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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: D4D on March 27, 2011, 09:32:17 AM
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Looks like the anti-gun lobby are at it again on the back of the duck hunting protestor who was shot in the face the other weekend. I was taught by my father at a young age on my grandparents' property how to shoot and how to respect a firearm. According to the 'research' in the article below that means I should be a gun owner now, wrong. I don't mind firing off a few rounds when I am in the US, but I have no need or desire to own a firearm. Thoughts...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion-old/children-and-guns-not-a-good-mix/story-fn56b2fi-1226028714261
For 15 years Philip Alpers has investigated the public health effects of guns. So I asked the University of Sydney scientist his thoughts on this claim that it was essential to educate children early about guns.
Prof Alpers said it was a way of maintaining the tradition.
And research confirms that the single most reliable pointer of gun ownership is whether your father had a gun.
"It is a cultural value handed down from father to son."
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D4D
like you i was also taught from a very early age about fire arms from my father. i have a healthy respect for all guns cause like you i saw just what they could do.
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I was taught to safely use a gun by my father and i owned a few guns as a young bloke, then i joined the army and they gave me lots of guns to use, and after i had used them they made me clean them, and clean them, and just when i thought it was clean, the QM made me clean it again and i had to march with them and carry them, and clean them, I don't ever want to see another gun again, to all of you want to have a gun join the army LOL
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I to was taught how to respect and shoot a gun at a young age (15). I was taught at a rifle range under constant adult supervision and plan on teaching my son the same. If he chooses not to take up the sport thats fine as long as he knows how to safely handle a gun should he ever be near one.
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I was taught to safely use a gun by my father and i owned a few guns as a young bloke, then i joined the army and they gave me lots of guns to use, and after i had used them they made me clean them, and clean them, and just when i thought it was clean, the QM made me clean it again and i had to march with them and carry them, and clean them, I don't ever want to see another gun again, to all of you want to have a gun join the army LOL
So if the army made you carry and clean fishing rods, would your user name be "gonshootin"? ;D
My dad had guns when I was a kid, and he gave me one when I was 15 for use only on a friends property. I even took a rifle in a hard case as hand luggage on a train from Sydney to Guyra for two weeks on my uncles place east of Guyra. It was a lonely trip. No one spoke or even looked at me the whole trip. ??? ???
Anyway, that was thrity years ago, before Martin Bryant and Ivan Milat.
Things are different now.
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I used to get my Mum to drop me off in Glenrowan Vic on a Friday night after work and I would hike back along the Warby Ranges to Wangaratta by Sunday night. I always carried a single shot bolt action .22 with my hiking gear - couldn't get away with that now. That was the early 70's
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Mike
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I was taught to use a rifle at the age of 11 on the foster farm i was sent to, this was to provide food for us all over a period of time including roo and top knot pigeons. I got my X rifles at Kapooka in 72 using an SLR #647027, in 95 i was given a probable perfect score with a 351 Ruger hand gun. I shot a snake with a one shot hit to the head with a 22 when it went my 2yo son in 1979. I was taught to track roos by an aboriginal tracker called nugget and a whistle would get them to pop their heads up and bang food for a few days.
I am a pacifist and have never hurt a soul in my life, except in self defence, to this day i am glad i know how to use rifles and handguns.
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Just need to watch out for these guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IJBbtkBMMs
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I used to get my Mum to drop me off in Glenrowan Vic on a Friday night after work and I would hike back along the Warby Ranges to Wangaratta by Sunday night. I always carried a single shot bolt action .22 with my hiking gear - couldn't get away with that now. That was the early 70's
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Mike
Small world Manjimike, my brother and I spent our early days in the Warby Ranges rabbiting with ferrets and 22's around the same time, used to live in Wang. My older brother taught me to shoot in my early teens and have been shooting ever since, taught my kids to shoot and respect guns.
Running around a duck swamp in front of guns aint really the safest thing you could do on opening morning though
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My dad had a gun, but I hardly ever saw him use it ... although I he did on occassion ... Curried Bunny ... Yum! We always knew where he kept it (in parts around the house) just in case ... having never shot a gun I have doubts I'd have been able to put it together to use it and then not injure myself.
I do believe that guns don't kill people, people do ...
Kit_e
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I have hunted with rifles and pistols since I big enough for my Dad to teach me to use them.
I have had more rifles and pistols than I could even begin to remember.
I sold them all before moving over here.
Even in the Army with all the cleaning I had to do to them it never bothered me.
If it wasnt such a pain in the butt to own firearms here I' am sure I would have a few for hunting alongside my bows.
In fact to be completley honest I miss owning firearms...
