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Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 13, 2020, 07:46:30 AM
Short, informative  and honest statements about the virus.

If everyone took notice of this we should all do well.

https://youtu.be/vpALWJBQq2M

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on March 13, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
Thank you biggish. That is very informative. It would be nice if they could splash that across the media instead of the Clive Dunn style Shite they're throwing out there.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 13, 2020, 08:36:03 AM
World Health Org site.

https://www.who.int/ (https://www.who.int/)


Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Situation
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on March 13, 2020, 10:19:51 AM
Short, informative  and honest statements about the virus.

If everyone took notice of this we should all do well.

https://youtu.be/vpALWJBQq2M

So all the same symptoms of the flu, with the same at risk people needing to seek attention etc, transmission appears to be the same as the flu, so can someone please explain to me why are we shutting everything down and stuffing the economy.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 13, 2020, 10:32:45 AM
So all the same symptoms of the flu, with the same at risk people needing to seek attention etc, transmission appears to be the same as the flu, so can someone please explain to me why are we shutting everything down and stuffing the economy.
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Probably because we have a vaccine to help stop the flu affecting many people.  This one has no vaccine so there is no way of helping you from getting it.... ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on March 13, 2020, 10:33:43 AM
So all the same symptoms of the flu, with the same at risk people needing to seek attention etc, transmission appears to be the same as the flu, so can someone please explain to me why are we shutting everything down and stuffing the economy.

To reduce the rate of infection so that hospitals and other health professionals dont get over run by mass cases involving older and the chronically challenged  at one time.  Smoothing the incidence rate.  The hospital system in Italy is on the verge of breaking down.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/doctor-warns-of-tough-decisions-about-access-to-care-in-a-pandemic-20200312-p549b3.html

A recent post from FB.

I am writing to you from Bergamo, Italy, at the heart of the coronavirus crisis. The news media in the US has not captured the severity of what is happening here. I am writing this post because each of you, today, not the government, not the school district, not the mayor, each individual citizen has the chance, today to take actions that will deter the Italian situation from becoming your own country’s reality. The only way to stop this virus is to limit contagion. And the only way to limit contagion is for millions of people to change their behavior today.

If you are in Europe or the US you are weeks away from where we are today in Italy.

I can hear you now. “It’s just a flu. It only affects old people with preconditions”

There are 2 reasons why Coronavirus has brought Italy to it’s knees. First it is a flu is devastating when people get really sick they need weeks of ICU – and, second, because of how fast and effectively it spreads. There is 2 week incubation period and many who have it never show symptoms.

When Prime Minister Conte announced last night that the entire country, 60 million people, would go on lock down, the line that struck me most was “there is no more time.” Because to be clear, this national lock down, is a hail mary. What he means is that if the numbers of contagion do not start to go down, the system, Italy, will collapse.

Why? Today the ICUs in Lombardy are at capacity – more than capacity. They have begun to put ICU units in the hallways. If the numbers do not go down, the growth rate of contagion tells us that there will be thousands of people who in a matter of a week? two weeks? who will need care. What will happen when there are 100, or a 1000 people who need the hospital and only a few ICU places left?

On Monday a doctor wrote in the paper that they have begun to have to decide who lives and who dies when the patients show up in the emergency room, like what is done in war. This will only get worse.

There are a finite number of drs, nurses, medical staff and they are getting the virus. They have also been working non-stop, non-stop for days and days. What happens when the drs, nurses and medical staff are simply not able to care for the patients, when they are not there?

And finally for those who say that this is just something that happens to old people, starting yesterday the hospitals are reporting that younger and younger patients – 40, 45, 18, are coming in for treatment.

You have a chance to make a difference and stop the spread in your country. Push for the entire office to work at home today, cancel birthday parties, and other gatherings, stay home as much as you can. If you have a fever, any fever, stay home. Push for school closures, now. Anything you can do to stop the spread, because it is spreading in your communities – there is a two week incubation period – and if you do these things now you can buy your medical system time.

And for those who say it is not possible to close the schools, and do all these other things, locking down Italy was beyond anyone’s imagination a week ago.

Soon you will not have a choice, so do what you can now.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on March 13, 2020, 10:37:58 AM
He certainly didn't say that Pottsy.COVID 19 is more infective and has a case fatality rate between 10x the flu on the low side (South Korea)  and 50x on the high side (Italy). If everyone gets it in a rush, the health system will collapse similar to Wuhan and Italy.If you can slow its progress with good hygiene and social isolation to reduce the rate of transmission, then you buy time for the health system to cope. It appears mainly the elderly are adversely affected but in Italy, the median age of patients requiring ventilation is 65, with the youngest being 20 years old. Obviously those with compromised immune systems such as cancer patients etc will also be greatly affected. Approximately 10% of those tested in China and Italy have required hospitalisation for intubation or oxygen therapy. Health systems across the world simply do not have enough capacity (beds, staff, ventilation equipment) to deal with an influx of that many patients at once. So all the efforts are designed to delay the transmission, we won't stop it. A side effect that isn't being well understood is that if all the critical care beds are taken then there is no capacity to deal with normal patients who run into trouble and may need time in ICU. So we end up with more people dying unnecessarily. Here is a good article explaining the transmission issues health services face.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

This will all take time. Its been in China for three months now. We are just at the start. The economic issues come to us by our global integration. The three main regional engines of growth and prosperity are all going to be adversely affected, Asia, USA and Europe.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: doc evil on March 13, 2020, 02:21:10 PM
The company I work for is having a "trial" work from home day on Monday in preparedness......................as I'm living in Brisbane and working in Perth, I don't have internet in the apartment and as a contractor, I won't get paid. I'm overtiming it this weekend.

Be an interesting scenario if it comes to fruition as the majority of people here are contractors and 2-3 weeks without income is going to hurt and hurt many!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 13, 2020, 02:40:58 PM
The company I work for is having a "trial" work from home day on Monday in preparedness......................as I'm living in Brisbane and working in Perth, I don't have internet in the apartment and as a contractor, I won't get paid. I'm overtiming it this weekend.

Be an interesting scenario if it comes to fruition as the majority of people here are contractors and 2-3 weeks without income is going to hurt and hurt many!
Its interesting - we were discussing about people being told to not come in, or those without holidays... how do you pay your mortgage and loans if you have no income.. This could go on for days or months....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on March 13, 2020, 02:52:10 PM
Its interesting - we were discussing about people being told to not come in, or those without holidays... how do you pay your mortgage and loans if you have no income.. This could go on for days or months....

No one knows. In Italy apparently they are suspending payments.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/486760-italy-suspends-mortgage-payments-during-coronavirus

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on March 13, 2020, 02:52:28 PM
From a corporate perspective this is a daily evolving situation. Management with HR/HSEE teams will be working through all sorts of what if scenarios and releasing them as/when required. We were asked to test remote connectivity last week at scale and today we've been told to work from home until at least the end of March. We are also able to be paid up to 2 weeks on top of our sick/AL entitlements if we are confirmed and/or need to self isolate, this was introduced a few days ago. That said my wife's work is running BAU, so YMMV.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 13, 2020, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: D4D
From a corporate perspective this is a daily evolving situation. Management with HR/HSEE teams will be working through all sorts of what if scenarios and releasing them as/when required.
yep, been working flat out today getting laptops sorted for Payroll and Finance important people... etc...
nobody knows whats going on here there and anywhere... but most of our work cant be done from home... Mine can :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rossm on March 13, 2020, 05:23:10 PM
I guess at times like this many workers, those on contract etc, will find out what sort of people they are working for.

Not all bosses are bastards, but a lot are.

As a retiree I say all the best to those caught up in this. I have my own issues, like the plummeting vaiue of my super fund. But I am debt free so that is what is. I  might run out of money when I’m 83 instead of 86.

Still planning a trip to Tassie next month. Stay healthy Taswegians. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 13, 2020, 05:42:52 PM
From a corporate perspective this is a daily evolving situation. Management with HR/HSEE teams will be working through all sorts of what if scenarios and releasing them as/when required. We were asked to test remote connectivity last week at scale and today we've been told to work from home until at least the end of March. We are also able to be paid up to 2 weeks on top of our sick/AL entitlements if we are confirmed and/or need to self isolate, this was introduced a few days ago. That said my wife's work is running BAU, so YMMV.
We are doing a mass work from home trial today to "stress test" the remote access systems. I occasionally work from home anyway and so far all is good.  We have also been given the option of working from home next week. I'm also a contractor, so have no certainty of work but I'm not living week to week either.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: briann532 on March 13, 2020, 05:57:20 PM
So how do us tradesman, work from home???

 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 13, 2020, 06:14:21 PM
I see now that Dutton has just tested positive after a trip to the USA.  Sooner we shut all non essential overseas travel the better...especially to regions where the virus is..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 13, 2020, 06:34:22 PM
I see now that Dutton has just tested positive after a trip to the USA.  Sooner we shut all non essential overseas travel the better...especially to regions where the virus is..
Yep, but is ScoMo going to self -quarantine himself since he was with Dutton in a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday? No, claims to have advice that he doesn't need to. Another completely tone-deaf response from Scotty from Marketing. And just to be sure, he will also go to the footy tomorrow night and probably Church on Sunday.

It's times like this, I wish Trump was our president. At least he is open and decisive.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 13, 2020, 06:46:25 PM
Yep, but is ScoMo going to self -quarantine himself since he was with Dutton in a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday? No, claims to have advice that he doesn't need to. Another completely tone-deaf response from Scotty from Marketing. And just to be sure, he will also go to the footy tomorrow night and probably Church on Sunday.

It's times like this, I wish Trump was our president. At least he is open and decisive.
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Scummo is looking like a complete idiot at the moment...He,s off to the footy but has seen theF1 race abandoned due to the virus. Govt is advising not to attend crowds of 500 or more and yet this idiot is going to the footy.  He never has been a leader and never will be. I would have thought that anyone coming into contact with Dutton would automatically be put in quarantine...especially govt pollies..No wonder people are getting frustrated...why cant we get honest, informative info from the medical fraternity and tell the pollies to f off with their bullShit grandstanding and hypocrisy
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: McGirr on March 13, 2020, 06:47:09 PM
We have been advised that only necessary travel out of communities is recommended at the moment, we are heading into Alice Springs for a weekend of R and R.

The concern is that if the virus hits any remote community then there could be major issues with a large loss of life due to the poor health of the indigenous in communities. We are unsure as yet whether the clinic here can test for the virus. We will need to find this out.  As we manager the community store, if it does hit then we would get it for sure. The company we work for working with the NT Govt  to follow any recommendations that are forthcoming. 

Any non essential work or travel to communities has been put on hold for a while.

Time will tell I suppose.

Mark
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 13, 2020, 11:23:08 PM
Close the borders, Bring in marshal law,  set up mobile hospitals if needed,  limit all movement to esential local travel only  and everyone bunkers down for a minimum of  xxx  weeks at home ..
That way you control and isolate out breaks and can target them easier till the cycle is broken ..  Dont laugh it could be coming sooner rather than later .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 14, 2020, 09:18:26 AM
Dont laugh it could should be coming sooner rather than later .

FTFY, Edz!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 14, 2020, 09:46:21 AM
Why not send all the infected cases to Christmas Island?  Dutton would appreciate it as he said its an excellent place?  It would free up hospital beds and guarantee isolation....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 14, 2020, 09:58:02 AM
Close the borders, Bring in marshal law,  set up mobile hospitals if needed,  limit all movement to esential local travel only  and everyone bunkers down for a minimum of  xxx  weeks at home ..
That way you control and isolate out breaks and can target them easier till the cycle is broken ..  Dont laugh it could be coming sooner rather than later .

It will be months not weeks, this thing isn't going away quickly. The thing about the preventative measures as being bought in at the moment, is as others have mentioned is to slow down the incidence rate to allow the health system to cope, this hopefully spreads the critical cases over an extended period to allow those that need it to get access to medical attention to get it, the flip side of that is this is going to be a thing for many months, not weeks. Hubei is coming up to two months of far more serious lockdowns than we are looking at at the moment with no end in sight, the lockdowns there (similar to what you have said) are only about slowing down the spread, there is no real possibility of stopping the virus now, it's about management. Eventually, there will either be a vaccine that helps to wipe it out (at least a year before it will be available), or it will be that due to 60%+ people having had it, herd immunity should kick in.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 14, 2020, 10:06:36 AM
Why not send all the infected cases to Christmas Island?  Dutton would appreciate it as he said its an excellent place?  It would free up hospital beds and guarantee isolation....

They already did that with some that returned from the infected cruises. The isolation is good for those that may have been exposed, once the case is confirmed through, Hospitals are best equipped to deal with them with the number we have at the moment. As the numbers continue to rise though, it will only be the bad cases that get hospitalised. As I mentioned in my previous comment, there is no real possibility of containment stopping it now, its just about management.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 14, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
Then there is the employment factor ... Flight center closing 100 stores is only the tip of the iceberg here...

Travel industry and food will be massively hit.. Lots of business wont recover from this at all.

We went to our fav chinese restaurant Thursday night, we were first customers all week they had..


Not just AU either

The Pierer Mobility Group, including KTM, Husqvarna and GasGas, Europe’s largest motorcycle manufacturer, will be interrupting operation and production late this month through until April 10. Due to the impact of the coronavirus on northern Italy, and the possibility of supply chain interruptions due to effected outside suppliers, staff will be sent on a two week company vacation from March 30 to April 10
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 14, 2020, 12:54:47 PM
A mate just sent me this, interesting as it was written more  than ten years ago apparently ..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on March 14, 2020, 01:14:18 PM
Wow! That is scary. When was that book published edz?
Oops, just noticed you mentioned ten years ago.
Not a relation of Nostradamos were they?

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 14, 2020, 01:23:37 PM
Just looked it up ...Apparently way back in 2008 .. Scary huh to be so close ..
 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 14, 2020, 01:30:05 PM
Read the one above it and can't remember anything like it happening, that is on page 312 so not a little book by the look of things, make enough predictions and one of them will come close eventually.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 14, 2020, 04:19:27 PM
A mate just sent me this, interesting as it was written more  than ten years ago apparently ..
Probably not the best title of a thread to post any of  her predictions. ;)

I can’t exactly recall the flesh eating bug that she predicted happening in 2010 on the same page as this magical disappearing virus.

And she caused families a lot of pain with her false predictions on missing persons cases.

She said Amanda Berry was dead, but the woman who was held hostage by Ariel Castro in Ohio is very much alive.

In the case of 11-year-old Shawn Hornbeck, Browne told his parents he was dead and had been kidnapped by a dark-skinned man with dreadlocks. Five years later, Hornbeck was found alive and had been abducted by a Caucasian man with short hair.

Browne told a grieving grandmother of a 6-year-old girl who was abducted from her yard in Texas that she had been sold into slavery and taken to Japan. Four years later authorities found the girls’ remains in Texas.

Some of her other goodies include;

“Volcanic eruption in Japan causes poisonous cloud mass in April (1998).”

“David Letterman decides to call it quits from his nightly late show after this year (2000).”

“American troops will be pulled out of Iraq by June or July (2004).”

“Julia Roberts’ marriage will end (2004).”

Browne also famously claimed she would die at the age of 88, but she was 77 when she passed away.
Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 14, 2020, 04:28:02 PM
But back here in the real world, our company has now officially stopped all travel.

Me and my 3 colleagues that just returned from NZ last night are not allowed to have face to face contact with any other employees for 2 weeks.
My interstate travel for next week has all been canceled.

All of our up coming projects on NSW Health sites have been postponed until January next year and about $8M worth of new equipment will now be placed in storage.

Our Australian industry conference that was due to be held in Melbourne next month has been canceled.
And our Global industry conference that was due to be held in Frankfurt Germany in June has been postponed until November.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on March 14, 2020, 05:08:22 PM
I see that NZ has officially closed their borders as of midnight this Sunday. Any citizens returning after that have to go into isolation for fourteen days. This will affect all sports teams that are offshore at present. All cruise ships are banned and will be reviewed on June 30th. This effectively stops their tourist industry which will have serious financial repercussions.
We need to follow suit here before it becomes too late, if it is'nt already.




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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 14, 2020, 05:11:00 PM
Then there is the employment factor ... and food will be massively hit

Talking to a mate yesterday who does consultancy work for a big abattoir in SEQ.

They're shutting up shop next week (or at least stopping production) as they've run out of freezer space to hold prepared meat, as there is no shipping available to take containers o'seas, which is their market!

It's the same here on the GC, where the We're All Doomed screams start as soon as anything happens to reduce tourist numbers, especially from o/s.

Don't concentrate so much on one single source of income that if anything happens, you're stuffed! ::)

Sell meat to Oz as well as o/s, try to have something else other than tourism to run the city, Uni's - don't concentrate on high fee paying foreign students at the expense of Aussie kids, & so on ::)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 14, 2020, 06:06:47 PM
Mrs Spada and her team (payroll department for a largish company) will be working remotely next week as a practice run in case their work site is forced to shut down, which is a possibility apparently  due to staff regularly travelling between Aus & China.

I've you've bought anything on Ebay from china, could be waiting a while for delivery. There are significant backlogs due to both China factories shutting down, and limited capacity to freight product from China. AusPost is seeing a dramatic drop in volumes of packages arriving from China.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 14, 2020, 08:15:04 PM
And on a positive note, Australian caught seafood is actually going to be affordable in Australia soon.

The last air cargo shipment of fresh seafood was accepted into China on January 26.

Local lobster prices have dropped by 20% and on track to get down to around $100/kg soon enough.
Prawns and crab prices are on the way down too.

But personally I’m waiting for the canceled live exports of coral trout to finally bring the prices of my favorite fish back to realistic levels. ;)
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Post by: PWE on March 14, 2020, 09:49:54 PM
Wonder if their will be a civil case brought against China.
They cause this with their ‘wild meat markets’, but it is China, so let’s stay political correct and not blame anyone.

I notice that Denmark close its borders, if you are not Danish you are not coming in.
France and Switzerland close the border with Italy, Austria to follow. Wonder what happened with freedom of movement and Europe is one. The silver lining is that what Italy did was brave and will save more people than what we realise. Europe will now find a cure since the virus have the potential to devastate Europe. Chinese, who cause this, will sweep it under the carpet, the ‘meat markets’ will be up and running within 3 months after the cure is found.

Anyone that can work from home should work from home. We procured more power cords and encourage people, contractors and FTE’s to work from home, no financial penalties will apply.

Interesting point about the tradies, what should they do? Not sure but I am hoping that part of the Government response will be to look after the tradies, because we all know what construction (housing, commercial, industrial, mining, infrastructure, ect) add to the GDP.

I also live in Brisbane and work out West, like one of the previous post.
We just finish the last work of the recovery of TC Damien on the network, so will see what the impact of the workforce will be. Interesting point will be the 500 limit, wonder what the construction camps will do? But then, with the gastro that sweeps through the Camps, no virus can survive that! 😎

Lastly, I will be watching the news and waiting for the Greens to blame climate change for the virus.
(Because we need to stay political correct and not blame China)

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on March 15, 2020, 10:25:21 AM
Hooking up the trailer and going away for a week, be glad not hear anything about CV, heartily sick of the crap.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 15, 2020, 10:31:40 AM
Hooking up the trailer and going away for a week, be glad not hear anything about CV, heartily sick of the crap.

LOL...IT WILL BE TWICE AS BAD WHEN YOU GET BACK!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 15, 2020, 10:48:55 AM
LOL...IT WILL BE TWICE AS BAD WHEN YOU GET BACK!!! :cheers:

If he's allowed back... and if he's allowed to go where he wants to go...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 15, 2020, 11:30:17 AM
if he's allowed to go where he wants to go...



Funny you should say this, Only last night, heard people from  a couple of  country places, talking  that they might have to  look at stopping  out siders as they called them,  from coming into their small townships  for a while ..
So there is some out there thinking along these lines .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 15, 2020, 11:55:20 AM

Funny you should say this, Only last night, heard people from  a couple of  country places, talking  that they might have to  look at stopping  out siders as they called them,  from coming into their small townships  for a while ..
So there is some out there thinking along these lines .

Can believe it; we've only got a 100 bed hospital here, but for anything more serious than a broken limb or (uncomlicated) childbirth, it's a trip to Tamworth at the nearest - more likely Newcastle or the Gold Coast.

Realistically, Australia has the distance between places that if travel is restricted between places the risk of spread is vastly reduced outside of the major metropolitan areas - but this will only work if people from those major areas stay put and not run for the hills.

If COVID19 hits the regional areas, be prepared for a big contraction in food supply - for example, an outbreak up here would be very likely to affect the supply of fresh tomatoes on the Eastern seaboard because of the Costa farm up the road due to a lack of staff and the very high risk of transmission on the picked fruit to the metropolitan areas.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: PWE on March 15, 2020, 11:57:57 AM

Call me what you want but the modern day viruses all started in China, and China kept it quiet till it spread to the world. And it was the world that found a cure, not China.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 15, 2020, 12:35:54 PM
Wow...

Italy may abandon over-80s to their fate as crisis grows

Bologna: Coronavirus victims in Italy could be left to die if they are aged 80 or more, or in poor health, under draft plans drawn up for the next phase of the crisis.

The victims will be denied access to intensive care should pressure on beds increase, according to a new regional protocol, seen by The Telegraph, London, from the government's crisis management unit in Turin.


https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/italy-may-abandon-over-80s-to-their-fate-as-crisis-grows-20200315-p54a75.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/italy-may-abandon-over-80s-to-their-fate-as-crisis-grows-20200315-p54a75.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 15, 2020, 12:41:59 PM
Call me what you want but the modern day viruses all started in China, and China kept it quiet till it spread to the world. And it was the world that found a cure, not China.

Can you list the modern day virus,s that originated from China?  I,d be interested to know as my teachings are different to your statement..I was lead to believe they originated in Africa, Europe and Asia...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 15, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
Saw this one my facebook feed.  It makes sense when you look at the numbers, simple maths really. 



Must read: Shared from a doctor friend working in Infectious Diseases in Western Australia. In her words...

As most of you know, I don’t post on Facebook often, but I need you to read this article. I have been a doctor on the infectious diseases team this week, and many people have asked me the same questions about corona virus, and this is what I’ve been telling them: we need to be prepared and wary, but not alarmed. The media has been very sensationalist and has a lot to answer for, including my inability to find toilet paper.

The covid-19 virus is coming to Australia, and in most places it is already here. For 80% of people who get it, you will develop mild cold symptoms. What’s the big deal then? Why are we talking about closing schools and cancelling events and sports?

Cancelling large gatherings will slow the spread of the virus, so hospitals are not overwhelmed. I’m a doctor and I don’t want to have to tell you that we can’t treat your mum because we’ve run out of oxygen. I don’t want to call you to tell you that your dad died in a corridor, because we didn’t have enough beds. This is what Northern Italy is experiencing right now, and they have one of the best healthcare systems in the world. This is what areas of the US are currently experiencing. They are having to choose which patients live and which ones die. China had to build 16 new hospitals in a few weeks for a city with the same population as Australia, and they still ran out of resources. They had to fly in builders, cleaners, kitchen staff, nurses and doctors from all around China to have enough staff. We don’t have this ability; it took 4 years to build the Perth Children’s Hospital. If we can slow it down, so there are enough resources and staff to treat everyone that gets sick, less people will die. A lot less. So yes, most people will develop mild symptoms, but upto 20% may need hospitalisation. That’s 1 in 5 people, and if this amount of people need hospital admission suddenly, like in Italy, China and America, our world class Australian healthcare system is going to struggle, and people will not be able to get the care they need, and they will die.

In regards to closing schools, children in particular seem to not develop many or any symptoms. They can then pass it on to other children and teachers, who will then take it home to their families, and potentially give it to grandparents. Older people and people with other medical conditions such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease, lung disease and high blood pressure are particularly at risk of dying from covid-19. People over the age of 80 may have a mortality rate of upto 14%. You don’t want your grandma to get it, if we can avoid it. You don’t want to accidently infect you’re child’s best friend’s mum, who is battling breast cancer, if we can avoid it. Your friend from book club or the men’s shed takes medications to suppress their immune system to treat an autoimmune disease, so you don’t want them to get it if we can avoid it.

If you are asked to self isolate, please stay at home the whole time. Don’t just “duck to the shops” because “I’ll only be there for 5 minutes, it won’t hurt anyone”. It does and it will. When the lockdown in Italy started, people in Italy were still going to the gym, to cafes and other places in public. Look where they are now: the whole country is in lockdown and funerals are banned. They can’t even grieve their dead. Isolating yourself when asked to is a sign of altruism. Going out when you’ve been asked not to is essentially saying that your short term pleasure/job etc. is more important than someone else’s life. You might not feel sick enough to want to stay home, but if you don’t someone else could die. Or multiple people. On average one person with corona virus infects 2-3 others, but one person in Korea infected hundreds accidently before they were found and isolated.

I want you and your family to get the best care possible, in one of the best health care systems in the world. But we can’t do this without everyone getting involved. Please read this article. Start preparing. Start physically distancing yourself from other people by more than 1 metre. Please stop handshaking, hugging or kissing people on the cheek. Please frequently wash your hands with alcohol hand rub or soap and water for 20 seconds. Notice and reduce the amount you touch your face.

Please read this article. Singapore and Hong Kong have contained the virus by using the measures mentioned in the article. We can too, but we need everyone to pull together. Please stay home if you unwell, even if you only have a mild cold, please only take what you need from the supermarket, and please just be kind. If we do this together, the impacts of the corona virus will be much less, and a lot more people will live.
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Post by: Wazza999 on March 15, 2020, 01:21:49 PM
It's definitely a case of if you are going to get the virus, hope you get it very soon while we still have a hospital system that is coping. Not looking forward to potentially having to engage with the ACT Hospital Emergency, as the only major hospital serving both the ACT and the NSW south coast they are under-resourced for a normal flu season. The other interesting complication is the unknown effect on lungs and susceptibility to the virus from the prolonged exposure to bushfire smoke of everyone in the region. I know I was surprised by the effect the smoke had on me and a number of people I have spoken to, none of whom have any previous history of respiratory disorders.

2011 NT Pajero; 2007 Goldstream Crown 4B

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Post by: Robbo on March 15, 2020, 01:45:38 PM
Thank you alnjan. Excellent post both factual and sensible. Hopefully it will give some a better understanding of the situation we are faced with and put some minds at rest.

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Post by: tryagain on March 15, 2020, 03:59:32 PM
Thank you alnjan. Excellent post both factual and sensible. Hopefully it will give some a better understanding of the situation we are faced with and put some minds at rest.


The only caveat I would add is, I saw an expert from the US saying that closing schools, especially given it's minimal effect on children could be counter productive. This is because people have to stay home and care for them, this includes health workers. The stats he cited were from the US but it was a sizeable percentage of the health workforce could be needed at home.

It's the kind of big picture that a Dr might not necessarily think about but something that governments have to consider.
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Post by: alnjan on March 15, 2020, 04:21:56 PM

The only caveat I would add is, I saw an expert from the US saying that closing schools, especially given it's minimal effect on children could be counter productive. This is because people have to stay home and care for them, this includes health workers. The stats he cited were from the US but it was a sizeable percentage of the health workforce could be needed at home.

It's the kind of big picture that a Dr might not necessarily think about but something that governments have to consider.

I think it is that reason the PM has said today the Schools at present will stay open for now.  Unless I read it wrong.
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Post by: tryagain on March 15, 2020, 05:52:16 PM
I think it is that reason the PM has said today the Schools at present will stay open for now.  Unless I read it wrong.

I would say it would at least be part of it, they probably also want to keep the economy ticking over, shutting schools would be pretty detrimental to it so they probably take that into consideration as well.

The cynical part of me thinks that even with a total lockdown, they are saying it can't be contained, so they probably don't want it to drag on for a year or two until a viable vaccine is available, rather have enough people get it to then have some herd immunity, but at a rate where they can keep a decent level of medical care. If they could keep the casualty rate to 0.25-0.5% due to availability of quality care (with most of those otherwise having limited time left anyway) it would probably be seen as a win. That's still a death toll of 35-70 thousand
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Post by: McGirr on March 15, 2020, 06:20:58 PM
So much social media hype that's causing the panic. Saying 80% of people will get the virus does not help the situation, hence the mass panic buying of things.

Curious if it was changed to 80% of people will get the flu or catch a cold this year,  would there be the same panic.

Mark
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Post by: CTL on March 15, 2020, 06:51:41 PM
What I read was that 80% of the population will only have mild symptoms and may not even know they have COVID-19.
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Post by: tryagain on March 15, 2020, 07:20:39 PM
What I read was that 80% of the population will only have mild symptoms and may not even know they have COVID-19.

Yep, this is the 80% figure I have read, for those it will likely just be like a common cold, I have read once it gets to 60%, herd immunity should kick in. Pretty sure I read that the QLD gov is expecting about 25% of people to get it, not sure what is going to stop in at that point though.
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Post by: Paddler Ed on March 15, 2020, 07:30:44 PM
Yep, this is the 80% figure I have read, for those it will likely just be like a common cold, I have read once it gets to 60%, herd immunity should kick in. Pretty sure I read that the QLD gov is expecting about 25% of people to get it, not sure what is going to stop in at that point though.

I suspect the population dispersal of QLD is favourable to that; it's much more evenly spread between the Brisbane/GC/SC metropolis and the regional cities, whereas NSW is skewed to the Newcastle, Sydney & Wollongong metropolitan area.
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Post by: rossm on March 15, 2020, 08:27:55 PM
As a single retiree I live in social isolation a lot of the time.  ;D But that's OK, that's  my choice largely..

What I can't cope with is the stupidity in the shops. My local shopping centre carpark today resembled a busy Saturday in December.

I would have thought  Australians as a rule were a bit smarter than that.   

I wonder what a bit of social isolation and travel restrictions would do for the road toll. Far more people die on the roads than this is likely to kill I'd  suggest.
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Post by: glenm64 on March 15, 2020, 09:11:29 PM



What I can't cope with is the stupidity in the shops. My local shopping centre carpark today resembled a busy Saturday in December.


You havent seen anything yet. Just watch the panic set in.
Mother nature is just doing what she always does - adapt, change and survive.

Cheers Glen

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Post by: plusnq on March 15, 2020, 09:24:45 PM
It’s already here.

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Post by: shakey55 on March 16, 2020, 05:35:37 AM
FTFY, Edz!
I’m with you edz

Look at the countries getting on top of it. They have put in such tough laws.

People will not like it, but it works and we should do it immediately


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Post by: Bird on March 16, 2020, 08:31:06 AM
Nice to see Coles and Woolworths having a special time for the elderly to shop without being shoved out of the way and beaten by panic buying ****wits...

Shame its 7-8am before most would have got up.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 16, 2020, 08:47:27 AM
Just saw the same thing mentioned about IGA, but their special time is 6 - 7AM!!! :o

& if staff are usually there at 6 for a 7.00 opening, that will mean they will now need to be on deck at 5 - & does anybody think they'll be paid o/t ??? :'(
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Post by: Bird on March 16, 2020, 10:16:00 AM
We may have our first case..
Young chick in Sydney office VERY sick with flu type stuff.. been admitted to hospital, but no "word" yet on yes or no


Has anyone had any genuine cases at work yet?
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Post by: wilson79 on March 16, 2020, 10:30:04 AM
I cant get over the panic and chaos that is starting to be felt. Imagine if this virus was much more serious and was taking out more of the population other than the elderly and sick. The economic hurt that this is starting to cause will be felt for some time. this virus will hopefully past as quickly as it started. I understand the boarder closings but the talk of closing of businesses and schools just perplexes me. Sure if there is a positive case at a school there may be a closure to ensure the school is cleaned etc. I get that.

Maybe I am stupid , but I feel common-sense tells us that in this virus case, we need to look after the elderly and people whom are already sick. lets focus on these people and protect them and ensure they are safe. That way let the rest of the population continue on keeping our economy going and everyone employed. There are many small businesses that will never recover from this. I know of a small coffee shop that services a large cooperate building that have said if they close the building they well have to close the shop and will never reopen.

My parents are in late 60s and early 70s, we have had the conversation that maybe we should stop face to face contact in the short term to ensure their safety. If everyone uses a common-sense approach we will all be fine.
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Post by: plusnq on March 16, 2020, 10:33:16 AM
I cant get over the panic and chaos that is starting to be felt. Imagine if this virus was much more serious and was taking out more of the population other than the elderly and sick. The economic hurt that this is starting to cause will be felt for some time. this virus will hopefully past as quickly as it started. I understand the boarder closings but the talk of closing of businesses and schools just perplexes me. Sure if there is a positive case at a school there may be a closure to ensure the school is cleaned etc. I get that.

Maybe I am stupid , but I feel common-sense tells us that in this virus case, we need to look after the elderly and people whom are already sick. lets focus on these people and protect them and ensure they are safe. That way let the rest of the population continue on keeping our economy going and everyone employed. There are many small businesses that will never recover from this. I know of a small coffee shop that services a large cooperate building that have said if they close the building they well have to close the shop and will never reopen.

My parents are in late 60s and early 70s, we have had the conversation that maybe we should stop face to face contact in the short term to ensure their safety. If everyone uses a common-sense approach we will all be fine.


We will know in a few months if that idea works as it is very similar to the measures the UK have announced. The rest of the world is trying the isolation plan. Time will tell which was the better version.
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Post by: wakychapmans on March 16, 2020, 10:40:39 AM
I have a good friend that is (working) in the ER at Nepean hospital.

she has been told that the peak infection levels are expected in AUGUST...

just let that settle in... all the closures etc... until *at least* August...

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Post by: edz on March 16, 2020, 10:49:12 AM
We may have our first case..
Young chick in Sydney office VERY sick with flu type stuff.. been admitted to hospital, but no "word" yet on yes or no


Has anyone had any genuine cases at work yet?


We have a number of staff that have gone off sick in the past couple of days, others that have returned from OS travel that got Dr's clearances to return to work that have now gone off sick, a couple that also attended the Southern cross Uni up here that has a reported case, as yet nothing confirmed  ..
But dealing with many hundreds of visitors daily from all over the country / world, its only a matter of time till we  take a hit .
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Post by: Bird on March 16, 2020, 11:16:40 AM
Quote from: wilson79
we need to look after the elderly and people whom are already sick.

You''ve seen Italy's plan for <80's.... Still cant believe that.


edit: interesting thoughts from Bill Gates - from 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI)
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Post by: alnjan on March 16, 2020, 12:08:03 PM
Just wondering, after all the dick heads went spastic over toilet paper, when supply is going to return to 'normal' so the rest of us can buy our usual pack of toilet paper for the fortnight/month. 
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Post by: wakychapmans on March 16, 2020, 12:13:29 PM
Just wondering, after all the dick heads went spastic over toilet paper, when supply is going to return to 'normal' so the rest of us can buy our usual pack of toilet paper for the fortnight/month.

*** THIS ***

we're down to three rolls at home now and I'd like to do our usual purchase of a 10 pack... not a hope.

(I think there might be a 6 pack from our last remote trip, stashed in the back of the drawers in the cruiser though)

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Post by: alnjan on March 16, 2020, 12:44:48 PM
*** THIS ***

we're down to three rolls at home now and I'd like to do our usual purchase of a 10 pack... not a hope.

(I think there might be a 6 pack from our last remote trip, stashed in the back of the drawers in the cruiser though)

That's about it
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Post by: KeithB on March 16, 2020, 01:35:44 PM
I thought I'd make some sanitiser for a do we're having in two weeks time (if it goes ahead). You just need isopropyl alcohol and a bit of moisturiser.  Turns out that isopropyl alcohol cannot be had anywhere in Sydney and the chemists are sold out of rubbing alcohol, which is the same stuff.
Janitorial suppliers are all out and Sydney Solvents are all out in every size including 200 litre drums.
Looks like it's back to soap and water.
Keith
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Post by: edz on March 16, 2020, 01:48:01 PM
Maybe use / try Metho or Shellite instead of Isopropil Alcohol   Have to look up the properties of both to see if they are ok though ... Failing that its use Over Proof Vodka or Gin as the Alcohol mix  ;D ;D

WARNING : DO NOT USE NEAR NAKED FLAMES :
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Post by: tryagain on March 16, 2020, 02:10:22 PM
I thought I'd make some sanitiser

Had a similar thought early this week, the wife usually has some sanitiser for the kids (easier than trying to get them to wash their hands properly) but was out, so I started looking for suppliers, got through several pages of Google searches with no luck until I found a localish paint place with 5L containers still in stock. Went straight there to grab one, as I arrived there was a guy walking out with one, managed to grab one but they are all out now too.
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Post by: edz on March 16, 2020, 02:23:05 PM
Just wondering, after all the dick heads went spastic over toilet paper, when supply is going to return to 'normal' so the rest of us can buy our usual pack of toilet paper for the fortnight/month.


Might have to be prepaired to get ready to do a bit of this ..  https://www.survivopedia.com/diy-toilet-paper/ (https://www.survivopedia.com/diy-toilet-paper/)   :D
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Post by: KeithB on March 16, 2020, 03:22:10 PM
Here's a good rundown on the situation which is guaranteed to make you smile. Provided of course that you are not offended by rude words.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=626685584556823 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=626685584556823)
Keith
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Post by: Bird on March 16, 2020, 04:05:34 PM
RSL NSW cancels all Anzac Day services to curb spread of coronavirus   :'(

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6681277/anzac-day-services-cancelled/?cs=12 (https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6681277/anzac-day-services-cancelled/?cs=12)
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Post by: Fizzie on March 16, 2020, 04:22:34 PM

she has been told that the peak infection levels are expected in AUGUST...

just let that settle in... all the closures etc... until *at least* August...

We were having that conversation this morning.

Yes, the extras we've got are good for a few weeks, but 6 months ???

All bets are off over that long, & to be honest, I wouldn't be incredibly surprised to see some form of both martial law  :police: & rationing introduced :o
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Post by: edz on March 16, 2020, 04:23:04 PM
Pick a good camp spot and DIY  your own dawn service....   take a copy of the Ode and  this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk7bptmcevI&list=RDpk7bptmcevI&start_radio=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk7bptmcevI&list=RDpk7bptmcevI&start_radio=1) . :cheers:
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Post by: Fizzie on March 16, 2020, 04:23:21 PM
so the rest of us can buy our usual pack of toilet paper for the fortnight/month.

Try to get there first thing in the morning ???
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Post by: Fizzie on March 16, 2020, 04:24:26 PM
Looks like it's back to soap and water.

Have been reading quite a few comments that soap is just as, or possibly even more, effective than sanitiser!
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Post by: Fizzie on March 16, 2020, 04:26:29 PM
Pick a good camp spot and DIY  your own dawn service....   take a copy of the Ode and  this

But :police:, I had to have a rifle with me so I could fire a salute! :angel:
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Post by: edz on March 17, 2020, 06:56:51 AM
 We are being lied to about supply of goods / shortages etc ... Local Woolies manager, yes we are getting a normal restock delivery in late this afternoon and the shelves will be fully stocked by early AM in the morning ...
Great !! Wife has pension card and goes of to the store to take advantage of the early opening  pensioner hour to get some  needed items ...Bingo shelves just as empty as the days before ..
Some one is telling porky's ...
Manager say's they got their stock and restocked, Granted the wife wasnt first through the door but she wasnt far of it .. and still no stock .
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Post by: tryagain on March 17, 2020, 09:16:58 AM
We are being lied to about supply of goods / shortages etc ... Local

Normal restock only works when normal amounts of stock has been sold.
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Post by: rossm on March 17, 2020, 10:30:23 AM
Normal restock only works when normal amounts of stock has been sold.
The woollies chief said yesterday sales were bigger than Christmas.
Stores start  planning christmas deliveries months in advance.
You can’t quickly rearrange the orders, particularly when people cause  a run on things like toilet paper.
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Post by: Bird on March 17, 2020, 11:01:02 AM
Interesting read

https://www.stockandland.com.au/story/6680324/an-insiders-view-of-coronavirus-in-china/?cs=4786 (https://www.stockandland.com.au/story/6680324/an-insiders-view-of-coronavirus-in-china/?cs=4786)
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Post by: Fizzie on March 17, 2020, 11:28:06 AM
Normal restock only works when normal amounts of stock has been sold.

Coles is putting on 5000 staff to help with restocking - not too sure just how much they're going to have to do ???
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Post by: Bird on March 17, 2020, 12:02:58 PM
From the Dutch PM

Mark Rutte said a mass lockdown was not feasible and the country had opted for a plan that included "controlled distribution" of COVID-19

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/dutch-embrace-herd-immunity-as-dire-death-warning-prompts-uk-to-change-course-20200317-p54arv.html (https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/dutch-embrace-herd-immunity-as-dire-death-warning-prompts-uk-to-change-course-20200317-p54arv.html)
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Post by: plusnq on March 17, 2020, 12:10:04 PM
Yes. A bit like the UK idea. I'm not sure it's feasible given the long latency period before people show symptoms. We will see. It's all a  big experiment on all of us at the moment.
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Post by: rockrat on March 17, 2020, 12:13:18 PM
Coles is putting on 5000 staff to help with restocking - not too sure just how much they're going to have to do ???
Maybe Coles, Woolies and Aldi should just shut their doors for a few days to give them some time to restock and reassess their approach. Clearly they are trying but people have just gone crazy - I’m starting to see clearly why our politicians are so useless, they are voted in by the same people!

As for me, I might take my family out for dinner tonight and help support a small hospitality business somewhere.


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Post by: tryagain on March 17, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
From the Dutch PM

Mark Rutte said a mass lockdown was not feasible and the country had opted for a plan that included "controlled distribution" of COVID-19

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/dutch-embrace-herd-immunity-as-dire-death-warning-prompts-uk-to-change-course-20200317-p54arv.html (https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/dutch-embrace-herd-immunity-as-dire-death-warning-prompts-uk-to-change-course-20200317-p54arv.html)

People seem shocked at this, but this is what flattening the curve has been all about, vaccines are 18months+ away, if we lockdown for that long, we will probably still see a similar % spread, just slower and over a longer period with the added likelihood of a significant financial depression to go along with it. 60odd% of us are likely to get it either way, just because the outcome isn't a nice one, dosen't mean it's not the least worse one.
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Post by: Bird on March 17, 2020, 01:10:11 PM
Quote from: Fizzie
Coles is putting on 5000 staff to help with restocking - not too sure just how much they're going to have to do ???

that would be tripling the size of their workforce LMAO cant see that happening
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Post by: rockrat on March 17, 2020, 02:20:33 PM
that would be tripling the size of their workforce LMAO cant see that happening
Less than 5% increase. Coles employs over 100,000 people.


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Post by: tryagain on March 17, 2020, 02:40:59 PM
If the official results out of China are to be believed, it makes for somewhat promising news. They reported only 14 new cases which is pretty amazing, they have had some very severe lockdowns but it appears to be working fairly well.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 17, 2020, 02:51:07 PM
If the official results out of China are to be believed, it makes for somewhat promising news. They reported only 14 new cases which is pretty amazing, they have had some very severe lockdowns but it appears to be working fairly well.

I hope this is true...Pity their manipulation of the truth is worrying..
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Post by: Mace on March 17, 2020, 02:57:33 PM
If the official results out of China are to be believed, it makes for somewhat promising news. They reported only 14 new cases which is pretty amazing, they have had some very severe lockdowns but it appears to be working fairly well.

It seems from the data (if true)  that they have been succesfull.

On the other hand..... 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/coronavirus-uk-strategy-deaths

We have gone to a 50/50 work at work/work from home arrangement with a two week roll over with your "alternalte" staff member.

My first fortnight is in the office..... 

As our campuses are pretty empty, use of external contractors for maintenance and project work will continue as long as we can.  Socially isolating is relatively easy.

 :cheers:


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 17, 2020, 04:44:44 PM
The whole business landscape will be different after all this finishes.
1000's of business will close not to reopen.

Travel industry will be ****ed, airlines, travel agents, hotels, bus tour companies, etc..

The flow on effect will be huge...  Im more concerned about the many small businesses that wont survive - 1000's of them... like lunch shops, clothing stores/chains, you name it... suppliers to those shops will also disappear.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on March 17, 2020, 04:52:17 PM
The whole business landscape will be different after all this finishes.
1000's of business will close not to reopen.

Travel industry will be ****ed, airlines, travel agents, hotels, bus tour companies, etc..

The flow on effect will be huge...  Im more concerned about the many small businesses that wont survive - 1000's of them... like lunch shops, clothing stores/chains, you name it... suppliers to those shops will also disappear.

I agree. There won’t be money to spend for a while either if it last 18 months as they are saying.  Business landscape will look more like the seventies than anything more recent I feel.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: CTL on March 17, 2020, 04:52:34 PM
The whole business landscape will be different after all this finishes.
1000's of business will close not to reopen.

Travel industry will be ****ed, airlines, travel agents, hotels, bus tour companies, etc..

The flow on effect will be huge...  Im more concerned about the many small businesses that wont survive - 1000's of them... like lunch shops, clothing stores/chains, you name it... suppliers to those shops will also disappear.

Nah, bit of an exaggeration I think.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 17, 2020, 05:14:51 PM
The whole business landscape will be different after all this finishes.

Wonder if this may be the catalyst that sees companies decentralize, and maybe instead of one big corporate "one stop shop" head office they become smaller offices of specialist teams spread around. And maybe the next couple of months of online working from home might make some companies wake up and realize that you don't all need to be in one building, or even all in the same city?

Obviously not viable for all, but whats the difference between emailing/phoning someone on the next floor V's them being in the next state? I know in the building I work in there are around 500 people, I wouldn't have the foggiest who most of them are or what they do, but we all travel from all over Brisbane to be in the same building. There is one person who I have been corresponding with for several months on and off, yet we only realized a couple of weeks ago that we work on the same bloody floor?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on March 17, 2020, 05:53:09 PM
Channel 7 had an "expert" on just now.

Asks him how do you catch it?
Him.  Just like any other virus, sneezing etc...

Me thinks.  HIV is a virus.  I'm going to get AIDS through sneezing!!!!


HIM. Good hygiene, wash hands....

Me thinks.  So if I wash my hands I can't get AIDS?


FFS get an "expert" who makes it straight forward for the numpties


 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on March 17, 2020, 06:30:07 PM
News article said today most airlines are Close to, if not already in, bankruptcy

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 17, 2020, 06:49:27 PM
News article said today most airlines are Close to, if not already in, bankruptcy

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And the last 25 years of my tax dollars say there is going to be one happy little Irishman and one pissed off creepy Englishman pretty soon....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on March 17, 2020, 06:57:27 PM
One thing to consider if you're working from home for a long period of time is make sure you go for a daily walk of at least an hour to get your vitamin D, and ensure you drink at least 2L of water a day. It is easy to just stay inside all day working from home, however you're typically more active at work and you need to maintain that balance.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 17, 2020, 07:07:41 PM
So the Americans have just done the first human trials on the vaccine..... hmmm....
It was all a hoax 3 days ago and then today, oh look we have this vaccine here, anyone want to buy some??

Perhaps the official Chinese statements on the virus origins where on to something.... ;)















I’ll get back in my box now.... ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 17, 2020, 07:14:39 PM
So the Americans have just done the first human trials on the vaccine..... hmmm....
It was all a hoax 3 days ago and then today, oh look we have this vaccine here, anyone want to buy some??

From what I have read, making a vaccine is actually pretty easy (for those that do it), the process to make sure it is safe an effective is what takes the time, and there is no real short cuts too it.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on March 17, 2020, 08:01:54 PM
A HIV drug and Malaria drug are working in test tubes.
So they will trial them soon. 
If that works then it will be full steam ahead as they are already tested and approved. Still months away though.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 18, 2020, 09:04:47 AM
Quote from: Spada
And maybe the next couple of months of online working from home might make some companies wake up and realize that you don't all need to be in one building, or even all in the same city?
... beat me to it. Another nail in the local airlines.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on March 18, 2020, 09:28:28 AM
Now that USA has the Covid-19 virus in its country, the Mexicans are pleading with Donald Trump to hurry up and finish building the Wall.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 18, 2020, 09:48:22 AM
PM talking this morning about new wave of restrictions being made likely to be inplace for atleast 6 months .. Gatherings  limited to 100 people  inside buildings unless its for visiting essential  places and  500 outdoors .. 
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/live-coverage-cinemas-pubs-face-100person-limit-under-corona-crackdown/live-coverage/705b48cadb35364c40449aa736b79daa (https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/live-coverage-cinemas-pubs-face-100person-limit-under-corona-crackdown/live-coverage/705b48cadb35364c40449aa736b79daa)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 18, 2020, 10:28:25 AM
I didnt realise that Australia had so many experts on the virus....regardless of their knowledge on the subject!!!!


Between the media, the govt, the "experts" and social media its no wonder people are carrying on as though the sky is falling!!!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on March 18, 2020, 11:20:38 AM


https://www.tentworld.com.au/buy-sale/scottys-750-pandemic-couples-recovery-kits?fbclid=IwAR2Uf7CDvmJaoMyeYgvbecCWC9A1_ZHg3Cwypjw99zUTn23_Bj4DIeDOXeY

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 18, 2020, 12:04:23 PM
Love it ..Well done Tent world for being Proactive  ....  :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 18, 2020, 12:13:59 PM
Aussie post has Implemented the following limitations on its delivery staff.

No overtime permitted (most posties average 1 to 2 hours a day to meet service standards).
Part time employees not permitted to work additional hours
Casual staff being stopped/dramatically reduced.this is to reduce wage costs in preparation for services potentially being reduced to almost zero due to the restricted movement of product

There's a crap load of mail not being delivered now.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 18, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: Spada
There's a crap load of mail not being delivered now.
so no changes for aussie post. :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 18, 2020, 12:41:06 PM
Aussie post has Implemented the following limitations on its delivery staff.

Online purchasing is only going to increase, the government have come out today and say there is no plan to do a full shutdown any time soon.

Australia Post then decides to cut back and let a backlog build up because they might not be able to do deliveries in the future? Makes perfect sense to me 🙄
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 18, 2020, 12:54:24 PM
Online purchasing is only going to increase, the government have come out today and say there is no plan to do a full shutdown any time soon.

Australia Post then decides to cut back and let a backlog build up because they might not be able to do deliveries in the future? Makes perfect sense to me 🙄

There's been limited product coming out of China for over a month (that's where a lot of your ebay stuff originates). A lot of the letters posted for interstate (and even intrastate) are transported as cargo on domestic flights (by Qantas), so a 60% cut to domestic flights means significant disruption to the movement of product domestically. There may not be capacity in the road fleet to compensate (cant just conjour up trucks and drivers, and all the subbies are flat out carting toilet paper)

Quote
so no changes for aussie post. :D

I get what you're saying Bird, but we're not really that bad are we ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Beachman on March 18, 2020, 01:02:38 PM
One thing to consider if you're working from home for a long period of time is make sure you go for a daily walk of at least an hour to get your vitamin D, and ensure you drink at least 2L of water a day. It is easy to just stay inside all day working from home, however you're typically more active at work and you need to maintain that balance.

I've been 'working from home' for the last 3 days and it's not overly busy, so while my Wife isn't happy I'm home to see how many 'Coffee catch ups' she has with other Mum's, she is happy that I'm doing all those small jobs around the house that I've been putting off for months.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 18, 2020, 01:34:46 PM
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on March 18, 2020, 01:37:34 PM
Aussie post has Implemented the following limitations on its delivery staff.

No overtime permitted (most posties average 1 to 2 hours a day to meet service standards).
Part time employees not permitted to work additional hours
Casual staff being stopped/dramatically reduced.this is to reduce wage costs in preparation for services potentially being reduced to almost zero due to the restricted movement of product

There's a crap load of mail not being delivered now.

I'm struggling with all of this. Coles cancels home deliveries and shortens hours the shops open, Aus Post effectively reducing hours so slowing deliveries. It seems like they are forcing people to go out to the shops and creating potential crowds by lessening opening hours. I thought we were trying to minimise contact  ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 18, 2020, 05:01:05 PM


There's a crap load of mail not being delivered now.

When was the last time they delivered much anyway ?  The only things I get are bills that haven't been transferred to emails yet.
E bay deliveries are generally by third party companies....and to be fair, are no quicker than aus post snail trail !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: McGirr on March 18, 2020, 06:35:25 PM
Unfortunately it's not the virus that's doing the damage but social media is in a frenzy. People believe everything they read.

This is more damaging than the virus itself. It really shows how stupid our society has become.

Mark

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 18, 2020, 06:44:22 PM


Unfortunately it's not the virus that's doing the damage but social media is in a frenzy. People believe everything they read.

This is more damaging than the virus itself. It really shows how stupid our society has become.

Mark

Stupidly is spreading faster than the virus :(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bad Scott on March 18, 2020, 07:05:49 PM

Stupidly is spreading faster than the virus :(
But makes for some great meme's

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on March 18, 2020, 07:21:43 PM
Comparing the virus's toll with other causes of death from NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/16/upshot/coronavirus-best-worst-death-toll-scenario.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
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Post by: Fox67 on March 18, 2020, 08:13:11 PM
We should implement a two week lockdown on all forms of media.

If this happened 10 to 15 years ago would we have just thought we had a bad flu season??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 18, 2020, 09:39:05 PM
Comparing the virus's toll with other causes of death from NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/16/upshot/coronavirus-best-worst-death-toll-scenario.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
That’s pretty sobering stuff.

4% infection rate and 0.5% fatality rate still kills more Americans then the flu.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 19, 2020, 09:21:08 AM
No one going to Tassie


https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-australia-tasmania-shuts-down-c-752281?fbclid=IwAR2ok766S8LauwRN3DVajhJ5lnvD2VxAez6QB898fFPU2CPYhTXw8U2QqZE (https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-australia-tasmania-shuts-down-c-752281?fbclid=IwAR2ok766S8LauwRN3DVajhJ5lnvD2VxAez6QB898fFPU2CPYhTXw8U2QqZE)

The Tasmanian government has declared a state of emergency and placed tough new restrictions on mainland Australians seeking entry.

Introducing the toughest border control measures in the country, Premier Peter Gutwein announced on Thursday that anyone seeking entry to Tasmania from anywhere else in Australia from midnight Friday would now be required to self-isolate for 14 days.

“Only essential travellers will be allowed into Tasmania without going into quarantine,” he said.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 19, 2020, 09:24:59 AM
No one going to Tassie

BiL is already booked to go in August :'(

Wonder what happens there ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 19, 2020, 09:25:54 AM
Quote from: Fizzie
BiL is already booked to go in August :'(

Wonder what happens there ???
same with all booked and paid travel - refundable tickets or not... Lots of questions all around.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 19, 2020, 09:36:29 AM
same with all booked and paid travel - refundable tickets or not... Lots of questions all around.

Probably not refundable but will get a credit, which is only worth something if where they booked through doesn't go bust.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 19, 2020, 09:40:58 AM
Probably not refundable but will get a credit, which is only worth something if where they booked through doesn't go bust.

You'd have to think that Spirit of Tas is fairly safe, I hope ::)

Just thinking about it - would travelling around in your own van count as "self isolation" ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 19, 2020, 09:55:47 AM
You'd have to think that Spirit of Tas is fairly safe, I hope ::)

Safe as in its an essential service and the Government will make sure the service is still available, definitely. Safe as in the Gov would step in to bail out the business that currently running it and take on all their existing liabilities, still likely but far from certain.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 19, 2020, 10:05:54 AM
Probably not refundable

Just spoke to him & he said that they were already thinking of cancelling, but that the ship will only refund 75% (of almost $2k :'(), & that's still 6 months out! >:(

They're waiting to see what happens now ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on March 19, 2020, 10:06:25 AM
From the WHO as at the 28th February

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Post by: Bigfish on March 19, 2020, 10:09:15 AM
No one going to Tassie


https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-australia-tasmania-shuts-down-c-752281?fbclid=IwAR2ok766S8LauwRN3DVajhJ5lnvD2VxAez6QB898fFPU2CPYhTXw8U2QqZE (https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-australia-tasmania-shuts-down-c-752281?fbclid=IwAR2ok766S8LauwRN3DVajhJ5lnvD2VxAez6QB898fFPU2CPYhTXw8U2QqZE)

The Tasmanian government has declared a state of emergency and placed tough new restrictions on mainland Australians seeking entry.

Introducing the toughest border control measures in the country, Premier Peter Gutwein announced on Thursday that anyone seeking entry to Tasmania from anywhere else in Australia from midnight Friday would now be required to self-isolate for 14 days.

“Only essential travellers will be allowed into Tasmania without going into quarantine,” he said.



Lets hope its a 2 way street.  Same rules apply when a Tasmanian wants to visit the mainland. They have the virus already...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 19, 2020, 10:18:10 AM
Just spoke to him & he said that they were already thinking of cancelling, but that the ship will only refund 75% (of almost $2k :'(), & that's still 6 months out! >:(

They're waiting to see what happens now ???
I'd say cancelling now isnt the way to go... who knows what will happen by then - they rules may change and these companies may have no option but to refund properly..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 19, 2020, 10:24:16 AM
I'd say cancelling now isnt the way to go... who knows what will happen by then - they rules may change and these companies may have no option but to refund properly..

Just heard back from him ...

They've just checked the website & now offering full refund on cancellations regardless of travel dates :cup:, so they're cancelling today.
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Post by: rossm on March 19, 2020, 11:59:49 AM
Probably not refundable but will get a credit, which is only worth something if where they booked through doesn't go bust.

Was going to Tassie in a couple of weeks.

Spirit of Tasmania is refunding fares. Can be done on line.

Bit disappointed but can understand their thinking. Aboriginal communities can restrict outsiders, Tasmania can, the rest of the country no chance.   
 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 19, 2020, 12:06:19 PM
Quote from: rossm
the rest of the country no chance.
other countries have... why cant we?
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Post by: tombie on March 19, 2020, 12:09:33 PM
Close all internal borders is easily done if the wanted to.


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Post by: Mace on March 19, 2020, 12:11:21 PM


Just thinking about it - would travelling around in your own van count as "self isolation" ???

No. 

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on March 19, 2020, 12:14:27 PM

Lets hope its a 2 way street.  Same rules apply when a Tasmanian wants to visit the mainland. They have the virus already...

Until now, All bar one of the 10 cases was via an overseas arrival.  The one was in  close contact with one of the overseas arrivals....

Im quite happy to quarantine if I ever want to go over to the big island, but as a 60 something male with a couple of chronic issues why would I want to endanger my health....
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Post by: alnjan on March 19, 2020, 12:26:09 PM

Just thinking about it - would travelling around in your own van count as "self isolation" ???

Mate who managers a caravan park said they are having inquiries from the Grey Nomads etc for a two week stay in vans or cabins etc.  Said they basically not taking any tourist longer then a week.  Also said the local showgrounds are closing or not accepting any campers.   The caravan parks are saying two weeks camping at a caravan park is not 'self isolation'.   
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Post by: Rodt on March 19, 2020, 12:42:10 PM
Talking to a real estate agent this morning and he said that they have cancelled all open houses on Saturday. Still doing private inspections though
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 19, 2020, 12:46:42 PM
Until now, All bar one of the 10 cases was via an overseas arrival.  The one was in  close contact with one of the overseas arrivals....

Im quite happy to quarantine if I ever want to go over to the big island, but as a 60 something male with a couple of chronic issues why would I want to endanger my health....

Thats exactly how the mainland got it as well...overseas travellers..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: k100dennis on March 19, 2020, 12:57:23 PM
Think of the positives - when did anyone last mention climate change ?  So now that heaps of planes are on the ground we should see the climate issues all fixed, along with the problem of over-population of the earth.  We'll see how long it takes all those tossers to come out with their theories.  Come to think of it, stupidity is spreading faster than the virus and there seems to be no vaccine for that either. Tasmania, an island off an island, . . . not a bad place to be I reckon.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bad Scott on March 19, 2020, 01:00:10 PM
Close all internal borders is easily done if the wanted to.


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I say no to closing the internal borders. I wanna get back home first

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 19, 2020, 01:13:25 PM
Think of the positives - when did anyone last mention climate change ?  So now that heaps of planes are on the ground we should see the climate issues all fixed, along with the problem of over-population of the earth.  We'll see how long it takes all those tossers to come out with their theories.  Come to think of it, stupidity is spreading faster than the virus and there seems to be no vaccine for that either. Tasmania, an island off an island, . . . not a bad place to be I reckon.

Still been talk about that and the theories, positive and negative about CV.   
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Post by: Bird on March 19, 2020, 01:47:45 PM
Think of the positives - when did anyone last mention climate change ?  So now that heaps of planes are on the ground we should see the climate issues all fixed, along with the problem of over-population of the earth.  We'll see how long it takes all those tossers to come out with their theories.  Come to think of it, stupidity is spreading faster than the virus and there seems to be no vaccine for that either. Tasmania, an island off an island, . . . not a bad place to be I reckon.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 19, 2020, 02:16:29 PM
Mate who managers a caravan park said they are having inquiries from the Grey Nomads etc for a two week stay in vans or cabins etc.  Said they basically not taking any tourist longer then a week.  Also said the local showgrounds are closing or not accepting any campers.   The caravan parks are saying two weeks camping at a caravan park is not 'self isolation'.

Wonder how said Nomads are getting on then ???
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Post by: austastar on March 19, 2020, 02:39:40 PM
Hi,
    Just came back from a lunch with some uni retirees.
Not much traffic.
Plenty of parking every where.
Shiploads have a front window full of toilet rolls.
Dining room at the pub was all ours.
Fish and chips with salad, coffee and ice cream for $15:, now what is the problem?
Cheers


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 19, 2020, 04:07:52 PM
Some smaller communities  shops  are now limiting food supplies to locals only ..starting to pop up on fececrap, atleast this one says your welcome to buy a sandwich or some grog . .. Good luck to travelers / outsiders wanting suplies just keep on trucking .

On a more worrying note we have a confirmed hit less than 5 km from us here, So I guess the waiting game begins to see how quick it spreads around our local community  ..
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Post by: rossm on March 19, 2020, 04:36:42 PM
Hi,
    Just came back from a lunch with some uni retirees.
Not much traffic.
Plenty of parking every where.
Shiploads have a front window full of toilet rolls.
Dining room at the pub was all ours.
Fish and chips with salad, coffee and ice cream for $15:, now what is the problem?
Cheers


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Could have been me in Hobart in three weeks ... but I can understand the Tasmania travel restrictions, partly because the numbers would be small and its easier to enforce and control entry points.

Trying to stop cross border traffic in eastern australia would be impossible and probably do even more damage to the already struggling economy.   

But I did have a pub lunch with a former colleague  yesterday and would encourage people to do the same. Tourism and hospitality businesses are facing a grim time.

And don't think isolation in WA's deserts is the answer. No permits are being issued for the CSR or the roads and tracks leading to it and permits already issued are cancelled.

Travel safe people. 

 
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Post by: Fizzie on March 19, 2020, 04:47:19 PM
On a more worrying note we have a confirmed hit less than 5 km from us here, So I guess the waiting game begins to see how quick it spreads around our local community  ..

Yeah, we've had several cases, but there was only 1, the lady at the beauty salon, that they've said where.

Bit hard to know if you've possibly been in contact with a carrier if you don't know where the carrier has been ::)

Oh wait, there was a second at SCU, but the others ... ???
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Post by: CTL on March 19, 2020, 06:17:23 PM
And don't think isolation in WA's deserts is the answer. No permits are being issued for the CSR or the roads and tracks leading to it and permits already issued are cancelled.

100% support from me on this initiative.  Protecting the most vulnerable in our community wins every time over some tourists sucking their communities dry of diesel, and buying a few icecreams as token gestures of supporting the locals, then going out and littering their country with toilet paper and beer cans.
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Post by: plusnq on March 19, 2020, 07:12:31 PM
Yeah, we've had several cases, but there was only 1, the lady at the beauty salon, that they've said where.

Bit hard to know if you've possibly been in contact with a carrier if you don't know where the carrier has been ::)

Oh wait, there was a second at SCU, but the others ... ???

There is community transmission on the GC now. Announced today.
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Post by: Raym on March 19, 2020, 07:49:51 PM
Stolen from a friends Facebook post.

I haven't googled the info to confirm or otherwise.

 "HOORAY!! Spread this around!!
🙌🙌 How about some good news? 🙌🙌

🔸?China has closed down its last coronavirus hospital. Not enough new cases to support them.

🔹? Doctors in India have been successful in treating Coronavirus. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine. They are going to suggest same medicine, globally.

🔸??Researchers of the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody against coronavirus.

🔹?A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19 after being treated for 6 days in Wuhan, China.

🔸??Apple reopens all 42 china stores,

🔹?Cleveland Clinic developed a COVID-19 test that gives results in hours, not days.

🔸?Good news from South Korea, where the number of new cases is declining.

🔹?Italy is hit hard, experts say, only because they have the oldest population in Europe.

🔸?Scientists in Israel likely to announce the development of a coronavirus vaccine.

🔹?3 Maryland coronavirus patients fully recovered; able to return to everyday life.

🔸?A network of Canadian scientists are making excellent progress in Covid-19 research.

🔹?A San Diego biotech company is developing a Covid-19 vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore.

🔸?Tulsa County's first positive COVID-19 case has recovered. This individual has had two negative tests, which is the indicator of recovery.

🔹?All 7 patients who were getting treated for at Safdarjung hospital in New Delhi have recovered.

🔸?Plasma from newly recovered patients from Covid -19 can treat others infected by Covid-19.

💥So it's not ALL bad news friends. Let's care for each other and stay focused on safety of those most vunerable while continuing to make the best of our days. This too shall pass! I challenge you to spread the good news! We need to have faith, hope and our economy back.

**If you google the above statements, they prove to be true**"
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Post by: JusyApples on March 19, 2020, 08:01:01 PM
Not sure I believe anything that comes out of China.


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Post by: Champin on March 19, 2020, 09:19:50 PM
If that is true, I  wonder how long it would take to use up 3000 rolls of toilet paper. It's not like you can chuck em in the top cupboard.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 20, 2020, 06:25:23 AM
Stolen from a friends Facebook post.

I haven't googled the info to confirm or otherwise.

 "HOORAY!! Spread this around!!
🙌🙌 How about some good news? 🙌🙌

🔸?China has closed down its last coronavirus hospital. Not enough new cases to support them.

🔹? Doctors in India have been successful in treating Coronavirus. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine. They are going to suggest same medicine, globally.

🔸??Researchers of the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody against coronavirus.

🔹?A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19 after being treated for 6 days in Wuhan, China.

🔸??Apple reopens all 42 china stores,

🔹?Cleveland Clinic developed a COVID-19 test that gives results in hours, not days.

🔸?Good news from South Korea, where the number of new cases is declining.

🔹?Italy is hit hard, experts say, only because they have the oldest population in Europe.

🔸?Scientists in Israel likely to announce the development of a coronavirus vaccine.

🔹?3 Maryland coronavirus patients fully recovered; able to return to everyday life.

🔸?A network of Canadian scientists are making excellent progress in Covid-19 research.

🔹?A San Diego biotech company is developing a Covid-19 vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore.

🔸?Tulsa County's first positive COVID-19 case has recovered. This individual has had two negative tests, which is the indicator of recovery.

🔹?All 7 patients who were getting treated for at Safdarjung hospital in New Delhi have recovered.

🔸?Plasma from newly recovered patients from Covid -19 can treat others infected by Covid-19.

💥So it's not ALL bad news friends. Let's care for each other and stay focused on safety of those most vunerable while continuing to make the best of our days. This too shall pass! I challenge you to spread the good news! We need to have faith, hope and our economy back.

**If you google the above statements, they prove to be true**"


Our  Sensationalist  media  hounds seem to have missed this memo in the  rabid reporting frenzy ...
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Post by: plusnq on March 20, 2020, 06:35:36 AM
That is what is being reported edz. Personally I am going to be cautious and quietly hopeful. I want to see what happens in China once the populace gets back to work.
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Post by: Pete79 on March 20, 2020, 07:17:38 AM
That is what is being reported edz. Personally I am going to be cautious and quietly hopeful. I want to see what happens in China once the populace gets back to work.
Seems as though the coronavirus has disappeared from China overnight much they same way as dissidents seem to disappear from China overnight all the time.... Amazing isn’t it.... ;)

As far as China getting back to work goes, our company has a factory over there which until Wednesday this week was unaffected by the shutdowns.
Then we received notification that there is now a 3 month delay on all products.

As usual, what China wants you to know and what’s actually happening are 2 very different things.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 20, 2020, 07:37:49 AM
Seems as though the coronavirus has disappeared from China overnight much they same way as dissidents seem to disappear from China overnight all the time.... Amazing isn’t it.... ;)

As far as China getting back to work goes, our company has a factory over there which until Wednesday this week was unaffected by the shutdowns.
Then we received notification that there is now a 3 month delay on all products.

As usual, what China wants you to know and what’s actually happening are 2 very different things.

Agree..China will look after china and no one else. It tells the world what the world wants to hear...not what is actually happening.
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Post by: tryagain on March 20, 2020, 08:14:54 AM
As usual, what China wants you to know and what’s actually happening are 2 very different things.

Yep, China has just turfed out the journalist's from 3 US News outlets (in supposed retaliation). I am treating any figures coming out of there with a healthy dose of suspicion.

We are in for a very bumpy ride ahead, but life will go on afterwards.
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Post by: Beachman on March 20, 2020, 08:25:14 AM
Agree..China will look after china and no one else. It tells the world what the world wants to hear...not what is actually happening.

A Stockbroker mate was saying while a lot of people are panic selling shares, someone (Maybe China) has been spending Billions buying shares worldwide. 
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Post by: rossm on March 20, 2020, 08:32:30 AM
A Stockbroker mate was saying while a lot of people are panic selling shares, someone (Maybe China) has been spending Billions buying shares worldwide.

For every seller there is a buyer. There will be  canny well-resourced investors able to to take a long term view picking up shares in good companies at a good discount.

Sadly I am neither canny nor well resourced.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 20, 2020, 09:25:09 AM
This is affecting everyone - so I suggest we need to support everyone equally :D

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/sex-workers-facing-economic-hit-amid-coronavirus-fears (https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/sex-workers-facing-economic-hit-amid-coronavirus-fears)

Many industries are facing a sharp downturn amid coronavirus fears, and sex workers are among those hit. Many fear they won’t be able to supplement their lost income and may be pushed into riskier option

Riskier options ???
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Post by: Fizzie on March 20, 2020, 09:34:30 AM
Agree..China will look after china and no one else. It tells the world what the world wants to hear...not what is actually happening.

Ever since this all started, I've been wondering the same about Russia, as there's been hardly the mention of it ???

It strikes me as a bit strange that the bug wouldn't also hit them ???
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Post by: Bird on March 20, 2020, 09:39:26 AM
how fast it spreads

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6688430/confirmed-coronavirus-cases-from-stanwell-tops-wedding-hits-31/?cs=12 (https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6688430/confirmed-coronavirus-cases-from-stanwell-tops-wedding-hits-31/?cs=12)


More than two dozen NSW residents who attended a wedding at a Stanwell Tops venue earlier this month have tested positive to COVID-19, NSW Health has confirmed.

Earlier this week, there were six confirmed cases of coronavirus among guests who attended the wedding at Tumbling Waters Retreat on March 6.

That number has since risen to 31, with a further four people who were close contacts of the wedding guests also diagnosed with COVID-19.
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Post by: wakychapmans on March 20, 2020, 09:58:10 AM
Ever since this all started, I've been wondering the same about Russia, as there's been hardly the mention of it ???

It strikes me as a bit strange that the bug wouldn't also hit them ???

I was wondering the same thing about India and Bangladesh (high number of closely packed populations, with very low medical support per head of population)

and Africa, Egypt, South America...

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rossm on March 20, 2020, 10:19:46 AM
I was wondering the same thing about India and Bangladesh (high number of closely packed populations, with very low medical support per head of population)

and Africa, Egypt, South America...
A friend with a contact in an aid group in Tanzania told me yesterday there had been no reported cases there but highlighted to poor access to limited health resources in that country. 

As is usually the  case third world countries will most likely pay a higher price.
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Post by: Pete79 on March 20, 2020, 10:27:06 AM
I was wondering the same thing about India and Bangladesh (high number of closely packed populations, with very low medical support per head of population)

and Africa, Egypt, South America...
There was an Aussie guy in India talking to Triple J yesterday afternoon, he made some very interesting comments about the way India has handled the current situation.
Basically while Scotty from Marketing has been having work-shopping meetings and planning strategic roll out of the advertising campaign, the Indian government has been getting on with it.

The measures announced for Australia yesterday have mostly been in place in India for almost 2 weeks now.
While ScoMo was saying we should all go to the footy and rub shoulders with infected people, the Indian government had already cancelled all sports and major events.
We're about 2 weeks behind most of those developing countries.

But I'm sure we're going to have a kick-ass tax payer funded advertising campaign all over the Australian media any day now..... ::)
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Post by: Mace on March 20, 2020, 11:09:31 AM
Lets hope we dont get to see images like this in Oz.

Army convoy moving the dead, Bergamo, ITALY.

(https://i.ibb.co/6thPLBc/Bergamo-X-1.jpg)

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Post by: Bird on March 20, 2020, 11:43:00 AM
was there any option?

Quote
NAB announces mortgage relief

National Australia Bank has announced it may allow mortgage customers that were in difficulty because of the coronavirus crisis to "pause" their mortgage repayments for up to six months.

As part of the plan, customers will face a "checkpoint" at three months


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETg1bh4U8AA4mX3?format=jpg&name=large).
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Post by: Fizzie on March 20, 2020, 12:03:51 PM
and Africa,

Was reading an article earlier (which I can't find now! :-[) that said that it has spread from ~6 African countries to ~34 of them in a matter of days :o

This won't be good :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 20, 2020, 12:08:34 PM
This sort of stuff  won't help https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/17/china-threatens-emp-attack-south-china-sea/ (https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/17/china-threatens-emp-attack-south-china-sea/)  ..
Red dawn or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu0mNFyzeHs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu0mNFyzeHs) anyone .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 20, 2020, 12:18:56 PM
It will affect the richer countries first, as they have more people who travel, it will then affect the poorer worse, as they are less able to deal with it.  :'(
In reality, we have only had a handful of deaths here so far, the biggest issues have been the hysteria from a populace who aren't used to dealing with adversity. Places in the third world are far more used to things like food shortages and hard times in general.
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Post by: Bird on March 20, 2020, 03:18:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK0dBMvqLhc&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK0dBMvqLhc&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Spada on March 20, 2020, 04:39:54 PM
It will affect the richer countries first, as they have more people who travel, it will then affect the poorer worse, as they are less able to deal with it.  :'(
In reality, we have only had a handful of deaths here so far, the biggest issues have been the hysteria from a populace who aren't used to dealing with adversity. Places in the third world are far more used to things like food shortages and hard times in general.

Agreed, the farmers and rural communities but be shaking their heads in utter disbelief at crazy s#1t going on in the supermarkets. Most of our rural cousins are pretty used to being isolated for a good stretch, but apparently you need a pallet of poo tickets to survive a weekend at home in the city  ??? Farmers must be wondering why they bother feeding us?
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Post by: rockrat on March 20, 2020, 05:33:05 PM
It’s going to be interesting to see how the government’s rental relief scheme is going to work. Lots of mum and dad investors have rental properties and may not be able to afford not having the rent coming in. Sure the banks will postpone repayments but the interest is still being charged and if tenants can’t pay up at some point, who is going to lose out - definitely won’t be the banks!


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Post by: xcvator on March 20, 2020, 06:24:31 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Gloria-Leung-ta-Lucky-Destiny-Exports-105911344361978/?__tn__=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARBEbpIsFncb9BD2OYAW0CrSPLNEaIeMP8YiKYV5m4tj3rnLVsfIYhfwpR5hgYrRVm3DdyaYnQNUdEql (https://www.facebook.com/Gloria-Leung-ta-Lucky-Destiny-Exports-105911344361978/?__tn__=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARBEbpIsFncb9BD2OYAW0CrSPLNEaIeMP8YiKYV5m4tj3rnLVsfIYhfwpR5hgYrRVm3DdyaYnQNUdEql)
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Post by: McGirr on March 20, 2020, 06:38:02 PM
I would honestly hate to be a PM or Premier in this current crisis, the pressure to get everything right to control the spread is near impossible.

My sister just flew in from overseas and all. She was told to self isolate for 14 days. She advised Singapore was doing temperature checks when transitting through there.

Mark
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Post by: Bigfish on March 20, 2020, 06:59:27 PM
I would honestly hate to be a PM or Premier in this current crisis, the pressure to get everything right to control the spread is near impossible.

My sister just flew in from overseas and all. She was told to self isolate for 14 days. She advised Singapore was doing temperature checks when transitting through there.

Mark

I do not understand why we are not doing temperature checks.  We should also be allowed to get some of our super out to help with living now!!!  No good losing your house when your in your 40,s with 2 decades at least to go being homeless and on the street..
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Post by: rockrat on March 20, 2020, 07:25:15 PM
I do not understand why we are not doing temperature checks.  We should also be allowed to get some of our super out to help with living now!!!  No good losing your house when your in your 40,s with 2 decades at least to go being homeless and on the street..
I believe you can already get limited access to your super in times of hardship, for example to pay the interest on your mortgage.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 20, 2020, 07:30:42 PM
I believe you can already get limited access to your super in times of hardship, for example to pay the interest on your mortgage.

Havent heard of it...any links?  Would be a game changer for many people..
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Post by: rockrat on March 20, 2020, 07:39:27 PM
Havent heard of it...any links?  Would be a game changer for many people..
Try this:
https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Super/Withdrawing-and-using-your-super/Early-access-to-your-super/
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Post by: gronk on March 20, 2020, 09:02:06 PM
  We should also be allowed to get some of our super out to help with living now!!! 

Hardship clause has always been there.
To make it easier to access super  ( this case is an exemption ) would let too many people waste their super, which in turn would put more people on the pension in later life, which puts more pressure on a govt to make it harder to get on the pension....like increase the pension age !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 20, 2020, 09:35:41 PM
Agreed, the farmers and rural communities but be shaking their heads in utter disbelief at crazy s#1t going on in the supermarkets. Most of our rural cousins are pretty used to being isolated for a good stretch, but apparently you need a pallet of poo tickets to survive a weekend at home in the city  ??? Farmers must be wondering why they bother feeding us?
Been watching the reports about the recent rains in western NSW and the farmers finally having something to smile about.

They spoke to one lady the other morning who was kicking herself for not getting into the panic buying thing sooner.
Apparently she popped down to the shops to do a normal top up of bog roll only to find the Bush was suffering from the same stupidity as the city. :(
I gathered it was something like a couple of hundred km trip for her to find some for the family.
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Post by: Bigpickle on March 20, 2020, 09:57:25 PM
I reckon that, within the next 3 months, we'll see lotsa boats, campers, caravans and 4x4's on Gumtree and Facebook, for sale.

Could pick up a real bargain.
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Post by: Raym on March 21, 2020, 12:08:38 PM
The separation thing is a bit of a joke all seems a bit half baked.

Just drove past Bunnings, car park is packed. Went to a butchers to grab something for tea & the lemmings are packed in there like sardines trying to get to the counter to get stuff. Was able to grab what I wanted from the display case & bolt.

This butcher normally trades Sundays but had signs up saying not enough stock to open tomorrow.

Just saw a headline that the beaches are packed. Not sure where they were referring to.
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Post by: Bird on March 21, 2020, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: Bigpickle
I reckon that, within the next 3 months, we'll see lotsa boats, campers, caravans and 4x4's on Gumtree and Facebook, for sale.

Could pick up a real bargain.
agree. all sorts of toys will be just about given away
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 21, 2020, 12:10:19 PM
The separation thing is a bit of a joke all seems a bit half baked.

Just drove past Bunnings, car park is packed. Went to a butchers to grab something for tea & the lemmings are packed in there like sardines trying to get to the counter to get stuff. Was able to grab what I wanted from the display case & bolt.

This butcher normally trades Sundays but had signs up saying not enough stock to open tomorrow.

Just saw a headline that the beaches are packed. Not sure where they were referring to.
Bondi
(https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/12077578-3x2-940x627.jpg)
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Post by: plusnq on March 21, 2020, 12:11:55 PM
Bondi
(https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/12077578-3x2-940x627.jpg)

Bondi’s  just been closed
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Post by: edz on March 21, 2020, 12:14:32 PM
All out getting lots of healthy sun and fresh air to fight the onset of the dreaded virus   https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavirus-and-the-sun-a-lesson-from-the-1918-influenza-pandemic-509151dc8065 (https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavirus-and-the-sun-a-lesson-from-the-1918-influenza-pandemic-509151dc8065)
Locals around here just arnt getting it through their thick heads either . Ignoring new regulations on crowd gaps etc,  pub on the QLD side of the border last night was packed virtualy shoulder to shoulder ..
Had the boys in Blue doing compliance checks on pubs / clubs etc on the NSW side for the new regulated spacing and allocated patron numbers for venue zones .
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Post by: Fizzie on March 21, 2020, 12:26:32 PM
Just saw a headline that the beaches are packed. Not sure where they were referring to.

Just had a look at the GC Coast Cams, & while there are a few people on the beach, I certainly wouldn't call them packed, or even crowded!
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Post by: weeds on March 21, 2020, 08:43:10 PM
Went to Sandgate foreshore for a run this morning, was expecting it to be quite as Park Runs have been cancelled.

Bloody hell I couldn’t get a car park where I normally park....the place was teaming with people, seemed a whole lot more than normal.


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Post by: terravista on March 21, 2020, 09:34:44 PM
One good thing coming out of this drama is knowing how our leaders and health professionals rate teachers high on the "who cares if they die" list.
Children can carry the virus a couple of days before showing symptoms, if they show them at all, but it's okay to send them to school to either infect the teachers so they get the disease or take it home to their families.
A class of 30 kids in a 42m2 classroom does not equate to a safe distance.
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Post by: tryagain on March 22, 2020, 07:27:04 AM
One good thing coming out of this drama is knowing how our leaders and health professionals rate teachers high on the "who cares if they die" list.
Children can carry the virus a couple of days before showing symptoms, if they show them at all, but it's okay to send them to school to either infect the teachers so they get the disease or take it home to their families.
A class of 30 kids in a 42m2 classroom does not equate to a safe distance.

The school thing has gone pretty illogical on FB from what I have seen, would hate to see the same here. Put simply, they have classed school as essential, as they have work. The 4m per person was specifically to do with non essential gatherings.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 22, 2020, 08:30:29 AM
One good thing coming out of this drama is knowing how our leaders and health professionals rate teachers high on the "who cares if they die" list.
Children can carry the virus a couple of days before showing symptoms, if they show them at all, but it's okay to send them to school to either infect the teachers so they get the disease or take it home to their families.
A class of 30 kids in a 42m2 classroom does not equate to a safe distance.

It is estimated that 30% of the medical workforce would be affected if all the kids were sent home.. Many people also rely on elderly grand parents to look after the kids during work hours.  Kid being kids would also mean many would ignore the isolation and roam anyway. Once again crime would go up and this is a given during any school break!.  Kids are a lot more tolerant to the virus than the elderly and very little chance of a death from the virus. If you were going to stop the kids from going to school, in my opinion, you would shut down everything, except essential services for 2 weeks as well. Completely ban people on the streets and use cops as well as army to police.  Fed govt MUST have a money package available to help business and individuals.. The big cities are where the virus is spreading....must be peoples ignorance or stupidity in cities that cause the rise in cases. Its not hard to self isolate and only go out if absolutely necessary..i.e...to stock up with more food/medicines.  Going to the beach/pub/cafe  is just dumb as far as I,m concerned.  Its about time the young bullet proof twats who carry on as though they are completely bullet proof pulled their heads in and though of others in the community.
 :cheers:
Some will agree, some wont
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Post by: Hoyks on March 22, 2020, 08:31:13 AM
I work in what is classed as an essential service. Last week I had to canvas my staff and see who could still come in if the schools closed. That came in as around 2/3rds, in health care its closer to 1/2.

School not only teaches the kids, but in this age of both parents having to work, it has become essential day care. Close the schools and a heap of people can't go to work and the economy takes even more of a hit

Its the balance of them getting sick or their parents losing their jobs and them going hungry. All a tough tight rope to walk.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 22, 2020, 09:01:14 AM
Why it is so important to socially isolate....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/
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Post by: Hairs on March 22, 2020, 09:09:36 AM
Why it is so important to socially isolate....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/
Cheers,
But many will not.
:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 22, 2020, 09:15:18 AM
Cheers,
But many will not.
:(

I think this virus is also an intelligence test for mankind....many, many will fail to use their intelligence to look after themselves AND others.   We have already seen the dunny roll hoarders show their lack of intelligence or respect for others... :cheers:
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Post by: edz on March 22, 2020, 09:43:31 AM
Just realised : Where are all our superstar famous / sports people and actors etc, Normaly they are all over TV and radio at these types of times spruking messages  of encouragement and hope apealing to the masses  to do the right thing etc...
Is it just me not seeing or hearing it or has there been a deafening silence ...Just a thought.
   
Was thinking it might encourage more to do whats being asked by the Government  and health mobs
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Post by: Hairs on March 22, 2020, 10:08:18 AM
I think this virus is also an intelligence test for mankind....many, many will fail to use their intelligence to look after themselves AND others.   We have already seen the dunny roll hoarders show their lack of intelligence or respect for others... :cheers:
Unfortunatley, there is evidence of it here :(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 22, 2020, 10:41:38 AM
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-bondi-beach-closed-spain-deaths-increase/01f9d3d4-f467-4b28-9958-c8c2a8df1bb9 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-bondi-beach-closed-spain-deaths-increase/01f9d3d4-f467-4b28-9958-c8c2a8df1bb9)



All 'non-essential' travel to be banned: Scott Morrison
By Stuart Marsh11:27
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has recommended all Australians avoid non-essential travel as the government works to contain the outbreak of COVID-19.

"After consulting with premiers and chief ministers overnight, we have decided that we are moving immediately to recommend against all non-essential travel in Australia," said Mr Morrison.

"All non-essential travel should be cancelled.

"Work-related and compassionate grounds, those types of arrangements, is essential but also essential supplies and other important arrangements needed to keep Australia running."
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Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 10:46:04 AM
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-bondi-beach-closed-spain-deaths-increase/01f9d3d4-f467-4b28-9958-c8c2a8df1bb9 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-bondi-beach-closed-spain-deaths-increase/01f9d3d4-f467-4b28-9958-c8c2a8df1bb9)



All 'non-essential' travel to be banned: Scott Morrison
By Stuart Marsh11:27
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has recommended all Australians avoid non-essential travel as the government works to contain the outbreak of COVID-19.

"After consulting with premiers and chief ministers overnight, we have decided that we are moving immediately to recommend against all non-essential travel in Australia," said Mr Morrison.

"All non-essential travel should be cancelled.

"Work-related and compassionate grounds, those types of arrangements, is essential but also essential supplies and other important arrangements needed to keep Australia running."
but then you read this
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-barely-seen-another-person-families-flee-sydney-to-sit-out-virus-in-the-country-20200319-p54c0i.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-barely-seen-another-person-families-flee-sydney-to-sit-out-virus-in-the-country-20200319-p54c0i.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 22, 2020, 10:57:06 AM
but then you read this
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-barely-seen-another-person-families-flee-sydney-to-sit-out-virus-in-the-country-20200319-p54c0i.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-barely-seen-another-person-families-flee-sydney-to-sit-out-virus-in-the-country-20200319-p54c0i.html)

Be okay for those that have already travelled.   Will still take a while to work out just how to implement it to essential travel.  Other Countries have done a letter of authority to travel. 

Form other examples eg Bondi beach, self regulation has failed. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 22, 2020, 11:12:25 AM
but then you read this
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-barely-seen-another-person-families-flee-sydney-to-sit-out-virus-in-the-country-20200319-p54c0i.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-barely-seen-another-person-families-flee-sydney-to-sit-out-virus-in-the-country-20200319-p54c0i.html)
Yep, I know a mate and his wife have left Adelaide to isolate in the back blocks because of their health.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 22, 2020, 02:58:23 PM
Just realised : Where are all our superstar famous / sports people and actors etc, Normaly they are all over TV and radio at these types of times spruking messages  of encouragement and hope apealing to the masses  to do the right thing etc...
Is it just me not seeing or hearing it or has there been a deafening silence ...Just a thought.

Good question, Edz ???

Maybe they've all already shot through ::)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 22, 2020, 02:59:55 PM
but then you read this

Yep, good on you, SMH ::)

Things are in pretty dire straits, or getting that way rapidly, & you've still got your 5 story / month limit on >:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on March 22, 2020, 03:09:01 PM
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 03:17:05 PM
Yep, good on you, SMH ::)

Things are in pretty dire straits, or getting that way rapidly, & you've still got your 5 story / month limit on >:(
clear ya cookies and it resets, or use another browser ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 04:06:41 PM
Victoria:
Schools closed from Tuesday in drastic bid to curb spread of coronavirus

Schools will be closed and all non-essential activities shut down as the state government enacts dramatic measures to prevent deaths and the spread of coronavirus.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on March 22, 2020, 04:10:44 PM
Not sure what we will do if preschools shut down.
I work in an “essential service” I certainly won’t get time off.
I’m assuming my wife’s position in the bank would also be essential so we’d be stuffed.


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 22, 2020, 04:22:24 PM
The "essential" bit is the confusing part at the moment, previously, the Fed gov referred to it as including work and school, looks like the states are using it in a different context.

Looks like pubs clubs cafe's etc where people meet are a given to close. Supermarkets, doctors, pharmacies etc are a given to stay open. But there is so much grey inbetween the black and white cases that need clarity. Here in Qld we seem to have decision shy Premier, so I suspect we will follow the other eastern states but it might be about a week behind.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 04:23:17 PM
IMWO:
With all this going on, closing everything, blocking borders, risking entire economies and industries etc - there is a Shit load they are not telling us, nor telling us how bad this will become.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bad Scott on March 22, 2020, 04:31:57 PM
IMWO:
With all this going on, closing everything, blocking borders, risking entire economies and industries etc - there is a Shit load they are not telling us, nor telling us how bad this will become.
Telling ya, I ain't going to be stuck in NSW. I'll be finding out first thing tomorrow morning though.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 04:35:05 PM
Telling ya, I ain't going to be stuck in NSW. I'll be finding out first thing tomorrow morning though.
offroad it :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bad Scott on March 22, 2020, 04:36:50 PM
offroad it :D
I’m looking at options now


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 04:37:27 PM
Quote from: SJindustries
I’m looking at options now
travel at night ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Bigfish
We should also be allowed to get some of our super out to help with living now!!! 


Australians will be give n early access to $20,000 from their superannuation in an emergency effort to help workers suffering financially during the coronavirus pandemic but there are concerns it is now the worst time for people to dip into their nest eggs.

The new measures revealed as part of the federal government's $66 billion stimulus package on Sunday morning would allow individuals facing financial stress due to the disease to access $10,000 in 2019-20 and another $10,000 in 2020-21.

Those who are eligible are able to apply through myGov to access the funds before 1 July for the first $10,000 and have three months after this date to access more. These funds will not be taxed and will not affect Centrelink or Veterans' Affairs payments, with an expected cost to the budget of $1.2 billion.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Moggy on March 22, 2020, 04:42:40 PM


The "essential" bit is the confusing part at the moment, previously, the Fed gov referred to it as including work and school, looks like the states are using it in a different context.

Looks like pubs clubs cafe's etc where people meet are a given to close. Supermarkets, doctors, pharmacies etc are a given to stay open. But there is so much grey inbetween the black and white cases that need clarity. Here in Qld we seem to have decision shy Premier, so I suspect we will follow the other eastern states but it might be about a week behind.

Yeah, I'm confused by the "essential" tag. I do waterproofing,  not really essential, but is if you want to tile the wet areas. Also supposed to go to Bowen next week for a job, don't really know where I stand atm

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 22, 2020, 05:04:22 PM
IMWO:
With all this going on, closing everything, blocking borders, risking entire economies and industries etc - there is a Shit load they are not telling us, nor telling us how bad this will become.

You just need to look at Italy to see what can easily happen, and it can scale up to that very quickly and easily get worse, I think the US is about to see a big body count as well. You only need to crunch some pretty simple maths to see how bad and how quickly this could get.

Our Gov has actually been ahead of most of the rest of the world early on which I think they had hoped would allow that we might have been able to carry on with some normalcy with work and education, but I think pictures of Bondi beach and packed pubs etc have forced their hand.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on March 22, 2020, 05:09:57 PM
The only winner here is the long term dole bludger.


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 22, 2020, 05:13:42 PM



Those who are eligible are able to apply through myGov to access the funds before 1 July for the first $10,000 and have three months after this date to access more. These funds will not be taxed and will not affect Centrelink or Veterans' Affairs payments, with an expected cost to the budget of $1.2 billion.

I don't understand how it will cost the govt anything...accessing super  may not help the super funds bottom line, but the govt doesn't finance or run the super funds ?
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Post by: D4D on March 22, 2020, 05:16:05 PM
I don't understand how it will cost the govt anything...accessing super  may not help the super funds bottom line, but the govt doesn't finance or run the super funds ?

Not paying tax to get it out
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 22, 2020, 05:18:54 PM
I don't understand how it will cost the govt anything...accessing super  may not help the super funds bottom line, but the govt doesn't finance or run the super funds ?

The way super has been disappearing lately they will be flat out getting much..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 22, 2020, 07:18:47 PM
The only winner here is the long term dole bludger.


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I'm not sure I'd call them winners but those who rely 100% on government assistance are certainly going benefit.  An extra $550 per fortnight for what, to stimulate the economy, even though all but the essentials are going to be closed?
I haven't seen the details yet but I hope pensioners are getting the same increase!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 22, 2020, 07:51:08 PM
Not paying tax to get it out

Yes, but it's a tax they wouldn't get for many years to come in most cases. Don't worry, in the future, they'll get it back...and more !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on March 22, 2020, 09:33:41 PM
I'm not sure I'd call them winners but those who rely 100% on government assistance are certainly going benefit.  An extra $550 per fortnight for what, to stimulate the economy, even though all but the essentials are going to be closed?
I haven't seen the details yet but I hope pensioners are getting the same increase!
Long term dole bludgers are the winners $1500 in stimulus payments and double the Centrelink payment for sitting on their ass their whole life.
While the working class taxpayer who have forked out year after year get 0


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 22, 2020, 09:47:37 PM
The "essential" bit is the confusing part at the moment, previously, the Fed gov referred to it as including work and school, looks like the states are using it in a different context.

Looks like pubs clubs cafe's etc where people meet are a given to close. Supermarkets, doctors, pharmacies etc are a given to stay open. But there is so much grey inbetween the black and white cases that need clarity. Here in Qld we seem to have decision shy Premier, so I suspect we will follow the other eastern states but it might be about a week behind.

Looks like Scomo has bought some clarity to it tonight, he was looking a bit tired but I think he is doing pretty well on the whole, starting the national cabinet with the Premiers was a good move to de-politicise the issue, it's a different Scotty than we saw with the bushfires. They seem to be making rational decisions based on the expert advice while the media seem to be trying to whip up a frenzy.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on March 23, 2020, 05:55:01 AM
Looks like Scomo has bought some clarity to it tonight, he was looking a bit tired but I think he is doing pretty well on the whole, starting the national cabinet with the Premiers was a good move to de-politicise the issue, it's a different Scotty than we saw with the bushfires. They seem to be making rational decisions based on the expert advice while the media seem to be trying to whip up a frenzy.

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Post by: #jonesy on March 23, 2020, 06:49:09 AM
I don't understand how it will cost the govt anything...accessing super  may not help the super funds bottom line, but the govt doesn't finance or run the super funds ?
Take $10k out today, and in years to come when you retired your $100k+++ worse off. Who picks up the short fall? 
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Post by: Bigfish on March 23, 2020, 08:11:30 AM
Take $10k out today, and in years to come when you retired your $100k+++ worse off. Who picks up the short fall?

Taking $10,000 out today is probably a good thing seeing as we have lost 10% in a month.  No different to the GFC.....Super took a big whack but recovered and recovered very well.  Super is a long term strategy and will work out in the long run.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 23, 2020, 08:43:26 AM
clear ya cookies and it resets, or use another browser ;)

Thanks!

Turns out that "incognito" works as well 8) (accept you then also get ad's included, as apparently uBlock stops working? :'()
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 23, 2020, 08:47:15 AM
The "essential" bit is the confusing part at the moment, previously, the Fed gov referred to it as including work and school, looks like the states are using it in a different context.

Looks like pubs clubs cafe's etc where people meet are a given to close. Supermarkets, doctors, pharmacies etc are a given to stay open. But there is so much grey inbetween the black and white cases that need clarity. Here in Qld we seem to have decision shy Premier, so I suspect we will follow the other eastern states but it might be about a week behind.

A bit trivial, I know, but one that I'm wondering about is the BGS ???

There's been lot's of comments about people staying home & working in the garden, doing odd jobs & so on, but where are they going to get the gear from ???

I know a hardware store isn't really "essential", but it's also a tradie's supply store so that would make it essential for them, but as Hairs has said, is anybody getting tradies in to do anything, & can they even come into your house to work ???

Lot's more answers needed here! ::)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on March 23, 2020, 08:55:12 AM
my wife is a pre-school teacher in NSW.

she suffers from very bad asthma and is diabetic.

While many have pointed out that children (for the most part), don't get very sick from the virus... (and very few die)

a lot of people are forgetting that they are nature's perfect little incubators, carriers and dispersers.

my wife is terrified of getting sick with this. But if she tells her boss that she isn't going to work... then she won't be paid. If the state or federal gov' *close* the schools (officially) then the council that employs her will pay her.

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Post by: #jonesy on March 23, 2020, 09:10:49 AM
A bit trivial, I know, but one that I'm wondering about is the BGS ???

I stocked up yesterday.
A slab of beer and a visit to the BGS for a few items for projects if needed.
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Post by: austastar on March 23, 2020, 09:18:21 AM
Hi,
    This is from 2007.

Interesting list of authors.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 09:33:34 AM
Of more concern

Carlton & United Breweries had issued a statement on Sunday night warning of the loss of thousands of jobs in the brewing industry, as well as there being "no beer" available in Australia for at least three months if beer was not given exempt status.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bad Scott on March 23, 2020, 09:34:33 AM
Of more concern

Carlton & United Breweries had issued a statement on Sunday night warning of the loss of thousands of jobs in the brewing industry, as well as there being "no beer" available in Australia for at least three months if beer was not given exempt status.
Moonshine

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 09:37:28 AM
Moonshine

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how did ya go.. jump the border?

First comment on the booze thing

The immune system will really benefit from getting on the sauce.
Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

 :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
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Post by: Bad Scott on March 23, 2020, 09:40:03 AM
how did ya go.. jump the border?

First comment on the booze thing

The immune system will really benefit from getting on the sauce.
Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

 :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Not yet. Gotta commission a big change we did over the weekend then Packing up all my gear and heading home. I'll be over the boarder by tomorrow midday.

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Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: SJindustries
Not yet. Gotta commission a big change we did over the weekend then Packing up all my gear and heading home. I'll be over the boarder by tomorrow midday.
Where ya crossing so I can give em the heads up . :D

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Post by: CTL on March 23, 2020, 09:45:40 AM
Essential as at 20 March.  Will change without doubt.
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Post by: tedota on March 23, 2020, 10:00:20 AM
Be interesting to see if the shopping centres themselves end up being shut just leaving the supermarket part open. Be a hundred people or more in these places all hyped up and crashing into each other with all the hoarding happening at the moment.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 23, 2020, 10:02:20 AM
Where ya crossing so I can give em the heads up . :D

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This reminds me of a thread a few years ago when the interstaters were coming over the border to deliver some gear

GG
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Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 10:14:48 AM


This reminds me of a thread a few years ago when the interstaters were coming over the border to deliver some gear

GG
hahahahahahh was thinking the same LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
was the first night I met forum members out there too
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Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 10:21:03 AM
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 12:43:05 PM
what do you do here....


cruise ship wanting to dock in Fremantle has 1700 people onboard, nearly all italians, germans, other europeans

they are reporting over 200 people with upper respitory issues onboard
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Post by: rockrat on March 23, 2020, 12:54:50 PM
Be interesting to see if the shopping centres themselves end up being shut just leaving the supermarket part open. Be a hundred people or more in these places all hyped up and crashing into each other with all the hoarding happening at the moment.
My missus has a full time job in a fashion concession store within Myer in a major shopping centre. Sales have, for obvious reasons, dropped massively since the Coronavirus became a thing. Some days not a single sale. Today she was informed her hours would be cut to 3 hours per day. I suspect it won’t be more than a week before retailers such as Myer such their doors voluntarily.


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Post by: Fizzie on March 23, 2020, 01:19:56 PM
what do you do here....


cruise ship wanting to dock in Fremantle has 1700 people onboard, nearly all italians, germans, other europeans

they are reporting over 200 people with upper respitory issues onboard


Let it dock so they've got shore power, water & services, then quarantine the entire ship so that nobody leaves unless being med-evaced to hospital. Everybody stays onboard until 2 weeks after the last case is reported  & if that's 6 months away, then it's 6 months away!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 23, 2020, 02:08:34 PM
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/st-margarets-anglican-girls-school-confirms-three-parents-have-tested-positive-to-coronavirus/news-story/2dffb47f842a7766cb3290f393692cde (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/st-margarets-anglican-girls-school-confirms-three-parents-have-tested-positive-to-coronavirus/news-story/2dffb47f842a7766cb3290f393692cde)

QUEENSLAND’S border will be closed from midnight, Wednesday, it can be confirmed.

Anyone travelling into Queensland will be required to self quarantine for 14 days regardless if they are sick or not.
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Post by: Mace on March 23, 2020, 02:19:00 PM
Let it dock so they've got shore power, water & services, then quarantine the entire ship so that nobody leaves unless being med-evaced to hospital. Everybody stays onboard until 2 weeks after the last case is reported  & if that's 6 months away, then it's 6 months away!

The Death rate on board would be unacceptable.....

I believe WA Government are looking at Rottenest Island as a quarantine area, using Hotels there, and providing proper medical care and support. Otherwise mining camps, etc should be looked at.   Leaving them shipboard has been proven to increase exposure rates dramatically due to the lack of professional cleaning and medical management.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/coronavirus-rottnest-island-set-to-become-a-quarantine-zone/news-story/4fd9c848821da408a1de4c7458f1a2ea
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 23, 2020, 02:30:32 PM
For several days now I have been reading as much about this virus and its effect on countries.  With the Australian attitude of "she`ll be right" we will be in deep Shit!!!   Unless we shut down completely for at least 3 weeks and immediately...we are prolonging the effect and causing needless deaths and hardship!! The govt is continually sending out mixed messages and dithering in responses.  Grow some balls and nip this thing in the bud before its too late....We dont want to be another Italy!!!

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Post by: plusnq on March 23, 2020, 05:00:42 PM
For several days now I have been reading as much about this virus and its effect on countries.  With the Australian attitude of "she`ll be right" we will be in deep Shit!!!   Unless we shut down completely for at least 3 weeks and immediately...we are prolonging the effect and causing needless deaths and hardship!! The govt is continually sending out mixed messages and dithering in responses.  Grow some balls and nip this thing in the bud before its too late....We dont want to be another Italy!!!

We are where Italy was three weeks ago
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Post by: rockrat on March 23, 2020, 06:49:37 PM
An interesting article about the choice between "full lockdown" and "flattening the curve" that the government, and therefore, we all face.  Problem with most governments is that they try to please most of the people most of the time, which inevitably leaves them at risk of sitting on the fence in crisis situations like this. I'm ok with either scenario but whatever way it goes, I just hope the state and federal governments are far more decisive than they have been so far.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-has-48-hours-to-decide-which-path-to-take/news-story/1b6d73c33fdaab18c3cd8a212598c06c
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 24, 2020, 10:33:37 AM
An interesting article about the choice between "full lockdown" and "flattening the curve" that the government, and therefore, we all face.  Problem with most governments is that they try to please most of the people most of the time, which inevitably leaves them at risk of sitting on the fence in crisis situations like this. I'm ok with either scenario but whatever way it goes, I just hope the state and federal governments are far more decisive than they have been so far.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-has-48-hours-to-decide-which-path-to-take/news-story/1b6d73c33fdaab18c3cd8a212598c06c (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-has-48-hours-to-decide-which-path-to-take/news-story/1b6d73c33fdaab18c3cd8a212598c06c)
Interesting read.
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Post by: CTL on March 24, 2020, 10:36:06 AM
We are only at the beginning

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Post by: Mace on March 24, 2020, 11:11:47 AM
We are only at the beginning

In a far better position than Italy.

(https://i.ibb.co/xgm7MrV/Covid2.gif)



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Post by: plusnq on March 24, 2020, 11:36:24 AM
We just started later.
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Post by: alnjan on March 24, 2020, 11:40:26 AM
In a far better position than Italy.

(https://i.ibb.co/xgm7MrV/Covid2.gif)


We are only a month behind Italy
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Post by: tryagain on March 24, 2020, 12:06:07 PM
I think the US will soon be the reference point for comparisons in regard to how bad it could get. Just about every variable I can think of has them fairing worse than Italy, general health, willingness to follow government directives, the hospital system, their lack of testing, Trump's inaction early on (expect to hear him call it the China virus a lot more), the super partisan nature of their politics. etc etc.
Add to all of that, a lot of uncertain and frightened people as it all unravels, fully locked and loaded with their finger on the trigger ready to protect themselves from the masses of other locked and loaded people they think might be coming to either give them the virus or get "their stuff" that place is a powder keg waiting to go off.   
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Post by: Bird on March 24, 2020, 12:07:17 PM
Quote from: tryagain
, fully locked and loaded with their finger on the trigger ready to protect themselves from the masses of other locked and loaded people they think might be coming to either give them the virus or get "their stuff" that place is a powder keg waiting to go off.
Hadnt thought of that.
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Post by: tryagain on March 24, 2020, 12:16:02 PM
Hadnt thought of that.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying)
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Post by: Bird on March 24, 2020, 12:40:38 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying)
as Aussies queue up for the dole....
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/0f0a54d89975e718f9c25e8c19aa28807b621c03/0_0_3000_1800/master/3000.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=cad57172b4866984c0e5f825309d6ec0)
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Post by: Mace on March 24, 2020, 12:55:54 PM

We are only a month behind Italy

As shown on the graph, we are 10 days behind Italy.... Lets see if our graph line has straight lined, or flattened out in 10 days.

If it straight lines, we will have approx 10,000 - 12000  cases by then.

If they keep going as tracking, the US will have a million cases by that time......
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Post by: Fizzie on March 24, 2020, 01:14:09 PM
We are only at the beginning

Yep, this next week is going to be the make or break, comparing it to their 29/2 - 7/3 figures
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Post by: Bigfish on March 24, 2020, 01:19:23 PM
as Aussies queue up for the dole....
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/0f0a54d89975e718f9c25e8c19aa28807b621c03/0_0_3000_1800/master/3000.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=cad57172b4866984c0e5f825309d6ec0)


Maybe they think they can just shoot the virus if it sticks its head up....At least here we know throwing dunny rolls is the answer.. :cheers:
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Post by: Fizzie on March 24, 2020, 01:21:43 PM
At least here we know throwing dunny rolls is the answer.. :cheers:

I thought you were supposed to set fire to the date roll first, before throwing it ???
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Post by: JusyApples on March 24, 2020, 02:21:32 PM
We are only at the beginning
Just remember Italy has an old population. Median age they are ranked 5th in the world. They also have 60mil people in a much smaller area. Also have to take into account their general health compared to Australians.


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Post by: Bird on March 24, 2020, 02:24:08 PM
and remember Rodney Rude told us why Italy was shaped like a boot :D
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Post by: Bird on March 24, 2020, 02:49:47 PM
So... is the virus changing....


'A pre-school aged child has tested positive to the virus,'
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Post by: Hairs on March 24, 2020, 03:09:38 PM
So... is the virus changing....


'A pre-school aged child has tested positive to the virus,'
Heard that on the radio on the way home, yep I got to quote on two jobs today, Happy Dance :)
Kids were still at risk.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 24, 2020, 04:23:17 PM
So... is the virus changing....


'A pre-school aged child has tested positive to the virus,'

There have been a couple of young kids, including an 8-month old baby, diagnosed with it previously :'(

Just because kids aren't very susceptible, doesn't mean they're immune.
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Post by: gronk on March 24, 2020, 04:38:50 PM
There have been a couple of young kids, including an 8-month old baby, diagnosed with it previously :'(

Just because kids aren't very susceptible, doesn't mean they're immune.

Yep, because most kids who get it don't show symptoms , they don't get tested.
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Post by: #jonesy on March 24, 2020, 04:54:43 PM
I now a lot of ads are organised and paid for well in advance, but maybe they need to rethink.

Funny listening to Qantas frequent flyer ad about using points to go overseas, or Webjet ads.  But just saw an ad for BCF about going camping?
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Post by: Hairs on March 24, 2020, 05:02:40 PM


just saw an ad for BCF about going camping?
Now there have dome pretty quirky ads,
Wouldn't you think they would of come up with something orginal.


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Post by: D4D on March 24, 2020, 05:21:33 PM
Relevant article, topical quote 'we need to acknowledge that this pandemic is not a vacation'
https://theradavist.com/2020/03/this-pandemic-is-not-a-vacation/ (https://theradavist.com/2020/03/this-pandemic-is-not-a-vacation/)
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Post by: Pete79 on March 24, 2020, 05:22:10 PM
Now there have dome pretty quirky ads,
Wouldn't you think they would of come up with something orginal.
Should go in the rant thread, but I'm BCFing sick and tired of their relentless BCFing sales. Everything is BCFing on sale every BCFing week.
Nothing new or BCFing exciting, just the same BCFing Shite with another BCFing headline and another BCFing excuse to write BCFing on some thing.
I was BCFing over it a long time ago, about time they BCFing gave up on that BCFing marking line......
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Post by: JusyApples on March 24, 2020, 06:58:36 PM
https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/the-maths-and-ethics-of-minimising-covid-19-deaths?fbclid=IwAR3UdpyG7U7XwXflPY9WEp2ZcZs5H_cpXK04j3ZotvdWHAdVe5XxUAzbeJk


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Post by: gronk on March 24, 2020, 07:03:25 PM
I now a lot of ads are organised and paid for well in advance, but maybe they need to rethink.

Funny listening to Qantas frequent flyer ad about using points to go overseas, or Webjet ads.  But just saw an ad for BCF about going camping?

Going home from work, there was an ad on the local radio station for a well known cafe /eatery in town....spruiking about the price of schooners ?? lol
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Post by: rockrat on March 24, 2020, 07:25:48 PM
https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/the-maths-and-ethics-of-minimising-covid-19-deaths?fbclid=IwAR3UdpyG7U7XwXflPY9WEp2ZcZs5H_cpXK04j3ZotvdWHAdVe5XxUAzbeJk


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The article quotes a UK study saying the mortality rate for over 80's is 9.3%.  I read somewhere the other day that in France the normal/long term mortality rate is 5.9%.
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Post by: plusnq on March 24, 2020, 07:27:22 PM
https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/the-maths-and-ethics-of-minimising-covid-19-deaths?fbclid=IwAR3UdpyG7U7XwXflPY9WEp2ZcZs5H_cpXK04j3ZotvdWHAdVe5XxUAzbeJk


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Thank you. I read that earlier. It doesn't seem like eradication is on the table here in Australia.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 24, 2020, 07:50:35 PM
I now a lot of ads are organised and paid for well in advance, but maybe they need to rethink.

Funny listening to Qantas frequent flyer ad about using points to go overseas, or Webjet ads.  But just saw an ad for BCF about going camping?

Turned the TV on over the weekend & Getaway was on ... talking about cruises ::)
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Post by: tedota on March 24, 2020, 08:04:24 PM
Watched the same show about cruising Antarctica and at the end it had all prices current as at 20/3/2020?
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Post by: sharkcaver on March 24, 2020, 10:26:55 PM
Kennedy and Molloy national radio show, offering up a $1000 flight center voucher to the winners of one of their ring in comps. PMSL....
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Post by: nab on March 24, 2020, 10:56:55 PM
So far they are only testing people that have travelled overseas/certain countries/showing symptoms. Once the tests become available to the general public then the numbers of confirmed cases will go through the roof (even though though they were already there... geddit?) then watch people poop their pants!
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Post by: sharkcaver on March 24, 2020, 11:12:26 PM
So far they are only testing people that have travelled overseas/certain countries/showing symptoms. Once the tests become available to the general public then the numbers of confirmed cases will go through the roof (even though though they were already there... geddit?) then watch people poop their pants!

Agreed.

It's interesting to see the linear rise in all countries seem to be of a similar slope. A world of pain is coming our way me thinks.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 25, 2020, 07:05:17 AM
Agreed.

It's interesting to see the linear rise in all countries seem to be of a similar slope. A world of pain is coming our way me thinks.


And yet people will still not get it!!!

Looks like I,ll be watching reruns of your u-tube vids !!!
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Post by: Mace on March 25, 2020, 08:34:53 AM
Tasmania has just closed Caravan/Camping Parks to all but permanent residents.

"We do not want rural communities overrun with holidaying people over the Easter break...  Please stay at home."  Peter Gutwein, Premier.
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Post by: tryagain on March 25, 2020, 08:47:19 AM
So far they are only testing people that have travelled overseas/certain countries/showing symptoms. Once the tests become available to the general public then the numbers of confirmed cases will go through the roof (even though though they were already there... geddit?) then watch people poop their pants!

I can't find a link to it, but basically they said a few days ago that they were stopping testing those who have already got the virus to see when they are over it, but have started random testing at a number of GP clinics where everyone who presents with symptoms will be tested to give them an idea if there is much community transmission that the current testing is missing.

We currently have one of the highest testing rates in the world, about 10x that what the US is doing.
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Post by: Paddler Ed on March 25, 2020, 08:47:57 AM
Tasmania has just closed Caravan/Camping Parks to all but permanent residents.

"We do not want rural communities overrun with holidaying people over the Easter break...  Please stay at home."  Peter Gutwein, Premier.

Or, as my mate back in the UK said about everyone going to the hills the other weekend "Fcuk off you townie tw@ts"
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Post by: Bigfish on March 25, 2020, 08:58:47 AM
Tasmania has just closed Caravan/Camping Parks to all but permanent residents.

"We do not want rural communities overrun with holidaying people over the Easter break...  Please stay at home."  Peter Gutwein, Premier.

Still cannot understand why that is not happening here in Qld.  Surely a shared ablution block is asking for trouble.  Go home campers and caravanners.
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Post by: Rodt on March 25, 2020, 09:37:21 AM
Saw a Facebook post on this with something that I hadn't considered before. A number of people in vans etc have sold everything up and are on the road full-time. In their case they have no home and at some stage (even if self-contained) will need to either stop at a caravan park, shop at a local grocery store, fill up with water, empty toilet and grey water tank etc.

Not all caravanners and campers are ignoring the rules and we need to have empathy for each situation until we know what they are
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 09:47:29 AM
Quote from: Rodt
Saw a Facebook post on this with something that I hadn't considered before. A number of people in vans etc have sold everything up and are on the road full-time. In their case they have no home and at some stage (even if self-contained) will need to either stop at a caravan park, shop at a local grocery store, fill up with water, empty toilet and grey water tank etc.
agree - thats something I hadnt thought about.
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Post by: Mace on March 25, 2020, 10:33:44 AM
QUOTE:

GREY nomads planning to come to Tasmania by ship to set up in caravans and motorhomes at camping spots around the state have been told not to come.

TT-Line, which operates Tasmania’s two Bass Strait ferries, is contacting all non-Tasmanians who have booked to bring their caravan or motorhome on the Spirit of Tasmania vessels that they are not welcome right now.

Under border rules to try to stem Tasmania’s coronavirus infections, all non-essential travellers must enter 14 days of self-quarantine. The Government said self-quarantine was not permitted in caravans and motorhomes.

“The message is clear — if you are not a Tasmanian resident returning home or an essential traveller, do not get on the Spirit with your caravan or motorhome as you will not be able to self-isolate in it,” Infrastructure Minister Michael Ferguson said.

Anyone whose booking has been cancelled as a result of these important restrictions will receive a full refund and should call TT-Line on 1800 634 906.

Tasmanians returning home to the state, regardless of whether it is by air or sea, must adhere to the 14-day self-quarantine instructions currently in place.

“It is absolutely vital everyone plays their part to reduce the spread of COVID-19 to save lives,” Mr Ferguson said.
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 10:46:11 AM
It's up to you: data shows corona virus can only be controlled if eight out of 10 Aussies stay home

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/coronavirus-covid-19-modelling-stay-home-chart/12084144 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/coronavirus-covid-19-modelling-stay-home-chart/12084144)
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Post by: wakychapmans on March 25, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Saw a Facebook post on this with something that I hadn't considered before. A number of people in vans etc have sold everything up and are on the road full-time. In their case they have no home and at some stage (even if self-contained) will need to either stop at a caravan park, shop at a local grocery store, fill up with water, empty toilet and grey water tank etc.

Not all caravanners and campers are ignoring the rules and we need to have empathy for each situation until we know what they are

I was reading a similar post... with a different twist.

a couple were planning to hunker down in their van, at a van park they were in. (they live in their van on the road... no home address to go back to0

the park caretaker came up and asked them if they were self contained... ie: with an internal shower and toilet. They have an older/smaller van, so no.

they were told they would have to leave inside 48 hours as the park would be closed to non-self-contained vans.

basically the park was closing the shower/toilet block.
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Post by: wakychapmans on March 25, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
It's up to you: data shows corona virus can only be controlled if eight out of 10 Aussies stay home

so my wife is a pre-school teacher... in NSW.

schools here are not officially "closed". Everyone is requested to keep their kids at home if they can. But to send them to school if they are working in essential services (nurses, doctors, truck drivers etc)

My wifes centre would normally have between 30-45 kids on average. Yesterday they had SEVEN.

Pretty good huh.

Not so much. Of those seven, only one had parents that was what you would consider "essential". (mum is a nurse, dad a truckie)

the other six... all stay at home mums.
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Post by: Robbo on March 25, 2020, 11:03:05 AM
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Post by: jclures on March 25, 2020, 11:04:46 AM
so my wife is a pre-school teacher... in NSW.

schools here are not officially "closed". Everyone is requested to keep their kids at home if they can. But to send them to school if they are working in essential services (nurses, doctors, truck drivers etc)

My wifes centre would normally have between 30-45 kids on average. Yesterday they had SEVEN.

Pretty good huh.

Not so much. Of those seven, only one had parents that was what you would consider "essential". (mum is a nurse, dad a truckie)

the other six... all stay at home mums.
They need their "Me" time, don't you know. ???
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 11:19:19 AM
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yea that looks good to me Robbo!
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Post by: Paddler Ed on March 25, 2020, 11:31:24 AM
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yea that looks good to me Robbo!

Whilst it may look good, I hope you are able to do it in your back yard in Melbourne or the GC - as can be seen by Tasmania's stance, and other places globally, heading bush is NOT social isolation.

In the UK this has been a problem, with everyone flocking to the hills and the coast for their isolation; in Australia Bondi Beach got swamped.

Regions do NOT have the facilities to care for you or those that you might infect on the way; the cost of evacuation to the major cities will be carried by the RFDS etc, who are already under-resourced for providing their essential services to the regional communities that they would normally serve.

Australia got the message during the fires of not going somewhere that was dangerous; why the hell can't they get it now?!
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Post by: D4D on March 25, 2020, 11:53:17 AM
Saw a Facebook post on this with something that I hadn't considered before. A number of people in vans etc have sold everything up and are on the road full-time. In their case they have no home and at some stage (even if self-contained) will need to either stop at a caravan park, shop at a local grocery store, fill up with water, empty toilet and grey water tank etc.

Not all caravanners and campers are ignoring the rules and we need to have empathy for each situation until we know what they are

This was in an email from Big4 this morning.

It is our understanding that ‘essential travel’ includes travel that is related to:
•   necessary activities for work purposes,
•   essential accommodation while stopping at one location during a current road trip,
•   travel on compassionate grounds and
•   travel required to return to your place of residence.

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Post by: Kangaron on March 25, 2020, 12:02:42 PM
India acted swiftly a month ago, closed borders, flights, non essential travel and businesses closed.
Yesterday they evoked a 21 day lockdown [no one leaves home]
The figures below are up to date as of 0600 25/3
Not bad for a population of over a billion, with poor health services, housing etc.

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Post by: edz on March 25, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
https://www.facebook.com/abcwimmera/photos/a.119616014725077/3095758077110841/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/abcwimmera/photos/a.119616014725077/3095758077110841/?type=3&theater)  Some Caravan parks are offering refuge to full time and stranded travelers with strict conditions ..
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Post by: Bigfish on March 25, 2020, 12:17:45 PM
India acted swiftly a month ago, closed borders, flights, non essential travel and businesses closed.
Yesterday they evoked a 21 day lockdown [no one leaves home]
The figures below are up to date as of 0600 25/3
Not bad for a population of over a billion, with poor health services, housing etc.


They probably dont have the   "F you Jack...I,m alright"  attitude either..
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Post by: Fizzie on March 25, 2020, 12:26:09 PM
the other six... all stay at home mums.

But I've got to meet Jane for morning coffee, then lunch at Mary-Jo's, Thursday morning is meet the girls at the shops to check clothes ... ::) :'( >:(

But swapping this around a bit, we've been wondering about "30% of health workers will have to stay home if schools shut" ??? Just looking at the school age kids in our street, 30% of their parents are definitely not health workers!

Reckon it's probably stat's coming directly from the Minister, who's looked at his kids class at his $50000 pa private school - yes, well his dad's a surgeon, her's is a dentist, his is a specialist, those two are both doctors ... ::)
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 12:45:25 PM
yea that looks good to me Robbo!


Whilst it may look good, I hope you are able to do it in your back yard in Melbourne or the GC - as can be seen by Tasmania's stance, and other places globally, heading bush is NOT social isolation.

In the UK this has been a problem, with everyone flocking to the hills and the coast for their isolation; in Australia Bondi Beach got swamped.

Regions do NOT have the facilities to care for you or those that you might infect on the way; the cost of evacuation to the major cities will be carried by the RFDS etc, who are already under-resourced for providing their essential services to the regional communities that they would normally serve.

Australia got the message during the fires of not going somewhere that was dangerous; why the hell can't they get it now?!
Yep. that still looks good to me Robbo!
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Post by: rockrat on March 25, 2020, 12:47:50 PM
It will be interesting to see how things go in NZ as they go into Level4 lockdown for at least 4 weeks. We seem to be about a week behind in our response.

You would think that in a 4 week period, IF everyone does the right thing, they might  pretty much eradicate it completely.

If not, go one step further and go into total lockdown. Create zones around supermarkets, schools, etc and no-one leaves that zone unless absolutely essential for work (and this means critical health professionals only) and only then on special busses or ambulances. And when they return home they are confined to their house and monitored. All supermarket workers, teachers etc must live in the zone the supermarket or school is in.

Maybe the government should treat it as though it is as contagious as measles and as deadly as Ebola. If that were the case, most of us would be either dead in a month or we would eradicate it and life would start to get back to normal (albeit there would need to be zero arrivals and departures from the country)


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Post by: edz on March 25, 2020, 12:47:54 PM
With any country with a populations close too or  equaly that big as India's and minimal to no modern health care in large regions / still living mostly tradtional ways, I'd be a bit dubious as to the accuracy of some of these low  figures being put up .
Just my uneducated non expert opinion of course ..
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Post by: sharkcaver on March 25, 2020, 12:59:07 PM

And yet people will still not get it!!!

Looks like I,ll be watching reruns of your u-tube vids !!!

Getting corona virus will be less painfull  :cheers:

I was planning a desert trip early April (before Easter). I guess that's off the table now, even though I will have no interaction with anyone out there whatsoever. The only interaction with others would be 2 x fuel stops. That said, with the stripping of the shelves currently in play, I don't think I could get the food to support a 7 day trip away anyway. It's bedlam out there. I just got my first lot of dunny paper in 4 weeks today. Supplies are critical here at home and I haven't been able to get any during this period until today.

They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?
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Post by: tryagain on March 25, 2020, 01:33:07 PM
so my wife is a pre-school teacher... in NSW.

schools here are not officially "closed". Everyone is requested to keep their kids at home if they can. But to send them to school if they are working in essential services (nurses, doctors, truck drivers etc)

My wifes centre would normally have between 30-45 kids on average. Yesterday they had SEVEN.

Pretty good huh.

Not so much. Of those seven, only one had parents that was what you would consider "essential". (mum is a nurse, dad a truckie)

the other six... all stay at home mums.

Flip side of this is that a majority of childcare workers are about to be stood down, a council run centre might try and pay their staff a bit longer, but at the end of the day they don't have a bottomless bucket of money like the feds do. No kids, no fees, no income for the centre, where are business/council supposed to get the money to pay the staff from? Long story short, they won't accept from maybe a skeleton staff for the kids who are still there.
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Post by: plusnq on March 25, 2020, 02:05:52 PM
Getting corona virus will be less painfull  :cheers:

I was planning a desert trip early April (before Easter). I guess that's off the table now, even though I will have no interaction with anyone out there whatsoever. The only interaction with others would be 2 x fuel stops. That said, with the stripping of the shelves currently in play, I don't think I could get the food to support a 7 day trip away anyway. It's bedlam out there. I just got my first lot of dunny paper in 4 weeks today. Supplies are critical here at home and I haven't been able to get any during this period until today.

They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?

Same over here in Brisbane.
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
Same over here in Brisbane.
They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?


Same in Melbourne.
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Post by: Bigpickle on March 25, 2020, 02:55:53 PM
They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?


Same in Melbourne.
There are 807 Coles, 995 Woolworths, 500+ Aldi and more than 1600 IGA Supermarkets in Australia. That is 3900 supermarkets plus the smaller supermarkets in country town.

How many trucks do you think are engaged in deliveries every night?

It is just not possible to fill every shelf in every supermarket every night after the panic merchants have stripped them bare.

Stupidity is the one commodity we are not short of in Australia atm
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Post by: bmwfreak on March 25, 2020, 02:57:49 PM
They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?


Same in Melbourne.

What makes anyone think that the people who started the hoarding trend have changed their spots. Just because they have got 250 days of item X, it does not mean that having 280 days of item X isn’t a good idea. The hoarders are still hoarding, which means that unless you are in the supermarket on the right day, at the right time, the shelves will continue to be empty.
With stores introducing limits on quantities of items, the hoarders are now going in singly so a family of 5 can still buy 10 of something that is limited to 2 per shopper.
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Post by: Robbo on March 25, 2020, 03:07:31 PM
Yep. that still looks good to me Robbo!
Cheers Bruce. At least it will be something to look foward to when this problem is over.

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Post by: Fizzie on March 25, 2020, 03:17:03 PM
but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?

We went in to Aldi this morning for our normal fortnightly shop. Got there 10 minutes after opening time & the place was already the busiest we've ever seen that particular shop :'(

People certainly seemed a bit on edge, but there was no visible panic happening.

& they had Date Roll!!! ;D ;D ;D

4-packs only, instead of their usual bigger packs, with two pallets half full. We got one, & saw a few others with one or two, but no trolleys full :cup:

& bugger! >:(, this means that all these people have found out about Aldi, so there goes our nice quiet shop that we usually share with a dozen other people :'(
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Post by: Kangaron on March 25, 2020, 03:24:02 PM
There 995 Woolworths,  in Australia.

How many trucks do you think are engaged in deliveries every night?


WW have their own fleet, prime movers and many more trailers, refrigerated and not, plus they outsource non refrigerated to Linfox and a few others.
EVERY Store gets a delivery of Produce and fast moving grocery items every night, 365 days a year.
Stores place orders everyday.
The stuff is just selling too fast for the logistics to keep pace.
If everyone returned to shopping for what they NEED, things would be back to normal within a few day.
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 03:54:35 PM
There have been more coronavirus cases in victoria among 25-29 year-olds than any other age group, health department data shows.

Health Minister says one of the people in ICU is aged in their 30s, emphasizing the disease can strike the young as well.
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Post by: tryagain on March 25, 2020, 05:02:46 PM
There have been more coronavirus cases in victoria among 25-29 year-olds than any other age group, health department data shows.

A cavilier attitude, having said that, it's actually what the country needs to keep the death toll down. Young healthy people getting it to build up the herd immunity as apposed to the old who have a much higher mortality rate.
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Post by: plusnq on March 25, 2020, 05:29:36 PM
WW have their own fleet, prime movers and many more trailers, refrigerated and not, plus they outsource non refrigerated to Linfox and a few others.
EVERY Store gets a delivery of Produce and fast moving grocery items every night, 365 days a year.
Stores place orders everyday.
The stuff is just selling too fast for the logistics to keep pace.
If everyone returned to shopping for what they NEED, things would be back to normal within a few day.

The problem is that the longer the shelves remain bare, the less people will believe that. Simply the JIT system was too finely tuned to cope with people needing to stock up with food for a possible 14 day plus lock in. Due to the dribble of information the public receive plus all the high handed warnings, it is hard to blame the public for looking after themselves and their family. Our JIT world-wide economy has proven to be extremely fragile to a large external shock such as the COVID-19. I foresee big changes happening once the crisis is over.
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 05:36:47 PM
new zealanders have to get to their place of residence tonight ... that is the house you must stay in for the next 4 weeks. no moving around or ****ing about

Thats our next step.... so leave the missus at home and get to ya girlfriends place quick!!!!!
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Post by: gronk on March 25, 2020, 05:39:31 PM
I foresee big changes happening once the crisis is over.

Just like the bushfires.....I see NO changes happening.  The pollies will say, thank christ that is over....we won't see that happening again, and life will go back to "normal".

But, "normal" won't be the same as a month ago, that may take a few years !
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Post by: Hairs on March 25, 2020, 05:47:12 PM
Just like the bushfires.....I see NO changes happening.  The pollies will say, thank christ that is over....we won't see that happening again, and life will go back to "normal".

But, "normal" won't be the same as a month ago, that may take a few years !
Got to agree Greg.
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Post by: D4D on March 25, 2020, 05:50:07 PM
Just like the bushfires.....I see NO changes happening.  The pollies will say, thank christ that is over....we won't see that happening again, and life will go back to "normal".

But, "normal" won't be the same as a month ago, that may take a few years !

I actually see that shareholders will require companies to diversify as well as optimise their supply chains, we'll move to a 'diversified just in time' system rather than only just in time.
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Post by: plusnq on March 25, 2020, 05:52:29 PM
Just like the bushfires.....I see NO changes happening.  The pollies will say, thank christ that is over....we won't see that happening again, and life will go back to "normal".

But, "normal" won't be the same as a month ago, that may take a few years !

I didn’t say the government would be making changes. My feelings are that people have seen how vulnerable the system is and will make changes to protect themselves.
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Post by: plusnq on March 25, 2020, 05:53:49 PM
I actually see that shareholders will require companies to diversify as well as optimise their supply chains, we'll move to a 'diversified just in time' system rather than only just in time.

I agree. Some of this was already happening in the US due to the trade war.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 25, 2020, 07:58:57 PM
I actually see that shareholders will require companies to diversify

& (hopefully) start to not depend on one customer ???

Story on the local news tonight that an up-market chocolate maker here on the GC has hit the wall hard, because they only made fancy chocolates to put on beds in the 4* hotels - no tourists = no hotel bookings = no choccies = no $, all in the space of 3 days! :o
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Post by: Brij on March 26, 2020, 05:28:05 AM
It's up to you: data shows corona virus can only be controlled if eight out of 10 Aussies stay home

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/coronavirus-covid-19-modelling-stay-home-chart/12084144 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/coronavirus-covid-19-modelling-stay-home-chart/12084144)

I wander how they determine "controlled" verses "uncontrolled"?
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Post by: D4D on March 26, 2020, 06:04:21 AM
Some good news if you're a Foxtel customer
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/foxtel-to-open-up-entire-content-library-to-all-users-during-covid19-crisis/news-story/cfb4a4f06aaccf32b9624dac74382fad (https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/foxtel-to-open-up-entire-content-library-to-all-users-during-covid19-crisis/news-story/cfb4a4f06aaccf32b9624dac74382fad)
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Post by: plusnq on March 26, 2020, 07:09:42 AM
I wander how they determine "controlled" verses "uncontrolled"?

R0<=1
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Post by: Bigfish on March 26, 2020, 07:24:54 AM
Got to agree Greg.

More bloody Royal Commissions....
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Post by: macca on March 26, 2020, 07:54:22 AM
The reason you are not seeing full restocking of the shelves is because they have now introduced a time limit for the semi to  sit at the loading dock, the store orders are placed in a staging bay and when the truck arrives they start loading when time is up they shut the doors and the truck leaves with what ever they can get in. The reason is to try to get some stock to every store.  I have seen the stock of toilet paper in one warehouse and I'm not to worried about not be able to get it, just have to hunt around a bit, I guess when people are too stupid to control themselves someone has to do it for them

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Post by: Hairs on March 26, 2020, 07:56:52 AM
Watch the news this morning,
Reporters at the QLD/NSW boarder, a ute with 3 tradies crammed in the front seat.
The reporter within 1.5M of the driver, the copper was well back.  :police:
The tradies were laughing about how they were going to be late, but still get paid.  ???
There ya go,
That is why this virus is spreading, that is the definition of a dickhead.
 >:D >:D  >:D
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Post by: Pete79 on March 26, 2020, 08:04:01 AM
And what if those 3 tradies live together as well?

Me and 3 other mates lived in the same house and worked in the same workshop on the Goldie for a year or so.
There was 3 tradies crammed in the front of a commodore ute every morning.... ;)
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Post by: Hairs on March 26, 2020, 08:19:00 AM
And what if those 3 tradies live together as well?

Me and 3 other mates lived in the same house and worked in the same workshop on the Goldie for a year or so.
There was 3 tradies crammed in the front of a commodore ute every morning.... ;)
Pete,
It was a laugh to them, they really don't give a toss.
But what about the reporter?
Copper was doing the right thing, but reporter moves in close to stick the mic into the drivers face?
What the image does, is give the impression of, business as usual.


A message when out yesterday arvo in our local FB group regarding the Lawrence Ferry.
Asking motorists to have their windows up while on the ferry, not just for the safety of the operators, but for the motorists and their passengers.
The backlash that caused, one comment.
' What's wrong with ya's, scared of getting a cold"?
This is why this is spreading.

Did I hear right, 200 vic coppers have been pulled from service because they may have come in contact with someone who tested positive?
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Post by: Bigfish on March 26, 2020, 08:20:38 AM
And what if those 3 tradies live together as well?

Me and 3 other mates lived in the same house and worked in the same workshop on the Goldie for a year or so.
There was 3 tradies crammed in the front of a commodore ute every morning.... ;)

Maybe so...but highly unlikely..Also means that if 1 gets it then 3 automatically get the virus as well.
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Post by: Pete79 on March 26, 2020, 08:20:59 AM
Pete,
It was a laugh to them, they really don't give a toss.
But what about the reporter?
Copper was doing the right thing, but reporter moves in close to stick the mic into the drivers face?
What the image does, is give the impression of, business as usual.
Ahh, I see. Completely misread that one. :)
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Post by: Fizzie on March 26, 2020, 09:25:13 AM

Did I hear right, 200 vic coppers have been pulled from service because they may have come in contact with someone who tested positive?

Saw that headline, but no details ???
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Post by: Rowlie on March 26, 2020, 09:30:06 AM




Did I hear right, 200 vic coppers have been pulled from service because they may have come in contact with someone who tested positive?

I actually know Vic coppers who are in isolation. They had been overseas and had to go into lockdown. No different to others in the community. Report on the radio an hour or so ago also said others have come into contact through their day to day activities and no doubt some just have a runny nose and aren't welcome in the station. Not sure how many coppers there are in Vic but 200 is probably a very small percentage.
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Post by: Bird on March 26, 2020, 09:34:01 AM
Why is it spreading?
The Rich think rules dont apply to them.



Quote
A Melbourne couple infected with COVID-19 while on a skiing holiday in the United States have been the subject of repeated police complaints after they allegedly flouted advice to self-isolate and visited shops and a golf course on the Mornington Peninsula instead.

A wealthy finance industry figure and his partner were two of about a dozen Australians believed to have contracted the coronavirus after attending a social function in the exclusive alpine resort of Aspen, Colorado, earlier this month.

