Post by: woolgoolgaoffroad on March 21, 2018, 01:31:40 PM
Am looking at an option of doing a front intercooler onto my 80 series ( 1HDT factory turbo diesel ) - has anyone gone the Ebay way and bought one online ?
And if so - you happy with it ?
Kev
Post by: two up on March 21, 2018, 02:43:07 PM
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Post by: Bird on March 21, 2018, 03:08:17 PM
I've used a eBay tube and fin 600*300*75 on a td42. Has had about 25psi going through it for the past 5 yrs. Is it as good as a $1000-1500 cooler, probably not. However it cools well and to date has been problem free.
It would also depend on the ebay seller.
Post by: two up on March 21, 2018, 03:15:20 PM
It would also depend on the ebay seller.? As Pauline says Please Explain.
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Post by: RebsWA on March 21, 2018, 03:23:51 PM
Post by: woolgoolgaoffroad on March 21, 2018, 03:31:42 PM
Are you thinking of an intercooler as a solo mod for your 1hdt engine?i was, I've done the exhaust and have snorkel. Just looking at getting fresh cold air in for a little more power, is there any other mods that would suit ?
Post by: Bird on March 21, 2018, 03:59:18 PM
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i was, I've done the exhaust and have snorkel.
I wouldnt expect an intercooler would do much on its own.
Post by: RebsWA on March 21, 2018, 04:09:48 PM
i was, I've done the exhaust and have snorkel. Just looking at getting fresh cold air in for a little more power, is there any other mods that would suit ?
I think you will find no appreciable gain in power by fitting an intercooler to what you already have.
Post by: woolgoolgaoffroad on March 21, 2018, 04:18:02 PM
I think you will find no appreciable gain in power by fitting an intercooler to what you already have.
oh ok.... i thought it was like forced induction of cold air into the turbo . I think i saw on the Safari site they claim 28% more power and 25% more torque
Post by: Bird on March 21, 2018, 04:18:46 PM
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oh ok.... i thought it was like forced induction of cold air into the turbo . I think i saw on the Safari site they claim 28% more power and 25% more torque
With the turbo yes.
Post by: RebsWA on March 21, 2018, 04:30:41 PM
oh ok.... i thought it was like forced induction of cold air into the turbo . I think i saw on the Safari site they claim 28% more power and 25% more torqueThe intercooler is after the turbo. You probably read of fitting a turbo and intercooler to a 1HZ that is naturally aspirated.
My troopy is a factory turbo 1hdfte without intercooler. If it made any real difference I would have put one on a long time ago. I also have a 3" exhaust and a snorkle. To justify a intercooler I would need to up boost pressure, change injectors, fit voltage clamps, and other expensive bits that I just dont need. Power mods are fine if you really need them but can cause reliability issues if not done properly.
Post by: woolgoolgaoffroad on March 21, 2018, 04:33:33 PM
I've had the pump done, larger lines. injectors done etc
Post by: alnjan on March 21, 2018, 04:34:58 PM
Post by: RebsWA on March 21, 2018, 04:35:51 PM
Post by: RebsWA on March 21, 2018, 04:39:07 PM
the cooler denser air from an intercooler will improve engine performance and economy. But a lot of that come back to just how good an intercooler you put on
In theory maybe but I have never seen any test results to confirm such gains with just an intercooler.
Post by: alnjan on March 21, 2018, 04:48:01 PM
Post by: RebsWA on March 21, 2018, 05:21:00 PM
maybe not test results but from blokes that have fitted them can confirm the improvements
Mmmm with respect, after blokes have spent a fair bit of money on an intercooler only its unlikely they will say "well, that was a expensive disappointment"
Post by: alnjan on March 21, 2018, 05:31:34 PM
Mmmm with respect, after blokes have spent a fair bit of money on an intercooler only its unlikely they will say "well, that was a expensive disappointment"
nah, just done cheap jobs. Just added a cheap intercooler to their factory turbo vehicles.
