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The Argentinian truck.
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Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on March 16, 2017, 11:33:07 PM
Toyota's wouldn't have known where to go unless they followed the wheel tracks already there from the Land Rovers.
As for the Hydro expansion.
For something that was considered far too expensive in the past, it's now the only answer.
And guess who's claiming all the credit.
They wouldn't have known it was possible, unless someone told them.
Post by: Alien on March 17, 2017, 12:18:25 AM
They built the last one, well after the roads where surveyed by the British bread.
Post by: Dilligara on March 17, 2017, 06:28:17 AM
Now that Land Rover doesn't have a contender.Ahem - think you will find that is where the Cruiser got its start in Australia
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Post by: Homer_Jay on March 17, 2017, 06:57:34 AM
Ahem - think you will find that is where the Cruiser got its start in Australia
Yeah, FJ40's imported by Theiss for the project.
They were so good Theiss decided to set up a Toyota dealership to sell them to the public. And so Toyota Australia was born..... the story is something like that anyway.
We think nothing of it, but the hate for the 'Japs' and anything they made would have been rife back then, as most still remembered the war.
I still remember my grandfather making a big thing of me buying my first Toyota (an FJ40)... and that was in the 90's.
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Post by: bully on March 17, 2017, 08:13:05 AM
Then it might be safe enough for an Australian buisness to drive it as long as there is a SOP risk assessment that sees the future for all hazards.
Post by: Beepa on March 17, 2017, 08:18:36 AM
Post by: KingBilly on March 17, 2017, 08:22:25 AM
They will use the cheapest piece of s#*t the contractor can find.
Oh OK, Tritons then :D
KB
Post by: doc evil on March 17, 2017, 08:38:32 AM
DILLIGAF :D
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Post by: Steffo1 on March 17, 2017, 10:17:37 AM
Yeah, FJ40's imported by Theiss for the project.
They were so good Theiss decided to set up a Toyota dealership to sell them to the public. And so Toyota Australia was born..... the story is something like that anyway.
We think nothing of it, but the hate for the 'Japs' and anything they made would have been rife back then, as most still remembered the war.
I still remember my grandfather making a big thing of me buying my first Toyota (an FJ40)... and that was in the 90's.
Sorry blokes! Toyota/Snowy Mountains Blah, blah, blah is just another Furphy to the Australian motoring sheep.
http://www.bmcexperience.com.au/bmce-issue17/snowy-land-rovers (http://www.bmcexperience.com.au/bmce-issue17/snowy-land-rovers)
Steve
Post by: Hoyks on March 17, 2017, 10:24:13 AM
Well it would have to have full ANCAP rating, full underside protection incase they drive over a star picket. Rops Fops run on water incase of a fire. Flotation device incase it falls into water and full armour incase a piece of space junk falls out of the sky.
Then it might be safe enough for an Australian buisness to drive it as long as there is a SOP risk assessment that sees the future for all hazards.
Don't know about ANCAP, space junk impact resistance and flotation, but Australian made and there is a firefighting variant, so most of the other boxes could get ticked.
(http://military-vehicle-photos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/183.jpg)
Will it go ahead though? It looks to me like they only dusted off the 20 year old plans and committed to do a feasibility study because they were guilt-ed into it by SA declaring they were doing something about power generation and storage.
It all sounds like policy on the run to me.
Post by: xcvator on March 17, 2017, 10:24:57 AM
Post by: Pete79 on March 17, 2017, 12:02:51 PM
Oh OK, Tritons then :D
KB
Bingo!! :D
Actually I realize now my first comment was wrong, all of the Mahindra's will be getting delivered to the Adarni site.
The contractors on the Snowies will be driving the new Foton utes (http://www.fotonmotors.com.au/foton/nv_overview.asp?id=1&name=Tunland+Dual+Cab).
Apparently for every cheap Chinese turbine that the government buys for the Snowies stage II the supplier will throw in a spare set of bearings and a Foton ute..... ;D :D :cheers:
Post by: briann532 on March 17, 2017, 07:06:38 PM
Bingo!! :D
Actually I realize now my first comment was wrong, all of the Mahindra's will be getting delivered to the Adarni site.
The contractors on the Snowies will be driving the new Foton utes (http://www.fotonmotors.com.au/foton/nv_overview.asp?id=1&name=Tunland+Dual+Cab).
Apparently for every cheap Chinese turbine that the government buys for the Snowies stage II the supplier will throw in a spare set of bearings and a Foton ute..... ;D :D :cheers:
I really really want to laugh, but I can't cos it's so close to the mark it's not funny!!!!!