The Age and Sydney Morning Herald have been told by multiple sources that at least two other Australians who attended the event refused to be tested in Aspen because they were reluctant to interrupt their ski trips.



https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/wealthy-couple-return-from-skiing-with-coronavirus-then-do-not-self-isolate-20200325-p54du5.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/wealthy-couple-return-from-skiing-with-coronavirus-then-do-not-self-isolate-20200325-p54du5.html)
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Post by: plusnq on March 26, 2020, 10:01:35 AM
Why is it spreading?
The Rich think rules dont apply to them.

Arrest them
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 26, 2020, 10:04:39 AM
Working on a building site at the moment is not fun, especially when you are in charge of Health and Safety. We have up to 80 guys on site a day and keeping them apart is a pain, i find its the younger ones that do not respect the separation between people. I go home each night to a family that is in isolation and shower straight away, feels as though I am leading two lives at the moment.

GG
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Post by: Hairs on March 26, 2020, 10:04:42 AM
Saw that headline, but no details ???
Yeah, wasn't real informative.Hmmm.
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Post by: Hairs on March 26, 2020, 10:07:03 AM
I actually know Vic coppers who are in isolation. They had been overseas and had to go into lockdown. No different to others in the community. Report on the radio an hour or so ago also said others have come into contact through their day to day activities and no doubt some just have a runny nose and aren't welcome in the station. Not sure how many coppers there are in Vic but 200 is probably a very small percentage.
Yeah, 200 doesn't sound like many in the scheme of things, altho if the spread isn't pulled up, that will grow.
 :(
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Post by: Bad Scott on March 26, 2020, 10:08:20 AM
Working on a building site at the moment is not fun, especially when you are in charge of Health and Safety. We have up to 80 guys on site a day and keeping them apart is a pain, i find its the younger ones that do not respect the separation between people. I go home each night to a family that is in isolation and shower straight away, feels as though I am leading two lives at the moment.

GG
It won't be long before the site's shut down if people don't follow simple instructions.

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Post by: Mace on March 26, 2020, 10:08:38 AM
Why is it spreading?
The Rich think rules dont apply to them.

As reported a week or so ago in the Fin Review, Andrew Abercrombie and his partner were the couple in Aspen.  Past Treasurer of the Victorian Liberal Party.....
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Post by: #jonesy on March 26, 2020, 10:34:04 AM
Yeah, 200 doesn't sound like many in the scheme of things, altho if the spread isn't pulled up, that will grow.
 :(
14,000 roughly, about 15% on leave at any time and quite a large number on sick leave WorkCover etc, leaves about 10,000. So 200 is a fair chunk.
The equivalent of a few outer Metro police stations.
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Post by: Hairs on March 26, 2020, 11:06:07 AM
14,000 roughly, about 15% on leave at any time and quite a large number on sick leave WorkCover etc, leaves about 10,000. So 200 is a fair chunk.
The equivalent of a few outer Metro police stations.
Cheers jonesy
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Post by: Spada on March 26, 2020, 11:27:51 AM
just announced in Qld, schools to be "student free" from Monday, although it seems essential workers can still send the kids to school, and it appears "essential workers" means anyone with a job? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568)
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Post by: Bird on March 26, 2020, 11:37:44 AM
Quote from: Spada
just announced in Qld, schools to be "student free" from Monday, although it seems essential workers can still send the kids to school, and it appears "essential workers" means anyone with a job? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568)

it gets more confusing by the day doesnt it.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 26, 2020, 11:48:03 AM
just announced in Qld, schools to be "student free" from Monday, although it seems essential workers can still send the kids to school, and it appears "essential workers" means anyone with a job? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568)

& I can just tell how thrilled the kids will be to get told Sorry, I've got to work, so you're going into "care" at school over the "school holidays" >:D
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Post by: Fizzie on March 26, 2020, 11:49:26 AM
Arrest them

Yep, they should be arrested & isolated for 2 weeks by being locked up somewhere. If that's a motel room, rather than a cell, then fine >:(
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Post by: plusnq on March 26, 2020, 12:45:53 PM
Yep, they should be arrested & isolated for 2 weeks by being locked up somewhere. If that's a motel room, rather than a cell, then fine >:(

2 star only though
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Post by: Bird on March 26, 2020, 12:47:05 PM
Quote from: Fizzie
If that's a motel room, rather than a cell, then fine >:(
I'm not.. should be made an example of...  Rich spoilt ****wits.
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Post by: D4D on March 26, 2020, 12:56:22 PM
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec (https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec)
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Post by: Bird on March 26, 2020, 12:58:25 PM
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec (https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec)
Gee I am shocked... There was an article weeks ago some bloke at the airport had photos of all sorts of Shit being flown out of AU :(
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Post by: CTL on March 26, 2020, 01:55:40 PM
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec (https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec)

Imagine Aussie workers being told to do the same in an overseas country?  “Yeah, but I want overtime to do that” or maybe “nah, f**k that, not in my job description”
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Post by: Bird on March 26, 2020, 02:45:19 PM
Just talking to our people at our global head office - South Africa in lock down and India are in 21 day lock down

Its coming Folks.
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Post by: edz on March 26, 2020, 02:52:38 PM
Gee I am shocked... There was an article weeks ago some bloke at the airport had photos of all sorts of Shit being flown out of AU :(
Yeah, fancy that, comes as a real surprise,  not ..  Customs allowing it to be shipped and not asking questions in the current climate .. Someone must have doctored the paperwork or been paid well Huh .. My opinion of course ..

^^ Africa ..India ....Just like an Avalanche  of Shit it just keeps coming .... Birdman .
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Post by: banksy69 on March 26, 2020, 02:59:12 PM
Just a heads up to the Queenslanders, i have just gone into vote as I didn't want to stand in line on Saturday with thousands of people.
No hand sanitizer at the door and everyone is using the same pencil.
 ???
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Post by: Bigfish on March 26, 2020, 03:51:22 PM
Just a heads up to the Queenslanders, i have just gone into vote as I didn't want to stand in line on Saturday with thousands of people.
No hand sanitizer at the door and everyone is using the same pencil.
 ???

Yet the advert on tv said hand sanitizer would be on hand at station.  It did say to take own pencil though.

Once again we are seeing information that is wrong, complete bullShit, hypocritical and given out by govts that seem to be making rules/laws up on the run...30 minute haircut anyone?  Its ok,   its an essential service..FFS!!   HANGON ...WHATS AN ESSENTIAL SERICE Scotty from Advertising?...ANYONE WHO DRIVES TO WORK!!!    Unbelievable..
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Post by: tryagain on March 26, 2020, 04:23:50 PM
Yet the advert on tv said hand sanitizer would be on hand at station.  It did say to take own pencil though.

Once again we are seeing information that is wrong, complete bullShit, hypocritical and given out by govts that seem to be making rules/laws up on the run...30 minute haircut anyone?  Its ok,   its an essential service..FFS!!   HANGON ...WHATS AN ESSENTIAL SERICE Scotty from Advertising?...ANYONE WHO DRIVES TO WORK!!!    Unbelievable..

Don't get your knickers in a knot, Essential is a relative term, and it's Scotty from marketing  ;D
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Post by: Pete79 on March 26, 2020, 04:24:48 PM
Just a heads up to the Queenslanders, i have just gone into vote as I didn't want to stand in line on Saturday with thousands of people.
No hand sanitizer at the door and everyone is using the same pencil.
 ???
Going to be different at each booth I'm sure.
I voted yesterday and got pumped with hand sanitizer twice.

Only 2 people allowed inside the room at a time (1 person registering at the counter and 1 person voting in the booth).
Everyone else spaced more then 1m apart on the foot path starting from the marker that was 2m from the doorway.
The hand sanitizer nazi was strictly enforcing the 1m gap between people in the que. I almost felt like a naughty kid as I whispered to the guy in line behind me....

I commented that is was going to be a big day on polling day if they only let 1 person in at a time.
The hand sanitizer nazi didn't think that was very funny..... >:(
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Post by: Bird on March 26, 2020, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: tryagain
Essential is a relative term,
We've just been discussing it here at work.... every job seems essential still...
If Victoria go into full lockdown, we still come to work...
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Post by: Spada on March 26, 2020, 04:59:04 PM
just announced in Qld, schools to be "student free" from Monday, although it seems essential workers can still send the kids to school, and it appears "essential workers" means anyone with a job? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568)

Just got an email from the school, no formal classes from Monday. Any kid that turns up next week will herded into the school hall first, then broken into activity groups for the day. All kids are to clean out their lockers tomorrow in case they don't go back after the Easter holidays, and all "lessons" for the next week will be activities emailed to the kids to do online.
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Post by: Steffo1 on March 26, 2020, 05:40:02 PM
Yet the advert on tv said hand sanitizer would be on hand at station.  It did say to take own pencil though.

Once again we are seeing information that is wrong, complete bullShit, hypocritical and given out by govts that seem to be making rules/laws up on the run...30 minute haircut anyone?  Its ok,   its an essential service..FFS!!   HANGON ...WHATS AN ESSENTIAL SERICE Scotty from Advertising?...ANYONE WHO DRIVES TO WORK!!!    Unbelievable..

He's right!
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Post by: McGirr on March 26, 2020, 06:18:20 PM
Well as of 11.59pm tonight, we are in complete lockdown in the community.

We cannot leave and if we do we would need to self isolate for 14 days.

This includes everyone in the community.

What a bummer.....

Mark (now isolated)
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Post by: jk on March 26, 2020, 06:39:20 PM
Hope your well stocked up mate  :cheers:
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Post by: edz on March 26, 2020, 10:43:54 PM
Sounds a bit too familiar to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdgVHRBxKSk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdgVHRBxKSk)  .From the series " My Secret Terrius " .
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Post by: bkim on March 27, 2020, 01:14:36 AM
Just a heads up to the Queenslanders, i have just gone into vote as I didn't want to stand in line on Saturday with thousands of people.
No hand sanitizer at the door and everyone is using the same pencil.
 ???

When I voted in Townsville Thursday morning, they had 4 lines (very large building internally) approaching the registration desks to collect your voting papers, (eight desks, 2 for each line, all with over 2 m separation), they had over 2m separation in all directions between the voters in the lines (lines on the floor with directions prominently displayed) and the same at the voting booths and the ballot boxes, everybody was handed their own pencil when in the line, by a person wearing gloves and a mask, all pencils were put in a container when you exited.  Two staff were then wiping down all the pencils with sanitiser and bleach.

Once you were checked off on the electoral roll, both voting slips were printed out from printers on the desks, one printer for each registration point, you then picked up the voting papers yourself, the voting papers coming out of the printer vertically so didn't touch any equipment, so no physical contact between you and any staff in the building.

I felt that all the required precautions were being observed when I was there, so I was reasonably satisfied with the safety aspects
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Post by: Spada on March 27, 2020, 07:03:51 AM
When I voted in Townsville Thursday morning.........

.........I felt that all the required precautions were being observed when I was there, so I was reasonably satisfied with the safety aspects

Fair enough too I believe.

There has been a lot of carry on about the election still going ahead, and I suppose ideally it should have been put of for another 6 months (not sure how that fits with the legislation though). Personally, I recon the polling booths with their controlled ingress/egress and controlled people movements inside, and regular cleaning happening would make the polling booths a reasonably safe place to be, compared to the random and haphazard mingling of people and uncontrolled touching of everything that people seem happy to accept in Woolworths or Coles? How often are the basket and trolley handles being cleaned? and how many people have touched that packet on the shelf before you pick it up? Or what about the handle on the petrol bowser? have you used an elevator, or a pedestrian crossing button? did you sit on that bus/train seat, or stand and hold the handle? did you push the button to open the door on the train? was the toilet seat at work sanitised after every use? did you instinctively hold the rail on the public stairs or escalator? Did you open any doors at the shops or public places? have you used the pinpad on an eftpos or ATM?

Just sayin, when it comes to the spread of this virus there are far more dangerous places we all encounter every day than the polling booths will be, yet a section of public opinion seems to be fixated on the dangers of gathering to vote?
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Post by: D4D on March 27, 2020, 07:15:32 AM
Just sayin, when it comes to the spread of this virus there are far more dangerous places we all encounter every day than the polling booths will be, yet a section of public opinion seems to be fixated on the dangers of gathering to vote?

In reality your phone probably has more germs than the polling booth...
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Post by: Bigfish on March 27, 2020, 07:18:19 AM
In reality your phone probably has more germs than the polling booth...

The mobile phone is one of the filthiest things your hands will ever touch.
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Post by: Bad Scott on March 27, 2020, 07:21:46 AM
The mobile phone is one of the filthiest things your hands will ever touch.
Definitely. Especially from some of the groups I’m in  >:D
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Post by: Spada on March 27, 2020, 07:54:01 AM
This site might be interesting to watch, hopefully they'll debunk a lot of the mis-information that is being spread on social (and even mainstream) media? - https://www.abc.net.au/news/factcheck/ (https://www.abc.net.au/news/factcheck/)
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Post by: Fizzie on March 27, 2020, 08:54:52 AM
Well as of 11.59pm tonight, we are in complete lockdown in the community.

We cannot leave and if we do we would need to self isolate for 14 days.

This includes everyone in the community.

What a bummer.....

Mark (now isolated)

So how's that going to work, Mark ???

Are you supposed to go around to every house & deliver food, somebody comes to the store to collect, or, once again, will they start thinking about those fine details sometime over the next few days ??? ::)
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Post by: Hairs on March 27, 2020, 10:27:13 AM
So true(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200327/9fd734e3ccebacf4c9e4c5eb11708547.jpg)
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Post by: Fizzie on March 27, 2020, 12:40:44 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-27/coronavirus-covid19-cases-victoria-community-transmission-rises/12095892 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-27/coronavirus-covid19-cases-victoria-community-transmission-rises/12095892)

FFS, just stay home! >:(
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Post by: Bird on March 27, 2020, 12:53:11 PM
Premier Daniel Andrews not expected to announce further restrictions today

While Daniel Andrews is widely expected to introduce 'stage three' restrictions, his office has made clear that his 3pm press conference will be an update only, with no major announcements, and he will not announce further restrictions today.
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Post by: rockrat on March 27, 2020, 01:04:55 PM
I wonder how long it will be before the big law firms start class actions against the operators of the Ruby Princess and the NSW government. It is pretty clear they both failed in their duty of care to every single person in Australia.


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 27, 2020, 01:26:51 PM
PM live
https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/210759726857043/ (https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/210759726857043/)
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Post by: tryagain on March 27, 2020, 01:47:47 PM
A good article not trying to sensationalise everything. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-less-deaths-hospitalisations-in-first-1000-cases/news-story/20d92384fdcb1bdcd8ddeaf3630d1030#share-and-comment-and-comment (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-less-deaths-hospitalisations-in-first-1000-cases/news-story/20d92384fdcb1bdcd8ddeaf3630d1030#share-and-comment-and-comment)
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Post by: hardroad on March 27, 2020, 02:34:43 PM
You can not get infected from someone until 24 hours before they show symptoms. This is the Dutton law.
You can not get infected by rubbing your hands through someones hair, unless its for more than 30 minutes.
You cant infect someone after you get off a flight while traveling to your house. However you can infect someone once you get to your house and up to 14 days later.
Children can not get infected while at school.
You can't get infected if you vote for the tools who make rules
Wait. You cant get infected by rubbing your hands through someones hair for any amount of time.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 27, 2020, 02:54:52 PM
PM live
https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/210759726857043/ (https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/210759726857043/)

Andrews Live (Vic)
https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/603471673716321/ (https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/603471673716321/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 27, 2020, 04:48:57 PM
Western Australian Premier has announced that:
"We've made the extremely difficult and completely unprecedented decision to shut down travel between WA's regions.

From midnight Tuesday, restrictions will be placed on travel within the entire State of Western Australia.

Western Australians will not be permitted to leave their regional boundary."
If you are currently away from home - you need to come back. Now.

If you were planning a trip - you cannot go.
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Post by: McGirr on March 27, 2020, 08:08:28 PM
So how's that going to work, Mark ???

Are you supposed to go around to every house & deliver food, somebody comes to the store to collect, or, once again, will they start thinking about those fine details sometime over the next few days ??? ::)

The store stays open until things do happen. If the virus breaks out then the company will start 4 hr trading, card only no cash and no local workers.

Unfortunately it sounds great in theory but impossible to do. Time will tell.

Mark
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Post by: Bad Scott on March 28, 2020, 04:50:59 AM
^^^^


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Post by: tryagain on March 28, 2020, 07:39:07 AM
Shits all over our premier, what’s her name again, umm, actually do we still have someone running this state??

Current premier announcement count as seen on my tv:
NSW = 20+
VIC = 20+
TAS = 10+
SA = 2
WA = 1
NT = 0
ACT = 0
QLD = 2  ( 1 saying the border is closed and the other saying the election is still on)

Credit where it's due, our accidental Premier learnt from to the last one who was turfed for making to many changes, so she on the whole avoids making decisions, can't get it wrong that way.
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Post by: rockrat on March 28, 2020, 09:04:33 AM
You know the world’s in turmoil when we’re complaining about our pollies not talking enough


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Post by: glenm64 on March 28, 2020, 08:32:47 PM
Said it before and I'll say it again. We are a nation of selfish pricks.
Next step total lock down and they will wonder why.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162569/Oblivious-sunbathers-popular-beach-ignore-blatant-warnings-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html

Cheers Glen

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Post by: Raym on March 28, 2020, 08:58:44 PM
This was an interesting watch. The Korean experience from their top medic in the field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAk7aX5hksU
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Post by: hardroad on March 29, 2020, 07:53:58 AM
Said it before and I'll say it again. We are a nation of selfish pricks.
Next step total lock down and they will wonder why.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162569/Oblivious-sunbathers-popular-beach-ignore-blatant-warnings-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html

Cheers Glen
Maybe if the politicians got their act together and didn't confuse the issue or better still, told the whole truth then we would be better informed to make non selfish acts. Hell the beaches are closed but you can swim, run, surf or walk the dog. Seriously where is the consistency??? https://sgst.com.au/2020/03/not-confused-about-beach-closures/
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Post by: tryagain on March 29, 2020, 09:58:20 AM
Maybe if the politicians got their act together and didn't confuse the issue or better still, told the whole truth then we would be better informed to make non selfish acts. Hell the beaches are closed but you can swim, run, surf or walk the dog. Seriously where is the consistency??? https://sgst.com.au/2020/03/not-confused-about-beach-closures/

I don't think they have done a bad job (both lib and lab leaders) , if you make half an effort you easily find out what you are supposed  to do you can easily find out. They all seem to be taking the advice of the experts and making decisions based on that, the bigger issue is that the Dunning Krueger effect seems to be in full swing in the broader public.
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Post by: Bird on March 29, 2020, 10:25:40 AM
I don't think they have done a bad job (both lib and lab leaders)
hate to say it but same
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Post by: Paddler Ed on March 29, 2020, 10:38:53 AM
...the bigger issue is that the Dunning Krueger effect seems to be in full swing in the broader public.

Just remember that 50% of the population are of below average intelligence, and they have to legislate for that...

However, in saying that, the Sydney Eastern Suburbs seem to be a breeding ground for C-19 in part due to a lack of common sense... but that was already quite well known...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 29, 2020, 11:50:06 AM
Just remember that 50% of the population are of below average intelligence, and they have to legislate for that...

However, in saying that, the Sydney Eastern Suburbs seem to be a breeding ground for C-19 in part due to a lack of common sense... but that was already quite well known...

The other probably bigger issue that leads to the Dunning Krueger effect is people getting their "news" from social media, take in too much of that and anyone could get confused/wrong.
With the eastern suburbs (and northern) getting it the worst, my guess is that those areas have a greater proportion of overseas travelers which leads to them getting worse first as that is where 2/3 of cases have come from so far, the other 1/3 is mostly direct contact of them.
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Post by: gronk on March 29, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
Just remember that 50% of the population are of below average intelligence,

Do you know what the average IQ is ? I want to know if I just sneak into the above average ??   ;D ;D
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Post by: Bigfish on March 29, 2020, 01:16:10 PM
Do you know what the average IQ is ? I want to know if I just sneak into the above average ??   ;D ;D

At  the moment there are many out there with the I.Q. of a shoe.  They have a room full of dunny rolls, 2 freezers full of mincemeat, hold corona virus parties, take the kids shopping  and insist that rules dont apply to them..
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Post by: Kangaron on March 29, 2020, 01:46:59 PM
The most number of cases in Melbourne are centered in the Stonnington municipality, the most affluent in Victoria.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 29, 2020, 01:49:21 PM
The most number of cases in Melbourne are centered in the Stonnington municipality, the most affluent in Victoria.

That goes to the opposite end of the same problem - I'm rich, so rules don't apply to me, & so I can continue to do whatever I like >:(
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Post by: rockrat on March 29, 2020, 01:57:48 PM
No doubt our politicians are listening to the experts they choose to listen to, but there are experts out there with a contradictory view. You just need to see the different responses of different governments all around the world, all of which I am sure are based on the expert advice provided to them (notwithstanding the fact that Trump always has and always will march to his own beat).

The biggest problem with our politicians is the lack of clarity and consistency. Compare them to Jacinda Adern and it is clear to see. NZ may or may not be going down the right path, but at least that path seems clear.


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Post by: plusnq on March 29, 2020, 02:17:49 PM
The most number of cases in Melbourne are centered in the Stonnington municipality, the most affluent in Victoria.

Probably international travel related.
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Post by: alnjan on March 29, 2020, 02:34:15 PM
Said it before and I'll say it again. We are a nation of selfish pricks.
Next step total lock down and they will wonder why.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162569/Oblivious-sunbathers-popular-beach-ignore-blatant-warnings-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html

Cheers Glen

Pretty sad to think the Governments have believe in the people would listen and do the 'right' thing and some of the people showed just how irresponsible they can be.  No wonder we have bans and restrictions with a total lockdown to come. 
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Post by: Fizzie on March 29, 2020, 02:45:25 PM
Pretty sad to think the Governments have believe in the people would listen and do the 'right' thing and some of the people showed just how irresponsible they can be.  No wonder we have bans and restrictions with a total lockdown to come.

& when that happens, you'll still find the same people out wandering, going to the beach, each other's places & so on.

Then when they (hopefully ??? :'() get pinged for it, just wait for it - Us ??? What do you mean, the rules apply to everybody ??? Nobody told me >:(
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Post by: Hairs on March 29, 2020, 03:07:32 PM
It isn't that hard.
Home delivery.
Adapt, deal wirh it, overcome it.

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Post by: Kangaron on March 29, 2020, 03:27:41 PM
Probably international travel related.

Spot on, that is why the local schools, St Catherines, Loretto Mandeville etc closed early.My girls went to Loretto and constantly complained that we went to Eildon or the beach on a the holidays and all their class mates went to the Greek islands for the week.
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Post by: Brij on March 29, 2020, 05:24:20 PM
Probably international travel related.

Pretty well correct.

This site has been down all day
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiODBmMmE3NWQtZWNlNC00OWRkLTk1NjYtMjM2YTY1MjI2NzdjIiwidCI6ImMwZTA2MDFmLTBmYWMtNDQ5Yy05Yzg4LWExMDRjNGViOWYyOCJ9 (https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiODBmMmE3NWQtZWNlNC00OWRkLTk1NjYtMjM2YTY1MjI2NzdjIiwidCI6ImMwZTA2MDFmLTBmYWMtNDQ5Yy05Yzg4LWExMDRjNGViOWYyOCJ9) but I have been watching the figures as the numbers increase.

From memory yesterday about 92% of Victoria's infected people had either just returned from overseas, or had aquired the virus from someone who had just retruned from overseas (ie assume mainly family members).

I think only 20 people had been confirmed as picking up the virus locally, from unknown sources, but about 100 still under investigation. 

I also looked at NSW government website last night. It showed similar percentage.

Listening to the Qld premier this morning she gave me the impression they didn't have any community infections yet. All positive results were confined to overseas travellers, or infected by the returning travellers.
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Post by: gronk on March 29, 2020, 05:46:23 PM
(notwithstanding the fact that Trump always has and always will march to his own beat).




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Trump is good at talking himself up, and shoots from the mouth, not the brain, but a day later rolls over and complies with his own medical advice.
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Post by: rockrat on March 29, 2020, 06:05:37 PM
Trump is good at talking himself up, and shoots from the mouth, not the brain, but a day later rolls over and complies with his own medical advice.
Yep, he's the master of throwing a few scraps of red meat to his supporter base!
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Post by: plusnq on March 29, 2020, 07:00:41 PM
Yep, he's the master of throwing a few scraps of red meat to his supporter base!

Reminds me of Keating
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Post by: alnjan on March 29, 2020, 07:01:07 PM
?? BREAKING NEWS - SUNDAY 29/3 - 7PM ??

?? UPDATE FROM THE PM & NATIONAL CABINET:

Following tonight’s National Cabinet meeting, the PM and Chief Medical Officer have announced the following:

🚫 Further restrictions will be introduced on public gatherings

🚫 Public gatherings should be restricted to no more than 2 people (down from 10 currently) outside of your household and except for employment and education which should take into account appropriate social distancing.

🚫 In public areas, public playgrounds and skate parks will be closed from tomorrow.

🛑 People aged 70 and over should stay at home and self-isolate for their own protection to maximum extent possible.

?? On commercial tenancies:

- State and territories will be moving to put a moratorium on evictions of persons as a result of financial distress for next 6 months.

- We want landlords to engage with their tenants: on other side of this, we want landlord to have a tenant that can pay rent and for the business to be able to go on and operate and employ people

💉 Latest medical advice is:
For individuals, strong advice is you must stay at home except to
👉 shop for what you need, food and other essential supplies and do it as infrequently as possible;
👉 get medical care or for compassionate needs
👉 to exercise
👉 for work and education if you cannot work or learn remotely.

👉👉👉 Details on all the above to follow as they come to hand.

?? 16 people have now lost their lives to the coronavirus including 2 deaths today

?? We have the highest rates of testing in the world and one of lowest positive test rates – we are confident we are testing the majority of cases in Australia.

?? About 1600 people went into quarantine today after arriving back from overseas.

?? The daily rate of increase is falling – from 25-30% last week to 9%. But it’s not enough and we have to slow it further - we need to continue to do things that will save lives and livelihoods.

🛑 And for these kind of interventions to work, we need more than 90% of the population to follow them

💻 Tech is helping us get important messages out around coronavirus:

?? You can download a new Coronavirus app for both Apple and Android or join the WhatsApp channel aus.gov.au/whatsapp
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Post by: Hairs on March 29, 2020, 07:53:00 PM
While having a few cold ones of Coopers Pale Ale(shameless plug for an Australian company :) ) I did a ring around of our 4wd club members, just to ask, R U OK.
Look out for each other.

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Post by: Bad Scott on March 29, 2020, 07:55:04 PM
Onya Hairs. That's the Aussie spirit.

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Post by: Hairs on March 29, 2020, 08:03:06 PM
Onya Hairs. That's the Aussie spirit.

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As simple as it may seem,
A phone call can mean so much to someone.
Sheeesh, it even does wonders for my own sense of worth & wellbeing.
Makes my day.

Cheers mate.
Thank you.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 29, 2020, 08:07:30 PM
Just watching a specialist on disease being interviewed on channel 7 and he said that  we will be at least 6 months with the conditions imposed on us at the moment.  He said that there are just so many unknowns that it is even possible we may be 12-18 months living in the same state as we are now...no easy or quick fix.  Just have to hope a vaccine can be found and produced asap....not real good news eh?
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Post by: Hairs on March 29, 2020, 08:23:44 PM
Just watching a specialist on disease being interviewed on channel 7 and he said that  we will be at least 6 months with the conditions imposed on us at the moment.  He said that there are just so many unknowns that it is even possible we may be 12-18 months living in the same state as we are now...no easy or quick fix.  Just have to hope a vaccine can be found and produced asap....not real good news eh?
We, Australians have this awesome thing, freedom of movement.
This is farken with people like nothing has for over 75 years.
We, all of us have to come to terms with a change, a reset, our world has changed.

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Post by: tryagain on March 29, 2020, 08:27:54 PM
Just watching a specialist on disease being interviewed on channel 7 and he said that  we will be at least 6 months with the conditions imposed on us at the moment.  He said that there are just so many unknowns that it is even possible we may be 12-18 months living in the same state as we are now...no easy or quick fix.  Just have to hope a vaccine can be found and produced asap....not real good news eh?

This is what those who call for a lockdown don't seem to get, it's not shut down for a few weeks and then back to normal, whatever we do needs to be for the long haul, If you can believe China, they got on-top of it but that took 2 months of total lockdown to the point of welding people's doors shut so they couldn't get out, now they have pulled back the restrictions somewhat, but they are still far more severe than we have here.

NZ seem to be having a shot ar the eradication route, will be interesting to see if it's successful.
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Post by: Bird on March 29, 2020, 09:56:09 PM
Quote from: tryagain
If you can believe China, they got on-top of it but that took 2 months of total lockdown to the point of welding people's doors shut so they couldn't get out,
can I phone a friend, or swap questions please.  ;D ;D ;D ;D


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NZ seem to be having a shot ar the eradication route, will be interesting to see if it's successful.
I hope we arent waiting for the results..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 30, 2020, 05:03:02 AM
The most number of cases in Melbourne are centered in the Stonnington municipality, the most affluent in Victoria.

Just where I am working at the moment. Go from a place of isolation and quiet on the weekend at our place and drive into this madhouse.

GG
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bad Scott on March 30, 2020, 05:06:50 AM
Just where I am working at the moment. Go from a place of isolation and quiet on the weekend at our place and drive into this madhouse.

GG
I found a “small” spray bottle of 70% ethanol in the shed yesterday. I Should be good for a fair while  ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 30, 2020, 06:29:41 AM
I found a “small” spray bottle of 70% ethanol in the shed yesterday. I Should be good for a fair while  ;D

Mixed with coca cola you should be right for a while.... :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 30, 2020, 10:03:18 AM
As my old man will be 90 this year, if he survives through this madness, I just organised for his shopping to be done for the next six weeks for him.  All done via My Aged Care (Ph 1800 200 422) for his local Blue Care to help him out.  Due to where he lives there is no on-line shopping for him.     

Joys of being interstate and not being able to be in two or more places at once. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 30, 2020, 10:23:09 AM
Another option from Woolworths

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/page/woolworths-basics-box (https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/page/woolworths-basics-box)

Helping the most vulnerable in our communities
Woolworths Basics Box $80 inc. delivery
Currently available for delivery to ACT, NSW and VIC



What is the Woolworths Basics Box?

It’s just that, the basics.

We’ve created the Woolworths Basics Box to help provide meals, snacks and a few essential items for those in genuine need. It’s not perfect - it doesn’t include everything and is likely to be different to what you’d normally buy. You’re also not able to choose, switch or select the products you’ll receive - but by removing choice we’re able to get more boxes to more vulnerable customers faster.

The list below is an example of what may be included in your Woolworths Basics Box. While some products will vary due to stock availability, we will always aim to provide a similar range of products. Unfortunately we are currently unable to cater for specific dietary requirements.

A limit of 2 boxes per customer, per fortnight applies.



Another option
https://harrisfarmexpress.com.au (https://harrisfarmexpress.com.au)


Harris Farm Express = Simple Food Boxes

This service has been set up to give our customers an alternative to shopping in store, or through our normal online delivery site which might be congested due to a high volume of orders.  First delivery Tuesday 24 march!

By eliminating choice, we can offer a much faster service throughout this difficult time.

To bring this service to you, we have partnered with a restaurant supplier who is doing it tough in this National Crisis.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 30, 2020, 05:32:32 PM
The latest package from the Fed gov actually looks pretty well thought out.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-30/coronavirus-wage-subsidies-government-businesses-workers/12103108 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-30/coronavirus-wage-subsidies-government-businesses-workers/12103108)

I know it's not the Australian thing to do (should be whinging), but I actually think the Gov is doing and has done a pretty good job, that includes both sides of politics. Just have to look at Trump over in the states to see how badly it can be handled.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 30, 2020, 06:04:48 PM
Wonder how soon it will take to be put in place though ..
 EDIT : 1 May   .. Being stood down again, Last shift tonite, hope our lot will take up the offer, No guarantee's there ..
 Hard to keep track of all the differing offers / hourly changes / apply here n there  etc ..
 Now to work out what to do about getting through till 1 May . Pull holidays or hit the savings . Just have to play the Mushroom game for a while, I guess ..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 30, 2020, 07:03:13 PM
The latest package from the Fed gov actually looks pretty well thought out.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-30/coronavirus-wage-subsidies-government-businesses-workers/12103108 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-30/coronavirus-wage-subsidies-government-businesses-workers/12103108)

I know it's not the Australian thing to do (should be whinging), but I actually think the Gov is doing and has done a pretty good job, that includes both sides of politics. Just have to look at Trump over in the states to see how badly it can be handled.
My wife should benefit from this  :cup:
My only gripe is that there are a lot of casuals who don't stay 12 months with the one employer. If they are lucky they will get the increased Jobseeker payment but only if they are eligible (eg as long as their partner doesn't earn too much). 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 30, 2020, 07:22:24 PM
My wife should benefit from this  :cup:
My only gripe is that there are a lot of casuals who don't stay 12 months with the one employer. If they are lucky they will get the increased Jobseeker payment but only if they are eligible (eg as long as their partner doesn't earn too much).

I know there are a lot of casual workers with no choice, but for the ones who prefer to be casual ( bigger pay is the main incentive ), this is one of the drawbacks.
As for partners earning too much, I've heard a lot of people complain about this, but, if a partner is earning too much , then they don't need the extra money.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 30, 2020, 07:47:31 PM
I know there are a lot of casual workers with no choice, but for the ones who prefer to be casual ( bigger pay is the main incentive ), this is one of the drawbacks.
As for partners earning too much, I've heard a lot of people complain about this, but, if a partner is earning too much , then they don't need the extra money.
I think you are wrong on both counts.

At the end of all this, the rich will be richer, the poor will be poorer and the middle class will be decimated. Those who supposedly don't need the money will no longer be able to pay their mortgage so they will need to sell, everyone's house price will plummet, discretionary spending will dry up for many years and taxes will either need to increase or services will need to be cut.  A huge number of retail and hospitality companies and jobs will disappear forever. 

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on March 30, 2020, 08:51:13 PM
Son #2 left his old job of 6 years about 4 months ago, and started a new job as a casual. It was meant to be 6 months casual then permanent. Dont need to tell you what happened last week.


Cheers Glen

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bmwfreak on March 30, 2020, 08:56:44 PM
I’m sure I’m not the only Swagger noticing that self funded retirees, have not been given any air time whatsoever during the discussions re the financial security/support. Most, if not all, rely on superannuation for their livelihood. The super funds have taken a hit only comparable the the Great Depression in the late 20’s & 30’s. We are hurting as much, or more than working people who have lost their jobs. We can’t go on newstart to bolster our income, as they can.
Old age pensioners also seem to have been left out of the media ‘drama’
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on March 30, 2020, 09:26:10 PM
I’m sure I’m not the only Swagger noticing that self funded retirees, have not been given any air time whatsoever during the discussions re the financial security/support. Most, if not all, rely on superannuation for their livelihood. The super funds have taken a hit only comparable the the Great Depression in the late 20’s & 30’s. We are hurting as much, or more than working people who have lost their jobs. We can’t go on newstart to bolster our income, as they can.
Old age pensioners also seem to have been left out of the media ‘drama’

x10000000

We talked to our doctor a couple of months ago and he did a couple tests on me. Diminished memory at 73 gave Bronny  a carers subsidy which helps a bit, so hopefully we'll get the $750 each. But I've had to cut my fortnightly payment from my super to $300 p/f, my pension is about $750 p/f so we now have a whole $1000 p/f ($500 p/w)to live on, lucky the house and car is paid for.
Really happy after working and paying tax's for 52 years  :'( :'( :'( and getting the dole for 4 weeks in Mr Keatings recession that we had to have  >:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 30, 2020, 09:48:51 PM
I think you are wrong on both counts.

. Those who supposedly don't need the money will no longer be able to pay their mortgage so they will need to sell,

For one, this thing will only last a certain time, and mortgage relief will probably last the same amount of time. This all may be a wake up call to all the people who have overcapitalised in this modern world of having the best...but needing two wages to pay for it all. Don't worry, I have family in the same boat !

I'll start ducking now !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on March 30, 2020, 09:56:06 PM
For one, this thing will only last a certain time, and mortgage relief will probably last the same amount of time. This all may be a wake up call to all the people who have overcapitalised in this modern world of having the best...but needing two wages to pay for it all. Don't worry, I have family in the same boat !

I'll start ducking now !!

Don't tell me you think people might actually have to start to budget for items like we did 30 or 40 years ago ?   :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 30, 2020, 10:07:37 PM
For one, this thing will only last a certain time, and mortgage relief will probably last the same amount of time. This all may be a wake up call to all the people who have overcapitalised in this modern world of having the best...but needing two wages to pay for it all. Don't worry, I have family in the same boat !

I'll start ducking now !!

It's surprising what you actually need to live on - we live pretty much on wife's wage (2IC in a supermarket department, so not that different to the national median wage) as my work is Part time whilst I self-fund a PhD and pay rent from the 20hrs a week I work.

OK, we're renting, but that is as much due to our circumstances.

We have 5 vehicles for rego and 1 camper trailer; admittedly I do all the work on both Land Cruisers myself, and one of the 3 bikes, so that keeps costs down. Also the Land Cruisers were not that expensive really to purchase, and are still worth what we paid for them (if not more).

We can also book a trip back to the UK about every 2-3years (we were due to go in May this year....) and do a few trips around locally here.

Whilst it's unstable at the moment, we've tightened the budget a bit, but we can still decide to buy something if it's the right price without having to borrow money for it.

The main thing is we own as much as we can outright, and budget ahead (we've just got our phone bills down to $10ish a month, and paid for the next 12months, whilst we both own our phones outright).

I think we also fit into the slow fashion movement as well; we'll spend a bit on clothes, but then they last (Wrangler jeans are $70ish, but they last for about 2 years before retiring to yard work only grade - and I use them nearly everyday) for a lot longer.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: hardroad on March 31, 2020, 06:45:14 AM
I would like to know what the stimulus payments will do. The retail sector has been decimated. The tourist industry is nonexistent. Not sure what mining is doing, assume China shutdown has slowed that dramatically. Pubs, registered and licenced clubs, gyms and indoor sporting venues, Cinemas, entertainment venues, casinos, restaurants and cafes (restricted to takeaway and/or home delivery), all shut. Sport gone. Plus others I can't think of at the moment. What is left to stimulate???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 31, 2020, 06:51:14 AM
Wonder how soon it will take to be put in place though ..
 EDIT : 1 May   
 

From what I understand, the incentive is being paid to the employer as a rebate for keeping workers on the payroll, and will be effective from now. So workers will need to remain on the books and continue to be paid by their employer, and backdated rebates will flow to the employer from May 1st. The aim is to keep people on the employers books instead of the unemployment list so that when things return to normal the workforce will be close to what it was? Wont prevent all job losses, but should help mitigate the unemployment situation? and might also remove some of the pressure on the Centrelink system?

Mrs Spada (who is a payroll manager for a largish Aus company) is a bit concerned about the workload involved in managing it though, as the fine details are yet to be finalised? I believe it is forecast to be in place for upwards of 6 months? I'm guessing employees will only be on base wage (no overtime, penalties, entitlements) but in many cases that may be in line with what they would get from Centerlink?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 31, 2020, 06:56:41 AM
I would like to know what the stimulus payments will do. The retail sector has been decimated. The tourist industry is nonexistent. Not sure what mining is doing, assume China shutdown has slowed that dramatically. Pubs, registered and licenced clubs, gyms and indoor sporting venues, Cinemas, entertainment venues, casinos, restaurants and cafes (restricted to takeaway and/or home delivery), all shut. Sport gone. Plus others I can't think of at the moment. What is left to stimulate???

Simple mate...get a few take away meals from local shops in your area. Find out what stores are open and buy from them...we are not in a total lock down yet. . Use a local  bloke to cut your grass (even if you normally do it), Have a look on your local community facebook page...always someone willing do to do something.  Buy $100 worth of pet food and donate to the local kennels/rspca/animal shelter.  Dont forget we still have many bush fire victims...donate a few dollars to their cause. Put a deposit on a weekend away in a bush fire affected region....I,m sure you,ll think of a way of spending..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 31, 2020, 08:44:54 AM
W.A. going in hard against the scumbags in society...
Bloody great idea. We need tougher , enforceable penalties like this across Australia now...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/wa-coronavirus-crime-plan-for-jail-terms-and-electronic-tracking/12104286
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on March 31, 2020, 08:58:41 AM
W.A. going in hard against the scumbags in society...
Bloody great idea. We need tougher , enforceable penalties like this across Australia now...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/wa-coronavirus-crime-plan-for-jail-terms-and-electronic-tracking/12104286
Should be done every where 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 31, 2020, 09:17:56 AM
This guy will NEED 6 mths jail to recover... :D

https://www.wsfm.com.au/lifestyle/the-king-of-thailand-is-isolating-with-his-harem-of-20-concubines-honestly-goals/ (https://www.wsfm.com.au/lifestyle/the-king-of-thailand-is-isolating-with-his-harem-of-20-concubines-honestly-goals/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 31, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
These payments they are calling support payments, not stimulus payments (the first $750 was a stimulus package before the severity of it was evident)

I don't think it's the Govs role to give you enough to make the car payments on your new car and your mortgage on your Mcmansion, or whatever lifestyle choices you have made. Enough to put a modest roof over your head and some food on the table which I think the amounts they are giving away generally allow you to do, they are not here to keep you in the lifestyle you might like in the suburb of your choice, no body forced you to overextended yourself by taking a loan out for everything.

Pensioners are about to receive $750 on top of what they normally get, which hasn't gone down at all and there is another at a later date.

Most self funded retirees have seen a hit to their super, but that's to do with the risk portfolio they have taken with it, if they had choosen cash and government bonds, it wouldn't have gone down at all, but most  choose a higher risk option, as although overtime it goes up and down, on the whole it goes up more which it is likely to do again in a year or so.

I think most gripes people have are more to do with the choices they have made  than a lack of government action.

And whilst I am at it, unemployment benefits only normally account for about 6% of the taxes you pay, I view it more like an insurance policy, if you never have had to claim on it ( and I haven't yet), it's generally a good thing, but that doesn't mean it's not worth having, and just because you have paid the premium for years, it doesn't mean you are entitled to something extra than the coverage/safety net you have received over that time.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 31, 2020, 09:51:59 AM
But I've had to cut my fortnightly payment from my super to $300 p/f, my pension is about $750 p/f so we now have a whole $1000 p/f ($500 p/w)to live on,

Just reading the news this morning

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/coronavirus-wage-subsidy-stimulus-business/12104222 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/coronavirus-wage-subsidy-stimulus-business/12104222)

"At around $39,000 a year, the new payment is close to 70 per cent of the typical (median) wage in Australia of $58,000, or about half of the median full-time wage. By contrast, the previously announced increase in the Jobseeker allowance offers sacked workers close to $29,000 a year, or half of median earnings."

& there were lots of complaints that nobody could afford to live on that amount!

"For low and middle-income households, these higher payments give them a good chance of covering the rent and bills."

But Newstart is normally only about $13k p.a., so you have to wonder how any of us on that are still here! :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 31, 2020, 09:55:19 AM
From what I understand, the incentive is being paid to the employer as a rebate for keeping workers on the payroll

What worries me is how many scumbag employers will say "Thanks, very much - that gives me the chance to upgrade last year's BMW to this year's model, pay off the mortgage on my holiday house & so on :'( >:( Employee's pay ??? Phht, who cares about them!" >:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 31, 2020, 10:19:51 AM
These payments they are calling support payments, not stimulus payments (the first $750 was a stimulus package before the severity of it was evident)

I don't think it's the Govs role to give you enough to make the car payments on your new car and your mortgage on your Mcmansion, or whatever lifestyle choices you have made. Enough to put a modest roof over your head and some food on the table which I think the amounts they are giving away generally allow you to do, they are not here to keep you in the lifestyle you might like in the suburb of your choice, no body forced you to overextended yourself by taking a loan out for everything.

Pensioners are about to receive $750 on top of what they normally get, which hasn't gone down at all and there is another at a later date.

Most self funded retirees have seen a hit to their super, but that's to do with the risk portfolio they have taken with it, if they had choosen cash and government bonds, it wouldn't have gone down at all, but most  choose a higher risk option, as although overtime it goes up and down, on the whole it goes up more which it is likely to do again in a year or so.

I think most gripes people have are more to do with the choices they have made  than a lack of government action.

And whilst I am at it, unemployment benefits only normally account for about 6% of the taxes you pay, I view it more like an insurance policy, if you never have had to claim on it ( and I haven't yet), it's generally a good thing, but that doesn't mean it's not worth having, and just because you have paid the premium for years, it doesn't mean you are entitled to something extra than the coverage/safety net you have received over that time.

Even if they had chosen cash and bonds it would have gone down.  You have to take out a minimum of 5% if on an income stream. Say you have $100,000..thats $5000 you must take out. Cash you might have made $2000  Bonds..$2500.  If you invest in superannuation and only invested in cash and govt bonds then your a fool and missing out on what a balanced portfolio will produce. Interest on many well managed  super funds was around 10% last financial year.  Cash and bonds was about 3-4%. Like many I have taken a decent hit (around 10% currently)..but I have also got a well balanced super scheme and know that over the years my super has risen significantly due to good % rises overall.

This is why it is extremely important for people to follow their super schemes and check on its performance.  If there is more panic selling then putting a good percentage of your super into cash will be a good thing.  Things will get better and what you lose on the swings you make up on the slides!!    :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 31, 2020, 10:37:27 AM
If there is more panic selling then putting a good percentage of your super into cash will be a good thing. 

But if you do, that forces the Super fund to sell shares on a depressed market, so they can pay you out, which then pushes the market down further, so more people panic & want to get their Super out, which ... :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 31, 2020, 10:42:41 AM
What worries me is how many scumbag employers will say "Thanks, very much - that gives me the chance to upgrade last year's BMW to this year's model, pay off the mortgage on my holiday house & so on :'( >:( Employee's pay ??? Phht, who cares about them!" >:(

That's a fair concern, and scum will always be scum.
But without understanding the full and final package, I believe the employees will need to continue to be paid before the employer will receive any rebate. So no cash out equals no cash in? I'd suspect businesses will need to apply for the wage supplement, and I believe they will be required to demonstrate that they have suffered a minimum %'age of revenue losses, and I'd imagine that there would be some sort of TFN matching to payroll amounts during the period claimed (that's just a guess though). I've no doubt that like every form of government assistance there will be rorters seeking a way to benefit though.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 31, 2020, 10:50:29 AM
What worries me is how many scumbag employers will say "Thanks, very much - that gives me the chance to upgrade last year's BMW to this year's model, pay off the mortgage on my holiday house & so on :'( >:( Employee's pay ??? Phht, who cares about them!" >:(
absolutely the first thing I said/thought of too..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 31, 2020, 11:17:01 AM
& it looks like it could get really bad ??? :'(

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/coronavirus-countries-infection-rates-most-vulnerable/12085816 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/coronavirus-countries-infection-rates-most-vulnerable/12085816)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on March 31, 2020, 11:24:19 AM
& it looks like it could get really bad ??? :'(

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/coronavirus-countries-infection-rates-most-vulnerable/12085816 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/coronavirus-countries-infection-rates-most-vulnerable/12085816)

It's going to decimate third world countries. As if they don't have it bad enough already.
Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 31, 2020, 11:28:58 AM
Don't tell me you think people might actually have to start to budget for items like we did 30 or 40 years ago ?   :cheers:
Ahh, yes the good old days....

All of those ungrateful kids of today that can’t afford to buy a house that’s worth 6 times their annual wage.
If only they could be like those good old timers that scrimped and saved to buy a house for twice their annual wage.... ;)


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 31, 2020, 11:37:13 AM
What worries me is how many scumbag employers will say "Thanks, very much - that gives me the chance to upgrade last year's BMW to this year's model, pay off the mortgage on my holiday house & so on :'( >:( Employee's pay ??? Phht, who cares about them!" >:(

It's the ATO who are tasked to enforce it, they have pretty full-on powers when you look into it, also access to the businesses financials as well. There will always be some who try (and some of those might succeed) to rort it, but seems pretty robust, and if people know about businesses trying to rort it, they should call it out.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 31, 2020, 11:44:55 AM
Even if they had chosen cash and bonds it would have gone down.  You have to take out a minimum of 5% if on an income stream. Say you have $100,000..thats $5000 you must take out. Cash you might have made $2000  Bonds..$2500.  If you invest in superannuation and only invested in cash and govt bonds then your a fool and missing out on what a balanced portfolio will produce. Interest on many well managed  super funds was around 10% last financial year.  Cash and bonds was about 3-4%. Like many I have taken a decent hit (around 10% currently)..but I have also got a well balanced super scheme and know that over the years my super has risen significantly due to good % rises overall.

This is why it is extremely important for people to follow their super schemes and check on its performance.  If there is more panic selling then putting a good percentage of your super into cash will be a good thing.  Things will get better and what you lose on the swings you make up on the slides!!    :cheers:

That's only going down because you have drawn on it, you haven't lost any money. But yes, you are better traditionally off over the long term with a more balanced approach, my point was there is a risk vs reward, some seem to want compensation because there is a downturn in their net worth at the moment, but that is part of the risk they signed up for.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 31, 2020, 11:57:17 AM
Ahh, yes the good old days....

All of those ungrateful kids of today that can’t afford to buy a house that’s worth 6 times their annual wage.
If only they could be like those good old timers that scrimped and saved to buy a house for twice their annual wage.... ;)


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I agree housing is mental and the exception, especially in some places like Syd and Melb, but I think there is a broader point that is justified. If people only bought what they could pay for (excluding housing) then most people who are crying foul wouldn't be in anywhere near the issues they are at the moment, but that migh mean not having a shiny new car.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Steffo1 on March 31, 2020, 11:59:55 AM
It isn't that hard.
Home delivery.
Adapt, deal wirh it, overcome it.

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Nice drop, that. I have this stashed in my wardrobe, waiting for a special occasion. Must be getting close, surely?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 31, 2020, 12:02:08 PM
but that migh mean not having a shiny new car
or 2, every couple of years, new iThings every year, 4k TV, Netflix, holidays o'seas ...  :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 31, 2020, 12:22:04 PM
and now they are saying the Coronavirus may not 'peak' until November.   

 https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coronavirus-may-not-peak-until-november-in-nsw-new-modelling-shows

If social isolation measures are stepped up, the peak of the coronavirus epidemic in NSW would be less severe and delayed until November, a COVID-19 model suggests.


The advantage and disadvantage
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Post by: Bird on March 31, 2020, 12:29:51 PM
and now they are saying the Coronavirus may not 'peak' until November.   

 https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coronavirus-may-not-peak-until-november-in-nsw-new-modelling-shows

If social isolation measures are stepped up, the peak of the coronavirus epidemic in NSW would be less severe and delayed until November, a COVID-19 model suggests.


The advantage and disadvantage
It also may not peak until 2050.... Nobody knows.

Whats worse is, how can they really ever give the "all clear" to this?? Only takes 1 person infected, and away we go again...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on March 31, 2020, 12:43:10 PM
Whats worse is, how can they really ever give the "all clear" to this?? Only takes 1 person infected, and away we go again...

Yep, only hope to getting back to normality is a vaccine. But what happens next year...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 31, 2020, 12:54:42 PM
Whats worse is, how can they really ever give the "all clear" to this?? Only takes 1 person infected, and away we go again...

Because hopefully, by then, we've reached the level (60%?) of people that have antibodies so we've got "herd immunity" ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on March 31, 2020, 12:56:13 PM
and now they are saying the Coronavirus may not 'peak' until November.   

 https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coronavirus-may-not-peak-until-november-in-nsw-new-modelling-shows

If social isolation measures are stepped up, the peak of the coronavirus epidemic in NSW would be less severe and delayed until November, a COVID-19 model suggests.


The advantage and disadvantage


Modelling is a joke, you work out the answer you want then keep playing around with the figures untill you get that answer, next week it won't peek for 5 years
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 31, 2020, 04:53:32 PM
I agree housing is mental and the exception, especially in some places like Syd and Melb, but I think there is a broader point that is justified. If people only bought what they could pay for (excluding housing) then most people who are crying foul wouldn't be in anywhere near the issues they are at the moment, but that migh mean not having a shiny new car.
So based on some of the logic in this thread, people on low wages or on the Jobseeker allowance should easily be able to live on 20-50% less than they are getting now! Or is it more about levelling the playing field and socialism.

The vast majority of my non-discretionary spend (at least 90%) is on my own home, investment property and a business loan.  I will get through this crisis and will still own my home, as will many people who can put their loans on "hold".  But if you're a young (or not so young person) who has been trying to save to buy a home and suddenly find yourself unemployed but not entitled to government support and have to tap into those savings, you might never get the opportunity to buy a house again!

And let's not forget it is discretionary spending that keeps the cafes, pubs, cinemas, clothes shops, camping shops, accommodation providers, sporting organisations and many other parts of our economy running and people in jobs.  This crisis might just show people what they can live without!

To be honest, if I can't get work for 6 months, maybe I just put the home loans on hold (or better still pay the interest in advance on my investment loan so I get a big fat refund this year), take the government handout and spend 6 months adding value to my home. I'll probably be better off at the end of the day.

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Post by: Hairs on March 31, 2020, 05:42:53 PM
NSW Government,
Urging people not to travel to regional areas, country health services can not cope with the numbers of people atm.
Plus, the messege is still the same, stay at home.
Don't be pricks about this Australia.



Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bad Scott on March 31, 2020, 05:55:45 PM
I'm now getting letters from my clients with clarification for when the cops pull me over stating my work is essential services.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on March 31, 2020, 06:06:50 PM
I trust she wasn't stepping off the footpath to avoid an oncoming pedestrian in order to observe social distancing  :'(
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/sydney-woman-dies-after-being-struck-by-garbage-truck/ar-BB11W3Zf
Some of you may be relieved to hear- 'The garbage truck driver, 55, was not injured in the crash'
The Premier will be making an announcement shortly that it's not all about having a good Covid day people.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 31, 2020, 06:07:08 PM
But if you do, that forces the Super fund to sell shares on a depressed market, so they can pay you out, which then pushes the market down further, so more people panic & want to get their Super out, which ... :'(

I put ALL my super into cash. Not getting paid out...it's still in the super fund...but merely riding the storm....when it's over the cash will be shifted straight back to a balanced option.

Different scenario to actually withdrawing your super, which is a stupid thing to do.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 31, 2020, 06:22:36 PM
I put ALL my super into cash. Not getting paid out...it's still in the super fund...but merely riding the storm....when it's over the cash will be shifted straight back to a balanced option.

Different scenario to actually withdrawing your super, which is a stupid thing to do.
I know shares have been hammered but my balanced super fund has lost less than 10% since July last year!
The risk of getting the market timing wrong isn't worth moving it all into cash.  Just my opinion but I know it will bounce back and when it does it will do so very quickly.  But also depends on how close you are to retirement.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 31, 2020, 06:28:37 PM
I know shares have been hammered but my balanced super fund has lost less than 10% since July last year!
The risk of getting the market timing wrong isn't worth moving it all into cash.  Just my opinion but I know it will bounce back and when it does it will do so very quickly.  But also depends on how close you are to retirement.

I'm close to retirement and I don't want to lose any money.  I estimated my super would have lost approx 15% since the market went south. I lost $18,000 before I shifted to cash, but probably saved another $70,000 by doing so. That would take approx 2 yrs to recoup at "normal" interest rates, so in effect the fund would take 4 yrs to recover fully.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: CTL on March 31, 2020, 07:15:02 PM
I know shares have been hammered but my balanced super fund has lost less than 10% since July last year!
The risk of getting the market timing wrong isn't worth moving it all into cash.  Just my opinion but I know it will bounce back and when it does it will do so very quickly.  But also depends on how close you are to retirement.

Is that 10% loss the difference between your balance in July last year and now?  Or is it between the balance in January this year and now?  Because I have lost way more than that.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 31, 2020, 07:31:22 PM
Is that 10% loss the difference between your balance in July last year and now?  Or is it between the balance in January this year and now?  Because I have lost way more than that.

And I think my 15% was very conservative !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 31, 2020, 07:32:30 PM
I,m in retirement and have lost $32,000 in 5 weeks. About 8%.  Not panicking as I have a diverse portfolio.  I also have a figure that if I hit then a switch of some monies to a cash fund.  I believe we will bounce back and even now we are picking up quite well..


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 31, 2020, 07:39:13 PM
So based on some of the logic in this thread, people on low wages or on the Jobseeker allowance should easily be able to live on 20-50% less than they are getting now! Or is it more about levelling the playing field and socialism.

No, it's about the government providing a safety net that allows you to survive, this is the same amount for everyone.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 31, 2020, 08:06:33 PM
Is that 10% loss the difference between your balance in July last year and now?  Or is it between the balance in January this year and now?  Because I have lost way more than that.
Since July last year - I guess my point is more that it will go back up again and I reckon timing the market could be pretty tricky under the circumstances.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on March 31, 2020, 08:08:40 PM
I put ALL my super into cash. Not getting paid out...it's still in the super fund...but merely riding the storm....when it's over the cash will be shifted straight back to a balanced option.

You don't really believe 'cash' as you call it is capital guaranteed do you? It's actually interest bearing and it can be in a host of financial instruments like mortgages business loans short term money market etc and if they default to a large extent then guess what?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 31, 2020, 09:33:56 PM
You don't really believe 'cash' as you call it is capital guaranteed do you? It's actually interest bearing and it can be in a host of financial instruments like mortgages business loans short term money market etc and if they default to a large extent then guess what?

ATM, it's about as stable as you can get......apart from cash in a bank, but I'm not about to withdraw all my super and put it in a bank and lock it into a lifetime of a max 3% interest ( currently a term deposit is around 1.5% )!  If the whole world goes down the gurgler, shares will be worse off.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: CTL on March 31, 2020, 09:37:51 PM
Since July last year - I guess my point is more that it will go back up again and I reckon timing the market could be pretty tricky under the circumstances.

Right, how much did your super increase from 01/07/18 to 30/06/19?

You could, before this pandemic, have expected a similar increase, or perhaps a bit more, until 30/06/20.

So add that increase, which has now gone, to your 10% to get the true amount of your loss.  Bit sad isn’t it?

It will take a few years to recover that sort of lose and I don’t think we have hit bottom by any means.
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Post by: MB TD42 on March 31, 2020, 09:57:45 PM
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 01, 2020, 06:20:56 AM
Right, how much did your super increase from 01/07/18 to 30/06/19?

You could, before this pandemic, have expected a similar increase, or perhaps a bit more, until 30/06/20.

So add that increase, which has now gone, to your 10% to get the true amount of your loss.  Bit sad isn’t it?

It will take a few years to recover that sort of lose and I don’t think we have hit bottom by any means.

so 1/7/18 to 30/6/2019  my super went up 3.5%      30/6/19 to 30/6/2020  my super went up  5% (as at 1/4/2020)    So why is this a bit sad??  Sure, I,ve taken a hit in the last 6 weeks but it is bouncing back.    Cash over the last 2 years would yield 2.5% tops.  The secret is a balanced and diverse portfolio and riding out the peaks and troughs.  Dont forget that even during a recession/downturn stocks are swooped on by savvy investors and bounce back after a recession/downturn.  If the carona virus hadn't struck the a return of 11% was coming my way....and if I had a magic ball I could tell you this weeks lotto numbers as well.


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on April 01, 2020, 06:34:46 AM
The problem with trying to pick the bounce off the bottom is if you blink, you may miss it.....

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 01, 2020, 06:51:01 AM
The problem with trying to pick the bounce off the bottom is if you blink, you may miss it.....

 :cheers:

Exactly...that is why you dont panic and change your portfolio unless things are really going pear which they are not at the moment...

Once this pandemic settles down or is controlled/wiped out we will see changes emerge to the world and countries within it. Business,s will alter, investments in foreign countries/ownership will change, huge money playing sports will change, the way people think about the future will also change....I reckon for the best as well..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on April 01, 2020, 07:46:38 AM
Or sell on the way down and buy them back for less.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 01, 2020, 08:25:43 AM
Or sell on the way down and buy them back for less.

And that is what a good superannuation company does for you... They never put all their eggs in the one basket (unless you ask them too) .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: CTL on April 01, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
so 1/7/18 to 30/6/2019  my super went up 3.5%      30/6/19 to 30/6/2020  my super went up  5% (as at 1/4/2020)    So why is this a bit sad??  Sure, I,ve taken a hit in the last 6 weeks but it is bouncing back.    Cash over the last 2 years would yield 2.5% tops.  The secret is a balanced and diverse portfolio and riding out the peaks and troughs.  Dont forget that even during a recession/downturn stocks are swooped on by savvy investors and bounce back after a recession/downturn.  If the carona virus hadn't struck the a return of 11% was coming my way....and if I had a magic ball I could tell you this weeks lotto numbers as well.

I was having a conversation with rockrat and discussing his scenerio  ;D

However, in relation to your reply above, if you only got a 3.5% return to 30/06/2019 you are in a Shit super fund.  Mine achieved 9.74% for the same period and was doing better so far this financial year.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on April 01, 2020, 09:13:36 AM
Or sell on the way down and buy them back for less.

....or perhaps.... sell at the bottom and buy them back for more....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 01, 2020, 09:19:22 AM
Our Super had gone down ~14% from 28/2 - 26/3, but back up ~4% over the three days!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 01, 2020, 09:26:17 AM
I was having a conversation with rockrat and discussing his scenerio  ;D

However, in relation to your reply above, if you only got a 3.5% return to 30/06/2019 you are in a Shit super fund.  Mine achieved 9.74% for the same period and was doing better so far this financial year.

My mistake I forgot I took out a large lump sum...That would put the 3.5% closer to 9.5%...my bad..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 01, 2020, 01:52:45 PM
I think the US will soon be the reference point for comparisons in regard to how bad it could get.

A week on and I think we are there, the death toll still trails Italy but not for long, the White House estimates from 100,000 to 240,000 deaths in the next two weeks we haven't seen anything yet. Expect to see piles of bodies in the news. :(

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-us-white-houses-grim-death-prediction/news-story/9772306528e88480bcab825f297d14d5 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-us-white-houses-grim-death-prediction/news-story/9772306528e88480bcab825f297d14d5)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on April 01, 2020, 02:29:27 PM
6.45am Covid 19 crisis. 

long queue of seniors waiting for Coles  to open the door.   Along comes this 20 something young guy charging towards the front trying to get to the front of the queue.....  A grey hair lady on a walking frame watched him comes towards her She gets out the walking stick and wack him over the head and knocks him out....   the crowd cheers the little old lady and the noise wakes this young guy up.  He gets back up and powers through the crowd....  A short bloke then puts his legs out and makes him trip and fall,  the mob then get what they can to retrain him.....  The police arrive and puts him in cuffs.   

The officer saids “ it’s not your turn this morning, bit disappointed that someone like you do this, you should have more respect for the elders”. 

The young man then replies; “ if I don’t get to the front door and open it, no one gets in”. 



Cheers Glen

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 01, 2020, 03:12:53 PM
6.45am Covid 19 crisis.

long queue of seniors waiting for Coles  to open the door.   Along comes this 20 something young guy charging towards the front trying to get to the front of the queue.....  A grey hair lady on a walking frame watched him comes towards her She gets out the walking stick and wack him over the head and knocks him out....   the crowd cheers the little old lady and the noise wakes this young guy up.  He gets back up and powers through the crowd....  A short bloke then puts his legs out and makes him trip and fall,  the mob then get what they can to retrain him.....  The police arrive and puts him in cuffs.   

The officer saids “ it’s not your turn this morning, bit disappointed that someone like you do this, you should have more respect for the elders”.

The young man then replies; “ if I don’t get to the front door and open it, no one gets in”.



Cheers Glen


 :cup:    Started reading and thought...Shit this is just not on....however... ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 01, 2020, 04:48:38 PM
Since July last year - I guess my point is more that it will go back up again and I reckon timing the market could be pretty tricky under the circumstances.

I converted to cash just before the worst of the crashes, but timing of the market to convert back is not a great problem. What I "lose" on the market bouncing back is miniscule compared to what I may have lost if I did nothing.
I have found during the last 6 years since really following my super, it doesn't bounce back anywhere near as fast as it loses .

Say you lose 5% of your super in one hit....I have never seen it recover that 5% in any short time frame. The last time I took a hit, it took a full year to recover back to the original figure.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on April 01, 2020, 06:05:21 PM
I have a modest portfolio of pretty diversified shares (mining, engineering, infrastructure, insurance, retail), most of which I either bought many years ago, got 'given' when the company listed (eg IAG/NRMA), or got through work (either salary sacrifice or bonuses).  While collectively they are still 30% down on where they were on 31 December, they have increased 25% since 23 March when they were at their lowest. Another week or two like that and they will be back where they were. I'm sure it won't happen that quickly but it probably will before the end of the year.

In the meantime, my super contributions are buying more units per $.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: austastar on April 01, 2020, 06:43:55 PM


In the meantime, my super contributions are buying more units per $.

Hi,
    And that is very important!
Cheers



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Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on April 01, 2020, 06:48:46 PM
All of this investment advise and superannuation talk is absolutely riveting stuff......
I’m sure if I was 30 years older I’d be all over this retirement thread. ;)

As far as the coronavirus goes, there’s some shocking statistics on this site.
It’s pretty much live and you can filter by the different columns.

 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

The graphs are pretty much as the models had been forecasting this thing to play out.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200401/8ad8e2db2a88ccad865e3a1071c29c06.jpg)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 01, 2020, 07:09:59 PM
Just listening to an Historian who has written a book about the 1918 influenza pandemic. He says about 20,000 Australians died..  The govt of the day said very little about the pandemic as they focused on the glory of young Australians dying nobly in WW1...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 01, 2020, 10:58:19 PM
Yes Bigfish and it was called the Spanish Flu because unlike the WWI countries hiding their true death stats at home and in the trenches for war propaganda the Spanish reported their true deaths and consequently copped the naming. Well it's not a good look with the recruiting posters- 'Your country needs you to feed the flu pandemic'.

Meanwhile it seems we need the checkout chicks down at the Brissie wharves because the poor little petals in the wharfies union are afraid of the big bad virus-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/melbourne-wharfies-stood-down-after-refusing-to-unload-chinese-ship/ar-BB11ZhdR
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on April 02, 2020, 07:39:25 AM
Yes Bigfish and it was called the Spanish Flu because unlike the WWI countries hiding their true death stats at home and in the trenches for war propaganda the Spanish reported their true deaths and consequently copped the naming. Well it's not a good look with the recruiting posters- 'Your country needs you to feed the flu pandemic'.

Meanwhile it seems we need the checkout chicks down at the Brissie wharves because the poor little petals in the wharfies union are afraid of the big bad virus-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/melbourne-wharfies-stood-down-after-refusing-to-unload-chinese-ship/ar-BB11ZhdR

Further to the wharfies, the union in charge of the baggage handlers in SA wants an inquiry in to how baggage handlers contracted Corona. WTF?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 02, 2020, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: Pottsy
Further to the wharfies, the union in charge of the baggage handlers in SA wants an inquiry in to how baggage handlers contracted Corona. WTF?
sounds fair to me. Im tipping they are wondering if its not just person to person but item to person.. THAT would be a game changer.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 02, 2020, 09:16:03 AM
sounds fair to me. Im tipping they are wondering if its not just person to person but item to person.. THAT would be a game changer.

How could you tell? The problem with community transmission is we have no idea where it came from.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 02, 2020, 09:16:50 AM
sounds fair to me. Im tipping they are wondering if its not just person to person but item to person.. THAT would be a game changer.

I would have thought that all baggage would have sprayed as it was put into the hold.  The virus can live on stainless steel for 72 hours..( so I have read).
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 02, 2020, 09:25:57 AM
sounds fair to me. Im tipping they are wondering if its not just person to person but item to person.. THAT would be a game changer.

It's certainly possible, this is a good vid on the transmission of viruses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-dI74zxPg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-dI74zxPg)

Pretty sure it's Australia's contribution to the video a 7:27  :(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 02, 2020, 09:33:38 AM
Quote from: plusnq
How could you tell? The problem with community transmission is we have no idea where it came from.
That maybe why they want a enquiry into it.. Dig deeper - see if any of the recent passengers have had it etc...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 02, 2020, 09:53:08 AM
That maybe why they want a enquiry into it.. Dig deeper - see if any of the recent passengers have had it etc...

They will be doing that with the contact tracing anyway.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on April 02, 2020, 11:53:11 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-03-20/how-long-does-coronavirus-last-on-surfaces/12074330 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-03-20/how-long-does-coronavirus-last-on-surfaces/12074330)  maybe just maybe it was transmitted from contaminated baggage ??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on April 02, 2020, 09:41:55 PM
;)

https://youtu.be/7UKVzr7v1gM (https://youtu.be/7UKVzr7v1gM)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 03, 2020, 05:20:37 AM
A very damning report of the World Health Organisation..

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/coronavirus-world-health-organisation-accused-of-parroting-chinese-propaganda/news-story/1b8b339912d5e5a05006925f834822b9

I think many people will view china in a different light once this virus is put to sleep...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: achjimmy on April 03, 2020, 08:11:05 AM
A very damning report of the World Health Organisation..

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/coronavirus-world-health-organisation-accused-of-parroting-chinese-propaganda/news-story/1b8b339912d5e5a05006925f834822b9

I think many people will view china in a different light once this virus is put to sleep...

Yup The Who like fina were pandering to the almighty Chinese dollar. The global bureaucracy's like this and the UN are just global sink holes for cash and largely ineffectual today . The sooner there gone the better.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: achjimmy on April 03, 2020, 08:12:49 AM
All of this investment advise and superannuation talk is absolutely riveting stuff......
I’m sure if I was 30 years older I’d be all over this retirement thread. ;)

As far as the coronavirus goes, there’s some shocking statistics on this site.
It’s pretty much live and you can filter by the different columns.

 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

The graphs are pretty much as the models had been forecasting this thing to play out.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200401/8ad8e2db2a88ccad865e3a1071c29c06.jpg)

Although that page has au at 28 deaths ! Thought we were at 24?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 03, 2020, 08:27:20 AM
When you look at this graph it shows that we seem to be doing pretty well, compared to many others..  Hopefully a little pain for long term gain

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 03, 2020, 08:42:48 AM
When you look at this graph it shows that we seem to be doing pretty well, compared to many others..  Hopefully a little pain for long term gain

This one is better IMO.   :cheers:

(https://i.ibb.co/m0Z0X8L/Graph.gif)

https://www.covid19data.com.au/
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 03, 2020, 09:02:39 AM
Todays Coronacast was pretty good.

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYWJjLm5ldC5hdS9yYWRpby9wcm9ncmFtcy9jb3JvbmFjYXN0L2ZlZWQvMTIwMTcyNDgvcG9kY2FzdC54bWw&episode=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYWJjLm5ldC5hdS9yYWRpby9wcm9ncmFtcy9jb3JvbmFjYXN0L3doYXQtc3lwaGlsaXMtYW5kLW1lYXNsZXMtY2FuLXRlbGwtdXMtYWJvdXQtY29yb25hdmlydXMtZW5kZ2FtZS8xMjExNjE5Mg&hl=en-AU&ved=2ahUKEwjKiqGo7MroAhX0wTgGHQhsBncQieUEegQIARAE&ep=6

or just search for:

coronacast 3 April 2020

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 03, 2020, 09:17:45 AM
Todays Coronacast was pretty good.

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYWJjLm5ldC5hdS9yYWRpby9wcm9ncmFtcy9jb3JvbmFjYXN0L2ZlZWQvMTIwMTcyNDgvcG9kY2FzdC54bWw&episode=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYWJjLm5ldC5hdS9yYWRpby9wcm9ncmFtcy9jb3JvbmFjYXN0L3doYXQtc3lwaGlsaXMtYW5kLW1lYXNsZXMtY2FuLXRlbGwtdXMtYWJvdXQtY29yb25hdmlydXMtZW5kZ2FtZS8xMjExNjE5Mg&hl=en-AU&ved=2ahUKEwjKiqGo7MroAhX0wTgGHQhsBncQieUEegQIARAE&ep=6

or just search for:

coronacast 3 April 2020

 :cheers:
Interesting - is that on the ABC site?

First thing I saw was
What syphilis and measles can tell us about the coronavirus endgame
on Coronacast


LOL
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 03, 2020, 09:27:58 AM
Interesting - is that on the ABC site?


https://www.abc.net.au/radio/podcasts/

I spend a lot of time there...

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 03, 2020, 09:34:32 AM

I spend a lot of time there...


Aye!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 03, 2020, 09:35:59 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/podcasts/

I spend a lot of time there...

 :cheers:

Whats wrong with listening to Kochie..?????? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 03, 2020, 09:41:31 AM
Thats fair enough too I'd say.


Prime Minister Scott Morrison says the 16,000 Australians who left the country after "do not travel" advice was issued are unlikely to "find themselves high on the list" to be returned.

The Prime Minister told radio broadcaster Alan Jones this morning he was "bewildered and frustrated" when he read the figure, which was released by the Department of Home Affairs yesterday.


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on April 03, 2020, 10:53:29 AM

The Prime Minister told radio broadcaster Alan Jones

at this point I ceased reading...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on April 03, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
Thats fair enough too I'd say.


Prime Minister Scott Morrison says the 16,000 Australians who left the country after "do not travel" advice was issued are unlikely to "find themselves high on the list" to be returned.

The Prime Minister told radio broadcaster Alan Jones this morning he was "bewildered and frustrated" when he read the figure, which was released by the Department of Home Affairs yesterday.


Can't be bothered re typing the info so a blatant copy and paste;

There has been a lot of criticism about 16,000 Australians who left Australia after the government WARNED against it, and amazement that 3,800 Australians left after it was actually BANNED. These have been represented as irresponsible tourists travelling on reduced airfares (the word tourist often being applied to all of them), and it has been implied that we will have to pay to bring them all home.

A lot of this is media hype (I know because I have been in this sort of situation). Nearly a million Australians travel overseas every month normally, so the 16,000 is a small percentage (1.6% of normal approx.). Some were idiots without question, but I would be surprised if that was more than a few thousand at most. Firstly - like me in the past - nearly 400,000 Australians LIVE overseas. I did so for 12 years, and I periodically came home to visit friends and family. In a situation like this, one heads "home", which for so many Australians is outside Australia. Secondly, approaching one million Australians normally fly out of Australia each month for various purposes (nearly 100,000 for business purposes), so 16,000 is really miniscule and a much larger proportion of these than normal could have been for business (including some from government). These were exempted from the warning (those who had urgent business reasons). Then as for the "amazing" 3,800 Australians who left after travel was finally banned (not just a warning), they all had to get a permit from government to do so (so were probably overseas residents still here, and travellers on urgent business, or had compassionate grounds for travel - whatever, the government considered their reasons valid, and none would have been tourists). Lastly, DFAT warnings to not travel to certain countries exist ALL the time for a number of countries, and usually have to be ignored for business purposes - some of us have jobs that require us (and Australian politicians) to travel to those countries. Much of the time these have included parts of countries like Russia, much of central Asia etc. - and if you have family still living in Lebanon or the Ukraine, you are hardly likely to never visit them again.

Not only will we be unlikely to have to pay to have them all return, it has also become obvious that many needing help overseas who are tourists, flew out BEFORE even a warning was given, and have been trying since to return.

The blame game again - we are in trouble so lets look for a scapegoat (with the media and Credlin-types driving the feeding frenzy). I have no trouble with charging anyone who can be shown to have truly been an idiot, but not others, and in practice it is cheaper not to have an investigation into each individual case but instead just give them a seat on one plane flying Australians out of any overseas country where many of them need help. Even if they have to pay for their stupidity, I would still give them a seat - stupidity should not carry a death sentence (as it may well, in parts of the Third World).
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 03, 2020, 02:14:18 PM
Can't be bothered re typing the info so a blatant copy and paste;

There has been a lot of criticism about 16,000 Australians who left Australia after the government WARNED against it, and amazement that 3,800 Australians left after it was actually BANNED. These have been represented as irresponsible tourists travelling on reduced airfares (the word tourist often being applied to all of them), and it has been implied that we will have to pay to bring them all home.

A lot of this is media hype (I know because I have been in this sort of situation). Nearly a million Australians travel overseas every month normally, so the 16,000 is a small percentage (1.6% of normal approx.). Some were idiots without question, but I would be surprised if that was more than a few thousand at most. Firstly - like me in the past - nearly 400,000 Australians LIVE overseas. I did so for 12 years, and I periodically came home to visit friends and family. In a situation like this, one heads "home", which for so many Australians is outside Australia. Secondly, approaching one million Australians normally fly out of Australia each month for various purposes (nearly 100,000 for business purposes), so 16,000 is really miniscule and a much larger proportion of these than normal could have been for business (including some from government). These were exempted from the warning (those who had urgent business reasons). Then as for the "amazing" 3,800 Australians who left after travel was finally banned (not just a warning), they all had to get a permit from government to do so (so were probably overseas residents still here, and travellers on urgent business, or had compassionate grounds for travel - whatever, the government considered their reasons valid, and none would have been tourists). Lastly, DFAT warnings to not travel to certain countries exist ALL the time for a number of countries, and usually have to be ignored for business purposes - some of us have jobs that require us (and Australian politicians) to travel to those countries. Much of the time these have included parts of countries like Russia, much of central Asia etc. - and if you have family still living in Lebanon or the Ukraine, you are hardly likely to never visit them again.

Not only will we be unlikely to have to pay to have them all return, it has also become obvious that many needing help overseas who are tourists, flew out BEFORE even a warning was given, and have been trying since to return.

The blame game again - we are in trouble so lets look for a scapegoat (with the media and Credlin-types driving the feeding frenzy). I have no trouble with charging anyone who can be shown to have truly been an idiot, but not others, and in practice it is cheaper not to have an investigation into each individual case but instead just give them a seat on one plane flying Australians out of any overseas country where many of them need help. Even if they have to pay for their stupidity, I would still give them a seat - stupidity should not carry a death sentence (as it may well, in parts of the Third World).

Source?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on April 03, 2020, 03:40:35 PM
This one is better IMO.   :cheers:

(https://i.ibb.co/m0Z0X8L/Graph.gif)

https://www.covid19data.com.au/
That one is a bit skewed with the logarithmic scale on the left. Looks like things are levelling when it is still climbing father each day.
Also try to compare absolute number with Australia and China. Should instead per per capita  per 1,000,000 people.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 03, 2020, 04:26:33 PM
http://www.mygc.com.au/aust-top-doctor-fears-global-virus-cases-actually-10-times-higher/ (http://www.mygc.com.au/aust-top-doctor-fears-global-virus-cases-actually-10-times-higher/)

"We’ve now passed a million reported cases of COVID 19,” Dr Murphy said. [worldwide!]

"We believe the true number is probably five to 10 times that"  :o :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 03, 2020, 04:30:32 PM
That one is a bit skewed with the logarithmic scale on the left. Looks like things are levelling when it is still climbing father each day.
Also try to compare absolute number with Australia and China. Should instead per per capita  per 1,000,000 people.

If it wasnt logarithmic the lower graph lines wouldnt be  noticeable, they wouldnt rise much above the bottom axis. The table would have to be 2m tall to effectively allow all data sets to be viewed.....

https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/2/21201832/novel-coronavirus-covid-19-best-graphs-tracking-data


 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 03, 2020, 04:32:15 PM
The Fiction:
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/11/814550474/missouri-sues-televangelist-jim-bakker-for-selling-fake-coronavirus-cure (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/11/814550474/missouri-sues-televangelist-jim-bakker-for-selling-fake-coronavirus-cure)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 03, 2020, 07:52:06 PM
Fact or fiction with Covid19 eh?

Well we know now for 80% this new virus strain is not a threat but with our flu season coming up what is a threat is the medical system being overrun. So the last thing it needs is a bunch of ignorant snowflakes clogging it up with your average sniffles coughs and runny noses as they have to triage you quickly and spit you off back home to get over it like so-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/im-treating-too-many-young-people-for-the-coronavirus/ar-BB11LhLQ
and like so-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/ill-only-get-tested-when-im-dying-fit-and-healthy-ex-soldier-33-says-she-was-turned-away-from-a-coronavirus-testing-centre-and-a-hospital-despite-suffering-severe-symptoms/ar-BB11QdXr

Well I'd be certain I just got over what the death defying tattooed young lady had (man was my throat on fire one night there). So why didn't I think I was going to die being in the 20 percenters and bothering the medical system like that? Because when Wuhan reared it's ugly head I'd already done my homework and had access to hard data when I came down with her symptoms and  I'm feeling like crap too. Here's a couple of videos that explain what I already knew and was prepared for-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmxcVFwn6us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyMiSUfZtyU
Unlike the tattooed lady (who didn't even know her temp) I had no fever and my oxygen haemoglobin levels were in the healthy range so just rest up and get over it as you do.

We're coming up to the flu season folks and it could be serious one.(like the 2017-18 one in the US that bumped off 80,000 of them) If you catch a cold (due to any number of coronaviruses), pharyngitis, laryngitis or influenza all with lots of similar symptoms to Covid19 you need to know if things are getting serious with fever and oxygen levels, the latter indicating compromised lung function which could get serious. So rather than bothering the stretched medical system with your minor ailments and afflictions you need to triage yourself and nowadays every home should have those two important and inexpensive tools to do exactly that. If you don't have those you're flying blind here and you'll likely be clogging up the medical system with background noise just like they were.



Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 03, 2020, 08:59:48 PM
If you're searching the net or ebay just search 'pulse oximeter' and you'll find the small fingertip ones etc (Contec and Oled ones are fine and they all come out of China)
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Fingertip-Blood-Oxygen-Meter-OLED-Pulse-Heart-Rate-SpO2-Monitor-Oximeter-AU/283829370923

But if you have an infant you might consider one of these for the family-
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/han-held-Pulse-Oximeter-Blood-Oxygen-Monitor-SPO2-Monitor-With-Software-3-Probe/123049616746
and note the foot connection for bubs although there are supposedly the simple small ones too but whether they fit bubs is a moot point-
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pediatric-Fingertip-Pulse-Oximeter-Oxygen-SPO2-Monitor-for-Children-Kids-CMS50QA/122859975359

I know a 3 year old uses one of these because an adult one is too large for a consistent reading-
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pulse-Oximeter-C53-Child/164094359086

I don't think you'll find any left on the shelf at chemists or onshore for that matter although with China starting up again there might be local sellers with stocks again.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 03, 2020, 09:28:47 PM
If you are buying a pulse oximeter use it when you are well to establish a baseline so that when you are unwell you have representative numbers to tell the paramedics if needed.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on April 04, 2020, 05:02:50 PM
Working from home for a tradie.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200404/3d4e725fbde9240793e1c14809a9eb8c.jpg)
Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on April 04, 2020, 08:49:09 PM
I’ve been reading and hearing some stories recently about people abusing nurses for wearing their uniforms in public.

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8183873/Drastic-new-rules-nurses-follow-thugs-continue-hurl-sickening-abuse-them.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8183873/Drastic-new-rules-nurses-follow-thugs-continue-hurl-sickening-abuse-them.html)

Obviously this is completely unacceptable and should never be tolerated in our society.
Not only because of the awesome job our nurses and medical staff do to help all of us, but mostly because it’s not their fault they have to wear the uniforms in public.

Many hospitals in Australia don’t give the staff an option to have their uniforms correctly cleaned with the rest of the contaminated goods from the wards (sheets, towels, blankets, scrubs, etc).
Some hospitals don’t even offer proper amenities for staff to clean up and get changed out of their contaminated uniforms (most do, but some don’t). Meaning the staff are forced to walk out of the hospital and hop in a bus or train, potentially exposing all of the innocent public to any number of infections (not just coronavirus) and take their uniforms home to wash with all of their other clothes.

It has been proven many times that domestic washing of healthcare uniforms is one of the primary cause of healthcare associated infections.
Uniforms improperly washed at home can cause secondary such infections. Meaning if uniforms washed at home don’t meet the strict disinfection criteria that industrial washing does, the uniform can recontaminate clean hands.

So it’s partly because of the hospitals and partly because of tax incentives for doing their laundry at home, that these poor hard working nurses are put into this terrible position that we see today.

Australia and the UK are the last few countries that still allow frontline healthcare workers to leave hospitals in their uniforms (or at least get changed and take their uniforms home) to be washed in uncontrolled environments.

Europe has had strict controls over all healthcare uniforms for many years and in general their secondary infection rates are substantially lower then ours.

So personally, I don’t blame anyone for giving people wearing healthcare uniforms in public a wide birth, but please don’t ever let them be abused.

If you want to shout at someone, your local MP has an email address. ;)
Ask them why they are allowing these uniforms out into the public and not keeping them in the hospitals with all of the other contaminated items.
I’m sure they’ll all love to hear how you think they shouldn’t let these overworked healthcare staff expose the public to this unnecessary risk.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on April 04, 2020, 09:33:04 PM
Spot on Pete ..  Knowing the hard work / hours these people do,  the last thing they need at the end of a long shift is someone abusing them for something that is out of their control .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 05, 2020, 06:47:33 AM
If you want to shout at someone, your local MP has an email address. ;)

Agree with you entirely regarding the problem, Pete, but changing the subject ...

Over the years, I've seen any number of mentions on here about contacting the Minister / MP / whichever pollie about "this" problem.

Has anybody that has done so ever had a response ???

Over these last few weeks, I've sent 3 e-mails off, one to the State Police Minister, 2 to our Fed MP, about 3 different matters.

I got an automatic response from the Police Minister saying that the message has been received but please reply to this message with your full name, address & phone number :o - why ??? Nothing at all from our MP though :'(

Yeah, sure, things certainly aren't normal at present, & they're possibly all utterly overwhelmed with incoming messages ???, but I would expect at least an acknowledgement ??? ::)

What's everybody else's experience ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 05, 2020, 07:35:01 AM
Where do we put something that's a factual article about people worried about something fictional ???

It seems hard to believe people are actually this stupid :o, but https://www.imore.com/uk-engineers-threatened-and-5g-masts-burned-coronavirus-conspiracy-theorists (https://www.imore.com/uk-engineers-threatened-and-5g-masts-burned-coronavirus-conspiracy-theorists)

& as it says up the top of that page: Stop the world. I want to get off :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on April 05, 2020, 08:05:59 AM


Has anybody that has done so ever had a response ???

Yes, but the provess varies depending on the type of communication. (Caveat- this info is a few years old, ond processes may have changed) Email is fine for general communications with an MP, but for a formal enquiry it needs to be a posted letter. An email can be recieved, read, and deleted without any formal control's. A written letter is noted as recieved correspondence, a record kept in a register, and there is an obligation in the MP to respond, which is recorded as outgoing correspondence. That process may have changed though?
I have recieved replies to emails from our state member, but those communications have been of a general nature, not formal.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 05, 2020, 10:49:05 AM
If you are just sharing your opinion, I wouldn't expect a reply, if you pose it as a question then you are more likely to get a reply, BUT in terms of policy in regards to health workers uniforms, I wouldn't expect the local MP to know off the top of his head, and the people he would normally go too for an answer might be a bit busy at the moment.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 05, 2020, 12:39:31 PM
If you are just sharing your opinion, I wouldn't expect a reply, if you pose it as a question then you are more likely to get a reply, BUT in terms of policy in regards to health workers uniforms, I wouldn't expect the local MP to know off the top of his head, and the people he would normally go too for an answer might be a bit busy at the moment.

Fair enough TA.

Nothing concerning health worker uniforms! ;D

Police Minister was concerning participation requirements for firearms licenses, asking / suggestig that they be eased or removed completely for this year.

First Fed MP message was a question / suggestion re Centrelink obligations - fair enough, not her area, but I'd still like (& expect!) a simple acknowledgement that my message was at least received; 2nd was the suggestion that I mentioned here that now would be a great time to build up our fuel reserves, & seeing that she is the Minister for Industry etc, that is her area!  ::) ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Snow on April 05, 2020, 01:24:49 PM
Hey all. Once again I am having to put the broom through a Thread. This is not good and my eye is on a some antagonistic members. If I see folk at each others throats again they will be getting a holiday from the board. This is especially a time to be mindful of what is said.
The forum rules of conduct are posted for every-one to read. I suggest folk go and brush up bufore I do some brooming out.  >:( >:( :police:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on April 05, 2020, 02:06:24 PM
Hey all. Once again I am having to put the broom through a Thread. This is not good and my eye is on a some antagonistic members. If I see folk at each others throats again they will be getting a holiday from the board. This is especially a time to be mindful of what is said.
The forum rules of conduct are posted for every-one to read. I suggest folk go and brush up bufore I do some brooming out.  >:( >:( :police:
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 05, 2020, 02:25:53 PM
Fair enough TA.

Nothing concerning health worker uniforms! ;D

Police Minister was concerning participation requirements for firearms licenses, asking / suggestig that they be eased or removed completely for this year.

First Fed MP message was a question / suggestion re Centrelink obligations - fair enough, not her area, but I'd still like (& expect!) a simple acknowledgement that my message was at least received; 2nd was the suggestion that I mentioned here that now would be a great time to build up our fuel reserves, & seeing that she is the Minister for Industry etc, that is her area!  ::) ;D

Not trying to discourage involvement, too many like to whinge from the sideline but won't even take the simplest steps to try to actually change something.

A standard reply acknowledging receipt  I think  should be the minimum response you should get though. In regards to the fuel supply, I think it is an issue that they know about but is probably in the too hard basket and no votes in it. My guess is that it would be a few year exercise though to get permanent storage in place.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on April 05, 2020, 02:41:12 PM
Hey all. Once again I am having to put the broom through a Thread. This is not good and my eye is on a some antagonistic members. If I see folk at each others throats again they will be getting a holiday from the board. This is especially a time to be mindful of what is said.
The forum rules of conduct are posted for every-one to read. I suggest folk go and brush up bufore I do some brooming out.  >:( >:( :police:

As Snow pointed out, lets play fair and to the normal rules. Times are hard enough at the moment without the extra trolling and tit for tat. The last time we had a dot painting episode we through out the problems, same rule applies for all.

Mods are watching  :police:

GG
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: 3rd time lucky on April 05, 2020, 03:08:50 PM
As Snow pointed out, lets play fair and to the normal rules. Times are hard enough at the moment without the extra trolling and tit for tat. The last time we had a dot painting episode we through out the problems, same rule applies for all.

Mods are watching  :police:

GG
My next home project was gonna be dot paint art. Guess I better rethink that......
 ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: MarkGU on April 05, 2020, 03:15:21 PM
My next home project was gonna be dot paint art. Guess I better rethink that......
 ;D
We hope its better than your rego plate fixing skills  :P
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 05, 2020, 04:04:37 PM
My next home project was gonna be dot paint art. Guess I better rethink that......
 ;D

What, so you're going to dot paint the entire house ???

Inside & out ???

Sounds amazing ;D

(Although maybe we should move this to "Cabin Fever" ??? ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: 3rd time lucky on April 05, 2020, 04:22:46 PM
We hope its better than your rego plate fixing skills  :P
Comedians abound....but Jerry Seinfeld need not feel threatened by lame efforts such as this.....
🤣🤣🤣🤣🍺🍻🍻🏆👏
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: 3rd time lucky on April 05, 2020, 04:24:19 PM
What, so you're going to dot paint the entire house ???

Inside & out ???

Sounds amazing ;D

(Although maybe we should move this to "Cabin Fever" ??? ;D
No, I was actually thinking of doing a canvas at home,  on my computer of course and not for real, and then selling it to unsuspecting myswag members.....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: filcar on April 05, 2020, 05:36:04 PM
Looks like there are still a lot of people that don't get it ...

https://www.facebook.com/DrBradRobinson/photos/a.117432248440819/1407027526147945/?type=3&theater
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 05, 2020, 06:23:11 PM
Looks like there are still a lot of people that don't get it ...

https://www.facebook.com/DrBradRobinson/photos/a.117432248440819/1407027526147945/?type=3&theater

Just like the victorian police checked on 300 forced isolation cases.....99 weren't home !!

I think they should put a ban on any exercise outside your own property...no surfing, no beaches, no shopping centres, and shopping for food restricted to one person per household.
People just don't give a sh*t about anyone except themselves.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on April 05, 2020, 06:30:31 PM


People just don't give a sh*t about anyone except themselves.
This has been evident from the very start.
:(

Hey, btw take care.


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 05, 2020, 06:43:57 PM
Just like the victorian police checked on 300 forced isolation cases.....99 weren't home !!

I think they should put a ban on any exercise outside your own property...no surfing, no beaches, no shopping centres, and shopping for food restricted to one person per household.
People just don't give a sh*t about anyone except themselves.

Just read that..390 checked and over a quarter were out....Simple solution.  Pay the $1600 fine and self isolation begins again from the day you got caught... Do it again and you get to self isolate in a prison cell for 28days plus another $1600 fine.  People think this is some sort of a game....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 05, 2020, 06:48:05 PM
Sums it up
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: 3rd time lucky on April 05, 2020, 07:42:31 PM
As a result of the content of this thread, and the lack of action taken bybmyswag mods, i am quitting  tbis forum for the last time.
To those I have conversed with over the years I bid you all a fond farewell  and best wishes.
To those few that I have had the privilege of meeting, I sincerely hope and trust that we will x paths again. Levuka 2021 is  non negotiable.
To Every One else - I hope myswag benefits u and band u enrich it.
Adios all.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 05, 2020, 10:20:33 PM
Comedians abound....but Jerry Seinfeld need not feel threatened by lame efforts such as this.....
🤣🤣🤣🤣🍺🍻🍻🏆👏
Essendon will make the top 8 this season :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 05, 2020, 10:22:10 PM
Remember the Mods are volunteers and this isnt their full time gig.

if theres a problem - click the report Moderator button on the right hand side of the offending post..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on April 05, 2020, 11:46:23 PM
Interesting take on how Sweden is handling the outbreak ..
 latest figures show their rates to be dropping similar to ours atm
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/04/03/spring-has-sprung-in-sweden-with-no-coronavirus-quarantine-or-police-enforced-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR0uJLFt9P9d0s8dZhNJw7YXVfWNXcVuGqHzi7F_cFM-DtTjflbiD1iQu_o (https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/04/03/spring-has-sprung-in-sweden-with-no-coronavirus-quarantine-or-police-enforced-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR0uJLFt9P9d0s8dZhNJw7YXVfWNXcVuGqHzi7F_cFM-DtTjflbiD1iQu_o)   No lock downs just head the warnings ..
One thing in their favour I'm guessing is that they have a different mindset to instruction, due to most everyone having been millitary trained on an ongoing basis . just my .02c worth .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Paddler Ed on April 06, 2020, 03:26:51 AM
Interesting take on how Sweden is handling the outbreak ..
 latest figures show their rates to be dropping similar to ours atm
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/04/03/spring-has-sprung-in-sweden-with-no-coronavirus-quarantine-or-police-enforced-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR0uJLFt9P9d0s8dZhNJw7YXVfWNXcVuGqHzi7F_cFM-DtTjflbiD1iQu_o (https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/04/03/spring-has-sprung-in-sweden-with-no-coronavirus-quarantine-or-police-enforced-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR0uJLFt9P9d0s8dZhNJw7YXVfWNXcVuGqHzi7F_cFM-DtTjflbiD1iQu_o)   No lock downs just head the warnings ..
One thing in their favour I'm guessing is that they have a different mindset to instruction, due to most everyone having been millitary trained on an ongoing basis . just my .02c worth .

I think you've confused Sweden and Switzerland there with the military service.

The Swedes tend to be much more community minded.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: KeithB on April 06, 2020, 04:42:05 AM
Sweden has a population of about 10 million compared with Australia's 25 million. Please correct me if I am wrong on these numbers.
Sweden has had 6,830 cases and 401 deaths compared with 5,677 cases and 41 deaths in Australia,
This makes the Swedish infection rate three times that of Australia and a death rate from the virus 24 times higher than Australia.
I think I know where I'd rather be.
Keith
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 06, 2020, 05:36:44 AM
Sweden has a population of about 10 million compared with Australia's 25 million. Please correct me if I am wrong on these numbers.
Sweden has had 6,830 cases and 401 deaths compared with 5,677 cases and 41 deaths in Australia,
This makes the Swedish infection rate three times that of Australia and a death rate from the virus 24 times higher than Australia.
I think I know where I'd rather be.
Keith

I think we are in the best place on earth during this crisis.  We could smash this virus if we could only get the stupid, the selfish and the downright ignorant to pull their weight.
With 500 toilet rolls in the larder, 50kg of rice and 50kg of flour, 200 home made face masks and a weekly shopping visit to a crowded Brisbane market I reckon I,m safe enough.... :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 06, 2020, 07:07:31 AM
I think we are in the best place on earth during this crisis.  We could smash this virus if we could only get the stupid, the selfish and the downright ignorant to pull their weight.
With 500 toilet rolls in the larder, 50kg of rice and 50kg of flour, 200 home made face masks and a weekly shopping visit to a crowded Brisbane market I reckon I,m safe enough.... :-[ :-[ :-[

Did you miss your invitation to the car rally ?
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-it-was-inexcusable-police-fine-58-drivers-77000-at-huge-car-rally/news-story/c44290cae79f56969f64fc2d3fad0d00
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 06, 2020, 07:19:39 AM
Did you miss your invitation to the car rally ?
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-it-was-inexcusable-police-fine-58-drivers-77000-at-huge-car-rally/news-story/c44290cae79f56969f64fc2d3fad0d00

Nah mate...was at a rave party with 30 of my mates. :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: jclures on April 06, 2020, 07:20:12 AM
I do not understand what people are doing, they must just think of themselves, and not the community as a whole.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 06, 2020, 07:21:45 AM
Its going to be interesting to see how the murder investigation pans out with the Ruby Princess cruise ship.  Guarantee there will be worldwide legal cases brought against individuals, companies, countries and anyone else who may have a few bob....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on April 06, 2020, 07:27:54 AM
I think you've confused Sweden and Switzerland there with the military service.




Going by what I know / read they had compulsory Millitary service up till 2010,  then cut it out to voluntary till 2017 , When compulsory service was reinstated ..
 Buggered up on the population # ##  though, They seem to be happy tackling this virus the way theyre doing it, guess if that works for them thats their deal ....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on April 06, 2020, 07:50:56 AM
I do not understand what people are doing, they must just think of themselves, and not the community as a whole.
You are correct in thinking that.
The problem is, they don't believe it is them that is the problem.
:(

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 06, 2020, 08:30:05 AM
Local news here the other night, the reporter was talking to two French backpackers (girls, mid-20s) in the middle of Suffering Parasites.

"When did you arrive in Qld?" "Just before the border was closed completely" (3 ? days ago)

"So aren't you supposed to be isolating for 14 days?" "We don't need to, we're not sick"

"& what if the Police come to check up on you?" "They don't know where we are, because we just made up an address when they asked us!" (laughing)

Well thank you very bloody much >:(

& the reporter should have immediately gone to the :police: & told them the story!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on April 06, 2020, 08:45:38 AM
I do not understand what people are doing, they must just think of themselves, and not the community as a whole.
You are correct in thinking that.
The problem is, they don't believe it is them that is the problem.
:(

I know I'll get attacked for this....
But you guys do realize that is exactly what the younger generation have been saying about baby boomers in the climate change debate..??

Not trying to start a fight, just making an observation.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on April 06, 2020, 09:31:20 AM
I know I'll get attacked for this....
But you guys do realize that is exactly what the younger generation have been saying about baby boomers in the climate change debate..??

Not trying to start a fight, just making an observation.
If you're not trying to start a fight why are you throwing grenades ?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 06, 2020, 09:45:53 AM
So is this a game changer? People were saying animals can't get it - but isnt that where it started...
Now this.

Quote
NEW YORK (AP) — A tiger at the Bronx Zoo has tested positive for the new coronavirus, in what is believed to be the first known infection in an animal in the U.S. or a tiger anywhere, federal officials and the zoo said Sunday.

The 4-year-old Malayan tiger named Nadia — and six other tigers and lions that have also fallen ill — are believed to have been infected by a zoo employee who wasn't yet showing symptoms, the zoo said. The first animal started showing symptoms March 27, and all are doing well and expected to recover, said the zoo, which has been closed to the public since March 16 amid the surging coronavirus outbreak in New York.


https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/05/tiger-nycs-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-coronavirus/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/05/tiger-nycs-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-coronavirus/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 06, 2020, 11:42:04 AM
You'd have to wonder how the keeper passed it on to them ???

Don't think you pat & cuddle lions & tigers all that much ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on April 06, 2020, 11:47:31 AM
I know I'll get attacked for this....
But you guys do realize that is exactly what the younger generation have been saying about baby boomers in the climate change debate..??

Not trying to start a fight, just making an observation.
Probably goes to the heart of “what affects me now” vs “what is going to affect me or my descendants later”!


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on April 06, 2020, 12:30:22 PM
So is this a game changer? People were saying animals can't get it - but isnt that where it started...
Now this.

please try to keep up Bird...

regular people can't catch it from tigers... just Joe Exotic.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 06, 2020, 12:53:03 PM
please try to keep up Bird...

regular people can't catch it from tigers... just Joe Exotic.
Im new at this :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: sharkcaver on April 06, 2020, 01:58:55 PM
So is this a game changer? People were saying animals can't get it - but isnt that where it started...
Now this.

There was reports a month ago of 2 dogs that supposedly died of Cov19. One in honkers, one in china I believe. The owners would not allow an autopsy to be performed, so I am calling BS on that story until more evidence is provided.

The tiger, being in a western country, one would hope will be tested and confirmed/denied. If sars-cov19 mutates to be able to spread to other species (there are now 2 strains affecting the human population), then life on this earth is seriously threatened. Global warming is the least of our concerns.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jillsy on April 07, 2020, 04:52:11 AM
G'day Swaggers,

To say I am disappointed in the content some Members have been posting these past few days is an understatment  >:(.  This is definately not the Myswag we know and love.

For a group of so called adults, there is a some absolutely childish behaviour going on.

The Admins and Moderators have lives (and jobs still if they're lucky).  They also have elderly and/or susceptible loved ones that they are trying to protect, at-risk friends (and by at risk I mean at risk of suicide, at risk of losing everything, at risk of catching this awful virus etc) as well as children/grand children that they are trying to shepherd through this uncertain time.  The last thing they want to have to deal with is small minded, arrogant, self-absorbed keyboard warriors who are acting their shoe size rather than their age.  In short - grow the *insert expletive here* up!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion however, if any Member can't express their opinion respectfully or can't respectfully debate with someone, that Members is kindly asked to spend their time elsewhere. Rant over.





Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bad Scott on April 07, 2020, 04:55:22 AM
Well said Jillsy  :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: shakey55 on April 07, 2020, 07:38:52 AM
G'day Swaggers,

To say I am disappointed in the content some Members have been posting these past few days is an understatment  >:(.  This is definately not the Myswag we know and love.

For a group of so called adults, there is a some absolutely childish behaviour going on.

The Admins and Moderators have lives (and jobs still if they're lucky).  They also have elderly and/or susceptible loved ones that they are trying to protect, at-risk friends (and by at risk I mean at risk of suicide, at risk of losing everything, at risk of catching this awful virus etc) as well as children/grand children that they are trying to shepherd through this uncertain time.  The last thing they want to have to deal with is small minded, arrogant, self-absorbed keyboard warriors who are acting their shoe size rather than their age.  In short - grow the *insert expletive here* up!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion however, if any Member can't express their opinion respectfully or can't respectfully debate with someone, that Members is kindly asked to spend their time elsewhere. Rant over.
Absolute gem of a reply Jillsy

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 07, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
G'day Swaggers,

To say I am disappointed in the content some Members have been posting these past few days is an understatment  >:(.  This is definately not the Myswag we know and love.

For a group of so called adults, there is a some absolutely childish behaviour going on.

The Admins and Moderators have lives (and jobs still if they're lucky).  They also have elderly and/or susceptible loved ones that they are trying to protect, at-risk friends (and by at risk I mean at risk of suicide, at risk of losing everything, at risk of catching this awful virus etc) as well as children/grand children that they are trying to shepherd through this uncertain time.  The last thing they want to have to deal with is small minded, arrogant, self-absorbed keyboard warriors who are acting their shoe size rather than their age.  In short - grow the *insert expletive here* up!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion however, if any Member can't express their opinion respectfully or can't respectfully debate with someone, that Members is kindly asked to spend their time elsewhere. Rant over.
Maybe since the forum has grown so much over time, maybe a few more moderators to help share the load would be an idea.
theres plenty of good people out there. Theres one who hasnt been on here since 2017. As I posted few days ago, its not fair on the current crop.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on April 07, 2020, 12:27:21 PM
Maybe since the forum has grown so much over time, maybe a few more moderators to help share the load would be an idea.
theres plenty of good people out there. Theres one who hasnt been on here since 2017. As I posted few days ago, its not fair on the current crop.
Are you putting your hand up Bird?


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 07, 2020, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: rockrat
Are you putting your hand up Bird?
No thanks

but there are good people here that would be good at it...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: doc evil on April 07, 2020, 01:15:35 PM
No thanks

but there are good people here that would be good at it...

Extremely well said Jillsy.

Was a mod on the old Overlander forum............not a job I'd want to do again. Too many kids in the sandpit......... ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 07, 2020, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: doc evil
Too many kids in the sandpit......... ;D

its even worse when the kids get the keys to the whole gig... destroys forums overnite!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on April 07, 2020, 02:12:09 PM
https://www.2gb.com/australia-urged-to-consider-exit-strategy-if-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-slow/?fbclid=IwAR2a9wtZnAbI_ZqHZxCUw2wX3RDF8cqoCBFntpJj48t5gJzlKjwp495LG6Q (https://www.2gb.com/australia-urged-to-consider-exit-strategy-if-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-slow/?fbclid=IwAR2a9wtZnAbI_ZqHZxCUw2wX3RDF8cqoCBFntpJj48t5gJzlKjwp495LG6Q)   .. Some very valid points .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 07, 2020, 02:47:11 PM
https://www.2gb.com/australia-urged-to-consider-exit-strategy-if-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-slow/?fbclid=IwAR2a9wtZnAbI_ZqHZxCUw2wX3RDF8cqoCBFntpJj48t5gJzlKjwp495LG6Q (https://www.2gb.com/australia-urged-to-consider-exit-strategy-if-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-slow/?fbclid=IwAR2a9wtZnAbI_ZqHZxCUw2wX3RDF8cqoCBFntpJj48t5gJzlKjwp495LG6Q)   .. Some very valid points .

Made it as far as the third sentence....   ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 07, 2020, 03:01:46 PM
https://www.2gb.com/australia-urged-to-consider-exit-strategy-if-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-slow/ (https://www.2gb.com/australia-urged-to-consider-exit-strategy-if-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-slow/)   .. Some very valid points .
his shares are going down.... man of economics...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on April 07, 2020, 03:39:56 PM
its even worse when the kids get the keys to the whole gig... destroys forums overnite!

Agree with that!!....

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on April 07, 2020, 04:45:00 PM
Made it as far as the third sentence....   ;D
You're a better man then me.
I only made it as far as loading the header on the webpage.....  :-*
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 07, 2020, 04:51:39 PM
You're a better man then me.
I only made it as far as loading the header on the webpage.....  :-*

Same here.  We are into the beginning of an unknown and potentially  a disastrous event both financially and health wise.   Exit strategy would already be on the horizon and the govt knows a little bit more than overpaid Shitlips.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 07, 2020, 04:55:59 PM
Way too early to start discussing exit strategies, because as soon as they do, a fair slab of the population is going to say "It's all over", immediately start doing the wrong thing, & Bang, here we go again :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on April 07, 2020, 05:46:39 PM
Way too early to start discussing exit strategies, because as soon as they do, a fair slab of the population is going to say "It's all over", immediately start doing the wrong thing, & Bang, here we go again :'(
Sounds like pretty reasonable words to me. Nothing inflammatory or over the top. Not suggesting an end to restrictions now. Just saying we need to have a balanced approach.

“We should start planning for the exit from this period of restrictions, which are both extremely costly economically and obviously inflict a lot of hardship on people.

“We do need strong measures that will prevent the spread of COVID-19.

“At the same time, we have to be careful not to go overboard.”
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 07, 2020, 05:58:43 PM
Way too early to start discussing exit strategies, because as soon as they do, a fair slab of the population is going to say "It's all over", immediately start doing the wrong thing, & Bang, here we go again :'(

The govt would already be working towards an exit strategy.  That is why we are drip feeding the economy. They will have a goal in mind of where they would like to see the economy in 6 months, 12 months etc. As I,ve said before....we are just at the start..time that everyone should be doing the right thing. Couple of weeks at home and some people seem to think they have been locked up in a POW camp..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on April 07, 2020, 06:47:17 PM
I think the majority of people are doing the right thing as these figures would show.
 https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/04/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_3.pdf (https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/04/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_3.pdf)

We still have a considerable way to go before this is over but we are at least heading in the right direction.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on April 07, 2020, 08:20:26 PM
I think the majority of people are doing the right thing as these figures would show.
 https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/04/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_3.pdf (https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/04/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_3.pdf)

We still have a considerable way to go before this is over but we are at least heading in the right direction.
Yes we are doing better then other countries.
And thst is great to see.

I don't believe many have any idea how good we have it.
I hope we ALL learn from this.
To be honest, to be the best you can, no BS, think about the people around you.
Sure we all have a difference of opinion, if you have a difference to that, don't be a dick about it, simple. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, keep your mouth shut.

People are struggling, many have great fears, sadly some see the only end, Is not being here.
Take care, and take care of each other.
Thanks.


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: filcar on April 07, 2020, 08:43:21 PM
No one can say Luke let's an opportunity slip ...

https://www.drifta.com.au/product/face-mask/?utm_source=Drifta+News&utm_campaign=e230acd479-April_2020_Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_5eec074d9c-e230acd479-225497833&mc_cid=e230acd479&mc_eid=d467472fd1
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on April 07, 2020, 09:58:00 PM
No one can say Luke let's an opportunity slip ...

https://www.drifta.com.au/product/face-mask/?utm_source=Drifta+News&utm_campaign=e230acd479-April_2020_Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_5eec074d9c-e230acd479-225497833&mc_cid=e230acd479&mc_eid=d467472fd1
Little off topic but curious to know why he’s ceasing production of his campers


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 07, 2020, 11:00:56 PM
This was his post on Facebook. Seems he was reducing his risk in preparation of the forthcoming economic downturn.

hey guys . bit of news , bit of sad news . we basically going to finish up building new DOTs, at least for the moment . wen exactly we finish up, i haven’t quiet decided. we are not running out of money for DOT, this is not the reason , so don panic : )
decision made a few days ago. putting things in place now .
all current orders will continue as planned , we have notified existing customers , so no changes to builds , will continue and be completed.
at this stage , we have over 30 quotes ‘on the go’. so i think we’ll continue to take orders possibly up to Easter. but after Easter we won’t take any further DOT orders.
Warranty and servicing will continue as before. we will make provisions for ongoing warranty, repairs and servicing. simple upgrades also is fine, to existing DOTs.
we will consider DOT retro fits up until Easter, after that , large DOT retro fit conversions ie to WUHT’s i’m not sure.
so, anyone keen on a DOT, still some chance to get an order in. have about 3-4 weeks to place a deposit.
in business there are always many reasons why things happen, but there has been a couple of things happen recently that forced my hand and resulted in this decision.
once we have finished our last DOT , in 2-3 months time, i plan to move our dispatch / retail up into the DOT shed. they need more room and DOT has about twice as much room.
Drawers and drawer fitouts are very busy, they also need more room so they will move into the old dispatch area, giving us more flexibility in handling more fitouts .
so basically, DOT is a very difficult business to run. takes up much of my time and energy. we are struggling with low sales for a while now, for several reasons , and also the DOT factory struggling to make the profit needed to pay some loans coming due next year. drawers and retail are going great, need more room, and if i didn’t do this change i’d have to build another big factory extension, which i don’t really have the energy for atm.
so that’s what’s happening over the coming weeks / months . it is possible, after things have changed around and settled down, say in 6 months time, we may reconsider DOT, possible we get the trailer base fabricated in Newcastle and we just do the fitout, as we did for the first 25 DOTs 8 years ago : )
i spent the day talking to staff , then we notified existing customers , now i’m letting u guys know : )
best to set things straight , so everyone knows exactly what’s happening.
we built 400 Australian made camping trailers. i think that’s a pretty good achievement : )
any questions i’ll try to answer best i can if u have any. thanks guys , L
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 08, 2020, 07:36:23 AM
Here is a bit of hope for a quicker ending to the virus.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/health/medical/a-potential-coronavirus-vaccine-funded-by-bill-gates-is-set-to-begin-testing-in-people-with-the-first-patient-expected-to-get-it-today/ar-BB12dR8L?ocid=ob-fb-enau-307&fbclid=IwAR26Uh7kmjKbVWdFz8mnWyzg22GstXJfALL3U_KTzMmnQMhpNoOiYQ-RWAY
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 08, 2020, 07:46:51 AM
mmmm
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Beachman on April 08, 2020, 09:30:00 AM
On the news this morning they mentioned the government are having discussions about relaxing the Social Distancing rules which will hopefully allow people to develop their own immunity.

They are saying that a vaccine is a minimum 12 months away and they are struggling to inforce the social distancing rules now, so in 6,10,12 months it’s going to be even harder to enforce.  But I also believe the Government knows they can’t financially support Australia for 12 months.

When this virus first made the headlines a few Dr’s said just let it run its course (IE: high death toll, but short lived) but they were ridiculed. That may still happen.

Hopefully they find a vaccine sooner that later, but the longer this goes on then the higher the chance of the above happening.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 08, 2020, 10:38:19 AM
On the news this morning they mentioned the government are having discussions about relaxing the Social Distancing rules which will hopefully allow people to develop their own immunity.

They are saying that a vaccine is a minimum 12 months away and they are struggling to inforce the social distancing rules now, so in 6,10,12 months it’s going to be even harder to enforce.  But I also believe the Government knows they can’t financially support Australia for 12 months.

When this virus first made the headlines a few Dr’s said just let it run its course (IE: high death toll, but short lived) but they were ridiculed. That may still happen.

Hopefully they find a vaccine sooner that later, but the longer this goes on then the higher the chance of the above happening.

There was some billionaire in paper this morning saying he will give 1/4 of his wealth to research the vaccine.. just hope its money better spent than the cancer research

https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/twitter-billionaire-pledges-quarter-of-his-wealth-to-combat-covid-19-20200408-p54i3o.html (https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/twitter-billionaire-pledges-quarter-of-his-wealth-to-combat-covid-19-20200408-p54i3o.html)
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Post by: Rodt on April 08, 2020, 10:42:49 AM
On the news this morning they mentioned the government are having discussions about relaxing the Social Distancing rules which will hopefully allow people to develop their own immunity.

They are saying that a vaccine is a minimum 12 months away and they are struggling to inforce the social distancing rules now, so in 6,10,12 months it’s going to be even harder to enforce.  But I also believe the Government knows they can’t financially support Australia for 12 months.

When this virus first made the headlines a few Dr’s said just let it run its course (IE: high death toll, but short lived) but they were ridiculed. That may still happen.

Hopefully they find a vaccine sooner that later, but the longer this goes on then the higher the chance of the above happening.

That's interesting as that was the UK (ie: Boris Johnson was very vocal) response wasn't it and look what has happened to him

All unknown territory though so who knows what is right
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: KeithB on April 08, 2020, 11:20:23 AM
On the news this morning they mentioned the government are having discussions about relaxing the Social Distancing rules which will hopefully allow people to develop their own immunity.

Doesn't developing our own immunity mean we have to catch the disease first? There are two problems with this.
Firstly a likely death rate of 1 per cent which means 250,000 Australians might well die.
Secondly nobody can say how long acquired immunity will last.

Keith
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Post by: Bird on April 08, 2020, 11:23:23 AM
Quote from: KeithB
Secondly nobody can say how long acquired immunity will last.

The reports and stuff are very quiet on those that have "over come" the disease.... You dont hear anything at all about it... Maybe you can catch it many times over many months/weeks/years... ??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 08, 2020, 01:38:30 PM
Doesn't developing our own immunity mean we have to catch the disease first? There are two problems with this.
Firstly a likely death rate of 1 per cent which means 250,000 Australians might well die.
Secondly nobody can say how long acquired immunity will last.

Keith

50-60% infection rate would then create herd immunity, ie there wouldn't be enough new people for the disease to keep spreading too. If you then kept those in the highest risk categories (over 60 and immunocompromised) under tighter social distancing measures, and then make sure those who get it in a bad way have access to quality care you might keep the casualties to 20,000. It's not a great outcome, but likely the least worse option at the moment.

Once you have had it, your body has immunity to that strain, if it mutates then we are back at the beginning, but that will likely be the same case for a vaccine as well.

There is no guarantee that there will be a vaccine, and if so when it would be available, but the testing phase takes about a year. I have heard testing a vaccine likened to growing corn, doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, how many crops you plant, it is still going to take the same time.
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Post by: glenm64 on April 08, 2020, 01:48:17 PM
SARS broke out in 2002, and there's no vaccine to date.

Cheers Glen

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: KeithB on April 08, 2020, 03:41:25 PM
My long suffering wife has come up with what I think is a sensible suggestion.
To make shopping in the supermarkets a bit safer, why not make all the aisleways one way. You'd still go up and down the aisles as normally and could skip aisles if you wanted to.
This would minimise contact between the punters and give a better chance of 1.5 metres separation.
Keith
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 08, 2020, 03:48:46 PM
Great idea!
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Post by: Champin on April 08, 2020, 03:58:24 PM
I went into a fairly large Gippsland town yesterday  ( first time out in 12 days) and it was like business as usual. You wouldn't know there was a lockdown goinig on at all. Looks like not everyone is getting the message.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on April 08, 2020, 04:20:22 PM
My long suffering wife has come up with what I think is a sensible suggestion.
To make shopping in the supermarkets a bit safer, why not make all the aisleways one way. You'd still go up and down the aisles as normally and could skip aisles if you wanted to.
This would minimise contact between the punters and give a better chance of 1.5 metres separation.
Keith
Good idea but when I was at Bunnings the other day, people obviously had trouble counting. Signs said no more than 4 per aisle, yeah right!

The missus was pretty funny though - she gave a few a bit of stick with lines like “hey sweety, can you help your dad count to four?”


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 08, 2020, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: Champin
I went into a fairly large Gippsland town yesterday  ( first time out in 12 days) and it was like business as usual. You wouldn't know there was a lockdown goinig on at all. Looks like not everyone is getting the message.
Sounds like you could have gone to Aspen  ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on April 08, 2020, 05:44:32 PM
Sounds like you could have gone to Aspen  ;)
Straight through to the keeper

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 08, 2020, 05:47:45 PM
Straight through to the keeper
peeps not gettin message
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/throw-the-book-at-them-health-minister-addresses-aspen-controversy-20200331-p54frd.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/throw-the-book-at-them-health-minister-addresses-aspen-controversy-20200331-p54frd.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on April 08, 2020, 06:05:49 PM
peeps not gettin message
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/throw-the-book-at-them-health-minister-addresses-aspen-controversy-20200331-p54frd.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/throw-the-book-at-them-health-minister-addresses-aspen-controversy-20200331-p54frd.html)
Righto. Got it. I never done been accused of being overly intelligent.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 08, 2020, 06:15:21 PM
Confusion continues....

Queen Vic Market and many otehr weekend markets are OPEN ??? ??? you seen how packed markets get?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on April 08, 2020, 06:46:33 PM
Who is making these crazy rules. No wonder Joe and Jane Blow are confused. Do they want us to isolate or don't they? If they are going to fine a few people getting togetther but the allow a huge market to go ahead then what?
I suppose at the end oftheday I  have no control over what anyone else does. I just know that I can go to bed of a night knowing that I have done the best I  can.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 08, 2020, 07:01:27 PM
In theory, if everyone did the right thing, this virus would die out in 2 weeks.

Herd immunity is not the way we should go...hospitals would be chaos.....not to mention drs and nurses.

Self isolation for positive cases doesn't seem to work either......has to be lock them up or shoot them.....

But there can't be a relaxation of rules until it gets under control.....that just makes all we have done so far a waste of time..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on April 08, 2020, 07:14:53 PM
My long suffering wife has come up with what I think is a sensible suggestion.
To make shopping in the supermarkets a bit safer, why not make all the aisleways one way. You'd still go up and down the aisles as normally and could skip aisles if you wanted to.
This would minimise contact between the punters and give a better chance of 1.5 metres separation.
Keith
Listening to the head honcho from Cole's the other day, they trialed one way isles early on. It was just too much for the sheeple to comprehend and confusion reighed. Was given the flick after a couple of hours.

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Post by: D4D on April 08, 2020, 07:18:45 PM
In theory, if everyone did the right thing, this virus would die out in 2 weeks.

Based on what science?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on April 08, 2020, 07:20:51 PM
Listening to the head honcho from Cole's the other day, they trialed one way isles early on. It was just too much for the sheeple to comprehend and confusion reighed. Was given the flick after a couple of hours.

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Bit like when Sweden changed which side of the road they drove on.

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Cheers Glen

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Post by: Pete79 on April 08, 2020, 07:22:11 PM
My long suffering wife has come up with what I think is a sensible suggestion.
To make shopping in the supermarkets a bit safer, why not make all the aisleways one way. You'd still go up and down the aisles as normally and could skip aisles if you wanted to.
This would minimise contact between the punters and give a better chance of 1.5 metres separation.
Keith
Our IGA set that up almost 2 weeks ago.

I think me and one other guy follow the arrows on the floor, the rest (including the staff) still just wonder up and down the aisles as they please. ::)
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Post by: Merts on April 08, 2020, 07:42:34 PM
Based on what science?

I'm guessing he's getting at the fact that if we completely stopped new infections, those who were infected would either get better or die, and there would be nobody left carrying the virus to infect anyone else.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on April 08, 2020, 07:47:41 PM
I'm guessing he's getting at the fact that if we completely stopped new infections, those who were infected would either get better or die, and there would be nobody left carrying the virus to infect anyone else.

Hasn't worked for Italy...
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Post by: gronk on April 08, 2020, 07:52:09 PM
I'm guessing he's getting at the fact that if we completely stopped new infections, those who were infected would either get better or die, and there would be nobody left carrying the virus to infect anyone else.

Exactly. In theory.....

If everyone stopped interactions with other humans, it would die out. The isolation rules are reducing the infections, and the numbers we should be looking at are only the new infections per day, not the actual number of infections, as they should all be in isolation, AND the people who they have been in contact with.
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Post by: Hairs on April 08, 2020, 07:54:18 PM


In theory, if everyone did the right thing, this virus would die out in 2 weeks

https://youtu.be/BgXRodXITQc

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Post by: gronk on April 08, 2020, 08:00:19 PM
Hasn't worked for Italy...

Has for Hong Kong and Singapore !!  Italy took too long to social distance and self isolate. It was out of control before they did anything.
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Post by: tryagain on April 08, 2020, 08:10:18 PM
In theory, if everyone did the right thing, this virus would die out in 2 weeks.

The full shutdown that happened in China that apparently stopped it, took about 60 days and involved literally welding people's doors shut. Their now "relaxed" restrictions are still far greater than ours. This is where theory and reality are very different, the chief medical officer has said that they don't believe it is possible for it to be totally killed off.
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Post by: Champin on April 08, 2020, 08:22:02 PM
Is it going to be like the flu you reckon? We can only vaccinate for last years strain because it is constantly mutating.

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Post by: Hairs on April 08, 2020, 08:45:30 PM
Our biggest hurdle is,
Entitlement.
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Post by: rockrat on April 08, 2020, 08:52:05 PM
Our biggest hurdle is,
Entitlement.
Nope, most people will still die from things like cancer and heart disease.

But are we prepared to spend several hundred billion dollars in the next 6 months to cure those ? I doubt it.


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Post by: tryagain on April 08, 2020, 09:02:09 PM
Has for Hong Kong and Singapore !!  Italy took too long to social distance and self isolate. It was out of control before they did anything.

Not really, they have a low rate of increase, but it's still increasing.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on April 09, 2020, 07:27:14 AM
Nope, most people will still die from things like cancer and heart disease.

I'm curious to see the equivalent data from the major death causes, it would make for interesting reading.
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Post by: Bigfish on April 09, 2020, 07:45:22 AM
I'm curious to see the equivalent data from the major death causes, it would make for interesting reading.

Many will still die from cancer and heart disease...but we have spent 10,s of billions on research already and still spent many millions every year.
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Post by: plusnq on April 09, 2020, 07:48:16 AM
Deaths in NY City are over four times the average rate at the moment.
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Post by: Pottsy on April 09, 2020, 07:51:55 AM
Sadly the second victim of Corona in SA was a friend of 25 plus years, both her and her husband worked in the same industry as I did. I can only think of the anguish he must be feeling after not being able to be with her during her final days.  It is no consolation but thankfully their children are young adults.
RIP L.
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Post by: Fizzie on April 09, 2020, 07:54:14 AM
Sorry to hear that Pottsy :'(

Our commiserations to both yourself & her family.
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Post by: Bigfish on April 09, 2020, 07:55:40 AM
Our biggest hurdle is,
Entitlement.

Exactly what I think as well.  The ignorant and arrogant think they know better and that rules and laws that have been implemented shouldn,t apply to them. No one enjoys isolation, the govt didn't want to spend billions and ruin what would have been a surplus, and People dont want to live in fear.  We are not in real isolation...try England...anyone over 60 MUST self isolate for 3 months..NO leaving the house under any circumstances.. Thats isolation!! It only takes one brain dead infected person to set the virus going in a community. Into our 4th week of self isolation and the sky hasn't fallen. Still go for a walk, plenty of movies on tv/laptop, gardening(yuk), plenty of projects for camper and shed as well. 

I see the bullShit posts from the entitled ones about driving around for relaxation, whinging that they cant go to the beach, the gyms shut , cant go to piss ups etc.etc. .  You just cant fix stupid or entitlement.
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Post by: rockrat on April 09, 2020, 07:57:15 AM
Sadly the second victim of Corona in SA was a friend of 25 plus years, both her and her husband worked in the same industry as I did. I can only think of the anguish he must be feeling after not being able to be with her during her final days.  It is no consolation but thankfully their children are young adults.
RIP L.
Sorry to hear that Pottsy.


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Post by: D4D on April 09, 2020, 08:04:10 AM
Many will still die from cancer and heart disease...but we have spent 10,s of billions on research already and still spent many millions every year.

Thanks, that is interesting data. I guess the difference here is the top 3 are not easily transmissible like COVID-19.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 09, 2020, 08:06:02 AM
Sadly the second victim of Corona in SA was a friend of 25 plus years, both her and her husband worked in the same industry as I did. I can only think of the anguish he must be feeling after not being able to be with her during her final days.  It is no consolation but thankfully their children are young adults.
RIP L.

Sad indeed.  Even sadder when you cannot visit them in hospital  and even funerals are completely compromised.   Apparently once you are diagnosed and in hospital there are no visitors.  Imagine if one of kids/grandparent/relation contracted this virus..No visits...Thats why everyone has to do the right thing..its only for a short time and hopefully everyone comes out well in the end.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 09, 2020, 08:07:34 AM
Thanks, that is interesting data. I guess the difference here is the top 3 are not easily transmissible like COVID-19.

Interesting that influenza is only just in front of accidental falls...
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Post by: Bird on April 09, 2020, 10:08:47 AM
Quote from: tryagain
The full shutdown that happened in China that apparently stopped it,

I agree with the apparently.... I dont believe a word they say...
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Post by: xcvator on April 09, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
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Post by: alnjan on April 09, 2020, 11:19:56 AM
Only in America


https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1845748/?fbclid=IwAR38---5-0VDsyc4_reWiZQMvq5BCq1BB0MzCxmF8PiR3yXGu-YQNKgr1uU (https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1845748/?fbclid=IwAR38---5-0VDsyc4_reWiZQMvq5BCq1BB0MzCxmF8PiR3yXGu-YQNKgr1uU)
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Post by: Bigfish on April 09, 2020, 11:22:19 AM
Only in America


https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1845748/?fbclid=IwAR38---5-0VDsyc4_reWiZQMvq5BCq1BB0MzCxmF8PiR3yXGu-YQNKgr1uU (https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1845748/?fbclid=IwAR38---5-0VDsyc4_reWiZQMvq5BCq1BB0MzCxmF8PiR3yXGu-YQNKgr1uU)


That cant be right Al....Trumpy reckons he,s got it all under control because he,s very smart..... ;D
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Post by: Pete79 on April 09, 2020, 11:27:45 AM

That cant be right Al....Trumpy reckons he,s got it all under control because he,s very smart..... ;D
They say he’s the smartest ever.
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Post by: alnjan on April 09, 2020, 11:33:05 AM

That cant be right Al....Trumpy reckons he,s got it all under control because he,s very smart..... ;D

and if he keeps saying it over and over often enough people will believe him.   But when you look at the other side it doesn't take much to be very smart I guess. 
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Post by: Bird on April 09, 2020, 02:36:35 PM
comment in todays paper

I can tell you the noise from cars travelling along the Surf Coast Highway and Great Ocean Rd has increased dramatically this morning and has been non stop since 6am.

I think many people aren't taking the 'stay at home' rule seriously. As a small coastal town, we are already being inundated with visitors arriving.

If you have a safe home, please stay in it. While we heavily rely on tourism for many businesses survival during a normal Easter holiday weekend, we are too small of a town to cope with the normal influx of Easter tourism during this crisis.
Please do the ethical thing and stay home.
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Post by: jclures on April 09, 2020, 05:42:51 PM
I think this is sending the wrong message.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/coronavirus-queensland-funeral-mourners-indigenous-significant/12132614
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Post by: alnjan on April 09, 2020, 06:22:30 PM
I think this is sending the wrong message.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/coronavirus-queensland-funeral-mourners-indigenous-significant/12132614

just heard it on the news.  One rule for all
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Post by: shakey55 on April 10, 2020, 06:03:53 AM

That cant be right Al....Trumpy reckons he,s got it all under control because he,s very smart..... ;D
And he said it would be over by Easter


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Post by: Bird on April 10, 2020, 03:21:43 PM
Wise man:
Don't believe cure claims for COVID-19, Deputy Chief Medical Officer warns


Bronx New York :(  US had 1900 people in 1 day ... thats insanity.


https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.313%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/37858cad41661b20a8fb87b296ee7bc9917c671f (https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.313%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/37858cad41661b20a8fb87b296ee7bc9917c671f)
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Post by: GeoffA on April 10, 2020, 03:25:20 PM
And he said it would be over by Easter

It is, for some.... :'(
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Post by: tryagain on April 10, 2020, 03:40:59 PM
https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.313%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/37858cad41661b20a8fb87b296ee7bc9917c671f (https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.313%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/37858cad41661b20a8fb87b296ee7bc9917c671f)

A week on and I think we are there, the death toll still trails Italy but not for long, the White House estimates from 100,000 to 240,000 deaths in the next two weeks we haven't seen anything yet. Expect to see piles of bodies in the news. :(

Thankfully not as bad as their predictions yet, looks like my one has come to pass though.
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Post by: Hairs on April 10, 2020, 03:48:58 PM


Wise man:
Don't believe cure claims for COVID-19, Deputy Chief Medical Officer warns


Bronx New York :(  US had 1900 people in 1 day ... thats insanity.


https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.313%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/37858cad41661b20a8fb87b296ee7bc9917c671f (https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.313%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/37858cad41661b20a8fb87b296ee7bc9917c671f)

They showed footage at lunch time ABC news,
That is haunting, disturbing and some still don't get it.

Listening to abc radio, update from the SA health mob
They have no idea what the flue and this virus may do.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on April 12, 2020, 11:47:09 AM
We are going to open this thread up again, before you post away have a quick read of this thread, lets keep it on topic and relevant without personnel attacks please

http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=57163.0 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=57163.0)

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 12, 2020, 01:12:03 PM
Interesting article on the three types of Covid19:

Lets see how the hyperlink goes....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8209837/There-TWO-strains-coronavirus-spreading-Australia.html?ITO=applenews (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8209837/There-TWO-strains-coronavirus-spreading-Australia.html?ITO=applenews)

 :cheers:



Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 12, 2020, 01:15:37 PM
And graphing the importance of isolation/lockdown..

(https://i.ibb.co/Qb5nRSq/Covid19-2.gif)

Stay Healthy everyone.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on April 12, 2020, 11:49:52 PM
And graphing the importance of isolation/lockdown..

(https://i.ibb.co/Qb5nRSq/Covid19-2.gif)

Stay Healthy everyone.
If only we knew China’s true graph


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 13, 2020, 06:58:10 AM
China and Russia,s figures are not believed by most countries.  North Korea hasn't had a case yet......very magical country that one...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on April 13, 2020, 07:53:00 AM
Its not just North Korea failing to post Covid19 cases. There are quite a few countries with no or very low number of cases. An interesting site I found this morning is worldmeteres.info/coronavirus/ .

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Post by: Fizzie on April 13, 2020, 07:59:12 AM
worldmeteres.info/coronavirus/ .


Typo in your link there, Champin! :-[

Here you go:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on April 13, 2020, 08:35:47 AM
Typo in your link there, Champin! :-[

Here you go:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Thanks Fizzie. Like I  sez...I'm challenged.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 13, 2020, 08:56:09 AM
Quite possible north Korea has no cases. Are or were there any regular flights going into the country ?  You may as well call it an isolated island.

And if you believe a few jokes going around, if a case or two came up, pretty easy to make them disappear !!  ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 13, 2020, 08:59:15 AM
Quite possible north Korea has no cases. Are or were there any regular flights going into the country ?  You may as well call it an isolated island.

And if you believe a few jokes going around, if a case or two came up, pretty easy to make them disappear !!  ;D

There surrounded by countries with big corona virus numbers.  The large amount of illegal (and state sanctioned ) smuggling means it is almost impossible for the country not to have the virus.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hoyks on April 13, 2020, 09:09:33 AM
Quite possible north Korea has no cases. Are or were there any regular flights going into the country ?  You may as well call it an isolated island.

And if you believe a few jokes going around, if a case or two came up, pretty easy to make them disappear !!  ;D

They have flights in and trains direct to China, so its a fair bet they have it.

But if you don't test and classify it 100% as COVID-19, then it is just another upper respiratory infection that develops into pneumonia and you die.

I'm sure the US has some imagery of ROK mass graves that they are sitting on.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 13, 2020, 09:33:49 AM
Its not just North Korea failing to post Covid19 cases. There are quite a few countries with no or very low number of cases.

Yeah, Yemen, Turkmenistan, Tajikstan, Kosovo, Lesotho are all still showing nothing, despite being surrounded by countries that do have it. Unfortunately that doesn't necessarily mean much, as they're all high on the list of places that you don't usually believe a word of what they say anyway! >:D

I think it was Turkmenistan, that I saw that the President, only a week or so ago, was still denying the existence of Covid ::)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: CTL on April 13, 2020, 01:36:28 PM
Thought I heard on the TV news last night, that England only counts CV19 deaths occurring in hospitals, not in their homes or nursing homes.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 13, 2020, 02:31:10 PM
Just saw a similar comment on another forum, & same with the US, in that a [/lot/] of related deaths aren't being counted ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 13, 2020, 02:46:11 PM
Yes. Part of the problem is not enough testing and being overwhelmed by the numbers. I’m sure researchers will pore over the records later to get better figures. If you have access the average mortality rate, then that may give a good indication of what is going on. In New York it is currently about 4x normal for the same period. Not all well be cornona  associated deaths but most probably will be.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 14, 2020, 10:05:57 AM
Quote from: Fizzie
Just saw a similar comment on another forum, & same with the US, in that a [/lot/] of related deaths aren't being counted ???
It will be like the Russians with Chernobyl...

Its also probably a little to keep people calm... "50 deaths" is a lot better than "20,000 deaths"
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 14, 2020, 11:31:01 AM
It will be like the Russians with Chernobyl...

Its also probably a little to keep people calm... "50 deaths" is a lot better than "20,000 deaths"

Maybe ours is so low because heaps panicked and bought dunny rolls.  Yanks panicked and bought guns.   Proof that its no good bringing a gun to a Shitfight...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 14, 2020, 11:41:27 AM
Interesting read from someone who had it.. Not many articles talking about it from those that have got through it

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One of Sutherland Hospital's first coronavirus cases is sending a message to young people to take the directions about social distancing seriously.