Post by: Rumpig on March 21, 2018, 05:42:56 PM
Mmmm with respect, after blokes have spent a fair bit of money on an intercooler only its unlikely they will say "well, that was a expensive disappointment"noticed a decent power gain when mine was fitted going on seat of the pants driving. Vehicle was never dyno'd to know how much exactly, but being my daily driver I know how it felt before and afterwards.....the vehicle already had a DTS turbo fitted running a standard factory exhaust system which was very disappointing power wise (biggest waste of money ever I thought at the time), then nearly a week later (due to wife having a baby) the Beaudesert 3" exhaust system went on and it was a massive differance alround, then probably 6 months later the DTS front mount intercooler was added.
Doing all those upgrades to my 1HZ was a huge waste of money in the end I reckon, there was big power gains achieved over factory standard and the vehicle did take us on holidays towing the camper as far North as Darwin and South around Tassie,, but I wish I had ploughed that money into a 1HDFTE conversion instead (not that they were well known of back then though).
Post by: Hookie on March 21, 2018, 05:56:54 PM
A bigger intercooler is high on the list for people trying to squeeze a bit more power out of their 3 litre patrols.
You're sure as hell not going to make things worse. So if you can afford the gamble and aren't going to wallow in a pit of despair if it doesn't make much difference then I'd say go for it. If the ebay one makes a difference and doesn't last, you can decide if it's worth investing in a higher quality one. If it doesn't make a difference then just leave it on or pull it off.
If it was me I'd give the ebay one a go.
Post by: RebsWA on March 21, 2018, 07:12:23 PM
If nothing else you have some bragging rights. ;D
Post by: two up on March 21, 2018, 07:12:55 PM
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Post by: duggie on March 21, 2018, 07:51:12 PM
How much boost are you running and what are your exhaust gas temperatures like.
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Exhaust gas temps are only as good as your placement of probe , brand of gauge and brand of probe.
You can/could have 20 vehicles lined up and they will all give a different reading . Due to what I have stated above .
IMO - EGT's are only specific to your own set up / car . Yep. don't deny that having a EGT gauge is handy , but you cant compare readings from other peoples setups .
Post by: nab on March 22, 2018, 01:39:48 AM
Post by: IanS on March 22, 2018, 10:50:37 AM
Post by: two up on March 22, 2018, 11:00:51 AM
If I understand the OP’s situation he is proposing fitting an intercooler to a naturally aspirated engine, the reason that it wont make any difference to performance is that in a turbo charged engine the act of compressing the air heats it up, it then goes through the intercooler to bring it back down closer to the ambient air temperature. In a naturally aspirated engine you are drawing in air at ambient air temp and passing it through an intercooler which has air at the same temperature as your intake air passing through it, therefore you are not going to get any cooling effect. I would suggest that you would probably degrade the performance of the motor because you would be causing a restriction in the airflow by the intercooler itself and the increase in length of the air intake plumbing.A 1hdt motor is a Toyota factory turbo motor, so your previous comment is irrelevant. If the op intends to limit the boost to factory settings then a intercooler is probably not needed, but if he intends to up the boost and fueling then a intercooler is very desirable.
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Post by: two up on March 22, 2018, 12:18:36 PM
Good quality gauge and probe with the probe tapped into the exhaust manifold will tell you what is going on with your vehicle, it's not about comparisons. It will also tell you if you are going in the right direction with any increase in boost or fuel. Not as necessary on a crd but on a old school highly recommended.
Exhaust gas temps are only as good as your placement of probe , brand of gauge and brand of probe.
You can/could have 20 vehicles lined up and they will all give a different reading . Due to what I have stated above .
IMO - EGT's are only specific to your own set up / car . Yep. don't deny that having a EGT gauge is handy , but you cant compare readings from other peoples setups .
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Post by: alnjan on March 22, 2018, 02:53:27 PM
If I understand the OP’s situation he is proposing fitting an intercooler to a naturally aspirated engine, the reason that it wont make any difference to performance is that in a turbo charged engine the act of compressing the air heats it up, it then goes through the intercooler to bring it back down closer to the ambient air temperature. In a naturally aspirated engine you are drawing in air at ambient air temp and passing it through an intercooler which has air at the same temperature as your intake air passing through it, therefore you are not going to get any cooling effect. I would suggest that you would probably degrade the performance of the motor because you would be causing a restriction in the airflow by the intercooler itself and the increase in length of the air intake plumbing.
