Post by: Frostd on December 31, 2016, 02:11:29 PM
http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/oh-no-vehicle-falls-off-inskip-point-barge/3127635/ (http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/oh-no-vehicle-falls-off-inskip-point-barge/3127635/)
Post by: Bird on December 31, 2016, 02:17:16 PM
Post by: grmas1 on December 31, 2016, 02:28:08 PM
Post by: PJ80 on December 31, 2016, 02:39:03 PM
Would appear to be a tag along vehicle going by the stickers on the cruiser. Normally piloted by young tourists so suspect it is human error.Glad no one was in the vehicle.
The cost of the recovery will be a lot more than the value of the vehicle - given the location I am sure they will be forced to recover it.
Given it is Toyota it will be fine after a oil change and new air filter.
Post by: Rumpig on December 31, 2016, 02:52:02 PM
This is a bit of bad luck or just not prepared. Have a look at the link and the video of the Land Cruiser rolling off the Fraser Island Barge between Inskip point and Fraser.c'mon Terry mate, you're 4 hours to slow ;D ;D
http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/oh-no-vehicle-falls-off-inskip-point-barge/3127635/ (http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/oh-no-vehicle-falls-off-inskip-point-barge/3127635/)
Post by: Frostd on December 31, 2016, 03:11:22 PM
c'mon Terry mate, you're 4 hours to slow ;D ;DSorry mate, a little slow in my old odl now I have moved further south.
I actually looked for a previous thread before posting it, but obviously didnt look hard enough. Might be one for the delete button.
Post by: Rumpig on December 31, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Sorry mate, a little slow in my old odl now I have moved further south.i didn't even think to give it a new thread, I'm sure others will likely overlook the news thread also though, so see what happens.
I actually looked for a previous thread before posting it, but obviously didnt look hard enough. Might be one for the delete button.
Post by: ronmac on December 31, 2016, 04:38:52 PM
Post by: MrCruza on December 31, 2016, 05:01:28 PM
Post by: weeds on December 31, 2016, 05:49:44 PM
where the bloody hell are the safety gates on this vessel.
The ramp is the safety..... it should have been raised all the way up.
Given the seriousness of the event I'm surprised they are still operating, I would say at a minimum for passengers walking around in the deck there should be protection.
Post by: Bird on December 31, 2016, 05:51:06 PM
The ramp is the safety..... it should have been raised all the way up.you watch the panic button be hit now and the dumb rules they will come up with to save people from themselves....
Given the seriousness of the event I'm surprised they are still operating, I would say at a minimum for passengers walking around in the deck there should be protection.
so, whose insurance pays up ??? ???
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on December 31, 2016, 06:22:07 PM
you watch the panic button be hit now and the dumb rules they will come up with to save people from themselves....
so, whose insurance pays up ??? ???
Welcome to 2017, where the barge fee's just doubled due to brain fade ::)
Post by: weeds on December 31, 2016, 06:33:02 PM
you watch the panic button be hit now and the dumb rules they will come up with to save people from themselves....
so, whose insurance pays up ??? ???
I don't think it will be dumb rules re: ramp being left down........that basic Shit that should happen to protect passenger...not much you can do about the drivers
From memory it's a be rough and ready the ferry operation.
Post by: Swannie on December 31, 2016, 06:35:52 PM
Swannie
Post by: Bird on December 31, 2016, 06:38:56 PM
Welcome to 2017, where the barge fee's just doubled due to brain fade ::)we have a winner!!!!
Post by: Troopy_03 on December 31, 2016, 06:40:29 PM
Post by: GeoffA on December 31, 2016, 07:36:18 PM
Post by: BaseCamp on December 31, 2016, 07:43:46 PM
(They used to let you sit it out in your 4by if you wanted...)
Sent from my SM-N910G using Tapatalk
Post by: rossm on December 31, 2016, 07:53:15 PM
Will they get a refund for the unused return journey?
Good one
I have never been on this ferry but I suspect that like many other businesses carrying passengers the terms and conditions of the ticket will have been written by a team of QCs and the owner will accept no responsibility for anything.
Basically the message will be "if anything goes wrong you can sue but our insurer has more money than you and will fight you every centimetre of the way to the High Court and when you lose you will have to pay costs so cop it sweet."
If the owner of the car is lucky he may get a payout for the value of the vehicle but will have to claim against his own insurer for any personal possessions. Good luck with that.
And while we may like to turn up our nose at "backpackers" just think about the grief these people face in the next little while if they have lost passports, banking cards and other documents.
I am happy to be corrected but that is the way the world seems to work these days.
