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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: alnjan on November 01, 2017, 10:37:10 AM
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/permanent-ban-on-climbing-uluru-to-be-considered/news-story/bb0759a14cd3e0a27d9a63a040150b3e (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/permanent-ban-on-climbing-uluru-to-be-considered/news-story/bb0759a14cd3e0a27d9a63a040150b3e)
Trying to find confirmation but allegedly they have voted to ban climbing the rock.
Shame for those that haven't made it to the rock yet and did wish to have the option to climb.
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They are voting at some stage of today, I havent seen the outcome yet?
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Decision due by midday from what I read
KB
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far out....
am glad i did it
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So you have signs saying
“Under our traditional law, climbing is not permitted,”
Why do you think tourists who don't speak engrish don't climb it ??? Also having it open/closed when it suits doesn't help..
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That’s a shame.......I climbed it was back in the late 90’s
The original land owners constantly ask (which I have no problem with) and I reckon the nation is doing a reasonable job at giving.
It seems to be only one way.
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Glad I climbed it years ago then, can't say I personally have an interest in going back if you can't climb it....walking around it didn't give me any special spiritual feelings that other visitors say they get from the place.
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I'm pretty cranky with this. I'm planning a trip to the centre in a few years and was looking forward to climbing it as one of the highlights of the trip.
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So you have signs saying
“Under our traditional law, climbing is not permitted,”
Why do you think tourists who don't speak engrish don't climb it ??? Also having it open/closed when it suits doesn't help..
I saw that sign a few years ago when i was there, out of respect for their wishes i chose not to. I enjoyed just being there
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What confuses me is that as Bird said "Under our traditional laws, climbing is not permitted" but didn't the Aborigines used to climb it and have ceremonies up there??
So ok for them but not us?
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Im ok either way to be honest.
Ive been there a couple of times and each occasion I didnt climb it. I wouldnt even if it is encouraged. Over 30 people have fallen off the thing and died...I didnt want to be one of them ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJuXIq7OazQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJuXIq7OazQ) Mabo
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What a coincidence that we are here at Yulara. Went on a tour with a ranger yesterday. I learnt lots of interesting things. I lived in NT for 30 years and climbed it many years ago but so many things I never knew. The aborigines never used to climb it, it was just part of their dream time stories. I personally liked the way they discourage the climbing but still allowed it. Hope they don't close it as we all know when things get ruled out that's when all the anger comes out. The rangers indicated the climb was only closed in extreme heat and windy conditions. They do monitor during the day and open it when they can.
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You have 2 years to climb it if your that way inclined....not closed yet.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/climb-may-be-banned-today/news-story/1302b4d486684c8a05fdbddb376228ff (http://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/climb-may-be-banned-today/news-story/1302b4d486684c8a05fdbddb376228ff)
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I'm pretty cranky with this. I'm planning a trip to the centre in a few years and was looking forward to climbing it as one of the highlights of the trip.
Chances are it would have been closed due to heat or wind or whatever anyhow, it was last time I took my family there, and it was a nice cool overcast day with little to no wind about...no idea why it was closed really.
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https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/do/we-dont-climb.html (https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/do/we-dont-climb.html)
This is the current info, closing the climb has been on the cards for close on 20 years. The long term agreement has been rangers will assess the weather and conditions every day before the park opens, and threat of heat/rain and a few other things mean it will be closed. The numbers climbing are monitored, and the agreement has been that it will be reviewed and when numbers drop below 20% it may be closed permanently.
I've visited plenty of times in the last 9 years living in Central Australia, and have had a ball doing so many other things besides climbing it.
Mt Sonder and Mt Zeal are great mountains to climb in NT, if climbing thing's is what you like.
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Have visited 3 times, even got married there. Rode a bike around it but really had no interest in climbing it.
Mark
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I first visited Ayers Rock in '75. As soon as we stopped, a group of TLO's appeared and took us on a guided tour for the entire day. Cost us I think 20c. For a further 10c we got corroboree sticks n boomerangs decorated with burns from fencing wire heated up in a fire.
The tour included a walk to the top and around - women one way, men the other due to certain sacred sites. This included visiting some of these sacred sites.
We were told that there are several "elevated" sacred sites as well!!
These TLO's didn't object to climbers, nor when I returned in '82 when I tracked one of the original crew from '75 in Alice.
What changed??.........methinks the green's mentality of shutting everything down to "protect" it by pissing in the pockets of pollies down thru the rangers to the current TLO's whom I'm lead to believe are not the same mob from previous as they were ousted when there was money starting to enter the picture.
The same Shite is going on with the Canning and other venues where funds are involved. The canning in now broken up into 3 TLO's whereas originally it was only 1 mob.
Read into that what you will, but as usual, we are all getting the wool pulled over our eyes and broken glass in the Vaseline.
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How unusual, Put up signs everywhere Imploring people not to climb and low and behold numbers of people wanting to climb drop to a magic 20% cut off point ;D
Would be interesting to see what the percentage of visitors who climbed would have been like today, if Rangers didnt close the climb at any given period and no signs begging you not too compared to the stated 75 % of visitors earlier .. nBut then again people are fatter and lazier these days .
Who can see a $$$$ to climb next maybe, on a specialy guided cultural tour experience of course.
Good luck to em ..
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Chances are it would have been closed due to heat or wind or whatever anyhow, it was last time I took my family there, and it was a nice cool overcast day with little to no wind about...no idea why it was closed really.
I have heard this sort of Shit regularly too.. few members of our club went there and it couldn't have been better weather - sunny, mid 20's no rain on the horizon etc ... CLOSED
Edit: add to it "national park management also revealed the climb was closed 77.3 per cent of the time due to dangerous weather or cultural reasons. "
FWIW I'm not driving that far to pay exorbitant prices for everything around the place not to climb it... For me its the reason to go.. theres plenty of photos of the rock around the interwebs..
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Dont really care
I got far more satisfaction photographing the rock at dawn and seeing it change before my eyes than trying to climb it with a 100 other tourists of various fitness levels that i got stuck behind
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to be closed in 2019 - I hope they don't just "close" it until then. As mentioned, a big factor in going out there. I've wanted to climb it for as long as I can remember.
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Go to WA and Climb Mt Augustus.. the worlds largest monocline :)
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We did the center trip in 1996 from SA to the NT, we climbed it then, We did the gorges and other things but it was the Rock and the flight over it and the Olgers that made the trip for us, Was looking forward to taking my kids out the climb it, What a load a rubbish, Not worth driving out there if you can climb it, Oh well somewhere else will get our money. Craig
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I am with the folks that chose not to climb it, the 3 times we have been there. I was chuffed just to be near it. The first time we were there we went out to watch the sunset with heaps of others. It was more like a carnival with people setting up tables with their food, grog and chairs, wasn't a spare parking spot to be had, and all were having a blast. It was a real memory maker. Last 2 times we went out to have another look and b*gger all people showed up and it wasn't as exciting.
On the first trip the aborigines where telling us the reason they're requesting people not to climb it was that they felt responsible for mishaps that occurred to those that climbed. We thought fair enough, although others in our group still went up. It is just a personal decision.
We also walked around it in the heat and I wasn't greatly impressed. Anything that was anywhere near interesting was a no photography area due to being a sacred site, which cheesed me off.
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I have heard this sort of Shit regularly too.. few members of our club went there and it couldn't have been better weather - sunny, mid 20's no rain on the horizon etc ... CLOSED
The climb assessment is a stressful tasks for most rangers, they need to make an assessment based on BOM information and measurements taken on the ground, at the climb. They are trying to balance the safety aspects with the knowledge that if they get it wrong (and even if they get it right) they and their colleagues are likely to get an earful from those that feel hard done by when the climb is closed.
It is re-assessed a number of times during the day. As it takes several hours to complete you cant just flick a switch, open/closed. If you make it open the conditions need to be safe and stable for 3-4 hours, so people can get up and back safely. Of course even when conditions are good there are accidents, and rescue operations take time and have safety risks........
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If a mob of black fellas arrived in all the capital cities in Australia and abseiled the various cathedrals, there’d be hell to pay because of their heathen disrespect to white Australia’s religious monuments.
So why can’t white Australia reselect black fella sensibilities.
I’m an atheist and have visited the Rock on numerous occasions. I’d have liked to climb it but respectfully chose not to do so.
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Not from me I am Atheist also let them climb them, if they want to walk over my old man grave there welcome to hes dead hes not going to wake up, The rock has been climbed for many years it was blowing 30knots the day I climbed it no worries at all, Craig
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There will always be divided opinons about the decision.
Also I always find the " Its my country I have the right to go anywhere I like" attitude quite amusing ;D
Mark
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Not At all, if the Rock had never been climbed at all, I could understand, You watch a tourist company will get the exclusive contract and for $200 up they will go, Craig
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I have never had the want nor the need to climb it , I have seen the top many times from the air . Dont need to climb up to see something that I have already seen
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On the first trip the aborigines where telling us the reason they're requesting people not to climb it was that they felt responsible for mishaps that occurred to those that climbed. We thought fair enough, although others in our group still went up. It is just a personal decision.
We also walked around it in the heat and I wasn't greatly impressed. Anything that was anywhere near interesting was a no photography area due to being a sacred site, which cheesed me off.
With the passing of a few generations, a bit hard to tell what the "true" story is behind this sort of decision ?
But seeing as "we" gave it to them, we can't really complain.
Will this result in a sharp drop in tourist dollars ?? Who knows, but how much of the tourist dollar goes to the local tribe(s) anyway ?
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Will this result in a sharp drop in tourist dollars ?? Who knows, but how much of the tourist dollar goes to the local tribe(s) anyway ?
We were having that discussion at work today... Apparently over 90% ends up with the TLO's, with the taxpayer, errr government posting for most of the infrastructure works in these areas.
I've climbed the rock, and intend to again if it's going to be closed. Hopefully my kids will get that opportunity as well before another Aussie icon is locked away from pie eating Aussies
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At least they never bombed it....
Does anyone remember that crazy artist who made an application in the 70's to repeatedly fly over it - and bomb it with 20ltr tins of fluro paint....?
Groovy baby!!
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Bugger em, I wont climb it ! thats too much hard work, Reckon I'll just fly in and take a walk around instead ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCYSWyHDpfU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCYSWyHDpfU)
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If the final plan is to close it in 2019, I'll be sure to take my kids out there before then and climb it with them, even if it means staying there a few days until the climb is opened. If others don't want to climb it then it's no big deal to me, they are entitled to do what they like, but whilst it's a legal thing to do I'll be happy to do it, regardless of others trying to make me feel guilty for doing something that is legal to do.
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Not At all, if the Rock had never been climbed at all, I could understand, You watch a tourist company will get the exclusive contract and for $200 up they will go, Craig
A bit like the Sydney Harbour bridge, although a tour company has the rights to hosting tours , you can climb it 365 days a year day or night on the Shitty of days including with fireworks going off around you.
Im glad I climbed it when I did.
I guess this way the locals will nolonger have to get off their backside to put the closed today sign up.they can now sit under the tree all day without introduction.
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There will always be divided opinons about the decision.
Also I always find the " Its my country I have the right to go anywhere I like" attitude quite amusing ;D
Mark
Bit like the .."we will shut the roads to anyone when we feel like it" or the..."we will shut the stores down by putting a curse on it"....see it many times in the NT....I dont find it amusing though. Worked in the Ayres Rock area plenty of times but never had a need to climb . Whole tourism scene around the place is a bloody rip-off.
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Bit like the .."we will shut the roads to anyone when we feel like it" or the..."we will shut the stores down by putting a curse on it"....see it many times in the NT....I dont find it amusing though. Worked in the Ayres Rock area plenty of times but never had a need to climb . Whole tourism scene around the place is a bloody rip-off.
My comment was aimed at non indigenous people who say that. The biggest rip off is the northern land council who take a large percentage of any income from the indigenous. I am happy to pay to visit places no matter who owns it.
If Uluru was on land owned by non indigenous people I wonder if peoples opinons would change.
Mark
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We were having that discussion at work today... Apparently over 90% ends up with the TLO's, with the taxpayer, errr government posting for most of the infrastructure works in these areas.
If it goes to the Land Owners or will the different other Aboriginal bodies, Land Councils etc take most of any monies raised.
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l have done the Ayres Rock thing , its a big pebble in the middle of nowhere .
Over Hyped /Overpriced & out there . Also its a long way from home .
l drove & walked about a bit & was Totally underwhelmed with it all .
lt must have been big when it was discovered back in the day ,,,,,,now .
lf it floats your boat , more power to your arm .
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If Uluru was on land owned by non indigenous people I wonder if peoples opinons would change.
Mark
Good question....no idea ?
It WAS on land owned by the commonwealth, until we gave it to them. I think any logical elder would agree that we don't own places like Ayres Rock, same as no one owns the 12 Apostles or the Great Barrier Reef or Ningaloo Reef.
BUT, we gave it to them, so we can't really complain with whatever they want to do with it..
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l have done the Ayres Rock thing , its a big pebble in the middle of nowhere .
Over Hyped /Overpriced & out there . Also its a long way from home .
l drove & walked about a bit & was Totally underwhelmed with it all .
lt must have been big when it was discovered back in the day ,,,,,,now .
lf it floats your boat , more power to your arm .
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Ha ha.....been there twice...couldn't climb it because of a fear of heights, but each time I was blown away from the sheer majesty of the thing !! It really is one of the wonders of the world !!
If I wasn't afraid of heights, I woulda been up it like a rat up a drain pipe !!
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Gronk Your a bit big to do the , Rat Up A Drain pipe Thing . :cheers:
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Good question....no idea ?
It WAS on land owned by the commonwealth, until we gave it to them. I think any logical elder would agree that we don't own places like Ayres Rock, same as no one owns the 12 Apostles or the Great Barrier Reef or Ningaloo Reef.
BUT, we gave it to them, so we can't really complain with whatever they want to do with it..
It was only on land owned by the commonwealth because the commonwealth deemed the Aboriginals to be non-citizens of their own country. And of course the poms “stole the place” in 1770.
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Probably a good thing then the Spanish, Dutch and all the others that hit the rough end of the pineapple first, thought the place wasnt worth a cracker to have Huh ! ..
Anyone remember the Mayans , Aztecs and Inca's, and we all know how well that ended for the locals ..
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If the final plan is to close it in 2019, I'll be sure to take my kids out there before then and climb it with them...
Same. Climbed it close to 20yrs ago. Kids were a bit too young when we visited it in 2015, but time to plan the mid 2019 trip.
What's next? Ubirr? Kakadu? Fraser island?
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Same. Climbed it close to 20yrs ago. Kids were a bit too young when we visited it in 2015, but time to plan the mid 2019 trip.
What's next? Ubirr? Kakadu? Fraser island?
probably...luckily the kids and I have been to those already and did what we wanted to do there...lol.
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Probably a good thing then the Spanish, Dutch and all the others that hit the rough end of the pineapple first, thought the place wasnt worth a cracker to have Huh ! ..
Anyone remember the Mayans , Aztecs and Inca's, and we all know how well that ended for the locals ..
And imagine where we would be today if Japan won the war! I don't think the aboriginals (or us) would have much say on land ownership and usuage. But like we have said, every country has been invaded through history and it is still happening around the world. Move on... Kevin
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Wondering if its the old come in suckers ploy...
Numbers are down... tell everyone we are closing it... everyone turns up and spends money...
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Move on.
I'm all for that !
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Wondering if its the old come in suckers ploy...
Numbers are down... tell everyone we are closing it... everyone turns up and spends money...
if numbers are down, it's likely because so many people that want to go there and climb the rock, turn up and find it's closed yet again. I am looking at taking the kids there to climb it next year before it closes, but it's a long way to go to find out closed for climbing, just like last time we were there.