Grant Houldsworth - a top footballer in the shire in his younger years - said, "I wouldn't be able to pull on a jersey for the Sharks, but for a 40-year-old I am in good condition and look after myself".

"I would have thought I could fight off this virus without much difficulty, but I have to say it really kicked my butt.

"The main message I want to put out there is to remind people that this thing is, like, real, and that the directions we are getting about social distancing should be followed.

"People are behaving well around the shire, but at common gathering points, such as waiting for takeaway coffee, some are falling into old habits.

"I think we all have a social responsibility and, with the Easter long weekend here, I encourage everyone to make good decisions."

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6718931/sutherland-hospital-patient-coronavirus-really-kicked-my-butt/?cs=17293 (https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6718931/sutherland-hospital-patient-coronavirus-really-kicked-my-butt/?cs=17293)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on April 14, 2020, 01:14:39 PM
Maybe ours is so low because heaps panicked and bought dunny rolls.  Yanks panicked and bought guns.   Proof that its no good bringing a gun to a Shitfight...
Boom boom,  thank you.
:)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on April 14, 2020, 01:40:22 PM
Maybe ours is so low because heaps panicked and bought dunny rolls.  Yanks panicked and bought guns.   Proof that its no good bringing a gun to a Shitfight...
HaHa. That's Brilliant.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 14, 2020, 04:09:04 PM
NRL wont be played anytime soon...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby-league/queensland-premier-bins-state-of-origin-plans/ar-BB12zy4r?ocid=ob-fb-enau-307&fbclid=IwAR1-jahU9tdwpKZFw-HOskZwiZz7Rb2cP3kU00lw2JuS5I2hyCqWa8FO3wI (https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby-league/queensland-premier-bins-state-of-origin-plans/ar-BB12zy4r?ocid=ob-fb-enau-307&fbclid=IwAR1-jahU9tdwpKZFw-HOskZwiZz7Rb2cP3kU00lw2JuS5I2hyCqWa8FO3wI)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 14, 2020, 05:16:06 PM
NRL wont be played anytime soon...

OMG!!! :o :o :o

Anaphylaxis has said something that I actually agree with !!! :o :o :o >:D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on April 14, 2020, 10:43:43 PM
OMG!!! :o :o :o

Anaphylaxis has said something that I actually agree with !!! :o :o :o >:D
And this morning was the first time I’ve seen her on ABC news breakfast for about 2 weeks or more.

I was assuming it was because of the whole pretend time thing that only the southern premiers got air time every morning.
But obviously it was just because there was no important announcements that affected queenslanders during this whole pandemic.
No footy...!!! Now that’s obviously worth some tv time... ::)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Rodt on April 15, 2020, 07:10:20 AM
Can't deny it mate it is part of the social fabric for hundreds of thousands of people.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 15, 2020, 08:06:20 AM
Can't deny it mate it is part of the social fabric for hundreds of thousands of people.

Many millions of Australians would want their football back asap (all codes) whether they play, officiate, sponsor or just watch it is a huge part of many peoples fabric of life. Same as most countries around the world. Billions and billions of dollars invested in it.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 15, 2020, 10:01:33 AM
Does anyone know from what height Trump was dropped on his head at a young age?


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BREAKING: Trump halts WHO payments

US President Donald Trump said on Tuesday (Wednesday AEST) he has instructed his administration to at least temporarily halt funding to the World Health Organisation over its handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

Mr Trump, at a White House news conference, said the WHO had "failed in its basic duty and it must be held accountable."
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: db on April 15, 2020, 03:05:43 PM
Does anyone know from what height Trump was dropped on his head at a young age?

Not high enough!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 15, 2020, 03:23:15 PM
Does anyone know from what height Trump was dropped on his head at a young age?

I don't know, but occasionally when you wade through the madness of a lot of what he says, there is some sense. The WHO is supposed to be there for such a time as this hasn't exactly shone.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 15, 2020, 04:03:13 PM
I don't know, but occasionally when you wade through the madness of a lot of what he says, there is some sense. The WHO is supposed to be there for such a time as this hasn't exactly shone.

An interesting timeline.

https://www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/ (https://www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/)

I think one of the issues with the WHO response was the delay in actually getting into China to verify actions being undertaken and the associated time lost in early January (two weeks) on verifying that person to person transmission was possible.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 15, 2020, 04:22:17 PM
Not high enough!

The whole fiasco in America has highlighted what a complete and utter idiot this bloke is.  Everyday brings new lies, excuses, backflips and revelations about how he knew the whole time exactly how the pandemic would pan out...Asked a straight forward question at any of his new conferences and straight away your ridiculed for asking "nasty" questions.  So glad our pollies dont behave or speak like this tweedledumb!!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hoyks on April 15, 2020, 04:35:41 PM
Just saw a similar comment on another forum, & same with the US, in that a [/lot/] of related deaths aren't being counted ???
The ABC reported New York has a bit over 3000 to add onto the tally. People that died out of hospital without a COVID diagnosis, but the pathology reports are coming in. UK is around the same.

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tryagain on Today at 15:23:15

    I don't know, but occasionally when you wade through the madness of a lot of what he says, there is some sense. The WHO is supposed to be there for such a time as this hasn't exactly shone.

Not much though. He is a narrow minded bully that has grown up getting his own way.

The WHO isn't a health team to be activated in times of crisis, it isn't really their job. Health promotion is their game, it has always been the best bang for your health buck. The 'better a fence at the top of a cliff than a ambulance at the bottom' sort of thing.

https://www.who.int/governance/eb/who_constitution_en.pdf
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 15, 2020, 05:05:38 PM
The whole fiasco in America has highlighted what a complete and utter idiot this bloke is.  Everyday brings new lies, excuses, backflips and revelations about how he knew the whole time exactly how the pandemic would pan out...Asked a straight forward question at any of his new conferences and straight away your ridiculed for asking "nasty" questions.  So glad our pollies dont behave or speak like this tweedledumb!!

You may be correct in everything you said about him.....but the yanks love him.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 15, 2020, 05:24:47 PM
On the subject of virus tests that we were discussing - I had one this morning! :o

Haven't been anywhere or (to the best of my knowledge, but who really knows ???) been in contact with anybody who has, but, over the weekend, noticed that I was taking deeper breaths than usual & that my chest also felt a bit tight.

Had to go back to GP to get results on another matter, so, when I rang to make an appt, mentioned this to the receptionist. She didn't care re possible virus issues but immediately went to action stations re possible heart problem so wanted me to come in immediately, right now, don't worry about an appt! :o Did so, & on to ECG which showed all clear ;D , although there are more tests to do.

However, Dr then said that because of shortness of breath, despite not having a fever of any sort, I "have" to have a virus test.

So went in & got it done this morning, which I can't say was "fun" ::)

2 swabs, one stuffed up both nostrils, & the other to the back of the throat :-\ The nurse said "This is going to hurt a bit & bring tears to your eyes" & she was right :'(

So, now waiting till Friday to get the results of that ???

They were also doing a roaring trade! 6 people there with masks on in 15 minutes!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Brett on April 15, 2020, 05:33:31 PM
Ok people there has been a few moderation reports on this thread. Please bring it back to facts about coping with Covid19 or how it’s affecting you and not your opinions on political leaders.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on April 16, 2020, 08:34:39 PM
https://covid19-data.sydney.edu.au/ (https://covid19-data.sydney.edu.au/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 16, 2020, 10:15:56 PM
Four weeks more still from the PM- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/the-3-conditions-australia-needs-to-meet-before-coronavirus-restrictions-can-be-relaxed/ar-BB12HNc0

SA had no more Covid cases yesterday but with SA Health opening up sniffle testing to all and sundry today they've found one more case so it will be interesting to see how we go with that at detecting more mild/asymptomatic cases in the next few days. Bearing in mind those tested may have to quarantine up to 48 hrs waiting for clear test results but presumably you get contacted pronto with a positive result.

I guess SA has to run with that for 14 days incubation time to see whether we can ferret out more cases with tracking and quarantining of their contacts but if all goes well SA could join NT with ditching lockdown so watch the acid test for that. Oz has a good chance of defeating this virus altogether in the next few weeks but it changes international travel perhaps forever.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 16, 2020, 10:26:08 PM

. Oz has a good chance of defeating this virus altogether in the next few weeks but it changes international travel perhaps forever.

Not forever, but when the world gets on top of this, hopefully there will be more rigid tests of people returning here.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 16, 2020, 11:18:04 PM
Well the question is with the big wakeup call whether the majority in future want to see a 14 day user pays quarantine for every arrival and ditto the OS destinations.  That will certainly knock the enthusiasm out of many and the economies of scale with flight schedules accordingly. Bye bye Virgin already and here's the chuckle of the week-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/carnival-is-considering-cutting-passenger-capacity-on-its-cruise-ships-as-it-looks-for-ways-to-improve-safety-in-wake-of-coronavirus-outbreaks-sources-say/ar-BB12GK3d
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 17, 2020, 06:54:55 AM
Well the question is with the big wakeup call whether the majority in future want to see a 14 day user pays quarantine for every arrival and ditto the OS destinations.  That will certainly knock the enthusiasm out of many and the economies of scale with flight schedules accordingly. Bye bye Virgin already and here's the chuckle of the week-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/carnival-is-considering-cutting-passenger-capacity-on-its-cruise-ships-as-it-looks-for-ways-to-improve-safety-in-wake-of-coronavirus-outbreaks-sources-say/ar-BB12GK3d

Rearranging the seats on the Titanic is a saying that couldn,t be more apt.  . Minimum12 months, possibly 2 years , before a Vaccine is available.  Registered in Panama, Main company in the Bahamas and main office in USA....THEY WILL NOT GET OR QUALIFY FOR A LOAN TO GET THEM OUT OF TROUBLE.  GONE!!!   How are the various countries that these floating hotels visit going to accept the word from the liner that all is well. Once the vaccine is produced it will need to be available to everybody.  One case on a cruise ship or aircraft and its back to square one unless 14 day isolation is applied to every traveller....International travel is quite a few years awayI feel.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 17, 2020, 07:03:36 AM
Spoke to my sister who is living in England.  Whole country is in lock down if your over 65.  She knows quite a few nurses and says that most are scared and horrified at the death rate. She said they have seen healthy people come and in less than 2 days are dead. Dying in a horrible painful death that leaves the nurses shattered as they know this will be the pattern for quite a while to come.   Also said that it has brought whole communities together again and there is much sentiment amongst the people to start looking after the country and its people first...ie..more self sufficient. She was absolutely amazed at our very low death rate (63 dead and 40 in ICU). 6500 cases as well.  Oz is certainly at the top of the leader board in its handling and containment of the virus.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 17, 2020, 10:12:11 AM
Quote from: prodigyrf
...a nd here's the chuckle of the week-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/carnival-is-considering-cutting-passenger-capacity-on-its-cruise-ships-as-it-looks-for-ways-to-improve-safety-in-wake-of-coronavirus-outbreaks-sources-say/ar-BB12GK3d
They wont need to cut numbers... people will do it for them LMAO!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 17, 2020, 10:16:24 AM
On the subject of virus tests that we were discussing - I had one this morning! :o

So, now waiting till Friday to get the results of that ???

& results back negative!!! ;D

& got to say, that because of another medical issue that I have, I was pretty concerned about it, but all good again (at least for the time being).
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Post by: Jillsy on April 17, 2020, 10:24:06 AM
& results back negative!!! ;D

Excellent news Fizzie - I have been waiting to read this  :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 17, 2020, 10:35:02 AM
Excellent news Fizzie - I have been waiting to read this  :cheers:

Thank you very much! ;D

& believe me, I have well & truly been waiting to write it ;D :cup:
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Post by: plusnq on April 17, 2020, 10:51:53 AM
 :cup: Great news  :cheers:
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Post by: xcvator on April 17, 2020, 11:13:16 AM
 :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on April 17, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Awesome Fizzie. Thats gotta be a load off your mind.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: jclures on April 17, 2020, 01:23:20 PM
I think we might have a new outbreak in Cairns at the hospital testing lab.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 17, 2020, 01:39:02 PM
:cup: :cup:

Awesome Fizzie. Thats gotta be a load off your mind.

Thanks, fellas :cup:

Well & truly is ;D

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 17, 2020, 01:40:43 PM
I think we might have a new outbreak in Cairns at the hospital testing lab.


Yep :'(

http://www.mygc.com.au/lab-worker-among-six-new-qld-covid-19-cases/ (http://www.mygc.com.au/lab-worker-among-six-new-qld-covid-19-cases/)

But in contact with another carrier, nothing to do with work!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 17, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
& don't hold your breath waiting on a vaccine! :'(

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 17, 2020, 03:45:55 PM
Well we haven't managed a vaccine for the common cold yet which can be caused by corona and rhino viruses but that fact hasn't been widely acknowledged to date. That's why Oz has to eradicate this virus before a satisfactory treatment can be found and hence ongoing detection and quarantining. The Lucky Isle has among the best chances at that but we may fail due to widespread asymptomatic carriers already and this is not a good look in that regard- https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/singapore-reports-record-jump-in-virus-infections/ar-BB12Kxgj

China figures you can't trust but if their infection rate returns which they won't be able to hide it's all over for global pandemic control and welcome to survival of the fittest with eventual herd immunity. That's what the brains trust are grappling with but at some stage the economic imperative will outweigh the medical problem but there's no handbook for any of it.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 19, 2020, 01:10:46 PM
Heard earlier from our Duty Radio Operator that 127 vessels (power boats & jet skis) went out through the Creek this morning :o

Good to see that the idea of not going fishing is working well! ::)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 20, 2020, 07:14:18 AM
This article fits well with the facts not fiction title https://medium.com/swlh/misinformation-goes-viral-1aad951e4492 (https://medium.com/swlh/misinformation-goes-viral-1aad951e4492)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Beachman on April 20, 2020, 07:40:38 AM
Heard earlier from our Duty Radio Operator that 127 vessels (power boats & jet skis) went out through the Creek this morning :o

Good to see that the idea of not going fishing is working well! ::)

But in QLD your allowed to go fishing for the purpose of catching food? One of my mates got pulled over by the water police last weekend and they just checked to make sure he had fishing rods and who the occupants of the boat were. In his case it was he 2 children so was told to have a nice day.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on April 20, 2020, 07:49:33 AM
Wife wasn't feeling great on the weekend so she went to the Docs on Saturday. As she is still working at her office, and classified as an essential service worker, they gave her the COVID-19 test as a precaution. Should get the results today, we're expecting a negative but it's a little bit stressful.
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Post by: edz on April 20, 2020, 08:48:08 AM
Fngers crossed all is going to be well D4D..
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Post by: achjimmy on April 20, 2020, 08:50:43 AM
Wife wasn't feeling great on the weekend so she went to the Docs on Saturday. As she is still working at her office, and classified as an essential service worker, they gave her the COVID-19 test as a precaution. Should get the results today, we're expecting a negative but it's a little bit stressful.

Ekkk fingers crossed for Mrs D4D mate
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 20, 2020, 09:57:42 AM
it's a little bit stressful.

It certainly is that! :'(

Fingers crossed! :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 20, 2020, 09:59:43 AM
But in QLD your allowed to go fishing for the purpose of catching food? One of my mates got pulled over by the water police last weekend and they just checked to make sure he had fishing rods and who the occupants of the boat were. In his case it was he 2 children so was told to have a nice day.

Think it's how you interpret it ???

The rules (appear to) say "Fishing is OK if you need to feed your family", but the powers-that-be then say "Please don't" ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 20, 2020, 10:57:20 AM
Think it's how you interpret it ???

The rules (appear to) say "Fishing is OK if you need to feed your family", but the powers-that-be then say "Please don't" ???

In Tasmania you can go fishing, but you can only launch your boat in your home local government area.  You can also play Golf.....  The club up the road allways has a lot of vehicles in the car park, and its FB site says not to turn  up for a hit unless you have booked online.  No "walk ups".

Bunnings car parks are usually chockers, but strangely not that busy inside. Not many family groups there.  Most of the "sales" areas at the ends of aisles have been taken away.

 :cheers:
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Post by: D4D on April 20, 2020, 02:37:35 PM
Ekkk fingers crossed for Mrs D4D mate

Thanks, all good results just came back and are negative.
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Post by: Fizzie on April 20, 2020, 02:59:22 PM
Yay! :cup:
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Post by: achjimmy on April 20, 2020, 04:31:34 PM
Thanks, all good results just came back and are negative.

 :cheers:
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Post by: achjimmy on April 20, 2020, 04:32:27 PM
In relation to covid testing , I am told it’s quite invasive the swab has to go right up into the sinus! Is that true ?
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on April 20, 2020, 05:16:25 PM
Thanks, all good results just came back and are negative.

Great news

GG
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Post by: Bird on April 20, 2020, 05:25:21 PM
Quote from: D4D
Thanks, all good results just came back and are negative.

Nice work digger... thats a weight off ya mind. now back to fixing the garage roof lining ;)
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Post by: Hairs on April 20, 2020, 06:04:21 PM
Thanks, all good results just came back and are negative.
Awesome to hear D4D,
:)
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Post by: gronk on April 20, 2020, 06:05:50 PM
In relation to covid testing , I am told it’s quite invasive the swab has to go right up into the sinus! Is that true ?

I believe so !!
I've had a few cameras up into and around the nasal and sinus passages and even though there wasn't any real pain, it certainly wasn't pleasant.
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Post by: D4D on April 20, 2020, 06:08:47 PM
In relation to covid testing , I am told it’s quite invasive the swab has to go right up into the sinus! Is that true ?

Yes, one swab up the nose all the way and one down the throat. My wife said it wasn't pleasant.
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Post by: alnjan on April 20, 2020, 08:19:43 PM
Yes, one swab up the nose all the way and one down the throat. My wife said it wasn't pleasant.

The Bride said the same, one swab for each nostril and one down the throat.   Three swabs.  Wasn't pleasant but not overly uncomfortable. 
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Post by: D4D on April 21, 2020, 06:29:51 AM
Reports this morning suggesting Virgin has gone into administration with $5B of debt, another Ansett...
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Post by: gronk on April 21, 2020, 06:45:18 AM
Reports this morning suggesting Virgin has gone into administration with $5B of debt, another Ansett...
Reports that Richard Branson has already dumped 250 million into Virgin Australia and Atlantic, so how much to get them out of trouble ??
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Post by: D4D on April 21, 2020, 07:01:43 AM
Reports that Richard Branson has already dumped 250 million into Virgin Australia and Atlantic, so how much to get them out of trouble ??

He only has a 10% stake in VA, conspiracy theorists will suggest, they'll let it go under then China will buy it back cheap...
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Post by: Kangaron on April 21, 2020, 07:25:56 AM
I realise we need competition in the air, but,
How can a company lawfully operate with a debt of 5 billion?
It was my understanding that once your debts outweigh your assets you are insolvent.

Why should and public money be thrown at a company that is 90% foreign owned.

Now they have announced they may go into voluntary liquidation, surely that is a ply to get the money bidding between Qld and NSW to heat up?
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Post by: D4D on April 21, 2020, 07:35:59 AM
How can a company lawfully operate with a debt of 5 billion?
It was my understanding that once your debts outweigh your assets you are insolvent.

I'd suggest their incoming funds were just covering their outgoings so they were trading just above the insolvency line.

Now they have announced they may go into voluntary liquidation, surely that is a ply to get the money bidding between Qld and NSW to heat up?

Yep there will be lots of angles going on at the moment. Making the voluntary admin call is a big statement and one they wouldn't undertake lightly as it will dry up any access to potential funds and investors.
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Post by: achjimmy on April 21, 2020, 08:51:27 AM
VA already has 40% Chinese ownership
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Post by: Bird on April 21, 2020, 10:04:16 AM
Oils going well
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Post by: tryagain on April 21, 2020, 10:16:29 AM
It will be a bit like channel 10 was last year for Virgin. It's the debt that is trying it down. Voluntary Administration means it creditors don't get their money (likely only a fraction of it anyway), but then the business can hopefully go forwards under a new owner(s) without the debt obligations pulling it down. The Gov shouldn't be getting involved yet to help out foreign investors, they will wait till the other side when it needs to rise from the ashes.
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Post by: Brij on April 21, 2020, 10:22:55 AM
I am far from an economist, and I fear for the job losses at VA and associated suppliers and industry but.....listening to morning news interveiw this morning as to why Aust government should step in -

* Will leave only one regional airline who will have a monopoly.
But the media will have us believe we will probably be locked down for some time yet, with interstate travel being one of the last things to come on line, so where is the market to support 2 regional airlines, or would they both run at a loss for years to come?
Alternatively if there is a market will this not entice another operator to set up shop to tap into this market to take advantage of the supposed higher prices the momopoly will supply?

*Thousands of VA employees out of work.
If there is no market won't they be out of work anyway?
If there is a market won't the suppliers in that market need employees?

*We need to support so it doesn't become owned by the Chinese.
Majority foreign owned already, and appears Chinese might go close to majority ownership anyway. So does that mean that Aust Gov should be supporting Chinese owned enterprises.
(Please don't take as distinctly anti Chinese. Sometimes if the Chinese weren't to invest or buy a business or company it would fold due to lack of investment, with the subsequent loss of employment).
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Post by: Bird on April 21, 2020, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: Brij
* Will leave only one regional airline who will have a monopoly.
has having 2 made any difference? Im no genius but when one goes up in price, by miracle the opposition does too.. like petrol.

*Thousands of VA employees out of work.
The loss of jobs does concern me greatly.

*We need to support so it doesn't become owned by the Chinese.
Far too late.
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Post by: tryagain on April 21, 2020, 11:13:57 AM
has having 2 made any difference? Im no genius but when one goes up in price, by miracle the opposition does too.. like petrol.

*Thousands of VA employees out of work.
The loss of jobs does concern me greatly.

*We need to support so it doesn't become owned by the Chinese.
Far too late.

From memory, Qantas prices when Ansett went bust went sky high
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Post by: Bird on April 21, 2020, 11:42:40 AM
From memory, Qantas prices when Ansett went bust went sky high
Qantas shares up 5% LOL!
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Post by: westvic on April 21, 2020, 12:13:36 PM
In relation to covid testing , I am told it’s quite invasive the swab has to go right up into the sinus! Is that true ?

daughter had this yesterday and yep quite invasive

single swab used 3 times, first right to the back of the throat (gag!) and right up into back of nostril left followed by right (eye watering)

was really proud of miss13 as she didnt even move her head or make a sound but did have tears pouring out from the nostril swab
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Post by: D4D on April 21, 2020, 12:15:32 PM
In QFs defence in wasn't long ago they were in the same debt position. They've spent years improving their financials and are in a position to survive during the current situation, remember the QF strike. VAA on the other hand have kept borrowing and haven't been as financially prudent as their competition. Takes a lot of cash to run an airline and at slim margins, we all want cheap flights, are we going to excuse poor financial management and bail them out? I'm old enough to remember Ansett going under and taking lots of jobs and my 300,000+ frequent flyer points with it. We survived and from the ashes another airline was born. The cycle repeats...
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Post by: Brij on April 21, 2020, 12:52:11 PM
From memory, Qantas prices when Ansett went bust went sky high

I have distant memories of flying on Ansett Melbourne Perth  and return just as their financial wows started making the news.

The difference in price seemed significant even at that point, let alone when their situation become well published.

Keep in mind though - that is just how I remember it, and was quite a while ago now, and I am far from an experienced flyer. That might of even been my first flight.
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Post by: Fizzie on April 21, 2020, 01:18:38 PM
single swab used 3 times,

was really proud of miss13

At least they used 2 swabs when they did mine! ::)

Hope everything comes back OK
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Post by: Pete79 on April 21, 2020, 01:44:47 PM
From memory, Qantas prices when Ansett went bust went sky high
And a Qantas flight from Townsville to Brisbane was $500+ until Virgin started flying that route.
They somehow managed to shave almost $400 off that fair once the competition arrived. ;)
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Post by: prodigyrf on April 21, 2020, 02:09:54 PM
Competitive supply works this way. It's only a necessary condition that there be free entry into the market and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the size and number of suppliers that eventuates under such condition.(think Coles and Woollies market share here) That's why we had expensive airfares with the old restricted TAA/Ansett duopoly and once that ended and anyone with backing and aircraft could join down came the margins. Even if upon restart Qantas put up their prices in the short run they'll be acutely aware there's another Richard Branson or whoever that can lay their hands on plenty of cheap aircraft parked up around the world plus cash sloshing around looking for a return to attack their margins. Bunnings don't need a Masters to tell them that either.

Sorry Virgin employees but you're just like blacksmiths with Henry Ford around at present and you'll have to adapt like everyone else who's seen demand for their services smashed. When will Airbus and Boeing employees be making planes again you have to ask yourself? We can't pay taxes to pension them all for life and there's a productive generation have to pay back this Jobkeeper/Jobseeker largesse sooner or later if the money printing isn't to go away with massive stagflation. Take your pick but the cost has to be borne sooner or later with lots of IOUs chasing too few real goods and services now.   
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Post by: D4D on April 21, 2020, 02:20:06 PM
And a Qantas flight from Townsville to Brisbane was $500+ until Virgin started flying that route.
They somehow managed to shave almost $400 off that fair once the competition arrived. ;)

That's a loss leader, nobody is making any money and it isn't sustainable, they are trying to buy market share and brand loyalty.
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Post by: alnjan on April 21, 2020, 02:30:55 PM
daughter had this yesterday and yep quite invasive

single swab used 3 times, first right to the back of the throat (gag!) and right up into back of nostril left followed by right (eye watering)

was really proud of miss13 as she didnt even move her head or make a sound but did have tears pouring out from the nostril swab

Just asked the Bride.  Separate swab for each swab, one for left nostril, one for right nostril one for back of throat. 
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Post by: Beachman on April 21, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
In QFs defence in wasn't long ago they were in the same debt position. They've spent years improving their financials and are in a position to survive during the current situation, remember the QF strike. VAA on the other hand have kept borrowing and haven't been as financially prudent as their competition. Takes a lot of cash to run an airline and at slim margins, we all want cheap flights, are we going to excuse poor financial management and bail them out? I'm old enough to remember Ansett going under and taking lots of jobs and my 300,000+ frequent flyer points with it. We survived and from the ashes another airline was born. The cycle repeats...

My best mate as a Qantas Pilot and currently working one month on and one month off (He has been there for years with lots of holidays/long service, so he is taking the month off at half pay out of his holidays)

He was saying seeing the planes are virtually empty, they are now carrying a lot of freight to try and cover costs.

But he and his mates make me laugh as during the strikes they all hated Alan Joyce for taking the tough approach, but now they can see those changes have allowed them to keep trading they now think he is a hero.
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Post by: KeithB on April 21, 2020, 08:16:16 PM
I got onto the ALDI customer service thingy and compared Aldi's COVID-19 policy with that of Woolworths. Our local Aldi as at last Friday had done absolutely nothing; it was business as usual.

Woolies has people at the door with hand sanitiser for customers, wiping down baskets and wipes for trolleys, one way aisles to keep customers separated plus clicking customers in and out to control numbers in the store.

Aldi has done bugger all. I mentioned to them that we would no longer shop there until they had taken reasonable steps to ensure personal safety. Here is their reply:


-----Original Message-----
From: noreply@salesforce.com [mailto:noreply@salesforce.com] On Behalf Of Customerservice@aldi
Sent: Tuesday, 21 April 2020 10:56 AM
Subject: Store Feedback [ ref:_00D7F1xExv._5002v2mgeOE:ref ]

Hi Keith,

I’m emailing in response to the feedback you provided about a recent experience you had at the ALDI store.

We are in the process of protecting our employees and shoppers in these challenging times as this is unchartered territory for many of us. Be that as it may, please be assured that we take your feedback seriously and I have raised the matter with the appropriate departments for review.

To help maintain a clean and safe environment for you and our employees, we are intensifying cleaning practices at all of our stores, offices and warehouses.  We have dedicated more time to sanitisation procedures, focused on the most common touch points.

We are also currently installing hygiene stations at the entry of our stores. This includes antibacterial wipes to clean trolley surfaces and hand sanitiser for our customers before they enter our stores.

On behalf of ALDI, I apologise for the unfortunate experience you’ve had and thanks for contacting us and giving us the opportunity to address the issue. I’m confident we’ll be able to resolve the matter promptly and hope that you will continue to enjoy shopping at ALDI.

Kind Regards,

My comment: This is nowhere near good enough from Aldi. They have put bucks ahead of safety. They have lost us as customers.

Keith
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Post by: Pottsy on April 21, 2020, 08:41:51 PM
Bit slow in Sydney Keith, our local store in southern Adelaide has done a great job, social distancing markers, screens at check out, security controlling numbers etc for nearly four weeks, including changes to trading hours to ensure stock on shelves.
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Post by: edz on April 21, 2020, 10:13:03 PM
Drove past ours and wondered what was going on with the crowd and security at the doors ... then heard it come over the radio about  limiting numbers etc  in shops  .. Our local Aldi has security on the doors / limiting numbers and staff doing the hand sanitiser / wipe thing ....
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Post by: gronk on April 21, 2020, 10:16:02 PM


Woolies has people at the door with hand sanitiser for customers, wiping down baskets and wipes for trolleys, one way aisles to keep customers separated plus clicking customers in and out to control numbers in the store.


Keith

Our local woolies wipes down the handles on trolleys....but none of the other things you list.

Local Bunnings of a saturday is PACKED.....hand sanitiser at the front door....nothing else....

I think we might have this thing under control, but the vast amount of people who had to go shopping could have made it much worse.
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Post by: GeoffA on April 21, 2020, 10:28:00 PM
Went to the local Bunnings early on Sunday morning.
Nobody else around, but I was made to enter via the other side of the entry as that is now the designated "IN" door.
How do one-way aisles and designated IN and OUT doors keep people separated?
Some of these policies really make you wonder....

 :cheers:
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 22, 2020, 05:23:14 AM
Went to the local Bunnings early on Sunday morning.
Nobody else around, but I was made to enter via the other side of the entry as that is now the designated "IN" door.
How do one-way aisles and designated IN and OUT doors keep people separated?
Some of these policies really make you wonder....

 :cheers:

No-one is going to get it 100% correct or even close.

But, they are trying to do stuff to make people as safe as they can.
Some stuff is over the top, some stuff, not so much..... but they're having a go.

Not having a shot at you Geoff, just folks in general.

Everyday, half the country says were not doing enough.
The other half thinks its waaaay over the top and too much.

Regardless of what's done, ya can't please all the people all the time.

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Post by: GeoffA on April 22, 2020, 09:46:59 AM
No-one is going to get it 100% correct or even close.

But, they are trying to do stuff to make people as safe as they can.
Some stuff is over the top, some stuff, not so much..... but they're having a go.

Not having a shot at you Geoff, just folks in general.

Everyday, half the country says were not doing enough.
The other half thinks its waaaay over the top and too much.

Regardless of what's done, ya can't please all the people all the time.

I'd settle for logical.....
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 22, 2020, 09:56:39 AM
I'd settle for logical.....

Good luck with that concept.  :D
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Post by: prodigyrf on April 22, 2020, 12:12:16 PM
Don't count on a vaccine in a hurry and with more Oz States getting zero outcomes with ramped up testing and we manage knock it on the head Australia is headed for a massive paradigm shift in quarantining every arrival from then on- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-has-mutated-to-become-deadlier-in-europe-than-the-us-study-finds/ar-BB12ZC9b

PS: That will be full user pays remember and not the cheap hotels at present with free comprehensive testing-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-arrivals-face-dollar2500-bill-for-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine/ar-BB11Tm1L
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Post by: prodigyrf on April 23, 2020, 03:59:52 PM
It's not exactly making life easy for the test, test, test, tracking and quarantining routine-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/recovered-almost-chinas-early-patients-unable-to-shed-coronavirus/ar-BB132jaH
If word got around they want positive testers to quarantine until the all clear that could result in some reluctance to get sniffle tested. (a further dark horse is there's some evidence emerging OS that it hangs around longer with those having had flu shots albeit with mild symptoms )  All will be revealed ultimately.
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Post by: Bigfish on April 29, 2020, 09:34:18 AM
Finally a bit of encouraging news...https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/04/29/uq-coronavirus-vaccine-preclinical-tests/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200429 (https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/04/29/uq-coronavirus-vaccine-preclinical-tests/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200429)
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Post by: prodigyrf on May 12, 2020, 02:18:54 AM
It varies a bit from week to week but it's comforting to know the omniscient overlords have it all under control-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/scientists-concerned-that-coronavirus-is-adapting-to-humans/ar-BB13SW98

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/past-studies-have-revealed-coronavirus-vaccines-actually-enhanced-infection/ar-BB13TJSN

Meanwhile in South Oz I'm still contemplating which of the State's RV friendliest regions to anoint with our overwhelming presence and economic largesse as the Premier beckons. Perhaps with all the Fed helicopter money there won't be the fireworks and welcoming parades promised? At any rate the munchkins back at school should please a few impromptu home schoolers no doubt  ;D
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Post by: Bird on May 12, 2020, 09:39:14 AM
Quote from: prodigyrf
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/past-studies-have-revealed-coronavirus-vaccines-actually-enhanced-infection/ar-BB13TJSN

then that wouldnt be a vaccine would it... ?
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Post by: Bird on May 12, 2020, 10:18:26 AM
Germany reported that new coronavirus infections were accelerating exponentially after early steps to ease its lockdown, news that sounded a global alarm even as businesses opened from Paris hair salons to Shanghai Disneyland.
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Post by: prodigyrf on May 12, 2020, 08:32:36 PM
then that wouldnt be a vaccine would it... ?

Well I understand that's the big problem because coronaviruses are responsible for the common cold along with rhinoviruses and there hasn't been any successful vaccines yet although they've tried but they're no doubt looking for more volunteers....?

Anyhow with Rona it looks like we blokes have drawn the short straw again-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/why-men-are-more-vulnerable-to-covid-19/ar-BB13SF4h
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Post by: Bigfish on May 15, 2020, 08:01:41 AM
Why America is in deep Shit....

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisElection/videos/568778563746455/ (https://www.facebook.com/NowThisElection/videos/568778563746455/)
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Post by: Bird on May 16, 2020, 12:11:56 PM
Interesting to see how those that catch it the second time fare.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/sailors-on-sidelined-aircraft-carrier-get-coronavirus-for-second-time-20200516-p54tj5.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/sailors-on-sidelined-aircraft-carrier-get-coronavirus-for-second-time-20200516-p54tj5.html)
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Post by: Bigfish on May 16, 2020, 02:14:32 PM
Interesting to see how those that catch it the second time fare.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/sailors-on-sidelined-aircraft-carrier-get-coronavirus-for-second-time-20200516-p54tj5.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/sailors-on-sidelined-aircraft-carrier-get-coronavirus-for-second-time-20200516-p54tj5.html)

We know virtually jackShit about this virus but many just write it off as a nothing event.  So many people trying to do the right thing but a few morons can ruin it for all. Its all about me and not we now...no wonder we are in strife..

America is in big trouble...thank goodness I live in the worlds best country.   Private health may be expensive but at least our public health system works!!
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Post by: prodigyrf on May 16, 2020, 04:55:24 PM
Well just to reiterate we all need to be responsible for our own family/household health and just like a thermometer to test for fever you should also have an inexpensive fingertip pulse oximeter-
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/explained/article/3083871/why-singapore-issuing-20000-pulse-oximeters-migrant-workers
They will test for any of the many viral respiratory infection threats including the silent killer pneumonia although at present they're in short supply with higher pricing as the world wakes up to their value in triaging respiratory problems early. You have the answer at your fingertips- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wouUBT80nU
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Post by: plusnq on May 16, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Well just to reiterate we all need to be responsible for our own family/household health and just like a thermometer to test for fever you should also have an inexpensive fingertip pulse oximeter-
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/explained/article/3083871/why-singapore-issuing-20000-pulse-oximeters-migrant-workers
They will test for any of the many viral respiratory infection threats including the silent killer pneumonia although at present they're in short supply with higher pricing as the world wakes up to their value in triaging respiratory problems early. You have the answer at your fingertips- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wouUBT80nU

They are really useful for giving a quantitative assessment to the hospital/emergency services when you contact them. Much better than saying I am short of breath
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Post by: gronk on May 16, 2020, 05:56:41 PM


America is in big trouble...thank goodness I live in the worlds best country.

As for the virus, Taiwan is the "best" country ATM. Nearly the same population as us, but 440 cases, 7 deaths......compared to us...7,000 cases ...98 deaths.
They locked their borders a lot earlier than us, which is what we should have done.
But yes, on the whole, we are one lucky country.
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Post by: Bigfish on May 16, 2020, 06:10:15 PM
As for the virus, Taiwan is the "best" country ATM. Nearly the same population as us, but 440 cases, 7 deaths......compared to us...7,000 cases ...98 deaths.
They locked their borders a lot earlier than us, which is what we should have done.
But yes, on the whole, we are one lucky country.

Doesn,t matter about the virus Gronk...we are still the best country to live in.  Agree...we should have shut down earlier and the Ruby Princess debacle was a complete cluster f.  Scomo,s jogging along ok now...big test will be in a few months when the economy (and the world) will be in a not so good place. :cheers:
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Post by: Hairs on May 16, 2020, 06:25:33 PM
Doesn,t matter about the virus Gronk...we are still the best country to live in.  Agree...we should have shut down earlier and the Ruby Princess debacle was a complete cluster f.  Scomo,s jogging along ok now...big test will be in a few months when the economy (and the world) will be in a not so good place. :cheers:
Agree with you both.
6 months from now, will be the test.
Cheers.
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Post by: alnjan on May 16, 2020, 08:39:17 PM
did I hear on the news they are saying Russia is the new hot spot for COVID-19 with now over 274000 confirmed case, second to the USA.   Their Death rate is still low by comparison,  only about 2700 compared to 10s of thousands in UK and some European Countries.   So much for early comments about Russia not being infected by their Chinese Comrades. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on May 17, 2020, 03:09:53 PM
News reports today,
cambodia 0 covid cases.
What The?
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Post by: Bigfish on May 17, 2020, 03:50:46 PM
News reports today,
cambodia 0 covid cases.
What The?

If politicians pay rate relied on honesty majority would all be broke and penniless...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on May 17, 2020, 04:45:06 PM
If politicians pay rate relied on honesty majority would all be broke and penniless...
Yep, agree.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on May 18, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
The virus has been around long enough for the graphs to start showing what’s actually going on.
Or more specifically, what effect different countries strategies are having.


The Aus ‘lockdown’ model;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200518/a1fd93573fcf4aeb469aa9e44a8fdfb2.jpg)


The UK’s ‘herd immunity’ model;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200518/28a94314a3db2eaea6592e35aadc24ee.jpg)


And the USA’s ‘pretend it doesn’t exist, tell the population it will magically disappear’ model;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200518/ba4c9a601ad380eb3f6895fe43a8b681.jpg)

Coincidentally that 1.5 million cases in the US equates to almost 35% of the total global cases.
Not sure if they’ve been given an exact date when it will magically disappear from their country, but I guess they’re hoping it’s pretty soon. :(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Paddler Ed on May 18, 2020, 02:34:36 PM
I spoke to my parents in the UK, who are already despairing of how the govt are (mis)managing it - but this was reinforced when I told them the number of deaths in their county was over double the whole of Australia...

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/05/17/three-more-county-coronavirus-deaths-confirmed/ (https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/05/17/three-more-county-coronavirus-deaths-confirmed/)

Stay home, or if you can't, at least stay locally, even as things "open up" - there are areas of NSW that are now approaching a couple of weeks without new cases, and this pattern needs to spread across the whole State.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on May 21, 2020, 10:11:11 AM
IT isnt going away quick.. lets hope the 'relaxing' of regs isnt too soon


'Biggest daily increase in coronavirus cases triggers WHO concern
The global health body says 106,000 new cases of coronavirus were confirmed in 24 hours - the most in a single day since the outbreak began.'
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on May 25, 2020, 09:59:02 AM
"Tourist accommodation such as caravan parks and camping grounds can open, but there can be no use of communal facilities such as kitchens and bathrooms."

So that means piles of Shit and Shit tickets everywhere out in the bush
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Post by: Spada on May 25, 2020, 11:36:24 AM
"Tourist accommodation such as caravan parks and camping grounds can open, but there can be no use of communal facilities such as kitchens and bathrooms."

only in Vic, Qld is still locked up till June 12th.  :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on May 25, 2020, 02:49:44 PM
Corona Virus.
New South Wales' greatest export of 2020.....  >:D

(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.841%2C$multiply_0.7554%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_137/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/97ea8796d254ded6b3896e6b4ba05c1d5bb42c30)
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Post by: Mace on May 25, 2020, 04:02:45 PM
Corona Virus.
New South Wales' greatest export of 2020.....  >:D


Actually......

the Ruby Princess directly and indirectly has been linked to 11 deaths in Tasmania.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/tasmania-coronavirus-outbreak-traced-to-two-ruby-princess-passengers (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/tasmania-coronavirus-outbreak-traced-to-two-ruby-princess-passengers)

And as of a few weeks ago, 22 directly nationally, ...

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-covid-19-death-toll-reaches-100-20200519-p54uhb.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-covid-19-death-toll-reaches-100-20200519-p54uhb.html)



Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on May 25, 2020, 04:07:51 PM
Actually......

the Ruby Princess directly and indirectly has been linked to 11 deaths in Tasmania.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/tasmania-coronavirus-outbreak-traced-to-two-ruby-princess-passengers (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/tasmania-coronavirus-outbreak-traced-to-two-ruby-princess-passengers)

And as of a few weeks ago, 22 nationally...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-13/australia-coronavirus-death-toll-rises-ruby-princess-fatality/12239626 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-13/australia-coronavirus-death-toll-rises-ruby-princess-fatality/12239626)

The only way you'd get on that boat is on scuba at 120ft.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on May 25, 2020, 04:53:33 PM
Actually......

the Ruby Princess directly and indirectly has been linked to 11 deaths in Tasmania.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/tasmania-coronavirus-outbreak-traced-to-two-ruby-princess-passengers (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/tasmania-coronavirus-outbreak-traced-to-two-ruby-princess-passengers)

And as of a few weeks ago, 22 directly nationally, ...

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-covid-19-death-toll-reaches-100-20200519-p54uhb.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-covid-19-death-toll-reaches-100-20200519-p54uhb.html)
Yeah just over 10% of all cases in Australia can be traced back to NSW incompetence. ;)

Would type more, but Gladys will be on the telly soon and I need to make sure I know what advise she has for how the rest of the country should be run today. Ya know, after doing such a great job of leading be example and all that... ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on May 26, 2020, 08:03:16 AM
So it looks like there is indisputable proof with the 5g network link to the virus...

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/breaking-news/1918-spanish-flu-outbreak-linked-to-5g-telegram-network/ (https://www.betootaadvocate.com/breaking-news/1918-spanish-flu-outbreak-linked-to-5g-telegram-network/)

 :cup:     ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on May 26, 2020, 09:16:36 AM
interesting listening to teacher while Beks at home schooing

The local bus company isnt going to let more than 20 people (students or adults) on buses at 1 time... they are also not going to run extra buses to help with all this... so more parents will be driving drop off zones will be chaos etc..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 11, 2020, 11:48:44 AM
Talking to our team in India- They are in deep Shit over there.
The team are in lockdown still (few months now) - but its still spreading like wildfire.

'our state Maharashtra having more then no of cases compared to Wuhan '

I asked if they were in lockdown, and he said
'Some labs have been released slowly back to work at 8 lab is started but IT are working from home but infection is spreading like any thing every day count is increasing..'

I hope people stop pushing for travel and borders to be opened... it wouldnt take much to turn to Shit ...

edit: then you see the headline - 'Melbourne Black Lives Matter protest attendee contracts COVID-19 '.., ****tards
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Post by: tryagain on June 11, 2020, 12:30:05 PM
edit: then you see the headline - 'Melbourne Black Lives Matter protest attendee contracts COVID-19 '.., ****tards

Yep if it turns out the protests caused it to spread, and anyone dies as a result, all the organisers should all be charged with manslaughter. My mates mum died a few weeks back, only 20 were allowed to attend her funeral, he rightly got pissed off that her funeral was substantially limited but then all these clowns are out marching on mass. I think it has a reasonable probability of spectacularly backfiring on those who organised it and it actually causing damage by getting more people offside than on. 

Edit, just saw some of the FB comments on the news article, I think the reasonable probability is a big understatement.
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Post by: Bigfish on June 11, 2020, 02:39:08 PM
Another 8 cases in Mexico Victoria.  Very surprised that someone from the protests on the weekend tested positive.  NOT.   How dumb are some people. Leave the borders as they are.  Why the hell would you open them ?  We have also been warned that if we get a second wave we would be in dire straits economy wise.  Even now the  worlds economic outlook isn't real flash.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 11, 2020, 03:05:20 PM
Quote from: tryagain
Yep if it turns out the protests caused it to spread, and anyone dies as a result, all the organisers should all be charged with manslaughter. My mates mum died a few weeks back, only 20 were allowed to attend her funeral, he rightly got pissed off that her funeral was substantially limited but then all these clowns are out marching on mass. I think it has a reasonable probability of spectacularly backfiring on those who organised it and it actually causing damage by getting more people offside than on. 

Mates wife died 3 weeks ago - 47yrs old... same thing with limited numbers. The funeral was videoed and put on stalkerbook..  Another mate said there were ~20 there spread around the church.
Got another friend in the last weeks of life, ~45yrs old, what a horrible way to spend your last weeks on this rock but locked away from anything and everything incase you catch it.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jimbags on June 11, 2020, 09:24:16 PM
Yup, does suck. Had to fair well my father in law 2 mths ago. Only the immediate family and partners could go. Even the grandkids had to stay home. Was streamed on the internet to hundreds which in hindsight was good for his family overseas who may not have got to see it had we not been forced to due to covid restrictions.

Has been hard on the family and we were so stoked to be able to all catch up last weekend for the first time now that we can have more people over.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on June 12, 2020, 06:46:49 AM
edit: then you see the headline - 'Melbourne Black Lives Matter protest attendee contracts COVID-19 '..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 12, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
and Rent-a-deadShit are at it again
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-protests-planned-for-melbourne-prompt-virus-fears-20200612-p551v0.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-protests-planned-for-melbourne-prompt-virus-fears-20200612-p551v0.html)
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Post by: Bigfish on June 12, 2020, 11:53:11 AM
and Rent-a-deadShit are at it again
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-protests-planned-for-melbourne-prompt-virus-fears-20200612-p551v0.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-protests-planned-for-melbourne-prompt-virus-fears-20200612-p551v0.html)


I can just imagine this happening in China....
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Post by: plusnq on June 12, 2020, 01:42:54 PM
and Rent-a-deadShit are at it again
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-protests-planned-for-melbourne-prompt-virus-fears-20200612-p551v0.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-protests-planned-for-melbourne-prompt-virus-fears-20200612-p551v0.html)

I saw a twitter thread from a guy that was claiming he was a professional activist and communicator. His job was to get the message out. Interestingly he didn’t claim affiliation with any particular groups. I’d like to see his tax returns. 😂😂😂
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wilson79 on June 12, 2020, 01:53:46 PM
The whole thing is a joke, There would have been much more public support if the decision was made in lines of what we all did during ANZAC day. If it was asked for anyone in support of the cause to put something in their windows or on their letterboxes in show of support, and waited until a more suitable time for protesting I am sure the large majority of the nation might have listened to this cause. But buy putting everything the country has already achieved at risk is just BS
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Post by: Bird on June 12, 2020, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: wilson79
The whole thing is a joke, There would have been much more public support if the decision was made in lines of what we all did during ANZAC day. If it was asked for anyone in support of the cause to put something in their windows or on their letterboxes in show of support, and waited until a more suitable time for protesting I am sure the large majority of the nation might have listened to this cause. But buy putting everything the country has already achieved at risk is just BS
Just heard on radio SA border opening July 20, and now 10,000 at sporting events - the important Shit..
Wonder how much pressure sporting organizations are reallly laying on Gov Co - and then Gov Co bends over.

Also overseas students allowed to return - GENIUS :'(

I'm a fan of more pain now, than yo-yoing for the next 5 years
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Post by: gronk on June 12, 2020, 02:35:16 PM


I'm a fan of more pain now, than yo-yoing for the next 5 years

I'm with you. But at least they will have to quarantine for 2 weeks ! The students may help the universities bottom line, but they don't do much for the economy. I say forget 2020 and let them in for next years school terms.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on June 15, 2020, 05:06:31 PM
Some interesting comparisons from over the ditch.
Apparently the Kiwis got a bit cranky with others around the world saying it was easy for them to beat the virus because they’re just a small little island.

Maybe it’s not really that small after all;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/f1a3e3af5fd3ad374edbe9f980696d49.jpg)


And perhaps their strategy was just a little bit better then some other countries;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/5326684436360add2c8df2788282650e.jpg)
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Post by: Paddler Ed on June 15, 2020, 05:15:38 PM
Some interesting comparisons from over the ditch.
Apparently the Kiwis got a bit cranky with others around the world saying it was easy for them to beat the virus because they’re just a small little island.

Maybe it’s not really that small after all;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/f1a3e3af5fd3ad374edbe9f980696d49.jpg)


And perhaps their strategy was just a little bit better then some other countries;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/5326684436360add2c8df2788282650e.jpg)

Where's the data from?
Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on June 15, 2020, 05:18:35 PM
Where's the data from?
Just a comparison spreadsheet that an aggravated Kiwi put together using today’s available corona data (15/06/20).

Edit;
They seem to match the official government figures.
 https://covid19.colorado.gov/data/case-data (https://covid19.colorado.gov/data/case-data)
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Post by: rags on June 15, 2020, 08:33:44 PM
Some interesting comparisons from over the ditch.
Apparently the Kiwis got a bit cranky with others around the world saying it was easy for them to beat the virus because they’re just a small little island.

Maybe it’s not really that small after all;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/f1a3e3af5fd3ad374edbe9f980696d49.jpg)


And perhaps their strategy was just a little bit better then some other countries;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/5326684436360add2c8df2788282650e.jpg)


Not disputing the figures but it would be a bit more factual if we had the map of NZ overlaid on Colorado if that is the basis of the comparison. Currently NZi is overlaid Germany and France which both have a huge population.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on June 15, 2020, 09:47:07 PM

Not disputing the figures but it would be a bit more factual if we had the map of NZ overlaid on Colorado if that is the basis of the comparison. Currently NZi is overlaid Germany and France which both have a huge population.
Those images where actually a small part of a bigger conversation that started with the European overlay.

The landmass is what it is.
The comparison between NZ and Colorado is just the facts.

Are you suggesting that the 7000% difference in the death rate would mean more to you if there was matching pictures..?? ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on June 15, 2020, 11:04:54 PM
Those images where actually a small part of a bigger conversation that started with the European overlay.

The landmass is what it is.
The comparison between NZ and Colorado is just the facts.

Are you suggesting that the 7000% difference in the death rate would mean more to you if there was matching pictures..?? ;)

No I’m smart enough to understand statistics, I do it often in my job.
Statistics can be skewed to tell you What ever you need to be told and as I said I’m not disputing the static’s, I just merely pointing out the map overlay has no context with the figures and that it would be more beneficial if posting the map overlay, throw up the figures for those country or not post the map as in your post there is no context or correlation between the statistics and map.

I agree NZ have done an exceptional job by Stamping out COVID by locking down their residents and also by closing its borders.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on June 17, 2020, 08:33:23 AM
NZ have done very well, a comparatively small population and geographic isolation have helped immensely, and that is one comparison the stats don't take into consideration. Having said that, that only helps if the right decisions are being made which hindsight says they did.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on June 17, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
Geographic isolation has to be one of the main factors (the same as us).

The comparison I posted earlier clearly shows that another area with almost exactly the same land mass and almost exactly the same population density, that is not geographically isolated from a bunch of nit-wits can be 7000 times worse off. ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tedota on June 17, 2020, 02:39:38 PM
Just had a Covid test done for some dental implants next week.

That is one Shite test to have. Bought tears to my eyes. >:(
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Post by: edz on June 17, 2020, 02:58:27 PM
Havent met anyone yet that reckons they would do it again  any time soon .   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on June 17, 2020, 03:39:48 PM
Havent met anyone yet that reckons they would do it again  any time soon .

my wife has now had three. She's a pre-school teacher and if she wakes with a cough, or the sniffles. She's not allowed to go to work until she has had a test and been given the all clear.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 18, 2020, 03:42:10 AM
Just had a Covid test done for some dental implants next week.

That is one Shite test to have. Bought tears to my eyes. >:(

So will a prostate check..... advantage of the covid one, is ya unlikely to crack a fat during said test. (So I've been told)  :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 18, 2020, 10:17:38 AM
I wonder how bad it REALLY is in China, not what they are telling the world - but actual numbers.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/new-beijing-outbreak-raises-fears-for-the-rest-of-the-world-20200618-p553pg.html (https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/new-beijing-outbreak-raises-fears-for-the-rest-of-the-world-20200618-p553pg.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on June 18, 2020, 03:24:54 PM
my wife has now had three. She's a pre-school teacher and if she wakes with a cough, or the sniffles. She's not allowed to go to work until she has had a test and been given the all clear.

Yep wife has had 3 tests as she is a health professional
DaUghter has had 2 tests, she is frontline retail
Me, I’ve had 1 test and can vouch for it being an ordinary experience
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on June 22, 2020, 09:45:08 PM
Appropriate.....

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on June 24, 2020, 08:00:50 AM
A perspective from a Mexican.

I live in Nillumbik LGA, not a hotspot.  I drove to work in Whittlesea LGA, not a hotspot. My work involves dealing with people who don't obey rules either because they don't think apply to them or don't give a rat's. The area we are tasked to is Whittlesea, Darebin, Hume and Moreland. 3 out 4 are hotspots. Everytime I deal with someone new gloves go on, at the end they are binned and hand sanitiser is used. One box of gloves last only a few days. Bonus is my hands have never been so soft from the sanitiser. When I finally get to wash my hands in water they are slimy from the build up of sanitiser. Our office is tiny and by the time someone is diagnosed new will all have been exposed.

At the end of the day I go home and hope I'm okay. If I catch it I probability will survive.  My family should be okay also. However I know if my parents who are in their 80's catch it it will most likely kill them.  When the max number was 10 was for funerals it would have made a dilemma if either died. It would mean the surviving spouse, 9 out of us 11 kids, no grandkids, no Great Grand kids and none of the spouses.

At the start of all this the plan was if it got bad, I'd move to the mother in law's and she would move to our house.

So the fact that a few people can't understand the basic, stay home if you are sick, and a large portion are trying to get on with their lives has me worried for us.  Doesn't help we are in winter as well

With our higher population density and the added risk of people coming from overseas I'm not surprised our numbers are higher than other states, (but still very low. )

I understand the border closures to  a small degree.  Maybe the federal govt, should have propped up Virgin and used their planes to rescue stranded Aussies and landed them in Qld.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on June 24, 2020, 08:16:33 AM
Why us "selfish" Sandgropers want to leave our borders closed. Sorry its because of all the other selfish A**holes wont do the right thing. Sorry NSW but you will soon be going backwards in restrictions.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on June 24, 2020, 08:24:40 AM
Appropriate.....

Kind of misses the point, which is all about contact tracing and stopping the spread, if one family member gets it then you quarantine the rest as well as anyone who they have come into contact with when they were contagious, when they have been at a protest in close contact with thousands of others it's impossible to do.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Paddler Ed on June 24, 2020, 08:37:52 AM
Why us "selfish" Sandgropers want to leave our borders closed. Sorry its because of all the other selfish A**holes wont do the right thing. Sorry NSW but you will soon be going backwards in restrictions.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370

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Don't disagree.

However, how many repatriation flights are QLD getting compared to NSW and VIC? Its now at the point the govt need to say that window has closed, theres been an uptick in flights sufficient to get you back but there are now no more coming in.

When you look at the reasons people in that section gave for travelling, 1 was to see friends, 2 were to see parents.

Simple thing is, old people don't encourage your children to come and visit. Boomers stop blaming millenials for everything, you can say no to them travelling as well. That would have 2/3 of those travelling in that story.


Tough that they're not near you, but they're all adults. I saw my parents in March. I last saw them in 2018. Last saw the out laws in 2018 as well, and were due to have seen them last month. We might see them next year. We were due to see my Melbourne based brother next month/August. Is that going to happen? Quite probably not because it's just not worth the risk.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on June 24, 2020, 09:02:03 AM
I can travel to the east if really needed, I just cant freely re enter WA. Thats were we are helping ourselves.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on June 24, 2020, 09:09:48 AM
Kind of misses the point, which is all about contact tracing and stopping the spread, if one family member gets it then you quarantine the rest as well as anyone who they have come into contact with when they were contagious, when they have been at a protest in close contact with thousands of others it's impossible to do.

Have another look at it.

I think you have missed the point....

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on June 24, 2020, 09:13:06 AM
All this upheaval, and it's being extended.

I don't know of anyone that's had it....and I don't know anyone that knows of anyone that's had it....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on June 24, 2020, 09:23:25 AM


[quote author=GeoffA link=topic=57068.msg1018734#msg1018734 date=1592953986
I don't know of anyone that's had it....and I don't know anyone that knows of anyone that's had it....
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Hopefully it stays that way for everyone. Thats the whole point of restrictions.
Now we are confident of containing the Rona, we are opening up.

Phase 4

27 June 2020

Western Australia’s COVID-19 restrictions will be relaxed even further, as WA’s roadmap is updated to complete the removal of all restrictions. Thats good for those who lost jobs.

Due to the world-leading response to COVID in WA, Phase 4 will start on Saturday, 27 June (11.59pm Friday, 26 June) and the following will apply: 

all existing gathering limits and the 100/300 rule removed gathering limits only determined by WA’s reduced 2sqm rule the 2sqm rule will only include staff at venues that hold more than 500 patrons removal of seated service requirements at food businesses and licensed premises no requirement to maintain patron register at food businesses and licensed premises alcohol can be served as part of unseated service arrangements all events permitted except for large scale, multi-stage music festivals unseated performances permitted at venues such as concert halls, live music venues, bars, pubs and nightclubs gyms operating unstaffed, but regular cleaning must be maintained the casino gaming floor reopening under agreed temporary restrictions.

For WA’s major sport and entertainment venues, a 50 per cent capacity rule will apply. Therefore, under Phase 4 the temporary capacity of Optus Stadium will be 30,633 for sport events (35,000 for concerts), HBF Park can hold 10,150 (16,500 for concerts), RAC Arena can hold 7150 (8250 for concerts).

 

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on June 24, 2020, 09:31:03 AM

[quote author=GeoffA link=topic=57068.msg1018734#msg1018734 date=1592953986
I don't know of anyone that's had it....and I don't know anyone that knows of anyone that's had it....

Hopefully it stays that way for everyone. Thats the whole point of restrictions.


The whole point of the restrictions was to buy time for the hospital system to gear up for the expected onslaught.
It was not about trying to eradicate the virus. The virus will not truly be under control until a vaccine is developed....

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 24, 2020, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: GeoffA
The virus will not truly be under control until a vaccine is developed....
Think of the time frame so far on cancer or common cold...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on June 24, 2020, 10:42:26 AM
Think of the time frame so far on cancer or common cold...

Yep. So we might as well just get on with it....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 24, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: GeoffA
Yep. So we might as well just get on with it....

its starting to feel that way
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on June 24, 2020, 11:26:18 AM
This is why Qld should keep its borders shut...
Some people are just a waste of space..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on June 24, 2020, 01:29:09 PM
After being tested, one is supposed to self isolate untill results are obtained.

I wonder how many of the 50,000 Vics tested in the last few days will self isolate.
That is, ISOLATE, in a room, on your own with no contact.
NOT,
swanning around the house with other family members.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on June 24, 2020, 02:15:23 PM
Have another look at it.

I think you have missed the point....

You are correct, although it wasn't even making the second point I that I read into it, not being in VIC I didn't have the background of the aparent "they got it from the BLM rally/got it from family members" argument. Apparently the point is that it could actually be both.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on June 24, 2020, 02:57:16 PM
You are correct, although it wasn't even making the second point I that I read into it, not being in VIC I didn't have the background of the aparent "they got it from the BLM rally/got it from family members" argument. Apparently the point is that it could actually be both.
I thought the point was that the kid got it from one of the nine infected schools and gave it to the poor innocent protesters.... ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 24, 2020, 02:57:44 PM
This is why Qld should keep its borders shut...
Some people are just a waste of space..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370)
why wouldnt they?? if there are flights going there, people are going to jump on em. If they really want it to stop, then stop the boats flights.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 24, 2020, 02:58:43 PM
After being tested, one is supposed to self isolate untill results are obtained.

I wonder how many of the 50,000 Vics tested in the last few days will self isolate.
That is, ISOLATE, in a room, on your own with no contact.
NOT,
swanning around the house with other family members.
not just hte 50,000 - how many in total?? I'd hazard a guess of <1%
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on June 24, 2020, 03:07:51 PM
The virus will not truly be under control until a vaccine is developed....

 :cheers:

The bubonic plague and the Spanish flu died out. Admittedly  over a few yrs, but  we in Australia are in the box seat for ridding ourselves of this earlier than a few yrs......but the self isolation rule is too lenient....maybe we have to enforce a 2 week quarantine like returned travellers ??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on June 24, 2020, 03:42:21 PM
why wouldnt they?? if there are flights going there, people are going to jump on em. If they really want it to stop, then stop the boats flights.

My point is if they feel it is so safe why the f are they donning face masks and full protective suit??  We are in hurry to see the kids in Vic but we would have to be mentally impaired to jump on a plane and head to Vic.  If NSW are happy to have the Vics visit...good on them.  They can have all the virus they get. The attitude of "I,m alright Jack" seems to be alive and well down South.  Just glad they are not jumping on planes to Qld.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 24, 2020, 04:23:10 PM
Quote from: Bigfish
My point is if they feel it is so safe why the f are they donning face masks and full protective suit?? 

You've never been to Box Hill have you - thats standard issue for the last 13yrs I've been working in the area. They all wear masks.


edit: just to bring a few down to earth in their bubble of NSW

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6804913/ten-new-cases-of-covid-19-diagnosed-in-nsw-in-24-hours/?cs=12 (https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6804913/ten-new-cases-of-covid-19-diagnosed-in-nsw-in-24-hours/?cs=12)
Ten new cases of COVID-19 were diagnosed in NSW between 8pm on June 22 and 8pm on June 23.

It isnt going to go away.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on June 24, 2020, 04:24:27 PM
You've never been to Box Hill have you - thats standard issue for the last 13yrs I've been working in the area. They all wear masks.

Yep. They've been wearing them in the CBD for years....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Paddler Ed on June 24, 2020, 04:30:06 PM
You've never been to Box Hill have you - thats standard issue for the last 13yrs I've been working in the area. They all wear masks.


edit: just to bring a few down to earth in their bubble of NSW

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6804913/ten-new-cases-of-covid-19-diagnosed-in-nsw-in-24-hours/?cs=12 (https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6804913/ten-new-cases-of-covid-19-diagnosed-in-nsw-in-24-hours/?cs=12)
Ten new cases of COVID-19 were diagnosed in NSW between 8pm on June 22 and 8pm on June 23.

It isnt going to go away.

So I ask the question again, is it now time to say it's too late to come back in? You've had your chance, but at the moment the risk is too great.

Those 10 are people returning to Australia (Australian permanent residents or citizens) - they've known the risk for the last how many months?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 24, 2020, 04:40:51 PM
Huge part of the problem- attitude.

Quote
In the meantime they were getting on with life while taking precautions.

Hannah Richardson, 33, who was returning to Melbourne after more than a week visiting her parents and brother in Croydon, in Sydney’s inner west, said NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian was "being a bit over-cautious".

"I think it was a little bit much," she said. "I mean, there's been a spike [in Victorian coronavirus cases], but it's not outrageous, right?

"Twenty new cases isn't a huge amount each day. So it's probably a little bit unnecessary."

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/travellers-rattled-by-warnings-but-still-heading-to-and-from-victoria-20200624-p555s2.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/travellers-rattled-by-warnings-but-still-heading-to-and-from-victoria-20200624-p555s2.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on June 24, 2020, 05:50:54 PM

Ten new cases of COVID-19 were diagnosed in NSW between 8pm on June 22 and 8pm on June 23.

It isnt going to go away.

Those are not numbers worth reporting....they are ALL in lockdown.....returned travellers.

I don't agree with travellers still coming in, but by law we have to let them back in.

I don't know the exact rules, but after the full 14 days of lockdown, they should then have another test before being allowed to leave. If that runs into 15 days or 16, before results are back, then so be it..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on June 24, 2020, 07:14:25 PM
Community transferred numbers is what you need to worry about. Quarantined are controlled, community spread isnt.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on June 24, 2020, 07:32:42 PM
Those are not numbers worth reporting....they are ALL in lockdown.....returned travellers.

I don't agree with travellers still coming in, but by law we have to let them back in.

I don't know the exact rules, but after the full 14 days of lockdown, they should then have another test before being allowed to leave. If that runs into 15 days or 16, before results are back, then so be it..

Gronk, A couple of points on international arrivals of Australian and New Zealand passport holders. This applies for UK arrivals.
The Australian government had been repatriating citizens from the Uk twice weekly for a month or so. The last of these flights left the UK on Friday 5 June, a Dreamliner Qantas flight landing in Melbourne on the Saturday 6 June. Cost of a one way fare was $1600.
On arrival travellers are issued a detention notice from Border Forces and are taken to a hotel to complete 14 days quarantine.
While in quarantine detainees are subjected to 3 COVID tests, 1 one arrival, 1 mid stay and  1 prior to leaving after 14 days. Subject to passing those tests they are issued another notice that they must leave the quarantine facility and go there own way.
For some this may mean hoping on a domestic flight to their home state.
One arrival in their own state they are subject to the laws of that state. For a QLD resident this means either free to enter society or go home and isolate. How is this decided is subject to what the traveller did in the time following leaving detention but prior to flying home. If they proceeded to go straight to the airport and fly home, well they do not need to re isolate, if they stayed an additional night in Melbourne they will then need to isolate again, receiving a direction notice on arrival.

Seems like a pretty reasonable outcome and one that if your son, daughter, mother brother was caught up overseas because of circumstances and can benefit from I think you would agree that we have a grateful and caring society and not a selfish one.
As Glenn64 states I don’t think international arrivals are a problem and most likely won’t continue to be a huge problem as government repatriation flights stop and the  airline operators limit flights.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on June 24, 2020, 08:04:09 PM
The last of these flights left the UK on Friday 5 June, a Dreamliner Qantas flight landing in Melbourne on the Saturday 6 June.

But we are getting flights every day from other parts of the world.

As per Glenm64, community transferred are the numbers we should be worried about, which NSW has had one for the last week.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on June 24, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
You would have thought that  people who were caught out last time and labelled as fools, selfish and idiots would learn.  Nope....toilet paper is again being bought en mass!  Please , anyone....what is the bloody point of stocking up on dunny paper???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on June 24, 2020, 08:27:13 PM
It does appear the people hoarding toilet paper are full of Shit

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on June 24, 2020, 09:34:25 PM
It does appear the people hoarding toilet paper are full of Shit

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on June 24, 2020, 10:11:53 PM
Community transferred numbers is what you need to worry about. Quarantined are controlled, community spread isnt.
Except in Melbourne 2 security guards at 2 of the Quarantine hotels also caught it. They then took it home causing the community spread.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on June 25, 2020, 06:10:27 AM
Except in Melbourne 2 security guards at 2 of the Quarantine hotels also caught it. They then took it home causing the community spread.

The big issue is simple.  Scientists just do not know enough about the virus. Its incubation period, rate of transfer, environmental needs, long lasting affect etc.etc..  far too many unknowns yet people treat it as a nothing virus that should be alright. I consider mankind to be a rather dumb species.  The behaviour of some people, politicians, social media posters and different sections of society bear testament to this.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 26, 2020, 10:38:24 AM
How other countries are dealing with it, and why it aint going to go away, probably ever.


https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/absolutely-appalled-major-incident-declared-as-thousands-cram-onto-english-beaches-20200626-p556bz.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/absolutely-appalled-major-incident-declared-as-thousands-cram-onto-english-beaches-20200626-p556bz.html)

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on June 26, 2020, 01:21:21 PM
Gronk, A couple of points on international arrivals of Australian and New Zealand passport holders. This applies for UK arrivals.
The Australian government had been repatriating citizens from the Uk twice weekly for a month or so. The last of these flights left the UK on Friday 5 June, a Dreamliner Qantas flight landing in Melbourne on the Saturday 6 June. Cost of a one way fare was $1600.
On arrival travellers are issued a detention notice from Border Forces and are taken to a hotel to complete 14 days quarantine.
While in quarantine detainees are subjected to 3 COVID tests, 1 one arrival, 1 mid stay and  1 prior to leaving after 14 days. Subject to passing those tests they are issued another notice that they must leave the quarantine facility and go there own way.
For some this may mean hoping on a domestic flight to their home state.
One arrival in their own state they are subject to the laws of that state. For a QLD resident this means either free to enter society or go home and isolate. How is this decided is subject to what the traveller did in the time following leaving detention but prior to flying home. If they proceeded to go straight to the airport and fly home, well they do not need to re isolate, if they stayed an additional night in Melbourne they will then need to isolate again, receiving a direction notice on arrival.

Seems like a pretty reasonable outcome and one that if your son, daughter, mother brother was caught up overseas because of circumstances and can benefit from I think you would agree that we have a grateful and caring society and not a selfish one.
As Glenn64 states I don’t think international arrivals are a problem and most likely won’t continue to be a huge problem as government repatriation flights stop and the  airline operators limit flights.
My cousin had to isolate at home when she returned from NZ right at the start of the lockdowns.
Was talking to her mum the other day and was very impressed with how strict they where with her, not letting her mingle with the rest of the family in the house at all for the whole 2 weeks.

Just heard there is currently 3000 people in isolation in Queensland today.
Only 800 of those are in hotels, the rest are in the community.

Maybe we are just doing a better job at following the rules then some other states.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: austastar on June 26, 2020, 02:53:32 PM
Sheesh,
              You'd need a cut lunch and a map for the walk from where you parked the car to get to that beach,
Cheers


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on June 26, 2020, 07:51:00 PM
My cousin had to isolate at home when she returned from NZ right at the start of the lockdowns.
Was talking to her mum the other day and was very impressed with how strict they where with her, not letting her mingle with the rest of the family in the house at all for the whole 2 weeks.

Just heard there is currently 3000 people in isolation in Queensland today.
Only 800 of those are in hotels, the rest are in the community.

Maybe we are just doing a better job at following the rules then some other states.

The 3000 will be interstate travellers and some who have already done isolation as detention in hotels interstate. The 800 will be  international arrivals.  Most international flights are coming through Victoria or NSW.

I had a laugh today when I seen a press conference from Qld today where people isolating at home were warned that the police will be doing checks on those people from MONDAY. Don’t want to ruin the budget with OT payments.  Beauty ofF to the beach on Saturday or Sunday.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: McGirr on June 27, 2020, 08:19:23 AM
Just crossed the Qld border with our pass towing the caravan and waved through the checkpoint.

Mark
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on June 27, 2020, 01:57:12 PM
Just crossed the Qld border with our pass towing the caravan and waved through the checkpoint.

Mark

Yep as long as the A is on show, just waved through, no checking.   It's just a joke.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on June 28, 2020, 07:49:55 AM
And......
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fox67 on June 28, 2020, 01:08:43 PM
Yep just finished weekly grocery shop - there is a shortage of toilet paper and paper towel on local Coles shelves (at least on Sunshine Coast)

We couldn't be that stupid again surely?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on June 28, 2020, 01:37:58 PM
Yep just finished weekly grocery shop - there is a shortage of toilet paper and paper towel on local Coles shelves (at least on Sunshine Coast)

We couldn't be that stupid again surely?

Is that a challenge??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on June 28, 2020, 01:42:05 PM
Is that a challenge??

Challenge accepted and completed.  Redlynch,  Coles was nearly out.   The loony fringe strike again... >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on June 28, 2020, 06:23:28 PM
Are the locals stocking up in preparation for us Mexicans?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on June 29, 2020, 06:58:36 PM
In 4 months 103 Covid Deaths and country Shut down same time 720 male sucides yet no fuss
Why??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on June 29, 2020, 07:16:59 PM
In 4 months 103 Covid Deaths and country Shut down same time 720 male sucides yet no fuss
Why??
Having lost a brother to suicide I am sometimes baffled by our inability to talk about it, there will have been on average eight suicides a day, 6 men and 2 women. 95% of men who attempt suicide succeed.
Less than 20% of women succeed and it is seen as a cry for help.
We are better at discussing than we were twenty years ago but still it doesn’t get enough attention.
It would be highlighted if we posted numbers like we do with the road toll.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on June 29, 2020, 07:29:30 PM
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Having lost a brother to suicide I am sometimes baffled by our inability to talk about it, there will have been on average eight suicides a day, 6 men and 2 women. 95% of men who attempt suicide succeed.
Less than 20% of women succeed and it is seen as a cry for help.
We are better at discussing than we were twenty years ago but still it doesn’t get enough attention.
It would be highlighted if we posted numbers like we do with the road toll.


So now that we have raised this issue can I urge all out there to have a look at this ABC program
 https://iview.abc.net.au/show/man-up?isMobile=iOS (https://iview.abc.net.au/show/man-up?isMobile=iOS)
Or go to Manup foundation
 http://manup.org.au/ (http://manup.org.au/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on June 29, 2020, 07:48:55 PM
Pottsy,
A work mate has,
A very good mates Father and his brother has.
I'm mates with a few Coppers( serving and retied) there have attended.
It effects all, but very rarely mentioned.

Thank you
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on June 29, 2020, 08:03:31 PM
Hairs, my brother was serving police officer at the time of his suicide, he was just one of four officers I know of that committed suicide. I remember the day as if it was just yesterday but it was 22 years ago. Yes the effects can be far reaching, sadly there is a stigma which suicide attracts, sometimes through ignorance, sometimes through anger.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on June 29, 2020, 08:23:56 PM
Pottsy,
I can not start to imagine what you have, still going through.
Take care.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on June 29, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
sadly there is a stigma which suicide attracts, sometimes through ignorance, sometimes through anger.

I think a lot of people think "how could they do that and leave a wife,mother ,sister or whoever behind" but a depressed person isn't thinking of that in their dire times.

I know a person who has had many many thoughts of that dark road ahead, but the next step of converting thoughts into action is maybe the area that we need to understand how or if it will happen ?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on June 29, 2020, 09:38:05 PM
I think a lot of people think "how could they do that and leave a wife,mother ,sister or whoever behind" but a depressed person isn't thinking of that in their dire times.

I know a person who has had many many thoughts of that dark road ahead, but the next step of converting thoughts into action is maybe the area that we need to understand how or if it will happen ?
As silly as this may seem it is sometimes a combination of a spur of the moment decision and the where with all to do it. Access to a weapon, dark thoughts whilst at work in comparison to, dark thoughts, no weapon and being at home.
Can you pick a suicidal person, I don’t believe so, the only real indicators you may see is if the effected person opens up, admits they are having some issues and seeks help.
It is important to allow people to vent sometimes, listen, offer help,let people know you are therefor them and encourage them to seek professional help
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on June 29, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Pottsy,
I can not start to imagine what you have, still going through.
Take care.
Hairs, I’m good mate, I had some experiences in my teenage years which changed my way of thinking and I’ve learnt to accept what life can throw at you and not lose sleep or worry about the things I can’t control. Do I get wound up sometimes, you betcha, but it doesn’t last long and I move on.
Cheers mate.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on June 29, 2020, 09:51:38 PM
I think a lot of people think "how could they do that and leave a wife,mother ,sister or whoever behind" but a depressed person isn't thinking of that in their dire times.

I know a person who has had many many thoughts of that dark road ahead, but the next step of converting thoughts into action is maybe the area that we need to understand how or if it will happen ?

I only base this on personal experience from my prior occupation, for most suicides that final next to them was the next natural step to take.  While some had taken extraordinary measures before hand, others were impulse actions but for either it was a their next natural step.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 30, 2020, 03:00:44 PM
Should be an interesting press conference by Andrews at 3.15...
Back to sq1 or pure lockdown.... who knows.
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Post by: Bird on June 30, 2020, 03:25:52 PM
Dan live now

https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-who-chief-warns-pandemic-not-even-close-to-being-over-australian-death-toll-stands-at-104-20200630-p557gk.html#p50roh (https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-who-chief-warns-pandemic-not-even-close-to-being-over-australian-death-toll-stands-at-104-20200630-p557gk.html#p50roh)

900+ in 1 suburb refused testing... Broadmeadows LMAO


Lockdown orders to be imposed in 10 Melbourne postcodes

Stay at home orders will be imposed on 10 Melbourne postcodes in Melbourne's north and west from tomorrow night because of "unacceptably high" rates of community transmission of coronavirus, Premier Daniel Andrews has said.

From 11.59pm tomorrow until July 24, Premier Andrews said people in the postcodes 3012, 3021, 3032, 3038, 3042, 3046, 3047, 3055, 3060, 3064 should only leave home for work, to provide care, to get exercise or to buy groceries.

He said anyone in these postcodes who was found outside their home without a reason would receive an on-the-spot fine.

Premier Andrews said the action was being taken in these postcodes to prevent the virus from spreading and the situation reaching a stage where "every postcode" had to be locked down.
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Post by: Bigfish on June 30, 2020, 03:53:29 PM
Dan live now

https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-who-chief-warns-pandemic-not-even-close-to-being-over-australian-death-toll-stands-at-104-20200630-p557gk.html#p50roh (https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-who-chief-warns-pandemic-not-even-close-to-being-over-australian-death-toll-stands-at-104-20200630-p557gk.html#p50roh)

900+ in 1 suburb refused testing... Broadmeadows LMAO


Lockdown orders to be imposed in 10 Melbourne postcodes

Stay at home orders will be imposed on 10 Melbourne postcodes in Melbourne's north and west from tomorrow night because of "unacceptably high" rates of community transmission of coronavirus, Premier Daniel Andrews has said.

From 11.59pm tomorrow until July 24, Premier Andrews said people in the postcodes 3012, 3021, 3032, 3038, 3042, 3046, 3047, 3055, 3060, 3064 should only leave home for work, to provide care, to get exercise or to buy groceries.

He said anyone in these postcodes who was found outside their home without a reason would receive an on-the-spot fine.

Premier Andrews said the action was being taken in these postcodes to prevent the virus from spreading and the situation reaching a stage where "every postcode" had to be locked down.



And they are not welcome in Qld as well.   Border to remain shut....   Seems to me, from news reports , that immigrants are a major part of the issue...regardless...If you refuse testing..you do forced isolation.  Wonder what part of "deadly virus" they dont understand.
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Post by: Hairs on June 30, 2020, 05:18:14 PM
Hairs, I’m good mate, I had some experiences in my teenage years which changed my way of thinking and I’ve learnt to accept what life can throw at you and not lose sleep or worry about the things I can’t control. Do I get wound up sometimes, you betcha, but it doesn’t last long and I move on.
Cheers mate.
Awesome, Hmmm, I too get emotional, want to scream, pull walls down at times, but then I come here to MySwag and read the posts, that puts a smile on my dial.
Take care mate.
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Post by: Champin on June 30, 2020, 07:28:48 PM
I've been wondering if the number of corona cases is relative to the extent of testing being carried out. Victoria has been doing a mega lot of testing in the last few weeks. Some of the test sites around Melbourne have had waiting times of 3-4 hours. Curious to see what other states are doing.

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Post by: Bird on June 30, 2020, 07:55:43 PM
I've been wondering if the number of corona cases is relative to the extent of testing being carried out. Victoria has been doing a mega lot of testing in the last few weeks. Some of the test sites around Melbourne have had waiting times of 3-4 hours. Curious to see what other states are doing.

as you say, chances are more testing = more positives... in reality other states could very well be in the same boat.
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Post by: xcvator on June 30, 2020, 08:06:19 PM
as you say, chances are more testing = more positives... in reality other states could very well be in the same boat.

We could just do a "trump"
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Post by: wakychapmans on June 30, 2020, 08:55:50 PM
We could just do a "trump"

yep... less testing = less positive results = WINNING!!!!  :cheers:

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Post by: gronk on June 30, 2020, 09:13:11 PM
as you say, chances are more testing = more positives... in reality other states could very well be in the same boat.

They could be, but in reality you mexicans are all on your own with this one. NSW for one still do a lot of testing, but even with reduced testing, there would still be some positive tests if the virus was hanging around.
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Post by: plusnq on July 01, 2020, 06:41:03 AM
They could be, but in reality you mexicans are all on your own with this one. NSW for one still do a lot of testing, but even with reduced testing, there would still be some positive tests if the virus was hanging around.

Same in QLD. Just an unlucky confluence of events in Victoria. The businesses in those suburbs must be doing it really tough, having just reopened recently.
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Post by: HKB Electronics on July 01, 2020, 09:52:51 AM
Reality is this Virus came in from overseas,  most of the states left the hard work of dealing with those coming in on international
flights to Melbourne and Sydney, the other states didn't want to have to deal with their possibly infected residents returning home.

Unfortunately the Victorian goverment got a private company in to deal with security which obviously was not a good idea
now the Victorian public has to pay the price for the other states unwillingness to take on their responsibilities and the Victorian
governments poor choice of security arrangements.   
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Post by: Bigfish on July 01, 2020, 10:22:30 AM
Reality is this Virus came in from overseas,  most of the states left the hard work of dealing with those coming in on international
flights to Melbourne and Sydney, the other states didn't want to have to deal with their possibly infected residents returning home.

Unfortunately the Victorian goverment got a private company in to deal with security which obviously was not a good idea
now the Victorian public has to pay the price for the other states unwillingness to take on their responsibilities and the Victorian
governments poor choice of security arrangements.

What are the other states "unwillingnss to take on their responsibilities"  . Each state premier has a duty to its people first.  What responsibilities did the other states abuse?
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Post by: Bird on July 01, 2020, 10:52:21 AM
What are the other states "unwillingnss to take on their responsibilities"  . Each state premier has a duty to its people first.  What responsibilities did the other states abuse?
Then why didnt people coming back from O/S land in their own states? Instead of quarantine in NSW/Vic.... thats the responsibilities.
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Post by: HKB Electronics on July 01, 2020, 10:58:01 AM
As above,

Seems now VIC refuses to take SA residents for instance they find a way to fly them directly into SA.

I see no reason why VIC & NSW had to take most of the returning travelers into quarantine and pay for it.
I suspect though that it was forced on them by the other states unwillingness to take responsibility for their
own residents.

Preferably they should have either flown directly to the states concerned or if they had to land in another state
they should have been placed directly onto flights back to their own state. If the state needed to hire an
empty jet so be it, why did they have to be quarantined in VIC & NSW with those states having to cover the cost
and take responsibility for their quarantine?
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Post by: Spada on July 01, 2020, 11:10:15 AM
Then why didnt people coming back from O/S land in their own states?

My guess is choice? I mean, Qld is the only state with 3 international airports (Cairns, Brisbane and Gold Coast) so if it was Qld travellers returning from overseas they would have entered via a Qld airport. I'm guessing it was NSW and Vic travellers (with their higher proportion of immigrant population) returning from overseas origins to their respective home states is why those 2 states have a higher number of international travellers bringing in the virus (cruise ships excluded).
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Post by: Bigfish on July 01, 2020, 11:26:11 AM
My guess is choice? I mean, Qld is the only state with 3 international airports (Cairns, Brisbane and Gold Coast) so if it was Qld travellers returning from overseas they would have entered via a Qld airport. I'm guessing it was NSW and Vic travellers (with their higher proportion of immigrant population) returning from overseas origins to their respective home states is why those 2 states have a higher number of international travellers bringing in the virus (cruise ships excluded).

By far the biggest amount of people returning from overseas were Vic or NSW residents. Every person who flies in has to isolate for 14 days.  Cant imagine a plane with 120 passengers with 10 of them from Qld and the rest from Vic or Nsw having the slightest chance of landing at a Qld airport. Every state tests the passengers and is reponsible for the containment of the virus...Vic obviously had a negligent private company looking after the quarantine.  I dont think any state has shirked its responsibilities.  All the states that closed their borders are doing well...same as overseas models of closure. All states want to see Vic and NSW get on top of the virus.  It seems that their are plenty of covidiots in some Melbourne suburbs who just dont get it..Lets face it....not a great sign of ones intelligence if dunny role hoarding is a priority.. :cheers:
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Post by: Pete79 on July 01, 2020, 11:36:35 AM
The question was asked (or a more the point, a statement was made) on here a little while ago, so I did some searching on repatriation flights direct into Brisbane.
Basically none available.

So what we have here is the "important" states that love to make everyone else in the rest of the country revolve around them, now complaining that they are the center of attention.
Go figure.....
But obviously it's the QLD Government's fault that the vast majority of overseas travelers came from NSW and VIC and they dictated where the repatriation flights landed.

I just can't wait to hear from team Murdoch how it's the QLD Government's fault that SA has kept it's borders closed... ::)

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Post by: Bigfish on July 01, 2020, 11:48:47 AM
The question was asked (or a more the point, a statement was made) on here a little while ago, so I did some searching on repatriation flights direct into Brisbane.
Basically none available.

So what we have here is the "important" states that love to make everyone else in the rest of the country revolve around them, now complaining that they are the center of attention.
Go figure.....
But obviously it's the QLD Government's fault that the vast majority of overseas travelers came from NSW and VIC and they dictated where the repatriation flights landed.

I just can't wait to hear from team Murdoch how it's the QLD Government's fault that SA has kept it's borders closed... ::)

All the states/territories and federal govt have been having weekly/fortnightly meetings for several months now.  I am sure that the subject of quarantine costs would have been sorted ages ago.  as well.    Victoria shutting down suburbs is no different to shutting down the states. The numbers are different but the aim is the same.  Common sense seems in short supply in many people.

We have a very long way to go before we can relax any laws.  If you want to see complete lunacy...check out Americas actions.
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Post by: austastar on July 01, 2020, 12:18:28 PM


   Victoria shutting down suburbs is no different to shutting down the states.

Hi,
   Suburbs and postcodes are not designed to be used this way. It is a very poor choice of tool, BUT it is the only one to hand at the moment.
Lines drawn on sketchy maps, by out of touch Poms 2 centuries ago,  have caused similar problems around the world ever since.
Different rules on either side of an arbitrary line.
Administratively it can work, but practically it is crazy!
Perhaps we should be designing in swathes of parkland to our suburbs as divisions, or only creating arbitrary lines in areas of very sparse population?
(Says he, sitting in the sun with a coffee, on a little island 200 km from the nearest hot spot).
Cheers

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Post by: Spada on July 01, 2020, 12:37:29 PM
Suburbs and postcodes are not designed to be used this way. It is a very poor choice of tool

Agreed. Postcodes are managed by AusPost and exist purely for the purpose of directing mail products to the appropriate delivery networks. 2 postcodes side by side in an urban area can have significantly different demographics and a huge variance in geographic area and may combine any number of locality/suburb names. The postcode allocation has absolutely no relevance to how many people live in the area.

Locality/suburb names are set by local governments (and maintained by DNRM), they are typically much more focused on geographic area, and much more specific in demographic. The only advantage of using a postcode is that people more readily identify with that. You'd be amazed how many people think they live somewhere different to where they actually are. An incredible amount of people use the developers estate (marketing) name as their suburb, not the true locality name.
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Post by: austastar on July 01, 2020, 12:41:23 PM
Hi,
    Like "Lollypop Hill, happyness all the time."?

Now tell me that is not an overseas financed  development.

Cheers

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Post by: Spada on July 01, 2020, 12:51:02 PM
Then why didnt people coming back from O/S land in their own states? Instead of quarantine in NSW/Vic.... thats the responsibilities.

Seems they may be disbursed among other states now  >:D
https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/06/melbourne-diverts-all-international-flights-due-to-spike-fears/ (https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/06/melbourne-diverts-all-international-flights-due-to-spike-fears/)
and from the ABC -
Quote
Daniel Andrews said a good chunk of those flights have been diverted to New South Wales and Queensland.
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Post by: alnjan on July 01, 2020, 01:55:06 PM
http://www.mygc.com.au/queensland-border-reopening-everything-you-need-to-know/?fbclid=IwAR1NR4M1nk0d1ewOi9tsLCbDE8BIj96pxOaLADHCSc2cMfTsddeoGJTs_KU (http://www.mygc.com.au/queensland-border-reopening-everything-you-need-to-know/?fbclid=IwAR1NR4M1nk0d1ewOi9tsLCbDE8BIj96pxOaLADHCSc2cMfTsddeoGJTs_KU)

From 12 noon, July 3 –

Any person (whether a Queensland resident or non-Queensland resident) who has been in any local government area within the State of Victoria within the last 14 days should not come to Queensland. If they do, they must undergo mandatory quarantine in a hotel at their own expense for a minimum of 14 days.
Queensland residents must not travel to any local government area in Victoria.
The Queensland Government will implement enhanced border control measures, including border passes and identification screening.
From 12 noon 10 July –

From 10 July 2020, any person from New South Wales, Western Australia, South Australia, Tasmania, the Australian Capital Territory and the Northern Territory may enter Queensland subject to completing and signing a border declaration.
If any person entering Queensland from whatever place has spent time in any local government area in Victoria during the past 14 days, they will be subject to mandatory hotel quarantine.
 

All persons entering Queensland must complete and sign a border declaration stating they have not been to any local government area in Victoria in the past 14 days. Penalties up to $4000 apply for false
statements.
All flights will be checked and road vehicle borders will be enforced.
Police will enforce quarantine.
A person who refuses testing in quarantine will be subject to a further 10-day period at cost
Source: Queensland Government
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Post by: Bigfish on July 01, 2020, 02:20:46 PM
http://www.mygc.com.au/queensland-border-reopening-everything-you-need-to-know/?fbclid=IwAR1NR4M1nk0d1ewOi9tsLCbDE8BIj96pxOaLADHCSc2cMfTsddeoGJTs_KU (http://www.mygc.com.au/queensland-border-reopening-everything-you-need-to-know/?fbclid=IwAR1NR4M1nk0d1ewOi9tsLCbDE8BIj96pxOaLADHCSc2cMfTsddeoGJTs_KU)

From 12 noon, July 3 –

Any person (whether a Queensland resident or non-Queensland resident) who has been in any local government area within the State of Victoria within the last 14 days should not come to Queensland. If they do, they must undergo mandatory quarantine in a hotel at their own expense for a minimum of 14 days.
Queensland residents must not travel to any local government area in Victoria.
The Queensland Government will implement enhanced border control measures, including border passes and identification screening.
From 12 noon 10 July –

From 10 July 2020, any person from New South Wales, Western Australia, South Australia, Tasmania, the Australian Capital Territory and the Northern Territory may enter Queensland subject to completing and signing a border declaration.
If any person entering Queensland from whatever place has spent time in any local government area in Victoria during the past 14 days, they will be subject to mandatory hotel quarantine.
 

All persons entering Queensland must complete and sign a border declaration stating they have not been to any local government area in Victoria in the past 14 days. Penalties up to $4000 apply for false
statements.
All flights will be checked and road vehicle borders will be enforced.
Police will enforce quarantine.
A person who refuses testing in quarantine will be subject to a further 10-day period at cost
Source: Queensland Government


NSW has similar rules now...however its an $11,000 fine...
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Post by: Bird on July 01, 2020, 02:37:06 PM
Quote from: Bigfish
NSW has similar rules now...however its an $11,000 fine...
gotta pay the bills.
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Post by: rags on July 01, 2020, 06:09:06 PM
As above,

Seems now VIC refuses to take SA residents for instance they find a way to fly them directly into SA.

I see no reason why VIC & NSW had to take most of the returning travelers into quarantine and pay for it.
I suspect though that it was forced on them by the other states unwillingness to take responsibility for their
own residents.

Preferably they should have either flown directly to the states concerned or if they had to land in another state
they should have been placed directly onto flights back to their own state. If the state needed to hire an
empty jet so be it, why did they have to be quarantined in VIC & NSW with those states having to cover the cost
and take responsibility for their quarantine?

The best example of this was the flight my daughter arrived home on from the UK.  It was a Australian Government sponsored flight, the last flight the government sponsored from the UK. ( passengers did pay a fare of  approx $1650j
It was a Qantas plane ( Dreamliner I think), that landed around 3 weeks ago. This  plane flew direct to Australia making its first stop in Perth but only to refuel and passengers were certainly not allowed to disembark.
It’s next stop being it’s final stop was  Melbourne where passengers got put up in hotels to quarantine.
After being released travellers could return to the respective home state including those from WA even though they flew through that state.
For our daughter she is into week 2 of isolation iat home here in BNE after completing the same in Melbourne.
I get the plane needs to land somewhere and couldn’t do a shuttle stop around the country but I’m not sure why Victoria was chosen as the final destination.
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Post by: Hairs on July 04, 2020, 07:19:28 PM
Just want to give a shout out to our Vic Swaggers.
Take care.
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Post by: #jonesy on July 04, 2020, 07:57:30 PM
Just want to give a shout out to our Vic Swaggers.
Take care.

Thanks.

Just don't let us come visit as we are a bunch of selfish pricks. Well only a few but, it is bringing us all down with them.
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Post by: alnjan on July 04, 2020, 08:51:34 PM
See the Queensland Border Pass has changed.  No more A stuck on the windscreen, now there is a G. 
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Post by: Hairs on July 04, 2020, 08:56:24 PM
See the Queensland Border Pass has changed.  No more A stuck on the windscreen, now there is a G.
So getting the "G" will get you in?
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Post by: alnjan on July 04, 2020, 08:58:30 PM
Victoria has recorded 108 new positive cases of coronavirus in the last 24 hours.
It is the state's second biggest increase in cases and the biggest jump since March 28.
The state government has also locked down nine public housing apartment blocks, effective immediately.
These housing blocks are located in the Melbourne suburbs of Flemington and North Melbourne.
Victoria Premier Dan Andrews said the nine public housing towers would be in "hard lockdown" for five days.
Approximately 3000 people including children are residents of the buildings.
No one is allowed to enter or exit the residences - unless they are residents returning home.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-victoria-records-108-new-cases-biggest-jump-since-march-28/6c6b3a49-1daf-4221-a6b8-e3572aaa7db4 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-victoria-records-108-new-cases-biggest-jump-since-march-28/6c6b3a49-1daf-4221-a6b8-e3572aaa7db4)
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Post by: corndog on July 04, 2020, 09:48:19 PM
A lot more s**t is about to hit the fan in Melbourne. The saying goes "watch this spot" but I'm  going with "spots".
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Post by: Hairs on July 05, 2020, 03:20:11 PM
A lot more s**t is about to hit the fan in Melbourne. The saying goes "watch this spot" but I'm  going with "spots".
It's a worry :(
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Post by: Bird on July 06, 2020, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: alnjan
Victoria has recorded 108 new positive cases of coronavirus in the last 24 hours.

Increased testing will probably give more positives...
Its going to get worse before it gets better..
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Post by: brickiematt on July 06, 2020, 10:43:41 AM
Just want to give a shout out to our Vic Swaggers.
Take care.

Thanks Hairs.
All jokes aside for the minute, this second wave has hit us hard and affected a lot of people very badly down here.
Many will not recover from losing their jobs, their business, their houses.
My sister is a cop, she has told me the number of suicides she attends each week has more than doubled.
All swaggers  take care, and please take care of your mental health. There are many ears in this forum willing to listen.
Cheers
Matt
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Post by: alnjan on July 06, 2020, 02:38:54 PM
Increased testing will probably give more positives...
Its going to get worse before it gets better..

Yep it will.  Needs doing and needs to be enforceable, no declining or refusing.   127 case yesterday.   Hard lockdowns and sounds like more to come.   

Not good at all.   

Stay safe
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Post by: corndog on July 06, 2020, 04:20:52 PM
Just got back from the bank at the shopping center. Guy in front of me gets to the counter. I hear the teller ask him if he's come out of a lockdown area. He smiles and mumbles something in bad english pointing to stuff he had in his hands and waving them around. Teller goes off at him saying he can't come out of a lockdown area, certainly not to do what he's doing now. He smiles, mumbles, points waves his hands then walks out and off into the shopping center. He did know what he was doing. I looked around to see if any cops around, couldn't see one. Closest lockdown area would be at least 10klms away. How many more are doing the same thing?
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Post by: #jonesy on July 06, 2020, 04:53:07 PM
NSW will close the borders to Victorians and gives us a couple of days notice. Why give us that much time? 

Why not come out and say midnight tonight, that's it. Basically enough notice that if you are on the road you can get there, but not enough to do a mad dash.

At least when they locked down the apartment towers in Melbourne it was immediate.

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Post by: rags on July 06, 2020, 06:17:31 PM
NSW will close the borders to Victorians and gives us a couple of days notice. Why give us that much time? 

Why not come out and say midnight tonight, that's it. Basically enough notice that if you are on the road you can get there, but not enough to do a mad dash.

At least when they locked down the apartment towers in Melbourne it was immediate.

Maybe the apartment residents don’t need a permit system as they can’t leave so an immediate lockdown could happen.
I would say the NSW govt needed to get their stuff sorted to have a permit in place before lockdown..
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Post by: bmwfreak on July 06, 2020, 07:18:02 PM
Watching the news, right now, how many residents in the locked down apartments In Vic are not current/first generation migrants or refugees. They are starving to death because the donated food does not meet their cultural needs ??? As Pauline said earlier this week, why are you here if you are not willing to conform to the local lifestyle or integrate into the Australian community. Transferring your culture from where you have come from to our community is not the way to avoid the issues you have ‘escaped’ from. You have merely changed the continent you live on.
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Post by: gronk on July 06, 2020, 07:29:01 PM
Watching the news, right now, how many residents in the locked down apartments In Vic are not current/first generation migrants or refugees. They are starving to death because the donated food does not meet their cultural needs ??? As Pauline said earlier this week, why are you here if you are not willing to conform to the local lifestyle or integrate into the Australian community. Transferring your culture from where you have come from to our community is not the way to avoid the issues you have ‘escaped’ from. You have merely changed the continent you live on.

I agree. But the idea that they can't eat our "normal" food doesn't hold weight though.....look at them on a weekend at maccas !!  If they can throw that rubbish down their throats, they can't complain about too much !!

Plenty of them are complaining about being locked down, but a lot are too dumb to realize it might just save their life..
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Post by: Kangaron on July 06, 2020, 08:42:16 PM
It seems strange that after 24 hrs they were complaining about the lack of supplies and food.
All their fridges and pantries must have been empty when lockdown started.

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Post by: bmwfreak on July 06, 2020, 09:06:18 PM
Plenty of them are complaining about being locked down, but a lot are too dumb to realize it might just save their life..

Curiously, this attitude isn’t confined to the people in those apartments, or their demographic. There seems to be a lot of the more financially secure in greater Melbourne who are in the same boat intellectually. Rich through others endeavours, dumb as dogsh1t when it comes to life and survival.
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Post by: Pete79 on July 07, 2020, 12:44:58 AM
Watching the news, right now, how many residents in the locked down apartments In Vic are not current/first generation migrants or refugees. They are starving to death because the donated food does not meet their cultural needs ??? As Pauline said earlier this week, why are you here if you are not willing to conform to the local lifestyle or integrate into the Australian community. Transferring your culture from where you have come from to our community is not the way to avoid the issues you have ‘escaped’ from. You have merely changed the continent you live on.
I’ll go and drop 4 cold sausage rolls on Pauline’s door step tonight like “donated food drop” that I saw on the news.
Would love to see her slamming those salmonella sticks down for dinner on sky news tomorrow..... ::)
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Post by: Spada on July 07, 2020, 06:26:36 AM
why are you here if you are not willing to conform to the local lifestyle or integrate into the Australian community. Transferring your culture from where you have come from to our community is not the way to avoid the issues you have ‘escaped’ from. You have merely changed the continent you live on.

Like the English did 200 odd years ago  >:D  >:D  >:D
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Post by: gronk on July 07, 2020, 06:46:49 AM
Like the English did 200 odd years ago  >:D  >:D  >:D

They weren't exactly greeted with open arms 200yrs ago.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 07, 2020, 10:02:49 AM
You think that we've got problems.

Phoenix Arizona has a 28.8% positive testing rate. The Mayor asked the WH Administration for more help with testing.
The Administration told her that not only wouldn't supply her with more swabs etc. but they would also be closing the testing stations that they had set up.

Remember Trump's mantra:-  The more testing you do - the more positives you find.
So the WH is closing down testing stations.
Sheer genius.

(https://pics.me.me/wile-e-coyote-genius-advisor-to-the-president-on-all-66512760.png)
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Post by: #jonesy on July 07, 2020, 11:03:28 AM
I agree. But the idea that they can't eat our "normal" food doesn't hold weight though.....look at them on a weekend at maccas !!  If they can throw that rubbish down their throats, they can't complain about too much !!
I know a couple of the north western Suburbs Macca's are halal..

As to their cultural sensitivity, they should eat like the rest of us.  Pizza, pasta, Souvlaki, kebab, fried rice.....
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Post by: gronk on July 07, 2020, 03:15:11 PM
I know a couple of the north western Suburbs Macca's are halal..

As to their cultural sensitivity, they should eat like the rest of us.  Pizza, pasta, Souvlaki, kebab, fried rice.....

Funny how a halal certified big mac looks exactly like a "normal" big mac !!  ;D

As for souvlaki....mate, we aussies don't eat that do we ??   ;D
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Post by: Bird on July 07, 2020, 03:17:25 PM
I know a couple of the north western Suburbs Macca's are halal..

As to their cultural sensitivity, they should eat like the rest of us.  Pizza, pasta, Souvlaki, kebab, fried rice.....
yep few yrs ago found out up around Thomastown, they dont use bacon at all, so your bacon egg mcrubber is actually just an egg muffin.. no cheaper though
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Post by: Bird on July 07, 2020, 03:45:46 PM
https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-global-covid-19-cases-surpass-11-5-million-as-australian-death-toll-stands-at-106-20200706-p559it.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-global-covid-19-cases-surpass-11-5-million-as-australian-death-toll-stands-at-106-20200706-p559it.html)
Andrews live


6 week lock down now stage 3
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Post by: Bird on July 08, 2020, 01:26:53 PM
We could have done what Sweden did... That hasnt worked well.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/self-inflicted-wound-sweden-has-become-the-world-s-pandemic-cautionary-tale-20200708-p55a04.html (https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/self-inflicted-wound-sweden-has-become-the-world-s-pandemic-cautionary-tale-20200708-p55a04.html)
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Post by: Ozsnowman on July 08, 2020, 05:03:42 PM
They are starving to death because the donated food does not meet their cultural needs ??? As Pauline said earlier this week, why are you here if you are not willing to conform to the local lifestyle or integrate into the Australian community. Transferring your culture from where you have come from to our community is not the way to avoid the issues you have ‘escaped’ from. You have merely changed the continent you live on.

Hmmm until the 80's or so, all Australia ate was meat and 3 veg for every meal - how is that not transferring the culture? Until we got serious about multiculturalism it was hard to get anything that wasn't pizza/chinese/fish & chips...
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Post by: gronk on July 08, 2020, 06:14:09 PM
Until we got serious about multiculturalism it was hard to get anything that wasn't pizza/chinese/fish & chips...

What else is there ??   ;D
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Post by: bmwfreak on July 08, 2020, 06:54:00 PM
how is that not transferring the culture?

Food is fine, other aspects not so much. I can eat anything at all, whether it came from ‘the old country’ or from a migrant family who turned up yesterday. If food is the only thing to be classified as a cultural, then you are correct 8).
I choose to look at the big picture which encompasses all aspects of the persons day to day behaviour. Lots (Those reported onTV, at least), whether born here from ‘recent’ arrivals or new migrants, wish to uphold their historical values, which are based on ancestors. Why come here in the first place if you want to live as your ancestors did?  I moved from NSW to QLD in 1995. It took me about three years to adapt to QLD cultural differences. I now consider myself (as I always have) an Australian, with the ability to move in the local community as a member of same. I don’t sit outside of the community bitching about the differences between each of the states I have lived in, and I certainly don’t seek out others from a specific state so I can continue living in a bubble.  ;D
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Post by: Bird on July 08, 2020, 07:10:46 PM
Quote from: bmwfreak
They are starving to death because the donated food does not meet their cultural needs ???
yea i want peking duck and $200 bottles of bubbly each night too.
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Post by: NZMarkb on July 09, 2020, 04:41:06 AM
Your on the money Bird
We just had some dick head sneak out of the qurenteen motel and duck down to the supermarket for an hour
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Post by: Robbo on July 09, 2020, 08:46:22 AM
This sort of sums the situation up..  ;D ;D
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Post by: Comfortablynumb on July 09, 2020, 03:44:34 PM
Hmmm until the 80's or so, all Australia ate was meat and 3 veg for every meal - how is that not transferring the culture? Until we got serious about multiculturalism it was hard to get anything that wasn't pizza/chinese/fish & chips...

Back in the day, the Old Man point blank refused to eat anything with onion in it.

It was declared "bloody wog food" and was strictly banned from the house. "Wogs" were the cause of all things bad in Australia back then. Apparently.

My mother used to berate us kids to not play with those 'filthy, dumb wogs" for fear we would catch something (stupidity, perhaps).

The Old Man was such a shocking racist he even berated the poor folk from Darwin in 1974 who fled south for "taking South Australians jobs". "People ought to stay where they are born and just die there" he would state.

 I  think he taught Pauline everything she knows.......

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Post by: Bird on July 09, 2020, 04:00:50 PM
more testing more results....  but you have to start to wonder.

Victoria has recorded 165 new coronavirus cases in the past 24 hours with 18 new cases in the public housing towers under lockdown and several hospitals. Six aged care facilities have also been placed into lockdown.
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Post by: Champin on July 09, 2020, 04:05:21 PM
Thing is old mate, we can't knock them for that because that was all they knew. It was the way it was for alot of people. My dad was the same. What we can do though, is learn from that experience and improve, and see just how far we have come since those days. Predudism occurs everywhere in the world, including Afican, Asian. Muslim and Christian countries. Not just America, England and Australia. We have a long way to go yet, but we are breaking new ground every day. Sadly not fast enough, but we are moving in the right direction.

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Post by: Champin on July 09, 2020, 04:10:45 PM
Case in point with what Bird sez. A large majority are making sacrifises and trying to do the right thing but are constantly held back by stupid, ignorant and arrogant people

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Post by: Comfortablynumb on July 09, 2020, 04:41:19 PM
Thing is old mate, we can't knock them for that because that was all they knew. It was the way it was for alot of people. My dad was the same. What we can do though, is learn from that experience and improve, and see just how far we have come since those days. Predudism occurs everywhere in the world, including Afican, Asian. Muslim and Christian countries. Not just America, England and Australia. We have a long way to go yet, but we are breaking new ground every day. Sadly not fast enough, but we are moving in the right direction.

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Very true.

However, there are quite a few around who are several generations younger with the same (or stronger) views.

The way I see it, things have not much changed at all. I still hear younger Australians coming out with statements like " we never had crimes in Australia until all these immigrants arrived"

(True, but not in the way YOU are thinking)
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Post by: gronk on July 09, 2020, 04:41:44 PM
Back in the day, the Old Man point blank refused to eat anything with onion in it.

It was declared "bloody wog food" and was strictly banned from the house. "Wogs" were the cause of all things bad in Australia back then. Apparently.

My mother used to berate us kids to not play with those 'filthy, dumb wogs" for fear we would catch something (stupidity, perhaps).

The Old Man was such a shocking racist he even berated the poor folk from Darwin in 1974 who fled south for "taking South Australians jobs". "People ought to stay where they are born and just die there" he would state.

 I  think he taught Pauline everything she knows.......

How old are you mate ?

I'm over 60 and that sort of thinking never happened around where I lived as a young boy.
Had a born in Australia "wog" as a childhood friend, and I can't remember anyone ever talking down to him or his parents, although we all knew his parents weren't all that good at english.

Had a couple of friends at school, that took maybe 5yrs after leaving school till I was told they were of aboriginal descent...just didn't think of those things back then.
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Post by: Comfortablynumb on July 09, 2020, 04:42:48 PM
Case in point with what Bird sez. A large majority are making sacrifises and trying to do the right thing but are constantly held back by stupid, ignorant and arrogant people

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Yep.

As has been the case since the Neanderthals stood on their hind legs.
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Post by: Bird on July 09, 2020, 04:56:05 PM
You mean 1.5mtrs - I dont think modern kids know what a meter is

(https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/12438780-16x9-xlarge.jpg?v=2)
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Post by: Pete79 on July 09, 2020, 05:06:21 PM
How old are you mate ?

I'm over 60 and that sort of thinking never happened around where I lived as a young boy.
Had a born in Australia "wog" as a childhood friend, and I can't remember anyone ever talking down to him or his parents, although we all knew his parents weren't all that good at english.

Had a couple of friends at school, that took maybe 5yrs after leaving school till I was told they were of aboriginal descent...just didn't think of those things back then.
Haha, when I was growing up I was almost the only one in my class that wasn’t a wog.... ;D

Me and the token aborigine where the only white or black ones in the room, it was just lots of shades of brown around us... ;D ;D

Funnily enough though, Pauline still used to get about a 3rd of the votes in our town.
I guess the wogs must have hated the Asians as much as the rest of the bogans did.... ;)
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Post by: Comfortablynumb on July 09, 2020, 05:12:43 PM
How old are you mate ?

I'm over 60 and that sort of thinking never happened around where I lived as a young boy.
Had a born in Australia "wog" as a childhood friend, and I can't remember anyone ever talking down to him or his parents, although we all knew his parents weren't all that good at english.

Had a couple of friends at school, that took maybe 5yrs after leaving school till I was told they were of aboriginal descent...just didn't think of those things back then.

I'm well younger than you.

Must just be a South Australian thing, then.

Behind the times and all that!

:D
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Post by: Comfortablynumb on July 09, 2020, 05:14:04 PM
You mean 1.5mtrs - I dont think modern kids know what a meter is

(https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/12438780-16x9-xlarge.jpg?v=2)

How dare you!!!!

Don't you know these young ones have rights?????
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Post by: Bird on July 09, 2020, 05:18:39 PM
How dare you!!!!

Don't you know these young ones have rights?????
(https://media.makeameme.org/created/how-dare-you-9a311e577e.jpg)
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Post by: Bird on July 09, 2020, 05:23:48 PM
Has anyone found any serious articles or reports on people who have caught it twice ???  Was it worse second time though? etc....

Only one I found was about some dudes in US Navy... probably test suckers subjects
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Post by: edz on July 09, 2020, 06:40:52 PM
Might give some of an idea of it ... https://fortune.com/2020/05/19/coronavirus-twice-infectious-contagious/ (https://fortune.com/2020/05/19/coronavirus-twice-infectious-contagious/) 
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Post by: Bird on July 10, 2020, 01:23:24 PM
PM just announcing something like

if you go out in Victoria now you have to wear a mask, where social distancing cannot be guaranteed

I didnt hear it clearly at the time - did anyone else?

edit: 60,000 new cases in USA yesterday!





edit edit: It was:

Assuming that people do need to go out, what has not changed is – if people have symptoms and they need to go for a test, for example, which we would definitely encourage –they should wear a mask.
"Other people, where physical distancing cannot be guaranteed, they should also wear a mask."
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Post by: corndog on July 10, 2020, 01:50:13 PM
Victoria's overnight cases  was 288.
Wife's been making masks, she won't be able to keep up with them now.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 10, 2020, 01:54:09 PM
You mean 1.5mtrs - I dont think modern kids know what a meter is

(https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/12438780-16x9-xlarge.jpg?v=2)

Neither do you, ya Nimrod. LOL  ;D

Metre: Is a measurement of distance in Australia.
Meter: Is a device to measure a volume..... IE. Power meter.
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Post by: Bird on July 10, 2020, 01:54:36 PM
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/)
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Post by: Bird on July 10, 2020, 02:29:44 PM
Wonder when the message will start getting through ???

Police issued 16 fines after discovering a large group of people holding a surprise birthday party at a home in Dandenong.

Police were alerted to the party after attendees picked up a very large order of KFC at a nearby outlet.
Chief Commissioner Shane Patton said the fines would total more than $20,000 making it a very expensive party. .

"That is ridiculous that type of behaviour. It is an expensive night when you think apart from the KFC, we have issued 16 infringements at that amount, that is $26,000 that birthday party is costing them," he said. "That is a heck of a birthday party to recall. They will remember that one for a long time." :cup: :cup:
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 10, 2020, 03:03:59 PM
Not if they cark it.  :D
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Post by: Bird on July 10, 2020, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers
Not if they cark it.  :D

They be heading to centerlink to get assistance in paying their fines :D :D :D Wonder if it was really finger licking good?


EDIT:
I wonder how many will take teh "MASKS MUST BE WORN" thing - and turn it around and every second person will have a gimp mask LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(https://contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/55ffb2d23a698c231ef4f017-large.jpg?cache_buster=52fbe629586a959d9ea15dede41aeef1)
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Post by: Foo on July 10, 2020, 04:12:24 PM
They be heading to centerlink to get assistance in paying their fines :D :D :D Wonder if it was really finger licking good?


EDIT:
I wonder how many will take teh "MASKS MUST BE WORN" thing - and turn it around and every second person will have a gimp mask LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(https://contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/55ffb2d23a698c231ef4f017-large.jpg?cache_buster=52fbe629586a959d9ea15dede41aeef1)

Or they'll be found tryin to get here.  ;D

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4705206772838496&set=a.400901883269028&type=3&eid=ARD6dhM_B6kcmArl3erWSW1mMbkE16buFfe_W1fneYyQx-QgDBvYLdKsKM8LWaKkcD_EnA95-5g7bSHS (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4705206772838496&set=a.400901883269028&type=3&eid=ARD6dhM_B6kcmArl3erWSW1mMbkE16buFfe_W1fneYyQx-QgDBvYLdKsKM8LWaKkcD_EnA95-5g7bSHS)

Foo
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Post by: Bird on July 10, 2020, 04:29:34 PM
Or they'll be found tryin to get here.  ;D

(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106713303_4705206776171829_8710794660271884809_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=6E4RWxBaUIEAX_2y0pB&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=c003e11bdedec8838cf87a168cc157ff&oe=5F2BB93C)Foo
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
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Post by: speewa158 on July 10, 2020, 08:23:47 PM
It seems strange that after 24 hrs they were complaining about the lack of supplies and food.
All their fridges and pantries must have been empty when lockdown started.

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Sorry  but we have been locked down,,,,,,,, so it up toe the Vic Gov to pander to my every need , lm locked down .There are a good number of  " Said " lockedowners that are on the Gov Tit  & prepaired to suck it dry &  beyond .
As a self funded retiree thats has contributed to the Pool , why are these people able to get paid but lm not .
Eat what you want , become an Aussie if your game to contribute , & dont complain . Your in Australia  Enjoy .
 
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Post by: speewa158 on July 10, 2020, 08:24:34 PM
Thank you Admin  for my opinion  on this
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Post by: HKB Electronics on July 11, 2020, 11:11:33 AM
Hmmm, where did Victoria's Corona virus come from, it seems it has escaped from quarantine via a guard/s who caught it off a returnee who may have been a Queenslander for all we know.

Read about the SA premier complaining they have had to handle 2000 returnees since the pandemic began and now they will charge them for the quarantine as its to expensive. The other states namely VIC & NSW it appears were handling thousands per week and covering the expense themselves.

Yes VIC stuffed up but I wonder what the situation would look like now if the incoming travellers had been evenly distributed over all the states?

Must admit Queensland was smart when they discovered they had to start taking their fair share of returned travellers after VIC being shut down, they were the first to start charging for quarantine stays to dissuade travellers from wanting to go fly into there even if they were Queenslanders.
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Post by: Hairs on July 11, 2020, 11:29:32 AM
Not sure if anyone has posted this before, sorry if they have.
Some interesting numbers.
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR3IyEligyMxRgsN6IBhN4YQRHNa3CWqKouWRxRcAc59pbPDwqOQtpXIe4k (https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR3IyEligyMxRgsN6IBhN4YQRHNa3CWqKouWRxRcAc59pbPDwqOQtpXIe4k)
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Post by: jclures on July 11, 2020, 11:38:54 AM
Not sure if anyone has posted this before, sorry if they have.
Some interesting numbers.
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR3IyEligyMxRgsN6IBhN4YQRHNa3CWqKouWRxRcAc59pbPDwqOQtpXIe4k (https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR3IyEligyMxRgsN6IBhN4YQRHNa3CWqKouWRxRcAc59pbPDwqOQtpXIe4k)

It shows those that think it is no worse than the flu look silly.
Influenza   108672
Covid   556365
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Post by: alnjan on July 11, 2020, 11:53:36 AM
It shows those that think it is no worse than the flu look silly.
Influenza   108672
Covid   556365

Was going to say the same thing.   

It's just the same as a minor cold.   
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Post by: rags on July 11, 2020, 06:59:24 PM
Hmmm, where did Victoria's Corona virus come from, it seems it has escaped from quarantine via a guard/s who caught it off a returnee who may have been a Queenslander for all we know.

Read about the SA premier complaining they have had to handle 2000 returnees since the pandemic began and now they will charge them for the quarantine as its to expensive. The other states namely VIC & NSW it appears were handling thousands per week and covering the expense themselves.

Yes VIC stuffed up but I wonder what the situation would look like now if the incoming travellers had been evenly distributed over all the states?

Must admit Queensland was smart when they discovered they had to start taking their fair share of returned travellers after VIC being shut down, they were the first to start charging for quarantine stays to dissuade travellers from wanting to go fly into there even if they were Queenslanders.


When you look at the chart in the attached article it would appear that NSW has done the heavy lifting. Also if you think of the statistics in relation to population in each jurisdiction it probably is an even distribution. Probably most arriving passenger are from NSW and Vic.

 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-19/coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-60,000-people-cost/12363288 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-19/coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-60,000-people-cost/12363288)
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Post by: HKB Electronics on July 11, 2020, 07:29:11 PM
That is only part of the story:

"The Australian Border Force (ABF) said between March 21 and June 30 more than 212,000 passengers had arrived from overseas"
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Post by: GeoffA on July 11, 2020, 08:05:11 PM
Influenza   108672
Covid   556365

The global influenza count can vary between 250,000 to 600,000 annually, depending on the year/strain.

Influenza is not something to sneeze at.....
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Post by: Hairs on July 11, 2020, 08:09:36 PM


Influenza is not something to sneeze at.....
I see what you did there,
Love ya work.
;)

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Post by: Bird on July 12, 2020, 01:41:13 PM
So the message is getting through ???

https://www.smh.com.au/national/we-are-definitely-at-a-crossroads-in-nsw-state-records-five-new-cases-20200712-p55b94.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/we-are-definitely-at-a-crossroads-in-nsw-state-records-five-new-cases-20200712-p55b94.html)
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Post by: Troopy_03 on July 12, 2020, 08:03:15 PM
Sorry  but we have been locked down,,,,,,,, so it up toe the Vic Gov to pander to my every need , lm locked down .There are a good number of  " Said " lockedowners that are on the Gov Tit  & prepaired to suck it dry &  beyond .
As a self funded retiree thats has contributed to the Pool , why are these people able to get paid but lm not .
Eat what you want , become an Aussie if your game to contribute , & don't complain . You're in Australia  Enjoy .
You forgot to add, and learn to speak English (or at least the Aussie version of it)

 >:D
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Post by: Bird on July 13, 2020, 09:28:33 AM
dozen teenagers fines 24,000 for doing a runner from Melb - > Qld....

Quote
The six Victorians were travelling in a minivan when they arrived at the border.

The passengers hopped out and tried crossing it on foot but police spotted them.

Location settings and photos on their phones revealed they’d been in Victoria within the past 14 days.

They were each fined $4000 each, making it a $24,000 dollar trip.


“100 per cent we definitely knew we were breaking the rules,” one of the fined travellers said.

“Money doesn’t run the world it’s all good,” another added.

The infringement was the last thing police needed to deal with on an already backlogged border.


Yep... message is gettin through

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/busload-of-victorians-trying-to-cross-queensland-border-fined-24000-c-1160812 (https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/busload-of-victorians-trying-to-cross-queensland-border-fined-24000-c-1160812)




https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/nsw/are-we-all-in-this-together-police-investigate-as-photos-of-packed-out-trial-rugby-game-emerge-20200712-p55bcv.html (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/nsw/are-we-all-in-this-together-police-investigate-as-photos-of-packed-out-trial-rugby-game-emerge-20200712-p55bcv.html)

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Post by: Bird on July 14, 2020, 01:42:31 PM
 and you can see why nobody takes it serious.. .again one set of rules for the rich, one for the peasants, and one for the F grade celebs...

Quote
Meanwhile, Mr Miles confirmed Australian singer and television personality Dannii Minogue received a state government exemption and avoided hotel quarantine upon returning to Queensland from the US.

Speaking on ABC Radio Brisbane on Tuesday, Mr Miles said Ms Minogue was instead allowed to quarantine for two weeks in her own home.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/queensland/minogue-avoids-queensland-hotel-quarantine-as-premier-declares-nsw-hot-spots-20200714-p55btj.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/queensland/minogue-avoids-queensland-hotel-quarantine-as-premier-declares-nsw-hot-spots-20200714-p55btj.html)
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Post by: Bird on July 14, 2020, 02:53:32 PM
and you can see why nobody takes it serious.. .again one set of rules for the rich, one for the peasants, and one for the F grade celebs...
Even better

Melbourne man brags about crossing Queensland border on 'compassion grounds' to buy Harley Davidson tyres

https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-melbourne-real-estate-agent-crosses-queensland-border-uploads-video-bragging-on-youtube/e30f209c-d295-40cf-ab2f-0a48550a4303 (https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-melbourne-real-estate-agent-crosses-queensland-border-uploads-video-bragging-on-youtube/e30f209c-d295-40cf-ab2f-0a48550a4303)
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Post by: Troopy_03 on July 14, 2020, 05:07:44 PM
and you can see why nobody takes it serious.. .again one set of rules for the rich, one for the peasants, and one for the F grade celebs...

You forgot the other set of rules for the young dudes who just don't GAF
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Post by: Hairs on July 14, 2020, 05:09:30 PM
Here we go again :(
FFS
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 14, 2020, 05:18:34 PM
Quote from: Hairs
Here we go again :(
FFS

Its growing in Shitney.....
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Post by: Hairs on July 14, 2020, 05:35:00 PM
Its growing in Shitney.....
Yep :(
What a Shit show, christ, people believe it is either just as bad as the common cold, believe they have a right to travel or it is spread through the 5G net network.
We have become the 53 state of Amercia.
Some have become Dumb arsed fuggers.
I really want to jump of the rock, catch a lift next times it goes around the sun.
Just maybe all the stupid people will not on the next ride.
Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on July 14, 2020, 09:48:26 PM
I was going to make a joke on here last week about the service NSW website crashing from all of the Victorians trying to change their license plates to NSW and try to get into QLD. ;D

Turns out it was actually happening for real..... ::)

 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/nsw-mechanics-switch-victorian-number-plates-border-closures/12453622 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/nsw-mechanics-switch-victorian-number-plates-border-closures/12453622)

“Service NSW recorded a 23 per cent increase in vehicle registrations late last week

....

A number of NSW residents told the ABC they had Victorian number plates and licences because it was cheaper, particularly for caravans.”
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Post by: Bird on July 15, 2020, 09:41:22 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/four-alleged-stowaways-arrested-in-adelaide/12455292 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/four-alleged-stowaways-arrested-in-adelaide/12455292)

Four alleged stowaways arrested in Adelaide on freight train from Melbourne
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on July 15, 2020, 09:45:40 AM
Here we go again :(
FFS

There is speculation that this is actually our first turn. https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/coronavirus-in-australia-experts-say-suppression-was-a-mistake/news-story/3379d05b482209764243815bd4246e0c (https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/coronavirus-in-australia-experts-say-suppression-was-a-mistake/news-story/3379d05b482209764243815bd4246e0c)
Previously almost all cases were mostly linked to arriving international travellers and the lock-downs pretty much knocked it on the head. What we're seeing for the first time now is widespread and uncontrolled community cross-contamination in the general populous.... like the rest of the world has already been going through.
Quote
“Obviously in March when we were all very worried, it was a little bit unclear how much of the virus was in the community,” Professor Talley said.

“Some of us worried it was widespread. But if it was, the first lockdown knocked that off. It looks as if most of it was international travellers.

“Now in Victoria and possibly NSW we have widespread community transmission. That is new. That’s why I say this is the first real wave. We had a trial wave. We eliminated it, but now we are not in that situation so it’s all changed. It’s a different enemy.”

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Post by: Bird on July 15, 2020, 09:50:12 AM
people think we have it bad

'Frightening': S Africa sees biggest daily jump in COVID-19 cases
Officials consider reimposing restrictions as more than 8,700 infections reported over 24 hours amid lockdown easing.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/africa-sees-biggest-daily-jump-covid-19-cases-200703093405125.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/africa-sees-biggest-daily-jump-covid-19-cases-200703093405125.html)

imagine being in this queue for testing.
(https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/12442530-3x2-xlarge.jpg)
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Post by: Hairs on July 15, 2020, 09:51:02 AM
Speaking with two local Mechanics this morning, they have been swamped with owners of Vic rego vehicles wanting to be changed over to NSW.
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Post by: Bird on July 15, 2020, 09:54:39 AM
how about he ad campaign by 2 faceplant fools for Apollo Bay

Stay the Fu_K away
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/do-not-visit-victoria-campaign-a-social-media-hit-now-for-the-merch-20200714-p55bwi.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/do-not-visit-victoria-campaign-a-social-media-hit-now-for-the-merch-20200714-p55bwi.html)
(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.137%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/1bd3099d3689ae0ecbd51148cf9bb5b2a6907f9e)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 16, 2020, 11:12:33 AM
62,000 cases in 1 day in USA.....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: jclures on July 16, 2020, 11:19:42 AM
Make America great again? ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on July 16, 2020, 12:02:33 PM
62,000 cases in 1 day in USA.....

Fake news
Too much testing
a Democrat plot against the economy
Were doing really well, the numbers are great
Big progress being made
we put the flame out — getting rid of the flame; it’s happening
the crisis is being handled
We’ve implemented an aggressive strategy to vanquish and kill the virus
These are historic numbers in a time that a lot of people would have wilted; they would have wilted.  But we didn’t wilt, and our country didn’t wilt.
And I’m very honored to be your President. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 17, 2020, 11:45:21 AM
https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/291450532199243/  (https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/291450532199243/)

Dan live now   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 17, 2020, 05:44:34 PM
is the message gettin thru?



A Victorian man allegedly trying to enter Queensland for a third time is the latest person to be hit with a $4003 fine under the Queensland's border restrictions.

Police stopped the 27-year-old on Thursday afternoon at a checkpoint near Texas, about 300 kilometres south-west of Brisbane on the Queensland-NSW border.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-australian-unemployment-highest-since-1998-as-victoria-anticipates-further-covid-19-case-spike-australian-death-toll-stands-at-113-20200716-p55cr9.html#p50uph (https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-australian-unemployment-highest-since-1998-as-victoria-anticipates-further-covid-19-case-spike-australian-death-toll-stands-at-113-20200716-p55cr9.html#p50uph)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on July 17, 2020, 07:18:42 PM


is the message gettin thru?
Nup,
:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: MarkGU on July 17, 2020, 09:03:56 PM
So they wanted us all to download the covid19 tracking app.

funny how they were bragging so many millions had downloaded the app and it would track and prevent outbreaks

with all these new cases of covid19 I haven’t heard of a single case being detected via the app, has anyone else?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: brickiematt on July 18, 2020, 03:15:16 PM

Don't get me wrong, we can laugh at ourselves down here, we're used to it, but the current situation in Vic, and Melbourne especially, is just not funny.
We don't care that we can't leave the state. We don't care that we can't annoy you northerners with our nomads and "wobbly boxes". We don't care that it's winter, some of us actually enjoy it.
My wife has an immune deficiency disease, her immune system is working overtime to battle that, so if she catches
 a whiff of covid-19 she will be hospitalised.  Me and the girls are Shitting ourselves and doing everything we can to avoid it.
Two of my mates have lost businesses, devastating to watch.
Calls to lifeline have risen by 22% over the last quarter.

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Post by: Jillsy on July 18, 2020, 11:48:23 PM
Folks,

I have just spent from 9pm till 1145pm reading and cleaning this whole thread - not how I really wanted to spend my Saturday night considering I work 3 12-hour night shifts a week but oh well ::).

People are losing or worried about losing their loved ones, their jobs and/or businesses, their homes and their retirement funds to this awful, awful virus.  There is a lot of emotion and sensitivity around this topic and quite rightly so - it is having huge impacts on individuals' mental health relative to their personal situation. It's certainly not something most people like to joke about. 

There have already been warnings posted by Mods on this thread on the 5th April (x 2), 7th of April, 15th May and right now. 

As I've stated previously (on the 7th of April to be precise), everyone is entitled to their opinion however, if any Member can't express their opinion respectfully or can't respectfully debate with someone, that Members is kindly asked to spend their time elsewhere. Enough is enough. 

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Post by: duggie on July 19, 2020, 08:12:34 AM
Thanks Jillsy , I was a little upset to see so many members swinging blows at each other yesterday .

This forum is a wonderful place to spend some quiet time on , and to see some people/friends swinging blows at each other and other Australian states paying out on other states was quite upsetting .

Have a happy and safe day everyone .

cheers duggie
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 19, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
Pisser.... what'd I miss.
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Post by: tryagain on July 19, 2020, 11:20:17 AM
Pisser.... what'd I miss.

Made the electrical section seem tame! After everything is said and done, hoping that all the Victorians cope as well as they can with the second stint of level 3 restrictions and that they successfully stop the spread again.
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Post by: xcvator on July 19, 2020, 11:42:16 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-19/victoria-coronavirus-cases-climb-masks-become-mandatory/12470424 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-19/victoria-coronavirus-cases-climb-masks-become-mandatory/12470424)
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Post by: Steffo1 on July 19, 2020, 12:09:20 PM
Pisser.... what'd I miss.

Don't you just hate that! I do!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 19, 2020, 12:24:31 PM
Don't you just hate that! I do!

 ;D
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Post by: Bird on July 19, 2020, 01:42:11 PM
I thought I think it was BrickieMatt's post was worth keeping about his family with Immune deficiency syndrome etc.

Really makes you think.
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Post by: Bird on July 19, 2020, 01:43:20 PM
Masks become mandatory in Melbourne (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-19/victoria-coronavirus-cases-climb-masks-become-mandatory/12470424)

Im ready - on sale at sexyland
(https://www.hollywood.uk.com/media/catalog/product/cache/736b7bfdec859353c1bbc85735c3d15e/1/7/17562.jpg)
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Post by: Bad Scott on July 19, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
Im ready - on sale at sexyland
(https://www.hollywood.uk.com/media/catalog/product/cache/736b7bfdec859353c1bbc85735c3d15e/1/7/17562.jpg)
You bloody gimp

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Post by: GeoffA on July 19, 2020, 01:47:19 PM
I thought I think it was BrickieMatt's post was worth keeping about his family with Immune deficiency syndrome etc.

Really makes you think.

Agree with that ^.

Yes, it was Matt.
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Post by: Bird on July 19, 2020, 01:49:53 PM
You bloody gimp

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i got the idea from yours
https://contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/55ffb2d23a698c231ef4f017-large.jpg (https://contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/55ffb2d23a698c231ef4f017-large.jpg)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bad Scott on July 19, 2020, 01:51:40 PM
You got tooooooooooo much time on ya hands

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 19, 2020, 01:52:28 PM
You got tooooooooooo much time on ya hands

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I could get worse :P :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jillsy on July 19, 2020, 03:52:36 PM
I thought I think it was BrickieMatt's post was worth keeping about his family with Immune deficiency syndrome etc.

Really makes you think.

Agree with that ^.

Yes, it was Matt.

Restored that post with some slight modification (ie took out the quoting of another post)
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Post by: Champin on July 19, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
Thanks for you good work Jillsy. I appreciate it. I was getting to the stage of exiting for a while until it got back under control, but she's all good now. Again thank you Jillsy.

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Post by: Robbo on July 19, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
Yep, thanks Jillsy. Sanity has been restored once again.

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Post by: Jillsy on July 19, 2020, 08:23:12 PM
Thanks for thanks Folks but it's not required.  It's a highly emotive topic and it's all fun and games until somebody loses a loved one (which is sadly a very real possibility given the current statistics  :'( ).  Let's keep the jibes for the Electrical Section hey  >:D
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Post by: edz on July 19, 2020, 10:52:04 PM
The current situation in Vic, and Melbourne especially, is just not funny.

My wife has an immune deficiency disease, her immune system is working overtime to battle that, so if she catches
 a whiff of covid-19 she will be hospitalised.  Me and the girls are Shitting ourselves and doing everything we can to avoid it.




Hearing you loud  n clear on this one BM, My works High risk and the wife is battling with CIDP . All best of thoughts to you guys , hoping everything goes ok .
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Post by: brickiematt on July 20, 2020, 08:53:44 AM
Restored that post with some slight modification (ie took out the quoting of another post)

Cheers Jillsy.
Didn't mean to start a sh!tfight, just point out a few things!
I hope all swaggers are staying safe thru this, see yas on the other side!!
 :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: brickiematt on July 20, 2020, 08:58:05 AM



Hearing you loud  n clear on this one BM, My works High risk and the wife is battling with CIDP . All best of thoughts to you guys , hoping everything goes ok .

Thanks edz. Luckily they're all confined to quarters for a while!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 20, 2020, 11:00:15 AM
like my new mask idea?
(https://i0.wp.com/trendings.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Curvaceous-Mom-Shares-Hilarious-Results-Using-Bra-For-Makeshift-Facemaskfdg.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWmELXkSZqc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWmELXkSZqc)


 Make your own mask  (https://www.google.com/search?q=mask+made+out+of+bra&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk019VD08q8Xs9_BKxAwEz2vOVVlMSA:1595206572762&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=Jkkrv9gaEe7FAM%252C44VYqG43mshO0M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQhDFCDkneueuHLLb3BWrKp-h_Qcw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjhn_PIz9rqAhUnxTgGHfZpDeQQ9QEwAHoECAcQEA&biw=1920&bih=920#imgrc=FHquPml5cYKjvM&imgdii=CzyBYCCFinghoM)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 20, 2020, 11:04:33 AM
On a serious side - lets see you walk into a bank with your mask on... ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Brisbane Puff on July 20, 2020, 02:19:42 PM
More on a serious note too.... Have a friend that moved to Melbourne early this year. Was working as manager of a shop in a large shopping center. Just put up a post that her shopping center has been put into lock down... Lots of friends put up posting about them needing to move back to Queensland.. I posted to do it quick before we blow up all the bridges and burn the place, (with a lot of smileys attached)..... My post was removed and I'm banned for four weeks... Even Facebook is easily offended...  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 20, 2020, 02:27:28 PM
First it was dunny rolls.....

now rolls of material
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melburnians-strip-shelves-of-sewing-machines-fabric-to-make-own-masks-20200720-p55dle.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melburnians-strip-shelves-of-sewing-machines-fabric-to-make-own-masks-20200720-p55dle.html)

on a side note - lady here, her sister is making masks - and has been for few mths, $8000 worth she sold last 4 weeks...
Wheres sarah and tim!
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Post by: Steffo1 on July 20, 2020, 02:44:04 PM
like my new mask idea?
(https://i0.wp.com/trendings.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Curvaceous-Mom-Shares-Hilarious-Results-Using-Bra-For-Makeshift-Facemaskfdg.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWmELXkSZqc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWmELXkSZqc)




 Make your own mask  (https://www.google.com/search?q=mask+made+out+of+bra&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk019VD08q8Xs9_BKxAwEz2vOVVlMSA:1595206572762&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=Jkkrv9gaEe7FAM%252C44VYqG43mshO0M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQhDFCDkneueuHLLb3BWrKp-h_Qcw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjhn_PIz9rqAhUnxTgGHfZpDeQQ9QEwAHoECAcQEA&biw=1920&bih=920#imgrc=FHquPml5cYKjvM&imgdii=CzyBYCCFinghoM)
She looks a right tit!
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Post by: gronk on July 20, 2020, 06:47:07 PM
She looks a right tit!