Post by: achjimmy on December 31, 2016, 08:05:07 PM
Good one
I have never been on this ferry but I suspect that like many other businesses carrying passengers the terms and conditions of the ticket will have been written by a team of QCs and the owner will accept no responsibility for anything.
Basically the message will be "if anything goes wrong you can sue but our insurer has more money than you and will fight you every centimetre of the way to the High Court and when you lose you will have to pay costs so cop it sweet."
If the owner of the car is lucky he may get a payout for the value of the vehicle but will have to claim against his own insurer for any personal possessions. Good luck with that.
And while we may like to turn up our nose at "backpackers" just think about the grief these people face in the next little while if they have lost passports, banking cards and other documents.
I am happy to be corrected but that is the way the world seems to work these days.
As above the master of the vessel is ultimately reponsible for vessel and passenger safety. Any negeliance or obvious oh&is that's overlooked will be to his/shipping lines detriment. Not my rules just the way it is. Just like the common carrier rule with TNT etc all T&Cs to cover their arse to the moon. Keep pushing when your parcel is lost by them and eventually common law over rules and they are at fault cause they promote themselves as "carriers"
Post by: rossm on December 31, 2016, 08:19:09 PM
As above the master of the vessel is ultimately reponsible for vessel and passenger safety. Any negeliance or obvious oh&is that's overlooked will be to his/shipping lines detriment. Not my rules just the way it is. Just like the common carrier rule with TNT etc all T&Cs to cover their arse to the moon. Keep pushing when your parcel is lost by them and eventually common law over rules and they are at fault cause they promote themselves as "carriers"
a couple of years ago a man fell overboard on his way back from Rottnest Island after a very boozy cruise. Nobody missed him and his body was found next day. The owner of the charter boat and the skipper have been fined for a total 0f $6500 on three charges of illegally selling alcohol!
His widow is suing the company. Call me a cynic but I reckon it will come down to care and responsibility: the passengers had better take care because nobody accepts responsibility.
Post by: wakychapmans on December 31, 2016, 08:55:22 PM
well it's supposed to be locked in place in the clevis above it on the side of the barge, secured by the hydraulic ram behind it.
maybe it's just me... but it sure doesn't look locked in place...
or up...
like it says... on the sign.
sure... handbrake should have been on (as many have noted... it may have been "on"... it is a Landcruiser handbrake after all) and yes... it should have been in gear.
But if the ramp was locked in the up position, where it should have been...
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on December 31, 2016, 09:17:24 PM
As above the master of the vessel is ultimately reponsible for vessel and passenger safety. Any negeliance or obvious oh&is that's overlooked will be to his/shipping lines detriment. Not my rules just the way it is. Just like the common carrier rule with TNT etc all T&Cs to cover their arse to the moon. Keep pushing when your parcel is lost by them and eventually common law over rules and they are at fault cause they promote themselves as "carriers"
Jim is 100% correct. The skipper is to blame, legally. .....
FFS, You're driving a vehicle onto a boat off a beach, onto another beach. There's no yellow lines painted on the sand and the last outgoing tide took all the safety signs with it. ::)
If you can't safely PARK a vehicle, let alone one on a moving vessel, then hand your licence in, if you have one.
At the end of the day, the Skipper is responsible. Had the ramp been up, the vehicle moved and killed a kid, again he's responsible. If it moved and hit the car in front of it, the owner of that car belted the clown who didn't park his vehicle correctly, again he'll no doubt legally be held responsible.
Take me back to the 80's please......... When not only cars were cool, but people were actually accountable for their own stupidity.
Of the last million vehicles on that barge, how many fell off? So it's a ? In a million chance.
Some people should not touch a motor car, let alone drive them.
Post by: Bird on December 31, 2016, 09:23:12 PM
Post by: Bird on December 31, 2016, 09:53:14 PM
http://www.theage.com.au/queensland/vehicle-slides-off-fraser-island-ferry-into-water-near-beach-20161231-gtk8pr.html (http://www.theage.com.au/queensland/vehicle-slides-off-fraser-island-ferry-into-water-near-beach-20161231-gtk8pr.html)
(http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam/images/g/t/k/8/s/j/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gtk8pr.png/1483180479982.jpg)
Post by: rossm on December 31, 2016, 09:56:36 PM
so looking at this photo, theres no way it could "roll" off... its facing up slightly -full video on the link too
http://www.theage.com.au/queensland/vehicle-slides-off-fraser-island-ferry-into-water-near-beach-20161231-gtk8pr.html (http://www.theage.com.au/queensland/vehicle-slides-off-fraser-island-ferry-into-water-near-beach-20161231-gtk8pr.html)
(http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam/images/g/t/k/8/s/j/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gtk8pr.png/1483180479982.jpg)
Haha ... in this day of photoshop and other computer wizardry I am reminded of the old saying "don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see."