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if numbers are down, it's likely because so many people that want to go there and climb the rock, turn up and find it's closed yet again. I am looking at taking the kids there to climb it next year before it closes, but it's a long way to go to find out closed for climbing, just like last time we were there.
Much discussion at club meeting last night with the majority agreeing with you - no point going when you know chances are its closed due to a rare moth having being seen 1200klms from the site for the first time in 10,000,000,000 years
no idea why numbers are down ->>> "national park management also revealed the climb was closed 77.3 per cent of the time due to dangerous weather or cultural reasons. "
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Much discussion at club meeting last night with the majority agreeing with you - no point going when you know chances are its closed due to a rare moth having being seen 1200klms from the site for the first time in 10,000,000,000 years
no idea why numbers are down ->>> "national park management also revealed the climb was closed 77.3 per cent of the time due to dangerous weather or cultural reasons. "
So staying at the rock for 10 days should give you the opportunity to climb.
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We just returned from the rock and every day it was closed for a different reason. Heat,wind and same again. Drove out the day we were leaving with perfect conditions and yep!! It was closed. Funny they say numbers are down as a guy we spoke to said this has been one of their busiest years on record.
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We just returned from the rock and every day it was closed for a different reason. Heat,wind and same again. Drove out the day we were leaving with perfect conditions and yep!! It was closed. Funny they say numbers are down as a guy we spoke to said this has been one of their busiest years on record.
out of curiosity, how many days were you were that it was closed?
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Its a rock
There are lots of rocks around Australia.
Never been there, have no intention of ever going there, nuffink much to see
And its been photographed from every possible angle, so no need to see it.
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And its been photographed from every possible angle, so no need to see it.
may as well sell your camper then, and just google search all your holiday memories >:D ;D
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Its a rock
There are lots of rocks around Australia.
Never been there, have no intention of ever going there, nuffink much to see
And its been photographed from every possible angle, so no need to see it.
Well that says it all eh?
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may as well sell your camper then, and just google search all your holiday memories >:D ;D
That will be a HUGE saving on time ,fuel , effort & increase :cheers:time to a tolerable level or not ??? :cheers:
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Wondering if its the old come in suckers ploy...
Numbers are down... tell everyone we are closing it... everyone turns up and spends money...
??? ??? ???
What????? Are you seriously thinking that it all has something to do with money???
Shirley you can't be serious??? ;D ;D ;D
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Its a rock
There are lots of rocks around Australia.
Never been there, have no intention of ever going there, nuffink much to see
And its been photographed from every possible angle, so no need to see it.
May as well sell up all my camping gear and stay home, damn those photographers.
Cheers Glen
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??? ??? ???
What????? Are you seriously thinking that it all has something to do with money???
Shirley you can't be serious??? ;D ;D ;D
Well its closure will either be a capitalist’s or government conspiracy ;D ;D ;D ;D
KB
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Well we travelled there earlier this year.... didn't climb but 1 of our travelling companions did... and would go back just to see it again.... was magnificant ..... Cheers Tracker.
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yes
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Hi Rumpig, we were there for 4 days. Flew over it and rode around it so still very happy
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Hi Rumpig, we were there for 4 days. Flew over it and rode around it so still very happy
geez you'd think out of 4 days it'd be open atleast once...this is what worries me about doing a revisit to climb before it closes, long way to go and find the same thing ::) ::)
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geez you'd think out of 4 days it'd be open atleast once...this is what worries me about doing a revisit to climb before it closes, long way to go and find the same thing ::) ::)
Yep I hear ya! 3 days for me and I had to be content to just walk the 11Km's around the rim. Its a bloody long way. The resort is a little over priced, but I thought the camp fee's were reasonable. Mind you, that was back in 2013, so I guess inflation has taken its toll since.
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geez you'd think out of 4 days it'd be open atleast once...this is what worries me about doing a revisit to climb before it closes, long way to go and find the same thing ::) ::)
Bit hard to stay indefinitely waiting for it to be open one day