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Since ANZAC day falls on a Saturday - Napthine has decided not to give the day off to workers..
I can sort of understand its about The ANZAC's, just Shits me...
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Dennis the menace might not get the final say...
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No, you can not sort of understand ! As an ex service man, Australian Army, I get pretty hot under the collar when people see it as a public holiday first. If it falls on a weekend, no public holiday. So sad, too bad. If it falls during the week, a public holiday is granted. It is about respecting the fallen who gave their lives so you can have a whinge in freedom. >:( Not meaning to offend, just having my say.
:cheers:
James
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i agree with JK.......
I also reckon if xmas, boxing, new years etc fall on a weekend than you just get a weekend
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No, you can not sort of understand ! As an ex service man, Australian Army, I get pretty hot under the collar when people see it as a public holiday first. If it falls on a weekend, no public holiday. So sad, too bad. If it falls during the week, a public holiday is granted. It is about respecting the fallen who gave their lives so you can have a whinge in freedom. >:( Not meaning to offend, just having my say.
:cheers:
James
X2 as a serving member!
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X2 as a serving member!
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x3 from one who hasn't served, but has the utmost respect (like others, i'm sure) for those that have and still do...
holiday is secondary.
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No, you can not sort of understand ! As an ex service man, Australian Army, I get pretty hot under the collar when people see it as a public holiday first. If it falls on a weekend, no public holiday. So sad, too bad. If it falls during the week, a public holiday is granted. It is about respecting the fallen who gave their lives so you can have a whinge in freedom. >:( Not meaning to offend, just having my say.
:cheers:
James
Well said :cup: :cup: :cup:
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Qld didn't get an ANZAC day holiday a few years back.
I certainly like my holidays and wish there were more but I do realise the reasons for this.
It was noted at the time that some calendars and diaries with prefilled holidays had it listed as a long weekend though. Caused much confusion at the time.
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x3 from one who hasn't served, but has the utmost respect (like others, i'm sure) for those that have and still do...
holiday is secondary.
100% agree!
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but isnt it still a public holiday anyway? it just happens to fall on a saturday, it just means the majority already have that day off and an employer doesnt have to pay you for doing jacky ;D
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It's certainly a public holiday for anyone who works in the retail trade regardless of which day of the week it falls on.
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U lazy people, go to work, you can't get paid for doing nothing :)
I'll stay home for you all and report back about the lazy I will have. Don't thank me, happy to take one for the team :D
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It's not to be allocated to another day in NSW either and nor should it be, Agree 100% as above. it's about one thing anything else is irrelevant. It also annoys me when all the big retailers will push to open as well. Surely we can survive a day without the shops being open?
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oh, don't get me wrong....I enjoy long weekends and try to get away on ANZAC long weekends but I always s make every effort to attended the closest dawn service
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It's not to be allocated to another day in NSW either and nor should it be, Agree 100% as above. it's about one thing anything else is irrelevant. It also annoys me when all the big retailers will push to open as well. Surely we can survive a day without the shops being open?
OK whilst we are bitching about trading on public holidays why must the shops open on Boxing Day, Good Friday, Easter Sunday, ANZAC Day afternoon just to name a few. People can go without shopping for a day or so and allow retail staff to spend time with family and friends who also have the day off. However it is amusing to see the shopping centre car park the day before and day after a public holiday when a store has closed, it is like the world is coming to an end and they must stock up for the apocalypse.
I am not in retail nor is my immediate family so it doesn't affect me as such, just thinking of others.
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No, you can not sort of understand ! As an ex service man, Australian Army, I get pretty hot under the collar when people see it as a public holiday first. If it falls on a weekend, no public holiday. So sad, too bad. If it falls during the week, a public holiday is granted. It is about respecting the fallen who gave their lives so you can have a whinge in freedom. >:( Not meaning to offend, just having my say.
:cheers:
James
A big X1000.
Nothing poxes me off more than the people that see it as another day off, or the ones that turn up to the pub after the march to get hammered and play 2 up. I have either worked or paraded every ANZAC Day for the last 20 something years.
Don't get me started on the ANZAC Day football matches and players competing in the sprit of the ANZAC's! Whoever in Defence Force Recruiting that signed off to sponsor that crap should be ashamed of themselves.
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OK whilst we are bitching about trading on public holidays why must the shops open on Boxing Day, Good Friday, Easter Sunday, ANZAC Day afternoon just to name a few. People can go without shopping for a day or so and allow retail staff to spend time with family and friends who also have the day off. However it is amusing to see the shopping centre car park the day before and day after a public holiday when a store has closed, it is like the world is coming to an end and they must stock up for the apocalypse.