And would look funny walking along.....until she needed the left one for a mask as well !!  ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 21, 2020, 10:25:34 AM
shopping for face masks on ebay - sold in AU only which is hard t find...

but one seller is doing a roaring trade -


face masks on ebay  249 sold in one hour
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 21, 2020, 10:52:18 AM
No price gouging here

50 disposable masks $250....  Straight from Coronaville Chinlee... even writing on them is in chinese!
https://www.priceline.com.au/health/first-aid-kits-and-accessories/face-masks/kn95-disposable-face-mask-50-pack (https://www.priceline.com.au/health/first-aid-kits-and-accessories/face-masks/kn95-disposable-face-mask-50-pack)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on July 21, 2020, 11:28:23 AM
No price gouging here

50 disposable masks $250....  Straight from Coronaville Chinlee... even writing on them is in chinese!
https://www.priceline.com.au/health/first-aid-kits-and-accessories/face-masks/kn95-disposable-face-mask-50-pack (https://www.priceline.com.au/health/first-aid-kits-and-accessories/face-masks/kn95-disposable-face-mask-50-pack)

Just sent them an official complaint, bet I don't get a reply 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 21, 2020, 11:51:24 AM
Just sent them an official complaint, bet I don't get a reply
good luck
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on July 21, 2020, 11:52:51 AM
Drifta were making masks. Not sure what their stock is currently


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on July 21, 2020, 12:20:03 PM
No price gouging here

50 disposable masks $250....  Straight from Coronaville Chinlee... even writing on them is in chinese!
https://www.priceline.com.au/health/first-aid-kits-and-accessories/face-masks/kn95-disposable-face-mask-50-pack (https://www.priceline.com.au/health/first-aid-kits-and-accessories/face-masks/kn95-disposable-face-mask-50-pack)

N95 means they are P2 Masks. 

$14.95 for 2 @ Bunnings.

https://www.bunnings.com.au/3m-p2-particulate-sanding-fibreglass-valved-respirators-2-pack_p0054516 (https://www.bunnings.com.au/3m-p2-particulate-sanding-fibreglass-valved-respirators-2-pack_p0054516)

Weather they actually meet P2 standards is another thing..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on July 21, 2020, 03:02:54 PM
Just sent them an official complaint, bet I don't get a reply
Oooh! That was a brave move, you will probably get an after hours visit from Xi-Jinping's henchmen demanding an apology for daring to question their integrity.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on July 21, 2020, 03:26:31 PM
N95 means they are P2 Masks. 

$14.95 for 2 @ Bunnings.

https://www.bunnings.com.au/3m-p2-particulate-sanding-fibreglass-valved-respirators-2-pack_p0054516 (https://www.bunnings.com.au/3m-p2-particulate-sanding-fibreglass-valved-respirators-2-pack_p0054516)

Weather they actually meet P2 standards is another thing..

So Priceline is cheaper @ $3 ea

$14.95 x 25 = $373.75
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Steffo1 on July 21, 2020, 03:55:30 PM
N95 means they are P2 Masks. 

$14.95 for 2 @ Bunnings.

https://www.bunnings.com.au/3m-p2-particulate-sanding-fibreglass-valved-respirators-2-pack_p0054516 (https://www.bunnings.com.au/3m-p2-particulate-sanding-fibreglass-valved-respirators-2-pack_p0054516)

Weather they actually meet P2 standards is another thing..

These masks wouldn't do much good if worn by an infected person as the valves release exhaled air into the open.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: jclures on July 21, 2020, 04:03:15 PM
I can not see a valve from the Priceline link, so you would think they are not the same quality.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on July 21, 2020, 10:10:22 PM
If theres any unsure about whether or not masks are effective let me simplify it for you


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on July 22, 2020, 08:20:56 AM
In all seriousness, please please please, take all precautions, regardless of where you live. It is the only way we can slow this thing down.
Take care and be safe folks.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 22, 2020, 11:24:37 AM
480 more in Vic..
16 in NSW..
 
 more testin more positives..
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Post by: Ozsnowman on July 22, 2020, 11:28:27 AM
$10 for 10 disposable masks at Bunnings, and they have a ton of stock. Good for a start
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Post by: jclures on July 22, 2020, 11:34:13 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-22/200-people-missing-from-coronavirus-quarantine-in-queensland/12472332
If it is not to late, we should be closing the boarders again.
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Post by: Bird on July 22, 2020, 11:43:29 AM
$10 for 10 disposable masks at Bunnings, and they have a ton of stock. Good for a start
we were given some Alsco cloth ones at work... put it on for a test, and glasses fogged up in about 5 seconds :(
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Post by: filcar on July 22, 2020, 12:00:08 PM
we were given some Alsco cloth ones at work... put it on for a test, and glasses fogged up in about 5 seconds :(

Before slipping on a face mask, you should wash your glasses or sunglasses lenses with soapy water and shake off the excess moisture. Then, let your glasses air dry or gently dry the lenses with a clean microfiber cloth.

Using this method, the lenses shouldn’t fog up once you put on the mask and glasses, the study says. Why? Cleaning the lenses with soapy water leaves a thin film that reduces the “inherent surface tension” and prods the water molecules to form a transparent layer.
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Post by: Bird on July 22, 2020, 12:03:20 PM
Before slipping on a face mask, you should wash your glasses or sunglasses lenses with soapy water and shake off the excess moisture. Then, let your glasses air dry or gently dry the lenses with a clean microfiber cloth.

Using this method, the lenses shouldn’t fog up once you put on the mask and glasses, the study says. Why? Cleaning the lenses with soapy water leaves a thin film that reduces the “inherent surface tension” and prods the water molecules to form a transparent layer.
Cheers Mr, will sus that out...
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 22, 2020, 12:05:43 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-22/200-people-missing-from-coronavirus-quarantine-in-queensland/12472332
If it is not to late, we should be closing the boarders again.

Correct.
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Post by: GeoffA on July 22, 2020, 12:21:24 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-22/200-people-missing-from-coronavirus-quarantine-in-queensland/12472332
If it is not to late, we should be closing the boarders again.

ASAP....
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Post by: HKB Electronics on July 22, 2020, 01:30:26 PM
Agree, I know if I was in a state with no cases I would be happy with the borders being closed.

Problem though is the virus is not going to go away. What you all need to start thinking about is where is Australia
going to be in a year or two from now?

The goverment can't keep borrowing money for ever to keep giving handouts, they will need to start paying money back
and that money is going to come from businesses that are still going, those who are lucky enough to still have a job and
self funded retirees etc.

The question for all is what is the future going to look like if this is still going on in two years time, no one would like to be in
the US at the moment but in two years time they might be well and truly better off if the virus burns itself out?

The crunch hasn't come yet, the goverment is trying to keep businesses and workers afloat but it can't go on forever, so the
question is what do people see for the future in both the safe and infected states?

Looks like stage 4 is coming to VIC, that will most likely mean most businesses closing down and a very large slice of goverment
revenue disappearing, will be intersting times ahead. If VIC and NSW end up in total lock down for some time that will be a massive
slice of goverment revenue gone, I wonder what Australia will look like then?personally I hope the clean states stay clean and prosper
so that they can make up the short fall.

Those living in the current safe states think closing the borders will keep them safe, that may not be the case if the economy collapses,
but again what do others think?   
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Post by: Bird on July 22, 2020, 01:41:24 PM
Agree, I know if I was in a state with no cases I would be happy with the borders being closed.

Problem though is the virus is not going to go away. What you all need to start thinking about is where is Australia
going to be in a year or two from now?


The goverment can't keep borrowing money for ever to keep giving handouts, they will need to start paying money back
and that money is going to come from businesses that are still going, those who are lucky enough to still have a job and
self funded retirees etc.

The question for all is what is the future going to look like if this is still going on in two years time, no one would like to be in
the US at the moment but in two years time they might be well and truly better off if the virus burns itself out?

The crunch hasn't come yet, the goverment is trying to keep businesses and workers afloat but it can't go on forever, so the
question is what do people see for the future in both the safe and infected states?

Looks like stage 4 is coming to VIC, that will most likely mean most businesses closing down and a very large slice of goverment
revenue disappearing, will be interesting times ahead. If VIC and NSW end up in total lock down for some time that will be a massive
slice of goverment revenue gone, I wonder what Australia will look like then?personally I hope the clean states stay clean and prosper
so that they can make up the short fall.

Those living in the current safe states think closing the borders will keep them safe, that may not be the case if the economy collapses,
but again what do others think?   
agree
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Post by: austastar on July 22, 2020, 01:49:37 PM
Hi,
   I think we should even build a wall along our 80m  land border (https://maps.app.goo.gl/hkgFiVihgqL3UD9S8) with Victoria.
Never know who could be lurking there, they could just walk on in.
Cheers

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Post by: Pete79 on July 22, 2020, 01:58:04 PM
If theres any unsure about whether or not masks are effective let me simplify it for you


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Ah, but you see those clever Americans have already found a flaw with this logic... ;)

 https://www.newsweek.com/woman-refuses-wear-mask-compares-it-pants-not-stopping-fart-smell-1519497 (https://www.newsweek.com/woman-refuses-wear-mask-compares-it-pants-not-stopping-fart-smell-1519497)


"You think that mask is going to protect you?" she asked. Pointing to the back of her pants, she adds: "when you fart out your ass, you can smell it! You think that mask is going to protect you?" She then heads for the exit.
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Post by: Brisbane Puff on July 22, 2020, 04:20:45 PM
Been thinking over the last few weeks.. All those doom day prepers in their bunkers in the USA must be laughing their guts out right now.... Knuckled down underground with their 12 months supplies, tooled up ready to repel any encroachment on their turf.. Stuff that used to be only in the movies....
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Post by: Bird on July 22, 2020, 04:51:42 PM
The message ??? ???


More than $100,000 in fines were issued on Tuesday in Victoria. Nineteen of the 61 fines were issued at vehicle checkpoints on arterial roads across the state.
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Post by: McGirr on July 22, 2020, 09:54:10 PM
Agree, I know if I was in a state with no cases I would be happy with the borders being closed.

Problem though is the virus is not going to go away. What you all need to start thinking about is where is Australia
going to be in a year or two from now?

The goverment can't keep borrowing money for ever to keep giving handouts, they will need to start paying money back
and that money is going to come from businesses that are still going, those who are lucky enough to still have a job and
self funded retirees etc.

The question for all is what is the future going to look like if this is still going on in two years time, no one would like to be in
the US at the moment but in two years time they might be well and truly better off if the virus burns itself out?

The crunch hasn't come yet, the goverment is trying to keep businesses and workers afloat but it can't go on forever, so the
question is what do people see for the future in both the safe and infected states?

Looks like stage 4 is coming to VIC, that will most likely mean most businesses closing down and a very large slice of goverment
revenue disappearing, will be intersting times ahead. If VIC and NSW end up in total lock down for some time that will be a massive
slice of goverment revenue gone, I wonder what Australia will look like then?personally I hope the clean states stay clean and prosper
so that they can make up the short fall.

Those living in the current safe states think closing the borders will keep them safe, that may not be the case if the economy collapses,
but again what do others think?   

I can only guess but see how I go,

Gst will rise probably to 12.5%

We will go into a depression by the end of the year, we are already in a recession.

Working from home will be more frequent for some people.

That's all for now, hopefully I am wrong, but......

Mark
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Post by: glenm64 on July 22, 2020, 10:53:54 PM
Mark, forgot to add stock market is going to tank again.


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Post by: GeoffA on July 23, 2020, 06:42:59 AM
Long term I see no need to get too pessimistic. The pandemic won't last forever. In the short-mid term however, there are/will definitely be tough times.
If we look back 100 years to the last pandemic and study the decade that followed there is life beyond....but the decade that followed that is another matter....

Just another perspective...

 :cheers:
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Post by: GeoffA on July 23, 2020, 06:52:08 AM
Mark, forgot to add stock market is going to tank again.

It always comes back......but I've had my time in the share market.

 :cheers:


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Post by: Robbo on July 23, 2020, 12:04:35 PM
As long as we have ignorant morons like this amongst us we are never going to get on top of this Covid-19 virus.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/antimaskers-graffiti-federal-health-minister-greg-hunts-melbourne-office/news-story/fc6b7d7db3463c44a00279df476aec0a

Their selfish actions and attitudes are putting the whole country at risk.
The same applies to these scum that are planning to protest on saturday against all request.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/22/sydney-black-lives-matter-protest-organisers-say-blm-rally-will-proceed-despite-pm-and-premiers-condemnation

Just what the hell does one do to get common sense to prevail?
 :-[ :-[
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Post by: alnjan on July 23, 2020, 12:29:10 PM
As long as we have ignorant morons like this amongst us we are never going to get on top of this Covid-19 virus.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/antimaskers-graffiti-federal-health-minister-greg-hunts-melbourne-office/news-story/fc6b7d7db3463c44a00279df476aec0a

Their selfish actions and attitudes are putting the whole country at risk.
The same applies to these scum that are planning to protest on saturday against all request.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/22/sydney-black-lives-matter-protest-organisers-say-blm-rally-will-proceed-despite-pm-and-premiers-condemnation

Just what the hell does one do to get common sense to prevail?
 :-[ :-[

As I just posted in the WTF thread.

For no other reason then it fits into the agenda of Black Lives Matter and everything it stands for.   There is more to Black Lives Matter then stopping racism and it involves breaking down society, what better way to do it then spreading COVID-19.   
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Post by: Bigfish on July 24, 2020, 07:52:24 AM
Spent 2 weeks at Tannum Sands and Airlie Beach. Definitely the parks have a lot less interstate people. . They felt quieter, more peaceful and amenities were always clean and virtually empty...loved it.  Many of the Qld vanners were happy at the fewer numbers as a few said that at least they were able to get a site. Complaints of many booking the same site 12 months in advance.  This may well change as the Qld campers will now get first option to re-book.  Airlie Beach looks like it is in full swing again with big numbers in the main street Saturday morning. Business,s slowly opening up but tourism has still taken a big hit. Bugger all interstate vans on the road as well. Hopefully the borders are policed well for as long is needed.  Victoria's issues could well have happened to any large city. Hope they get on top as the ripple effect will go across Oz.
7 weeks until I,ll be in Burketown fishing. Had 2 trips ruined by this virus.  Just hope that our figures (Qld) allow us to holiday at home. Its about time the Vics and NSW people cared about their fellow state peoples and camp within their own state. Bushfires and business downturns means that support is needed now. We are in for a rocky ride...everyone.
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Post by: Bird on July 26, 2020, 10:55:23 AM
Wow.

More than 50 aged care deaths predicted in next fortnight as Victoria fights 'crisis'
By Michael Fowler

More than 50 Victorian aged care residents already infected with coronavirus are predicted to die in the next fortnight as the number of infections hit 536 residents and workers across 38 aged care homes and the state recorded five deaths on Saturday.

In a sign authorities have recognised aged care as Victoria's number one coronavirus concern, the federal and state governments have collaborated to form a centralised aged care response centre led by emergency services in Melbourne.
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Post by: tryagain on July 26, 2020, 12:18:50 PM
Wow.

More than 50 aged care deaths predicted in next fortnight as Victoria fights 'crisis'
By Michael Fowler

More than 50 Victorian aged care residents already infected with coronavirus are predicted to die in the next fortnight as the number of infections hit 536 residents and workers across 38 aged care homes and the state recorded five deaths on Saturday.

In a sign authorities have recognised aged care as Victoria's number one coronavirus concern, the federal and state governments have collaborated to form a centralised aged care response centre led by emergency services in Melbourne.

Newmarch house in Sydney showed what happens if there is an outbreak in aged care with 19 deaths. Resources will be more stretched now Vic, would be surprised if it didn't end up being more than 50.
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Post by: glenm64 on July 26, 2020, 02:11:43 PM
Most industrial businesses I know of segregated work groups with no overlaps between teams when Clovis hit to protect the business as part of their crisis management plans.
Why didnt nursing homes with their vulnerable patients not do it? Because they run them undermanned and depend on flexible casual and part timer workers to cover shifts. They also use agency casuals to cover gaps. Even in the nursing homes with different wards, staff moved between wards when working. What chance did the oldies have with business models like that? Only now when things are dire they are looking at changes.

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Post by: Bird on July 26, 2020, 02:45:43 PM
So not feeling flash last couple of days, looked up where the nearest testing center is -
https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/where-get-tested-covid-19 (https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/where-get-tested-covid-19)
turns out that it was walking distance from home..
So went down.

No waiting really -only 2 infront of me..
Answered a few questions, fill in a form, waited no more than 5 mins.

Hearing horror stories of sending in a D9 up ya schnoz - it was nothing like that..
Once I sat down - the whole thing was over in 1 minute.

If ya feeling like ya got a bit of a cold/flu - head down to one of the walk up centers... The dude there said they never have waiting like the drive through ones...

The only issue is Big Dan said you dont need to isolate after a test, but the testing center nurse bloke said you need to until results, 3-5 days time.
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Post by: bmwfreak on July 26, 2020, 02:48:38 PM
Well done, and well said Bird :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
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Post by: HKB Electronics on July 26, 2020, 03:04:54 PM
Big Dans been going on for days about people not isolating after going for a test, your supposed isolate until you get the results!

The communication has been really poor, a couple of days ago it was stated if you don't have any symptoms then you don't need
to self isolate till you get the results. Then you have Dan complaining that that 50% aren't self isolating after having the test.

They really need to get their act together as the conflicting messages are confusing people.

Same for masks, was walking at the beach this morning, about half the bike riders were wearing mask, same for runners, if half can wear
then all should be. Walkers too, seen a few without masks walking with a few quick steps every now and again, I imagine if they get pulled
up they say their jogging Then there were those with just the mouth covered, and the mask below the noise! There used to be more police
around keeping order before the restrictions level was raised.
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Post by: Hairs on July 26, 2020, 05:30:10 PM
Sums up some peoples attitudes.
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Post by: Bird on July 26, 2020, 06:00:12 PM
Quote from: HKB Electronics
The communication has been really poor, a couple of days ago it was stated if you don't have any symptoms then you don't need to self isolate till you get the results. Then you have Dan complaining that that 50% aren't self isolating after having the test.

They really need to get their act together as the conflicting messages are confusing people.
THIS LOTS...
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Post by: tedota on July 27, 2020, 10:22:56 AM
Yes black lives matter but don’t old lives matter?
Just can’t believe what’s happening in Victoria after the NSW fiasco.
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Post by: Bigfish on July 27, 2020, 12:06:08 PM
Yes black lives matter but don’t old lives matter?
Just can’t believe what’s happening in Victoria after the NSW fiasco.

I,m over this bullShit black lives matter. All lives matter.  If you want to do criminal acts, act like a f wit towards coppers or just be very anti social in your endeavors then expect to pay the price.  If this demo goes ahead the whole lot of the selfish, ignorant and arrogant pricks should >:D >:D >:D be isolated in a jail cell for 14 days..
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Post by: alnjan on July 27, 2020, 03:14:51 PM
I,m over this bullShit black lives matter. All lives matter.  If you want to do criminal acts, act like a f wit towards coppers or just be very anti social in your endeavors then expect to pay the price.  If this demo goes ahead the whole lot of the selfish, ignorant and arrogant pricks should >:D >:D >:D be isolated in a jail cell for 14 days..

Sadly people are blindly swallowing up the sentiment of Black Lives Matter without knowing what Black Lives Matter mission and agenda stand for or what their end goal stands for.   
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Post by: Bird on July 27, 2020, 04:21:22 PM
Sadly people are blindly swallowing up the sentiment of Black Lives Matter without knowing what Black Lives Matter mission and agenda stand for or what their end goal stands for.
bingo
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Post by: lukeycat on July 27, 2020, 07:40:19 PM
bingo
One of the saddest aspects of this is if covid gets into the remote indigenous communities it will decimate them with the comorbidities such diabetes and heart disease being so common in the indigenous population.


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Post by: Hairs on July 27, 2020, 07:51:01 PM
bingo
Yep,
Two fat ladies.
There is the winner.
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Post by: Bird on July 28, 2020, 12:47:39 PM
Quote from: Bird
...... until results, 3-5 days time.
and thats that.
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Post by: GeoffA on July 28, 2020, 01:11:27 PM
 :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on July 28, 2020, 04:19:36 PM
One of the saddest aspects of this is if covid gets into the remote indigenous communities it will decimate them with the comorbidity such diabetes and heart disease being so common in the indigenous population.


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True statements.  It makes you wonder though...what the f are all the nuppty blacks and whites attending rallies for that could possibly see this virus spread even more..

Black lives matter no more than white or any other colour...
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Post by: Spada on July 29, 2020, 12:56:06 PM
I'd suggest a different place for their isolation  >:(

These 2 selfish ignorant bitches are now putting an entire community into disarray. School is closed, aged care homes are going into lockdown, looks like shopping centres will need to close for deep cleaning, and anyone in the area may now need to be tested and isolate until results are returned.

Don't throw the book at them, throw f#^%#$#$ stones at them  >:(

https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/how-teens-put-qld-in-covid-19-panic-mode-c-1201918 (https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/how-teens-put-qld-in-covid-19-panic-mode-c-1201918)
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Post by: jclures on July 29, 2020, 01:18:53 PM
People can not be trusted to tell the truth, >:( so just close the borders again until it is again safe to do so.
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Post by: alnjan on July 29, 2020, 01:23:45 PM
I'd suggest a different place for their isolation  >:(

These 2 selfish ignorant bitches are now putting an entire community into disarray. School is closed, aged care homes are going into lockdown, looks like shopping centres will need to close for deep cleaning, and anyone in the area may now need to be tested and isolate until results are returned.

Don't throw the book at them, throw f#^%#$#$ stones at them  >:(

https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/how-teens-put-qld-in-covid-19-panic-mode-c-1201918 (https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/how-teens-put-qld-in-covid-19-panic-mode-c-1201918)

They are just unbelievably selfishly stupid.   
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Post by: Bird on July 29, 2020, 01:26:26 PM
Quote from: jclures
People can not be trusted to tell the truth, >:( so just close the borders again until it is again safe to do so.

sadly that could 12 + months... how do you think that would got down lolol
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 29, 2020, 01:28:49 PM
I'd suggest a different place for their isolation  >:(

These 2 selfish ignorant bitches are now putting an entire community into disarray. School is closed, aged care homes are going into lockdown, looks like shopping centres will need to close for deep cleaning, and anyone in the area may now need to be tested and isolate until results are returned.

Don't throw the book at them, throw f#^%#$#$ stones at them  >:(

https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/how-teens-put-qld-in-covid-19-panic-mode-c-1201918 (https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/how-teens-put-qld-in-covid-19-panic-mode-c-1201918)
start with name and shame... photos front page of  the paper :D

this is why it will never go away... taking it serious ??
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Post by: Hairs on July 29, 2020, 01:35:29 PM
start with name and shame... photos front page of  the paper :D

this is why it will never go away... taking it serious ??
I wish, these people have to be made accountable.
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Post by: Kangaron on July 29, 2020, 03:23:16 PM
They are just unbelievably selfishly stupid.
Hahahaha, you have just the two and you all go off.
We have had a city full of them for months.

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Post by: edz on July 29, 2020, 06:41:28 PM
[quote ]
They are just unbelievably selfishly stupid.
[/quote]

The attitude of a lot from the Northern side of the border who cross every day into NSW and return without being checked, "  Unfortunitely "   Then spruke about how they dont want those bad bad  virus infected southerners coming into their state .
Well the inevitable has has now bit their arse and now their communities will pay the price .. From within their own .
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Post by: alnjan on July 29, 2020, 10:33:19 PM
Hahahaha, you have just the two and you all go off.
We have had a city full of them for months.

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Yep there are a lot of selfishly stupid people about.   But just the special ones already showing symptoms catch a flight from Melbourne to Sydney then fill out border pass saying they are coming from Sydney to Brisbane but do not mention the couple of hours lay over waiting for the connecting flight to from Sydney to Brisbane.  While in Brisbane go about their 'normal' life like shopping at major shopping centres, going to work at a school, all while showing symptoms then later decide to get tested to find they are positive.   Criminal investigation hopefully they get what they deserve.   
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Post by: tryagain on July 29, 2020, 11:40:38 PM
start with name and shame... photos front page of  the paper :D

Done

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/coronavirus-queensland-teens-who-allegedly-failed-to-quarantine-identified/news-story/d671893867c3389f5f1c5007e3a77871 (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/coronavirus-queensland-teens-who-allegedly-failed-to-quarantine-identified/news-story/d671893867c3389f5f1c5007e3a77871)
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Post by: edz on July 30, 2020, 01:19:51 AM
The local lynch mobs are gathering .... These two will most likely have  police protection assigned soon . Going by some of the locals face plant rants .
God help them if someone gets sick or dies  ..  Can almost hear the banjo's twnging in the distance .
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Post by: Troopy_03 on July 30, 2020, 05:35:27 AM
Well Eve Black's car windo got busted, then she got busted LOL

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-eve-black-arrest-victoria-border-checkpoint-video-melbourne-outbreak-covid19/1c569e41-477b-47c9-9155-8bad545fc333 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-eve-black-arrest-victoria-border-checkpoint-video-melbourne-outbreak-covid19/1c569e41-477b-47c9-9155-8bad545fc333)
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Post by: Spada on July 30, 2020, 06:20:11 AM
Done

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/coronavirus-queensland-teens-who-allegedly-failed-to-quarantine-identified/news-story/d671893867c3389f5f1c5007e3a77871 (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/coronavirus-queensland-teens-who-allegedly-failed-to-quarantine-identified/news-story/d671893867c3389f5f1c5007e3a77871)

More being reported this morning. It's being reported that they travelled to Melbourne to attend a party and go on a shop lifting spree in the fashion outlets. Apparently they were each issued a $1600 fine in Vic for breaching Covid rules at the party. They were told to get Covid tested on Friday but chose not to bother until Monday, going about their normal lifestyles over the weekend while still ill.

They are now under police guard in hospital.

Personally, the actions of these two young women show that they are nothing more than a stain on the underpants of society. The results of their actions are immeasurable. Whilst infectious, they have attended a significant list of resturants, food outlets, medical centres, shopping centres, and high volume public places (like Southbank). not to mention their link to the 2 schools which are now closed.
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Post by: Robbo on July 30, 2020, 08:07:25 AM
This pretty much sums it up.  ;D ;D
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Post by: edz on July 30, 2020, 08:11:43 AM
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 reported that they travelled to Melbourne to attend a party
[/quote]

Wonder if it was the same sort of party,  a group of local similar looking ladies  from here fly in fly out for ? .  ;)
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Post by: jclures on July 30, 2020, 08:24:44 AM
At the price of air fares now they would have to pay for them some how. ;D
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Post by: bmwfreak on July 30, 2020, 08:41:52 AM
Forget about the fines for these two. Push the businesses effected to take legal action for loss of income, then ensure the case gets heard within the week, and the judge is one of the people who went to the restaurants quoted ??? ???. The businesses should be awarded so much that the two will be destitute for the remainder of their ‘partying’ lives >:D >:D
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Post by: edz on July 30, 2020, 09:08:38 AM
So if someone dies from these two's deliberate antics ..  Could they be charged with manslaughter or  murder ? ..
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Post by: Kangaron on July 30, 2020, 09:13:44 AM
Just listening to 3aw, which has accurately predicted the number of new cases in Vic for the last two weeks, say today's figures are over 700, with deaths over 10.

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Post by: #jonesy on July 30, 2020, 09:19:39 AM
I wouldn't say predicted. More likely leaked.

All through this I've been hearing whispers, hours and days before the government makes announcements.  Some of it has obviously need speculation, but some of the detail is spot on.
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Post by: Mace on July 30, 2020, 09:54:41 AM


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8574253/Victoria-announces-record-700-new-coronavirus-cases-13-deaths.html?ito=push-notification&ci=25575&si=9930254 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8574253/Victoria-announces-record-700-new-coronavirus-cases-13-deaths.html?ito=push-notification&ci=25575&si=9930254)
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Post by: Bird on July 30, 2020, 10:04:30 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8574253/Victoria-announces-record-700-new-coronavirus-cases-13-deaths.html?ito=push-notification&ci=25575&si=9930254 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8574253/Victoria-announces-record-700-new-coronavirus-cases-13-deaths.html?ito=push-notification&ci=25575&si=9930254)
yea 3AW just said 723 and 11 deaths

Its going nowhere.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 30, 2020, 10:05:42 AM
yea 3AW just said 723 and 11 deaths

Just heard the same here.
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Post by: Bird on July 30, 2020, 11:08:37 AM
https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-global-covid-19-cases-pass-16-8-million-deaths-reach-660-000-20200730-p55gsa.html#p50x1q (https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-global-covid-19-cases-pass-16-8-million-deaths-reach-660-000-20200730-p55gsa.html#p50x1q)
Watch live:
Victoria's coronavirus update with Premier Daniel Andrews


105 deaths all up :'( thats tragic - all todays over 60

There are currently 5385 active coronavirus cases in Victoria, Premier Daniel Andrews has said.
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Post by: xcvator on July 30, 2020, 12:47:17 PM
So just how bad does it have to get before bigears decides that we have to have a total lock down of everything except super markets for food, chemists,doctors.Wear a mask when outside your home, NO EXCEPTIONS.




Pity the unions have so much say in what gets done down here   >:( >:( >:( 
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Post by: Bird on July 30, 2020, 01:27:46 PM
Unions would do **** all but demand a payrise and less hours  ;D


of extreme concern ->>>

One in 10 firms say they will shut once government support ends

One in 10 businesses say they will close once government support measures such as JobKeeper come to an end.

A special business survey by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, released on Thursday, shows how dependent many firms are on programs including JobKeeper, which the government plans to start winding back from the end of September.

While 10 per cent of firms said they would shut without support, among accommodation and food services businesses the closure rate rose to 23 per cent. Among transport, postal and warehousing firms, the closure rate was 18 per cent.

A total of 12 per cent of firms said they would let go staff once government support ends, a sign of the possible increase in unemployment that might hit the economy through the end of this year and into early 2021.

The survey came as the ABS also reported a 4.9 per cent drop in dwelling approvals through June. Over the past year, they are now down by 15.8 per cent.

"The impact of COVID-19 was evident on dwelling approvals in June," the bureau's assistant director construction statistics, Bill Becker, said.
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Post by: Spada on July 30, 2020, 04:34:10 PM
More being reported this morning. It's being reported that they travelled to Melbourne to attend a party and go on a shop lifting spree in the fashion outlets. Apparently they were each issued a $1600 fine in Vic for breaching Covid rules at the party. They were told to get Covid tested on Friday but chose not to bother until Monday, going about their normal lifestyles over the weekend while still ill.

 not to mention their link to the 2 schools which are now closed.

Add another school to the list. The church that one of these idiots attended while infectious is actually a community church that hires the Greenbank State School hall on Sundays for their service. The hall had was cleaned by school janitors on Monday morning, but not a "covid quality" deep clean. Aparently this was prior to school opening, but I know that the school OSHC use this hall from 6am for students in their care, and that the schools cleaners are now isolated pending test results.

There is also another new infection that will be linked to this pair, one of their friends is an employee of a very large freight handling depot at Redbank and I'm led to believe has returned a positive result today.
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Post by: Hairs on July 30, 2020, 04:59:55 PM
Hey,
Just another shout out to our Vic Swaggers, Mates & Families.
Take care Guys & Girls, we are thinking of you.
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Post by: jclures on July 30, 2020, 05:02:08 PM
That is true Hairs, everyone take care down there.
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Post by: edz on July 30, 2020, 05:18:26 PM
 8)
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Post by: Bird on July 31, 2020, 10:47:47 AM
600+ today :'(
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Post by: Robbo on July 31, 2020, 11:51:45 AM
I see that the brother of one of those scum females that brought the virus into Qld is acusing the authotities of being racist and picking on his sister because of her skin colour. Un effing believable. If any deaths occur as a result of their selfish and ignorant actions, they should be charged with invoulantary manslaughter.
What will it take to make some people realise just how serious this pandemic situation actually is?

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Post by: Spada on July 31, 2020, 12:10:24 PM
I see that the brother of one of those scum females that brought the virus into Qld is acusing the authotities of being racist and picking on his sister because of her skin colour. Un effing believable. If any deaths occur as a result of their selfish and ignorant actions, they should be charged with invoulantary manslaughter.
What will it take to make some people realise just how serious this pandemic situation actually is?

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and now the 4th new case (direct link to these 2 women) has been in close contact with a relative that works in an aged care centre.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-queensland-live-brisbane-covid19-updates/live-coverage/bec368c4b3178a303012448dfd885e27 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-queensland-live-brisbane-covid19-updates/live-coverage/bec368c4b3178a303012448dfd885e27)
Quote
Queensland’s newest case of coronavirus has triggered a panicked chain reaction across the southeast, including at an aged care facility.

A 27-year-old man tested positive for COVID-19 overnight and has been declared the fourth case in the cluster sparked by the two women who allegedly lied to sneak back into Brisbane from Melbourne.

“It’s confusing, I do apologise,” chief health officer Dr Jeannette Young said while explaining the bizarre link.

It sure is confusing. Here’s what has taken place:

1. The man tested positive overnight and contact tracing took place.

2. The man had been in contact with a relative and the relative’s partner.

3. Those two people dined at a Korean restaurant in Sunnybank on July 23 called Madtongsan.

4. Olivia Winnie Muranga, 19, Diana Lasu, 21, the women who spent time in Melbourne, jumped the border and went into the community while infectious, were at that restaurant at the same time.

5. The women and the two relatives weren’t known to each other, it’s understood.

6. The two relatives have been tested but their results aren’t back, but Dr Young thinks it’s likely one or both will have COVID-19

7. One of those relatives works at the Bolton Clarke aged care facility in Pinjarra Hills.
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Post by: Bird on July 31, 2020, 12:19:58 PM
I see that the brother of one of those scum females that brought the virus into Qld is acusing the authotities of being racist and picking on his sister because of her skin colour.
surprised it took that long to dig out the race card... it would have been smoking in their pockets....


'You need to think about my sister. (She) couldn’t even breathe. Some days she couldn’t even like breathe out of her, like her airways.'

FFS with those lips ???
(https://newsatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/2020-07-30-2.jpg?w=600)
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Post by: Robbo on July 31, 2020, 12:56:59 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how certain people will pull out the "racist" or "offended" card when things are'nt going their way and they are in the wrong.
Also how the media is quick to get on board and almost make them out to be saints.
With the media constantly putting down and rubbishing govt. officials who are trying their best to control an almost impossible situation, it's no wonder that some individuals are treating this pandemic with total contempt.

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Post by: corndog on July 31, 2020, 01:30:31 PM
I've found that some of the biggest racist are the ones that are screaming racism. I had not even thought about their skin colour. Maybe cause I couldn't get past those sets of lips,. All it has to do with me is the fact that they have no regard for anyone's welfare and the steps to help contain this thing. I really do hope they get the full punishment of the law. Same goes for any others that go their way.
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Post by: Bird on July 31, 2020, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: corndog
I really do hope they get the full punishment of the law.

now they have played their joker card, theres no way Gov Co will have the balls to give them the works in fear of 'offending' them cause of their colour..
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Post by: Gazza00 on July 31, 2020, 02:49:42 PM
FFS with those lips ???

It would be easy to isolate these pair  ...  just lick their lips and stick them to a window  ...  just like a flanged drain plunger
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Post by: Kangaron on July 31, 2020, 03:19:04 PM
ADF door knocked 500 peeps that had tested positive and we're supposed to be self isolating, and a whopping 130 were no home.
No wonder Melbourne is &$#@ed.

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Post by: DarWen on July 31, 2020, 04:09:50 PM
surprised it took that long to dig out the race card... it would have been smoking in their pockets....


'You need to think about my sister. (She) couldn’t even breathe. Some days she couldn’t even like breathe out of her, like her airways.'

FFS with those lips ???
(https://newsatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/2020-07-30-2.jpg?w=600)

Are they Black?  I thought it was just a bad job on the fake tans. Maybe got it done at the same place they had their lips done. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Hairs on July 31, 2020, 07:40:01 PM
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Post by: AllanK on August 01, 2020, 08:36:44 AM
ADF door knocked 500 peeps that had tested positive and we're supposed to be self isolating, and a whopping 130 were no home.
No wonder Melbourne is &$#@ed.

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It ain’t hard.
If they’re not at home when checked on get them when they come home and place them into hotel quarantine at their cost with 14 days to restart from them. Clearly they can’t be relied upon/trusted to do the right thing themselves.
Oh that can’t work cause they don’t have the funds to pay the cost.
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Post by: Spada on August 01, 2020, 09:44:10 AM
Thanks to those 2 ftard women im now standing in a cue to get tested. Ive been at 2 of the places on the hit list around the times in question.
No my weekend is stuffed cause ill have to isolate untill the results come back
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Post by: edz on August 01, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Reckon  you and a thousand others would rather  be standing in a queue to give them a smack in the mouth ..
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Post by: Pottsy on August 01, 2020, 01:06:04 PM
Reckon  you and a thousand others would rather  be standing in a queue to give them a smack in the mouth ..
Can you imagine them with swollen lips!
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Post by: Bird on August 01, 2020, 01:06:51 PM
Reckon  you and a thousand others would rather  be standing in a queue to give them a smack in the mouth ..
lookoin at that photo, they already have been hit and given a fat lip
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Post by: Shippo on August 01, 2020, 01:18:36 PM
FFS with those lips ???

It would be easy to isolate these pair  ...  just lick their lips and stick them to a window  ...  just like a flanged drain plunger

I  near spat my drink out!  Funniest thing ive read in a long time  :cup:
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Post by: Bird on August 01, 2020, 01:38:44 PM
I see that the brother of one of those scum females that brought the virus into Qld is acusing the authotities of being racist and picking on his sister because of her skin colour.

latest thing going around is something to do with escortsandbabes website... gee, if that turned up as a home delivery you'd refuse to open the door
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Post by: Spada on August 01, 2020, 01:53:25 PM
Reckon  you and a thousand others would rather  be standing in a queue to give them a smack in the mouth ..

you betcha.
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Post by: Bigfish on August 01, 2020, 04:20:42 PM
Hopefully a vaccine may be a reality...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-01/sa-potential-coronavirus-vaccine-passes-first-phase/12514988 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-01/sa-potential-coronavirus-vaccine-passes-first-phase/12514988)
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Post by: geopaj on August 01, 2020, 08:48:22 PM
Thanks to those 2 ftard women im now standing in a cue to get tested. Ive been at 2 of the places on the hit list around the times in question.
No my weekend is stuffed cause ill have to isolate untill the results come back
I wonder if anyone who contracts COVID-19, and contact tracing confirms the link to these girls, would be able to undertake legal action (that would be an interesting class action)... if only they had the assets and income to make it worth while
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Post by: Bird on August 02, 2020, 01:33:30 PM
Victoria records '650 new cases', panic buying over imminent stage four

Are we actually going to make it out the other side of this Shit??? More panic buying??? FFS....
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Post by: Bird on August 02, 2020, 03:22:50 PM
Panic buyingi in full swing

Butcher cleand out hour and half before normal closing
coles - fruit and veg - 75% of shelves empty - meat gone, bread gone, rice -gone, pasta little left, dairy - gone many other areas EMPTY....

Bakers Delight - 10+ people queued up waiting
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Post by: Bigfish on August 02, 2020, 03:26:28 PM
 Feel sorry for the poor buggers in Vic and now NSW.  Stupidity, selfishness and ignorance have landed the 2 states in deep Shit.  Forget the fines...automatic 2 months jail will stop the rot. I still reckon Qld. is gunna cop it. Hope Clive covidiot Palmer gets a dose.  W.A.,s border close has certainly helped them.
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Post by: Bird on August 02, 2020, 04:12:06 PM
UPDATED: A state of disaster has been declared in Victoria and some new lockdown rules will come into place from Sunday night in metropolitan Melbourne, including a curfew from 8pm to 5am for non-essential activities.

They will be in place for six weeks [until September 13].

Under the stage four rules:

    Exercise will be limited to one hour per day
    Only one person per household will be able to go out shopping within 5km of their home - People in Reefton are fcuked their nearest store is 20klms away
    Remote learning will resume for all students from Wednesday
    Childcare will be closed except for vulnerable children and children of permitted workers
    Public transport will be restricted overnight
    Weddings will be banned from Thursday - Many a mans life is saved!!
    Funerals allowed and 10 mourners can leave Melbourne for regional funerals
    Organised sport will be banned
    Visits to intimate partners will be allowed outside 5km
    Cafes and restaurants can still open to sell takeaway food




And people with the virus are allowed to go out and exercise with the rest of the people ..... how the **** does that make sense... ????


Fairly sad reading...
https://www.theage.com.au/national/live-updates-coronavirus-victoria-braces-for-stage-four-lockdown-after-high-covid-19-cases-aged-care-crisis-continues-nsw-battles-clusters-australian-death-toll-jumps-to-201-20200802-p55ho8.html#p50xr3 (https://www.theage.com.au/national/live-updates-coronavirus-victoria-braces-for-stage-four-lockdown-after-high-covid-19-cases-aged-care-crisis-continues-nsw-battles-clusters-australian-death-toll-jumps-to-201-20200802-p55ho8.html#p50xr3)
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Post by: Kangaron on August 02, 2020, 04:14:36 PM

    Only one person per household will be able to go out shopping within 5km of their home - People in Reefton are fcuked their nearest store is 20klms away
   

Dosnt apply to regional areas on stage 3 only
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Post by: bmwfreak on August 02, 2020, 04:15:25 PM
Then there are the people like the women reported in this story. Sure it’s a shame that she couldn’t visit her father one last time before his death, but has she considered that she may have carried Covid to what is left of her family?
 https://apple.news/AcIKGNqnWSGGOZDAqXvv1xQ (https://apple.news/AcIKGNqnWSGGOZDAqXvv1xQ)
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Post by: Bird on August 02, 2020, 04:28:42 PM
Then there are the people like the women reported in this story. Sure it’s a shame that she couldn’t visit her father one last time before his death, but has she considered that she may have carried Covid to what is left of her family?
 https://apple.news/AcIKGNqnWSGGOZDAqXvv1xQ (https://apple.news/AcIKGNqnWSGGOZDAqXvv1xQ)
Sorry, but the only people who should be allowed to break quarantine rules are sports people, government ministers, movie stars and the very rich.

The rest of us must bunker down for the sake of the nation
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Post by: Hairs on August 02, 2020, 05:16:34 PM
Sorry, but the only people who should be allowed to break quarantine rules are sports people, government ministers, movie stars and the very rich.

The rest of us must bunker down for the sake of the nation
Nathan Buckley has taken that advice up.
Lmao
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Post by: Pete79 on August 02, 2020, 05:24:29 PM
Sorry, but the only people who should be allowed to break quarantine rules are sports people, government ministers, movie stars and the very rich.

The rest of us must bunker down for the sake of the nation
And diplomats....

 https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/covid-positive-consulate-staffer-flew-from-sydney-to-sunshine-coast-while-infectious-20200802-p55hqh.html (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/covid-positive-consulate-staffer-flew-from-sydney-to-sunshine-coast-while-infectious-20200802-p55hqh.html)

Infected in Afghanistan and flies into Sydney, not required to quarantine in arrival (Consular staff), so free to travel on a domestic flight to Queensland, not required to do hotel quarantine on into Queensland, now free to stay at home (if he feels like it)...

Now the contact tracing begins.
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Post by: D4D on August 02, 2020, 06:14:27 PM
Last roll of the dice for Dan, no more 'stages' after this. The people that were breaking stage 3 restrictions are still going to break the stage 4 restrictions. The Greater Melbourne economy will take over a decade to recover from the next 6 weeks.
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Post by: GeoffA on August 02, 2020, 06:19:15 PM
...The people that were breaking stage 3 restrictions are still going to break the stage 4 restrictions...

Yep.
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Post by: tryagain on August 02, 2020, 07:27:53 PM
Last roll of the dice for Dan, no more 'stages' after this. The people that were breaking stage 3 restrictions are still going to break the stage 4 restrictions.

I think regular checks need to happen, then if you fail once it's off too mandatory quarantine run be the defence force.
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Post by: Bird on August 02, 2020, 07:34:37 PM
Quote from: D4D
The people that were breaking stage 3 restrictions are still going to break the stage 4 restrictions.

then lock them up.. once your positive, you goto some military jail...

IM over this Shit, as Jamie says - you they will still break the rules. -this is for the betterment of everyone, as it is you cant trust people
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Post by: Hairs on August 02, 2020, 07:53:47 PM
then lock them up.. once your positive, you goto some military jail...

IM over this Shit, as Jamie says - you they will still break the rules. -this is for the betterment of everyone, as it is you cant trust people
Have no problem with locking Shit heads up.

This, I have rights crap, what BS.

Only a few Years  ago Australia/Australians were thought of as the cool mob, now we are just as stupid as the rest of the world.
Snap out of it you farktards.
The only right you have, is to look out for each other.
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Post by: D4D on August 02, 2020, 07:57:46 PM
She got her 15 minutes of fame...
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/eve-black-conspiracy-theorist-who-breached-checkpoint-is-melbourne-topless-waitress-eden/news-story/4304380b3c6854b1aa5434cf97f72917 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/eve-black-conspiracy-theorist-who-breached-checkpoint-is-melbourne-topless-waitress-eden/news-story/4304380b3c6854b1aa5434cf97f72917)
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Post by: gronk on August 02, 2020, 08:26:02 PM
Feel sorry for the poor buggers in Vic and now NSW.  .

NSW on friday had 20 new cases....today 11 new cases...hopefully we have a handle on it.

Be proactive...stop Sydney people leaving Sydney....sometimes the earlier they enforce things the better. Victoria didn't....surely they should learn from past mistakes....???
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Post by: MarkGU on August 02, 2020, 08:39:05 PM
Way to go Anna Palletchook. She is quick to scorn other states.  >:(

https://www.facebook.com/rbttrafficupdate/photos/a.509321259218545/1732085456942113/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/rbttrafficupdate/photos/a.509321259218545/1732085456942113/?type=3&theater)
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Post by: #jonesy on August 02, 2020, 08:48:54 PM
Dosnt apply to regional areas on stage 3 only
Reefton is in Yarra ranges, which is lumped in with the metro area.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on August 02, 2020, 09:21:43 PM
NSW on friday had 20 new cases....today 11 new cases...hopefully we have a handle on it.

Be proactive...stop Sydney people leaving Sydney....sometimes the earlier they enforce things the better. Victoria didn't....surely they should learn from past mistakes....???

If people won't comply with the restrictions, it will get away.

There are just not enough resources to provide the enforcement necessary to effectively contain the spread via policing....

Too many selfish numbskulls that just don't get it.....

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on August 02, 2020, 09:36:00 PM


Too many selfish numbskulls that just don't get it.....
Unfortunately you are right mate.
:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on August 02, 2020, 10:20:26 PM
If people won't comply with the restrictions, it will get away.

There are just not enough resources to provide the enforcement necessary to effectively contain the spread via policing....

Too many selfish numbskulls that just don't get it.....



Dunno, I reckon a couple of lead aspro's would give the " it's my right" groups something to think about pretty quick
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: sharkcaver on August 02, 2020, 10:57:49 PM
If people won't comply with the restrictions, it will get away.

There are just not enough resources to provide the enforcement necessary to effectively contain the spread via policing....

Too many selfish numbskulls that just don't get it.....

Rule .303 anyone?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on August 03, 2020, 07:34:39 AM
Rule .303 anyone?

Possibly the most under utilised rule we should have. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on August 03, 2020, 07:53:32 AM
I think the whole of Vic should be on stage 4. Except maybe extend the 5km rule in rural ares. Prevention being better than the cure. Alot of us have been doing the right thing from the very start of this pandemic and all those sacrifises have been for little or nothing because of those self entitled f..k wits. People have lost jobs, bussinesses and livelyhoods and may never recover. This extended lockdown is killing people in more ways than just covid. Forced quarantine followed by jail time for non comformers. It's time to get tough.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on August 03, 2020, 08:02:33 AM
.......Forced quarantine followed by jail time for non conformers.....

Should have been doing that ^ from the start.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on August 03, 2020, 08:17:12 AM
Should have been doing that ^ from the start.

Dan did enforce quarantine for returning travellers, which is where the current infections have come from, but unlike other states Dan decided to use the lowest cost private contractors, and the rest is history. It's too far gone now and stage 4 won't stop it, the people who didn't follow the rules last time aren't suddenly going to follow the rules now. Look at the modelling from overseas, no country has been able to stop/slow it once it it widespread. We now get an out of control virus and a destroyed economic outlook.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on August 03, 2020, 08:32:49 AM
Expecting to see another outbreak in NSW, closer to home, now too  >:(
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-03/sydney-morning-briefing-monday-august-3/12516412 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-03/sydney-morning-briefing-monday-august-3/12516412)
And also Toronto Court House, which gets pretty busy too.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on August 03, 2020, 08:36:18 AM
It should also have been applied to all that returned a positive result, not just returning travellers.

Should have monitored all positive results while numbers were low enough.

Zero tolerance for those that didn't properly self-isolate....straight to forced quarantine.

Too late now.....

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on August 03, 2020, 08:39:32 AM
Better pray for an effective vaccine.

Without one, the lockdown will be all for nowt.

The virus will be waiting for us on the other side....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on August 03, 2020, 01:14:20 PM
Out of self isolation for the 3rd time now. Go to do the shopping. Short time out and found 3 morons.
1st one, no mask (cough cough). I have a condition (cough cough). I don't need to wear a mask (cough cough). BullShit I have to line up to get into the supermarket (cough cough). Supermarket is big enough for all of us (cough cough). We're all paying for this BLM, Black lives matters bullShit (cough cough). Don't think she seen the couple at the counter happened to be dark skinned, maybe she did. He turned around and looked but kept his cool. She was a small woman, obviously with a small brain and a small intelligence. Got dressed up to go out shopping in her tracky dacks  and her moccasins. Didn't notice if she had a smoke resting on her ear.
2nd and 3rd. Standing face to face, did have masks. 2nd, they told me I had to get tested, get up there now and get tested, so I've just got tested. 3rd, yes I've was told the same, I've just been.  Must be some reason for them both to be tested ASAP. But then after being tested both go shopping. All 3 were older people. This is not the first time I've seen this happening.
Fact not fiction.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 03, 2020, 01:51:26 PM
would this work?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on August 03, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
Received a message from a colleague, his neighbour was fined $200 for not wearing a mask when bringing his bins in this morning, this is in Mitcham VIC.

Seriously that is ridiculous.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on August 03, 2020, 02:32:12 PM
Queensland Gov has earned itself $5.2M in Corona virus fines so far.

Maybe now VIC Gov wants to go one better... ::)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on August 03, 2020, 02:47:47 PM
Received a message from a colleague, his neighbour was fined $200 for not wearing a mask when bringing his bins in this morning, this is in Mitcham VIC.

Seriously that is ridiculous.

Agree...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: MarkGU on August 03, 2020, 03:21:22 PM
Received a message from a colleague, his neighbour was fined $200 for not wearing a mask when bringing his bins in this morning, this is in Mitcham VIC.

Seriously that is ridiculous.
Fine for walking your bins out to the road with no mask yet the Qld government AND the NRL think that the 3000 people all sitting shoulder to shoulder is ok  ??? ???
Wonder what $$ are involved for letting the football go ahead between the government and the NRL?
https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSSC/videos/932780343900138/ (https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSSC/videos/932780343900138/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 03, 2020, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: D4D
Received a message from a colleague, his neighbour was fined $200 for not wearing a mask when bringing his bins in this morning, this is in Mitcham VIC.
Seriously that is ridiculous.

Funny you say that I had this uneasy feeling this morning walking from front door of house 4 steps across the deck, down 3 steps and 4 steps to the car door...

Victoria Police revealed 172 infringements had been issued in the past 24 hours to people who flouted the chief health officer's stay-at-home directives $1652 ea?

They gotta make back the millions somehow....

Then you read another story (there was another pokemon fool last week!!)

Coronavirus Victoria: Man fined for playing Pokémon Go under COVID-19 breach
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-victoria-man-fined-for-playing-pokemon-go-under-covid19-breach/a57bb8ce-9a7c-4f68-921d-e4f4c3d0e038 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-victoria-man-fined-for-playing-pokemon-go-under-covid19-breach/a57bb8ce-9a7c-4f68-921d-e4f4c3d0e038)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on August 03, 2020, 04:40:49 PM
Received a message from a colleague, his neighbour was fined $200 for not wearing a mask when bringing his bins in this morning, this is in Mitcham VIC.

Seriously that is ridiculous.
A Sheila had a whinge to Neil Mitchell on 3AW yesterday for the same thing, so he is not on his pat.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on August 03, 2020, 05:25:27 PM
Agree...

Rules are rules, you can’t have it both ways, whose to know who he may have met and had a discussion with at his fence.
Personally put him in a room with those big lipped b....es! That’ll teach him. ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on August 03, 2020, 05:32:20 PM
Rules are rules, you can’t have it both ways, whose to know who he may have met and had a discussion with at his fence.

You have highlighted well the stupidity of it. I can talk to my neighbour across the fence inside my boundary. Take 1 step outside my boundary and it is suddenly life threatening...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 03, 2020, 05:46:21 PM
Quote from: D4D
You have highlighted well the stupidity of it. I can talk to my neighbour across the fence inside my boundary. Take 1 step outside my boundary and it is suddenly life threatening...
There are so many situations like this... mind blowing. Thus lots of confusion.. Why have furniture stores and massive shopping centers been open all this time when its supposed to be only going out for work, food, exercise etc.

I agree with the 1 rule - just stop piss farting around and do it.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on August 03, 2020, 05:54:38 PM
There are so many situations like this... mind blowing. Thus lots of confusion.. Why have furniture stores and massive shopping centers been open all this time when its supposed to be only going out for work, food, exercise etc.

I agree with the 1 rule - just stop piss farting around and do it.
While there is no definite hard arse definition of the rules, f#$%ing idiots will do what ever they want.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on August 03, 2020, 07:50:11 PM
Team. at this time there are some hard times ahead, can we keep the thread on track and not attack anyone. I have just deleted a number of threads, sorry to those that have been effected.

On a serious note to all in Victoria, keep safe and as most of you are stay safe. Talk to your mates and loved ones and ride out the times. Times will be tough and some of us are going to be hit harder than others. Stay strong and all in all stay as safe as you can

 For those in other states, learn from Vic, i would encourage you to wear a mask when out in public, and also keep up the social distancing. Things are about to get really scary down here with the lockdown and closures of business.

Garrick.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on August 03, 2020, 08:39:22 PM


For those in other states, learn from Vic, i would encourage you to wear a mask when out in public, and also keep up the social distancing. Things are about to get really scary down here with the lockdown and closures of business.

Garrick.
Agree completely.
There is grest pain to come, even if 99% of people do the right thing.
We need 100% commitment from every one
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 03, 2020, 09:37:48 PM
Quote from: Hairs
We need 100% commitment from every one
I wish I believed that it could happen... but theres more chance of walking on the sun in double pluggers and speedos.

Theres still groups getting around now tht are arranging 'gatherings' of non-masking ****wits...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Rob Mac on August 03, 2020, 10:07:33 PM
Rule .303 anyone?
Yeah, commonly known as the "double tap" , unfortunately we cannot breed out stupidity. So it has to be isolated!!!.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: MarkGU on August 04, 2020, 03:49:45 PM
https://www.facebook.com/9NewsMelbourne/videos/1029671434132257/ (https://www.facebook.com/9NewsMelbourne/videos/1029671434132257/)

I have no words. >:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on August 04, 2020, 04:30:32 PM
Looks like people can be even dumber than we have experienced here.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/thousands-germans-protest-coronavirus-restrictions-200801161142837.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/thousands-germans-protest-coronavirus-restrictions-200801161142837.html)

Quote
But protesters on Saturday said those restrictions had trampled their rights. They whistled and called "freedom" and "resistance", with some shouting, "the biggest conspiracy theory is the coronavirus pandemic".

Others chanted "we are the second wave".

Few protesters wore a mask or respected the 1.5-metre (five-foot) physical distancing requirement, according to media reports, despite police calling on them via megaphone to do so.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on August 04, 2020, 04:44:19 PM
https://www.facebook.com/9NewsMelbourne/videos/1029671434132257/ (https://www.facebook.com/9NewsMelbourne/videos/1029671434132257/)

I have no words. >:(

Oh, it's getting better and better

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/victoria-police-concerned-sovereign-citizens-amid-mask-assault/12522332 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/victoria-police-concerned-sovereign-citizens-amid-mask-assault/12522332)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on August 04, 2020, 04:48:46 PM
Oh, it's getting better and better

Frankston, enough said...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on August 04, 2020, 05:29:46 PM
Frankston, enough said...
Carefull, I live near there, and Bird is even closer  >:D ;D
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Post by: Bird on August 04, 2020, 05:34:54 PM
Quote from: D4D
Frankston, enough said...
thats exactly what i said when I read it


You just wish you were walking past as it was happening and kick the bogan slut to the floor and leave it in a pile of broken bones. Im sure the cop chicks wouldnt have seen a thing for helping them.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 04, 2020, 05:39:55 PM
"Premier Daniel Andrews is introducing a fine of $4957 for people who have breached a requirement to be self-isolating for a 'second or subsequent time'"

Why such an odd number - why not 5000 ? LOL
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on August 04, 2020, 05:41:44 PM
Oh, it's getting better and better

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/victoria-police-concerned-sovereign-citizens-amid-mask-assault/12522332 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/victoria-police-concerned-sovereign-citizens-amid-mask-assault/12522332)
Once upon a time all coppers where 6'

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Post by: bmwfreak on August 04, 2020, 07:03:36 PM
Why such an odd number - why not 5000 ? LOL

GST?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: scrubber on August 04, 2020, 10:11:54 PM
"Premier Daniel Andrews is introducing a fine of $4957 for people who have breached a requirement to be self-isolating for a 'second or subsequent time'"

Why such an odd number - why not 5000 ? LOL
All to with penalty units which are currently valued at $165.22 in Victoria.  I am assuming that the offence carries 30 penalty units

(post cleaned up by a Victorian Mod, watch your step or you may not be on the forum much longer  :police:)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 05, 2020, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: Kangaron
Once upon a time all coppers where 6'

once upon a time people respected cops and were afraid to back chat or spit on them or ram their cars or....
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Post by: Bigfish on August 05, 2020, 11:25:45 AM
once upon a time people respected cops and were afraid to back chat or spit on them or ram their cars or....

And yet all these Shit for brain dolts run straight to a cop station if they are robbed, beaten or abused.... >:D

I just keep forgetting that we live in the age of entitlement!!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on August 05, 2020, 12:40:01 PM
once upon a time people respected cops and were afraid to back chat or spit on them or ram their cars or....
Too many young coppers think the uniform will protect them, but in reality it is a magnet for a punch in the mouth.
What on earth were 2 police women doing working together?

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 05, 2020, 12:48:26 PM
Todays score:

Premier announces 725 new cases, 15 more deaths including man in his 30s
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on August 05, 2020, 12:53:12 PM
Too many young coppers think the uniform will protect them, but in reality it is a magnet for a punch in the mouth.
What on earth were 2 police women doing working together?

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There is the issue, you can’t discriminate, if women wish to be police officers they need to be able to protect themselves wherever possible. I would imagine most coppers would be a little “gun shy” at the moment due to the constant social media atttention. I say they should be able to use whatever force is “necessary” male or female.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 05, 2020, 03:04:13 PM
Anyone in Vic tht needs to travel for work - the permit instructions and rules re here

https://www.vic.gov.au/worker-permit-scheme (https://www.vic.gov.au/worker-permit-scheme)

form here
https://www.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-08/Permitted-worker-permit.docx (https://www.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-08/Permitted-worker-permit.docx)
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Post by: Hairs on August 05, 2020, 04:40:22 PM


There is the issue, you can’t discriminate, if women wish to be police officers they need to be able to protect themselves wherever possible. I would imagine most coppers would be a little “gun shy” at the moment due to the constant social media atttention. I say they should be able to use whatever force is “necessary” male or female.

Some of the young constables(male) I've seen of late(NSW), I reckon they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
They are small in stature, look like they haven't shaved yet.
It all changed in NSW when it was changed from A Police Force to a Police Service.
Just my 2 bobs worth. :)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on August 05, 2020, 06:04:30 PM

Some of the young constables(male) I've seen of late(NSW), I reckon they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
They are small in stature, look like they haven't shaved yet.
It all changed in NSW when it was changed from A Police Force to a Police Service.
Just my 2 bobs worth. :)
Agree wholeheartedly, have seen exactly the same thing happen in SA, my brother a serving member of 40 plus years couldn’t believe the standard of some recruits before he retired.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on August 05, 2020, 06:19:43 PM
Agree wholeheartedly, have seen exactly the same thing happen in SA, my brother a serving member of 40 plus years couldn’t believe the standard of some recruits before he retired.
Please, I hope I don't offend serving members,.
They have committed to protecting us, I would not do their job for quids. If I did, I would be facing disciplinary act in the first 24 hours.
I'm all for equality, just that some  jobs, positions are not for everyone.
Yes, I respect the uniform, always will.
Going by what has been posted on social media & in the news, it is there for everyone to see that many others don't.
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Post by: Bigfish on August 05, 2020, 06:39:15 PM
Our borders are now shut (very soon) to Vics and NSW,s people. Good thing.  Its not about abandoning the southerners...its about keeping this bloody virus under control. Qld tourism is gunna take a big hit...just another casualty.  Hopefully Vic can get their numbers down. Must be gut wrenching for anyone down there.


Hope all the people stay safe, keep well and get through these extraordinary times with good health and not too badly off financially.  EVERYONE is going to feel this for a few years to come. Got kids and grandkids in Vic as well as family in Melbourne.   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on August 05, 2020, 06:42:49 PM
Our borders are now shut (very soon) to Vics and NSW,s people. Good thing.  Its not about abandoning the southerners...its about keeping this bloody virus under control. Qld tourism is gunna take a big hit...just another casualty.  Hopefully Vic can get their numbers down. Must be gut wrenching for anyone down there.


Hope all the people stay safe, keep well and get through these extraordinary times with good health and not too badly off financially.  EVERYONE is going to feel this for a few years to come. Got kids and grandkids in Vic as well as family in Melbourne.
You're so right.
Take care Swaggers.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on August 05, 2020, 09:14:24 PM
Our borders are now shut (very soon) to Vics and NSW,s people. Good thing.  Its not about abandoning the southerners...its about keeping this bloody virus under control. Qld tourism is gunna take a big hit...just another casualty.  Hopefully Vic can get their numbers down. Must be gut wrenching for anyone down there.


Hope all the people stay safe, keep well and get through these extraordinary times with good health and not too badly off financially.  EVERYONE is going to feel this for a few years to come. Got kids and grandkids in Vic as well as family in Melbourne.

I got my mother in law slowly dying in Taree and I want to get up to see my Dad in the Redland Bay area.   He tells me to look after my Bride and help her and her family as he is doing okay at present. 

I can appreciate closing the border to those in hot spots but there is a lot of NSW that is not a hot spot, areas that have no cases of COVID 19.   That's the bit that annoys me.   I don't want to tour, just go and see my old man as he hasn't seen family for the past several months and my mother in law has to try dying the middle of it. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on August 05, 2020, 09:51:19 PM
I got my mother in law slowly dying in Taree and I want to get up to see my Dad in the Redland Bay area.   He tells me to look after my Bride and help her and her family as he is doing okay at present. 

I can appreciate closing the border to those in hot spots but there is a lot of NSW that is not a hot spot, areas that have no cases of COVID 19.   That's the bit that annoys me.   I don't want to tour, just go and see my old man as he hasn't seen family for the past several months and my mother in law has to try dying the middle of it.

Alnjan with your inability to get to see your dad due to border controls, if you want or need anything done for the old dad , sing out, I’m sure I or other swaggers from Brisbane area could help you out.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on August 05, 2020, 10:04:09 PM
Alnjan with your inability to get to see your dad due to border controls, if you want or need anything done for the old dad , sing out, I’m sure I or other swaggers from Brisbane area could help you out.

Thanks mate, have a sister in law living in the Brisbane area, she is currently with the Bride being with their Mum and help their Dad.   She has to cut her time with their Mum to get back home before having to pay a couple of grand to isolate somewhere after Friday. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 06, 2020, 12:12:05 PM
Winning?

Victoria is expected to record 471 new coronavirus cases today.  :cup: thats a tad better than 725!
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Post by: Kangaron on August 06, 2020, 12:54:43 PM
Gov modelling has Vic peaking in the last week of August @ 1100 per day for 8/10 days

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Post by: xcvator on August 06, 2020, 01:31:23 PM
Gov modelling has Vic peaking in the last week of August @ 1100 per day for 8/10 days

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Modelling, yep, just keep puting in different numbers untill you get the answer you want
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Post by: Kangaron on August 06, 2020, 01:57:17 PM
I don't think they were the numbers they wanted.

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Post by: Bird on August 06, 2020, 02:02:22 PM
I don't think they were the numbers they wanted.
:cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: moeite on August 06, 2020, 03:05:25 PM
Dan did enforce quarantine for returning travellers, which is where the current infections have come from, but unlike other states Dan decided to use the lowest cost private contractors, and the rest is history. It's too far gone now and stage 4 won't stop it, the people who didn't follow the rules last time aren't suddenly going to follow the rules now. Look at the modelling from overseas, no country has been able to stop/slow it once it it widespread. We now get an out of control virus and a destroyed economic outlook.

It's a bit unfair to lay the blame at Dan's feet.

The security company's contract stated that they would provide training and PPE which they patently didn't. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/coronavirus-victoria-hotel-quarantine-security-contract/12503466 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/coronavirus-victoria-hotel-quarantine-security-contract/12503466)
Yes, there should have been more oversight by the federal govt and state govts.

Quarantine and border control are both federal government responsibilities which they sidestepped by just leaving the Ruby Princess up to the NSW govt and by leaving the quarantine problem up to Vic. Aged care is another problem that is a federal govt responsibility that is being left up to the states to manage.

All three episodes mixed with a degree of community wilful idiocy have contributed mightily to the COVID-19 numbers that we are seeing today. Just this morning while I was on my way to a doctors appt. masks were only being used by a minority of people that I saw in the street. (( Maybe the majority around here are "Sovereign Citizens" who the rules don't apply to. ))

Yes sure, Dan has made mistakes but he has no textbook (no one has) and the majority of the mistakes are only seen with the benefit of hindsight. I believe that if the Prime Minister had shown half the leadership of our various state Premiers and if he had accepted responsibility for aged care, quarantine and border control we'd be a lot better off.
Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on August 06, 2020, 03:59:02 PM
I don't think they were the numbers they wanted.
Hope for the best.
Plan for the worst.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on August 06, 2020, 04:09:15 PM
It's a bit unfair to lay the blame at Dan's feet.

The security company's contract stated that they would provide training and PPE which they patently didn't. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/coronavirus-victoria-hotel-quarantine-security-contract/12503466 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/coronavirus-victoria-hotel-quarantine-security-contract/12503466)
Yes, there should have been more oversight by the federal govt and state govts.

Quarantine and border control are both federal government responsibilities which they sidestepped by just leaving the Ruby Princess up to the NSW govt and by leaving the quarantine problem up to Vic. Aged care is another problem that is a federal govt responsibility that is being left up to the states to manage.

All three episodes mixed with a degree of community wilful idiocy have contributed mightily to the COVID-19 numbers that we are seeing today. Just this morning while I was on my way to a doctors appt. masks were only being used by a minority of people that I saw in the street. (( Maybe the majority around here are "Sovereign Citizens" who the rules don't apply to. ))

Yes sure, Dan has made mistakes but he has no textbook (no one has) and the majority of the mistakes are only seen with the benefit of hindsight. I believe that if the Prime Minister had shown half the leadership of our various state Premiers and if he had accepted responsibility for aged care, quarantine and border control we'd be a lot better off.
Not to mention that the exact same private security company that was engaged to look after the VIC quarantine hotels, is currently engaged in many FEDERAL security contacts. Including providing security at some of Australia’s largest defense bases.

But these facts don’t suit some people’s agenda.... ::)

Bit like how Anastasia single handily destroyed the Australian economy when she closed our borders, but Gladys saved 1,000s of lives when she closed her borders.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on August 06, 2020, 04:10:27 PM
Jayco factory now linked to at least 18 cases

At least 18 cases are now linked to an outbreak of COVID-19 at a Jayco factory in Melbourne's south-east.

More than 200 employees of the caravan maker have been tested after the first positive case was recorded at its Dandenong facility on July 30.

Jayco said it had closed the workplace, conducted deep cleaning and informed WorkSafe after learning of the positive test.

The factory and office will remain closed in line with the state government's stage four restrictions on workplaces.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 06, 2020, 04:17:19 PM
Quote from: moeite
Yes sure, Dan has made mistakes but he has no textbook (no one has) and the majority of the mistakes are only seen with the benefit of hindsight.
Bingo.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on August 06, 2020, 04:27:30 PM
Yes sure, Dan has made mistakes but he has no textbook (no one has) and the majority of the mistakes are only seen with the benefit of hindsight.

You don't need hindsight to see contracting specialist quarantine work to a private lowest cost security firm vs. engaging public sector health professionals such as other states did was going to be a cluster.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on August 06, 2020, 04:48:26 PM
Yes sure, Dan has made mistakes but he has no textbook (no one has) and the majority of the mistakes are only seen with the benefit of hindsight.

And it cannot be said that the guy on the other side of the fence could have , would have or would be doing anything better or worse than Dan and his crew, though some people cannot or will not see past their own narrow vision of their political belief. It is all an unknown and will stay an unknown. Pretty easy to say I would have done it this way, after the fact. Let the other side come out and say this is what and how we would be doing it, put it on the record before the event, then bitch about Dan if what he does doesn't go well and the other way might have.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 06, 2020, 04:55:40 PM
He's looking buggered on TV, this will be massive toll on his mental health.

To be honest,i hope he fairs ok.... under a ton of pressure, people have necked themselves for much less.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on August 06, 2020, 05:01:40 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if by the time this is under control and kept under control there will be a few neck themselves.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 06, 2020, 05:03:34 PM
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on August 06, 2020, 09:04:38 PM
Have said it before, there seems to be an inconsistency between people who want to call either Dan or Gladys to account over the Hotel security and the Cruise ship outbreaks.
There is going to be mistakes made at a time like this, but I don't think when we are in the thick of trying to deal with it is the right time for muckraking. Have never been a fan of Dan, but he seems like he is being open and honest lately  in the press briefings, (doesn't seem to have the energy left to play politics) can't fault him from that perspective. Jenny Mikakos the health minister from Vic on the other hand though seems to not  have got the memo about actually being constructive.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on August 06, 2020, 09:08:08 PM
Have said it before, there seems to be an inconsistency between people who want to call either Dan or Gladys to account over the Hotel security and the Cruise ship outbreaks.
There is going to be mistakes made at a time like this, but I don't think when we are in the thick of trying to deal with it is the right time for muckraking. Have never been a fan of Dan, but he seems like he is being open and honest lately  in the press briefings, (doesn't seem to have the energy left to play politics) can't fault him from that perspective. Jenny Mikakos the health minister from Vic on the other hand though seems to not  have got the memo about actually being constructive.
Bigears was like a fish out of water today after he was told he had to answer questions and not hide behind  an enquiry
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on August 07, 2020, 07:17:55 AM
Not wanting to politicise the pandemic response at all, just an observation. But all of the elected leaders appear to be looking fairly punch-drunk lately. Be buggered if I'd want to be in their shoes.
There is no precedence to have learned from in recent history on how to respond to this pandemic, no policy or guidelines to refer to, no-one that has been through it before. Every person on the planet seems to be at risk and our elected leaders (of all persuasions) are having to respond in a fairly urgent manner to an ever evolving situation based on the advice of the recognised experts it the relevant fields, all the time trying to fairly balance the greater good V's the greater want.. Today's response may not suit tomorrows circumstances, yet they all get bashed from the sidelines with every move they make. No matter what moves our elected leaders make, they are subjected to "trial by social media". No matter what expert opinion or advice they receive, everyone with a differing view goes and finds a new expert to contradict them. In the early days of this there appeared to be a  reasonably unified approach to dealing with the situation, but now it's like we are 2 weeks from an election and everyone in opposition (all flavours) are just trying to point score and make the other one look as bad as they can, often without offering up a viable alternative.

anyway, sorry to head off topic, normal viewing can resume now..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on August 07, 2020, 08:13:05 AM
Not wanting to politicise the pandemic response at all, just an observation. But all of the elected leaders appear to be looking fairly punch-drunk lately. Be buggered if I'd want to be in their shoes.
There is no precedence to have learned from in recent history on how to respond to this pandemic, no policy or guidelines to refer to, no-one that has been through it before. Every person on the planet seems to be at risk and our elected leaders (of all persuasions) are having to respond in a fairly urgent manner to an ever evolving situation based on the advice of the recognised experts it the relevant fields, all the time trying to fairly balance the greater good V's the greater want.. Today's response may not suit tomorrows circumstances, yet they all get bashed from the sidelines with every move they make. No matter what moves our elected leaders make, they are subjected to "trial by social media". No matter what expert opinion or advice they receive, everyone with a differing view goes and finds a new expert to contradict them. In the early days of this there appeared to be a  reasonably unified approach to dealing with the situation, but now it's like we are 2 weeks from an election and everyone in opposition (all flavours) are just trying to point score and make the other one look as bad as they can, often without offering up a viable alternative.

anyway, sorry to head off topic, normal viewing can resume now..

Well said, wouldn’t want to be in their shoes at the moment, it’s a poisoned chalice.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bmwfreak on August 07, 2020, 08:49:43 AM
without offering up a viable alternative.

This has been the case in many situations in Australian politics for the 30 years, with the opposition party criticising and backstabbing, but not proposing a solution, whether it is a viable one or not.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on August 07, 2020, 09:58:35 AM
Case in point(and lets not debate it here)
The stimulus package from GFC days is small compared to this one, yet the hypocrisy in standards when YOU are responsible is glaringly obvious. Its easy to stand on the side lines and throw rocks.
If you've got nothing positive to contribute, well, dont contribute I reckon.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on August 07, 2020, 10:35:46 AM
I'm not sure why my comments have been seen as political, it's basic common sense. Contracting specialist health/quarantine work to a private lowest cost security firm vs. engaging public sector health professionals such as other states did was always going to end in tears. Yes the contracts did push the risk/responsibility from the Government to the contractor, but outsourcing something as critical as health/quarantine when the Government had the knowledge/learnings from other countries was a ridiculous decision.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 07, 2020, 10:39:15 AM
These "freedom protesters" should get 12 mths jail each and be prevented from breeding..

Quote
Victoria expected to record more than 450 cases;  Arrests over planned Melbourne 'freedom' protest



Almost 200 fines were handed out in the past day in Victoria to people flouting coronavirus restrictions, of which a quarter were issued to those not wearing a face mask.

Victoria Police issued a total of 196 fines on Thursday - the most infringements issued in a 24-hour period since the second lockdown began in early July.

Fifty-one infringements were issued to people not wearing a face covering for one of the approved reasons, 43 were for curfew breaches and nine were at vehicle checkpoints.
Examples of some of the fines included:

    A man breaching curfew at 3.40am in Maroondah who told police he was out to feed his uncle’s horses.
    A man buying cigarettes in an adjacent suburb to his home after curfew at 9.30pm. A knife was also located in the car.
    A man and woman who drove from Fawkner to Dallas at 9.30pm to get a pizza as the pizza shop wouldn’t deliver.
    A man detected speeding in Whittlesea at 10pm. He was 14 kilometres from his home address and did not have a permitted reason to travel during curfew.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on August 07, 2020, 11:32:24 AM
I'm not a health worker, I'm not a security worker. But I have enough sense and brains to know what the word quarantine means, why people were being put into it, how and what I should be doing to handle it if it was a job given to me. I have no more training other than a first aid cetificate, but still would be asking for and wearing disposable gowns, gloves, face masks and even glasses. Quarantine doesn't mean you let them come out of their room to have a walk around the streets, have a smoke, take them shopping, go into their room to give it to them cause they're horny,  have drinks with them. No doubt training should have been given. Protective  clothing should have been supplied ,from the very beginning. But would all this made any difference  when your giving it to someone that thinks and acts from the head that's in his underpants.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 07, 2020, 11:42:10 AM
who'd be a cop....

7news.com.au/news/vic/dramatic-footage-shows-victoria-police-handcuff-woman-for-covid-breach-in-melbourne-c-1221775 (http://7news.com.au/news/vic/dramatic-footage-shows-victoria-police-handcuff-woman-for-covid-breach-in-melbourne-c-1221775)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 07, 2020, 01:01:14 PM
If I was a cop, the way to handle it.

On ya way back to the police station.....
1st cop yells at the driver..... KID ON A PUSH BIKE.
2nd cop, the driver, makes a very sudden, very severe swerve with the paddy wagon.
Passenger, a non mask wearing retard, gets the fukk slammed out of her or him inside the wagon.

Driver says to 1st cop, where the hell did he come from.
Passenger cop says, where the hell has he gone.

Both cops go Shit.... and run and check on passenger and check their injuries.

I'd do it with every retard they book, the Karen's, the Eve Blacks..... the lot of 'em.

Bloody kids on pushbikes.....  ;D

The whole lot recorded on body cam.....  :angel:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 07, 2020, 01:10:40 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers
I'd do it with every retard they book, the Karen's, the Eve Blacks..... the lot of 'em.
while singing the karen song (https://www.facebook.com/jayparrinomusic/videos/312627366599396/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on August 07, 2020, 08:19:32 PM
If I was a cop, the way to handle it.

On ya way back to the police station.....
1st cop yells at the driver..... KID ON A PUSH BIKE.
2nd cop, the driver, makes a very sudden, very severe swerve with the paddy wagon.
Passenger, a non mask wearing retard, gets the fukk slammed out of her or him inside the wagon.

Driver says to 1st cop, where the hell did he come from.
Passenger cop says, where the hell has he gone.

Both cops go Shit.... and run and check on passenger and check their injuries.

I'd do it with every retard they book, the Karen's, the Eve Blacks..... the lot of 'em.

Bloody kids on pushbikes.....  ;D

The whole lot recorded on body cam.....  :angel:

This is what happened in the old days...everyone knew if you were a fu*ktard, you'd get a "nice" ride back to the station.
That's if you didn't get a touch up before you were thrown in the back of the paddywagon as well... ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on August 07, 2020, 08:23:50 PM
This is what happened in the old days...everyone knew if you were a fu*ktard, you'd get a "nice" ride back to the station.
That's if you didn't get a touch up before you were thrown in the back of the paddywagon as well... ;D ;D
Thems were the dsys.
Simples.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on August 07, 2020, 08:28:41 PM
...or you were told to go home...but you were told to go the LOOOOONG way....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on August 07, 2020, 09:57:38 PM
This is what happened in the old days...everyone knew if you were a fu*ktard, you'd get a "nice" ride back to the station.
That's if you didn't get a touch up before you were thrown in the back of the paddywagon as well... ;D ;D

Or you just took them further out of town
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on August 08, 2020, 07:33:38 AM
Thems were the dsys.
Simples.


And the bastards knew all the bush tracks as well...even though the bitumen was a quicker way back to the lockup!!!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on August 08, 2020, 10:40:47 AM
I do know someone that cheauffeured around for a few hours once, as a guest in the back of a bull wagon..
The message was reinforced that one shalt not  drag race on the streets .. Especialy when there is a Police car right behind you ..  ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on August 08, 2020, 10:47:42 AM
who'd be a cop....

7news.com.au/news/vic/dramatic-footage-shows-victoria-police-handcuff-woman-for-covid-breach-in-melbourne-c-1221775 (http://7news.com.au/news/vic/dramatic-footage-shows-victoria-police-handcuff-woman-for-covid-breach-in-melbourne-c-1221775)



Could always have it as the Brazillians are .. the cops cant / wont control the people so the Crime gangs are stepping up ..



   
 "  Stay home or else. "

It was a stark warning to the residents of Brazil’s densely populated slums — but not one delivered by federal government, health officials or even state police.

With president Jair Bolsonaro dismissing the pandemic as “sniffles” and criticising regional lockdown measures, the country’s drug gangs and paramilitary groups have stepped in to enforce social distancing to combat the spread of coronavirus.

“Whoever is caught on the street will learn how to respect the measure. We want the best for the population. If the government is unable to manage, organised crime resolves,” read one message sent to residents of a Rio de Janeiro slum.

Another message, delivered to residents of a different slum, read: “We are on the streets taking risks so that you can sleep in peace, we leave our families to protect yours, so, then respect the order we have given.” It warned that for anyone caught on the street after 10pm, “it will be bad!”..

A few publicised interactions with groups of motorcycle enthusiests, should be enough of a deterent to alter peoples ways of thinking ..
As it stands some sections of the public are  not worried about anything the Blue or the laws are doing to enforce the lockdown . .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 08, 2020, 11:28:07 AM

Could always have it as the Brazillians are .. the cops cant / wont control the people so the Crime gangs are stepping up ..
works for me.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 08, 2020, 11:34:46 AM
Wonder if ti was the Apen people again

Mount Buller has closed its ski fields to visitors, amid rumours that well-heeled Melburnians were flocking to the mountain - sometimes in chartered helicopters - despite travel bans.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: lukeycat on August 09, 2020, 12:25:40 PM
Wonder if ti was the Apen people again

Mount Buller has closed its ski fields to visitors, amid rumours that well-heeled Melburnians were flocking to the mountain - sometimes in chartered helicopters - despite travel bans.
Very true bloke I know is a ski instructor at Buller and he packed up and headed back to NSW about twenty minutes before the hotel quarantine kicked in (he still has to isolate at home). He said the amount of rich morons from Melbourne was insane the carpark was full of the usual high end suvs with melbourne football club member stickers on the back of them.


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hoyks on August 09, 2020, 03:21:31 PM
who'd be a cop....


Yeah, dealing with the crappy 5% of society, entitled fools and people on the worst days of their lives would certainly colour your opinion of society as a whole.
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Post by: Moggy on August 09, 2020, 06:30:08 PM
"Premier Daniel Andrews is introducing a fine of $4957 for people who have breached a requirement to be self-isolating for a 'second or subsequent time'"

Why such an odd number - why not 5000 ? LOL
Might use an Excel random number generator spreadsheet

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Post by: austastar on August 09, 2020, 08:16:38 PM
Hi,
   It is a multiplication of a point unit cost times a set number of unit points penalty for the offence.
It is easier to raise the $/unit point every so often rather than sort out the costs of each offence on the books.
Cheers



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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 10, 2020, 07:59:35 AM
Not sure if this is true.....

QANTAS are bringing in a separate section on planes for anti mask wearers.

If the planes suffers decompression, masks won't drop in their section, as that would offend their rights.

Like I said, may not be true.....  ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on August 10, 2020, 08:02:29 AM
Might use an Excel random number generator spreadsheet

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Fines are a waste of time..Dont pay and bugger all happens. You have to introduce a penalty that will make them think twice! First time you are caught out then you are placed in automatic quarantine for 2 weeks  in a govt/state facility...its called a jail.  Second time you get quarantine for 8 weeks.

Do it a third time and think a small lead pill to the ear may be in order!!!

Why should our communities be held to ransom by idiots and arseholes who dont give a f@#$!...

Qld figures are good...no new cases for 8 days.  I,ll be happy when Vic and NSW can get their figures right down. Long, long way to go yet and unfortunately we rely on everyone being responsible. Stay safe, stay clean and stay positive...we will work our way through this mess and hopefully come out a lot stronger as a nation and as people...good to see governments investing more in mental health.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on August 10, 2020, 08:04:13 AM
Not sure if this is true.....

QANTAS are bringing in a separate section on planes for anti mask wearers.

If the planes suffers decompression, masks won't drop in their section, as that would offend their rights.

Like I said, may not be true.....  ;D

Probably better if instead of a mask dropping...their seat drops out of the fuselage and they dont have their rights infringed.
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Post by: Beachman on August 10, 2020, 08:44:19 AM
This is what happened in the old days...everyone knew if you were a fu*ktard, you'd get a "nice" ride back to the station.
That's if you didn't get a touch up before you were thrown in the back of the paddywagon as well... ;D ;D

A guy at work was a constable in Kings Cross 40 years ago and for whatever reason he was out by himself and stumbled across 6 drunk guys bashing someone. Called for back-up but no one was available, but in the boot of his car were spare handcuffs.

So he handcuffed them together and made them walk/jog in front of his car for a couple of Kms back to the station.

As he says that would be instant dismissal in today’s world.
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Post by: Bird on August 10, 2020, 10:39:50 AM
Another 19 Victorians have lost their lives to COVID-19, with the state recording 322 new cases today. It comes after 17 deaths were recorded on Sunday, on what was deemed the state's deadliest day of the pandemic.
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Post by: tryagain on August 10, 2020, 10:55:21 AM
I think Joe Hilderbrand nails it again https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/joe-hildebrand-dan-andrews-resigning-would-make-victorias-virus-crisis-worse/news-story/b835003ac209c0f118d2e8df84056784 (https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/joe-hildebrand-dan-andrews-resigning-would-make-victorias-virus-crisis-worse/news-story/b835003ac209c0f118d2e8df84056784)
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Post by: D4D on August 10, 2020, 11:02:44 AM
I think Joe Hilderbrand nails it again

I read that on the weekend, I like this paragraph.

By now such measures may well be necessary and inevitable but let us not forget that this is a crude, cruel and blunt approach which has only been needed because almost every level of Victoria’s government failed to do the most basic things that every other jurisdiction has managed without fuss or fervour: Managing people in quarantine, tracking cases, isolating the sick and keeping the public informed and on side. No horde of historical revisionists can erase that inalterable fact.

I also agree with him that who else do we know in the current government who could do the job any better...
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Post by: gronk on August 10, 2020, 03:11:44 PM


I also agree with him that who else do we know in the current government who could do the job any better...

And during this pandemic, even the opposition in each state has generally kept their mouths shut, which points to a united front from all sides of politics and an admission that they probably couldn't do better, or they can't see a need to "bash" whoever is in power.

When this is all over, don't worry, it'll be on for young and old....the blame game for political points ....but they all realise this isn't the time.
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Post by: jclures on August 10, 2020, 03:41:37 PM
And during this pandemic, even the opposition in each state has generally kept their mouths shut, which points to a united front from all sides of politics and an admission that they probably couldn't do better, or they can't see a need to "bash" whoever is in power.

When this is all over, don't worry, it'll be on for young and old....the blame game for political points ....but they all realise this isn't the time.

I would not say that about the Queensland Opposition.
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Post by: plusnq on August 10, 2020, 03:44:21 PM
I would not say that about the Queensland Opposition.

Opposition......what Opposition ? 😂😂😂😂
They’re too busy shooting themselves in the foot in the lead up to another election.
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Post by: Bigfish on August 10, 2020, 05:37:28 PM
Opposition......what Opposition ? 😂😂😂😂
They’re too busy shooting themselves in the foot in the lead up to another election.

I think our leader has done a good job.  Sick and tired of the same old ranting bullShit from whoever is in opposition..  The amount of scandals from council to federal govt just proves that the vast majority are only in it for themselves..
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Post by: Pete79 on August 10, 2020, 06:20:03 PM
And during this pandemic, even the opposition in each state has generally kept their mouths shut, which points to a united front from all sides of politics and an admission that they probably couldn't do better, or they can't see a need to "bash" whoever is in power.

When this is all over, don't worry, it'll be on for young and old....the blame game for political points ....but they all realise this isn't the time.
The level of control shown by all sides of politics during this crisis has been very impressive.
I think they are all acutely aware that the public will not tolerate any sniff of cheap point scoring at this moment in time.

But even with the unified effort of avoiding public mud slinging, the typical deflection of blame and shirking of responsibility is still as strong as ever... ::)

 https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/10/scott-morrison-gives-masterclass-in-political-malleability-over-aged-care-covid-deaths (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/10/scott-morrison-gives-masterclass-in-political-malleability-over-aged-care-covid-deaths)

 https://theconversation.com/federal-departments-had-no-specific-covid-plan-for-aged-care-royal-commission-counsel-144204 (https://theconversation.com/federal-departments-had-no-specific-covid-plan-for-aged-care-royal-commission-counsel-144204)
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Post by: Bird on August 11, 2020, 10:41:05 AM
-- Victoria has recorded 19 coronavirus-related deaths for the second consecutive day and 331 new cases. There are hopes the state's coronavirus case numbers are finally stabilising after a month of rapid escalation, but Victorians have been warned to brace for more deaths.

-- Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton are among the first witnesses listed to appear before a public accounts and estimates committee today, where they will be quizzed over the government's coronavirus response.

-- NSW has recorded 22 new cases of COVID-19, with eight linked to a growing school cluster. Tangara School for Girls, at Cherrybrook in Sydney's north-west, is emerging as a coronavirus hotspot

-- The aged care royal commission is set to hear evidence revealing mistakes by the Health Department and the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission as coronavirus cases surged in nursing homes.

-- Nearly 20 million coronavirus cases have been confirmed worldwide, with more than 732,000 deaths, according to the tally by Johns Hopkins University. More than 12.1 million people have recovered from the virus.




Edit: This isnt good news....


Northern Territory may not reopen to Melbourne and Sydney for 18 months
By Mary Ward

The Northern Territory's tourism ads might still be playing on your TV, but Chief Minister Michael Gunner has said people from large cities with coronavirus outbreaks such as Melbourne and Sydney may not be able to visit for 18 months.

Speaking on ABC television about his territory's border controls, which forces permitted arrivals from "hotspot areas" to complete 14 days of paid quarantine before being allowed to visit, Mr Gunner said his government was "much more likely to add spots than remove them".

"We have got an indefinite ban on Victoria, and Sydney keeps bubbling away to a point to I can't give you a date where that would ever lift," he said.
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Post by: Beachman on August 11, 2020, 01:00:10 PM
I was lucky enough to get to listen to a Epidemiologist give a presentation about COVID and this is a snippet

I always thought COVID was a respiratory disease which is wrong. It’s actually a Vascular disease which courses problems with your blood vessels and most common is the blood vessels in your lungs which is why patients have trouble breathing.

A recent study of Australians who have had COVID - 3 months after being given the all clear  80% people who were hospitalized and 10% who weren't hospitalized are still experiencing symptoms of fatigue, chest discomfort, shortness of breath and Brain fog. They predict for some, these symptoms may be permanent.

When they do find a Vaccine, it might take years for the drug companies to make enough for the whole world to use.

I have a feeling we will continue to feel the flow on effect of this for many years even if they do find a Vaccine.

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Post by: Hoyks on August 11, 2020, 04:58:51 PM
This one is a bit of a worry, survive COVID, but get early onset dementia.

https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-might-increase-the-risk-of-memory-loss-and-cognitive-decline (https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-might-increase-the-risk-of-memory-loss-and-cognitive-decline)
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Post by: Bird on August 11, 2020, 05:02:07 PM
This one is a bit of a worry, survive COVID, but get early onset dementia.

https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-might-increase-the-risk-of-memory-loss-and-cognitive-decline (https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-might-increase-the-risk-of-memory-loss-and-cognitive-decline)
there was a lady on radio this morning talking about her weeks in ICU and recovery from it, she has lost part movement in her left side, dizzy spells, and all sorts of side effects, which she has been told maybe permanent...
so much unknown
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 11, 2020, 05:20:57 PM
Life for today..... tomorrow doesn't always turn out as good as it could.
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Post by: NZMarkb on August 12, 2020, 04:24:18 AM
Well here we go again
NZ being sent in to panic again, rush buying gin supermarkets overnight
What is with the toilet paper thing  >:(
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Post by: Bird on August 12, 2020, 09:01:51 AM
todays score: 410 new cases - 21 deaths :(
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Post by: bmwfreak on August 12, 2020, 09:06:15 AM
What is with the toilet paper thing  >:(

People with $hit for brains need to stockpile ??? ???
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Post by: Bigfish on August 12, 2020, 05:19:49 PM
People with $hit for brains need to stockpile ??? ???

That would be the only r sensible reason.....
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Post by: Bird on August 12, 2020, 05:33:01 PM
Quote from: NZMarkb
What is with the toilet paper thing  >:(

went to local shell/coles servo earlier, they had about 100 x 10packs of Shit tickets... bought 2.
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Post by: Hairs on August 12, 2020, 05:36:58 PM
So, Russia has developed a vaccine for Covid.
Hmmm
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 12, 2020, 05:38:19 PM
Quote from: Hairs
So, Russia has developed a vaccine for Covid.
Hmmm

Vat 83 - Chernobyl Flavour.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on August 12, 2020, 05:42:37 PM
Vat 83 - Chernobyl Flavour.
Dodgy as F÷=+.
Puttin's daughter is the test Rat.
FFS.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 12, 2020, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: Hairs
Dodgy as F÷=+.
straight from the Lada factory.. what could go wrong ???


Quote
Puttin's daughter is the test Rat.
FFS.
so they say. if they did that, the scientist would wanna be certain it worked or he'd get the Sergei and Yulia Skripal treatment
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Post by: Hairs on August 12, 2020, 06:08:29 PM
straight from the Lada factory.. what could go wrong ???

so they say. if they did that, the scientist would wanna be certain it worked or he'd get the Sergei and Yulia Skripal treatment
Ahaha,
Maybe she's Stunt Double.
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Post by: Bird on August 13, 2020, 09:47:19 AM
Todays Score : 278  :cup: thats a touch better....
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Post by: D4D on August 13, 2020, 10:21:04 AM
Maybe time for a rural escape, that's not a shed, this is a shed...
https://www.realestate.com.au/property-acreage+semi-rural-nsw-wilberforce-134136526 (https://www.realestate.com.au/property-acreage+semi-rural-nsw-wilberforce-134136526)
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Post by: xcvator on August 13, 2020, 10:27:15 AM
Maybe time for a rural escape, that's not a shed, this is a shed...
https://www.realestate.com.au/property-acreage+semi-rural-nsw-wilberforce-134136526 (https://www.realestate.com.au/property-acreage+semi-rural-nsw-wilberforce-134136526)
Too much grass to mow
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on August 13, 2020, 11:31:07 AM
Only 2 hrs from Melbourne.
Cheap as.
https://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-vic-maiden+gully-130135070 (https://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-vic-maiden+gully-130135070)
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Post by: austastar on August 13, 2020, 05:22:20 PM
Hi,
    Why build to such opulence?  Not my cup of tea!
Cheers

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Post by: Hoyks on August 13, 2020, 06:10:50 PM
Only 2 hrs from Melbourne.

I'm only 18 hrs from Melbourne, but I'd like to move further out.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on August 13, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
Oh god!!! The maintenance!! The running costs!! You'd never be able to go anywhere cause there'd always something to do. Nup. Not for this little black duck!

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Post by: gronk on August 13, 2020, 06:32:26 PM
Oh god!!! The maintenance!! The running costs!! You'd never be able to go anywhere cause there'd always something to do. Nup. Not for this little black duck!

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Not if you were a millionare.....small change for a maintenance  man..
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Post by: Kangaron on August 13, 2020, 06:53:38 PM
Oh god!!! The maintenance!! The running costs!! You'd never be able to go anywhere cause there'd always something to do. Nup. Not for this little black duck!

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You pay others for the menial tasks.

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Post by: rags on August 13, 2020, 08:05:44 PM
Maybe time for a rural escape, that's not a shed, this is a shed...
https://www.realestate.com.au/property-acreage+semi-rural-nsw-wilberforce-134136526 (https://www.realestate.com.au/property-acreage+semi-rural-nsw-wilberforce-134136526)

Problem with Wilberforce NSW is one road to cross the Hawkesbury river unless you head back to Nth Richmond and face the same problem, that being an up to an hour to cross bridge. Traffic was the killer for us out in that area and sold. In saying that a great area out of Sydney
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on August 13, 2020, 09:27:56 PM
Problem with Wilberforce NSW is one road to cross the Hawkesbury river unless you head back to Nth Richmond and face the same problem, that being an up to an hour to cross bridge. Traffic was the killer for us out in that area and sold. In saying that a great area out of Sydney

Problem is it's still near Sydney.
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Post by: Bird on August 14, 2020, 09:38:32 AM
Why china is so good at manufacturing.. in Aussie, the unions rules would have them making 500 a day with mandatory 4 hour breaks and picnic days weekly


MASKS, factory produce 200 thousand dairy
https://www.facebook.com/GSFixtop/photos/a.369530963755448/555242535184289/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/GSFixtop/photos/a.369530963755448/555242535184289/?type=3&theater)

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 14, 2020, 09:50:53 AM
Todays score
372 cases, 14 deaths in Victoria but expert 'convinced we are well past peak'
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Post by: Bird on August 14, 2020, 11:33:59 AM
its never going to go away

Quote
Whittlesea man fined for 10th time amid latest COVID-19 fines
By Rachael Dexter

The daily data on fines given out to Victorians caught breaching the Chief Health Officer’s directions has just landed and there are some, ahem, interesting examples in the list - including someone who has copped their 10th fine in a row.

A police spokesman said the repeat offender is a Whittlesea man who told officers he was in the suburb of Richmond to visit work colleagues, but had no evidence to prove it.

Included in the list was a man who said he had a birth condition that “makes him resistant to coronavirus”, according to police.

He was nicked with another man, both not wearing masks, while buying cigarettes in South Melbourne after curfew. Other examples include:

- A man in the Brimbank area who was out after 8pm. When he was asked why he was out, he claimed he was researching where to buy cheaper groceries in the area.

- Eight people who don’t live together who were found in a one-bedroom apartment on Flinders Street in Melbourne CBD.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 14, 2020, 02:28:15 PM
its never going to go away

Not in Victoria at that rate.

Every state has its dummies.... but you guys seem to have above the daily average.
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Post by: Bird on August 14, 2020, 03:06:34 PM
Not in Victoria at that rate.

Every state has its dummies.... but you guys seem to have above the daily average.
10 x 1600 fines... He isnt going to learn that way... 
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/a6741a4a9432fd3358e534d05667ca82/tenor.gif)
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Post by: #jonesy on August 14, 2020, 03:09:02 PM
The other one that will bring us down is coffee shops. People always queuing for a coffee and then loitering around drinking and chatting with people they "bumped into"
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Post by: tryagain on August 14, 2020, 04:08:22 PM
Not in Victoria at that rate.

Every state has its dummies.... but you guys seem to have above the daily average.

I think "entitled" is probably the bigger issue.
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Post by: Troopy_03 on August 15, 2020, 07:30:11 AM
I think "entitled" is probably the bigger issue.

Like this guy?

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/why-linfox-heir-never-needed-an-exemption-to-get-into-queensland-20200814-p55lqw.html (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/why-linfox-heir-never-needed-an-exemption-to-get-into-queensland-20200814-p55lqw.html)
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 15, 2020, 09:24:01 AM
I tell ya what.... if I was in Vic and thought I could get myself out to Qld, I'd of done it too.

Not saying its right, wrong or otherwise, but i'd be out if I could find a loophole.
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Post by: tryagain on August 15, 2020, 11:27:10 AM
Like this guy?

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/why-linfox-heir-never-needed-an-exemption-to-get-into-queensland-20200814-p55lqw.html (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/why-linfox-heir-never-needed-an-exemption-to-get-into-queensland-20200814-p55lqw.html)

More like those that deliberately break the rules, he seems to have abided by them.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: brickiematt on August 16, 2020, 10:32:40 AM
More like those that deliberately break the rules, he seems to have abided by them.
Amazing how a bit of cash will go a long way.
Meanwhile, all his employees are still stuck down here living under restrictions. Great leadership style.....not!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 16, 2020, 10:40:51 AM
todays score.
Victoria records 16 deaths and 279 new cases of COVID-19


not really getting much better but stabilizing
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hoyks on August 16, 2020, 01:31:45 PM
todays score.
Victoria records 16 deaths and 279 new cases of COVID-19

not really getting much better but stabilizing

Apparently you die after about 2 weeks of being infected, so there will be a bit of a lag.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on August 16, 2020, 01:51:58 PM
Amazing how a bit of cash will go a long way.
Meanwhile, all his employees are still stuck down here living under restrictions. Great leadership style.....not!

He may well be a privaledged douchebag, but his actions appear to have been above board and therefore should have minimal risk to others, people who deliberately flout the law like Protesters, Civil libertarians etc in comparison are a risk to others.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: brickiematt on August 16, 2020, 02:16:07 PM
He may well be a privaledged douchebag, but his actions appear to have been above board and therefore should have minimal risk to others, people who deliberately flout the law like Protesters, Civil librarians etc in comparison are a risk to others.
Yeah, his timing was impeccable!! Still, he won't be too popular amongst the masses.
And as for those civil librarians.......
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Post by: Bird on August 16, 2020, 02:23:01 PM
I find it amazing that all those that get special treatment are the well off... **** everyone else.. no preferential treatment..

as for Fox, I dont really many people in his position that would have driven a truck from melb- cairns-bne...


local tradie got the 20k fine and one for his side kick this week returning from a job..
has a permit and his business is clearing out closed down business' - not essential. 4th time he'd been pulled over and asked for his permit, 3 times cops saw permit 'thanks have a nice day', 4th one did.
that would hurt a small business..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on August 16, 2020, 02:35:45 PM
For all the fellow Victorian's I hope you are well. I have had a few calls from members as well as msg's.  Thanks to those that have reached out. Its times like this we need that little extra tap on the shoulder.

For me it has only hit this last week with reduced hours at work due to the limited staff allowed on site. I am lucky I still have a job and hopefully the stage 4 is only 6 weeks long.

Keep safe to all members and especially those in the Greater Melbourne. Reach out if needed, a good chat is always worthwhile

Garrick

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Post by: gronk on August 16, 2020, 04:21:26 PM


For me it has only hit this last week with reduced hours at work due to the limited staff allowed on site. I am lucky I still have a job and hopefully the stage 4 is only 6 weeks long.



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We had been reduced to 30hrs a week, and on jobkeeper. Now that busy, still on jobkeeper, but back to 38hrs a week.

I feel sorry for those in hospitality and tourism, especially Victoria, because they're not going to recover for a long time, some if at all.

We have rellos from Gisborne we go away with a couple of times a year....overseas and locally ( Gold Coast, Hamilton Island, Port Douglas ), but that won't be happening for another year I'm thinking ? Certainly not overseas !!
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Post by: xcvator on August 16, 2020, 08:12:51 PM
We just heard that the state of emergency has been extended untill Sept 13   :'( We are absolutely dreading letting our 11 y/o grandson (who is on the spectrum and living with us) know about this, he's having enough problems handling the current restrictions and another 2 or 3 weeks is mentally not going to be good for him   :'( :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on August 16, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
Stage 4 ends on 13th Sept.
State of Emergency gives the police extra powers to enforce movements etc.
Nothing has changed.

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Post by: Bird on August 16, 2020, 09:00:08 PM
Quote from: xcvator
he's having enough problems handling the current restrictions and another 2 or 3 weeks is mentally not going to be good for him   :'( :'(
its not good for anyone :(

with all the Shit going on in my world + this = the real time I just need to **** off somewhere nad snort campfire smoke.
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Post by: GeoffA on August 16, 2020, 09:48:15 PM
its not good for anyone :(

with all the Shit going on in my world + this = the real time I just need to **** off somewhere nad snort campfire smoke.

....as someone on here might say...."x eleventy-million"....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on August 16, 2020, 10:21:37 PM
State of Emergency isn't about extra police powers.  It gives the Chief Health Officer his extra powers, which flow down.

Explained well here https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-16/victoria-state-of-emergency-disaster-explained-coronavirus/12563680 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-16/victoria-state-of-emergency-disaster-explained-coronavirus/12563680)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on August 16, 2020, 11:48:56 PM
State of Emergency isn't about extra police powers.  It gives the Chief Health Officer his extra powers, which flow down.

Explained well here https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-16/victoria-state-of-emergency-disaster-explained-coronavirus/12563680 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-16/victoria-state-of-emergency-disaster-explained-coronavirus/12563680)
Same same

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Post by: Steffo1 on August 17, 2020, 10:55:19 AM
its not good for anyone :(

with all the Shit going on in my world + this = the real time I just need to **** off somewhere nad snort campfire smoke.

I've been up North-West Qld for a few weeks and honestly feel for you Southern folk. Another issue with the C19 thingy is that I came across a few Vic and Sth Aussie, older 'Nomads' who have been in Qld since earlier in the year and who are now in a sort of Limbo. They want to go home to see kin but are not quite game to. Some are pretty stressed about it, too!
Also, it hit home, once again, how stupid people can be. I was having a beer over a warming fire, with a young bloke who had been temporarily laid off work and so decided to see a bit of the outback. Now, this fella was born and bred on the Sunshine Coast but told me that he had copped a bit of abuse in his travels, as the Britz camper he had rented had Vic number plates! Shouldn't jump to conclusions, hey!
Anyway, stay safe and sane, you Southerners and hope my pics soothe your souls a little.
Cheers
Steve
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Post by: KeithB on August 17, 2020, 11:02:51 AM
I recall seeing an interview with a private security person who said she had only five minutes of training before starting the hotel quarantine gig.
A young friend of the family, who is in the army reserve,was called up as well. The army people all had a full two days training.
Keith
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Post by: Bird on August 17, 2020, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: KeithB
I recall seeing an interview with a private security person who said she had only five minutes of training before starting the hotel quarantine gig.
I think the issue is nobody really knew how bad this Shit COULD get, and they didnt take it serious with 4 b-doubles of complacency
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 17, 2020, 01:11:29 PM
This will hit tourism hard - and lead to more people running the gauntlet...


Quote
Victorians are not expected to be allowed into Queensland until at least Christmas.
Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said Queensland would remain shut off to NSW and Victorian residents as long as there was still evidence of community transmission of COVID-19.

that could be years.
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Post by: tryagain on August 17, 2020, 02:44:32 PM
This will hit tourism hard - and lead to more people running the gauntlet...


that could be years.

She might only be premier for about 6 more weeks though, the LNP were pressing for her to open it earlier, if they happen to win they might have a different outlook, but who knows what the future holds. I suspect now with QLDers also having to hotel quarrantine when reentering the state, that hard borders might be a bit lees popular as time goes on.
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Post by: bmwfreak on August 17, 2020, 04:20:20 PM
The mighty dollar Trumps all. Look how well the community in the States is doing, with a capitalist calling the shots🤔

Opening the borders, any of them that are currently locked down, will result in a similar issue to what Victorian residents have been seeing for the last 6 weeks. Admittedly the people dying are all old, and so pretty useless to the future generations, but still....
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Post by: Bigfish on August 17, 2020, 05:34:24 PM
She might only be premier for about 6 more weeks though, the LNP were pressing for her to open it earlier, if they happen to win they might have a different outlook, but who knows what the future holds. I suspect now with QLDers also having to hotel quarrantine when reentering the state, that hard borders might be a bit lees popular as time goes on.

LNP went very , very quiet when the second wave hit down South and Qld shut the borders. No more screaming to open them up...especially when vast majority of Queenslanders wanted them shut (over 75% according to the article I read).  Certainly the shutting of borders will get less popular...until NSW gets a second wave. I believe that Qld will see another lock down...after all we are relying on people to do the right thing!!.   Funny how the local tourist operators are now offering 40% off to all locals....Suddenly they want to give us a bargain because they cant rip off the internationals any more..
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Post by: Hairs on August 17, 2020, 05:55:56 PM
Just do it.
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 20, 2020, 11:12:44 AM
IF your not feeling well, go to hospital..

...... no wait

Apparently because the ****s over west transferred their covid patients to Frankston to ease up the pressure over there and now look whats happened. 

Quote
In a statement released late on Wednesday night, Peninsula Health, which oversees the running of Frankston Hospital, confirmed 40 nursing staff, four doctors, five support staff members and two Allied Health employees have so far tested positive to COVID-19.

“We were alerted to an increased number of staff cases at Frankston Hospital on Sunday, and immediately responded by calling in external experts to support our response," Peninsula Health chief executive Felicity Topp said.

“We immediately closed a number of wards to admissions and all potentially affected staff and patients were tested. We also started contact tracing to identify anyone else who may have come into contact with an infected person. This process is currently in the final stages.”

https://www.theage.com.au/national/dozens-infected-as-major-outbreak-hits-frankston-hospital-20200819-p55n5z.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/dozens-infected-as-major-outbreak-hits-frankston-hospital-20200819-p55n5z.html)


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Post by: Bird on August 21, 2020, 04:41:06 PM
Video of someone who has been through it
June - coronavirus survivor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VNkmb__gEA&feature=emb_rel_pause)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 22, 2020, 02:08:46 PM
Just been to shops for some essentials..
I've never ever had to do laps of the carpark to look for a spot in 20yrs living here...

Its pisssin with rain, pea size hail, windy as **** - I thort there'd be nobody stupid enough to go out in this Shit - how wrong I was.. talkin to butcher he hasnt seen it this busy since Xmas... Whole families - The rules currently say 1 per family (or similar)

I hope IM wrong, but looks like everyone has seen the low numbers, and thinks SNAFU.. lets all go out.
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Post by: edz on August 22, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Cold Wet n wild weather, less chance of the Blue and the door knockers being out and about ..More likely the thinking .. Birdman ..
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Post by: Bird on August 22, 2020, 02:48:14 PM
Cold Wet n wild weather, less chance of the Blue and the door knockers being out and about ..More likely the thinking .. Birdman ..
your probably right - but in last few weeks I dont think I've seen a cop on the road... I know heading to work, IM gettin past by others on freeway when IM sittin on 110....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on August 23, 2020, 06:54:41 AM
9 new cases in Qld yesterday, 6 linked to the worker in the kids prison. New restrictions put in place in the South East  :'(
gatherings in private homes and public spaces limited to 10 people in the South East
For the rest of Qld (outside the listed LGA's in the South East), gatherings are limited to 30 people
nursing homes and hospitals restricting visitors

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/urgent-covid-19-update (https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/urgent-covid-19-update)
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Post by: Bigfish on August 23, 2020, 06:58:56 AM
9 new cases in Qld yesterday, 6 linked to the worker in the kids prison. New restrictions put in place in the South East  :'(
gatherings in private homes and public spaces limited to 10 people
nursing homes and hospitals restricting visitors

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/urgent-covid-19-update (https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/urgent-covid-19-update)

Yep...it was only a matter of time.. >:( >:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 23, 2020, 01:32:00 PM
Yep...it was only a matter of time.. >:( >:(

It was gunna happen, sure as the sun came up this morning.

With what Qld has seen happen in Victoria and NSW, I would hope, we are a tad smarter and not push our luck and behave ourselves.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: jclures on August 23, 2020, 01:37:16 PM
You wonder if this out brake will be traced back to those that broke the rules coming in to Queensland?
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Post by: Bird on August 23, 2020, 01:48:49 PM
You wonder if this out brake will be traced back to those that broke the rules coming in to Queensland?
You mean the fish girls?

if so, what should happen.. i thnk its time to make some serious examples of people
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on August 23, 2020, 02:01:52 PM
9 new cases in Qld yesterday, 6 linked to the worker in the kids prison. New restrictions put in place in the South East  :'(
gatherings in private homes and public spaces limited to 10 people in the South East
For the rest of Qld (outside the listed LGA's in the South East), gatherings are limited to 30 people
nursing homes and hospitals restricting visitors

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/urgent-covid-19-update (https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/urgent-covid-19-update)
And quite a comprehensive list of places that they visited while potentially infectious.

 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-23/list-of-places-qld-youth-detention-centre-covid-cases-visited/12586912 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-23/list-of-places-qld-youth-detention-centre-covid-cases-visited/12586912)

And I just happened to have a meeting with a crew from Q-Build inside the men’s prison the day before all of this latest stuff came out in the media. :(
I know a couple of them had just come over from the women’s prison, waiting to hear back with confirmation if any of them had also been at the youth site as well.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 26, 2020, 03:25:22 PM
This aint looking promising

Quote
More than 700 Frankston Hospital staff have been in isolation in the past few days after potential exposure to coronavirus following a major outbreak that has led to more than 50 staff being infected.

The huge number of furloughed staff has fuelled concerns about patient care and medical services in the hospital and comes a day after the Andrews government conceded about "70 to 80 per cent" of healthcare workers infected with COVID-19 during the state's second wave of infections caught it at work.



https://www.theage.com.au/national/more-than-700-frankston-hospital-staff-in-isolation-after-outbreak-20200826-p55pde.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/more-than-700-frankston-hospital-staff-in-isolation-after-outbreak-20200826-p55pde.html)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/N8wPya8CTbo/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Post by: xcvator on August 26, 2020, 04:04:16 PM
This aint looking promising



https://www.theage.com.au/national/more-than-700-frankston-hospital-staff-in-isolation-after-outbreak-20200826-p55pde.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/more-than-700-frankston-hospital-staff-in-isolation-after-outbreak-20200826-p55pde.html)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/N8wPya8CTbo/maxresdefault.jpg)
And my grandson is booked in for day surgery on Friday   :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 26, 2020, 05:03:33 PM
And my grandson is booked in for day surgery on Friday   :'(
i thought they had cancelled all surgery.... ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on August 26, 2020, 05:21:18 PM
i thought they had cancelled all surgery.... ???
Not cat 1, but 2 or 3 could be forever
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on August 26, 2020, 07:28:27 PM
Peasants out in Dandenong have hit the streets protesting their rights and that covid19 is a hoax. Most had masks on though.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on August 26, 2020, 10:50:35 PM
Peasants out in Dandenong have hit the streets protesting their rights and that covid19 is a hoax. Most had masks on though.

There's a surprising amount of Americans think it's all a hoax as well.  As everyone has seen during the covid "event", there is no shortage of human beings with strange things ticking away in their heads....and some of them appear to be well educated specimens ??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on August 27, 2020, 07:48:52 AM
Peasants out in Dandenong have hit the streets protesting their rights and that covid19 is a hoax. Most had masks on though.

Sometimes you just cant fix stupid....Maybe a few hours in an ICU ward with suffering patients might change their minds..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 27, 2020, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: corndog
Peasants out in Dandenong have hit the streets protesting their rights and that covid19 is a hoax. Most had masks on though.

most of them wouldnt speak english so cant read DONT DO IT, or are too ****in dumb to read


from the police
"We will have no hesitation in issuing $1,652 fines or making arrests on the day, if necessary."


Anyone believe that?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on August 27, 2020, 04:17:39 PM
The peasants are at it again this arvo. Dipsticks in Dandenong are gathering to march the streets saying they're just getting their exercise. Leave it to these wankers for long and we're be going back into iso.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 27, 2020, 04:19:07 PM
The peasants are at it again this arvo. Dipsticks in Dandenong are gathering to march the streets saying they're just getting their exercise. Leave it to these wankers for long and we're be going back into iso.
they wont be out for long, lets see how dedicated they are... LMAO
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR023.loop.shtml (http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR023.loop.shtml)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on September 05, 2020, 07:23:10 AM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on September 05, 2020, 08:43:56 AM
;D ;D

Looks normal to me
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on September 05, 2020, 09:35:38 AM
The peasants are at it again this arvo. Dipsticks in Dandenong are gathering to march the streets saying they're just getting their exercise. Leave it to these wankers for long and we're be going back into iso.

The highlight of the stupidity was one numbskull running around asking reporters and the like to "show me the statistics that we are threatened"....I may be wrong but hasn't there been a daily report about all aspects of the virus since March?   What a f,n idiot.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on September 05, 2020, 05:18:07 PM
We(Lawrence Rideo Committee) made the decision Wednesday evening at our AGM & General Meeting to cancel this years event, held between Christmas & New Years.
We can not guarantee everyones saftey, and it would not be viable. The Maclean Show Ground under Covid rules could only hold 500 people, this includes competitors, working staff, it would only allow about 30 odd paying spectators.
Last year we raised some $27000.00 that went back to local groups.
We have enough in the bank to donate about a 1/3 of that to these clubs/groups that depend on this event to keep their organizations afloat.

It sure is a blow to our Communitty, but we are not the only ones that Covid has dealt a blow to.

Take care Swaggers.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 05, 2020, 05:27:01 PM
With the VIC numbers still too high, VIC Swaggers can expect an extension to stage 4 tomorrow for another couple of weeks. Then if the 7 day running average is single digits we'll go to a stage 3 'plus', which is essentially stage 4 with a few tweaks. It's going to be a long haul...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on September 05, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
We(Lawrence Rideo Committee) made the decision Wednesday evening at our AGM & General Meeting to cancel this years event, held between Christmas & New Years.
We can not guarantee everyones saftey, and it would not be viable. The Maclean Show Ground under Covid rules could only hold 500 people, this includes competitors, working staff, it would only allow about 30 odd paying spectators.
Last year we raised some $27000.00 that went back to local groups.
We have enough in the bank to donate about a 1/3 of that to these clubs/groups that depend on this event to keep their organizations afloat.

It sure is a blow to our Communitty, but we are not the only ones that Covid has dealt a blow to.

Take care Swaggers.

Like a lot of organisations during these trying times, if you have enough money to survive this year, hopefully next year will bring brighter times.
Some community groups may fold...but out the other side, hopefully we'll see a resurgence of community support not seen since ww2..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on September 05, 2020, 06:27:37 PM
Like a lot of organisations during these trying times, if you have enough money to survive this year, hopefully next year will bring brighter times.
Some community groups may fold...but out the other side, hopefully we'll see a resurgence of community support not seen since ww11..
Talking to few over the last month, there has been a return to people thinking about their own community, there are groups reaching out to those less fortunate then us.
Empathy, would seem to be making a come back.
Thinking about others, some of the local stories I've heard about.
People organizing hampers/cooked meals for the elderly who are alone.
Doing they shopping, run errands for them.

Hey mate,
Cheers and you guys take care .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bmwfreak on September 05, 2020, 06:30:46 PM
Hey Hairs,
What age group has suddenly found empathy?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on September 05, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
Hey Hairs,
What age group has suddenly found empathy?
Why would you think it is an age thing?

Mate, I'd say across all ages.
We have in our tiny part of the world, a lot of young people, early 20's joining local groups, wanting to be apart of the communitty.
We also have people, retired, tree changes, young families that are wanting to be apart of the communitty.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bmwfreak on September 05, 2020, 06:50:32 PM
Answers my question,  but no need to assume I was looking for a target group, merely curious.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bmwfreak on September 05, 2020, 06:58:17 PM
Why would you think it is an age thing?
I was merely curious if there was a stand out age group who have come to your attention, in the statement that ‘empathy seems to be making a comeback’. Your response answers the question, without assuming an attack at any particular generation.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on September 05, 2020, 07:02:34 PM
Answers my question,  but no need to assume I was looking for a target group, merely curious.
Wasn't, just though it different.
Maybe I didn't word it right.
Cheers.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 05, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
Quote from: Hairs
Mate, I'd say across all ages.
We have in our tiny part of the world, a lot of young people, early 20's joining local groups, wanting to be apart of the communitty.
We also have people, retired, tree changes, young families that are wanting to be apart of the communitty.

Thats the small town feel I miss.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on September 05, 2020, 07:15:37 PM
Thats the small town feel I miss.
It's awesome to be apart of.
I really couldn't live in a city, Christ, Yamba, Broomshead and Maclean are a head $#rkat holiday time.
Love(except for the numpties that can not take instruction from the ferry operators & screw the whole show up)my morning/afternoon ferry trip to get to & from where work is.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200905/e6dd7f68b7201bb3f1e04b6b48f1abc8.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200905/35f5759e8eef3985952247c273d30070.jpg)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on September 05, 2020, 07:51:31 PM
Talking to few over the last month, there has been a return to people thinking about their own community, there are groups reaching out to those less fortunate then us.
Empathy, would seem to be making a come back.
Thinking about others, some of the local stories I've heard about.
People organizing hampers/cooked meals for the elderly who are alone.
Doing they shopping, run errands for them.

Hey mate,
Cheers and you guys take care .

This has existed in communities for the ages, often associated with churches, just some people are not aware of the work of others do in the community.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 05, 2020, 10:51:38 PM
https://rcc.news/2020/09/russell-island-covid-19-case/ (https://rcc.news/2020/09/russell-island-covid-19-case/)

Maybe more of a rant but just what the fluk is Palaceofshades doing to try and control the spread of Covid in Queensland because she sure as fluk is not protecting her fellow Queenslanders.   

My old Man live on the Islands and until now has been to some degree isolated from Covid but as we have many times discussed the passenger ferries is a big concern for possible spread of Covid.   All it takes is one to commute from Island to mainland to bring it over to the Islands, Russel, Lamb, Macleay and Karragarra Islands.   

So now we have someone from the existing correctional services cluster potentially spreading the virus to a vulnerable community.

Sorry for the rant but I am just a bit annoyed with the stupid Border closure and not allowed to check on my old Man because I live in regional NSW with NO Covid cases but the Queersland Health calls us a Hotspot.     
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on September 06, 2020, 07:34:22 AM
https://rcc.news/2020/09/russell-island-covid-19-case/ (https://rcc.news/2020/09/russell-island-covid-19-case/)

Maybe more of a rant but just what the fluk is Palaceofshades doing to try and control the spread of Covid in Queensland because she sure as fluk is not protecting her fellow Queenslanders.   

My old Man live on the Islands and until now has been to some degree isolated from Covid but as we have many times discussed the passenger ferries is a big concern for possible spread of Covid.   All it takes is one to commute from Island to mainland to bring it over to the Islands, Russel, Lamb, Macleay and Karragarra Islands.   

So now we have someone from the existing correctional services cluster potentially spreading the virus to a vulnerable community.

Sorry for the rant but I am just a bit annoyed with the stupid Border closure and not allowed to check on my old Man because I live in regional NSW with NO Covid cases but the Queersland Health calls us a Hotspot.     


So your critisizing the premier for not shutting down island borders? Yet pissed off with border controls. Qld is going great guns with the current virus. Our case numbers are no where near the 2 southern states and community spread is under control.  Recent polls show great majority of Queenslanders are happy with the border protection. Isnt that the job of a state premier ..to look after their state first?  I can understand your frustration but you are just one in many million who is frustrated.  Unfortunately this virus is no where near being under control. Check out how the Spanish Flu was handled and the devastating effect it had when people relaxed their attitude to it. I have kids and grandkids in Melbourne and country Victoria . One of them would never survive the virus, because of his medical condition.   Qld health is doing a great job and you can rest assured that the islands will receive prompt attention to stop any outbreak.  I,d rather be in Qld than NSW or Vic while the virus is still present.

Here is an interesting article on just how important it is to not be in a rush to "get back to normal"..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/victoria-coronavirus-covid-19-lockdown-restrictions-modelling/12633906 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/victoria-coronavirus-covid-19-lockdown-restrictions-modelling/12633906)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 06, 2020, 10:01:27 AM

So your critisizing the premier for not shutting down island borders? Yet pissed off with border controls. Qld is going great guns with the current virus. Our case numbers are no where near the 2 southern states and community spread is under control.  Recent polls show great majority of Queenslanders are happy with the border protection. Isnt that the job of a state premier ..to look after their state first?  I can understand your frustration but you are just one in many million who is frustrated.  Unfortunately this virus is no where near being under control. Check out how the Spanish Flu was handled and the devastating effect it had when people relaxed their attitude to it. I have kids and grandkids in Melbourne and country Victoria . One of them would never survive the virus, because of his medical condition.   Qld health is doing a great job and you can rest assured that the islands will receive prompt attention to stop any outbreak.  I,d rather be in Qld than NSW or Vic while the virus is still present.

Here is an interesting article on just how important it is to not be in a rush to "get back to normal"..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/victoria-coronavirus-covid-19-lockdown-restrictions-modelling/12633906 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/victoria-coronavirus-covid-19-lockdown-restrictions-modelling/12633906)

No, not criticising nor wanting Island Borders and while you may think Community spread is under control, this demonstrates it is not under control.  A person from a known cluster outbreak  potentially infecting an already isolated Community.   Lets hope the potential doesn't happen.   Reading different articles about this one case shows a complete lack of understanding of the four Island Communities.  While the one case resides on Russell Island, the Water Buses service all four Islands, great to have testing for Russell Island residents but people from the other three Islands could be sitting next to near the one case.   It is good to see Community spread in Queensland as well, lets hope for all sake, it is handled better then Vic was.   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on September 06, 2020, 11:04:58 AM

So your critisizing the premier for not shutting down island borders? Yet pissed off with border controls. Qld is going great guns with the current virus. Our case numbers are no where near the 2 southern states and community spread is under control.  Recent polls show great majority of Queenslanders are happy with the border protection. Isnt that the job of a state premier ..to look after their state first?  I can understand your frustration but you are just one in many million who is frustrated.  Unfortunately this virus is no where near being under control. Check out how the Spanish Flu was handled and the devastating effect it had when people relaxed their attitude to it. I have kids and grandkids in Melbourne and country Victoria . One of them would never survive the virus, because of his medical condition.   Qld health is doing a great job and you can rest assured that the islands will receive prompt attention to stop any outbreak.  I,d rather be in Qld than NSW or Vic while the virus is still present.

Here is an interesting article on just how important it is to not be in a rush to "get back to normal"..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/victoria-coronavirus-covid-19-lockdown-restrictions-modelling/12633906 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/victoria-coronavirus-covid-19-lockdown-restrictions-modelling/12633906)

The below article captures nicely the arrogance of the Qld Premier.


Tom Marland - food for thought and thought for food
2 September at 05:36 ·
“Only for our people”
I’m a proud Queenslander.
But I am, and always will be, an even prouder Australian.
In 1900, when Sir Henry Parks drafted the rabble of the Australian states together as one Federation - it was the birth of our great country.
Parkes dreamed of a nation united in common purpose, values and shared gain.
In 1915, when young Australians sailed off to Gallipoli and died in foreign trenches they sacrificed under a common flag.
In 1939, when we fought on foreign shores and defended our own island nation against foreign oppressors we did so as Australians - not for our post codes.
I love barracking for Queensland in the state of origin just the same as I barracked for Ricky Ponting scoring a hundred, Ian Thorpe winning gold, Shane Warne turning them square, Lleyton Hewitt fist pumping at the Australian Open, Daniel Ricciardo in the formula one or Des Abbott or Nova Peris in the hockey.
It’s fine to be parochial for your home state but we are all still one people living in a country girt by sea.
No matter what your politics, you can only be ashamed of our Queensland Premier in her handling of the border lock outs in Queensland.
'People living in NSW they have NSW hospitals. In Queensland we have Queensland hospitals for our people,' she said.
We have people from NSW literally dieing because they can’t get access to the closest hospitals which happens to be separated by a line drawn 150 years ago.
We have parents in NSW who can’t bring their kids home from boarding school because the closest schools are in Queensland.
We had, up until a week ago, farmers who couldn't access stock because of a border that has no relevance to their communities.
We have family and businesses separated - not because of the risk of Covid - but because some moron thinks a border is more important than the risk itself.
Victoria has been hard hit by Covid. More accurately Melbourne. There has very few cases let alone deaths outside of the Melbourne metropolis. Despite this, country Victoria is in a draconian lock down that serves little purpose or makes little sense.
NSW or more accurately Sydney has a few clusters. But there has been hardly a case let alone a death north of Newcastle or west of Penrith.
And while our Queensland premier is spruiking bread and circuses over landing the AFL grand final her state and her country weeps.
Our Queensland economy was a basket case prior to Covid and is only now being propped up by Federal Government support - funded by all Australian tax payers.
A true Australian or a politician with half a brain or heart would be offering support to their neighbours while they are suffering - not kicking sand in their eyes for their own political gain.
Queensland has had 1000 Covid cases and 6 deaths. Compare this to Victoria with 20,000 cases and 576 deaths or NSW with 4000 cases and 50 deaths.
It would make sense that those who are outside of Covid hotspots in those states would be allowed entry to Queensland for medical assistance rather than overload an already overloaded system in their own states defined by imaginary lines.
The sad irony is that all state hospitals are funded by our federal government.
The recalcitrance to reason by our Premier is bad enough. But the constant self-interested gloating is both sad and embarrassing.
Actually it’s shameful.
Here would be a real sign of leadership - instead of gloating about “winning” a AFL grand final in Brisbane by default for a sport very few Queenslanders follow yet alone care about - offer all of those tickets and free flights to country Victorians who are outside of the Covid hotspots who live and love and breath AFL.
How about open the borders to kids and parents who live in NSW yet school them in Queensland but pose zero risk to the spread of Covid.
How about offer all of the free beds that are currently in our hospitals set aside for a Covid spike that was never going to happen - to people who need our help, who are outside Covid hotspots but are just unfortunate to live south of our border.
Covid has redefined the world we live in.
Let’s just hope that the silver living is that we will also redefine the Governments we elect to govern us and those imaginary lines drawn 150 years ago.
We are in this together - as one country, as one people.
Let’s never allow lines in the sand to define us again.
In the great words of Sir Henry Parkes:
“In one hand I have a dream, and in the other I have an obstacle. Tell me, which one grabs your attention?”
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 06, 2020, 01:05:55 PM
As expected for VIC swaggers, pretty much the same rules as now until 28/9. Things then get a little better like the stupid 5km rule gone, but not a lot of change until 26 October. So Dan's basically added another 6 weeks of stage 4...
https://www.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions-roadmap-metro-melbourne (https://www.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions-roadmap-metro-melbourne)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 06, 2020, 02:09:05 PM
Quote from: D4D
As expected for VIC swaggers, pretty much the same rules as now until 28/9. Things then get a little better like the stupid 5km rule gone, but not a lot of change until 26 October. So Dan's basically added another 6 weeks of stage 4.

think we all knew it would be extended... no surprises there, just the length ... that new end date would be just in time for the "important horse races" wouldnt it?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: HKB Electronics on September 06, 2020, 02:10:49 PM
As expected for VIC swaggers, pretty much the same rules as now until 28/9. Things then get a little better like the stupid 5km rule gone, but not a lot of change until 26 October. So Dan's basically added another 6 weeks of stage 4...
https://www.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions-roadmap-metro-melbourne (https://www.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions-roadmap-metro-melbourne)

"Things then get a little better like the stupid 5km rule gone" not until the 26/10
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 06, 2020, 02:20:53 PM
"Things then get a little better like the stupid 5km rule gone" not until the 26/10

Read step 2 in the link I posted above again, 28/9 5km rule gone

Changes from 'Stay within 5km of your home except for permitted reasons such as work or education if these can not be done at home'

To 'Only leave home for 4 reasons: school or work (if these can not be done from home), care or caregiving, to purchase essentials, exercise'
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: HKB Electronics on September 06, 2020, 04:05:16 PM
Read step 2 in the link I posted above again, 28/9 5km rule gone

Changes from 'Stay within 5km of your home except for permitted reasons such as work or education if these can not be done at home'

To 'Only leave home for 4 reasons: school or work (if these can not be done from home), care or caregiving, to purchase essentials, exercise'

Step 1 States "Stay within 5km of your home except for permitted reasons such as work or education if these can not be done at home" Care giving you can
travel furhter than 5K now, I would not try the excersize one on the police, seen them booking plenty down the beach trying that one on.

Step 2 doesn't mention the 5K rule but from nine msn

"When will the 5km travel restriction end?
October 26: no restrictions on reasons or distance travelled."

Dan in his presentation made no mention of it in the September part, he stated the distance rule for others than those with
a permitted reasons goes in October.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 06, 2020, 04:30:02 PM
Step 2 doesn't mention the 5K rule but from nine msn

"When will the 5km travel restriction end?
October 26: no restrictions on reasons or distance travelled."

I'll take the advice from the VIC gov website before a media outlet. I only need to do 1 trip outside my 5km radius to pickup a bike, I'll be printing out that site and taking it with me on the 28th just in case.
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Post by: corndog on September 06, 2020, 04:32:56 PM
Ok, seen the Victorian opposition leader Michael O'Brien, doing his political best attacking what Dan has come out and said about the "roadmap". Fine, I would like him to come out and tell us all what he and his party has a roadmap to get out of this. They would have information needed,  they have all the same ministers. How about they go one better and let us all know if they have the answer, Publish, release what their maps is. Hanging s**t on the other side on a health problem like this is not on. Come on Michael, give us the other option of getting us out of this. Sure both sides of the fence,  and the ones sitting on top of the fence would like to know. After all Melways publish road maps, doesn't stop Gregories from giving us thier version.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 06, 2020, 04:43:42 PM
Ok, seen the Victorian opposition leader Michael O'Brien, doing his political best attacking what Dan has come out and said about the "roadmap". Fine, I would like him to come out and tell us all what he and his party has a roadmap to get out of this. They would have information needed,  they have all the same ministers. How about they go one better and let us all know if they have the answer, Publish, release what their maps is. Hanging s**t on the other side on a health problem like this is not on. Come on Michael, give us the other option of getting us out of this. Sure both sides of the fence,  and the ones sitting on top of 5he fence would like to know. After all Melways publish road maps, doesn't stop Gregories from giving us thier version.

The focus of the plan is too skewed to lockdown, as well as the health concerns Dan needs to think of the business concerns. Regardless of what the other side of government is saying Dan has no plan for business, this should have been front and centre today. His Union mates who voted him in are asking for the same thing, a business recovery plan. It is going to take a long long time, if ever, to get the Victorian economy back to any form of growth. The long term business and social impact is going to be huge. Victoria will be a business backwater. Multinational companies and entrepreneurs/start up businesses will be too scared to invest and move their HQs interstate. No investment = no new jobs. Immigration will dry up, keep in mind it has been immigration that has been driving our boom, construction/services/education industries all shrinking = less existing jobs. Melbourne once was the most liveable city, not any more.
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Post by: corndog on September 06, 2020, 04:49:14 PM
So what is Michael O'Brien and the Liberal parties plan. That is all I'm asking and the answer from them is all I want. They have a better way, tell us that way.
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Post by: D4D on September 06, 2020, 04:53:25 PM
So what is Michael O'Brien and the Liberal parties plan. That is all I'm asking and the answer from them is all I want. They have a better way, tell us that way.

Of course he doesn't have a plan, he's not in government and is trying to win political points. He is asking a valid question and as per my previous post it needs an answer and quickly.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on September 06, 2020, 05:13:19 PM
Well there you go. They have no plan, it's all about political point scoring, ask questions to which they have no answer to themselves, hang s**t on the answers given by the enemy.  Going by that I'd be totally lost, no idea of where I was, no idea on which way to turn, no idea in which way to go, all from a party that has no recourse on anything that happens as they are not in government.
Now that is a roadmap to follow.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 06, 2020, 05:17:01 PM
Well there you go. They have no plan, it's all about political point scoring, ask questions to which they have no answer to themselves, hang s**t on the answers given by the enemy.  Going by that I'd be totally lost, no idea of where I was, no idea on which way to turn, no idea in which way to go, all from a party that has no recourse on anything that happens as they are not in government.
Now that is a roadmap to follow.

Welcome to politics. As I said in my earlier post, if you can put your political alliance aside, he is asking a valid question and it needs an answer and quickly.
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Post by: Bird on September 06, 2020, 06:27:31 PM
Quote from: D4D
Welcome to politics. As I said in my earlier post, if you can put your political alliance aside, he is asking a valid question and it needs an answer and quickly.
While I agree, Dan opened th gates early last time and see where we are.. cant blame him for being gun shy.

To me I think he hopes it will fix itself. Borrowing more and more isnt the answer.

Over all I think hes done a pretty decent job of all this since it aint happened in our lifetime and I dont vote so dont give a Shit who is in.
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Post by: D4D on September 06, 2020, 06:32:52 PM
While I agree, Dan opened th gates early last time and see where we are.. cant blame him for being gun shy.

The sub-optimal management of the returned traveller hotel quarantine process is why we are where we are today.
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Post by: GeoffA on September 06, 2020, 06:38:11 PM
The sub-optimal management of the returned traveller hotel quarantine process is why we are where we are today.

Correct...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 06, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
Ok, seen the Victorian opposition leader Michael O'Brien, doing his political best attacking what Dan has come out and said about the "roadmap". Fine, I would like him to come out and tell us all what he and his party has a roadmap to get out of this. They would have information needed,  they have all the same ministers. How about they go one better and let us all know if they have the answer, Publish, release what their maps is. Hanging s**t on the other side on a health problem like this is not on. Come on Michael, give us the other option of getting us out of this. Sure both sides of the fence,  and the ones sitting on top of the fence would like to know. After all Melways publish road maps, doesn't stop Gregories from giving us thier version.

Not sure the Vic Opposition or any Opposition Government, would have the information needed.   When you consider the National Cabinet only consists of the Prime Minister and all State Premiers and Territory Chief Ministers.   No Opposition members in attendance.   How many of the decisions made by Premiers of Chief Ministers have been made without State/Territory Governments sitting to discuss anything.   That is one of the complaints about Covid is the lack of Parliament sitting days.  While playing Politics I doubt Premiers/Chief Ministers would sharing much at all with their Oppositions.   

