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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: KingBilly on July 11, 2016, 09:06:38 PM
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http://www.caradvice.com.au/460833/mazda-and-isuzu-announce-ute-deal/ (http://www.caradvice.com.au/460833/mazda-and-isuzu-announce-ute-deal/)
Mazda has announced that its next-generation BT-50 ute will be based on the next Isuzu D-Max, signalling a shift away from a long-running arrangement with Ford.
The two Japanese companies today announced a “basic agreement” that will see Isuzu produce the next generation of Mazda utes, based on Isuzu’s pickup model.
The newly minted (tentative) deal between Mazda and Isuzu will “allow… Isuzu to enhance its product competitiveness and Mazda to strengthen its product line-up and maintain own-brand market coverage".
KB
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And another interesting bit of speculation from the same article
The deal also continues the trend of big car-makers sharing platforms. As we know, Renault and Mercedes-Benz are making utes spun off the Nissan NP300 Navara, a model which is also tipped to be the platform source for the next Mitsubishi Triton.
KB
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Interesting
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so, D-Max engine, chassis and drivetrain with BT50 styling?
an interesting combo...
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Probably a good mix. I'll hold off replacing mine for a while longer
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so, D-Max engine, chassis and drivetrain with BT50 styling?
an interesting combo...
Exactly, I have always loved the Isuzu engineering - it is usually simple, robust and appear to have been built to be thrashed. Exactly what you want from a vehicle, however their styling is utilitarian if not dull. SO mix that with mazda styling and you should be onto a winner..
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Exactly, I have always loved the Isuzu engineering - it is usually simple, robust and appear to have been built to be thrashed. Exactly what you want from a vehicle, however their styling is utilitarian if not dull. SO mix that with mazda styling and you should be onto a winner..
the price was the only thing stopping me from getting a DMax in the first place when i got my bt50...
i do love the bt50 engine, though... :)
will be very curious to see how this partnership ends up...
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the price was the only thing stopping me from getting a DMax in the first place when i got my bt50...
i do love the bt50 engine, though... :)
will be very curious to see how this partnership ends up...
Interesting. For me the dmax was heaps cheaper.
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Where to for Holden? Weren't they looking to realign with Izuzu for the next Gen Colorado?
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Interesting. For me the dmax was heaps cheaper.
in mackay, DMax was $10000 dearer for similar-ish spec at time of purchase (2012)...
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Isuzu make the best diesel engines. Don't get sucked into the torque battles, these things pull like buggery. They also don't have stupid oil refill times. They also have a B10 rating of 500,000kms. They also build trucks properly with things like proper bash plates and diff breathers as standard. If I could have afforded one, I would have bought one.
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And another interesting bit of speculation from the same article
The deal also continues the trend of big car-makers sharing platforms. As we know, Renault and Mercedes-Benz are making utes spun off the Nissan NP300 Navara, a model which is also tipped to be the platform source for the next Mitsubishi Triton.
KB
Yeah with R&D costs approaching $500mil per vehicle its the way of the future I think - share costs and aim for broad customer base. Sadly this means more generic, 'same same but different' vehicles designed for mass market appeal. The days of the specialist cars are fast disappearing.
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.... I'll hold off replacing mine for a while longer
Think I will too......
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Hope the styling isnt done by mazda, bt50 is one of the ugliest designs. Ford got the ranger right though.
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Hope the styling isnt done by mazda, bt50 is one of the ugliest designs. Ford got the ranger right though.
Thats interesting I chose the Mazda because it was distinctive whereas I think the Ranger is bland, each to his own I quess
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Thats interesting I chose the Mazda because it was distinctive whereas I think the Ranger is bland, each to his own I quess
agreed... i don't mind the design... the ford looks a bit too american for me...
but, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say... :)
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I do hope it lifts the styling a bit
Test drove a new ranger on the weekend
Got back in the Dmax and while she has been a faithful steed it felt agricultural in comparison
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Isuzu make the best Japanese diesel engines.