Post by: Hairs on March 17, 2017, 07:32:11 PM
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Post by: Hairs on March 18, 2017, 06:09:03 AM
What ever is the " Cheapest " :-* :-* :-* :-* :cheers:Refer to my above post ;D
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Post by: GBC on March 18, 2017, 06:44:36 AM
Don't know about ANCAP, space junk impact resistance and flotation, but Australian made and there is a firefighting variant, so most of the other boxes could get ticked.
(http://military-vehicle-photos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/183.jpg)
Will it go ahead though? It looks to me like they only dusted off the 20 year old plans and committed to do a feasibility study because they were guilt-ed into it by SA declaring they were doing something about power generation and storage.
It all sounds like policy on the run to me.
I get rounded up by the Thales mechanics doing test runs on the Bushmasters out the back of the airport. They go much faster than they probably should. I'd like to see the 0-100 figures on one.
As for the snowy's, if its like any other civil site, the surveyors and the supervisors will drive wagons - prados/discos, and there will be hardly any other light vehicles on site. Contractor bosses drive 200 series/lexus 570. Site vehicles are whatever the boss drove 10 years ago. First ute to get bogged or roll and the unions/whs rep will make the head contractor build a freaking cable car system.
Post by: Julian Kaye on March 18, 2017, 07:27:37 AM
Nah jeeps the one, they won't be able to help 'em selves. >:D >:D >:D
Toyota's wouldn't have known where to go unless they followed the wheel tracks already there from the Land Rovers.
As for the Hydro expansion.
For something that was considered far too expensive in the past, it's now the only answer.
And guess who's claiming all the credit.
They wouldn't have known it was possible, unless someone told them.
As for the Hydro expansion. We are going to build a great big pipe to pump water uphill using electricity.......so we can let the water run downhill to make electricity........go figure that one. I guess the thought never crossed their mind to build another coal fired power station, or heaven forbid a nuclear one and produce plenty of cheap base load power for everyone.
Post by: gronk on March 18, 2017, 07:32:37 AM
I get rounded up by the Thales mechanics doing test runs on the Bushmasters out the back of the airport. They go much faster than they probably should. I'd like to see the 0-100 figures on one.
. First ute to get bogged or roll and the unions/whs rep will make the head contractor build a freaking cable car system.
Ha ha, things have changed a bit over the last 40yrs.........we no longer tolerate unsafe work practises or machinery !!
Thank your favorite union for trying to keep you alive while at work !! :cup:
All this sounds like a good plan...?.but...?. Without more dams, there isn't enough water to run all the turbines they have now, so this whole process lacks serious thought I think ?
Now, if we could only make water run uphill, we could reuse the spent water going thru the turbines? ?
Post by: MDS69 on March 18, 2017, 08:16:24 AM
Sorry blokes! Toyota/Snowy Mountains Blah, blah, blah is just another Furphy to the Australian motoring sheep.
http://www.bmcexperience.com.au/bmce-issue17/snowy-land-rovers (http://www.bmcexperience.com.au/bmce-issue17/snowy-land-rovers)
Steve
There is nothing incorrect about Homer_jay comment.
https://www.thiess.com/thiesstv/album/2746859/video/86677786 (https://www.thiess.com/thiesstv/album/2746859/video/86677786)
He didn't say Toyota were the first just that they were there and the history of the FJ in Australia.
Post by: briann532 on March 18, 2017, 10:21:17 AM
As for the Hydro expansion. We are going to build a great big pipe to pump water uphill using electricity.......so we can let the water run downhill to make electricity........go figure that one. I guess the thought never crossed their mind to build another coal fired power station, or heaven forbid a nuclear one and produce plenty of cheap base load power for everyone.
Or we could put in some solar panels anywhere in the outback. Lots of solar energy pretty much most of the day. Cheap land and cheap installs.
Chuck a few cables in and then work on some storage ideas or a similar scheme to the snowy. Pump during the day with free solar power, then turn the turbines during peak load times.
On another note, power storage is getting better and better. By the time our government does all the feasibility studies, EPA requirements and engineering (read - 28 years time) we will have much better storage availability with free generation.
Or put more lipstick on a pig and hope to win another election with stupid promises....
Post by: DrewXT on March 18, 2017, 10:32:58 AM
Come on - that's about as logical as actually using Lake Argyle for its original purpose of drought proofing the country!
As for the Hydro expansion. We are going to build a great big pipe to pump water uphill using electricity.......so we can let the water run downhill to make electricity........go figure that one. I guess the thought never crossed their mind to build another coal fired power station, or heaven forbid a nuclear one and produce plenty of cheap base load power for everyone.
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Post by: MDS69 on March 18, 2017, 11:35:17 AM
Or we could put in some solar panels anywhere in the outback. Lots of solar energy pretty much most of the day. Cheap land and cheap installs.
Chuck a few cables in and then work on some storage ideas or a similar scheme to the snowy. Pump during the day with free solar power, then turn the turbines during peak load times.