Similar to the Federal Government giving it's expert Health advice on what the State/Territories should be doing but the State/Territory Premiers/Chief Ministers just go off and do their own thing regardless of what the Federal Government has advised.   
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on September 06, 2020, 07:14:24 PM
The sub-optimal management of the returned traveller hotel quarantine process is why we are where we are today.

This is the main problem and his team let Victoria down big time which has also overflowed to other states, luckily being contained compared to Victoria. I am not sure of the answer, and any party is not as well. Its a non win situation which ever way you turn and until someone comes up with some sort of vaccine we are all going to lead a difficult and controoled life.

I and almost all Victorians are more than over the crap we are dealing with but I am unsure what the answer is. Its going to be a hard road to the end and a very long and slow recovery.

For those in Vic, keep going, keep safe and talk to anyone when it gets hard.

 GG
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Post by: Bird on September 06, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: GGV8Cruza
Its a non win situation which ever way you turn
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Post by: xcvator on September 06, 2020, 08:32:32 PM
I can't imagine what other people are going through, but it's getting pretty tough in our household.

Our 11 year old autistic grandson came to live with us in January for a more settled lifestyle, he can facetime 2 other kids

Our daughter had her ivf baby11 weeks ago, she is suffering post natal depression, no friends can visit her to see her baby, nor can she go out.

I suffer severe depression from things I saw 40 years ago, and I/we never know when that might kick in, things can get very ugly when it does.

My wife is hanging on by her fingernails, doing homeschooling for the grandson, trying to help the daughter, and all the while watching to see if I fall in a heap

No this isn't a call for help, we will get through this, as "Slim Dusty's" song says, "time heals all wounds, but leaves a scar" but I am very angry about the incompetence  that allowed this to happen and the "captain of the ship" is doing his damndest to blame other people
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Post by: lukeycat on September 06, 2020, 10:03:07 PM
The sub-optimal management of the returned traveller hotel quarantine process is why we are where we are today.
Too true I wish they would just get on with it and admit that they cocked it up then get on with trying to get stuff back to some sort of normal pretty much every press conference is the same with old mate saying we don’t know how long this is going to take but we are with you, bullShit they are with us, this government is useless. watching friends businesses take a hiding for no fault of their own is heartbreaking.


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 06, 2020, 10:19:07 PM
I can't imagine what other people are going through, but it's getting pretty tough in our household.

Our 11 year old autistic grandson came to live with us in January for a more settled lifestyle, he can facetime 2 other kids

Our daughter had her ivf baby11 weeks ago, she is suffering post natal depression, no friends can visit her to see her baby, nor can she go out.

I suffer severe depression from things I saw 40 years ago, and I/we never know when that might kick in, things can get very ugly when it does.

My wife is hanging on by her fingernails, doing homeschooling for the grandson, trying to help the daughter, and all the while watching to see if I fall in a heap

No this isn't a call for help, we will get through this, as "Slim Dusty's" song says, "time heals all wounds, but leaves a scar" but I am very angry about the incompetence  that allowed this to happen and the "captain of the ship" is doing his damndest to blame other people

Exactly why blanket fixes never work, each family/household is different, with different needs and wants.   Take care mate.   
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Post by: bkim on September 07, 2020, 12:15:16 AM

Similar to the Federal Government giving it's expert Health advice on what the State/Territories should be doing but the State/Territory Premiers/Chief Ministers just go off and do their own thing regardless of what the Federal Government has advised.   

I think you will find the states also have their own expert medical advice relating to their states which may differ from what the federal advice is, it doesn't necessarily follow the federal experts are automatically right
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Post by: bkim on September 07, 2020, 12:24:56 AM
The below article captures nicely the arrogance of the Qld Premier





You are completely entitled to your opinion, but I can't say I have met too many people around QLD who share it, I think a few other states also threw their hat in the ring for the AFL final
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: brickiematt on September 07, 2020, 08:57:38 AM
The sub-optimal management of the returned traveller hotel quarantine process is why we are where we are today.
"Sub-optimal".......that's a nice way of putting it
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 07, 2020, 11:00:28 AM
I think you will find the states also have their own expert medical advice relating to their states which may differ from what the federal advice is, it doesn't necessarily follow the federal experts are automatically right

doesn't mean the State's experts are right either, but are we, as in all of us, Australian or are we Queenslanders, NSWmen, Victorians or what ever State and Territory we live in, in Australia.   
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Post by: Bigfish on September 07, 2020, 11:20:34 AM
doesn't mean the State's experts are right either, but are we, as in all of us, Australian or are we Queenslanders, NSWmen, Victorians or what ever State and Territory we live in, in Australia.   

Your right Alan...we are all in it together.  Some more so than others. As I,ve said before I have kids and grandkids in Victoria. All doing it tough...like most.  The wife is really frustrated at not seeing them since before last Xmas. There must be something wrong with them though...they are staying home and doing the right thing!!!   No going to illegal demonstrations, no posting bullShit on farcebook or forums, wearing masks and following hygiene recommendations.  They would rather do it tough for a little longer than see the whole state turn to Shit if a third wave was to hit!  Its no good slagging off at different state premiers or federal ministers...no one has had any experience with the situation we are in now. They are doing their best.  Mistakes will be made but then again, that is to be expected...so long as we learn from them.  News of a possible vaccine breakthrough today is a big positive. People can whinge about borders but in reality we all live in some sort of closed borders.  Whether it be the fence around your yard or farm, the borders between states, borders around national parks etc.etc....Shutting borders has been  a positive way of helping to stop the spread of the virus...if you dont think so then write to a minister and ask him to remove international borders as well. The aim is localize the infection as best as possible and try to control it.  Elimination wont be for a long time yet. .  Ipswich hospital has had to isolate 220 staff because of one case yesterday.  Europe is seeing thousands of more cases every day since relaxing a little on the socializing rules.  Hopefully this time next year we can all talk about what a bastard the virus was and how we are glad its under control... :cheers:
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Post by: MarkGU on September 07, 2020, 11:22:03 AM
doesn't mean the State's experts are right either, but are we, as in all of us, Australian or are we Queenslanders, NSWmen, Victorians or what ever State and Territory we live in, in Australia.   
Thats a great theory you have there Al...........now all you have to do is get that into Palletchooks noggin.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 07, 2020, 12:12:13 PM
Your right Alan...we are all in it together.  Some more so than others. As I,ve said before I have kids and grandkids in Victoria. All doing it tough...like most.  The wife is really frustrated at not seeing them since before last Xmas. There must be something wrong with them though...they are staying home and doing the right thing!!!   No going to illegal demonstrations, no posting bullShit on farcebook or forums, wearing masks and following hygiene recommendations.  They would rather do it tough for a little longer than see the whole state turn to Shit if a third wave was to hit!  Its no good slagging off at different state premiers or federal ministers...no one has had any experience with the situation we are in now. They are doing their best.  Mistakes will be made but then again, that is to be expected...so long as we learn from them.  News of a possible vaccine breakthrough today is a big positive. People can whinge about borders but in reality we all live in some sort of closed borders.  Whether it be the fence around your yard or farm, the borders between states, borders around national parks etc.etc....Shutting borders has been  a positive way of helping to stop the spread of the virus...if you dont think so then write to a minister and ask him to remove international borders as well. The aim is localize the infection as best as possible and try to control it.  Elimination wont be for a long time yet. .  Ipswich hospital has had to isolate 220 staff because of one case yesterday.  Europe is seeing thousands of more cases every day since relaxing a little on the socializing rules.  Hopefully this time next year we can all talk about what a bastard the virus was and how we are glad its under control... :cheers:

Yep all doing it tough to different degrees.   Our daughter has been in the States with her hubby for 4.5 years now.   Mum wants her back home to 'protect' her from the virus and all the other crap happening in the States at present but that's not going to happen.   

There is a lot at stake with the Virus, not just immediate health concerns from Virus, but as clearly set out by a lot of posts regarding the mental health and basic well being of people, particularly those in any form of lock down.   Then there is the rebuild after for those with business and jobs.   As there is no rule book with the Virus it is trial and error, the less errors the better. 
 
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Post by: D4D on September 07, 2020, 02:48:20 PM
Interesting comparison of SYD to MEL case numbers.
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/coronavirus-victoria-roadmap-criteria-to-easing-restrictions-would-see-sydney-in-lockdown-now/news-story/c5d152cfef153022ac6ec0597fec1a5e (https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/coronavirus-victoria-roadmap-criteria-to-easing-restrictions-would-see-sydney-in-lockdown-now/news-story/c5d152cfef153022ac6ec0597fec1a5e)

My mower man can't mow my lawns, I don't even interact with him when he does, but we're told outside is less risk of community transmission, so let's kill his business...
Wearing a mask is the way to prevent transmission, yet they won't open retail as there are too many people interacting, isn't that why we're being told to wear masks...
Meanwhile in Sydney...
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Post by: millator on September 07, 2020, 03:00:56 PM
Now think back about where it all started??????????????????? Drums here,






Does this come into mind and why is little Dan attacked for doing the job he HAS to do??

On Thursday, the Ruby Princess cruise ship docked in Sydney with dozens of undiagnosed coronavirus cases onboard.
Almost 2,700 passengers - some coughing and spluttering - were allowed to leave the ship at Sydney Harbour, catching trains, buses and even overseas flights to get home.
More than 130 people from the cruise have now tested positive, making it the biggest single source of infections in Australia. One passenger died in hospital on Tuesday.
The saga has caused much anger: why was the ship allowed to dock and unload people?

People need to blame someone so they themselfs look better :(
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Post by: Bigfish on September 07, 2020, 03:50:22 PM
Interesting comparison of SYD to MEL case numbers.
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/coronavirus-victoria-roadmap-criteria-to-easing-restrictions-would-see-sydney-in-lockdown-now/news-story/c5d152cfef153022ac6ec0597fec1a5e (https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/coronavirus-victoria-roadmap-criteria-to-easing-restrictions-would-see-sydney-in-lockdown-now/news-story/c5d152cfef153022ac6ec0597fec1a5e)

My mower man can't mow my lawns, I don't even interact with him when he does, but we're told outside is less risk of community transmission, so let's kill his business...
Wearing a mask is the way to prevent transmission, yet they won't open retail as there are too many people interacting, isn't that why we're being told to wear masks...
Meanwhile in Sydney...

Masks can only help lower transmission. Not 100% stop it.

"The bottom line, experts say, is that masks might help keep people with COVID-19 from unknowingly passing along the virus. But the evidence for the efficacy of surgical or homemade masks is limited, and masks aren't the most important protection against the coronavirus".   Live Science.Jun 2, 2020

Unfortunately the mower man will have to interact a lot more than amny.  Maybe a few dozen homes a week, possibly school grounds, , shop yards etc.  He will also interact at servos, parts shops, and possibly mechanics.  Like many he is doing it tough. No ones disputing that. Lot more doing it tougher.  If there was a simple solution it would have been ran out by now.   Just have to remember we have been extremely lucky in this country. Extremely!  Luck or good management or a mixture of both has been responsible for saving many lives.  Our death toll could have been so much more.  If it had of got hold in remote aboriginal regions the death toll would have been in the thousands..not hundreds.

Its bloody hard to be positive or optimistic but when you look at nearly every other country..we are doing well.
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Post by: wakychapmans on September 07, 2020, 04:46:39 PM

Its bloody hard to be positive or optimistic but when you look at nearly every other country..we are doing well.

oh good Dog yes... we could be the USA.

now THERE is a right royal cluster**** in progress. But... but... "ma freedums"
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Post by: Bird on September 07, 2020, 04:50:43 PM
India's moved up the ladder into second place
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data)

We're not doing too bad 71st place.
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Post by: Hairs on September 07, 2020, 05:06:22 PM


"ma freedums"
This is what is pi$$in me the most.
The energy/resources dealing with these stains on the sheets.
NEWS footage, Protesters yesterday, a women, was lead away, throwing her head back She is screaming, "I can't Breathe"
Note, she was white.

Sure, I get we all can object a mountain of Shite that we fon't think is just or fair, but some are so F%$#€£ in the head, it really does make you question, what's life going to be like be like in 12 months time.
I have faith that the wheel has to turn, but Christ it's Not lookin good atm.

Sorry, I shall head to the fridge, ;)


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Post by: Pete79 on September 07, 2020, 05:37:01 PM
Now think back about where it all started??????????????????? Drums here,






Does this come into mind and why is little Dan attacked for doing the job he HAS to do??

On Thursday, the Ruby Princess cruise ship docked in Sydney with dozens of undiagnosed coronavirus cases onboard.
Almost 2,700 passengers - some coughing and spluttering - were allowed to leave the ship at Sydney Harbour, catching trains, buses and even overseas flights to get home.
More than 130 people from the cruise have now tested positive, making it the biggest single source of infections in Australia. One passenger died in hospital on Tuesday.
The saga has caused much anger: why was the ship allowed to dock and unload people?

People need to blame someone so they themselfs look better :(
Haha, I was thinking exactly the same thing when ScoMo was high-fiving his Liberal team mate at that press conference earlier today. ;)

Apparently NSW is so totally awesome because they have their health officials involved in every part of their virus tracing and control measures.
That would be exactly the same health officials that caused half of the mess the whole country is in right now. ::)

And then there is those private security contractors in Sydney that got infected while working at the international returned travelers quarantine hotels.
Apparently going by the non existent outrage aimed at those guys, the poor old NSW infected contractors are totally different to the evil and incompetent VIC infected contractors.

The only thing worse then the virus at the moment is all of the rubbish politics going on.... :(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on September 07, 2020, 06:33:31 PM


The only thing worse then the virus at the moment is all of the rubbish politics going on.... :(
From all sides of the political divide.
Doesn't matter which team you support, they are all as bad as each other.
:(
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Post by: Pete79 on September 07, 2020, 06:41:20 PM
From all sides of the political divide.
Doesn't matter which team you support, they are all as bad as each other.
:(
Absolutely!!
And it would be no different if the other side were in charge, state or federally.
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Post by: Bird on September 07, 2020, 06:44:02 PM
Quote from: Pete79
Apparently going by the non existent outrage aimed at those guys, the poor old NSW infected contractors are totally different to the evil and incompetent VIC infected contractors

Gold
well put LMAO!

Absolutely!!
And it would be no different if the other side were in charge, state or federally.
agree 354209394872394875%
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on September 07, 2020, 07:09:44 PM
I may be, probably I am wrong here, But.
Doesn't personal responibility stop at individuals?
You can make as many Laws, regulations as you want, but If people choose to ignore those, who is responsible?


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Post by: gronk on September 07, 2020, 09:24:51 PM
I may be, probably I am wrong here, But.
Doesn't personal responibility stop at individuals?
You can make as many Laws, regulations as you want, but If people choose to ignore those, who is responsible?

The government !!!   Just ask them.....

If they didn't make the law, there would be no need to break the law.

Everyone understands that some of these laws go against the freedom that us westernised countries are used to, but these dumbos are not getting the idea of "unprecedented" times. Maybe when all this is over, they can give themselves an uppercut when the realise how stupid they were ??
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Post by: D4D on September 08, 2020, 06:55:54 AM
Interesting idea to have a broader range of health professionals develop the plan rather than just the government's appointed health professionals. This will only be the tip of the iceberg of the flow on effects of lockdown.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2020-former-afl-star-luke-darcys-tragic-admission-in-premier-daniel-andrews-interview/news-story/ea65a2e1e1e60eb91a95957237f9353f (https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2020-former-afl-star-luke-darcys-tragic-admission-in-premier-daniel-andrews-interview/news-story/ea65a2e1e1e60eb91a95957237f9353f)
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Post by: Bird on September 08, 2020, 10:15:43 AM
“The signs, the data, the doctors, they tell us really clearly that if we open up too much too soon, it’ll get away from us and we won’t be open for too long,” he said.
its happened before.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 08, 2020, 12:50:50 PM
“The signs, the data, the doctors, they tell us really clearly that if we open up too much too soon, it’ll get away from us and we won’t be open for too long,” he said.
its happened before.

I'd prefer some independent review/oversight/expertise rather than just taking the word of the government paid health professionals. After all the evidence suggests they were unable to manage a simple quarantine process. There also needs to be a balance of thinking with regard to all future health challenges rather than just focussing on the virus itself.
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Post by: plusnq on September 08, 2020, 01:09:04 PM
I'd prefer some independent review/oversight/expertise rather than just taking the word of the government paid health professionals. After all the evidence suggests they were unable to manage a simple quarantine process. There also needs to be a balance of thinking with regard to all future health challenges rather than just focussing on the virus itself.

In my experience it usually isn't a medical problem but a political problem. The advice will usually be sound but actual recommended policy is watered down to meet some political ends of the government of the day, whomever they are.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 08, 2020, 01:45:08 PM
In my experience it usually isn't a medical problem but a political problem. The advice will usually be sound but actual recommended policy is watered down to meet some political ends of the government of the day, whomever they are.

Yup, hit the nail on the head and hence my point of independent review/oversight/expertise.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 09, 2020, 01:49:34 PM
This is going to get interesting
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-victoria-brett-sutton-says-he-did-not-recommend-curfew/news-story/43e246ebaf7e5a63286084209d0f0291 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-victoria-brett-sutton-says-he-did-not-recommend-curfew/news-story/43e246ebaf7e5a63286084209d0f0291)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on September 09, 2020, 02:31:48 PM
This is going to get interesting
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-victoria-brett-sutton-says-he-did-not-recommend-curfew/news-story/43e246ebaf7e5a63286084209d0f0291 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-victoria-brett-sutton-says-he-did-not-recommend-curfew/news-story/43e246ebaf7e5a63286084209d0f0291)

Very,very interesting, Brett Sutton might be out of a job
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: moeite on September 09, 2020, 03:36:06 PM
Very,very interesting, Brett Sutton might be out of a job

If he does end up out of a job it'll be another case of shooting the messenger.

Andrew and Sutton, et al. can only go on the best advice they can get. If that advice says that an effective tool to combat a rapidly rising incidence of COVID-19 is to have a curfew then common sense would tell you to implement it. Andrews and Sutton are in the position of having to follow credible advice whether or not their personal opinion differs. What I have taken from all of the stuff I've read is that Andrews and Sutton didn't want a curfew but the advice was that it should be implemented and so we have a curfew.

You can bet they have so much "advice" from people who are qualified to give it, as well as people who aren't, that sorting the good from the bad is a big job in itself. You can also bet that the shock jocks of this world do not have access to very much of the advice at all, apart from that coming from the rabble, but they need to get a hook into the listeners/readers/viewers.

Reporting facts seems to have fallen by the wayside leaving us, the poor consumer, to sort the wheat from the chaff and there is such a lot of chaff compared to the wheat.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 09, 2020, 03:58:43 PM
Andrew and Sutton, et al. can only go on the best advice they can get.

And that's the point, Dan has always said every rule was by advice/order of the CHO, appears that's not the case. Dan did mention VicPol in his answer, I would assume this has come from Lisa Neville (Police Minister effectively in charge of the state during state of disaster). So we are in a police state with no oversight and no medical reason for the curfew...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 09, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
So slowing the spread (which is working) is not a good enough reason? ****ed if i want to go through this lock down Shit again, but we all know it will happen once the flood gates open again ...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: moeite on September 09, 2020, 06:03:19 PM
And that's the point, Dan has always said every rule was by advice/order of the CHO, appears that's not the case. Dan did mention VicPol in his answer, I would assume this has come from Lisa Neville (Police Minister effectively in charge of the state during state of disaster). So we are in a police state with no oversight and no medical reason for the curfew...

And Sutton has a heap of advice from real experts saying that a curfew is the way to go even if he doesn't think so. What does he tell Andrews ? Of course he tells him that the overwhelming advice is in favour of a curfew, of course. Neville would have had a heap of advice regarding the effects of a curfew too.

Neville, as with Sutton, are only a conduit for the advice from experts who by and large remain in the background. These experts are from relevant government departments, public safety experts, universities, etc. Sutton and Andrew are likewise conduits for the advice to get to us, the public.

Bear in mind that there is no modern precedent for our leaders to base anything on. All they have is a lot, and I mean a LOT, of expert advice.  None of our government ministers are experts but are being advised by people who are.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 09, 2020, 06:15:27 PM
So slowing the spread (which is working) is not a good enough reason? ****ed if i want to go through this lock down Shit again, but we all know it will happen once the flood gates open again ...

The 5km radius rule is already in place as is no visitors to your house. What 'slowing the spread' benefit/use case is there that isn't already enforceable? To be honest I'm not fussed with the curfew as I am old and tucked up in bed during those times. However it is an overbearing rule that creates bad optics for Dan and demonstrates he and his experts only have a hammer solution and are only looking at a one dimensional solution.

We're also kidding ourselves to think this virus isn't going to get away again. That's why we need options to live with it, not lock the world down for the next few years until we find a vaccine. Interesting fact is that vaccines are not totally effective and therefore we can expect community transmission even with a vaccine. The case numbers Dan is talking about for the last few stages are actually less than what a vaccine will provide.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on September 09, 2020, 06:59:30 PM
Does anyone else see the irony of having a "roadmap" to recovery when we've only got a 5km limit?

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 10, 2020, 03:16:43 AM
I reckon, by now, if I was Andrews.

I would've arranged to be able to move to Qld. (Would you go anywhere else?)

Then, with no warning at a press conference, just go postal, but in a very controlled and quiet manner.

Fine, you don't want a curfew.... lifted, do what ya want.
You don't want to wear masks, don't then, do what ya want.
You don't want a 5 klm travel ban...... lifted, do what ya want.
You don't like how I've handled everything..... fine..... you handle it.
You think i'm the biggest drop kick ever..... fine, put in someone else.... or you handle it ya self.

You can all go take a flying fukk at a rolling donut..... i'm done.

Then just get up, and quietly walk out saying, no questions please, you bastards already have all the answers.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on September 10, 2020, 07:03:41 AM
The Qld Govt. have no sympathy.
Not allowing 4 kids in to see their father before he dies of cancer.

Yet let’s a whole bunch of AFL hangers on, rich people on boats who lie on their applications, movie stars in to the state no questions asked.

Annastacia Alphabet was asked about it in Parliament yesterday and her response was disgraceful.


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 10, 2020, 09:58:28 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers
I would've arranged to be able to move to Qld. (Would you go anywhere else?)
I can see many many families selling up in Victoria and moving interstate if we ever come out of this...
There'll be little to no jobs, companies will pick and choose who they want and how little they want to pay
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 10, 2020, 09:59:26 AM
The Qld Govt. have no sympathy.
Not allowing 4 kids in to see their father before he dies of cancer.

Yet let’s a whole bunch of AFL hangers on, rich people on boats who lie on their applications, movie stars in to the state no questions asked.

Annastacia Alphabet was asked about it in Parliament yesterday and her response was disgraceful.
Just read that..
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/border-restrictions-mark-keans-told-to-choose-which-child-to-visit-him-in-hospital-with-cancer/news-story/f637ad2ff7a4990f5b1516dda980b64e (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/border-restrictions-mark-keans-told-to-choose-which-child-to-visit-him-in-hospital-with-cancer/news-story/f637ad2ff7a4990f5b1516dda980b64e)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: brickiematt on September 10, 2020, 10:16:48 AM
I can see many many families selling up in Victoria and moving interstate if we ever come out of this...
There'll be little to no jobs, companies will pick and choose who they want and how little they want to pay
I agree. No one will want to invest in Victoria, companies will move their HQ's interstate, we'll be destroyed.
I am a parochial Victorian, and was a proud Melbournian, but not any more. I hate the
fu#$en place.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 10, 2020, 10:21:33 AM
I can see many many families selling up in Victoria and moving interstate if we ever come out of this...
There'll be little to no jobs, companies will pick and choose who they want and how little they want to pay

That's been my point all along with the current 'roadmap', it needs a different approach than lockdown everything. The vaccine companies are saying it will take years and it won't be totally effective, and not everybody will get it. Hence we need to develop a strategy that balances the risk, and provides independent oversight and inclusion from all areas of health, science and industry.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on September 10, 2020, 10:30:35 AM
The Chief Commissioner was just interviewed on 3aw and said police were not consulted over the curfew, he found out about it 2 hrs before it was announced to the public.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 10, 2020, 10:40:41 AM
The Chief Commissioner was just interviewed on 3aw and said police were not consulted over the curfew, he found out about it 2 hrs before it was announced to the public.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/752952310985175040/cJQqFLPb.jpg)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on September 10, 2020, 10:59:40 AM
Expect the legality of the curfew and subsequent fines issued to be scrutinized.
Time for a statement from the Attorney general.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on September 10, 2020, 02:18:52 PM
So what. Since when did the police make the laws, regulations, and the likes that govern what and how we are supposed to behave. I thought that was the governments job. The police are there to enforce those. You want them to be making it as they go, have your police state.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on September 10, 2020, 02:27:22 PM
Have sent a request to the publishers of the Oxford Dictionary to add a meaning to a word.  That word is downplayed. Apparently Donald Duck Trump didn't lie to America about how bad Covid19 is. Knowing it was bad he just downplayed it as he didn't want them to know. But then this might just be fake news.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 10, 2020, 02:31:27 PM
So what. Since when did the police make the laws, regulations, and the likes that govern what and how we are supposed to behave. I thought that was the governments job. The police are there to enforce those. You want them to be making it as they go, have your police state.

FYI - under the current 'state of disaster', VicPol currently do make the laws and regulations. Lisa Neville can do whatever she wants without any government oversight, that's why Dan wanted to extend the state of disaster 12 months.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: hainess on September 10, 2020, 02:48:30 PM
I can see many many families selling up in Victoria and moving interstate if we ever come out of this...

They then move back to victoria after "enduring"  1 queensland summer.
Most have gone by easter.
A month ago i had a convo with a couple from Mt Gambier. We were at the Alpha van park at the time.
Their daughter had moved to Hervey bay. They were considering retiring to the bay.
Great weather, he said. Never gets cold like down south.
My advice was to spend February and march at Hervey bay then see what you think before selling up in Mt Gambier.
Rod.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 10, 2020, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: hainess
They then move back to victoria after "enduring"  1 queensland summer.
Most have gone by easter.
A month ago i had a convo with a couple from Mt Gambier. We were at the Alpha van park at the time.
Their daughter had moved to Hervey bay. They were considering retiring to the bay.
Great weather, he said. Never gets cold like down south.
My advice was to spend February and march at Hervey bay then see what you think before selling up in Mt Gambier.
plenty of other areas/regions/states and places where there will be work and not 38 in summer..

Smart states will take the initiative to offer companies incentives to move their operations out of Victoria and they will take it in droves.. I bet the planning has already begun.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on September 10, 2020, 03:04:07 PM
I'll stand corrected on that if that is the case, but still thinks the big deal being made over a curfew is blown out of proportion. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on September 10, 2020, 03:20:42 PM
FYI - under the current 'state of disaster', VicPol currently do make the laws and regulations. Lisa Neville can do whatever she wants without any government oversight, that's why Dan wanted to extend the state of disaster 12 months.
No they don't.

Many of the powers police are using pre-exiisted COVID
The Chief Health Officer makes directions under the Health and Wellbeing Act. State of Emergency / Disaster allows this to occur.  The offence of breaching any directions appears in that Act.

Police enforce those directions.
Bugger all extra powers for police.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 10, 2020, 03:34:26 PM
No they don't.

Many of the powers police are using pre-exiisted COVID
The Chief Health Officer makes directions under the Health and Wellbeing Act. State of Emergency / Disaster allows this to occur.  The offence of breaching any directions appears in that Act.

Police enforce those directions.
Bugger all extra powers for police.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/state-of-emergency-vs-state-of-disaster-whats-the-difference/news-story/4272617a2d3b6e42ed232de52d21e131 (https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/state-of-emergency-vs-state-of-disaster-whats-the-difference/news-story/4272617a2d3b6e42ed232de52d21e131)

Whereas the CHO was the big dog in a state of emergency, in a state of disaster it’s Police and Emergency Services Minister Lisa Neville.

The declaration of a state of disaster gives the Police Minister responsibility for directing and co-ordinating the activities of all government agencies
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on September 10, 2020, 04:38:07 PM
All current restrictions including curfew have been issued by the CHO as part of State of Emergency.  I don't think Lisa Neville has used any powers so far.

Also don't equate the Police Minister and the Police force as the same thing.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 10, 2020, 04:38:40 PM
from a cop, or from news.com.au :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 10, 2020, 04:52:44 PM
from a cop, or from news.com.au :D

If you had read the article the quotes were from University of Sydney Professor of Constitutional Law Anne Twomey

All current restrictions including curfew have been issued by the CHO as part of State of Emergency.

That's not what Sutton said yesterday :)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hoyks on September 10, 2020, 05:45:15 PM
Smart states will take the initiative to offer companies incentives to move their operations out of Victoria and they will take it in droves.. I bet the planning has already begun.

Smart...Have you seen the other premiers?  ??? ???

In other news, if/when we get a vaccine: Bugger the vulnerable, young people first.

https://www.sciencealert.com/young-people-should-be-amongst-the-first-to-receive-the-covid-19-vaccine-experts-argue (https://www.sciencealert.com/young-people-should-be-amongst-the-first-to-receive-the-covid-19-vaccine-experts-argue)

When you read their logic, it does actually make sense.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 10, 2020, 05:49:45 PM
Quote from: Hoyks
Smart...Have you seen the other premiers?  ??? ???
:'( sadly you are right
BUt on the flip side - Im a genius, i should be premier....
checklist
- good at bullShitting while keeping a straight face
- good at lying while keeping a straight face
- good at corruption  while keeping a straight face
- good at coverups while keeping a straight face
- good at telling the lemmings why I deserve a 15% payrise over 1minute, while they have to fight for 1% over 5 yrs and give up their lunchbreaks and sickys while keeping a straight face
- Have no common sense or logic

well was on a winner till the end...

Quote
When you read their logic, it does actually make sense.
like italy - let the old fend and die off ??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on September 10, 2020, 06:15:42 PM

That's not what Sutton said yesterday :)
Have a read of this https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/stay-at-home-directions-restricted-areas-no-14-covid-19-pdf
Particularly the last paragraph.  Not his name and signature, but in short "the buck stops here."
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 10, 2020, 06:26:49 PM
Have a read of this https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/stay-at-home-directions-restricted-areas-no-14-covid-19-pdf
Particularly the last paragraph.  Not his name and signature, but in short "the buck stops here."

Still not what Sutton said yesterday :)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 10, 2020, 07:38:56 PM
And now the Queensland Chief Health Officer comes out stating that if you are bring money to Queensland she will find exemptions to get you into the State, otherwise you can stay out of Queensland or you can cover the full expense of seeing your dying father, some $20k.   

Not quite sure what finances you bring to the State has to do with Health but there you go.   

'We need every single dollar in our state'
By Rebeka Powell15:32
Dr Young has defended the decision to grant exemptions to sport players, athletes and entertainers because of the economic benefits.
"Anyone can come into Queensland who has got a reason to come in that meets one of our requirements. So, anyone can come to Queensland if they wish to see a dying relative or, indeed, a dying close friend," she said.
"Then the next part of that exemption is what they need to do when they come and that is the same.
"I have given class exemptions to people in the sporting industry for a whole range of codes because it is important that we start that work, but they all go into quarantine.
"I have given exemptions for people in entertainment and film because that is bringing a lot of money into this state and, can I say, we need every single dollar in our state."




Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on September 10, 2020, 09:03:29 PM
They(qld gov) have seariously lost the plot.

This F&%$ing virus has divided Australia.
:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 11, 2020, 10:54:59 AM
This'll be interesting

https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6920277/20-second-covid-19-test-to-be-launched-today/

https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6920277/20-second-covid-19-test-to-be-launched-today/ (https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6920277/20-second-covid-19-test-to-be-launched-today/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on September 11, 2020, 12:03:25 PM
This'll be interesting

https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6920277/20-second-covid-19-test-to-be-launched-today/

https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6920277/20-second-covid-19-test-to-be-launched-today/ (https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6920277/20-second-covid-19-test-to-be-launched-today/)
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Beachman on September 11, 2020, 12:27:21 PM
Guarantee testing rates increase dramatically as it’s non evasive which is a bonus unlike the swab up your nose trying to feel your brain and instant results.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 11, 2020, 01:48:06 PM
Quote from: Beachman
unlike the swab up your nose trying to feel your brain and instant results.

I keep hearing this fallacy - but its the biggest load of Shit ever
when I had the test, they swabbed inside my nose, but no more than ya finger goes in..
3 swabs
1 poke in each nostril
1 wipe of ya tongue

and off ya go.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on September 11, 2020, 02:11:23 PM
I keep hearing this fallacy - but its the biggest load of Shit ever
when I had the test, they swabbed inside my nose, but no more than ya finger goes in..
3 swabs
1 poke in each nostril
1 wipe of ya tongue

and off ya go.

Yep, no where near as invasive or uncomfortable as some people seem to think. All over and done in a few seconds.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on September 11, 2020, 02:14:40 PM
You might have been lucky on got a gentle one Birdman .. Have it on good authourity from my niece and several co -worker mates of mine  that reckon if they have to get tested again theyre quitting work .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on September 11, 2020, 02:21:55 PM
You might have been lucky on got a gentle one Birdman....

The sight of Bird would be enough to ensure they'd be gentle..... :P :P

 :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on September 11, 2020, 02:39:44 PM
I keep hearing this fallacy - but its the biggest load of Shit ever
when I had the test, they swabbed inside my nose, but no more than ya finger goes in..
3 swabs
1 poke in each nostril
1 wipe of ya tongue

and off ya go.

Then I wish your people had trained my people, they really went to town on me and my wife. Up your schnoz to scrape you brain and then right into the back of the gullet till you gagged, yet when the daughter was done they were gentle as, little rub in the nose and a wipe in the mouth?

Maybe you got the kiddies version  >:D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Beachman on September 11, 2020, 04:12:10 PM
I keep hearing this fallacy - but its the biggest load of Shit ever
when I had the test, they swabbed inside my nose, but no more than ya finger goes in..
3 swabs
1 poke in each nostril
1 wipe of ya tongue

and off ya go.

My neighbor is an ER Doctor we were talking about how some people get a blood nose because the swab has gone up so far and others can’t even feel it.

He said unless the swab goes to the very back of the nose where the juicy wet mucus is, then your at a high risk of getting a false reading.  As he said better to be uncomfortable once then have to return to do it again.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on September 11, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
Yep, I’ve had 2 tests and they certainly went down looking for my cranial fluid, and had fun to see how load I would gag.
The first test the nurse asked which nostril I wanted the swab from, I chose left as the right is a bit  bend after breaking the nose back in the footy days. The second time, before I could say anything she was down the right side of the snoz and hurt like hell
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 13, 2020, 09:36:07 AM
This is going to get interesting...

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-australia-live-victoria-qld-nsw-covid19-updates/live-coverage/83611a9336634b811a4f83f4b29a1432#60121 (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-australia-live-victoria-qld-nsw-covid19-updates/live-coverage/83611a9336634b811a4f83f4b29a1432#60121)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on September 13, 2020, 10:19:53 AM
Its surprizing that someone hasnt put  Rule 303 into practice  or some other opposition this sort of enforcement . . What with all the heightened domestic viorlence, anxiety, depression and a zillion other disorders and substance use, that all this lockdown / china virus bombardment is causing ..
Just lucky Aussies are pretty laid back  and not too excitable .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on September 13, 2020, 11:32:17 AM
This is going to get interesting...

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-australia-live-victoria-qld-nsw-covid19-updates/live-coverage/83611a9336634b811a4f83f4b29a1432#60121 (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-australia-live-victoria-qld-nsw-covid19-updates/live-coverage/83611a9336634b811a4f83f4b29a1432#60121)
I don't see why, she refused to produce her driver's license on request and refused to give her name and address.
That is instant arrest Everytime.
Then refused to get out of her car.
Silly woman.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 13, 2020, 11:51:23 AM
I don't see why, she refused to produce her driver's license on request and refused to give her name and address.
That is instant arrest Everytime.
Then refused to get out of her car.
Silly woman.

In the court of public opinion the use of force was disproportionate to the offence committed. If the officer can't manage/keep his cool in this situation what hope does he have with a serious offender. It also perpetuates Dan's police state optics. Not a good look for the rest of the force who are doing a great job under the circumstances.

I'd also like a legal view on whether you need to present your driver's license and or name/address when requested. I didn't think you had to.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on September 13, 2020, 12:08:39 PM




I'd also like a legal view on whether you need to present your driver's license and or name/address when requested. I didn't think you had to.
Yes you do.
It is an offence to refuse, hence the power of arrest until identify is established.
The use of force appeared appropriate to the resistance.
The copper was loud, but had to be, to be heard above her.
But agree, not a good look, but policing never is when you only see a small percentage of what really went on.



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Post by: Bad Scott on September 13, 2020, 12:13:43 PM
I would like to see my parents come Xmas. I haven't seen them for well over 12 months. 

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Post by: #jonesy on September 13, 2020, 12:25:28 PM
 :D
I'd also like a legal view on whether you need to present your driver's license and or name/address when requested. I didn't think you had to.
Driving a car yep. Everytime.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 13, 2020, 12:43:22 PM
The cops do a pretty good job of keeping their cool in.... shall we say.... testing times.

The retards who want to go down the "I don't have to tell you" street, should be prepared for what follows.

Its a wonder a cop hasn't shot some imbecile yet.
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Post by: corndog on September 13, 2020, 12:52:32 PM
Did  I just see right? Had to look twice. France records 10,000 new cases of covid19 in the past 24 hours.
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Post by: D4D on September 13, 2020, 12:56:24 PM
:DDriving a car yep. Everytime.
Interesting, I thought you had 24 hours to present it to the nearest police station if you aren't carrying ID?

Did  I just see right? Had to look twice. France records 10,000 new cases of covid19 in the past 24 hours.
Yep and the Tour de France is still going. Dan's head explodes.

I would like to see my parents come Xmas. I haven't seen them for well over 12 months. 
x2
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Post by: D4D on September 13, 2020, 01:04:17 PM
Official VicPol response to the video. It is still a pretty extreme use of force considering everything that is going on. In the right or not maybe the officer should have asked a superior to step in.

Police are aware of a video circulating on social media where a woman was arrested at a police checkpoint.
Police arrested a 29-year-old woman after she allegedly refused to provide her details and driver’s licence at a checkpoint in Kalkallo just before 6pm on Saturday (12 September).
The checkpoints between metropolitan Melbourne and regional Victoria are an important component in stopping the spread of Coronavirus.
Police spoke to the female driver at the checkpoint in relation to her mobile phone obstructing her view due to its position on the windscreen and explained that this was an offence.
The woman refused to remove her phone from the windscreen.
When asked for her name and address, the woman refused to supply her details which is an offence under Section 59 of the Road Safety Act. When asked to produce her driver’s licence, the woman also refused, which is also an offence under Section 59 of the Road Safety Act.
The woman was warned that if she did not provide her details, she would be arrested.
She still refused and was asked by police to get out of her car. When she refused this request, she was taken from the car by officers and taken into custody.
The Wallan woman was later released and is expected to be charged on summons with driving with obscured vision, fail to produce licence, fail to state her name and address, resist arrest, assault police and offensive language.
Victoria Police reminds all drivers that the Road Safety Act requires that they must state their name and address and produce their driver’s licence when requested to do so by a police officer.
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Post by: alnjan on September 13, 2020, 01:17:42 PM
Yes you do.
It is an offence to refuse, hence the power of arrest until identify is established.
The use of force appeared appropriate to the resistance.
The copper was loud, but had to be, to be heard above her.
But agree, not a good look, but policing never is when you only see a small percentage of what really went on.



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The worst look is when Police attempt to physically arrest (particularly a young female) and try to make it look 'nice'.   It just doesn't happen.   
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Post by: DarWen on September 13, 2020, 01:26:39 PM
The reality is if she didn't have the phone right in front of her face she probably would have been waved straight through.   

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Post by: Bird on September 13, 2020, 02:16:57 PM
its simplel... your being arrested.. just play ball

otherwise - skys the limit as far as im concerned.you resist, you deserve everything you cop.. cock or no cock.
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Post by: Bad Scott on September 13, 2020, 02:27:57 PM
its simplel... your being arrested.. just play ball

otherwise - skys the limit as far as im concerned.you resist, you deserve everything you cop.. cock or no cock.
You're not above the law. Respect it.

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Post by: Kangaron on September 13, 2020, 03:57:36 PM
The reality is if she didn't have the phone right in front of her face she probably would have been waved straight through.   
Or more than likely if she had been civil and produced her licence as requested, warned re the phone and on her way.

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Post by: Kangaron on September 13, 2020, 04:01:02 PM


Interesting, I thought you had 24 hours to present it to the nearest police station if you aren't carrying ID?

That is a discretion the copper has, if you are civil and appear to have a valid excuse.





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Post by: #jonesy on September 13, 2020, 04:26:46 PM
That is a discretion the copper has, if you are civil and appear to have a valid excuse.
7 days,  Reasonable excuse,.  Except P L or under 26 and a few.other ones.  BUT still have to state name and address.
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Post by: D4D on September 13, 2020, 04:28:11 PM
7 days,  Reasonable excuse,.  Except P L or under 26 and a few.other ones.  BUT still have to state name and address.

:police: :cheers:
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Post by: Kangaron on September 13, 2020, 04:38:41 PM
7 days,  Reasonable excuse,.  Except P L or under 26 and a few.other ones.  BUT still have to state name and address.

Guess I've been out of the loop too long, Thanks Jonesy.
Was thinking D4D, what every happended to Fuji?
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Post by: doc evil on September 13, 2020, 04:39:27 PM
Official VicPol response to the video. It is still a pretty extreme use of force considering everything that is going on. In the right or not maybe the officer should have asked a superior to step in.

Police are aware of a video circulating on social media where a woman was arrested at a police checkpoint.
Police arrested a 29-year-old woman after she allegedly refused to provide her details and driver’s licence at a checkpoint in Kalkallo just before 6pm on Saturday (12 September).
The checkpoints between metropolitan Melbourne and regional Victoria are an important component in stopping the spread of Coronavirus.
Police spoke to the female driver at the checkpoint in relation to her mobile phone obstructing her view due to its position on the windscreen and explained that this was an offence.
The woman refused to remove her phone from the windscreen.
When asked for her name and address, the woman refused to supply her details which is an offence under Section 59 of the Road Safety Act. When asked to produce her driver’s licence, the woman also refused, which is also an offence under Section 59 of the Road Safety Act.
The woman was warned that if she did not provide her details, she would be arrested.
She still refused and was asked by police to get out of her car. When she refused this request, she was taken from the car by officers and taken into custody.
The Wallan woman was later released and is expected to be charged on summons with driving with obscured vision, fail to produce licence, fail to state her name and address, resist arrest, assault police and offensive language.
Victoria Police reminds all drivers that the Road Safety Act requires that they must state their name and address and produce their driver’s licence when requested to do so by a police officer.


It is a sorry state of affairs (pun ::) ) where VicPol have to justify their job/actions to appease the social media police..............
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Post by: D4D on September 13, 2020, 04:41:12 PM
Was thinking D4D, what every happended to Fuji?

He's taken up country life
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Post by: Kangaron on September 13, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
He's taken up country life

anywhere near me?
3472
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Post by: JusyApples on September 13, 2020, 05:04:43 PM
In the court of public opinion the use of force was disproportionate to the offence committed. If the officer can't manage/keep his cool in this situation what hope does he have with a serious offender. It also perpetuates Dan's police state optics. Not a good look for the rest of the force who are doing a great job under the circumstances.

I'd also like a legal view on whether you need to present your driver's license and or name/address when requested. I didn't think you had to.
You have to state your name and address prior to COVID. So whether it was covid or not an offence was committed.

Do a week in a police officer’s shoes putting up with these knobs day in and day out. This is the generation of privileged idiots who think they are above the law.


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Post by: D4D on September 13, 2020, 05:11:49 PM
anywhere near me?
3472

Nope, north east, not as far out as you
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Post by: D4D on September 13, 2020, 06:03:08 PM
Do a week in a police officer’s shoes putting up with these knobs day in and day out. This is the generation of privileged idiots who think they are above the law.

I am not debating that she was an idiot, I am suggesting there was a better way to manage the situation. The use of force was disproportionate to the offence. Basic training is to stay calm and to manage the situation, not resort to what is essentially violence. The officer should have removed himself from the situation and called a female officer or superior over. Instead we now have an escalated situation plastered all over the daily news. How would you feel if your wife/mother/sister was treated that way?
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Post by: doc evil on September 13, 2020, 06:14:53 PM
I am not debating that she was an idiot, I am suggesting there was a better way to manage the situation. The use of force was disproportionate to the offence. Basic training is to stay calm and to manage the situation, not resort to what is essentially violence. The officer should have removed himself from the situation and called a female officer or superior over. Instead we now have an escalated situation plastered all over the daily news. How would you feel if your wife/mother/sister was treated that way?

I'd be appalled at her actions not Mr Plods ..............A simple, legal request, she ignored and suffered the consequences. It is obvious she wanted to "troll" herself.

Again, VicPol should not have to justify their job/actions to appease you, me or the social media!!
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Post by: edz on September 13, 2020, 07:28:18 PM
Some interesting reading ... https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/find-legal-answers/police-powers-and-your-rights/speaking-to-police (https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/find-legal-answers/police-powers-and-your-rights/speaking-to-police) .
 Of interesting note .... Police cannot direct you to move on if you are demonstrating about a political issue or taking part in employment strike action.
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Post by: discoteddy on September 13, 2020, 08:31:39 PM
I am not debating that she was an idiot, I am suggesting there was a better way to manage the situation. The use of force was disproportionate to the offence. Basic training is to stay calm and to manage the situation, not resort to what is essentially violence. The officer should have removed himself from the situation and called a female officer or superior over. Instead we now have an escalated situation plastered all over the daily news. How would you feel if your wife/mother/sister was treated that way?


Ok then I guess she can choose who arrests her?

Nope he did the right thing, his response was proportional and required.


Oh and I know who I married, I’m also quite fond of my mother and sister, all three are ladies.  The observed behaviour certainly is more than foreign to them.

Cheers

Discoteddy
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Post by: JusyApples on September 13, 2020, 08:52:23 PM
I am not debating that she was an idiot, I am suggesting there was a better way to manage the situation. The use of force was disproportionate to the offence. Basic training is to stay calm and to manage the situation, not resort to what is essentially violence. The officer should have removed himself from the situation and called a female officer or superior over. Instead we now have an escalated situation plastered all over the daily news. How would you feel if your wife/mother/sister was treated that way?
You can’t be serious?
Why would he remove himself. He is a police officer, she committed an offence. If that was my wife/mother/sister I would tell them they are idiots.
But they don’t break the law so it’s not an issue.


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Post by: alnjan on September 13, 2020, 10:14:53 PM
Interesting, I thought you had 24 hours to present it to the nearest police station if you aren't carrying ID?


That only applies in Qld.   Other States you are supposed to have your Driver's License with you at all time you are driving.   But Officers digression may apply, but that usually works with a compliant person.   
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Post by: Bird on September 13, 2020, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: doc evil
Again, VicPol should not have to justify their job/actions to appease you, me or the social media!!
exactly... "social" media is the biggest scourge on society...i most dont even realize it.
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Post by: xcvator on September 13, 2020, 10:52:26 PM
She's had her 30 seconds of fame,yesterdays news,  next please
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Post by: D4D on September 14, 2020, 06:07:51 AM
She's had her 30 seconds of fame,yesterdays news,  next please

Ask and you shall receive
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/shocking-new-video-victoria-police-stomp-mans-head/news-story/94b63f8a7633f1c03c914f696a85aae3 (https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/shocking-new-video-victoria-police-stomp-mans-head/news-story/94b63f8a7633f1c03c914f696a85aae3)
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Post by: D4D on September 14, 2020, 06:43:30 AM
You can’t be serious?
Why would he remove himself. He is a police officer, she committed an offence.

Yep, based on the video, a good lawyer, it won't even get to court and the charges will be dropped.
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Post by: brickiematt on September 14, 2020, 09:13:08 AM
Yep, based on the video, a good lawyer, it won't even get to court and the charges will be dropped.
That's the thing that gets me. She said she goes through that checkpoint everyday on her way to work. Does she film it every day just in case this situation arises, or was she just spoiling for a fight this particular day and  felt she needed a little infamy in her life.
Whatever, she got what she deserved. Just do as your asked. Simples.
I do not envy the job of VicPol members at the moment, and I commend them for the job they are doing
Stay safe peoples.
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Post by: Bird on September 14, 2020, 09:22:03 AM
Quote from: xcvator
She's had her 30 seconds of fame,yesterdays news,  next please


Oh no, all the morning shows have her live this morning.. the poor victim...
Shes probably got a manager by now, and a "Reality" show on the books.

The only reason she will get off is which side the media takes - which should be the bacon, but  it wont be... That doesnt sell to the lemmings
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Post by: D4D on September 14, 2020, 09:22:52 AM
Melbournians it's time to celebrate, we get to use playgrounds again and our time outside up from 1 hour to 2 hours. Maybe one day we might even be able to go to Bunnings again...
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Post by: #jonesy on September 14, 2020, 09:33:04 AM
Melbournians it's time to celebrate, we get to use playgrounds again and our time outside up from 1 hour to 2 hours. Maybe one day we might even be able to go to Bunnings again...
I'm hanging out for a Bunnings sausage. When that happens I know I'm free
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Post by: D4D on September 14, 2020, 09:38:32 AM
I'm hanging out for a Bunnings sausage. When that happens I know I'm free

You're never free, I heard that Dan is planning to use Bunnings sausages as a way to implant the vaccine and trackers into Victorians ;D :angel: >:D
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Post by: brickiematt on September 14, 2020, 01:14:45 PM
Melbournians it's time to celebrate, we get to use playgrounds again and our time outside up from 1 hour to 2 hours. Maybe one day we might even be able to go to Bunnings again...
Don't forget, we can also now be out until.9pm. Awesome, that'll fix everything.
Now if only I could find some work then I'd really feel free...
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Post by: corndog on September 14, 2020, 04:14:58 PM
Get the video.  Find when the record button was pressed. She is in a car, in the drivers seat, keys in the ignition,  more than likely the car is running. Add the charge of using a mobile phone while driving. Is just another suitable charge and fine she desirves. Best bit is she supplied the evidence.
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Post by: xcvator on September 14, 2020, 05:13:26 PM
Not necessarily right but understanding after what she has said and treated people from Australia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/coronavirus-queensland-records-zero-new-cases-second-consecutive/12650210 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/coronavirus-queensland-records-zero-new-cases-second-consecutive/12650210)
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Post by: Pete79 on September 14, 2020, 05:18:05 PM
Are you for real...
Death threats are understandable???
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Post by: xcvator on September 14, 2020, 07:00:34 PM
Are you for real...
Death threats are understandable???

In this day and age, yes I am, when you tell people that if they have big money they are welcome, but if not pick which 1 of 4 kids get to see their dying father, you can't  go to a relatives funeral but you can go to the funeral parlour afterwards. Film stars are allowed in but not people from covid free areas.Footballers are allowed in, but not Joe blow.

People get frustrated and some feel they have to lash out.

I didn't say it was right, I said it was understandable
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Post by: tryagain on September 14, 2020, 07:17:27 PM
The reason she has copped it is because Anastasia Palaszczuk has dropped her in it. The Chief Health Officer  isn't an elected position, it not her Job to make decisions, it's her job to advise the government on health issues, as there would be people who job it is to advise on a whole range of issues like the economy, tourism etc.

It's the government's job to take the advice of all the different experts and then make decisions, but  Anastasia Palaszczuk isn't saying I have made this decision on the advise of the Chief Health Officer's advice, she is just saying it's the Chief Health Officer's decision.
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Post by: Bird on September 14, 2020, 07:24:33 PM
Quote from: xcvator
Film stars are allowed in but not people from covid free areas.Footballers are allowed in, but not Joe blow.
this is where the outrage should be aimed... directly there... Average people without money are being fuked.

wonder how much this season has cost the AFL....
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Post by: Pete79 on September 14, 2020, 07:50:38 PM
you can't  go to a relatives funeral but you can go to the funeral parlour afterwards.

As usual, there’s 2 sides to every story.
Just depends on how many papers/subscriptions you need to sell or what political points you need to score at the time.....

 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/grieving-daughter-prime-minister-funeral-coronavirus-queensland/12662534 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/grieving-daughter-prime-minister-funeral-coronavirus-queensland/12662534)
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Post by: rags on September 14, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
As usual, there’s 2 sides to every story.
Just depends on how many papers/subscriptions you need to sell or what political points you need to score at the time.....



Yep and whether the paper folds to the left or the right.
I like the fact that the PM had compassion, must be a father thing.
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Post by: xcvator on September 14, 2020, 08:28:26 PM
As usual, there’s 2 sides to every story.
Just depends on how many papers/subscriptions you need to sell or what political points you need to score at the time.....

 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/grieving-daughter-prime-minister-funeral-coronavirus-queensland/12662534 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/grieving-daughter-prime-minister-funeral-coronavirus-queensland/12662534)

BULLSHYTE these things have happened or is it all false news
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Post by: Pete79 on September 14, 2020, 09:38:03 PM
I like the fact that the PM had compassion, must be a father thing.
It’s not genuine compassion, it’s all just more pathetic political games.

From the article;
Quote
“My photo, photos of the funeral, a very private moment [were] splashed all over the media, which I thought was just completely inappropriate and really upset me."

Ms Prendergast said it was "unfortunate" individuals felt like they needed to raise issues about border exemptions with politicians and the media to seek a quarantine exemption.

"I think these stories, they're so personal, they're so private, and I think that's part of the reason they're used as a political tool — because they really do pull at the heartstrings — but it's so unfair to put somebody who's going through such a hard time already through the public eye," she said.

"My main issue with raising this in public is actually Scott Morrison [who] provided the time and the location of the funeral, which facilitated a lot of the media coverage, so I guess for me that really is the turning point," she said.

"Previous to that, I don't know that the location was actually announced anywhere."

Ms Prendergast said she thought Mr Morrison was picking and choosing between cases he singled out.

She said her maternal grandmother also died recently.

"Her death and visitation rights of her children have been completely, completely differently treated — not only in the media, but by the Government," Ms Prendergast said.

"Her children didn't get any exemptions by the Prime Minister, they didn't get any intervention by the Prime Minister, and I think it's really disappointing to see that the Prime Minister is able to pick and choose who he would like to facilitate an exemption for.

"I think it's really difficult when these inconsistencies are highlighted by the media. It makes all of those other families and those people that can't get exemptions feel really like they've been cheated."

As the news article above clearly shows, this Queensland family is extremely upset that their grief has been used as a political tool.
They have specificity said that this unwanted media attention has made a very sad situation much, much worse for them.

Now, it’s rather surprising to see that the members on here who so viciously attacked everyone else about their apparent lack of compassion for Victorians not so long ago are the same ones getting involved in a Queensland specific situation and contributing to this family’s grief...
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Post by: camdyson on September 14, 2020, 09:43:18 PM
I'm hanging out for a Bunnings sausage. When that happens I know I'm free

When they put the onion on TOP of the sausage you know you’re free. Until then, it’s just an illusion....
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Post by: alnjan on September 14, 2020, 11:36:39 PM
As usual, there’s 2 sides to every story.
Just depends on how many papers/subscriptions you need to sell or what political points you need to score at the time.....

 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/grieving-daughter-prime-minister-funeral-coronavirus-queensland/12662534 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/grieving-daughter-prime-minister-funeral-coronavirus-queensland/12662534)


Funny how she accuses the PM for Politicising her families plight when in reality the PM had a private conversation with the Premier, who makes it public and political in State Parliament by raising the matter and accusing the PM of 'bullying' her.  PM is damned if he and damned if doesn't.     Unfortunately for the Constitution doesn't allow the PM to have the 'power and control' some think he has.   In this matter, like the Bush Fires, it was the State Premiers making  all the calls.   Here we have Premiers going completely against what the PM and his Federal advises have advised him and we have a Premier saying it was not her call but the Chief Medical Officer.   So just who is running the State of Queersland?   The Premier or the CMO
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Post by: bkim on September 15, 2020, 01:28:48 AM
I notice the media don't report how many people have been allowed in for funerals!

I was at a funeral a week ago for an old friend, and his daughter, son in law and granddaughter were there, and had come from Canberra, they knew his death was coming, and had submitted an application over 4 weeks ago, and went into voluntary quarantine at home and all got tested before flying to Townsville and went into self isolation here for another 10 days with another test at the end, they were allowed to go to the funeral without any issues and are still here.

I have another friend who is just starting treatment for pancreatic cancer and her daughter was allowed to come from Sydney a month ago.

A good friend of mine is a medical specialist in Brisbane, her opinion is the same as the QLD branch of the AMA, based on best practice following what has happened around the world, they consider the current border closure and travel rules are the correct procedure, she also said the media is being very selective in reporting the true version of events!

On TV tonight, there was a couple in Canberra who want to come to Brisbane, but wont' because they will have to quarantine in a hotel, they won't come because they might contract corona virus in the hotel! quite frankly they are not going to let everybody design their own travel regulations!

Maybe if the PM wishes to improve his his PR image, he can fix the nursing home issue, where they dropped the ball a few years ago!
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Post by: Brij on September 15, 2020, 06:33:57 AM
As usual, there’s 2 sides to every story.
Just depends on how many papers/subscriptions you need to sell or what political points you need to score at the time.....

 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/grieving-daughter-prime-minister-funeral-coronavirus-queensland/12662534 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/grieving-daughter-prime-minister-funeral-coronavirus-queensland/12662534)

I'm confused.

She writes a "scathing" letter to the Premier which is read in parliament, but says the Prime Minister is the one who politicised the issue?
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Post by: 2Strokeit on September 15, 2020, 08:02:18 AM
I'm confused.

She writes a "scathing" letter to the Premier which is read in parliament, but says the Prime Minister is the one who politicised the issue?
Maybe you read the article to quickly..
Sarah Caisip had travelled from Canberra, which has been declared a COVID-19 hotspot by Queensland Health.
She was eventually allowed out of mandatory hotel quarantine to attend a private viewing after the funeral service had ended, having written a scathing letter to Ms Palaszczuk, which was tabled in State Parliament.

The daughter is complaining about the media spotlight brought about by the sister in law going to the media stamping her feet while having a hissy fit.. her middle name is Karen perhaps?
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Post by: Bird on September 15, 2020, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: bkim
, she also said the media is being very selective in reporting the true version of events!
Gee that would never happen....
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on September 15, 2020, 09:52:37 AM
On a positive note, there were no recorded deaths in Vic today

GG
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on September 15, 2020, 10:17:22 AM
The worst look is when Police attempt to physically arrest (particularly a young female) and try to make it look 'nice'.   It just doesn't happen.

These days in Vic, they don't bother trying to make it look nice LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/footage-shows-the-man-being-struck-by-a-police-car./12663386?nw=0 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/footage-shows-the-man-being-struck-by-a-police-car./12663386?nw=0)
https://www.facebook.com/YeminiReport/videos/1127120671017070/ (https://www.facebook.com/YeminiReport/videos/1127120671017070/)
https://7news.com.au/news/vic/pubgoers-mortified-as-victorian-police-officer-restrains-man-by-the-neck-c-1085015 (https://7news.com.au/news/vic/pubgoers-mortified-as-victorian-police-officer-restrains-man-by-the-neck-c-1085015)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUOoRiI8HVU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUOoRiI8HVU)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 15, 2020, 10:28:04 AM
These days in Vic, they don't bother trying to make it look nice LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/footage-shows-the-man-being-struck-by-a-police-car./12663386?nw=0 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-14/footage-shows-the-man-being-struck-by-a-police-car./12663386?nw=0)
https://www.facebook.com/YeminiReport/videos/1127120671017070/ (https://www.facebook.com/YeminiReport/videos/1127120671017070/)
https://7news.com.au/news/vic/pubgoers-mortified-as-victorian-police-officer-restrains-man-by-the-neck-c-1085015 (https://7news.com.au/news/vic/pubgoers-mortified-as-victorian-police-officer-restrains-man-by-the-neck-c-1085015)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUOoRiI8HVU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUOoRiI8HVU)
yes they do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6SMGrIaals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6SMGrIaals) still cracks me up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2lCnMmZYo4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2lCnMmZYo4) 1min 55... GOLD
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Post by: tryagain on September 15, 2020, 11:36:57 AM
It’s not genuine compassion, it’s all just more pathetic political games.

I actually heard him talking about it and think in this one instance it was, he originally went direct to AP to see what she could do, he didn't go public. I think it probably has to do with him losing his Dad earlier this year. It was AP who originally tried to politicise their exchange to claim she was being bullied, to continue tapping into the "us vs them" mentality many in QLD (and WA) have. This was an own goal, not many were going to feel sorry for her about being "bullied", any sympathy was going to go towards her missing out on her Dads funeral, and SM tried to help by phoning AP, but she said no.

They have since said they are upset that it has been made a political issue that turned into a media circus, and rightly so, I think assuming the media only rocked up because SM told them the date and time is a bit naive though, but he also shouldn't have publicised it.   



On a separate note, the comparison between people not being able to make it to see dying loved ones and AFLers/movie stars isn't exactly valid either, they are isolating here for two weeks which anyone can do, it's that in a lot of cases people don't have two weeks left to live, it's a terrible look for the QLD government on the surface of it, but something they don't seem to be able to adequately communicate.

There are valid questions people have thought about the heartbreak some are experiencing that seems to be based on some pretty shaky rationale, one of the two reasons the QLD Cheif Health Officer gave that Ms. Caisip from the ACT wasn't allowed into QLD, firstly see her dying father, and then to his funeral after he died was "The other part is, you might remember there were a lot of cases in Batemans Bay, and a lot of Canberrans have weekend residences they go to in Batemans Bay." Now that outbreak was contained weeks beforehand. If that is one of the best reasons they have for excluding people who come from a state that hasn't seen a case for over 150 day's, you can be pretty sure they are trying to harness the "us vs them" mentality as a re-election tactic.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on September 15, 2020, 03:55:15 PM
yes they do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6SMGrIaals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6SMGrIaals) still cracks me up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2lCnMmZYo4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2lCnMmZYo4) 1min 55... GOLD

haha, that was you at 3:50 eh? Cool dance moves...
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Post by: Bird on September 15, 2020, 03:57:33 PM
haha, that was you at 3:50 eh? Cool dance moves...
na thts keithy... and speewa after that LMAO
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on September 15, 2020, 05:24:31 PM
On a positive note, there were no recorded deaths in Vic today

GG
That's gotta to be a good thing.
:)
Just maybe there is light at the end ofthe tunnel for you guys.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 15, 2020, 05:37:05 PM
Quote from: Hairs
That's gotta to be a good thing.
Yep.. its where they were aiming for... but lets see how the week goes first.  All teh deadShits will expect things to go back to normal tomorrow.

Quote
Just maybe there is light at the end ofthe tunnel for you guys.
until the minute they open the flood gates, everyone will go back to normal, and it will spread again like a fart in a tornado.
I hope they dont fall for the minority who dont think it will happen.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on September 15, 2020, 05:41:57 PM
Wont take much to kick off again.
I hope for all guys, it works.
Take care.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on September 16, 2020, 06:10:49 AM
Quote
On a separate note, the comparison between people not being able to make it to see dying loved ones and AFLers/movie stars isn't exactly valid either, they are isolating here for two weeks which anyone can do

Thats true, but.............

Everyone else must isolate where they're are told to, and are restricted to their rooms with minimal free movement.
The footballers were allowed to go to a luxury resort and have free run of the place with unrestricted movement within the complex to use the pool etc. The real aggravation in the community is that the footballers (and associated hangers-on) have been caught at least 4 times breaching the so called "strict" isolation rules by leaving the quarantine area to go to night clubs, day spa's, and theme parks, with no visible repercussions.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Beachman on September 16, 2020, 08:23:27 AM
With the ALF finial being played in Brisbane we were going to try and get the tickets seeing it will be the only times this ever happens, but chatting to my neighbour who is a Dr and said quite a few fellow Dr’s believe having 35 000 in the stadium could be Queensland’s version of the Ruby Princess or the Hotel debacle.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on September 16, 2020, 10:51:01 AM
Thats true, but.............

Everyone else must isolate where they're are told to, and are restricted to their rooms with minimal free movement.
The footballers were allowed to go to a luxury resort and have free run of the place with unrestricted movement within the complex to use the pool etc. The real aggravation in the community is that the footballers (and associated hangers-on) have been caught at least 4 times breaching the so called "strict" isolation rules by leaving the quarantine area to go to night clubs, day spa's, and theme parks, with no visible repercussions.

Yeah, part of me almost wishes one of them tested positive at the end of the quarantine period, meaning they would then have to quarantine for at least another 14 days  >:D and you are right, claiming you are strong on borders and also then claiming a win for getting the AFL grand final is all undermined by a few people doing the wrong thing. It's a very fine line to walk, I think those inconstitancies will form a large part of the attack campain the LNP uses in what is shaping up to be a presedential style state election.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 16, 2020, 11:17:37 AM
Quote from: Beachman
With the ALF finial being played in Brisbane we were going to try and get the tickets seeing it will be the only times this ever happens, but chatting to my neighbour who is a Dr and said quite a few fellow Dr’s believe having 35 000 in the stadium could be Queensland’s version of the Ruby Princess or the Hotel debacle.
Anything is possible.... Does everyone going to go the game have to be pre-tested?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 16, 2020, 02:17:34 PM
More evidence of making the rules up as they go along...

Victoria Police has unveiled a harsh new fine ahead of tonight's easing of restrictions in regional Victoria.

There are fears the rule change – which will come into effect at midnight tonight – will spark a mass exodus of Melburnians attempting to flee their locked down city, which could see coronavirus cases spread to country areas.

But Deputy Commissioner, Regional Operations Rick Nugent has announced a raft of measures to stop rulebreakers in their tracks.

There will be an increased police presence on the roads with officers checking cars and vehicles towing campervans and boats as well as keeping an eye on venues – but the biggest deterrent will likely be a brand new, "huge" $4957 fine for the fresh offence of "failure to comply with a requirement to remain in a restricted area".

Deputy Commissioner Nugent said the fine would apply to every adult within a vehicle – so if a family was caught breaking the rules, for example, both parents would be slapped with individual fines.

"That is quite a significant fine and clearly aimed to deter people from the Melbourne metro area," he said.
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Post by: xcvator on September 16, 2020, 03:13:54 PM
More evidence of making the rules up as they go along...

Victoria Police has unveiled a harsh new fine ahead of tonight's easing of restrictions in regional Victoria.

There are fears the rule change – which will come into effect at midnight tonight – will spark a mass exodus of Melburnians attempting to flee their locked down city, which could see coronavirus cases spread to country areas.

But Deputy Commissioner, Regional Operations Rick Nugent has announced a raft of measures to stop rulebreakers in their tracks.

There will be an increased police presence on the roads with officers checking cars and vehicles towing campervans and boats as well as keeping an eye on venues – but the biggest deterrent will likely be a brand new, "huge" $4957 fine for the fresh offence of "failure to comply with a requirement to remain in a restricted area".

Deputy Commissioner Nugent said the fine would apply to every adult within a vehicle – so if a family was caught breaking the rules, for example, both parents would be slapped with individual fines.

"That is quite a significant fine and clearly aimed to deter people from the Melbourne metro area," he said.


Ah Victoria, a fine state to be in  >:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on September 16, 2020, 03:23:20 PM
So have the police made up this rule, I wouldn't have thought that the police  have that power, they enforce the laws that parliament make, so where did this come from then?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 16, 2020, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: D4D
There are fears the rule change – which will come into effect at midnight tonight – will spark a mass exodus of Melburnians attempting to flee their locked down city

Does anyone honestly believe this wont happen? Honestly?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on September 16, 2020, 04:18:13 PM
So have the police made up this rule, I wouldn't have thought that the police  have that power, they enforce the laws that parliament make, so where did this come from then?
No, they were chosen to announce it.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on September 16, 2020, 07:39:38 PM
Thats true, but.............

Everyone else must isolate where they're are told to, and are restricted to their rooms with minimal free movement.
The footballers were allowed to go to a luxury resort and have free run of the place with unrestricted movement within the complex to use the pool etc. The real aggravation in the community is that the footballers (and associated hangers-on) have been caught at least 4 times breaching the so called "strict" isolation rules by leaving the quarantine area to go to night clubs, day spa's, and theme parks, with no visible repercussions.

And don’t forget the staff of these resorts are coming and going from work , mixing in the general community.
Not sure what the risks are but I’m sure there would be some risk
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 18, 2020, 09:04:18 AM
Interesting change to some of the 'first step' rules. Cut a long story short, my bike was in for repair when Dan dropped stage 4 restrictions on us effective that day. It has been sitting at the bike shop unable to be collected for the last few months as it is more the 5km away from my house. Based on the new wording I called the 'COVID hotline' yesterday for a ruling. After an escalation to a supervisor they said I could go and pick up my bike as long as it was a point to point trip and I followed all COVID safe guidelines.

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/shopping-retail-personal-services-metropolitan-melbourne-first-step-covid-19#can-bicycle-repair-or-maintenance-stores-operatenbsp (https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/shopping-retail-personal-services-metropolitan-melbourne-first-step-covid-19#can-bicycle-repair-or-maintenance-stores-operatenbsp)

Can bicycle repair or maintenance stores operate?
Bicycles are considered vehicles and customers are permitted to seek urgent repairs. If the nearest repair or maintenance store is more than 5km from your home, you may travel outside the 5km zone to access these services. Bicycle repair and maintenance stores may operate for repairs and critical maintenance only. This should operate as ‘drop off and collect’ service to minimise face-to-face interaction.
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Post by: GeoffA on September 18, 2020, 09:30:45 AM
http://www.velovid.com/bicycle-repairman-monty-pythons-flying-circus/ (http://www.velovid.com/bicycle-repairman-monty-pythons-flying-circus/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 18, 2020, 09:57:43 AM
Quote from: D4D
"That is quite a significant fine and clearly aimed to deter people from the Melbourne metro area," he said.[/i]

It didnt work..... about a trillion $ in fines right there :D out of debt and back to normal
queue at little river
(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.63%2C$multiply_1.3545%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_61/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/6eef988914f5c52bf6fda34ac64ba299bae697c5)
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Post by: Bird on September 18, 2020, 10:11:17 AM
Interesting read

https://www.theage.com.au/national/save-squabbling-until-it-s-over-and-we-ve-partied-ngv-president-says-20200917-p55wl3.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/save-squabbling-until-it-s-over-and-we-ve-partied-ngv-president-says-20200917-p55wl3.html)
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Post by: Bird on September 18, 2020, 02:02:11 PM
Still depends who you are....
Quote

'How is this fair?' Expats furious after Lord Sugar brags of flying into Sydney
By Latika Bourke

Expats locked out of Australia are questioning why a British billionaire television host was allowed to fly into the country when thousands of Australians cannot get home because of the government's travel bans.

Alan Sugar, a British Lord, revealed on Twitter that he had secured one of the estimated 30 seats on an Emirates flight from London to Sydney this week. He subsequently announced he had been announced as the host of Celebrity Apprentice Australia, a reality show being produced by Warner Bros for the Nine Network.
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Post by: GeoffA on September 18, 2020, 03:05:59 PM
Still depends who you are....

Always has, always will.

There are 3 kinds of people in this world.
Those who count, and those who don't...
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 18, 2020, 04:44:20 PM
Money talks..... peasants walk.

Been happening since the beginning of time.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 21, 2020, 04:49:03 PM
Some common sense...

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-police-order-law-professor-and-elderly-mother-to-keep-walking/news-story/d367e6c4e05b48b45b673fdc5b9f0cec (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-police-order-law-professor-and-elderly-mother-to-keep-walking/news-story/d367e6c4e05b48b45b673fdc5b9f0cec)

She suggests Victoria Police and the state government have lost sight of the ultimate purpose of the restrictions, which is to stop COVID-19 transmission.

Instead, the rules are being enforced for the rules’ sake – even if there is clearly no risk.

“If there is a person in a park without a mask on and there’s no one within a kilometre, for God’s sake, let it go,” she said.
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Post by: Pete79 on September 21, 2020, 05:20:52 PM
Some common sense...
That was actually one of the most balanced and non hyped up stories I’ve read out of VIC in months.

Everyone (except the token Liberal guy talking to Sky News) made great arguments and actually used some common sense in their logic.
That’s a pretty rare news article these days.













Unfortunately I don’t expect poor old Frank to have a job at news Corp for much longer unless he gets a few more Sky quotes and hyperbole thrown in his stories from now on.... ;)

 https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/news-corp-slammed-for-unbalanced-reporting-on-victorian-premier-as-poll-shows-majority-supports-him (https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/news-corp-slammed-for-unbalanced-reporting-on-victorian-premier-as-poll-shows-majority-supports-him)
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Post by: #jonesy on September 21, 2020, 07:36:15 PM
Or maybe the coppers were doing the right thing.....

If you ladies keep walking, then you are still exercising.

Win, win. 

and the people who bitch about the police not doing their job, won't have anything to complain about.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on September 21, 2020, 07:39:35 PM
Some common sense...

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-police-order-law-professor-and-elderly-mother-to-keep-walking/news-story/d367e6c4e05b48b45b673fdc5b9f0cec (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-police-order-law-professor-and-elderly-mother-to-keep-walking/news-story/d367e6c4e05b48b45b673fdc5b9f0cec)

She suggests Victoria Police and the state government have lost sight of the ultimate purpose of the restrictions, which is to stop COVID-19 transmission.

Instead, the rules are being enforced for the rules’ sake – even if there is clearly no risk.

“If there is a person in a park without a mask on and there’s no one within a kilometre, for God’s sake, let it go,” she said.

Very true, was told very early that every person encountered is a potential jurer.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on September 21, 2020, 07:50:37 PM
How to cope?
Do the right thing, don't be a dick, don't think you are special, simples.
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Post by: Bird on September 21, 2020, 09:54:26 PM
How to cope?
Do the right thing, don't be a dick, don't think you are special, simples.
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 22, 2020, 07:35:40 AM
How to cope?
Do the right thing, don't be a dick, don't think you are special, simples.

It's actually not that 'simples' to 'cope' if you live in MEL. Lots of 'advice' coming from people who live in other states who have no grasp on what the current 'rules' are doing to people and communities because they are not living through it. Our family is fortunate that we currently both still have jobs and only our routine has changed. A number of people I know in my network have lost jobs, businesses, families and more. They are living with that stress every minute whilst having to sit and wait at 'home' until the 'rules' are changed before they can do anything about it. Consider being supportive rather than flippant next time you post.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on September 22, 2020, 07:53:28 AM


Consider being supportive rather than flippant next time you post.
People believe they have a right, entitlement and think they know better.

And BTW I have been supportive.


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: brickiematt on September 22, 2020, 08:45:32 AM
It's actually not that 'simples' to 'cope' if you live in MEL. Lots of 'advice' coming from people who live in other states who have no grasp on what the current 'rules' are doing to people and communities because they are not living through it. Our family is fortunate that we currently both still have jobs and only our routine has changed. A number of people I know in my network have lost jobs, businesses, families and more. They are living with that stress every minute whilst having to sit and wait at 'home' until the 'rules' are changed before they can do anything about it. Consider being supportive rather than flippant next time you post.
Well said Jamie.
It is very very tough for many people, even more so now we have been further divided from regional Victoria.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: brickiematt on September 22, 2020, 08:46:31 AM
People believe they have a right, entitlement and think they know better.

And BTW I have been supportive.
Yes you have Hairs, and it is appreciated mate
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Post by: #jonesy on September 22, 2020, 11:10:23 AM
It is tough.
I'm lucky I go to work, wear a mask all day long and then go home.  No there outside interaction.

My wife's work has slowed down a bit, and is working from home. The management committee has now decided everyone is on job keeper, including her.  Some are doing Zero hours. For her job keeper covers 2 days pay.  She is still doing a lot more than that.

Kids are doing home schooling which is okay, except they and every school kid is slowly falling behind where they would otherwise be.

I have friends whose business has virtually stopped, but don't qualify for job keeper.   

Another one who told me she had not been outside her house in 2 days. I don't mean out of her property, but out the door.  In normal times I would suggest she has some serious issues and needs help.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 22, 2020, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: #jonesy
Kids are doing home schooling which is okay, except they and every school kid is slowly falling behind where they would otherwise be.
this lots... daughters school they have a chat in morning for hour, then teacher points to work and pisses off. "if you need help, email me"... to which they rarely get a reply until tomorrow
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Brij on September 22, 2020, 08:08:31 PM
this lots... daughters school they have a chat in morning for hour, then teacher points to work and pisses off. "if you need help, email me"... to which they rarely get a reply until tomorrow

And yet my wife (in her second year as a teacher at 50 years old) starts making video presentations for her kids at 7am, has at least one group video conference with her class every day, and numerous smaller group video conferences throughout the day.

She finishes about 5pm, then is back on computer after tea until about 9pm making more presentations, and pictorials, and generally lots of fun activities to try to help keep the kids engaged while they suffer through this home schooling saga.

In summary, it is not good for teachers or students. The school holidays have come just in time as I have started to worry about her well being. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on September 22, 2020, 09:39:57 PM
My kids school has been good as well (year 7+9), but online vs in person are miles apart.
You just can't deliver as much in the same time.
Plus no real hands on.  Eg year 9 science/ chemistry.

I have a couple of friends who are teachers and they.have some students they haven't seen online at all.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 23, 2020, 07:28:00 AM
Ignoring the rhetoric, the data points are very interesting
https://www.smh.com.au/national/covid-19-has-hammered-home-some-uncomfortable-truths-about-us-as-a-people-20200915-p55vrb.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/covid-19-has-hammered-home-some-uncomfortable-truths-about-us-as-a-people-20200915-p55vrb.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on September 23, 2020, 10:49:33 AM
And yet my wife (in her second year as a teacher at 50 years old) starts making video presentations for her kids at 7am, has at least one group video conference with her class every day, and numerous smaller group video conferences throughout the day.

She finishes about 5pm, then is back on computer after tea until about 9pm making more presentations, and pictorials, and generally lots of fun activities to try to help keep the kids engaged while they suffer through this home schooling saga.

In summary, it is not good for teachers or students. The school holidays have come just in time as I have started to worry about her well being.
my wife is a pre-school teacher (in Sydney) and is diabetic and asthmatic. So she is high risk. Back in March/April, because they didn't "officially" close the schools down... she was given a choice by her employer (a local council).

work and be paid... or stay at home (with their blessing). And not be paid.

after much heart wrenching we were ready to redo our home budget to allow her to stay home and be safe. But her immediate manager went to bat for her and got her 2 weeks working from home (paid) leading into the school holidays. Then two weeks of school holidays (UNPAID... thank you Penrith City Council), then another 4 weeks working from home (paid again)

she spent every day, from 7.30am to 7.30pm, on zoom chats with groups of kids, with individual kids and recording herself reading books to them, then Zoom meetings with parents in groups and individually and with her co workers.

She was, in the end, happy to go back to work... and thankfully by then, the main wave in Sydney had passed slightly.

end of this week, she is on (forced) "holidays" again for two weeks. (as always... without pay) And... as always... she'll spend most of the "holidays" doing advance prep work for when she goes back.

nope... I wouldn't be a teacher for quits.
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Post by: tedota on September 23, 2020, 12:16:00 PM
Agree. Teachers, nurse, and coppers. Underpaid and shown no respect.
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Post by: Troopy_03 on September 23, 2020, 03:23:48 PM
Agree. Teachers, nurse, and coppers. Underpaid and shown no respect.

I think that's a bit of a broad statement. I'm sure that the greater percentage of people do appreciate the, at times, difficult job that anyone who has to deal with the general public has.
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Post by: ronmac on September 23, 2020, 03:52:07 PM
I think that's a bit of a broad statement. I'm sure that the greater percentage of people do appreciate the, at times, difficult job that anyone who has to deal with the general public has.


Totally agree, It's not just one specificent trade that's suffering, we are all in the same position some of the last comments are self  centered  seeking. I'm in a position far worse, as are a lot of other members, snap out of it and face reality. cheers Ron
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Post by: bmwfreak on September 23, 2020, 05:14:31 PM
Ignoring the rhetoric, the data points are very interesting
https://www.smh.com.au/national/covid-19-has-hammered-home-some-uncomfortable-truths-about-us-as-a-people-20200915-p55vrb.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/covid-19-has-hammered-home-some-uncomfortable-truths-about-us-as-a-people-20200915-p55vrb.html)

Apparently Chris Uhlmann has a deeper insight into the ongoing health issues caused by Covid than lots of ‘experts’. Yes it kills the elderly, if they have pre-existing health issues, but to say ‘ Because now we know much more about the disease and, while it is a serious illness, it is a whole lot less frightening than it is made out to be.’ is utter crap. There have been Numerous cases where a sufferer has ‘recovered’, but 2-3 months after their ‘recovery’ they are still unable to perform, physically, as well as pre Covid infection. Nobody at this point in time knows what the long term effect is going to be for those young healthy people who caught it. An example -  https://elemental.medium.com/the-long-term-health-impacts-of-being-infected-with-the-coronavirus-d3a03f3cb6e8 (https://elemental.medium.com/the-long-term-health-impacts-of-being-infected-with-the-coronavirus-d3a03f3cb6e8)
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Post by: Bird on September 23, 2020, 05:41:55 PM
Apparently Chris Uhlmann has a deeper insight into the ongoing health issues caused by Covid than lots of ‘experts’. Yes it kills the elderly, if they have pre-existing health issues, but to say ‘ Because now we know much more about the disease and, while it is a serious illness, it is a whole lot less frightening than it is made out to be.’ is utter crap. There have been Numerous cases where a sufferer has ‘recovered’, but 2-3 months after their ‘recovery’ they are still unable to perform, physically, as well as pre Covid infection. Nobody at this point in time knows what the long term effect is going to be for those young healthy people who caught it. An example -  https://elemental.medium.com/the-long-term-health-impacts-of-being-infected-with-the-coronavirus-d3a03f3cb6e8 (https://elemental.medium.com/the-long-term-health-impacts-of-being-infected-with-the-coronavirus-d3a03f3cb6e8)
I reckon the highest 'liked' comment says a lot

'So easy to be wise after the event. If Victoria had just let it rip and many thousands died you would have been criticising the government for not doing enough.'
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Post by: Hairs on September 23, 2020, 06:22:32 PM


I reckon the highest 'liked' comment says a lot

'So easy to be wise after the event. If Victoria had just let it rip and many thousands died you would have been criticising the government for not doing enough.'

Mate, it's a no win.
I for one wouldn't want to be a Polly in government(State, Fed)atm.

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Post by: bmwfreak on September 23, 2020, 06:32:17 PM
Another of ‘professor’ Uhlmann’s statements / stats re the Spanish flu, is selective at best. The Spanish flu ran for more than two years (we’re only living through the ninth month of covid) with the first wave being disregarded as a slightly different influenza. The second wave however was the killer. https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence (https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence)
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Post by: Bird on September 23, 2020, 07:15:54 PM

Mate, it's a no win.
I for one wouldn't want to be a Polly in government(State, Fed)atm.
x a 200series with a Shit airfilter system killing engines.
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Post by: Hairs on September 23, 2020, 07:19:34 PM
Had to think for a second.
Ehehe Cheers
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Post by: tryagain on September 24, 2020, 12:05:55 AM
I don't think Chris's broader point can be as easily dismissed as some would like. We haven't begun to see the full financial pain caused by the pandemic due to the money the federal government has been pumping out, but this can't last forever.
We basically have placed a massive bet on Keynesian economics that we hope will pay off. If it doesn't though, the health effects of the virus on society will likely pale into insignificance in comparison to the economic effects of the response that are yet to come.

I think it's hard not to contrast the "second wave" experienced between that in Vic, and that in NSW and QLD though. Sure the latter two have had the advantage of seeing what has happened in Vic first, but they have successfully employed the sharp and targeted tool of contact tracing and quarantining cases to suppress the virus, which was always the strategy here in Australia, whereas the Vic government failed in this most fundamental part of the response and therefore has had to use the very blunt and indiscriminate tool of hard lock downs to suppress it, which has then also had the additional flow on effects of longer and stronger border closures across the rest of the country as well.
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Post by: D4D on September 24, 2020, 06:17:15 AM
I don't think Chris's broader point can be as easily dismissed as some would like. We haven't begun to see the full financial pain caused by the pandemic due to the money the federal government has been pumping out, but this can't last forever.
We basically have placed a massive bet on Keynesian economics that we hope will pay off. If it doesn't though, the health effects of the virus on society will likely pale into insignificance in comparison to the economic effects of the response that are yet to come.

I think it's hard not to contrast the "second wave" experienced between that in Vic, and that in NSW and QLD though. Sure the latter two have had the advantage of seeing what has happened in Vic first, but they have successfully employed the sharp and targeted tool of contact tracing and quarantining cases to suppress the virus, which was always the strategy here in Australia, whereas the Vic government failed in this most fundamental part of the response and therefore has had to use the very blunt and indiscriminate tool of hard lock downs to suppress it, which has then also had the additional flow on effects of longer and stronger border closures across the rest of the country as well.

Spot on!
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Post by: D4D on September 27, 2020, 09:27:53 AM
More twists and turns than a theme park ride... Transcripts don't lie though...
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/tapes-solve-the-mystery-of-victorias-covid-hotel-whodunit/news-story/68067f4af991a8dc15a962c5173a8283 (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/tapes-solve-the-mystery-of-victorias-covid-hotel-whodunit/news-story/68067f4af991a8dc15a962c5173a8283)
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Post by: #jonesy on September 27, 2020, 09:44:23 AM
More twists and turns than a theme park ride... Transcripts don't lie though...
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/tapes-solve-the-mystery-of-victorias-covid-hotel-whodunit/news-story/68067f4af991a8dc15a962c5173a8283 (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/tapes-solve-the-mystery-of-victorias-covid-hotel-whodunit/news-story/68067f4af991a8dc15a962c5173a8283)
Still doesn't really say whose idea it was, or who had the final say..  Only that Ashton had a preference for security..
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Post by: xcvator on September 27, 2020, 09:54:59 AM
More twists and turns than a theme park ride... Transcripts don't lie though...
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/tapes-solve-the-mystery-of-victorias-covid-hotel-whodunit/news-story/68067f4af991a8dc15a962c5173a8283 (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/tapes-solve-the-mystery-of-victorias-covid-hotel-whodunit/news-story/68067f4af991a8dc15a962c5173a8283)

Like making jam, just let it simmer away and the scum keeps coming to the top
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on October 02, 2020, 01:21:15 PM
Work have sent home care packages for the kids today, a great little pick me up for the young ones that have been stuck at home since March in Greater Melbourne.

Hope all Melbourne Swaggers are doing ok in these crazy times, hoping for the restrictions to ease again soon for some fredom.

GG
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Post by: D4D on October 02, 2020, 01:35:15 PM
Work have sent home care packages for the kids today, a great little pick me up for the young ones that have been stuck at home since March in Greater Melbourne.

Nice gesture. My son was so excited when I told him he was going to back to in person school in a week. I should have a wager with the wife at how long it is before he wants to go back to online learning.
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Post by: Bird on October 02, 2020, 02:02:38 PM
its ****tards like this that will continue to spread pain....
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-s-daily-covid-19-tally-back-in-single-digits-with-seven-new-cases-two-deaths-20201002-p561a5.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-s-daily-covid-19-tally-back-in-single-digits-with-seven-new-cases-two-deaths-20201002-p561a5.html)
franga...........
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on October 02, 2020, 02:42:33 PM
Nice gesture. My son was so excited when I told him he was going to back to in person school in a week. I should have a wager with the wife at how long it is before he wants to go back to online learning.

Will be good when they can get back, unfortuantly for my two they are still in limbo with no time frame for return. At least with the younger ones getting back to school some parents will get a rest, and the education will begin again. I also feel for the teachers at least their workload will be reduced with face to face teaching.

GG
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Post by: KeithB on October 02, 2020, 04:33:52 PM
Looks like the Donald has the Rona.
Keith
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Post by: GeoffA on October 02, 2020, 04:45:32 PM
Work have sent home care packages for the kids today, a great little pick me up for the young ones that have been stuck at home since March in Greater Melbourne.

Hope all Melbourne Swaggers are doing ok in these crazy times, hoping for the restrictions to ease again soon for some fredom.

GG

An old school employer that values its' employees. Nice to see they still exist... :cup: :cup:
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Post by: Hoyks on October 02, 2020, 05:50:34 PM
Looks like the Donald has the Rona.
Keith

And I thought it had better standards than that ???.

I suppose it does also attack the digestive tract, so probably appropriate a walking colon such as himself would get it eventually.
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Post by: Mace on October 03, 2020, 10:57:42 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/hicks-hubris-masks-week-donald-trump-caught-covid (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/hicks-hubris-masks-week-donald-trump-caught-covid)

He does not look well.

White hair, no makeup, looking like the 70 plus years old he is.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=4053067274722609 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=4053067274722609)


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Post by: Marcus73 on October 03, 2020, 02:53:50 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/hicks-hubris-masks-week-donald-trump-caught-covid (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/hicks-hubris-masks-week-donald-trump-caught-covid)

He does not look well.

White hair, no makeup, looking like the 70 plus years old he is.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=4053067274722609 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=4053067274722609)
Is it wrong too giggle a little?


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Post by: corndog on October 03, 2020, 03:40:14 PM
Is it wrong to giggle a lot?
I mean I haven't smiled so much in a long time.
The word karma does jump out at me.
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Post by: Bigfish on October 05, 2020, 07:08:42 AM
Obese, old, unfit, poor diet and according to his tax statements he is not well off!   All add up to a bad conditions if you catch the virus.  Now if he had  no medical cover (like the millions of  poor he wants to take it from) and he was black....his chances of a full recovery would be very low!!!.
Karma is a bitch indeed.. Attending rallies when positive cases have been proven is just plain stupid....Its almost like he wanted to catch the virus.

I feel sorry for those that have inadvertently caught the virus and those that have had friends/family die from it.  Not sorry in the slightest for the dolts who blame 5g, conspiracies and wont listen to the health experts ( exactly the people trump ignored). There will be millions of people around the world laughing at the idiot for his stupidity.
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Post by: Marcus73 on October 05, 2020, 08:51:51 AM
Obese, old, unfit, poor diet and according to his tax statements he is not well off!   All add up to a bad conditions if you catch the virus.  Now if he had  no medical cover (like the millions of  poor he wants to take it from) and he was black....his chances of a full recovery would be very low!!!.
Karma is a bitch indeed.. Attending rallies when positive cases have been proven is just plain stupid....Its almost like he wanted to catch the virus.

I feel sorry for those that have inadvertently caught the virus and those that have had friends/family die from it.  Not sorry in the slightest for the dolts who blame 5g, conspiracies and wont listen to the health experts ( exactly the people trump ignored). There will be millions of people around the world laughing at the idiot for his stupidity.
Amen


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Post by: Bird on October 05, 2020, 09:42:32 AM
Quote from: Marcus73
Amen
x2
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Post by: Kangaron on October 05, 2020, 10:34:00 AM


How many people have lost their lives due to his incompetence?



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Scott Morrison and the Aged Care Stuff up.
Same same.

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Post by: Bird on October 05, 2020, 11:20:28 AM
Weekend at Bernies?

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Before the video was posted, the infected President cruised by supporters in his bulletproof SUV, windows rolled up, driven by Secret Service agents in protective gear who were potentially exposed to the disease that has swept through the White House in recent days.

"This is insanity," tweeted Dr James Phillips, an attending physician at Walter Reed National Military Medical Centre, where Trump has been hospitalised since Friday evening.

US President Donald Trump surprised his supporters gathered outside the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center by riding past in a motorcade.

"Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary presidential 'drive-by' just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. They might get sick. They may die," the doctor wrote. "For political theatre. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theatre."

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/this-is-insanity-sick-with-coronavirus-trump-goes-for-drive-around-hospital-20201005-p5620r.html (https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/this-is-insanity-sick-with-coronavirus-trump-goes-for-drive-around-hospital-20201005-p5620r.html)
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Post by: Bigfish on October 05, 2020, 11:30:11 AM

Scott Morrison and the Aged Care Stuff up.
Same same.

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Scott Morrison wasn't preaching that the virus was under control and would be mostly eliminated by Easter. He also listened to our health experts. Yes,  there were stuff ups BUT no one has seen or handled anything like this before.  A big plus was that the govt took it seriously and shut the borders relatively early compared to the rest of the world. Even now we are way ahead of the world where many countries are still seeing hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths a day.  I,m no fan of Morrisson but at least he used some intellect, listened to the experts and urged people to do the right thing. trump did the complete opposite whilst at the same time trying to get millions kicked off the public health system.  Unprecedented times have shown us what the real trump is made of....Shit and offal.  America is no where out of the woods yet...

And just when you thought he might come to his senses he decides to pull a stunt and organise a car drive....
Quote fro a doctor at the base he is being treated at...

"This is insanity," tweeted Dr James P Phillips, an attending physician at the hospital.

"Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary presidential 'drive-by' just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. They might get sick. They may die.

"For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater."
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Post by: Troopy_03 on October 05, 2020, 08:51:38 PM
Weekend at Bernies?

 :cup: :cup: :cup:

That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw the news report hahahaha...
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Post by: Champin on October 06, 2020, 12:25:59 AM
Pretty funny when you think Donald Trumps opposition is sleepy Joe and the San Fran grand nan.  Wouldn't be at all surprised if the Trumpster wins another term.

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Post by: tryagain on October 06, 2020, 08:40:02 AM

Scott Morrison and the Aged Care Stuff up.
Same same.

This is just a line of attack, and a pretty low and unfounded one at that. I realise that you didn't come up with it but it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Put simply, there have been over 1000 fewer deaths in aged care this year as opposed to the same timeframe last year. If you really want to attribute deaths in aged care to the prime minister, then he should be congratulated.

Aged care has plenty of issues, which the PM acknowledged by calling a Royal Commission into it, but if people want to reduce it down to a death count for political point scoring then by that matrix he has actually done well.

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Post by: NZMarkb on October 06, 2020, 09:45:56 AM
Pretty funny when you think Donald Trumps opposition is sleepy Joe and the San Fran grand nan.  Wouldn't be at all surprised if the Trumpster wins another term.

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Oh you can count on it
They all hate him but the others are no better  ???
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Post by: Bird on October 06, 2020, 09:48:33 AM
Quote from: NZMarkb
They all hate him but the others are no better  ???

like here really.
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Post by: Champin on October 06, 2020, 09:51:02 AM
I don't think they ALL hate him. I think alot of people are reluctant to openly support him because of the negative response it gets.

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Post by: D4D on October 06, 2020, 09:58:01 AM
This is just a line of attack, and a pretty low and unfounded one at that. I realise that you didn't come up with it but it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Put simply, there have been over 1000 fewer deaths in aged care this year as opposed to the same timeframe last year. If you really want to attribute deaths in aged care to the prime minister, then he should be congratulated.

Aged care has plenty of issues, which the PM acknowledged by calling a Royal Commission into it, but if people want to reduce it down to a death count for political point scoring then by that matrix he has actually done well.

x2
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Post by: Bird on October 06, 2020, 11:43:05 AM
considering they pretty much been blocked since March..... be a bit of a backlog..
Driving tests will resume in Melbourne when the city reaches step three reopening target
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By Kate Lahey

The Victorian Government will "turbo charge" its capacity to test learner drivers as the state emerges out of lockdown restrictions, Premier Daniel Andrews has announced.

The government will provide extra assessment centres, begin online testing for learners and offer cheaper testing for Victorians affected by the suspension of tests during the pandemic.

Testing will resume in Melbourne when the city moves to step three on its road map to COVID normal. Depending on new case numbers, that could happen on October 19.

Six more temporary testing sites will open by early next year, creating a total of 12 new sites since June.

Learners are presently able to practise driving in Melbourne if they are leaving home for one of four permitted reasons - for example going to the supermarket or to work – but cannot go out solely for the purpose of driving practice.

They must remain within a five-kilometre radius and driving lessons are still not permitted.
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Post by: Bird on October 06, 2020, 12:45:17 PM
Quote from: TheAlmighty
considering they pretty much been blocked since March..... be a bit of a backlog..
Driving tests will resume in Melbourne when the city reaches step three reopening target

So I just tried 8 Vicroads sites - and there are no vacancies up till January 8th.. it wont let me look past that date.
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Post by: Kangaron on October 06, 2020, 02:17:12 PM
I see that us regional victorian's ( not greater Melbourne or Geelong) can soon travel to the NT. But where are the airports?

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Post by: xcvator on October 06, 2020, 02:33:13 PM
I see that us regional victorian's ( not greater Melbourne or Geelong) can soon travel to the NT. But where are the airports?

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Mildura, Albury,   ;D
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Post by: Kangaron on October 06, 2020, 06:59:17 PM
My thoughts about it all.

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Post by: NZMarkb on October 09, 2020, 07:58:02 AM
I don't think they ALL hate him. I think alot of people are reluctant to openly support him because of the negative response it gets.

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I think your on the money
He didn't win the last one by accident

Mind you over here we're governed by a collision of the losers
Anybody want a second hand prime minister- Little use (read did F all in the last 3 years),
looking for a role with the useless UN like her predecessor. let her have it I say

Sorry maybe I should have posted in daily rant  :D
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Post by: #jonesy on October 10, 2020, 09:49:06 AM

Anybody want a second hand prime minister- Little use (read did F all in the last 3 years),
looking for a role with the useless UN like her predecessor. let her have it I say

I don't know.  She got her head on a large mural in Melbourne.   ???
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Post by: Bird on October 10, 2020, 11:53:13 AM
Quote from: NZMarkb
Anybody want a second hand prime minister- Little use (read did F all in the last 3 years),
I'd take her big toe over anything we have here.
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Post by: jclures on October 17, 2020, 08:51:07 PM
Looks like a lot of New Zealanders liked her.
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Post by: Kangaron on October 17, 2020, 09:22:33 PM
I wouldn't mind her nose full of gold dust

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Post by: GeoffA on October 17, 2020, 09:41:55 PM
I wouldn't mind her nose full of gold dust
...

...or grand pianos...
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Post by: D4D on October 18, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
It looks like Melburnians can go out and play now, as long as it's within 25km...
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Post by: gronk on October 18, 2020, 01:11:50 PM
It looks like Melburnians can go out and play now, as long as it's within 25km...

Play safe and don't abuse it and you all may be allowed out to play with the rest of the world soon !!
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Post by: plusnq on October 18, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Play safe and don't abuse it and you all may be allowed out to play with the rest of the world soon !!

They can already play with Kiwi’s. 😂😂😂😂

Too soon ?
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Post by: Bird on October 18, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: gronk
Play safe and don't abuse it and you all may be allowed out to play with the rest of the world soon !!
thats my big concern. tools having 'we are free' and 'no mask' parties and we end up back to sq 1.
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Post by: GeoffA on October 18, 2020, 07:33:05 PM
Accept the fact that it's here and get on with life, otherwise we might as well be dead....
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Post by: xcvator on October 18, 2020, 08:41:45 PM
Accept the fact that it's here and get on with life, otherwise we might as well be dead....

Yep, living without life is pointless
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Post by: tryagain on October 18, 2020, 09:22:54 PM
thats my big concern. tools having 'we are free' and 'no mask' parties and we end up back to sq 1.

Without trying to get political, there are just as many tools in other states, hopefully, Victoria has got its contact tracing sorted now, both NSW and QLD have had outbreaks, but been able to keep on top of it, I think that is where the real difference has been.
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Post by: Bird on October 22, 2020, 08:07:30 PM
 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

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More cases expected from outbreak in northern suburbs

The health department expects more coronavirus cases to be detected in a growing outbreak in Melbourne’s northern suburbs that has resulted in more than 500 people being told to self-isolate.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on October 24, 2020, 07:19:21 AM
America today reported 77000 new cases. I think we're doing OK. Hopefully a bit more relaxing for us Melburnians tomorrow, the end is getting closer.

Monday my eldest is back at school which is great. A bit of normality for Asha.

Hope all other Vic swaggers are safe as well as the rest of the members throughout the lucky country. 

GG

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Post by: DandyD on October 24, 2020, 07:23:27 AM
Just watching the news. Covid related deaths in the UK are now over 44k.

However, I noticed that any death is recorded as a covid related death if it has happened within 28 days of a positive test.
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Post by: edz on October 24, 2020, 08:35:39 AM
So potentialy could have expired WITH  the Corona virus rather than FROM the Coronavirus .
Also have to put  the 77000 cases into perspective to a degree with the 350.000.000 they have in their population ..
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Post by: D4D on October 26, 2020, 02:59:33 PM
Melburnians are free, well almost...
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Post by: Pete79 on October 26, 2020, 03:02:23 PM
Was awesome to see those numbers this morning.
0 and 0

Hopefully you all get some sort of lives back soon.
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Post by: Robbo on October 26, 2020, 03:02:46 PM
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Post by: GeoffA on October 26, 2020, 03:07:06 PM
Melburnians are free, well almost...

...sorta like being a little bit pregnant I suppose...
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Post by: #jonesy on October 27, 2020, 08:53:51 AM
Finally some freedom.
Sunday hit me pretty hard with no change.  Even a small one would have been better.  Our LGA has been on zero for ages, but still locked down.  Mitchell LGA is rural and has cases on and off but still has freedom.
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Post by: Bird on October 27, 2020, 09:08:11 AM
Doughnut day: Victoria records no new cases, deaths for second day running

Victoria has recorded no new cases of coronavirus and no deaths in the past 24 hours, as Melbourne businesses prepare to open up
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Post by: tryagain on October 27, 2020, 11:42:31 AM
Doughnut day: Victoria records no new cases, deaths for second day running

Victoria has recorded no new cases of coronavirus and no deaths in the past 24 hours, as Melbourne businesses prepare to open up

Time to sell, or use the camper then?
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Post by: Bird on October 27, 2020, 12:05:13 PM
Time to sell, or use the camper then?
Sell.. just need to get somewhere to take some good pics.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on October 27, 2020, 05:28:29 PM
Sell.. just need to get somewhere to take some good pics.
You know where to go

GG

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Post by: Bird on October 27, 2020, 05:40:49 PM
You know where to go

GG

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plenty of people tell me where to go... just not for pics..
was thinking of knockwood....
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Post by: Bad Scott on October 27, 2020, 06:10:10 PM
Better make it an event Bruce

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Post by: Bird on October 27, 2020, 06:25:52 PM
Better make it an event Bruce
Still not sure when we and millions of others trying to cram in there can go...
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Post by: tryagain on October 27, 2020, 06:35:11 PM
I hear farkaway downs is nice this time of year, not to many crowds either, you don't need to win a photography competition, set up well in open space should sell the dream enough.
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Post by: alnjan on October 31, 2020, 08:55:48 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-30/queensland-border-restrictions-open-nsw-vic-explained/12816746 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-30/queensland-border-restrictions-open-nsw-vic-explained/12816746)

Queensland Borders.   If this decision is based on Health, it is about six months late.   The vast majority of Regional NSW has been COVID 19 free for that long, meaning South East Queensland has more COVID 19 and we have a greater chance of getting COVID 19 by going into SEQ.   

Maybe more a case of the Queensland Health does not believe they can handle COVID 19 or a cynical Political ploy.   

Oh well, Dad will be 90 on Monday, hopefully I can get in to see him on Tuesday.   
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Post by: Bird on October 31, 2020, 04:27:04 PM
Wont be long till we are back to sq 1...

Shopping centers with 3-4km queues to get in.
Then you have to fight for god knows how long to find that 1 parking spot that 500 are looking for.
Then you get into the shops, **** knows how insane the queues would be to get to the 2 registers that are open out of 20

local park with kids play ground was standing room only, no masks, people shoulder to shoulder in their dozens..

Roads are FULL heading south and to the beaches..
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Post by: glenm64 on October 31, 2020, 05:03:18 PM


Wont be long till we are back to sq 1...

Shopping centers with 3-4km queues to get in.
Then you have to fight for god knows how long to find that 1 parking spot that 500 are looking for.
Then you get into the shops, **** knows how insane the queues would be to get to the 2 registers that are open out of 20

local park with kids play ground was standing room only, no masks, people shoulder to shoulder in their dozens..

Roads are FULL heading south and to the beaches..

Could see that coming a mile away.
We will shut the WA border before it even opens if things go south again over east.
There's a lot if huffing from politicians about the need to open WA up to the rest off Oz, but most parts off WA's economy is buzzing. The general consensus I get from others is leave it shut(until it affects them personally). Iron ore is booming and sucking up the trades, rental vacancies are lowest since 2008. Shopping centres are full, tourist centres are chockers.
Don't get me wrong, I reckon we are complacent here. It's only a matter of time before it gets in and then it will be a different story.

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Post by: Hairs on October 31, 2020, 05:05:37 PM
People need to stop being self centered Twats.
There are many busting their arses to do what is right, but as usual there are those that believe rules don't apply to them.



   

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on October 31, 2020, 05:08:53 PM
People need to stop being self centered Twats.
There are many busting their arses to do what is right, but as usual there are those that believe rules don't apply to them.
agree
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Post by: Bird on October 31, 2020, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: glenm64
Could see that coming a mile away.
yep.. been saying it for ages... but people everywhere are happy to have blinkers on and if they dont see it it wont happen

Quote
Don't get me wrong, I reckon we are complacent here. It's only a matter of time before it gets in and then it will be a different story.
the reality is - it isnt going to 100% go away, we've known that for a long time.. thats the issue. it isnt 'just a cold' which I still have mates telling me. ::) ::)
but its what to do from here is the 23942830942830942309203498$ question
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Post by: Bird on November 08, 2020, 09:34:04 PM
So what Victorians are allowed to do now

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/what-the-latest-coronavirus-restrictions-mean-for-victorians-20201025-p568bd.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/what-the-latest-coronavirus-restrictions-mean-for-victorians-20201025-p568bd.html)
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Post by: Hairs on November 20, 2020, 04:44:20 PM
Just to put some perspective into the whole Covid thing.
Just heard on 10 News, 30 000 people a week are dying in Europe, Covid.
I can't confirm that number, and  it was also reported(on the idoit box) that 1700 American's a day are dying.

Shit, Australians, we've done good.
Don't complain.





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Post by: bmwfreak on November 21, 2020, 01:16:23 PM
Shit, Australians, we've done good.
Don't complain.

And yet we still get b1tch1ing about border closures???
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Post by: Hairs on November 21, 2020, 05:36:09 PM
And yet we still get b1tch1ing about border closures???
Who remembers the Tic Gate Pacific H/way at New Italy(south of Woodburn nsw)?
You would be stopped, asked where you had come from & where you where going, they would walk around your vehicle, susing it out.
If it was at night, they would shine a torch light into the vehicle.
There was also one between Tabulam and Tenterfield on the Bruxner Highway.
Nobody b1tch about that.

I've just been reminded in another group, the was a Tic Gate on the Summerland H/Way near Whiporie.
Same thing, ever vehicle pulled up.
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Post by: alnjan on November 21, 2020, 09:26:12 PM
Who remembers the Tic Gate Pacific H/way at New Italy(south of Woodburn nsw)?
You would be stopped, asked where you had come from & where you where going, they would walk around your vehicle, susing it out.
If it was at night, they would shine a torch light into the vehicle.
There was also one between Tabulam and Tenterfield on the Bruxner Highway.
Nobody b1tch about that.

I've just been reminded in another group, the was a Tic Gate on the Summerland H/Way near Whiporie.
Same thing, ever vehicle pulled up.

Remember there was one at the Border at Mt Lindsay
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Post by: Spada on November 22, 2020, 07:40:00 AM
Who remembers the Tic Gate Pacific H/way at New Italy(south of Woodburn nsw)?

Same thing, ever vehicle pulled up.

And also the mandatory fruit inspection at the Tweed, every car stopped and searched for fruit until about the 70's. There was the short lived fruit fly inspections when travelling south from North Qld for a few years, but there is a still a mandatory stop and search for southbound traffic on Cape York, and also for everyone entering S.A.

So border inspections are not a new thing, but border closures are.
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Post by: Hairs on November 22, 2020, 07:45:59 AM


So border inspections are not a new thing, but border closures are.
You are right, it is just something we need to deal with.
Not saying I agree with the way it has happened.




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Post by: GeoffA on November 22, 2020, 08:18:07 AM
And also the mandatory fruit inspection at the Tweed, every car stopped and searched for fruit until about the 70's.......

There used to be one of those on the NSW/VIC border at Cann river.
It became an unmanned bin around the early/mid-'70's I think....

 :cheers:

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Post by: Beachman on November 23, 2020, 10:01:40 AM
I was talking with a guy on the weekend whos work involves dealing with Scientists and Geneticists. Very interesting discussion as he said places like the CSRIRO now have the tightest online security in Australia because they are aware certain overseas governments are trying to hack in to see their studies and findings.   

All Western counties are going down the genome track which is basically a very in depth look at how COVID is genetically made up. But while it’s very early, Governments are interested to find out why COVID has had a relatively small impact on Asian genetic set up, but a huge impact on European/American genetic set up.
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Post by: Mace on November 23, 2020, 12:26:59 PM
I was talking with a guy on the weekend whos work involves dealing with Scientists and Geneticists. Very interesting discussion as he said places like the CSRIRO now have the tightest online security in Australia because they are aware certain overseas governments are trying to hack in to see their studies and findings.   

All Western counties are going down the genome track which is basically a very in depth look at how COVID is genetically made up. But while it’s very early, Governments are interested to find out why COVID has had a relatively small impact on Asian genetic set up, but a huge impact on European/American genetic set up.

The Neanderthal link....

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02957-3 (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02957-3)

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/sep/30/neanderthal-genes-increase-risk-of-serious-covid-19-study-claims (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/sep/30/neanderthal-genes-increase-risk-of-serious-covid-19-study-claims)

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Post by: DandyD on November 23, 2020, 07:01:36 PM
Governments are interested to find out why COVID has had a relatively small impact on Asian genetic set up, but a huge impact on European/American genetic set up.

I suppose it depends on where in Asia. The UK experience is that those communities with predominantly Indian and Pakistani origins are heavily impacted. More likely to contract and more likely to die from covid than indigenous white people. In fact, if you are an overweight male, bald, diabetic Asian pensioner with one leg, you are stuffed.

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Post by: alnjan on December 19, 2020, 09:23:11 PM
and we are back to Border Closures   
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Post by: alnjan on December 20, 2020, 06:27:18 AM
and the Sydney to Hobert has now been cancelled
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Post by: Hairs on December 20, 2020, 07:32:28 AM
and we are back to Border Closures   
News reported yesterday evening that Covid 19 was found I  sewerage in Cairns, Townsville & The Gold Coast.
Hmmm
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Post by: #jonesy on December 20, 2020, 01:10:21 PM
I just wish there was a national response, instead of each state making it up.  And if borders are closing make it happen immediately, not give everyone a day or two notice to sneak across. 
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Post by: alnjan on December 20, 2020, 02:14:31 PM
I just wish there was a national response, instead of each state making it up.  And if borders are closing make it happen immediately, not give everyone a day or two notice to sneak across.


Yeah advertising it for even one day would defeat the point.   Just fail to understand it. 
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Post by: Bird on December 20, 2020, 03:05:24 PM
I just wish there was a national response, instead of each state making it up.  And if borders are closing make it happen immediately, not give everyone a day or two notice to sneak across.
agree on all points..

also stop changing them daily, its ****in hard enough to follow - dont make it more difficult.
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Post by: gronk on December 20, 2020, 04:37:15 PM
I was supposed to be at Sanctuary Cove on the 28th....gone out the window now.

I'm pi**ed to be included in the greater Sydney area.....bloody hell, we're 100K's away.

Ironic, the people we were going up to Qld with are from Victoria....and we were worried 1 mth ago if they would be allowed ??
Now they're going and we will be stuck at home....
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Post by: rags on December 20, 2020, 04:45:00 PM
I was supposed to be at Sanctuary Cove on the 28th....gone out the window now.

I'm pi**ed to be included in the greater Sydney area.....bloody hell, we're 100K's away.

Ironic, the people we were going up to Qld with are from Victoria....and we were worried 1 mth ago if they would be allowed ??
Now they're going and we will be stuck at home....

The Central Coast was included due to the ferry link between Pittwater and Wagstaff with a positive case riding that ferry to their home on the coast along with the other passengers.
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Post by: gronk on December 20, 2020, 05:32:43 PM
The Central Coast was included due to the ferry link between Pittwater and Wagstaff with a positive case riding that ferry to their home on the coast along with the other passengers.

Yes, but we are part of the greater Sydney area anyway.  Never used to be...it was always the Hawkesbury river as the cutoff point.
That case at Wagstaffe went home and self isolated...not believed to have infected anyone else.

I'm closer to Newcastle than Wagstaffe, but thems the breaks !!
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Post by: rags on December 20, 2020, 06:05:54 PM
Yes, but we are part of the greater Sydney area anyway.  Never used to be...it was always the Hawkesbury river as the cutoff point.
That case at Wagstaffe went home and self isolated...not believed to have infected anyone else.

I'm closer to Newcastle than Wagstaffe, but thems the breaks !!

I get what your saying. The good thing about the virus being on the Nothern Beaches and in particular around Avalon is that people from the northern beaches don’t travel and certainly don’t go further west than the Pacific Hwy at Pymble. As my old nan use to say ( lived at Nth Narrabeen) if it isn’t in the Manly Daily then it never happened. The manly daily was exclusively reserved for local news. I called it the Insular Pennisula
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Post by: wakychapmans on December 21, 2020, 08:47:00 AM
agree on all points..

also stop changing them daily, its ****in hard enough to follow - dont make it more difficult.

Sorry Bird... our trip to Vic this XMAS has been "postponed"...

the covefe, hugs and cuddles will have to be postponed...

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Post by: corndog on December 21, 2020, 03:48:48 PM
New version of the virus in the UK that is said to be 70% more contagious has made its way into Australia  in NSW. But Glady has said she has it all under control. That should make me sleep better tonight.
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Post by: Hairs on December 21, 2020, 03:57:39 PM
Three months ago that new strain was mentioned and it was more contagious.
Why do the people who can implement responses not act?.
Don't get me started on the Airline Cabin crew who were allowed to walk freely.
What a Shit fight.
:(
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Post by: gronk on December 21, 2020, 05:52:41 PM
Three months ago that new strain was mentioned and it was more contagious.
Why do the people who can implement responses not act?.
Don't get me started on the Airline Cabin crew who were allowed to walk freely.
What a Shit fight.
:(

They've had 7 mths to get procedures right...they can't keep saying these things slipped through the net !!
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Post by: Hairs on December 21, 2020, 05:55:33 PM
They've had 7 mths to get procedures right...they can't keep saying these things slipped through the net !!
You are sadly right mate.
:(
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Post by: glenm64 on December 21, 2020, 08:46:27 PM
They've had 7 mths to get procedures right...they can't keep saying these things slipped through the net !!
There's gaps everywhere. I work on the wharfs and I see it. There are plenty of ships coming here inside the 14 day period. Crew arent supposed to be off their ships unless it's for specific work duties wearing masks. They have been caught off their ships just taking a stroll, not wearing masks when onshore etc. Private(external) company workers not wearing masks supplying food etc to ships and interacting with crews. External Aussie workers cleaning hatches not wearing masks while on board.
When Port workers report the breaches the answer received is Border Force have put strict rules in place only for foreigners(and these arent enforced because they would have to be at each ship 24/7). Each Aussie company is responsible for the own employees safe Covid work practices.
This is only in the Port I'm at, so there will be gaps in every international visit, air or sea. The only way it can be controlled is by having police/border force/army guarding and enforcing strict rules, which is impossible when you look at the volume of trade. Shutting down trade is impossible. Humans are by nature selfish beings. Hurry up vaccinations, thats the only fix.

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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on December 22, 2020, 04:05:21 AM
There's gaps everywhere. I work on the wharfs and I see it. There are plenty of ships coming here inside the 14 day period. Crew arent supposed to be off their ships unless it's for specific work duties wearing masks. They have been caught off their ships just taking a stroll, not wearing masks when onshore etc. Private(external) company workers not wearing masks supplying food etc to ships and interacting with crews. External Aussie workers cleaning hatches not wearing masks while on board.
When Port workers report the breaches the answer received is Border Force have put strict rules in place only for foreigners(and these arent enforced because they would have to be at each ship 24/7). Each Aussie company is responsible for the own employees safe Covid work practices.
This is only in the Port I'm at, so there will be gaps in every international visit, air or sea. The only way it can be controlled is by having police/border force/army guarding and enforcing strict rules, which is impossible when you look at the volume of trade. Shutting down trade is impossible. Humans are by nature selfish beings. Hurry up vaccinations, thats the only fix.

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We have a winner.
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Post by: alnjan on December 22, 2020, 04:41:54 PM
Relates to NSW for those interested.   

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/case-locations-and-alerts.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3xd1Zsn6t5P5gPCKxQKYOVxiEpVJNaNHJTIRZv5Fq578tiSRdSKqOZlMU (https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/case-locations-and-alerts.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3xd1Zsn6t5P5gPCKxQKYOVxiEpVJNaNHJTIRZv5Fq578tiSRdSKqOZlMU)
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Post by: corndog on December 22, 2020, 05:34:23 PM
We have 4 cases of the more infectious covid strain in Australia now, all in quarantine. Better hope it stays there.
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Post by: Hairs on December 22, 2020, 05:57:31 PM
We have 4 cases of the more infectious covid strain in Australia now, all in quarantine. Better hope it stays there.
Yes.
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Post by: DandyD on December 22, 2020, 06:49:48 PM
We have the infectious strain everywhere... apparently. You'd think it would be Armageddon but it isn't.

I've had covid but I don't know anybody else who has. It's all a bit surreal.
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Post by: Hairs on December 23, 2020, 05:42:32 PM
Covid cases recorded in Antarctica for first time – reports

Isolated continent reportedly registers first infections after 36 Chileans fall ill at research base.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/22/covid-cases-recorded-in-antarctica-for-first-time (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/22/covid-cases-recorded-in-antarctica-for-first-time)

 :-[



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Post by: Hairs on December 26, 2020, 11:18:30 AM
A mate who works for the local free rag in Byron just sent me this.
"This is happening right now on the beach at the Belongil at Byron Bay.
Covid mk3 in the making"

Backpackers partying on the beach
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201226/e65812a5df63afdec2846837aa66e7ff.jpg)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on December 26, 2020, 05:35:16 PM
A mate who works for the local free rag in Byron just sent me this.
"This is happening right now on the beach at the Belongil at Byron Bay.
Covid mk3 in the making"

Backpackers partying on the beach
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201226/e65812a5df63afdec2846837aa66e7ff.jpg)


At least in theory they don't have covid.. Not as bad as the backpackers holding a beach rave at Bondi...300 of them..
They fined one of them ???  Why not fine the whole lot ?
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Post by: edz on December 26, 2020, 07:07:45 PM
Its ok, Byron is full of the Rich n Famous so they are exempt from the virus and associated rules normal people had to abide by ...
On a side note we can have 3600 people at our venues, Still have to social distance if they are not directly part of your group  and be seated only if drinking ...Dont have to be seated while drinking when outside ..
Take an Aeirial  photo  of those in the pic and you would get a better idea of how spread out they may be .Then it also depends if groups of people are close associates of each other etc .
Makes it hard for Security to control .
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Post by: Bird on December 26, 2020, 07:15:36 PM

At least in theory they don't have covid.. Not as bad as the backpackers holding a beach rave at Bondi...300 of them..
They fined one of them ???  Why not fine the whole lot ?
exactly... why bother having laws in situations like this if you pick and choose...
wonder if the 1 poor soul that got fined crowd funded the fine payment to really stick it up the cops.
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Post by: Hairs on December 26, 2020, 07:15:47 PM
Edz,
The Whole thing is a sh1te show.
In October our 4wd Club want to hold a meeting at an Ex services club(as we do every month with them), no only ten could attend. Yet a pub in Grafton said yes no worries, how many, maybe 15.
Yep, the pub was packed, Thursday markets were held the same day, main St was full.
I can understand when people get the sh1tes with it.
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Post by: Troopy_03 on December 27, 2020, 12:47:48 AM

At least in theory they don't have covid.. Not as bad as the backpackers holding a beach rave at Bondi...300 of them..
They fined one of them ???  Why not fine the whole lot ?

I agree they should have fined all of them. The one that got fined was fined for disobeying a "Move On Order" anyway, not for disobeying the Covid restrictions, according to the news report. So if that's the case, none of them got fined for flouting the Covid restrictions on gatherings.
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Post by: Hairs on December 30, 2020, 02:27:47 PM
ABC24 News just reported that 65 000 people in the United States have died so far in December.
:(
Let that sunk in
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Post by: plusnq on December 30, 2020, 02:39:39 PM
Reports on ABC about a new case in Katoomba as well. Awaiting confirmation. Not looking good at the moment.
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Post by: Hairs on December 30, 2020, 02:48:56 PM
Reports on ABC about a new case in Katoomba as well. Awaiting confirmation. Not looking good at the moment.
There are cases popping up all over the place  :(
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Post by: vern on December 30, 2020, 06:24:24 PM
Edz,
The Whole thing is a sh1te show.
In October our 4wd Club want to hold a meeting at an Ex services club(as we do every month with them), no only ten could attend. Yet a pub in Grafton said yes no worries, how many, maybe 15.
Yep, the pub was packed, Thursday markets were held the same day, main St was full.
I can understand when people get the sh1tes with it.
Off topic sorry, but which 4wd club? Thinking of joining one is all. Pm if you like

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Post by: Hairs on December 30, 2020, 06:31:29 PM
Off topic sorry, but which 4wd club? Thinking of joining one is all

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Grafton & Districts 4wd club.
Google us :)
If you're around, shout out.
Safe travels.
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Post by: gronk on December 30, 2020, 07:51:42 PM
3 new cases in Victoria.....in Melbourne....get ready fellas...!!
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Post by: Hairs on December 30, 2020, 08:02:52 PM
3 new cases in Victoria.....in Melbourne....get ready fellas...!!
Hi Greg,
Unfortunatley,
This isn't over by any means :(
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Post by: glenm64 on December 30, 2020, 08:21:44 PM
SCG test match and NYE fireworks still going ahead. WTF? I'd rather McGowan's caution to Gladys's she'll be right (we hope) attitude.

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Post by: Bird on December 31, 2020, 09:56:19 AM
SCG test match and NYE fireworks still going ahead. WTF? I'd rather McGowan's caution to Gladys's she'll be right (we hope) attitude.
going for the 'spreading is the way to go' plan
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Post by: Bird on December 31, 2020, 02:32:46 PM
So its back to masks etc in Melbourne... :(
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Post by: Pottsy on December 31, 2020, 03:19:09 PM
So its back to masks etc in Melbourne... :(

Inside your own homes too?
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Post by: #jonesy on December 31, 2020, 03:35:07 PM
Inside your own homes too?
No.
But in everyone else's home.

VIC has a few cases, so back to masks.  At least we are doing something positive and proactive.

NSW more and more cases.  We'll rethink the SCG and NYE?
We don't want masks as we are more concerned about jobs?  I wear a mask at work, so not sure what her thoughts are on that.
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Post by: Bird on December 31, 2020, 03:45:45 PM
No.
But in everyone else's home.

VIC has a few cases, so back to masks.  At least we are doing something positive and proactive.

NSW more and more cases.  We'll rethink the SCG and NYE?
We don't want masks as we are more concerned about jobs?  I wear a mask at work, so not sure what her thoughts are on that.
Yep rather they panic a bit now before we go to Shit again...
as for the cricket, $$$$$$$$$ are more important.
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Post by: Hairs on January 01, 2021, 07:36:08 AM
Hi Swaggers,
As a new year begins, and it appears like Ground Hogs Day for many.
Take care.
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Post by: plusnq on January 01, 2021, 08:32:27 AM
Yep rather they panic a bit now before we go to Shit again...
as for the cricket, $$$$$$$$$ are more important.

Yep. You would have thought we all learnt a lot from Victoria's predicament earlier in the year. Stay safe everyone.
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Post by: tryagain on January 01, 2021, 10:33:41 AM
Yep. You would have thought we all learnt a lot from Victoria's predicament earlier in the year. Stay safe everyone.

VICs predicament was to do with ineffective systems in place, being unable to do the basics of tracking and tracing. NSW, SA and QLD (probably other states as well) have managed to quash outbreaks without the broad lock downs, hopefully NSW can do it yet again, and Vic has learnt it's lessons
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Post by: plusnq on January 01, 2021, 12:14:05 PM
VICs predicament was to do with ineffective systems in place, being unable to do the basics of tracking and tracing. NSW, SA and QLD (probably other states as well) have managed to quash outbreaks without the broad lock downs, hopefully NSW can do it yet again, and Vic has learnt it's lessons

Without a doubt good contact tracing is essential and NSW has been and is doing a great job. But it does appear that the virus has escaped its geographic confines and spread is occurring in multiple locations without clearly identified vectors. I felt that one of Victoria's issues was not identifying quickly enough, the extent of the problem and then being slow to act upon it. Norman Swan has said that in Victoria's case, one day late into lockdown extends the lockdown by a week. Hopefully NSW does have it under control but I am not convinced of that yet.
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Post by: tryagain on January 01, 2021, 03:55:51 PM
Without a doubt good contact tracing is essential and NSW has been and is doing a great job. But it does appear that the virus has escaped its geographic confines and spread is occurring in multiple locations without clearly identified vectors. I felt that one of Victoria's issues was not identifying quickly enough, the extent of the problem and then being slow to act upon it. Norman Swan has said that in Victoria's case, one day late into lockdown extends the lockdown by a week. Hopefully NSW does have it under control but I am not convinced of that yet.

Yeah, it still could go either way, only time will tell but fingers crossed, a lot of it seems to come down to people doing the right thing.
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Post by: Bird on January 01, 2021, 07:55:49 PM
Quote from: tryagain
... people doing the right thing.
... and thats where the Shit hits the fan.
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Post by: Bad Scott on January 02, 2021, 08:10:46 AM
^^^^^ x2

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Post by: Bird on January 02, 2021, 10:56:33 AM
why would you run?

https://www.theage.com.au/national/pair-who-fled-officers-at-melbourne-airport-found-in-regional-nsw-20210102-p56raa.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/pair-who-fled-officers-at-melbourne-airport-found-in-regional-nsw-20210102-p56raa.html)
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Post by: plusnq on January 02, 2021, 12:23:23 PM
why would you run?

https://www.theage.com.au/national/pair-who-fled-officers-at-melbourne-airport-found-in-regional-nsw-20210102-p56raa.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/pair-who-fled-officers-at-melbourne-airport-found-in-regional-nsw-20210102-p56raa.html)

Serious dumbasses. Now a big fine as well
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Post by: Champin on January 02, 2021, 03:14:02 PM
Looks like the run'o'the mill entitled pricks to me. It's exactly that type of numbskull who stuffs it up for all the good people making sacrifices and doing the right thing. Can't we just bring back the stocks and throw balls of Shite at them? Just sayin'.

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Post by: D4D on January 02, 2021, 03:26:10 PM
Looks like the run'o'the mill entitled pricks to me.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on January 02, 2021, 03:27:35 PM
In Isolation for the GG family after a 16 hour haul across the border canonball run style, this Shit just never gives up. Tested this morning and hanging out at home waiting for a msg.
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Post by: Champin on January 02, 2021, 03:46:27 PM
How did you arrive at that conclusion?
Cause I'm shallow and judge a book by its cover

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Post by: D4D on January 02, 2021, 03:49:09 PM
Cause I'm shallow and judge a book by its cover

At least you're honest.
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Post by: Bad Scott on January 02, 2021, 03:52:03 PM
In Isolation for the GG family after a 16 hour haul across the border canonball run style, this Shit just never gives up. Tested this morning and hanging out at home waiting for a msg.
Got a bird's eye view. We're gonna be watching If ya need anything let me know.

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Post by: GGV8Cruza on January 02, 2021, 03:58:22 PM
Got a bird's eye view. We're gonna be watching If ya need anything let me know.

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Cheers mate, all good so far, at least we have a heap of room and enough jobs to last a long time

GG
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Post by: Champin on January 02, 2021, 03:59:27 PM
Ok just to enlighten you to my state of mind at the mo. I live not very far from Heyfield, Vic. Pretty well the gateway to the high country. Ovef the last week or so we (Heyfield) have had pretty well a procession of 4wd/campers/caravans etc come through here, and it is absolutly fantastic for the local economy. But, and yes here's the but, the amount  of people that think they don't have to obey the mask rules or sanitise when entering shops/ servos, is mind blowing. That is putting our whole community at risk. The community that has done the right thing for soo long. Don't  get me wrong, most people sre doing the right thing but there is enough of them not. So excuse me sir if I am a little peeved. Not having a go at you mate. Just saying.

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Post by: Champin on January 02, 2021, 04:02:16 PM
Oh a d just learnt from the local CFA captain they have attended 2 fires up the road ftom me started by unateenddd camp fires. So we are a little bit on edge.

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Post by: Hairs on January 02, 2021, 04:48:05 PM


Ok just to enlighten you to my state of mind at the mo. I live not very far from Heyfield, Vic. Pretty well the gateway to the high country. Ovef the last week or so we (Heyfield) have had pretty well a procession of 4wd/campers/caravans etc come through here, and it is absolutly fantastic for the local economy. But, and yes here's the but, the amount  of people that think they don't have to obey the mask rules or sanitise when entering shops/ servos, is mind blowing. That is putting our whole community at risk. The community that has done the right thing for soo long. Don't  get me wrong, most people sre doing the right thing but there is enough of them not. So excuse me sir if I am a little peeved. Not having a go at you mate. Just saying.

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The Clarence Valley's hidden gems has become magnet for QLDers & Vic campers.
They join local FB groups and have no problem asking locals, does such & such have many camped there?
Are we able to camp at xyz?
Just for Shits & giggles I parked next to the Brooms Head rd today(11am), the amount of traffic heading towards Brooms Head, qld plated vehicles.
 Then on the way home there were 7 dual caravans waiting for the ferry heading to only God knows where
It's been raining most of the day, not the best weather to be traveling.
I noticed the Lawrence Tavern had closed it's camping out the back yesterday.
New years eve we had booked for dinner there with a couple of friends, one group got the sh1t5 because,
1) they had not booked,
2) they refused to fill out contact detail or scan the QR thingy.
WTF
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Post by: GeoffA on January 02, 2021, 05:07:22 PM
At least you're honest.

Agreed, but i reckon their actions justify the visual assessment...
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Post by: D4D on January 02, 2021, 05:10:49 PM
Agreed, but i reckon their actions justify the visual assessment...

Always 2 sides to a story...

“We really are very sorry for the mess that this has caused,” Mr Elford wrote in an email to news.com.au. “Like hundreds of others on 1 January 2021, we got caught up with the confusion when the rules about entering Victoria changed.

“We had a permit, live in a green zone in NSW, were flying from Canberra airport which is allowed, and after we arrived in Tullamarine, we were stopped by DHS officers who were not able to tell us whether or not we needed to quarantine, so after about an hour or so we walked away.

“We attended an outdoor family BBQ before flying back into Canberra as planned that same afternoon so that Debbie could get to her obstetric appointment on Tuesday. This was all in line with the plans we had outlined to DHS officers.

“We were really shocked when we woke this morning to this media story, and following that have proactively contacted our local police in Goulburn to sort this out.

“We also have proactively gone to get a COVID-19 test this morning, and will be self-isolating.”
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Post by: Champin on January 02, 2021, 05:17:28 PM
I agree there is always two sides to any story. It's why I  gave you my reason for thinking that way.

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Post by: GeoffA on January 02, 2021, 05:21:17 PM
Always 2 sides to a story...

No, not always, but perhaps in this case....

 :cheers:
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Post by: Bird on January 02, 2021, 06:34:05 PM
Quote from: SJindustries
Got a bird's eye view. We're gonna be watching If ya need anything let me know.
front lawn needs mowing, and the roof needs doing :(
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Post by: Bird on January 02, 2021, 06:38:01 PM
Quote from: GeoffA
No, not always, but perhaps in this case....
 :cheers:
The airport, wouldn't there be 219082130498239 security cameras of them "walking away" or running.... and standing there discussing it for what from their version of events sounds like a long time...
seek legal advice, what sort of press release should we do to save 19k each.
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Post by: Bad Scott on January 02, 2021, 06:38:34 PM
front lawn needs mowing, and the roof needs doing :(
Can you see it too


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Post by: Bird on January 02, 2021, 06:41:39 PM
Can you see it too
(https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED184/55a1ed8378c45.jpeg)
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on January 02, 2021, 07:25:45 PM
front lawn needs mowing, and the roof needs doing :(
Lawns mowed. Front fence washed ready for a paint. Sure there are a heap of others to do as well.

GG

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Post by: Bird on January 03, 2021, 12:20:17 AM
This helps nobody -
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but then again neither does wiping out the testers and wearing them out.
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Post by: GeoffA on January 03, 2021, 06:12:30 AM
The airport, wouldn't there be 219082130498239 security cameras of them "walking away" or running.... and standing there discussing it for what from their version of events sounds like a long time...
seek legal advice, what sort of press release should we do to save 19k each.

All will be revealed in the fullness of time...
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on January 03, 2021, 07:04:26 AM
This helps nobody -
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but then again neither does wiping out the testers and wearing them out.
I think the Vic government had ne idea just how many people were over the border and have been swamped. Testing stations should be open longer and the people manning them paid accordingly. 

We want yesterday 2 hours early and still only just got a spot with it closed up to capacity half an hour later. 3 hour wait for testing. There would be many people that would say bugger this and just go out in the world doing their own thing.

4 negative tests for us with less than 24 hr turnaround. Great work to the testing teams doing a bloody hard job.

GG

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Post by: Bad Scott on January 03, 2021, 07:35:52 AM
Do you still need to quarantine for the full 14 days?


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on January 03, 2021, 07:36:35 AM
I think the Vic government had ne idea just how many people were over the border and have been swamped. Testing stations should be open longer and the people manning them paid accordingly. 

We want yesterday 2 hours early and still only just got a spot with it closed up to capacity half an hour later. 3 hour wait for testing. There would be many people that would say bugger this and just go out in the world doing their own thing.

4 negative tests for us with less than 24 hr turnaround. Great work to the testing teams doing a bloody hard job.

GG

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Same here in Qld. Anyone who had been to Victoria has to get tested. Massive queues with people walking away after waiting  for hours.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 03, 2021, 07:41:01 AM
Lot to be said for just staying put in ya home state for a while yet.
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Post by: Bad Scott on January 03, 2021, 07:46:49 AM
Yep. I’m not interested in even working interstate atm.


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Post by: GGV8Cruza on January 03, 2021, 08:13:34 AM
Do you still need to quarantine for the full 14 days?


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Not that we can work out due to the time we came across the border, only hours in it though.

GG
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on January 03, 2021, 08:16:14 AM
Lot to be said for just staying put in ya home state for a while yet.

That is true, although for some that have been suffering for way too long we needed some release and being able to see family and friends in regional areas of NSW it was well worth the mental relief.

I will not comment on the Shitstorm that could have been easily changed if some people in power had a real go and closed up areas to make it safer for all.

GG
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Post by: Bad Scott on January 03, 2021, 08:18:40 AM
Not that we can work out due to the time we came across the border, only hours in it though.

GG
My understanding is you have to isolate for 14 days, irrespective of the results and still get retested at day 10.
Lino6 had to, twice. Last time, he was in the store for 3 mins.


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Post by: GGV8Cruza on January 03, 2021, 08:54:00 AM
My understanding is you have to isolate for 14 days, irrespective of the results and still get retested at day 10.
Lino6 had to, twice. Last time, he was in the store for 3 mins.


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Taken from Vic.gov.au

"If you return to Victoria from a green zone before 12:59am on 1 January 2021, you should undertake a coronavirus (COVID-19) test and self-isolate until you receive a negative result."

We have negative test results so we are cleared to leave the home, this is the main reason we got in the car as soon as we knew that the rules had changed.

GG
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Post by: Bad Scott on January 03, 2021, 08:58:35 AM
Good call leaving then.

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Post by: Bird on January 03, 2021, 09:03:20 PM
For NSW peoples...  FWIW Vic will be following these again within a fortnight  :'( :'( :'(

The NSW Government has released an update on COVID restrictions to come into effect from midnight tonight.

A statement attributed to NSW Premier Gladys Alphabet and Minister for Health Brad Hazzard said that "given the risk of COVID-19 transmission on the Northern Beaches and across Greater Sydney (including Wollongong, Central Coast and Blue Mountains), the following adjustments are being made".

From midnight tonight, the southern zone of the Northern Beaches will be subject to the same restrictions as Greater Sydney.

Restrictions for the northern zone of the Northern Beaches remain the same with stay at home orders in place until January 9, 2021. These include no visitors to the home; five northern zone residents can gather outdoors (not at homes) for exercise and recreation, from within the same zone and non-essential businesses remain closed.

"Given the general risk in Greater Sydney, new measures are required to reduce the transmission potential of COVID-19 while maintaining economic activity," the statement said.

"The following measures for Greater Sydney (including Wollongong, Central Coast and Blue Mountains) are effective from midnight tonight:

Face masks will be mandatory at the following indoor settings:

    shopping (retail, supermarkets and shopping centres)
    public/shared transport, indoor entertainment (including cinemas and theatres)
    places of worship
    hair and beauty premises.

Face masks will also be mandatory for all staff in hospitality venues and casinos and for patrons using gaming services.


From Monday, January 4, 2021, there will be $200 on-the-spot fines for individuals for non-compliance. Children under 12 are exempt but are encouraged to wear masks where practicable.

Further restrictions include:

    Gym classes reduced to 30 people; places of worship and religious services limited to one person per four square metres, up to a maximum of 100 people per separate area.
    Weddings and funerals limited to one person per four square metres, up to a maximum of 100 people
    Outdoor performances and protests reduced to 500 people
    Controlled, outdoor gatherings (seated, ticketed, enclosed) reduced to 2000 people
    Nightclubs are not permitted.

People are also encouraged to limit non-essential gatherings and reduce their mobility where possible to further minimise the risk of transmission in the community.

Whilst these measures do not apply to areas outside Greater Sydney (including Wollongong, Central Coast and Blue Mountains), all residents and visitors across NSW are urged to practise COVID-Safe behaviours and get tested even if symptoms are mild.

"We thank the community for their patience and understanding. Our priority is always to protect the health and safety of the community," the statement said.
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Post by: jclures on January 05, 2021, 02:11:47 PM
How long before we lock out NSW completely.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/nsw-coronavirus-four-new-cases-two-announced-yesterday/13031454
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Post by: Hairs on January 05, 2021, 04:53:49 PM
How long before we lock out NSW completely.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/nsw-coronavirus-four-new-cases-two-announced-yesterday/13031454
Just caught that on the news,
WTF, :(
This sh1t3 is going to be happening for a long time to come, And no state will be immune to it.
:(

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Post by: glenm64 on January 05, 2021, 10:26:38 PM
Just caught that on the news,
WTF, :(
This sh1t3 is going to be happening for a long time to come, And no state will be immune to it.
:(

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All you nèed to do is turn all of NSW into a cricket ground and sell tickets.
Apparently Corona plays by the rules and behaves itself under these conditions.

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Post by: gronk on January 06, 2021, 07:10:25 AM
All you nèed to do is turn all of NSW into a cricket ground and sell tickets.
Apparently Corona plays by the rules and behaves itself under these conditions.

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In NSW it does.....Gladys has got it under control...have you noticed we only get 2 to 5 cases a day ?  Any more and she ships them out........underground !!  ;D
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Post by: Bird on January 06, 2021, 07:37:32 AM
Quote from: Hairs
This sh1t3 is going to be happening for a long time to come, And no state will be immune to it.
been sayin this for 6 mths.
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Post by: alnjan on January 06, 2021, 10:44:07 AM

This sh1t3 is going to be happening for a long time to come, And no state will be immune to it.



Which is why all of Australia has to learn to live with it.   Closing borders and trying to 'eradicate' it will not work.   
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Post by: Pottsy on January 06, 2021, 11:11:34 AM

Which is why all of Australia has to learn to live with it.   Closing borders and trying to 'eradicate' it will not work.

We won’t ever eradicate it but I think the current area/border closures are about containment until we can get some protections thru vaccinations..
We are quick to restrict international travel to ensure some semblance of safety, border control is just a smaller scale.
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Post by: sharkcaver on January 06, 2021, 11:22:28 AM
We won’t ever eradicate it but I think the current area/border closures are about containment until we can get some protections thru vaccinations..
We are quick to restrict international travel to ensure some semblance of safety, border control is just a smaller scale.

And in today's news: A rona virus positive case at the MCG hits a homer by also attending boxing day sales.
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Post by: gronk on January 06, 2021, 11:47:47 AM

  Closing borders and trying to 'eradicate' it will not work.

Each and every state had eradicated it, until a returned traveller was allowed to infect someone else by having slack guidelines as to their "containment"..

All epidemics and pandemics peter out....we just don't know whether it will be this year, next or the year after.

Compared to the rest of the world, we are doing very good, so if it means a bit more of the same, I'm sure we can soldier on for as long as it takes.
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Post by: Bird on January 06, 2021, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: gronk
Compared to the rest of the world, we are doing very good, so if it means a bit more of the same, I'm sure we can soldier on for as long as it takes.
Exactly this ^^^
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Post by: DandyD on January 06, 2021, 01:00:43 PM
Compared to the rest of the world, we are doing very good

I like a bit of understatement.

Apparently, 1 in 50 people in the UK currently have covid. That said, I don't know anybody who has it currently. The only person I know who has had it at all is me.
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Post by: Troopy_03 on January 06, 2021, 01:42:17 PM

Which is why all of Australia has to learn to live with it.   Closing borders and trying to 'eradicate' it will not work.

Yes we probably will have to learn to live with it, as it mutates to different strains. But opening borders and allowing people to travel wherever they want will see us looking like the Yanks, or many of the European countries. Daily infection rates in the thousands, and death rates in the hundreds.

It's common bloody sense. You start letting infected people go wandering around willy nilly, then expect yourself to become one of the infected people pretty damn quick. Then just hope you and yours survive it with no long term affects.
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Post by: Champin on January 06, 2021, 02:25:34 PM
I think this virus will be like the flu, we will never get on top of it but we will learn to live with it. We as a species are very adaptable. We will have to get used to wearing masks and constantly sanitising etc. No big thing in my opinion. Alot of safety gear is a pain to use but it's a heck of a lot better than the alternative.  Look back 50 or 100 years and see how dangerous things were in industry. Most safety incentives were met with resistance, but in the end they were cast in stone so to speak. Once they're in, we adapt and move on. Same with this virus and its safety measures. Some will piss and moan for a bit but eventually it will just be a part of life.

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Post by: alnjan on January 06, 2021, 03:05:48 PM
Yes we probably will have to learn to live with it, as it mutates to different strains. But opening borders and allowing people to travel wherever they want will see us looking like the Yanks, or many of the European countries. Daily infection rates in the thousands, and death rates in the hundreds.

It's common bloody sense. You start letting infected people go wandering around willy nilly, then expect yourself to become one of the infected people pretty damn quick. Then just hope you and yours survive it with no long term affects.

Guess it depends where you are in Yankland.  Some States have really been mismanaged or not managed at all by their State leaders while other States have way lower infection rates and basically running as usual.   
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Post by: Troopy_03 on January 06, 2021, 05:44:31 PM
Guess it depends where you are in Yankland.  Some States have really been mismanaged or not managed at all by their State leaders while other States have way lower infection rates and basically running as usual.

I guess you could pick specific states in the US and say it will be fine, or just look at world figures in general...

Anyway, I thought everyone learned at primary school... all you have to do is touch a girl, or touch something a girl has touched, to get girl germs.. Just think of it the same way
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Post by: alnjan on January 06, 2021, 08:07:49 PM
I guess you could pick specific states in the US and say it will be fine, or just look at world figures in general...

Anyway, I thought everyone learned at primary school... all you have to do is touch a girl, or touch something a girl has touched, to get girl germs.. Just think of it the same way

That's why some know not to touch the 'girl' while others don't want to learn. 
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Post by: gronk on January 06, 2021, 08:22:04 PM


 I thought everyone learned at primary school... all you have to do is touch a girl, or touch something a girl has touched, to get girl germs..

I thought that was a story perpetrated by the girls parents to keep the boys mitts off her ??   :angel: :angel:
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Post by: Bird on January 08, 2021, 08:38:26 AM
Masks mandatory in Brisbane until Monday

Masks are now mandatory in Brisbane and surrounding councils for three days, from today to Monday. The Premier says her advice from the Queensland Chief Health Officer is that a three-day lockdown could prevent a 30-day lockdown.
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Post by: #jonesy on January 08, 2021, 08:42:01 AM
Masks mandatory in Brisbane until Monday

Masks are now mandatory in Brisbane and surrounding councils for three days, from today to Monday. The Premier says her advice from the Queensland Chief Health Officer is that a three-day lockdown could prevent a 30-day lockdown.
I saw that as well.  Do it tough for a few days, instead of draggimg it out over weeks and months
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Post by: #jonesy on January 08, 2021, 08:45:31 AM
Sitting in a waiting room waiting for X rays.  The counter has a rope barrier to keep people back from the counter.  Every second person leans hard up against so they can be next to the counter? Or they lean over it and put their face up to the little hole in the screen
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Post by: Bird on January 08, 2021, 08:49:16 AM
I saw that as well.  Do it tough for a few days, instead of draggimg it out over weeks and months
Be our turn again soon to go hard core :(


Quote from: #jonesy
Sitting in a waiting room waiting for X rays.  The counter has a rope barrier to keep people back from the counter.  Every second person leans hard up against so they can be next to the counter? Or they lean over it and put their face up to the little hole in the screen
at Vicroads other day - they had the rope up - bloke got called up, and jumped under the rope... place nearly went into meltdown....
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Post by: plusnq on January 08, 2021, 09:24:50 AM
Masks mandatory in Brisbane until Monday

Masks are now mandatory in Brisbane and surrounding councils for three days, from today to Monday. The Premier says her advice from the Queensland Chief Health Officer is that a three-day lockdown could prevent a 30-day lockdown.

It was only a matter of time. At least they are acting fast.
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Post by: Spada on January 08, 2021, 09:53:15 AM
It was only a matter of time. At least they are acting fast.

Yep, and I believe the vast majority will agree with the measures - short term pain to try and prevent long term major problem. No doubt there will be plenty of people being selfish and ignorant about it though?

9 new cases reported this morning, but all of them in hotel quarantine. They've confirmed the 1 case (hotel cleaner) that has been out and about has the pommy version, so shut up shop for 3 days to try and work out if it has spread any further.

No doubt the headlines tonight will be "the great Brisbane bogg roll rush" as people go batcrap crazy at having to stay at home for the week-end  ::)
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Post by: Bird on January 08, 2021, 10:58:29 AM
Quote from: Spada
No doubt the headlines tonight will be "the great Brisbane bogg roll rush" as people go batcrap crazy at having to stay at home for the week-end  ::)
its begun
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Post by: Steffo1 on January 08, 2021, 11:11:25 AM
I'm off to self isolate on Moreton Island, for a week or so. On the 1630 ferry so just missed the 'Curfew'.  I'm taking a few extra cartons, just in case it drags on longer.  :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on January 08, 2021, 11:16:44 AM
Quote from: Steffo1
I'm off to self isolate on Moreton Island, for a week or so. On the 1630 ferry so just missed the 'Curfew'.  I'm taking a few extra cartons, just in case it drags on longer.  :cheers:


lucky basket!!!!
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Post by: Foo on January 08, 2021, 12:44:08 PM
Bribie Island was a madhouse this morning. Every bloody shopping centre was grid locked but there was still plenty of dunny paper. Called into my local bakery for some of their yummay sesame seed topped bread and there was not a loaf of bread or bread roll, to be seen anywhere! WTF.  >:( Even my butcher was packed out, talk about panic mode.  ::)

Foo
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 08, 2021, 12:57:50 PM
I did a shop on Wednesday..... we have everything to survive the great bog roll rush for weeks.

Besides, if get too short on food, we can always eat each other.

Doesn't stop ya being hungry, but sure takes ya mind of it.
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Post by: gronk on January 08, 2021, 03:39:02 PM


Besides, if get too short on food, we can always eat each other.

Doesn't stop ya being hungry, but sure takes ya mind of it.

Ha ha, it's better after a few beers, but if you've run out of that as well, you can make do !!   ;D ;D
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Post by: Hairs on January 08, 2021, 04:06:08 PM
Awesome, spook the masses and now they flee south.
Well done.
FM, it will never stop.
:(

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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 08, 2021, 04:20:36 PM
Ha ha, it's better after a few beers, but if you've run out of that as well, you can make do !!   ;D ;D

I can't afford alcohol..... I have classic cars to support, build or maintain.  ;D

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Post by: alnjan on January 08, 2021, 04:30:50 PM
Awesome, spook the masses and now they flee south.
Well done.
FM, it will never stop.
:(

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Like this

https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-coronavirus-news-major-delays-on-roads-out-of-brisbane-as-residents-flee-the-city-ahead-of-6pm-lockdown/259d68a9-8b15-457a-bf6d-ad64b1791e9a (https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-coronavirus-news-major-delays-on-roads-out-of-brisbane-as-residents-flee-the-city-ahead-of-6pm-lockdown/259d68a9-8b15-457a-bf6d-ad64b1791e9a)
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Post by: Hairs on January 08, 2021, 04:36:56 PM
Like this

https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-coronavirus-news-major-delays-on-roads-out-of-brisbane-as-residents-flee-the-city-ahead-of-6pm-lockdown/259d68a9-8b15-457a-bf6d-ad64b1791e9a (https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-coronavirus-news-major-delays-on-roads-out-of-brisbane-as-residents-flee-the-city-ahead-of-6pm-lockdown/259d68a9-8b15-457a-bf6d-ad64b1791e9a)
Yep,
Ok, it's holiday time, most placed are booked, caravan parks full, Where are they all going to go?

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Post by: rags on January 08, 2021, 04:48:40 PM
I'm off to self isolate on Moreton Island, for a week or so. On the 1630 ferry so just missed the 'Curfew'.  I'm taking a few extra cartons, just in case it drags on longer.  :cheers:

Hopefully they let you off the ferry, given Moreton Island falls under the Brisbane City Council LGA.

We were due to head up to Woodgate Beach on Sunday but on hold now until we work out what happens post Monday 6.00pm.
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Post by: Pottsy on January 08, 2021, 05:02:09 PM
Like this

https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-coronavirus-news-major-delays-on-roads-out-of-brisbane-as-residents-flee-the-city-ahead-of-6pm-lockdown/259d68a9-8b15-457a-bf6d-ad64b1791e9a (https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-coronavirus-news-major-delays-on-roads-out-of-brisbane-as-residents-flee-the-city-ahead-of-6pm-lockdown/259d68a9-8b15-457a-bf6d-ad64b1791e9a)

And there lies a problem, you live in an area with active Covid, lockdown begins tonight, so you flee the area and become a spreader!
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Post by: Hairs on January 08, 2021, 05:04:54 PM
And there lies a problem, you live in an area with active Covid, lockdown begins tonight, so you flee the area and become a spreader!
Just brilliant hey.
 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on January 08, 2021, 05:47:11 PM
And there lies a problem, you live in an area with active Covid, lockdown begins tonight, so you flee the area and become a spreader!
Just brilliant hey.
 

Many reasons why this is happening.

For us we are fortunate to have 2 places and live between both, one in Brisbane and another on the coast and can lawfully until 6.00pm head up the coast, so long as we isolate there on arrival. I decided to stay here in Brisbane after cancelling a trip away in the van, so will now stay put and do some mowing in Brisbane and work on the 4wd.

My daughter did go up this afternoon after finishing her day job, as she works a second role  in a youth hostel providing emergency overnight accommodation for vulnerable youth and which is considered an essential service.

Many people work in Brisbane and travel daily to and from the coast so also will be caught up in the regular Friday arvo traffic bottleneck that SE Qlders know as the Bruce Hwy.

So we can’t always judge things on a photo in the press and should not quickly jump to conclusions which is often the case on this forum.
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Post by: Hairs on January 08, 2021, 06:55:59 PM
Just spoke to a mate at Rochedale South, he had only just knocked off work from the city, said the road was full of dickheads going south.
He was in the supermarket just down the road from him.
The shelves are just about empty, it was his evening to do his & his mum's shopping.

So people have sh1t3 themselves, panicked.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on January 08, 2021, 07:32:48 PM
Just spoke to a mate at Rochedale South, he had only just knocked off work from the city, said the road was full of dickheads going south.
He was in the supermarket just down the road from him.
The shelves are just about empty, it was his evening to do his & his mum's shopping.

So people have sh1t3 themselves, panicked.

The road to Rochdale would be full of all sorts of people at peak hour, people also need to get home from work, they all aren’t dickheads. It is normal Brisbane peak hour traffic.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on January 08, 2021, 07:38:49 PM
The road to Rochdale would be full of all sorts of people at peak hour, people also need to get home from work, they all aren’t dickheads. It is normal Brisbane peak hour traffic.
Me mates lived there for 30 odd years, never seen it like it.
Fair piont about those that work in Brisbane and live on the Gody, but isn't all part of Brisvagas ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on January 08, 2021, 07:54:20 PM
Me mates lived there for 30 odd years, never seen it like it.
Fair piont about those that work in Brisbane and live on the Gody, but isn't all part of Brisvagas ;)

Your mate obviously doesn’t usually travel on Friday afternoons then.
I say he is dreaming if he thinks that today’s traffic is the worst in 30 years.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on January 08, 2021, 08:03:57 PM
Your mate obviously doesn’t usually travel on Friday afternoons then.
I say he is dreaming if he thinks that today’s traffic is the worst in 30 years.
From the Bisbane Courts, has done for a few years, before that from Roma St(QR National), by Motorbike.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Foo on January 09, 2021, 10:43:28 AM
I think I shall attempt to fight the beer virus with this.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210109/0f656069d2eba42deae4ae89908da86e.jpg)

Foo

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on January 09, 2021, 10:58:56 AM
I think I shall attempt to fight the beer virus with this.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210109/0f656069d2eba42deae4ae89908da86e.jpg)
I've been going with
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Post by: Foo on January 09, 2021, 11:06:46 AM
I've been going with
(https://images.vivino.com/thumbs/dSnawyB_SG-uoHUOZigwfw_pb_x600.png)
I haven't seen that one around. What's the after taste like = high tannin or peppery taste? I don't like either of those.

Foo



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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on January 09, 2021, 11:14:59 AM
I haven't seen that one around. What's the after taste like = high tannin or peppery taste? I don't like either of those.

Foo
Im the opposite. You wouldnt like it! Dan Murphys 20 a bottle.
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Post by: Foo on January 09, 2021, 11:38:13 AM
Im the opposite. You wouldnt like it! Dan Murphys 20 a bottle.

Cool, you just saved me some money.  I have failed in my bid to not weaken and have cracked the top. If you like Port, this is very smooth and I think about $25 a bottle but I buy it by the half or full dozen. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210109/06d8806f78f592164013d84e33e7acbc.jpg)

Foo

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Post by: Hairs on January 10, 2021, 08:19:57 AM
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Post by: bmwfreak on January 10, 2021, 08:21:36 AM
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:cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on January 10, 2021, 06:49:04 PM
Well that's a bugger.   

My old man, 90 yrs old, who lives within the Great Brisbane area, therefore in lockdown, took a bit of a tumble and hurt his back.   Ambos are taking him to Hospital for x-rays, hopefully just a broken rib and nothing else too serious.   But as Ambo was checking him over hesoemthing like, "if you don't get that Cellulitis under control you will be in trouble."   Cellulitis is a common and sometimes painful bacterial skin infection which if left untreated could become life threatening.   

With me being in NSW and him in Lockdown, there is sweet FA I can do to be with him.   At least going to Hospital they should do something for his Cellulitis.   

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Post by: Hairs on January 10, 2021, 07:05:22 PM
Oh Al,
Sorry to hear that mate.
Our thoughts are with ya Dad, you & family.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on January 10, 2021, 08:43:13 PM
Well that's a bugger.   

My old man, 90 yrs old, who lives within the Great Brisbane area, therefore in lockdown, took a bit of a tumble and hurt his back.   Ambos are taking him to Hospital for x-rays, hopefully just a broken rib and nothing else too serious.   But as Ambo was checking him over hesoemthing like, "if you don't get that Cellulitis under control you will be in trouble."   Cellulitis is a common and sometimes painful bacterial skin infection which if left untreated could become life threatening.   

With me being in NSW and him in Lockdown, there is sweet FA I can do to be with him.   At least going to Hospital they should do something for his Cellulitis.


Good news, no fracture.  Soft tissue damage.   Still has to chase up his Dr about the cellulitis.   Now he just has to make his way back home.   Stubborn old bastard that he is, he can make things difficult for anyone trying to help. 
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Post by: Bird on January 10, 2021, 08:58:52 PM
Quote from: alnjan
Good news, no fracture.  Soft tissue damage.   Still has to chase up his Dr about the cellulitis.   Now he just has to make his way back home.   Stubborn old bastard that he is, he can make things difficult for anyone trying to help.
Good news Al.. but it sounds familiar with old blokes... :)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Foo on January 11, 2021, 05:50:52 AM
Good that he's been cleared of any break/fracture but you will need to be very pro active getting on top that other thing.

Foo

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Post by: Steffo1 on January 11, 2021, 08:33:54 AM
I think I shall attempt to fight the beer virus with this.

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Foo

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And please, "Drink Responsibly "!

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on January 11, 2021, 08:55:57 AM
And please, "Drink Responsibly "!

Just don't take your mask of to have a drink though.   

https://www.rt.com/usa/511638-mask-train-passengers-coffee/ (https://www.rt.com/usa/511638-mask-train-passengers-coffee/)
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Post by: bmwfreak on January 12, 2021, 09:37:32 AM
Just don't take your mask of to have a drink though.   

https://www.rt.com/usa/511638-mask-train-passengers-coffee/ (https://www.rt.com/usa/511638-mask-train-passengers-coffee/)
I thought all the crazies were republicans🤔 Apparently not ;D
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Post by: Bird on January 12, 2021, 04:35:53 PM
getting away from it all.....

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-12/birdsville-track-becomes-covid-highway-travellers-avoid-nsw/13035930 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-12/birdsville-track-becomes-covid-highway-travellers-avoid-nsw/13035930)
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Post by: corndog on January 12, 2021, 04:37:18 PM
Just seen some report that gorillas in some zoo have tested positive to the corona virus. Has it jumped from human to apes now? What will happen if it jumps from apes to humans?
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Post by: Pottsy on January 12, 2021, 04:44:50 PM
Just seen some report that gorillas in some zoo have tested positive to the corona virus. Has it jumped from human to apes now? What will happen if it jumps from apes to humans?

Highly likely the IQ of some people will improve, possibly even double. ;D
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Post by: Hairs on January 12, 2021, 04:48:27 PM
Highly likely the IQ of some people will improve, possibly even double. ;D
I was thinking the same kinda thing :)
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Post by: Troopy_03 on January 13, 2021, 06:48:23 AM
I thought all the crazies were republicans🤔 Apparently not ;D

Whackjobs inhabit the full spectrum of the socio political spectrum. Unfortunately they seem to be the ones that get the most exposure.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on January 13, 2021, 11:30:37 AM
Haven you people seen the Dustin Hoffman movie  Outbreak.   Maybe that is linked to the report.   :laugh:  :laugh:
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Post by: edz on January 13, 2021, 01:09:42 PM
Just What will happen if it jumps from apes to humans?

Last African I spoke to, said it was best not to try and resist.. Just let the Ape do what ever it wants and make out you like it till it finishes  ...
Ohh and so as not to hurt its feelings and upset it, give it a thankyou kiss and  a hug .. ;D
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Post by: corndog on January 13, 2021, 01:13:48 PM
I was wondering if the symptoms could include searching through my dogs fur looking for fleas or ticks and eating them or a sudden craving to eat bananas.
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Post by: Steffo1 on January 13, 2021, 03:33:14 PM
Just don't take your mask of to have a drink though.   

https://www.rt.com/usa/511638-mask-train-passengers-coffee/ (https://www.rt.com/usa/511638-mask-train-passengers-coffee/)

All good!
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Post by: MarkGU on January 14, 2021, 08:15:24 PM
All good!
That mask is a real help to your looks Steve.

 ;D
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Post by: Bird on January 18, 2021, 09:03:51 PM
This poor girl.... has to wash her own hair.... and has to play 11 hours of  world of warcraft - THIS IS  TRAGIC!!!!

Bernard Tomic's girlfriend Vanessa Sierra has slammed the quarantine living conditions in Melbourne,

"I don't wash my own hair I've never washed my own hair. It's just not something that I do. I usually have hairdressers that do it twice a week for me."

The former Love Island contestant said the couple had been spending 11 hours a day playing World of Warcraft and other games to keep entertained as training sessions continued to be cancelled at the last minute.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/tomic-in-hard-lockdown-unable-to-train-ahead-of-australian-open-girlfriend-says-20210118-p56v1g.html#comments (https://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/tomic-in-hard-lockdown-unable-to-train-ahead-of-australian-open-girlfriend-says-20210118-p56v1g.html#comments)
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Post by: rags on January 18, 2021, 09:37:01 PM
This poor girl.... has to wash her own hair.... and has to play 11 hours of  world of warcraft - THIS IS  TRAGIC!!!!

Bernard Tomic's girlfriend Vanessa Sierra has slammed the quarantine living conditions in Melbourne,

"I don't wash my own hair I've never washed my own hair. It's just not something that I do. I usually have hairdressers that do it twice a week for me."

The former Love Island contestant said the couple had been spending 11 hours a day playing World of Warcraft and other games to keep entertained as training sessions continued to be cancelled at the last minute.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/tomic-in-hard-lockdown-unable-to-train-ahead-of-australian-open-girlfriend-says-20210118-p56v1g.html#comments (https://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/tomic-in-hard-lockdown-unable-to-train-ahead-of-australian-open-girlfriend-says-20210118-p56v1g.html#comments)

I’m worried for her as there is the potential that her lips will leak and deflate silicone if she is locked up too long.
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Post by: Bird on January 19, 2021, 08:57:21 AM
I’m worried for her as there is the potential that her lips will leak and deflate silicone if she is locked up too long.
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
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Post by: #jonesy on January 19, 2021, 03:14:21 PM
I sort of understand the players being a bit Shitty.  But she is just like anyone else in quarantine
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Post by: KeithB on January 19, 2021, 08:04:09 PM
We have been on the road for three weeks travelling throughout the southern half of NSW and are currently camped at Tocumwal.

We sent in our applications online this afternoon to cross the SA border, attaching our past itinerary and receipts proving where we were and when. We qualify under the rules to cross the border provided we get tested as required. Guess what?

The computer knocked us back in 30 seconds after seeing our home address in Sydney.
Now we have had to lodge an appeal which will probably take forever.

Denise and I had to make separate applications and they give you a reference number on the spot. It took less than ten minutes to lodge Denise's application after mine and her number was 70 high than mine. That's at least seven applications a minute. No wonder Sydneysiders are getting short shrift.
Keith
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Post by: Bird on January 21, 2021, 09:38:58 AM
these figures are scary... All the rellos I have left are in UK... Cant get hold of a few of them for months now.
.. makes me happy for our lockdowns.


London:Britain suffered its worst day in the pandemic, with more than 1800 deaths recorded in 24 hours, as Boris Johnson's chief scientific adviser warned some hospitals now look "like a war zone."

The record daily toll takes the total number of people who have died within 28 days of a positive test in the UK to 93,290. Almost 40,000 patients are now receiving treatment in British hospitals.

England is in its third national lockdown and similar measures are in place across the UK, but while the restrictions have started to bring infection rates down, officials say the death rates and pressures on the National Health Service will continue to grow.
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Post by: Bird on January 31, 2021, 03:39:53 PM
WA into lockdown tonight now... :(
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Post by: glenm64 on January 31, 2021, 06:33:27 PM
Yep
Here we go. At least McGowan is consistent. At the end of 5 days if theres any leakage into community we will go into at least a 28 day lock down.
Apparently its a sh*t fight in the shops already. This is really showing how ugly a society we have become. The real problem isnt the virus as such, its that we are so self centred, it causes more social damage than the virus.
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Post by: lukeycat on January 31, 2021, 06:57:50 PM
Yep
Here we go. At least McGowan is consistent. At the end of 5 days if theres any leakage into community we will go into at least a 28 day lock down.
Apparently its a sh*t fight in the shops already. This is really showing how ugly a society we have become. The real problem isnt the virus as such, its that we are so self centred, it causes more social damage than the virus.
What gets me is people don’t look at how the lockdowns have worked in other states and regions people panic buying is sooo ignorant food etc will still be readily available as it was during the entire vic lockdown why would it be any different in Perth to the rest of the country.


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Post by: sharkcaver on January 31, 2021, 07:20:41 PM
Apparently its a sh*t fight in the shops already. This is really showing how ugly a society we have become. The real problem isnt the virus as such, its that we are so self centred, it causes more social damage than the virus.

Aint that the truth. And I can confirm the sh1tfight at the shops this arvo. With a whole 3 rolls of dunny paper at home I am pretty annoyed with the self centered ars3wipes to be honest. Here we go again.
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Post by: gronk on January 31, 2021, 07:23:50 PM

Apparently its a sh*t fight in the shops already. This is really showing how ugly a society we have become.

When the chips are down, humans turn into animals again. 
We can always find something to eat in the cupboard, but it's a panic when it comes to wiping our arse ??  ;D ;D
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Post by: bob65 on January 31, 2021, 09:06:41 PM
We should be able to rely on each other in times of need
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Post by: plusnq on January 31, 2021, 09:19:11 PM
We should be able to rely on each other in times of need

I must check how much Chianti is in the  wine fridge 😂😂😂
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Post by: nab on January 31, 2021, 11:18:30 PM
We were at the shops and didn't know about the lockdown, took a while to work out what was going on. Oh well, more time to work on the camper...
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 01, 2021, 05:40:28 AM
Would be crap if ya weekly shopping day is today.

I sort of, keep us topped up in food and Shit.

Until they really get a handle on this virus, i'd be staying in my own state.
Why everyone has to take off to other states the moment they open the borders up does my head in.

Yeah, I get it, we have relo's in other states.
Just stay put for the moment.... talk to 'em on the phone, Skype, sent a video clip.

Now, if we could just stop folks coming into Australia, we just might win the battle.

People have had now, nearly 12 months to get themselves home..... they were warned ages ago, come home now.

Well, ya chose not to..... you made ya decision... stand by it.
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Post by: plusnq on February 01, 2021, 06:40:43 AM
I’ve lived a lot of my life in remote areas that have regularly interrupted delivery services due to floods etc. I would have thought after last year that most people would have developed a stock of essential supplies to see them through a period of lockdown or other difficulty. I can understand if you are really poor but most people can afford an extra packet of toilet paper and a couple of tins of food every now and then to slowly build a small stockpile to see them through. Normalcy bias is an interesting thing to watch.
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Post by: D4D on February 01, 2021, 07:10:15 AM
Until they really get a handle on this virus, i'd be staying in my own state.
Why everyone has to take off to other states the moment they open the borders up does my head in.

I'm of a similar view however I am going with a mate to Tassie next month. It's a trip we have postponed twice due to COVID so hopefully third time lucky. As the borders are open between the states we don't have an option to postpone again otherwise we will lose our money.
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Post by: Hairs on February 01, 2021, 07:30:33 AM
I’ve lived a lot of my life in remote areas that have regularly interrupted delivery services due to floods etc. I would have thought after last year that most people would have developed a stock of essential supplies to see them through a period of lockdown or other difficulty. I can understand if you are really poor but most people can afford an extra packet of toilet paper and a couple of tins of food every now and then to slowly build a small stockpile to see them through. Normalcy bias is an interesting thing to watch.
Living in The Clarence Valley for nearly thirty 30 years, floods are a common weather event.
It takes a lot of rain for the lower end(down stream of Grafton) to flood.
The SES puts out a Flood Watch for the Clarence Valley, it list the rivers that may flood, The Orara is usually the first.
People from Grafton, Maclean to Yamba panic buy.
WTF, without fail people flock to town and bulk, milk, bread.
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Post by: Bird on February 01, 2021, 08:08:44 AM
Quote from: D4D
As the borders are open between the states we don't have an option to postpone again otherwise we will lose our money.
I can understand from their point, but still stinks a bit that if you cant go you lose ya bux...
make the most of it, and extend the trip LOLOL
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Post by: Bird on February 01, 2021, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: glenm64
At the end of 5 days if theres any leakage into community we will go into at least a 28 day lock down.
apparently the guard that started it all is also an Uber driver :D Lets all share LMAO
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 01, 2021, 11:22:34 AM
I'm of a similar view however I am going with a mate to Tassie next month. It's a trip we have postponed twice due to COVID so hopefully third time lucky. As the borders are open between the states we don't have an option to postpone again otherwise we will lose our money.

Yeah.... its more the teams of folks who rush the borders and airports.

Then, like in W.A. yesterday, they piss and moan they can't get home.
As for the panic buying..... just imagine what's gunna happen when China starts WW3.

Folks lose their Shit for a 24 hour lockdown.... can't wait for rationing to come into it.
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Post by: Bird on February 04, 2021, 07:37:05 AM
Melbourne back to limitations and masks...

didnt hear Shit about it until went to lunch shop for morning coffee....

any bets where it came from

Victoria will return to harsher COVID-19 restrictions and up to 600 Australian Open players, officials and support staff have been told to isolate and get tested after a hotel quarantine worker tested positive to coronavirus on Wednesday.
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Post by: gronk on February 04, 2021, 06:33:28 PM
Melbourne back to limitations and masks...

didnt hear Shit about it until went to lunch shop for morning coffee....

any bets where it came from

Victoria will return to harsher COVID-19 restrictions and up to 600 Australian Open players, officials and support staff have been told to isolate and get tested after a hotel quarantine worker tested positive to coronavirus on Wednesday.

And if you believe the papers, the person was handing things thru the door to isolated people WITHOUT a mask on ??
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Post by: corndog on February 04, 2021, 09:30:20 PM
Son tells me that this morning someone turned up to work that has been also working at the Australian Open. When he asked why are you here the reply was Tennis Australia said we were clear to go to work. Less than 1/2 hour later she got a text message telling her to get a covid test and isolate until she gets a result. Now if this was correct why is Tennis Australia clearing people to go about their business and then those involved with covid saying something completely different.
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Post by: Rodt on February 05, 2021, 05:44:00 AM
It sounds like they don't have a formal management plan to manage it. The cynic in me also thinks that they don't want to give those types of directions as people would be looking to be reimbursed by them for any lost income. Much easier to hang back and let the government give the directions
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Post by: Bird on February 05, 2021, 08:36:08 AM
Quote from: Rodt
The cynic in me also thinks that they don't want to give those types of directions as people would be looking to be reimbursed by them for any lost income. Much easier to hang back and let the government give the directions
agree
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Post by: Bird on February 12, 2021, 08:11:58 AM
Start the countdown to lockdown....

Who would have thought an airport is a place that it would spread..  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/victoria/holiday-inn-covid-19-cluster-swells-to-13-after-another-two-contacts-test-positive-20210212-p571tf.html (https://www.smh.com.au/politics/victoria/holiday-inn-covid-19-cluster-swells-to-13-after-another-two-contacts-test-positive-20210212-p571tf.html)
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Post by: D4D on February 12, 2021, 09:37:37 AM
Who would have thought an airport is a place that it would spread..  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Yup, family has all been tested this morning as the wife was at an identified tier 1 location. She has to isolate for 14 days regardless of test result, we have to isolate until a negative result.
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Post by: Rodt on February 12, 2021, 10:46:52 AM
Yup, family has all been tested this morning as the wife was at an identified tier 1 location. She has to isolate for 14 days regardless of test result, we have to isolate until a negative result.

How does that logic work? If they think she could still up until 14 days doesn't that mean that the rest of you could be passing it on after the negative result? Not having a go at you but fair dinkum there are holes in how these things are being managed at the moment.

On second thought not sure why I expected anything different  ::)
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Post by: D4D on February 12, 2021, 10:57:00 AM
How does that logic work? If they think she could still up until 14 days doesn't that mean that the rest of you could be passing it on after the negative result? Not having a go at you but fair dinkum there are holes in how these things are being managed at the moment.

Agreed the logic is a bit odd. There actually wasn't a requirement for household members to get tested, we just did it as a precaution, hence we only need to quarantine until negative result just like anybody else getting a test.
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Post by: Bird on February 12, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: D4D
Agreed the logic is a bit odd. There actually wasn't a requirement for household members to get tested, we just did it as a precaution, hence we only need to quarantine until negative result just like anybody else getting a test.
Smart move to be tested anyway since its so simple, but also agree, its strange/doesnt add up...


1pm we get the bad news.
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Post by: Bird on February 12, 2021, 12:08:49 PM
Five-day lockdown confirmed for Melbourne, Premier to speak shortly

here we go again (https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-holiday-inn-cluster-grows-as-fears-of-lockdown-in-victoria-amplify-nsw-border-remains-open-to-state-20210212-p571uh.html)

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/what-the-new-coronavirus-rules-mean-for-victorians-20210212-p571x4.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/what-the-new-coronavirus-rules-mean-for-victorians-20210212-p571x4.html)


Under the stage four lockdown restrictions to come into force at midnight tonight there will only be four reasons for Victorians to leave home: shopping for essential items, essential work, permitted education that cannot be done from home and exercise for up to two hours a day with people from your household.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has just listed some other restrictions:

    You must stay within 5km of your home other than for permitted work
    Masks are mandatory everywhere in Victoria
    No visitors to anyone’s home
    Public gatherings not permitted at all
    Schools will close but will remain open for vulnerable children or children of essential workers
    Religious gatherings and ceremonies are not permitted.
    Funerals can involve no more than 10 people.
    Hospitality will move to take away only

Child care and early childhood centres will remain open.
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Post by: corndog on February 12, 2021, 12:45:59 PM
Unfortunately this was always going to happen. And will probably happen again. You just can't tell where and when.
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Post by: Bird on February 12, 2021, 12:46:20 PM
Unfortunately this was always going to happen. And will probably happen again. You just can't tell where and when.
agree, but FFS close the ****in airport.. 1000's coming from every point on the planet is NOT going to get us anywhere
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Post by: xcvator on February 12, 2021, 02:16:29 PM
agree, but FFS close the ****in airport.. 1000's coming from every point on the planet is NOT going to get us anywhere

But,But,But, think of the money we'll lose
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Post by: Bird on February 12, 2021, 02:22:13 PM
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But,But,But, think of the money we'll lose
Just talkin to Wazbot on chat

Yep. I just went and got flowers for mrs

Flower shop dude has $30k of stock for Valentine's

Has paid for his permit to trade to 11pm tonight,  but our council had not processed the certificate

So he will lose all stock



Told wazza to get there at 10:55 and offer him $10 for the lot, guaranteed to get you enough brownie points for one with the lot!!!!
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Post by: plusnq on February 12, 2021, 03:08:32 PM
Sorry that you are all having to go through this again. Stay safe everyone.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 12, 2021, 03:44:42 PM
Sorry that you are all having to go through this again. Stay safe everyone.

All the Shit paper isles would be bare as a baby's bum by now too.
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Post by: Bird on February 12, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers
All the Shit paper isles would be bare as a baby's bum by now too.

2 x 10 packs and 1 x 32 pack at home in storage :D


Son only started a new job 3 weeks ago too....

twice this Shit has cost him his job.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 12, 2021, 03:51:36 PM
we have a 24 pack in the shed in the case of a lockdown.

Maybe, another 24 pack in the bathroom.

We also keep some soups and 2 minute noodles as well.
(not for lock downs, they're because we're broke)

But we do have a wicked new ride-on lawn tractor.

 
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Post by: corndog on February 12, 2021, 03:53:17 PM
Had to go to the supermarket 1 hour after the announcement. Drove into the car park,  its full. Walked into the supermarket and people everywhere. Guess what is in 80% of trolleys. If you guessed toilet paper your right. How full of s**t must these people be. Got into line for the checkout, was the length of the store plus. A KAREN a bit in front of me started abusing the staff for taking so long to get her to the checkout. And she wasn't wearing a mask either. She could see how long the line was when she got in it. I would have told her to pass off and shop elsewhere.
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Post by: plusnq on February 12, 2021, 05:24:11 PM
2 x 10 packs and 1 x 32 pack at home in storage :D


Son only started a new job 3 weeks ago too....

twice this Shit has cost him his job.

My 17 yr old has had the same experience. All of this will have a lasting impression on them,
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Post by: plusnq on February 12, 2021, 05:25:15 PM
we have a 24 pack in the shed in the case of a lockdown.

Maybe, another 24 pack in the bathroom.

We also keep some soups and 2 minute noodles as well.
(not for lock downs, they're because we're broke)

But we do have a wicked new ride-on lawn tractor.

 

Grass soup again........
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Post by: Bird on February 12, 2021, 05:29:09 PM
My 17 yr old has had the same experience. All of this will have a lasting impression on them,

agree...
Cammo had almost given up.. Agencies, jobs, dropping off resumes, driving back streets of Dande looking at factories that have boards out front, applied for 100's of jobs on seek from Shit kicker to apprenticeships (only having auto license doesn't help)- got 2 replies in months. totally demorailzed.

The Bloke in coffee shop next to work (industrial area in Nunawading/Blackburn) doesnt qualify for jobkeeper/seeker what ever to pay his staff and keep them on  and  with all the factories around us now closing again, he says he wont survive this time.
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Post by: plusnq on February 12, 2021, 05:49:54 PM
agree...
Cammo had almost given up.. Agencies, jobs, dropping off resumes, driving back streets of Dande looking at factories that have boards out front, applied for 100's of jobs on seek from Shit kicker to apprenticeships (only having auto license doesn't help)- got 2 replies in months. totally demorailzed.

The Bloke in coffee shop next to work (industrial area in Nunawading/Blackburn) doesnt qualify for jobkeeper/seeker what ever to pay his staff and keep them on  and  with all the factories around us now closing again, he says he wont survive this time.

Yes. I have my boy collecting tickets as he goes so he can hopefully get a start when things pick up. If we didn’t fund it for him, it would be a real struggle.
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Post by: sharkcaver on February 12, 2021, 07:30:17 PM
Just going out for some staples....wtf?

Unfortunately, not only in Vic.

We come out, you go in.

We feel your pain. Stay the course and good luck for the other side.
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Post by: D4D on February 12, 2021, 07:41:19 PM
Smart move to be tested anyway since its so simple, but also agree, its strange/doesnt add up...

All results back - negative. Only took 12 hours but we were classified as P1 due to the tier 1 site exposure. Missus has to now self isolate for 14 days, son and myself and free to go out, oh wait  :'(
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Post by: bmwfreak on February 13, 2021, 07:53:37 AM
agree, but FFS close the ****in airport.. 1000's coming from every point on the planet is NOT going to get us anywhere

THIS x 1000000
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Post by: bmwfreak on February 13, 2021, 07:54:57 AM
    Public gatherings not permitted at all

Australian open not a gathering of people?????
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Post by: lukeycat on February 13, 2021, 11:23:44 AM
It’s crazy that the same issue that caused our first lockdown is causing this one I remember one poly saying she would quit if it escaped quarantine again let’s see if she remembers saying that, my brother and his fiancé are supposed to be getting married next Friday I feel for them as it’s already been cancelled once a week ago everything was looking great and now we are back in this lockdown situation.


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Post by: Bird on February 13, 2021, 11:41:18 AM
Australian open not a gathering of people?????
agree - cancel it and put on a test pattern, far more entertaining.... at least that spoilt flog is out... now for Barty to lose and we will hear nothing more of it.
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Post by: Steffo1 on February 13, 2021, 03:48:14 PM
Just going out for some staples....wtf?

Unfortunately, not only in Vic.

We come out, you go in.

We feel your pain. Stay the course and good luck for the other side.

I'm confused.
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Post by: corndog on February 13, 2021, 04:09:02 PM
Lukeycat my daughters friend was to be married today. After being cancelled last year.
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Post by: Hairs on February 13, 2021, 05:28:07 PM
In The Clarence Valley we have dodged these lock downs.
I can't image what it would be like, take care Swaggers.
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Post by: gronk on February 13, 2021, 08:18:05 PM
agree - cancel it and put on a test pattern, far more entertaining.... at least that spoilt flog is out... now for Barty to lose and we will hear nothing more of it.

Ha ha, remember another spoilt flog...years ago....Mcenroe....similar beasts....total flogs, but entertaining for the crowds...and the sponsors !!
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Post by: vern on February 13, 2021, 09:33:58 PM
Ha ha, remember another spoilt flog...years ago....Mcenroe....similar beasts....total flogs, but entertaining for the crowds...and the sponsors !!
McEnroe won stuff though

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Post by: GGV8Cruza on February 14, 2021, 07:54:39 AM
In The Clarence Valley we have dodged these lock downs.
I can't image what it would be like, take care Swaggers.

Thanks Hairs,

Getting a little over this in a big way. Its about time that the rules changed and we locked the international border up a lot tighter. Yet again this mess has started from hotel lockdown.

This time its a bit different as well as there are not as many essential workers. We were told at the last minute on Friday to take all work home as we are to work from home for the period we are shut. Also still seems to be a lot of freedom with people moving around.

Hoping it gets under contol by Wednesday Midnight, stay safe and happy Victorian Swaggers, as well as the crew throughout Oz

GG
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Post by: gronk on February 14, 2021, 08:51:37 AM
McEnroe won stuff though

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Yeh, Mcenroe was a flog but was also very good.   Kyrios could also be very good, but won't apply himself for a whole match. Some say he's the most talented bloke out there, but doesn't know how to use it..
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Post by: gronk on February 14, 2021, 09:04:02 AM
Thanks Hairs,

Getting a little over this in a big way. Its about time that the rules changed and we locked the international border up a lot tighter. Yet again this mess has started from hotel lockdown.



GG

They have a solution, and probably cheaper than renting multiple hotels and all the staff that goes with it.
Manus island....and Howard springs.  The advantage of these places is the staff stay on site so no escaping of infected persons. Instead of a 2 week stay, all "inmates" get a 3 or 4 week holiday...just to make sure !!
Unless for genuine reasons, the overseas Australians, who refused to come home last year because they didn't want to, can only come home when intake numbers allow !!
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Post by: Bird on February 14, 2021, 09:26:01 AM
Quote from: GGV8Cruza
Hoping it gets under contol by Wednesday Midnight, stay safe and happy Victorian Swaggers, as well as the crew throughout Oz

GG
one of the news sites was saying the advice was 2 weeks, he went with 5 days... dont be surprised ;'(

AND
get all Australians who wnat to come home - get them home now - have 1 big lock down and then stop anyone else coming in.
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Post by: Bad Scott on February 14, 2021, 09:35:46 AM
It'll be 2 weeks of lockdown. Many small businesses will now be permanently closed

Sent from .............. Somewhere in Australia

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Post by: Bird on February 14, 2021, 09:42:47 AM
Quote from: SJindustries
It'll be 2 weeks of lockdown. Many small businesses will now be permanently closed
yep... Coffee shop next to work has already said he wont make it... 3 perm staff and 4 casuals...

Apparently he doesnt qualify now for the jobkeeper stuff but that isnt going to last for ever anyway.
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Post by: glenm64 on February 14, 2021, 11:44:59 AM
They have a solution, and probably cheaper than renting multiple hotels and all the staff that goes with it.
Manus island....and Howard springs.  The advantage of these places is the staff stay on site so no escaping of infected persons. Instead of a 2 week stay, all "inmates" get a 3 or 4 week holiday...just to make sure !!
Sounds simple.
But I cant see all the cleaners, security, food service, health workers etc queuing up for jobs that means you will be locked up 24/7 for 4 weeks, away from home and family, on top of being at high risk of Covid.
The only way that would work is if the Federal Government took control using the Armed Forces etc. If only the Federal Government had constitutional responsibility for human quarantine.
Oh that's right it does! But Scotty from Marketing doesn't want to do it because he will have to pay for it plus he knows he will look bad if it goes pear shaped.
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Post by: Brij on February 14, 2021, 11:49:05 AM
one of the news sites was saying the advice was 2 weeks, he went with 5 days... dont be surprised ;'(

AND
get all Australians who wnat to come home - get them home now - have 1 big lock down and then stop anyone else coming in.

According to the official, legal documentation it is 2 weeks

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/stay-safe-directions-victoria-no-14-12-february-2021-covid-19-pdf (https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/stay-safe-directions-victoria-no-14-12-february-2021-covid-19-pdf)
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Post by: jclures on February 14, 2021, 01:43:32 PM
Sounds simple.
But I cant see all the cleaners, security, food service, health workers etc queuing up for jobs that means you will be locked up 24/7 for 4 weeks, away from home and family, on top of being at high risk of Covid.
The only way that would work is if the Federal Government took control using the Armed Forces etc. If only the Federal Government had constitutional responsibility for human quarantine.
Oh that's right it does!
But Scotty from Marketing doesn't want to do it because he will have to pay for it plus he knows he will look bad if it goes pear shaped.
I think it suits them to point the finger at the states when things go wrong.
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Post by: gronk on February 14, 2021, 02:15:36 PM
Sounds simple.
But I cant see all the cleaners, security, food service, health workers etc queuing up for jobs that means you will be locked up 24/7 for 4 weeks, away from home and family, on top of being at high risk of Covid.


Won't need cleaners...the aussies can clean up after themselves..
Won't need much security.....where are they going to go....jump in the ocean and swim ?
Health workers....they are already used to dealing with the "sick" covid people.
Food services....this is where the locals make a killing.....feed them fish...more fish...and more fish again !!   ;D ;D
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Post by: alnjan on February 14, 2021, 02:55:07 PM
Sounds simple.
But I cant see all the cleaners, security, food service, health workers etc queuing up for jobs that means you will be locked up 24/7 for 4 weeks, away from home and family, on top of being at high risk of Covid.
The only way that would work is if the Federal Government took control using the Armed Forces etc. If only the Federal Government had constitutional responsibility for human quarantine.
Oh that's right it does! But Scotty from Marketing doesn't want to do it because he will have to pay for it plus he knows he will look bad if it goes pear shaped.

just thinking about the logistics of all international flights being diverted all to Manus Island and a fortnight later the National flights to other centres.   Nah, States just need to pick up their game and collectively we need to learn to live with COVID and be better. 
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Post by: Hairs on February 14, 2021, 03:10:47 PM
Download flightradar24,
It will give an idea of the air traffic, not only over & into Australia, but around the world.
This is how this virus spreads, people movement, Der :)
Just saw a comment in a local newspaper,
The Ballina Mayor said he can not stop flights from Victoria.
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Post by: Troopy_03 on February 14, 2021, 06:40:06 PM
Won't need cleaners...the aussies can clean up after themselves..
Won't need much security.....where are they going to go....jump in the ocean and swim ?
Health workers....they are already used to dealing with the "sick" covid people.
Food services....this is where the locals make a killing.....feed them fish...more fish...and more fish again !!   ;D ;D

You don't get out to bush camp sites much do you, or see what happens after Aussies spend a couple of days camping on the beach? LOL
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Post by: NZMarkb on February 15, 2021, 04:45:46 AM
Well looks like we've gone into panic mode here again  >:( >:(
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Post by: Bird on February 15, 2021, 07:47:25 AM
You don't get out to bush camp sites much do you, or see what happens after Aussies spend a couple of days camping on the beach? LOL
:cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on February 15, 2021, 08:48:38 AM
“A lot” of the 1500 Victorian visitors linked to the Melbourne cluster have now left Queensland, while the remainder have been ordered to get tested and enter quarantine.

is that enough - asking people to quarantine ?? to me it feels like asking your kids to pickup their toys.
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Post by: plusnq on February 15, 2021, 10:02:30 AM
“A lot” of the 1500 Victorian visitors linked to the Melbourne cluster have now left Queensland, while the remainder have been ordered to get tested and enter quarantine.

is that enough - asking people to quarantine ?? to me it feels like asking your kids to pickup their toys.

I don't think it works if you do it yourself  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Steffo1 on February 15, 2021, 11:14:20 AM
A rellie returned to Qld from Vic and was questioned as to his recent movements. One question was, 'Did you use gates 7 or 8?'

He asked, 'Do you mean on departure or arrival?' The questioner couldn't give a satisfactory answer.
Rellie than asked, 'Perhaps there has been a misinterpretation of the circumstances? Perhaps Gates 7 & 8 are being confused with the event dates, 7 & 8?'
He was met with stunned silence!
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on February 17, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Looks as though the little break has worked and we are back to the new norm tomorrow, looking forward to the finer print

GG
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Post by: #jonesy on February 17, 2021, 01:27:34 PM
Back to "normal" for us Victorians again.

Hope all the members that were locked down are okay. 

I will always have to work so that is a bonus for me.  But even then it was tough only going to work and home.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on February 17, 2021, 01:29:59 PM
News reporters everywhere hoping a Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch Covid-19 variant doesn't emerge.
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Post by: austastar on February 17, 2021, 02:22:46 PM
Hi,
   That would be the Welsh variant?
Cheers

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Post by: 2Strokeit on February 17, 2021, 03:24:15 PM
A question for WHO
Why is it Racist to call it Wuhan flu and not racist to name new version British/South African/Brazilian?
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Post by: gronk on February 17, 2021, 05:32:44 PM
A question for WHO
Why is it Racist to call it Wuhan flu and not racist to name new version British/South African/Brazilian?


WHO knows ??   ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: NZMarkb on February 17, 2021, 05:48:47 PM
A question for WHO
Why is it Racist to call it Wuhan flu and not racist to name new version British/South African/Brazilian?

Let’s just call it the kung flu then
Or the China virus
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: DandyD on February 19, 2021, 11:43:35 PM
 :D

Man accidentally invited for Covid vaccine because NHS believed he was just 6cm tall

A man in his thirties with no underlying health conditions was accidentally offered a Covid vaccination because he was incorrectly registered as 6cm tall.

Liam Thorp, 32, was surprised to receive a text telling him he had been offered an appointment for his first jab.

Mr Thorp, a journalist at the Liverpool Echo, decided to give his GP a call and find out if there had been a mix-up.

They informed him he had been invited for the vaccine due to his weight, which they had registered as amounting to morbid obesity.

The journalist, who was under the impression this information was inaccurate, was left confused.

His doctor's surgery called back the next day to confirm there had been a mix-up. Mr Thorp said the phone call was one of the most "bizarre phone calls of [his] life".

Recalling the conversation in an article for the Liverpool Echo, he wrote: "A nervous sounding chap on the line began quietly explaining to me that there had been a mix-up in offering me a vaccine.

Mr Thorp added: ”He said, unfortunately, my details had been put into the system incorrectly when I had registered with the GP just a year ago.

"He was really polite and very apologetic but said I was in fact not due to get my vaccine anytime soon."

Mr Thorp was curious to know more about the error.
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Post by: D4D on February 20, 2021, 08:01:16 PM
The wife just received her day 11 negative test result. Hopefully in 3 days we'll be allowed out to play with others...
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Post by: Bird on February 21, 2021, 01:49:07 PM
Quote from: D4D
Hopefully in 3 days we'll be allowed out to play with others...
gee.. never thought you'd be into that :o
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Post by: D4D on February 22, 2021, 12:52:40 PM
gee.. never thought you'd be into that :o

Wife was told this morning, as they have 3000+ people to call & interview tomorrow prior to releasing from isolation she may not get a call tomorrow. It's not like we have anything else to do other than sit around and wait for their call...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on February 22, 2021, 12:58:04 PM
Quote from: D4D
Wife was told this morning, as they have 3000+ people to call & interview tomorrow prior to releasing from isolation she may not get a call tomorrow. It's not like we have anything else to do other than sit around and wait for their call...

3000??! @ 10 mins per call in confirming who you are and then playing 20 questions, 2 mins between each call... ouch
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Post by: Hairs on February 22, 2021, 04:00:22 PM
3000??! @ 10 mins per call in confirming who you are and then playing 20 questions, 2 mins between each call... ouch
Yep,
Logistics of this is huge.
Hmmm
 
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Post by: Kangaron on February 22, 2021, 04:13:42 PM
Wife was told this morning, as they have 3000+ people to call & interview tomorrow prior to releasing from isolation she may not get a call tomorrow. It's not like we have anything else to do other than sit around and wait for their call...
So Jamie is isolation seperate from the rest of the family,  in a room by one's self?
As opposed to quarantine ?

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Post by: D4D on February 22, 2021, 06:32:37 PM
So Jamie is isolation seperate from the rest of the family,  in a room by one's self?
As opposed to quarantine ?

They call it isolation as it is at home. In a hotel you're in quarantine.

My wife is classified as a primary close contact, she bought a coffee on the day a positive case visited the cafe, my son and I are classified as secondary close contacts. We all had to get tested initially, all results came back negative. After a few days my son and I were contacted and told we could be released from isolation on the proviso we were isolated from my wife for the duration of her isolation. I said that wasn't workable, you needed separate bedrooms, kitchens etc. They then offered to put my wife in hotel quarantine. I thought about that for a minute and then decided for the sake of future martial bliss we would take option 2 which was to isolate for the same time she was in isolation for. Hence here we are waiting for a call tomorrow so we can go out and play...
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Post by: achjimmy on February 22, 2021, 06:55:19 PM
They then offered to put my wife in hotel quarantine. I thought about that for a minute and then decided for the sake of future martial bliss we would take option 2 which was to isolate for the same time she was in isolation for. Hence here we are waiting for a call tomorrow so we can go out and play...

Smart man  ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on February 22, 2021, 07:57:04 PM
. They then offered to put my wife in hotel quarantine. I thought about that for a minute and then decided for the sake of future martial bliss

What about the wife stays at home and you went to a nice hotel, with a big bar, and just had a big ol good time...........no ??    ;D ;D
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Post by: plusnq on February 22, 2021, 07:59:52 PM
What about the ex-wife stays at home and you went to a nice hotel, with a big bar, and just had a big ol good time...........no ??    ;D ;D

Fixed it for you
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on February 23, 2021, 09:30:39 AM
So son gets call from job agency - go get tested...
so now we are sittin here in isolation for 24/48.... :(
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Post by: D4D on February 23, 2021, 06:21:36 PM
So son gets call from job agency - go get tested...
so now we are sittin here in isolation for 24/48.... :(
Welcome to my world. Still no call from DHHS...
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Post by: gronk on February 23, 2021, 07:36:23 PM
So son gets call from job agency - go get tested...
so now we are sittin here in isolation for 24/48.... :(
Don't know what happens down there , but last year the wife went for a covid test ( drive in ) at 2pm.....got a txt msg at 3am ...all clear !
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Post by: Bird on February 23, 2021, 09:08:11 PM
Don't know what happens down there , but last year the wife went for a covid test ( drive in ) at 2pm.....got a txt msg at 3am ...all clear !
24/48 hours as jamie is finding out.
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Post by: D4D on February 24, 2021, 06:37:56 AM
24/48 hours as jamie is finding out.
We received our results in 12 hours as we were a P1. Still no call from DHHS to release us from isolation...
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Post by: Bird on February 24, 2021, 11:08:04 AM
Quote from: D4D
We received our results in 12 hours as we were a P1. Still no call from DHHS to release us from isolation...
6am got the all clear text message.
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Post by: Kangaron on February 24, 2021, 11:29:38 AM
6am got the all clear text message.

and the job??
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Post by: Bird on February 24, 2021, 12:49:46 PM
Quote from: Kangaron
and the job??

From what I know - no go... will find out more when I get home
Dont know anyone lookin for good eager forky labourer anything
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Post by: D4D on February 24, 2021, 04:29:36 PM
6am got the all clear text message.
We hadn't heard anything so I called at 4pm and politely told them to 'get your sh!t together'. 30 minutes later we received our clearance emails. 35 minutes later I was at Bunnings, the world is in order now :)
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Post by: Bird on February 24, 2021, 05:30:41 PM
Quote from: D4D
We hadn't heard anything so I called at 4pm and politely told them to 'get your sh!t together'. 30 minutes later we received our clearance emails. 35 minutes later I was at Bunnings, the world is in order now :)
Noice work... Bunnings says thank you, their sales had dropped off :P
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on February 26, 2021, 09:11:26 AM
From what I know - no go... will find out more when I get home
Dont know anyone lookin for good eager forky labourer anything

sent you a text bud

GG
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Post by: Bird on February 26, 2021, 09:13:47 AM
sent you a text bud

GG
didnt get it :(
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on February 26, 2021, 09:15:35 AM
didnt get it :(

sent it to your mobile, will try another method

GG

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Post by: Bird on March 27, 2021, 05:55:43 PM
here we go again :D

BREAKING: The Strathpine man who tested positive to COVID overnight, hosted a party of 25 people at his home before receiving his positive result, Queensland Health says. Those 25 people are now in quarantine


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Post by: rags on March 27, 2021, 07:44:31 PM
here we go again :D

BREAKING: The Strathpine man who tested positive to COVID overnight, hosted a party of 25 people at his home before receiving his positive result, Queensland Health says. Those 25 people are now in quarantine

To make this clear, the idiot had the COVID test because his mate who he had been in contact with was COVID positive. However after having the test and while waiting for the results he invited 25 people around to a party,

I had a precautionary test yesterday arvo as I had been in the general vicinity of the 1st case and also subsequently in the vicinity of the 2nd case. Still waiting on my results.
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Post by: Pete79 on March 27, 2021, 08:35:41 PM
To make this clear, the idiot had the COVID test because his mate who he had been in contact with was COVID positive. However after having the test and while waiting for the results he invited 25 people around to a party,

I had a precautionary test yesterday arvo as I had been in the general vicinity of the 1st case and also subsequently in the vicinity of the 2nd case. Still waiting on my results.
So are we coming over for a party at yours tomorrow... :P
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Post by: rags on March 27, 2021, 09:32:49 PM
So are we coming over for a party at yours tomorrow... :P

Sure but I’ve got room for a hundred.
If you do can you bring some mower fuel, I exhausted the supply today
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Post by: Troopy_03 on March 28, 2021, 06:29:43 PM
To make this clear, the idiot had the COVID test because his mate who he had been in contact with was COVID positive. However after having the test and while waiting for the results he invited 25 people around to a party,

I had a precautionary test yesterday arvo as I had been in the general vicinity of the 1st case and also subsequently in the vicinity of the 2nd case. Still waiting on my results.

Apparently it was "fake news" He had a gathering of five people, four of which were housemates, living in the shared domicile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMjIVGZwr8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMjIVGZwr8)
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Post by: rags on March 28, 2021, 07:24:55 PM
Apparently it was "fake news" He had a gathering of five people, four of which were housemates, living in the shared domicile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMjIVGZwr8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMjIVGZwr8)

I was just reading the story of how our Government got it wrong.  While there may have been an issue of miscommunications regarding a party gathering. What I was wondering though is how the government got the other part so wrong we’re they claim the 25 party attendees where  isolating. They obviously had no idea about the mysterious 25 people who were never isolating.

Oh and I tested negative so went straight to Bunnings and Dan Murphy as a way of celebrating.
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Post by: Hairs on March 28, 2021, 07:35:59 PM


Oh and I tested negative so went straight to Bunnings and Dan Murphy as a way of celebrating.
Awesome,
Did you get a bargain ?
There is a thread for getting a bargain.
Please share.
:)
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Post by: rags on March 28, 2021, 08:16:42 PM
Awesome,
Did you get a bargain ?
There is a thread for getting a bargain.
Please share.
:)

A carton of TEDs and a chain for my AEG battery chainsaw
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 28, 2021, 08:56:23 PM
I was just reading the story of how our Government got it wrong.  While there may have been an issue of miscommunications regarding a party gathering. What I was wondering though is how the government got the other part so wrong we’re they claim the 25 party attendees where  isolating. They obviously had no idea about the mysterious 25 people who were never isolating.\
this is Gov Co... your surprised they didnt know anything?
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Post by: Spada on March 29, 2021, 02:11:39 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-29/brisbane-three-day-covid-lockdown-masks-mandatory-qld/100034850 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-29/brisbane-three-day-covid-lockdown-masks-mandatory-qld/100034850)
3 day lockdown for greater Brisbane might upset some peoples plans for Easter. Just means we'll get away at sparrows fart Friday morning instead of Thursday arvo.

Cant imagine what the shops will be like this afternoon  >:(
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Post by: Bird on March 29, 2021, 02:12:37 PM
Quote from: Spada
Cant imagine what the shops will be like this afternoon  >:(
you mean as soon as it was announced...  ;)
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 29, 2021, 02:16:31 PM
The wife was picking up a few things we needed today after work. ;D

Although, we're outside the Cooties area..... so it won't be too bad.
Oh, who am i kidding, it will be a Shit fight out here too.
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Post by: Pete79 on March 29, 2021, 04:29:38 PM
We’re well outside of the cooties area too, but we just got an email from the kids school.
Apparently too many teachers come from or have been to the danger zones so school is now officially closed.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 29, 2021, 04:33:27 PM
Shops were a breeze ....  :cup:
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Post by: achjimmy on March 29, 2021, 04:51:33 PM
Shops were a breeze ....  :cup:

What about dunny paper ?
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on March 29, 2021, 04:53:42 PM
yeah, fine..... we didn't need any, but plenty on the shelf.
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Post by: achjimmy on March 29, 2021, 04:55:16 PM
Just out of interest do the other states have the covid sign in at all the shops ? NSW have this QR code that you sign in . It works pretty well but a Press conference today the Premier and chief MO were stressing more to do it to assist with track and trace . I guess there’ll be the conspiracy theorists but I find it pretty simple and appreciate I’ll get a text or call if someone infected has been where I was 
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Post by: Pottsy on March 29, 2021, 05:15:36 PM
Just out of interest do the other states have the covid sign in at all the shops ? NSW have this QR code that you sign in . It works pretty well but a Press conference today the Premier and chief MO were stressing more to do it to assist with track and trace . I guess there’ll be the conspiracy theorists but I find it pretty simple and appreciate I’ll get a text or call if someone infected has been where I was
QR code’s in place in SA but I reckon only about 50% of people do it, supposed to be compulsory.
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Post by: Hairs on March 29, 2021, 05:25:39 PM
A carton of TEDs and a chain for my AEG battery chainsaw
Winning :)
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Post by: Bird on March 29, 2021, 05:30:30 PM
Quote from: Pottsy
QR code’s in place in SA

Dunno bout elsewhere, but QR's to me seem a waste of time, they just take you to a URL you could type in or bookmark.
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Post by: Hairs on March 29, 2021, 05:33:58 PM
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Post by: Bird on March 29, 2021, 05:53:59 PM
LMAO

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/panic-buying-sets-in-as-brisbane-prepares-for-lockdown-20210329-p57eze.html (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/panic-buying-sets-in-as-brisbane-prepares-for-lockdown-20210329-p57eze.html)



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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on March 29, 2021, 06:08:29 PM
Dunno bout elsewhere, but QR's to me seem a waste of time, they just take you to a URL you could type in or bookmark.
Ours take us to a sa gov site, logs the time of entry and location. I don’t have a problem with it, particularly if it helps tracking and remembering where you have been.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 29, 2021, 06:15:35 PM
Quote from: Pottsy
Ours take us to a sa gov site, logs the time of entry and location. I don’t have a problem with it, particularly if it helps tracking and remembering where you have been.
the one at local pub and few local lunch joints do nothing - just takes you to a URL - doesnt open it or anything
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: DandyD on March 29, 2021, 06:43:12 PM
LMAO

People have got so lockdown weary in the UK that they have stopped hoarding bog roll. Houses are probably still stuffed with them from the first time.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 29, 2021, 07:09:42 PM
Just out of interest do the other states have the covid sign in at all the shops ? NSW have this QR code that you sign in . It works pretty well but a Press conference today the Premier and chief MO were stressing more to do it to assist with track and trace . I guess there’ll be the conspiracy theorists but I find it pretty simple and appreciate I’ll get a text or call if someone infected has been where I was
QLD Gov only just recently released the official QR code.
But you have to have their app installed on your device for it to work.

Only a few places around here are using it though. Most places have their own code that like Bird said, just takes you to a website that you have to manually log yourself in.

They all ask for heaps and heaps of details and take a good 5 minutes or so to fill out. Even worse if you have a few people from the same house hold to sign in to the venue.
Most of these ones only have a sign in page, no option to sign out when you leave. ::)

I still can’t believe that in 2021 (after over a year of lockdowns and tracing efforts) we can’t have one national QR code.
You scan the code when entering and it automatically registers the time date and the phone number of the device used to scan in. Then scan the same code when you leave and it logs the same data and records your exit.

Then if they need to do contact tracing they just push a message to every phone number that was in the area of an infected person. You just get a text message telling you to go get tested.
Not sure about other states, but here after getting tested we get a text message to say we’re all clear and they ask you to reply with the number 1 to confirm you received the message.

This should be really simple and I can’t believe we still have such a manual registration and contact tracing system nationally.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 29, 2021, 08:00:17 PM
I have the NSW Services app on my phone
Login, scan the code, it fills in everything, log out when I leave.
Pubs, Clubs, RFS shed, RFS Training Centre, where ever it's needed, takes less then 30 seconds.
I'm use to doing it, no problem.
:)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on March 29, 2021, 08:19:26 PM
QLD Gov only just recently released the official QR code.



Not sure about other states, but here after getting tested we get a text message to say we’re all clear and they ask you to reply with the number 1 to confirm you received the message.



Not sure about push 1 confirmation.  My Last test was on Friday and test result issued Saturday with no response required, This was my 4th test and never required to respond, 3 different testing facilities.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 29, 2021, 08:26:35 PM
Not sure about push 1 confirmation.  My Last test was on Friday and test result issued Saturday with no response required, This was my 4th test and never required to respond, 3 different testing facilities.
My last one was a while ago, but this was the text;

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on March 29, 2021, 08:34:13 PM
My last one was a while ago, but this was the text;

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It’s interesting, 2 of my tests were at the Prince Charles hospital, 1 at the Strathpine drive thru which is run by Metro North and last Friday facilitated thru a private pathology operator on behalf of the govt.

I like the Caloundra approach requiring confirmation but you wonder what they would do if you didn’t respond. It would be a different story if you were positive, they would be knocking on your door I guess.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 29, 2021, 08:40:12 PM
I have the NSW Services app on my phone
Login, scan the code, it fills in everything, log out when I leave.
Pubs, Clubs, RFS shed, RFS Training Centre, where ever it's needed, takes less then 30 seconds.
I'm use to doing it, no problem.
:)

Haven't logged out anywhere yet...always forget.
I go to woolies once a week...no one logs in...not one soul.
Go to the doctors...same.
Local hospital and club you have to log in...local restaurants as well....

This is only when I'm with the wife...my phone has no data so if I'm on my own, I do it the old fashioned way...fill out a piece of paper..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bob65 on March 29, 2021, 08:44:44 PM
I have the NSW Services app on my phone
Login, scan the code, it fills in everything, log out when I leave.
Pubs, Clubs, RFS shed, RFS Training Centre, where ever it's needed, takes less then 30 seconds.
I'm use to doing it, no problem.
:)

This is correct.

In NSW use the service nsw app. No need to log in to the app or anything, just use the QR scanner with it.

Scan at the venue, the app has saved your details if you tell it to.

The only details you need for it is name and contact number

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on March 29, 2021, 08:49:45 PM
Victorian government QR works okay.

Scan and my phone automatically saves my first name and phone number.
Although not many people use it.
Other places have there own if it more than a click or 2  I don't bother either. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 29, 2021, 10:29:35 PM


In NSW use the service nsw app. No need to log in to the app or anything, just use the QR scanner with it.



Sent from my SM-G998B using Tapatalk

On my wifes phone, at a venue, just open the camera and scan...nsw service app comes up, log on and press check in.

If you don't have to log onto the app, maybe the app is already open ?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bob65 on March 29, 2021, 11:03:17 PM
On my wifes phone, at a venue, just open the camera and scan...nsw service app comes up, log on and press check in.

If you don't have to log onto the app, maybe the app is already open ?
Nah, the app is not open until you open it.

Should have said that you don't have to be lodged in to service nsw to use the scanner.

I have just gotten a new phone, I will have to try scanning with the camera to see if it opens the nsw service app scanner. My last phone didn't but this phone has all the bells and whistles

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 30, 2021, 06:55:37 AM
The services NSW app works well for some .. Working the entry points of a venue :  about 50% of peoples phones cappable of connecting to Service NSW dont work with the service NSW QR code .. Have to log them manualy on an Ipad and its a complete pain in the arse, two staff  literaly doing hundreds of entries each shift .
Even my  brand new smart phone wont connect ..   downloaded the app, scanned the QR, worked once and wont log in again .. Tried all the fixes Service NSW said to do,  still no worky .. Gave up, still waiting for there IT  to get back to me with a fix, as they said they would. Its only been 3 months .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 30, 2021, 07:09:29 AM
The wifes old i phone 6s plus works fine......open camera, point at logo, opens service nsw app, type the password number in, press check in.

 Or open service nsw app, type the password, scroll to covid check in screen, scan the logo, press check in.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: NZMarkb on March 30, 2021, 08:45:02 AM
 supposed to be compulsory.
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They can't make it compulsory
Unless they are going to issue smart phones to those that don't have them
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on March 30, 2021, 09:18:52 AM
On my wifes phone, at a venue, just open the camera and scan...nsw service app comes up, log on and press check in.

If you don't have to log onto the app, maybe the app is already open ?

Once you have logged your details once, the app just recalls your details without having to login (enter a password) in the app.

You can test it here:
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/check-in/first-time-qr-code-users#mobile-phones-that-can-scan-qr-codes (https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/check-in/first-time-qr-code-users#mobile-phones-that-can-scan-qr-codes)

Scroll down to "1 Find a poster with a QR code" that will open to give your a test QR Code. Scan it via the app (no need to log in)
Follow the directions and you're done.

Works just fine on my old Samsung Galaxie S5 (Android 6?)

Test QR Code:

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on March 30, 2021, 09:25:06 AM

3 day lockdown for greater Brisbane might upset some peoples plans for Easter. Just means we'll get away at sparrows fart Friday morning instead of Thursday arvo.

Cant imagine what the shops will be like this afternoon  >:(

Im sorry but I think youre grounded...  8 new cases in Qld, 5 from Byron Bay..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/mar/30/australia-news-live-brisbane-covid-lockdown-andrew-laming-coalition-labor-qld-nsw-victoria (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/mar/30/australia-news-live-brisbane-covid-lockdown-andrew-laming-coalition-labor-qld-nsw-victoria)

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 30, 2021, 10:06:47 AM
Im sorry but I think youre grounded...  8 new cases in Qld, 5 from Byron Bay..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/mar/30/australia-news-live-brisbane-covid-lockdown-andrew-laming-coalition-labor-qld-nsw-victoria (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/mar/30/australia-news-live-brisbane-covid-lockdown-andrew-laming-coalition-labor-qld-nsw-victoria)

Ahhh crap..... It's not just Easter, we're supposed to be on 2 weeks leave  :'( looks like we may be canning that  >:( :'( :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wilson79 on March 30, 2021, 11:16:45 AM
Yes it is nervous times, after having to cancel our 8 week Kimberly adventure last year, we rescheduled a 5 week NT trip departing 23rd of April.. Really hope this  gets under control quickly..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 30, 2021, 12:21:19 PM
Once you have logged your details once, the app just recalls your details without having to login (enter a password) in the app.


Test QR Code:

The app remembers your details, but when I click on the service nsw app, it wants the password ( passnumber to be precise ) to enter the site.

If I use the camera, the QR code makes it go to the service nsw site, but still need a passnumber !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on March 30, 2021, 05:12:04 PM
The app remembers your details, but when I click on the service nsw app, it wants the password ( passnumber to be precise ) to enter the site.

If I use the camera, the QR code makes it go to the service nsw site, but still need a passnumber !!

Sorry mate, I don't know why you're getting that. What happens when you open the Services NSW app, Select COVID Safe Check-in, then scan the QR?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 30, 2021, 08:49:02 PM
Sorry mate, I don't know why you're getting that. What happens when you open the Services NSW app, Select COVID Safe Check-in, then scan the QR?

When I open the service nsw app, you must login with a pin. Then you can select covid, drivers license, rego etc etc !!

Somehow it logs off after a time and next time I use it, have to login again. Yours mustn't be logging off ?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 31, 2021, 09:57:53 AM
2 more community cases in Qld from 33000 tested yesterday, both a direct link to one of the known clusters.

Promising, but no official announcement on the lockdown until 9am tomorrow.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 31, 2021, 11:04:25 AM
Just heard on the radio, Northern Rivers on high alert(Byron, Lismore, Ballina), authorities are saying this may increase, to include other Local goverment areas.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 31, 2021, 12:59:22 PM
Just heard on the radio, Northern Rivers on high alert(Byron, Lismore, Ballina), authorities are saying this may increase, to include other Local goverment areas.

Saw that, getting closer.   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on March 31, 2021, 01:22:55 PM
When I open the service nsw app, you must login with a pin. Then you can select covid, drivers license, rego etc etc !!

Somehow it logs off after a time and next time I use it, have to login again. Yours mustn't be logging off ?

Well this is weird. If I use my old Samsung S5, I don't need to login, unless I select Vouchers or Check demerits etc. I can click Covid safe check-in without logging in.
On my new Samsung A31, I have to login before I can open the app, but I can use thumbprint login. I don't know why it's different for each phone...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 31, 2021, 04:30:46 PM
Well this is weird. If I use my old Samsung S5, I don't need to login, unless I select Vouchers or Check demerits etc. I can click Covid safe check-in without logging in.
On my new Samsung A31, I have to login before I can open the app, but I can use thumbprint login. I don't know why it's different for each phone...

No idea either ? The wifes phone is an i phone 6 s which you have to login 1st, with my old samsung s5 the same..

BUT, once logged in you can go back to the app and it goes straight in ?  But if you go back the next day, you have to login again ? There must be a time imit on how long the app stays "open" ??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: scrubber on March 31, 2021, 05:07:42 PM
The skeptical part of me (which is a lot given my line of work) wonders just when all this juicy tracking information is going to be compromised and used in a manner that it was not intended?  Its not a case of "if" but "when".  Many people will probably not care (who cares if I went to Maccas at Dubbo at 1734 on the 2/4/2021 etc etc and someone finds this out who is not authorised), to those that are concerned but don't understand the implications, to those that see this as a real concern.
These "bread crumps" are invaluable to those who wish to exploit them. 
I'm lucky that I rarely need to go to a place that requires sign in whether it be via QR code or paper based so I am yet to to fill one out. 
Whilst I fully understand the good intentions the sign in/registration processes, I just don't trust it.  There are other ways of managing the risk.
And please don't misconstrue this as "selfish" or any of that crap - I just have a different view on the whole thing based on my experience.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 31, 2021, 05:48:30 PM
Blues Fest has been binned.
Yamba has been smashed with an influx of QLD plated vehicles.
Traveled the M1 between Grafton & Maclean a couple of times today, the amount qld plated vehicles towing campers/caravans/roof top tents, 4wdrives,  heading south was very noticeable. 
Yeah sure it's Easter, but the traffic was heavy.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on March 31, 2021, 06:17:56 PM
No idea either ? The wifes phone is an i phone 6 s which you have to login 1st, with my old samsung s5 the same..

BUT, once logged in you can go back to the app and it goes straight in ?  But if you go back the next day, you have to login again ? There must be a time imit on how long the app stays "open" ??

But the thing is, on the S5, I never need to login to open the app. But if I want to check my points or rego or whatever, it requires me to login. The covid check in doesn't ever require login. First time I opened it, I entered my details (can't remember if I had to login the first time) but since then, it hasn't needed a login for the covid safe checkin.

Edit.........
Found this on the website:
Quote
Do customers need a MyServiceNSW account in order to use the COVID Safe Check-in tool in the Service NSW app?

No, they do not need a MyServiceNSW account. They can complete a guest check-in (no account log-in required) using the COVID Safe Check-in tool in the Service NSW app.

If they do not wish to download the Service NSW app they can complete the Service NSW webform check-in.

Maybe it's only opening in guest mode on the S5, but that doesn't explain why the A31 requires a log in.. I give up LOL
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 31, 2021, 08:03:18 PM
You'd have to have Shit for brains to go camping anywhere in the SE QLD & Northern Rivers atm with the unwashed.
But, I bet there are some that reckon, it's cool.
Plenty of FB groups where people are keen to tho.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 31, 2021, 08:31:58 PM
If you say so....

This Shit for brains will be heading off around 9am tomorrow with his unwashed family that all returned negative COVID test results today. 
Just hoping the rest of my unwashed family can still join us for an awesome few days out in the fresh air.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 31, 2021, 09:02:05 PM
Plenty of self entitled arse hats out there.
If you are camped somewhere, away from unknowns, that's awesome.
Would love to be bush camping this Easter, last two years have been a bitch, Fires, Covid, Floods, now bloody covid again.
I have contact throughout the week with the elderly, frail, I see their concerns.
I am not 'entitled' to go camping, especially in a high contact area.
But,  each to their own.
:)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 31, 2021, 09:14:50 PM
Not looking to good in our region .. QLD nuse and the hens party + the tradie they infected, seem to have hit virtualy most every spot allong the coast from Ballina to Brissoland ..
Mandatory we wear masks at work now plus other restrictions, Joy ! The mass exodus from Brissoland the other day before lock down produced enough confrontations without these extra restrictions ..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on March 31, 2021, 10:00:48 PM
If you say so....

This Shit for brains will be heading off around 9am tomorrow with his unwashed family that all returned negative COVID test results today. 
Just hoping the rest of my unwashed family can still join us for an awesome few days out in the fresh air.

I would think those outside the lockdown area will be hoping the lockdown continues as that way you will get where ever you go, to yourself.
I hope that I can make it up the coast but hey I can camp in the backyard by the river here in Brisbane if stuck at home, just glad the flooding was last week.
Enjoy your trip Pete,
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on April 01, 2021, 04:42:30 AM
If you say so....

This Shit for brains will be heading off around 9am tomorrow with his unwashed family that all returned negative COVID test results today. 
Just hoping the rest of my unwashed family can still join us for an awesome few days out in the fresh air.

everybody should get a good wash with the way your rain generator works
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 01, 2021, 05:28:55 AM
If you say so....

This Shit for brains will be heading off around 9am tomorrow with his unwashed family that all returned negative COVID test results today. 
Just hoping the rest of my unwashed family can still join us for an awesome few days out in the fresh air.

Hey Shit for Brains...... LOL there is a little rain on the forecast.
Take a cake of soap and have a wash.......  ;D

Don't wait to be told, you need Palmolive Gold.
Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on April 01, 2021, 06:26:03 AM
Haha, you guys.... ;)

I don’t need to check the weather forecast anymore, I know it’s going to be wet as soon as I hitch the camper onto the back of my car. ;D
Spada is right about the rain generator, we haven’t had a dry trip with it since I built the thing.

And on the COVID testing stuff, the drive through place I went to last time in Caloundra is not operating anymore. And the one we went to in the hinterland doesn’t ask for a reply to the text with your negative result.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on April 01, 2021, 08:29:59 AM
Hope you have a nice port to go with your easter eggs around the fire, Port and chocolate in the mist by a fire on a cool  night .MMmmmmmmmm ..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 01, 2021, 10:09:17 AM
Good news

Brisbane’s lockdown will end at noon – five hours earlier than originally planned – after Queensland recorded just one new locally acquired coronavirus case on Thursday.

Ten new cases were detected in hotel quarantine overnight. The sole new local case was linked back to an existing cluster.

Private gatherings will still be capped at 30 people and masks will remain mandatory indoors.

On Thursday morning, Premier Annastacia Palletjack said a record 34,711 tests were conducted overnight.

“The lockdown has been lifted in greater Brisbane, but we’re not out of the woods yet, so I’m asking all Queenslanders for the next two weeks ... to do the right thing, we can get through this together,” the Premier said.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on April 01, 2021, 10:37:04 AM
Hope you have a nice port to go with your easter eggs around the fire, Port and chocolate in the mist by a fire on a cool  night .MMmmmmmmmm ..

I've packed a bottle of St George dragons blood  ;D https://www.riversandswines.com/wine/fn-good-phort-fgp-2018 (https://www.riversandswines.com/wine/fn-good-phort-fgp-2018)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on April 01, 2021, 11:05:09 AM
Qld premier on ABC,
'The reason we have brought it forward is we don't want to see accidents if everybody leaves at 5 o'clock'
WTF.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 01, 2021, 11:35:09 AM
Qld premier on ABC,
'The reason we have brought it forward is we don't want to see accidents if everybody leaves at 5 o'clock'
WTF.

What's wrong with that?

Folks that can go at 12 will, those who can go a tad later, will.

Those who don't finish until later, will leave late.
Are you friggin simple.

I know this post will get pulled, but for fuks sake Hairs, stop being a friggin drama queen.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 01, 2021, 11:41:39 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers
I know this post will get pulled, but for fuks sake Hairs, stop being a friggin drama queen.

I think its got more to do with 'panic stations - lockdown'... then a piss poor excuse to end it early
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 01, 2021, 11:49:38 AM
The day before th long weekend, its a given, some muppet will start a nose to tail prang off on the M1 south or the friggin Bruce north.
Not you Bruce, the Bruce highway.

I'd put money on the fact, if the Premier held out until 5pm with the lockdown, Hairs would piss and moan she should've lifted it earlier to let people stagger some leave times.

I'm aware of about 10 or more mates with show cars, that are on trailers ready to go north for the RockyNats that i'm aware of.

I'd hate to be on the road this Easter.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on April 01, 2021, 11:49:42 AM
I think its got more to do with 'panic stations - lockdown'... then a piss poor excuse to end it early
Spot on Bird.

Kev,  Say what you want, water off a ducks back mate, being on the outside looking in,
I have to question her actions and motives, listen to her words, she is condescending in her tone and arrogant.
But apparently that appeals to her voter base ;)
That's Just my opinion of her.
 
Cheers
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 01, 2021, 11:58:10 AM
Spot on Bird.

Kev,  Say what you want, water off a ducks back mate, being on the outside looking in,
I have to question her actions and motives, listen to her words, she is condescending in her tone and arrogant.
But apparently that appeals to her voter base ;)
That's Just my opinion of her.
 
Cheers

 :-X
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: achjimmy on April 02, 2021, 04:14:03 AM
The skeptical part of me (which is a lot given my line of work) wonders just when all this juicy tracking information is going to be compromised and used in a manner that it was not intended?  Its not a case of "if" but "when".  Many people will probably not care (who cares if I went to Maccas at Dubbo at 1734 on the 2/4/2021 etc etc and someone finds this out who is not authorised), to those that are concerned but don't understand the implications, to those that see this as a real concern.
These "bread crumps" are invaluable to those who wish to exploit them. 
I'm lucky that I rarely need to go to a place that requires sign in whether it be via QR code or paper based so I am yet to to fill one out. 
Whilst I fully understand the good intentions the sign in/registration processes, I just don't trust it.  There are other ways of managing the risk.
And please don't misconstrue this as "selfish" or any of that crap - I just have a different view on the whole thing based on my experience.

As long as one has a smart phone there being tracked by marketers . Don’t need to worry about the service/covid app. Same as those who worry about google home devices listening . Again if you have a smart phone have enabled an microphone in an app your being listened too . FB is the worst try it rattle on about a particular subject you’ll get the targeted ads! Happened the other day to me some talking about some arse at work who stinks of BO blah blah an hour later advanced BO treatments start popping up lol. Even your home IP address is matched up to your emails for those spam mails. No escaping being tracked today other than 100% off grid.
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Post by: achjimmy on April 02, 2021, 04:15:37 AM
Blues Fest has been binned.

Good call I think, sad for vendors and patrons but wise
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Post by: Hairs on April 02, 2021, 06:23:28 AM
Good call I think, sad for vendors and patrons but wise
Local businesses are naturally disappointed, having family & friends there, they believe it was the right thing.
 
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Post by: gronk on April 02, 2021, 08:12:31 AM
As long as one has a smart phone there being tracked by marketers . Don’t need to worry about the service/covid app. Same as those who worry about google home devices listening . Again if you have a smart phone have enabled an microphone in an app your being listened too . FB is the worst try it rattle on about a particular subject you’ll get the targeted ads! Happened the other day to me some talking about some arse at work who stinks of BO blah blah an hour later advanced BO treatments start popping up lol. Even your home IP address is matched up to your emails for those spam mails. No escaping being tracked today other than 100% off grid.

You know the story behind this.   This program was developed by a bloke in the US military, and was going to be used to eavesdrop on "enemies"...
But after seeing some fellow officers huddled around a computer screen eavesdropping on normal people at home doing some "stuff" in front of their computers that they had no idea of the camera being turned on by the hackers, the bloke tried to get the system shut down.
They wouldn't shut it down so he threatened to blow to whistle on it and as a consequence he is believed to be in hiding overseas somewhere.
Can't remember his name, but google it if you want.

We were around a campfire talking about this exact subject one night and next morning the article on it popped up in a news feed on Facebook I think it was..
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Post by: scrubber on April 03, 2021, 07:51:12 AM
As long as one has a smart phone there being tracked by marketers . Don’t need to worry about the service/covid app. Same as those who worry about google home devices listening . Again if you have a smart phone have enabled an microphone in an app your being listened too . FB is the worst try it rattle on about a particular subject you’ll get the targeted ads! Happened the other day to me some talking about some arse at work who stinks of BO blah blah an hour later advanced BO treatments start popping up lol. Even your home IP address is matched up to your emails for those spam mails. No escaping being tracked today other than 100% off grid.
This nay be true IF you blindly install apps of thus nature and then proceed to use their default settibg.  There are plenty of ways to reduce this interference.  This argument is often put forward i.e but if you use Facebook, Google, etc, etc ,you are being tracked so it's pointless doing anything and who cares if they know that I am interested in "topic X".  The subsequent gradual loss of privacy in small increments can be described as "salami slicing".  As they say, "if something is free, you are the product".  I choose not to be a product.
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Post by: Rodt on April 07, 2021, 12:36:25 PM
I don't use the app. I just turn my camera on (iphone) and hover over the qr code thingy and a website link comes up that you just fill in your details and bob's your uncle. Remembers you as well so saves me typing
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Post by: Kangaron on April 07, 2021, 02:32:14 PM
I don't use the app. I just turn my camera on (iphone) and hover over the qr code thingy and a website link comes up that you just fill in your details and bob's your uncle. Remembers you as well so saves me typing

Same in Vic [Motorola for me Samsung for her]
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Post by: #jonesy on April 07, 2021, 02:52:43 PM
I had the Astrazeneca jab no 1 last week.  Apart from the usual mild pain in the arm about 9 hours later I got most the the "Common Side effects"
Started with tiredness, then muscle pain, mild head ache, nausea and joint pain the full blown chills. 

Woke up the next morning feeling okay but tired.  Throughout the day I was 50/500, but even getting up from the computer and a short walk in the office took it out of me.  Took a few days to get back 100% by which time I had a mild cold from camping. 

Jab 2 in 3 months woohoo.

I normally do well with vaccinations, mostly only a slight pain on the arm.

If Covid is anything like those side effects I definately don't want it. 
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 07, 2021, 03:02:06 PM
arm or arse..... LOL  ;D
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Post by: DandyD on April 07, 2021, 03:59:22 PM
If Covid is anything like those side effects I definately don't want it

It is, but much worse.

I was bed bound for three weeks and too shagged to do much for three weeks after that.
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Post by: tk421 on April 09, 2021, 07:43:17 PM
If Covid is anything like those side effects I definately don't want it.

A friend of mine and her father got it and said its the worst ilness she's ever experienced.  She's never felt that crook she said. Thankfully they both pulled through.
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Post by: Bird on April 21, 2021, 04:46:03 PM
it was only a matter of time

Childcare worker sacked for refusing flu vaccine loses legal appeal

The Fair Work Commission backed major childcare provider Goodstart Early Learning, which required its staff to get a flu shot, in a decision with major implications for businesses’ power to demand employees get coronavirus jabs.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/childcare-worker-sacked-for-refusing-flu-vaccine-loses-legal-appeal-20210421-p57l37.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/childcare-worker-sacked-for-refusing-flu-vaccine-loses-legal-appeal-20210421-p57l37.html)
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Post by: Spada on May 25, 2021, 07:09:37 AM
Maybe this should be in the rant thread, but it is covid related.
There was a Qld medico on the telly news last night complaining about how the people in Queensland aren't doing enough to get themselves vaccinated. I think he perhaps should have a closer look and work out that the real problem isn't the people trying to get it, it's the people that are not trying to provide it  >:D

I've been eligible for a couple of weeks now, but up until a week ago the only places that could provide it were nowhere near where I live. Last week I got a text to advise that it was now available from GP's, so I started trying to get the vaccine. Rank my GP (no online booking system), and was told they are only allocated 50 doses per week, and were booked out for vaccines until mid August. Rang another GP, had a spot available at the end of June, and it would cost $70 for the doctors appointment (that practice doesn't bulk bill), rang a third GP but they also were booked out of their allocated doses for 4 weeks in advance. Finally found a GP out of town a little who had a spot left for next week.

I live on the fringe of greater Brisbane, but have to travel out of town to get the vaccine. I felt like punching the dick on the tele in the face when he slagged people for not taking up the vaccine fast enough in QLD...... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Qld is sitting second last in Aus for doses administered per 100,000 people, I believe this is driven by poor availability and lack of places that can provide it..... not by peoples lack of enthusiasm for it. The fact that just about every place I tried that can provide it is booked out 4 to 6 weeks in advance suggests that the blame for the slow take up rests on the Gov's inability to supply.
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Post by: Pottsy on May 25, 2021, 08:17:18 AM
Very much the same story in Adelaide, I’m trying our local GP again today to try and book in. Adelaides largest COVID vaccine clinic opens 5 days a week, 8.30 to 3.30. Why not run it till 9pm Seven days a week. Discussion on the radio yesterday about the possibility of closing it for three to four weeks  so the pavilion can be used for the Royal Show.
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Post by: Bird on May 25, 2021, 10:07:11 AM
Here we go again in Melb...

Victoria records fifth community case, testing sites overwhelmed
A fifth coronavirus case has been diagnosed in Victoria after a man in his 60s was linked to the Whittlesea outbreak.

Private gatherings limited to five in Victoria; masks required inside; exposure list expands

The Victorian state government is still working through how the latest coronavirus restrictions in Greater Melbourne will impact major events such as the football.

But bars and restaurants will remain unchanged, says Acting Premier James Merlino.

“So there’s no changes to the arrangements in bars and restaurants [and] no changes to the existing density equations for bars and restaurants,” he said.

“We’re going to put a pause on the further easings that were to commence on the 28th of May.”
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Post by: Kangaron on May 25, 2021, 11:05:48 AM
And all five have the Indian variet of covid.

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Post by: rags on May 25, 2021, 06:40:09 PM
And all five have the Indian variet of covid.

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Do you get that variety  from 7-11s?
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Post by: rags on May 25, 2021, 06:41:56 PM
Maybe this should be in the rant thread, but it is covid related.
There was a Qld medico on the telly news last night complaining about how the people in Queensland aren't doing enough to get themselves vaccinated. I think he perhaps should have a closer look and work out that the real problem isn't the people trying to get it, it's the people that are not trying to provide it  >:D

I've been eligible for a couple of weeks now, but up until a week ago the only places that could provide it were nowhere near where I live. Last week I got a text to advise that it was now available from GP's, so I started trying to get the vaccine. Rank my GP (no online booking system), and was told they are only allocated 50 doses per week, and were booked out for vaccines until mid August. Rang another GP, had a spot available at the end of June, and it would cost $70 for the doctors appointment (that practice doesn't bulk bill), rang a third GP but they also were booked out of their allocated doses for 4 weeks in advance. Finally found a GP out of town a little who had a spot left for next week.

I live on the fringe of greater Brisbane, but have to travel out of town to get the vaccine. I felt like punching the dick on the tele in the face when he slagged people for not taking up the vaccine fast enough in QLD...... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Qld is sitting second last in Aus for doses administered per 100,000 people, I believe this is driven by poor availability and lack of places that can provide it..... not by peoples lack of enthusiasm for it. The fact that just about every place I tried that can provide it is booked out 4 to 6 weeks in advance suggests that the blame for the slow take up rests on the Gov's inability to supply.

It must be difficult to get as our Premier, Health Minister and Chief Health Officer can’t seem to get the jab.

Seriously though I understand the Nundah clinic is easy to access for the jab.
 https://www.hotdoc.com.au/medical-centres/nundah-QLD-4012/nundah-village-family-practice/doctors/covid-19-vaccine-clinic5-1 (https://www.hotdoc.com.au/medical-centres/nundah-QLD-4012/nundah-village-family-practice/doctors/covid-19-vaccine-clinic5-1)
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Post by: D4D on May 25, 2021, 06:44:54 PM
And all five have the Indian variet of covid.

Up to 9 now
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Post by: corndog on May 25, 2021, 07:36:15 PM
And more to come.
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Post by: Bird on May 25, 2021, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: D4D
Up to 9 now
He also went to some sports tournament... #s will be exploding within days
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Post by: Bird on May 26, 2021, 10:37:17 AM
He also went to the MCG footy... sat in the cheer squad for Port ...

Lockdown announced by 6pm?
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Post by: corndog on May 26, 2021, 10:47:48 AM
15 and growing, starting to spread around the city.
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Post by: Bird on May 26, 2021, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: #jonesy
I had the Astrazeneca jab no 1 last week.  Apart from the usual mild pain in the arm about 9 hours later I got most the the "Common Side effects"
Started with tiredness, then muscle pain, mild head ache, nausea and joint pain the full blown chills. 

Woke up the next morning feeling okay but tired.  Throughout the day I was 50/500, but even getting up from the computer and a short walk in the office took it out of me.  Took a few days to get back 100% by which time I had a mild cold from camping. 

Jab 2 in 3 months woohoo.

I normally do well with vaccinations, mostly only a slight pain on the arm.
If Covid is anything like those side effects I definately don't want it.

How have you been going since? Doesnt sound very appealing, but we all discussing it here at work

second jab can give people more fatigue than first


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Post by: Bird on May 26, 2021, 03:49:54 PM
https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/exposure-sites (https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/exposure-sites)
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Post by: #jonesy on May 26, 2021, 04:54:17 PM
How have you been going since? Doesnt sound very appealing, but we all discussing it here at work

second jab can give people more fatigue than first


The cold I had lasted for about 3 -4 weekend. I'd feel good during the day and as it got later in the day I'd start to feel crap and blocked up.  All good now.  Still a few weeks for jab number 2. 

Happy enough that I had it, although it would have been good to know the side effects and the high % of reactions. 

By contrast I had flu shot a few weeks ago.  Only side effect was a very slight tenderness in the arm the next day. 
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Post by: Pottsy on May 26, 2021, 06:21:19 PM
SA just announced immediate border closure to people from Greater MELB and testing for people who have been in Bendigo.
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Post by: D4D on May 27, 2021, 06:27:47 AM
Eddie's suggesting he's gov. contacts are telling him 5 day lockdown from tonight. I would have never thought we'd be getting COVID news from Eddie Everywhere...
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Post by: Hairs on May 27, 2021, 07:21:44 AM
Eddie's suggesting he's gov. contacts are telling him 5 day lockdown from tonight. I would have never thought we'd be getting COVID news from Eddie Everywhere...
When you've been 'Boned'
Ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
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Post by: Kangaron on May 27, 2021, 09:08:22 AM
I'm hearing 7 days from 1800 tonight.

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Post by: Bird on May 27, 2021, 09:28:44 AM
Quote from: Kangaron
I'm hearing 7 days from 1800 tonight.

Yea, on ABC they were saying it was looking like 3 days then 5 days and with the #'s overnight its now chances are a min 7 days
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Post by: BaseCamp on May 27, 2021, 10:51:16 AM
- Mate had his 1st AZ jab 4 weeks ago..
- (He's a type 1 diabetic)....
- Nothing all day ... went to bed approx 11pm...
- Woke up about 2am with the death rattles; (hardcore shivering and no way can get warm)...
- Then later, broke out in fever and sweats...
- Next morning, woke up, back to normal  ...
- No other known side effects...

- I had the AZ jab 10 days ago...
- Nothing all day; then at about 2pm, arm aches, and chronic tiredness and fatigue....
- That lasts for about the next 20 hours...
- Also at about 6pm on jab day - I notice bouts of feeling nauseous and loss of appetite...
- First night and through next day; feeling hot and fever-like....  (Though my temp remained normal)...
- Pumped in the panadol rapid approx every 6 hours throughout....
- After 2 days; no more symptoms...   and none since....

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Post by: BaseCamp on May 27, 2021, 10:58:47 AM
PS:  btw - I had the flu shot about 18 days before getting the AZ jab, fyi ...


EVERYONE  ...watch ABC 4 CORNERS from Monday night....   (via ABC IView etc)...

Excellent information on the vaxs and pandemic and death risk coming at Aust soon ...

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Post by: Bird on May 27, 2021, 11:09:39 AM
34 cases in Vic - 10,000 need to quarantine.... :o
New variant of the bug..

7 Day lockdown... (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-covid-live-updates-melbourne-braces-for-lockdown-as-health-officials-await-overnight-case-numbers-20210526-p57ve7.html)
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Post by: manchu on May 27, 2021, 12:27:11 PM
34 cases in Vic - 10,000 need to quarantine.... :o
New variant of the bug..

7 Day lockdown... (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-covid-live-updates-melbourne-braces-for-lockdown-as-health-officials-await-overnight-case-numbers-20210526-p57ve7.html)

With so many exposure sites and very few people taking precautions lately I think 7 days is very optimistic. 

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Post by: Spada on May 27, 2021, 01:10:06 PM
With so many exposure sites and very few people taking precautions lately I think 7 days is very optimistic.

And even less chance of containing it in Vic - https://www.9news.com.au/national/mass-exodus-out-of-victoria-as-lockdown-threat-looms/94665594-c7f5-4793-a353-ffe177eeedcd (https://www.9news.com.au/national/mass-exodus-out-of-victoria-as-lockdown-threat-looms/94665594-c7f5-4793-a353-ffe177eeedcd)
Quote
The escalating situation has prompted large numbers of Victorians to pack up and leave, loading caravans, cars and even jumping on trains to head interstate and escape possible lockdown measures.
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Post by: D4D on May 27, 2021, 01:40:13 PM
And even less chance of containing it in Vic - https://www.9news.com.au/national/mass-exodus-out-of-victoria-as-lockdown-threat-looms/94665594-c7f5-4793-a353-ffe177eeedcd (https://www.9news.com.au/national/mass-exodus-out-of-victoria-as-lockdown-threat-looms/94665594-c7f5-4793-a353-ffe177eeedcd)

I just don't get that logic.
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Post by: Bird on May 27, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: D4D
I just don't get that logic.
Sorta agree to be honest.

but then you read

Frankston couple David and Sandy Runkel had originally planned to drive their caravan to the NSW north coast on the weekend but decided to leave on Thursday when talk of a lockdown began.
Mrs Runkel, who is a nurse, was able to take annual leave to make an early start on their four-week trip. She said a holiday was “absolutely needed” after the stress of 2020.
“It was a harrowing year last year,” she said from a truck stop in Violet Town.


Now every scrote thief in Franga knows they arent home for weeks
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Post by: #jonesy on May 27, 2021, 09:24:55 PM
These people aren't fleeing the risk of catching Covid, but fleeing the lockdown. Hopefully none have picked up a hitch hiker
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Post by: Rhojef on May 28, 2021, 07:21:32 AM
Had the jab on Wednesday arvo. Woke up yesterday feeling like I'd been hit by a bus. Aches all over my body and tired.
All good this morning and happy considering the alternative.  :cheers:
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Post by: Spada on May 28, 2021, 09:19:23 AM
Had the jab on Wednesday arvo.

Lucky you, they are doing a Shite job of it in Qld  >:(

I live in a community on the South-Western fringe of suburban Brisbane. According to the last census data (2016) this community has a population of 11,775 people (it's grown heaps since 2016 though). There is 1 GP practice (with about 5 doctors + QML) in this community. When I rang them at the start of week to try and get the jab, they told me that their allocation is 50 doses per week ::) My maths suggest that at that rate, it'll take 235 weeks just for everyone to get their 1st dose  >:( >:( >:(
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Post by: Bird on May 28, 2021, 09:45:36 AM
Got to the shops yesterday bout 5, Coles - all bread gone all pasta gone, Shit tickets - GONE LMAO!
Then left Coles, and next to Bakers Delight was also cleaned out... butcher was doing roaring trade..

WTF people, its 7 days... not 7 centuries.
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Post by: Hairs on May 28, 2021, 09:53:41 AM
Got to the shops yesterday bout 5, Coles - all bread gone all pasta gone, Shit tickets - GONE LMAO!
Then left Coles, and next to Bakers Delight was also cleaned out... butcher was doing roaring trade..

WTF people, its 7 days... not 7 centuries.
It will never change mate  :(
90% of the population are Sheep.

It's going to be tough, no Job Keeper, businesses that have employed staff will have to lay them off.

Take care.



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Post by: Bird on May 28, 2021, 10:12:53 AM
Quote from: Hairs
It's going to be tough, no Job Keeper, businesses that have employed staff will have to lay them off
there was some bloke on Sky AM Agenda talking bout this too... Be interesting to see the unemployment fictional figure drop again this month
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Post by: wakychapmans on May 28, 2021, 01:27:42 PM
Had the jab on Wednesday arvo. Woke up yesterday feeling like I'd been hit by a bus. Aches all over my body and tired.
All good this morning and happy considering the alternative.  :cheers:
Pretty much my experience to a T...

had the jab early on Monday last week. Was ok the first day. Day 2 though... I was feeling like Shit. Just aches and flu feeling all over.

by Wednesday morning I was fine again.

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Post by: Bird on May 28, 2021, 01:31:54 PM
Pretty much my experience to a T...

had the jab early on Monday last week. Was ok the first day. Day 2 though... I was feeling like Shit. Just aches and flu feeling all over.

by Wednesday morning I was fine again.
which one did you have?
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Post by: manchu on May 28, 2021, 01:38:51 PM
Booked in for my pfizer jab #1 on monday.       I'll have to venture out of the my 5km zone though.  hope I don't get in trouble   ;D
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Post by: wakychapmans on May 28, 2021, 02:58:07 PM
which one did you have?

I'm 56.

AstraZeneca

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Post by: Steffo1 on May 28, 2021, 03:08:46 PM
I had my 1st AZ a week and a half ago and had no reactions whatsoever so, don't be put off.
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Post by: austastar on May 28, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
Ditto!

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Post by: alnjan on May 28, 2021, 05:19:09 PM
Boked in for the first AZ jab on July 2.   
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on May 29, 2021, 03:17:55 AM
I think we are both booked in for Monday week for a poke.
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Post by: Hairs on May 31, 2021, 06:10:52 PM
Boked in for the first AZ jab on July 2.
June 22nd for me.
Being over 50 & a First Responder.
RFS members are encouraged too.
I am having it because in my day to day work, I deal with a lot of the eldery.

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Post by: Pottsy on May 31, 2021, 06:33:46 PM
1st AZ jabs tomorrow for both the missus and I. It will be interesting to see if either of us get any aches and pains.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on May 31, 2021, 06:35:17 PM
Had mine yesterday and it knocked me over last night, bit better today. Hopefully I improve tomorrow

GG

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Post by: Bird on May 31, 2021, 06:39:34 PM
Had mine yesterday and it knocked me over last night, bit better today. Hopefully I improve tomorrow

GG

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again which one did ya get?
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Post by: Hairs on May 31, 2021, 06:46:52 PM
I might be missing something here, Retirement homes/nursing homes, why/how does this virus make it into these facilities?
My mother-law is in a home, it is a drawn out step by step proccess just to see her for an hour.
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Post by: #jonesy on May 31, 2021, 07:09:56 PM
I might be missing something here, Retirement homes/nursing homes, why/how does this virus make it into these facilities?
My mother-law is in a home, it is a drawn out step by step proccess just to see her for an hour.
Workers just walk straight in the door each day.
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Post by: Hairs on May 31, 2021, 07:18:47 PM
Workers just walk straight in the door each day.
Well, that's just wrong that they do.
No wonder Shite hits the fan.
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Post by: Pete79 on May 31, 2021, 07:31:25 PM
And it’s just another one of those industries that profits dictated all employees should be casually employed.

And as we all know, casual employees generally have to work several jobs to earn a decent wage.

So now we have staff working in several different retirement villages and spreading the virus to all of those poor unvaccinated elderly people.

This is pretty much exactly how the last mess happened, only this time it’s happened to a group of people that were supposed to be fully vaccinated 2 months ago. :(
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Post by: rags on May 31, 2021, 07:59:37 PM

This is pretty much exactly how the last mess happened, only this time it’s happened to a group of people that were supposed to be fully vaccinated 2 months ago. :(

It may be the case that is another group of people who maybe choosing not to be vaccinated, which apparently is the case of the 92 year old patient who has contracted the virus.
Some residents are of sound mind but trapped in buggered bodies and so I’m guessing  they figure that when you hate your quality of life, refuse the shot and it maybe a ticket to clock out of this life.
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Post by: Hairs on May 31, 2021, 08:19:38 PM


Some residents are of sound mind but trapped in buggered bodies and so I’m guessing  they figure that when you hate your quality of life, refuse the shot and it maybe a ticket to clock out of this life.
Man, as much as I agree with you.
That's A bloody sad indictment on our society.
There's another discussion for later, voluntarily.....




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Post by: alnjan on May 31, 2021, 08:54:24 PM
Our Daughter went into Quarantine Yesterday morning in Sydney.   Some of the things you don't think of.    After being in the States for five years trying to get her phone to work as a phone in Australia.   Hotel had a Optus sim card.  Great.  Not.    Her American carrier will not unlock her phone but they will 'buy her phone'.  That works.   Spoke to Optus about getting a phone to her.   Told to go online and buy one and they will send it to her but that could take two weeks.    She will be out by then.   Went to Post Office and bought a unlocked smart phone and mailed it Express so hopefully tomorrow or the next day she will have a new phone.   

Part of the reason for a new phone is due to food.   While the Hotel she is Quarantining in the menu for today is just not the food she eats.   Uber eats will deliver to the Hotel but needs a phone number.    The other option is to get Woolworths online to deliver 'snacks' to Hotel.  Other food items from the Hotel is over priced by comparison. 

Tomorrow could be sorting out her old bank account and an active visa card.   

Her Cousin, the only other family living in Sydney is isolating waiting for a test result before they can get anything for her. 
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Post by: GeoffA on May 31, 2021, 10:08:22 PM
Mrs and I had our AZ jabs yesterday.
She had a very light headache this morning, and was a bit tired later in today. A nanna nap fixed both.
I've not noticed anything at all.....not yet, anyway....

 :cheers:


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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 01, 2021, 03:37:43 AM
I might be missing something here, Retirement homes/nursing homes, why/how does this virus make it into these facilities?
My mother-law is in a home, it is a drawn out step by step proccess just to see her for an hour.

Visitors.
Carers.
The mower man.
Cleaners.
Taxi drivers.
Courier drivers.
Staff.
Delivery drivers.
Tradies.

I hope this helps.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on June 01, 2021, 06:08:31 AM
again which one did ya get?
At 50 I had no choice, I got the AZ

GG

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Post by: Hairs on June 01, 2021, 06:12:26 AM
Cheers Kev,
Just heard a news report that some of the staff of these Homes, work at several Homes. Authorities are surprised that numbers aren't higher.
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Post by: Pete79 on June 01, 2021, 07:59:04 AM
It may be the case that is another group of people who maybe choosing not to be vaccinated, which apparently is the case of the 92 year old patient who has contracted the virus.
Some residents are of sound mind but trapped in buggered bodies and so I’m guessing  they figure that when you hate your quality of life, refuse the shot and it maybe a ticket to clock out of this life.
Sadly, you’re probably right there as well.

They’re saying today there is still 6 facilities that haven’t had a single dose and 600 facilities that have only had one dose. Everyone in these places were supposed to be fully done by March, it’s now June.....

Though I’m sure there is some elderly that will decline the shots as you have suggested, the fact that there is still a huge chunk of the staff working in these age (and disability) care facilities that haven’t had an opportunity to get vaccinated is just disgusting.

On a positive note, it’s great to see all of the posts on here with so many swaggers getting their jabs. Well done team!

Even if I am a little jealous of you oldies.  ;)

My work puts me in situations where I come in close contact with goods from infected facilities.
I just happened to be in a business with goods from the Grand Chancellor soon after the last outbreak in Brisbane. The business owner just mentioned it in passing and I stayed the hell away from that part of the building after that.
I also do a lot of work in hospital facilities that have goods coming straight from the COVID wards.
Even though I work in potentially high risk environments, constantly travel interstate and to New Zealand and I live with elderly parents, I have little faith in getting my vaccinations any time soon. :(

As I’m under 50, I’m not on any of the vaccine roll out plans. I saw a depressing graph last night and on current projections I shouldn’t expect to be getting a jab until the end of the year at the earliest, most likely early next year.

We’ll see what actually happens in the wash up of this current disaster, but at the moment I have little confidence in those that are supposedly in charge right now doing the right thing to protect ALL of us.
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Post by: jclures on June 01, 2021, 09:32:59 AM
I tried to make an appointment for the jab, but no time slots available for the next month. ???
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Post by: Bird on June 01, 2021, 09:39:32 AM
Quote from: alnjan
Her American carrier will not unlock her phone but they will 'buy her phone'. 
plenty of dodgy joints around work that unlock phones for few bux ;) Im sure there'd be somewhere close by you guys that would do it too
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Post by: Bird on June 01, 2021, 10:06:50 AM
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/mass-vaccine-centres-start-offering-pfizer-shots-to-walk-ins-under-50-20210531-p57wsj.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/mass-vaccine-centres-start-offering-pfizer-shots-to-walk-ins-under-50-20210531-p57wsj.html)

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/book-your-vaccine-appointment (https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/book-your-vaccine-appointment)
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Post by: alnjan on June 02, 2021, 09:36:46 AM
plenty of dodgy joints around work that unlock phones for few bux ;) Im sure there'd be somewhere close by you guys that would do it too

Will sort that out after she is out of Quarantine
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Post by: Bird on June 02, 2021, 09:51:46 AM
6 cases from 51,000 tests aint bad....
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Post by: NZMarkb on June 02, 2021, 09:54:55 AM
6 cases from 51,000 tests aint bad....

Well within the margin of error I'd say  :laugh: :laugh:
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Post by: Kangaron on June 02, 2021, 10:35:22 AM
Just got early mail from a former colleague [ with more Shit on his shoulders than I ever had ] that the lockdown will be extended till after Queens birthday long weekend.  :'(
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Post by: Bird on June 02, 2021, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Kangaron
Just got early mail from a former colleague [ with more Shit on his shoulders than I ever had ] that the lockdown will be extended till after Queens birthday long weekend.  :'(
my shocked look
(https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/9d/9d16d19abd805da86752e4cce12a13f2.jpeg)
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Post by: manchu on June 02, 2021, 11:05:25 AM
Just got early mail from a former colleague [ with more Shit on his shoulders than I ever had ] that the lockdown will be extended till after Queens birthday long weekend.  :'(

thanks for the heads up.   

I'm not surprised although I did only expect a ~1 week extension to start with.       Keeping the lockdown through the long weekend does make sense in some respects though. 





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Post by: Kangaron on June 02, 2021, 12:27:07 PM
Well partially right, a 7 day extension with Melbournites unable to travel to regional vic during the Queens Birthday w/e
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Post by: manchu on June 02, 2021, 12:39:42 PM
Well partially right, a 7 day extension with Melbournites unable to travel to regional vic during the Queens Birthday w/e

and extension through the long weekend "not ruled out".   
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Post by: Hairs on June 02, 2021, 08:45:27 PM
This Shite isn't going to end soon.
Just my 2 bobs worth.
And No I don't have a magic bullet, This Farker keeps changing.
Ok, so we all have our Covid vaccines, it keeps mutating, we'll need a New vaccine.
Every year the Flu vaccine is different to last years, that keeps evolving.

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Post by: alnjan on June 02, 2021, 09:26:17 PM
Out Daughter is into Day 4 of her Quarantine in Sydney. 
She now has a phone that works in Australia
Her Australian Visa Card works

The Hotel delivers breakfast, lunch and tea, but sometimes the food is a bit, hmm, not common.   She prefers the bland common food.
For example Breakfast this morning was "Sauteed eggs with spring onion on toasted soar dough and smoked salmon."  she said the Scrambled Eggs tasted of only onion.   

Along with Uber Eats delivering to the Hotel, see also found that Woolworths also deliver to the Hotel.  So after scrapping the eggs and salmon out she could use the styrofoam container as a bowl for her gluten free cereal.   

Today she was told they are now doing an extra COVID test on day 7 now along with Day 12.   
Not sure what difference it will make but not much choice in the matter

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Post by: Pete79 on June 03, 2021, 07:35:45 AM
The Hotel delivers breakfast, lunch and tea, but sometimes the food is a bit, hmm, not common.   She prefers the bland common food.
Funny, as soon as I read this I thought if she’s been living in the States then she wouldn’t be used to the taste of real eggs.
Then I read your next sentence... ;)

The yanks do a lot of crap food, most of it didn’t bother me too much.
But damned if I could find a decent breakfast anywhere in that country, I have no idea how they can all make a simple egg taste so bad.

Anyway, hope your daughter makes it through quarantine uninfected.
I think the 7 day test is to find cases early and make sure they isolate them properly to try and ensure no more spread inside the hotels.
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Post by: gronk on June 03, 2021, 08:07:53 AM
This Shite isn't going to end soon.
Just my 2 bobs worth.
And No I don't have a magic bullet, This Farker keeps changing.
Ok, so we all have our Covid vaccines, it keeps mutating, we'll need a New vaccine.
Every year the Flu vaccine is different to last years, that keeps evolving.

I’ve got a magic bullet……extend the quarantine period for returned travellers. And prevent cross contamination with the people looking after them.
They’ve had 12 months to get this part right and they still have failures.
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Post by: Spada on June 03, 2021, 09:16:16 AM
Got the 1st dose of the AstraZeneka vaccine yesterday, so far all good as far as after-effects go.

Doc explained possible side effects for an otherwise healthy person before hand and they were- (best as I recall the percentages, it was a lot to take in)
most will have some local minor irritation in the area of the injection
about 60% may suffer tiredness & mild headaches for 1 or 2 days after
about 40% may also develop a mild fever for 1 to 2 days after
about 20% may get cold shivers associated with the mild fever within 24hours (more prevalent in men)
about 1 in 1,000,000 could develop an anaphylactic reaction
about 4-6 in 1,000,000 could develop blood clotting

Don't quote me on the statistics though, that's just what I recall from the conversation before the jab. The doc asked a gazillion questions about allergies, general health, medical history, medications etc, etc, etc, all from a prepared questionnaire/tick the box checklist. Most questions seemed to focus on conditions which affect blood supply, and any yes answers changed the risk value of post vaccine side affects, and increased the amount of time you have to stay on site after the injection for observation. Here's a link to the info pack you should be given after the jab - https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/04/covid-19-vaccination-after-your-astrazeneca-vaccine-covid-19-vaccination-after-your-astrazeneca-vaccine.pdf (https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/04/covid-19-vaccination-after-your-astrazeneca-vaccine-covid-19-vaccination-after-your-astrazeneca-vaccine.pdf)

I'm almost at the end of the 1st 24 hours and so far all good. Left arm is a teensy bit tender from the jab (feels a bit like a mild bruise), but otherwise all good.

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Post by: Pottsy on June 03, 2021, 09:23:08 AM
Both the wife and I are at the 45 hour mark since our AZ vaccinations, similar experience to Spada re questioning and the statistics discussed. Neither of us have had any side effects, injection site is slightly tender, that’s about it so I think we have escaped Scott free.
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Post by: Wolfie on June 03, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
22 days since ours, out of the over hyped blood clot danger zone. No side effect other the a very mildly tender arm for one or two days.
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Post by: glenm64 on June 03, 2021, 11:28:24 AM
Dont get me wrong, the jab is what we need to past the crazy lockdown cycles we get stuck in.
but..... theres been 1.4 million doses of AZ with 11 cases of clotting, so the maths of 1 in how ever million doesnt add up.
Im just doing the maths.
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Post by: Spada on June 03, 2021, 12:39:30 PM
but..... theres been 1.4 million doses of AZ with 11 cases of clotting, so the maths of 1 in how ever million doesnt add up.
Im just doing the maths.

Yeah, you're right Glen. I was quoting from memory, not fact :-[ Just had a read of the literature they hand out and it has this-
Quote
A very rare side effect of an unusual condition involving blood clotting and low blood
platelet count may occur after of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine. This affects
approximately 4 to 6 out of a million people after receiving a first dose, but has not
been seen after the second dose of this vaccine.

That's a little closer to what your maths suggests? I kind of suspect that number might flatten out a bit as we move on. After all, the biggest demographic that has had a dose so far is the oldies which are more likely have a higher ratio of pre-existing health issues than the younger/fitter demographic?
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Post by: glenm64 on June 03, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Ive also heard that the demographics for the AZ vaccine target group significant have blood thinner medications, which helps to reduce the clotting risk. I dont know if that is factual or not, but if it is it may mean the clotting risk is higher if your not on thinners, dont know.
The best thing any government can do to build confidence is be open and honest. Aussies are pretty good at sniffing out B.S. and then that gets people off side that would have normally been on side if they were told the truth. Getting confidence back is one of the hardest things to do.
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Post by: rags on June 03, 2021, 06:21:51 PM
Ive also heard that the demographics for the AZ vaccine target group significant have blood thinner medications, which helps to reduce the clotting risk. I dont know if that is factual or not, but if it is it may mean the clotting risk is higher if your not on thinners, dont know.
The best thing any government can do to build confidence is be open and honest. Aussies are pretty good at sniffing out B.S. and then that gets people off side that would have normally been on side if they were told the truth. Getting confidence back is one of the hardest things to do.

Now I’m no Doctor but am wondering why we don’t take a daily Aspirin tablet for a period of time before getting the AZ shot. Aspirin is commonly used as a blood thinner for people at risk of stroke and cardiac issues.
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Post by: D4D on June 03, 2021, 07:20:33 PM
but..... theres been 1.4 million doses of AZ with 11 cases of clotting, so the maths of 1 in how ever million doesnt add up.

Further data here, not good if you're one of the 40. Whilst the probability is low the impact is very high.
https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/eight-new-cases-of-blood-clots-related-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-reported/news-story/8bde5cceea518e7b19ae3acc5fd57714 (https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/eight-new-cases-of-blood-clots-related-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-reported/news-story/8bde5cceea518e7b19ae3acc5fd57714)
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Post by: Steffo1 on June 03, 2021, 07:31:35 PM
Stats?

https://www.pbi.org.au/what-is-thrombosis (https://www.pbi.org.au/what-is-thrombosis)
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Post by: glenm64 on June 03, 2021, 08:36:59 PM
Further data here, not good if you're one of the 40. Whilst the probability is low the impact is very high.
https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/eight-new-cases-of-blood-clots-related-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-reported/news-story/8bde5cceea518e7b19ae3acc5fd57714 (https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/eight-new-cases-of-blood-clots-related-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-reported/news-story/8bde5cceea518e7b19ae3acc5fd57714)
Well that's a lot more than what I read. Does nothing for confidence in AZ.
Many people  reason (until an outbreak) that even though the risk of clotting is low, so is the risk of COVID.
Gov needs to roll out mRNA vaccines across the board for those that want it. That may well get the vaccination take up higher a lot quicker

 

Cheers Glen

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Post by: #jonesy on June 03, 2021, 09:05:13 PM
Now I’m no Doctor but am wondering why we don’t take a daily Aspirin tablet for a period of time before getting the AZ shot. Aspirin is commonly used as a blood thinner for people at risk of stroke and cardiac issues.
It is some weird sort of clotting.  Blood clots, forming in blood that is also at the same time low in platelets.  Platelets cause clotting. 

I just wish there was more public info about rate of side effects before you are sitting in the chair.  I'd still have it, I would just make sure I was ready for the side effects
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Post by: Pete79 on June 03, 2021, 09:23:23 PM
Up until now the government’s official line on clots was 1 in 100,000.
Based on these latest 41 cases of clotting that number is now more like 1 in 34,000.
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Post by: gronk on June 03, 2021, 10:26:18 PM
Now I’m no Doctor but am wondering why we don’t take a daily Aspirin tablet for a period of time before getting the AZ shot. Aspirin is commonly used as a blood thinner for people at risk of stroke and cardiac issues.

Sometimes advised for all people over 55  on a daily basis. Especially as most don’t know if they have underlying cardiac issues. And can save your life if you do have a little hearty !!
Aspirin alone is not advised for long term ( stomach ulcers is one reason ), but something like Cartia is better ( enteric coated aspirin ) so it breaks down lower in the gut or intestine.
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Post by: edz on June 04, 2021, 07:53:12 AM
Some may find this interesting ..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJSUKDng_Ww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJSUKDng_Ww)   
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Post by: gronk on June 04, 2021, 09:41:08 AM
Some may find this interesting ..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJSUKDng_Ww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJSUKDng_Ww)


Was used in India……that went down well ??  ;D
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Post by: Bird on June 04, 2021, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: edz
Some may find this interesting ..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJSUKDng_Ww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJSUKDng_Ww)
interesting if its true and not just click bait.
Hello from Bolivia,
ivermectin home kits were widely distributed last year during the first wave.
Some states acted first and the drop in cases was so significant that the rest of the states soon followed the same protocol.
Few weeks into it, the cases overall dropped from 3000 daily to less than 100.


but no $$$ in it for the pharma companies.
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Post by: DandyD on June 05, 2021, 01:46:48 AM
Up until now the government’s official line on clots was 1 in 100,000.
Based on these latest 41 cases of clotting that number is now more like 1 in 34,000.

I wonder why it is so high. We have around 35 million people vaccinated over here in the UK (not all with the AZ vaccine) and 168 people have developed clots after the AZ. The absolute risk of death by clotting after the AZ vaccine is about one in a million.
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Post by: Pete79 on June 05, 2021, 08:22:13 AM
I wonder why it is so high.
Not sure.
Maybe it was all those years of living under the hole in the ozone layer that has messed up our platelet counts as well as giving us all skin cancer..... :P
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Post by: #jonesy on June 05, 2021, 10:36:24 AM
I wonder why it is so high. We have around 35 million people vaccinated over here in the UK (not all with the AZ vaccine) and 168 people have developed clots after the AZ. The absolute risk of death by clotting after the AZ vaccine is about one in a million.
Our vaccination figures are mostly old people, maybe they are more susceptible to clotting, whereas in the UK those may have already suçumbed to the disease
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Post by: DandyD on June 05, 2021, 05:18:08 PM
Our vaccination figures are mostly old people, maybe they are more susceptible to clotting, whereas in the UK those may have already suçumbed to the disease

It's the other way round.

"Rare blood clots from AstraZeneca vaccine mostly affect younger people"

https://www.ft.com/content/dfaff95b-8f64-4963-9483-494498c55863 (https://www.ft.com/content/dfaff95b-8f64-4963-9483-494498c55863)

The AZ vaccine is only given to over 40s in the UK because of this.



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Post by: #jonesy on June 06, 2021, 02:38:55 PM
My son was booked in for his learners in the first weekend of lockdown.  Thankfully VicRoads released on line learners tests early for him to do.  So he past is it today, bit still doesn't have his learners as he has to go in to the VicRoads office to have his photo and pick it up.
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Post by: Bird on June 06, 2021, 02:56:14 PM
My son was booked in for his learners in the first weekend of lockdown.  Thankfully VicRoads released on line learners tests early for him to do.  So he past is it today, bit still doesn't have his learners as he has to go in to the VicRoads office to have his photo and pick it up.
daughter had to wait 8 months with the backlog from the lockdown to get her L's :(
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Post by: lloydus67 on June 06, 2021, 04:57:03 PM
plenty of dodgy joints around work that unlock phones for few bux ;) Im sure there'd be somewhere close by you guys that would do it too
Are you sure a USA phone will work here? I’m pretty sure that most of there bandwidths are different. I think that they do use 1 common 3G bandwidth, but not 4g or 5G. You may find that she is stuck with a dud phone that only has intermittent coverage.


Sent from me
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Post by: Bird on June 06, 2021, 04:59:56 PM
Are you sure a USA phone will work here? I’m pretty sure that most of there bandwidths are different. I think that they do use 1 common 3G bandwidth, but not 4g or 5G. You may find that she is stuck with a dud phone that only has intermittent coverage.


Sent from me
dunno to be honest, but Aussie phones work there when on holidays or work trips... ?
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Post by: DandyD on June 06, 2021, 08:01:02 PM
I had my second AZ shot yesterday lunchtime.

I'm still here.  :laugh:
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Post by: Bird on June 06, 2021, 09:40:36 PM
Quote from: DandyD
I'm still here.  :laugh:
liar :P
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 07, 2021, 04:49:10 AM
Has anyone else heard the Clive Palmer ads?

I have the radio going in the shed when i work.

There is an ad being pummelled at the moment on radio correcting figures quoted for vaccine injection numbers and issues.
By the time i realise the ads on, its bloody over again.

They are short and sharp.
Tried to google it and can't come up with anything?

We are both getting our jab this morning...... i don't take a whole heap of notice of ol Clive baby.

But interesting, that the big fat Muppet seems to be on a new crusade to save humanity.

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Post by: #jonesy on June 07, 2021, 08:53:22 AM
I'm not sure did I heard one a while ago, or a mailbox drop,  I think it was about the vaccine not being safe as it hasn't gone through all the trials. 

I wouldn't be taking health advice from him. 

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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 07, 2021, 11:40:50 AM
Done and dusted.... Astrid and i have got our first jab.  :angel:
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Post by: Bird on June 07, 2021, 01:11:58 PM
Done and dusted.... Astrid and i have got our first jab.  :angel:
Did you die yet?
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 07, 2021, 01:15:39 PM
Did you die yet?

Nah..... going great, never felt bett..AAARRRRGGGHHHH.....
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Post by: Rowlie on June 07, 2021, 02:16:16 PM
My wife and I are currently travelling in Qld and have been hearing the Clive Palmer ads as we drive. They are misleading in so much as they start quoting Australian stats ie only one Covid related death this year then quotes a figure of over 200,000 adverse reactions to the vaccine which he attributes to TGA stats. I assume he is now referring to world nos. If I was in any doubt about the vaccine before listening to these ads I would be converted by them. Palmer is anything but a picture of health himself and what he knows about this disease could be written on the head of a pin and there would still be room for the Lord's Prayer.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 07, 2021, 02:44:19 PM
Its pretty crook huh.
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Post by: Bird on June 07, 2021, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Rowlie
... and have been hearing the Clive Palmer ads as we drive. They are misleading
a wannabe politician in AU being Misleading?? Why I never...
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Post by: Brij on June 07, 2021, 09:19:28 PM
My wife and I are currently travelling in Qld and have been hearing the Clive Palmer ads as we drive. They are misleading in so much as they start quoting Australian stats ie only one Covid related death this year then quotes a figure of over 200,000 adverse reactions to the vaccine which he attributes to TGA stats. I assume he is now referring to world nos. If I was in any doubt about the vaccine before listening to these ads I would be converted by them. Palmer is anything but a picture of health himself and what he knows about this disease could be written on the head of a pin and there would still be room for the Lord's Prayer.

So if there was 820 deaths in Vic alone last year, and the vacine has only been available this year, and there has only been one death this year it must mean the vacine is working :cup:

Stats are great tools for what ever you are selling :cheers:
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 08, 2021, 04:07:09 AM
OK..... i was hoping i would have no side effects.

Went to bed really early....
Back up at 10 for a pee.... freezing cold, with a wicked dose of the shakes.

Back in bad, shakes stopped and slept till midnight, back up for a pee..... no shakes.

Then, back up at 1... 2... and 3 for a pee and took 2 Panadol rapids for a headache.

Back up at just before 4 for a pee again and Astrid was up as well.

I'm feeling pretty good, with a mild noggin ache.

Astrid was moaning she'd been up nearly all night, having a pee every hour.
She's still a bit cold and icky and gone back to the land of Z's now.

So over all, nothing to be alarmed about or concerned with.  :cup:
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Post by: DandyD on June 08, 2021, 05:04:50 AM
OK..... i was hoping i would have no side effects.

So over all, nothing to be alarmed about or concerned with.  :cup:

I was absolutely knackered for two days after my first AZ. Tired and achy.

After my second... nothing, not even a sore arm.

My mum had the Pfizer and it was the other way round for her.

Mrs Dandy had the Moderna and was fine with the first. Hasn't had the second yet.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 08, 2021, 05:42:58 AM
Funny thing this morning, i was wearing way less for the temp we have or what i would normally have on.

All of a sudden, it was time for the big ol sloppy joe to go on.

I think i've just cleared the side effects perhaps.
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Post by: Rowlie on June 08, 2021, 07:51:12 AM
My wife was pretty crook for 24 hrs so when I had mine a week or so later I deliberately planned nothing for the next day. I actually felt really well, no side effects at all. If anything it was almost like I had a dose of pick me up. I am not sure yet wether I have been sterilised or had a location chip implanted - I guess only time will tell !!!!
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Post by: Bird on June 08, 2021, 10:12:45 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers
Back up at 10 for a pee....
till midnight, back up for a pee.....
up at 1... 2... and 3 for a pee
before 4 for a pee

(http://www.michaelhacker.at/blog/assets/jaw-drop_shop_1400px_homepage1-735x1024.jpg)
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 08, 2021, 10:58:25 AM
I'm always the first one on a road trip to need a pee too.   :-[
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Post by: xcvator on June 08, 2021, 01:12:52 PM
OK..... i was hoping i would have no side effects.

Went to bed really early....
Back up at 10 for a pee.... freezing cold, with a wicked dose of the shakes.

Back in bad, shakes stopped and slept till midnight, back up for a pee..... no shakes.

Then, back up at 1... 2... and 3 for a pee and took 2 Panadol rapids for a headache.

Back up at just before 4 for a pee again and Astrid was up as well.



Nothing to do with covid shot, it's an age thing  >:D ;D
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 08, 2021, 01:50:39 PM
Nothing to do with covid shot, it's an age thing  >:D ;D

I don't think you know, just how correct your statement is.
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Post by: DandyD on June 08, 2021, 05:03:27 PM
I'm always the first one on a road trip to need a pee too.   :-[

I can manage UK to Singapore without needing one. I drive my wife mad on long car journeys because I only want to stop for petrol.
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Post by: Bird on June 09, 2021, 04:47:19 PM
NSWers and Qlders ... stock up on Shit tickets :D

A woman who travelled from Melbourne to Queensland's Sunshine Coast has tested positive for COVID-19, the state's Health Minister Yvette D'Ath has confirmed.

Ms D'Ath said a 44-year-old woman travelled from Victoria through New South Wales and crossed the Queensland border on June 5.
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Post by: plusnq on June 09, 2021, 04:54:43 PM
NSWers and Qlders ... stock up on Shit tickets :D

A woman who travelled from Melbourne to Queensland's Sunshine Coast has tested positive for COVID-19, the state's Health Minister Yvette D'Ath has confirmed.

Ms D'Ath said a 44-year-old woman travelled from Victoria through New South Wales and crossed the Queensland border on June 5.

Great. I thought you lot were all supposed to stay at home?
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Post by: Bird on June 09, 2021, 05:04:09 PM
Great. I thought you lot were all supposed to stay at home?
lol, that 44 yo chick has visited half of NSW ... Forbes, Dubbo, Moree, Gundawindi, about 14 sites ...

****, i stop at about 2 servos on the way to Qld and that is it
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 09, 2021, 05:04:34 PM
Great. I thought you lot were all supposed to stay at home?

They have Beachfest at Caloundra this weekend too.

So some germ ridden covid carrier is trying to drag us down to Victoria's standards now.  ;D
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Post by: Bird on June 09, 2021, 05:05:39 PM
They have Beachfest at Caloundra this weekend too.

