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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: duggie on January 31, 2017, 07:10:59 PM
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What a load of bulls#!t .
Starting tomorrow (the 1st of Feb), you won’t be able to smoke in Queensland National Parks within 10 metres of in-use camp sites or public facilities like picnic tables, barbecues, shelters, toilet blocks, visitor information centres, jetties or boat ramps.
For more information about the new smoking laws you can visit the Queensland Health website (www.health.qld.gov.au/public-health/topics/atod/tobacco-laws (http://www.health.qld.gov.au/public-health/topics/atod/tobacco-laws)).
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They ( Nat park officers ) do not police the camping permit / camp site anywhere near enough . Always people camping without having a permit , so I can't see how they can police this crap.
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Are you a Smoker Duggie?
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I better make sure no one comes too close to my campfire. I might have to have some special tape to stop people coming within 10 metres of it.
Only in QLD ;D
Mark
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I think there will be certain places where they will be actve with the rule like round Springbrook, or Dandibah, but the more remote spots forget it I think
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Are you a Smoker Duggie?
Yes I am .
But my argument is that the park rangers do not police the camp permit rule up through the northern part of Queensland , how the bloody hell are they going to police this new ruling .
BTW , I am quite happy to put my camp chair 10.5 metres away form my camp site so that I could indulge in a durrie.
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NO smoking in NSW nat parks !! That means nearly everywhere !!
From 1 May 2016 the smoking ban applies to all parks, with some exceptions.
It applies to picnic areas, campgrounds, accommodations, beaches, lookouts, walking tracks, and on national park roads. The ban doesn't apply to some commercial lease or licence areas, or to private residences located within a park.
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BTW , I am quite happy to put my camp chair 10.5 metres away form my camp site so that I could indulge in a durrie.
....and I'll sit back there with ya duggie.
I've never been a smoker, but it's a silly law....
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I don't mind a durrie with an ice cold Great Northern after a nice BBQ dinner around the camp fire.
I don't think I will change, I might be a little bit naughty and rebellious and still do it anyway......
What does really sh1t me though, the entire anti smoking thing. When was the last time some one was king hit because he had one to many Winnie Blues at the pub?
Or loosing control of a vehicle, killing and innocent family on his way home from a party at 3am, because he had a durrie before he jumped in the car........
It is socially acceptable to be a piss head and make an arse of yourself, but you are labeled a complete ar5e hole if you have a smoke in a park by yourself with your morning coffee reading the paper.
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Yes I am .
I don't have a problem with that.
You are right about how, are they going to police it?
They do struggle to police many other regs.
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Being an x smoker....this law is b/chit and will never be enforced.......i say do what you normally do to the smokers..." live and let live ".....most smokers are reasonable and polite and thinking people..... just my 2 bobs worth...
Cheers Tracker.
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Qld health are the only people who can issue a infringement for smoking, that's why no one every seems to be fined. :police:
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I am a smoker. I was happy with the decision to ban smoking from inside of pubs, clubs, restaurants, shopping centres etc.
Some of these decisions are getting ridiculous why not ban smoking altogether in Austalia. Taxes on tobacco is nearly 10billion dollars a year. That is a lot of extra tax for non smokers to make up for in the budget.
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Hi All, About fire trucking time, and alcohol should be next, sick of dunken smoking ice holes leaving the cans and bottles and butts everywhere in every park I have visited, and when I go to put up a camp site we have to clean up that rubbish first, flaming disgracefull. Craig
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Doesn't seem anything more than a warm and fuzzy law to make it appear they are doing something...
They will police the Visitors Centers again to make it appear they are doing something.. but the rest pfft.
If I was a ranger I'd ask them where I would find the time to drive around 5000klm of land to police 1 bloke on the other side of the park sucking off his cancer stick.
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Ex smoker so I think we are the worst for complaining about smokers, sorry.
Yes, there is no way the poor Nat Parks people will be able to enforce the laws. The number of them has been reduced and they do not have the time and resources to manage camping now. But I totally agree with the bans. There are so many beautiful camping spots that have disgusting cigarette butts on the ground. Larger bits of rubbish at least you can pick it up, as we and others do, and dispose of, but buggered if I am going to get down and pick up cig butts.
I have found that the vast majority of travellers that smoke are very courteous and mindful of non smokers. It is just that few and then there are the locals that, as usual, ruin it for all.
I wish the authorities would do something about shopping centres and where smokers congregate just outside the entrance and within the laws. You then have to navigate through this group and the cloud of smoke. Disgusting.
But I do feel sorry for smokers and I believe it is still legal to smoke cigarettes. But it is your choice and there is certainly a lot more information about the effects of smoking now compared to years ago. Kevin
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I'm a smoker. Those that know me will attest that there will be absolutely no evidence that I was smoking. Not 1 single butt will adorn the area that I camp. I have numerous receptacles in which said butts are relinquished including one attached to my camp chair.
If some pimply unedumacated clown in a candyass ranger suit comes to tell me to remove myself from a campground that I PAID for (eg. Bribie, Morton etc) they'll cop a right edumacation on the rights of the customer (of which I am by PAYING) to adorn their over regulated and in some cases poor attempt at a camp site. Don't get me started on the campground "types" at Bribie...........either a campertrailer or tent. Nothing inbetween for vehicle based camping (RRT etc) and trying to explain to the powers that a willing to cashgrab ya that you DON'T NEED a CT site or walk 200m to a tent site that IS NO GOOD FOR A RRT.............................GGGGGRRRRRRRRRR.............
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I am a smoker. I was happy with the decision to ban smoking from inside of pubs, clubs, restaurants, shopping centres etc.
Some of these decisions are getting ridiculous why not ban smoking altogether in Austalia. Taxes on tobacco is nearly 10billion dollars a year. That is a lot of extra tax for non smokers to make up for in the budget.
Agree x1000000000
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Hi All, About fire trucking time, and alcohol should be next, sick of dunken smoking ice holes leaving the cans and bottles and butts everywhere in every park I have visited, and when I go to put up a camp site we have to clean up that rubbish first, flaming disgracefull. Craig
And to take it to the obvious conclusion, ban every other product, that the wrappers and packaging is left laying around, by the same grubs too.
That would include a lot of stuff to be banned. Sorry all you Coke drinkers, chip eaters, McDonalds Scofferes etc, etc, etc.... it's all banned. We should install some bl@@dy bollards to keep these grubs out of N.P.s I reckon.....
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I was just having a thoughtie about all this .
I have paid my fees to camp in xyz Nat Park.
Am I renting this site , by way of payment ?
If I am renting then under the Australia Tenancy Laws , I can't be banned from smoking .
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Great Idea, If they can not keep it clean they are not welcome, Craig
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Not a smoker but the missus smokes.
I think its probably more likely to be policed if someone makes a complaint from a neighbouring campsite. For example at Teewah, over Xmas, where people get packed together like Sardines. I doubt they are going to do anything to you for smoking in your own campsite if it doesn't affect someone outside the group. The exception to this would be where the camper is already causing trouble such as site not booked, fire bans broken, litter or non-secure food attracting dingos on Fraser. Give them a bit of lip and watch the ticket book come out to pile on the deserved pain.
At least I could still take the family camping with this. I can't take my family anywhere in NSW parks with their rules.
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I am a smoker. I was happy with the decision to ban smoking from inside of pubs, clubs, restaurants, shopping centres etc.
Some of these decisions are getting ridiculous why not ban smoking altogether in Austalia. Taxes on tobacco is nearly 10billion dollars a year. That is a lot of extra tax for non smokers to make up for in the budget.
That's exactly why they're not banning it.
Why would you cut off a revenue stream, even if it has a close relationship to deaths and Cancers.
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Nothing worse than copping a gob full of second hand smoke drifting into your pristine campsite full of piles of dunny paper scattered around by lazy squatters in need of a piss ;-( Even the Rangers smoke in the parks.
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That's exactly why they're not banning it.
