Post by: cheif carlos on October 27, 2016, 09:41:59 AM
Looking at getting rid of my landcruiser HZJ105 Standard bus only as I have had it for 9 years and have only 146 000kms on it.
Now looking at 2 choices
First being a HDJ100 GXL with all the fruit you can imagine and then some. It has 200 000ks on it, so just run in, extremely well looked after. Also would be keeping camper
Second being an Iveco Daily 4x4 dual cab, for which I need to save another 15k to get and I would also be getting a lift off camper custom built for the tray and selling the camper trailer
Now not looking at money what are your opinion to this?
Post by: KingBilly on October 27, 2016, 09:58:35 AM
A 100 series with camper or an Iveco with lift off.
Bit hard to compare. But both would be great setups.
KB
Post by: jmorgan1981 on October 27, 2016, 10:14:16 AM
Post by: Bird on October 27, 2016, 10:15:44 AM
Wow, two very different options.what he said.
A 100 series with camper or an Iveco with lift off.
Bit hard to compare
2 opposite ends of the scale.
Post by: cheif carlos on October 27, 2016, 10:17:47 AM
would this also be your daily drive?
Either way chances are not as my grandmother is loosing her car and license and am looking at buying it (she is 95)
Post by: tombie on October 27, 2016, 10:54:24 AM
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Post by: jmorgan1981 on October 27, 2016, 11:07:40 AM
Post by: scblack on October 27, 2016, 11:18:13 AM
Post by: Joff on October 27, 2016, 11:27:42 AM
Eventual resale is something that has to be factored in. I imagine the used market for Iveco's is very very small, especially compared to the 100 series market.
I disagree with that. Not the part about the reletive number of subsequent potential buyers but the bit about eventual resale being something that has to be factored in. There is a lot to be said for buying/modifying to exactly what you want and being supremely happy with it over compromising because of some percieved value 9 years down the track.
If i was in this situation the notion of reselling would be very low on my list of considerations.
Post by: tryagain on October 27, 2016, 11:45:47 AM
Post by: scblack on October 27, 2016, 12:05:33 PM
I disagree with that. Not the part about the reletive number of subsequent potential buyers but the bit about eventual resale being something that has to be factored in. There is a lot to be said for buying/modifying to exactly what you want and being supremely happy with it over compromising because of some percieved value 9 years down the track.I disagree with you. Where did I say it was at the front of considerations? Maybe you misread my post - it is "a" factor for all car purchases. It is not a leading factor, but it should be considered.
If i was in this situation the notion of reselling would be very low on my list of considerations.
And it is not just "perceived" value - a 100 will be far easier, quicker and less of a hassle to sell than an Iveco. Many people don't have the time or knowledge to deal with such a vehicle when it comes to get rid of it. And if a vehicle has the very limited buyers an Iveco would attract versus the many times more buyers who would consider a 100, the 100 is likely to get a much better price - not guaranteed, but much more likely.
Post by: tombie on October 27, 2016, 12:25:10 PM
Life's to short to drive boring cars..
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Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on October 27, 2016, 12:28:52 PM
Doesn't have to be factored in at all..
Life's to short to drive boring cars..
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Post by: cheif carlos on October 27, 2016, 03:14:52 PM
Iveco! Just be wary that they have less braking capacity than a skateboard
Yep and the transfercase, breathers, poor knowledge by Iveco do you want me to go on.
Brakes easy fix BHSS do a conversion, tranny needs a cooler, breathers in a poor location, seat height needs reducing 50mm.
These and purchase price I am budgeting $1.20 for
Post by: Joff on October 27, 2016, 03:40:17 PM
I disagree with you. Where did I say it was at the front of considerations? Maybe you misread my post - it is "a" factor for all car purchases. It is not a leading factor, but it should be considered.
And it is not just "perceived" value - a 100 will be far easier, quicker and less of a hassle to sell than an Iveco. Many people don't have the time or knowledge to deal with such a vehicle when it comes to get rid of it. And if a vehicle has the very limited buyers an Iveco would attract versus the many times more buyers who would consider a 100, the 100 is likely to get a much better price - not guaranteed, but much more likely.
Oh man, why do people on here get all Shitty when they are disagreed with. I didnt missread anything. You said "eventual resale has to be factored in". Now i didnt try and suggest that you were making this out to be primary, maybe you missread my post :-*. I simply said that i dont reckon it "has" to be factored in.
I also never disagreed with all the stuff about the potential resale of the respective vehicles and said as much.
And just for the record, when i bought my current 105, resale was categorically not a factor in my decision. What does that say about the statement
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it is "a" factor for all car purchases.
Post by: scblack on October 27, 2016, 03:54:00 PM
Oh man, why do people on here get all Shitty when they are disagreed with. I didnt missread anything. You said "eventual resale has to be factored in". Now i didnt try and suggest that you were making this out to be primary, maybe you missread my post :-*. I simply said that i dont reckon it "has" to be factored in.Haha, well said, carry on. :cheers:
I also never disagreed with all the stuff about the potential resale of the respective vehicles and said as much.
And just for the record, when i bought my current 105, resale was categorically not a factor in my decision. What does that say about the statement
Not Shitty - just clarifying matters - this is vitally important factors...
Post by: Pete79 on October 27, 2016, 04:42:16 PM
Now I can't get them out of my mind. :) What an awesome base to build a camper off!!!
I'm pretty sure I saw 1000 cruisers in the last 2 hours. Can't say for sure, didn't really notice, but there was some bland old things that all looked the same. I guess they where cruisers?????
Given the choice I know which one I would be getting. ;)
Post by: Swannie on October 27, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
Swannie
Post by: V8CRSA on October 27, 2016, 05:26:13 PM
I don't think you can really compare the Iveco to a cruiser, ones a truck and needs to be driven like one and the service/maintenance costs will also be much higher on the Iveco.
Matt
Post by: Steffo1 on October 27, 2016, 05:26:41 PM
2nd hand petrol 200 Series... just buy one............and the Iveco to use as a fuel tanker. ;D
Swannie
Post by: Paddler Ed on October 27, 2016, 05:40:11 PM
Post by: cheif carlos on October 27, 2016, 06:05:03 PM
We've just become Iveco daily dealers at work, we have a twin cab 4X4 sitting in th years and I have had a good look over it, it does look like a good bit of gear.Matt, I was at one stage looking at a mog and as the Iveco would be registered at 4.5t I can compare , some may not. I cannot justify buying a ute that cannot safely carry more than 1t without major modification hence a wagon or the Iveco. ALso I have seen "going bush" and his cracked cross member but he must drive the ute hard to do that
I don't think you can really compare the Iveco to a cruiser,
Matt
Post by: listo on October 27, 2016, 06:12:41 PM
Post by: Rumpig on October 27, 2016, 06:15:16 PM
And just for the record, when i bought my current 105, resale was categorically not a factor in my decision. What does that say about the statementsays you're not alone in that thinking......I don't think resale has ever been something i've given much / any consideration to when i've bought a vehicle....i buy what i want because i want it, not because of what it might be worth whenever down the track.
Post by: fergy on October 27, 2016, 06:20:08 PM
Yep and the transfercase, breathers, poor knowledge by Iveco do you want me to go on.
Brakes easy fix BHSS do a conversion, once this is done braking is excellent
tranny needs a cooler transfercase, also synthetic oil
breathers in a poor location yep need extensions
seat height needs reducing 50mm. depends what seets it has in it, done mine in 2 hrs
These and purchase price I am budgeting $1.20 for
Post by: fergy on October 27, 2016, 06:22:29 PM
Eventual resale is something that has to be factored in. I imagine the used market for Iveco's is very very small, especially compared to the 100 series market.
it is very very small, they are bloody hard to get second hand
looking for one for a friend at the moment and the only one we can find is on ebay
Post by: fergy on October 27, 2016, 06:25:19 PM
We've started trying the Iveco's at work. Our depot gets one next year, but we got a good look over the demo when it came through. It looks a good bit of gear, although those big muddies it had on alone looked like they were worth more than my Triton
hankook dynapro 37x12.5R17 for under $400 a tyre
and they are actually a pretty good tyre
Post by: cheif carlos on October 27, 2016, 06:52:58 PM
hankook dynapro 37x12.5R17 for under $400 a tyre
and they are actually a pretty good tyre
Yep and that is similar price to a 285/75/r16 BFG
Post by: listo on October 27, 2016, 06:57:35 PM
hankook dynapro 37x12.5R17 for under $400 a tyre
and they are actually a pretty good tyre
I'll be stuffed! That's a bloody good price for those big mothers
Post by: Bird on October 27, 2016, 06:58:33 PM
Quote from: cheif carlos
Yep and that is similar price to a 285/75/r16 BFGCan be had for closer to 330. :) and one is still a Hankook!
I still say they are 2 opposite ends of the scale
1 will be newer
1 will be more worn
1 is a truck
1 is a car
how does your missus go driving the Iveco with a 2ton body on it?
Depending on the sort of travelling too.
$15,000 buys a lot of accessories, and you can take most bits off your current 100 and put on a newer one saving that $15,000 for holidays.
Post by: Pete79 on October 27, 2016, 07:05:29 PM
1 is a truck
1 is a car
1 is a truck
1 drives like a truck, spare parts cost as much as a truck, uses more fuel then a truck, but has a Toyota badge on it.
Post by: fergy on October 27, 2016, 07:41:46 PM
I'll be stuffed! That's a bloody good price for those big mothers
http://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/wheels-tires/129-1104-mud-tire-shootout-first-place-hankook-dynapro-mt/ (http://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/wheels-tires/129-1104-mud-tire-shootout-first-place-hankook-dynapro-mt/)
Post by: cheif carlos on October 27, 2016, 08:03:18 PM
Can be had for closer to 330. :) and one is still a Hankook!
I still say they are 2 opposite ends of the scale -yes and no but was also looking at a 79 series dual cab so that is how it ends up in the basket
1 will be newer
1 will be more worn
1 is a truck
1 is a car - newer yes a truck no no big enough in my eyes
how does your missus go driving the Iveco with a 2ton body on it? - she has driven worse
Depending on the sort of travelling too.
$15,000 buys a lot of accessories, and you can take most bits off your current 100 and put on a newer one saving that $15,000 for holidays.- hungy I am looking at has everything so no need to remove anything, and $15k isn't accessories more fixes, tray, but if you ever talk to an owner they don't regret it
Post by: Bird on October 27, 2016, 08:17:47 PM
Post by: Coolblue80 on October 28, 2016, 05:33:00 AM
Post by: cheif carlos on October 28, 2016, 05:57:55 AM
Keep your current cruiser and buy a wrecked turbo diesel 100 series
I can't bear to get rid of it. Cheers, Mike.
Mike looked at doing that but I have grown to hate barn doors
Post by: oldmate on October 28, 2016, 10:48:25 PM
says you're not alone in that thinking......I don't think resale has ever been something i've given much / any consideration to when i've bought a vehicle....i buy what i want because i want it, not because of what it might be worth whenever down the track.
Yep same here. You buy something that suits you and your purpose at the time not something that will suit a Joe blog or a coke bottle 10 years down the track.
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Post by: oldmate on October 28, 2016, 10:50:20 PM
1 is a truck
1 drives like a truck, spare parts cost as much as a truck, uses more fuel then a truck, but has a Toyota badge on it.
Winner. !!!!
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