On another note, power storage is getting better and better. By the time our government does all the feasibility studies, EPA requirements and engineering (read - 28 years time) we will have much better storage availability with free generation.
Or put more lipstick on a pig and hope to win another election with stupid promises....
With the risk of getting off topic I would like to see a couple of poly pipes run from The Sydney desal plant out to Goulburn and also to the Darling River then turn the mongrel on instead of it sitting in moth balls costing $500k per day to sit idle. Sure it will cost more to have it running but the benefits to the economy would be greater wouldn't it.
You might get more people living in regional towns if there was a more reliable water supply, and just throwing it out there it might ever so slightly reduce the pressure on Sydney housing demand and prices.
Post by: gronk on March 18, 2017, 11:58:01 AM
With the risk of getting off topic I would like to see a couple of poly pipes run from The Sydney desal plant out to Goulburn and also to the Darling River then turn the mongrel on instead of it sitting in moth balls costing $500k per day to sit idle. Sure it will cost more to have it running but the benefits to the economy would be greater wouldn't it.
You might get more people living in regional towns if there was a more reliable water supply, and just throwing it out there it might ever so slightly reduce the pressure on Sydney housing demand and prices.
Sounds logical....but, the cost to run it is astronomical long term !
Was a good idea, but they hit the panic button a bit too early.
Why can't we just pump sea water inland and train the cows to drink salt water ?? ;D ;D
Post by: marvellous_matt on March 18, 2017, 12:13:12 PM
this is how the hydro in vic works, pump water off peak up the hill, let it run back down when u can sell it for more. I just doent think we have enough water to make good hydro in Aus, and more dams don't mean more water, just relocated. So its more like a complicated battery. Ive read about small scale hydo being installed in sewerage pipes, enough of them spread around could make a difference, we all need to flush pretty regularly
As for the Hydro expansion. We are going to build a great big pipe to pump water uphill using electricity.......so we can let the water run downhill to make electricity........go figure that one. I guess the thought never crossed their mind to build another coal fired power station, or heaven forbid a nuclear one and produce plenty of cheap base load power for everyone.
Post by: Steffo1 on March 18, 2017, 02:06:05 PM
Steve
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Post by: kylarama on March 18, 2017, 03:43:49 PM
Prius, and if I have to explain why ,........ 👿Tesla.
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Post by: feisty on March 18, 2017, 10:27:24 PM
And yes I have been drinking......
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Post by: ADTradie on March 19, 2017, 07:14:23 AM
http://jalopnik.com/the-ten-weirdest-french-cars-ever-made-1564236144 (http://jalopnik.com/the-ten-weirdest-french-cars-ever-made-1564236144)
Hmm, maybe the French will win the whole construction job as well?
I've loved some of your comments on this topic and can see the end result of the Sydney desal' plant fired up to pump water to the top of the Snowy's to generate hydro electricity to power the Sydney desal' plant, to pump water to the top of the Snowy's to generate hydro electricity to............etc. (Endless chasing of tails (round and round we go). What does that remind you of? Another government solution!).
I think Mazda BT50 or Ford Ranger would be the go for question, "Snowy Hydro II....which 4WD will lead the construction?" Plenty of grunt + load carrying capacity.
Post by: Julian Kaye on March 19, 2017, 07:42:51 AM
Or we could put in some solar panels anywhere in the outback. Lots of solar energy pretty much most of the day. Cheap land and cheap installs.
Chuck a few cables in and then work on some storage ideas or a similar scheme to the snowy. Pump during the day with free solar power, then turn the turbines during peak load times.
On another note, power storage is getting better and better. By the time our government does all the feasibility studies, EPA requirements and engineering (read - 28 years time) we will have much better storage availability with free generation.
Or put more lipstick on a pig and hope to win another election with stupid promises....
People have really got to get out of this notion that solar energy is free and/or cheap. Have a look at a solar panel, it's basically silicone and aluminium. It takes 15kwh of electricity to make 1kg of aluminium. That's the average daily use of a household to make the frames of probably two solar panels. Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for solar panels, I've got 20 on my roof, and battery storage will improve and become more feasible in time but, along with wind power it will never provide the underlying requirement of base-load power. The stupid part is that we have the greatest resources available for long term base load power, namely coal and uranium. If only we had the politicians with the guts and foresight to put them to use.......
Post by: briann532 on March 19, 2017, 08:06:38 AM
With the risk of getting off topic I would like to see a couple of poly pipes run from The Sydney desal plant out to Goulburn and also to the Darling River then turn the mongrel on instead of it sitting in moth balls costing $500k per day to sit idle. Sure it will cost more to have it running but the benefits to the economy would be greater wouldn't it.