Why would you cut off a revenue stream, even if it has a close relationship to deaths and Cancers.
Smoking costs the community about 3 times that tax income, so banning tobacco completely would actually save the government money.
http://www.health.gov.au/tobacco (http://www.health.gov.au/tobacco)
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What happens if you have a Smokey camp fire ??? should we sit 10.5m away from it ??? ???
lf Bad/Good Scott have anything to do with you wouldn't get that close to it even to chuck on another log . Dose that count Ummmmmmm ??? :cheers:
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What happens if you have a Smokey camp fire ??? should we sit 10.5m away from it ??? ???
lf Bad/Good Scott have anything to do with you wouldn't get that close to it even to chuck on another log . Dose that count Ummmmmmm ??? :cheers:
That will be next on the list, no camp fires. cheers Ron.
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That will be next on the list, no camp fires. cheers Ron.
Its already been discussed more than once for the High Country, due do dozens of ****tards leaving not just smouldering but burning campfires with a lot of wood in em...
Along Buttercup road (only ~2 klms long section) in the 1 trip years back we found 4 campsites in a row with fires still burning... Sad thing is the camps are actually on the river.. no more than 50ft from as much water as you need.
It will happen one day no doubt.
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Great Idea, If they can not keep it clean they are not welcome, Craig
Nope, just ban taking those products, or all packaged products into the NP. It's the same principal.
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Qld health are the only people who can issue a infringement for smoking, that's why no one every seems to be fined. :police:
Not quite right
Legislation and enforcement
Queensland's tobacco laws are governed by 2 sets of legislation:
Tobacco and Other Smoking Products Act 1998 (PDF, 646 KB)
Tobacco and Other Smoking Products Regulation 2010 (PDF, 318 KB)
They are primarily enforced by Queensland Health Environmental Health Officers (EHOs), who can:
issue individuals warnings and on-the-spot fines
issue businesses improvement notices, warnings and on-the-spot fines
initiate legal proceedings for breaches of the tobacco laws
respond to complaints
inspect premises
provide advice about the tobacco laws.
If you are smoking in a no-smoking zone and approached by an authorised EHO, you are required by law to provide your correct name and address to the officer. They generally do not wear a uniform, but they will show an identification card before asking any questions.
Police officers have powers to address tobacco sales to children and they alone enforce smoking bans in vehicles where children under 16 years are present. Police must observe the offence occurring in a vehicle in order to issue a fine.
Queensland Parks and Wildlife Service Rangers have powers to enforce smoking bans in Queensland National Parks.
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We should install some bl@@dy bollards to keep these grubs out of N.P.s I reckon.....
Don't worry, nat parks would love nothing better than to bollard the whole lot off. Only bush walkers and greenies allowed in !!
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Don't worry, nat parks would love nothing better than to bollard the whole lot off. Only bush walkers and greenies allowed in !!
exactly, many years ago I was in a 4wd club and we were involved with the Tom Quilty endurance rides helping out with communications and they tried hard to get of rid this. Don,t hear of it any more. cheers Ron.
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Can people still afford to smoke?
What does a packet cost these days?
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Hi Troppy, I do not care what people smoke or drink or eat in there own camp, just keep away from my camp and clean there crap before they leave, its not hard, Craig
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Can people still afford to smoke?
What does a packet cost these days?
:cheers:
$75 a week for a pouch, filters and tallyho's. Tailor made I'd be looking at $150 a week.
Leave the smokers alone, and ban the whingy whiney lot from the parks instead.
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I'll try again... Had a post written yesterday, hot the wrong button and lost it all...
Couple of things to think about:
1) Legislation is needed to deal with idiots who don't know that dropping fag butts isn't acceptable - unlike you guys who collect them up etc and don't leave them lying.
2) Society is shifting away from smoking, much as they did from drink driving or not wearing seat belts.
3) Younger people don't seem to be smoking as much, it really is a dying habit. I only know of a couple of smokers under 45, and certainly around university I only see international students from SE Asia smoking; 20 years ago I knew a couple of smokers in the student body.
Combined these force the hands of those decision makers who come up with these ideas
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I posted this elsewhere recently.
Minority groups are those that get pandered to. Soon enough smokers will be a huge minority, therefore expect all of the smoking laws to be overturned in the future. :angel:
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I have paid my fees to camp in xyz Nat Park.
Am I renting this site , by way of payment ?
If I am renting then under the Australia Tenancy Laws , I can't be banned from smoking .
Duggie, not arguing just asking :D
Can't the landlord / owner specify "No smoking" in the rental agreement?
Even the Rangers smoke in the parks.
I know a number of years ago, when the laws came out to ban smoking in all Fed Govt buildings etc, they then had to put an amendment through to allow smoking in Military Training Areas as, by the law, no-one was allowed to smoke while one Exercise. Maybe they thought that asking a bloke with a rifle to go cold-turkey was a bad idea :D
3) Younger people don't seem to be smoking as much, it really is a dying habit. I only know of a couple of smokers under 45,
Same, but the younger people I know that smoke are virtually all girls ???
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I was just having a thoughtie about all this .
I have paid my fees to camp in xyz Nat Park.
Am I renting this site , by way of payment ?
If I am renting then under the Australia Tenancy Laws , I can't be banned from smoking .
Two points re that argument.
Firstly, you might want to recheck tenancy laws. Landlords can and do impose restrictions on tenants doing things in their properties which could damage or devalue them. They can, and do have restrictions on tenants smoking in their properties. The deal is, if you as a tenant don't want to abide by the landlord's no smoking conditions, you don't get to rent the property.
Secondly, tenancy laws don't apply to camping permits in National Parks.
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And to take it to the obvious conclusion, ban every other product, that the wrappers and packaging is left laying around, by the same grubs too.
That would include a lot of stuff to be banned. Sorry all you Coke drinkers, chip eaters, McDonalds Scofferes etc, etc, etc.... it's all banned. We should install some bl@@dy bollards to keep these grubs out of N.P.s I reckon.....
The problem with that argument is that a cigarette butt is way more likely to be dropped than a lolly wrapper or a coke can. Whilst some smokers don't just drop butts on the ground, many, many, do. I've seen and known a lot of smokers who wouldn't dream of dropping any other sort of rubbish on the ground, but routinely and thoughtlessly drop a butt and stand on it, and then happily walk away.
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Don't worry, nat parks would love nothing better than to bollard the whole lot off. Only bush walkers and greenies allowed in !!
Yep, I was actually thinking that as I typed it.
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Hi Troppy, I do not care what people smoke or drink or eat in there own camp, just keep away from my camp and clean there crap before they leave, its not hard, Craig
That's fair Kraig, just don't idle your diesel near mine. >:D
And, to add to what you are saying, basically stop grubs being grubs, not ban smoking because you perceive all smokers to be grubs? To be honest, the worst grubs are the ones who leave mounds of empty stubbies at the camp site, or even worse, leave the shattered pieces in the remains of the fire. I'd definitely be agreeable to the complete ban on glass packaging in NPs as well, if I thought it would make grubs stop being grubs. But guess what, it won't.
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The problem with that argument is that a cigarette butt is way more likely to be dropped than a lolly wrapper or a coke can. Whilst some smokers don't just drop butts on the ground, many, many, do. I've seen and known a lot of smokers who wouldn't dream of dropping any other sort of rubbish on the ground, but routinely and thoughtlessly drop a butt and stand on it, and then happily walk away.
A valid point, but if you consider the percentage of smokers these days, and the fact that most are very aware of the way the rest of society tries to demonise them, which makes most of them very aware that it is unacceptable, I think the pollution aspect isn't the reason for the ban. There's way more other crap than cigarette butts left laying around the place. I would say the ban is more to do with the risk of starting a bush fire with a carelessly discarded ciggy butt.
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I think the pollution aspect isn't the reason for the ban. There's way more other crap than cigarette butts left laying around the place. I would say the ban is more to do with the risk of starting a bush fire with a carelessly discarded ciggy butt.