Post by: Rumpig on December 31, 2016, 10:03:32 PM
Haha ... in this day of photoshop and other computer wizardry I am reminded of the old saying "don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see."except there is actual video of it rolling off the back into the drink
Post by: rossm on December 31, 2016, 10:08:39 PM
except there is actual video of it rolling off the back into the drink
yeah but Bird posted a pic of the ramp up so it couldn't have happened ... ???
Post by: oldmate on December 31, 2016, 10:16:51 PM
yeah but Bird posted a pic of the ramp up so it couldn't have happened ... ???
Where? What pic?
Post by: Bird on December 31, 2016, 10:35:47 PM
Post by: alnjan on December 31, 2016, 10:50:54 PM
(http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/oh-magoo-you-ve-done-it-again.png)
That's Gold :cup: :cup: :cup:
Post by: speewa158 on December 31, 2016, 11:35:07 PM
Bottom of the Harbor investment in classic automotive equipment Tuff rolling stock though a bit moist . Cleaning of the battery terminals could be required might help . Removal of the crabs in the glove box essential . All offers considered :cheers:
Post by: Hoyks on December 31, 2016, 11:45:10 PM
Land Cruiser hand brakes have never been the best, this one by all accounts is basically a rental that does (well, did) the Fraiser run a lot so it is a fair bet maintenance wasn't a terribly high priority.
Barge working to do as many trips as it can in peak season, so they cut a few corners to increase the trips they can do in a day.
Weather is calm and the trip across the channel is only a short one, so fewer precautions are taken.
Old mate deckie didn't lift the ramp as high as he should or hook the safety chain across as it slows down the cycle times.
The driver of the Cruiser leaves it out of gear, probably with the motor running and the air con cranking because it was so bloody hot.
Driver is probably inexperienced and probably isn't aware of the idiosyncrasies of the vehicle.
Ferry accelerates and hits a small rolling swell.
All the holes align and conspired to create a small artificial reef.
(http://andrew.mcgiffert.id.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/4370a0177ed0f.gif)
http://andrew.mcgiffert.id.au/blog/reasons-organisational-model-of-system-accidents/ (http://andrew.mcgiffert.id.au/blog/reasons-organisational-model-of-system-accidents/)
And Yes, the Master and the Mantaray crew will have a long chat with the transport inspectors and probably Workcover.
Yes, the driver should have secured the vehicle, but you are driving into their workplace, so they have a duty of care to ensure that the passengers make it across to the island (regardless of teh disclaimer on the ticket) and recorded procedures on how they will achieve that.
Deviations from or omissions of procedures just to speed up cycle times is really frowned upon as the reason they have been adopted in the first place is for safety. Most times people have died or been injured learning those lessons in the first place.
It is a bit of an inconvenience that a bunch of wallets went to the bottom, but only by the grace of god that it wasn't a wagon with a kid or two asleep and strapped into their child seats. It certainly counts as a near miss in my book, especially as it is a direct result of not following procedures. This shot is a dead giveaway.
(http://www.myswag.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50812.0;attach=130235;image)
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on December 31, 2016, 11:58:11 PM
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 01, 2017, 03:22:40 AM
Post by: Fizzie on January 01, 2017, 07:44:32 AM
Post by: kizza1 on January 01, 2017, 07:51:07 AM
Post by: Hoyks on January 01, 2017, 08:47:39 AM
Post by: speewa158 on January 01, 2017, 08:55:46 AM
Post by: GeoffA on January 01, 2017, 09:03:04 AM
Post by: edz on January 01, 2017, 09:39:42 AM
As its gone off the rear end, having the rear ramp all up and locked may or may not be a requirement, Just recalling our trips across there over the last 20 odd years we cant recall a time the ramp that becomes the bow hasn't been full up and locked or a time we haven't been instructed to turn off / engage gears and handbrake on by the decky, the rear ramp though usually does get raised to higher than whats in the pics but not always before pulling away from the beach .
May be just that swiss cheese line up of holes incident thingy .. Driver fails to engage gears / park brake [ or it fails ] cruiser rolled away just before ramp gets raised .
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 01, 2017, 11:30:31 AM
Hot day, car in neutral, motor running for the air con, useless hand brake and a skipper just a tad slow getting the ramp up = SPLASHDOWN.
They usually dunk the ramp once or twice to get the sand off it as they begin the trip.
Better than the guy years ago, when they got to the island, they lowered ramp and some knucklehead took off to be first.
