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Title: Winches
Post by: moseyroc on May 06, 2013, 01:02:46 PM
We are currently in the market for a new 12000 lb winch for our 80 series as our trusty old Warn expired & is not repairable. We are heading to the Cape in August & want an idea on what brands to look at. Our price range is up to $1300. Any ideas would be appreciated, I have found a new VRS 12500lb for $1127 but am unsure of the quality, I have also looked at Ironman, Avenger, & TJM ox as well. Its really only insurance if we get stuck on this or any other trip we do towing the Cub with it & the truck fully loaded. Any advice on these or other brands within this price range would be appreciated.

Cheers
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: Bird on May 06, 2013, 01:09:06 PM
Buy a good used Warn M10000..
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: D4D on May 06, 2013, 01:15:17 PM
I've heard good things about the Premier winches http://www.premierwinch.com.au/default.asp?action=article&ID=21561 (http://www.premierwinch.com.au/default.asp?action=article&ID=21561)

How is you Warn not repairable? Mal Leslie can fix anything.
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: Redback on May 06, 2013, 01:36:19 PM
I have a VRS 9500lb winch, been great for the las two years and we have used it numerous times, actually I think all the winches mentioned so far will be fine.

Baz.
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: Offroad 4x4 Accessories on May 06, 2013, 01:55:18 PM
Hi moseyroc
Before I say to much and just so you know yes I do sell winches- Runva and Mean Mother winches.
My first question is what is wrong with your Warn winch? They are usually good to get parts for.
If you do end up getting a new winch just make sure you look at the specs. There are a lot on the market that have small motors and the gear ratio is not matched to suit this. This means you are running everything to maximum and wont last as long as it should.
All the brands mentioned so far should be fine for what you are after.

Tim
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: moseyroc on May 06, 2013, 02:06:13 PM
We were told by a reputable 4x4 store the old warn was completely stuffed so they bought the cable & winch off us for $400, probably got duped but its done now. We also need to get a cradle for the winch as the whole lots been taken off so hopefully that doesn't create too much of a drama.
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: muzza01 on May 06, 2013, 03:04:20 PM
BIg Jules is selling some 12K winches.  It might pay to PM him for some info and whether he has any spare ones.  See below:
Otherwise the new ironman has been getting good reviews.
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=22416.0;topicseen (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=22416.0;topicseen)
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: BigJules on May 06, 2013, 03:14:00 PM
And mine are only $400 to MySwag members.
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: 1HDT on May 06, 2013, 03:19:32 PM
We were told by a reputable 4x4 store the old warn was completely stuffed so they bought the cable & winch off us for $400, probably got duped but its done now. We also need to get a cradle for the winch as the whole lots been taken off so hopefully that doesn't create too much of a drama.

mmmmmm sounds suss ay? "...yeah, nah...its stuffed. But tell ya what.. will help ya out and buy it off ya for 400 bucks"

I shoudnt paint it like that I suppose, I have no idea of the transaction conversation. I just hope you were not taken advantage of moseyroc.

Why do you need a cradle. Shouldnt the new winch just bolt into the mounting holes of the winch bar?
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: BigJules on May 06, 2013, 03:44:58 PM
Only the newer bars take the winch bolted straight up behind, most of the older bars required a separate cradle to mount the winch to the chassis.
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: Bird on May 06, 2013, 03:57:06 PM
Only the newer bars take the winch bolted straight up behind, most of the older bars required a separate cradle to mount the winch to the chassis.
but he had a winch already.
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: moseyroc on May 06, 2013, 04:11:07 PM
Just been offered a burnt out Warn winch 9000 with all attachments & a steel bullbar. How much does it cost to replace the motor & can they be upgraded at all?
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: Bird on May 06, 2013, 04:18:30 PM
Just been offered a burnt out Warn winch 9000 with all attachments & a steel bullbar. How much does it cost to replace the motor & can they be upgraded at all?
motor is easy replacement, dozen bolts.
look on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/350633066725 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/350633066725)

Title: Re: Winches
Post by: moseyroc on May 06, 2013, 04:22:12 PM
My only concern is 9000lb enough to pull out the truck & CT. If I upgrade the motor is that all thats required to increase to say 12000lbs or is there more to it, I'm a novice at this so a bit cautious before I hand over the money for it. Apparently verything else on the winch is fine & there
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: Bird on May 06, 2013, 04:24:40 PM
Quote from: moseyroc
My only concern is 9000lb enough to pull out the truck & CT. If I upgrade the motor is that all thats required to increase to say 12000lbs or is there more to it, I'm a novice at this so a bit cautious before I hand over the money for it. Apparently verything else on the winch is fine & there
There is more to it than motor, it will pull more but not 3000lbs more but the 9000 is round 20kgs lighter.

It will depend how stuck you really are. You can also use snatch blocks for a double/triple line pull... Easierst way.

And if your really that stuck, remove the trailer, and recover 1 at a time.
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: moseyroc on May 06, 2013, 04:32:10 PM
Yeah we have a snatch block , just wasn't sure about the motor side of things, thanks!
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: D4D on May 06, 2013, 04:39:51 PM
Only the newer bars take the winch bolted straight up behind, most of the older bars required a separate cradle to mount the winch to the chassis.

I'm using the same Warn xp in my Prado as I did in my GQ and neither ARB bar required a cradle .
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: muzza01 on May 06, 2013, 06:23:34 PM
We all used to use 9k or 9.5k win he's on Patrols or Cruzas until the last few years when the 12k became more affordable and readily available. Just remember using a snatch block or 2 halves the required load on the winch it doesn't double the capacity.  The max you get out of a 9k winch will be 9k lbs.
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: achjimmy on May 06, 2013, 07:13:14 PM
I had a found the Avenger a great winch for the money, 12,000lb fast and reasonable current draw.

My local Toyota dealer is selling super winches for about $1150 think he had 4 left.

Title: Re: Winches
Post by: Bird on May 06, 2013, 10:24:36 PM
Quote from: muzza01
We all used to use 9k or 9.5k win he's on Patrols or Cruzas until the last few years when the 12k became more affordable and readily available.
I used to have a M10000 and went back to a XD9000.. the 20-30kg of weight difference is big.
got me out of this easily enough
(http://www.gupatrol.com/crapola/_marysville/th_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: Jason B on May 06, 2013, 10:31:56 PM
We use the warn 9500lb xp's for work and they have been good, however they still fail if used beyond their design limits. The best winch I have used to date is the Warn 8500lb high mount I currently have on my cruiser. It's quick, easy to get to and with a snatch block or two has more power than I will ever need............so far.

Jas.
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: Bird on May 06, 2013, 10:35:56 PM
We use the warn 9500lb xp's for work and they have been good, however they still fail if used beyond their design limits. The best winch I have used to date is the Warn 8500lb high mount I currently have on my cruiser. It's quick, easy to get to and with a snatch block or two has more power than I will ever need............so far.

Jas.
WARN M8274-50 is 8000lb :)
http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/M8274-50.shtml (http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/M8274-50.shtml)
but doesn't fit most bars, and most cars need grill hacks to fit them.
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: Jason B on May 06, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
WARN M8274-50 is 8000lb :)
http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/M8274-50.shtml (http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/M8274-50.shtml)
but doesn't fit most bars, and most cars need grill hacks to fit them.


That's the one, favoured by a lot of the challenge guys because of the mods they can do to them. I love mine, so much quicker for a recovery than the low mounts and you can clearly see the drum and cable. You can still get bars to suit if you look around. I would love to replace my cable with a rope, but its so expensive for 40-50m that the winch will take and seems stupid to not fill the drum (i.e. use 30m).

Jas
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: Bird on May 07, 2013, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: Jason B
...would love to replace my cable with a rope, but its so expensive for 40-50m that the winch will take and seems stupid to not fill the drum (i.e. use 30m).

its not *too* bad from here http://www.rockstomper.com/catalog/recovery/ropes.htm (http://www.rockstomper.com/catalog/recovery/ropes.htm)
Title: Re: Winches
Post by: Jason B on May 07, 2013, 11:51:07 AM
its not *too* bad from here http://www.rockstomper.com/catalog/recovery/ropes.htm (http://www.rockstomper.com/catalog/recovery/ropes.htm)


Thanks Bruce will have a look mate.