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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: nab on October 03, 2017, 11:24:13 PM
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I've been thinking about getting an old car, something from the 70's with a V8. Probably a couple of years away yet but I like to keep my eye on the market. I'm a Ford man and have been looking at Falcons/Fairlanes but half decent ones are $20k minimum. I don't mind the old Valiants (old man had one) and they are much better value for money.
I'm all over the Fords regarding models/engines/trannys etc having owned a few back in the day but I don't know much at all about the Valiants except I like them.
Anyone had one?
What are spares parts like to find (any recommendations in WA)?
Any forums/websites to check out?
Anything to look out for other than rust?
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had a couple the VJ ute and VM ELB Regal, the 265 six is the best motor ever made in those days.
I tried to be a holden man but in honestly the Valiants were way better in every way.
tip (pulled the ELB ignition dizzy and chucked in a std points unit easy fix.)
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The VC VIP was a very good car from back in 67. Plenty of nice trim, a tidy little 273 V8 and auto. Really nice to drive.
In the era of the 70's, there was issues with rust around the steering box mountings. Most by now would have been plated and braced, as it was a common problem. They also had fairly light power steering at highway speeds.
You could always shoot for an old SV1 or RV1 from the early 60's, the first model had the fake spare wheel cover on the boot.
Everyone reckons they look like a garbage bin lid bolted on the boot.
You'll also find, on the Aussie websites like Just Cars and the like, lots of cars for sale that have been sold years ago. When I was Caddy hunting, the number of people who said they'd asked numerous times for cars to be removed was a pain.
Don't rule out a Lefty form the good ol USA either, look under Plymouth Valiant on either Hemmings or Carsales.com.
Some good cars, way more to choose from and USAtoAUS can get it here for ya.
Oh, and left hook is piss easy to drive too.
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/plymouth/valiant/1948242.html (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/plymouth/valiant/1948242.html)
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I had two 66/67 VC Valiants as a young lad, the standard slant 6 225 and a VIP V8, power wise not a big difference really when you drove the cars, lots of performance were available for them too, still are I think, not that they really needed them, they were alot more powerful in standard trim than the standards or hotted fords and Holdens from the era.
When looking for these search Dodge 106 also, they came in 3 variants, Ute, Wagon and Sedan, good honest car.
Baz.
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Vals are slowly climbing in price. Would help if you knew what model your thinking of. Good Pacers are out of your budget. So are any of the Chargers. Parts are easy to come by. Pentastar Parts, Elko and Hemi Performance are the main players. I'd stick with Pentastar Parts, good service and price. Good panels can be hard to find depending on the model. Get the car with the least amount of rust. Body work gets expensive when chasing rust. Mechanicals are simple and easy to work on.
Cheers, Mike.
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We had a CM 265 auto wagon for 13 years. Couldn't kill it.
Sunstone = Chrysler Aust speak for ORANGE
I'm a blue oval fancier, but after owning one the Vals are now a favourite.
I bought it 'cos it was 1 owner, low k's, shiny and cheap, but it really grew on me. Nothing flash, just a very honest car.
One of 3 previous drives that I regret selling....
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Hi Nab, I know bugger all about them but my two brother inlaws have a few SV1s completely restored between them they are great looking old car, Criag
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Steffo1 had maybe an AP6??????? back when he had shoulder length non grey hair ;D
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Get one !
I've had fords n holdens from the mid sixties to late 70's all of my youth ( I am still youthful ...... )
Got a Val approx 10 yrs ago , still have it !
It's my favourite car , has been everywhere , is not pretty but wears it well .
Slant 6 , poo brown , cream vynil roof - doesn't get any better .
1969 VF VIP .
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770 two door coupe running a 318. A Mexican if you can find one.
Tell me this aint a sweet ride.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/1b1148cd0591d2fcdb4e3110804fc6f5.jpg)
Or if you can find one a CH or CJ Chrysler by Chrysler 2 door.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/56354e056c646df2b1d98b02b72f4c0e.jpg)
Cheers Glen
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Saw one of those Val coupes on a truck going up the highway yesterday [ part done " complete "project car by the looks ] Thought it had the CL / M type front clip on it though . There was also a Mazda 929 / RX-4 coupe [ Looked a complete period survivor car, mags, spoilers etc ] and an out of place early 2000's model falcon .
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I learnt to drive in an AP5 - push button automatic
A bloody long time ago
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If you are on Facebook then join a page called unfinished projects. The Val pops up from time to time but usually "projects" but sometimes a complete or near complete car.
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Holy Crap.... the HQ sedan is a bit rough around the edges. ;D
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Mopar Market
http://www.moparmarket.com/classifieds_list.php?type=regular&category=Cars (http://www.moparmarket.com/classifieds_list.php?type=regular&category=Cars)
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My Speedway Valiant.
Won point score 4 out of 5 years.
3rd in state tittles out of 35 cars.
Lap record at Lismore Speedway.