I am not in retail nor is my immediate family so it doesn't affect me as such, just thinking of others.
Totally agree, one step further I don't think Sunday trading did all that much for the world other than screw over traditional Sunday family lunches and enjoying the football of an afternoon.
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Since ANZAC day falls on a Saturday - Napthine has decided not to give the day off to workers..
I can sort of understand its about The ANZAC's, just ****s me...
clearly you cant sort of understand its about the ANZAC's, as a serving member who for last years ANZAC day spent it on OP Slipper did not get a day off, I worked and I still did the dawn service in the middle east, I just thanked F*ck for the original ANZAC's so we could actually enjoy the freedoms we have in this country (whether it be a day off or just time with the family, I didn't get that last year, but thanks for noticing). ohh by the way your post pissed me off..
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lf our blokes hadn't paid the price they did you wouldn't be here today . lts to remember not a holiday .
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lts to remember not a holiday .
Spot on
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clearly you cant sort of understand its about the ANZAC's, as a serving member who for last years ANZAC day spent it on OP Slipper did not get a day off, I worked and I still did the dawn service in the middle east, I just thanked F*ck for the original ANZAC's so we could actually enjoy the freedoms we have in this country (whether it be a day off or just time with the family, I didn't get that last year, but thanks for noticing). ohh by the way your post pissed me off..
And I think of a couple of mates that didn't come back recently carrying on that ANZAC tradition just so we can have a holiday? Yeah right!! More respect to you kevb.
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Of course the focus of the day is to remember and be thankful. I'm not sure how having a public holiday on the Monday is any less respectfull though.
I'd argue having the day off on the Monday only draws more attention to remembering.
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Of course the focus of the day is to remember and be thankful. I'm not sure how having a public holiday on the Monday is any less respectfull though.
I'd argue having the day off on the Monday only draws more attention to remembering.
Sorry, but if you don't get a day off tough luck. It's not about you or anyone else who gets the Shits because you don't get a public holiday. Get over it and move on. I served and worked with the military for thirty five years and I have seen how hard those people work and I would rather that just the serving people get a day off. At least they deserve it.
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James
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At least they deserve it.
>:(
James
What is the rest of the Australian population not good enough. I couldn't care less about the public holiday side of ANZAC day but this comment reeks of arrogance and self serving bullsh!t, doesn't the lady or man who cleans your sh!t from the pokey ridden hole you call the current RSL clubs of Australia deserve some respect.
You made your point in your first post.
Myswag members are generally more respectful than the average joe on the street. Give some respect to get it. By the way I lost two grandfathers and numerous uncles in WW2 and Vietnam, so I have no reason to bow down to your crap.
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What is the rest of the Australian population not good enough. I couldn't care less about the public holiday side of ANZAC day but this comment reeks of arrogance and self serving bullsh!t, doesn't the lady or man who cleans your sh!t from the pokey ridden hole you call the current RSL clubs of Australia deserve some respect.
You made your point in your first post.
Myswag members are generally more respectful than the average joe on the street. Give some respect to get it. By the way I lost two grandfathers and numerous uncles in WW2 and Vietnam, so I have no reason to bow down to your crap.
Lets not get into an argument about lost family members, it is undignified. But for the record I too have lost family members during war, including a cousin who was executed by the Japanese while he was interned at a work camp in Burma. The subject will always light my wick !!! RSL social clubs are not usually run by the RSL sub-branches, and to the public who use them that is usually not apparent. That is another subject entirely. My point can best be summed up by the following quote, that also applies to current service personnel. I have a right to my point of view,as you said. And that is that Anzac day SHOULD NOT be seen as a public holiday at all, it should be elevated above that. In some posters eyes it is not.
"An Ex-Service person is someone who, at some stage in their life, thought enough about their country,
how great it is, and how lucky we are to live here, to write a blank cheque made out to
'The People and Commonwealth of Australia' for an amount of 'Up to and including my Life!"
Regards to all.
James
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Sorry, but if you don't get a day off tough luck. It's not about you or anyone else who gets the ****s because you don't get a public holiday. Get over it and move on. I served and worked with the military for thirty five years and I have seen how hard those people work and I would rather that just the serving people get a day off. At least they deserve it.
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James
James,
At no stage have I complained about not getting a holiday. So no need to apologise, nothing for me to get over, I don't have the ****s and nothing to move on from for me.
Thanks for your service, and thanks to all of those who served.
Ill re phrase my question,
How does having a public holiday on the Monday become any less respectful to our servicemen and women?
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Ill re phrase my question,
How does having a public holiday on the Monday become any less respectful to our servicemen and women?
its not........plus it gives you the opportunity to attend a service that you might not normally be able to get to
at times I got frustrated when I was serving, esp. when my grandfather was still alive, that I could not take leave to attend dawn services and watch parades with family member......
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James,
At no stage have I complained about not getting a holiday. So no need to apologise, nothing for me to get over, I don't have the ****s and nothing to move on from for me.
Thanks for your service, and thanks to all of those who served.
Ill re phrase my question,
How does having a public holiday on the Monday become any less respectful to our servicemen and women?
Now I have caffeine in my system I shall answer the rephrased question calmly, I hope :angel:. It isn't really, but the point about Anzac Day, in my eyes, is that it's a day of remembrance and commemoration. It should be a work free day only if it falls during the week. Maybe describing it as a public holiday is incorrect, but that is just as some see it I suppose. My last word on the subject.
Regards
James
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Anzac Day as a tradition is undergoing change. For many years it was a time to reflect and remember those who served in WWI and WWII, and also Korea, and wasn't focused on those currently serving.
Then Vietnam happened; an unpopular war fought by those who had volunteered to protect our country from whomever should threaten it and by those picked by the Govt to do a bloody job, fighting a conflict that did not directly threaten our country. But they did it. Because they wanted to or because they had to, and they stood up for their mates. And to our shame they were shunned at subsequent ANZAC marches for many years. As the plight of many veterans became more understood these brave men and women were eventually embraced within the tradition of Anzac Day and I hope feel hugely appreciated when they march or stand or sit on 25 April every year.
We then didn't have any significant conflicts for 15 or so years, other than peace keeping, until the first Gulf War. Then Somalia, East Timor, the second Gulf War, the Balkans, Afghanistan, RAMSI and many other conflicts and peace keeping, aid or humanitarian missions and so today we have many serving members with recent combat experience and also those who have left but saw active duty in those theatres.
And our diggers from WWI & WWII have all passed and so now there is more focus on the more recent veterans, their service and the sacrifices.
I tend to think there should not be an additional public holiday; that is should be only about remembrance. I see too many people for whom ANZAC Day is simply an excuse to drink too much too early and gamble. Who then think of themselves as patriots because they really put in on Anzac Day.
I'll take an appreciate the extra public holiday if it returns, but I would like to see Anzac Day change from a grog fest to become a focus of national identity, where we acknowledge what we have, how it was achieved and maintained and how we can sustain a good and decent society.
"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them."
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nt legislation. where a public holiday falls on a weekend the following Monday shall be a holiday.
when Anzac day falls during the week m-f that day is the public hol and the following mon is a normal working day or words thereof etc etc.
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I knew when I read this thread yesterday that it had the potential to go "pear shaped". I wasn't offended in any way by what Lost said and I am sure he didn't mean any offence to serving members or anyone else. I too am disappointed that we won't be having a public holiday. That doesn't make me or Lost disrespect the spirit of ANZAC.
ANZAC Day does not belong to current serving or previous members of the ADF. The day belongs to all Australians equally as I am sure we have all lost relatives or friends in war for the preservation of this country or others.
I believe that we should at some stage of the day "Remember". The celebration of the day could be by attending a Dawn service, watching the parade or a visit to the RSL. Others may choose to have a day of rest or even go camping, so what each to their own.
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Well put Muzz... :cheers:
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I knew when I read this thread yesterday that it had the potential to go "pear shaped". I wasn't offended in any way by what Lost said and I am sure he didn't mean any offence to serving members or anyone else. I too am disappointed that we won't be having a public holiday. That doesn't make me or Lost disrespect the spirit of ANZAC.
ANZAC Day does not belong to current serving or previous members of the ADF. The day belongs to all Australians equally as I am sure we have all lost relatives or friends in war for the preservation of this country or others.
I believe that we should at some stage of the day "Remember". The celebration of the day could be by attending a Dawn service, watching the parade or a visit to the RSL. Others may choose to have a day of rest or even go camping, so what each to their own.
My very very last comment :angel:. I think we would all agree that due to the service and sacrifice of our men and women in all wars we are blessed to live in a great country and we all are lucky to be able to enjoy all we have in peace. The news bulletins we see each night are proof of it. The lyrics to "God Bless Australia" sum it up for me and it is one of the songs proposed for our national anthem. It is sung to the slow tune of Waltzing Matilda. It got knocked back due the the religious reference. ???
GOD BLESS AUSTRALIA
Here in this God given land of ours, Australia
This proud possession, our own piece of earth
That was built by our fathers who pioneered our heritage
Here in Australia, the land of our birth
Chorus
God bless Australia, our land Australia
Home of the Anzacs, the strong and the free
It's our homeland, our own land, to cherish for eternity
God bless Australia, the land of the free
Chorus
Here in Australia we treasure love and liberty
Our way of life, all for one, one for all
With a peace loving grace, but should danger ever threaten us
Let the world know, we will answer the call
Chorus (End)
Regards
James
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I knew when I read this thread yesterday that it had the potential to go "pear shaped". I wasn't offended in any way by what Lost said and I am sure he didn't mean any offence to serving members or anyone else. I too am disappointed that we won't be having a public holiday. That doesn't make me or Lost disrespect the spirit of ANZAC.
ANZAC Day does not belong to current serving or previous members of the ADF. The day belongs to all Australians equally as I am sure we have all lost relatives or friends in war for the preservation of this country or others.
I believe that we should at some stage of the day "Remember". The celebration of the day could be by attending a Dawn service, watching the parade or a visit to the RSL. Others may choose to have a day of rest or even go camping, so what each to their own.
Well said.....
unless your an Anzac get off the pedestal ... Just because you have or are serving, the day and passing judgement on it does not belong to you.
I would like a holiday on the Monday .. that does not make me any less, or mean I lack respect.
This is about remembering, how or where you choose to do that matters not.... Just that you have ....
to suggest that people don't have respect because they want the public holiday to be recognised is just plain silly.
Jet ;D ;D
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I knew when I read this thread yesterday that it had the potential to go "pear shaped". I wasn't offended in any way by what Lost said and I am sure he didn't mean any offence to serving members or anyone else. I too am disappointed that we won't be having a public holiday. That doesn't make me or Lost disrespect the spirit of ANZAC.
ANZAC Day does not belong to current serving or previous members of the ADF. The day belongs to all Australians equally as I am sure we have all lost relatives or friends in war for the preservation of this country or others.
I believe that we should at some stage of the day "Remember". The celebration of the day could be by attending a Dawn service, watching the parade or a visit to the RSL. Others may choose to have a day of rest or even go camping, so what each to their own.
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To all, this was always going to end up as an emotive topic. Lets all agree that regardless of holidays, the day of the week it falls, whether you are past or present serving that we all take the time and reflect on what a great country we call home. Everybody deals differently to the day but collectively its a day of respect.
Swannie
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To all, this was always going to end up as an emotive topic. Lets all agree that regardless of holidays, the day of the week it falls, whether you are past or present serving that we all take the time and reflect on what a great country we call home. Everybody deals differently to the day but collectively its a day of respect.
Swannie
Well said, and on that note we should end the conversation.
:cheers: to all
James
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To all, this was always going to end up as an emotive topic. Lets all agree that regardless of holidays, the day of the week it falls, whether you are past or present serving that we all take the time and reflect on what a great country we call home. Everybody deals differently to the day but collectively its a day of respect.
Swannie
Agreed, pretty much what muzza was saying also :cheers:
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Agreed, pretty much what muzza was saying also :cheers:
Yep missed your post Muzza, sorry mate.
Swannie
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Well said.....
unless your an Anzac get off the pedestal ... Just because you have or are serving, the day and passing judgement on it does not belong to you.
I would like a holiday on the Monday .. that does not make me any less, or mean I lack respect.
This is about remembering, how or where you choose to do that matters not.... Just that you have ....
to suggest that people don't have respect because they want the public holiday to be recognised is just plain silly.
Jet ;D ;D
Bingo.
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hey jkwpajero
I remember the abc used to play that at the end of transmission every night and your right it was in the running for our national anthem but the word god got in the way. when it finished the colored bars would come on the tv screen with a continuous humming sound.
just sung it in my head a few times and your also right about it being sung to waltzing matilda
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I knew when I read this thread yesterday that it had the potential to go "pear shaped". I wasn't offended in any way by what Lost said and I am sure he didn't mean any offence to serving members or anyone else. I too am disappointed that we won't be having a public holiday. That doesn't make me or Lost disrespect the spirit of ANZAC.
ANZAC Day does not belong to current serving or previous members of the ADF. The day belongs to all Australians equally as I am sure we have all lost relatives or friends in war for the preservation of this country or others.
I believe that we should at some stage of the day "Remember". The celebration of the day could be by attending a Dawn service, watching the parade or a visit to the RSL. Others may choose to have a day of rest or even go camping, so what each to their own.
Well said.........and if you really want a public holiday why not come over here to WA. :cup: http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/labour-relations/public-holidays-western-australia (http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/labour-relations/public-holidays-western-australia)