Bill and Morag
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Just need to watch out for these guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IJBbtkBMMs
This is GOLD,
mate, ya gotta post this up in the ''cattle in the high country thread'',
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This is GOLD,
mate, ya gotta post this up in the ''cattle in the high country thread'',
Too late, locked. :-[
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i purchased my first shotgun when i was 15 after a mate of my fathers gave me a shot at a 44 gallon drum up our back paddock,i still shoot today with a passion at clays,i hunt foxes with A PASSION TO GET RID OF THE EVIL LITTLE BASTARDS(62 last year and 17 so far this year)by whistleing,i spotlight rabbits to cull and to eat and other animals to put in sausages and casseroles etc.i shoot ducks to eat only(not for fun) and im yet to find an interest that hold my sons and stepson together as well as my girls and my stepdaughter.it gets us up early in the morning,it gets us walking in the bush to see all of mother natures best,it provides great food and knowledge of true conservation and with camping and fishing thrown in to the picture,what more do i want in my"off time".Im 50 now and im yet to see all i want to see,but im content that ive seen a lot.Good training and genuine one on one time will give our kids good grounding in safety and gun handleing,what is just as important is knowing our kids have a good social attitude and respect for our fellow humans and non acquisition animals safety and peace. I lost a 29 year old sister to a gunshot murder in 1992 on april 8th so its very near her 19th anniversary.Her recent ex boyfriend walked into her work and shot her because "if i cant have you,no-one can" it was his evil,careless detached lack of human connection that allowed him todo what he did to another human being,not the fact that he used a gun that he had gotten illegally,cut down illegally and then used illegally on another human being infront of kind hearted fellow workers. i live with one leg on either side of the fence,not because of guns but because we have amongst us people who are not allways human,and that is what good quality family time can help sort out. sorry for my rant. Danny.
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and also the melbourne herald sun published a withdrawal today re the young fella and the idiot who walks in front of loade firearms.danny
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Small world Manjimike, my brother and I spent our early days in the Warby Ranges rabbiting with ferrets and 22's around the same time, used to live in Wang.
Hi Macca,
I left Wang in 73 and have lived away since then, but I love that area.
cheers Mike
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I also have a good time getting rid of a few hundred rounds while in Phoenix AZ. I have mates with at least 20-30 gun each but they are careful and all that.
I grew up with guns from a young age as my Dad shot deer and duck, rabbit etc and I had my gun licence at 12. Owned a 270, 22 and shot gun by 15 and used to love the weekends away shooting pigs or up the mountain deer shooting, that was the South Island of NZ, that's what we did.
My kids now ask about getting a gun. Usually because of the PlayStation games, they have no idea what harm can really be done. I wold like to take them out for a shot and see how he goes but I'm also worried for his sole if he was to shot some thing. I think I will take him to a shooting range so he can feel the gun and try it but with out those core values we grew up with I just don;t know
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You bring up a good point Steve, kids are desensitised to guns and the capabilities due to video games. I think your idea of a supervised shoot is a good one.
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I think that you need to have done national service before you qualify for unemployement benifit,
all kids should be taught safe firearms handling and have a healthy respect for what they can do and what they should be used for.
I grew up with a shot gun behind the kitchen door on the farm, and the one good thing about changes in the laws is that this practice has mostly gone now,
my kids have a healthy respect for firearms and have/are learning to shoot correctly, both at the range and on the land (with handguns and long arms)
it is always the nut behind the butt that is the problem not the guns ..........
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i wanna be a redneck ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkM2Se3tqaU
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This is what we all should strive for
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Maybe natural selection may help
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Incongruous.
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I used to do a fair bit of shooting out west, semi pro bunny and fox. Did the occasional cull on roos. What I really had a passion for shooting was feral cats. How I hate them and what they have done to our native species. I would love to have a bit of the idiot who release a thousand or two of them into the wild to help control the rabbit population. Pigs are another thing I don't mind wandering into my crosshairs. I don't shoot roos anymore, mind you I haven't been shooting for a few years, but as you get older I feel you appreciate life more or at least I do.
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Incongruous.
Nah just Darren :cheers: :cheers:
Manjimike
I left just before you, still love going back, got a daughter in Albury so I get up that way quite a bit
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I think that you need to have done national service before you qualify for unemployement benifit,
all kids should be taught safe firearms handling and have a healthy respect for what they can do and what they should be used for.
I grew up with a shot gun behind the kitchen door on the farm, and the one good thing about changes in the laws is that this practice has mostly gone now,my kids have a healthy respect for firearms and have/are learning to shoot correctly, both at the range and on the land (with handguns and long arms)
it is always the nut behind the butt that is the problem not the guns ..........
Why do you think this is a good thing?
As you said fireams were common when you grew up and you had a healthy respect for firearms.
If they were as common now do you think that the children of todays society would have the same respect for them???
Bill
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I fired my first shot as a cadet on the rifle range at the high school I attended. I have never owned a firearm but have used plenty in the workplace. I have seen first hand what damge a firearm can do to another human and how dangerous weapons can be to the uneducated as a weapons instructor to reservists and the dangers of home made weapons when working with RAMSI.
Todays youth, generally have a lack of respect for each other and for authority which is why it is so hard to teach them how to do anything safely.
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I fired my first shot as a cadet on the rifle range at the high school I attended. I have never owned a firearm but have used plenty in the workplace. I have seen first hand what damge a firearm can do to another human and how dangerous weapons can be to the uneducated as a weapons instructor to reservists and the dangers of home made weapons when working with RAMSI.
Todays youth, generally have a lack of respect for each other and for authority which is why it is so hard to teach them how to do anything safely.
Do we have an "understatement of the month" thread anywhere???
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Todays youth, generally have a lack of respect for each other and for authority which is why it is so hard to teach them how to do anything safely.
Well said rescue1...
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Back in the day everyone shot animals, cooked them and ate them. We live in a Nanny State/Country now, we are so over governed its embarrassing.
I played cow boys and indians when I was a kid WITH TOY GUNS, as an adult I have never wanted to shoot anyone ?
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I grew up with a shot gun behind the kitchen door on the farm, and the one good thing about changes in the laws is that this practice has mostly gone now,
Why do you think this is a good thing?
As you said fireams were common when you grew up and you had a healthy respect for firearms.
If they were as common now do you think that the children of todays society would have the same respect for them???
you can't have one rule for the city kids and another for the country kids, "accidents" still used to happen in the country, it's just the media never got hold of it then like they do now, I was more refering to uncles/grandads .22 in the back of the wardrobe etc etc, at least now in a decesead estate if a firearm appears it is more than likely put on the books or handed in, not just "relocated"
life is different now with the computer games and tv and the complaincey of firearms and violence, young men in their early 20's now would not ever volunter to go and fight for their country now as they did before WW1
I of all people don't personally agree with either buyback (espescially the 2nd one), if people talk of the buyback saving lifes and the amount of money spent, how many hospitals could have we built with same money and the crims kept their guns and the sportsman handed theirs in........
cheers
Garry
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I was more refering to uncles/grandads .22 in the back of the wardrobe etc etc, at least now in a decesead estate if a firearm appears it is more than likely put on the books or handed in, not just "relocated"
life is different now with the computer games and tv and the complaincey of firearms and violence, young men in their early 20's now would not ever volunter to go and fight for their country now as they did before WW1
I of all people don't personally agree with either buyback (espescially the 2nd one), if people talk of the buyback saving lifes and the amount of money spent, how many hospitals could have we built with same money and the crims kept their guns and the sportsman handed theirs in........
cheers
Garry
I agree with what you say about decesead estates. Better the firearm get turned in and destroyed than go to someone unfamiliar with them.
I also agree with what you say about the criminal element of society having not turned in thier illegal firearms and having no intentions of ever turning in thier illegal firearms. So much easier for them to commit crimes when they know they are the only ones with firearms...
Bill and Morag
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How many guns from the failed buy back times never made it to the scrap heap and have since made used to commit crimes. Quite a lot.
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I have been shooting since i was about 7 when we went out to the relo's farm for weekends & i started my eldest shooting at 5 on the same property, he is now 10 & wants to move on from targets to live game.
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Todays youth, generally have a lack of respect for each other and for authority which is why it is so hard to teach them how to do anything safely.
Well said rescue1...
Thats not saying it can't be done, it just seems that what could be done from the opposite side of the patrade ground 20 years ago now needs to be done at less than 1m, volume remains the same however.
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How many guns from the failed buy back times never made it to the scrap heap and have since made used to commit crimes. Quite a lot.
I don't agree with this statement,
and cannot find any justification for a statement like this, I would like to see some facts
the first buyback applied to rifles and shotguns only (semis and pumps) and the second applied to handguns (calibre, mag capacity & barrel length), both BUYBACKS, (don't get this confused with an amnesty), bought back registered and legitimatly owned firearms only and very few "illegal" firearms were handed in at the same time,
the crims kept their guns and most guns from the handgun buyback were destroyed, the only ones not put thru the crushers were kept for historical reasons or balistic purposes (in police hands). I personaly know of some that were kept by the police (still bought back) and it was a slightly different paperwork chase at the time
I posed the question on a firearms forum if anyone could cite any "buyback guns" used in crimes and no-none could come up with any examples, neither could I after an extensive search
I hear quite often of firearms used in crimes (as we all do) but these guns will most probably never be 100% removed from the community,
sporting shooters respect their sport and do the utmost to stay within the laws as they don't want to risk their sport
lets all go camping
cheers
Garry
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How many guns from the failed buy back times never made it to the scrap heap and have since made used to commit crimes. Quite a lot.
+1 On Garry. Unless you are prepared to back statements like that up with empirical facts you should not make them. It has often been said that guns don't kill people. People kill people. People who commit violent crimes or involved in organised criminal activity will often have sourced out the firearm/s either through the black market or stolen them and subsequently modified the firearm. The buy back and amnesty only affected licenced firearm holders or those who for one reason or another had wound up with a firearm in their possession.
If you have facts and figures to back your statement up, then please, feel free to submit them.