That I'll agree with, and I don't even like diesel engines >:D
Isuzu have done since the 80's.
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Had a Ranger, best thing I did was buy a Dmax, pulls hard, drives well and $$$ cheaper than both Ranger/BT50, all over a better 4wd IMHO. Each to there own but the $$$ difference cannot be justified.
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agreed... i don't mind the design... the ford looks a bit too american for me...
but, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say... :)
Both basically the same , Ford kills the BT in sales , the market decided eh !
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Does the Colorado have the Isuzu motor? I was told by a dealer the Colorado now has a Fiat diesel but we know what dealers will say.
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Colorado is running a VMotori diesel the same as the Jeep Wrangler diesel, so its not a Fiat motor but fiat get to use it due to the automotive partnerships. Wish they both came out with V6 version of that motor that you see in the current Grand Cherokees...there are absolute gems of motor!
Matt.
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Both basically the same , Ford kills the BT in sales , the market decided eh !
It has a down graded suspension to the BT. ;)
Foo
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It has a down graded suspension to the BT. ;)
Foo
?? Really, what's the difference?
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?? Really, what's the difference?
speaking from the BT50 side of the fence, it has a much stiffer suspension setup than the ranger... IMO...
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Colorado is running a VMotori diesel the same as the Jeep Wrangler diesel, so its not a Fiat motor but fiat get to use it due to the automotive partnerships. Wish they both came out with V6 version of that motor that you see in the current Grand Cherokees...there are absolute gems of motor!
Matt.
VM must have lifted their game, they were fitted to Range Rover's in late 80's and in the Jeep in the mid 90's and they were buckets of crap.
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VM must have lifted their game, they were fitted to Range Rover's in late 80's and in the Jeep in the mid 90's and they were buckets of crap.
You mean 1947, as that's how long they have been making successful direct injection diesel engines! Only thing wrong with early 2.5 TDi VMs were the new diesel owners (old petrol) and lack of understanding and servicing haha and yes they have only gotten better with age. Millions of km in London taxis and plenty of industrial and marine applications as well. Leaves just about every current comparitable 4cyl dual cab 4x4 in its dust and even some of the bigger ones.
Some good you tube vids of CRDs beating V8 petrols at the drags and a co-worker just left his sons V8 CRD Landcruiser for dead in a reluctant (Young Landcruiser owner begged for it) drag race with the new V6 in a Grand Cherokee. So yeah they must certainly have lifted their game...or just gained the recognition they deserved from the haters. Hahahah
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R 315 SOHC Edit
1.5 L (1,493 cc or 91.1 cu in) I3, with a single overhead camshaft, four valves-per-cylinder, and common-rail direct fuel injection.
This engine was designed in 1998 with the related 4-cylinder variant R 420 SOHC. In 1999 VM granted Hyundai the license to manufacture both engines. Under terms of the agreement, Hyundai was able to manufacture the engines only to power its vehicles, while VM was free to grant other license agreements also in Korea, as happened in 2004 with GM Daewoo.[1]
Further evolutions were named RA 315 (Euro 4 compliant, up to 105 PS (77 kW; 104 hp) ) and A 315 (Euro 5 compliant, up to 115 PS (85 kW; 113 hp) ).
Applications:
Hyundai Accent (power: 90 hp (60 kW); torque: 133 lb·ft(180 N m))
Hyundai Matrix (power: 90 hp (60 kW); torque: 133 lb·ft(180 N m))
Hyundai Getz (power: 90 hp (60 kW); torque: 133 lb·ft(180 N m))k
HR 392 SOHC Edit
92 by 89.2 millimetres (3.62 in × 3.51 in) bore and stroke, 1.8 L (1,779 cc or 108.6 cu in) I3, of an OHV pushrod design with two valves per cylinder. The block was cast iron, with an alloy head. It featured a four main bearing crankshaft, a balance shaft, and a Bosch VE3/10 fuel injection pump. A KKK 14 turbocharger was used, with an intercooler for the facelifted 'Nuova 33' of 1990.[2] Although out of production, this was the biggest three-cylinder engine ever made for a car.
Applications:
1986—1989 Alfa Romeo 33 Series II 73 PS (54 kW) at 4,200 rpm and 178 N·m (131 lbf·ft) at 2,400 rpm[3]
1990.01—1995 Alfa Romeo 33 Series III 84 PS (62 kW) at 4,200 rpm and 178 N·m (131 lbf·ft) at 2,400 rpm[4]
4 Cylinder Edit
RA 420 SOHC Edit
2.0 L (1,991 cc or 121.5 cu in) I4, with four valves-per-cylinder and common-rail direct fuel injection. Produced by GM Korea.
Applications:
Chevrolet Cruze, power: 110 kW (150 PS), torque: 320 N·m (240 lb·ft)
Daewoo Lacetti/Daewoo Nubira II/Chevrolet Optra, power: 89 kW (121 PS), torque: 280 N·m (210 lb·ft)
Daewoo Tosca/Chevrolet Epica, power: 110 kW (150 PS), torque: 320 N·m (240 lb·ft)
Daewoo Winstorm/Chevrolet Captiva, power: 110 kW (150 PS), torque: 320 N·m (240 lb·ft), engine code: Z 20 S1.
Hyundai Elantra XD, power: 82 kW (111 PS); torque: 250 N·m (180 lb·ft)
Hyundai i30 FD, power: 103 kW (140 PS); torque: 305 N·m (225 lb·ft) (pre-facelift models)
Hyundai Sonata NF, power: 103 kW (140 PS) (pre-facelift models) / 110 kW (150 PS) (facelift models); torque: 305 N·m (225 lb·ft)
Hyundai Tucson JM, power: 82 kW (111 PS), 103 kW (140 PS) or 110 kW (150 PS) depending onodel year; torque: 250 N·m (180 lb·ft) or 305 N·m (225 lb·ft)
Hyundai Santa Fe SM, power: 82 kW (111 PS); torque: 250 N·m (180 lb·ft)
Hyundai Santa Fe CM, power: 103 kW (140 PS) or 110 kW (150 PS); torque: 305 N·m (225 lb·ft)
Hyundai Trajet, power: 82 kW (111 PS); torque: 250 N·m (180 lb·ft)
Kia Cerato/Spectra LD, power: 82 kW (111 PS); torque: 250 N·m (180 lb·ft)
Kia cee'd ED, power: 103 kW (140 PS); torque: 305 N·m (225 lb·ft)
Kia Optima/Magentis MG, power: 103 kW (140 PS) (pre-facelift models) / 88 kW (120 PS), or 100 kW (136 PS) or 110 kW (150 PS) (facelift models); torque: 305 N·m (225 lb·ft)
Kia Carens FC, power: 82 kW (111 PS); torque: 250 N·m (180 lb·ft)
Kia Carens UN, power: 103 kW (140 PS); torque: 305 N·m (225 lb·ft)
Kia Sportage JE, power 82 kW (111 PS), 103 kW (140 PS) or 110 kW (150 PS) depending on model year; torque: 250 N·m (180 lb·ft) or 305 N·m (225 lb·ft)
Opel Antara, power: 110 kW (150 PS), torque: 320 N·m (240 lb·ft)
HR 488 OHV Edit
2.0 L (1,995 cc or 121.7 cu in) I4, with two (pushrod-actuated) valves-per-cylinder and indirect fuel injection from Bosch (Spica in earlier versions). 88.0 x 82.0 mm. This engine, developed for Alfa Romeo in 1979,[5] is also known as the VM80A and VM4 HT. Usually with KKK 16 turbochargers.
Applications:
1985.05–1992.02 Alfa Romeo 75, 95 PS (70 kW) at 4,300 rpm and 192 N·m (142 lb·ft) at 2,300 rpm
1979.10–1984.12 Alfa Romeo Alfetta, 82 PS (60 kW) at 4,300 rpm and 162 N·m (119 lb·ft) at 2,300 rpm[6]
1983.03–1985.05 Alfa Romeo Giulietta, 82 PS (60 kW) at 4,300 rpm and 162 N·m (119 lb·ft) at 2,300 rpm[7]
1984 FSO Polonez, 84 PS (62 kW) at 4,300 rpm and 162 N·m (119 lb·ft) at 2,500 rpm
HR 492 OHV Edit
2.4 L (2,393 cc or 146.0 cu in) I4, with two (pushrod-actuated) valves-per-cylinder and indirect fuel injection (Bosch VE 4/10, Spica in some earlier applications). 92.0 x 90.0 mm. This engine is also known as the VM81A and VM4 HT 2.4. At first the 2.4 used KKK 24 turbochargers, later KKK 16s were installed for higher output.
Applications:
1988.10–1992.02 Alfa Romeo 75, 112 PS (82 kW) at 4,200 rpm and 240 N·m (177 lb·ft) at 2,400 rpm
1984.10–1987.01 Alfa Romeo 90, 110 PS (81 kW) at 4,200 rpm and 235 N·m (173 lb·ft) at 2,300 rpm[8]
1983.04–1984.12 Alfa Romeo Alfetta, 95 PS (70 kW) at 4,200 rpm and 186 N·m (137 lb·ft) at 2,400 rpm[6]
1984 Delta Mini Cruiser/Explorer, 100 PS (74 kW) at 4,200 rpm[9]
1986–1989.10 Range Rover, 106 PS (78 kW) at 4,200 rpm and 238 N·m (176 lb·ft) at 2,400 rpm[10]
1982.04–1986.10 Rover 2400 SD Turbo (SD1), 67 kW (90 bhp) at 4,000 rpm and 192 N·m (142 lb·ft) at 2,350 rpm[11]
1986-? UAZ 469B, 97 PS (71 kW) at 4,200 rpm and 216 N·m (159 lb·ft) at 2,300 rpm (installed for the Italian market by importer V. Martorelli)[12]
425 OHV Edit
2.5 L (2,499 cc or 152.5 cu in) I4, with two (pushrod-actuated) valves-per-cylinder and indirect fuel injection. 92.0 x 94.0 mm, the engine size is variably referred to as either 2,500 or 2,499 cc. This engine too has been called HR 492, signifying four cylinders of 92 mm bore. Timing gears, not belt.
Applications:
1994–1998 Alfa Romeo 155, 125 PS (92 kW) at 4,200 rpm and 294 N·m (217 lb·ft) at 2,000 rpm
1987–1992 Alfa Romeo 164, 114–117 PS (84–86 kW) at 4,200 rpm and 258 N·m (190 lb·ft) at 2,500 rpm (HR492/VM84A/VM08)
1992–1998 Alfa Romeo 164, 125 PS (92 kW) at 4,200 rpm and 294 N·m (217 lb·ft) at 2,000 rpm (HS492/VM32)
1991–2000 Chrysler Voyager, 118 PS (87 kW) and 262 N·m (193 lb·ft)
1999–2000 Dodge Dakota, 114 hp (85 kW) and 300 N·m (221 lb·ft)
1991-1995 Dodge Caravan C/V (U.S. fleets only), 118 PS (87 kW) and 262 N·m (193 lb·ft)
1993-1999 Ford Scorpio
1996–2000 GAZ GAZelle, 101 hp (75 kW); torque: 232 N·m (171 lb·ft)
1994–2001 Jeep Cherokee, 118 hp (88 kW) at 4,000 rpm and 300 N·m (221 lb·ft) at 2,000 rpm
1995–1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 114 hp (85 kW) and 300 N·m (221 lb·ft)
1989.10-1992 Range Rover, 121 PS (89 kW; 119 bhp) at 4,200 rpm and 284 N·m (209 lb·ft) at 1,950 rpm[13]
1990–1999 Rover 800, 118 bhp, latterly 120 bhp (87-88 kW) and 268 N·m (198 lb·ft) at 2,100 rpm[14]
1997–2000 UAZ 3160, 101 hp (75 kW) and 232 N·m (171 lb·ft)
1995 V.M.C 2500 Turbotronic, 117 PS (86 kW) at 4,200 rpm and 235 N·m (173 lb·ft) at 2,200 rpm
This engine was also used in some early Toyota Land Cruisers & Hilux, and Opel Fronteras.
The 425 OHV used in Chrysler Voyager 1991–2000 only 1996 and 1997 was with chain.
Between 1997 and 2001 this engine was manufactured at "Detroit Diesel Motores do Brasil" in Curitiba, Parana, Brazil. The plant was eventually sold to Perkins after the Dodge Dakota stopped production locally.
R 425 OHV Edit
425 OHV fitted with direct fuel injection for cleaner emissions.
Applications: Rover 800 late models circa 1998
R 425 DOHC Edit
2.5 L (2,499 cc or 152.5 cu in) I4, with four valves-per-cylinder and common-rail direct fuel injection. Also available with variable geometry turbocharger (VGT) with upgraded power output of 120 kW (163 PS).[15]
Applications:
2001–2007 Chrysler Voyager Manual (power: 141 hp (105 kW); torque: 251 lb·ft (340 Nm))
2002–2004 Jeep Cherokee (power: 141 hp (105 kW); torque: 251 lb·ft (340 Nm))
2006- LDV Maxus[16] (power: 118 hp (88 kW) at 4,000 rpm; torque: 221 lb·ft (300 Nm) at 2,000 rpm)
A derated version of this engine putting out 100 hp was chosen in 2006 to power the new generation of the iconic London Taxi (the TX4).
R 428 DOHC Edit
R 425 DOHC enlarged to 2.8 L (2,766 cc or 168.8 cu in) displacement.
Applications:
2001–2007 Chrysler Voyager (Automatic transmission) (power: 150 hp (110 kW); torque: 251 lb·ft(360 Nm))
2001–2004 Jeep Cherokee/Liberty (power: 150 hp (110 kW); torque: 251 lb·ft(360 Nm)). Only in Europe
2005–2007 Jeep Cherokee/Liberty (power: 163 hp (120 kW); torque: 295 lb·ft(400 Nm))
2008–2010 (mod. RA 428 DOHC) Jeep Cherokee/Liberty (power: 177 hp (130 kW); torque: 302/339 lb·ft(410/460 Nm))
2004–present BMC Megastar (power: 127 hp (95 kW); torque: 184 lb·ft(250 Nm))
2007–2010 (mod. RA 428 DOHC) Dodge Nitro (power: 177 hp (130 kW); torque: 302/339 lb·ft(410/460 Nm))
2007–2010 (mod. RA 428 DOHC) Jeep Wrangler (power: 177 hp (130 kW); torque: Manual transmission: 302 lb·ft or 410 N·m automatic transmission: 339 lb·ft or 460 N·m))
2008–2011 (mod. RA 428 DOHC) Chrysler Grand Voyager (Automatic transmission) power: 163 hp (120 kW); torque: 295 lb·ft or 400 N·m))
2012-2013 (mod R 428 DOHC) General Motors Colorado & Holden Colorado & Nova S10(Brazil) (Manual and Automatic) 180HP Torque 470Nm
A 428 DOHC Edit
Evolution of R428 DOHC with 1800 bar common rail injection system and piezoelectric injectors
Applications:
2010–2012 Jeep Cherokee (power: 200 PS (147 kW); torque: Manual transmission: 302 lb·ft or 410 N·m automatic transmission: 339 lb·ft or 460 N·m))
2010–present Jeep Wrangler (power: 200 PS (147 kW); torque: Manual transmission: 302 lb·ft or 410 N·m automatic transmission: 339 lb·ft or 460 N·m))
2011–2013 Chrysler Grand Voyager/Lancia Voyager (power: 163 PS (120 kW); torque: 360 N·m)
2013–present Chrysler Grand Voyager/Lancia Voyager (power: 178 PS (131 kW); torque: 360 N·m)
2013–present Holden Colorado, Holden Colorado 7 (power 147 kW); 500Nm (Updated November 2013)
2014–present General Motors, Holden Colorado, Isuzu Colorado & Holden Colorado & Nova S10(Brazil) (power:200HP Torque:510Nm)
5 Cylinder Edit
HR 588 OHV Edit
2.5 L (2,494 cc or 152.2 cu in) inline-five, with two (pushrod-actuated) valves-per-cylinder and indirect fuel injection from either Bosch or Spica. 88.0 x 82.0 mm. This engine is a five-cylinder version of the 2-litre HR488, and also uses KKK turbochargers.
Applications:
1983–1986.05 Alfa Romeo Alfa 6, 112 PS (82 kW) at 4,200 rpm and 240 N·m (177 lb·ft) at 2,400 rpm[17]
1987-? Toyota Land Cruiser II BJ73, 99 PS (73 kW) at 4,000 rpm and 220 N·m (162 lb·ft) at 2,600 rpm (Italian market only)[18]
531 OHV Edit
Essentially a 425 OHV with an extra cylinder. 3.1 L (3,125 cc or 190.7 cu in) I5, with two (pushrod-actuated) valves-per-cylinder and indirect fuel injection.
Applications:
1999–2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee (power: 138 hp or 103 kW; torque: 283 lb·ft or 384 N·m))
R 531 OHV Edit
531 OHV I5 engine, fitted with direct fuel injection.
Applications:
6 Cylinder Edit
638 OHV Edit
Essentially a 531 OHV with an extra cylinder. 3.8 L (3,749 cc or 228.8 cu in) inline-six, with two (pushrod-actuated) valves-per-cylinder and indirect fuel injection.
Applications:
1995–1999 Asia Motors Combi (power: 135 hp (101 kW); torque: 236 lb·ft (320 N m))
1995–2000 Bucher-Guyer Duro (power: 148 hp (110 kW); torque: 251 lb·ft or 340 N·m))
1999 Bering trucks (power: 116 hp or 87 kW; torque: 295 lb·ft or 400 N·m))
Also used by BMW Marine as a 180 HP stern-drive package.
R 638 OHV Edit
638 OHV fitted with direct fuel injection.
Applications:
D 642 OHV Edit
Essentially an R 638 OHV enlarged to 4.2 L (4,164 cc or 254.1 cu in) displacement. It was the first VM Motori engine to feature direct fuel injection.
