Post by: Swannie on July 12, 2014, 07:57:54 PM
Swannie
Post by: Foo on July 12, 2014, 08:02:42 PM
Foo
Post by: Mace on July 12, 2014, 08:04:23 PM
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=35000.msg608273#msg608273 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=35000.msg608273#msg608273)
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Give me a petrol anyday.
Oh,and becoz they are dinosaurs, like their engines. petrol hybrid is the way to go. In 20 years time we will all have electric motors at each four corners.
Post by: gronk on July 12, 2014, 08:06:47 PM
But.....if you drive a petrol......it will just cost you a little bit more to enjoy the great outdoors !!!!!!!!! ;D
Post by: Swannie on July 12, 2014, 08:07:00 PM
Swannie
Post by: scarps on July 12, 2014, 08:07:44 PM
Go for it I say:-)
Post by: Mace on July 12, 2014, 08:08:59 PM
Yep I remember that thread mace. This is not an argument Diesel vs Petrol, my next one will most likely be a diesel it's more about me feeling a little inadequate ;D
Don't do it, hybrid mate, be a trend setter, not old school. :cheers:
Post by: speewa158 on July 12, 2014, 09:01:44 PM
While they're arguing about that, they're leaving Jeeps alone.
Go for it I say:-)
There is NOTHING superior about Jeep, Jeep Owners ,Jeepers Petrol or Oilers Your right No Argument ::) ::) :cheers:
Post by: oldmate on July 12, 2014, 09:04:08 PM
Post by: areyonga on July 12, 2014, 09:07:02 PM
All campers are equal....and we all are out there to enjoy the outdoors..
But.....if you drive a petrol......it will just cost you a little bit more to enjoy the great outdoors !!!!!!!!! ;D
Hmmm will it now, I dont think so when you put the extra purchase cost of a diesel on top, I am still a long way in front after owning the petrol cruiser for 4 years
Post by: Jakster1 on July 12, 2014, 09:08:47 PM
Diesel is in fashion.
My prediction is the novelty will wear off and people will go back to petrol.
Petrols are cheaper to buy, run and service.
They burn cleaner and they way high tech diesels are going they're simpler.
New petrol tech is now producing more powerful and economical petty engines so fuel
Economy will no longer be an issue.
Post by: scarps on July 12, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
While they're arguing about that, they're leaving Jeeps alone.C'mon speewa, I know deep down, you're a closet Jeep lover:-)
Go for it I say:-)
There is NOTHING superior about Jeep, Jeep Owners ,Jeepers Petrol or Oilers Your right No Argument ::) ::) :cheers:
Post by: scarps on July 12, 2014, 09:12:32 PM
Yeah I've often wondered this myself. Seems now that everyone wants a diesel whether it be a 4wd, 2 wd, wagon, sedan, ute, hatchback, SUV you name it.reckon I agree with you here Jakster1, plus Diesel seems to be less affected by weekly price fluctuations (god I had to spell check that once or twice), while unleaded is more competitively priced.
Diesel is in fashion.
My prediction is the novelty will wear off and people will go back to petrol.
Petrols are cheaper to buy, run and service.
They burn cleaner and they way high tech diesels are going they're simpler.
New petrol tech is now producing more powerful and economical petty engines so fuel
Economy will no longer be an issue.
Post by: speewa158 on July 12, 2014, 09:18:48 PM
Post by: graham on July 12, 2014, 09:23:05 PM
Cheers
Post by: xcvator on July 12, 2014, 09:23:37 PM
Post by: alnjan on July 12, 2014, 10:31:26 PM
Post by: lino6 on July 12, 2014, 10:47:02 PM
End of the day, who cares what others think. :cup:
Post by: Mace on July 12, 2014, 10:48:53 PM
Yeah I've often wondered this myself. Seems now that everyone wants a diesel whether it be a 4wd, 2 wd, wagon, sedan, ute, hatchback, SUV you name it.Volkswagen is putting $$ into petrol hybrid, GM have never really gone diesel, and Toyota are also pro petrol hybrid.
Diesel is in fashion.
My prediction is the novelty will wear off and people will go back to petrol.
Petrols are cheaper to buy, run and service.
They burn cleaner and they way high tech diesels are going they're simpler.
New petrol tech is now producing more powerful and economical petty engines so fuel
Economy will no longer be an issue.
Really it's a no brainer, manufacturers want low weight and better economy, diesel just doesn't stack up. The gains made with petrol over the last few years are amazing. Hybrid technology will just magnify these gains.
Post by: nab on July 12, 2014, 10:58:35 PM
If I was buying again they would both be on my shopping list, only for a new one though. The older petrols drank like a fish!! They were cheaper to buy but also harder to sell.
Post by: Ynot on July 12, 2014, 11:18:11 PM
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Post by: dazzler on July 13, 2014, 12:02:36 AM
My TD Prado 120 gets around 12.5 lphk average (been towing lately).
His FJ Cruiser Petrol gets 11.
And I know the FJ would leave mine for dead.
Post by: muzza01 on July 13, 2014, 08:06:01 AM
Some people just like to argue their point to make up for the personal inadequacies.... Some argue because they like their own voice.
End of the day, who cares what others think. :cup:
X2
It all comes down to the same arguments of what's the best 4WD? (Cruza of course), the best tyres, the best winch, blah blah blah. There used to be a fair arguement why diesels were better than pretties but I reckon that has all changed over the last 15-20 years.
I have owned diesel Cruzas for most of my driving life but not long ago I came really close to selling the 105 diesel and buying a 100s petrol. :-*
Don't worry what some others think or say Swannie. :cheers:
Post by: macca on July 13, 2014, 09:28:30 AM
I love the smell of diesel fumes in the morning >:DKeith that's from your heater you left on all night
Don't worry about them swannie just point to the sign outside a servo and show them the 6 to 10 cents a litre more diesel costs.
Post by: Swannie on July 13, 2014, 09:51:00 AM
Swannie
Post by: whitey1 on July 13, 2014, 10:27:15 AM
Oh and I do drive a diesel. Would I buy another one? Possibly not, but I do like the torque, that is once the turbo spins up!
Post by: greg9000 on July 13, 2014, 11:58:31 AM
Post by: Bullant4x4 on July 13, 2014, 12:25:42 PM
Diesel is easier to get anywhere you go and is safer to store.
Post by: noel_w on July 13, 2014, 01:23:48 PM
Post by: Barrabart on July 13, 2014, 07:59:47 PM
I then bought my current 100 series petrol wagon, it too has done everything I expected of it........ and has plenty of grunt and great for chewing up big miles..... Both petrol's have served me well, thoroughly reliable.
Still wish I owned ol' Hessy Hilux though, think I was having a brain snap the day I let her go....................... ???
Post by: VinceGU05 on July 13, 2014, 08:25:17 PM
Post by: Bird on July 13, 2014, 08:27:04 PM
Cause it's hard getting 1200nm out of a petrol. Torque rulz!!:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Post by: Meken on July 14, 2014, 09:28:49 PM
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Post by: dazzler on July 14, 2014, 10:10:34 PM
Diesel is the way to go. The engines are designed to start and not stop. I have started a Diesel engine and run it 12hrs straight without moving it as that is what they are designed to do.
Diesel is easier to get anywhere you go and is safer to store.
Yep. I leave mine idling overnight.
Post by: Coiled on July 14, 2014, 11:15:11 PM
Good example of this is Toyota 200 diesel vs the Nissan Y62 petrol!
Post by: BIGRANG on July 15, 2014, 12:29:59 AM
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Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on July 15, 2014, 06:30:19 AM
Cause it's hard getting 1200nm out of a petrol. Torque rulz!!
No it's not ;D
Post by: StevenB on July 15, 2014, 07:52:29 AM
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Post by: Bird on July 15, 2014, 07:55:32 AM
Quote from: BIGRANG
and looks coolbeauty is in the eye of the beholder..
Post by: Steffo1 on July 15, 2014, 08:01:05 AM
beauty is in the eye of the beholder..X2
Post by: Aaron Schubert on July 15, 2014, 08:04:56 AM
Aaron
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on July 15, 2014, 08:15:19 AM
Why do people have theses attitudes? Aren't we all one enjoying the same ........
Swannie
Look at car shows. They're by far the worst. Don't dare stick GTS badges on a non GTS Monaro, or XU1 stickers on a GTR. You'll never be spoken to again if you painted a base model 6 cyl auto XC coupe white with blue stripes and possibly spat on if you fit a shaker to an XW ::)
Those type are all a bunch of wankers. There's thousands of them. Owning a petrol 4x4 compared to a diesel to some, is like owning a 253 auto Monaro compared to a 308 4 speed GTS. You'll always be second rate in the eyes of some, yet those with neither will be envious of either.
Then, there's Torana owners.............. :-*
Shane.
Post by: RedDmaxxx on July 15, 2014, 09:26:55 AM
Post by: Bird on July 15, 2014, 09:44:26 AM
Look at car shows. They're by far the worst. Don't dare stick GTS badges on a non GTS Monaro, or XU1 stickers on a GTR. You'll never be spoken to again if you painted a base model 6 cyl auto XC coupe white with blue stripes and possibly spat on if you fit a shaker to an XW ::)Gee, what would they think of this old build up in UnZud...
Those type are all a bunch of wankers. There's thousands of them. Owning a petrol 4x4 compared to a diesel to some, is like owning a 253 auto Monaro compared to a 308 4 speed GTS. You'll always be second rate in the eyes of some, yet those with neither will be envious of either.
Then, there's Torana owners.............. :-*
Shane.
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Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on July 15, 2014, 09:56:25 AM
Gee, what would they think of this old build up in UnZud...
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That thing really got up the nose of some purists. :cup:
Post by: noel_w on July 15, 2014, 09:57:00 AM
Gee, what would they think of this old build up in UnZud...
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That is wrong in so many ways.
It should be red with blue stripes!!
Post by: Swannie on July 15, 2014, 10:03:17 AM
Swannie
Post by: Bird on July 15, 2014, 10:04:11 AM
That thing really got up the nose of some purists. :cup:how about this then - what to do with a bent Ferrari...
http://www.diversstreetrods.com/ferrambo--the-build.html (http://www.diversstreetrods.com/ferrambo--the-build.html)
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Post by: chester ver2.0 on July 15, 2014, 11:02:42 AM
Perhaps because people are narrow minded and rely on what marketing departments and funded product reviews in the media tell them??
Good example of this is Toyota 200 diesel vs the Nissan Y62 petrol!
Hey it is not even that i ran the numbers between a 200 diesel and a 200 petrol. Yes if you are towing a big van the diesel torque is great but when you factor in the 10,000 dollar difference in price and if you only have a camper the petrol went damn close to being in the driveway
Post by: xcvator on July 15, 2014, 11:10:35 AM
Post by: BigJules on July 15, 2014, 11:14:30 AM
There are fancier cars and campers, and it would be lovely to have the best of both but one must make do with what one can manage and be comfortable with that, and I think as a rule myswaggers aren't too judgemental about these things.
I've loved my Cruiser but I would now prefer a diesel tow vehicle for the torque. Of course whatever I'm driving I'm towing the Trackabout so no upgrades required back there 8)
Post by: Mallory Black on July 15, 2014, 11:41:56 AM
Post by: kylarama on July 15, 2014, 12:37:01 PM
I'm double gone... drive a petrol fourby AND has IFS LOL
I'm even further gone. The family cars a petrol auto fourby with IFS, IRS and a monocoque body...
I get points back as my daily drivers a diesel manual fourby. ;D
Post by: MDS69 on July 15, 2014, 12:47:44 PM
Post by: BigJules on July 15, 2014, 02:19:43 PM
Post by: MDS69 on July 15, 2014, 02:29:21 PM
I believe it is largely true that whilst one will pay more for a diesel 4wby over the petrol equivalent, Land Cruiser for instance, that price premium is recouped on resale.
True but why wait 6-10 years to recoup that outlay.
Post by: Meken on July 15, 2014, 06:00:05 PM
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Post by: Elky on July 15, 2014, 06:11:36 PM
last month in the market for a new work ute to replace my 99 lux petrol 2.7 4 banger, would of liked the same thing again but yota dont do a petty 4 banger 4wd anymore.....only the v6 and only in a sr5 dual cab, i really did want a petrol but the only choice was the colorado with commo v6 (no thanks) or triton (no thanks) infact there is bugger all choice now
so i have got a dmax, i know i will love it but still unsure of CRD engines, i know petrol and EFI quite well and water in the fuel is not really an issue like on diesels
petrol engines have bridged the gap to diesel
cheers
Post by: mcfqn on July 15, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
Add to the fact I saved $6k instead of buying a D4D I'm happy with my choice. Plus the look on the diesel boys face when I pull away from them uphill is priceless haha
Post by: Diesel Power on July 15, 2014, 09:01:05 PM
Whoever suggested about idleing their diesel for 12hrs, that's not a good thing as they glaze the bore if not worked.
Regards
Post by: Black Diamond on July 15, 2014, 09:21:52 PM
Don't be petty about driving a petty. Just as long as you're getting out there and enjoying it!Agree with you there and that's always been my thinking. Not sure what the thinking behind this is can someone fill us in?
Whoever suggested about idleing their diesel for 12hrs, that's not a good thing as they glaze the bore if not worked.
Regards
BTW I run a petrol 80 as well. As much as it lacks power on the road especially when towing compared to some of the newer oilers, it's a whole different beast when in low range.
Post by: toad on July 15, 2014, 09:36:08 PM
1/ range in the outback, which includes torque, etc, etc.
2/ availability of fuel in the outback
Petrol vs diesel models - purchase price, resale, service costs, economy all seem to reach a common denominator after some time.
In other words, if I bought a car or 4WD for the city and local environs, I could probably buy a petrol.
Post by: Swannie on July 15, 2014, 09:49:21 PM
Agree with you there and that's always been my thinking. Not sure what the thinking behind this is can someone fill us in?Us petrol 80 owners need to stick together brother & we cant forget brother Brett B :)
BTW I run a petrol 80 as well. As much as it lacks power on the road especially when towing compared to some of the newer oilers, it's a whole different beast when in low range.
swannie
Post by: GeoffA on July 15, 2014, 09:53:21 PM
Post by: Swannie on July 15, 2014, 09:55:37 PM
Just imagine if you had a petrol JEEP........ ;D ;D ;D
Geez I've missed you
Swannie
Post by: xcvator on July 15, 2014, 10:49:19 PM
Steve, can I borrow that flame suit of yours please :D
Post by: lino6 on July 15, 2014, 10:56:36 PM
Didn't you all notice how my poor old all original diesel "jackaroo 99 " kept up with everybody at Eildon and at Knockwood
99, thats 10 less years than my Rodeo carrying half a tonne of firewood! Fun times!
Post by: GeoffA on July 16, 2014, 07:18:09 AM
Geez I've missed you
Swannie
Greg,
Why worry about what others may think? Most that fervently push their own opinion are tossers anyway......
Range is the only REAL issue that you MAY encounter, depending where you go. But, if you plan ahead, have an idea of your fuel consumption in different conditions, and know what your fuel gauge is telling you, the issue can usually be managed. It's something we all must do. It's only in very remote areas that it might become a problem.
Petrol or diesel, doesn't really matter that much for most people.....eventually the tank must be filled......
:cheers:
Geoff
Post by: Beefgravy on July 16, 2014, 11:29:30 AM
Just imagine if you had a petrol JEEP........ ;D ;D ;D
Those of us with V8 petrol Jeeps are certainly a different breed. Gee they tow nice though. :D
Post by: dlncooke on July 18, 2014, 06:38:20 AM
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Post by: Brett B on July 18, 2014, 07:46:32 AM
Us petrol 80 owners need to stick together brother & we cant forget brother Brett B :)
swannie
Im still here ;D
Post by: Bunyip on July 18, 2014, 08:03:35 AM
Im still here ;DI wish I was still there.
Love the hungie but nothing beats an 80
Post by: Beatle on July 18, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
I always tell the diesel guy at the show that I bought a petrol so i don't need to waste time modifying a diesel to get power out of it. You should see them when I suggest the 1FZ lasts longer than the 1HDT ;D Or, tell them you bought the best 'cause you aren't a tight arse and can afford it :cup:
Post by: Ian Wilkinson on July 19, 2014, 06:15:34 PM
Post by: DeLuxHiLux on July 19, 2014, 09:41:23 PM
However, both of these can be overcome, if you don't intend to do remote outback travel or go through deep water crossings, it doesn't even matter. Whatever works for you and your situation
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Post by: Topender on July 19, 2014, 10:02:39 PM
Those of us with V8 petrol Jeeps are certainly a different breed. Gee they tow nice though. :D
When they're on a trailer.......lol :cup:
Post by: Bullant4x4 on July 20, 2014, 08:03:05 AM
When they're on a trailer.......lol :cup:
X2 :)
Post by: kylarama on July 20, 2014, 08:46:33 AM
Its alot harder to drown a diesel in a creek with a soggy sparks box than a petrol. Can get diesel easier in remote outback locations due to restrictions on petrol sales
However, both of these can be overcome, if you don't intend to do remote outback travel or go through deep water crossings, it doesn't even matter. Whatever works for you and your situation
On the other side of it. Suck some water though the intake of a petrol and after a bit of a dry out your generally on your way again. On a diesel your looking for a tow truck. Plus all the stuff loaded into the engine bays of a modern CRD diesels is about as water friendly as a petrol.
Post by: GeoffA on July 20, 2014, 08:55:36 AM
On the other side of it. Suck some water though the intake of a petrol and after a bit of a dry out your generally on your way again. On a diesel your looking for a tow truck. Plus all the stuff loaded into the engine bays of a modern CRD diesels is about as water friendly as a petrol.
Yep. Once they got rid of distributors, petrols have been just as good at the deep stuff .........
Post by: DeLuxHiLux on July 20, 2014, 02:32:32 PM
On the other side of it. Suck some water though the intake of a petrol and after a bit of a dry out your generally on your way again. On a diesel your looking for a tow truck. Plus all the stuff loaded into the engine bays of a modern CRD diesels is about as water friendly as a petrol.
Yeah. Thats why i said "harder to drown" not "you cant drown". Down side of common rail but why God invented Snorkels :-)
Post by: pmturnbull on July 20, 2014, 10:04:24 PM
I won't talk to much about the money I lost on my 3litre patrol when it blew up and don't get me started on my piece Shit bt-50 I had. lol