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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Cruiser 105Tvan on September 27, 2015, 10:38:19 AM
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https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/29647079/car-and-caravan-in-sinkhole-at-qld-beach/
I really hope there were no Swaggers involved.
I hope the Insurance Companies come to the party too.
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That is horrible news. Glad no one is injured.
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I hope the Insurance Companies come to the party too.
I wonder if a sink hole comes under the umbrella of "an act of God", and if such acts are still not covered by insurers?
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Slightly better coverage here ... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-27/major-sinkhole-swallows-vehicles-on-qld-coast/6807536 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-27/major-sinkhole-swallows-vehicles-on-qld-coast/6807536)
And to think it's the school holiday period too ... wouldn't be as many if it was out for school holiday time.
Happens at least once a year too ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oEiBveXbBA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oEiBveXbBA)
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=inskip+point+sinkhole+2012&sa=X&biw=1600&bih=788&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ved=0CDwQsARqFQoTCJnPz42tlsgCFc4riAodL5kI1A (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=inskip+point+sinkhole+2012&sa=X&biw=1600&bih=788&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ved=0CDwQsARqFQoTCJnPz42tlsgCFc4riAodL5kI1A)
Scol.
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http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/campsite-terror-inskip-sinkhole-swallows-caravan/2787981/#/0 (http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/campsite-terror-inskip-sinkhole-swallows-caravan/2787981/#/0)
found a good gutter for beach fishing
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Making room for when NZ joins us! :angel:
Foo
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If your caravan or camper went down in this ‘sink hole’ you would hope you have good insurance. But reading the policy of CIL insurance it states they will not cover for, ‘loss of or damage to your caravan or your annexe caused by actions or movements of the sea (including storm surge) or tidal wave.’ Interesting??? Kevin
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If you look at the aerial shots and the colour of the water, that sinkhole looks pretty friggin deep.
The light blue turns to dark blue all along the beach, but the new bit is the same colour as the rest of the channel.
Looks like a nice place to park the boat, as long as I don't snag a 19 foot Viscount with the anchor.
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If you look at the aerial shots and the colour of the water, that sinkhole looks pretty friggin deep.
The light blue turns to dark blue all along the beach, but the new bit is the same colour as the rest of the channel.
Looks like a nice place to park the boat, as long as I don't snag a 19 foot Viscount with the anchor.
Should be some good fishing around the new Viscount reef :)
Glad to hear no one was seriously injured or killed. Could have been a lot worse.
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Missus was talking to some people who saw it happen. Poor bastard lost a new Jayco Expanda and Pajero.
Apparently recently sold up and started to travel.
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I suspect there will be a battle to get their insurance company to pony up the dough.
Robbo...
rockfactor.com.au
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While this particular sinkhole is the biggest I’ve seen it, it’s been coming and going for the last 35+ years that I know of. Before the sealed road went in and Inskip Point became popular we use to go fishing and camping at Inskip 4 or 5 times per year and it wasn’t unusual for the beach to be drivable one trip and next trip the beach wasn’t drivable and fishing in the hole.
As for the insurance companies guarantee the pay up quick because it’s only a handful of claims which inturn makes a good PR story.
But guarantee that particular camping ground will now be closed for life.
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If your caravan or camper went down in this ‘sink hole’ you would hope you have good insurance. But reading the policy of CIL insurance it states they will not cover for, ‘loss of or damage to your caravan or your annexe caused by actions or movements of the sea (including storm surge) or tidal wave.’ Interesting??? Kevin
Will be interesting to see how the insurers 'roll' on this.
Storm surges and tidal waves are, to some extent, avoidable by choosing to depart during the lead up to such extreme weather events.
By contrast, not only was the so-called 'sink hole' not evident in advance, but not self evidently an action or movement of the "sea". I listened to a marine engineering expert on the ABC this morning who explained that the cause of such events is likely related to the degree of saturatiuon of the sand and that, perhaps it could have been a different type of event, such as a land 'slump'.
If these are arguablew, for the limited claims involved, CIL and which ever other insureres are involved would get relatively cheap PR if they paid out. Hundreds of vehicles washed away in a tidal wave would be a completely different storey!
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As for the insurance companies guarantee the pay up quick because it’s only a handful of claims which inturn makes a good PR story.
Maybe I'm cynical, but any excuse NOT to pay seems to over ride any idea of a good PR story.
Sounds like the couple would be completely stuffed without a payout, so I hope they get a good outcome.
Report on tv said the hole is getting bigger ??
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We went and had a look yesterday afternoon.
Jayco make a good caravan, but a crappy boat.
Its a pretty hunk of sand that went missing, but as said by others, I seem to remember this spot being pretty thin several times over the years.
The jayco has feel to bits I think, as the fridge is floating about 10 feet from the van and on the outside. I'm sure jayco put their fridges inside
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The main thing is no one was in the vans when they started to sink and no one was injured. Like many others we have friends of friends who were there etc etc and have heard numerous stories from how, what, when it happened.
However for my 2 c worth, why the insurance bashing? It's not the intent of the policy wording to exclude a sinkhole? The intent is to exclude claims from high tides and storm surges. As B&B said these are often avoidable.
We are all assuming they are insured with CIL? The fact the owners aren't on TV asking for handouts means they are most likely insured with a reputable company and there are no dramas.
And yes I am a broker in the insurance industry and it just frustrates me the comments made whenever there is any event. 18 years in the industry and yet to see a legitimate claim denied.
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And yes I am a broker in the insurance industry and it just frustrates me the comments made whenever there is any event. 18 years in the industry and yet to see a legitimate claim denied.
Well you're the man to get info from !!
Enlighten us......isn't there wording in most ( all ) policies excluding acts of god ? If it's a no brainer that they will be paid out, then that's great and we needn't be talking about it .
Did you hear about the Youi car insurance debacle on Ray Hadleys radio show ? what were your thoughts on that ??
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On one of the news programmes last night it was stated -
"The camp site at the sink hole remains closed!"
Really?
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Hi Gronk,
Not sure where these insurance policies are you are referring to regarding "acts of god". If you can find one send me a copy.
http://www.insurancecouncil.com.au/assets/files/urban%20myths.pdf (http://www.insurancecouncil.com.au/assets/files/urban%20myths.pdf)
Never said it was a no brainer however yes it is unique.
No I haven't listened to Ray Hadley's radio show however I do know of the case in question. Perhaps you would like to start a new thread on Youi and we can all discuss. Beware though the same issue will arise as with the foreign camper trailers. Just a name increase from 3 letters to 4.
Cheers
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Report on tv said the hole is getting bigger ??
They will probably name it after my ex.
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Hempo, the ray hadley case got discussed here somewhere...under c/t insurance I think .
I haven't got my PDS , but I'll see what I can find .
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On one of the news programmes last night it was stated -
"The camp site at the sink hole remains closed!"
Really?
Yes it is.
We arrived on Sunday morning, set up about 50m from the bunting the rangers had placed up around the area. We were probably 100m from the sink hole. Set up camp, cracked first beer, then the Rangers came through and made evryone move camp as the were closing the camp ground. It wasn't them who authorized it, but higher up. Has nothing to do with the sinkhole as such, but to aid in the recovery/clean up job.
The whole of Beagle camp ground and a bit of Sarawak are closed.
BUT, if you listen to the media, the entire world is about to dissapear into Rainbow Beach.
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Wife just looked up Rainbow towings face crap site and they're in the process of draging out the wreckage from the lagoon .
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Camper trailer has been recovered but apparently the 4wd connected to the caravan has gone missing.
http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/inskip-pt-vehicle-recovery-attempt-this-afternoon/2790499/#/2 (http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/inskip-pt-vehicle-recovery-attempt-this-afternoon/2790499/#/2)
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is it possible to get near it. as i would like to see it in person or have they got the whole beach closed off.
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Camper trailer has been recovered but apparently the 4wd connected to the caravan has gone missing.
http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/inskip-pt-vehicle-recovery-attempt-this-afternoon/2790499/#/2 (http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/inskip-pt-vehicle-recovery-attempt-this-afternoon/2790499/#/2)
I just looked up the Rainbow Beach towing page and they confirmed divers have been down and they can’t find the 4WD. So it’s either been taken out to sea by the really strong currents in the passage or buried itself at the bottom of the sinkhole.
Earlier this year I witnessed a 4WD stuck in a flowing lagoon at Bribie and I was amazed just how fast it started sinking into the sand.
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Camper trailer has been recovered but apparently the 4wd connected to the caravan has gone missing.
http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/inskip-pt-vehicle-recovery-attempt-this-afternoon/2790499/#/2 (http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/inskip-pt-vehicle-recovery-attempt-this-afternoon/2790499/#/2)
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Earlier this year I witnessed a 4WD stuck in a flowing lagoon at Bribie and I was amazed just how fast it started sinking into the sand.
I recall back in the 1970's; the standard joke or commentary regarding Eli Creek FI - was:
"If you stall it at Eli - you only have time to slide closed the passenger's window on your Series 3 - and scramble to safety... because by the time you get to the bank of this fast flowing creek - your Landy will be gone..." ....(totally under).. :'( >:D
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Interestingly, it happened in exactly the same spot as the small one in January this year. They happen all the time up there, and they'll happen again.
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Interestingly, it happened in exactly the same spot as the small one in January this year. They happen all the time up there, and they'll happen again.
Funny you should say that....
I was telling folks yesterday, that bit has been an issue as far back as the 90's. The beach was always skinny through there.
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The Gall boysfound that spot back in 07 too on their Fraser coast trip #2:03 into the vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2rfd_fEyxc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2rfd_fEyxc)
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An old thread I know but during a work training course this week we were shown an event that occurred in the USA around sinkholes etc and thought that the Inskip one was nothing compared to this. Doesn't mean it wasn't any less devastating for those involved of course.
Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI)
Another stat that came out in regards to dams in the US is that there is a significant failure of approx. 1 dam per week and this has been a consistent rate in the last 20 years of record keeping. What is a bit scary is that these are only rated to those dams that are classed as significant (15 metres or higher) so don't include farm dams or the like. Learning is don't drive or camp over or beneath a dam in the US
Rod
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The Gall boysfound that spot back in 07 too on their Fraser coast trip #2:03 into the vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2rfd_fEyxc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2rfd_fEyxc)
No, they just found a moron.
There used to be a lighthouse/pilot station on inskip in the late 1800's. It was abandoned due to landslip. The press named it a sinkhole. It is simply a slip due to the angle of repose being reduced as an action of tidal scouring on the south bank. No magic.