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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #525 on: February 11, 2022, 12:20:00 PM »
This tread needs its title changed
There’s nothing interesting about electric cars 😉
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #526 on: February 19, 2022, 10:27:24 AM »
That expensive lux EV you were thinking about just got a whole lot dearer-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/ev-batteries-could-complicate-recovery-of-burning-cargo-ship-with-thousands-of-cars/ar-AAU2pAm
As if shipping costs for any goodies aren't high enough at present. 3693 cars and a 4000 berth floating carpark whenever they can't put out a runaway lithium battery fire. Yowzah!
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #527 on: February 19, 2022, 10:51:33 AM »
That expensive lux EV you were thinking about just got a whole lot dearer-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/ev-batteries-could-complicate-recovery-of-burning-cargo-ship-with-thousands-of-cars/ar-AAU2pAm
As if shipping costs for any goodies aren't high enough at present. 3693 cars and a 4000 berth floating carpark whenever they can't put out a runaway lithium battery fire. Yowzah!

yup lol
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #528 on: February 26, 2022, 03:56:32 PM »
The lesson also applies to ICE cars but they are quicker to refuel- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmQJUW-VyRY
The summary of the exercise is around the 21:18 mark
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #529 on: February 27, 2022, 05:38:49 PM »
The Felicity Ace was a Titanic moment concentrating the minds as we stick more and more of these large incendiary batteries together-
https://premium.goauto.com.au/ev-fires-become-hot-issue/
Not to mention the ever hungry lawyers lurking about the place. A real problem for hi-rise carparking and memories of Grenfell Towers and 911 but the solution they mention for EV owners putting them bye byes every time is here- https://www.edarley.com/car-fire-blanket/
Won't that thrill the clay bar and two bucket wash and polish crowd? Houston we have a problem!

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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #530 on: March 02, 2022, 02:07:44 PM »
The crew worked out pretty quickly the ship was doomed realizing they likely had 25% EVs onboard and hence taking to the lifeboats in the middle of the night-
https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/casualty/felicity-ace-sinks-cargo-luxury-cars
The problem for Western EV makers like VAG Tesla Hyundai GM etc is Chinese BYD have leapfrogged them with lithium battery safety-
https://evreporter.com/byd-blade-battery-what-makes-it-ultra-safe/
Nobody will want your legacy incendiary car on their ferries or charging in the basements of their Grenfell Towers and the insurance industry will be the first messenger with the bad news.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #531 on: March 02, 2022, 02:23:26 PM »
Watch this space
This will have implications on shipping and shipping companies insurance
Most insurance companies won’t cover your house if you are changing one in your adjoining garage
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #532 on: March 22, 2022, 10:16:48 PM »
Auto Pilot.... how do they get a license????

There is so much wrong in that article...

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The court heard that Ms Agrawal, whose driver’s licence had previously been suspended,

She allegedly fled the scene before turning herself in to police.

'Ms Agrawal’s partner, who returned with her to the scene, told Nine News the collision was “just a normal accident, it happens every day”.'


And still gets bail???

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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #533 on: March 23, 2022, 10:10:52 AM »
Weird accident.

Good thing about the Tesla, is that VicPol will get forensic access to the vehicles computers, cameras and data.
They'll know if it was on autopilot - and if it was, there will be camera footage of what the driver was doing (i.e. texting most likely - allegedly).

They'll know everything, in a short period of time, every input and output, speed, GPS  -everything. Even with dashcams in standard cars today, the level of data would  not be the same.

Hopefully, with that evidence - clear paths to justice can be formed quickly.

That being said, there is someone with very severe sounding injuries...I hope she pulls through
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #534 on: March 26, 2022, 08:41:41 PM »
How are Tesla and EV owners generally finding their latest comprehensive premiums?
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/why-a-tesla-is-so-hard-and-expensive-to-insure
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #537 on: April 04, 2022, 02:19:06 PM »
It doesn’t establish the Tesla was at fault only that it was charging. I think it is more likely a wiring fault in the house and or overloading of a high demand circuit.
The batteries may well have made the fire devastating, but that certainly doesn’t mean that they were the cause.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #538 on: April 05, 2022, 05:01:26 PM »
Here's the real problem with the dream of battery transport-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/we-re-not-even-close-to-evs-being-as-cheap-as-gas-cars-mercedes-says/ar-AAVQNJo
Klaus from BMW warned us about believing energy costing would work like computing power development has back in 2018-
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/motoring-news/the-reason-why-electric-cars-will-always-be-expensive/news-story/8f8d81ac872578ad665a264c91b17505
Lithium battery tech has plumbed the bottom with development and economies of scale and now here comes price rises with accelerated raw materials demand-
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-price-increase/
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #539 on: April 06, 2022, 05:47:09 AM »
It doesn’t establish the Tesla was at fault only that it was charging.
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Seems it may not have been an electric car after all ::)
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #540 on: April 20, 2022, 12:25:03 PM »
When 88% of car buyers from a dealer buy on finance (around half dealer finance and half BYO) then the extra $20k plus borrowing and interest plus the extra annual comprehensive premium means EVs don't stack up cost wise against ICE- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/electric-vehicle-insurance-costs-are-expensive-for-good-reason/ar-AAWnUBS
That largely leaves Elon to satisfy the well to do zoom zoom market at present but that has its limits without snouts in the taxpayer trough.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #541 on: April 24, 2022, 11:12:10 AM »
BMW joins Toyota Stellantis and Porsche with the skepticism-
https://www.drive.com.au/news/bmw-ceo-electric-cars/
That's because Elon the market leader is running out of affordable lithium and is spruiking for more to come onstream-
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/musk-says-mine-lithium-and-mint-money/13851706
The promise that energy and storage would be just like the micro processor revolution and follow Moore's Law was always a delusional mantra of those devoid of any understanding of physics engineering and its handmaiden economics. 
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #542 on: April 24, 2022, 02:45:17 PM »
BMW joins Toyota Stellantis and Porsche with the skepticism-
https://www.drive.com.au/news/bmw-ceo-electric-cars/
That's because Elon the market leader is running out of affordable lithium and is spruiking for more to come onstream-
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/musk-says-mine-lithium-and-mint-money/13851706
The promise that energy and storage would be just like the micro processor revolution and follow Moore's Law was always a delusional mantra of those devoid of any understanding of physics engineering and its handmaiden economics.

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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #543 on: May 11, 2022, 07:43:39 PM »
Toyota Australia has announced the Prius will be axed from its local line-up. The brand made the decision after only selling 26 so far this year and a further 77 in 2021.

The Prius hybrid was first launched in 2001 in Australia and spawned several variants, including the Prius C hatchback and Prius V seven-seater. All three models combined for more than 35,000 sales.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #544 on: May 11, 2022, 08:57:03 PM »
One thing we do know is the pollies don't need to cash splash any incentives for EVs until such time as we can see some sitting unsold in the showrooms again-
https://thedriven.io/2022/05/11/musk-warns-tesla-may-stop-taking-ev-orders-because-of-huge-delays/
In the meantime it doesn't really matter where the ICE cars are being displaced by EVs with the dreaded plant food now does it? London Stuttgart Oslo NY or Beijing it's all the same outcome with the scarce EV supply and global warming isn't it?
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