Post by: KingBilly on December 17, 2016, 08:14:15 AM
https://www.campertraileraustralia.com.au/features/1612/the-future-of-track-trailer (https://www.campertraileraustralia.com.au/features/1612/the-future-of-track-trailer)
"The following year, their project entitled ‘Transition to caravan’, or ‘Tvan’ for short, had taken shape as a prototype, etching a step closer to taking the Australian camper trailer industry by storm."
KB
Post by: D4D on December 17, 2016, 09:23:14 AM
Post by: Isuzumu on December 17, 2016, 12:07:41 PM
Post by: GeoffA on December 17, 2016, 12:38:35 PM
$72,500 for a TVAN, you have got to be joking
"Was $74,680 - Reduced for Leisurefest AUD $72,500"
It's a bargain Bruce....
Post by: D4D on December 17, 2016, 12:45:43 PM
$72,500 for a TVAN, you have got to be joking
They're a premium brand with a premium price, they have their market segment and other diversified business interests, and it sounds like they're doing ok for themselves. Good on them.
Post by: Bird on December 17, 2016, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: GeoffA
"Was $74,680 - Reduced for Leisurefest AUD $72,500"Gee, insane saving - I don't know how it lasted this long... LOL!
It's a bargain Bruce....
Plenty of suckers out there with too much money.
Post by: KingBilly on December 17, 2016, 03:36:21 PM
They're a premium brand with a premium price, they have their market segment and other diversified business interests, and it sounds like they're doing ok for themselves. Good on them.
Yep, have to agree. Happy to see an Aussie business doing well, and most importantly, expanding and innovating. Employing Aussies and paying taxes.
Never understood why people complain about the price of something they never intend buying. They jump up and down about the price, but will never buy one. If somebody wants to pay $70K plus for a camper, that is their right. They have earnt the money, they have made a decision about what will suit them so they have the right to spend their money however they want to.
KB
Post by: Rumpig on December 17, 2016, 03:47:23 PM
Yep, have to agree. Happy to see an Aussie business doing well, and most importantly, expanding and innovating. Employing Aussies and paying taxes.much the same as people spending big dollars on cars, electronics etc etc etc....there's other stuff that does the same job pretty much at a cheaper price, so why do people buy the more expensive stuff?....because they want it and they can is why
Never understood why people complain about the price of something they never intend buying. They jump up and down about the price, but will never buy one. If somebody wants to pay $70K plus for a camper, that is their right. They have earnt the money, they have made a decision about what will suit them so they have the right to spend their money however they want to.
KB
Post by: KingBilly on December 17, 2016, 03:49:49 PM
much the same as people spending big dollars on cars, electronics etc etc etc....there's other stuff that does the same job pretty much at a cheaper price, so why do people buy the more expensive stuff?....because they want it and they can is why
Yeah a member was telling me he couldn't understand the attraction of a $100K Toyo79 when his Chevy Trailblazer does it all better and for half the price
KB
Post by: UIZ733 on December 17, 2016, 04:01:20 PM
Never understood why people complain about the price of something they never intend buying. They jump up and down about the price, but will never buy one. If somebody wants to pay $70K plus for a camper, that is their right. They have earnt the money, they have made a decision about what will suit them so they have the right to spend their money however they want to.Agreed.
KB
Why does a dog lick his balls.......................................because he can. ;D
Post by: wakychapmans on December 17, 2016, 04:57:40 PM
Yeah a member was telling me he couldn't understand the attraction of a $100K Toyo79 when his Chevy Trailblazer does it all better and for half the priceif I find the money for 79 series... I'll have one.
KB
If I won the lottery, I'd get a Tvan... brand new one too.
But the world is the world... So I'll probably end up with a 16 year old Tvan at $25k or thereabouts...
Post by: Isuzumu on December 17, 2016, 06:48:17 PM
Post by: Alien on December 17, 2016, 08:44:27 PM
if I find the money for 79 series... I'll have one.Second hand isnt a silly idea.
If I won the lottery, I'd get a Tvan... brand new one too.
But the world is the world... So I'll probably end up with a 16 year old Tvan at $25k or thereabouts...
We bought a 8 year old one and I could sell it tomorrow for what our purchase price was 2 years ago.
Post by: Hewy54 on December 18, 2016, 07:56:26 AM
Most of them probably have not taken them where we have taken our Jayco. Oh forgot they are like sleeping in a f"cking coffin.I agree that I find them too confining for me.
Interesting comment about where people take them. I guess it is like so many things. If someone can afford a quality item, who are we to make comments about how they use them?
Post by: D4D on December 18, 2016, 08:00:33 AM
I agree that I find them too confining for me.
Don't buy a swag ;D
Post by: Rumpig on December 18, 2016, 08:34:16 AM
Interesting comment about where people take them. I guess it is like so many things. If someone can afford a quality item, who are we to make comments about how they use them?If someone can afford an expensive fourby and off-road van or camper, & then only chooses to take it to say caravan parks in civilisation because that is where they feel comfortable, what does it really matter? I'd prefer they stayed there rather then end up somewhere I want to camp anyhow...lol
Post by: alnjan on December 18, 2016, 09:09:53 AM
Post by: austastar on December 18, 2016, 09:11:37 AM
1....... an expensive fourby and off-road van or camper, & then only chooses to take it to say caravan parks in civilisation because that is where they feel comfortable, what does it really matter?
2........I'd prefer they stayed there rather then end up somewhere I want to camp anyhow...lol
1....Does look incongruous though.
2.....Exactly
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Post by: Paddler Ed on December 18, 2016, 09:29:58 AM
do the rounds of the local caravan parks and I am amazed at the number of off road campers that are 'camping' in a caravan park. All come down to what you can afford and use
Based on my observation at work (caravan park) Caravans have gone the same way as cars; they make big on-road vans, but the resale value and image isn't as good as the off-road van. See the demise of the full size wagon and boom in soft-roaders as a similar comparison.
When you look at Ford not making a Falcon wagon after the BAII (they had the Territory instead) and no Toyota Camry wagon (there's the Kluger instead) you can see the trend that I'm talking about. Even the utes do it - the Holden RA Rodeo high 2 and the Ford Ranger PX High Rider are 2wd utes that have the same ride height as the 4wd ute; I'm not sure you can get a 2wd low height double cab like you used to be able to from either of them.
Now if we take that to 'vans and campers, look at the rise of companies like Lotus Caravans and others; even Jayco have more in their outback style then the on-road by the time you look at the toy hauler and expanda range (I still see quite a few low riding expanda)
I had a family of 5 pull in yesterday with a renovated 1980's van that's probably done a couple of laps of Australia, weighs a fraction of the new vans of the same size and whilst missing some bits and pieces (washing machine and ensuite for example) it'll still get them on the go and out and about... In contrast I also had a couple pull in with a brand new 200 series 'Cruiser and a big off road van...
Post by: D4D on December 18, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
Post by: kylarama on December 18, 2016, 09:50:41 AM
I don't get all the b!tching about spending coin on toys.And the same people probably b!tch and moan about 'cheap Chinese crap' campers too.
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Post by: UIZ733 on December 18, 2016, 11:06:53 AM
I don't get all the b!tching about spending coin on toys.;D
Post by: Rumpig on December 18, 2016, 03:38:48 PM
yeah but regardless of how it looks, who are they hurting by doing it?...I just don't get why people care what others own and where they take it. The upside with people doing stuff like this, means down the track someone else is going to pick up a mint condition secondhand van or camper 8)
1....Does look incongruous though.
2.....Exactly
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Post by: austastar on December 18, 2016, 04:08:40 PM
I was not criticising, many brutish 4wds and dreadnought trailers resting in green lawns and bollards, also travel beyond the old black stump. It was more bemusement at the juxtaposition of the image seen, rather than the image portrayed in glossy magazines. Nothing more.
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Post by: Rumpig on December 18, 2016, 04:29:49 PM
Hi,yeah mate i got what you meant, I didn't mean you in particular as being one of the people who cares what others have, I was just saying it in general as to how many people comment about what others own. It is a funny old world we live in when you start looking at what people buy, and the reasoning to themselves for doing so.
I was not criticising, many brutish 4wds and dreadnought trailers resting in green lawns and bollards, also travel beyond the old black stump. It was more bemusement at the juxtaposition of the image seen, rather than the image portrayed in glossy magazines. Nothing more.
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Post by: DannyG on December 18, 2016, 07:33:46 PM
They are pricey though but obviously people are seeing the value in them and are buying them.
Post by: Discoduck on December 18, 2016, 08:17:55 PM
I went the Tvan way as, by reputation, there wouldn't be any restrictions on where it could go. Also Track Trailer's stated business is to ensure that any product of theirs will not fail and will get you home again. I like that. Especially since I travel alone.
Now the question is, will I go to all those lovely out-of-the way places? No idea, but I believe that without the Tvan I'm possibly drawing a line under the opportunity.
As for the coffin like sleeping, I must admit that I've bumped my head a couple of times, but other than that I'm not aware of the low ceiling height. Couple of reds with dinner and sleep comes very easily. :cheers:.
As for cost, I suppose value, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Also, as mentioned, the resale value when I do move it on.
Like most, I've seen off-road vans, campers, all sorts in caravan parks, but who knows what their full journey is? I stayed in a CP on my way home from a week camping on the side of the roads up at Cameron Corner. It was nice to have a shower. To the casual observer was I just some wally with a Tvan that never gets dirty?
Anyway, each to their own.
Have a great Christmas :cheers: and maybe see you in bush some time.
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on December 18, 2016, 08:21:20 PM
As a new Tvan owner, I thought I might comment.
I went the Tvan way as, by reputation, there wouldn't be any restrictions on where it could go. Also Track Trailer's stated business is to ensure that any product of theirs will not fail and will get you home again. I like that. Especially since I travel alone.
Now the question is, will I go to all those lovely out-of-the way places? No idea, but I believe that without the Tvan I'm possibly drawing a line under the opportunity.
As for the coffin like sleeping, I must admit that I've bumped my head a couple of times, but other than that I'm not aware of the low ceiling height. Couple of reds with dinner and sleep comes very easily. :cheers:.
As for cost, I suppose value, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Also, as mentioned, the resale value when I do move it on.
Like most, I've seen off-road vans, campers, all sorts in caravan parks, but who knows what their full journey is? I stayed in a CP on my way home from a week camping on the side of the roads up at Cameron Corner. It was nice to have a shower. To the casual observer was I just some wally with a Tvan that never gets dirty?
Anyway, each to their own.
:cup: :cheers:
Have a great Christmas :cheers: and maybe see you in bush some time.
Back at ya.
Post by: Alan Loy on December 18, 2016, 10:40:56 PM
Gee, insane saving - I don't know how it lasted this long... LOL!
Plenty of suckers out there with too much money.
I have to put my hand up here. I'm one of the suckers who bought a Firetail and got the saving. Pick it up in February :cup:
Post by: Alien on December 18, 2016, 11:28:16 PM
https://youtu.be/Qnb73aM78vw
I suspect a lot of folk don't know what they are missing out on being Track-less.
Once you've had a Track there is no going back ;)
A Tvan works for us for a number of reasons.
I often land at camp just as the sun rises after a full nights work and traveling.
For these trips a quick setup allows us to be in bed in under 3 minutes from pulling up.
Like any thing there are faults but I know my van will happily bop along behind me anywhere I choose to go.
I know a lot of people with fold out campers who don't get away as often as we do due to setup/pack up times.
There biggest gripe is opening it all up at home again to restock and dry things out, I only have 4 latches and we are done.
I've spent a lot of time watching people set up and pack up various options and have learnt a lot.
It was why we bought an Oztent instead of threading fibreglass poles and fluffing with nylon flies.
This worked for over 8 years with the family but now they have moved out it was time to spoil ourselves a little.
Post by: Alan Loy on December 19, 2016, 07:12:19 AM
I've wanted one since they came out
They are as tough as my Patrol and can go most of the same places
They are a reasonable weight ie 1500kg full
Quick setup and no issues with a wet pack up
I don't mind the low head height in bed
After the Mk IV came out they had solved the biggest issue with the previous models by lowering the ball weight (other advantages but that was the deal maker). If I hadn't been able to afford a Mk Iv then I would have gone for a Mk II with the basic kitchen to reduce the ball weight.
Post by: Bad Scott on December 19, 2016, 07:39:44 AM
Post by: scott13april on December 20, 2016, 09:10:21 AM
https://www.campertraileraustralia.com.au/media/17011073/future-of-track-trailer-3.jpg
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Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on December 20, 2016, 09:40:29 AM
My reasons for being a sucker
I've wanted one since they came out
They are as tough as my Patrol and can go most of the same places
They are a reasonable weight ie 1500kg full
Quick setup and no issues with a wet pack up
I don't mind the low head height in bed
After the Mk IV came out they had solved the biggest issue with the previous models by lowering the ball weight (other advantages but that was the deal maker). If I hadn't been able to afford a Mk Iv then I would have gone for a Mk II with the basic kitchen to reduce the ball weight.
They have the battery/'s in the back now, and the water tank is 100 litre capacity to balance against the front weight.
Post by: Joff on December 20, 2016, 09:49:16 AM
Most of them probably have not taken them where we have taken our Jayco. Oh forgot they are like sleeping in a f"cking coffin.
But on average and despite where you may have taken your Jayco, there are many many more Tvans out in the remote places that Jaycos.
Post by: Pete79 on December 20, 2016, 10:18:28 AM
Can't see that I would be able to afford to buy one for a very long time, but doesn't mean I can't admire them.
After reading that article I like them even more now.
When the director has this sort of philosophy, the company can only produce good things for those of us that like things a little bit different and get really bored with all of the same-same.
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"No Track Trailer product will ever look like grandma’s bedroom with chintz curtains and the like," he said. "Our customers have a different aesthetic goal."
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"is adamant that the tandem offroader will be far from a ‘me too’ approach, adding that under his resurgent leadership its potential will be uncorked in other innovative ways."
Post by: Alan Loy on December 20, 2016, 03:36:06 PM
They have the battery/'s in the back now, and the water tank is 100 litre capacity to balance against the front weight.
They also redesigned the front and front "box" using different materials as well. They say that they lost about 30kg from the box.
Post by: Isuzumu on December 22, 2016, 08:01:04 PM
But on average and despite where you may have taken your Jayco, there are many many more Tvans out in the remote places that Jaycos.
To me it is more about value for your buck, so I may not be able to take our Jayco where the Tvan can go, but I can do places in a lot more comfort. But we do have a couple of things up our sleeves. These photos may explain.
1. Our Jayco and it's set up, which is towed by our D.Max.
2. Our very capable off road MU and dual purpose off road .trailer
Post by: Alan Loy on December 22, 2016, 08:22:03 PM
I currently have an Outback Canning that will get me a lot of places for under $10K, now I'm spending almost $60K. I understand if you think I'm mad but to me it seems like money well spent.
Post by: oldmate on December 22, 2016, 08:27:11 PM
My motto. Work hard, Play harder. That's why we have an Ultimate ;D :cup:
You are the smartest bloke on this forum.
Post by: GeoffA on December 22, 2016, 08:29:17 PM
You are the smartest bloke on this forum.
You haven't met him, have you?....... :P :P ;D ;D
Post by: oldmate on December 22, 2016, 08:31:11 PM
You haven't met him, have you?....... :P :P ;D ;D
PMSL. Actually i have, and he does have some downsides, but in this argument, i will back him up. even though he drives a yota. ;D ;D ;D
Post by: GeoffA on December 22, 2016, 08:37:24 PM
PMSL. Actually i have, and he does have some downsides, but in this argument, i will back him up. even though he drives a yota. ;D ;D ;D
You would....but no downside. A great bloke.....other than the yota thing.... ;D
Post by: Rumpig on December 22, 2016, 08:41:08 PM
Post by: oldmate on December 22, 2016, 08:50:52 PM
Perceived value is different for everyone...compromising on being able to go somewhere for what someone else calls more comfort, wouldn't be seen as value to some....they'd likely see it as an inconvenience and waste of money. The beauty of this world is that everyone likes different things, and has different needs and wants...hence why there are so many different males and models of tents, swags, campers and caravans in the market place.
Yep agreed mate.
You would....but no downside. A great bloke.....other than the yota thing.... ;D
i can let that slip past dont worry. ;D
Post by: Joff on December 23, 2016, 07:06:12 AM
To me it is more about value for your buck, so I may not be able to take our Jayco where the Tvan can go, but I can do places in a lot more comfort. But we do have a couple of things up our sleeves. These photos may explain.
1. Our Jayco and it's set up, which is towed by our D.Max.
2. Our very capable off road MU and dual purpose off road .trailer
Yeah, i dont buy the comfort thing. Dont get me wrong im looking at caravans for my next itteration but i know i will be compromising on certain things to get convenience. Cumfort isnt one of them.
Post by: BaseCamp on December 23, 2016, 08:25:32 AM
but i know i will be compromising on certain things to get convenience. Cumfort isnt one of them.
Geezs mate... without any lov'n ... or cumfort; ..what's the point of going camping? LOL hehe
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Post by: patroldude on December 23, 2016, 07:28:49 PM
Stop set up in a couple of minutes, drink BEER
That's why you buy a Tvan - simply the best suspension on any camper, with the build quality of the camper to match.
Seen plenty of Jaycos in caravan parks as we pass by
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Post by: Isuzumu on December 23, 2016, 07:45:42 PM
Had our MK111 Tvan from new for just over 5 years now. Have been on endless hard tracks - Simpson Desert, CapeYork Frenchmans track and Old Telegraph Track, Palmer river Gold Fields up the real Maytown track past folders hotel - Cape Melville, Down the Hay River track, up the CREB track etc etc. took every hard option on every track, pushed the crap out of the Tvan everywhere, over the worst corrugations. And after all that I've had to repair ............ zip - zero - zilch
Stop set up in a couple of minutes, drink BEER
That's why you buy a Tvan - simply the best suspension on any camper, with the build quality of the camper to match.
Seen plenty of Jaycos in caravan parks as we pass by
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Sounds really great plenty off trailers done that like our old Jimboomba, but how many time you had to put a new motor in the f Nissan.
You fellows get all head up because you have paid top dollar for a trailer that I have seen a couple of basic MDC do the same thing and no bull Shits either.
Post by: BaseCamp on December 23, 2016, 08:58:14 PM
How did it go re: water ingress?
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Post by: patroldude on December 23, 2016, 09:27:52 PM
Tvan is real good in the water, had no leaks yet
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Post by: patroldude on December 23, 2016, 09:31:15 PM
Sounds really great plenty off trailers done that like our old Jimboomba, but how many time you had to put a new motor in the f Nissan.
You fellows get all head up because you have paid top dollar for a trailer that I have seen a couple of basic MDC do the same thing and no bull Shits either.
Back up sweet cheeks
Pootrols got over 300,000 Ks on it now - be interesting to see what ya Soft roader is like after that many Ks
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Post by: Joff on December 24, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
Back up sweet cheeks
Pootrols got over 300,000 Ks on it now - be interesting to see what ya Soft roader is like after that many Ks
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Hahahaha well said that man. To much bling and bombast these days. Before these soft little utes have done half the Shit the real machines do they are dead as doornails.
Post by: Isuzumu on December 24, 2016, 11:07:08 AM
Back up sweet cheeks
Pootrols got over 300,000 Ks on it now - be interesting to see what ya Soft roader is like after that many Ks
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My MU has over 300K on it and is 24 year old, and no one spot of rust and would probably show your Pootrol when to go.
Post by: Isuzumu on December 24, 2016, 11:11:40 AM
Hahahaha well said that man. To much bling and bombast these days. Before these soft little utes have done half the Shit the real machines do they are dead as doornails.
Got to be carefully boys you do not know what people may have in the back of the shed. Also you see all these Jaycos in CP what so is that where you spend most of your time :D ;D
Post by: Joff on December 24, 2016, 11:40:42 AM
Got to be carefully boys you do not know what people may have in the back of the shed. Also you see all these Jaycos in CP what so is that where you spend most of your time :D ;D
Pissing contest huh? Wanna compare track, destination and duration lists 8)
Look, at the end of the day we all do what we are cumfortable with and we do it with the machinery we can afford or what we deem to be best. But, since that there is no "best" all the bs and bombast in the world is meaningless. As are criptic comments about what's in our sheds coz frankly no one really cares hahahahah
Post by: Joff on December 24, 2016, 11:42:23 AM
My MU has over 300K on it and is 24 year old, and no one spot of rust and would probably show your Pootrol when to go.
Btw, looks good. Had a hard life has it?
Post by: wakychapmans on December 24, 2016, 12:51:22 PM
Pissing contest huh? Wanna compare track, destination and duration lists 8)
Look, at the end of the day we all do what we are cumfortable with and we do it with the machinery we can afford or what we deem to be best. But, since that there is no "best" all the bs and bombast in the world is meaningless. As are criptic comments about what's in our sheds coz frankly no one really cares hahahahah
well said.
I've done a big lap, which included the gulf, the Gibb, Oodnadatta, Birdsville and Strzelecki tracks and the Cape... All totally unsupported. Plus the Simpson twice and the Anne Beadell once. (supported)
on a push bike.
do I get extra credit for that? I pedaled a bike, because well... I simply couldn't afford a car at the time and I wanted to see outback Australia.
Now I have a little more $$$ so I have a cruiser and a home made/modified trailer. But it's not about who does what, who spends what and who drives what...
It's 100% about getting out there and doing what you can, with what you have, while you can.
There will come a day when you can't anymore.
Wayne.
Post by: KingBilly on December 24, 2016, 01:23:38 PM
After posting a link to an interesting article about an Aussie company which is both innovative and produces a quality product, I thought we may have a mature discussion about the company's products and its future direction, which sounds very interesting.
However, like most things on here, the second reply took the thread off topic and it turned into a pissing competition.
Thanks to those who made a postive contribution. I learnt some things. I also had a laugh.
KB
Post by: wakychapmans on December 24, 2016, 01:36:21 PM
Are we all finished now?
After posting a link to an interesting article about an Aussie company which is both innovative and produces a quality product, I thought we may have a mature discussion about the company's products and its future direction, which sounds very interesting.
KB
the new issue of Camper Australia magazine has a review of the special edition Firetrail model. Looks like they included the bits you'd like and left out the bits you could get by without.
Post by: Joff on December 24, 2016, 03:27:45 PM
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Post by: Isuzumu on December 24, 2016, 03:30:35 PM