plate screws that do the damage , completely stuff the Rig >:D :cheers: