Post by: GBC on December 01, 2017, 01:43:34 PM
Post by: weeds on December 01, 2017, 01:46:52 PM
If not what do they do if your overweight??
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Post by: Bird on December 01, 2017, 02:01:41 PM
Is it an education exercise??give you a nice fine and the number of a tow truck company
If not what do they do if your overweight??
Post by: weeds on December 01, 2017, 02:11:13 PM
give you a nice fine and the number of a tow truck company
Start of school holiday.......every second 4WD will probably be over. I think they will need a couple of B Double Car Carriers
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Post by: Bird on December 01, 2017, 02:22:34 PM
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Start of school holiday.......every second 4WD will probably be over. I think they will need a couple of B Double Car Carrierswatchin the cop/rbt shows on tele they have had a few over limits who haven't been allowed to move until they remove some weight...
Post by: Charlie Brown on December 01, 2017, 06:53:41 PM
Post by: Bigfish on December 01, 2017, 08:44:16 PM
Excellent. Transport will be checking weights and defects I presume. Cops will be doing licences and RBT. Might stop some of the dicks who are too stupid to do the right thing.
Yep, many of the wankers will know they are overweight but they dont care. Hopefully a decent fine and transport cost might wake the tools up..
Post by: weeds on December 01, 2017, 09:36:46 PM
Yep, many of the wankers will know they are overweight but they dont care. Hopefully a decent fine and transport cost might wake the tools up..
I think you’ll fine everyday mums and dads will be over and either don’t realize or don’t want to know.......
bugger all people put their rig over a weigh bridge.
The last big family trip (couple of years ago) I did in hi-lux we were overweight on GVM and rear axle. Three teenage kids, camper, touring for a couple of weeks. 300kg over without really trying. Suppose I could have returned home and offloaded some weight....
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Post by: Bird on December 01, 2017, 09:48:27 PM
I think you’ll fine everyday mums and dads will be over and either don’t realize or were told total bullShit by the camper trailer manufacturerfixed
Post by: rags on December 01, 2017, 09:49:43 PM
Three teenage kids, camper, touring for a couple of weeks. 300kg over without really trying. Suppose I could have returned home and offloaded some weight....
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Problem is that if you went home and unloaded some weight, you will end up in trouble again as I'm sure leaving 3 kids alone while you went on holiday is an offence😃
Post by: bdrjnr on December 02, 2017, 05:39:34 AM
I was getting a e check (pink slip) in NSW this week. And i always ask what are the latest bulletins from rms? Or what are they trying to push through.
The guy mentioned one thing that kind of goes along with this. Now this was for nsw. And this doesnt seem right.. so i may have misunderstood. Or he may have miss understood.
They are starting to crack down on total weights. So my licence has 4.5 tonne gvm. In short how he described it was that if i had a 3 tonne 4wd and a 2 tonne caravan i will have a total of 5 tonne therefore according to licene it will be illeagal.
I understand all the thousands and thousands that will be affected.....
He mentioned there will be a special online test for people to upgrade licence. So not a truck licwnce as such but a "towing licence" he dodnt know the weigbts but for example a total weight of 6 tonne.
I spoke to a couple of other ppl i know and they said that couldnt be right.
Not sure if any of you have heard anything like this.. or if i have misunderstood.. please let me know.
Post by: GBC on December 02, 2017, 05:52:01 AM
Post by: bdrjnr on December 02, 2017, 06:01:17 AM
I think you’ve misheard him. In qld the magic number is 4495 kg for gvm before a rego and license upgrade is required. That doesn’t include your 3500 kg plus trailer. I wouldn’t be surprised if a few imported and modified rigs get up there but it wouldn’t be common for most of us.Thanks GBC. I asked him 3 times to makes sure.. and he was pretty confident.
But i probably misheard him.. trying to make sure he passed my motorbike.
Ha ha
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Post by: callmejoe on December 02, 2017, 02:17:56 PM
A car lic is a weight no greater then 4.49t.(corrected i push t wrong digit)
You can tow 3.5 on a standard lic... but there are a few exception, the max on paper is a combo of 9t yes 9t.
Example A f250 rated at 4.5t and RATED to tow 4.5 (most likely a 5th wheeler setup) total of 9t. All on a standard lic... Tassie did change that law to something more realistic.
Alot of the standards for towing are actually set by yr vehiclee limitations. Reason bring 3.5t seems to be the "standard" max.
Post by: #jonesy on December 02, 2017, 05:44:32 PM
So you can drive at 4.5.although a lot of people mistakenly believe that it has to be under Also why quite a few hire truck are 4495kg
And it been a while since I read the regs for Vic relating to licences, but I think you are allowed to tow a full 9t trailer! And not a max GCM of 9t. Not that I can think of a vehicle combination that would be that big.
Post by: gronk on December 02, 2017, 06:27:25 PM
Car licence is not exceeding 4.5t. GVMAs per a few hire trucks, I drive a small pantech with a 4.4t TARE weight, and although I have a MR license, it can be driven with a normal license, BUT, if I had a normal license, I could only carry 100kgs !!!
So you can drive at 4.5.although a lot of people mistakenly believe that it has to be under Also why quite a few hire truck are 4495kg
And it been a while since I read the regs for Vic relating to licences, but I think you are allowed to tow a full 9t trailer! And not a max GCM of 9t. Not that I can think of a vehicle combination that would be that big.
But there are a lot doing it because they are confused about tare and GVM. Same as restricted roads for trucks.......some say 3T, some say 5T tare and some say 5T GVM and others just show a truck with a slash thru it.....
Post by: GBC on December 03, 2017, 06:02:26 AM
Post by: gronk on December 03, 2017, 06:20:43 AM
Not in Qld. Car license is limited to 4.5 gvm. Tare has nothing to do with it. Hence why we derated the truck. Same with 6wd conversions on land cruisers, once they go past 4495 kg gvm you need a LR licence to drive one regardless of what is on the back.
Yeh, that's what I said, a lot are saying because the tare is under 4.5t, you only need a car license, but an extra ?? amount puts you over the 4.5t and makes it illegal.
But even if the tare is say 3.5t, it may be hard to know exactly what your load weighs, and your load is going to change all the time (talking a work truck ), so a lot of small trucks could be over the 4.5t GVM without the driver realising.
Post by: gordo350 on December 03, 2017, 06:32:11 AM
Post by: callmejoe on December 03, 2017, 07:36:16 AM
I thought it was based on the truck gvm. If it registered as 4495t then a car license is ok. If you have a truck license it still doesn't allow you to carry more.
You are correct.
People are mixing Gross weight with the Tare weight.
On average a truck with a GVM (Gross) would only have a TARE weight 2.5t to 3.t. This gives you anything from 2t to 1.5t payload...
Post by: Rumpig on December 03, 2017, 08:22:39 AM
Post by: nab on December 03, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
If a small sedan was towing an empty tandem car trailer rated to 2T (tare weight 600kg) but small car tow rating was 1T, can the small car tow the empty trailer? Or does the tow car need to be able to legally tow 2T?
Post by: gordo350 on December 03, 2017, 02:33:16 PM
If a cars tow limit is 1 t then it can tow 1 t as long as it doesn't exceed its gcm. It can't tow 2t under any circumstances
The car doesn't need to be rated for 2t to tow a trailer that weighs 1t
Post by: GBC on December 03, 2017, 03:42:37 PM
Post by: #jonesy on December 04, 2017, 05:24:32 AM
I thought it was based on the truck gvm. If it registered as 4495t then a car license is ok. If you have a truck license it still doesn't allow you to carry more.
As said already it is on GVM a max of 4.5t. Which is the maximum it is allowed to weigh, and not what it weighs at the time. So an empty truck weighing 4.4t CANNOT be driven on a car licence if it's GVM is 6t
Trailer limits is a whole other story and relates to the actual weight of the trailer
Post by: BBull on December 04, 2017, 12:48:47 PM
Post by: gronk on December 04, 2017, 06:29:07 PM
So an empty truck weighing 4.4t CANNOT be driven on a car licence if it's GVM is 6t
You're right, BUT, if a truck has a plate with 4.4T GVM, ( just like the truck I drive ) how do you know it's under 4.4T when fully loaded ? Without knowing the tare, how do you keep under the GVM ?
Post by: gordo350 on December 04, 2017, 07:15:23 PM
Post by: gronk on December 04, 2017, 07:22:46 PM
The tare is on the plate too. Subtract that from the gvm. Thats your payload max
Had a look today, couldn't see a tare on the plate ! I'll have another look tomorrow !
Looking a few sites, and truck tare seems to be bare chassis, so to arrive at GVM, you add the body ( be it pantech, tray, tipper etc ) plus the load ( including passengers of course ), so not as easy as it seems ?
Post by: gordo350 on December 04, 2017, 08:19:21 PM
Post by: Paddler Ed on December 04, 2017, 08:32:38 PM
Had a look today, couldn't see a tare on the plate ! I'll have another look tomorrow !
Looking a few sites, and truck tare seems to be bare chassis, so to arrive at GVM, you add the body ( be it pantech, tray, tipper etc ) plus the load ( including passengers of course ), so not as easy as it seems ?
If it's NSW rego, put the rego into the NSW Rego checker (https://my.service.nsw.gov.au/MyServiceNSW/index#/rms/freeRegoCheck/details) and you'll get the Tare weight and the GVM - for my Land Cruiser it's recorded as 1960kg and 3040kg respectively, whilst my 4Runner is 1,720 kg and 2,520 kg... however, I think it's nearer 2000kg unladen, but that does include me (100kg) and some metal work and slightly bigger wheels and tyres (31x10.5R15 vs 205R16).
Post by: gronk on December 04, 2017, 08:38:09 PM
It used to be on the rego sticker but soms of us dont get them anymore. Will definitely be on the rego papers as it would've had to of had a weigh bridge ticket when presented for inspection
Ha, might be a bit suss asking the boss for a look at the rego papers !!
Small trucks under 4.5T GVM don't need a weigh bridge ticket for rego.
Post by: Paddler Ed on December 04, 2017, 09:43:21 PM
Ha, might be a bit suss asking the boss for a look at the rego papers !!
Small trucks under 4.5T GVM don't need a weigh bridge ticket for rego.
They do for first registrations or blue slip though... just like a tray back ute does.
Post by: gordo350 on December 05, 2017, 05:58:40 AM
Post by: r0bl on December 05, 2017, 06:41:28 AM
http://intertradeholdings.com.au/towsafe-caravan-and-vehicle-weight-control-platform-scales.html (http://intertradeholdings.com.au/towsafe-caravan-and-vehicle-weight-control-platform-scales.html)
Post by: Bird on December 05, 2017, 08:11:02 AM
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If you are driving a truck for a living then it's your responsibility to know the weights. If you are overloaded you will get the fine. Go to a weigh bridge and find outAGREE! Even the blokes at the weighbridge can tell you or help you with limits.
Also up to you to know your heights... When I worked at Chemtrans, the boss used to scream that I was stalling in the yard cause I dug out my tape measure to measure height and length of the unit for that day.
It wasn't so bad once you had 'your own' prime mover, but when you were chopping and changing it was always different. Specially when doing hazmat.
Then it was straight to the weighbridge at the front gate for all weights.
Then I was happy to leave the yard - total time "stalling" 20 minutes.
Post by: Johnnos3003 on December 05, 2017, 09:49:14 AM
I guess these will start to become a essential accessory ..
http://intertradeholdings.com.au/towsafe-caravan-and-vehicle-weight-control-platform-scales.html (http://intertradeholdings.com.au/towsafe-caravan-and-vehicle-weight-control-platform-scales.html)
they are cheap, lot cheaper than I would have thought
Post by: Fizzie on December 05, 2017, 09:55:34 AM
I guess these will start to become a essential accessory ..
http://intertradeholdings.com.au/towsafe-caravan-and-vehicle-weight-control-platform-scales.html (http://intertradeholdings.com.au/towsafe-caravan-and-vehicle-weight-control-platform-scales.html)
But wouldn't you need 2 of them (or = the number of tyres) at once?
Post by: r0bl on December 05, 2017, 10:04:19 AM
But wouldn't you need 2 of them (or = the number of tyres) at once?
You just do each wheel then add it up. For vans/trailers each wheel and towball weight, usually via jockey wheel. And I noticed you can get a "REICH Caravan Weight Control" scale for around $300.. but it does have mixed reviews on Amazon..
- Rob
Post by: Bird on December 05, 2017, 10:36:38 AM
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they are cheap, lot cheaper than I would have thought
still 470 for something you'll use once and chuck in cobweb corner in the shed is a waste of cabbage.
Post by: gronk on December 05, 2017, 07:57:14 PM
If you are driving a truck for a living then it's your responsibility to know the weights. If you are overloaded you will get the fine. Go to a weigh bridge and find out
In my case, I cart around small loads......biggest load would be approx 1 ton.
Post by: Brij on December 09, 2017, 08:48:00 PM
You're right, BUT, if a truck has a plate with 4.4T GVM, ( just like the truck I drive ) how do you know it's under 4.4T when fully loaded ? Without knowing the tare, how do you keep under the GVM ?
Same way you keep your 200 and camper under their respective mass limits. :angel:
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on December 09, 2017, 10:25:30 PM
You have 'buckleys of knowing what the Tare is unless your holding the Rego papers.
Unless you have it sitting on a weighbridge empty.
Post by: BBull on December 10, 2017, 08:14:48 AM
Same way you keep your 200 and camper under their respective mass limits. :angel:Keeping a 200 and camper under. What do you mean?
Is there a way of doing this
Post by: MadMarv on December 10, 2017, 06:28:49 PM
Ha, might be a bit suss asking the boss for a look at the rego papers !!
Small trucks under 4.5T GVM don't need a weigh bridge ticket for rego.
Rego papers arnt always right ..... vic roads says for a heavy ridgid truck max weight for a leaf spring suspension is 22.5 ton but on the rego sticker it states max vehicle weight 28 ton .... truck is a i guess a 15 year old scania heavy ridged .... you have to actually know what your state says is legal
Its easy to get weights checked ..... look up public weighbridges .... also Tips weigh trucks in so you could also use one off those places too
Post by: gronk on December 10, 2017, 06:45:36 PM
Same way you keep your 200 and camper under their respective mass limits. :angel:
I don't......care that is !! ;D Have a bullbar and winch, carry almost nothing and towball weight is 140kg..
It's something I don't really think about !! ;D
Post by: GGV8Cruza on December 11, 2017, 08:56:24 AM
Keeping a 200 and camper under. What do you mean?
Is there a way of doing this
Yes there is, clever planning and a GVM upgrade. Although at a guess 95% of owners do not have any idea of the weight of there set up or decide to let it just fade away and not worry
GG
Post by: Charlie Brown on December 11, 2017, 11:08:20 AM
Post by: BBull on December 11, 2017, 11:24:40 AM
Yes there is, clever planning and a GVM upgrade. Although at a guess 95% of owners do not have any idea of the weight of there set up or decide to let it just fade away and not worryWhat is this GVM upgrade you speak about?
GG
Post by: Bird on December 11, 2017, 11:36:31 AM
What is this GVM upgrade you speak about?Have a look through his, or swannies or most 200 series build threads
Post by: BBull on December 11, 2017, 11:49:34 AM
Have a look through his, or swannies or most 200 series build threadsIt’s ok I have polyairs in the back of the cruiser so I can carry as much weight as I want.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on December 11, 2017, 01:21:23 PM
What is this GVM upgrade you speak about?
https://www.lovellsauto.com.au/product12d.php (https://www.lovellsauto.com.au/product12d.php)
I have this upgrade, if you are towing anything of significant weight and also have a bullbar and winch fitted you need to get your car up to the 3800kg class.
GG
Post by: gronk on December 11, 2017, 04:23:10 PM
https://www.lovellsauto.com.au/product12d.php (https://www.lovellsauto.com.au/product12d.php)
I have this upgrade, if you are towing anything of significant weight and also have a bullbar and winch fitted you need to get your car up to the 3800kg class.
GG
And while the GVM upgrade is a good thing, especially if you want to stay legal, putting in X branded springs and shocks doesn't really make the 4wd any safer in regards to towing, unless of course the heavier springs help with a heavy van.
You can put on identical suspension and NOT have it engineered, and it will perform exactly the same.....but of course not be legal if you're over the GVM.
Post by: BBull on December 11, 2017, 05:25:38 PM
Post by: rags on December 11, 2017, 06:48:44 PM
Been several recent accidents involving caravan rollovers north of Brisbane. Most, maybe all, have been 200 series LCs. Maybe overloaded tugs are to blame?
Broad sweeping statement, not sure if statistics back up this.
Clayton's towing post on Facebook the van accidents they attend to, the last couple of posts i have seen have been 100 series.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Claytonstowing/posts/?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/pg/Claytonstowing/posts/?ref=page_internal)
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on December 11, 2017, 07:00:32 PM
I’ve also turned my tow hitch upside down to reduce the tow all weight so I should be legal.
How does that work Pls.?
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Post by: Black Diamond on December 11, 2017, 08:05:28 PM
Something smells of dot paintings hereLmao :cup:
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Post by: macca on December 12, 2017, 09:04:53 AM
Why do trolls pretend to be dumbarsesYou have to ask that question?
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Post by: Charlie Brown on December 12, 2017, 10:02:12 AM
I’ve also turned my tow hitch upside down to reduce the tow all weight so I should be legal.
I’ve also painted my to recovery points red as well so now they are rated. The bloke at ARB didn’t agree with me but I still think he is wrong.
There seem to be a few Sheldons on here ;D ;D ;D
Don’t worry, some of us are both nice AND understand sarcasm :cheers:
Post by: Bird on December 12, 2017, 10:07:03 AM
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Why do trolls pretend to be dumbarsespretend?
Runny picked it days ago LMAO
funniest part is he keeps throwing the line out to the fish in the barrel and hasn't had a bite yet LMAO
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Post by: BBull on December 12, 2017, 11:22:04 AM
Post by: macca on December 12, 2017, 11:45:27 AM
There seem to be a few Sheldons on here ;D ;D ;D... and some of us have been around awhile and know how its gunna end
Don’t worry, some of us are both nice AND understand sarcasm :cheers:
Sheldon
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Post by: Bird on December 12, 2017, 12:25:55 PM
... and some of us have been around awhile and know how its gunna end:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Sheldon
Post by: macca on December 12, 2017, 01:32:59 PM
What’s a troll?A 4wd made by Nissan
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Post by: briann532 on December 12, 2017, 06:08:54 PM
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Yep...........................
But it's till funny to watch. ;D