The 1HDT that Kev has is the factory 4.2 turbo diesel 80 Series Landcruiser. the one that came from the factory with a turbo fitted.
Post by: Coolblue80 on March 22, 2018, 03:45:18 PM
If I understand the OP’s situation he is proposing fitting an intercooler to a naturally aspirated engine, the reason that it wont make any difference to performance is that in a turbo charged engine the act of compressing the air heats it up, it then goes through the intercooler to bring it back down closer to the ambient air temperature. In a naturally aspirated engine you are drawing in air at ambient air temp and passing it through an intercooler which has air at the same temperature as your intake air passing through it, therefore you are not going to get any cooling effect. I would suggest that you would probably degrade the performance of the motor because you would be causing a restriction in the airflow by the intercooler itself and the increase in length of the air intake plumbing.Reading his opening statement it appears his Cruiser is 1hdt powered which is factory turbo diesel.
Cheers, Mike.
Post by: woolgoolgaoffroad on March 22, 2018, 06:05:09 PM
as alnjan - said its a factory TD........
How much boost are you running and what are your exhaust gas temperatures like. ...... just standard boost- was set when the pump got done several years ago. Not sure about the temps- cant imagine it being too extreme.
Post by: alnjan on March 22, 2018, 07:11:52 PM
Post by: woolgoolgaoffroad on March 22, 2018, 07:17:21 PM
I think the main thing with after fitting the intercooler is to get a decent tune on the engine to get it running at optimum performance.
as optimal as 80's can get !!!
Thanks Al, hope all is well.
Post by: nab on March 22, 2018, 11:19:36 PM
proposing fitting an intercooler to a naturally aspirated engine
I missed that bit. In that case save ya money!!!
Post by: Rumpig on March 23, 2018, 05:37:42 AM
I missed that bit. In that case save ya money!!!and you have missed the part where it was explained the T in 1HDT stands for turbo.
Post by: woolgoolgaoffroad on March 23, 2018, 07:16:50 AM
and you have missed the part where it was explained the T in 1HDT stands for turbo.yeeeeep......little things get missed and people assume or just don't read
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on March 23, 2018, 10:10:42 AM
The one for the 1HZ indirectly injected N/A Diesel.
And the one for the 1HDT, a Direct injected Turbo, 12 valve motor with heavier casting and internals.
Despite this people still want to Turbo the lightweight engine.
Safari built an intercooler that was mounted in front, behind the Grille. This can cause overheating problems in some circumstances.
Cross Country (I think) make a top mount one that's fitted with a fan for assisting with cooling.
PWR could also have a similar top mount cooler as well as HPD in Adelaide. Top mounts need an opening in the bonnet or ducting for air flow.
It would depend on whether you wanted reliability, or you were chasing Tons of Newts and Killing Watts from your beast.
As others have said, It's a lot of money to spend, and you may get no perceived return.
Post by: two up on March 23, 2018, 10:47:44 AM
To the original poster, what is you aim in doing this modification?
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Post by: RebsWA on March 23, 2018, 10:54:26 AM
Post by: vern on March 23, 2018, 11:05:51 AM
My scenario is isuzu 4bd1t in a rangie, had a top mount air to air, egts were up around 730°c, boost at 30psi, injector pump turned up somewhat.
Now it sports a Plazmaman 800hp water to air, same boost, maximum fuelling from the pump (any more will require bigger plungers), and egts around 650°C now.
So they do work, you just have to work on budget and what fits
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Post by: two up on March 23, 2018, 11:09:52 AM
two up, read the 6th post from the top.Fairly vague statement, cooler air for a little more power. Cool air doesn't make power, adding more fuel does, which requires more air which means more boost therefore more heat and a greater requirement for cooling.
Again what is the op trying to achieve.
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Post by: two up on March 23, 2018, 11:15:35 AM
Yes an intercooler works if you are planning on upping the boost and fuel.I don't think he is going that extreme, but it sounds like you have got that singing.
My scenario is isuzu 4bd1t in a rangie, had a top mount air to air, egts were up around 730°c, boost at 30psi, injector pump turned up somewhat.
