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Title: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: terravista on June 29, 2018, 12:21:00 PM
Has anyone used or seen used the manual tyre changers that run between $120 to $180?
Like these
They look like they would be handy compared to bead breakers and tyre levers, but have better things to waste my money on if they don't work.
Cheers
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Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: Bird on June 29, 2018, 12:39:05 PM
looks rather bulky for portable..
how often would you use it compared to the other styles?
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: terravista on June 29, 2018, 01:05:33 PM
looks rather bulky for portable..
how often would you use it compared to the other styles?

I was looking at welding up a mounting point on the CT to stabilise it. I still have room in the CT and the weight won't hurt, but the drama I had with a couple of tyres out Birdsville way a few years ago would make it worthwhile if it worked. Tyre pliers and levers took too bloody long and I took a chunk out of an alloy wheel.
As to how often???? Hopefully never.
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: Bird on June 29, 2018, 01:19:51 PM
Quote from: terravista
I was looking at welding up a mounting point on the CT to stabilise it. I still have room in the CT and the weight won't hurt, but the drama I had with a couple of tyres out Birdsville way a few years ago would make it worthwhile if it worked. Tyre pliers and levers took too bloody long and I took a chunk out of an alloy wheel.
As to how often???? Hopefully never.
fair nuff... this also looks 'easy' to operate once assembled.

https://www.astrosafari.com/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=78713 (https://www.astrosafari.com/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=78713)

I got one of these style (not bike but car) you can have .. works pretty well, only used dozen times on Training weekends
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2BkAAOSwTIhaeHnw/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on June 29, 2018, 01:32:34 PM
looks rather bulky for portable..
how often would you use it compared to the other styles?

The similar ones in servo's/garages were bolted down to the concrete slab floor.
Not sure how you'd get it to stay in one place, unless you did anchor it to the Trailer.
Or fitted something into the tow hitch receiver to stabilise it. 
But then elbow and swinging room would be a problem too.
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: terravista on June 29, 2018, 02:24:51 PM
The similar ones in servo's/garages were bolted down to the concrete slab floor.
Not sure how you'd get it to stay in one place, unless you did anchor it to the Trailer.
Or fitted something into the tow hitch receiver to stabilise it. 
But then elbow and swinging room would be a problem too.


I was thinking making a bracket similar to the tow hitch and adding one to the back of the trailer for getting towed out backwards if the need ever arose.
It shouldn't be too hard to rotate the whole wheel half way through to get the elbow room.
Cheers
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: terravista on June 29, 2018, 02:29:36 PM
https://www.astrosafari.com/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=78713 (https://www.astrosafari.com/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=78713)

I got one of these style (not bike but car) you can have .. works pretty well, only used dozen times on Training weekends

That guys hand made set up looks good but way past my skill set. I suppose I could get a Chinese copy made for one tenth the price and one tenth the strength.

As for the offer of the bike one,thanks, but any bike I rode would need bigger wheels than the bike bead breaker could handle.
Cheers
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: Bird on June 29, 2018, 04:03:22 PM
Quote from: terravista
As for the offer of the bike one,thanks, but any bike I rode would need bigger wheels than the bike bead breaker could handle.
Cheers
it aint a bike one - but that style of breaker... think its tyreplyer brand .. aint used it in several years.
its the one I've used numerous times on 33's and 35's ;)
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: silverfox1111 on June 29, 2018, 06:25:41 PM
I've got & used the same style in the original post, supercheap brand though.
Takes a bit of effort but does work & worthwhile if your changing a few tyres. Don't think it would be a good as a portable unit.
Only problem I've found is it marks the edge of the rims when the long bar is used to get the tyre bead over the rims when removing the tyre.
Silverfox
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: Rodt on June 30, 2018, 06:14:25 AM
Only problem I've found is it marks the edge of the rims when the long bar is used to get the tyre bead over the rims when removing the tyre.
Silverfox
Used to use similar to this years ago (heavier duty air operated) and this was the problem then also. Got around it easy enough by just putting a rag down between the bar and the rim before starting (after breaking the bead of course ;D)
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: Traveller on July 03, 2018, 08:23:29 AM
I had an R&R bead breaker for years and reckon they work well. The best bit is that there is minimal effort in actually breaking the bead, just wind down the bolt a few times. Packs up into a small unit as well.

My main issue is that I haven't had a lot of punctures over the years (touch wood), and need to go through a refresher course the few times I have used it. I have used it on alloys and steel and haven't found any scuffing occurring.

Even the great man used to use one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq16K1d--fw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq16K1d--fw)

I am not associated with R&R in anyway.
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: Pete79 on July 03, 2018, 05:36:21 PM
So the R&R can be used to rip the tyre off the rim and fit the new one?

Personally I’ve found breaking the bead is the really easy bit.
Not completely destroying the tyre trying to remove it was the problem..... ;)
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: Traveller on July 03, 2018, 07:28:23 PM
Here is another video of the R&R in action. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7slF7eg83M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7slF7eg83M)

As the guy says, the tyre he is using has been used so many times that it just about jumps on and off by itself, but it still gives an idea on how easy it is. The other point is that I don't have a tailgate so I still have to do the repair on a tarp on the ground.
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: terravista on July 04, 2018, 08:50:22 AM
I have a bead breaker, and it seems to work reasonably well, but I also have tyre levers and they have never worked as easy as the Youtube video shows. Either I am hopeless, my levers suck or that bozo at the show doing demo's has a rigged tyre. Nearly no effort and the opposite side of the tyre is not even in the rim well to give it room. I call BS on that.
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: GROB on July 08, 2018, 11:27:51 AM
You can use your high lift jack even a car jack will do the job to break the beads . 2 good quality tyre levers, cheap ones tend to have sharp edges, 1 rubber mallet
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: terravista on July 09, 2018, 09:10:49 AM
You can use your high lift jack even a car jack will do the job to break the beads . 2 good quality tyre levers, cheap ones tend to have sharp edges, 1 rubber mallet


I tried the hi-lift on a tyre from my CT out near Birdsville a bunch of years ago and all it did was lift the 4x4 off the ground, and had other tyres just too strong (or old) for tyre levers to stretch over the rim. I have one of the Supercheap machines being delivered in a day or so to a friends place near Rockhampton. I hope I never have to use it, but if I do I will throw a report up on it.
My thanks  for all the responses.
Cheers
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: Bird on July 09, 2018, 09:18:34 AM

I tried the hi-lift on a tyre from my CT out near Birdsville a bunch of years ago and all it did was lift the 4x4 off the ground, and had other tyres just too strong (or old) for tyre levers to stretch over the rim. I have one of the Supercheap machines being delivered in a day or so to a friends place near Rockhampton. I hope I never have to use it, but if I do I will throw a report up on it.
My thanks  for all the responses.
Cheers
practice a dozen times with it with an old Shitty tyre from a wrecker... that way if you phuk things up its only an old tyre, old rim, but you know if it works or not ;)
Title: Re: Manual Tyre Changers
Post by: jk on July 09, 2018, 10:59:59 AM
I had to strip 5 x tyres off some Suzuki rims on the weekend so dragged out the trusty Tyreplyers. It's been quite awhile since I used them so it was a good refresher course.
Not a fun job but the Tyreplyers easily broke the beads on the rims ( some were very old and stuck ), as said above, have a dry run on some old rims and tyres before you need them in the real world, but it's a good skill to have  :cheers: