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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: prodigyrf on February 14, 2016, 10:38:54 AM
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So you're a hard core nicotine addict in the clutches of Big Tobacco and Big Gummint addicted to ever increasing excise for your own good and you're wondering where will it all end? The poor house or the cancer ward? If you're not to be locked up for good along with the usual serial killers and paedophiles, etc with no time off for good taxing behaviour. You’ve been handling all that and the usual self-righteous nanny-staters and scolds but the fascist Greenshirts turning your own kids against you is the last straw. Well if not complete salvation there is at least a cure for leprosy and it lies in vaping your nicotine instead of imbibing it with burnt vegetable matter and those 4000 odd toxic chemicals you're so regularly badgered about. For over a year now I have seen the light with my 'aromatherapy with essential oils' so here's the good oil on that with harm minimization for all you hard core nicotine trogs-
http://ecigarettereviewed.com/top-20-rebuttals-to-win-an-e-cigarette-debate (http://ecigarettereviewed.com/top-20-rebuttals-to-win-an-e-cigarette-debate)
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review)
Well if that doesn't get your interest perhaps my experience with taking up vaping and saving at least $100/week will, along with no smoke, fire, ash, butts, passive smoking, smelling like an ashtray with your sense of taste and smell recovered and the rattle in the chest gone in a week. So how exactly did I do that over a year ago for the benefit of those lepers still puffing analogues?
Well the net is full of a world of vaping (some still prefer e-cigarettes but they're a minority) and the newbie will need to understand the differences in hardware and software (e-liquid or e-juice) and for that check out the videos on this site for starters- http://sociallites.com.au/ (http://sociallites.com.au/)
OK so from that Sociallites site you’ve worked out 2 main categories of vaping with-
1. Disposable cartomisers (cartridges) which come as a package deal with the heating coil, wicking and juice already combined
2. Clearomisers (that’s the glass bowl thingy so you can see the juice level) with separate replaceable atomizer ( heating coil and wicking assembly) and you add the nico juice of your choosing like ‘premium liquid from the Holy Land’ for instance- https://yaeliq.com/ (https://yaeliq.com/)
OK those cart jobs are convenient, cute and dainty but they’re relatively expensive so I chose the mainstream clearomiser way. Just let me say here I'm not pushing a particular brand or seller but I will talk about my ultimate choice after doing my homework, but bear in mind the videos and links will apply to any of the plethora of equipment and suppliers. They roll off the tongue like Kangertech, Kayfun, Joyetech, eGo, etc but I chose the Aspire Nautilus Mini because Aspire kicked it all off in 2007 and they make a simple, yet well developed, quality piece of hardware with great disposable atomizer coils that’s important if you’re to get over the early trials of making the switch to vaping permanently.
Righto you can google up the Aspire Nautilus Mini (essentially the same gear as the Aspire Nautilus but it holds 2ml of eliquid instead of the larger 5ml ) and check it all out with the Youtube wannabe stars and their reviews, etc but there’s some critical user tips and tricks to get a handle on with any gear and here’s the important lowdown on that (some specific to understanding the Aspire unit but some universal good oil too )-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsxOe-i0cXM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsxOe-i0cXM)
and you can follow his other links at the bottom of that video but particularly prepping the coil-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOK2T-YE8ss&list=UUESKSQEhl73ohAD9rnUM45Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOK2T-YE8ss&list=UUESKSQEhl73ohAD9rnUM45Q)
Yeah yeah I know he’s a bit of a pedantic old fart tech head (unlike the succinct, erudite prodigy of course), but do persevere as there’s some important wheat to be gleaned from among the chaff. I’ll talk some more about the software when you’ve got your head around the hardware but keep the faith that soon you too will be free at last from usurious excise and the usual suspects, free at last!
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We get a few people that use thes thingos come into work, doesnt help them though, theyre still banned from our companies non smoking areas.. Despite all their protests .. ;D
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How about just giving up smoking ::)
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How about just giving up smoking ::)
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How about giving up driving a polluting diesel
Just do it ;D
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Illegal in Oz?
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Illegal in Oz?
Nah you can still drive a diesel in Oz...
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Nah you can still drive a diesel in Oz...
Vaping ya pillock ;D
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Vaping ya pillock ;D
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haha, yeah it appears the laws regarding the sale of nicotine type ones are varied between the states, but seem to be illegal in all/most states. Acually reading this, which is not an official guide, they seem to be all over the place.
https://www.vapingmad.com.au/e-cig-nicotine-laws/ (https://www.vapingmad.com.au/e-cig-nicotine-laws/)
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I was actually amazed at how many vaping forums there are on Tapatalk.
Risk now is they blow up in your face.
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I didn't see them make any mention of Diacetyl? Tastes good and harmless if ingested but pretty bloody nasty when inhaled!
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I gave up the cigs 6 times before I quit for good 10years ago. So I know it's not easy. A few at work use these now. At least the smell of stale cigarette smoke is diminished.
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As an aside, I just saw the below from a blog I subscribe to which gives some reasonable impartial comments.
http://www.genre.com/knowledge/blog/e-cigarettes-how-safe-is-the-safer-alternative-en.html (http://www.genre.com/knowledge/blog/e-cigarettes-how-safe-is-the-safer-alternative-en.html)
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When I saw the heading " Vaping" at first I thought it was to do with spray cans and plastic bags ... Had a bloke at work doing that with deoderant sprays ...
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I've been on the E cigs for 3 years now and haven't looked back . Started with Greensmoke out of the states until they stopped sending to Oz. Am now using easypuff from N.Z.
No more death rattle in the mornings. Works for me.
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Arguing that ecigs are safer than cigs is like arguing that 5.56 mm rounds are safer than .50 cal. Either one will kill you, there is no safe level of smoking!
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When I saw the heading " Vaping" at first I thought it was to do with spray cans and plastic bags ... Had a bloke at work doing that with deoderant sprays ...
Lol me too !
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Arguing that ecigs are safer than cigs is like arguing that 5.56 mm rounds are safer than .50 cal. Either one will kill you, there is no safe level of smoking!
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Lmao yes but I guess if I had to have somebody shooting at me I'd want them using 5.56 :D
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Arguing that ecigs are safer than cigs is like arguing that 5.56 mm rounds are safer than .50 cal. Either one will kill you, there is no safe level of smoking!
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Except ecigs don't produce smoke, they produce a vapour which doesn't contain all the carsinogens you find in cigarette smoke.
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I am sure they are quite safe apart from:
- the fact that they aren't regulated by the FDA in the US or TGA here so you can't tell what's in them. More so if buying off e-bay;
- Nicotine is classified as a dangerous poison - too much can kill you - eg leaking canisters onto skin;
- Nicotine still affects the unborn (most of you on this thread are probably safe in that regard);
- they've found carcinogens including an ingredient used in antifreeze in two leading brands of e-cigarettes and 18 various cartridges;
- a 2014 study found that aerosol from e-cigarettes with a higher voltage level contains more formaldehyde, another carcinogen;
- the vapour exhaled still contains carcinogens (that's why they're not allowed in non-smoking areas);
- they're mostly illegal in Australia - The nicotine capsules for 'recreational use' are classed ‘Schedule 7 - Dangerous Poison’ under the national Poisons Standard . This means that the manufacture, sale and possession of this kind of recreational product is currently unlawful in all states and territories (unless an approval, authority/ licence/ permit (as the case may be) can be sought and is granted by the relevant state or territory authority)
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Yeah, they would have their own set of garbage in them too I guess, but I was mainly pointing out that it IS different than smoking, which has for more nasty crap in it...
I don't use ecigs anyway, I still smoke..
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How about just giving up smoking ::)
Oh you mean like the same advice you'd give to those on the Drunk Thread and the Weight Loss thread? It's like this puritans and God like perfect creatures. For some of us nicotine is our particular poison so vaping is about harm minimization for the currently addicted, just like light beer and low fat/sugar foods are for many others. So much for the ammunition calibre round analogy eh? It's not me saying that vaping is 95% safer than smoking but health experts surveying the facts, not that I needed their stamp of approval after a week of being off the smokes and vaping.
Oh but prodigy you can't be absolutely sure it's 100% safe so we need to ban it for your own good so you can go back on the smokes, patches, gum and inhalers I hear you say. Some methadone treatment perhaps? Yeah right you are there pisspots and fatties, etc and in case you haven't noticed it's the ice epidemic stoopids! As for the 100% safers or we ban it mentality, these are people who would never allow us to move from burning coal to natural gas until it was proven 100% safe. (they're probably diesel fourby owners running about with old cruisers because they've heard all about the hassles with EGR and DPFs on those new fangled EURO V jobs)
I assume we're all adults here with our particular feet of clay and I'll talk to those adults who would like to get some of the clay off and live and let live. You puritans and angels can go congregate on your own thread, but that won't be anywhere on Myswag because there's real people here with all their shortcomings and imperfections.
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Besides this society has a lot more things on its plate to worry about than a lot of prodigies running amok going cold turkey. Just ask the missus about that :cheers:
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Besides this society has a lot more things on its plate to worry about than a lot of prodigies running amok going cold turkey. Just ask the missus about that :cheers:
I tried numerous times to give up cold turkey, it was usually my mrs who who caved in first and told me to go buy some smokes. ;D I did give up using Champix, but it's horrible stuff that makes you feel like puking all the time, and gives you funny dreams like when Homer at that psychedelic chilli. I quit for about 4 years, but after being out of work for about 14 months I caved in again.
The mrs is pretty good though, she must be, because she always makes sure I take plenty of sinkers with me when I go rock fishing. She stuffs my pockets full of them because she knows you always lose a lot of gear fishing off the rocks.
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After trying various methods of quitting over the years it was my son who introduced me to vaping. Best thing I've ever done. Six months down the track I'm now a non smoker and also off of the vaping, so even if it wasn't that good for me in the short term, it sure as hell will be now. I highly recommend anyone looking to give up too give it a try.
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After trying numerous various methods of quitting over the years it was my son who introduced me to vaping. Best thing I've ever done. Six months down the track I'm now a non smoker and also off of the vaping, so even if it wasn't that good for me in the short term, it sure as hell will be now. I highly recommend anyone looking to give up too give it a try.
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That and your missus made you stop ;D but your so much nicer to kiss now xxxx
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After trying various methods of quitting over the years it was my son who introduced me to vaping. Best thing I've ever done. Six months down the track I'm now a non smoker and also off of the vaping, so even if it wasn't that good for me in the short term, it sure as hell will be now. I highly recommend anyone looking to give up too give it a try.
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how do you fell knowing your a quitter. next you will be driving a Datsun
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how do you fell knowing your a quitter. next you will be driving a Datsun
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As a nicotine addict you don't quit smoking anymore than an alcoholic quits drinking. You take up a non-smoking and like an alcoholic you need to appreciate that the next drink could see you back on the sauce. Longest I took up non-smoking was 4 years but a big bike ride up to Lake Eyre in flood put paid to that when the BIL and I were sitting in the William Creek pub caked in mud and enjoying a cold beer and he suggested it was Marlboro Country so what about a packet? Back on the smokes within a week like I'd never stopped and so was he for a number of years before a hiccup with an operation and anaesthetic and he took up non-smoking again ever since.
Now that flummoxed Yankee Sue that was particularly fond of her strawberry daiquiris among other alcoholic delights she liked to share with the girls (bear in mind while I could put away the booze with the best of them in my young biking days give me a coffee and a smoke by then and now a vape) Prrrardigeee (Yank drawl) how could you go back smoking after four whole years?? Well it's like this Sue. See that strawb daiquiri in your mitt, well you put that down right now and tell yourself not another drop of alcohol is going to pass those lips for the rest of your days and how do you reckon you'd go? Big light bulb humungous pennies dropping moment right there folks. Not a smoker or drinker but you're a bit too partial to the choccies or soft drink than is good for the waistline and the ticker there...?
So now we've got that all straightened out we can talk about harm minimization for nicotine lovers and those of you who have other wee pecadillos can get educated about that at the same time so you don't become a bunch of kneejerk wowsers still believing smoking and vaping are all one and the same. There are qualified medicos among others trying to make the ignorant see the light-
http://www.nnalliance.org.au/news (http://www.nnalliance.org.au/news)
But wait a minute shock horror we're all going to blow ourselves up along with a whole lot of fluffy kittens so the Gummint has to ban it!!
http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/25/man-left-with-horrific-burns-after-e-cigarette-blows-up-in-pocket-and-sets-fire-to-his-leg-5717749/ (http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/25/man-left-with-horrific-burns-after-e-cigarette-blows-up-in-pocket-and-sets-fire-to-his-leg-5717749/)
Yes folks the atomisers run off rechargeable lithium batteries but get this. You can use single purpose built lithium batteries with the 510 male protected end on them and they'll be quite safe to chuck in your pocket unattached to the clearomiser head and in any case you can turn them off as extra insurance. Nevertheless like mobile and laptop batteries and chargers you buy brand name ones(like Aspire, etc) from bricks and mortar stores because they have the same safety circuits too. What that dummy had in his pocket no doubt, were the other alternative 18650 lithium cells (similar to AAs) that you use inside of 'mod box' battery setups as well as torches, etc. Chucked a few of them without protection circuits in his pocket with a bunch of coins or his car keys did he? Would you do that with alkaline AAs even? Somewhere in the world there's one born every minute and I trust our bright spark is a much better civil engineer than he is an electrical one.
The missus GF has taken up vaping really well these last 2 weeks relying on my newbie advice and experience and I'll talk about that some more for the smokers wondering if it will suit them as I found there's a bit to it if you want to be really successful. Do it well first up but for now focus on that 95% safer, socially innocuous and bucket loads cheaper.
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I realized some of that electrical crap on ebay is not worth the savings after buying a couple of cheapy USB wall chargers and although no real dramas they both died within a month or so which left me thinking so much for their quality and safety and that was borne out later on-
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/warning-over-usb-chargers-after-woman-dies-from-apparent-electrocution-20140626-zsngd.html (http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/warning-over-usb-chargers-after-woman-dies-from-apparent-electrocution-20140626-zsngd.html)
Go support your local vape shop is my best advice as they know what will happen if they don't source the good gear, particularly the batteries and chargers.
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I did give up using Champix, but it's horrible stuff that makes you feel like puking all the time, and gives you funny dreams like when Homer at that psychedelic chilli.
I was lucky, I had no side effects whatever from champix, and is approaching 5 years. But it sent my wife crazy.
I'm in 2 minds on vaping, I like how it doesn't smell, but not sure about health side, haven't looked into it much but, if it's still legal to smoke durries, I have no problems with vaping
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One things for sure the new puritans are trying to tell you old analogue trogs something important-
"Smokers will pay up to 32c more tax for a packet of cigarettes under half-yearly excise changes, and they face another rise of up to $3 a pack in September.
The tax on a single cigarette is rising from 53c to 53.7c.
The March 1 tax hike will add 13c to a pack of 20 cigarettes, lifting the total excise collected to $10.75.
The government will take $13.43 in excise on a pack of 25 cigarettes, up 16c, while the taxman’s share of a pack of 30 cigarettes rises 19c to $16.12.
Smokers will cough up $21.49 for every pack of 40 cigarettes, up 25c, and the excise on a pack of 50 cigarettes rises 32c to $26.87.
Price changes may vary depending on competition, production costs, retail margins and the GST.
There will be a double rise in cigarette taxes in September when the next regular excise adjustment is made plus a 12.5 per cent hike under changes put in place by former treasurer Chris Bowen and maintained by the Coalition to raise an extra $5.3 billion from smokers over four years.
Labor proposes to keep increasing tobacco excise until 2020 beyond the regular excise rise if it wins the election to fund campaign promises."
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One things for sure the new puritans are trying to tell you old analogue trogs something important-
"Smokers will pay up to 32c more tax for a packet of cigarettes under half-yearly excise changes, and they face another rise of up to $3 a pack in September.
The tax on a single cigarette is rising from 53c to 53.7c.
The March 1 tax hike will add 13c to a pack of 20 cigarettes, lifting the total excise collected to $10.75.
The government will take $13.43 in excise on a pack of 25 cigarettes, up 16c, while the taxman’s share of a pack of 30 cigarettes rises 19c to $16.12.
Smokers will cough up $21.49 for every pack of 40 cigarettes, up 25c, and the excise on a pack of 50 cigarettes rises 32c to $26.87.
Price changes may vary depending on competition, production costs, retail margins and the GST.
There will be a double rise in cigarette taxes in September when the next regular excise adjustment is made plus a 12.5 per cent hike under changes put in place by former treasurer Chris Bowen and maintained by the Coalition to raise an extra $5.3 billion from smokers over four years.
Labor proposes to keep increasing tobacco excise until 2020 beyond the regular excise rise if it wins the election to fund campaign promises."
Sorry mate, who are you talking to?
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Bloody hell. E-cigs are blowing up in your face
http://m.thenewdaily.com.au/life/2016/02/29/call-reign-catastrophic-e-cigarettes/ (http://m.thenewdaily.com.au/life/2016/02/29/call-reign-catastrophic-e-cigarettes/)
"On Monday (AEDT), an e-cigarette exploded in Cassandra Kozio’s face, blowing out one of her teeth and then engulfing her car in flames.
Ms Hamilton’s injuries were extremely graphic, with images showing her teeth missing and face burnt."
And in your pocket:
http://youtu.be/k1LjSuq0rk8 (http://youtu.be/k1LjSuq0rk8)
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Sorry mate, who are you talking to?
That was a recent news clip quote about impending rises in tobacco excise although smokers will be reeling already, so I'm talking to those smokers that are addicted to nicotine like I am and seek that 95% safer ingestion method and like I do now, save myself at least $100/week (and that was savings from over a year ago when I ditched tobacco)
So we have 2 reports from around the whole wide world of battery explosions so let's deal with that as they're almost certainly unprotected mod batteries as you'll discover here-
http://www.vapefox.com.au/vaping-battery-guide-ezp-8.html (http://www.vapefox.com.au/vaping-battery-guide-ezp-8.html)
Don't piss around with unprotected mod batteries, etc unless you're absolutely sure of what it is you're doing, and for the civil engineers among you don't chuck a few 18650 batteries in your pocket along with your car keys and loose change or you might wish you'd studied electrical engineering instead. Stick to ego type electronic batteries and name brands from your local vape shop like these Aspire ones I just ordered-
http://www.vapeking.com.au/aspire-cf-vv-battery-carbon-fibre-1600mah/ (http://www.vapeking.com.au/aspire-cf-vv-battery-carbon-fibre-1600mah/)
They are used with the Aspire Nautilus and my Nautilus Mini and in conjunction with their genuine 1.6 or 1.8 ohm BVCs (Bottom Vertical Coils) and are designed with your complete safety and enjoyment in mind. Sub Ohm Mods, preparing your own wicks and winding your own coils, etc is strictly for well informed DIY experts in much the same way as many of us here on Myswag do our own thing with camping mods (yes if you use your butane cooker the obvious wrong way it can go kaboom but they do have those safety gas cans for allcomers and kiddies too remember)
Looks like another convert to vaping as another lady I introduced to my setup has been at it for 5 or 6 weeks now and hasn't touched her rollies since and doesn't intend to. She has just retired so the economic incentive was probably the main driver to buy some gear and get started so I'll talk about her experience and how I had to coach her and explain what to expect for a smooth transition. Gotta say she's taken to it like a duck to water after resisting my example for over a year. It was the bucks that got to her in the end :-*
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You know if you eventually want to make vaping an art form and learn all about those batteries that can go bang inyerface if you get it wrong there are countless afficionado dudes crawling all over Youtube just dying to show you and the world their ultimate coil wind and wicking expertise with their favourite mod-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmzSy2JHmuA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmzSy2JHmuA)
Right you are there dudes and there's no doubt those things can really chuck out the steam but most of us mere mortals have to eat and sleep as well as get out there camping occasionally so that's where I'll be pitching at ;D
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I think fresh air is better..... ;D ;D ;D....Just my opinion !
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I think fresh air is better..... ;D ;D ;D....Just my opinion !