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171005/f16c8900a5472a428b6a2af278bc5a21.jpg)
Always wanted one these tbh
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Out of all the cars from the 60's and 70's i have owned (30odd) i miss my CL770 charger, factory 4 speed and 265 hemi, and my VG coupe with 318 i built into a reasonable 13sec sleeper the most
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770 two door coupe running a 318. A Mexican if you can find one.
Tell me this aint a sweet ride.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/1b1148cd0591d2fcdb4e3110804fc6f5.jpg)
Had one of those for a while, but with a 360. Really enjoyed it.
I'd reckon body parts would be harder to find but finding engine parts shouldn't be too hard, especially performance bits.
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I learnt to drive in the 4 door version of the above car with a the 6 cylinder. It needed at least a litre of oil and one of the engine mounts broke, so the motor was leaning on the inner guard for 12 months, but didn’t affect its performance and shamed many Fords/Holden’s leaving the lights.
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Anything with 2 doors (except a ute) will be big $$. I sold my VG Pacer Coupe 10 years ago, it would now cost me 3 x the dosh to buy in back.
A lot of people ask big money for them, however it is possible to buy a reasonable Val to use daily from anywhere between $8 and $10k. This would cover anything from a AP5/VC thru to the final CM's.
There a a couple of good FB pages that I have seen a few come up on:
Valiant VE VF VG -fans of the Aussie A Body
farm wrecks rusty relics & old car sales australia
Valiant cars
This sale was a reasonable result considering it was a non matching numbers vehicle. If it had retained its original V8 it may have gone for 2 - 3 times the price.
https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2017-shannons-melbourne-spring-classic-auction/XD9775X07D9IGYB3/ (https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2017-shannons-melbourne-spring-classic-auction/XD9775X07D9IGYB3/)
Happy Hunting.
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This sale was a reasonable result considering it was a non matching numbers vehicle. If it had retained its original V8 it may have gone for 2 - 3 times the price.
https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2017-shannons-melbourne-spring-classic-auction/XD9775X07D9IGYB3/ (https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2017-shannons-melbourne-spring-classic-auction/XD9775X07D9IGYB3/)
That looks very nice! Any idea how much it went for?
this went for $7k which I reckon is cheap
https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2012-shannons-melbourne-autumn-classic-auction/BK591Y38QW579E50/ (https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2012-shannons-melbourne-autumn-classic-auction/BK591Y38QW579E50/)
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That looks very nice! Any idea how much it went for?
It made $6000.
$7k for the matching numbers AP5 is good value, some are seen selling for $10 - $15k.
It all gets down to what someone wants to pay. People want to have a reminder of their childhood and pay over the top $$
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It made $6000.
Less than I thought :) Maybe there are some bargains to be had in Old Val's if you pick the right one
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Less than I thought :) Maybe there are some bargains to be had in Old Val's if you pick the right one
Yeah, but take your time and wait until they come up.
Last week down in Hobart an XP Falcon sedan came up on Facebook. I would have called it in fair condition. Registered until a month ago, driveable, minimal rust. Paint was faded, but if your into patina, it was fine. It was offered for $4500. It sold in the time it took for me to show it to the missus and then send a message to the poster. Literally two minutes. Sometime things like that come up, but you need to have the $$ ready. :cheers:
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Yeah, but take your time and wait until they come up.
Last week down in Hobart an XP Falcon sedan came up on Facebook. I would have called it in fair condition. Registered until a month ago, driveable, minimal rust. Paint was faded, but if your into patina, it was fine. It was offered for $4500. It sold in the time it took for me to show it to the missus and then send a message to the poster. Literally two minutes. Sometime things like that come up, but you need to have the $$ ready. :cheers:
agree totally - bargains always come up when you have no cash around too :(
So you learnt from this - don't worry about the missus approval next time just do it! ;) ;) ;)
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I'm a Ford man and have been looking at Falcons/Fairlanes but half decent ones are $20k minimum.
like old holdens?
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/dirty-creek/cars-vans-utes/ej-eh-holden-windowless-panel-van/1160272902/ (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/dirty-creek/cars-vans-utes/ej-eh-holden-windowless-panel-van/1160272902/)
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(https://i.imgur.com/mK2mD6O.jpg)
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Here's my old Val. Sold it about 3 months ago. This sold for 19k.
(https://i.imgur.com/pKHqt8k.jpg)
I nearly had this Pacer in the shed but I missed it because I sat on it to long. Sold for 10k. I had plans of doing a full mechanical resto on it but leave the body the way it was.
Cheer, Mike.
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I know it's not a Valiant, but I've got one of these.....
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should have read whole of thread before replying 😔
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Awesome pics guys!
If I was ready to buy I would jump on something like this at $14k. Any reason not to? An equivalent ford would be $25+. Or maybe a CM. Not into the early 60s models. Some nice 6s for under $10k but for me it has to be a V8, had plenty of 6s in the past...
https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Chrysler-Valiant-1967/SSE-AD-4811554/?Cr=30 (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Chrysler-Valiant-1967/SSE-AD-4811554/?Cr=30)
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no, for the older valiants, the 265 is the engine of choice.
