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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: buildermidwife on February 17, 2015, 09:53:32 AM
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Hi all
Just a quick question . We are living in SA and want to buy a camper from Queensland and tow it back to SA and register it in SA . What is the easiest way change registration . And will I need a permit to tow the camper home . I already know how to register the camper in my name in SA . Just wondering about the Queensland reg , and the trip home ..
Thanks for any advice . Cheers Paul
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Hi all
Just a quick question . We are living in SA and want to buy a camper from Queensland and tow it back to SA and register it in SA . What is the easiest way change registration . And will I need a permit to tow the camper home . I already know how to register the camper in my name in SA . Just wondering about the Queensland reg , and the trip home ..
Thanks for any advice . Cheers Paul
Ring your Roads authority and see what they say..
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if it is currently rego'd in qld, you should not require a permit at all as it is a registered trailer. if it has no rego you would need a permit. in qld you have to transfer new ownership within two weeks. i believe you will get no credit for the qld rego in sa and will have to pay the full amount but am not 100% sure on that.
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Hi all
Just a quick question . We are living in SA and want to buy a camper from Queensland and tow it back to SA and register it in SA . What is the easiest way change registration . And will I need a permit to tow the camper home . I already know how to register the camper in my name in SA . Just wondering about the Queensland reg , and the trip home ..
Thanks for any advice . Cheers Paul
You need to get a temporary registration permit from the SA department of motor registration. This form specifies the start and end locations of the journey, the route that you are taking, and the dates that you will be travelling.
You display the temporary permit on the front window of the towing vehicle. If you deviate from the route and/or date/time that you specify in the permit and you are pulled over, you can be fined.
The permit covers you for interstate travel as well. But I must stress, that you have to stick to the route and dates that you specify in the application. Gnatsum69 undertook this option from Melbourne to Adelaide a couple of years ago. It is exactly the same process that occurs if you were to pick up a unregistered camper from a depot after getting it shipped from interstate.
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I bought a camper trailer from QLD, i got it trucked down to Adelaide for $900.
Still had QLD plates and rego on it, so towed it down to regency park and got it inspected and new SA plates.
Sent old plates and signed rego papers back to original owner.
Didn't need any permit only had to get rego changed over within two weeks.
Doug
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It's all going to depend on whether the trailer has ever been registered before. If its new and unregistered, you can get a temporary permit.
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I bought a camper trailer from QLD, i got it trucked down to Adelaide for $900.
Still had QLD plates and rego on it, so towed it down to regency park and got it inspected and new SA plates.
Sent old plates and signed rego papers back to original owner.
I did this... But I got the movement permit to move it locally. Don't think I really needed to but I figured for $12, I would. I imagined explaining that I am the owner but it is still registered in another persons name. You can't properly complete the transfer papers in QLD with an interstate licence. I made sure I was at the regency park depot at opening as was done within 5mins.
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Thanks for the replys . Yes the camper is currently registered in Queensland . It is a 2013 model .
Cheers Paul .
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More important is to make sure you get insurance from the moment you pick it up.
Sounds like you might lose a bit of the QLD rego, when does it run out in QLD.
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If it's registered in QLD it's fine to drive anywhere in Australia. Otherwise how would you be able to take a camper/caravan/vehicle outside of the State it's registered in? Get a permit for each state you wish to visit? I think not.
If a vehicle is registered in any state, you can take it anywhere in Australia as vehicle registration is recognised Australia wide. It's only the associated costs that are different.
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Also when you get it here, you may have to take it Regency Park or if you're in the Regional Area, get one of the local Coppers to do a check and take the form into Service SA.
Sincerely no need to mess about with other permits if it's registered.
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Sincerely no need to mess about with other permits if it's registered.
That right, simply transfer the rego
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I've just gone through this with a car.... so the trailer should be a similar scenario
Registration can only be transferred to the new owner if they live in Qld.
Otherwise the registration needs to be cancelled and you get a temporary permit from the Queensland rego with the route being taken home and the amount of days. Then straight into Regency Park for an id check and registration.
I ended up trucking the car down for $880. Surely trucking a trailer should be cheaper?
Hope it all works out for you
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I've just gone through this with a car.... so the trailer should be a similar scenario
Registration can only be transferred to the new owner if they live in Qld.
Otherwise the registration needs to be cancelled and you get a temporary permit from the Queensland rego with the route being taken home and the amount of days. Then straight into Regency Park for an id check and registration.
I ended up trucking the car down for $880. Surely trucking a trailer should be cheaper?