Absolutely and there can be no argument whatsoever about that. Just like water is better than alcohol and cycling better than diesel but we're discussing the move to light beer, diesel particulate filters or perhaps the switch to petrol engines? Nothing compulsory here you understand :cheers:
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Absolutely and there can be no argument whatsoever about that. Just like water is better than alcohol and cycling better than diesel but we're discussing the move to light beer, diesel particulate filters or perhaps the switch to petrol engines? Nothing compulsory here you understand :cheers:
I hear ya.....I'v been fortunate to have happily gone from a full blown smoker to zilch and know the pain of giving up something i was happy doing.....but we all have a right to persue which ever legal activity we choose and i never knock anyone's choices in what they do after all ....it's up to each individual to choose there path in life.
About 15+ years without a fag.
Cheers Tracker.
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Can you all see another wee problem with continually sticking up excise exorbitantly on addictive products like tobacco?
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/shopkeeper-assaulted-and-tobacco-stolen-during-taperoo-deli-robbery/news-story/adb1d3c6a5c088e353263b64a1b9bfe4 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/shopkeeper-assaulted-and-tobacco-stolen-during-taperoo-deli-robbery/news-story/adb1d3c6a5c088e353263b64a1b9bfe4)
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Can you all see another wee problem with continually sticking up excise exorbitantly on addictive products like tobacco?
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/shopkeeper-assaulted-and-tobacco-stolen-during-taperoo-deli-robbery/news-story/adb1d3c6a5c088e353263b64a1b9bfe4 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/shopkeeper-assaulted-and-tobacco-stolen-during-taperoo-deli-robbery/news-story/adb1d3c6a5c088e353263b64a1b9bfe4)
More about being a scumbag lowlife than expensive tobacco in my opinion..
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More about being a scumbag lowlife than expensive tobacco in my opinion..
I plead ignorance yeronner-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmEYDpHbe3s&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmEYDpHbe3s&feature=youtu.be)
and in my mum and dad's day they would have too-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI)
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Another wry smile for we vapers-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/cigarette-butt-causes-180000-house-fire-at-myponga/news-story/b45c093d29b4a0e4ea28e17c1b7442a6 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/cigarette-butt-causes-180000-house-fire-at-myponga/news-story/b45c093d29b4a0e4ea28e17c1b7442a6)
and with the major political parties all singing from the same hymn book on tobacco excise rises there's no time like the present vege burners.
The missus' girlfriend T is going along like a house on...err.. like a steam train with her vaping, so much so that she's down from max strength 24mg/ml nicotine e-liquid to 15mg and she's only vaping about three or four dollars worth a week of EL now and she's rapt. With all the benefits and not having to keep Canberrans, etc in the manner to which they've become accustomed what's the catch if any you might ask?
Well there is a slight hitch to the panacea as I discovered and it came about as I began to research more about the nicotine strength of EL and what it was all about. Now being a hardened smoker I decided if I was going to try this new fandangled vaping thingy it would be best if I chose the strongest nicotine content and eschew all the different flavours and stick with the most popular, regular, tobacco flavoured one from any particular supplier. In other words stick closely to what I'm used to and I can always dilute the nico content and dabble in the plethora of flavours should I want to later. As it's transpired I've stuck with that although now instead of my initial 50/50 PG/VG base liquid I've settled on the 30/70 base as it's sweeter and less harsh on the throat, although that means the atomiser coils don't last as long but that's small beer anyway. The question naturally arose in my mind though, what nicotine am I ingesting compared with my old analogue rollies?
Well the answer to that was difficult to find simply because vaping has grown up organically and when you think about it, it's a lot like trying to put a fuel use figure on different cars. Also the folks in lab coats haven't been grassed and tasked to do the empirical research just yet so it's a case of suck it and see for yourself. Well not quite because I did come across some rule of thumb discussion about it and here's the rub. It seems when you smoke an average analogue cig you ingest about 1.2mg of nicotine so you'd reckon if you vaped 1ml of EL with 24mg in it that would be 24 divided by 1.2 equals 20 cigs but it doesn't turn out that way and that's what my mate found. He was getting withdrawal symptoms because unlike the 1.2mg hit he was actually getting with the analogue, vaping the ml of 24mg nicotine would only give him the equivalent of around 7 cigs and possibly?? as high as 10 cigs at the very outside. As a tech in a food factory and all suited up, when he could only duck out of work for very fixed periods he quickly found the vaping was giving him withdrawal symptoms because unlike me, I can pull it out of my pocket and have 2 or 3 chuffs and put it way again. In other words a little bit of nico more regularly, whereas he needed a bigger hit with the cigs when he had the chance. Bear that in mind if you're thinking of making the switch.
