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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #75 on: January 03, 2018, 05:15:00 AM »
Quote from: Bird on January 02, 2018, 01:25:17 PM
earlier today
3 barges going, apparently line moving pretty quickly




I think i'd setup for another night.

Be some nervous types Shitting themselves watching the tide come it.
Not much sand above the high water mark.
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #76 on: January 03, 2018, 05:25:46 AM »
Quote from: Bird on January 02, 2018, 01:25:17 PM
earlier today
3 barges going, apparently line moving pretty quickly




I think i'd setup for another night.

It looks so enticing....
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #77 on: January 03, 2018, 06:41:04 AM »
Someone was in a hurry to get over the other side.

https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/posts/1336717333100626
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #78 on: January 03, 2018, 08:06:25 AM »
Quote from: Hookie on January 01, 2018, 06:21:19 AM
I can never understand why I see vehicles with winches using snatch straps to get unstuck. I carry a snatch strap, but unless it's impossible somehow, I'll always use my winch first. I just don't like the idea of those huge forces between 2 vehicles if there is another option.
Spot on Hookie, always start with the least amount of force option. As suggested Maxtrax or similar are a good starting point, if bogged. I would also use a winch before a snatch strap, if practical.

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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #79 on: January 03, 2018, 10:42:34 AM »
Quote from: bullies on January 03, 2018, 08:06:25 AM
Spot on Hookie, always start with the least amount of force option. As suggested Maxtrax or similar are a good starting point, if bogged. I would also use a winch before a snatch strap, if practical

A shovel is always my first option.

A winch is a bit hard to use on a beach.
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #80 on: January 03, 2018, 03:03:53 PM »
Quote from: banksy69 on January 03, 2018, 06:41:04 AM
Someone was in a hurry to get over the other side.

https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/posts/1336717333100626

Looks like had got a bit of a run-up, from the Bruce Hwy. ???
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #81 on: January 03, 2018, 03:14:00 PM »
Quote from: Charlie Brown on January 03, 2018, 10:42:34 AM
A shovel is always my first option.

A winch is a bit hard to use on a beach.

8 to 10 PSI in the tires, Has always worked for me in the  talcum powder like soft stuff sand  [ Just got to get off  the go pedal and not bury the truck ]   in the first few seconds in the first place ..
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #82 on: January 03, 2018, 03:17:46 PM »
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8 to 10 PSI in the tires, Has always worked for me in the  talcum powder like soft stuff sand  [ Just got to get off  the go pedal and not bury the truck ]   in the first few seconds in the first place ..

yep and most times its only a quick snatch to get people out unless they keep the slipper to the floor and are sittin on chassis. No need for winching. amazing how many are scared to drop pressures that low.
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #83 on: January 03, 2018, 08:01:35 PM »
Quote from: Charlie Brown on January 03, 2018, 10:42:34 AM
A winch is a bit hard to use on a beach.

Yeah, but if you can snatch, you can winch.
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #84 on: January 03, 2018, 08:07:45 PM »
But it takes too long to set up a winch  for the time poor on holidays   :-*     :cheers:
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #85 on: January 03, 2018, 08:17:44 PM »
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Yeah, but if you can snatch, you can winch.

... but why would you?
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #86 on: January 03, 2018, 08:45:02 PM »
Quote from: Bird on January 03, 2018, 08:17:44 PM
... but why would you?
mate had his 17ft caravan on Straddie with us over Xmas, if he got bogged we planned to winch him out rather then snatch a loaded 200 series and van...just safer with the amount of forces in play. At the end of the day his lowered tyre pressures were more then adequate, especially being his van tyres were something like 12psi coming into camp.
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #87 on: January 04, 2018, 07:58:08 AM »
Quote from: Bird on January 01, 2018, 10:33:26 AM
Cause a snatch recovery is quicker and easier to setup ???