I think you are spot on there.
I reckon it's also related to the 2nd hand smoke issue which is the main driver behind restrictions on smoking in other public spaces.
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TRUMP wouldn’t stand for this crap, stand up for your rights Duggie, go to your MP and complain.
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We always send the kids out on an emu parade when we're doing the final bit of packing after a camping trip. They generally fill a shopping bag of normal plastic waste (bottle tops, chip bags, plastic shopping bags ;), etc).
Our last trip to Straddie they collected 2 big handfuls of ciggie butts. We hate them touching these things, but they insist that those stinking little things kill just as much wild life as plastic bags.
I'm an ex-smoker my self (pumped down about 20 of those cancer sticks a day for nearly 20 years) and I get pissed off with myself when I think about how many hundreds and hundreds of butts I've shoved in the sand over many years of doing a surf checks in the morning. If today me saw yesterday me doing those things I would kick my own ass. :)
FWIW, I think this will only be unforced in metro parks and popular picnic areas. Bush sites won't be enforced for a very long time.
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TRUMP wouldn’t stand for this crap, stand up for your rights Duggie, go to your MP and complain
Stirrer
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Two points re that argument.
Firstly, you might want to recheck tenancy laws. Landlords can and do impose restrictions on tenants doing things in their properties which could damage or devalue them. They can, and do have restrictions on tenants smoking in their properties. The deal is, if you as a tenant don't want to abide by the landlord's no smoking conditions, you don't get to rent the property.
Secondly, tenancy laws don't apply to camping permits in National Parks.
Your tenant's right to smoke
Smoking is one characteristic of a tenant you can be slightly choosy about, but be careful you are not breaking any of the anti-discriminatory laws in your tenant vetting process.
Tenants are protected from discrimination under state and federal laws, which say that no one may be barred from a rental property on the basis of race, sex, ability, marital status, age, sexual orientation or sexual preference.
However, landlords do have the right to reject a rental application on the basis of potential damage. Anything that may negatively impact the value of your investment, such as scratches on the floors from pets or the smell of tobacco smoke, are legally sound reasons to give for rejecting a tenant's application.
It's a good idea to advertise your property as smoking or non-smoking to focus your applicant pool and avoid having to turn down too many would-be tenants.
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Your tenant's right to smoke
Smoking is one characteristic of a tenant you can be slightly choosy about, but be careful you are not breaking any of the anti-discriminatory laws in your tenant vetting process.
Tenants are protected from discrimination under state and federal laws, which say that no one may be barred from a rental property on the basis of race, sex, ability, marital status, age, sexual orientation or sexual preference.
However, landlords do have the right to reject a rental application on the basis of potential damage. Anything that may negatively impact the value of your investment, such as scratches on the floors from pets or the smell of tobacco smoke, are legally sound reasons to give for rejecting a tenant's application.
It's a good idea to advertise your property as smoking or non-smoking to focus your applicant pool and avoid having to turn down too many would-be tenants.
Smokers are not a protected legal class and smoking is not a right, so most of the laws don’t stop a landlord from implementing regulations and restrictions about smoking.
As long as the smoking restrictions are included in the lease agreement, most states will back up the landlord’s rights to create a smoke-free environment at the rental property. Generally, you can establish the conditions on where and if a tenant can smoke. The strictness of the restrictions is up to you.
https://www.rentprep.com/tenant-screening-news/landlords-ban-smoking-rental-property/ (https://www.rentprep.com/tenant-screening-news/landlords-ban-smoking-rental-property/)
No different to the approach taken by the National Parks I guess. Whether you pay or not to enter the park is irrelevant - it doesn't give you the right to do as you please. Everyone has a choice, and if they don't like the conditions of entry....
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Your tenant's right to smoke
Smoking is one characteristic of a tenant you can be slightly choosy about, but be careful you are not breaking any of the anti-discriminatory laws in your tenant vetting process.