So some germ ridden covid carrier is trying to drag us down to Victoria's standards now.  ;D
she might be headed to state of origin :D
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Post by: Steffo1 on June 09, 2021, 05:10:38 PM
If she's done a runner, from Melbourne, I know where she should be headed!
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Post by: Bird on June 09, 2021, 05:18:12 PM
Quote from: Steffo1
If she's done a runner, from Melbourne, I know where she should be headed!
she will get threatened with a 4 trillion $ fine, but get a stern talking to and maybe a finger wave... like everyone else.
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Post by: bmwfreak on June 09, 2021, 05:20:50 PM
Wife and I had our first AZ shot this morning. Starting to think we may have been given a placebo, as there has been no effect whatsoever so far. I even went for a 2k round trip walk to assess any issues that may have caused. Nada.

I guess, because we are in the non contributing demographic of the population now, a placebo shot, a Covid infection, a quick death outside of health care, and gov.co are happy as Larry. No pensions or other support payments to make >:D
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Post by: Steffo1 on June 09, 2021, 05:23:28 PM
Funny, ay! They have a list of where she's been but not where she's staying in Caloundra!

One would think a unit, surely!
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Post by: Pete79 on June 09, 2021, 06:37:06 PM
Exposure sites;
 https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/contact-tracing#QLD (https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/contact-tracing#QLD)
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Post by: Pete79 on June 09, 2021, 06:40:29 PM
Funny, ay! They have a list of where she's been but not where she's staying in Caloundra!

I heard it was the Dicky Beach Caravan park.....




























Only joking fizzie.... ;D
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Post by: DandyD on June 09, 2021, 06:42:25 PM
Starting to think we may have been given a placebo, as there has been no effect whatsoever so far.

If you have had covid, the AZ first shot side effects are usually more pronounced.

My mum was smug after her first Pfizer as she didn't even have a sore arm. The second knocked her for six.
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Post by: D4D on June 10, 2021, 04:01:41 PM
Some more data points on AZ...
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/nsw-womans-death-likely-linked-to-astrazeneca-vaccine/news-story/347f22ec9b3de53a2c1f97fe5905e0df (https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/nsw-womans-death-likely-linked-to-astrazeneca-vaccine/news-story/347f22ec9b3de53a2c1f97fe5905e0df)
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Post by: bmwfreak on June 10, 2021, 06:16:12 PM
End of day 2 after AZ.
Me: no issues or problems
Wife: some soreness from injection site, also some joint pain.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 11, 2021, 04:30:40 AM
A mate of mine got jabbed on Monday..... no side effects at all..... not a friggin thing.
He reckons he got morphine. LOL  ;D

Then he started to waffle on about, how his was free because he works in the Govt. sector at UQ.

He was so disappointed when i shot his fuselage full of holes and he crashed and burned.
But, that's are what good mates are for.   :cheers:





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Post by: Rodt on June 11, 2021, 09:24:44 AM
I was also one of the lucky ones. Had the jab last Thursday, a very slightly sore arm (when i pushed on it) Friday then nothing.

Wife got hers Wednesday arvo and had pretty sore arm yesterday (when i pushed on it). Will have to see today I suppose.

Driving to Qld tomorrow morning for a week and going through Moree and Goondiwindi. Will need to drive through with windows up and be ready to run over anyone walking around on the roadway. That's what they do in Zombie movies anyway and this is the same isn't it?
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Post by: bmwfreak on June 11, 2021, 06:47:29 PM
Wife got hers Wednesday arvo and had pretty sore arm yesterday (when i pushed on it).

I tried this with my wife, and finished up picking myself up off the floor. I guess my push was a bit much ???
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Post by: Pete79 on June 11, 2021, 08:34:30 PM
5 more lockdown dodgers caught in QLD.

 https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-queensland-no-new-cases-investigations-into-couple-continue/4b43944c-5dc1-40cf-90a8-9a278c6f30f2 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-queensland-no-new-cases-investigations-into-couple-continue/4b43944c-5dc1-40cf-90a8-9a278c6f30f2)

They still haven’t released any photos of the first 2 Corona carriers that snuck in the back door last week.
I guess that means they aren’t as ugly as the 2 chicks that got splashed all over the news papers and hunted down by everyone last year…. ::)
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Post by: Bird on June 11, 2021, 10:54:49 PM
Quote from: Pete79
as ugly as the 2 chicks that got splashed all over the news papers and hunted down by everyone last year…. ::)
what happened to the fish people in the end??
(https://imagez.tmz.com/image/ab/4by3/2020/05/04/ab7c44aeed8b41ee9851a5d164ca5818_md.jpg)
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 12, 2021, 03:35:43 AM
After reading Pete's newspaper link.
I didn't know the border checkpoints were still a thing.

I thought they dismantled all that. Maybe i do need to watch the news after all.
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Post by: Bird on June 17, 2021, 02:24:03 PM
Victoria

Health Minister Greg Hunt says the government has accepted the advice and Pfizer will be immediately available to those 40-59 years old.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on June 17, 2021, 03:06:04 PM
Victoria

Health Minister Greg Hunt says the government has accepted the advice and Pfizer will be immediately available to those 40-59 years old.

Great, i am halfway through. I guess i have to keep going on the AZ train wreck ride

GG
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Post by: Bird on June 17, 2021, 03:13:09 PM
Great, i am halfway through. I guess i have to keep going on the AZ train wreck ride

GG
it was worth holding off :P
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 17, 2021, 03:27:21 PM
I was too old..... i was getting AZ whether i liked it or not i think.

Mind you, i got a better chance of being hit by lightning or being beaten to death in my sleep by Astrid than i have of getting a blood clot.

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Post by: D4D on June 17, 2021, 03:38:53 PM
Earliest booking on the DHHS site is now mid July...
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Post by: #jonesy on June 17, 2021, 03:43:37 PM
The advice is if you had AZ first dose is to follow up with the second.  Heard that on the radio 2:30 pm on the way home after having just had my second at 2pm.  Might explain the no delay in the AZ queue at the Royal Exhibition Building.  With more staff than patients.  The other queue looked like a looking wait. 

No comment by the staff about the new changes.  Maybe they didn't know.

Oh well, if you never hear from me again, blame the blood clots. 
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Post by: jclures on June 17, 2021, 04:14:22 PM
Bonnie and I both had our first shot on Tuesday, yesterday we both felt a little off, but nothing today. We are both over 60 so it was the AZ shot.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 17, 2021, 04:20:03 PM
The advice is if you had AZ first dose is to follow up with the second.  Heard that on the radio 2:30 pm on the way home after having just had my second at 2pm.  Might explain the no delay in the AZ queue at the Royal Exhibition Building.  With more staff than patients.  The other queue looked like a looking wait. 

No comment by the staff about the new changes.  Maybe they didn't know.

Oh well, if you never hear from me again, blame the blood clots.

Just in case.... bye.
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Post by: Bird on June 17, 2021, 04:36:06 PM
Quote from: #jonesy
Oh well, if you never hear from me again, blame the blood clots.
leave me your lux :P
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Post by: DandyD on June 18, 2021, 03:34:30 AM
Great, i am halfway through. I guess i have to keep going on the AZ train wreck ride

GG

I've had both. Didn't even get a sore arm the second time around.

Blood clot risk after the second dose estimated to be around 1 in 600,000. To put that into perspective, blood clots caused by the contraceptive pill run at about 1 in 1000. The vast majority of people who suffer blood clots make a full recovery.

The key thing is to remember is that if you have blood clots after your first shot, don't get the second.
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Post by: #jonesy on June 18, 2021, 05:48:45 AM
Went home yesterday after the second AZ.  After the bad reaction last time and what little info there was about side effects on the second I expected similar, and maybe just a quicker onset.  Even planned so if I was crook I still had a workday in the week to take a sickie.last night I say watching tele, waiting for the inevitable, and NOTHING

This morning only the very slightest tenderness, which is no different to any other vaccination i have ever had.
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Post by: Spada on June 18, 2021, 06:20:16 AM
Blood clot risk after the second dose estimated to be around 1 in 600,000. To put that into perspective, blood clots caused by the contraceptive pill run at about 1 in 1000. The vast majority of people who suffer blood clots make a full recovery.

Very valid point DandyD.
In Australia every single day an average of 107 people are admitted to hospital from car accidents, and every single day an average of 3 people DIE from car accidents....... yet we are all completely comfortable to accept that risk and get in our cars.
(statistic here-https://www.bitre.gov.au/statistics/safety#:~:text=Hospitalised%20Injuries%3A&text=In%202017%2D18%2C%20there%20were,per%20100%2C000%20population%20was%20156.5. (https://www.bitre.gov.au/statistics/safety#:~:text=Hospitalised%20Injuries%3A&text=In%202017%2D18%2C%20there%20were,per%20100%2C000%20population%20was%20156.5.))

For some reason (and I blame media sensationalism) society seems to be a little hysterical about the risk associated with the vaccine, even though the risk of illness/death is significantly lower than driving your car to work  ???
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Post by: Pete79 on June 18, 2021, 06:51:30 AM
Or if you think of it like car companies.
The guys in charge of getting the jab into everyone’s arms at the moment are like Jeep, they have 3 or 4 little fires and they let public convince each other that they shouldn’t buy their brand.

Where as they really should have been more like Toyota and suffer from hundreds of thousands of failures and yet still somehow convince the public that they are awesome…. ;)

They put all of their eggs in one basket, then they said there might have been some issues with that one, then they said it wasn’t a race and you don’t have to worry that there isn’t enough supply, then they said there’s actually a few more issues then they originally thought, then they said maybe you should have it if you’re under 50, sorry now it’s under 60.

So now you have a huge section of the public that want to get this done, but don’t trust what they’re being sold, just like Jeeps… :P
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Post by: gronk on June 18, 2021, 09:13:44 AM
I’m 62. It used to be anyone over 50 would get the Astro…….now it’s anyone over 60 gets it.
I’m going to wait until it’s over70, then I’ll get the pfizer.  Win, win.!!
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Post by: Bird on June 18, 2021, 10:14:21 AM
Quote from: gronk
I’m going to wait until it’s over70, then I’ll get the pfizer.  Win, win.!!

100's have been calling up cancelling... cant blame em either.
But bet it wasnt part of their plan LMAO
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Post by: Troopy_03 on June 18, 2021, 02:32:15 PM
Well I had no problem with getting the AZ shot about 7:30 last night. And bugger all queue to get in. Just a very slight muscle soreness on the area of the jab, but no different to most jabs. Certainly a lot less of an effect than the Cholera shots I used to get roughly every 3 to 6 months, for about 20 years.
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Post by: Hairs on June 18, 2021, 03:03:07 PM
QLD has just labelled Sydney LGA a Red Zone, Hot Spot.
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Post by: Bird on June 18, 2021, 05:15:11 PM
QLD has just labelled Sydney LGA a Red Zone, Hot Spot.
Deadset theres nothing HOT about Shitney.... Anywhere LOL :D
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Post by: Hairs on June 18, 2021, 05:30:45 PM
Deadset theres nothing HOT about Shitney.... Anywhere LOL :D
Ahahaha,
You'd be right about that.
;)
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Post by: DandyD on June 18, 2021, 05:55:55 PM
If you want to get some idea of the chances of covid killing you, try this…

https://www.qcovid.org/Calculation (https://www.qcovid.org/Calculation)

It’s a kosher tool developed by Oxford University.

Mine was about 1 in 7000, which is sobering  >:( Although, I did get it and it didn’t kill me. :D
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Post by: rags on June 18, 2021, 08:39:38 PM
Just googled the risks from Pfizer and they seem not that different

chest pain or pressure,
pain spreading to your jaw or shoulder,
nausea,
sweating,
vision changes,
sudden vision loss,
severe shortness of breath,
cough with foamy mucus,
ringing in your ears,
sudden hearing loss,
irregular heartbeat,
swelling in your hands, ankles or feet,
seizure (convulsions), and
lightheadedness

Then I realised that this was for Pfizer Viagra.
Oh well, I guess most 50 plus year old blokes would be happy to take the risk if they could get their hands on Pfizer Viagra.
Not sure why a COVID vaccine is a problem with similar risks


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Post by: Mace on June 19, 2021, 11:53:18 AM

Mine was about 1 in 7000, which is sobering  >:( Although, I did get it and it didn’t kill me. :D

Its a pity they dont have a localized version of this tool here....  Might encourage a few to get the jab.

Oh, and Im 1 in 851.    Very sobering.
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Post by: Steffo1 on June 19, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
Its a pity they dont have a localized version of this tool here....  Might encourage a few to get the jab.

I doubt it, mace. Pre social media, there was only a certain amount of gullibility in the populace. There most certainly was a bit of stupidity, too.
These days, people are maxing out on both!
 "Gullidity", perhaps?
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Post by: DandyD on June 19, 2021, 05:27:18 PM
Oh, and Im 1 in 851.    Very sobering.

I played around with the figures and me losing a stone in weight improved(?) the odds from 1 in 7k to 1 in 8k. I might skip breakfast today.

Or maybe tomorrow.
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Post by: Bird on June 22, 2021, 01:57:28 PM
Welcome to the club...
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/queensland-records-one-community-case-of-covid-after-hotel-leak-20210622-p5834n.html (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/queensland-records-one-community-case-of-covid-after-hotel-leak-20210622-p5834n.html)
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Post by: D4D on June 22, 2021, 02:11:03 PM
Trying to book a vax via both the VIC Gov and Commonwealth providers. Looked up to the end of October and couldn't find anything available.
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Post by: HKB Electronics on June 22, 2021, 02:22:55 PM
Try Medical one they have a booking in two days for astra
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Post by: alnjan on June 22, 2021, 05:03:48 PM
Was booked in for the AZ vaccine on the 2 July.   Now they have changed the AZ for 60 and older, we can not get the AZ.   Went through the website to book in for the Pfizer Vaccine and now wait till the 16th August.   
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Post by: Hairs on June 22, 2021, 05:21:17 PM
Was booked in for the AZ vaccine on the 2 July.   Now they have changed the AZ for 60 and older, we can not get the AZ.   Went through the website to book in for the Pfizer Vaccine and now wait till the 16th August.
Had an appointment today at 11.45am, Yamba. Battled the traffic, roundabout construction at Shores Dr, a total bum fight.
11.40am walk in the door, Hi I'm Jon, have a booking for the Covid Vaccination, told to take a seat, 3/4 of an hour later a woman comes to me and says.
'We've been trying to contact you for three weeks, the phone number we have isn't connected, do you still live at xyz Woodford Island?'
I haven't had that landline for over ten years, that address I lived there in 1997, where have you got those details from?
Your Medicare details.
No you are wrong, so I logged into MyGov, opened up the my details section, my details are correct with Medicare.
They replied you are not over 60, here is a 1800 number, you'll have to go to Grafton.
I jumped in my Ute to head back to Maclean  to at least do one small job, rang the number through hands-free, 2 hours and nobody answered.
What a bloody joke.
Speaking with a couple of others late this arvo, same thing has happened to them.
GRRR
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Post by: alnjan on June 22, 2021, 08:42:44 PM
Had an appointment today at 11.45am, Yamba. Battled the traffic, roundabout construction at Shores Dr, a total bum fight.
11.40am walk in the door, Hi I'm Jon, have a booking for the Covid Vaccination, told to take a seat, 3/4 of an hour later a woman comes to me and says.
'We've been trying to contact you for three weeks, the phone number we have isn't connected, do you still live at xyz Woodford Island?'
I haven't had that landline for over ten years, that address I lived there in 1997, where have you got those details from?
Your Medicare details.
No you are wrong, so I logged into MyGov, opened up the my details section, my details are correct with Medicare.
They replied you are not over 60, here is a 1800 number, you'll have to go to Grafton.
I jumped in my Ute to head back to Maclean  to at least do one small job, rang the number through hands-free, 2 hours and nobody answered.
What a bloody joke.
Speaking with a couple of others late this arvo, same thing has happened to them.
GRRR

They told us to go online, via nsw.gov.au and go to the Covid Vaccines.   Went through and got the appointments pretty easy.   Just have to wait for them. 

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/health-and-wellbeing/covid-19-vaccination-nsw/getting-vaccinated (https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/health-and-wellbeing/covid-19-vaccination-nsw/getting-vaccinated)
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Post by: Hairs on June 23, 2021, 06:23:17 AM
Tried to online, directs me to the Grafton clinic, and I have to ring the same 1800 number.
Hmmm
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Post by: alnjan on June 23, 2021, 11:50:42 AM
Tried to online, directs me to the Grafton clinic, and I have ring the same 1800 number.
Hmmm

Is that confirmation how far behind the times Grafton is????? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Hairs on June 23, 2021, 12:42:55 PM
Is that confirmation how far behind the times Grafton is????? ;D ;D ;D ;D
More than likely.
Just spoke to a couple, three days ago they both left details for a call back, they haven't heard a word.
A lady said she waited 3 hours on the phone and the connection dropped out, it was a landline she rang from.
Seems to be a Dogs breakfast.
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Post by: alnjan on June 23, 2021, 12:58:54 PM
More than likely.
Just spoke to a couple, three days ago they both left details for a call back, they haven't heard a word.
A lady said she waited 3 hours on the phone and the connection dropped out, it was a landline she rang from.
Seems to be a Dogs breakfast.

Online was easy, did mine in a couple of minutes.   Went to do the brides and the system allegedly had a melt down and stopped texting the code to your phone for confirmation.   Did hers a couple of hours later.  At least we got appointments the same day just an hour and a half apart for the first one and same date/time for the second one.   
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Post by: gronk on June 23, 2021, 04:14:16 PM
Missus works at a nursing home…she missed the Pfizer when they came around, so today I tried to book her in to a hospital to get the Pfizer…..online with some service nsw site….all filled out….till it came for a time……..1st available time…..1/1/2022.

She’s getting the other vaccine in 2 days time…..
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Post by: DandyD on June 23, 2021, 06:35:55 PM
My wife had the Moderna and wanted to bring the second shot forward from the default 12 weeks. No chance. There are no spare slots for Moderna at all. It seems to be quite rare here.
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Post by: Rob Mac on June 23, 2021, 08:06:17 PM
Had my first AZ vaccine today, so far no sore arm, took my temp and blood pressure about an hour ago, temp was up a little. Don’t feel feverish, will check again before I go to bed.
My GP clinic does them, my oncologist last week said to have it.
See how I go.
Cheers
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Post by: sharkcaver on June 23, 2021, 08:10:57 PM
I was lucky. I tried booking online today, the first slot being 6 weeks away.

So I walked past the clinic and asked about a walk in. He said sure, if you have a drivers licence and a Medicare card, we can do it now.

1/2 hour later, and I'm on my way, first jab down. 2nd jab booked in in 3 weeks time.

Screw the booking online business.

As it stands, Pfizer #1 has been a fizzer. No symptoms at all.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 24, 2021, 04:29:38 AM
I was lucky. I tried booking online today, the first slot being 6 weeks away.

So I walked past the clinic and asked about a walk in. He said sure, if you have a drivers licence and a Medicare card, we can do it now.

1/2 hour later, and I'm on my way, first jab down. 2nd jab booked in in 3 weeks time.

Screw the booking online business.

As it stands, Pfizer #1 has been a fizzer. No symptoms at all.

We had no issue booking ours either.
Rang the clinic, booked in for 2 weeks later on the ol girls RDO.
It took longer to fill out the paperwork than anything else.
We both scored the heebie jeebies, but that was ok and passed.
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Post by: DandyD on June 24, 2021, 04:39:40 AM
As it stands, Pfizer #1 has been a fizzer. No symptoms at all.

My mum was as smug as hell after her first Pfizer. No symptoms at all.

After the second she felt like she had been run over by a bus.
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Post by: GBC on June 24, 2021, 08:08:10 AM
Jumped on QLD health on Monday and booked a shot. Got my first Phizer yesterday with the follow up booked for July 20. No worries. Bit of a bruise but that’s all. Worried about the 2nd one now haha.
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Post by: gronk on June 24, 2021, 08:31:56 AM
Jumped on QLD health on Monday and booked a shot. Got my first Phizer yesterday with the follow up booked for July 20. No worries. Bit of a bruise but that’s all. Worried about the 2nd one now haha.

You must be under 60…..over60 like us, it’s a nightmare trying to get Phizer.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 24, 2021, 09:23:01 AM
My wife had the Moderna and wanted to bring the second shot forward from the default 12 weeks. No chance. There are no spare slots for Moderna at all. It seems to be quite rare here.

Ask for the funky cold version.
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Post by: Troopy_03 on June 24, 2021, 11:23:10 AM
Ask for the funky cold version.

I don't like your Tone  ;D
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Post by: HKB Electronics on June 24, 2021, 11:55:46 AM
Just suck it up and throw the dice, I had the AS three days ago and still kicking, so far that is:(
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Post by: edz on June 24, 2021, 01:40:29 PM
Might offer some infor for some https://videopress.com/v/p8R7ebPy?fbclid=IwAR2VWT2LVNbMpZkV4acQ8uxnlkmJjvvCv5tWSlhtGHNpimMRKYQ83a7z9S8 (https://videopress.com/v/p8R7ebPy?fbclid=IwAR2VWT2LVNbMpZkV4acQ8uxnlkmJjvvCv5tWSlhtGHNpimMRKYQ83a7z9S8)        .
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Post by: austastar on June 24, 2021, 03:14:02 PM
Hi,
   Sensationalist is a kind description.
I would love to know the money source or motivation that made its production possible.
Cheers

Sent from my SM-T380 using Tapatalk

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Post by: gronk on June 24, 2021, 05:18:48 PM
Hi,
   Sensationalist is a kind description.
I would love to know the money source or motivation that made its production possible.
Cheers

Sent from my SM-T380 using Tapatalk

Typical yankee production.
When you look up side effects for paracetamol there is a page full.
Probably side effects from eating weetbix every morning !!

My preference for Phizer is purely it’s slightly better  effectiveness %.
I can’t have vaccine until Xmas time ( approx ) so will probably get it…but otherwise….Astro or maybe Moderna ??
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Post by: rags on June 24, 2021, 07:42:33 PM
Jumped on QLD health on Monday and booked a shot. Got my first Phizer yesterday with the follow up booked for July 20. No worries. Bit of a bruise but that’s all. Worried about the 2nd one now haha.

I registered on 1 June and was happy to get the AZ and was sent a link to book which didn’t work and took me back to register but the system wouldn’t let me register again.
Apparently I not the only one caught out like this and QHealth have posted on their Q&A’s that they are aware of this problem and will sort t soon.
Today is day 24
Finally today I got a booking with a private provider for July 2 for Pfizer

Update, decided to ring QHealth after posting the above and Now booked in for Saturday morning, so will cancel the other booking.
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Post by: Hairs on June 24, 2021, 08:10:48 PM
While in Grafton today, I go to the Clinc setup in the middle of town.
I can have mine tomorrow morning at 7.45am.
I inquired to why my phone number & residential address is wrong, but everything is correct on my Medicare Card.
The young lady explains that it would of been from when I last presented to outpatients, 1995, I split my finger open punching a footy in a friendly game of footy in the backyard on my 29th birthday bash, needing stiches
WOW, she mentioned, she doesn't know why it is that way.
Anyway, I am there tomorrow.

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Post by: alnjan on June 24, 2021, 09:20:24 PM
While in Grafton today, I go to the Clinc setup in the middle of town.
I can have mine tomorrow morning at 7.45am.
I inquired to why my phone number & residential address is wrong, but everything is correct on my Medicare Card.
The young lady explains that it would of been from when I last presented to outpatients, 1995, I split my finger open punching a footy in a friendly game of footy in the backyard on my 29th birthday bash, needing stiches
WOW, she mentioned, she doesn't know why it is that way.
Anyway, I am there tomorrow.

Well done
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Post by: Robbo on June 24, 2021, 10:41:17 PM
The importance of choosing the vacene thats right for you.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210624/f99e30f34bd1ecdbc8ed0dd65521cd8e.jpg)

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Post by: DandyD on June 25, 2021, 04:26:32 AM
My preference for Phizer is purely it’s slightly better  effectiveness %.
I can’t have vaccine until Xmas time ( approx ) so will probably get it…but otherwise….Astro or maybe Moderna ??

I think Moderna supposed to be very similar to Pfizer in effectiveness. It works the same way.

They won’t give it to you if you have a history of allergic reactions though.
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Post by: Hairs on June 25, 2021, 08:22:41 AM
Well done
Done & Dusted,
Next one, 15th July.
:)
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Post by: gronk on June 25, 2021, 09:15:22 AM
I think Moderna supposed to be very similar to Pfizer in effectiveness. It works the same way.

They won’t give it to you if you have a history of allergic reactions though.

No Moderna in Australia yet. Haven’t got much Pfizer either. Plenty of Astro……but a lot don’t want it.
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Post by: Pete79 on June 25, 2021, 06:13:04 PM
Update on the lockdown escapees.

NSW have now added to the fine tally for their unnecessary stops along their escape path.

Sadly I doubt that $10,000.00 in fines is enough to deter others from doing the same next time…

 https://www.9news.com.au/national/victorian-couples-fine-tally-surges-to-10k-after-unlawful-dubbo-cinema-pitstop/2a7bbb59-83df-4605-b39d-0a08151a1319 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/victorian-couples-fine-tally-surges-to-10k-after-unlawful-dubbo-cinema-pitstop/2a7bbb59-83df-4605-b39d-0a08151a1319)
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Post by: Bird on June 25, 2021, 06:43:34 PM
Update on the lockdown escapees.

NSW have now added to the fine tally for their unnecessary stops along their escape path.

Sadly I doubt that $10,000.00 in fines is enough to deter others from doing the same next time…

 https://www.9news.com.au/national/victorian-couples-fine-tally-surges-to-10k-after-unlawful-dubbo-cinema-pitstop/2a7bbb59-83df-4605-b39d-0a08151a1319 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/victorian-couples-fine-tally-surges-to-10k-after-unlawful-dubbo-cinema-pitstop/2a7bbb59-83df-4605-b39d-0a08151a1319)
I doubt they will pay it.... there was an article other day saying how few have paid....
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Post by: Pete79 on June 25, 2021, 07:08:39 PM
True.
If they’re so special that they believe they can ignore the lockdown rules, then they’ll have no issues ignoring the fines as well.
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Post by: No more Deadlines! on June 26, 2021, 09:45:20 AM
Regarding payment of fines. Each State/Territory will probably have a different method of trying to obtain them. Like a lot of things in Oz not one standard.

What could occur is that if the fine isn't paid, it may convert to a Warrant. If a Warrant isn't or can't be paid the person has the option of going to Court. At times this can relate to the person spending more money as they have Legal fees and Court costs as well as the original fine.

Some states will advise the Motor Registry so that when a person tries to renew a car registration or drivers licence they are prevented until the fine is paid.

I do agree some people will think they are above the law and just not pay.
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Post by: Hairs on June 26, 2021, 02:23:11 PM
Did I Just hear right, that regional nsw has stay at home restricts Now, until July 9th?
But Weddings today & tomorrow can proceed?
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Post by: Foo on June 26, 2021, 02:28:32 PM
Did I Just hear right, that regional nsw has stay at home restricts Now, until July 9th?
But Weddings today & tomorrow can proceed?

Dunno I don't live in NSW but here's some reading material.  ;D

https://www.9news.com.au/national/nsw-coronavirus-latest-sydney-lockdown-restrictions-case-numbers/a38d5c52-b8f3-423d-8462-f71d811d055b (https://www.9news.com.au/national/nsw-coronavirus-latest-sydney-lockdown-restrictions-case-numbers/a38d5c52-b8f3-423d-8462-f71d811d055b)

Foo
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Post by: wakychapmans on June 26, 2021, 03:02:47 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-26/covid-live-blog-latest-updates-nsw-lockdown-sydney/100245886 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-26/covid-live-blog-latest-updates-nsw-lockdown-sydney/100245886)

Greater Sydney, the Blue Mountains, Wollongong and Central Coast will enter a two-week lockdown as of 6:00pm on Saturday night

stay safe people...
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Post by: Hairs on June 26, 2021, 03:11:15 PM
Cheers Guys,
Just thought I heard the NSW health minister and premier mention restricts(Of some sort) applied the regional NSW.
It's not looking good :(
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Post by: Bird on June 26, 2021, 03:14:55 PM
Greater Sydney to lock down from 6pm;
Miner tests positive in NT,
900 workers have left mine since
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Post by: Hairs on June 26, 2021, 03:29:11 PM
Copied from a mate.
"Community announcement as of 6pm tonight regional NSW is moving to the restrictions that Greater Sydney was on.  Mask wearing will be compulsory in all indoor situations, 50% capacity at outdoor events,  all hospitality patrons must be seated and no more than 5 visitors to your home."
:(
Here we go again.
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Post by: Bad Scott on June 26, 2021, 03:35:30 PM
Cheers Guys,
Just thought I heard the NSW health minister and premier mention restricts(Of some sort) applied the regional NSW.
It's not looking good :(
I bloody hope not. I'm in Parkes for work. I've had enough of the lockdowns. 4.0 has officially hurt my business. Unable to travel interstate for work without having to quarantine for 14 days.
My Lockdown talley. 1 in WA, too many in Vic.

Sent from .............. Somewhere in Australia

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Post by: Hairs on June 26, 2021, 03:44:27 PM
I bloody hope not. I'm in Parkes for work. I've had enough of the lockdowns. 4.0 has officially hurt my business. Unable to travel interstate for work without having to quarantine for 14 days.
My Lockdown talley. 1 in WA, too many in Vic.

Sent from .............. Somewhere in Australia
Geez, you've copped it :(
I hope it's not heading that way, but it isn't sounding real good.
:(
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Post by: Hairs on June 26, 2021, 05:04:54 PM
Just received an email from RFS,
Shites just hit the fan, the restrictions that have come into place, even for regional Brigrades. Monthly/AGM's are not essential,  limits to persons in vehicles.
Wife just came home from work, Masks are compulsory( in public area) at the supermarket where she works

Take care everybody.

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Post by: Hairs on June 26, 2021, 06:03:16 PM
I Just had to find out more, :((https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210626/23f05e81515875ce902027f87ea2c2d9.jpg)
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Post by: DandyD on June 26, 2021, 07:05:38 PM
That’s not too bad… as restrictions go.
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Post by: Hairs on June 26, 2021, 07:45:31 PM
That’s not too bad… as restrictions go.
You know what would be better?
Yes, compared to what has happened elsewhere & is still happening.
I get your point.

People not being selfish bastards, being switched on, being Informed and not thinking that these restrictions do not apply to them.
I Just want to go and live in a cave, next to a creek, grow my own stuff, And let the world shaft itself.
Consumerism is!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I'm normally a better person, I'm not alone, :( :(
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Post by: Bird on June 26, 2021, 08:04:13 PM
Recap on latest update, Sydney lockdown to begin at 6pm
By Lucy Cormack

In case you missed it, here is a recap of the latest NSW COVID update:

    Strict stay-at-home orders will apply to all people in the Greater Sydney including Blue Mountains, Central Coast and Wollongong from 6pm Saturday.

    The lockdown will remain in place until Friday July 9.

    An empty King Street Newtown on what would usually be a bustling Saturday morning.

    Everyone in Greater Sydney must stay at home unless it is for an essential reason: shopping for essential goods, medical or compassionate needs, exercise outdoors in groups of 10 or less, essential work or education.

    Community sport will not be permitted during the lockdown.

    Weddings will not be allowed from 11.59pm, Sunday, while funerals will be limited to one person per four square metres, capped at 100 people. Masks will be compulsory while indoors.

    Anyone in regional NSW who has been in Greater Sydney since June 21 must self isolate from 14 days since they left Sydney.

    Police will be using number plate recognition technology to monitor for vehicles from Greater Sydney.

    Transmissibility of the Delta strain is at least double what previous variants have been.
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Post by: Hairs on June 26, 2021, 08:12:18 PM


Transmissibility of the Delta strain is at least double what previous variants have been.
Bingo, this Shit is constantly changing, no different to the Flu.
Every year your flu shot is different to last years, difference being this bitch mutates quicker.

Bucket up Princesses.
The Ride isn't over yet.


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Post by: Bird on June 26, 2021, 08:19:21 PM
Bingo, this Shit is constantly changing, no different to the Flu.
Every year your flu shot is different to last years, difference being this bitch mutates quicker.

Bucket up Princesses.
The Ride isn't over yet.
the flu is every year... this is every few weeks :(
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Post by: DandyD on June 26, 2021, 08:30:52 PM
Transmissibility of the Delta strain is at least double what previous variants have been.

It’s rife in the UK.

However, it’s not actually killing many people, or even making them seriously ill.


Just heard on the radio that over 50s will be getting a booster shot in the autumn, possibly combined CV/flu.
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Post by: gronk on June 26, 2021, 08:48:29 PM
It’s rife in the UK.

However, it’s not actually killing many people, or even making them seriously ill.

That’s what we’re trying to achieve here with a lockdown. It sucks for a lot of people, but if we don’t keep our cases near zero, we don’t know the outcome if we let it go out of control ?

Even though we have to let some people back into the country, we still don’t know how to quarantine them properly.
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Post by: DandyD on June 26, 2021, 09:16:05 PM
That’s what we’re trying to achieve here with a lockdown. It sucks for a lot of people, but if we don’t keep our cases near zero, we don’t know the outcome if we let it go out of control ?

I can hazard a guess.

Illness and death is relatively low in the UK, despite a rise in infections because a large proportion of the population has been vaccinated. Most of the Delta (Indian) variant deaths have been older people who had refused the vaccine.

I suspect that CV (including the Delta variant) is currently causing fewer fatalities than common or garden flu at the moment, despite widespread infection.
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Post by: gronk on June 26, 2021, 10:28:27 PM
Due to very few people coming in from overseas, flu cases are very few this last year.

According to govt website for flu stats, there has been 300 cases of flu reported since April, with no deaths.

For a small population, we are still having trouble getting everyone ( who wants to ) vaccinated ..
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Post by: Hairs on June 27, 2021, 12:45:29 PM
Regional NSW.
Son needed masks for work this morning.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210627/c4b694d17124e915d937b5c464260c10.jpg)
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Post by: Hairs on June 27, 2021, 04:43:23 PM
FM, the date roll panic buying has hit Grafton.
Maclean SPAR, same thing, Son came home from working there, shelves stripped of toilet paper, customers abusing staff over not having enough.
WTF is wrong with people?
:((https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210627/88efc2f7b81ba9ccb53328d2827e8942.jpg)
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Post by: Bird on June 27, 2021, 05:33:32 PM
Adelaide has just closed their borders too to Qld, NT and ACT
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Post by: DandyD on June 27, 2021, 05:42:42 PM
Is it the delta variant that has got in?
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Post by: Hairs on June 27, 2021, 05:44:23 PM
Is it the delta variant that has got in?
I believe so.
That's why the restrictions are harder for regional NSW.
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Post by: Hairs on June 27, 2021, 05:48:57 PM
Here is one of things that doesn't add up.
Tonight's Origin game, people must wear masks while queuing to enter the stadium, but once inside they can remove them, put them back on when leaving, yet mingle at the pubs before hand.
Who makes this Shiite up?
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Post by: DandyD on June 27, 2021, 05:50:32 PM
It makes you wonder how it got in when quarantine is so strict. At least it looks strict from the outside.

We were due back in December, but that isn’t going to happen.  :-[
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Post by: Bird on June 27, 2021, 05:50:53 PM
These were this morning’s major headlines:


    NSW recorded 30 new cases of COVID-19, all linked to the Bondi cluster. Ten cases were traced to the Great Ocean Foods seafood wholesaler in Marrickville, and Premier Gladys Berejiklian warned case numbers are likely to increase beyond what we have seen today as people’s household contacts test positive in the coming days.

    Victorian health authorities are following up with 128 passengers who were on a flight from Brisbane to Melbourne with a potentially infectious flight attendant. The state recorded no new cases on Sunday.

    Queensland recorded two new cases of COVID-19 in the community. The Brisbane couple has the Alpha strain, and authorities are determining whether they are linked to a cluster that emerged from Brisbane’s Four Points quarantine hotel earlier this month.

    In WA, the Perth and Peel regions will go back to phase one restrictions over fears a new COVID-19 community case is the quick to spread Delta variant. The snap reaction from the WA government has been prompted by a woman in her 50s returning a positive COVID-19 test last night: she had recently been in Sydney and had brunch at the Lyfe Cafe in Bondi on June 19.
   
And the Northern Territory has recorded four new cases of COVID-19 linked to a gold mine worker who acquired the virus in a Queensland quarantine hotel, plunging Darwin and the surrounding areas of Litchfield and Palmerston into a two-day lockdown. The outbreak has sent several state and territory health authorities scrambling to trace 900 contacts who have departed the mine site and dispersed across Australia.
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Post by: Bad Scott on June 27, 2021, 05:54:44 PM
FM, the date roll panic buying has hit Grafton.
Maclean SPAR, same thing, Son came home from working there, shelves stripped of toilet paper, customers abusing staff over not having enough.
WTF is wrong with people?
:((https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210627/88efc2f7b81ba9ccb53328d2827e8942.jpg)
There’s more on the shelves there than here at Parkes
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Post by: Bird on June 27, 2021, 05:57:54 PM
There’s more on the shelves there than here at Parkes
still got 4 20 packs here from last time :D
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Post by: Hairs on June 27, 2021, 06:07:55 PM
In less than a week, Shite has hit the fan again.
WOW, wonder what the next fortnight will bring?
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Post by: gronk on June 27, 2021, 06:12:28 PM
It makes you wonder how it got in when quarantine is so strict. At least it looks strict from the outside.

We were due back in December, but that isn’t going to happen.  :-[

That’s the problem, they haven’t got their head around how to quarantine properly. This last stuff started from a driver who transports flight addendants  to their quarantine hotel wasn’t wearing a mask.
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Post by: rags on June 27, 2021, 06:16:29 PM
Here is one of things that doesn't add up.
Tonight's Origin game, people must wear masks while queuing to enter the stadium, but once inside they can remove them, put them back on when leaving, yet mingle at the pubs before hand.
Who makes this Shiite up?

Just watching Brisbane news and they crossed to Lang Park, not a mask to be seen, with people jumping all over each other dribbling and shouting those simpleton words, Queenslander. Sums up the mentality of Qld football supporters.

I’m sure Qld will announce a lockdown tomorrow commencing at 18.00 and would have done it earlier except the game is on.
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Post by: Hairs on June 27, 2021, 06:20:46 PM
I really can't see us going to the V8's on the 10th of next month, not the way things are changing so quick.
Oh well, a lot more people have bigger worries.
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Post by: gronk on June 27, 2021, 06:30:43 PM
I really can't see us going to the V8's on the 10th of next month, not the way things are changing so quick.
Oh well, a lot more people have bigger worries.

You’ll be alright mate. Us greater Sydney people finish lockdown on the 9th, maybe earlier, but being regional, barring a big blowout, you presently have no problems travelling there ATM….only an entry permit to fill out.
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Post by: Hairs on June 27, 2021, 06:38:15 PM
You’ll be alright mate. Us greater Sydney people finish lockdown on the 9th, maybe earlier, but being regional, barring a big blowout, you presently have no problems travelling there ATM….only an entry permit to fill out.
At this stage,
Anything is possible, specially with tonight's State of Origin.
Lets not forget this thing has an incubation time of nearly a week.
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Post by: Hairs on June 27, 2021, 06:40:35 PM
You’ll be alright mate. Us greater Sydney people finish lockdown on the 9th, maybe earlier, but being regional, barring a big blowout, you presently have no problems travelling there ATM….only an entry permit to fill out.
At this stage,
Anything is possible, specially with tonight's State of Origin.
Lets not forget this thing has an incubation time of nearly a week.
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Post by: briann532 on June 27, 2021, 08:42:20 PM
At this stage,
Anything is possible, specially with tonight's State of Origin.
Lets not forget this thing has an incubation time of nearly a week.

More importantly.............
The blues will win ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Hairs on June 27, 2021, 08:47:34 PM
More importantly.............
The blues will win ;D ;D ;D ;D
DCE, is starting to niggle in tackles, other QLD players are as well, they are getting frustrated, they've lost focus :)
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Post by: westvic on June 28, 2021, 07:55:00 AM
You’ll be alright mate. Us greater Sydney people finish lockdown on the 9th, maybe earlier, but being regional, barring a big blowout, you presently have no problems travelling there ATM….only an entry permit to fill out.

I wouldn't be putting any money on that going on the way Vic lockdowns have gone......sorry
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Post by: gronk on June 28, 2021, 09:17:02 AM
I wouldn't be putting any money on that going on the way Vic lockdowns have gone......sorry

We might have a bit of a problem ATM, but we’ve shown we can get on top of it pretty quick.     
You Mexicans have never handled it well !!  ;D
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Post by: D4D on June 28, 2021, 10:49:01 AM
We might have a bit of a problem ATM, but we’ve shown we can get on top of it pretty quick.     
You Mexicans have never handled it well !!  ;D

30 local cases and rising in the last 24 hours, I'm not sure it's going away soon...
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Post by: Rodt on June 28, 2021, 02:02:03 PM
Just watching Brisbane news and they crossed to Lang Park, not a mask to be seen, with people jumping all over each other dribbling and shouting those simpleton words, Queenslander. Sums up the mentality of Qld football supporters.

I’m sure Qld will announce a lockdown tomorrow commencing at 18.00 and would have done it earlier except the game is on.

You reckon Newcastle will be any different for the third game?
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Post by: Hairs on June 28, 2021, 03:08:10 PM
You reckon Newcastle will be any different for the third game?
Sheep are sheep around the world.
I agree, won't be any different.
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Post by: gronk on June 28, 2021, 05:37:11 PM
30 local cases and rising in the last 24 hours, I'm not sure it's going away soon...

18 today….going down already.

If we can’t fix it, we’ll fudge the figures…..or we’ll start making positive cases disappear !!  ;D ;D
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Post by: rags on June 28, 2021, 10:09:42 PM
You reckon Newcastle will be any different for the third game?

Absolutely different, you won’t have fu%#tards shouting Queenslander ever other moment.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on June 29, 2021, 06:12:55 AM
Perth now in lockdown, this thing is spreading again  :-[

Stay safe all

GG
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Post by: Pete79 on June 29, 2021, 08:09:24 AM
And we should expect lockdowns to happen again and again the longer we stay so embarrassingly far behind the rest of the world.

For a nation that takes winning so seriously, we’re getting absolutely flogged in this race.

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Post by: NZMarkb on June 29, 2021, 08:16:49 AM
I think that figure for NZ is from our ministry of Propaganda not Facts  ;D ;D
Our so called leaders can't Lie Straight in bed, but somehow they manage to fool the great unwashed
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Post by: Pete79 on June 29, 2021, 08:40:57 AM
I think that figure for NZ is from our ministry of Propaganda not Facts  ;D ;D
Our so called leaders can't Lie Straight in bed, but somehow they manage to fool the great unwashed
I was actually impressed with your advertising campaign when I was over there a couple of weeks ago.
At least you guys can put together a coherent message and get the public to feel somewhat comfortable with the idea of getting vaccinated.

We’ve got one ad with a bunch of b grade “celebrities” dribbling some forgettable line.

Considering we’re currently being “lead” by an advertising executive over here, it’s actually pretty embarrassing how bad the messaging is around the vaccines at the moment.

I was watching a press conference about the vaccine rollout yesterday lunchtime and apparently we now have 2 military generals answering political policy questions. ::)

We always know when ScoMo is in trouble, he puts military people in charge of his responsibilities, then runs and hides.
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Post by: Spada on June 29, 2021, 12:39:59 PM
Large chunks of Qld now in a 3 day lockdown starting 6pm tonight  >:( https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/queensland-coronavirus-delta-palaszczuk-lockdown/100249626 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/queensland-coronavirus-delta-palaszczuk-lockdown/100249626)
an un-vaccinated Brisbane hospital worker that has been symptomatic since last Monday went on a Family trip to Magnetic Island  ::)
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Post by: Bird on June 29, 2021, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: Spada
....Brisbane hospital worker that has been symptomatic since last Monday went on a Family trip to Magnetic Island  ::)
This is going to continue forever... '... dont feel well, **** going to Dr, or to get tested as Im going on hoildays'.

100k fine for ****ers who do it.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 29, 2021, 01:42:28 PM
Large chunks of Qld now in a 3 day lockdown starting 6pm tonight  >:( https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/queensland-coronavirus-delta-palaszczuk-lockdown/100249626 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/queensland-coronavirus-delta-palaszczuk-lockdown/100249626)
an un-vaccinated Brisbane hospital worker that has been symptomatic since last Monday went on a Family trip to Magnetic Island  ::)

Astrid shops after work on a Tuesday.  ;D

What a Shit fight that's gunna be.

I told her, just grab the minimum we need, stay clear of the Shit ticket isle and get the fukk back outta there.
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Post by: Bird on June 29, 2021, 01:52:19 PM
It'll never go away.

Quote
Three friends from NSW arrested in a Coober Pedy karaoke bar have been ordered to get back in their plane and get out of South Australia.
The trio are accused of touching down after the SA border closed and again after being denied entry into the Northern Territory.
Amelia Johnson, Elizabeth Nichols and Thomas St Hill were taken to Coober Pedy airport, under police guard.



https://www.9news.com.au/national/south-australia-coronavirus-updates-coober-pedy-plane/dbf4fe62-08bc-4429-86f9-1fa38540ef81 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/south-australia-coronavirus-updates-coober-pedy-plane/dbf4fe62-08bc-4429-86f9-1fa38540ef81)

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Post by: DandyD on June 29, 2021, 03:50:34 PM
I was watching a press conference about the vaccine rollout yesterday lunchtime and apparently we now have 2 military generals answering political policy questions. ::)

One of Boris Johnson’s better ideas was to give the Royal Logistics Corps the job of organising the mass vaccine rollout in the UK.

From that chart above, Australia looks like it is seriously behind percentage wise but with a relatively low population, potentially, it could catch up quite quickly.
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Post by: Hairs on June 29, 2021, 06:11:29 PM
Hmmm(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210629/4f19caf9cbfd69823e8fc6ad566aeca8.jpg)
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Post by: rags on June 29, 2021, 08:05:30 PM
I was actually impressed with your advertising campaign when I was over there a couple of weeks ago.
At least you guys can put together a coherent message and get the public to feel somewhat comfortable with the idea of getting vaccinated.

We’ve got one ad with a bunch of b grade “celebrities” dribbling some forgettable line.

Considering we’re currently being “lead” by an advertising executive over here, it’s actually pretty embarrassing how bad the messaging is around the vaccines at the moment.

I was watching a press conference about the vaccine rollout yesterday lunchtime and apparently we now have 2 military generals answering political policy questions. ::)

We always know when ScoMo is in trouble, he puts military people in charge of his responsibilities, then runs and hides.

It’s ok we in Qld have a health official making government , whoops, I mean political decisions for the government and being rewarded for it by a political appointment.
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Post by: MDS69 on June 29, 2021, 08:26:09 PM
And we should expect lockdowns to happen again and again the longer we stay so embarrassingly far behind the rest of the world.

For a nation that takes winning so seriously, we’re getting absolutely flogged in this race.

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I am not embarrassed by that graph. Let’s put some perspective on it. We are an island with a pretty good quarantine system, not perfect but pretty good. We have had 5000 odd cases since March last year. The UK get double that PER DAY. It would be in their best interests and that of the US and other countries where it is rampant to get the population vaccinated. Whilst on the UK just a few weeks ago they relaxed their lockdown conditions because their positive cases dropped to 6000 per day but have since claimed. Australia Shits itself with 3-6 cases per state and go into lockdown.
The federal goverment haven’t run a perfect race with quarantine, vaccination roll out and bringing home Australians from overseas but we are in unchartered waters with thing changing daily or sometimes hourly.
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Post by: #jonesy on June 30, 2021, 12:18:31 AM
The graph could be very different if it was based upon when each country started vaccination.  We are nearly a year behind the others, because we has the luxury of waiting to pick which way to go.  Even with AZ we can stop and change direction and still be in front compared to many countries
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Post by: Rodt on June 30, 2021, 07:22:56 AM
Absolutely different, you won’t have fu%#tards shouting Queenslander ever other moment.

Yep because NSW have a better class of fu%#tard as fans  ::) (sarcasm intended)
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Post by: Steffo1 on June 30, 2021, 08:23:57 AM
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Post by: Bird on June 30, 2021, 12:02:16 PM
be interesting to see once it gets into the remote communities....


Alice Springs going into 72 hour lockdown
By Broede Carmody

Northern Territory Chief Minister Michael Gunner is providing a COVID-19 update.

He says the Alice Springs will enter a snap lockdown from this afternoon.

“We now need to enact extreme precautionary measures for Alice Springs,” he said.

“Effective from 1.00pm today, Alice Springs will enter a full lockdown for 72 hours.

“This relates to a man from the Tanami mine site who spent an extended period of time at Alice Springs airport on Friday, June 25. He arrived at the airport via a charter flight on Friday morning and remained at the airport between 9am and 3.50pm.”

Mr Gunner has urged Territorians to check the official list of exposure sites, which will be updated shortly. He also urged people not to panic buy.

“Remember, supermarkets stay open. Our essential stores stay open, cafes and restaurants are open for takeaway. We have no food supply issues in the Territory. The communities outside Alice who rely on Alice for their supply you will not be impacted [and] we will work that through with you.”
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Post by: xcvator on June 30, 2021, 05:14:17 PM
The Big Lie from the government and media uncoveredFrom the tga.gov.au web siteYou can read it here  https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-24-06-2021 (https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-24-06-2021)



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Post by: Kangaron on June 30, 2021, 05:30:28 PM
Hey X, how can it be hidden when it is published weekly on a Gov website for everyone to see?
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Post by: Hairs on June 30, 2021, 09:41:41 PM
Yum(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210630/b00c90d3d1d754679f0d6af131376113.jpg)
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Post by: xcvator on July 02, 2021, 08:46:57 AM
A few more facts and figures
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Post by: Hairs on July 04, 2021, 07:01:11 PM
In NSW,
ATM
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Post by: McGirr on July 04, 2021, 07:46:10 PM
This is going to be around for another few years, unfortunately.

Mark
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Post by: Hairs on July 04, 2021, 07:51:08 PM
This is going to be around for another few years, unfortunately.

Mark
Yep, I mentioned that awhile ago.
People can not stop moving.
This virus will find a host, that's why now young(teenagers) are now at risk.

The Perfect Storm.


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Post by: DandyD on July 04, 2021, 09:00:51 PM
England is due to let it rip on the 19th. All restrictions due to be lifted.

We have relatively high infection rates at the moment but few people are seriously ill or in hospital with it.

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland make their own rules and are being more conservative. Scotland and Wales also have the problem that their leadership can’t do the same thing as England on principle.
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Post by: rags on July 04, 2021, 09:21:11 PM
Credit Gold Coast Bulletin Colin Mann
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Post by: alnjan on July 06, 2021, 10:04:03 PM
The flow on effect of State Premiers getting there way and the PM bowing down to reduce the number of Australians back into Australia.   Glad we got our daughter back when we did.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-travel-updates-australia-flight-prices-rise-after-caps-cut/c398fef4-a824-4757-9a2c-c7432ca8f681 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-travel-updates-australia-flight-prices-rise-after-caps-cut/c398fef4-a824-4757-9a2c-c7432ca8f681)
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Post by: MarkGU on July 10, 2021, 09:06:18 PM
This song just sums it up for the ME crowd who walk among us.

LANGUAGE WARNING !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0-2XxgHIXk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0-2XxgHIXk)
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Post by: wakychapmans on July 11, 2021, 03:31:04 PM
lessee now...

50 in Sydney yesterday

77 in Sydney today

betting money is on 100+ tomorrow.

betting money is also on a *further* month (at least) after this week finishes

stay safe out there everyone.


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Post by: Bird on July 11, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
lessee now...

50 in Sydney yesterday

77 in Sydney today

betting money is on 100+ tomorrow.

betting money is also on a *further* month (at least) after this week finishes

stay safe out there everyone.
I somehow gotta go to Shitney, Brissy adn Perth for work in coming weeks... NFI how ... cant see it happening.. its only been delayed since January
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Post by: edz on July 11, 2021, 04:50:25 PM
Interesting .. might be worth  the time to listen to it for some  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2UkhCWosg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2UkhCWosg)    .
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Post by: bmwfreak on July 12, 2021, 10:13:29 PM
Interesting .. might be worth  the time to listen to it for some  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2UkhCWosg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2UkhCWosg)    .
Apparently not the tuber moderators   :police:
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Post by: edz on July 12, 2021, 10:52:37 PM
Well there you go, active sensorship ...
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Post by: Bird on July 13, 2021, 05:00:16 PM
Booked in for me Fizzer shot 3rd August...
Visiting lawyer to write will 2nd August...
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Post by: gronk on July 13, 2021, 08:52:43 PM
Booked in for me Fizzer shot 3rd August...
Visiting lawyer to write will 2nd August...

Bugger me, I would’ve picked you for over 60 mate !!  ;D

By the time I get mine, I’ll be looking at the Moderna shot ??
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Post by: Bird on July 13, 2021, 09:39:02 PM
Bugger me, I would’ve picked you for over 60 mate !!  ;D

By the time I get mine, I’ll be looking at the Moderna shot ??
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Post by: D4D on July 15, 2021, 04:17:14 PM
Here we go again...
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Post by: GeoffA on July 15, 2021, 04:31:51 PM
Here we go again...

Yep.

Back in the office for a grand total of 3 days, then......
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 15, 2021, 05:07:10 PM
yep, same here, we've got to keep wearing masks they reckon. (Fogs my glasses)
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Post by: Bird on July 15, 2021, 05:42:56 PM
Here we go again...
It was always coming... nobody is surprised are they? Except I lost $50.. I picked Friday night for the lockdown :(
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Post by: GeoffA on July 15, 2021, 05:49:42 PM
.. I picked Friday night for the lockdown :(

Missed it by THAT much.... ;D
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Post by: Bird on July 15, 2021, 07:01:26 PM
Yep.

Back in the office for a grand total of 3 days, then......
its your fault.... like campfire smoke.
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Post by: GeoffA on July 15, 2021, 07:36:27 PM
its your fault.... like campfire smoke.

...of course...
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Post by: Bird on July 15, 2021, 07:46:16 PM
...of course...
I reckon there will be at least 3 more lockdowns before xmas, adn this one will be extended a couple of times.

This thing isnt going away anytime soon..
 but people not playing by the rules are only going ot make this Shit go on and on... Not having a go at anyone in particular, except maybe some removalist but it shows how easy it spreads - until everyone gets micro chipped I mean vaccinated it wont stop

I still know people who think this is all manure.
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Post by: edz on July 15, 2021, 09:43:24 PM
Wont stop even if you get vaxxed .. Airport worker in Pallet Jack Youngland has had both jabs, beeen out spreading the love for days till they felt a bit off / got a test and been  sin binned ..
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Post by: Bird on July 15, 2021, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: edz
Wont stop even if you get vaxxed .. Airport worker in Pallet Jack Youngland has had both jabs, beeen out spreading the love for days till they felt a bit off / got a test and been  sin binned
Yep but its our only solution at the moment to slow things down
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 16, 2021, 03:57:42 AM
Yep but its our only solution at the moment to slow things down

Correct. Nothing is a 100 percent guarantee.... but being vaxxed is a massive step in the right direction.

I was reading the other day, some chick was scared of the side effects, so passed on the jab.
Then caught covid and died..... pretty hard to feel sorry for idiots huh.
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Post by: gronk on July 16, 2021, 10:35:56 AM
Correct. Nothing is a 100 percent guarantee.... but being vaxxed is a massive step in the right direction.

I was reading the other day, some chick was scared of the side effects, so passed on the jab.
Then caught covid and died..... pretty hard to feel sorry for idiots huh.

It’s bit like someone standing on the footpath waiting to cross the road….at a pedestrian crossing….now do they change their mind because they suddenly think a car will hit and kill them????
No, they don’t give it a thought, but that person has probably more chance of dying than the person having the jab !!
We humans have strange ideas at times, and the media has a part to play in all the hysteria surrounding the jab as well.
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Post by: alnjan on July 16, 2021, 11:58:41 AM
and those that do not to come into contact with anyone that has had the covid vaccination in case they spread the vaccine
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Post by: Bird on July 16, 2021, 03:59:39 PM
announced 2 hours ago Murrumbidgee Local Health District has confirmed the removalists that tested positive to COVID-19 also stopped at a wreckers in North Albury.

where didnt these pricks go

They also stopped in Hay, Gundagai and Marulan before arriving back in Sydney.

Lots of small stops... dropping off packages possibly.. ?
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Post by: Pottsy on July 16, 2021, 04:40:51 PM
Heard a report they have not been very forthcoming with the tracers and investigators. May be time to legislate, put them before the courts and hold them in contempt if they won’t answer.
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Post by: gronk on July 16, 2021, 05:13:17 PM
Heard a report they have not been very forthcoming with the tracers and investigators. May be time to legislate, put them before the courts and hold them in contempt if they won’t answer.

Or take them out the back and flog some answers out of them…..then shoot them.
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Post by: Robbo on July 16, 2021, 05:23:16 PM
Or take them out the back and flog some answers out of them…..then shoot them.
HaHa, i like the way you're thinking gronk.

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Post by: Bird on July 16, 2021, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: Pottsy
Heard a report they have not been very forthcoming with the tracers and investigators
I'd say theres a good reason in their mind for that
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Post by: Bird on July 17, 2021, 12:29:06 PM
Chin up people - we've been thru it and came out ok... just dont panic by Shit tickets.

Sweeping new restrictions after 111 more cases, one death

Premier Gladys Berejiklian said only “critical retail” would now remain open as the state scrambles to contain the Delta variant after more than 82,000 COVID-19 tests.
NSW government bans construction and renovation work in greater Sydney until July 30

The NSW government has banned “non-urgent” construction and renovation projects in metropolitan Sydney until the end of the month in a bid to stem the spread of coronavirus across the city.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian, acknowledging the huge impact that the decision would have on the state’s vital construction industry, said the measures were necessary as health authorities battle to contain the number of virus cases.

“Our aim is to get out of this lockdown as soon as possible,” she said on Saturday.

The premier said “all construction, big or small” that is not urgent must stop.
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Post by: #jonesy on July 17, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
"Critical retail" includes nurseries  ???
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Post by: gronk on July 17, 2021, 05:29:54 PM
"Critical retail" includes nurseries  ???
And Bunnings ??? Trade understood, but someone going in for a can of paint ?
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Post by: D4D on July 17, 2021, 05:40:08 PM
And Bunnings ??? Trade understood, but someone going in for a can of paint ?

It should be Trade only, same as down here, you'll have to show your Powerpass to gain entry
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Post by: GeoffA on July 17, 2021, 06:01:52 PM
It should be Trade only, same as down here, you'll have to show your Powerpass to gain entry

Yep, and at our local BGS they check your ID against the PowerPass.
Seems the PP cards have been passed around a bit...
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Post by: Bird on July 17, 2021, 06:21:30 PM
"Critical retail" includes nurseries  ???
the whole "critical" thing is so open its not worth stating...
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Post by: Bird on July 17, 2021, 11:07:56 PM
Just heard on radio - trucks blockading sydney somewhere?

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/truck-convoy-chokes-sydney-s-roads-after-nsw-shuts-down-construction-industry-20210717-p58al4.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/truck-convoy-chokes-sydney-s-roads-after-nsw-shuts-down-construction-industry-20210717-p58al4.html)

edit: not much of a blockade... 1 lane
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Post by: Foo on July 17, 2021, 11:50:59 PM
I had the first jab yesterday and got the cold shivers and sweats in the first hour of it, then woke up this morning with my left arm sore as hell but otherwise okay. By 10am I was feeling like chit, tied lethargic and generally meh. Other than these, I have no other symptoms like the flu is coming on.  ;D 8)

Foo
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 18, 2021, 05:00:26 AM
It's pretty wild, how folks have such different experiences with the shot.
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Post by: Foo on July 18, 2021, 05:05:06 AM
It's pretty wild, how folks have such different experiences with the shot.

Yeah but I'd rather have this discomfort than get the mongrel virus and then suffer the side effects till I turn into worm food. I had swine flu about 12yrs ago and that was bloody nasty. I'd never been so sick in my life and don't wish to go through anything remotely close to it or worse than it.  :o

Foo
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 18, 2021, 06:31:41 AM
I was chatting with my physio guy on friday.

He said, he had similar to me, but his arm swelled up to the size of a tennis ball at the jab point.
Mine just felt like a decent bruise.

I have to say though, those shivers were pretty wild when i had them.
All of our side effects kicked in around 10 hours after the jab.
Yours at an hour.

Getting the jab for me, was a bit like a bucket list thing..... i'd prefer not to kick the bucket because of a Chinese made flu.
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Post by: Foo on July 18, 2021, 09:12:52 AM
I was chatting with my physio guy on friday.

He said, he had similar to me, but his arm swelled up to the size of a tennis ball at the jab point.
Mine just felt like a decent bruise.

I have to say though, those shivers were pretty wild when i had them.
All of our side effects kicked in around 10 hours after the jab.
Yours at an hour.

Getting the jab for me, was a bit like a bucket list thing..... i'd prefer not to kick the bucket because of a Chinese made flu.

Exactly.  ;D

Foo
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Post by: gronk on July 18, 2021, 09:21:24 AM
It's pretty wild, how folks have such different experiences with the shot.

I’m thinking like a retired dope rather than an expert, but for those that have reactions to the vaccine may be the ones who would have had really bad reactions to the virus itself….so a win for those people to have the vaccine.

Just my thoughts !!
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 18, 2021, 09:53:34 AM
I can run with that theory.
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Post by: edz on July 18, 2021, 10:41:23 AM
I dont put a lot of faith in their contact tracing here in NSW atm .. Couple of Sydney truckies tested positive to Whoflungdung virus after paying a visit to a truck stop 5Km away from us ..
Dam sure  Chinderah NSW to Mt Druit in a truck takes more than 4 hrs .... Going by the QR tracker   left at 7:30 AM wednesday and got into a mt Druit medical center or other at 11:35 AM on the same day " Realy " .. 813 Km in 4 hrs in a truck huh ..
Every bloody trucker Oz ould love to have a truck that could cover that distance in that time ..  ;D
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Post by: Bird on July 18, 2021, 10:52:03 AM
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left at 7:30 AM wednesday and got into a mt Druit medical center or other at 11:35 AM on the same day " Realy " .. 813 Km in 4 hrs in a truck huh ..
Every bloody trucker Oz ould love to have a truck that could cover that distance in that time ..  ;D
surely thats am departure and pm arrival... But you are right, if they fawk up something that simple...

Also agree with gronk on the if the shot affects you badly the bug would too... who knows anymore
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 18, 2021, 12:17:55 PM
All i know is, whether i'm dead next week, next year or whenever, it'll be no good me being a donor of any sort.

My ol body is pretty much rooted now..... so good luck getting any spare parts out of it.

I'm determined i get my monies worth.
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Post by: Pottsy on July 18, 2021, 12:23:00 PM
All i know is, whether i'm dead next week, next year or whenever, it'll be no good me being a donor of any sort.

My ol body is pretty much rooted now..... so good luck getting any spare parts out of it.

I'm determined i get my monies worth.

Nah, you,d be surprised, there are plenty of degenerate ol farts out there looking for parts!
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Post by: sharkcaver on July 18, 2021, 12:52:28 PM
Had my 2nd fizzer on Wednesday, again with no ill effects at all to report  :cup:

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Post by: D4D on July 18, 2021, 01:43:47 PM
I’m thinking like a retired dope rather than an expert, but for those that have reactions to the vaccine may be the ones who would have had really bad reactions to the virus itself….so a win for those people to have the vaccine.

My understanding is those who have quick/large reactions actually have a good immune system. Once you get the jab, the immune system says WTF is that in me and starts the immune response to build up the antibodies.
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Post by: Bird on July 18, 2021, 01:57:04 PM
All i know is, whether i'm dead next week, next year or whenever, it'll be no good me being a donor of any sort.

My ol body is pretty much rooted now..... so good luck getting any spare parts out of it.

I'm determined i get my monies worth.
back in paper license days, in the consent section or donating bits said "whatevers left"
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Post by: gronk on July 18, 2021, 01:58:18 PM
My understanding is those who have quick/large reactions actually have a good immune system. Once you get the jab, the immune system says WTF is that in me and starts the immune response to build up the antibodies.

I don’t know ?  The missus had her 1st jab 2 weeks ago and got a large rash around the jab spot….went to the drs and they said it was a good sign because of what you just said.
As for large reactions, does that mean 90% of people who have had the jab HAVEN’T got a good immune system ??
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Post by: Pottsy on July 18, 2021, 02:12:37 PM
Interestingly had my Az shot in late May, no reaction other than some soreness at jab site, 5 weeks later had my flu shot and within 24 hours crook throat, congestion and cough, still got the cough and due for surgery Wednesday, hoping it won’t be cancelled.
Not sure what that says about my immune system.
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Post by: alnjan on July 18, 2021, 03:59:06 PM
My understanding is those who have quick/large reactions actually have a good immune system. Once you get the jab, the immune system says WTF is that in me and starts the immune response to build up the antibodies.

Opposite to my understanding.   As the Vaccine is giving you a dose of Coronavirus and your body is fighting the virus.   The larger the reaction you get the more Covid would have affected you if you got the full Coronavirus.   
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Post by: DandyD on July 18, 2021, 07:10:15 PM
None of that explains why more people experience stronger side effects after their first jab if they have  AZ and nothing after their second but with Pfizer/Moderna, it’s the other way round.
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Post by: D4D on July 18, 2021, 07:26:34 PM
None of that explains why more people experience stronger side effects after their first jab if they have  AZ and nothing after their second but with Pfizer/Moderna, it’s the other way round.

I believe that's due to the way the vaccines work, AZ and Pfizer work differently.
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Post by: DandyD on July 18, 2021, 08:53:48 PM
Apparently, I’m getting a third jab in September/October.

My arm will probably fall off this time.
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Post by: lloydus67 on July 18, 2021, 09:40:20 PM
What vaccine did you have? What was the wait between jabs that you need a booster in 3 months?


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Post by: DandyD on July 18, 2021, 10:02:06 PM
I had AZ with a 12 week gap. Second shot at the start of June.

I think they are expecting a surge in cases (by UK standards) in the winter, so are going to offer flu and CV boosters to over 50s in the Autumn from now on.
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Post by: rags on July 18, 2021, 10:35:16 PM
 Covid vaccine risks: Doctor puts AstraZeneca, Pfizer risks into perspective
Interesting article that should get a bit more exposure

 https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/covid-vaccine-risks-doctor-puts-astrazeneca-pfizer-risks-into-perspective/news-story/60b4abc289ba7cabaf1e932afa71e35d (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/covid-vaccine-risks-doctor-puts-astrazeneca-pfizer-risks-into-perspective/news-story/60b4abc289ba7cabaf1e932afa71e35d)
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Post by: gronk on July 18, 2021, 10:53:27 PM
I had AZ with a 12 week gap. Second shot at the start of June.

I think they are expecting a surge in cases (by UK standards) in the winter, so are going to offer flu and CV boosters to over 50s in the Autumn from now on.

Boosters…….hell, 3/4 of Australia haven’t even had their 1st jab yet !!  By the time we all get fully vaccinated, covid may have disappeared !!   ;D
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Post by: DandyD on July 18, 2021, 11:37:32 PM
Boosters…….hell, 3/4 of Australia haven’t even had their 1st jab yet !!  By the time we all get fully vaccinated, covid may have disappeared !!   ;D

Some interesting vaccination statistics here…

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833)

London has the lowest vaccination rate. I suspect demographics plays a part there.

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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 19, 2021, 03:15:48 AM
Boosters…….hell, 3/4 of Australia haven’t even had their 1st jab yet !!  By the time we all get fully vaccinated, covid may have disappeared !!   ;D

Yep..... got me beat.

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Post by: Bird on July 19, 2021, 10:36:22 AM
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I suspect demographics plays a part there.
that and so many mixed messages about everything to do with the disease, variants, vaccines, side effects, manure being spread thick and fast round the world by different companies/governments/drug manufacturers etc as part of the cause...
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Post by: wakychapmans on July 19, 2021, 11:44:17 AM
Boosters…….hell, 3/4 of Australia haven’t even had their 1st jab yet !!  By the time we all get fully vaccinated, covid may have disappeared !!   ;D
yep... my wife is a pre-school teacher.

diabetic, asthmatic, front line... high risk.

Just got her first jab last Thursday.

She had to taker the day off work as her employer wouldn't allow her the time off.
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Post by: Bird on July 19, 2021, 12:28:15 PM
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She had to taker the day off work as her employer wouldn't allow her the time off.
actually everyone who has AZ here takes the following day off expecting the bad side effects. :(
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Post by: lukeycat on July 19, 2021, 12:34:59 PM
yep... my wife is a pre-school teacher.

diabetic, asthmatic, front line... high risk.

Just got her first jab last Thursday.

She had to taker the day off work as her employer wouldn't allow her the time off.
That sucks mate she should have been able to get it much sooner with diabetes considered a high risk factor.


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Post by: Bird on July 19, 2021, 12:45:34 PM
... the Victorian Government has confirmed that the current Melbourne lockdown will not be lifted on Tuesday night and will be extended for a further time period, yet to be announced.

I am shocked
/s
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Post by: MarkGU on July 19, 2021, 01:25:55 PM
FFS !!

Now it looks like the virus is now in coffs harbour  >:(

FFS, cant these brain dead morons just stay at home  ??? ???

I say instant jail time for the ones who intentionally spread this thing.
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Post by: Kangaron on July 19, 2021, 01:47:08 PM
NSW needs to go into a hard lockdown, not the pretend lockdown there have atm.
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Post by: gronk on July 19, 2021, 01:53:06 PM
NSW needs to go into a hard lockdown, not the pretend lockdown there have atm.

What’s a hard lockdown ?
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on July 19, 2021, 02:11:37 PM
What’s a hard lockdown ?

Similar to Melbourne, 5km limited distance to travel away from home, at one point we had a curfew to keep people at home. Masks are mandantory except in your own home.

GG
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Post by: Pottsy on July 19, 2021, 02:37:36 PM
SA now has a case where an Argentinian man returned to NSW and served mandatory quarantine for 14 days  and tested negative, he then travelled to SA and showed symptoms, went to hospital and has now tested positive throwing a major hospital emergency dept into chaos.
This Delta strain is a bastard, I think as a nation we are in for a tough time with constant outbreaks and lockdowns becoming the norm rather than the exception
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Post by: Mace on July 19, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
What’s a hard lockdown ?

As per GGV8, and for the entire greater Sydney metro area for a start. No one can leave home except exempted health care, emergency services workers and the like.   Its most likely too late for that now.
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Post by: Foo on July 19, 2021, 04:29:31 PM
Well it's three days since I had my first jab and the only thing that reminds me of it is a very slight soreness where the needle entered. Yesterday was better than Saturday so other than the hot n cold shivers an hour after and then feeling tied and slightly spaced out, I'm happy with things.

Foo

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Post by: gronk on July 19, 2021, 05:13:36 PM
Similar to Melbourne, 5km limited distance to travel away from home, at one point we had a curfew to keep people at home. Masks are mandantory except in your own home.

GG

That’s my understanding of what they are now doing.
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Post by: gronk on July 19, 2021, 05:20:38 PM
As per GGV8, and for the entire greater Sydney metro area for a start. No one can leave home except exempted health care, emergency services workers and the like.   Its most likely too late for that now.

That’s never been a lockdown anywhere. Always been allowed to exercise, do food shopping, fuel the car, go to allowed work places, go to doctors.
But try telling that to some Sydney ethnic communities that don’t give a rats arse about Aussie rules.
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Post by: austastar on July 19, 2021, 06:36:58 PM
Hi, had a 24 hr curfew for a week or so in the 60s in Malaysia.
Police patrolling in jeeps armed with Tommy guns.
Very eerie silence at night, except for the odd dog barking at someone silly enough to break curfew.
Cheers

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Post by: lukeycat on July 19, 2021, 08:37:26 PM
Hi, had a 24 hr curfew for a week or so in the 60s in Malaysia.
Police patrolling in jeeps armed with Tommy guns.
Very eerie silence at night, except for the odd dog barking at someone silly enough to break curfew.
Cheers

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Sounds like the Melbourne lockdown last year was super quite at night with the occasional noon out doing donuts which broke up the silence


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Post by: Bird on July 19, 2021, 09:39:40 PM
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Sounds like the Melbourne lockdown last year was super quite at night with the occasional noon out doing donuts which broke up the silence
just drove home and saw no more than 10 cars on eastlink... and it aint that late.
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Post by: Pottsy on July 20, 2021, 12:18:14 PM
7 day hard lockdown from 6pm tonight in SA (entire state). I reckon Shite tickets will be at a premium already with the announcement being an hour old.
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Post by: moeite on July 20, 2021, 01:29:33 PM
7 day hard lockdown from 6pm tonight in SA (entire state). I reckon Shite tickets will be at a premium already with the announcement being an hour old.
Looks like we’re in Woomera for the week then.  >:(
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Post by: Bird on July 20, 2021, 01:39:01 PM
Looks like we’re in Woomera for the week then.  >:(
Hey it could be worse!!!
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Post by: corndog on July 23, 2021, 11:41:35 AM
Though I only scanned back 6 pages here, I cannot see anyone that has really given Gladys a big serving about her lockdown, or lack of, like Dan was coping it from his. I can only put it down to that they must have been Liberal voters, that wouldn't give a Labour one the time of day. Even due to a pandemic. Come on you Labour goons,  time to give some back. Remember the words "give and take"
Now for the more none political comment. Even though this strain is much more contagious, and we all knew this, how fast it could spread in such a short time, Gladys held off a lockdown that extra week, got to keep the economy going. Well I think its backfired in her face. That 1 week could have made the difference in being out of it now, or being in it for months, like now. They just announced its being declared a national emergency. The horse has bolted, its out of site and the gate, well was there 1. 
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Post by: alnjan on July 23, 2021, 11:52:24 AM
Though I only scanned back 6 pages here, I cannot see anyone that has really given Gladys a big serving about her lockdown, or lack of, like Dan was coping it from his. I can only put it down to that they must have been Liberal voters, that wouldn't give a Labour one the time of day. Even due to a pandemic. Come on you Labour goons,  time to give some back. Remember the words "give and take"
Now for the more none political comment. Even though this strain is much more contagious, and we all knew this, how fast it could spread in such a short time, Gladys held off a lockdown that extra week, got to keep the economy going. Well I think its backfired in her face. That 1 week could have made the difference in being out of it now, or being in it for months, like now. They just announced its being declared a national emergency. The horse has bolted, its out of site and the gate, well was there 1.

It may just be the simple case of NSW using a lockdown as last option while Vic use it as a first option and Qld us lockouts as first option and people are not happy with it. 
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Post by: Kangaron on July 23, 2021, 11:55:03 AM
NSW needs to go into a hard lockdown, not the pretend lockdown there have atm.
What I said 3 days ago.

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Post by: Spada on July 23, 2021, 12:42:09 PM
I cannot see anyone that has really given Gladys a big serving about her lockdown, or lack of, like Dan was coping it from his. I can only put it down to that they must have been Liberal voters, that wouldn't give a Labour one the time of day. Even due to a pandemic. Come on you Labour goons,  time to give some back. Remember the words "give and take"

Might have something to do with the Forum owners reminding us a couple of days ago that a lot of people need to pull their heads in and play nice in the sandpit... ;)
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Post by: gronk on July 23, 2021, 01:43:27 PM
Using the words hard lockdown can mean a lot of things.

I live on the central coast…..part of greater Sydney…no positive cases…with a river separating us from Sydney…an easy way to isolate, and there has been talk in the last couple of days to bring us out of lockdown, but unless it’s done right, I’m happy to stay in lockdown…..I’m retired and haven’t been vaccinated, so personally it’s not affecting me.

I said it before…..plenty of ethnic background residents in Sydney just won’t stay at home…..our laws don’t apply to them.
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Post by: Snow on July 23, 2021, 05:48:32 PM
A friendly word to advise that this thread is being monitored. Keep the politicing out of it and excercise some thought and restaint before posting.
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Post by: corndog on July 23, 2021, 06:43:27 PM
Can someone tell me what the expected increase in distance of transmission from my chip will be when I get the booster vaccine and if the one turn of tinfoil around my upper arm will be sufficient or would I need to increase it maybe 2 or 3 turns.
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Post by: Pottsy on July 23, 2021, 07:06:04 PM
Can someone tell me what the expected increase in distance of transmission from my chip will be when I get the booster vaccine and if the one turn of tinfoil around my upper arm will be sufficient or would I need to increase it maybe 2 or 3 turns.

I’d suggest you turn it up until you feel a tingling sensation, if you feel a burning sensation, your toast!
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Post by: D4D on July 23, 2021, 07:15:24 PM
Can someone tell me what the expected increase in distance of transmission from my chip will be when I get the booster vaccine and if the one turn of tinfoil around my upper arm will be sufficient or would I need to increase it maybe 2 or 3 turns.

You'll get at least an extra bar of 5G reception :)
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Post by: Robbo on July 26, 2021, 06:55:04 AM
I hear that most of the Sydney Anti-Vac protestors have tested positive for low or no IQ.

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Post by: Bad Scott on July 26, 2021, 10:00:05 AM
I hear ALL of the Sydney Anti-Vac protestors have tested positive for no IQ.

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Fixed it  ;D
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Post by: Robbo on July 26, 2021, 10:32:53 AM
Fixed it  ;D


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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 26, 2021, 03:26:52 PM
I think NSW, well, mostly Sydney... well, after the weekends efforts, the whole place is going to be in a world of hurt soon.

In my opinion, when Qld and Vic were quick to lockdown, G.B. was carrying on a bit, it wasn't needed.
Then, when it was pretty obvious to everyone a lockdown was required, G.B. let it slide.
Its almost, to my thinking, she couldn't bring herself to admit its the right thing to do.

Then only did it when it was well and truly needed/required.

I think Qld will be in for another lockdown soon too.... someone will sneak through and spread this new Delta strain everywhere.
Yeah, i know there was the guy who did and the airline chick, i'm talking in coming weeks.

I hope it all settles down, but i think we have a lot of pain to deal with long before any sort of "normal" happens.

Just my 2 cents worth....

 
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Post by: Bird on July 26, 2021, 04:36:54 PM
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In my opinion, when Qld and Vic were quick to lockdown, M Q K. was carrying on a bit, it wasn't needed.
Then, when it was pretty obvious to everyone a lockdown was required, M Q K let it slide.
Its almost, to my thinking, she couldn't bring herself to admit its the right thing to do.
... politicians never like to admit they got it wrong. Wonder if her fleet of advisors are all still employed...

Trying to keep both sides happy failed miserably in this case.... thats where a good leader does whats needed, not what makes everyone happy
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Post by: corndog on July 26, 2021, 04:48:56 PM
Keep it open Gladys left the gate open when she should have shut it. Everyone, except the knuckleheads, knows how contagious this variant is. Wonder what she will do when the next variant makes it's way here. You think she will still use the same strategy or change her ways. I think her keep it open strategy has dropped her in deep poo poo as to the virus.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 26, 2021, 04:55:27 PM
... politicians never like to admit they got it wrong. Wonder if her fleet of advisors are all still employed...

Trying to keep both sides happy failed miserably in this case.... thats where a good leader does whats needed, not what makes everyone happy

I hope one day, to hear a pollie say.... i was wrong, we should've done it earlier.
We need to fix it and fix it now......

And then lead the folks as a good Premier should.

I think our Qld Premier has done a pretty good job with the whole covid thing.
Lots of stuff, not so good and child protection is one and its a bloody shocker.

 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on July 26, 2021, 06:05:22 PM
I think our bloke in SA has done a pretty good job, each time they have been quick to react with a hard lockdown and from memory in the past 16 months we’ve had two seven day and one five day lockdown. He has even had close contacts who showed no symptoms hotel quarantined for 14 days to help prevent community spread, some additional 400 people.We look like coming out of lockdown at midnight tomorrow night.
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Post by: Bad Scott on July 27, 2021, 07:25:34 AM
Not looking forward to today’s meeting. May have to head back into regional nsw just after completing the mandatory 14 days isolation from coming back from there
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Post by: Bird on July 27, 2021, 10:56:05 AM
Big Dan is live now telling us what the plan is....


Drum roll........................
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on July 27, 2021, 11:12:18 AM
Big Dan is live now telling us what the plan is....

Thankfully schools and community sport back
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on July 27, 2021, 11:19:45 AM
Looks like 3 NSW removalist that gave it ti Vic. get off, with no prosecution, maybe a small fine for 1.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: BaseCamp on July 27, 2021, 11:21:31 AM
Opposite to my understanding.   As the Vaccine is giving you a dose of Coronavirus and your body is fighting the virus.   The larger the reaction you get the more Covid would have affected you if you got the full Coronavirus.
Back on this again....

My understanding is that if your immune system is dead / clapped out ...then  little reaction to the jab ...

Whereas - if your immune system is in good condition  ... immediately the juice goes in; your immune system recognises a "foreign toxic invasion" and gets stuck in....   making you feel unwelll++ for a day or 2....

That's why AZ jabbed into younger people may lead to bad /fatal results rarely....   because their younger immune systems are way more responsive....

Sometimes when they are on ventilators in hispital and then die ...  its because their immune system so aggressively attacked the actual Corona virus that it destroyed their own organs ...   Its called something that sounds like- (I can't remember) a cylonic response?? Not that - but similar name .....

With the under 60s - at least maybe the case if not lay about, macca obese alcoholic pot heads etc - or otherwise have underlying health issues.... 

My 2 cents worth ....



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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 27, 2021, 11:23:36 AM
Quote from: corndog
Looks like 3 NSW removalist that gave it ti Vic. get off, with no prosecution, maybe a small fine for 1.
gee... what a shock ... as much shock as being struck by lightning...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on July 27, 2021, 11:52:39 AM
Back on this again....

My understanding is that if your immune system is dead / clapped out ...then  little reaction to the jab ...

Whereas - if your immune system is in good condition  ... immediately the juice goes in; your immune system recognises a "foreign toxic invasion" and gets stuck in....   making you feel unwelll++ for a day or 2....

That's why AZ jabbed into younger people may lead to bad /fatal results rarely....   because their younger immune systems are way more responsive....

Sometimes when they are on ventilators in hispital and then die ...  its because their immune system so aggressively attacked the actual Corona virus that it destroyed their own organs ...   Its called something that sounds like- (I can't remember) a cylonic response?? Not that - but similar name .....

With the under 60s - at least maybe the case if not lay about, macca obese alcoholic pot heads etc - or otherwise have underlying health issues.... 

My 2 cents worth ....



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My comments relates to our experiences and what our Doctors told us.   My bride has a compromised or poor immune system for various reasons.   As a result what ever flu or virus is going around she gets it and gets it bad.   She has always reacted badly to the flu shots in various ways.   As our Dr explained it to us, as with an Vaccine you are being injected with albeit a micro dose or whatever the vaccine is to help prevent.   If your immune system is compromised then what ever virus is fighting your body to infect you.   Hence as he explained to us with the COVID 19 Vaccine if you have a bad reaction to the Vaccine you may have a worse reaction to the actual Virus.  I have a good immune system and have never had a reaction to any vaccines or shots. 

My 2cents worth.   

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Post by: Kangaron on July 27, 2021, 12:33:11 PM
Looks like 3 NSW removalist that gave it ti Vic. get off, with no prosecution, maybe a small fine for 1.

A copy and paste from 3AW. Seems they broke no rules and regs in general.

The Sydney removalists who spread the Delta strain of COVID-19 at a Maribyrnong apartment complex, sparking an outbreak in Victoria, will not face charges.

A Department of Health investigation into whether there were any breaches of the Public Health and Wellbeing Act or the CHO directions wound up yesterday.

One of the removalists was fined for not wearing a face mask while indoors and not performing strenuous work.

The case was handed to Victoria Police to determine if there were any breaches under other legislation.

Police say they’ve found “no evidence of other offending” and the case is closed.

Neil Mitchell says comments made by several politicians falsely led to expectations the removalists would face charges.

“It has been alleged all along by the government, including the Premier, that they refused to cooperate fully,” the 3AW Mornings host said.

“It’s starting to look as if the Health Department has mucked this up … at the very least they’ve briefed the health officials wrong.


“I don’t blame the police. Certain expectations have been set up by the politicians.”

Neil Mitchell is calling for new laws to target people who evade questioning about their whereabouts during COVID-19 investigations.

“I don’t doubt Victoria Police on this one, they’ve been mucked around as much as anybody, so if there’s no case to answer we need new laws,” he said.

“If they did refuse to cooperate, if they tried to cover their tracks, to lie, to mislead while this virus was spreading, they hurt this state. They hurt the people of this state and that in itself means they should face some sort of law.”

3AW Mornings has asked the Health Department for a copy of its investigation into the removalists.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: 2Strokeit on July 27, 2021, 01:46:31 PM


Back on this again....
 its because their immune system so aggressively attacked the actual Corona virus that it destroyed their own organs ...   Its called something that sounds like- (I can't remember) a cylonic response?? Not that - but similar name .....



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Cytotoxic?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on July 27, 2021, 02:09:11 PM
I think our bloke in SA has done a pretty good job, each time they have been quick to react with a hard lockdown and from memory in the past 16 months we’ve had two seven day and one five day lockdown. He has even had close contacts who showed no symptoms hotel quarantined for 14 days to help prevent community spread, some additional 400 people.We look like coming out of lockdown at midnight tomorrow night.

Well, no new cases today, the last day of lockdown, so it looks like quick decisive action and some short term pain has worked again. There will still be restrictions in place bit a least businesses can re open and start engaging with the public. Family gatherings limited to ten, funerals and weddings to fifty, dining and drinking must be seated, one per four sq metres, gyms one per eight sq metres and masks to be worn in all healthcare, personal care, public transport situations.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on July 27, 2021, 03:48:39 PM
I’ve been told by my doctor when your immune system is down, you can have the vaccine, but because your immune system can’t make enough antibodies, the success rate of the vaccine may be as low as 30% instead of 80 or 90%.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Brij on July 27, 2021, 08:10:00 PM
Back on this again....

My understanding is that if your immune system is dead / clapped out ...then  little reaction to the jab ...

Whereas - if your immune system is in good condition  ... immediately the juice goes in; your immune system recognises a "foreign toxic invasion" and gets stuck in....   making you feel unwelll++ for a day or 2....

That's why AZ jabbed into younger people may lead to bad /fatal results rarely....   because their younger immune systems are way more responsive....

Sometimes when they are on ventilators in hispital and then die ...  its because their immune system so aggressively attacked the actual Corona virus that it destroyed their own organs ...   Its called something that sounds like- (I can't remember) a cylonic response?? Not that - but similar name .....

With the under 60s - at least maybe the case if not lay about, macca obese alcoholic pot heads etc - or otherwise have underlying health issues.... 

My 2 cents worth ....



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I have no idea of the science, but my experience leads me to think the opposite, but I will admit....I have no idea.

My wife has been teacher aiding, teaching in primary schools for the last 20 years. Always crook from about April to October. Always gets flu injections, but still gets multiple chest infections, bronchitis, head colds, chest colds.......

Me? Never had a flu injection. Get a bit of a raspy throat at start of winter which goes away after having honey in my tea for a week. I had the flu once - Easter 2015. Put me in bed for the whole long weekend. But rarely get anything else. I assume I have a pretty good immune system.

Had my 2 doses of Pfizer and I had no side effects at all. Was waiting for side effects, but forgot about it. Wife asked me a few days after getting first jab when I was booked in. She had assumed I had missed the appointment because I hadn't mentioned anything about it.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on July 27, 2021, 10:43:04 PM
I have no idea of the science, but my experience leads me to think the opposite, but I will admit....I have no idea.

My wife has been teacher aiding, teaching in primary schools for the last 20 years. Always crook from about April to October. Always gets flu injections, but still gets multiple chest infections, bronchitis, head colds, chest colds.......

Me? Never had a flu injection. Get a bit of a raspy throat at start of winter which goes away after having honey in my tea for a week. I had the flu once - Easter 2015. Put me in bed for the whole long weekend. But rarely get anything else. I assume I have a pretty good immune system.

Had my 2 doses of Pfizer and I had no side effects at all. Was waiting for side effects, but forgot about it. Wife asked me a few days after getting first jab when I was booked in. She had assumed I had missed the appointment because I hadn't mentioned anything about it.

I used to be like you mate….until this year, never had a flu shot, one time having the flu 15yrs ago.
Good immune system…or just lucky to not get the flu ??
Or is a good immune system due to not having other little factors like asthma, hay fever,allergies, diabetes or any other “problems” ?
And how you handled the vaccine have any bearing on how you would have handled the virus ??
Who knows ?
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Post by: Kangaron on July 27, 2021, 10:44:39 PM
Let me guess Brij, your wife works in an air conditioned environment and you work outside.

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Post by: Bad Scott on July 28, 2021, 06:15:43 AM
work outside.

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IMHO I think that’s one of the key factors
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: sharkcaver on July 28, 2021, 06:50:05 PM
A good read on the topic

https://theconversation.com/no-vaccine-side-effects-dont-tell-you-how-well-your-immune-system-will-protect-you-from-covid-19-158728 (https://theconversation.com/no-vaccine-side-effects-dont-tell-you-how-well-your-immune-system-will-protect-you-from-covid-19-158728)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 29, 2021, 11:58:18 AM
Interesting question from nutha forum

So what exactly is stopping people from calling in sick Sunday night then getting a COVID test on Monday then waiting 3 days for the results and collecting $750?
You don't have to use annual or sick leave.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: DandyD on July 29, 2021, 06:50:09 PM
My wife has been teacher aiding, teaching in primary schools for the last 20 years. Always crook from about April to October. Always gets flu injections, but still gets multiple chest infections, bronchitis, head colds, chest colds.......

The collective term for schoolchildren is “superspreaders”. The CV infection rates go up when children are back in school. At least they do here.
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Post by: MattNQ on July 31, 2021, 10:21:40 AM
I’ve been told by my doctor when your immune system is down, you can have the vaccine, but because your immune system can’t make enough antibodies, the success rate of the vaccine may be as low as 30% instead of 80 or 90%.
Wonder if that's why we keep seeing 'fully vaccinated' people still catching and spreading it everywhere. 

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Post by: Pete79 on July 31, 2021, 10:38:28 AM
The collective term for schoolchildren is “superspreaders”. The CV infection rates go up when children are back in school. At least they do here.
Looks like you’re spot on with this one.

Queenslanders are now in a very strict 3 day lockdown from 4pm today and 2 large high schools have been infected with the delta variant.

Students and teachers are infected and they’re sure to find heaps more in the next few days.
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Post by: Troopy_03 on July 31, 2021, 11:28:23 AM
Wonder if that's why we keep seeing 'fully vaccinated' people still catching and spreading it everywhere. 

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The vaccine doesn't stop you catching covid. But it does allow your body to fight the disease better, due to your immune system having had a pre-match bout with the virus signature. This means you will have a better surviveability rate, be a spreader for a lesser length of time.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 31, 2021, 11:40:50 AM

I think Qld will be in for another lockdown soon too.... someone will sneak through and spread this new Delta strain everywhere.
Yeah, i know there was the guy who did and the airline chick, i'm talking in coming weeks.

I hope it all settles down, but i think we have a lot of pain to deal with long before any sort of "normal" happens.

Just my 2 cents worth....

Told ya we'd have another lockdown soon.
3 Days from 4pm today..... you heard here first with Uncle Jeepers
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Post by: doc evil on July 31, 2021, 11:45:29 AM
Told ya we'd have another lockdown soon.
3 Days from 4pm today..... you heard here first with Uncle Jeepers

I'd almost lay money on it being longer than 3 days......
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 31, 2021, 11:57:03 AM
Good chance of it.
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Post by: Moggy on July 31, 2021, 04:39:14 PM
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Post by: gronk on July 31, 2021, 05:12:17 PM
People are saying we’re going to have a generation of dumb kids because they are not learning anything.

People are saying what’s the last generations excuse ??   ;D
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Post by: #jonesy on July 31, 2021, 05:40:23 PM
Told ya we'd have another lockdown soon.
3 Days from 4pm today..... you heard here first with Uncle Jeepers

Did you take your own advice and stock up on Marvin parts?

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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 01, 2021, 03:19:23 AM
Did you take your own advice and stock up on Marvin parts?

Yeah, i have stuff here to do..... i have the required parts to do it..... we can rebuild him, better, faster, stronger than before.
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Post by: plusnq on August 01, 2021, 06:51:44 AM
Going to be longer than three days. BGGS had Open Day Friday night. There were thousands there. One positive parent visited. I was on BBQ duty. Positive cases at  Boys Grammar, and St Peters as well. Netball comp was at St Peters as well .
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Post by: Spada on August 01, 2021, 06:54:18 AM
Interesting question from nutha forum

So what exactly is stopping people from calling in sick Sunday night then getting a COVID test on Monday then waiting 3 days for the results and collecting $750?
You don't have to use annual or sick leave.

Maybe I should put my reply in the rant thread, and mods please delete if it's not appropriate for our forum.

Our nations farmers (you know, the people that produce the food we eat) endured horrendous financial and emotional hardship during six years of drought recently with sweet FA assistance from our governments.................................. but a barista in Brisbane misses three days work and is entitled to a $750 tax free hand out  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(

As a nation, we have completely lost any perception of what "hard times" are if we think a few days stuck at home deserves a financial bail-out from the government  :'(
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Post by: Bad Scott on August 01, 2021, 06:57:53 AM
^^^^^^^^ post of the year  :cheers:
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Post by: D4D on August 01, 2021, 07:07:41 AM
Maybe I should put my reply in the rant thread, and mods please delete if it's not appropriate for our forum.

Our nations farmers (you know, the people that produce the food we eat) endured horrendous financial and emotional hardship during six years of drought recently with sweet FA assistance from our governments.................................. but a barista in Brisbane misses three days work and is entitled to a $750 tax free hand out  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(

As a nation, we have completely lost any perception of what "hard times" are if we think a few days stuck at home deserves a financial bail-out from the government  :'(

100% agree

I've been watching Clarkson's Farming show on Prime. Whilst it is amusing and irreverent as Clarkson is, it really puts on show the plight of being a farmer. They invest so much time, effort and $ on the hope they have a good season, only to be disappointed when the weather doesn't do it's thing or the bottom falls out of the market. Then they do it all again the next year, all without giving it a second thought because that's just the way it is.
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Post by: alnjan on August 01, 2021, 10:26:57 AM
Maybe I should put my reply in the rant thread, and mods please delete if it's not appropriate for our forum.

Our nations farmers (you know, the people that produce the food we eat) endured horrendous financial and emotional hardship during six years of drought recently with sweet FA assistance from our governments.................................. but a barista in Brisbane misses three days work and is entitled to a $750 tax free hand out  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(

As a nation, we have completely lost any perception of what "hard times" are if we think a few days stuck at home deserves a financial bail-out from the government  :'(

Been like that for just way too long.    Banks and Big Investers are the only winners
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Post by: MarkGU on August 01, 2021, 11:02:48 AM
Maybe I should put my reply in the rant thread, and mods please delete if it's not appropriate for our forum.

Our nations farmers (you know, the people that produce the food we eat) endured horrendous financial and emotional hardship during six years of drought recently with sweet FA assistance from our governments.................................. but a barista in Brisbane misses three days work and is entitled to a $750 tax free hand out  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(

As a nation, we have completely lost any perception of what "hard times" are if we think a few days stuck at home deserves a financial bail-out from the government  :'(
1000 % agreed.
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Post by: Bird on August 01, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
this doesnt help...

Sky News Australia suspended from YouTube for COVID misinformation
A Youtube spokesperson said the website had taken steps against Sky, including removing videos from the media outlet’s online channel and issuing a ‘strike’
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Post by: Pete79 on August 01, 2021, 10:06:26 PM
this doesnt help...

Sky News Australia suspended from YouTube for COVID misinformation
A Youtube spokesperson said the website had taken steps against Sky, including removing videos from the media outlet’s online channel and issuing a ‘strike’
;)

 https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/07/19/chinese-spy-ship-turns-back-after-accidentally-picking-up-sky-news-transmission/ (https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/07/19/chinese-spy-ship-turns-back-after-accidentally-picking-up-sky-news-transmission/)
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Post by: Bird on August 03, 2021, 04:02:08 PM
Had me fizzer shot few hours ago...
worst part was the waiting around before and after.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 03, 2021, 04:05:12 PM
Good on ya..... be keen to see if ya get any side effects or not.
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Post by: Bird on August 03, 2021, 04:24:39 PM
Good on ya..... be keen to see if ya get any side effects or not.
I went prepared, had my will done few hours before ...
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 03, 2021, 04:35:54 PM
I went prepared, had my will done few hours before ...

Ha ha ha..... in a nice way, i hope ya get the shakes..... they're really wild when ya trying to take a leak in the middle of the night.
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Post by: Rodt on August 04, 2021, 01:07:49 PM
My missus says my aim is no good during the night anyway. Maybe I should use the old side effect excuse
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Post by: edz on August 04, 2021, 01:33:30 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/maybe60794885/status/1422188234583457799?fbclid=IwAR0V8CdNNuwmYSp5CyR_duFXmJekXV1oQpbxXGR4gH-urlHKnPXr4vBxk8c (https://mobile.twitter.com/maybe60794885/status/1422188234583457799?fbclid=IwAR0V8CdNNuwmYSp5CyR_duFXmJekXV1oQpbxXGR4gH-urlHKnPXr4vBxk8c)  Maybe  useful info for  some .
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Post by: Troopy_03 on August 04, 2021, 01:52:48 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/maybe60794885/status/1422188234583457799?fbclid=IwAR0V8CdNNuwmYSp5CyR_duFXmJekXV1oQpbxXGR4gH-urlHKnPXr4vBxk8c (https://mobile.twitter.com/maybe60794885/status/1422188234583457799?fbclid=IwAR0V8CdNNuwmYSp5CyR_duFXmJekXV1oQpbxXGR4gH-urlHKnPXr4vBxk8c)  Maybe  useful info for  some .

You can't use Craig Kelly and useful in the same topic..
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Post by: Pete79 on August 04, 2021, 03:03:59 PM
You can't use Craig Kelly and useful in the same topic..
Lucky you warned me before clicking that link.

Now we had time to prepare properly......

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Post by: bmwfreak on August 04, 2021, 04:41:12 PM
QLD, another 17.

Following is an excerpt from an ‘on-line’ ABC news article. See if you can pick the relevant part of the statement🤔
“However, Dr Young said it was possible the missing link as to how the virus spread from two returned overseas travellers into several Brisbane schools may never be found.”

Farking overseas, not again, but still. Obviously the system is still not working with people bringing it back with them and then spreading it.

The number who slip through is very small, we are told! How many people with the virus does it take to create a cluster? Less than very small, it only takes ONE. The figure ONE is what the quarantine system should be geared to.

I guess there is a chance that the carrier was/is a VIP so is considered to be outside the policing of the rules, because they are deemed to be responsible members of the community and will do the right thing without health officials intervention?? Yeah right, we have seen enough VIP’s reportedly ignoring the isolate/quarantine regulations to know that expectation is a joke.

Rant over??
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Post by: gronk on August 04, 2021, 08:18:12 PM
When you work out how much money these lockdowns have cost the country…it would have been far cheaper to pay each potential returned traveller a million bucks to stay the fu*k away !!
And to think 1/2 of them only wanted to come home because they lost their income in the country of their choice.
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Post by: rags on August 04, 2021, 08:46:59 PM
When you work out how much money these lockdowns have cost the country…it would have been far cheaper to pay each potential returned traveller a million bucks to stay the fu*k away !!
And to think 1/2 of them only wanted to come home because they lost their income in the country of their choice.

And the other half left the country before Covid was even a thing and then due to circumstances changing as a result of Covid, need to return to their HOME but unfortunately they still struggle to get on a plane to get HOME,with many having no income, no support or job keeper.
I am so grateful that my daughter was able to benefit from such a charitable position after serving others who have far greater needs O/S.
I still believe we are the lucky country but struggle with attitudes like the above.
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Post by: gronk on August 04, 2021, 09:04:46 PM
And the other half left the country before Covid was even a thing and then due to circumstances changing as a result of Covid, need to return to their HOME but unfortunately they still struggle to get on a plane to get HOME,with many having no income, no support or job keeper.
I am so grateful that my daughter was able to benefit from such a charitable position after serving others who have far greater needs O/S.
I still believe we are the lucky country but struggle with attitudes like the above.

I think you’ll find a lot declined to come home when covid became a “thing”. A lot of them had jobs and only when the situation became worse they then changed their minds.
My attitude is I would prefer not to get the virus and seeing as I can’t get vaccinated yet I’m not happy with people being allowed into the country while infected. That’s my attitude !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on August 04, 2021, 09:24:18 PM
I think you’ll find a lot declined to come home when covid became a “thing”. A lot of them had jobs and only when the situation became worse they then changed their minds.
My attitude is I would prefer not to get the virus and seeing as I can’t get vaccinated yet I’m not happy with people being allowed into the country while infected. That’s my attitude !!

Your attitude is In no doubt a selfish one. Of course they changed their minds, if your child was in difficulty, you would want to bring them home to your residence where you could better support. As a nation that is what we are doing, bring our own child home.
 
Maybe you could focus you attention to the problem that it is, Hotels are for rest and recreation, quarantine centres are just that. Have a look at the breakouts of the virus from Darwin quarantine centre , compare it with the hotels and there is the answer.

And so what should happen, the governments should stop arguing amongst themselves and just build more appropriate centres as Covid will be here long after both you and I depart.

I’m sure when you are on your death bed and if a loved child was O/S you would hope they could come and give you one last hug. That would be the wish of most That can only happen through compassion of this country.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 05, 2021, 03:59:15 AM
Had me fizzer shot few hours ago...
worst part was the waiting around before and after.

Any side effects?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on August 05, 2021, 08:48:18 AM
Your attitude is In no doubt a selfish one.

I make no apologies for my selfish attitude.  As I sit in a hospital bed with very low immune levels, I would prefer to live a bit longer without the worry or risk of contracting this virus before I can get vaccinated.

Quarantine centres in hindsight may have been a good thing to build earlier, but like everything, who pays ? Govt won’t commit the money, even though it would have been heaps cheaper than lockdown costs. By the time places could be built, the pandemic will be over !
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Foo on August 05, 2021, 09:01:14 AM
I make no apologies for my selfish attitude.  As I sit in a hospital bed with very low immune levels, I would prefer to live a bit longer without the worry or risk of contracting this virus before I can get vaccinated.

Quarantine centres in hindsight may have been a good thing to build earlier, but like everything, who pays ? Govt won’t commit the money, even though it would have been heaps cheaper than lockdown costs. By the time places could be built, the pandemic will be over !
Let's make one thing perfectly clear here. Your attitude is not selfish, they, the ones overseas, were told to get their arses home before borders were closed due to the virus. They chose not you me or anyone else, they chose to stay and are now screaming how unfair it is that "they" cannot get back into the country. As said, they were warned of what was going to happen.

All of the crap that is happening here now, is the result of "others" coming into the country from overseas and as far as I'm concerned, lockout should have happened a month earlier than it did and quarantine areas should have been in off shore facilities,  not the mainland and three week periods of negative results used as the safety point.

Foo

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 05, 2021, 09:10:34 AM
spot on in every respect.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: NZMarkb on August 05, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
Agreed, exactly the same over here
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on August 05, 2021, 11:17:30 AM
Quote
The Premier announced a one-week lockdown for the Hunter and Upper Hunter region starting at 5pm today in light of recently detected cases. The lockdown will impact the local government areas of Newcastle, Lake Macquarie, Maitland, Port Stephens, Cessnock, Dungog, Singleton and Muswellbrook and involve the same restrictions in place in Greater Sydney.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/australia-news-live-nsw-and-queensland-infections-continue-to-grow-new-case-detected-in-victoria-20210804-p58fur.html?ref=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_feed (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/australia-news-live-nsw-and-queensland-infections-continue-to-grow-new-case-detected-in-victoria-20210804-p58fur.html?ref=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_feed)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: doc evil on August 05, 2021, 12:42:51 PM
Let's make one thing perfectly clear here. Your attitude is not selfish, they, the ones overseas, were told to get their arses home before borders were closed due to the virus. They chose not you me or anyone else, they chose to stay and are now screaming how unfair it is that "they" cannot get back into the country. As said, they were warned of what was going to happen.

All of the crap that is happening here now, is the result of "others" coming into the country from overseas and as far as I'm concerned, lockout should have happened a month earlier than it did and quarantine areas should have been in off shore facilities,  not the mainland and three week periods of negative results used as the safety point.

Foo

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Yep, totally agree.

On a news snippet, they interviewed one woman who was in line for her second jab so she "can go overseas"...........FMD!!

I hear you Gronk, I too have low immune levels due to Chemo.
The selfish ones are those prancing around without masks..........
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Gazza00 on August 05, 2021, 12:56:19 PM
 1   why are Bunnings open any way
 2   why is this dIckhead out

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/offensive-embarrassing-bunnings-shoppers-self-serve-checkout-thief-claim-goes-viral-c-3572257 (https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/offensive-embarrassing-bunnings-shoppers-self-serve-checkout-thief-claim-goes-viral-c-3572257)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on August 05, 2021, 02:35:15 PM
Yep, totally agree.

On a news snippet, they interviewed one woman who was in line for her second jab so she "can go overseas"...........FMD!!

I hear you Gronk, I too have low immune levels due to Chemo.
The selfish ones are those prancing around without masks..........


Maybe she was getting ready for overseas. I know a couple who went back to Ireland to live only 2 weeks ago…..they had to sign lots of stuff saying they won’t be on any promise to get back here in the short term future if they change their minds. In other words, they’ll be on the back of the list and then some !!
Yeh mate, been on chemo since march.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 05, 2021, 02:37:19 PM
Next Melbourne lockdown countdown.....

3 days.....
2 days.....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on August 05, 2021, 03:52:34 PM
Quarantine centres in hindsight may have been a good thing to build earlier, but like everything, who pays ? Govt won’t commit the money, even though it would have been heaps cheaper than lockdown costs. By the time places could be built, the pandemic will be over !

Hotel quarantine system in the end we have nothing but the bill, that is all. Sure the hotels are rubbing their hands together with a smile.
Build quarantine centres and in the end we have a bill, but at lease we have some infrastructure that can be used for other purposes in the future and for cost, it probably would be the sameif not cheaper.

I know which way I'd want my tax dollars going.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on August 05, 2021, 04:03:26 PM
Next Melbourne lockdown countdown.....

3 days.....
2 days.....

Forget the days, try the countdown in hours.

3 hours....
2 hours....
1 hour.....
1/2 hour....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on August 05, 2021, 04:12:36 PM
Rewrite of a Tom Petty classic.

It's alright if you love me
It's alright if you don't
I'm not afraid of you runnin' away, honey
I get the feeling you won't

There is no sense in pretending
Your eyes give you away
Something inside you is feeling like I do
We said all there is to say

Baby, lockdown, go ahead and give it to me
Lockdown, honey, take me through the night (baby, baby, lockdown)
Lockdown, now I'm standin' here, can't you see?
Lockdown, it's all right
It's all right
It's all right

Lockdown, go ahead and give it to me
Lockdown, honey, take me through the night (baby, baby, lockdown)
Lockdown, now I'm standin' here, can't you see?
Lockdown, it's all right
It's all right
It's all right

Let's  all sing together.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on August 05, 2021, 04:29:54 PM
All systems go.

3.
2.
1.
Lockdown.
We have confirmation of lockdown.

Quick get down to the supermarket and get your trolley ful of bum paper.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on August 05, 2021, 04:31:50 PM
Forget the days, try the countdown in hours.

3 hours....
2 hours....
1 hour.....
1/2 hour....

Prescient
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 05, 2021, 04:37:38 PM
Picked it like a dirty nose... :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on August 05, 2021, 04:37:49 PM
The Premiers  could use this  chorus line for the Lockdown states when they do their daily spruking to the media scum .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cia_v4vxfE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cia_v4vxfE)    ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on August 05, 2021, 04:38:50 PM
A concerning article

https://www.newsweek.com/2021/08/13/doomsday-covid-variant-worse-delta-lambda-may-coming-scientists-say-1615874.html (https://www.newsweek.com/2021/08/13/doomsday-covid-variant-worse-delta-lambda-may-coming-scientists-say-1615874.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on August 05, 2021, 05:58:44 PM
In relation to your artical Plusnq .. MSM Wont give this bloke airtime, even though he was part of the group who developed the mRNA stuff ..  right or wrong,  to be informed we need to hear both sides .. This explains a few things and  some mistakes ..    https://rumble.com/vkkriq-episode-1137-deep-dive-into-covid.html?fbclid=IwAR0_-0-x7GOTJoW0_xTYJR7r556hepesHOiZ7MPxMwF1qwhwqkrGEGqfzI0 (https://rumble.com/vkkriq-episode-1137-deep-dive-into-covid.html?fbclid=IwAR0_-0-x7GOTJoW0_xTYJR7r556hepesHOiZ7MPxMwF1qwhwqkrGEGqfzI0) .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 05, 2021, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: edz
..  right or wrong,  to be informed we need to hear both sides ..
I agree with that ...

Although I think we are being flooded with "info"... and people stilll think this is all an elite conspiracy .. I have few mates who are complete deniers
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on August 05, 2021, 08:18:43 PM
You are in control of these
Believe in Covid
Disbelieve Covid
Stay in lockdown
Leave lockdown
Wear a mask
Don’t wear a mask
Get vaccinated
Don’t get vaccinated
Get AZ
Don’t get AZ
Get Pfizer
Don’t get Pfizer

But these you have no control
Get Covid
Don’t get Covid
Long term damage from Covid
Full recovery from Covid
Survive Covid
Die from Covid

We will all make choices and the decisions we make may well determine how you go in the no control over department.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on August 05, 2021, 09:02:43 PM
Interesting fact from the 1350’s Black Plague, the word quarantine evolved. In 1377, ( that’s how long the plague had been going ), in now Croatia, they imposed a 40 day quarantino, for incoming people from infected areas.
Even though the plague killed 1/3 of the world population, at least one place got it right !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 06, 2021, 04:07:46 AM
The anti maskers and anti vaxxers do my head in.

Maskers first.... i don't know anyone who wouldn't wear a mask for the following reasons.

Use a welder............................... Wear a mask..... Save your eyesight
Spray 2 pac paint........................ Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Remove asbestos........................ Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Decompression @ 30,000 feet...... Wear a mask......Save your life.
Drive a septic pump out truck....... Wear a mask..... Save your lunch
Spray herbicides..........................Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Morgue/dead body retrieval.......... Wear a mask..... Save your lunch and anything else you can think of.
World wide virus......................... I'm not wearing no stinking mask and you can't make me.

Vaxxers.... your not stinking that needle in me.... people die from it and i don't know what's in it.

People die from anaesthetics every day..... you're asked to sign a form prior to an operation to that effect.
(I've been under, maybe 3 or 4 times in the last 4 or 5 years.)

So .... here's my plan.

As an anti vaxxer, you front up for the following, you do so with no needle or anaesthetic.

Having a tooth pulled, filled or root canal work done.
Broken bone being set, or pinned.
Colonoscopy.
Endoscopy.
Having a foreign object removed from your eye. 
The list goes on......

To the anti maskers again.....

YOUR REFUSAL TO WEAR A MASK IS NOT A NOBLE STATEMENT OF YOUR PERSONAL FREEDOM.
IT"S A PLAIN AND TELLING INDICATION,THAT YOU'RE A THOUGHTLESS, SELFISH ARSEHOLE.

YOUR MORONIC DISREGARD FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH IS JEOPARDISING EVERYBODY ELSE'S.

MASK UP..... SHUT UP..... FUKK OFF.


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on August 06, 2021, 06:25:12 AM
Quaritine centres as the saviour might be too simplistic if you look at the stats

In June we hit 60,000 returned travellers.  Only about 2-3,000 through NT (about 5%). On that basis Tassie has had more and no outbreaks so they are possibly better.

You would have to dig a lot deeper in to the numbers and figure out the numbers of positives through each type of quaritine, to work out the risk of each type. 

Some of the earlier escapes were not foreseen, and have.since been rectified, eg having negative airpressure in the rooms.

As for after we build a quaritine centres we will have it for other uses, like what?  And the upkeep on vacant buildings, who pays?
Victoria has a desalination plant that was built to solve a drought, that was running after the rain started.  We are still paying for it to sit there waiting for the next drought
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Brij on August 06, 2021, 06:52:38 AM
The anti maskers and anti vaxxers do my head in.

Maskers first.... i don't know anyone who wouldn't wear a mask for the following reasons.

Use a welder............................... Wear a mask..... Save your eyesight
Spray 2 pac paint........................ Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Remove asbestos........................ Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Decompression @ 30,000 feet...... Wear a mask......Save your life.
Drive a septic pump out truck....... Wear a mask..... Save your lunch
Spray herbicides..........................Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Morgue/dead body retrieval.......... Wear a mask..... Save your lunch and anything else you can think of.
World wide virus......................... I'm not wearing no stinking mask and you can't make me.

Vaxxers.... your not stinking that needle in me.... people die from it and i don't know what's in it.

People die from anaesthetics every day..... you're asked to sign a form prior to an operation to that effect.
(I've been under, maybe 3 or 4 times in the last 4 or 5 years.)

So .... here's my plan.

As an anti vaxxer, you front up for the following, you do so with no needle or anaesthetic.

Having a tooth pulled, filled or root canal work done.
Broken bone being set, or pinned.
Colonoscopy.
Endoscopy.
Having a foreign object removed from your eye. 
The list goes on......

To the anti maskers again.....

YOUR REFUSAL TO WEAR A MASK IS NOT A NOBLE STATEMENT OF YOUR PERSONAL FREEDOM.
IT"S A PLAIN AND TELLING INDICATION,THAT YOU'RE A THOUGHTLESS, SELFISH ARSEHOLE.

YOUR MORONIC DISREGARD FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH IS JEOPARDISING EVERYBODY ELSE'S.

MASK UP..... SHUT UP..... FUKK OFF.

You forgot one - "can't breath with a mask on whilst sitting in my office, or strolling through the supermarket", but a CFA, RFS........fire fighter can wear a mask for 12 hous straight on a 45 degree day whilst dragging heavy canvas hose up a hill to try to save your sea change shack.

The other thing with anti maskers that does my head in is ......it's not just about you.
Personally, in my little country town in Eastern Vic the chance of me coming into contact with someone with covid at the moment is extremely low, but I still wear a mask when in puplic because that person wondering around the supermarket atsametime as me could have health concerns and could be scared Shitless by covid.
It takes absolutely nothing for me to wear a mask and not antagonise that person. I don't believe I have the right to impose my "anti mask" ideals on others who may not share my opinions.

I liken it to smoking and blowing smoke in a non smokers face. Well not quite the same, a simplistic anology.
I don't know any smokers who would do that, even though they have a riight to smoke.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 06, 2021, 07:04:58 AM
I'd forgotten about the firies.... perfect example.  :cup:

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on August 06, 2021, 07:29:46 AM
As for after we build a quaritine centres we will have it for other uses, like what?  And the upkeep on vacant buildings, who pays?

Might be interesting to see what our friends in the north come up with for the Howard Springs centre.
 https://haveyoursay.nt.gov.au/village (https://haveyoursay.nt.gov.au/village)

My understanding of the proposed center at Toowoomba was just built with demountables and would be deconstructed just as quickly as it is built.
There’s plenty of mining camps just down the road that could do with some fresh accommodation.
Even if they left a scaled down version of the center on the site, it could easily be used as a stepping off point for FIFO workers in the gas fields.

Perhaps in hindsight, the family should have just got someone else to lodge the application on their behalf.
If the other Jonesy hadn’t noticed who was building this thing it would have been up and running by now and we would have 2 states (well one state and one territory) with actual quarantine facilities.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Rowlie on August 06, 2021, 07:55:33 AM
Quaritine centres as the saviour might be too simplistic if you look at the stats

In June we hit 60,000 returned travellers.  Only about 2-3,000 through NT (about 5%). On that basis Tassie has had more and no outbreaks so they are possibly better.

You would have to dig a lot deeper in to the numbers and figure out the numbers of positives through each type of quaritine, to work out the risk of each type. 

Some of the earlier escapes were not foreseen, and have.since been rectified, eg having negative airpressure in the rooms.

As for after we build a quaritine centres we will have it for other uses, like what?  And the upkeep on vacant buildings, who pays?
Victoria has a desalination plant that was built to solve a drought, that was running after the rain started.  We are still paying for it to sit there waiting for the next drought


Hey Jonesy, you had me right up till the desalination plant analogy. Last year we used 125gl of desal water in Melbourne which is about 25% of total usage. I am not across how much water CUB needs for its brewing activities but I would suggest it fits into this 25%.Now who wants to put that in jeopardy?

 Most don't realise that we live in a marginal rainfall environment and at the current growth rate we need the desal plant to not only drought proof our city but to maintain the minimum requirement.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: achjimmy on August 06, 2021, 10:16:34 AM
Your attitude is In no doubt a selfish one.

I’m sure when you are on your death bed and if a loved child was O/S you would hope they could come and give you one last hug. That would be the wish of most That can only happen through compassion of this country.

But isn’t that a selfish wish ?

I am with others there was plenty of notice given to those to come hone. Borders should have been tighter .
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Post by: achjimmy on August 06, 2021, 10:17:46 AM
The anti maskers and anti vaxxers do my head in.

Maskers first.... i don't know anyone who wouldn't wear a mask for the following reasons.

Use a welder............................... Wear a mask..... Save your eyesight
Spray 2 pac paint........................ Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Remove asbestos........................ Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Decompression @ 30,000 feet...... Wear a mask......Save your life.
Drive a septic pump out truck....... Wear a mask..... Save your lunch
Spray herbicides..........................Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Morgue/dead body retrieval.......... Wear a mask..... Save your lunch and anything else you can think of.
World wide virus......................... I'm not wearing no stinking mask and you can't make me.

Vaxxers.... your not stinking that needle in me.... people die from it and i don't know what's in it.

People die from anaesthetics every day..... you're asked to sign a form prior to an operation to that effect.
(I've been under, maybe 3 or 4 times in the last 4 or 5 years.)

So .... here's my plan.

As an anti vaxxer, you front up for the following, you do so with no needle or anaesthetic.

Having a tooth pulled, filled or root canal work done.
Broken bone being set, or pinned.
Colonoscopy.
Endoscopy.
Having a foreign object removed from your eye. 
The list goes on......

To the anti maskers again.....

YOUR REFUSAL TO WEAR A MASK IS NOT A NOBLE STATEMENT OF YOUR PERSONAL FREEDOM.
IT"S A PLAIN AND TELLING INDICATION,THAT YOU'RE A THOUGHTLESS, SELFISH ARSEHOLE.

YOUR MORONIC DISREGARD FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH IS JEOPARDISING EVERYBODY ELSE'S.

MASK UP..... SHUT UP..... FUKK OFF.

Great points
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Post by: corndog on August 06, 2021, 12:17:32 PM
The anti maskers and anti vaxxers do my head in.

Maskers first.... i don't know anyone who wouldn't wear a mask for the following reasons.

Use a welder............................... Wear a mask..... Save your eyesight
Spray 2 pac paint........................ Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Remove asbestos........................ Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Decompression @ 30,000 feet...... Wear a mask......Save your life.
Drive a septic pump out truck....... Wear a mask..... Save your lunch
Spray herbicides..........................Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Morgue/dead body retrieval.......... Wear a mask..... Save your lunch and anything else you can think of.
World wide virus......................... I'm not wearing no stinking mask and you can't make me.

Vaxxers.... your not stinking that needle in me.... people die from it and i don't know what's in it.

People die from anaesthetics every day..... you're asked to sign a form prior to an operation to that effect.
(I've been under, maybe 3 or 4 times in the last 4 or 5 years.)

So .... here's my plan.

As an anti vaxxer, you front up for the following, you do so with no needle or anaesthetic.

Having a tooth pulled, filled or root canal work done.
Broken bone being set, or pinned.
Colonoscopy.
Endoscopy.
Having a foreign object removed from your eye. 
The list goes on......

To the anti maskers again.....

YOUR REFUSAL TO WEAR A MASK IS NOT A NOBLE STATEMENT OF YOUR PERSONAL FREEDOM.
IT"S A PLAIN AND TELLING INDICATION,THAT YOU'RE A THOUGHTLESS, SELFISH ARSEHOLE.

YOUR MORONIC DISREGARD FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH IS JEOPARDISING EVERYBODY ELSE'S.

MASK UP..... SHUT UP..... FUKK OFF.

Give the camper the gold medal, we have a winner.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 06, 2021, 01:43:26 PM
 :cheers:
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Post by: alnjan on August 07, 2021, 12:03:09 PM
One positive covid test and Armidale to go into Lockdown for a week.   

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-nsw-update-armidale-snap-lockdown-announced-covid19-cases-northern-tablelands/323178cf-db73-47f0-b29b-8fcbad92ddf5 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-nsw-update-armidale-snap-lockdown-announced-covid19-cases-northern-tablelands/323178cf-db73-47f0-b29b-8fcbad92ddf5)
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Post by: MDS69 on August 07, 2021, 08:29:25 PM
Just a different spin on border restrictions for return travellers.
I heard one story of an Australian and I am guessing Caucasian and lived in India for 20 years. When the first wave hit she Shit herself and tried to come home to family. In that case you have made your bed now lie in it.
On the other side of the coin there were/are people in the USA who when the government said consider coming home to do so but these people had jobs and visas and thought they were safe. With their jobs they had healthcare insurance and we know what that is like to have in the US. With their jobs they were able to have rented accomodation. After several months on thinking they were safe they then lost their job which in turn their employer funded healthcare. With no income no place to live. Now trying to get out of Dodge.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 08, 2021, 07:27:01 AM
So, who else thinks, the S/E Qld lockdown will go another week?
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Post by: Steffo1 on August 08, 2021, 08:22:07 AM
To next Friday, perhaps.
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Post by: jclures on August 08, 2021, 10:11:00 AM
Cairns in lock down.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 08, 2021, 10:29:23 AM
We're coming out @ 4pm..... YAY
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 08, 2021, 10:36:41 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers
So, who else thinks, the S/E Qld lockdown will go another week?
Dans already sayin the Vic one will be extended and we only just started.. good psychological warfare
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Post by: McGirr on August 08, 2021, 05:32:39 PM
Speaking to a few nurses they mentioned that even if you have had both shots and get covid they may not show any systems yet can still spread it. Hence they still have to isolate in lockdowns like everyone else.

My 2c worth is that they will never get rid of the strains. We will have to live with it for a very, very long time.

Taking this into account how much longer does everyone have to continue living in lockdowns.

There has to be a time that we all say enough is enough.

Questions:

What percentage do we need to have within the population being jabbed, to get back to normality.

What happens, if come Jan 2022, we are still having long lockdowns. What then...

What plans are in place for the next 1 to 3 years to live with covid.

It could take years to get zero outbreaks if that can ever happen.

Sorry to sound like a pessimist but I have not heard any thing that gives us confidence that anyone, Govt etc knows what it's doing.

Mark

Enjoying life in the NT






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Post by: #jonesy on August 08, 2021, 06:12:41 PM
We've been quoted 70-80%


By comparison look at USA, over 600,000 deaths or scaled down to Australian terms ~ 50,000.  Which large town are we happy to lose?

Or look at case per Million, and there aren't too many countries better than us, except NZ and of course China?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries


I'm not liking it either but I'd prefer our model to the others.  Short quick lockdowns for me, rather than weeks of hoping things will magically get better
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Post by: Bird on August 08, 2021, 07:15:05 PM
Quote from: McGirr
What percentage do we need to have within the population being jabbed, to get back to normality.
Your last comment answers this


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What happens, if come Jan 2022, we are still having long lockdowns. What then...
Your last comment answers this


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What plans are in place for the next 1 to 3 years to live with covid.
Your last comment answers this


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It could take years to get zero outbreaks if that can ever happen.
Your last comment answers this

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Sorry to sound like a pessimist but I have not heard any thing that gives us confidence that anyone, Govt etc knows what it's doing.


Quote from: #jonesy
I'm not liking it either but I'd prefer our model to the others.  Short quick lockdowns for me, rather than weeks of hoping things will magically get better
while I agree... there has to be a point in time like Mark said - how long...

As I see it IMWO - this thing isnt going away.. Black plague lasted 6 odd yrs ..m I dont think I could last that long - and even worse for young people... Teens and 20somethings..


https://www.history.com/news/pandemics-end-plague-cholera-black-death-smallpox (https://www.history.com/news/pandemics-end-plague-cholera-black-death-smallpox)
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Post by: alnjan on August 08, 2021, 07:26:51 PM
Speaking to a few nurses they mentioned that even if you have had both shots and get covid they may not show any systems yet can still spread it. Hence they still have to isolate in lockdowns like everyone else.

My 2c worth is that they will never get rid of the strains. We will have to live with it for a very, very long time.

Taking this into account how much longer does everyone have to continue living in lockdowns.

There has to be a time that we all say enough is enough.

Questions:

What percentage do we need to have within the population being jabbed, to get back to normality.

What happens, if come Jan 2022, we are still having long lockdowns. What then...

What plans are in place for the next 1 to 3 years to live with covid.

It could take years to get zero outbreaks if that can ever happen.

Sorry to sound like a pessimist but I have not heard any thing that gives us confidence that anyone, Govt etc knows what it's doing.

Mark

Enjoying life in the NT


Well said Mark.   

Bottom line is we need to learn to live with it, sooner the better.    How to do that is the hard bit.  A look at how other Countries have done and go from there.   

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Post by: Troopy_03 on August 08, 2021, 10:02:22 PM
Well you could say, learn to live with it, and learn to die with it... so many choices eh?
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Post by: edz on August 08, 2021, 10:47:40 PM
Better hope the China Virus, Dosent do a Jeckyl n hyde and mutate into  totaly " Vaccine " resistant strains ... Seems  as its already mutated through  a couple of different variants and able to infect fully jabbed people   .. Israel, UK  aswell as other countries and CDC data reporting .
It will be As that song goes " BBBaby You Aint Seen Nothin Yet " then .
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Post by: plusnq on August 09, 2021, 05:47:03 AM

Well said Mark.   

Bottom line is we need to learn to live with it, sooner the better.    How to do that is the hard bit.  A look at how other Countries have done and go from there.

Which countries do you think are the gold standard Al?
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 09, 2021, 05:54:24 AM
None.... they all have their own issues.
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Post by: alnjan on August 09, 2021, 09:37:14 PM
Which countries do you think are the gold standard Al?

All depends which way you look at it from. 

The Least Deaths
The Least Infections
The Least Lockdowns
The Least Economical Impact
The Least Lifestyle Impacts
etc etc

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Post by: Pete79 on August 09, 2021, 10:21:08 PM
That’s a bit like the old project triangle.
Pick 2…

(https://miro.medium.com/max/1000/0*BXO-Krt9rSiopn6k.)
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Post by: alnjan on August 10, 2021, 10:54:24 AM
Exactly


Yet everyone seems happy to blame those trying to do what they think is the right thing to keep us all protected
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Post by: DandyD on August 10, 2021, 09:31:29 PM
Bottom line is we need to learn to live with it, sooner the better.    How to do that is the hard bit.  A look at how other Countries have done and go from there.

We have done it up here. Life is not quite back to normal, but close. Loads of people infected, a lot fewer dying from it... but still some.

However, I can't really recommend taking the route we took.
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Post by: plusnq on August 10, 2021, 09:57:58 PM
All depends which way you look at it from. 

The Least Deaths
The Least Infections
The Least Lockdowns
The Least Economical Impact
The Least Lifestyle Impacts
etc etc

Still waiting for an answer really as to who you think was the gold standard. Every country is suffering through this. Even the ones who did well early. No good answers.
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Post by: bmwfreak on August 11, 2021, 05:22:08 AM
North Korea ;D
Perfect record of no infections, no deaths, no impact on their economy (haven’t got one >:D), lifestyle unchanged, lockdowns are part of life, who needs Covid  :police: All achieved through total isolation and border controls (nothing has changed) :D
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Post by: gronk on August 11, 2021, 09:29:09 AM
North Korea ;D
Perfect record of no infections, no deaths, no impact on their economy (haven’t got one >:D), lifestyle unchanged, lockdowns are part of life, who needs Covid  :police: All achieved through total isolation and border controls (nothing has changed) :D

And we could have achieved the same thing…….if we had “proper” border controls.
Negative covid test BEFORE getting on a plane to come here.
Flight crew, the same thing.
Anyone testing positive during their 14 day isolation gets another 14 days..
People testing positive in the community are told to go home and isolate…..wrong….hook them and put them in a hotel….they can’t be trusted to isolate at home.

All a bit too late now.
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Post by: edz on August 11, 2021, 11:23:53 AM
 Quote : " All a bit too late now "

Not realy Gronkman.
  Depends how confident and tough you are prepared to be and make a decission  to put your political carreer and  the states financial  concerns to the acid test and put the Bad Genie back in the bottle to reset and start with a more effective option for a better future .. ..
Put it to the punters involved / show them its the only or best sollution,  get them onboard and go for it . Be upfront and open all the way and explain everything as to why and how its needed ..
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Post by: Spada on August 11, 2021, 12:01:25 PM
Mrs Spada has been trying to get the vaccine since June. Registered online and is in the que.
Hears all the PR blurb about the new mega vax hub being set up in Brisbane and tries to register for that, but the system wont allow it. Rings the covid hotline to enquire and gets told that she cant register as she is already registered on the waiting list. Then gets told that because she is not an essential worker, and because of her age, they will not be contacting her until October to make a booking, and then there will still be a lead time after that.
I swear, if another talking head on the telly starts yapping on about not enough people getting vaccinated....... I'm gunna need a replacement TV.
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Post by: jfella on August 11, 2021, 01:45:01 PM
Mrs Spada has been trying to get the vaccine since June. Registered online and is in the que.
Hears all the PR blurb about the new mega vax hub being set up in Brisbane and tries to register for that, but the system wont allow it. Rings the covid hotline to enquire and gets told that she cant register as she is already registered on the waiting list. Then gets told that because she is not an essential worker, and because of her age, they will not be contacting her until October to make a booking, and then there will still be a lead time after that.
I swear, if another talking head on the telly starts yapping on about not enough people getting vaccinated....... I'm gunna need a replacement TV.

Is that wait list for Pfizer or Astrazeneca?
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Post by: Bird on August 11, 2021, 02:56:36 PM
it'll never go away.... to look at ****in real estate... line him up against a wall.


Sydney man who travelled to Byron to be charged with public health order breach
By Fergus Hunter

A Sydney man who triggered a snap lockdown in Byron Bay after travelling to the area while infected with COVID-19 will be charged with breaching public health orders.

Zoran Radovanovic, 52, who is now being treated in Lismore Base Hospital, is believed to have travelled to the area to look at real estate, potentially using an exemption contained in NSW COVID-19 restrictions
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Post by: Foo on August 11, 2021, 02:57:47 PM
Surely you can get it done quicker at a your Drs? I only had a one week wait when my appointment was made and that's because I'm away in a trucknall week.

Foo

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Post by: Pete79 on August 11, 2021, 03:14:29 PM
I was in exactly the same situation as Mrs Spada.
Our youthfulness is working against us…. ;)

I signed up ages ago on the QLD gov website and got told to join the queue, we’ll get in touch sometime around October, after all the boomers are taken care of. We’ll let you know when there’s some left over vaccinations for you and all the other kids to fight over.

Then out of the blue, I got a message early last week to say there are suddenly all of these availabilities near me.
Managed to get an appointment in Nambour this Friday.
I have no idea if it’s Pfizer or Astra, the booking site doesn’t actually say. But I’m just glad to have the chance to get anything at this point.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on August 11, 2021, 03:29:48 PM
Is that wait list for Pfizer or Astrazeneca?

Phizer.
About 3 weeks for astra from a local'ish GP, but for "reasons" astra is not recommended for mrs Spada.
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Post by: DandyD on August 11, 2021, 03:37:32 PM
I have no idea if it’s Pfizer or Astra, the booking site doesn’t actually say. But I’m just glad to have the chance to get anything at this point.

If you are worried about the blood clot issue, a recent study sponsored by the European Medicines Agency, the EU regulator, concluded that the incidence of blood clots is similar for both AZ and Pfizer vaccines. Incidence of blood clots with covid is eight times greater than from the vaccine.

 https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/07/29/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-blood-clot-risk-similar-to-pfizer-spanish-study-finds (https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/07/29/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-blood-clot-risk-similar-to-pfizer-spanish-study-finds)
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Post by: Pete79 on August 11, 2021, 03:43:04 PM
I’m not that worried personally, but I’m 99% sure it will be Pfizer as the QLD Gov is still rejected the federal government’s latest stance on people under 60 getting astra.

Not sure if Scott is currently flipping or flopping this week, but our palletjack is standing firm on her position with that one.
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Post by: Rodt on August 11, 2021, 03:50:18 PM
People testing positive in the community are told to go home and isolate…..wrong….hook them and put them in a hotel….they can’t be trusted to isolate at home.

Not that easy to do this. There was a bit of a scare over the weekend and were looking to potentially house approx 70 people depending on confirmed result. Reasonably remote and NSW Health had no solution and the only solution close declined to assist. Even had bus transport initially agree to assist with transport but after public backlash withdraw the offer of assistance.

Can fully understand the decisions but highlighted that there are not many choices when push comes to shove
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Post by: Steffo1 on August 11, 2021, 04:42:30 PM
I was in exactly the same situation as Mrs Spada.
Our youthfulness is working against us…. ;)

I signed up ages ago on the QLD gov website and got told to join the queue, we’ll get in touch sometime around October, after all the boomers are taken care of. We’ll let you know when there’s some left over vaccinations for you and all the other kids to fight over.

Then out of the blue, I got a message early last week to say there are suddenly all of these availabilities near me.
Managed to get an appointment in Nambour this Friday.
I have no idea if it’s Pfizer or Astra, the booking site doesn’t actually say. But I’m just glad to have the chance to get anything at this point.

This 'Old Fart' had his 2nd AZ today. There's absolutely nothing to worry a
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: McGirr on August 11, 2021, 05:00:06 PM
Looks like we are all in for the long haul.

"The Northern Territory government is enacting plans to deal with the COVID-19 pandemic for the next five years in recognition the virus will continue to impact society into the future."

"Marylouise McLaws, an epidemiologist at the University of NSW and an advisor to the World Health Organization, said it was "sensible" for governments to implement long-term plans because international vaccination rates remained relatively low.

"Until we get at least 70 per cent of the world population vaccinated, this virus will continue to circulate and mutate," Professor McLaws said."

Be interesting to know that if it mutates, do you have to get further jabs to combat it.

Tough times ahead, regretfully.

Mark
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Post by: edz on August 11, 2021, 05:36:50 PM
The world  better hope  Delta dosent mutate and become Vax resistant, that would reset the vax  clock back to zero for  vax protection . and render all the previous Vax injected  partial protections next to useless ...  Then what do the governments do ..
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Post by: gronk on August 11, 2021, 07:39:09 PM
The world  better hope  Delta dosent mutate and become Vax resistant, that would reset the vax  clock back to zero for  vax protection . and render all the previous Vax injected  partial protections next to useless ...  Then what do the governments do ..

Develop another vaccine. It’s the only way.

Too many are thinking this thing will be around for eternity, but as history shows, it will die out in X yrs.
Could be another 3 or 4, but 6mths after it’s gone, society will go back to exactly like it was before it all happened….just like after devastating floods or bushfires.
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Post by: DandyD on August 11, 2021, 08:18:39 PM

Be interesting to know that if it mutates, do you have to get further jabs to combat it.


It looks like booster shots for over 50s are likely here starting October. There was some talk of the vaccine, presumably AZ, being tweaked to be more effective against the latest variants and combined with a flu jab.
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Post by: jfella on August 11, 2021, 09:47:20 PM
Phizer.
About 3 weeks for astra from a local'ish GP, but for "reasons" astra is not recommended for mrs Spada.
To give a different perspective I am also in BNE and signed up to the QLD health page in Jun, had my first jab on 29/6 and second last week. I am 45 if that makes a difference.

I think when they say there is heaps of vaccines because there is heaps of AZ but people are holding out for something different.  Nothing wrong with that but need to a accept that there are options available now.

Personally I think we are really lucky in Oz to have not had much COVID, and while geography obviously helps, I think all governments at levels have done a great job. Sure, the ATAGI advice wasn’t well communicated but I think people will under their position looking back.