Ever since i got the Max Trax's my snatch strap has been gathering dust
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #88 on: January 04, 2018, 08:27:14 AM »
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mate had his 17ft caravan on Straddie with us over Xmas, if he got bogged we planned to winch him out rather then snatch a loaded 200 series and van...just safer with the amount of forces in play. At the end of the day his lowered tyre pressures were more then adequate, especially being his van tyres were something like 12psi coming into camp.
with a Van you'd access the situation, possibly having to unhitch... then get car out etc...
but car alone that's stuck, winch would be a last resort for me.
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #89 on: January 04, 2018, 05:11:33 PM »
I have 4 maxtrax I've never used (on myself), a snatch strap I've never used at all, and a winch. If there were no other vehicles to help out, I'd drop as much air as possible first (that's as far as I've ever had to go), then get the trax. If there was another vehicle, I'd winch off it before snatching. I prefer the idea of the gradual pull of the winch on both vehicles over the sudden massive force of the snatch strap. To me, a snatch strap is a last, desperate resort.
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #90 on: January 04, 2018, 06:00:18 PM »
Quote from: Hookie on January 04, 2018, 05:11:33 PM
I have 4 maxtrax I've never used (on myself), a snatch strap I've never used at all, and a winch. If there were no other vehicles to help out, I'd drop as much air as possible first (that's as far as I've ever had to go), then get the trax. If there was another vehicle, I'd winch off it before snatching. I prefer the idea of the gradual pull of the winch on both vehicles over the sudden massive force of the snatch strap. To me, a snatch strap is a last, desperate resort.

You obviously haven't been stuck on a track with a hord of impatient 4bs lined up behind you. Quicker is often better. Besides on places like Fraser there is often nowhere to winch from.
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #91 on: January 04, 2018, 06:54:53 PM »
Quote from: Hookie on January 04, 2018, 05:11:33 PM
I have 4 maxtrax I've never used (on myself), a snatch strap I've never used at all, and a winch. If there were no other vehicles to help out, I'd drop as much air as possible first (that's as far as I've ever had to go), then get the trax. If there was another vehicle, I'd winch off it before snatching. I prefer the idea of the gradual pull of the winch on both vehicles over the sudden massive force of the snatch strap. To me, a snatch strap is a last, desperate resort.

Maybe the people snatching you need training or you need to instruct them on how its done.. You don't have to do much 99% of the time to snatch people out.. sometimes it isn't even a snatch - more like just a tow..
Yea theres videos of arsehats with the slipper into the carpet but its rarely needed


heres a good example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVKdd38gH4

and as MC said - on some trips there isn't time to winch everytime you get stuck, or you'd go nowhere.. EG: Beachport beach driving.
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #92 on: January 04, 2018, 08:04:28 PM »
Quote from: Charlie Brown on January 02, 2018, 05:45:54 PM
Hey Hookie, you need to thank Donny Miller who Topcat stole it from  ;D

Great quote nonetheless  :cup:

WHAT! I resemble that allegation!

I've never stolen words from anyone.

It's like I was saying to the guy waiting for the barge yesterday "all my troubles seemed so far away. Now it looks as through they're here to stay"

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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #93 on: January 04, 2018, 08:51:03 PM »
Quote from: topcat on January 04, 2018, 08:04:28 PM
WHAT! I resemble that allegation!

I've never stolen words from anyone.

It's like I was saying to the guy waiting for the barge yesterday "all my troubles seemed so far away. Now it looks as through they're here to stay"

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  ...all this stress over concerns that applying the snatch is somehow bad for your truck...

My understanding is that Snatches are designed to soak up stress....

Like a big rubber  band...   

Of course there will always be exceptions - where a driver will just give it a hard yank - when a gentle pull would have been less stressful  ....





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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #94 on: January 04, 2018, 08:59:53 PM »
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #95 on: January 05, 2018, 05:00:35 AM »
Quote from: Bird on January 04, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
heres a good example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVKdd38gH4

Point well made, I've never seen a snatch recovery done like that! But most of the ones I've seen have been on youtube, guess there's a reason they're on youtube.

But I'd still winch first if it was an option. Maybe it's partly due to my desire to justify the $1k+ bolted to the front of my rig...
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #96 on: January 05, 2018, 05:31:22 AM »
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Re: Fraser Island Idiot Report
« Reply #97 on: January 05, 2018, 07:14:16 AM »
Quote from: Bird on January 04, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
Maybe the people snatching you need training or you need to instruct them on how its done.. You don't have to do much 99% of the time to snatch people out.. sometimes it isn't even a snatch - more like just a tow..

heres a good example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVKdd38gH4

Yeah I would be relucent to let a stranger snatch me, people use way to much right foot.

Maybe this vid should be posted on 'I got bogged at Inskip' FB page so all the arse hats that realise they are using way to much right foot.

monkey see monkey do is part of the problem with snatching on Fraser, people have no idea so they just do what they see everyone else doing.

 
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