Tenants are protected from discrimination under state and federal laws, which say that no one may be barred from a rental property on the basis of race, sex, ability, marital status, age, sexual orientation or sexual preference.
However, landlords do have the right to reject a rental application on the basis of potential damage. Anything that may negatively impact the value of your investment, such as scratches on the floors from pets or the smell of tobacco smoke, are legally sound reasons to give for rejecting a tenant's application.
It's a good idea to advertise your property as smoking or non-smoking to focus your applicant pool and avoid having to turn down too many would-be tenants.
If you think that supports your argument, I'm pretty sure it doesn't say what you think it says. ???
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I am a smoker and so a many of the people I camp with. You would be exceptionally lucky to find a butt on the ground when we leave. They go in the fire or beer ashtrays.
Like any form a rubbish it should not be left behind but you will always get the idiots who think they are above everyone else, and I can guarantee they will be the ones who don't follow this law anyway.
Have to admit we rarely camp in National Parks as many don't allow fires or dogs. I and my killer spoodle lives for camping.
Its a law that is impossible to govern in any meaningful way and is more likely to catch those being responsible and not the idiots who dump there butts in the bush where it could start fires.
I agree with the comments from some other members that alcohol is a bigger issue when camping. I have cleaned up plenty of smashed glass from previous idiots.
The other thing that needs to be addressed are the morans who go to bed leaving fires still going. At Christmas we were running around at night dumping water on other peoples fires because the ground was dry and the wind had kicked up.
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I see more restriction as a good thing. While I respect the right of those who do to continue to smoke, it doesn't appear to do anything positive except to those with an addiction. restricting smoking significantly reduces the number of discarded butts and in national parks also reduces fire risk.
Pubs, clubs, restaurants, public transport and all the other places it has been banned are soooo much better to visit now you don't end up going home smelling like a chimney. Not having to put up with someone puffing away in the stands at the footy, or on the sideline at your kids game is great too.
I'm not a smoker, never have been so I don't get the attraction of sucking poison stuff into your lungs for pleasure. I'm happy for less second hand smoke, everywhere. I had to flip the AC to recirc in the car yesterday morning because the car in front of me had a smoker in it and the smoke was getting into my car in the traffic queue - it stinks.
The more places it is restricted, hopefully the less smokers there will be, which is good for long term health of the community.
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My sister has just passed away from passive smoking (breathing in others smoke) and I miss her very much, she never smoked herself, so the sooner all the smokers fill their lungs with cancer and die the better. Ban it altogether.
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so the sooner all the smokers fill their lungs with cancer and die the better.
Nice.... ::)
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Nice.... ::)
If your going to quote then quote the whole message and show the reason for it
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My sister has just passed away from passive smoking (breathing in others smoke) and I miss her very much, she never smoked herself,
Sorry to hear about your sister.
the sooner all the smokers fill their lungs with cancer and die the better.
Again, nice........ ::)
Ban it altogether.
For health reasons, I agree.
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I guess I was a bit strong on the subject, but grief makes people say things as they see them and its unfortunate that smoking has been the demise of so many people, smokers and nonsmokers over the years.
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G,day
I started this thread as a notice to those on this forum about the changes when camping in the Queensland National Parks , not because I wanted to start a s#!t fight , but because I wanted to alert members .
I stated that yes I am a smoker very early in this thread, I also stated that I am more than happy to accept this and indulge in a durrie outside the required 10 metres.
My comment about rent , was a tongue in cheek , comment .
This is a question that I fired at the Queensland National parks ,
" I am a smoker , and I do not have a problem with this new restriction on smoking . 10 metres ? From where ? The sign that has the camp site number on it ? The middle of the camp site ? Where is the 10 metre ruling applied from .
I often camp in the north Queensland Nat Parks and often these camp sites are huge. So again where does the 10 metre ruling start .Unlike a school ground , there are no defined boundaries around camp sites."
And this is an answer from the Queensland National Parks.
" Good question . A lot of our parks have defined camp sites, but for the ones that don't you can use this rule: If a tent or a caravan's been set up, you need to be 10 metres away from that."
