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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: pieater on July 12, 2013, 06:57:16 PM
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Hi there everyone.my husband and I are looking at the 76 series landcruisers troopers with 4 doors preferably Gxl. does anyone have one and how do you find them overall?
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a husband ?........and here we were all thinking your were single >:D
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in a word...awesome!!
V8 turbo diesel....torque to spare if u tow!
I dont have one but i know of a few people who do.. :cup:
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I have one. Had since new, now almost 4 yrs old with 110k on it.
Great truck, awesome engine. But a bit uncomfortable.
I'm 6' and the driving position is cramped. The new ones have more movement in the seat rails so if buying new then this might not be a problem.
I have the factory diff locks, they work a treat.
Just be careful with choice of aftermarket suspension.
And make sure you keep clean fuel going into them. Like all common rail diesels they don't like crappy fuel.
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Great thanks for the info.
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Great towing rig, I have one second hand. I agree with the lack of legroom when in the drivers seat if your tall. Mine is 2009 workmate.
Suspension? Well suited to OME 2" sports package set to nominated payload.
Many suggest a fuel watch system /pre filter for your fuel and I would agree.
Otherwise all good and will have this rig for a long time to come.
Cheers
Chris
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Went for a drive in one last week, gxl, it was great, I know what is going to replace my patrol in 2 years time! Been driving the troopies as clinic vehicles while I am out here and there is alot to like about the bent 8 diesel.
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Pieater, can I ask why the 76 in particular? Ie what is your intended use? My father has a fully optioned 76 gxl which I have driven extensively back to back against my 200 & previous 4x4 (jeep GC) so I can make some comparisons etc. These vehicles are built for tough off road use and general work, hence why mines, construction companies etc love them. Ideal for cape, high country etc IF you can transport them to your destination on a train. And that's the clincher: they are old school body & suspension design and aren't comparable to other modern vehicles for day to day use and highway driving. That simple, others may disagree but that's my take on it. In other words, not a great all rounder, the 76 is the "mud terrain tyre" of 4wd's if you get my drift. Brilliant for specific purposes. One aside, IMHO the single turbo V8 is a bit over rated, although I am comparing it to the 200 TTD so a bit unfair. But it feels a bit breathless and runs out of puff at about 2500rpm, needs a decent exhaust/chip package. Hope its what you need/want. Good luck.
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Pieater, can I ask why the 76 in particular? Ie what is your intended use? My father has a fully optioned 76 gxl which I have driven extensively back to back against my 200 & previous 4x4 (jeep GC) so I can make some comparisons etc. These vehicles are built for tough off road use and general work, hence why mines, construction companies etc love them. Ideal for cape, high country etc IF you can transport them to your destination on a train. And that's the clincher: they are old school body & suspension design and aren't comparable to other modern vehicles for day to day use and highway driving. That simple, others may disagree but that's my take on it. In other words, not a great all rounder, the 76 is the "mud terrain tyre" of 4wd's if you get my drift. Brilliant for specific purposes. One aside, IMHO the single turbo V8 is a bit over rated, although I am comparing it to the 200 TTD so a bit unfair. But it feels a bit breathless and runs out of puff at about 2500rpm, needs a decent exhaust/chip package. Hope its what you need/want. Good luck.
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Have to agree, they are a truck, and you have to take the good with the bad. I love mine and a few mods have been made. Refer my build.
My next mod is taking the vehicle to a motor trimmer who will make the seats more comfortable for around $400 each. Extra $ for lumbar, bolsters etc. so looking at $400-800 each. Cheaper than Recaro seats.
Wayne
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=24538.150 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=24538.150)
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Pieater, can I ask why the 76 in particular? Ie what is your intended use? My father has a fully optioned 76 gxl which I have driven extensively back to back against my 200 & previous 4x4 (jeep GC) so I can make some comparisons etc. These vehicles are built for tough off road use and general work, hence why mines, construction companies etc love them. Ideal for cape, high country etc IF you can transport them to your destination on a train. And that's the clincher: they are old school body & suspension design and aren't comparable to other modern vehicles for day to day use and highway driving. That simple, others may disagree but that's my take on it. In other words, not a great all rounder, the 76 is the "mud terrain tyre" of 4wd's if you get my drift. Brilliant for specific purposes. One aside, IMHO the single turbo V8 is a bit over rated, although I am comparing it to the 200 TTD so a bit unfair. But it feels a bit breathless and runs out of puff at about 2500rpm, needs a decent exhaust/chip package. Hope its what you need/want. Good luck.