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I gave up the ciggies........yeah took a few goes and a few lapses, and I may well lapse again in the future, who knows whats in store. At the end of the day, all these alternative delivery systems are just prolonging the addiction. Harm minimization is a great theory, but its really just an excuse to keep doing something you know is bad for you with the flawed belief it wont hurt me as much.
I am all for choice, do whatever floats your boat, but substituting one for of niccotine for another makes no sense to me............may as well just keep smoking ciggies, as I actually liked it :)
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Well that's the point for all those that like nicotine as their particular drug of choice, but the real risk lies not in the nicotine but in the burning tobacco delivery system. Whereas vaping it via eliquid removes 95% of the personal risk with the positive spinoffs of no fire, ash, butts, stink and passive inhalation of smoke for others, not to mention the the nasty tradeoffs with the current approach of jacking up excise usuriously-
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/04/24/10/44/thieves-ram-car-into-adelaide-hotel-to-steal-cigarette-machine (http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/04/24/10/44/thieves-ram-car-into-adelaide-hotel-to-steal-cigarette-machine)
Think of it as methadone and clean needles for heroin addicts but vapers are happy not to be a burden on taxpayers like that.
How does massive improvement in this life and perfection in the next grab all you saints?
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I see they're coming around slowly-
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/on-world-no-tobacco-day-theres-new-hope-for-smokers-if-the-government-will-allow-it/news-story/1eb856263374a71545bee8076df0aa83?pg=1&utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=lifestyle (http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/on-world-no-tobacco-day-theres-new-hope-for-smokers-if-the-government-will-allow-it/news-story/1eb856263374a71545bee8076df0aa83?pg=1&utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=lifestyle)
although we don't need Gummint and the nanny state getting involved like methadone and free needles, anymore than doling out low alcohol beer to pisspots. Mind you Dave if you've got a spare million or two, remember I'm just another poor victim of BIG TOBACCO maaaaaate-
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/england-legend-david-beckham-seen-105832591.html (https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/england-legend-david-beckham-seen-105832591.html)
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This was the one I was looking for-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/why-giving-alcoholics-free-drinks-might-be-a-good-idea/ar-BBuiGha?li=AA4Znz&ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/why-giving-alcoholics-free-drinks-might-be-a-good-idea/ar-BBuiGha?li=AA4Znz&ocid=spartandhp)
Trust them, they're from the Gummint and they're here to help :)
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Some commonsense from some of our overlords at last-
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/libs-call-for-rethink-on-ecigarette-ban/news-story/98c390ae9260b3a876af79acd53dfa7e (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/libs-call-for-rethink-on-ecigarette-ban/news-story/98c390ae9260b3a876af79acd53dfa7e)
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Great thread here Prodigy.
My wife has been off the ciggies now for 4 years with vaping and the last 6 months she has had no nicotine in her juice.
She still loves to vape and will probably go on doing it for years. Happy to test out the long term side effects of vaping.
Had a family friend trying to give up 2 years ago reckon that a book he read was the answer to quiting and my wifes vaping wouldn't work, well he lasted about 2 weeks and starting smoking again so not the most successful attempt.
Turns out he recently tried the vaping and has been off the ciggies now for more than 6 months.
I have also recommended Vaping to friends at work who have now been ciggy free for 2 years so to the knockers who think we shouldn't have the right to vape or the smokers that want to quit but keep making excuses that the long term use of Ecigs hasn't been proven. Vaping has been shown to be 95% healthier than smoking in the short term and long term effects of ciggies are well known so it is not likely to worse from vaping
Each to there own.
I am a non smoker or vapour but I can still see the benefits for those that are wanting to quit
Cheers all
Damo