Applications:
2001–2002 Bucher-Guyer Duro (power: 158 hp (118 kW); torque: 295 lb·ft (400 N m))
RA 629 DOHC Edit
A planned 2.9 L (2,935 cc or 179.1 cu in) double overhead camshaft V6, featuring four valves-per-cylinder and common-rail direct fuel injection
A 3.0 L (2,987 cc or 182.3 cu in) double overhead camshaft V6, featuring four valves-per-cylinder and common-rail direct fuel injection. A variant complying with the emission norms of the North America market (NAFTA) is codenamed L630 DOHC and marketed by Chrysler as the EcoDiesel. The high-performance, single turbo version is codenamed as A630 DOHC HP.[19]
A630 applications (EU):
2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee
power 241 PS (177 kW), torque 406 lb·ft (550 N m)
2012 Chrysler 300 /Lancia Thema (Europe)
power 190 PS (140 kW; 190 hp) @ 4000 rpm, torque 440 N·m (320 lb·ft) @ 1600-2800 rpm
power 239 PS (176 kW; 236 hp) @ 4000 rpm, torque 550 N·m (410 lb·ft) @ 1800-2800 rpm
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee (FPT Multijet II)
power 250 PS (184 kW; 250 hp) @ 4000 rpm, torque 420 lb·ft (570 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
L630 applications (US):
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee
power 243 PS (179 kW; 240 hp) @ 3600 rpm, torque 420 lb·ft (570 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2014 Ram 1500
power 243 PS (179 kW; 240 hp) @ 3600 rpm, torque 420 lb·ft (570 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
A630 HP applications (EU):
2013 Maserati Ghibli III
power 275 PS (202 kW; 271 hp) @ 4000 rpm, torque 600 N·m (440 lb·ft) @ 2000 rpm
2013 Maserati Quattroporte VI
power 275 PS; 271 hp (202 kW) @ 4000 rpm, torque 600 N·m (440 lb·ft) @ 2000-2600 rpm
2016 Maserati Levante
power 250 PS; 247 hp (184 kW) @ 4000 rpm, torque 600 N·m (440 lb·ft) @ 2000-2600 rpm
power 275 PS; 271 hp (202 kW) @ 4000 rpm, torque 600 N·m (440 lb·ft) @ 2000-2600 rpm
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Hands up who read the whole of the last post. Yeah me neither
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Hands up who read the whole of the last post. Yeah me neither
I think is said the Fiat/Alfa/VM/Jeep/GM/Daewoo/Hyundai/whatever diesel motor in the Colorado uses oil and is pretty average, but I didn't read it all either :D
Dave
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I think is said the Fiat/Alfa/VM/Jeep/GM/Daewoo/Hyundai/whatever diesel motor in the Colorado uses oil and is pretty average, but I didn't read it all either :D
Dave
"Average and use oil"? Haha Damn obviously reading isn't a strong point. Didn't mention either of those as they don't, like any diesel, if serviced correctly. ;)
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"Average and use oil"? Haha Damn obviously reading isn't a strong point. Didn't mention either of those as they don't, like any diesel, if serviced correctly. ;)
Have a look on the Colorado facebook page or any forum and read about all the their issues. Oil usage is high amongst the complaints. But that is just what I have read. I don't own one. Nothing personal mate :cheers:
Dave
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I think you will find mazda will utilise isuzus new euro5 compliant 2.5 twin turbo diesel.
I hope these keep the awesome reliability that isuzu is renowned for.
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Have a look on the Colorado facebook page or any forum and read about all the their issues. Oil usage is high amongst the complaints. But that is just what I have read. I don't own one. Nothing personal mate :cheers:
Dave
Exactly, that's how the Internet is..all the millions of owners all get online and tell you how great there engine is and how it's never had a single issue....nope the empty can rattles the most. :)
You also have to take into account that sometime the engines are made under license and not actually by the OEM and to their exact standards. Ie Holden making diesels...Craptiva?? bwahahaha
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speaking from the BT50 side of the fence, it has a much stiffer suspension setup than the ranger... IMO...
So which one is the downgrade?? and why is it a 'downgrade' and not just different valving or spring rate? Serious question.. I honestly didn't know there was a difference.
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I had a MY14 mod Colorado. ??? Hope the new ones are better than that
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So which one is the downgrade?? and why is it a 'downgrade' and not just different valving or spring rate? Serious question.. I honestly didn't know there was a difference.
Depends on what you want, I guess... Everyone has a different opinion about how they want their setup to be...
I don't know the specifics of the setup, but having driven both, the ranger seems softer to me in standard spec... Not sure why...
I like the BT50... Yes, the suspension is a bit stiffer, but it wasn't a deal breaker for me...
I wouldn't call either one a downgrade, I would just call it different.