The 70 series always have been work and farm trucks, they aren't built for highway use. Having said that if you really don't care about comfort (like me) then they do make good touring vehicles.
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Thankyou for all of your info.the more info I am getting the easier it is to decide on weather to buy one.it sounds like they are not the most comfortable car to be in so I think a test drive in one just might have to happen before buying one and to consider the 200series as well.maybe it might b the better car considering you can get one for around the same price.
Thankyou heaps everyone. Appreciate it
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And that's the clincher: they are old school body & suspension design and aren't comparable to other modern vehicles for day to day use and highway driving. That simple, others may disagree but that's my take on it. In other words, not a great all rounder, the 76 is the "mud terrain tyre" of 4wd's if you get my drift. Brilliant for specific purposes.
OLD SCHOOL- ??? ??? ???- A term that is often referred to the Nissan Patrol. I like OLD SCHOOL, at least with OLD SCHOOL you can normally repair water damage on the side of the road, Spare parts for OLD SCHOOL can be found in every town with a population of 20 persons or more, You don,t need a diploma in rocket science to work on OLD SCHOOL your average mechanic can do your work for you if you are not mechanically minded. And with OLD SCHOOL you have control of when you want to engage High/Low range by using your hand on a stick/leaver to do the engaging not an electronic gadget that will fail at the slightest sniff of water or dust. OLD SCHOOL suspension will remind you of what the road condition are and you can adjust your speed to suit the conditions and reduce the damage to your OLD SCHOOL 4x4.
OLD SCHOOL 4x4's regardless of the brand have style the is unique, not like these all look the same modern 4x4's that will be written of by insurance the moment you go to deep into water and the electronics fail.
Give me OLD SCHOOL any day, if I were ever to crossover to the dark side (form Nissan to Toyota) it would be a 76 series that I would be looking for. I like the MUD TERRIAN TYRE type four wheel drive, not the road tyre pussy so called four wheel drive that people only drive on the highway.
cheers duggie
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You tell 'em duggie...... :cup: :cup:
....but I can see the attraction with the 200's.....very nice......
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We currently have an 80 series turbo diesel land cruiser and was looking to update to a later model something with simplicity so the 76 series kind of fits the bill as it seems to be pretty straight forward. We are no frills kind of people in saying that the 80 has all the power options so didn't want to step back from that so I guess a Gxl 76 would probably fit the bill. Ultimately dependable reliability of the 80 series has spoilt us so the 76 series appears to be the closest match up but haven't ruled out the 200.just a bit weary of the earlier oil consumption issue with the twin turbo model but don't know enough about that problem to comment.
Thanks for all the feedback, keep it coming, really enjoy the chat with you guys.
Thanks
Pieater
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Duggie, when it comes to genuine OLD SCHOOL, I would prefer to talk about 2H motors and the 75 series. Out here in the communities you can rebuild a motor and not touch a mechanics shop, there are so many parts available in the 4wd graveyards.
The 200 series I would not even think about, too much alloy, not enough real steel.
Regards
Tjupurula
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Duggie, when it comes to genuine OLD SCHOOL........
Don't worry Tj, if ANYONE knows genuine OLD SCHOOL (any brand) and how to keep it going, it's duggie......
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Duggie, when it comes to genuine OLD SCHOOL, I would prefer to talk about 2H motors and the 75 series. Out here in the communities you can rebuild a motor and not touch a mechanics shop, there are so many parts available in the 4wd graveyards.
That's one of the reasons why I got a HDJ79 - you can usually find parts for them anywhere, and failing that on old mate's station he usually will have a wrecked 75 out the back somewhere that will have bits on it.
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I would keep the 80 series better than them all ;D
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Pieater, can I ask why the 76 in particular? Ie what is your intended use? My father has a fully optioned 76 gxl which I have driven extensively back to back against my 200 & previous 4x4 (jeep GC) so I can make some comparisons etc. These vehicles are built for tough off road use and general work, hence why mines, construction companies etc love them. Ideal for cape, high country etc IF you can transport them to your destination on a train. And that's the clincher: they are old school body & suspension design and aren't comparable to other modern vehicles for day to day use and highway driving. That simple, others may disagree but that's my take on it. In other words, not a great all rounder, the 76 is the "mud terrain tyre" of 4wd's if you get my drift. Brilliant for specific purposes. One aside, IMHO the single turbo V8 is a bit over rated, although I am comparing it to the 200 TTD so a bit unfair. But it feels a bit breathless and runs out of puff at about 2500rpm, needs a decent exhaust/chip package. Hope its what you need/want. Good luck.