Pity the barge was still 20 feet or more from the island.... :D
Post by: speewa158 on January 01, 2017, 06:15:26 PM
Post by: Paddler Ed on January 01, 2017, 06:25:19 PM
"From reading the story on the ABC website I suspect the following:
-Hire vehicle (already stated in the media) hired out to some European backpackers who were doing the trip to Fraser
-Unfamiliar with Automatics (most Brits drive manual; my wife had her driving licence for 7 years before she drove an automatic) and therefore possibly put it in N instead of P
-Land Cruiser handbrake + hire vehicle that lives a hard life = even worse than normal
-Only picked the car up at Rainbow Beach, so not long to get used to a new vehicle and therefore unfamiliar with the peculiarities of that specific one"
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 02, 2017, 01:51:11 PM
Post by: BigDog816 on January 02, 2017, 09:21:26 PM
Post by: Beachman on January 03, 2017, 08:21:37 AM
I would be very surprised if they recover the vehicle due to the strong currents that go through that passage as I would have thought the Cruiser would be miles out to sea by now.
Post by: Fizzie on January 03, 2017, 08:22:55 AM
Maritime Safety may get involved as lost cargo (yep - car go that way >:D) but doesn't pose any risk to navigation so possibly not. Also, no injuries, no damage to vessel, or risk to crew or passengers so again, probably not?
Think in the end it's probably going to come down to a fight between insurance companies - rental car company v barge owner / operator.
One thing for sure is that the poor backpackers involved (or at least the one whose name is on the paperwork) have just had a very expensive trip to Fraser - what do you reckon - $60k - $80k ??? :'(
Post by: Rumpig on January 03, 2017, 08:32:36 AM
Post by: Fizzie on January 03, 2017, 08:46:23 AM
Just wondering if EPA may get involved due to fuel, oil etc?
Did anyone ever hear of any fallout from the car & van going into the Inskip sinkhole - was anyone concerned about cleaning up any pollution risk?
Post by: PWE on January 03, 2017, 09:41:06 AM
Will not be surprise if they start locking the ramps and increase the trip cost across due to 'additional safety procedures'
Post by: loanrangie on January 03, 2017, 06:23:00 PM
Will they get a refund for the unused return journey?Yeah but will be charged for launch fees
.Sent from my K4000_PRO using Tapatalk
Post by: gordo350 on January 03, 2017, 07:02:41 PM
Post by: alnjan on January 03, 2017, 07:04:35 PM
https://www.facebook.com/7NewsBrisbane/videos/1377602088919306/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED (https://www.facebook.com/7NewsBrisbane/videos/1377602088919306/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED)
https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/33695729/4wd-rolls-off-the-back-of-barge-headed-for-fraser-island/#page1 (https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/33695729/4wd-rolls-off-the-back-of-barge-headed-for-fraser-island/#page1)
Post by: Bird on January 03, 2017, 07:39:29 PM
Ch 7 are saying "The operators of a barge to Fraser Island could be responsible for salvaging and replacing a four wheel drive which rolled off the ferry into the sea."that's what I thought might be the case... only time will tell.
Post by: weeds on January 03, 2017, 11:08:32 PM
Ramps were raised and locked, one ramp couldn't be locked and they bumped the hydraulic pump a few times during the crossing.
Post by: Bird on February 01, 2017, 07:14:15 AM
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 01, 2017, 04:11:23 PM
Any word what happened with this in the end?? who pays? changes to rules?
It's very quiet around here about the whole thing.
I would suggest, maybe a payment to all concerned has taken place and now its just up to the authorities to do what they do, which is very little.
That's just my opinion of course.
Post by: Bird on February 01, 2017, 04:28:46 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers
It's very quiet around here about the whole thing.
I would suggest, maybe a payment to all concerned has taken place and now its just up to the authorities to do what they do, which is very little.
That's just my opinion of course.
nope nail on the head what I was thinkin' too.. it went quiet very quickly.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 01, 2017, 04:37:19 PM
nope nail on the head what I was thinkin' too.. it went quiet very quickly.
I'm just thinking, that's what i'd do if I made an almighty fukk-up..... put it to bed, quietly. ;D
I must say, i'm concerned, very concerned.... we're thinking the same thing.... that just can't be right or healthy.
Post by: Bird on February 01, 2017, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers
I must say, i'm concerned, very concerned.... we're thinking the same thing.... that just can't be right or healthy.Sorry took so long to reply, I was in therapy...
Post by: Swannie on February 01, 2017, 04:47:36 PM
Post by: Bird on February 01, 2017, 04:51:13 PM
Quote from: Swannie
I bought it cheap cheap
petty cash for you... :( Yes I am... :P
Post by: Nomad on February 02, 2017, 07:50:26 PM
:cheers: