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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Wortho on March 25, 2011, 10:44:38 AM
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http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/margin-for-error-on-speeding-reduced-to-zero-20110324-1c8kp.html
Seems a bit harsh! so the ADR rules allow 10% speedo tolerance but the camera's will be set to zero! how does that work ???
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We've had only 3km/h margin in VIC for a few years. Agreed it is strange given the 10% tolerance.
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Yes this makes me angry, the NSW government contracts Redflex a private company from the United States, for controlling their mobile speed cameras, this company has major banks in Australia like the NAB and Macquarie buying Redflex shares.
Before the East Link freeway was open in Victoria, the government had already done budget forecast on the revenue generated from the speed cameras. So they take this income into their running budget, not their surplus !!
All a very lucrative business with deceitful overtones.
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Very painful indeed, considering my brand new BT50 is 8% out
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From ADR 18/03
"5.3. The speed indicated shall not be less than the true speed of the vehicle (my bolding). At the test speeds specified in paragraph 5.2.5. above, there shall be the following relationship between the speed displayed (V1 ) and the true speed (V2).
0 <= (V1 - V2) <= 0.1 V2 + 4 km/h"
In other words your speedo is not allowed to under-read: at 10kph it is allowed to indicate between 10 and 15, and at 100kph it is allowed to indicate between 100 and 114.
So if your vehicle is ADR compliant it's only your fault if you get caught speeding! However if you can prove that the speedo was underreading (when the vehicle was absolutely standard in respect of wheels, tyres, tyre pressures, axle ratios, etc) then you could probably sue the manufacturer for the value of the fine - if you think it's worth it.
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Its the sheer volume of speed limit changes that gets me. There is a 6km strech here in Port Macquarie and it changed 6 times.50, 60 (40 for school hours) ,70, 60 , 80, 60.I kid you not.
I have given up looking at limits and now just drive to what I consider to be safe, I have a clean record for 27 years on the road so I will take my chances.......
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Before the East Link freeway was open in Victoria, the government had already done budget forecast on the revenue generated from the speed cameras. So they take this income into their running budget, not their surplus !!
What an absolute Joke that is ???
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http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/margin-for-error-on-speeding-reduced-to-zero-20110324-1c8kp.html
Seems a bit harsh! so the ADR rules allow 10% speedo tolerance but the camera's will be set to zero! how does that work ???
Sorry Wortho, I didn't see your thread.
I find this to be a blatant grab for cash.
So we will be fined for normal tyre wear as well?
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they've tried this before, didn't happen
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Traffic Lawyers - Sydney
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MOTORISTS have always been kept in the dark about the leeway given to drivers caught speeding, but a leaked cabinet document reveals the secret 3km/h tolerance that has been given to speeding drivers will be axed.
It will mean thousands of motorists are fined for travelling just a couple of kilometres per hour over the speed limit. This will assist the state government in their quest for more revenue to squander.
The tolerance level is a margin given to motorists who exceed the speed limit as ''a benefit of the doubt'', but the Roads and Traffic Authority has always refused to reveal the leeway, citing ''road safety issues''.
A leaked report from the budget committee of cabinet, dated December 9 last year, says the 3km/h tolerance will be removed. It says it will axe the ''internal and undisclosed tolerance as applied by the State Debt Recovery Office to digitally captured infringements as notified by the RTA''.
One senior Sydney policeman said the revised margin of error was so small that a new set of tyres or the width of a speedometer needle will land motorists on the wrong side of the law.
A spokeswoman for the RTA refused to confirm the truth and said it was a matter for the State Treasury Office. A spokesman for the Treasurer said the office enforced policies set by the RTA and the transport department.
While NSW has always fiercely guarded its right to cite "Road Safety" in a thinly disguised attempt to fill State coffers, the Victorian government revealed in 2007 that its tolerance level was 2km/h for fixed speed cameras and 3km/h for mobile speed cameras, plus a discretionary tolerance.
Australian design rules used to allow for a 10 per cent tolerance either way on car speedometers, but now the rules only allow for the tolerance above the actual travel speed. Thankfully NSW residents can rest assured that RTA staff know more about vehicle design and road safety than the combined reources of all the worlds vehicle manufacturers and the authors of various ADR publications.
The cabinet report, obtained by the Herald, also reveals that the committee endorsed the ''immediate roll-out of digital safety cameras by the Revenue and Traffic Authority to be complete by June 2011''.
The RTA is replacing red light cameras, letter boxes, street lights and Mrs Smith's pet dog Tiddleywinks with safety cameras, which can detect motorists in the next suburb, or parked, who run red lights as well as those who speed, regardless of the colour of the light, at 200 sites across the state.
About 100 of the cameras have already been installed, all of them in Sydney.
Some slight alterations made.
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It's pretty simple really, just don't speed, the speed limit is just that, the limit. I'm not saying that i'm perfect at staying at or below the limit although my 2.8 patrol helps to stop me from speeding. I don't see the problem with having so many cameras everywhere checking speed, no one should be going over it anyway, and if you are caught speeding then it's only your fault, not anyone elses, so just quit whinging and stick to the limit. The media has a hand in all the hype too. It seems there's a story every week about speed cameras. I must be getting old cause i think there's a lot of things in the new that we don't really need to know about (sorry a bit off topic). >:D
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Its the sheer volume of speed limit changes that gets me. There is a 6km strech here in Port Macquarie and it changed 6 times.50, 60 (40 for school hours) ,70, 60 , 80, 60.I kid you not.
I have given up looking at limits and now just drive to what I consider to be safe, I have a clean record for 27 years on the road so I will take my chances.......
Ok are we driving the car paying attention to traffic around us or are we taking our eyes of the road to check speed limits I find this when I cross over into NSW more so than Qld they seem to change them up and down willy nilly sometimes for no reason.Dosn,t make for a relaxing trip or when you get THE BILL some weeks later after you return home.TINKERA.
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As a truck driver up & down the Pacific Hwy 3 or 4 days/nights a week I can tell you that this wont bother most motorists that I follow past speed cameras as they usually slow down to about 20 ks under the limit whenever they're in cooee of a speed camera ! Its probably the same drivers that slow down to 40 in school zones at 2 o clock in the morning. VERY FRUSTRATING !!
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Hi Peet your right.
The one that peeves me the most is the camera at New Italy.
You'll be traveling along happily doing 100k, 500m from the camera they slow down to 70, 80 if your lucky and than speed away from it. Idiots, Frustrating Idiots.
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Yes its always fun when ive got my 60 ton B-double up to 100 kph - car overtakes just before camera - sees camera signs - slows to 80 - as its uphill ive got to change back 3 or 4 gears - truck slows to about 60 kph - half a dozen cars behind me cursing "bloody trucks" - car in front gets past camera & takes off at 100kph oblivious to swearing truckie with steam coming out of his ears !
Ah well , all in a days work - lucky ime a proffesional !
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I had a bloke going crazy at me for overtaking him at a speed camera. He slowed to 80 and i just cruised past him on 100 and guess what? no flash no bill. Those people are very annoying indeed!! ;D
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Yes its always fun when ive got my 60 ton B-double up to 100 kph - car overtakes just before camera - sees camera signs - slows to 80 - as its uphill ive got to change back 3 or 4 gears - truck slows to about 60 kph - half a dozen cars behind me cursing "bloody trucks" - car in front gets past camera & takes off at 100kph oblivious to swearing truckie with steam coming out of his ears !
Ah well , all in a days work - lucky ime a proffesional !
yeah i'm hearin' ya :'(
lucky these clowns dont have to run a log book and have to be some where >:(
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My apologies officer I must have taken my eyes off the speedo for a second to glance at the road.
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I have a Tom Tom GPS, the very basic one that my Dad got when he bought some Michelins for his Camry (he's a retiree of course!)
It has an excellent speed warning program and I wouldn't be without it now.
I think you can get one for about $125, very cheap insurance.
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My apologies officer I must have taken my eyes off the speedo for a second to glance at the road.
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Isn't the speed camera system in NSW run by the Macquarie Bank owned Redflex, if so no surprise.
http://www.fireredflex.com/index.html (http://www.fireredflex.com/index.html)
Cheers
Parry
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Not long ago I and approx 10 cars behind me were following a car on my way home from Gawler to Lyndoch and this driver was was travelling from 40 - 50km below the speed limit in a 100km zone. I and others became rather frustrated, there are only two places on this road where you can legally pass another vehicle but when we got to the passing lane the driver in front sped up to 120kmh so no one could pass then immediately slowed down again at the end of the passing lane, I became past frustrayed by this stupidity and as the next broken line came up and being in a 4x4 I could see over the crest before the idiot in front, so I started to overtake said idiot slightly before the centre line became broken and went on my way at the speed limit, no problems (so I thought).
About one week later I get a letter in the post from :police:, Letter says "you have been reported by a member of he public for overtaking another vehicle on a double unbroken white line but as there was no officer present we can take no action, if we recieve any further reports regarding your erratic driving that endangers other road users we will take this matter further".
So pretty p@##$d off with this f%&*#ng letter I contacted Mr :police: and informed him of my version of occurrances and that this dob in an Aussie idiot was the driver placing everyone at risk by travelling so far under the speed limit, and asked what if another car or even a loaded truck came over a crest or around a blind corner at the speed limit or significantly faster than speed we were travelling and an unavoidable tragedy occured? Mr :police: tells me that the driver is allowed to travel at whatever speed they are comfortable with and I am the one in the wrong. I even told him what happened when we got to the only passing lane and :police: says that he does not believe me and that I am only trying to cause trouble.
I do not underastand this action and fear what this person may cause on our roads one day >:( >:( :'( :'(??? ???
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Truck drivers put up with this behaviour every day.Motorists travelling at 85-90 until they get to an overtaking lane & then speeding up to 100 so the truck cant get around - as soon as overtaking lane ends they slow down to 85-90.I really dont understand why they would want a truck stuck behind them for long periods of time (i know i hate it when travelling in car/camper).If they only want to travell at that speed - fine , but PLEASE let trucks get around when there is a safe opportunity ! While I dont condone it , this is one of the main reasons trucks tailgate cars - it usually bothers the car driver so much that they are happy to let the truck go at the next o/t lane. If you dont like trucks behind you, simply slow down a bit at overtaking lanes , the truck/s will go around , everybodys happy & SAFE.
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I was always under the impression that car manafacturers allow a margine that was otimistic i.e. the speedo reads faster. If that is true and you get pinged for 81kph then your speedo could have been on 85kph... so you were speeding
I see this when driving with GPS and approaching speed camera's the other drivers all seem to slow to at least 78 to 75kph to get past them whilst I pass them doing 80kph via GPS..
Which do you trust GPS or speedo? btw my speedo has been played with as I have larger tyres and to compemsate a different speedo cog went into the G-Box...
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HI I have to say most Hyw Truckies are on a the whole give ya a far go but on a recent trip over the border I was very tempted to report a trucky for dangerous driving. Tailgating this couple towing a van (they were just under the speed limit)in front of us then within 1k of overtaking lane he pulls out takes on all 3 cars +van in front forcing a oncoming car to pull of the road before he could get back to his side of the road. This cowboy is a nutter still wish I had got his plate.He was still overtaking like a madman till he was out of sight.TINKERA.
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My apologies officer I must have taken my eyes off the speedo for a second to glance at the road.
;D :D :D Good quote :cheers:
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The NSW Police simply don't have the numbers or time to pull over a driver doing 1, 2 or 3 kph over the limit ... They'll still be after the idiots doing 10, 15 or 20 over.
It's one thing for the pollies to come up with these new laws and another for them to be enforced.
The answer is pretty simple ... Do the right thing, use common sense and the cops won't look twice at you.
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Hi Craig,
Macquarie Bank has bought this off the Government, so they have all the resources to chase you for 1k over. 380 million I read somewhere they paid for it.
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"Truck drivers put up with this behaviour every day.Motorists travelling at 85-90 until they get to an overtaking lane & then speeding up to 100 so the truck cant get around - as soon as overtaking lane ends they slow down to 85-90."
You too? I thought I must have been imagining it, but it just happens too often when I'm driving my small truck. I have found that the easiest way to reduce stress when driving is to slow down and let the semis pass as they can really move on the flats and five minutes later they are out of sight. Wish more people would realise this.
What annoys me is that the limit on the Newell has been reduced to 100 which means I spend all day on the straight parts checking my speedo trying to stay under while on the Castlereagh the limit is 110! The Castlereagh is in disrepair and will kill you at that speed if you don't know the road. When speed limits are not about safety people become (more) cynical about the law.
Scoot
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One of the nice things about the motorways I travel on around South Africa is that many of them have a minimum as well as a maximum speed limit. Not that its much of a problem as the locals almost always pull to the side for a faster vehicle.
What might shock those that travel through Holsworthy in Sydney is that on the roads through the Army base you can be booked by an MP and I know of at least one driver who lost his licence on one road ther and he was only travelling at 60 km/hr. He didn't read the signs at each of the entrances advising of the lower speed limit and right of way changes when there are troops marching....
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Hi Craig,
Macquarie Bank has bought this off the Government, so they have all the resources to chase you for 1k over. 380 million I read somewhere they paid for it.
Yes this makes me angry, the NSW government contracts Redflex a private company from the United States, for controlling their mobile speed cameras, this company has major banks in Australia like the NAB and Macquarie buying Redflex shares.
Before the East Link freeway was open in Victoria, the government had already done budget forecast on the revenue generated from the speed cameras. So they take this income into their running budget, not their surplus !!
All a very lucrative business with deceitful overtones
You are correct
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Looks like the new Gov is going to change the Zero tolerance on speeding camera's.
Stoner brings back room for error on speeding (http://smh.drive.com.au/roads-and-traffic/stoner-brings-back-room-for-error-on-speeding-20110330-1cgdb.html)
Good Stuff :cup:
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Wow commonsense prevails, there should be more Ministers like Mr Stoner :cup:
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Wow commonsense prevails, there should be more Ministers like Mr Stoner :cup:
He's the member in the Coffs Harbour electorate near us. He's been fighting to have the Pathetic Highway upgraded for many many years, a big campaigner for road safety. Like most of us on the north coast, he has had friends and family Killed on this section of highway and now he has the chance to do something about it.
Well done I reckon.
:cup:
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He's the member in the Coffs Harbour electorate near us. He's been fighting to have the Pathetic Highway upgraded for many many years, a big campaigner for road safety. Like most of us on the north coast, he has had friends and family Killed on this section of highway and now he has the chance to do something about it.
Well done I reckon.
:cup:
He was also the guy who fought hard against the introduction of the suspension laws.
I voted for him the other day.
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We bought a new car, a Fiesta and we noticed that the speedo was out.
When checking with te TomTom it is showing 5 kms more then actual speed.
I contacted the dealer and they told me "It is within the legal limits. Saves you paying for fines"
He even said that the GPS is wrong as well and his explanation was that when you see a street on the GPS it is not in the same location as the real world.
I told him that that was the map, not the GPS system.
So now we are adding 5 kms on the speedo and we are doing the correct speed.
Very annoying.
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We bought a new car, a Fiesta and we noticed that the speedo was out.
When checking with te TomTom it is showing 5 kms more then actual speed.
I contacted the dealer and they told me "It is within the legal limits. Saves you paying for fines"
He even said that the GPS is wrong as well and his explanation was that when you see a street on the GPS it is not in the same location as the real world.
I told him that that was the map, not the GPS system.
So now we are adding 5 kms on the speedo and we are doing the correct speed.
Very annoying.
I'm sure the margin is 10%, but a speedo cannot read less than your actual speed, so in fact the margin is that it can read 10%, but not under. Be insistent on this, it's too much money and inconvenience to pay fines and potentially lose one's license for something that is not your choice.
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To be specific: when the speedo says 50, our actual speed is 45
Speedo 90, actual 85
Speedo 110, actual 105.
So it is overreading, telling us we are 5 kms faster then we actually do.
That's why we add 5 kms on the speedo reading to match the actual speed.
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So much anger and so many valid reasons for it!!
OK I have to agree with everyone (almost, sorry people do make honest mistakes and shouldn't lose their mortgage to a greedy govt because they have gone a tad over the limit. "Just don't speed" just doesn't cut it with reality!).
I too really hate the people who go really slow and then when they hit the overtaking lanes speed up so that noone can overtake only to slow down again when the lane ends. I have driven trucks too (albeit tonka toys lol) but let me tell you a good story. We were south bound on the Princes Hwy south of Nowra somewhere and we were towing a boat behind a large 4 cylinder. I always keep an eye in my mirrors for a build up of cars and when safe and appropriate, I move over and wave them past. When it comes to overtaking lanes I actually slow down a bit to ensure that most if not all cars get past. This day I was being held up by a car driving like a complete idiot going so slow. They came to the overtaking lanes he stayed in the fast lane and you guessed it, they sped up!! I gave it as much as I could and was barely gaining on them as I was muttering obscenities under my breath. The cars behind probably couldn't see much due to the height of the boat. They gave it enough to keep in front as the lane was ending. It was then that I saw the car behind me with red and blue lights. Great I thought, he thinks I am holding everyone up. So I pull over to the left a bit so that he can see the car in front of me. He must have been really p1$$ed off because he went around me straight away and wheeled the mobile chicane on the spot. There was lots of tooting and flashing as the queue passed this moronic excuse for a driver. OK that is only one idiot but it was great to watch. You just know he got a "not keep left unless overtaking" infringement and a good talking to!
What do you call a car driver who brakes in front of a truck at a speed camera?
A speed bump!! :cup: :cheers:
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He's the member in the Coffs Harbour electorate near us. He's been fighting to have the Pathetic Highway upgraded for many many years, a big campaigner for road safety. Like most of us on the north coast, he has had friends and family Killed on this section of highway and now he has the chance to do something about it.
Well done I reckon.
:cup:
Andrew Stoner is the Member for Oxley, Andrew Fraser is the Member for Cowper, which includes Coffs harbour. Close but no cigar
either way it is a good result :cup:
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To be specific: when the speedo says 50, our actual speed is 45
Speedo 90, actual 85
Speedo 110, actual 105.
So it is overreading, telling us we are 5 kms faster then we actually do.
That's why we add 5 kms on the speedo reading to match the actual speed.
I've noticed the same thing on both our cars, speedo reads 5 to 10% lower than speed confirmed by GPS and roadworks radar displays. Took the same GPS to USA in and placed in a hire car, speed was bang on with the speedo reading. I always drive by the GPS speed and so far no tickets ; )
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I remember going through a fixed speed camera on the way home from a long shift. I go through it every time I go to work and then some. I was just too tired and forgot. The flash woke me up a bit. I went home to break the news to the wife. She said I have something to tell you. She sounded a bit sheepish so I let her go first. She told me that she went through another different speed camera on the way home from work and got flashed. I just laughed and told her my story. Oh well, I said, we will just have to wait for the tickets in the mail. Well days turned into weeks turned into months and now over a year has gone by and neither of us got a ticket. It was dumb ass luck but also just goes to show that not every camera shell has a camera in it.