You might get more people living in regional towns if there was a more reliable water supply, and just throwing it out there it might ever so slightly reduce the pressure on Sydney housing demand and prices.
Really sorry mate, but I can't understand your logic.......
How does that buy me more votes at the next election.......???
Oh sorry again, I didn't realise you were actually thinking of a feasible solution.
(tongue in cheek for anyone who wants to double check!!!)
Post by: GBC on March 19, 2017, 09:03:45 AM
People have really got to get out of this notion that solar energy is free and/or cheap. Have a look at a solar panel, it's basically silicone and aluminium. It takes 15kwh of electricity to make 1kg of aluminium. That's the average daily use of a household to make the frames of probably two solar panels. Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for solar panels, I've got 20 on my roof, and battery storage will improve and become more feasible in time but, along with wind power it will never provide the underlying requirement of base-load power. The stupid part is that we have the greatest resources available for long term base load power, namely coal and uranium. If only we had the politicians with the guts and foresight to put them to use.......
This.
Not to mention our 'storage improvements' are based on rare earth metals like lithium which is mainly mined in china using methods which are costing our planet much more than it will ever save us. But no one talks about that either.
The only places in Qld where green energy breaks even against a power grid or generators is Birdsville and Windorah.
Post by: Hoyks on March 19, 2017, 09:57:25 AM
People have really got to get out of this notion that solar energy is free and/or cheap. Have a look at a solar panel, it's basically silicone and aluminium. It takes 15kwh of electricity to make 1kg of aluminium. That's the average daily use of a household to make the frames of probably two solar panels. Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for solar panels, I've got 20 on my roof, and battery storage will improve and become more feasible in time but, along with wind power it will never provide the underlying requirement of base-load power. The stupid part is that we have the greatest resources available for long term base load power, namely coal and uranium. If only we had the politicians with the guts and foresight to put them to use.......
But solar is cheap, well, sort of.... Most of the cost is up front, rather than ongoing and we subcontract the fabrication and pollution to China. It is really 'cheapest politically' because it doesn't come with any real baggage that people can object to; it just sits on your roof and sucks up the sun, no moving parts, no noise, no smell and no leaks.
I think there are a number of issues with Australian energy policy, mainly caused by the lack of policy or leadership.
Gas: At the state level (in Qld at least) they loved the idea of coal seam gas, made laws in support of it, drilled lots of wells, built pipelines, subsidized a export plant and helped build the industry. Now international prices are so high someone bought the powerstation near Ipswich and mothballed it because they get better $$ selling its contracted gas supply overseas, rather than using it to run the station.
Now they have manufactured a gas drought and the companies want to drill more holes in places that have banned drilling so they can just supply Australia (its for your own good).
They really didn't think that one through properly. Maybe they also didn't charge enough for royalties as I hear the Japanese import duty on the gas is more than the Qld government gets in royalties... but the gas company is still turning a profit.
Coal, I don't think that is the answer either. Take a flight up the hunter valley, the land is being raped to death, will probably never recover to being productive farm land again and the river is full of salt.
There is some $$ to be made out of it, but right now we are falling over ourselves to sell it as quickly as we can, restricting the supply or up-ing resource levy will see us get more for it at least.
Nuclear, good luck getting that off the ground. Don't get me wrong, It is probably the safest per kW, but the NIMBY and hippies will be out in force just because it has nuclear in the name, regardless of reactor type.
Wind, people don't like the look of the turbines, they don't like look, the sound or the impact on their property values and suffer psychosomatic illness as a result. I'm 1/2 deaf and think they look majestic, I'm probably in the minority.
Tidal/wave power, there is a promising wave power trial being run off Fremantle, and considering that most of the Australian population is near the coast, it is something that should be looked at. Tidal power is another option that could be explored, but it would be restricted to the NW of WA where they get the good 8-9m tides, but there is also a good bit of industry up there.
Pumped hydro, I don't think is really a viable answer, unless you are going to stump up for a bunch of wind turbines, solar panels or a Nuc power plant to run the pumps and you will use more energy getting the water back up the hill than you can ever recoup. Burning coal to do it sort of puts soot all over any green credentials you were hoping to claim. It only works now because of the historic excess capacity in the system.
Selling the power distribution assets for a short term gain was also a bad idea (who couldn't see that coming ???), now you have to try and get competing interests to all work together and most are trying manipulate the market in order to get a better return.
There needs to be a diverse energy mix, not just coal and gas with some hydro. I'd like to see more recycling and bio-gas/oil production as well. SA is on the right track and a massive battery bank and a back up generator will go a long way to fixing their problems, but the federal government is hardly showing any leadership on an issue of national importance.
Post by: DrewXT on March 19, 2017, 10:54:26 AM
http://reneweconomy.com.au/sa-made-silicon-energy-storage-system-ready-close-grid-gap-23607/
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