Post by: Ben.Archer on September 29, 2016, 01:18:29 PM
Looks like a cross between an RR Sport and Disco Sport....
http://www.landrover.com.au/vehicles/all-new-discovery/index.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Revealed%20All-New%20Discovery%20OWNERS%20%20PROSPECTS&utm_content=Revealed%20All-New%20Discovery%20OWNERS%20%20PROSPECTS+CID_94da4bfd656d851de6010aba825c8941&utm_source=Email%20marketing (http://www.landrover.com.au/vehicles/all-new-discovery/index.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Revealed%20All-New%20Discovery%20OWNERS%20%20PROSPECTS&utm_content=Revealed%20All-New%20Discovery%20OWNERS%20%20PROSPECTS+CID_94da4bfd656d851de6010aba825c8941&utm_source=Email%20marketing)
Post by: GeoffA on September 29, 2016, 01:22:33 PM
Looks like a cross between an RR Sport and Disco Sport....
....and a Territory....
Post by: Steffo1 on September 29, 2016, 01:27:46 PM
Steve
Post by: Ben.Archer on September 29, 2016, 01:29:12 PM
"Advanced Tow Assist allows you to control the direction of your trailer when reversing by using the rotary Terrain Response 2 controller. The optional system will control the vehicle's steering to achieve the desired trailer trajectory. The Touchscreen will display the current and desired trailer trajectory."
So you can steer the trailer in reverse, by turning the joystick rather than needing to have any skill.....
Post by: Steffo1 on September 29, 2016, 01:33:47 PM
Post by: scblack on September 29, 2016, 01:48:56 PM
I love the laziness of this feature:That's a FANTASTIC feature. Many people have ZERO interest or need to reverse a trailer much at all. If a person only tows rarely this reduces the stress and/or possible danger involved with a task they may feel uncomfortable with.
"Advanced Tow Assist allows you to control the direction of your trailer when reversing by using the rotary Terrain Response 2 controller. The optional system will control the vehicle's steering to achieve the desired trailer trajectory. The Touchscreen will display the current and desired trailer trajectory."
So you can steer the trailer in reverse, by turning the joystick rather than needing to have any skill.....
A great selling feature to people who don't tow much.
Post by: GeoffA on September 29, 2016, 02:15:13 PM
:cheers:
Post by: Bird on September 29, 2016, 02:38:12 PM
Quote from: GeoffA
IMO......if people need this, and/or park assist, they shouldn't be driving or towing.x every number x every other number x itself.
just building things to suit the dumbest people...
Post by: scblack on September 29, 2016, 02:55:15 PM
IMO......if people need this, and/or park assist, they shouldn't be driving or towing.I don't disagree, but its a great selling feature. Many will buy it for that reason alone.
:cheers:
Post by: Bird on September 29, 2016, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: scblack
I don't disagree, but its a great selling feature. Many will buy it for that reason alone.Brilliant till it ****s up and they are stuck and cant do Shit...
... it shouldn't be a feature. People should learn how to drive.. be taught more than how to pass their lessons.
How the **** is reverse assist etc going to make better drivers ???
Post by: scblack on September 29, 2016, 03:09:53 PM
Brilliant till it ****s up and they are stuck and cant do Shit...Once again I don't disagree. I reckon there should be a towing licence required (above a certain weight).
... it shouldn't be a feature. People should learn how to drive.. be taught more than how to pass their lessons.
How the **** is reverse assist etc going to make better drivers ???
Take it a step further:
Self-drive cars are here right now. It is the way of the future, for some people. That's way beyond a reverse parking feature.
With the way some people with licences drive, I would be extremely happy for them to have a robot-driven car.
Post by: Joff on September 29, 2016, 03:15:14 PM
Brilliant till it ****s up and they are stuck and cant do Shit...
... it shouldn't be a feature. People should learn how to drive.. be taught more than how to pass their lessons.
How the **** is reverse assist etc going to make better drivers ???
Yeah! ban all auto transmission! and while you're at it, ban syncros in manual transmissions too. And ABS! >:D
Post by: GeoffA on September 29, 2016, 03:27:53 PM
Yeah! ban all auto transmission! and while you're at it, ban syncros in manual transmissions too. And ABS! >:D
Happy with all that Joff.... ;D
Post by: Ben.Archer on September 29, 2016, 03:40:35 PM
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on September 29, 2016, 03:46:44 PM
Post by: Ben.Archer on September 29, 2016, 03:49:09 PM
It's only a much lighter vehicle before the front bar and winch and rear bar and extras get fitted.
If you can buy them......
I have had my D4 for two years and ARB only released the bar to fit the current face is a couple of weeks ago - mine was one of the first to get it fitted (or more correctly would have had it fitted if they hadn't bolloxed them up and produced a bar that wouldn't fit......)
Post by: paull on September 29, 2016, 04:19:38 PM
Back in 2009 I was originally looking for a late model D2 but in the end decided that for fractionally more money I'd rather have a brand new diesel JK Wrangler, and that served me very well.
Was looking for the JK's replacement a few months ago and looked at the D4 but to be honest was underwhelmed when I sat in it (the base model which is all I would be able to afford). Some elements in it actually felt flimsy & cheap which surprised me and it felt somehow smaller than I expected. In the end I decided the 200 Series suited my needs better despite Toyota's shall we say "conservative" approach to the way they spec their vehicles and not so conservative pricing.
Looking at the new Disco I'm not seeing anything that makes me regret my decision. It does look like a Territory, which looked good a decade ago but is looking a bit dated now. Definitely a backwards step in terms of styling but I guess that's what happens when they start chasing fuel economy figures.
As for the tech, I agree with what most others say here. Some tech is without doubt a good thing and makes cars (especially those pushing 3T) safer.......ABS, airbags, traction control. Others over time just have the the effect of reducing driver's basic skills, like self parking. If you can't park, which is an easily controllable manoeuvre at slow speed, then you should't be allowed to drive a car at any speed. That new reversing idea is another case of this, and to my mind also potentially dangerous. Instead if using your windows and mirrors to see where you are going and what is around you as you normally would when reversing a trailer, you will instead have all you're attention focus down in the centre of the console. It'll be a lot more difficult to monitor your surroundings while reversing using that.
Post by: Bird on September 29, 2016, 04:41:35 PM
Yeah! ban all auto transmission! and while you're at it, ban syncros in manual transmissions too. And ABS! >:DAND RUBBER TYRES.. ALL WOOD!
Post by: Robbo on September 29, 2016, 05:12:44 PM
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Post by: Joff on September 29, 2016, 07:05:46 PM
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Isnt that where some would have us go? :cheers:
No, of course not. They just want us to go back to where their level of driving skill alows them to feel competent but anyone who comes along later could not. For me, if i were like that, it would be when you had to pump the go peddle in the morning or the thing wouldnt start. You had to man handle the wheel around putting muscles in your Shit coz you ran 305s and a 13" SAAS wheel with no power assist. When your brakes didn't and even when they did they dragged you left or right. When checking the oil, brake fluid, coolant and even tyre pressure was a weekly thing even in a new car. And when we all thought bigger was safer and crumple rate was how fast you could cleen up on Chrstmas morning.
But i distinctly remember my uncle saying, when he saw my dads new VB Commodore. Those retractable seatbelts will get you killed!
Driving a car is a dying skill just. Itll be just dialing a phone. :-[
Post by: Foo on September 29, 2016, 07:17:09 PM
Foo
Your worst nightmare is behind you. 😈
Post by: GeoffA on September 29, 2016, 07:37:35 PM
....They just want us to go back to where their level of driving skill alows them to feel competent but anyone who comes along later could not.....
Not really Joff, but I do see your point.
I'd prefer people develop the skills, than have technology mask the lack thereof.
Parking and reversing are basics, just like driving forward. Anyone can learn.
My 2c...
Post by: Peeb on September 30, 2016, 12:07:14 PM
In the UK you do need a special licence to tow a combined mass over 3500 kg. Wait until they try that here...
The new Disco 5 is not a straight replacement for the old one. It's aimed more at the Q7, X5, XC90 crowd. The specs on the Land Rover Australia site may change but if they don't then this car will not be bought by people who want to tow a van.
For a start, it is no longer has proper 4WD. You can spec it with a low range transfer box if you wish but it does not come with one as standard. Let me repeat that: you can buy a LR Discovery that DOES NOT HAVE LOW RANGE. Now this is not being done in the same vein as VW do with the auto Amarok. It is because LR do not expect people to take this car off the tarmac.
Secondly, the tow ball mass is only 200 kg. As I said above that may change by the time the car goes on sale in Aus in the same way the last Toureg changed its ball weight over night from 150 kg to 350 kg. However the LR site also states that the maximun towing mass drops from 3500 kg to 2500 kg if you want 7 seats and Aero wheels with low rolling resistance tyres.
I've heard that the new Defender is the go to vehicle if you want a LR competitor to the Land cruiser for towing and going off road. You could still spec up a Disco for proper off road and towing but unless they change the tow ball spec you will be stuck at 200 kg on the ball.
I suppose it will be OK if the Defender addresses all of that and doesn't come with bloody 20" wheels!
Post by: Joff on September 30, 2016, 07:16:52 PM
Post by: speewa158 on September 30, 2016, 07:25:19 PM
Post by: Joff on September 30, 2016, 07:27:19 PM
Post by: Bird on September 30, 2016, 07:27:31 PM
Quote from: Peeb
For a start, it is no longer has proper 4WD. You can spec it with a low range transfer box if you wish but it does not come with one as standard.A 4wd ROTFLMAO! What a Shitbox.. whats the point in the thing if it doesn't have 4wd.
Its a lost cause. but all manufacturers are heading that way... Long live old 4wds!
Post by: GeoffA on September 30, 2016, 07:33:18 PM
... Long live old 4wds!
;D ;D
Post by: Bird on September 30, 2016, 07:38:58 PM
Quote from: GeoffA
;D ;Dand it will be no cheaper without transfer case than it is now LMAO! Come in sucker..
Post by: cheif carlos on September 30, 2016, 10:30:44 PM
Post by: GeoffA on October 01, 2016, 06:40:54 AM
.....and how do you get 6.2lt/100! That's a third less than my cruiser!
Lemme guess.....smaller engine, smaller car...... ???
A cruiser is not a yardstick for economy.
Post by: Steffo1 on October 01, 2016, 08:55:36 AM
A cruiser is not a yardstick for economy.Maybe not, but I love them!
They give me this warm, fuzzy feeling when I compare what people say they get out of them to my old Disco. ;D ;D ;D
I filled up to 1st click at home, got to Rocky with trippo showing 630k & took 55 litres at 1st click i.e. 11.7 k to the litre or 8.7/100
Steve
Post by: Bird on October 01, 2016, 12:41:49 PM
Quote from: cheif carlos
Way too much glass for here, and how do you get 6.2lt/100! That's a third less than my cruiser!
Like most figures manufacturers and people sprout.. its called bullShit.