Hope it all works out for you
You can also purchase the permit in SA and it is valid in all states.
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You can also purchase the permit in SA and it is valid in all states.
That's good to know
Cheers
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You will likely find the permit will have to be issued in Queensland as that is the start point of the journey. Essentially SA can't issue a permit for vehicles that are interstate, but will recognise a vehicle permit coming from interstate.
As it is currently registered you probably don't need one. Buy it, give him the transfer appears and tell him not to transfer/cancel the rego until you call him from home. Get home and register it straight away in SA and hand in the Qld plates.
Or hire a one way car trailer and stick it on that.
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Not so, the permit issued in SA can be used interstate.
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Most permits can be used interstate(not sure on WA)
, but SA cannot issue a permit for a vehicle use on Qld roads. It only has jurisdiction in SA.
Qld legislation would have to recognise the SA permit, which it does.
As the vehicle is currently in Qld, a Qld permit would be needed and it would be recognised in SA.
It might seem like the same but when you dig into the legislation it is different.
In the past SA might have issued a permit, but legally they have no authority to do it.
This trailer is registered in Qld when it comes over the border to SA it is not "registered" by SA law, but it is "exempt" from registration if it is temporarily in the state (on holiday).
If it is now to be garaged in SA it has to be registered in SA, and must be done within 90 days (time frame applies to SA)
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Sorry #jonesy, you are wrong, contact the SA Department of motor reg for clarification. Myswagger Gnatsum69 did exactly this when he bought an Ezytrail from Melbourne to Adelaide after seeking advice from both myself and the SA Department of motor reg. The permit is valid for the stated journey only on the permit and is recognised interstate, and as far as my understanding of the permit, which I have also used for travel within SA, it is valid in all states of Australia.
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Agree with the others who say you need a permit...
Any trailer sold in qld to non qld resident must have the registration removed/cancelled and a temporary movement permit issued.
Yes if its registered yes it can be driven anywhere by the owner or friend family etc..however the rules change once a sale/ transaction has taken place..although you wont get booked for unregistered vehicle you may find some complexed issues relating to liability insurance in the event of a crash and personal injury claims. if a transaction/sale has occurred.
if you kill/ injure someone including your passengers I guarantee the prev owner will be letting the whole world know it was no longer his trailer as it was after the sale, therefore the personal injury component of his QLD based rego would not apply as it is non transferable unless a fellow qld resident has purchased the trailer.
Safest way.
1- purchase the trailer unregistered have this listed on the receipt and have prev owner remove plates(they are responsible for returning them to qld transport)
2- speak with the SA roads authority about a permit (if as some say theirs covers multiple states then check with each state that they honour this)
3- OR Get a qld movement permit which normally has your final destination written on it..this permit has little to do with registration and a lot to do with personal injury insurance.
Do it this way and your safe and compliant.
many people do it the other way..(just take it drive it and return the plates later) and although it saves a few bucks it could cost you the biggest headache of your life IMHO.
Jet ;D ;D
Edit- I would be getting the permit from the state the trailer is registered in and have it cover me all the way home to my home state. Point A-B ;D
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Camper now safely home and registered in SA .
I ended up ringing Qld motor reg . They told me to drive home using the previous owners reg and number plate and once home I towed the camper to vehicle ID check place . I then registered it in my name . They gave me one day to change the plate over to new SA plate and 14 days to serender the old Qld plates and receive a receipt . I then sent the receipt to the previous owner so he could cancel the Qld reg . This way of doing it seemed the most common and the one that both SA and Qld motor reg places were recommending .
Hope this is helpful , cheers Paul
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Just another thing that i wish they would hurry up and roll into a national registration scheme with the amount of things being sold interstate or people doing long term temp work interstate
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Camper now safely home and registered in SA .
I ended up ringing Qld motor reg . They told me to drive home using the previous owners reg and number plate and once home I towed the camper to vehicle ID check place . I then registered it in my name . They gave me one day to change the plate over to new SA plate and 14 days to serender the old Qld plates and receive a receipt . I then sent the receipt to the previous owner so he could cancel the Qld reg . This way of doing it seemed the most common and the one that both SA and Qld motor reg places were recommending .
Hope this is helpful , cheers Paul
Wow .. That's very interesting advice . But if that's what you were told then all good .
Does trailer have brakes or gas fitted ?
If it does and no safety certificate from Qld was provided at sale then it all goes to poo very quickly in event of accident . To do what the seller did he must have provided a rwc or blue slip . And had the rego transfer filled out with your Qld address on it .
Instead he sold it as is and allowed you to drive it away after the transaction had occurred with the plates on and no safety cert .. Then he is a braver man than me ;D
All good though your home safe and enjoy the new camper ;D
Jet ;D
Jet ;D
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I've been looking into this but for QLD to NSW. Basically owner cancels the rego in QLD. Buyer applies for an unregistered vehicle permit (this includes CTP s you are covered legally)
This is directly from the QLD website:
http://www.qld.gov.au/transport/registration/transfer/interstate/index.html (http://www.qld.gov.au/transport/registration/transfer/interstate/index.html)
Buying a Queensland registered vehicle from interstate
A vehicle must be garaged at a Queensland address to be registered in Queensland. If you live interstate and purchase a vehicle that is registered in Queensland, you cannot register it in your name in Queensland unless you have a Queensland garaging address.
If you can’t transfer the Queensland registration into your name, you may ask the seller to cancel the vehicle’s registration at a transport and motoring customer service centre. You can then apply for an unregistered vehicle permit to transport the vehicle to your home address.
To register the vehicle you will need to contact the transport authority in your state or territory to find out their registration requirements.
From the NSW RMS:
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/unregistered.html (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/unregistered.html)
Unregistered Vehicle Permit (UVP)
An Unregistered Vehicle Permit (UVP) allows you to drive or ride an unregistered vehicle on the road network for a specific journey.
Permits are valid for up to 28 days, and allow for a:
?Single journey from A to B
?Return journey from A to B to A
?Number of defined trips to be completed within 28 days, for example from A to B to C to D
?Specific purpose over a number of days, up to a maximum of 28. For example, for harvesting during a defined period.
Unregistered Vehicle Permits provide limited access to the road network. They are not intended to cover the regular use of a vehicle on a road or road-related area.
Interstate recognition
Permits issued in NSW are valid in all states and territories except for Western Australia. NSW recognises permits issued in all other jurisdictions provided the vehicle is operated in accordance with the conditions of the home jurisdiction
The permit fee includes an administration charge and CTP insurance. This CTP insurance only covers you on roads and road-related areas. It does not cover you on private property.
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What Marschy said with SA Permit if it's not regd interstate and get this. If you get the permit stipulating direct route from seller to home, you should then have to get another permit to drive from home to Regency for inspection, so best to arrange a week day direct from seller to Regency. BIL didn't do that and when he got to Regency was ticked off that he had actually driven it there unregistered but they'd overlook it. However he had to leave the car at the inspection station and walk a block or 2 around to the rego office to actually register it (used to be one and the same)
As described if it's still regd interstate do a handshake deal with the owner (might require a signed statement you're taking resposibility for speed fines, cameras, etc ) and chop it in at Regency whereby the seller gets the refund. They're usually happy with that vis a vis a local buyer who wants the reg. Oh and don't forget a comprehensive cover note before pickup and if you don't know what the PPSR is you should be buying from a dealer.
Edit: Don't trust the usual suspects and make sure you get a receipt for the old plates and email a courtesy copy to the seller to let them know all done and to expect their refund as it's Murphy's Law with 2 jurisdictions.
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I did the same as buildermidwife when I picked up my ct from Tasmania in 2013. Had no issues either end.
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What Marschy said with SA Permit if it's not regd interstate and get this. If you get the permit stipulating direct route from seller to home, you should then have to get another permit to drive from home to Regency for inspection, so best to arrange a week day direct from seller to Regency. BIL didn't do that and when he got to Regency was ticked off that he had actually driven it there unregistered but they'd overlook it. However he had to leave the car at the inspection station and walk a block or 2 around to the rego office to actually register it (used to be one and the same)
Interesting. NSW has it a bit different. The UVP can be for a number of defined trips within 28 days under the same permit. A>B then B>C.
You are also able to drive an unregistered vehicle in NSW for the purpose of obtaining registration as long as its to the nearest convenient registry office/inspection station/weighbridge/between inspection station and registry. So you could permit home, then take to get rego at another time convenient to you.
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"Interesting. NSW has it a bit different. The UVP can be for a number of defined trips within 28 days under the same permit. A>B then B>C."
I think that's true to some extent with SA but strictly the days of travel and route, rather than 'within 28 days' and the BIL should have added the trip from home to inspection station but he wasn't advised of that at the time. In that sense I'm not sure whether he could have stipulated- driving home from Sydney car pickup on say Thursday and Friday and diving from home to inspection on Monday on the same permit.
All he would say from his experience is don't take any counter jockey's word for anything and do your homework.