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I'm not a smoker, but Jeeez I sure do have a gripe with smokers!!!!
Obviously none of the smokers on myswag are guilty of this but............
Why smoke right next to your baby and hold the ciggie behind your back while taking puffs???
Surely that's like having a peeing section in a pool!!! ???
Numerous times I have been camped up and had people wander away from their camp or caravan site and wander over in front of ours to light up. WTF? seriously go back and poison your own family.
I am also sick and tired of having dirty ciggy butts flicked onto my bonnet. If you are too lazy to use your ashtray throw your damn self out of the window!!!
Its called littering you "tosser"
I also work on new homes being built and am tired of every tradie coming in and lighting up inside. Apart from the fact that your are sticking out someone's new home, I'm in here so take your stinking cancer stick outside.
I actually don't have a problem with smoking or smokers, but I have a massive problem with the attitudes of some of them.
I drink. Not a lot, but I enjoy a few occasionally. OK hate me for it and claim I'm stupid.
I don't abuse it, the AMA claims it's safe in moderation and I don't tip my dregs all over your clothes so they stink of beer.
I also don't drop my empties on the floor or in your house, or at traffic lights.
I also don't spill it into babies lungs or mouths or make other people drink it unwillingly then yell at them if they tell me not to.
So there's my rant.....
No problems with smokers, but hate the ignorant attitude some people have. Yes I know it applies to other things, but we're talking about smoking.
Flame suit on...............
Brian
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Then ban would have nothing to do about cigarette butts.
It will be in line with the universal move to restrict second hand smoke. Although I do think it is funny you have to move away from you r own campsite.
Yes I am an ex smoker. I gave up years ago befor it was trendy. It never worried me being around smokers, so long as they didn't blow it my face. However over time we have all been exposed to less and less cigarette smoke and now it s...ts me when I am exposed to it, only because it stinks.
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I haven't read the rules. but if your in bed inside your own caravan in a national park, are you allowed to smoke ?????????????
what's a bloke supposed to do in those few minutes between coitus and snoring if you cant have a durrie?
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I haven't read the rules. but if your in bed inside your own caravan in a national park, are you allowed to smoke ?????????????
what's a bloke supposed to do in those few minutes between coitus and snoring if you cant have a durrie?
If the missus is only too happy to suck in your smoke I can't see why not.....and who is going to catch you doing it.( or the other thing either ?? ) ;D
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I was just having a thoughtie about all this .
I have paid my fees to camp in xyz Nat Park.
Am I renting this site , by way of payment ?
If I am renting then under the Australia Tenancy Laws , I can't be banned from smoking .
Except if your rental agreement states - no smokers
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Except if your rental agreement states - no smokers
My comment about rent , was a tongue in cheek , comment .
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My comment about rent , was a tongue in cheek , comment .
That's a problem with written communication in a forum. The subtleties of the spoken word don't always come through as intended, including whether your tongue is in your cheek, so you shouldn't be too surprised when people respond directly to what you've said.
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That's a problem with written communication in a forum. The subtleties of the spoken word don't always come through as intended, including whether your tongue is in your cheek, so you shouldn't be too surprised when people respond directly to what you've said.
Water of a duck's back. ;D ;D
I have always liked a good debate . :cheers:
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Water of a duck's back. ;D ;D
I have always liked a good debate . :cheers:
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Me too. ;D
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I am a smoker.
You would never knew Ismoked at my campsite, not a butt in view.
I rented, no smoking allowed on the premises, I obey.
I go as far away from people at work that don't smoke and they follow me.
I am more than considerate of non-smokers and will continue to do so.
But if I camp and am away from everyone and someone comes along and wants to camp beside me I will warn them that I am a smoker, stay or move on.
That's my stance on it. I will quit smoking when I feel like doing so, the government can bring in all the laws they like, but it is legal.
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I will quit smoking when I feel like doing so
Mate, I smoked for 40 years & I truly hope quitting for you is sooner than later. All the best with it.
Steve