Now it sports a Plazmaman 800hp water to air, same boost, maximum fuelling from the pump (any more will require bigger plungers), and egts around 650°C now.
So they do work, you just have to work on budget and what fits
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Post by: RebsWA on March 23, 2018, 11:16:19 AM
Fairly vague statement, cooler air for a little more power. Cool air doesn't make power, adding more fuel does, which requires more air which means more boost therefore more heat and a greater requirement for cooling.
Again what is the op trying to achieve.
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More power! I think the OP's question has been answered based on his response.
Post by: two up on March 23, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
More power! I think the OP's question has been answered based on his response.No it hasn't, depending on how much more he means he may get a completely different answer.
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Post by: RebsWA on March 23, 2018, 11:57:51 AM
No it hasn't, depending on how much more he means he may get a completely different answer.
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??? I reckon you need to read the whole thread again. :D
Post by: two up on March 23, 2018, 12:33:39 PM
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Post by: vern on March 23, 2018, 03:19:33 PM
Have read the whole thread numerous times, as opposed to others. Without knowing what his setup is currently doing it's hard to give advice. He has previously said that he would like a little bit more power and cooler air, he has upgraded the fuel pump injectors and fitted a 3" exhaust and it has been tuned. What boost is it currently running, if the turbo is now close to its limits more power may mean a better turbo, does he have issues with his afr's etc etc. My advice before he does anything else would be to fit a boost and egt gauge. Find out what is currently going on and make informed decisions from there.Bingo!
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Post by: RebsWA on March 23, 2018, 05:11:11 PM
Have read the whole thread numerous times, as opposed to others. Without knowing what his setup is currently doing it's hard to give advice. He has previously said that he would like a little bit more power and (thinks) (cooler air) will do that, he has upgraded (reconditioned?) the fuel pump (and) injectors and fitted a 3" exhaust (done the exhaust) and it has been tuned. What boost is it currently running, (stock probably) if the turbo is now close to its limits more power may mean a better turbo, does he have issues with his afr's (not mentioned) etc etc. My advice before he does anything else would be to fit a boost and egt gauge. (stock engine? not needed - more expense) Find out what is currently going on and make informed decisions from there.
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With respect to the OP, the above in red type is my english comprehension of the thread. With no reply to a question about upgraded injectors as opposed to reconned injectors I reasonably assume the engine is stock apart from the exhaust and snorkle. That's why I suggest he not bother with an intercooler. If there are more mods than the OP has posted then I give up trying to be helpful. I also doubt the OP would be really interested in throwing money at power mods to a 80 series 1HDT that probably has accumulated a few kms by now. But I have been wrong before. ;D
Post by: vern on March 23, 2018, 05:42:18 PM
With respect to the OP, the above in red type is my english comprehension of the thread. With no reply to a question about upgraded injectors as opposed to reconned injectors I reasonably assume the engine is stock apart from the exhaust and snorkle. That's why I suggest he not bother with an intercooler. If there are more mods than the OP has posted then I give up trying to be helpful. I also doubt the OP would be really interested in throwing money at power mods to a 80 series 1HDT that probably has accumulated a few kms by now. But I have been wrong before. ;DDoes it matter if the engine is stock? Injectors stock? Turbo stock?
Mines all stock, my afrs are 22:1, boost 30psi, fuel maxed, egts around 650°c pre turbo. Intercooler is definitely needed in my case. But mine isn't a 1hdt, so there could be the difference
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Post by: duggie on March 23, 2018, 06:50:23 PM
My advice before he does anything else would be to fit a boost and egt gauge. Find out what is currently going on and make informed decisions from there.
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Not going to disagree with this statement , but I have EGT and Boost gauges and I very very rarely even take a peek at either .
It is not rocket science, cooler intake air will equate to a increase in power. Early cool morning pulling up incline compared to midday in summer pulling up the same incline, the vehicle will work a lot harder on the hot day .
Another advantage with having a intercooler , if/when the factory turbo blows , the components wont make it into the intake/valves .
I have seen several Toyota 1hdt engines have turbo failures with a fair bit of damage done to the intake/head due to no intercooler to collect the shrapnel.
Post by: woolgoolgaoffroad on March 23, 2018, 07:08:04 PM
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