Post by: The punter on October 12, 2017, 11:30:33 AM
Post by: duggie on October 12, 2017, 11:42:16 AM
Has never failed
Post by: edz on October 12, 2017, 11:47:36 AM
Be interested to hear about this one too .
This may help http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=45670.msg773304#msg773304 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=45670.msg773304#msg773304)
Post by: Kangaron on October 12, 2017, 12:47:08 PM
Post by: The punter on October 12, 2017, 12:53:30 PM
Wouldn't do it any other way.
Thats the one, it is a half hitch?
Post by: Bird on October 12, 2017, 01:32:17 PM
Wouldn't do it any other way.also stops the canvas on the front of ours flapping as its tied to the pole
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Post by: callmejoe on October 12, 2017, 03:54:42 PM
It doesn't just hold down the pole it hangs onto the pole..
Been camping when huge winds have come throu. Awning poles went everywhere, bar ours...
Post by: edz on October 12, 2017, 04:46:20 PM
Not being a smart arse just never seen it before and interested as to why its done . TIA .
Post by: Paddy16 on October 12, 2017, 04:51:16 PM
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Post by: tryagain on October 12, 2017, 06:08:18 PM
I used to do that and now I use these pegs, no worries
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Post by: Bird on October 12, 2017, 06:23:10 PM
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/50929242/please-explain.jpg)yea paper clips wouldnt hold my Shit down
Post by: edz on October 12, 2017, 06:28:11 PM
Google found them for me, used in African countries . reckon you would need hard ground though ..
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on October 12, 2017, 06:36:11 PM
Post by: Rumpig on October 12, 2017, 06:43:14 PM
Post by: muzza01 on October 12, 2017, 08:32:18 PM
I always tie a half hitch around the pole , just below the annex canvas with the rope loop over the pole pin .
Has never failed
Yep. Same here.
Post by: duggie on October 12, 2017, 09:04:55 PM
Having never seen anyone ever use guy ropes in this fashion, can the ones that do use this style explain benefits of doing it like this please ..
Not being a smart arse just never seen it before and interested as to why its done . TIA .
I started doing it this way when my annex started flapping around after 100km per hour plus winds lifted the canvas up and popped the loops of the pole pin . Yes we do go camping during cyclone season up here in the north .
A big annex and a fairly heavy wind puts the canvas up like a big bloody balloon , heaps of stress on the rope and spring , by tying a half hitch there is no room for the canvas to start lifting at the poles .
Post by: edz on October 12, 2017, 10:06:21 PM
As far back as I can remember in our travelling as a kid 50 odd years ago, Dad had always used car tire inner tube cut into 3 or 4 inch wide strips and doubled over on all our caravan annexe / tarp ropes that hooked over decent 1/2" extra long steel pegs ..
He always said depending on the type of spring some stretched and slackened everything or the other types of Springs pulled up solid and either broke ropes or pulled pegs out or caused damage in heavy winds ... which we saw happen time and time again to others .. but the rubber kept on giving without breakage.
We went through a cyclone and some wild storms in it too over the years without damage.
I'll stick with my rubber O- Rings ..
Ta ..
Post by: Paddy16 on October 13, 2017, 06:19:55 AM
THE ANATOMY OF AN ANGLED / DOG-LEG PEG.
Hi all..
I thought it interesting to discuss what I know about the common-or-garden angled tent peg..
I posted this at the other camping place, and got some good feedback, I think it’s of value to share here at this campfire as well...
You be the judge & let me know....
At one stage in my not-too-illustrious career, I worked in the spring industry, and the company actually made tent pegs, so I kinda pinned me ears back, rolled up my sleeves, took out my notebook and learnt a wee bit
See, there is actually quite a lot going on behind this seemingly Incongruous piece of equipment that we all just hit into the ground without a second thought....
But without getting into the technicalities (which you can google if you want), just believe me with the following,
Just accept.......... Shock force is greater than a steady pulling force by something like a factor of 4 and waaaay more destructive...
From the sketch above, there are three main components to the peg... The leaver, the spring and the anchor.
THE SPRING
Why have a spring? Well the spring converts most of the damaging shock force, created by buffeting winds on the canvas, into a constant pulling force and reduces the effect of the force on the peg.
WHAT IS THIS EFFECT?
The result of shock force is that the peg compacts the ground in front of the wire, thereby increasing the hole, and the peg becomes loose and comes out of it's hole... OR... It simply yanks the peg out the ground. (When this happens, there may also be another factor, IE the length of the anchor portion is too short for the force).
So the spring is a very important mechanical component of an angled peg
Now it's quite possible that the spring can be stretched beyond it's limit of elasticity. When this happens the spring effect is of no value as it will just continue to stretch open and in-effect what you have is a solid peg...
But never fear, springs can be easily rehabilitated by pre-heating an oven to 240 deg, then putting the pegs into the oven for 1/2H then allowing them to cool off in the air...
Don't quench them. Also once the oven indicates 240, let it first go for a while... The historesis of an ovens thermostat is horrific and you need that to settle down first. The temperature is quite important in this process...
THE LEAVER
For a given wire diameter, the longer the leaver section, the softer the spring, So it stands to reason that a thicker wire, with a longer leaver will have the same effect as a thinner wire with a shorter leaver.. (Remeber this when purchasing a peg).
THE ANCHOR
First up, the shape of the peg has the outcome of transferring all the force to the point of the anchor point, which would be the deepest place in the ground... Quite nifty..
The length of the anchor portion is what matters... The longer it is the stronger the peg, but it won't help trying to hit a long thin peg in as it would just bend, so the longer it is the thicker the wire needs to be... So that's what determines the wire thickness... For all intense and purposes there are 2 factors related to the wire thickness... (1) The strength for hitting it into the ground and (2) the stiffness of the spring effect (thicker wire stiffer / thinner wire softer)
HITTING THE PEG INTO THE GROUND
This is KEY.....
Angled too much up and you lose the effect of the spring, progressively more and more until the leaver portion is at the same angle as the rope and you have a solid peg
Angled too much down and the front of the leaver comes into contact with the ground, forcing the spring portion open, which if exacerbated will actually pull the anchor portion out of the ground, and the peg is in-effective.... Play around with this ....
That's why, with the better quality pegs the hook of the peg is bent a bit upwards so that when the leaver portion is in contact with the ground it does not add to this effect.....
Post by: Paddy16 on October 13, 2017, 06:23:54 AM
Post by: Paddy16 on October 13, 2017, 06:55:24 AM
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/50929242/please-explain.jpg)Let me know if it made sense. The local equivalent looks like this(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171012/ba2446dc8bdda87577bbf6f5e857e144.jpg)
Post by: Bird on October 13, 2017, 07:30:31 AM
Quote from: doggie
Yes we do go camping during cyclone season up here in the north .
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Post by: GUEY on October 13, 2017, 07:35:35 AM
Something I did notice with the group that was using the ropes like this, if the wind was strong enough, it would actually lift the poles due to them being tied. This then caused the poles to shift, and eventually it would collapse anyway.
There was another camper a couple of sites down that were straight over the pin, and theirs was collapsing on a pretty regular basis. But, after seeing them in action and how they went about things in general, they would have been doomed even staying in a 5 star resort .
Was some of the funniest and most awkward camping I have ever see ;D
Post by: BigDog816 on October 19, 2017, 11:38:55 AM
I started doing it this way when my annex started flapping around after 100km per hour plus winds lifted the canvas up and popped the loops of the pole pin . Yes we do go camping during cyclone season up here in the north .
A big annex and a fairly heavy wind puts the canvas up like a big bloody balloon , heaps of stress on the rope and spring , by tying a half hitch there is no room for the canvas to start lifting at the poles .
What he said.
We got hit by a storm once and the wind came in under the awning and there was enough give in the spring in the peg to lift the pole a little, then came down on the angle, rope popped off the pole then the annex was up in the air. Mate who was helping me showed the half hitch on the pole and then it was solid as, just had to look out for the hail and the tree branches after that.
Post by: paceman on October 19, 2017, 12:33:54 PM
http://www.animatedknots.com/halfhitch/ (http://www.animatedknots.com/halfhitch/)
Post by: #jonesy on October 20, 2017, 05:57:57 AM
The rope comes up to the pole and is wrapped around the pole once and goes under itself and then straight up.
Bit like the red rope in the top part of this pick. The blue is the pole. (ignoring it going under the blue loop at the bottom)
Post by: paceman on October 20, 2017, 06:14:23 AM
They way I do it is simpler than that.
The rope comes up to the pole and is wrapped around the pole once and goes under itself and then straight up.
Bit like the red rope in the top part of this pick. The blue is the pole. (ignoring it going under the blue loop at the bottom)
that is more like what i do....
Post by: DrewXT on October 20, 2017, 08:11:59 AM
Might try going around the pole next time to see if there's a difference
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