We towed a rally car on an A frame with a valiant ute with a 265. Going to the rally, with just tools in the back, the ute was crap. No traction anywhere. Coming back, with a rally car locating the rear end on the a-frame, that ute would overtake anything!
Then it got a bit older and less cared for. I recall burning 20 litres of oil driving from Sydney to Brisbane. 2 or 3 stops to refill the oil for each fuel stop..
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Awesome pics guys!
If I was ready to buy I would jump on something like this at $14k. Any reason not to? An equivalent ford would be $25+. Or maybe a CM. Not into the early 60s models. Some nice 6s for under $10k but for me it has to be a V8, had plenty of 6s in the past...
https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Chrysler-Valiant-1967/SSE-AD-4811554/?Cr=30 (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Chrysler-Valiant-1967/SSE-AD-4811554/?Cr=30)
That is Sh#t. A VIP is supposed to be classy. That is anything but.
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Unless its a pacer or six pack its gotta be a 318, or a 340 if you want to get a bit more serious.
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That is Sh#t. A VIP is supposed to be classy. That is anything but.
I tend to agree, a nice car let down by poor taste.
Its in the ballpark $ wise, and if its a genuine 318 matching numbers car will increase in value if returned to original.
Dont take the recommendation it has to be a 265 too seriously, there are some really nice 160hp 225 slant 6s out there from earlier years, and Mopar 273 and 318 V8s are becoming rarer.
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I tend to agree, a nice car let down by poor taste.
Its in the ballpark $ wise, and if its a genuine 318 matching numbers car will increase in value if returned to original.
Dont take the recommendation it has to be a 265 too seriously, there are some really nice 160hp 225 slant 6s out there from earlier years, and Mopar 273 and 318 V8s are becoming rarer.
Yep. And as they get older and fewer are around, I think originality is where it's at. By all means modify them if you want, but do it in a way that can be returned to original.
Cheers, Mike.
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I am all for original, original sale papers and logbooks would make me drool! In the one I linked to, I imagined returning it to stock would be removing the rear black stripe, 2x bonnet scoops and standard wheels. I can look past the wheels and stripe but the bonnet scoops are awful.
Gotta be a V8 too, 6s are not on the shopping list although some are quite tempting.
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Fix motor and tyres and run with patina?
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/inverell/cars-vans-utes/valiant/1160580721 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/inverell/cars-vans-utes/valiant/1160580721)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/n7IAAOSwfCZZx0v~/$_20.JPG)
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My first car was a 1966 VC AP6, with a slant 6.
Sold it to my cousin for next to nothing buy an XE Falcon and regret it everyday since. He subsequently killed it as a paddock basher!!
Have recently become interested again and have convinced the better half that I need one. Just gotta find something half decent.
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There was a really neat one for sale in Shep recently - check Gumtree ....Not mine i just look ....a lot !
I have no more room till i build or extend my shed .
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Bit of a thread dig (found the thread looking for something else) but thought I would update.
Finally got myself a chrome classic March 2020. Valiant prices had taken off, anything Aussie was stupid money, add a V8 and price jumps exponentially again. Ended up with a 1975 Mercedes 280S. Fantastic condition, all original, runs and drives great. Previous owner spent $14k doing things like tyres, bearings, oil leaks, brakes etc etc so all the hard work was done. Only a 6cyl but for $7.5k I couldn't say no!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/nJ97Mu2.jpg)
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It looks good too.
They drive nice too.
Make sure you use a mechanic that knows those ol girls.
If I owned that, i'd get a guy to do some white wall stripes on the existing tyres or fit a set of proper white wall tyres.
A set of whites would really make the car pop.
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Steffo1 had maybe an AP6? ??? ??? back when he had shoulder length non grey hair ;D
Back in the dinosaur days :laugh:
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Bit of a thread dig (found the thread looking for something else) but thought I would update.
Finally got myself a chrome classic March 2020. Valiant prices had taken off, anything Aussie was stupid money, add a V8 and price jumps exponentially again. Ended up with a 1975 Mercedes 280S. Fantastic condition, all original, runs and drives great. Previous owner spent $14k doing things like tyres, bearings, oil leaks, brakes etc etc so all the hard work was done. Only a 6cyl but for $7.5k I couldn't say no!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/nJ97Mu2.jpg)
I do like the early Mercs. I do like original cars but I would love to do an engine conversion on one. LS or N/A Barra. Nothing outrages horsepower wise, just a bit of modern poke.
Cheers, Mike.
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Back in the dinosaur days :laugh:
Steve had Hair?????
;D
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I do like the early Mercs. I do like original cars but I would love to do an engine conversion on one. LS or N/A Barra. Nothing outrages horsepower wise, just a bit of modern poke.
Cheers, Mike.
It’s not n the cards if this motor carks it. Neighbour has a ba falcon he doesn’t use anymore and was going to take it to the wreckers, I got first dibs when he gets rid of it....