Pretty much agree with all that.
The 76 is the real "poverty pack" of the toyota station wagon range.
However, I have a 2006 model 78 series LX troop carrier (now called GXL) and are very happy with it. Like the current GXL troopies it's licensed as a 5 seat station wagon and has a forward facing rear seat.
Only 2 doors though but that is not a problem for us, retired and rarely more than 2 in the vehicle. The troopy has the samel running gear to the 76 series and a hugely larger cargo area which I find essential when touring. You can easily sleep in the back and you do not have to crawl around to load and unload it. Downside is its a longer and taller vehicle than the 76 and not an ideal city daily drive.
Obviously I don't know what your purchasing priorities are but if you are looking for a touring vehicle (and have a daily drive as well) put the troopy on your wishlist and take a look at them.
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My truck is very basic. I don't even have a clock (500$) but the new models come with a clock, lockers and ABS. I paid for the lockers to be installed(genuine). I am running EFS suspension which I have had before. More than happy. Once I get some weight in the back, cargo barrier,drawers, bits and pieces she should settle down and not be so bouncy. Be mindful the basic 200 series is just that, basic.
$85k for a 200 and $72k for 76. I also have a Beaudesert 3 inch stainless exhaust system which puts out a bit more power. Belle tows my Aussie Swag with no problems. The standard suspension was fine but I had a 2 inch lift. Good luck.
Wayne
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My truck is very basic. I don't even have a clock (500$) but the new models come with a clock, lockers and ABS. I paid for the lockers to be installed(genuine). I am running EFS suspension which I have had before. More than happy. Once I get some weight in the back, cargo barrier,drawers, bits and pieces she should settle down and not be so bouncy. Be mindful the basic 200 series is just that, basic.
$85k for a 200 and $72k for 76. I also have a Beaudesert 3 inch stainless exhaust system which puts out a bit more power. Belle tows my Aussie Swag with no problems. The standard suspension was fine but I had a 2 inch lift. Good luck.
Wayne
Did you keep the standard shockers Wayne, or change them over ?
Tjupurula
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No I have EFS heavy duty or similar. Did you end up getting your truck or not? I remember talking about it a decade or so ago.
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No I have EFS heavy duty or similar. Did you end up getting your truck or not? I remember talking about it a decade or so ago.
Yes, I got the 2012 Workmate tray back, but my second son is using it for now. I am not allowed to drive for at least 12 months after having the heart attacks and surgery, and the young fella uses it for work and looks after it well.
Regards
Tjupurula
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One other oft over looked technical fact about the 76 series is that the front track is 80-100mm wider than the rear. This may or may not be an issue, but as an example it means when driving in soft, rutted sand that the back wheels are not tracking perfectly behind the front & therefore incurring extra resistance. Quantifying this in any meaningful way is difficult, but for what its worth driven back to back with a petrol GQ patrol (which my father still owns) the 76 "seems" to struggle in comparison IMHO. As before this comment could be at odds with other opinions, but in my experience on myswag there is a definite trend for owners to defend their own ride with very one eyed biased opinions rather than accepting that every vehicle has an intended use & will have limitations when used for other purposes. Eg I am well aware a 200 series is poor tight twisting tracks, where excess weight is an issue, and where parking ANYWHERE is required. But don't use it much in those circumstances, therefore suits me. Same for 76: there are plenty of situations where this is the ultimate vehicle of choice, and maybe highway noise, crap driving position and stupidly low 5th gearing are issues that don't affect you, in which case it would be perfect.
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One other oft over looked technical fact about the 76 series is that the front track is 80-100mm wider than the rear.
Couple of spacers soon fixes that, have you fitted the spacers I gave you Fuji?
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Couple of spacers soon fixes that, have you fitted the spacers I gave you Fuji?
D4D, are they legal ie will they affect insurance?
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Couple of spacers soon fixes that, have you fitted the spacers I gave you Fuji?
No not yet.
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D4D, are they legal ie will they affect insurance?
Hmmmm, don't think so. Recaro seat aren't legal until they have been signed off by a engineer and VicRoads
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D4D, are they legal ie will they affect insurance?
Doesn't matter he runs HIDs anyway ;D
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One other oft over looked technical fact about the 76 series is that the front track is 80-100mm wider than the rear. This may or may not be an issue, but as an example it means when driving in soft, rutted sand that the back wheels are not tracking perfectly behind the front & therefore incurring extra resistance. Quantifying this in any meaningful way is difficult, but for what its worth driven back to back with a petrol GQ patrol (which my father still owns) the 76 "seems" to struggle in comparison IMHO. As before this comment could be at odds with other opinions, but in my experience on myswag there is a definite trend for owners to defend their own ride with very one eyed biased opinions rather than accepting that every vehicle has an intended use & will have limitations when used for other purposes. Eg I am well aware a 200 series is poor tight twisting tracks, where excess weight is an issue, and where parking ANYWHERE is required. But don't use it much in those circumstances, therefore suits me. Same for 76: there are plenty of situations where this is the ultimate vehicle of choice, and maybe highway noise, crap driving position and stupidly low 5th gearing are issues that don't affect you, in which case it would be perfect.
IMHO
Lowering tyre pressures to a suitable pressure would compensate for the tracking difference!
OT, Are the 76 a twin turbo'ed engine? As I thought they were a single turbo unit?
I recently spotted a 76 stickered up "Twin Turbo" ??
cheers
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Couple of spacers soon fixes that, have you fitted the spacers I gave you Fuji?
Wheel spacers are NOT legal.
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Wheel spacers are NOT legal.
Agreed but there are wheel spacers and then there are wheel spacers. The spacers I gave Fuji are hub centric and have their own studs rather than just spacing out the rim and loosing length on the OE studs.
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jwb, maybe he ripped out the motor and put in a 200 series twin turbo. Is that anything like the wa%^#kers putting chev badges on their Commodores? lol
fuji
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Is that anything like the wa%^#kers putting chev badges on their Commodores? lol
That's your favourite target around here isn't it :police:
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you blokes ( and the original poster) would solve all your Toyota problems if............. :angel:
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Is that anything like the wa%^#kers putting chev badges on their Commodores? lol
fuji
:cup: :cup: GOLD I have to agree with your statement.
cheers duggie
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you blokes ( and the original poster) would solve all your Toyota problems if............. :angel:
Yes, if only the OP had signalled their intention to buy your brand. In fact with the type of loyalty on display they would probably give u a job in PR & sales....
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Yes, if only the OP had signalled their intention to buy your brand. In fact with the type of loyalty on display they would probably give u a job in PR & sales....
hope it pays well ;D
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hope it pays well ;D
I was of the impression you would do it for love.... ;D
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That's your favourite target around here isn't it :police:
Yep and Shittey beat up Comodes. Find one of them and just about guarantee he will be on a suspended licence :police:
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Agreed but there are wheel spacers and then there are wheel spacers. The spacers I gave Fuji are hub centric and have their own studs rather than just spacing out the rim and loosing length on the OE studs.
Fair enough but still illegal.
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Hi,
I had a 76 from new. 3 years and 140000 ks. It was 2007. Used heaps of oil for the first 45000ks. I'm pretty sure this problem was fixed over the years. Had stacks of power, i loved the off road ability, Snow and ice, mud, sand, all in its stride. Reliability was good, no breakdowns. Fuel economy was around 10.5 l/100ks over the 3 years. i never noticed any negative effect from the wheel bases differing widths. Towing was a breeze. The suspension was horrid (i kept it standard tho). I liked the driving postion and found it quite comfortable. There were no creature comforts at all, not even a cup holder. Did i mention the power? I sold it and purchased a new d4d sr5 hilux and hated it, felt gutless compared to the mighty v8. I really miss the 76 series and will most likely get another one oneday....
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One other oft over looked technical fact about the 76 series is that the front track is 80-100mm wider than the rear. This may or may not be an issue, but as an example it means when driving in soft, rutted sand that the back wheels are not tracking perfectly behind the front & therefore incurring extra resistance. Quantifying this in any meaningful way is difficult, but for what its worth driven back to back with a petrol GQ patrol (which my father still owns) the 76 "seems" to struggle in comparison IMHO. As before this comment could be at odds with other opinions, but in my experience on myswag there is a definite trend for owners to defend their own ride with very one eyed biased opinions rather than accepting that every vehicle has an intended use & will have limitations when used for other purposes. Eg I am well aware a 200 series is poor tight twisting tracks, where excess weight is an issue, and where parking ANYWHERE is required. But don't use it much in those circumstances, therefore suits me. Same for 76: there are plenty of situations where this is the ultimate vehicle of choice, and maybe highway noise, crap driving position and stupidly low 5th gearing are issues that don't affect you, in which case it would be perfect.
Funny how people make an issue out of this with the 70 Series. Wonder what the front and rear track for similar vehicles are.
http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-patrol-gu-gr-10/gu-ute-track-measurement-12056/ (http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-patrol-gu-gr-10/gu-ute-track-measurement-12056/)
As I say it is only an issue to those that want to make it an issue, but don't know the whole story
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Doesn't matter he runs HIDs anyway ;D
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Oh that's cruel!
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Moved to Rants
Cheers
Chris
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Agreed but there are wheel spacers and then there are wheel spacers. The spacers I gave Fuji are hub centric and have their own studs rather than just spacing out the rim and loosing length on the OE studs.
Doesn't matter what style of spacer is used, the original hub/axle and bearings still see an eccentric/increased load.
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Other reasons I think they are great...
Lighter than the new Patrol and 200 series equivalent and just as capable. There are more fuel efficient then these equivalents as well with the new Patrol V8 boasting a 17 to 20litre per 100km fuel consumption. :o even on the hwy.
My 76er with the 4.5ltr V8 turbo Diesel did 12ltres/km last week on the hwy. :cup: Neither of the above units can mach this.
Tougher exterior and plenty of options with a awesome 3500kg braked towing platform made better by the leaf springs in the back.
Cheers
Chris
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Other reasons I think they are great...
Lighter than the new Patrol and 200 series equivalent and just as capable. There are more fuel efficient then these equivalents as well with the new Patrol V8 boasting a 17 to 20litre per 100km fuel consumption. :o even on the hwy.
My 76er with the 4.5ltr V8 turbo Diesel did 12ltres/km last week on the hwy. :cup: Neither of the above units can mach this.
Tougher exterior and plenty of options with a awesome 3500kg braked towing platform made better by the leaf springs in the back.
Cheers
Chris
Hey Chris, I love the 76 series, but I wanted some more creature comforts for a daily drive and Auto.
BTW our 200 returns 12l per 100ks no worries even with the ATs and bullbar. Even giving it stick rarely gets to 13.
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Hey Chris, I love the 76 series, but I wanted some more creature comforts for a daily drive and Auto.
BTW our 200 returns 12l per 100ks no worries even with the ATs and bullbar. Even giving it stick rarely gets to 13.
Doing what, if u don't mind me asking? Highway yes, 12l/100k achieveable, around town whilst "giving it stick" I can't get below 14's. 13's if I am damn restrained, but anyone who has driven or owned a 200 diesel would know that restraining the right foot is like expecting Warne not to twitter.
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Doing what, if u don't mind me asking? Highway yes, 12l/100k achieveable, around town whilst "giving it stick" I can't get below 14's. 13's if I am damn restrained, but anyone who has driven or owned a 200 diesel would know that restraining the right foot is like expecting Warne not to twitter.
No idea, I don't even bother checking the gauge just see the fuel reports come in. Driving around Sydney I constantly get 12. As said ATs tyres at 39psi, bullbar no roof racks.
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The 200 is running a 4.7 twin turbo intercooled? Similar setup to the 76 but I get the 4.5 with single turbo intercooled.
Fully loaded traveling off road I get a fuel consumption of 13-15 L per 100km. Tested (not trip computer) Thing is I am only driving a rig that weighs around 2300kgs with a pay load available of at least 700kg.
Although the 200 is a very nice car and a very comfortable drive it lacked the toughness I wanted in a 4x4 vehicle. And the 76 series under 80k fully optioned how could you go wrong.
With the 200 I was looking at a weight of about 2700kg empty and payload available of 650kg max. Extra weight on tires running gear and even off road leads me to believe that I am going to use a whole lot more fuel to stay on top of things and a few extra tire changes around town.
Cheers
Chris
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The 200 and the 70 Series share the same diesel engine the 4.5V8. The 200 is twin turbo, while the 70 Series is single turbo.
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Must have been thinking of the Lexus... 8)
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76 series are the best for travelling in the bush, you will find spare parts in cars all over the place. The cars have been dumped in many communities because the fools get royalties, and just get a new car each year, then just get rid of the old one. We had the same 76 trayback for many years, and never bought a spare part, just scavenged at community dumps and found everything needed
Tjupurula
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My brother in law has recently bought himself a 2010 76 and he's fairly happy with it. The issues however are taht there is a fair bit of wind noise when at hi way speeds, enough to have to raise your voice to talk. His air con is also quite woeful on a 30 plus degree day and as has been said its rather uncomfortable.
Others may love them and these observations may be in his vehicle only as I've not driven another, but if their all like tis I personally couldn't see myself doing thousands of Kms in them.
Shane