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Title: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: rambo71 on August 05, 2012, 07:49:31 PM
hi guys just after peoples feedback on these dropdown fridgeslides, getting a set of  drifta drawers made up for patrol & also looking at one of these for my 60ltr waceo.Does anybody have one what are they like ? they look sensational  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: jeb1900 on August 05, 2012, 07:59:08 PM
Heya mate, I've never owned a dropdown fridge slide though I have read mostly good things.  In a few instances, there were some who complained that they rattled a bit but overall everyone has been happy with them.   

Just yesterday I was eyeing off those Drifta drawers they look really good!  I would love to hear how you find them. 

Just wondering, I hope it's not too late but why dont you just get the Drifta drawer setup that allows the fridge to lay on the ground and go double drawer high?  IMO it'd be best to avoid the need to have a drop down fridge slide. 

Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Chris-Vi on August 05, 2012, 08:09:16 PM
I have just installed the drop down slide on Drifta drawers.

(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff412/Chris-Vi/Prado%20and%20Camper/drawerswithfridge004.jpg)

(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff412/Chris-Vi/Prado%20and%20Camper/drawerswithfridge005.jpg)

As it is only a week old it hasn't been tested. The better half loves it so that is one plus. No rattles and works like a charm.

jeb1900, my thoughts with the drawers being flat was I had more space beside the fridge. Having double stacked drawers though you could close in the top over the fridge if possible and still have a flat floor.  :cheers:
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: rambo71 on August 05, 2012, 08:10:38 PM
simple mate happy wife happy life .She thinks that double setup will take up to much room in that back of patrol which is her car that she drives everyday.its only my holiday car unfortunately (i Have a company car) ;D
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: rambo71 on August 05, 2012, 08:13:09 PM
Hi Chris-vi setup looks great mate hope mine looks that great.Just wondering did the slide come from drifta aswell.Cheers ;D :cheers:
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Chris-Vi on August 05, 2012, 08:18:23 PM
Yes mate. Slide from Drifta as well. Was a good price so ordered it all in one hit. You are right with happy wife, happy life.  :laugh: Wife also drives the Prado to work during the week and if I am lucky I get to drive it at the weekend. She loves the drawers as everything is neat and tidy. I have one with the recovery gear and air compresser and she has shopping bags, chairs and umbrella in the other at the moment. ;D
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: D4D on August 05, 2012, 08:21:37 PM
I like the idea but as I have said before without a strut the scissor action is dangerous for little fingers.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Moto Mech on August 05, 2012, 08:26:42 PM
I like the idea but as I have said before without a strut the scissor action is dangerous for little fingers.
There is a strut, just visable in the above pictures.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Chris-Vi on August 05, 2012, 08:27:20 PM
Sorry D4D, but I don't understand what you mean. There are 2 gas struts to help with the lowering and raising. To raise it back up you pull down on the blue handle. I am all for safety and lack of injuries.  :cheers:
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: D4D on August 05, 2012, 08:30:18 PM
OK sounds like the design has been updated since I last played with them pre-MSA branding. The scissor action is still a pinch point.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Chris-Vi on August 05, 2012, 08:37:57 PM
No worries mate. All scissor actions can be dangerous if not watching. They seem to be a solid piece of gear and only time will tell.  :cheers:
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Moto Mech on August 05, 2012, 08:44:53 PM
OK sounds like the design has been updated since I last played with them pre-MSA branding. The scissor action is still a pinch point.
Yep, better handle clamping system, anti rattle upgrades, flash blue alloy and I guess gas strut addition.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: rodw on August 05, 2012, 10:18:16 PM
I bought one last year second hand off eBay and it is really good. I have just replaced my 31 litre Waeco with an Engel 40 litre so it is even better now! This is the older one without the blue handle. I will say they are pretty heavy as they are made like a tank!

Yes the catch rattles around a bit and recently I realised the latch had come apart, I saw it early and it was just a matter of tightening it all up. It comes with mounting hardware for a number of fridges and the base is drilled in a few places so you can unbolt the rubber feet and bolt though them to secure the fridge. Matter of fact, I just added some Just Straps tiedown straps today to finish off the install. I also just added a strip of Self adhesive rubber from Clark Rubber at the back to take up the rattle and it is nice and snug when closed now.

After having it for 12 months I would say they are a good piece of gear and would recommend them provided the price does not scare you off!

Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: SUPA105 on August 05, 2012, 11:45:19 PM
Bought my MSA from Drifta as well......did some shopping around and found Drifta the best price.....paid $625 I think, the cost that may have seamed accessive at the time off purchase is soon forgotten when you use the lift for first time.....sensational piece of gear.

Cheers
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: LC on August 06, 2012, 01:56:01 AM
OK sounds like the design has been updated since I last played with them pre-MSA branding. The scissor action is still a pinch point.

I have one of the first ones from when they were platinum branded and mine has two gas struts as well so I suspect they have been there all along, dont think they would work very well with out the struts.

We love ours, it doesn't rattle, and is good solid bit of gear - although its bloody heavy!
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: HEM19X on August 06, 2012, 06:50:34 AM
We love ours, the only issue is getting the power cord so that they don't catch/twist/foul when opening & closing. 2 lots of split tubing made all the difference.

Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Roo on August 06, 2012, 08:09:40 AM
fitted Drifta drawers and DS40 to our 100 series in the last few weeks. I needed to make a few mods to fit our fridge....fiddly bugger but its done. We have a bushman fridge and the advice I received from MSA and Drifta conflicted a bit. MSA say to use DS50 but Drifta reckons you give away too much space as the bushman will fit the DS40...but it is tight. Well, they are both correct. The bushman fridge is a supa tight fit on the DS40 and I had to remove the travel bag and flatten the lower set of lid clips to clear the gas struts. I use the fridge at max size so only the bottom clips needed adjustment, also swapped some bolts around so the Nyloc nut was outside an bolt inside to gain a few more mm clearance as the handle passes the fridge body. The fridge had to be moved as far forward in the tray as possible so that the lid will open fully as it clears by only a few mm. The clip that holds the handle in place for travel had to be moved forward and up to adjust its placement and alignment so it would clear the body of the fridge. The DS50 would have been an easier fit and could have left the bag on but would have had given away 85mm of width for the pleasure...space is premium so we decided to go with the tight fit. It works but is something to keep in mind if you have this fridge and want a drop slide.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: jeb1900 on August 06, 2012, 11:09:48 AM
Really keen on this Drifta drawer gear. 
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: LC on August 06, 2012, 12:21:34 PM
Forgot to mention that mine isn't bolted through the top of the drawers, it sits a steal frame that is made from 6mm x 50mm flat bar that has been cut and welded into the exact same footprint as the slide.

I then drilled and tapped holes in the approapriate spots and put some black marine carper over the top. The frame itself is what is mounted permanently to the top opf draws. This allows me to quickly and easily pull the whole fridge slide out if I need to so that I can make use of the flat surface on top of the drawers.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: rambo71 on August 06, 2012, 09:42:40 PM
order my drifta drawers today can't wait to try them out in the patrol ;D :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: UTE 701 on August 06, 2012, 09:52:47 PM
I now have a fridge in the rear of my Ute on the false floor , and it is very close to the roof .

I have to get one of these .

Hey Chris , what is the overall width and length of the frame , if you could , please .
And what is the price ?

Is there still a slide out and tilt down version out there ?
Is it any good ?
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: MarkGU on August 06, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
I now have a fridge in the rear of my Ute on the false floor , and it is very close to the roof .

I have to get one of these .

Hey Chris , what is the overall width and length of the frame , if you could , please .
And what is the price ?

Is there still a slide out and tilt down version out there ?
Is it any good ?
here ya go Ute............  http://myswag.org/forum/index.php?topic=13664.msg205483#msg205483 (http://myswag.org/forum/index.php?topic=13664.msg205483#msg205483)
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: RainmanWA on August 06, 2012, 10:39:01 PM
Some of you may have already seen this on Pradopoint, but I undertand there may actually be a few members out there that dont drive a Prado so you may have missed it. ;D

I have an Engel 40 litre that sits on a set of draws, so been dreaming of the drop slide for a number of years. Finally went out and purchased one a few weeks ago and installed it. Everything went well until I installed the bracket and C clips that hold the blue handle in place. When the handle of the slide is pulled back into the locking position it lines up directly with the fridge handle and cant be pushed all the way back into the C clip. The problem is made worse by the use of tie down straps, as they also get in the way.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/RainmanWA/TieDownStraps2.jpg)
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/RainmanWA/Notlocking.jpg)

After almost getting to the point of thinking of a refund, I used a couple of pieces of pine to push the C clips out a bit further in the hope that it would provide some clearance. They solved the problem nicely.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/RainmanWA/Extrapacking.jpg)

I then wasnt happy with how the tie down straps sit with the Engel handle. I think out on the road there is a good chance given a few bumps they will slide around the curve of the handle and lose tension. Also, if you place too much tension on the handle via the straps you might run the risk of bending the handle down.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/RainmanWA/MSA.jpg)

After a bit of advice from D4D I then purchased the metal bracket ARB use on their fridge and that solved that problem. ;D

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/RainmanWA/ARBbracket.jpg)

I have been in contact with MSA and they have suggested I drill some extra mounting holes to move the bracket further forwards - havent got round to that yet. They are also going to look into the problem to see if they can make a few improvements. I'm sure I wouldnt be the only one with the newer version of drop slide and a 40 litre Engel?

Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: rodw on August 07, 2012, 05:50:49 AM
Hmm, mine is the older slide with the black handle. I just fitted an Engel 40 litre. I removed the front fridge handle and mounted the plastic clips where the fridge handle goes so the handle clips up on to them. The plates the clips are mounted to are a different design to the blue ones shown. On the weekend I grabbed some Just Straps fridge straps from BCF and they loop through the C clip bracket. At the back, the handle was alo removed and replaced with some brackets that allowd me to use tie downs. Looks like I need to take some photos for you guys.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Chris-Vi on August 07, 2012, 07:59:52 AM
UTE 701,
My fridge slide is 820mm long, that includes the latch at the front and 520 wide allowing for the heads of the bolts along the side otherwise the width is 500mm. Hope this helps.
As for the handle, our Engel is only 32 litre but the handle is still against the front of the fridge when closed so that does look like a problem. I cannot move the fridge back any further. Will see what MSA come up with.  :cheers:
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Bird on August 07, 2012, 10:04:02 AM
They look like a great idea, just way overpriced.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: GeeTee on August 07, 2012, 12:54:25 PM
They look like a great idea, just way overpriced.

They are an innovative, unique and handy product and although not cheap at around $600, why do you say "over" priced'?
Compared to what?
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Bird on August 07, 2012, 04:13:02 PM
Quote from: GeeTee
...around $600, why do you say "over" priced'?
cause I feel they are.

Quote
Compared to what?
Compared to what they are worth and cost to make.

If its the same ones, I wonder if the latest shipment has arrived from China yet, that was the delay a while back I read on a few forums.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Moto Mech on August 07, 2012, 08:58:14 PM
cause I feel they are.
Compared to what they are worth and cost to make.

If its the same ones, I wonder if the latest shipment has arrived from China yet, that was the delay a while back I read on a few forums.
I was under the same impression regarding price for a long time but finally bit the bullet and purchased one. They are fantastic and compared to a "normal" fridge slide, not to badly priced.
I looked at building one but by the time I purchased two gas struts, a set of quality runners, a locking mechanism, bushes, bolts, screws, alloy handle, steel etc, your well on the way to buying one. And believe me, if I can make something, I will
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: RainmanWA on August 07, 2012, 10:24:28 PM
I was under the same impression regarding price for a long time but finally bit the bullet and purchased one. They are fantastic and compared to a "normal" fridge slide, not to badly priced.
I looked at building one but by the time I purchased two gas struts, a set of quality runners, a locking mechanism, bushes, bolts, screws, alloy handle, steel etc, your well on the way to buying one. And believe me, if I can make something, I will

I spoke to the bloke that designed the thing about 4 or 5 years ago. He wanted to have it made in Australia but it was going to cost between $1200 and $1500, so in the end to keep costs down they went to China.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Roo on August 08, 2012, 07:34:23 AM
just did a 70k round trip to work with the fridge in the slide but nothing else packed in the cruiser.....bugger me that ds40 rattles and squeaks..... might lose my sense of humour after 5000ks to the tip and back :-[. hoping heaps of gear around it and "holiday road" song in my head will drown out the squeaky thing.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: GeeTee on August 08, 2012, 09:25:22 AM
cause I feel they are.
Compared to what they are worth and cost to make.

If its the same ones, I wonder if the latest shipment has arrived from China yet, that was the delay a while back I read on a few forums.

So if you feel $550+ is 'over' priced, what are they worth? And how do you arrive at/justify 'worth'? Serious Q.. I'm interested to know

 
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Bird on August 08, 2012, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: GeeTee
So if you feel $550+ is 'over' priced,
I've said that more than once.

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what are they worth?
Worth and cost are 2 totally different things. To some people they are priceless. Vertically challenged people for example. Some people probably almost couldnt do without them.

But I'd guess out of Chinlee $100 to buy them in container loads which I would guess the importer would probably do?
You can get the Genuine Oztent Foxwing awning for <$150-200 out of the factory in China. Sale price in AU, $800-1200...

What should they sell for thats up to the reseller. but I'd say tripling your investment would be a good return wouldnt you?
So possibly $300-350 to triple your investment... But I see normal fridge slides overpriced too. I see many camping/fishing/4wding/motorcycling things as stupidly overpriced. You need it, come in, take a seat... let us lube you up.

Quote
And how do you arrive at/justify 'worth'?
Same as anybody on earth - again, worth and cost are to different ends of reality..

Just cause its 4wd/camper/caravan/motorcycle/fishing/sold.in.Australia doesn't mean you have to have your arse split to buy it. But most AU companies seem to believe its their right cause its 4wd/camper/caravan/motorcycle/fishing/sold.in.Australia... One of the reasons why business' are dying in their dozens every week (add to that stupid rates of pay required for noobs on weekends etc.).

ARB lockers in USA - 1/2 the price than buying them from the building in Kilsyth that makes them. The latest bull**** story I read on this forum I believe is that shops in the US use them as a "loss seller" - they lose money to get you in the door, and make their money back on everything else. EG: $700 stauns ;D ;D ;D ... But that same store will sell them at that cheap price to Aussies over the internet - they arent going to get you in the door to make more money.


How many more drop slides do you think they would sell if they were $300-350? 5x as many? small profit, large turnover...

The defence rests.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: cruisindub on August 08, 2012, 02:58:28 PM
although not cheap at around $600, why do you say "over" priced'?
Compared to what?

I'm with Lost on this.
"Compared to what?"

Lets say compared to what the wife and I combined salary is andhow much money we have/earn/afford.
I would love one, can't justify the cost. My wife is short,158cms, still, can't afford the cost to bug one.
Like many things, would love one and would be helpful, go without due to cost.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: rodw on August 08, 2012, 03:20:41 PM
I reckon that if yyou have a 4WD you''d be used to paying overpriced.  When you see what you get v's an Engel fridge slide, you really get more than the price difference in value from the system. But I am glad I got mine second hand and would not have bought new at the price.
Title: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: 99disco on August 08, 2012, 04:22:09 PM
I'm surprised to hear you say that roo, I've got one on the home made draws in my patrol with a 50l waeco on it and the thing has not made a single noise, either full or empty.



Shane
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: GeeTee on August 09, 2012, 09:57:45 AM
I'm with Lost on this.
"Compared to what?"

Lets say compared to what the wife and I combined salary is andhow much money we have/earn/afford.
I would love one, can't justify the cost. My wife is short,158cms, still, can't afford the cost to bug one.
Like many things, would love one and would be helpful, go without due to cost.

Yep I know $600 is a fair chunk of cash.
 
It is a unique innovative product. Yes it is more expensive than a normal fridge slide... but it offers significant extra advantages, and is the only product that does so. The development costs, componenet costs manufacturing costs are are more than a normal fridge slide and that is recommended in the price.

It has no direct competitor in the market so I'm still very intersted in how you arrive at the 'over' priced bit...?

Admitting that you'd like one, but can't justify the expense (or humbly admitting you can't afford it) are very different things to dismissing/criticising the product as 'overpriced'.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Bird on August 09, 2012, 11:09:12 AM
Quote from: rodw
I reckon that if you have a 4WD you''d be used to paying overpriced.
Yep, sadly agree as I mentioned above.. Its almost a license to rip people off. But doesnt make it right.


Quote from: GeeTee
he development costs, componenet costs manufacturing costs are are more than a normal fridge slide and that is recommended in the price.
Those costs would have been recouped on the first shipment or he isnt playing the game right. So that arguement fails like Joolia Gillard in a beauty pageant.

Quote
It has no direct competitor in the market so I'm still very intersted in how you arrive at the 'over' priced bit...?
or are you just trying to be argumentitive?

So if this bloke charged $5000 for it (remember theres development and manufacturing costs - and in China that runs into cents a day), you'd still say its good value? Didnt think so.

Quote
Admitting that you'd like one, but can't justify the expense (or humbly admitting you can't afford it) are very different things to dismissing/criticising the product as 'overpriced'.
I can afford several of them - they are still stupidly overpriced.

(http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/attachments/video-games/24194d1324446895-what-games-you-currently-playing-keep-trolling.jpg)
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: HKB Electronics on August 09, 2012, 11:12:03 AM
GeeTee,

Do agree, I see this all the time, I'm not going to pay $20 for one of those I could make it for
$2.

If that's the case then do it!

Reality is someone has put a lot of time and effort it to designing and producing a very good product.

They have to recoupe their start up costs and manufacturing costs, they also have to provide a gaurantee
and in a lot of cases reputable companies will repair and replace equipement they know has been damaged
by customer abuse and not defective equipment.

It's very easy to look at a finished product and say I could make it for half that price, reality is they had the smarts
to do it in the first place so are entitled to make a buck before all the copy cats rip off their idea.

Yes the slides are expensive, but they are very solidly made and function extremely well. Both my partner
and myself love it and would purchase one again.

Cheers
Leighw
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: rodw on August 09, 2012, 03:38:17 PM
Yes the slides are expensive, but they are very solidly made and function extremely well. Both my partner and myself love it and would purchase one again.

That sums up how I feel. Only bought it because I got it second hand at a bit of a discount but having used it for a while, I would be prepared to buy one new on my next car subject of course to it handling the extra weight! I think they weigh 30 kg before you add a fridge.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Dogsbreakfast on August 09, 2012, 11:25:49 PM
I agree that they are expensive. Good idea, would i buy one - no, as cost v benefit to me isnt worth it.

Saying that someone thinks they are expensive because you think they couldn't afford one is pretty poor form imo....
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: GeeTee on August 10, 2012, 12:36:43 PM
Lost, not looking for an argument - thanks for the troll sledge! - just thought you could offer us all a little more than 'I feel they are'.

If this fridge slide was designed exactly like a regular fridge slide but cost twice as much, maybe it could be criticised as over-priced. If there were spliminty-teen other drop-down slides of similar quality but offered at a lesser price, maybe it could be criticised as over-priced.

But it's not. And there isn't. Even the most casual of glances shows it's got twice the 'bits' of a conventional one-plane fridge slide and there are significant user benefits compared to other slides. Of course its design makes life easier for short people... a related benefit is for those with families, it allows smaller (possibly shy) kids to get thier own drinks without asking Mum & Dad. Plus, in some vehicle fit-outs, it allows fridges to be poked into places where they may not otherwise be carried or easily accessed on a conventional one-plane slide due to vehicle tailgate clearance etc

Disregarding any 'bling' value  ;D of the product I reckon many, if not most, experienced campers/travellers will recognise the plusses/benefits in the design, even if those benefits are of little or no use to them.
 
The product does have drawbacks that may or may not be an issue depending on vehicle fit-out and the customer's use situation: It is heavy (25+kg) and cannot be locked in the open position like many/most other one-plane slides (possible roll-back if the vehicle is parked on a slope). Some model fridges are a tight fit. Routing of the fridge power cord must be more carefully considered than a regular slide (loop it through the rear-most fridge handle). Like any fridge slide based on roller elements, there is the risk of dirt damage if used in an unsealed or poorly sealed vehicle. As the intention is for this product to be used in a wagon (with an assumption of reasonable dust sealing) this is not much of an issue. I am aware there were one or two quality issues on the earlier models that - to the best of my knowledge - have been corrected/refined by its manufacturer.

Expensive? Compared to other slides, yes. It is roughly double the price.
Value? That's up to the customer to decide, based on his/her usage and vehicle fitout situation, with the product features/advantages I hope I have adequately outlined above.
Over-priced? Compared to conventional fridge slides in the market, its extra features, usability - plus extra component and manufacturing costs (whether chingchang or Aussie) - I don't think this criticism can be objectively or fairly levelled at the drop-down slide.


Rambo,  I'm sure you'll be happy with how it works and the manufacturer back-up etc
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: UTE 701 on August 12, 2012, 09:39:40 PM
Glenn , Just ignore him ... I know I do !

Anyway thanks for all your info and facts .

Can you tell me ;  is there anyway a fridge in a bag will work on one of these ... I don't think I've seen a photo of one in any of the advertising pics .

Cheers.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: mudbro2 on August 13, 2012, 12:27:24 AM
Hi, I have one of the older ones with the black handle, and I have an Engel 40 litre with its cover on. The handle on the slide lined up with the fridge handle, so I drilled a hole in the centre of the fridge handle and mounted the plastic clip (that holds the slide handle up) onto it. You have to keep an eye on the lock as mine and two mates have been replaced due to falling apart as the nut on the back holding the lock in place breaks as it is very thin. When you consider this lock holds back your heavy fridge (and slide) while off roading which makes it the pivot point for all that weight. My mates didn`t break the nut, but after all that pressure over time had worked its way sideways (like it was cross threaded) and when removed the threads on the lock were worn down. Its not a problem getting it fixed, just ring them (MSA) and they send you a new lock to you within a couple of days, no questions asked. I still love it (so does my short wife) but think putting a larger nut on it could solve the problem.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: RainmanWA on August 13, 2012, 08:52:16 AM

The product does have drawbacks ..... and cannot be locked in the open position like many/most other one-plane slides (possible roll-back if the vehicle is parked on a slope).


Not sure how old your slide is Gee Tee, but mine can be locked into position when pulled straight out horizontally and of course once its been dropped down rolling back isnt going to happen, even on the steepest of slopes.

I did an overnighter on the weekend with mine and as said previously the power cable is going to take some working out to avoid damaging it. I ended up using a couple of cable ties to hold the cord out of the way but not sure how they will work long term.

I think that a moments forgetfulness may end up with a cord snipped in two if your not careful but some corrugated tubing will probably help. Any tips on how others have sorted out the cable on their 40 litre Engel will be gratefully accepted.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: achjimmy on August 13, 2012, 09:12:59 AM

After a bit of advice from D4D I then purchased the metal bracket ARB use on their fridge and that solved that problem. ;D

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/RainmanWA/ARBbracket.jpg)

I have been in contact with MSA and they have suggested I drill some extra mounting holes to move the bracket further forwards - havent got round to that yet. They are also going to look into the problem to see if they can make a few improvements. I'm sure I wouldnt be the only one with the newer version of drop slide and a 40 litre Engel?


Hi Rainman

I don't think that fastening to the handle on an Engle is satisfactory regardless of what is used. It is only pressed tubing and under strain will always  release tension, unless the straps push back to where the handle mounts to the fridge. Engle make proper brackets for strapping to and they mount under the handles, they are a pain with the earlier covers but are designed by engle for holding the fridge down securely.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: BigJules on August 13, 2012, 09:24:17 AM
I picked up the small brackets that mount tothe same spot as the handle and use 100kg turn buckles to hold my fridge down. I tried two sets of good straps but it always seemed to come loose. The turn buckles are excellent.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: RainmanWA on August 13, 2012, 11:31:52 AM
Hi Rainman

I don't think that fastening to the handle on an Engle is satisfactory regardless of what is used. It is only pressed tubing and under strain will always  release tension, unless the straps push back to where the handle mounts to the fridge. Engle make proper brackets for strapping to and they mount under the handles, they are a pain with the earlier covers but are designed by engle for holding the fridge down securely.


Yep I agree, I previously had an Engel slide that used turnbuckles - they were excellent for holding fridge in place. However the install intstructions for the drop slide says not to use them. When I asked MSA why not they advised that a lot of people where over tightening the turnbuckles causing the base to buckle so now they only recommend using straps. I'm still considering using the turnbuckles and just not going overboard. Not sure I've seen the Engel strap brackets?
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: achjimmy on August 13, 2012, 12:28:56 PM
these look a little different from what i remember.

http://www.bcf.com.au/online-store/products/Engel-Tie-Down-Bracket-TDB560-4-Pack.aspx?pid=114036 (http://www.bcf.com.au/online-store/products/Engel-Tie-Down-Bracket-TDB560-4-Pack.aspx?pid=114036)

Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: achjimmy on August 13, 2012, 12:32:11 PM
These were the ones

http://www.engelaustralia.com.au/cgi-bin/product.cgi?item_id=tdb530&item_string=&category=Fridge%20Accessories&sub_category=Tie%20Down%20Brackets (http://www.engelaustralia.com.au/cgi-bin/product.cgi?item_id=tdb530&item_string=&category=Fridge%20Accessories&sub_category=Tie%20Down%20Brackets)

they may also help with the fouling of the handle as it will keep the straps closer to the fridge. I am with Jules i like turnbuckles, never loosen.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: RainmanWA on August 13, 2012, 03:26:46 PM
These were the ones

http://www.engelaustralia.com.au/cgi-bin/product.cgi?item_id=tdb530&item_string=&category=Fridge%20Accessories&sub_category=Tie%20Down%20Brackets (http://www.engelaustralia.com.au/cgi-bin/product.cgi?item_id=tdb530&item_string=&category=Fridge%20Accessories&sub_category=Tie%20Down%20Brackets)

they may also help with the fouling of the handle as it will keep the straps closer to the fridge. I am with Jules i like turnbuckles, never loosen.


Ive already got some of them, I think those larger brackets are for use when you remove the handles completely. I tried fitting them when I was using the Engel slide but I couldnt work out how to attach them and retain the the handles.

Engel also supply a smaller bracket that fits underneath the handle so you are still able to retain the handles but use a turnbuckle and thats what I was using before the dropslide. My fridge is only in the vehicle when travelling, most of the time its a beer fridge in the house so the handles are still needed when moving it in and out of the vehicle.

While installing the drop down slide I started to realise that it is probably intended to be used for permanent setups and not the part time use I had in mind. If using it permanently I guess the price is a little more justifiable.
Title: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: achjimmy on August 13, 2012, 07:34:01 PM
I think you'll find they are to use with the handles, they are the funny shape to loop up and clear the bag?
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: RainmanWA on August 14, 2012, 10:55:18 AM
I think you'll find they are to use with the handles, they are the funny shape to loop up and clear the bag?


Interesting. Try as I might I just couldnt work out how to attach them with the handles and just assumed they were used when you didnt need a handle.

This is what I was using with the Engel slide. I still might give them a go with the drop slide and see what happens. As long as I dont overtighten hopefully I can go back to using the turnbuckles.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/RainmanWA/Engel.jpg)
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: 2010banditsa on April 02, 2013, 04:03:54 PM
I want a drop down slide and will mount on top of a floor i'll make for the back of the Paj..... i have been slightly concerned at the leverage exerted on the floor at full extension on the slide though, anyone had any failures in that regard?
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: achjimmy on April 02, 2013, 04:16:25 PM
I want a drop down slide and will mount on top of a floor i'll make for the back of the Paj..... i have been slightly concerned at the leverage exerted on the floor at full extension on the slide though, anyone had any failures in that regard?

I think if your floor is plywood and you bolt through it will be all good. Only problem will be the leverage exerted on your wallet.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: LC on April 02, 2013, 05:04:23 PM
Mine is bolted through the top shelf of my outback drawers. I put some aluminium strips on the underside as well that the bolts go through. I have not had any issues and while cooking etc if we are in and out of the fridge regularly we just leave the slide out.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: 2010banditsa on April 02, 2013, 06:48:50 PM
Jimmy- nice one re the wallet.... im looking second hand though, needless to say, still pretty excy..

LC- good idea re strengthening the penetrations with some metal strip or similar
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: HEM19X on April 03, 2013, 06:43:02 AM
Anything that spreads the load for the mounting point should be Ok - Large washers etc - the bigger the better.

Also, the gas struts help to lessen the pressure.

Just make sure that you have enough clearance when the slide is extended to be able to drop it properly  - sometimes you have to mount the slide too far in [to allow the doors to close] then can't drop it!

Regards

Hem
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Dice on April 03, 2013, 04:35:01 PM

    Black Widow are about to release their own drop down fridge slide   Black Widow Easy Slide with Ron Moon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWToWRcnDo8#ws)
 not sure on cost but looks well made and I like the idea of locking it at different heights. Cheers Dice
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Mattsglxr on April 21, 2016, 08:20:21 AM
I thought I would give some feedback on my MSA dropslide. After a recent weekend away I got home to find that the little blue slide catch had fallen off. It had sheared the bolt off that it swivels on. Anyway I sent MSA an email asking the best way that I could replace the bolt and they said that they would ship out a brand new slide for me to bolt in. How good is that!!! It's great to see a company stand behind it's product like that and I was very impressed.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Terry W4 on April 21, 2016, 06:06:53 PM
I have an MSA and I am very pleased with it but for one annoying aspect. It rattles particularly of course on rough roads.

Can't seem to quiten it.
Title: Re: dropdown fridge slides
Post by: Bird on June 23, 2017, 03:28:04 PM
might be handy for some..

Construction_of_drawers.pdf (https://web.archive.org/web/20080719205210/http://4wdstuff.davejones.com.au/Other/construction_of_drawers.pdf)