All the best all and look after yourselves,

Cheers!
Jay


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Post by: alnjan on August 11, 2021, 11:22:48 PM
Still waiting for an answer really as to who you think was the gold standard. Every country is suffering through this. Even the ones who did well early. No good answers.

Exactly


Yet everyone seems happy to blame those trying to do what they think is the right thing to keep us all protected
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Post by: Symon on August 12, 2021, 07:42:54 AM
I’m not that worried personally, but I’m 99% sure it will be Pfizer as the QLD Gov is still rejected the federal government’s latest stance on people under 60 getting astra.

You can still get it if you ask for it.  I'm in QLD, am 44, and I got the Az shot.

When I rocked up at the vaccination place I was asked which one I wanted, I said I didn't care so I got the AstraZ shot as there was only 4 people in that queue.  There was over a hundred in the pfizer one and I couldn't be bothered waiting.
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Post by: gronk on August 12, 2021, 08:27:52 AM
You can still get it if you ask for it.  I'm in QLD, am 44, and I got the Az shot.

When I rocked up at the vaccination place I was asked which one I wanted, I said I didn't care so I got the AstraZ shot as there was only 4 people in that queue.  There was over a hundred in the pfizer one and I couldn't be bothered waiting.

Yeh, funny isn’t it…..more chance of one of those people waiting in line getting stung by a bee and dying from it. !!
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Post by: Bird on August 12, 2021, 09:52:06 AM
The state has recorded 21 cases of COVID-19 in the community.


Cant believe "Olympians" are complaining about having to quarantine when they return?? Are they that stupid they didnt expect it?
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Post by: corndog on August 12, 2021, 10:44:45 AM
You can still get it if you ask for it.  I'm in QLD, am 44, and I got the Az shot.

When I rocked up at the vaccination place I was asked which one I wanted, I said I didn't care so I got the AstraZ shot as there was only 4 people in that queue.  There was over a hundred in the pfizer one and I couldn't be bothered waiting.


And there doesn't seem to be a lot of talk about the supposed heart problems that have been happening from some Pfizer vaccinations. Is it "let's not talk about that"?
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Post by: bmwfreak on August 12, 2021, 11:05:12 AM
We did a walk up in a pharmacy for AZ, the day they were allowed to administer the jab. We are in a small country town which would have some impact on waiting times (probably), but whenever we walk past that chemist there doesn’t appear to be sh1tl0ads in a lineup.
As Mr Dandy quoted above, there are as many reasons to not get the fizzer as there is the AZ. Seems that the population is reacting to the blood clot issue(?) the same way they do to whatever started the toilet paper fiasco, a negative post on the social misinformation highway, and that is what is gospel from that time onwards.
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Post by: corndog on August 12, 2021, 11:34:41 AM
Arghhh. Gladys, Gladys, Gladys. You certainly ballsed this one up. Cant help but think with a swift, hard, lockdown for say 4 weeks, that your state, and all the others, wouldn't be in this situation we are in now. You knew before it happened how this strain was. It was coming into the country. Very very good chance it would make its way out of isolation. You didn't leave the gate open for the horse to bolt, you opened the gate and chased it out. I am changing the name of this "China virus" to the "Gladys virus". Cause don't think its fair to blame the Chinese for our problems now.
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Post by: Kangaron on August 12, 2021, 12:29:19 PM
Gladys needs to be proactive, not reactive.
Too little, too late.

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Post by: Bad Scott on August 12, 2021, 12:36:29 PM
ACT in lockdown today.
So all the other states and territories can do a true lockdown. This should be very entertaining for tomorrow's NSW press conference.
Getting my popcorn ready

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Post by: Bird on August 12, 2021, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: SJindustries
ACT in lockdown today.


Canberra lockdown to begin as ACT records one local COVID-19 case
1 case...
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Post by: edz on August 12, 2021, 01:22:14 PM
Well you know what  happens when they get wet   ;D ;D   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLZP4QA4mU4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLZP4QA4mU4)
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Post by: Rodt on August 12, 2021, 01:24:44 PM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

While there are a number saying I told you so I reckon Gladys and the government made what they thought were the best decisions at the time. This bloody virus wouldn't be at the levels if people did the right thing as has been said on here multiple times. Not the governments fault if people can't make their own minds up or are deniers (eg: old mate from Sydney last week, delivery drivers a few weeks ago)
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Post by: Bird on August 12, 2021, 01:46:13 PM
Quote from: Rodt
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
agree


Quote
While there are a number saying I told you so I reckon Gladys and the government made what they thought were the best decisions at the time.
Would you think seeing what had happened in Victoria wouldnt have been a good idea of what can go wrong  and how quick and we need to act quick?
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Post by: Kangaron on August 12, 2021, 03:35:27 PM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.



19th July
NSW needs to go into a hard lockdown, not the pretend lockdown there have atm.
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Post by: Pete79 on August 12, 2021, 04:37:08 PM
In Gladys’ defense, it’s hard to do the right thing when the wrong thing is being touted as the gold standard…
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Post by: alnjan on August 12, 2021, 06:03:06 PM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

While there are a number saying I told you so I reckon Gladys and the government made what they thought were the best decisions at the time. This bloody virus wouldn't be at the levels if people did the right thing as has been said on here multiple times. Not the governments fault if people can't make their own minds up or are deniers (eg: old mate from Sydney last week, delivery drivers a few weeks ago)

I agree.   When the Delta Virus started in the Eastern Suburbs restrictions were put in place.  While it slowly spread from Eastern Sydney to Western Sydney the Eastern section did what was required showing the restrictions worked.   However it has been show Western Sydney didn't follow the restrictions and now they have made it worse.   People, not Premier. 
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Post by: Robbo on August 12, 2021, 07:36:06 PM
I agree.   When the Delta Virus started in the Eastern Suburbs restrictions were put in place.  While it slowly spread from Eastern Sydney to Western Sydney the Eastern section did what was required showing the restrictions worked.   However it has been show Western Sydney didn't follow the restrictions and now they have made it worse.   People, not Premier.
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Post by: plusnq on August 12, 2021, 07:42:11 PM
I’d like to see what Kerry Chant’s recommendations were before making a decision. It’s hard to believe they were implemented in full if the Government is unwilling to release them.
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Post by: Kangaron on August 12, 2021, 08:03:53 PM
If people willingly don't obey the rules, the obvious thing to do is tighten them.


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Post by: Pete79 on August 12, 2021, 08:34:11 PM
The Pfizer side effects do get reported on, I guess it just that they don’t have so many deaths associated with them that people aren’t so freaked out about it.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/sydney-reporter-in-hospital-after-rare-pfizer-side-effect-082902976.html (https://au.news.yahoo.com/sydney-reporter-in-hospital-after-rare-pfizer-side-effect-082902976.html)
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Post by: Rodt on August 13, 2021, 07:53:03 AM
If people willingly don't obey the rules, the obvious thing to do is tighten them.


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On face value that may sound reasonable. In reality it punishes the vast majority who are doing the right thing.

I reckon increase the penalties and hold those who are responsible accountable
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Post by: Kangaron on August 13, 2021, 08:13:15 AM
Stiff, just do it.
They are playing politics instead of doing the right thing.

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Post by: Bird on August 13, 2021, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: Rodt
I reckon increase the penalties and hold those who are responsible accountable

With so many people out there believing this  is some sort of Elite or global conspiracy to kull populations "the BIG RESET" - (yes they do exist) you'll never do it..  Like the White power fools you see marching in the city ... Like drink driving, like speeding and million other things.. people don't think the rules are for them.

or a cockhead wanting to go look at Realestate  (http://"https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-11/police-to-charge-sydney-man-who-sparked-byron-bay-covid-lockdown/100368176") cause thats life and death...


There was another article few weeks back someone linked here where 80% of people fined in last 18mths hadn't paid... 

Fines don't work and I don't know about you, but I don't want to live like this in and out of lock-down for next 20yrs.. If that's how it will be I'll take a magic pill now thanks.
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Post by: Rowlie on August 13, 2021, 11:24:44 AM
With so many people out there believing this  is some sort of Elite or global conspiracy to kull populations "the BIG RESET" - (yes they do exist) you'll never do it..  Like the White power fools you see marching in the city ... Like drink driving, like speeding and million other things.. people don't think the rules are for them.

or a cockhead wanting to go look at Realestate  (http://"https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-11/police-to-charge-sydney-man-who-sparked-byron-bay-covid-lockdown/100368176") cause thats life and death...


There was another article few weeks back someone linked here where 80% of people fined in last 18mths hadn't paid... 

Fines don't work and I don't know about you, but I don't want to live like this in and out of lock-down for next 20yrs.. If that's how it will be I'll take a magic pill now thanks.


Bird, I am just a silly old fart but I reckon its all about faith. I am not talking religious faith necessarily - I am not religious at all, but it occurs to me that we have to have confidence that this too shall pass.

 I am 65 and longevity isn't in my genes but I am strong and healthy partly because of governments and medical professionals creating and providing vaccines and antibiotics. I have "faith" in the concept that the pollies and medicos have our welfare foremost in their actions. With so many of them working on this I am confident they will find a way to either get us to the point of an annual jab as we do with the flu or indeed find a cure.

I don't see much value in focussing on the non believers, anti vaxers, law breakers, protesters, fine dodgers etc. I actually know someone who is a flat earther - believes vehemently that the world is not round. No amount of science or evidence can convince him otherwise. Sound familiar?

I like to focus on the nos. of people getting jabbed - especially the changes in attitudes of the gen ys and zs - they are leading the way. Whilst I have the utmost sympathy for the small businesses suffering thru the lockdowns I can't do much other than support them as much as I can between lockdowns.

 I remember things like mandatory seatbelts, .05 alcohol limits, and the intro of the decimal system and each had its pushbacks, deniers and nay sayers but we wouldn't be without them now. The pollies knew these were right.

In a nutshell we all have to have faith in something. Put your pill away for now and stick around to watch and marvel at how inventive and resilient we are.

End of sermon.



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Post by: plusnq on August 13, 2021, 12:08:21 PM
With so many people out there believing this  is some sort of Elite or global conspiracy to kull populations "the BIG RESET" - (yes they do exist) you'll never do it..  Like the White power fools you see marching in the city ... Like drink driving, like speeding and million other things.. people don't think the rules are for them.

or a cockhead wanting to go look at Realestate  (http://"https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-11/police-to-charge-sydney-man-who-sparked-byron-bay-covid-lockdown/100368176") cause thats life and death...


There was another article few weeks back someone linked here where 80% of people fined in last 18mths hadn't paid... 

Fines don't work and I don't know about you, but I don't want to live like this in and out of lock-down for next 20yrs.. If that's how it will be I'll take a magic pill now thanks.

If I was planning a big reset, I be keeping the compliant ones and releasing a more lethal form of the virus to kill off the non compliant, ie unvaccinated people. Why would I kill off the obedient ones? 😂😂😂
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Post by: Bird on August 13, 2021, 12:53:04 PM
Quote from: plusnq
If I was planning a big reset, I be keeping the compliant ones and releasing a more lethal form of the virus to kill off the non compliant, ie unvaccinated people. Why would I kill off the obedient ones? 😂😂😂
Thats what they believe is happening... its mind numbing to try and have a chat with these people...

I know 7 people who believe 'this is all a conspiracy by the rich and powerful elite (NFI who they are)'... '... from day 1 it just doesn't feel right'... You cant talk logic at all to them.  100% concreted in believers that this is all deliberate.

Why? Apparently to kull the worlds population blah blah, The big 'reset' (what ever that is supposed to be).

There's even online forums for it all that he says I apparently should check out...  They people are all full of quitting work and going on dole/pensions for life if they are forced to be vaxed by their work and one of the 3 stooges works in the medical industry!

One of the mailing list hes on has been warning the members for few years that "this was coming" and I told you so...


As I see it while you have that many tools, this Shit wont go away and we will be in and out of this Shit as it eventually mutates to other strains (maybe Im wrong, hope so). Good psychological warfare though :)

as for faith and religion lets not go there, theres a few that get all touchy when we start on that manure :D

Anyway -
The Covid roadshow is now visiting Dubbo and Walgett lets see how that goes.
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Post by: Bad Scott on August 13, 2021, 12:56:37 PM
WA just tightened it's border again

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Post by: jclures on August 13, 2021, 01:30:08 PM
 Would not be surprised if the Queensland NSW border is locked by tomorrow, with how it is spreading in NSW.
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Post by: l0ckym on August 13, 2021, 01:38:02 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they lock down the entire state of NSW at this point.
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Post by: westvic on August 13, 2021, 01:55:43 PM
With regard all the silly buggers that think that a mask over their chin only or no mask at all maybe we need an media campaign something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2nvAFOk7x0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2nvAFOk7x0)

just a subtle way calling them a wanker  ;D and then shame them into doing something better
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Post by: Steffo1 on August 13, 2021, 02:05:50 PM
With regard all the silly buggers that think that a mask over their chin only or no mask at all maybe we need an media campaign something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2nvAFOk7x0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2nvAFOk7x0)

just a subtle way calling them a wanker  ;D and then shame them into doing something better

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Post by: alnjan on August 13, 2021, 11:34:33 PM
Thats what they believe is happening... its mind numbing to try and have a chat with these people...

I know 7 people who believe 'this is all a conspiracy by the rich and powerful elite (NFI who they are)'... '... from day 1 it just doesn't feel right'... You cant talk logic at all to them.  100% concreted in believers that this is all deliberate.

Why? Apparently to kull the worlds population blah blah, The big 'reset' (what ever that is supposed to be).

There's even online forums for it all that he says I apparently should check out...  They people are all full of quitting work and going on dole/pensions for life if they are forced to be vaxed by their work and one of the 3 stooges works in the medical industry!

One of the mailing list hes on has been warning the members for few years that "this was coming" and I told you so...


As I see it while you have that many tools, this Shit wont go away and we will be in and out of this Shit as it eventually mutates to other strains (maybe Im wrong, hope so). Good psychological warfare though :)

as for faith and religion lets not go there, theres a few that get all touchy when we start on that manure :D

Anyway -
The Covid roadshow is now visiting Dubbo and Walgett lets see how that goes.


I like the ones that believe they will 'catch' the vaccine from those already vaccinated.   
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 14, 2021, 03:20:43 AM
Thats what they believe is happening... its mind numbing to try and have a chat with these people...

I know 7 people who believe 'this is all a conspiracy by the rich and powerful elite (NFI who they are)'... '... from day 1 it just doesn't feel right'... You cant talk logic at all to them.  100% concreted in believers that this is all deliberate.

Why? Apparently to kull the worlds population blah blah, The big 'reset' (what ever that is supposed to be).

There's even online forums for it all that he says I apparently should check out...  They people are all full of quitting work and going on dole/pensions for life if they are forced to be vaxed by their work and one of the 3 stooges works in the medical industry!

One of the mailing list hes on has been warning the members for few years that "this was coming" and I told you so...


As I see it while you have that many tools, this Shit wont go away and we will be in and out of this Shit as it eventually mutates to other strains (maybe Im wrong, hope so). Good psychological warfare though :)

as for faith and religion lets not go there, theres a few that get all touchy when we start on that manure :D

Anyway -
The Covid roadshow is now visiting Dubbo and Walgett lets see how that goes.

You've just covered more than half of Logan in Brisbane and not far off the same in Ipswich.

A bloke I've known for some time, a really smart/clever guy..... he's turned out to be such a wanker over all of this.
Whenever I'd check my Facebook updates, here's Baz banging away again.

At age 61, I'm just flat out, too friggin old, to sit here and listen to the likes of Baz pissing and moaning.
The answer..... i just cut 'em loose and let the tide take 'em.



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Post by: #jonesy on August 14, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
It might end up being the   "Big Reset"

The vaccinated survive, the others don't
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Post by: gronk on August 14, 2021, 09:47:00 AM
It might end up being the   "Big Reset"

The vaccinated survive, the others don't

I hope it doesn’t come to that…..I’m unvaccinated, because I can’t yet and when I do get it, I’m unsure if it will vaccinate me properly.
If it gets out of control and it’s spread amongst the general population , I’ll nearly have to stay in isolation to make sure I stay alive.
And that will suck…….for me anyway !!
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Post by: Bad Scott on August 14, 2021, 09:54:56 AM


And that will suck…….for me anyway !!

Ahh peace

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Post by: McGirr on August 14, 2021, 02:02:21 PM
Bloody hell, it just keeps getting worse.

I just can't see 70% of people being vaccinated will open the doors.

Still haven't heard how this new strain got worse, what caused it etc.

Could it mutate even more. Who knows.

It's going to be a hard long journey ahead for everyone.

Mark
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Post by: edz on August 14, 2021, 02:33:32 PM
Might be a short shift at work tonight .. NSW suppossedly going into a Statewide 5 day lockdown from 5 PM  as per our local councilers notifacation .. Updates to be advised ..
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Post by: D4D on August 14, 2021, 02:50:46 PM
I had my own personal 'circuit breaker' today as it's been a long couple of weeks for numerous reasons. I needed to get something done that was outside my 5km radius. Driving on my own I felt like I was running moonshine. I got there and back without incident and not making contact with anybody. It was great to see the large number of families out on bikes enjoying their 2 hours of freedom. Disappointing though to see so many people still not masking up or drinking that endless coffee...
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Post by: Bird on August 14, 2021, 02:53:39 PM
I had my own personal 'circuit breaker' today as it's been a long couple of weeks for numerous reasons. I needed to get something done that was outside my 5km radius. Driving on my own I felt like I was running moonshine. I got there and back without incident and not making contact with anybody. It was great to see the large number of families out on bikes enjoying their 2 hours of freedom. Disappointing though to see so many people still not masking up or drinking that endless coffee...
I now live near a main road - its insane the amount of traffic going by, endless tradie utes and tipper trucks
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Post by: D4D on August 14, 2021, 02:55:59 PM
I now live near a main road - its insane the amount of traffic going by, endless tradie utes and tipper trucks

I was surprised how much traffic was out and about.
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Post by: wakychapmans on August 14, 2021, 04:30:43 PM

A bloke I've known for some time, a really smart/clever guy..... he's turned out to be such a wanker over all of this.
Whenever I'd check my Facebook updates, here's Baz banging away again.

there is a well known owner of a large(ish) camping and 4wd supply company. I stumbled across his personal Facebook page as someone had mentioned that he often posted pics of new products there...

OMFG...

this guy is deep, and I DO mean DEEP down the Qanon rabbit hole. (secret podophile rituals... that kind of thing)

Nice bloke too if you meet him face to face.

Sad really...

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Post by: corndog on August 14, 2021, 05:15:47 PM
NSW into state wide lockdown. Well Gladys, think it's a case of too much too late. If you went too much a lot sooner you might have had it over and done with weeks ago. And the rest of Australia would be better off as well.
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Post by: D4D on August 14, 2021, 06:00:30 PM
NSW into state wide lockdown. Well Gladys, think it's a case of too much too late. If you went too much a lot sooner you might have had it over and done with weeks ago. And the rest of Australia would be better off as well.

She didn't even front up to announce it...
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Post by: plusnq on August 14, 2021, 06:41:47 PM
She didn't even front up to announce it...

Not a good look
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Post by: MarkGU on August 14, 2021, 06:44:31 PM
She didn't even front up to announce it...
The two biggest f*ck ups that were made with this virus 1: Letting the Ruby Princess to be able to dock in sydney.
                                                                                        2: Allowing international flight to resume again.

Both made by the government & now we all are paying the price.

Nice one you overpaid bunch of clowns. >:(
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Post by: Bad Scott on August 14, 2021, 06:48:42 PM
Press conference tomorrow is gonna be sooooooooooooo gooooooooooood.
There's gotta be something that beats popcorn for tomorrow's viewing pleasure

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Post by: Bird on August 14, 2021, 07:00:10 PM
Press conference tomorrow is gonna be sooooooooooooo gooooooooooood.
There's gotta be something that beats popcorn for tomorrow's viewing pleasure

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Post by: Bad Scott on August 14, 2021, 07:02:16 PM
(https://www.mensjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/mankato-popcorn-beer-0ba83dbb-18c7-4236-924a-ce09055f893d.jpg?crop=385px%2C0px%2C980px%2C980px&resize=1200%2C1200&quality=86&strip=all)
Going to the bottle shop now

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Post by: edz on August 14, 2021, 09:57:31 PM
She might need to borrow Little Johny Howards  flak jacket  .. If the excitable types get cranky .  ;D
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 15, 2021, 03:30:54 AM
Did i hear correctly last night? (only caught a whiff of it)

Qld has asked NSW if the checkpoint can be moved a tad south so as not to impact residents again.(Mostly NSW residents too)

And was met with a NO again?
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Post by: Pete79 on August 15, 2021, 07:55:36 AM
Finally got the opportunity to get my first jab on Friday.
There was no line up at the Nambour vaccination center. Walked straight in, got my details checked and given a seat to wait for my turn. Only just had enough time to read the little information page they gave when signing in before being called for my shot. The whole process took about 25 minutes, including the 15 minute wait after the jab.
I got Pfizer, but could have asked for AZ if I wanted it. No difference in waiting time for either one. 
Didn’t even feel the needle, no side effects apart from a little bit of sensitivity around the injection spot, but not enough to stop me from working on the car all day yesterday.


Questions:

What percentage do we need to have within the population being jabbed, to get back to normality.

What happens, if come Jan 2022, we are still having long lockdowns. What then...

What plans are in place for the next 1 to 3 years to live with covid.

It could take years to get zero outbreaks if that can ever happen.

Sorry to sound like a pessimist but I have not heard any thing that gives us confidence that anyone, Govt etc knows what it's doing.

Mark

Enjoying life in the NT

Our company has a factory in Florida and I talk to the manager over there a couple of times a week.
He’s always laughing at our ‘ridiculous’ lockdowns every time we get a hand full of cases. He also can’t believe that we stop people traveling between states to try and control the spread.

Being a staunch republican, he has an interesting view on a few things, but he’s always telling me how free they are over there and that you wouldn’t even know there’s a pandemic going on.
They won’t let anyone try to change their lifestyles and they all just go about things as normal.

Looking at the statistics released today perhaps that’s not the smartest plan. ;)
Just this week they had 151,000 new cases and 1071 deaths. That’s 153 people dead every day!!!

So, you’re right that we can’t go on constantly locking down and opening up every other month, but there needs to be some sort of controls. If our constant lockdowns is one end of the spectrum, then the Florida model is the other.

I think if we start from a base of strict lockdowns and travel bans for everyone.
Then we slowly open up and loosen those restrictions for those that are fully vaccinated. Eventually those that are fully vaccinated should be able to get back to as close as normal as possible for the next few years.
I believe that everyone will still have to wear masks when there is outbreaks, regardless of their vaccination status.
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Post by: edz on August 15, 2021, 10:38:51 AM
Getting serious about the Lock down now, Just had what looked like Pol Air doing a fly over, Didnt notice a Sniper sitting in the door though .   ;D
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Post by: Bad Scott on August 15, 2021, 10:46:09 AM
Getting serious about the Lock down now, Just had what looked like Pol Air doing a fly over, Didnt notice a Sniper sitting in the door though .   ;D
That's why he's a sniper

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Post by: Snow on August 15, 2021, 10:53:43 AM
It’ll be alright NSW,

 a wise old Myswag punter said;

"The worst part of a seven day lockdown will be the first six weeks"



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Post by: corndog on August 15, 2021, 11:11:38 AM
I watched the little dots on the Victorian Covid map disappearing and thought how good. 2 weeks later more dots than I can count. Got a feeling that we now have 2 states with covid out of control now. Thanks Gladys.
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Post by: Bird on August 15, 2021, 11:25:39 AM
What can you say
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/berejiklian-s-police-state-pivot-is-desperate-unjustified-and-scary-20210813-p58iiv.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/berejiklian-s-police-state-pivot-is-desperate-unjustified-and-scary-20210813-p58iiv.html)
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Post by: corndog on August 15, 2021, 11:43:10 AM
Watching the NSW covid update. The health officer Dr. Kerry Chant just said "we are at a fork in the road". She has no idea. In reality they are in a 801,150 km² forest with no paths, no idea which direction to turn, fumbling around with a needle less compass, lost, scratching their heads. They seem to be expecting the vaccine to be like a 4 lane highway to appear in the forest and lead them out of the forrest at 110kph. Blaming others for not doing the right things. Always will be those that won't do the right things. Doing it hard and fast, those that don't do it right will have less effect than waiting till its out of control and still not doing it right. They need a quartet playing when they give their news conferences. After all they had one when the Titanic sunk.
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Post by: Bird on August 15, 2021, 11:59:41 AM
Watching the NSW covid update. The health officer Dr. Kerry Chant just said "we are at a fork in the road". She has no idea. In reality they are in a 801,150 km² forest with no paths, no idea which direction to turn, fumbling around with a needle less compass, lost, scratching their heads. They seem to be expecting the vaccine to be like a 4 lane highway to appear in the forest and lead them out of the forrest at 110kph. Blaming others for not doing the right things. Always will be those that won't do the right things. Doing it hard and fast, those that don't do it right will have less effect than waiting till its out of control and still not doing it right. They need a quartet playing when they give their news conferences. After all they had one when the Titanic sunk.
Gladys v Delta...it looks as convincing as the Wallabies taking on the All Blacks. A new team and better tactics are needed just to be in the contest.

Gladys is still going on about their lockdown is so much harser than ours - FFSyou can still go to bunnings.. Try the online thing to a random Vic store then do the random NSW store..
Vic - click and collect
NSW - please wear masks...


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Post by: gronk on August 15, 2021, 12:04:26 PM
Watching the NSW covid update. The health officer Dr. Kerry Chant just said "we are at a fork in the road". She has no idea. In reality they are in a 801,150 km² forest with no paths, no idea which direction to turn, fumbling around with a needle less compass, lost, scratching their heads. They seem to be expecting the vaccine to be like a 4 lane highway to appear in the forest and lead them out of the forrest at 110kph. Blaming others for not doing the right things. Always will be those that won't do the right things. Doing it hard and fast, those that don't do it right will have less effect than waiting till its out of control and still not doing it right. They need a quartet playing when they give their news conferences. After all they had one when the Titanic sunk.

What are you worried about…..the numbers are flying down…460 yesterday, 415 today….Gladys has got this… :cup: :cup:
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Post by: Bad Scott on August 15, 2021, 12:16:00 PM
What are you worried about…..the numbers are flying down…460 yesterday, 415 today….Gladys has got this… :cup: :cup:
Need to refill my popcorn bowl again

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Post by: Bird on August 15, 2021, 12:16:10 PM
What are you worried about…..the numbers are flying down…460 yesterday, 415 today….Gladys has got this… :cup: :cup:
(https://i.imgur.com/rVjKDSG.jpg)
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Post by: #jonesy on August 15, 2021, 12:36:28 PM
Gladys v Delta...it looks as convincing as the Wallabies taking on the All Blacks. A new team and better tactics are needed just to be in the contest.

Gladys is still going on about their lockdown is so much harser than ours - FFSyou can still go to bunnings.. Try the online thing to a random Vic store then do the random NSW store..
Vic - click and collect
NSW - please wear masks...

This is about the third time her restrictions had tightened up and  have been the "toughest"
Still only need to wear masks in shopping centre, strip etc. 
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Post by: edz on August 15, 2021, 12:39:49 PM
Dont have a Glad bag .............. Would a shopping bag do >> Just asking for a friend is all . ;D
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Post by: edz on August 15, 2021, 12:41:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rVjKDSG.jpg)


How dare they  insult the memory of Klinger that way ...
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Post by: corndog on August 15, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Everyone in our house have a laugh when Gladys tells us how harsh her lockdowns have been. "There're the harshest rules of anyone".   Sure.
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Post by: corndog on August 15, 2021, 12:47:51 PM
Did Klinger have a sister? Resemblance  is uncanny.
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Post by: Bird on August 15, 2021, 01:00:00 PM

How dare they  insult the memory of Klinger that way ...
He'd do a better job !!!
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Post by: edz on August 15, 2021, 01:02:30 PM
 ;D ;D Think she may have doubled for Gilligan too
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Post by: Bird on August 15, 2021, 01:10:35 PM
;D ;D Think she may have doubled for Gilligan too
(https://i.redd.it/oofug7cyzqs51.jpg)
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Post by: xcvator on August 15, 2021, 02:38:15 PM
Need to refill my popcorn bowl again

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Where you getting all that popcorn, mail order ?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on August 15, 2021, 03:40:46 PM
Dont have a Glad bag .............. Would a shopping bag do >> Just asking for a friend is all . ;D
You'd need a second bag to put on your head just in case her one came off.

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Post by: Bird on August 15, 2021, 04:48:02 PM
"it doesnt mean us" ....agaim



Mornington Peninsula party, planned for 1000, keeps Victoria Police on high alert
By David Estcourt

Police say they were aware of a party planned to be held on the Mornington Peninsula that would have seen 1000 Victorians congregate.

Victoria Police Acting Superintendent Greg Hinton said authorities were actively patrolling the area after planners had hired a DJ and invited thousands to attend the gathering.

Acting Superintendent Greg Hinton discussed enforcement of health orders associated with COVID-19

“We had a street party last night in the Mornington Peninsula set up for 1000. It was a house party actually with a DJ and stage,” he said.

“We were actively patrolling that area, discouraging people to come.

“It is difficult for officers to monitor every situation where people are picking up takeaways ... because restaurants and things are everywhere, people are gathering … with the warm weather.”

The comments came after roughly 200 Victorians gathered on Sunday afternoon for an informal party on High Street, in Northcote, when a DJ set up outside the Peacock Inn.

People were seen lining up on Sunday for takeaway drinks at Brogan’s Way in Richmond.
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Post by: D4D on August 15, 2021, 04:56:31 PM
The scary thing is, some of those people will run the state and country in the future...
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Post by: Bird on August 15, 2021, 05:00:57 PM
The scary thing is, some of those people will run the state and country in the future...
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9036998656/hF8E48B93/the-futures-so-bright-i-gotta-wear-shades)
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Post by: Bad Scott on August 15, 2021, 05:25:56 PM
Where you getting all that popcorn, mail order ?
Got a stockpile still from last year.

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Post by: Bird on August 15, 2021, 06:08:53 PM
ahem....
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 16, 2021, 03:19:01 AM
The wife was talking to the EX on Sunday. (He's a Sydney paramedic) her EX, not mine

When you hear the situation from a front line worker..... it's not good.

As far as i can tell, we just have to get vaccinated if we are to see any return to any remote kind of normal.

Its a damn shame, that folks will follow anti vaxxers so blindly and ignore medical research.  ???

I've always said, the population has been dumbing down for decades.... this is the proof i think.


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Post by: Bird on August 16, 2021, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers
As far as i can tell, we just have to get vaccinated if we are to see any return to any remote kind of normal.
Gov Co been sayin that for months...  :(

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Its a damn shame, that folks will follow anti vaxxers so blindly and ignore medical research.  ???
Google is better than scientific research.

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I've always said, the population has been dumbing down for decades.... this is the proof i think.
agree.
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Post by: Raym on August 16, 2021, 10:27:58 AM
Good to see the system works.

GP advises me, despite being an old fart, to get Pfizer due to a disorder that has caused me to have a couple of DVTs.

He told me where to book in. Tried that on the health system. Sorry mate we will let you know when you can make an appointment some time in October.

Mate turns up & says local practice is doing them. He just walked in an got an appointment for Pfizer.

So I ducked down this morning & I had an appointment booked, within 5 minutes, for Pfizer no questions asked.

Go figure.
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Post by: Bird on August 16, 2021, 10:34:27 AM
Quote from: Raym
Good to see the system works.

GP advises me, despite being an old fart, to get Pfizer due to a disorder that has caused me to have a couple of DVTs.

He told me where to book in. Tried that on the health system. Sorry mate we will let you know when you can make an appointment some time in October.

Mate turns up & says local practice is doing them. He just walked in an got an appointment for Pfizer.

So I ducked down this morning & I had an appointment booked, within 5 minutes, for Pfizer no questions asked.

Go figure.

hahahahahaha!!!! Thats gold - and not uncommon!!!!
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Post by: Pottsy on August 16, 2021, 11:58:22 AM
Son waltzed into a southern Adelaide hospitalwhich has a vaccine clinic late last week, 1/2 before closing. I’d like to get a Pfizer jab please, have you booked, no, well you need to book, but I’m here and ready to go, ok come on in.

Luck of the draw I’d say.
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Post by: edz on August 16, 2021, 12:16:11 PM
Dictator Palletjack closes  the  borders and dictates " No Jab No entry to QLD " .. 
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Post by: Rodt on August 16, 2021, 12:28:29 PM
Probably no surprise and it will be the future of travel
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on August 16, 2021, 12:30:44 PM
Curfews returning to Melbourne, too many idiots doing what they want

GG
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Post by: Bird on August 16, 2021, 12:48:20 PM
Curfews returning to Melbourne, too many idiots doing what they want

GG
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Victoria’s lockdown extended two weeks + curfew 9pm to 5am
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Post by: Bad Scott on August 16, 2021, 12:51:18 PM
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Victoria’s lockdown extended two weeks + curfew 9pm to 5am
I would love to know the people at that wedding party. 

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Post by: Bird on August 16, 2021, 12:53:24 PM
Quote from: SJindustries
I would love to know the people at that wedding party. 
or the pub crawl, or the shops with queues of 60+ .. or .. or .
Until everyone plays cricket and gets vaxxed etc - even if they dont believe in it, this will be life for another 20 yrs


Dont make plans for November long weekend either.... it wont happen.
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Post by: D4D on August 16, 2021, 12:55:52 PM
Dont make plans for November long weekend either.... it wont happen.

Don't say that. That's the weekend, 4th reschedule, for my trip to Derby...
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Post by: Bad Scott on August 16, 2021, 12:56:09 PM
Unfortunately I do have to agree with you on this

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Post by: Bird on August 16, 2021, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: D4D
Don't say that. That's the weekend, 4th reschedule, for my trip to Derby...
Get your money back now.

Going off how its worked this year, I work out that numbers will drop, we will be 'released' - the wankers will be let loose - everyone will have been happy for a month, and by November will be locked again
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Post by: alnjan on August 16, 2021, 07:25:00 PM
Dictator Palletjack closes  the  borders and dictates " No Jab No entry to QLD " ..

Talk by some truckies is if she does that they will park south of the border.    See how long it takes for the essentials to blockade the road. 
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Post by: Pete79 on August 16, 2021, 09:21:20 PM
They should get used to it.
ScoMo’s plan C, D, L, M, 5a, 17b or whatever the hell he chooses to call it, will absolutely involve vaccinations for interstate travel.

Wether that happens at 80%, 70% or 50% of the population fully vaccinated will depend of what the focus group of the week has recommended, but it will happen.
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Post by: alnjan on August 16, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
They do need to get used to it.  Especially when looking at other Countries with way higher vaccination rates, including mostly double vaccinated, still getting covid in large numbers.   

Truckies are getting Covid tested something like every three days.   
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Post by: Bird on August 16, 2021, 10:11:57 PM
They do need to get used to it.]
Everyone needs to get used to it... one of my conspiracy mates was forced by work to get his shot... he was going to see lawyers and Shit last I heard...
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Post by: Bird on August 16, 2021, 10:30:20 PM
Huge $350k in fines expected over Melbourne lockdown engagement party


anyone  believe it?


Tonight, the mother of the groom responded to the criticism, asking for understanding.
"We did wrong but the hate coming our way is just so mean... Look into your heart and try to find forgiveness," she said in a message.

find it in my heart?????? GAGF hope they get the pox and suffer badly
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Post by: Bad Scott on August 16, 2021, 10:32:44 PM
Huge $350k in fines expected over Melbourne lockdown engagement party


anyone  believe it?
Would love to see the proof of payment though. Straight to small businesses would be good

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Post by: Bird on August 16, 2021, 10:36:55 PM
Would love to see the proof of payment though. Straight to small businesses would be good

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this should be interesting

A neighbour of the party hosts told 9News she was "very upset" by her neighbours' actions, saying it made her feel "very shameful and embarrassed".
A video of the party, showing dozens of people packed inside the private residence in Caulfield North, has been circulating on social media.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 17, 2021, 03:39:02 AM
Dictator Palletjack closes  the  borders and dictates " No Jab No entry to QLD " ..

I sure hope so.
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Post by: Foo on August 17, 2021, 03:45:32 AM
Everyone needs to get used to it... one of my conspiracy mates was forced by work to get his shot... he was going to see lawyers and Shit last I heard...

But the earth is flat and the moon landing was staged at a studio, wasn't it?  ??? ;D :angel:

Foo
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 17, 2021, 03:50:40 AM
A guy i know in NSW who is turning out to be a frigin fruit bat.

This is his post from yesterday and he is deadly serious.

**** They have a plan, and its got nothing to do with cases, fake CV deaths or any of the lies they carry on with, its all to do with one world government takeover*****
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Post by: Foo on August 17, 2021, 03:53:02 AM
Yup, you just can't fake that type of stoopid.  :cup:

Foo
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 17, 2021, 03:54:48 AM
Yup, you just can't fake that type of stoopid.  :cup:

Foo

This was my reply to him.

*** I tell ya what Baz, for somebody who i considered to be of reasonable intelligence, you are a one special kind of stupid. ****
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Post by: Foo on August 17, 2021, 03:58:50 AM
This was my reply to him.

*** I tell ya what Baz, for somebody who i considered to be of reasonable intelligence, you are a one special kind of stupid. ****

 :laugh: :laugh:

Foo
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Post by: Brij on August 17, 2021, 06:15:48 AM
A guy i know in NSW who is turning out to be a frigin fruit bat.

This is his post from yesterday and he is deadly serious.

**** They have a plan, and its got nothing to do with cases, fake CV deaths or any of the lies they carry on with, its all to do with one world government takeover*****

But don't you understand?
The fact that most governments can't organise to fix a pot hole in a timely fashion was just a cunning ruse over the last hundred years to lull the population into a false sense that governments couldn't organise a fawk in a brothel........then strike and take over the world
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 17, 2021, 07:05:15 AM
But don't you understand?
The fact that most governments can't organise to fix a pot hole in a timely fashion was just a cunning ruse over the last hundred years to lull the population into a false sense that governments couldn't organise a fawk in a brothel........then strike and take over the world

Exactly
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Post by: Rodt on August 17, 2021, 09:24:38 AM
Everyone needs to get used to it... one of my conspiracy mates was forced by work to get his shot... he was going to see lawyers and Shit last I heard...

Lawyers are circling around this and clamoring to be involved in the first test case so will be an interesting couple of months. There are some pretty clear conditions for employers to implement
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Post by: Bird on August 17, 2021, 09:41:08 AM
Quote from: Brij
But don't you understand?
The fact that most governments can't organise to fix a pot hole in a timely fashion was just a cunning ruse over the last hundred years to lull the population into a false sense that governments couldn't organise a fawk in a brothel........then strike and take over the world

... dont laugh.. thats exactly the thinking of teh people I've mentioned before.

FWIW - Vic in lockdown, there is just as much traffic on Eastlink today as the last month
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Post by: gronk on August 17, 2021, 10:15:30 AM
Lawyers are circling around this and clamoring to be involved in the first test case so will be an interesting couple of months. There are some pretty clear conditions for employers to implement

I can’t see anyone wanting to fight this ?
At present there are certain rules some companies enforce before you can turn up to work……like hospitals and nursing homes, you have to have a current flu shot, so I see this as no different.
It will become the new norm, and the quicker it happens the less time those in opposition will have to complain or mount a defence against it.
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Post by: Bird on August 17, 2021, 11:01:45 AM
Klinger live...
452 in NSW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ilCy6XrmI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ilCy6XrmI)
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on August 17, 2021, 11:05:50 AM
Had scond shot of AZ yesterday, no symptoms this time. Passport is now ready and waiting  >:(

GG
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Post by: GeoffA on August 17, 2021, 11:11:47 AM
We're both booked in for our second AZ next Sunday.

Mark will have his first AZ on the same day.
He's decided it's better to get AZ now than wait who knows how long for Pfizer to become available for his age group.
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Post by: corndog on August 17, 2021, 11:29:55 AM
Klinger live...
452 in NSW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ilCy6XrmI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ilCy6XrmI)

Only 101 in isolation.
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Post by: BaseCamp on August 17, 2021, 11:38:46 AM
2nd AZ jab last Thursday...
Everything aok til yesterday, (MON) ... 5 days later...
Suddenly I began to feel crazy tired and like someone had roofied me ...
(Wasn't sure if I was having a stroke or otherwise fading away.... ).   Very unpleasant experience....
4 hours later, bang - I had my mind back, thank God...

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Post by: McGirr on August 17, 2021, 01:22:24 PM
With all the doom and gloom going on about Covid, if any member is finding it tough and would like a chat  I am more than happy to help out.

Send me a pm with your number and we can catch up on the phone.

Mark 
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Post by: bob65 on August 17, 2021, 03:05:47 PM
I had the first jab today.

Had a bad reaction.

I was driving home and my vision was blurred, could barely see the road.

I stopped on the side of the road and rang the vax clinic and asked if I should ring an ambulance or something, and they said don't do that. Come back to the clinic straight away, you have left your glasses here.
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Post by: Bird on August 17, 2021, 03:20:03 PM
I had the first jab today.

Had a bad reaction.

I was driving home and my vision was blurred, could barely see the road.

I stopped on the side of the road and rang the vax clinic and asked if I should ring an ambulance or something, and they said don't do that. Come back to the clinic straight away, you have left your glasses here.
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
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Post by: NZMarkb on August 17, 2021, 03:24:01 PM
Looks like we’re going into lockdown too😡😡
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Post by: Rodt on August 17, 2021, 03:32:55 PM
I can’t see anyone wanting to fight this ?
At present there are certain rules some companies enforce before you can turn up to work……like hospitals and nursing homes, you have to have a current flu shot, so I see this as no different.
It will become the new norm, and the quicker it happens the less time those in opposition will have to complain or mount a defence against it.

Agree and no arguments from me. I know of two people who are anti-vaxxers the same as others here have indicated and knowing their personalities they will take it as high as they can legally go if they are dismissed because of not having the vaccine.
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Post by: l0ckym on August 17, 2021, 05:30:46 PM
Agree and no arguments from me. I know of two people who are anti-vaxxers the same as others here have indicated and knowing their personalities they will take it as high as they can legally go if they are dismissed because of not having the vaccine.

Each to their own.  Perhaps they can go and relieve the nurses in some of the COVID wards in hospital in Sydney for a couple of nights.
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Post by: alnjan on August 17, 2021, 05:42:03 PM
The Bride and I had our first Pfizar shot yesterday at midday. 

The Bride went first and when I finally get mine, go out to wait the desired observation time the Bride is having reactions.   I am called and asked how I am feeling, "yep no worries" and told I can go.   Said she not feeling well.   Thankfully she said in the waiting area.   Anyhow the nurse took her back into to se the Drs.   Yep having an allergic reaction to the Vaccine.   Tingling and pain to jar and tongue and hot flush.   Given antihistamine and observed for another 30 minutes.   

After a Nana nap she felt okay yesterday evening.   Today she is feeling 'flat' but okay.   See how she goes the next couple of days.
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Post by: plusnq on August 17, 2021, 05:59:48 PM
Each to their own.  Perhaps they can go and relieve the nurses in some of the COVID wards in hospital in Sydney for a couple of nights.

Without PPE because the virus isn’t real
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Post by: Pete79 on August 17, 2021, 06:33:11 PM
The Bride and I had our first Pfizar shot yesterday at midday. 

The Bride went first and when I finally get mine, go out to wait the desired observation time the Bride is having reactions.   I am called and asked how I am feeling, "yep no worries" and told I can go.   Said she not feeling well.   Thankfully she said in the waiting area.   Anyhow the nurse took her back into to se the Drs.   Yep having an allergic reaction to the Vaccine.   Tingling and pain to jar and tongue and hot flush.   Given antihistamine and observed for another 30 minutes.   

After a Nana nap she felt okay yesterday evening.   Today she is feeling 'flat' but okay.   See how she goes the next couple of days.
Wow. Not good.
Hope she doesn’t have any ongoing issues mate.
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Post by: Robbo on August 17, 2021, 06:33:15 PM
Message to the anti-vaxers who continue to be unhelpful.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210817/25d2fe3399befa7c204d33e4bf296722.jpg)

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Post by: outbackogre on August 17, 2021, 08:02:36 PM
Daughter has a double dose of Pfizer, wife a double dose of AZ, and my second AZ jab is due in two days.  Glad to have a (nearly) fully vaxed household.  ;D
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Post by: gronk on August 17, 2021, 09:31:27 PM
Daughter has a double dose of Pfizer, wife a double dose of AZ, and my second AZ jab is due in two days.  Glad to have a (nearly) fully vaxed household.  ;D

I know of a few yanks lining up for their booster shots !!
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Post by: edz on August 17, 2021, 09:53:58 PM
And Israelies ..  the vax protection has faded in 6 months .   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbs4LCgrcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbs4LCgrcY)  and Delta is a different ballgame altogether ..
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Post by: plusnq on August 18, 2021, 04:24:05 AM
This one is a classic by Jimmy Rees

 https://youtu.be/aprBY4Llo6o (https://youtu.be/aprBY4Llo6o)

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Post by: gronk on August 18, 2021, 09:13:45 AM
And Israelies ..  the vax protection has faded in 6 months .   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbs4LCgrcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbs4LCgrcY)  and Delta is a different ballgame altogether ..

From a couple of people I’ve talked to from USA, even though they are having a booster shot ( it’s the same as the other doses ), their antibody levels are still good.
As for a few others that I’ve talked to, their antibody levels are still almost zero, after 2 shots of Pfizer….because they have had chemo previously for cancer, and they are having a booster shot in the hope that more is better ??
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 18, 2021, 12:37:52 PM
Big numbers in NSW today, at 633.

They'll see a 1000 within days i think.... would rather they didn't.
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Post by: Pete79 on August 18, 2021, 01:46:52 PM
Just confirmed the NZ outbreak has been imported from NSW.
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Post by: corndog on August 18, 2021, 01:51:52 PM
Can we hear another "Well done Gladys"?
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 18, 2021, 01:53:11 PM
Just confirmed the NZ outbreak has been imported from NSW.

We'll score one from over the border in the next week or so.... it's a given.
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Post by: gronk on August 18, 2021, 01:54:43 PM
We'll score one from over the border in the next week or so.... it's a given.

We’re very generous…..got plenty to go around !!   :cheers:
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Post by: Bird on August 18, 2021, 02:41:53 PM
Im moving to Tassie...
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Post by: corndog on August 18, 2021, 02:49:07 PM
Have they got a shuttle to the Moon yet???
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Post by: corndog on August 18, 2021, 02:50:23 PM
We’re very generous…..got plenty to go around !!   :cheers:

As the saying goes, "give till it hurts".
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Post by: Marcus73 on August 18, 2021, 05:06:51 PM
Im moving to Tassie...
No thanks, quite happy for you all to stay where you are…… unfortunately I think it’s only a matter of time though


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Post by: Bird on August 18, 2021, 06:34:38 PM
No thanks, quite happy for you all to stay where you are…… unfortunately I think it’s only a matter of time though


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Sadly Marcus, 100% correect

apparently they have approved importing 1600 mail order brides it said in the paper tonight :( that should go down well
FFS stop letting problems in.
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Post by: DandyD on August 18, 2021, 06:50:34 PM
apparently they have approved importing 1600 mail order brides it said in the paper tonight :( that should go down well
FFS stop letting problems in.

Where from?
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Post by: Bird on August 18, 2021, 06:54:14 PM
Quote from: DandyD
Where from?
outside our bubble.
Everytime someone comes through - we suffer. Im ****in over suffering lockdown/curfews and Shit...
YMMV
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Post by: DandyD on August 18, 2021, 07:05:11 PM
I meant the mail order brides.
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Post by: alnjan on August 18, 2021, 07:19:23 PM
Talk about not being able to please all the people some of the time.

Even with the conflicting messages from health experts regarding the effectiveness or not the of lockdowns.   Every one will have their own thoughts on lockdowns and at what level. 

Just watching the News and the reporter pressing the Premier after passing 600 Covid a day, when Level 4 Restrictions are going to implemented, almost demanding why they have not already been implemented.   The News continued how the Premier hasn't increased the Level of Restrictions.   

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Post by: Gazza00 on August 18, 2021, 07:28:53 PM
FFS !!!!!!!!!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-18/detainees-from-sydney-covid-19-hotspot-fly-to-western-australia/100387032 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-18/detainees-from-sydney-covid-19-hotspot-fly-to-western-australia/100387032)

Last thing we need over here   disease ridden reffos
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 18, 2021, 07:51:21 PM
https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/we-were-crying-australians-board-relief-flight-from-bali-but-vow-to-return-20210818-p58jpw.html (https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/we-were-crying-australians-board-relief-flight-from-bali-but-vow-to-return-20210818-p58jpw.html)


Most of these are flyign INTO AU.. for a holiday the pissing off back to Bali... WTF?
https://7news.com.au/politics/travel-exemption-for-fiances-holding-visas-c-3715269 (https://7news.com.au/politics/travel-exemption-for-fiances-holding-visas-c-3715269)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bert56 on August 19, 2021, 10:01:07 PM
To begin with I believe the virus is real and all of us need to tread lightly. If it spreads to far our trips will be shortened or cancelled. Get the jab and honestly hope for the best. I've had 2 AZ 3 months ago, no side effects even with a previous health condition. I'm hoping to see as much as possible of Australia with my remaining time, ???. I only need the right camper now and hopefully a few friends along the way.

Bert
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on August 19, 2021, 10:11:19 PM
I was essential today which meant driving from the North Coast of NSW into south east Qld.   

That meant getting a Qld Border Pass which also included a Negative Covid Test.   

The Question asks, "Have you received a negative COVID-19 test result within 7 days prior to entering Queensland?"

Anyhow get the Border Pass, get the message I am Negative for Covid.  All Good.

Get up to the Border, turn off to the M1 to the Hwy and onto the check point.   

Mask on, and wait to be spoken to.   

Where you going to?   Where you come from?   So your from a Red Zone.   

Apparently Qld says any area outside the Border X Bubble you are in the Red Zone.   

Have you had a Covid Test?  Do you have the result?   Can I see it please? 

Just have to get my phone out.   Yes that's okay.   

Yep that's good.   Now you just have to have the Covid Test done every three days.   

What???


Later had a look through trying to find where it says Covid Tests ever three days.    Spoke to the Boss and they know nothing about three days, even after speaking to Qld the day before.   


I think about it and wonder, just what health data is any of this based on.   I come from an Area that has had no Covid since April 2020.   

From Friday Qld Government is mandating all fright drivers entering Qld to have at least one Covid Vaccine shot.   People are arguing about an employer holding employees to ransom to be vaccinated to keep their job.   Nothing said about Premier Palaceof&%) expecting drivers to get Vaccinated to keep their job.   Is she going to compensate the driver or their family for complications from the Vaccine?     

Further on the news they mention that Premier Palaceof*&%* is looking at further border closures to all freight unless the freight is essential to Queensland.   

I can see the truck drivers just parking up south of the Border blockading the Highway.   See how essential freight is.   

For anyone that thinks your Qld Premier is protecting you and keeping you safe, NO, all she is doing is continuing your pain.    There is NO such thing as COVID ZERO.   Unless you want your State not just lockdown with everyone lockout and the rest of you locked in, never to leave again.   COVID is not going away.   Wake up.   







Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 19, 2021, 10:30:23 PM
Quote from: alnjan
COVID is not going away.   Wake up.
your preaching to the wrong people :( but you are right
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: westvic on August 20, 2021, 07:13:59 AM
Interesting...

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58257863 (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58257863)

"The Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, though initially less effective, offers the same high protection as the Pfizer-BioNTech after four to five months, the largest study of its kind suggests. "

I must be one of the few that actually wanted the AZ shot. Being an old fart I didnt get a choice but would have asked for AZ if there was an option.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on August 20, 2021, 07:56:02 AM
Delta surging through Israel regardless of vaccination level. Healthcare services struggling to deal with the ill.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta

 https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Steffo1 on August 20, 2021, 09:09:24 AM
Delta surging through Israel regardless of vaccination level. Healthcare services struggling to deal with the ill.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta

 https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta)

The vaccine(s) has never been touted as 'Defeating Covid', by the relevant people! It has always been stated that it will reduce the severity of the infection, if contracted. Less severity means less strain on the infected, plus less strain on health systems and staff.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on August 20, 2021, 09:14:58 AM
The vaccine(s) has never been touted as 'Defeating Covid', by the relevant people! It has always been stated that it will reduce the severity of the infection, if contracted. Less severity means less strain on the infected, plus less strain on health systems and staff.

I understand that. Did you read the whole article?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Steffo1 on August 20, 2021, 09:41:38 AM
I understand that. Did you read the whole article?

In truth 'N0'. I'm articled out with the whole Covid thing. Also over the all the C&P!
 Let's face it, no one really knows what's going on 100%!
It appears to me that there are a few people who know a lot about the subject and a lot of people who know very little about it and the latter seem to hold more sway than the former.

I'll just stick to the original purpose of this forum, from now on.  ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 20, 2021, 11:35:41 AM
Sydney lockdown just extended to end of September and permits to go to work introduced ... curfews being implemented ... sound familiar ???

9pm-5am curfew ... only in the hot zone LGAs

4 sydney dudes last night driving around with no excuse outside their LGA ... $17,000 fines ... ouchie
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 20, 2021, 11:51:39 AM
Quote from: Steffo1
In truth 'N0'. I'm articled out with the whole Covid thing. Also over the all the C&P!
 Let's face it, no one really knows what's going on 100%!

It appears to me that there are a few people who know a lot about the subject and a lot of people who know very little about it and the latter seem to hold more sway than the former.

I reckon your not alone with this.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on August 20, 2021, 12:06:16 PM
I reckon your not alone with this.
he's not.

I'm now at the point where I listen to the latest updates, adjust my life (such as it is) to suit the latest rules and watch a hell of a lot of YouTube of people traveling and camping to keep me sane. (much of it either in WA, or before Covid)

these two keep me sane...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 20, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
Quote from: wakychapmans
...  and watch a hell of a lot of YouTube of people traveling and camping to keep me sane.
I reckon Im over seeing other people holidaying too :(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on August 20, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
I reckon Im over seeing other people holidaying too :(

I need something to hang onto...

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on August 20, 2021, 12:28:54 PM
Sydney lockdown just extended to end of September and permits to go to work introduced ... curfews being implemented ... sound familiar ???

9pm-5am curfew ... only in the hot zone LGAs

But not starting until Monday. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 20, 2021, 12:49:03 PM
Quote from: #jonesy
But not starting until Monday.

the weather forecast must be nice for the weekend.... need the beaches to be packed again
(https://images.thewest.com.au/publication/B881969511Z/1629016331228_GBF3E86BC.1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 20, 2021, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: wakychapmans
I need something to hang onto...
Redoing the Malcolm Douglas vids.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on August 20, 2021, 05:12:52 PM
Redoing the Malcolm Douglas vids.

Always good. I watched a lot of you tube in our latest two week quarantine at home ( ended last weekend). Did lots of jobs around the house but not being able to leave meant some things just couldn’t be done.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 20, 2021, 05:22:53 PM
l Bunnings stores across Sydney will will only be open for trade customers with retail customers able to access online and contactless click and collect services from Monday.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 21, 2021, 11:24:31 AM
Victoria’s daily coronavirus numbers are in.

The state has recorded 61 new, locally acquired cases of COVID-19 and none in hotel quarantine.

But the Health Department also says there are an additional local 16 cases which were recorded using rapid PCR tests and will be included in tomorrow’s numbers - an announcement we’ve not seen before.

All Vic in Lockdown...

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-records-61-new-covid-19-cases-as-statewide-lockdown-looms-20210821-p58kou.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-records-61-new-covid-19-cases-as-statewide-lockdown-looms-20210821-p58kou.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 21, 2021, 11:29:11 AM
Great time not to be in NSW.

A record breaking 825 new cases of Covid-19 have been recorded in NSW, and three more people have died.

The 825 additional infections brings the total number of active cases in NSW to 9803.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Snow on August 21, 2021, 11:53:49 AM
Great time not to be in NSW.

A record breaking 825 new cases of Covid-19 have been recorded in NSW, and three more people have died.

The 825 additional infections brings the total number of active cases in NSW to 9803.
I reckon it’s time to not be so focussed on the case numbers but in the vaccination numbers. This is the tangible challenge. The case numbers continue to rise regardless of lockdown, highlighting a minority  community reluctance to put community first. Most Folks will eventually get a bout of covid19, like they do the flu, but the vaccines will keep the vast majority of them out of hospital and this is what we need to focus on. For the folks who refuse or can’t have a vaccine well, unfortunately they will have to be uber careful to try and avoid covid.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: DandyD on August 21, 2021, 12:13:01 PM
For the folks who refuse or can’t have a vaccine well, unfortunately they will have to be uber careful to try and avoid covid.

I know it's a Daily Fail article, but if anyone has doubts about getting the vaccine, perhaps read this...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9913203/ICU-doctor-reveals-90-cent-Covid-patients-ward-vaccine-refuseniks.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9913203/ICU-doctor-reveals-90-cent-Covid-patients-ward-vaccine-refuseniks.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Brij on August 21, 2021, 12:58:07 PM
Victoria’s daily coronavirus numbers are in.

The state has recorded 61 new, locally acquired cases of COVID-19 and none in hotel quarantine.

But the Health Department also says there are an additional local 16 cases which were recorded using rapid PCR tests and will be included in tomorrow’s numbers - an announcement we’ve not seen before.

All Vic in Lockdown...

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-records-61-new-covid-19-cases-as-statewide-lockdown-looms-20210821-p58kou.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-records-61-new-covid-19-cases-as-statewide-lockdown-looms-20210821-p58kou.html)

Lockdown gearing up for regional Vic again, but try to get a covid test!

What a battle. You would think it would be easy in this day and age.
Wednesday I had a bit of a sniffle, which I usually get just as spring starts due to pretty bad hay fever. Worked from home on Thursday just in case. Started to get a tickle in throat on Thursday, which is not unusual when I'm all blocked up with hay fever. Thought I would try to get a covid test just in case. Check on internet Thursday night and a local spot does walk ins (with appointment). Plenty available on Friday. Now worries. Open up website to book on Friday. No times available. Try to call them, about 10ish, but no good. Recorded message to say call back during business hours ???
Try a couple more times, but still no good.
Try the local pathology place, but website says need doctors referral. So call clinic. A doctor will call me back for a phone consultation. A few hours later get the doctor's call. Blah blah blah......he will send pathology request to testing clinic and testing clinic will contact me.
3pm I am on phone for work and miss an in coming call. No message left. Try to call the number but just get message about it not accessible for incoming calls or something.
OK. They will ring back. I stay off phone so I don't miss their call again. Just before 5pm I decide to see if their website says anything about opening hours. Monday to Friday 9am to 3:30pm. Well there goes that idea of getting tested today!
Look up the website for the clinic that does the walkin's as they still had heaps of openings for Saturday.
Nup. All bookings for Saturday have now dissappeared.

So basically the only avenue for me to get tested outside of banking hours is to drive the 120km to the metro region.

First world problems, but we are in a first world country last I recall.

Pretty sure I don't have Covid. Double vaxed and haven't been anywhere to catch it. Just a case of old fashioned man flu.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on August 21, 2021, 01:28:44 PM
Great time not to be in NSW.

A record breaking 825 new cases of Covid-19 have been recorded in NSW, and three more people have died.

The 825 additional infections brings the total number of active cases in NSW to 9803.

the soon it goes through the State the better, we can get on with out lives.   You can stay in your self imposed lock in. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 21, 2021, 01:32:09 PM
Quote from: Brij
Lockdown gearing up for regional Vic again, but try to get a covid test.
My son made a call yesterday adn got done 2 hours later (astra)... that shows how much of a lottery it is - but shouldnt be.

There were 6 slots free in the place he went to in Frankston
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Raym on August 21, 2021, 02:03:30 PM
Good to see the system works.

GP advises me, despite being an old fart, to get Pfizer due to a disorder that has caused me to have a couple of DVTs.

He told me where to book in. Tried that on the health system. Sorry mate we will let you know when you can make an appointment some time in October.

Mate turns up & says local practice is doing them. He just walked in an got an appointment for Pfizer.

So I ducked down this morning & I had an appointment booked, within 5 minutes, for Pfizer no questions asked.

Go figure.

Wednesday had first jab & booked for second.

Just got an email from health saying lucky you, you can now book for vaccine.

I am wondering how they collect the data on numbers of those vaccinated.

Maybe they just record numbers of vaccines used.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 21, 2021, 02:10:08 PM
DeadShits in Sydney/Melb protesting.. Instead of fining them - vax them!]Instead of fining them - vax them!


https://www.theage.com.au/national/australia-covid-live-updates-heavy-police-presence-as-anti-lockdown-protest-planned-to-go-ahead-in-sydney-nsw-cases-continue-to-rise-amid-harsher-restrictions-20210820-p58km4.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/australia-covid-live-updates-heavy-police-presence-as-anti-lockdown-protest-planned-to-go-ahead-in-sydney-nsw-cases-continue-to-rise-amid-harsher-restrictions-20210820-p58km4.html).
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 21, 2021, 02:18:46 PM
rubber bullets might move a few on.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 21, 2021, 02:45:16 PM
rubber bullets might move a few on.
spray em with red cordial....
or cyanide.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Gazza00 on August 21, 2021, 03:31:24 PM
  " spray em with red cordial.... "   Fuk that  ... they need to use this stuff in watercannons

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_(weapon) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_(weapon))
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on August 21, 2021, 03:49:22 PM
the soon it goes through the State the better, we can get on with out lives.   You can stay in your self imposed lock in.
It's still going through Europe USA ... and they still aren't getting on with their lives. 
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Post by: edz on August 21, 2021, 03:51:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9knToyK-wUs&t=7s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9knToyK-wUs&t=7s)    that'l  fookem ...   ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on August 21, 2021, 05:46:12 PM
Always have a few of these - Hornet Spray -
from Bunnings.
https://youtu.be/p7QqfuN2jVA
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bmwfreak on August 21, 2021, 06:06:56 PM
A couple of interesting Youtube flicks by JC.

Part 1
 https://youtu.be/3Ga3Lgjvu0c (https://youtu.be/3Ga3Lgjvu0c)

Part 2
 https://youtu.be/hWw0P1XcX4E (https://youtu.be/hWw0P1XcX4E)

Can’t argue with his logic, or sentiments🙂
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on August 21, 2021, 07:31:44 PM
It's still going through Europe USA ... and they still aren't getting on with their lives.

In the US it largely depends which State you are in.   Same with Europe. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on August 22, 2021, 06:15:36 AM
As long as we have those brain dead morons protesting out there and endangering the majority of the population who are doing the right thing, then we are never going to get on top of this covid virus.

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Post by: Robbo on August 22, 2021, 06:16:31 AM
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Post by: plusnq on August 22, 2021, 06:18:20 AM
A glimmer of hope

 https://youtu.be/20DxL8KhvgA (https://youtu.be/20DxL8KhvgA)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 22, 2021, 06:28:50 AM
As long as we have those brain dead morons protesting out there and endangering the majority of the population who are doing the right thing, then we are never going to get on top of this covid virus.

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Just a pack of brain dead twats in my opinion.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on August 22, 2021, 06:29:44 AM
A glimmer of hope

 https://youtu.be/20DxL8KhvgA (https://youtu.be/20DxL8KhvgA)
A very interesting explanation. Vacination may not be the ultimate answer but it is the best and only option at this point.

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Post by: bmwfreak on August 22, 2021, 10:00:11 AM
A glimmer of hope

 https://youtu.be/20DxL8KhvgA (https://youtu.be/20DxL8KhvgA)
Worth noting the fully vaccination figures (49%) for Mississippi! They are higher than anywhere in Australia.

So the only(?) explanation for AU not having the same level of infection/death, IMO is due to local compliance, by the majority, to health department ‘suggestions’ and limiting movement of the population, which Mississippi did not do.
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Post by: plusnq on August 22, 2021, 10:08:45 AM
Also shows 49% isn’t enough to limit hospital admissions. My feeling is we will be using measures such as masking, limiting movement and social contact,  along with  local lockdowns  for a while, even after we get to 80% vaccinated. It’s not going away soon and certainly not if we can’t  achieve an appropriate level of vaccinations.
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Post by: jclures on August 22, 2021, 10:17:17 AM
I was reading some where that it should be 75% of the total population not just the adult population before we will get the things back to some normality.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 22, 2021, 11:21:04 AM
Quote from: jclures
I was reading some where that it should be 75% of the total population not just the adult population before we will get the things back to some normality.
but is that realistic? had a bloke tell me last night that he'll never be vax'ed... as
'I'm privvy to some info, everyone who has been vax'ed will be dead by 2023..."

someone turned the light out at the end of the tunnel
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Post by: GeoffA on August 22, 2021, 11:42:51 AM
....
'I'm privvy to some info, everyone who has been vax'ed will be dead by 2023..."

and....

"The Pacific islands will be under water by 2000...."

"It will never rain again...."
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on August 22, 2021, 11:48:00 AM
but is that realistic? had a bloke tell me last night that he'll never be vax'ed... as
'I'm privvy to some info, everyone who has been vax'ed will be dead by 2023..."

someone turned the light out at the end of the tunnel

Just his personal pilot light , I think.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 22, 2021, 11:49:37 AM
Quote from: GeoffA
and....

"The Pacific islands will be under water by 2000...."

"It will never rain again...."
exactly.. Atlantis, it blows ya mind that people believe this sort of Shit.


FWIW.. Son had his AZ Friday - was doing the mega hot/colds yesterday - slept all day  and still hasnt risen yet today..
Starts a 6mth contract with a BIG opportunity tomorrow...
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Post by: Robbo on August 22, 2021, 11:56:09 AM
Does he also belong to the Flat Earth Brigade too Bruce?

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Post by: Bird on August 22, 2021, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: Robbo
Does he also belong to the Flat Earth Brigade too Bruce?
The world was against Trump.... everything he did was brilliant and the world should follow him
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Post by: Robbo on August 22, 2021, 12:00:20 PM
There's no doubt about it, this virus has sure brought a lot of nutters and naysayers out of the woodwork. Best to just let natural selection to deal with them as i'm sure it will.

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Post by: GeoffA on August 22, 2021, 12:09:12 PM
exactly.. Atlantis, it blows ya mind that people believe this sort of Shit....

They WANT to believe it. Everyone loves a good disaster...

....
FWIW.. Son had his AZ Friday - was doing the mega hot/colds yesterday - slept all day  and still hasnt risen yet today..
Starts a 6mth contract with a BIG opportunity tomorrow...

Hope he bounces back real soon.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on August 22, 2021, 12:22:57 PM
They WANT to believe it. Everyone loves a good disaster...

Hope he bounces back real soon.

 :cheers:
Just went n checked on him, hes still ****ed. FML.
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Post by: bmwfreak on August 22, 2021, 01:13:11 PM
A snippet of how the ‘other half’ see Covid and vaccines.

 https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcairnsnews.org%2F2021%2F08%2F18%2Fbest-video-yet-of-the-australian-covid-scam-get-it-out-urgently%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0kJ0WVXW1raSW9I6sQ5PSkpu-02c3rbkiZKecT94FycNWumdjXKknOiiU&h=AT0P-PbmODVWdhVsp07a21BD7_KQ9WyhkD1Ofh678VaCU6i3qKMbqDLWWSytKFqDt8Gb-uumDg_9jhYVjGk9_CSr1MbGHJR2NarGWwPBGjqN0o5ZXv_RW8Bf_Q2Ai9SpF0TAQJ21-4CQL9U (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcairnsnews.org%2F2021%2F08%2F18%2Fbest-video-yet-of-the-australian-covid-scam-get-it-out-urgently%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0kJ0WVXW1raSW9I6sQ5PSkpu-02c3rbkiZKecT94FycNWumdjXKknOiiU&h=AT0P-PbmODVWdhVsp07a21BD7_KQ9WyhkD1Ofh678VaCU6i3qKMbqDLWWSytKFqDt8Gb-uumDg_9jhYVjGk9_CSr1MbGHJR2NarGWwPBGjqN0o5ZXv_RW8Bf_Q2Ai9SpF0TAQJ21-4CQL9U)

I watched the video, then read the comments posted. I am amazed ??? ???
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Post by: Bird on August 22, 2021, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: bmwfreak
I watched the video, then read the comments posted. I am amazed ??? ???
is the air and water not normal up there ???
https://cairnsnews.org/ (https://cairnsnews.org/)
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Post by: alnjan on August 22, 2021, 02:07:14 PM
A snippet of how the ‘other half’ see Covid and vaccines.

 https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcairnsnews.org%2F2021%2F08%2F18%2Fbest-video-yet-of-the-australian-covid-scam-get-it-out-urgently%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0kJ0WVXW1raSW9I6sQ5PSkpu-02c3rbkiZKecT94FycNWumdjXKknOiiU&h=AT0P-PbmODVWdhVsp07a21BD7_KQ9WyhkD1Ofh678VaCU6i3qKMbqDLWWSytKFqDt8Gb-uumDg_9jhYVjGk9_CSr1MbGHJR2NarGWwPBGjqN0o5ZXv_RW8Bf_Q2Ai9SpF0TAQJ21-4CQL9U (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcairnsnews.org%2F2021%2F08%2F18%2Fbest-video-yet-of-the-australian-covid-scam-get-it-out-urgently%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0kJ0WVXW1raSW9I6sQ5PSkpu-02c3rbkiZKecT94FycNWumdjXKknOiiU&h=AT0P-PbmODVWdhVsp07a21BD7_KQ9WyhkD1Ofh678VaCU6i3qKMbqDLWWSytKFqDt8Gb-uumDg_9jhYVjGk9_CSr1MbGHJR2NarGWwPBGjqN0o5ZXv_RW8Bf_Q2Ai9SpF0TAQJ21-4CQL9U)

I watched the video, then read the comments posted. I am amazed ??? ???

Was listening to an item on the radio the other day while driving and the subject of the dark side of the covid/coronavirus conspiracy theories and the dark deep rabbit hole many people are falling into
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Post by: bmwfreak on August 22, 2021, 03:15:03 PM
is the air and water not normal up there ???
https://cairnsnews.org/ (https://cairnsnews.org/)
Anywhere from Rockhampton north is considered, by many (Queensland residents included), is inhabited by people who are a tad troppo😜. The further north you get apparently, the more severe the affliction🤪
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Post by: corndog on August 22, 2021, 05:13:18 PM
I officially declare that Covid Delta strain is out off control in the state of NSW.  Over 800 odd cases and through the state.Gladys and her chums better hope that the vaccination does start to pull up infections. They are relying heavily on it doing it. State is going to have harder restrictions. I though she said they have the harshest in the country. Seems to be they have the harshest every time it has to get harder. Good luck NSW. Victoria still trying to leave you on top of the list.
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Post by: Bird on August 22, 2021, 05:24:27 PM
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/238777236_4231320480326672_1107693474521788587_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=2DOefxEndhsAX_sqBKE&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=45ebc2b460cc8f26d97161a6db4f6d3d&oe=6127884F)
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Post by: corndog on August 22, 2021, 05:45:57 PM
I'll put my lifes savings on the sour face one.
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Post by: #jonesy on August 22, 2021, 06:36:37 PM
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/238777236_4231320480326672_1107693474521788587_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=2DOefxEndhsAX_sqBKE&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=45ebc2b460cc8f26d97161a6db4f6d3d&oe=6127884F)
One has 1 chance per week to improve their score.....
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Post by: corndog on August 22, 2021, 08:24:30 PM
Yes but one is certainly not kicking goals
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Post by: Bird on August 23, 2021, 09:45:10 AM
Merry Lockmas.

Victoria has recorded 71 new local coronavirus cases as restrictions tighten for childcare and more exposure sites are identified. There are now more than 600.
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Post by: edz on August 23, 2021, 09:08:09 PM
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/238777236_4231320480326672_1107693474521788587_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=2DOefxEndhsAX_sqBKE&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=45ebc2b460cc8f26d97161a6db4f6d3d&oe=6127884F)

Plus the 71 from today  in Vic ..Hope you didnt have much in the way of lifes savings CornyDog ..  ;D
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Post by: alnjan on August 23, 2021, 11:22:08 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/23/scott-morrison-tells-states-they-need-to-honour-covid-deal-with-all-australians-to-reopen?fbclid=IwAR04BaiBzkixLJE_QRrh4UiGVOjve5RNZKWXVqr1HZb_mzMTuwV3ZUEnpSo (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/23/scott-morrison-tells-states-they-need-to-honour-covid-deal-with-all-australians-to-reopen?fbclid=IwAR04BaiBzkixLJE_QRrh4UiGVOjve5RNZKWXVqr1HZb_mzMTuwV3ZUEnpSo)

"The prime minister, Scott Morrison, has challenged the states over their resistance to opening up the country once 70% of the adult population is vaccinated, saying Australia can’t “stay in the cave forever”.

Agree whole heartedly.   With Delta Variant there is no Covid Zero.   We have to live with it to get back to where we once were.   
We have two options.   

1/ Get Vaccinated and hope you get a minor dose of Covid that doesn't effect you too much and there is no long term side effects of the Vaccine.

2/ Don't get Vaccinated and hope you survive Covid and there is no long term side effects of Covid.   

The only option you have to be Covid Free is to live in your cave with no one allowed in and you never leave your cave.   

We need to be Australia, not the Un-United States of Australia.
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Post by: jclures on August 24, 2021, 06:29:02 AM
We have the Prime Minister for NSW and the NSW Premier who thinks she is the gold standard lecturing everyone else on how to stuff things up.
Well, that is what it looks like to me on the news last night.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 24, 2021, 06:42:16 AM
We have the Prime Minister for NSW and the NSW Premier who thinks she is the gold standard lecturing everyone else on how to stuff things up.
Well, that is what it looks like to me on the news last night.

Yep, same here.

She's got NSW in a world of hurt, but was spruiking the other day how they would lead the way on how to handle covid.
Or words to that effect, can't recall exact wording.
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Post by: Pete79 on August 24, 2021, 07:22:52 AM
We have the Prime Minister for NSW and the NSW Premier who thinks she is the gold standard lecturing everyone else on how to stuff things up.
Well, that is what it looks like to me on the news last night.
Yep. That’s how it is alright.

I liked her line this morning about no state or country in the world has COVID zero.
And she’s right.

Especially after she made such a royal stuff up in the important state, then let her mess spread over the ditch and destroyed the record run of zero cases they’d been enjoying over there…. ::)
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Post by: Rodt on August 24, 2021, 07:56:32 AM
Any chance that this thread can get back to being about Covid?

The number of posts that are only focused on what politicians are saying is amazing. I am pretty sure that the politicians weren't at the protests or have been leaving their lockdown areas for parties or who have been lying on their declarations to get on a plane / across the borders etc.

Obviously mistakes have been made (Gladys admitted that on Current Affair last night) by everyone but did anyone expect anything else due to the evolving nature of this pandemic including how the Delta variation changed the goal posts. Pretty sure that everyone here has made mistakes in their lives also

We are all responsible to get out of this mess 
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Post by: Troopy_03 on August 24, 2021, 08:06:02 AM
Any chance that this thread can get back to being about Covid?

The number of posts that are only focused on what politicians are saying is amazing. I am pretty sure that the politicians weren't at the protests or have been leaving their lockdown areas for parties or who have been lying on their declarations to get on a plane / across the borders etc.

Obviously mistakes have been made (Gladys admitted that on Current Affair last night) by everyone but did anyone expect anything else due to the evolving nature of this pandemic including how the Delta variation changed the goal posts. Pretty sure that everyone here has made mistakes in their lives also

We are all responsible to get out of this mess

Yes, armchair experts passing judgement on matters they have no expertise in doesn't benefit anyone.

get back to the subject

How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
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Post by: edz on August 24, 2021, 09:11:35 AM
Interesting ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUMhItD3TkY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUMhItD3TkY)   
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Post by: plusnq on August 24, 2021, 09:23:33 AM
Interesting ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUMhItD3TkY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUMhItD3TkY)

Yes. That’s our light at the end of the tunnel. It’s the transition phase from now to then the that’s concerning. Here in QLD we have started doing worksite vaccinations in distribution centres and abattoirs. It suggests that the Government  is concerned regarding supply chain security.
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Post by: Snow on August 24, 2021, 05:57:09 PM
Yes, armchair experts passing judgement on matters they have no expertise in doesn't benefit anyone.

get back to the subject

How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.


Thanks Troopy, you beat me to it. Do try to keep the thread on track. Anyone who thinks they can live covid free is living under a rock. Get vaccinated and get back to living again.
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Post by: Pottsy on August 24, 2021, 06:21:15 PM
2nd jab for myself and the wife today, AZ, super important for us now as the wife was diagnosed with a rare blood cancer last week, Polycythemia Vera. Treatment starts Friday with a venesection (blood letting), bone marrow biopsy the week after and another venesection. Hopefully by mid September we will have an action plan in place to slow this thing, sadly it’s incurable and combined with Parkinson’s life just got a little tougher. As she said, let the fight begin, we might not win but we bloody it’s nose!
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Post by: Bird on August 24, 2021, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: Pottsy
as the wife was diagnosed with a rare blood cancer last week, Polycythemia Vera. Treatment starts Friday with a venesection (blood letting), bone marrow biopsy the week after and another venesection. Hopefully by mid September we will have an action plan in place to slow this thing, sadly it’s incurable and combined with Parkinson’s life just got a little tougher.
Farkles dude.. thats harsh :(
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Post by: plusnq on August 24, 2021, 06:57:37 PM
2nd jab for myself and the wife today, AZ, super important for us now as the wife was diagnosed with a rare blood cancer last week, Polycythemia Vera. Treatment starts Friday with a venesection (blood letting), bone marrow biopsy the week after and another venesection. Hopefully by mid September we will have an action plan in place to slow this thing, sadly it’s incurable and combined with Parkinson’s life just got a little tougher. As she said, let the fight begin, we might not win but we bloody it’s nose!

Sorry that you and your wife are facing all this Pottsy.
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Post by: Pottsy on August 24, 2021, 07:04:12 PM
Thanks guys, we will work through it, we try to remain positive and we will do everything we can to enjoy our life whilst we can. It just brings home that it’s important to take note of what is going on with your body.
The symptoms for this disease are odd with some people showing no symptoms, some showing more than one. So if you have any of these follow it up.
Itchiness and red skin after having a hot shower or bath.
Welts on the body which are warm and tender to the touch
Prolonged and easy bruising
Persistent infections
Any blurred vision.
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Post by: alnjan on August 24, 2021, 07:05:27 PM
2nd jab for myself and the wife today, AZ, super important for us now as the wife was diagnosed with a rare blood cancer last week, Polycythemia Vera. Treatment starts Friday with a venesection (blood letting), bone marrow biopsy the week after and another venesection. Hopefully by mid September we will have an action plan in place to slow this thing, sadly it’s incurable and combined with Parkinson’s life just got a little tougher. As she said, let the fight begin, we might not win but we bloody it’s nose!

Not the sort of thing you want, all the best and hope the Drs can get a plan for you both
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Post by: Jillsy on August 24, 2021, 10:30:38 PM
Thanks guys, we will work through it, we try to remain positive and we will do everything we can to enjoy our life whilst we can. It just brings home that it’s important to take note of what is going on with your body.
The symptoms for this disease are odd with some people showing no symptoms, some showing more than one. So if you have any of these follow it up.
Itchiness and red skin after having a hot shower or bath.
Welts on the body which are warm and tender to the touch
Prolonged and easy bruising
Persistent infections
Any blurred vision.

Thinking of you Pottsy - they certainly are varied symptoms!
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Post by: prodigyrf on August 24, 2021, 11:19:02 PM
I see some are not coping with Emergency Powers very well and want to 'immigrate overseas'
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/woman-towing-caravan-speeds-through-wa-border-checkpoint-rams-police-car/ar-AANESyf

Stick her on a boat-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/majority-of-crew-on-fremantle-cargo-ship-test-positive-to-covid-19/ar-AANFUcG
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Post by: gronk on August 24, 2021, 11:34:54 PM
Anyone who thinks they can live covid free is living under a rock. Get vaccinated and get back to living again.

I’m going to try !!  Because I can’t get vaccinated yet, I’ve got no choice . Apart from the one new case today, lockdown is working OK for me. When they open the floodgates is when it makes it hard…..there will be cases loose in the community and it’ll become a lottery for me.

But if we can go camping, it’ll be somewhere nice and quiet…and safe…..away from people !!
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Post by: Bird on August 25, 2021, 10:12:26 AM
I see some are not coping with Emergency Powers very well and want to 'immigrate overseas'
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/woman-towing-caravan-speeds-through-wa-border-checkpoint-rams-police-car/ar-AANESyf
The footage of the chase.
https://m.facebook.com/abcperth/videos/901380100814271/?refsrc=deprecated&_rdr (https://m.facebook.com/abcperth/videos/901380100814271/?refsrc=deprecated&_rdr)
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Post by: Gazza00 on August 25, 2021, 11:53:47 AM
  Lucky she had the safety chains attached   ;D
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Post by: Pete79 on August 26, 2021, 01:07:39 PM
Well it looks like I was wrong (again).

I stated earlier in this thread that the Toowoomba quarantine center would never get approved.
I was wrong.

The state government has side stepped the federal government roadblock and done a deal directly with the land owner to make it happen.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/covd-qld-wellcamp-toowoomba-regional-quarantine-facility/100403692 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/covd-qld-wellcamp-toowoomba-regional-quarantine-facility/100403692)

Can’t wait for Queensland to have potentially infected arrivals spend their quarantine time out of our major cities and in dedicated, specifically built facilities.

I also can’t wait to see Jonesy spitting and frothing over his favorite family getting such a big government contract…. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 26, 2021, 01:30:34 PM
Alan jones and Wagners..... that top Shit when they won that battle.
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Post by: edz on August 26, 2021, 01:40:13 PM
Can almost hear the excuses now for when the first bungle happens and a case or someone escapes the new Quarantine center and gets into the community ..  ;D ;D...
Still reckon RAAF base Scherger on Cape York  is a better place for it .. Along with RAAF base Curtin in the Kimberley and the Howard Springs facillity for all returnies to Australia  ..
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Post by: Pete79 on August 26, 2021, 03:14:18 PM
Can almost hear the excuses now for when the first bungle happens and a case or someone escapes the new Quarantine center and gets into the community ..  ;D ;D...
Still reckon RAAF base Scherger on Cape York  is a better place for it .. Along with RAAF base Curtin in the Kimberley and the Howard Springs facillity for all returnies to Australia  ..
Yes, that will be from the other one the feds are building in the old army barracks right next to the Brissy airport. ;)

This is the site of Scotty’s quarantine center in Brisbane. Gold standard for sure… ;D

(https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/1bd27de413a7aa793f37b5ee235ffc66?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=1000&cropW=1500&xPos=0&yPos=12&width=862&height=575)

Apparently they’re one step ahead of you with this one Edz.
As recommended in the preliminary report, they’re working on CCTV analytics software to provide discrete detection of potential escapes.

Another issue is noise, particularly from flights taking off and landing at Brisbane Airport, with monitors registering some at 89 decibels or more.

After that they just need to figure out how to hide the PFAS contaminated soil on the site.

Once all of that is sorted, they’re due to start construction in December and opening in March next year.
Considering how perfect this site sounds, I really can’t see any possible delays in building this one…. ::) ;)
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Post by: plusnq on August 26, 2021, 04:04:24 PM
Yes Pete. I couldn’t understand them wanting to use that site other than being cheap as the Federal Government already owns the land. Too many negatives, which is why I suspect the State Government wasn’t  very keen.
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Post by: Bird on August 26, 2021, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: GeoffA
Hope he bounces back real soon.
Monday he had to call in sick. Just couldnt get out of bed hot/colds/spinning etc

Tuesday was still down, has large lump on his arm where he got the shot...
went to work tuesday and today is fine.
I think it will be hard to talk him into the second jab.. cant blame him really..



I had my second fizzer shot today... havent died yet.
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Post by: D4D on August 26, 2021, 08:03:57 PM
I had my second fizzer shot today... haven't died yet.
x2
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Post by: MDS69 on August 26, 2021, 08:29:59 PM
x2
X3
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Post by: Spada on August 27, 2021, 06:00:39 AM
they’re working on CCTV analytics software to provide discrete detection of potential escapes.

Shouldn't be needed, I recon the smell from Luggage Point will keep them all indoors  >:D
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 31, 2021, 04:16:59 AM
We both got our second jab yesterday morning at 10:30.  :cup:

Asked them about the 1st jab reaction regarding if our immune system is good, better or bad.
Didn't really get a reply one way or the other.  ???

Astrid, no worries or side effects, well, not until i crashed out.

I was going great until around 3:30 or so, when i started to get pretty tired.
Slightly watery eyes, slight sniffles, just felt like i had a cold coming on.
Took 2 Panadol's, crashed out at 7pm and slept for 9 hours. (i did get up to pee twice)

I had some really whacked out dreams and feel 100% ready to take on the world now.

So, be it good, bad or somewhere in between, we're both fully vaccinated now.  :angel:
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Post by: Steffo1 on August 31, 2021, 08:01:50 AM


Asked them about the 1st jab reaction regarding if our immune system is good, better or bad.
Didn't really get a reply one way or the other.  ???

I was going to ask my 'Injector' which dose held the Nanochip, or if there were Nanochips in both doses, but couldn't bring myself to do it.
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Post by: D4D on August 31, 2021, 08:22:41 AM
I was going to ask my 'Injector' which dose held the Nanochip, or if there were Nanochips in both doses, but couldn't bring myself to do it.

After the 15 minute waiting time when I was asked how I was feeling I was tempted to say 'wow my 5G reception is fantastic now' :)
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Post by: MDS69 on August 31, 2021, 03:54:32 PM
After the 15 minute waiting time when I was asked how I was feeling I was tempted to say 'wow my 5G reception is fantastic now' :)

That would have been hilarious 🤣.
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Post by: plusnq on August 31, 2021, 05:25:22 PM
My brother sent me this when he got his vaccination

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Post by: corndog on August 31, 2021, 08:53:04 PM
Things are starting to circulate about another new strain of the virus that has been identified.  Just what we need.
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Post by: bmwfreak on September 01, 2021, 08:13:29 AM
Things are starting to circulate about another new strain of the virus that has been identified.  Just what we need.
Something like this report maybe?

https://lens.monash.edu/@coronavirus-articles/2021/07/23/1383547/covid-variants-lambda-and-delta-plus-all-you-need-to-know-about-the-emerging-strains (https://lens.monash.edu/@coronavirus-articles/2021/07/23/1383547/covid-variants-lambda-and-delta-plus-all-you-need-to-know-about-the-emerging-strains)
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Post by: Bird on September 01, 2021, 10:05:55 AM
We're catching up to Sydney :D
120 today...
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Post by: gronk on September 01, 2021, 10:23:34 AM
We're catching up to Sydney :D
120 today...

So hard to contain. People bagged our premier, but yours locked down quick and still look at it go..
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Post by: bmwfreak on September 01, 2021, 10:25:28 AM
Just back from getting second AZ jab. Had no ill effects from first, so, fingers crossed, same result from this one. :D
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Post by: Bird on September 01, 2021, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: gronk
So hard to contain. People bagged our premier, but yours locked down quick and still look at it go..

I think its time to get the Chinese to come in and start building some of their 10 day Hospitals.... Would take 10 years to get approval and go thru hoops in this country

Hospital beds is going to be the issue not just covid people but other Shit. Time to start planning.... not when its been and gone.
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Post by: plusnq on September 01, 2021, 11:18:27 AM
I think its time to get the Chinese to come in and start building some of their 10 day Hospitals.... Would take 10 years to get approval and go thru hoops in this country

Hospital beds is going to be the issue not just covid people but other Shit. Time to start planning.... not when its been and gone.

While I don't disagree with you, a lot of planning has gone into beds, ventilators etc. The overseas experience is that staff fatigue, staff numbers and consumables are going to be a big problem. NSW Health is already struggling  according to reports.

Oxygen supply, anaesthetists, intensivists, anaesthetic nurses, COVID ward trained nursing staff etc etc are all going to be in short supply once they open the nation up to COVID. When you are short of staff or oxygen , people die who otherwise would have gone home in a few days. Lots of surgeries will be cancelled or unavailable. Thats just part of the medical issues.They are asking people to conserve water in Florida as they purify their water with oxygen and the hospitals are running low on supplies. Look at Italy, India, southern states of USA for examples.

There is a massive flow on effect with things like supply and distribution chains etc. I am sure that is why the QLD government has started critical workplace vaccination centres in these places to try to manage/minimise the effects. My feelings are that it will be a mess until after the first wave has passed through the population. My family are all vaccinated excepting my 12 year old who is not eligible yet. I have prepared for what I think the challenges may be and can only hope that the evolving situation will be as benign as the Governments are telling us.
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Post by: edz on September 01, 2021, 11:43:09 AM
We're catching up to Sydney :D
120 today...

So the count is ballooning like in locked down  Afgladystan ...The current formular for treatment dosnt look like its working too well ....
Soooo how about for Shits n Giggles try this stuff .. What have they got to loose other than be a bit embarassed if it works and decreases the figures ....God forbid it would even be cheaper .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYv30g7TKVM&t=396s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYv30g7TKVM&t=396s) .. But that wont fit with the Narrative would it . Surely if you genuinely wanted to fix something bad enough, you would try anything .
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Post by: DandyD on September 01, 2021, 03:51:52 PM
While I don't disagree with you, a lot of planning has gone into beds, ventilators etc. The overseas experience is that staff fatigue, staff numbers and consumables are going to be a big problem. NSW Health is already struggling  according to reports.

Yes. We had massive hospitals built in weeks. The army did it.

However, finding sufficient numbers of qualified staff to man them was a problem never solved. Luckily, they weren’t needed and were quietly dismantled months ago.
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Post by: Bird on September 01, 2021, 04:24:43 PM
Yes. We had massive hospitals built in weeks. The army did it.

Theres no way on earth that could happen in Australia, even if it was a shipping container on the dirt.
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Post by: Kangaron on September 01, 2021, 05:17:20 PM
Just bring in some temp accomodation.
This will end well.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/wilcannia-covid-outbreak-30-motorhomes-accommodation-supply/100424518 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/wilcannia-covid-outbreak-30-motorhomes-accommodation-supply/100424518)
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Post by: #jonesy on September 01, 2021, 05:21:34 PM
So hard to contain. People bagged our premier, but yours locked down quick and still look at it go..
I think Vic  numbers are spiking for a number of reasons, not just the new strain.
Some People have had enough.
The constant threat of it coming south over the Murray
The mixed message with the constant talk of easing restrictions and living with it, yet we haven't got the numbers under control.
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Post by: plusnq on September 01, 2021, 05:22:39 PM
Im sure the Army can do it. We use to have a Field Hospital complete with Surgical theatres, Medical Imaging and Pathology that was ready in 24 hours from arrival on site in the 1980’s
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Post by: DandyD on September 01, 2021, 07:08:17 PM
Theres no way on earth that could happen in Australia, even if it was a shipping container on the dirt.

It could if you did it the same as it was done here. Use buildings that already exist. Exhibition halls, for example.

That way you get around the planning issues. Links to the transport network are usually excellent too.

More info here…

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2021/04/nhs-nightingale-hospitals-worth-money (https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2021/04/nhs-nightingale-hospitals-worth-money)
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Post by: Bird on September 01, 2021, 07:08:48 PM
I think Vic  numbers are spiking for a number of reasons, not just the new strain.
Some People have had enough.
The constant threat of it coming south over the Murray
The mixed message with the constant talk of easing restrictions and living with it, yet we haven't got the numbers under control.
and when you have winners like this...
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/freedom-activist-stays-in-custody-after-refusing-to-sign-bail-conditions-20210901-p58nvb.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/freedom-activist-stays-in-custody-after-refusing-to-sign-bail-conditions-20210901-p58nvb.html)
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Post by: corndog on September 01, 2021, 07:44:06 PM
Does this sound about right

https://youtu.be/wLTGXblgUoc
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Post by: plusnq on September 01, 2021, 07:48:33 PM
Does this sound about right

https://youtu.be/wLTGXblgUoc (https://youtu.be/wLTGXblgUoc)


 :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:

Pretty funny. I wonder how long that will stay up?
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Post by: Pete79 on September 01, 2021, 08:39:22 PM
Gold!!!!
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Post by: Bird on September 01, 2021, 09:04:54 PM
Does this sound about right

https://youtu.be/wLTGXblgUoc (https://youtu.be/wLTGXblgUoc)
"  Can I just say, if I go missing, please know that it was probably Gladys.. "  :cup:
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Post by: alnjan on September 01, 2021, 10:02:03 PM
We're catching up to Sydney :D
120 today...


Means we will be out of all this lock down border closures quicker and get back to normal life
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Post by: Bird on September 01, 2021, 10:20:48 PM
Quote from: alnjan
Means we will be out of all this lock down border closures quicker and get back to normal life
yea I'm tippin by christmas...










 next year
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Post by: alnjan on September 01, 2021, 10:24:01 PM
yea I'm tippin by christmas...










 next year

On Dan's form that might be the case
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Post by: Bird on September 01, 2021, 10:31:29 PM
On Dan's form that might be the case
:'( :'(

Had our 4wd club meeting tonight on zoom, and all the cancelled trips north and to the middle etc
then people planning for Nov long weekend - i wouldnt count on it. sadly
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Post by: alnjan on September 01, 2021, 10:55:19 PM
:'( :'(

Had our 4wd club meeting tonight on zoom, and all the cancelled trips north and to the middle etc
then people planning for Nov long weekend - i wouldnt count on it. sadly

It's good to see they are being optimistic.   
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 02, 2021, 04:09:14 AM
The Drag Challenge 2021 organisers are still hoping to go ahead with it in October. (In Vic)

Can't see any Qld cars getting through NSW by then and can't NSW doing anything at all by then.

Being optimistic is one thing, but i think Covid/delta will knock it on the head.



 
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Post by: gronk on September 02, 2021, 02:17:57 PM
The Drag Challenge 2021 organisers are still hoping to go ahead with it in October. (In Vic)

Can't see any Qld cars getting through NSW by then and can't NSW doing anything at all by then.

Being optimistic is one thing, but i think Covid/delta will knock it on the head.
’’Ha ha, you might get to Vic, but good luck getting home. Unless you put a dress on and say you’re a wife of a footballer !!  ;D

I’ve seen a pic of you….that mightn’t work either ??  ;D
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Post by: Bird on September 02, 2021, 02:57:05 PM
Melbourne:
 Covid Outbreak at contact tracing call centre
Classic!

Qld...
All students at a Queensland school will need to quarantine for 14 days if a family who allegedly travelled back into the state via back roads from Melbourne continue to refuse to be tested for COVID-19.
The Australian International Islamic College at Carrara on the Gold Coast was closed after it was revealed some of its students had “boasted” about illegally travelling back into Queensland from hot spot Melbourne.
So far, the family-of-five, including three children under the age of 10, has refused to be tested, despite some family members becoming unwell.

They have been placed into 14-day hotel quarantine.

Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said two of the children went to school on Tuesday and told classmates they had been to Melbourne.

No shock Shoot em.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 02, 2021, 03:54:26 PM
’’Ha ha, you might get to Vic, but good luck getting home. Unless you put a dress on and say you’re a wife of a footballer !!  ;D

I’ve seen a pic of you….that mightn’t work either ??  ;D

Wouldn't be the first time.  ;D

I just make, a very ugly crossdresser is all.
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Post by: alnjan on September 02, 2021, 06:06:48 PM
and here comes more


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/what-is-the-mu-variant-covid-delta-who/100424026 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/what-is-the-mu-variant-covid-delta-who/100424026)
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Post by: Bird on September 02, 2021, 07:06:13 PM
and here comes more


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/what-is-the-mu-variant-covid-delta-who/100424026 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/what-is-the-mu-variant-covid-delta-who/100424026)
Delta mixed with opium ???
First detected in Colombia at the start of the year, Mu has been reported in sporadic outbreaks in parts of South America and Europe.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on September 03, 2021, 06:33:27 AM
I hope that all that are doing it hard in Isolation are doing OK.

At the moment I know my family are struggling and I have concerns about my kids Schooling via zoom out of the classroom. I am not sure what this is going to do to their education.

I have a meeting tonight for work and I believe we will be put on reduced load due to the 25% limit we have on consruction in Victoria.

If your doing it hard make sure you reach out to someone, keep safe and get vacinated as soon as possible so we can hopefully get back to some normality, what ever that may be in the future.

GG
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Post by: Robbo on September 03, 2021, 08:07:48 AM
Thanks GG. You take care too. Difficult times out there for everyone at present.

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Post by: Bad Scott on September 03, 2021, 08:13:18 AM
Does anyone think the borders will be open in time for Xmas
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Post by: GeoffA on September 03, 2021, 08:27:04 AM
Does anyone think the borders will be open in time for Xmas

Some may be, but I'd be very surprised if they were open nationally...
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Post by: plusnq on September 03, 2021, 08:31:59 AM
Does anyone think the borders will be open in time for Xmas

They are forecasting we will hit the National vaccination level mid to late November. The pressure will really be on to open up. Whether it will be the right decision will remain to be seen.
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Post by: Bad Scott on September 03, 2021, 08:40:21 AM


They are forecasting we will hit the National vaccination level mid to late November. The pressure will really be on to open up. Whether it will be the right decision will remain to be seen.
Some may be, but I'd be very surprised if they were open nationally...

What’s the bet for WA - Vic - WA for Xmas/New Years 🤔 I’m tipping a big NO
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Post by: GeoffA on September 03, 2021, 08:51:14 AM

What’s the bet for WA - Vic - WA for Xmas/New Years 🤔 I’m tipping a big NO

Agree.

IMO, the SE corner of the mainland may be open...SA-VIC-NSW....
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Post by: Bad Scott on September 03, 2021, 09:06:25 AM
That’s my thoughts too. Won’t be able to fly SWMBO over for Xmas/New Years
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Post by: Bird on September 03, 2021, 10:13:48 AM
Quote from: SJindustries
Does anyone think the borders will be open in time for Xmas

More chance of walking on the sun in double pluggers.
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Post by: Bad Scott on September 03, 2021, 10:15:50 AM
More chance of walking on the sun in double pluggers.


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Post by: Bird on September 03, 2021, 10:30:54 AM
My thoughts are the numbers will have dropped by then.... and November long weekend will be ballistic - it will skyrocket again and closed for xmas / new year


Mate lives near the beach in Melb, went for his daily walk, weather was really nice yesterday... He said the beach yesterday was standing room only  :'(
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Post by: Bird on September 03, 2021, 12:59:35 PM
They are sending a heap of motor homes to Wilcannia for the people that have to isolate... So it will be a massive camping trip...   big bonfires, Mines faster than yours  Mr Bond, cause mines a red one Next thing on the news.... massive demolition derby in Wilcannia... who has to pay for a hunge burnt out motorhomes? Livin next door.... to Gladys..




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Post by: gronk on September 03, 2021, 01:38:47 PM
They are sending a heap of motor homes to Wilcannia for the people that have to isolate... So it will be a massive camping trip...   big bonfires, Mines faster than yours  Mr Bond, cause mines a red one Next thing on the news.... massive demolition derby in Wilcannia... who has to pay for a hunge burnt out motorhomes? Livin next door.... to Gladys..

They will have to park them up and take the keys. Could you imagine 20 drunk covid infected blokes driving around the streets of Wilcannia ??
Come to think of it, would be just like a normal Saturday night !!    :cheers:
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Post by: D4D on September 03, 2021, 01:42:15 PM
I was chatting with a colleague from NSW this morning. I asked if he was looking forward to Father's Day in lockdown. He said he was as he had a round of golf booked in the morning and he hadn't played for ages. So NSW are in lockdown and you can still play golf and tennis? Oh how the other half live...
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Post by: Kangaron on September 03, 2021, 02:48:33 PM
Just bring in some temp accomodation.
This will end well.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/wilcannia-covid-outbreak-30-motorhomes-accommodation-supply/100424518 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/wilcannia-covid-outbreak-30-motorhomes-accommodation-supply/100424518)
Old news, hope they put them on blocks.

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Post by: Bird on September 03, 2021, 03:10:26 PM
Quote from: D4D
you can still play golf and tennis?
yea but some of us see that as punishment ;) 


Long live the faux lockdown
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Post by: Rodt on September 03, 2021, 04:03:40 PM
A lot of us in NSW (regional) have no idea why we are in shutdown other than a precaution and to have a legal avenue to stop people travelling out of their local LGA. Agree in regards to the golf scenario as my local area courses haven't stopped. I asked one of them and he said it falls under exercise so they are OK. I said what about not wearing masks and he said that is because it is strenuous.

Regardless of the loopholes in the rules it has definitely slowed a lot of people up and there are significant numbers getting tested and vaccinated which probably wasn't happening at the rates they wanted prior to locking us down.

Let's see what happens when we get to 70%
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Post by: westvic on September 03, 2021, 05:26:58 PM
Does anyone think the borders will be open in time for Xmas
Yep....me

I really do think so...but then again I'm a glass half full kind a guy  :cheers:

Vaccine acceptance seems to have FINALLY kicked in with jabs going in across groups that were previously either barred or hesitant. Mostly the acceptance now seems that we live with it rather than trying to stamp it out. States have all agreed to opening up at levels that should be reached well before Christmas (yes I know that is being back peddled).

Fingers crossed
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Post by: Bird on September 03, 2021, 09:40:25 PM
The young bloke in my clan I game with has been told no Jab no job... works for a very large national company.
Hes 'not going to put that poison into his body"... screw the mortgage etc... if he had a gun, he'd blah blah blah the dog and himself...

I just dont understand some people...
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Post by: plusnq on September 03, 2021, 09:46:18 PM
The young bloke in my clan I game with has been told no Jab no job... works for a very large national company.
Hes 'not going to put that poison into his body"... screw the mortgage etc... if he had a gun, he'd blah blah blah the dog and himself...

I just dont understand some people...

Can’t help some people. Just have to hope they survive. If they do it will only reinforce their beliefs.
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Post by: alnjan on September 03, 2021, 10:06:04 PM
Does anyone think the borders will be open in time for Xmas

That will depend if the dictator Premier's feel they can make any revenue for their State by opening up the Borders for the Holidays and snapping the Borders back shut afterwards.   
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Post by: Bird on September 03, 2021, 10:31:17 PM
Quote from: alnjan
That will depend if the dictator Premier's feel they can make any revenue for their State by opening up the Borders for the Holidays and snapping the Borders back shut afterwards.   
Serious question....  would that be a good move to open em, free for all, spread again and then we all lockdown?
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Post by: plusnq on September 04, 2021, 08:58:38 AM
Serious question....  would that be a good move to open em, free for all, spread again and then we all lockdown?

I think once they open up , the genie is out of the bottle. Look at the UK, Israel etc. Once the virus gets going, as in NSW you can't shut the door on it. I'm pretty sure the Governments have been told that by their experts. The big issues will be the effects on health services and supply chains.Vaccination is the accepted answer but even in Israel there are serious issues, and we in Australia aren't even close to their level of vaccination.The Federal Government was talking about local lockdowns but I struggle to understand how that would work if the virus was endemic.
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Post by: vern on September 04, 2021, 09:01:31 AM
Serious question....  would that be a good move to open em, free for all, spread again and then we all lockdown?
Keep them closed, keep the lockdown going i say, this needs to be controlled so we can get back into life, i need to get my kids back to school, they are giving me the Shits

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Post by: vern on September 04, 2021, 09:05:24 AM
The young bloke in my clan I game with has been told no Jab no job... works for a very large national company.
Hes 'not going to put that poison into his body"... screw the mortgage etc... if he had a gun, he'd blah blah blah the dog and himself...

I just dont understand some people...
We have a few of those at work too, an email came late yesterday from the boss saying due to new government changes, they (work) need to know everyones vaccination status so we can move forward safely as a business, he definitely isn't pushing or forcing people to get it, its their choice, just need to be proactive in this current situation

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Post by: #jonesy on September 04, 2021, 10:00:09 AM
Work union has a closed Facebook group.  From that page I can't believe how many are against the vaccine, for what is a reasonably intelligent job.  Also the absolute hatred from some in both camps, but mostly the non vaccinated.

At the same time they bitch about everything, pay, conditions, work, management....  I just want to post that if they hate it so much they should f off and let else come in.
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Post by: sharkcaver on September 04, 2021, 12:43:38 PM
Delta has changed the rules. Up till now, I've been a supporter of fast, hard lock downs to eliminate the virus.
Dan got on the job pretty quick, but it is starting to run away there now too....thanks to delta.
The NHS in the UK has had to admit this is now endemic, and at some stage everyone in the UK will get the disease. Being infected can not be controlled.
However, vaccination is the only way to prevent hospitalisation and death.
Lambda variant in S.America looks worse than delta for contagiousness and a new as yet unnamed variant in S.Africa looks worse again.

As much as I hate to admit it, this aint over yet and I think we need to learn to live with it. The variants have shown elimination is not a working strategy.
IMO, McGowan has done a great job, but when it hits over here, and it will, it's going to hit hard. Something the pollies are now also starting to sprout.
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Post by: Bad Scott on September 04, 2021, 12:56:00 PM
Delta has changed the rules. Up till now, I've been a supporter of fast, hard lock downs to eliminate the virus.
Dan got on the job pretty quick, but it is starting to run away there now too....thanks to delta.
The NHS in the UK has had to admit this is now endemic, and at some stage everyone in the UK will get the disease. Being infected can not be controlled.
However, vaccination is the only way to prevent hospitalisation and death.
Lambda variant in S.America looks worse than delta for contagiousness and a new as yet unnamed variant in S.Africa looks worse again.

As much as I hate to admit it, this aint over yet and I think we need to learn to live with it. The variants have shown elimination is not a working strategy.
IMO, McGowan has done a great job, but when it hits over here, and it will, it's going to hit hard. Something the pollies are now also starting to sprout.
This is what I'm concerned about having arrived in WA. Have noticed on many occasions, not many are checking in.
 IMHO the WA people have no idea of the consequences with Covid. It'll be an apocalypse of mass proportion. It's like pre 2019 here. Mark McGowan status will crumble.

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Post by: sharkcaver on September 04, 2021, 01:08:57 PM

 IMHO the WA people have no idea of the consequences with Covid. It'll be an apocalypse of mass proportion. It's like pre 2019 here. Mark McGowan status will crumble.

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We are coming up for a hard lesson me thinks. I'm prepped, fully jabbed at least and 2 rolls of dunny paper in max ;)
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Post by: Bird on September 04, 2021, 01:27:03 PM
Quote from: SJindustries
. Have noticed on many occasions, not many are checking in.
thats everywhere... go to a shopping center and they scan in at the front door and thats it
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Post by: Bad Scott on September 04, 2021, 01:45:06 PM
We are coming up for a hard lesson me thinks. I'm prepped, fully jabbed at least and 2 rolls of dunny paper in max ;)
You'll be thankful. This Mexican is prepared.
The panic buying just for a 3 day lockdown in Perth was funny to experience.
The squares become legal tender in longer lockdowns

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Post by: GeoffA on September 04, 2021, 01:46:07 PM
.. go to a shopping center..

Pass...
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Post by: gronk on September 04, 2021, 01:50:30 PM
thats everywhere... go to a shopping center and they scan in at the front door and thats it

This one has me stumped ?  Where else do you scan in at ?
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Post by: Pottsy on September 04, 2021, 01:53:31 PM
This one has me stumped ?  Where else do you scan in at ?

In SA you scan at individual shops within a shopping complex, even in some hospitals, medical centres you must scan in at individual clinics etc.
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Post by: gronk on September 04, 2021, 02:30:51 PM
In SA you scan at individual shops within a shopping complex, even in some hospitals, medical centres you must scan in at individual clinics etc.
yep, same here. My mistake, I thought he meant supermarket !!

Because I’m unvaccinated, I have been to a supermarket, but haven’t been to a shopping complex for months. And won’t be  for a while with our LGA numbers starting to climb…15 new cases yesterday.
1st jab slated for early  October..
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Post by: Pottsy on September 04, 2021, 03:00:07 PM
Let’s hope they can nip it the bud.
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Post by: #jonesy on September 06, 2021, 05:58:43 AM
I look at the Vic exposure sites everyday before I go to work.  It amazes how often Chemists appear.  People still haven't learnt that cold symptoms are possibly Covid
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Post by: gronk on September 06, 2021, 09:34:40 AM
I look at the Vic exposure sites everyday before I go to work.  It amazes how often Chemists appear.  People still haven't learnt that cold symptoms are possibly Covid

Son in law is a chemist,and what people do is get a covid test then go to the chemist to get medicine for chest cold/ cough/runny nose/etc, etc, …….then get the Shits when told to get out and go home ??

Not all people can be really smart, most are pretty sensible, but  some are really dumb.
What this pandemic has shown us is the amount of people who are probably well educated who are really dumb !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Steffo1 on September 06, 2021, 09:42:22 AM
What this pandemic has shown us is the amount of people who are probably well educated who are really dumb !!

Just because someone is intelligent, doesn't necessarily mean that they're smart. I've always been dumfounded by the number of well educated people who get caught up in scammy, religious sects! ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on September 06, 2021, 11:34:30 AM
Just because someone is intelligent, doesn't necessarily mean that they're smart. I've always been dumfounded by the number of well educated people who get caught up in scammy, religious sects! ???
Commonly referred to as”educated idiots”
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on September 06, 2021, 12:22:04 PM
.....People still haven't learnt that cold symptoms are possibly Covid

Most likely hay fever at this time of year....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 06, 2021, 12:37:31 PM
Most likely hay fever at this time of year....

Back in the old days it used to be worse to fart than sneeze in public. Now it's worse to sneeze than fart in public :)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Steffo1 on September 06, 2021, 12:45:51 PM
Back in the old days it used to be worse to fart than sneeze in public. Now it's worse to sneeze than fart in public :)

When you get older, they're often coincidental! :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 06, 2021, 03:34:34 PM
Second Pfizar shot.  No problems for me but the Bride had the same allergic reaction as she did to the first shot.   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 06, 2021, 04:32:31 PM
Quote from: alnjan
Second Pfizar shot.  No problems for me but the Bride had the same allergic reaction as she did to the first shot.

Hope the bad effects dont last...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: BaseCamp on September 06, 2021, 04:36:51 PM
Was at the footy on Sunday - Suncorp... Body count - 26,747. ...  with only less than about a third of the mob bothering to wear masks ...   

No real enforcement from the goons ... no sanitizers at the food/drink outlets that I saw.... You had to QR into the joint but then end of story  ... 

but imagine when; (away from your seated section); and walking through the stadium tunnels and passageways past thousands of people; all inhaling and exhaling; few masks - anyone got delta?

Palaszczuk and stooge Jeannette are playing a fast and reckless roll of the dice up here; thinking delta will fizz at the border ...

Get vaxed qlders; before its our turn for rampaging transmission....

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on September 06, 2021, 05:17:03 PM
Back in the old days it used to be worse to fart than sneeze in public. Now it's worse to sneeze than fart in public :)

You wouldn't  think that if you were to smell one of mine.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on September 06, 2021, 06:32:43 PM
I see it at the local shops. Certain shops people congregate in small groups, 3 sometime, 6 sometime, talking, sometimes and showing off their "fully sick" cars. No social distancing,  no masks, no scanning into shops. They go in and out how they want, when they want and to any shop they want. If they are like that there doubt it would be any different where ever they go, and if they have it and aren't hospitalised, would they stay home? Who knows.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: DandyD on September 06, 2021, 08:38:49 PM
Where I am now (Cyprus) you have to prove that you are double jabbed to enter a shop. If you aren’t, you have to prove that you have had a negative test within the last 72 hours. Tests aren’t free, so not being double jabbed could get expensive.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 07, 2021, 04:59:59 AM
Was at the footy on Sunday - Suncorp... Body count - 26,747. ...  with only less than about a third of the mob bothering to wear masks ...   

No real enforcement from the goons ... no sanitizers at the food/drink outlets that I saw.... You had to QR into the joint but then end of story  ... 

but imagine when; (away from your seated section); and walking through the stadium tunnels and passageways past thousands of people; all inhaling and exhaling; few masks - anyone got delta?

Palaszczuk and stooge Jeannette are playing a fast and reckless roll of the dice up here; thinking delta will fizz at the border ...

Get vaxed qlders; before its our turn for rampaging transmission....

Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk

Its due to jump the border any time now too.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 12, 2021, 10:38:02 AM
392 in Victoria

Has everyone given up on the lockdown gig and just screw it - out and about ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 12, 2021, 11:28:11 AM
392 in Victoria

Has everyone given up on the lockdown gig and just screw it - out and about ???

regardless of lockdowns, Delta is a going to get us all
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on September 12, 2021, 12:25:47 PM
392 in Victoria

Has everyone given up on the lockdown gig and just screw it - out and about ???
I think that is exactly it.  We kept the delta  numbers low for quite a while so it can be contained.  It is spreading through people who don't give a f... or who see it as inevitable and given up. 

I'm slowly heading to the giving up stage
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 12, 2021, 12:28:02 PM
Quote from: #jonesy
It is spreading through people who don't give a f... or who see it as inevitable and given up. 

I'm slowly heading to the giving up stage
must admit I agree... seeing more and more 'For Lease" signs up in shopping strips and in industrial estates - factories and lunch shops
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on September 12, 2021, 01:23:52 PM
must admit I agree... seeing more and more 'For Lease" signs up in shopping strips and in industrial estates - factories and lunch shops

What the hell are you doing driving around?  ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 12, 2021, 02:58:48 PM
What the hell are you doing driving around?  ;D
going to work .. :P
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on September 12, 2021, 03:17:48 PM
going to work .. :P
Well that’s alright then.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on September 12, 2021, 08:54:34 PM
I think that is exactly it.  We kept the delta  numbers low for quite a while so it can be contained.  It is spreading through people who don't give a f... or who see it as inevitable and given up. 

I'm slowly heading to the giving up stage

Yeah, seems hard to fathom. But if you consider people going to work, then coming home each day, there's one source of transmission. Then the mrs goes shopping, spreads it around the shopping centre.. Then someone who's been shopping in the same place gets it. They go home and their family is infected. It's pretty hard to contain unless you do like they did in China when it originally broke out, and weld peoples doors shut, with the family inside...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 13, 2021, 10:21:04 AM
Quote from: Troopy_03
Yeah, seems hard to fathom. But if you consider people going to work, then coming home each day, there's one source of transmission. Then the mrs goes shopping, spreads it around the shopping centre.. Then someone who's been shopping in the same place gets it. They go home and their family is infected. It's pretty hard to contain unless you do like they did in China when it originally broke out, and weld peoples doors shut, with the family inside...
there is certainly more traffic on the road now than this time last year..

The banter at work here after todays 580 odd numbers is certainly changed to screw it - lets live with it.


An appropriate song
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uobO9VNi14
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on September 13, 2021, 01:17:52 PM
there is certainly more traffic on the road now than this time last year..

The banter at work here after todays 580 odd numbers is certainly changed to screw it - lets live with it.


An appropriate song
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uobO9VNi14

Seems to be how it is going to be. Sadly lots of people are going to die from it first  :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on September 13, 2021, 01:45:42 PM
I've thought there has always been more traffic on the roads here since this years lockdowns started compared to last year. Seems to be there are not the same amount of people that are complying to the lockdown restrictions this time around. I came across a lot of people last year that were not happy at having to do what was recommended. I know around here often different cars parked at some houses that don't live there, some of which are members of the unhappy lot. Think that there are the ones that want to curb the spred of this and the ones that just don't give a s**t now.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on September 13, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
Seems to be how it is going to be. Sadly lots of people are going to die from it first  :'(

Yep, that's what will happen, and all the authorities are OK with it, as long as we can get as many vulnerable people as possible vaccinated first. At least that will lower hospital ICU admissions and not put such a huge workload on them.

People who decide not to get vaccinated, with no other health conditions, that may preclude them from being vaccinated, are just bloody selfish. They will end up clogging the hospital systems when we give the virus free reign with open borders and have no (or few) restrictions on travel or groups. Maybe they should be treated as second class citizens, a bit like smokers are now, when they go to the doctor.  >:D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on September 13, 2021, 04:26:10 PM
I understand from my colleagues in Sydney that ICU's are already in overflow. At leads two extra ICU wards have opened up in one Sydney hospital. This is before we have opened up. Staff shortages are happening now. I'm very concerned about what will happen once they open up.The flow on effects are what people don't understand. Someone will have an event that normally they may survive with some ICU care (heart attack, cancer, car accident, etc etc).
Sitting in ED or wards waiting for an ICU bed will lead to lots of unnecessary deaths. It's a numbers game and it seems some of our politicians and countrymen are prepared to roll the dice. I feel next year might be quite difficult for a lot of people.

Everyone in my family except my 12 year old has has two jabs. She has had one and will be fully vaccinated by the end of September hopefully. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 13, 2021, 04:43:42 PM
I understand from my colleagues in Sydney that ICU's are already in overflow. At leads two extra ICU wards have opened up in one Sydney hospital. This is before we have opened up. Staff shortages are happening now. I'm very concerned about what will happen once they open up.The flow on effects are what people don't understand. Someone will have an event that normally they may survive with some ICU care (heart attack, cancer, car accident, etc etc).
Sitting in ED or wards waiting for an ICU bed will lead to lots of unnecessary deaths. It's a numbers game and it seems some of our politicians and countrymen are prepared to roll the dice. I feel next year might be quite difficult for a lot of people.

Everyone in my family except my 12 year old has has two jabs. She has had one and will be fully vaccinated by the end of September hopefully. Fingers crossed.
Good work on all gettin vaxxed.

This sorta shows how out of their depth they are and how much worse they expect it to get.. I still say call the chinese in for their 10 day hospital build....
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/contingency-plan-to-have-firefighters-drive-ambulances-in-covid-stricken-sydney-slammed-by-health-services-union-c-3948677 (https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/contingency-plan-to-have-firefighters-drive-ambulances-in-covid-stricken-sydney-slammed-by-health-services-union-c-3948677)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on September 13, 2021, 05:21:18 PM
I understand from my colleagues in Sydney that ICU's are already in overflow. At leads two extra ICU wards have opened up in one Sydney hospital. This is before we have opened up. Staff shortages are happening now. I'm very concerned about what will happen once they open up.The flow on effects are what people don't understand. Someone will have an event that normally they may survive with some ICU care (heart attack, cancer, car accident, etc etc).
Sitting in ED or wards waiting for an ICU bed will lead to lots of unnecessary deaths. It's a numbers game and it seems some of our politicians and countrymen are prepared to roll the dice. I feel next year might be quite difficult for a lot of people.

Everyone in my family except my 12 year old has has two jabs. She has had one and will be fully vaccinated by the end of September hopefully. Fingers crossed.

No way things are as bad as you stated. Gladys has said nothing on this. We'll be ok once we hit the magic 70% number. Things are going that good we no longer have to be told everyday just how good they are going. At least that's what Gladys told me.
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Post by: plusnq on September 13, 2021, 06:31:22 PM
No way things are as bad as you stated. Gladys has said nothing on this. We'll be ok once we hit the magic 70% number. Things are going that good we no longer have to be told everyday just how good they are going. At least that's what Gladys told me.

We can only hope she is right mate.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on September 13, 2021, 11:37:56 PM
No way things are as bad as you stated. Gladys has said nothing on this. We'll be ok once we hit the magic 70% number. Things are going that good we no longer have to be told everyday just how good they are going. At least that's what Gladys told me.

The magic number is just a magic number. Still leaves a lot of people at risk of getting it, which in turn can easily over run the hospitals.
Once the population is let loose, the unvaccinated ( by medical reasons not choice ) will find it hard to safely mix with other people for fear anyone may be a carrier. So for them, the self imposed lockdown will continue.

But I do like reading these latest theories that the world is going to do a big reset and all the people who have been vaccinated will die in 2 yrs time…….like who is that smart to develop a vaccine….6 different types…that will take 2 yrs to kill you ??   ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 14, 2021, 04:08:49 AM
Oh, i dunno.

I'm pretty good with a chemistry set.

I mixed a combo the other day of a really aggressive degreaser and some Shit for removing barnacles from a boat.
The best Shit ever for cleaning chrome, but was a bit harsh on the skin..... fingers tingled afterwards for hours.  ???

If that couldn't kill covid, nothing could.
Hmmm, i could be onto something here.

Jeeper's Dual Action Covid Cure and Chrome Cleaner...... i'm gunna be rich.  ;D
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Post by: bmwfreak on September 14, 2021, 06:28:49 AM
Better start negotiations with the government now Jeepers. Can take a while for them to respond, apparently  ;D
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Post by: Steffo1 on September 14, 2021, 07:42:52 AM
Oh, i dunno.

I'm pretty good with a chemistry set.

I mixed a combo the other day of a really aggressive degreaser and some Shit for removing barnacles from a boat.
The best Shit ever for cleaning chrome, but was a bit harsh on the skin..... fingers tingled afterwards for hours.  ???

If that couldn't kill covid, nothing could.
Hmmm, i could be onto something here.

Jeeper's Dual Action Covid Cure and Chrome Cleaner...... i'm gunna be rich.  ;D

Your local 'Stock & Produce' store may be a good retail outlet?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on September 14, 2021, 08:16:44 AM
Oh, i dunno.

I'm pretty good with a chemistry set.

I mixed a combo the other day of a really aggressive degreaser and some Shit for removing barnacles from a boat.
The best Shit ever for cleaning chrome, but was a bit harsh on the skin..... fingers tingled afterwards for hours.  ???

If that couldn't kill covid, nothing could.
Hmmm, i could be onto something here.

Jeeper's Dual Action Covid Cure and Chrome Cleaner...... i'm gunna be rich.  ;D

Funny story ( sort of )…..45 yrs ago at a coal mine we had a brain tumour cluster ( or so they thought ).
One of the culprits ( so they thought ) was a cleaner called “turco solv “.    We used it for washing down big bearings, elect cabinets etc…..we used to wash our hands in the stuff…..anyway, we all went off for brain scans….they couldn’t find any ( problems or brains ), but it was found the “turco solv” was carcinogenic.
So, no more “turco solv “.
I personally know a bloke who recently had blood cancer…….coincidence ?  We’ll never know ??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on September 14, 2021, 08:44:55 AM
But I do like reading these latest theories that the world is going to do a big reset and all the people who have been vaccinated will die in 2 yrs time…….like who is that smart to develop a vaccine….6 different types…that will take 2 yrs to kill you ??   ;D ;D
But maybe it is not 6 seperate vaccines, it is one, in 6 different packages.   >:D
And maybe of the 2 doses, only one is real and the other a placebo which is why people are reacting differently. >:D

In 3 years time, if I'm still here I can say they were all wrong.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on September 14, 2021, 12:59:38 PM
No way things are as bad as you stated. Gladys has said nothing on this. We'll be ok once we hit the magic 70% number. Things are going that good we no longer have to be told everyday just how good they are going. At least that's what Gladys told me.

You Mexicans would do better to worry about your own state at the moment..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on September 15, 2021, 07:31:24 PM
Now a close contact, time to isolate and get a test, bugger

GG
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 15, 2021, 07:42:40 PM
Quote from: GGV8Cruza
Now a close contact, time to isolate and get a test, bugger
Where from ? Work or shops or?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on September 15, 2021, 08:06:17 PM
Where from ? Work or shops or?

Work
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on September 15, 2021, 09:55:52 PM
Isolate until negative result, or the full 14 days?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 15, 2021, 11:23:48 PM
Hard to keep up at times when the so called Top Doctors want to disagree.    But then looking at the source of the story, just another beat up. 

https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-pfizer-over-60s-queensland-coatsworth-griffin/4db16766-6ee1-4d81-a838-fc01ca7cb472 (https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-pfizer-over-60s-queensland-coatsworth-griffin/4db16766-6ee1-4d81-a838-fc01ca7cb472)

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on September 16, 2021, 06:15:51 AM
A Current Affair is not a news source.
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Post by: xcvator on September 16, 2021, 08:10:15 AM
A Current Affair is not a news source.
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on September 16, 2021, 09:00:38 AM
Isolate until negative result, or the full 14 days?

Just had a test, at the moment it is isolate till negative. It has not been listed as a site yet. I am sure the DHHS is under the pump.

GG
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Post by: Bird on September 16, 2021, 12:29:23 PM
Just had a test, at the moment it is isolate till negative. It has not been listed as a site yet. I am sure the DHHS is under the pump.

GG
serious question - so its not listed yet
- but if it is listed as tier 1 (or whatever the worst is this week)- and you test neg - do you still have to wait the 14 day incubation period?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on September 16, 2021, 12:43:13 PM
Tier 1 is 14 days regardless of result
Tier 2 isolate until negative result
Tier 3 is monitor and get tested is symptoms appear.


But some invidivuals are also assessed as 1 2 3, seperate to the site
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on September 16, 2021, 01:50:25 PM
Tier 1 is 14 days regardless of result
Tier 2 isolate until negative result
Tier 3 is monitor and get tested is symptoms appear.


But some invidivuals are also assessed as 1 2 3, seperate to the site

 In NSW we don’t have tier stuff, but if you were a close contact, it is a 14 day isolate regardless of test result.
Tier 2 is casual contact…same same as above.
Tier 3, the same.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on September 16, 2021, 02:49:51 PM
serious question - so its not listed yet
- but if it is listed as tier 1 (or whatever the worst is this week)- and you test neg - do you still have to wait the 14 day incubation period?

Not listed at all yet, site is now closed and a heap of paperwork and phone calls made today. No result on test yet. i am so over this f'ing thing

GG
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 16, 2021, 03:18:32 PM
Quote from: GGV8Cruza
No result on test yet. i am so over this f'ing thing
Your not alone.
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Post by: Brij on September 16, 2021, 08:04:38 PM
Not listed at all yet, site is now closed and a heap of paperwork and phone calls made today. No result on test yet. i am so over this f'ing thing

GG

Nothings easy.

I was a bit fluey a few weeks ago so thought I would do the right thing.
Took me nearly 4 days to get tested in country Vic.

Midway through Thursday saw there was available spots at a walkin clinic for Friday, but by Friday morning they had dissappeared, and next openings were not until Monday.
Thought I would try the local blood test mob, but need a referral from doctor. Phone doctor and they only do phone interviews. Doctor called me back a few hours later. Chit chat then said he would forward referral to blood test mob and they would call me.
By 430pm I hadn't heard from them so tried to call them. No good. They are only open 9 to 3, Monday to Friday.

By Monday I was over the mild flu, but thought I better still get tested since I was probably now on record as suffering flu like symptons and needing tested.

Still can't get through to local blood test mob. Seemed local number went through to a Melbourne office, with no options to get through to any 9ne about covid testing.

In frustration I called the local drive through testing facility. I hadn't bothered with them as they also needed a referral and I assumed me referral would be at walk in clinic.

But the drive through clinic was very helpful. Said they had an opening in 15 minutes. Just come through and she would sort paperwork.

Lucky we aren't in the middle of a pandemic >:(

I didn't have covid.



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Post by: Jillsy on September 16, 2021, 08:46:18 PM
Now a close contact, time to isolate and get a test, bugger

GG

 :o :o :o

We are thinking of you Mate X
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Post by: MDS69 on September 16, 2021, 09:11:20 PM
Now a close contact, time to isolate and get a test, bugger

GG

I am a close contact and have been in isolation since Friday. Had a test on the day of contact and came back negative but it was probably too soon. Test yesterday came back negative. Have a NSW Health mandated test tomorrow and again next Thursday before isolation ends midnight next Friday provided result is negative. Sheriff came around today to check up on me and had the police and defence force yesterday.  I get a daily sms to reply to and have had 2 phone calls from the health department checking up on me. I would hate to see what checks they would do if I was positive.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on September 17, 2021, 06:54:00 AM
Negative.

Thanks to all have called and reached out, much appreciated. Now to see what DHHS do with the site


GG

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Post by: plusnq on September 17, 2021, 06:56:53 AM
Great news
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Post by: Bad Scott on September 17, 2021, 07:01:29 AM
Negative.

Thanks to all have called and reached out, much appreciated. Now to see what DHHS do with the site


GG

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Feeling ya pain champ. I have done the 14 day iso after returning from regional NSW when the borders got closed. Missed the cut off by 23 hrs

Sent from .............. Somewhere in Australia

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Post by: gronk on September 17, 2021, 09:36:22 AM
Feeling ya pain champ. I have done the 14 day iso after returning from regional NSW when the borders got closed. Missed the cut off by 23 hrs

Sent from .............. Somewhere in Australia

Pain ???    We are still in isolation after 10…or is it 12 weeks ??   >:D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bad Scott on September 17, 2021, 09:38:49 AM
Pain ???    We are still in isolation after 10…or is it 12 weeks ??   >:D
Do 7 lockdowns and 2 isolations, no pay for 3 months as I couldn't get to sites

Sent from .............. Somewhere in Australia

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Post by: D4D on September 19, 2021, 04:31:24 PM
Help me understand how you're going to play cricket with 2 (unvax) or % (vax) people, or has cricket changed since I played it?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_nWZmeVcAEJISS?format=png)
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Post by: Bird on September 19, 2021, 04:35:11 PM
Help me understand how you're going to play cricket with 2 (unvax) or % (vax) people, or has cricket changed since I played it?
all I wanna know is the carwash next to blackburn pub open ?
]

sadly I can see fights and Shit happening with the "anti" people who refuse and the officials telling them to **** off home.
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Post by: gronk on September 19, 2021, 05:17:50 PM
all I wanna know is the carwash next to blackburn pub open ?
]

sadly I can see fights and Shit happening with the "anti" people who refuse and the officials telling them to **** off home.

Or if I rock up to a restaurant and ask if they have let in any unvaccinated people……will they tell me ?
What happened to the temp guns that a lot of businesses were using ?

The safest place will be the smoking room at the nearest airport….if you like smoke !!   ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on September 19, 2021, 05:37:47 PM
I would like and expect to be told that an unvaxed is being served by a restaurant.  That way I'll take my money elsewhere.  But there will be problems with checking and refusing  service to them. See more trouble, maybe some big trouble when the times come.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on September 19, 2021, 05:42:54 PM
And people think the current restrictions are confusing, you ain’t seen nothing yet, imagine trying interpret and police those posted above. ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 19, 2021, 06:13:58 PM
And people think the current restrictions are confusing, you ain’t seen nothing yet, imagine trying interpret and police those posted above. ???

The only part of the restrictions that confuse me is the number of people complaining the restrictions are to much and the other number of people saying the restrictions are not hard enough.

Only proves you can not please all of the people any of the time. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 19, 2021, 06:49:39 PM
Is going to go inspect a car to buy considered ok?  Arthur Daly that i spoke to said yes...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on September 19, 2021, 07:21:12 PM
I wouldn't worry about being in a restaurant where there are un-vaxed people. With Delta, they are in more trouble than you. You can still get Delta from vaxed people just as easily as you can get it from un-vaxed. The big thing is, if you're vaxed, you should probably will survive it. The un-vaxed, on the other hand, have a greater chance of ending up in an ICU, ,or dying...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: swaggie1 on September 19, 2021, 07:26:43 PM
Or if I rock up to a restaurant and ask if they have let in any unvaccinated people……will they tell me ?
What happened to the temp guns that a lot of businesses were using ?

The safest place will be the smoking room at the nearest airport….if you like smoke !!   ;D
If you're vaccinated why are you so concerned with just  unvaccinated people?    From what I understand both the double- vaccinated and unvaccinated can catch and spread it.
To be certain you'd need everyone to be tested at the door with one of those rapid tests.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 19, 2021, 07:52:10 PM
So if places are opening up to 'double jabbers' - whose going to police it?
What evidence is proof you've been doubled?
And legally can they refuse people entry?  The local Coles today had a young 18ish yr old girl checking people scanned in, and those that hadnt scanned just walked in

Lastly are self defense lessons claimable on tax or private health. I can see this getting really really nasty for innocent shop/business owners...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 19, 2021, 08:00:10 PM
I wouldn't worry about being in a restaurant where there are un-vaxed people. With Delta, they are in more trouble than you. You can still get Delta from vaxed people just as easily as you can get it from un-vaxed. The big thing is, if you're vaxed, you should probably will survive it. The un-vaxed, on the other hand, have a greater chance of ending up in an ICU, ,or dying...

Exactly.   And take that further is the exact same reason why there should not be any Vaccine Mandate or Passport.   Rather then creating another Class distinction line to cause more discrimination, just stick to the logic of vaccinations and what they offer.   

Also there is still no talk of those who have had Covid and potentially have a higher level of immunity then those double vaccinated.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 19, 2021, 08:21:39 PM
Quote from: alnjan
Also there is still no talk of those who have had Covid and potentially have a higher level of immunity then those double vaccinated.
actually thats a good point.. slipped through the cracks.
No info on if those that have had it are better/worse off.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on September 19, 2021, 08:39:27 PM
What evidence is proof you've been doubled?

Medicare app on your phone shows your vax status

Edit - login via mygov and download your COVID-19 digital certificate
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on September 19, 2021, 08:44:56 PM
Medicare app on your phone shows your vax status

And when they get their arse into gear, it will be on our service NSW app, to either show someone or scan into a premises.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigsteve on September 19, 2021, 08:50:22 PM
Negative.

Thanks to all have called and reached out, much appreciated. Now to see what DHHS do with the site


GG

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We were caught up in the school lockdowns in the last outbreak. Not fun being in iso, hang in there bud.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on September 19, 2021, 08:51:10 PM
I wouldn't worry about being in a restaurant where there are un-vaxed people. With Delta, they are in more trouble than you. You can still get Delta from vaxed people just as easily as you can get it from un-vaxed. The big thing is, if you're vaxed, you should probably will survive it. The un-vaxed, on the other hand, have a greater chance of ending up in an ICU, ,or dying...

Unless you are part of a small minority that have/had immune problems and although you might be fully vaxed, it MAY not be fully effective, with no way of telling, that I’m aware of.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: DandyD on September 19, 2021, 09:05:16 PM
actually thats a good point.. slipped through the cracks.
No info on if those that have had it are better/worse off.

You aren’t looking hard enough. Covid does give you protection for about nine months. Best protection is double jab plus covid. Or double jab plus booster.

The vaccines giver better protection against the different variants. The people dying from the delta variant in the UK are almost exclusively vaccine refusers.

I’m in line for a booster. They are mixing the vaccines too, so Pfizer or a half dose of Moderna instead of the AZ I had first time round. So, I will have had covid, double jab and booster. I hope that works!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 19, 2021, 09:43:29 PM
actually thats a good point.. slipped through the cracks.
No info on if those that have had it are better/worse off.

A couple of people that have had covid have spoken to their Drs about their 'Natural Immunity' v Vaccine.   Following blood tests the Covid recovered had higher protien count then the Drs double vaccinated.   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on September 20, 2021, 12:03:25 AM
So happy I made the move to the bush 21 months ago.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on September 20, 2021, 01:42:37 AM
A couple of people that have had covid have spoken to their Drs about their 'Natural Immunity' v Vaccine.   Following blood tests the Covid recovered had higher protien count then the Drs double vaccinated.


This will give some insight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzOf6Cj3T-8&t=201s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzOf6Cj3T-8&t=201s)    .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on September 20, 2021, 08:19:14 AM
Unless you are part of a small minority that have/had immune problems and although you might be fully vaxed, it MAY not be fully effective, with no way of telling, that I’m aware of.

It doesn't matter. Immune compromised people, whether they are unvaxed, or vaxed but uncertain of their immunity to covid, still run a risk coming into close proximity with vaxed and unvaxed people alike.

I think I'm reading your post right?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on September 20, 2021, 08:30:00 AM
You aren’t looking hard enough. Covid does give you protection for about nine months. Best protection is double jab plus covid. Or double jab plus booster.

The vaccines giver better protection against the different variants. The people dying from the delta variant in the UK are almost exclusively vaccine refusers.

I’m in line for a booster. They are mixing the vaccines too, so Pfizer or a half dose of Moderna instead of the AZ I had first time round. So, I will have had covid, double jab and booster. I hope that works!

I think that's a very telling point, and it seems that the vaccinated people that do die are more often in their 80's 90's, or have underlying health problems anyway. Unfortunately though, some people are unable to be vaccinated due to their health situation, and these people are the ones that are at risk, through no fault of their own, once we "open the gates" here.

But the straight out anti vaxers, I have no sympathy for. In fact it goes further than that, I despise their selfishness in risking the lives of their kids and their potential of clogging up the emergency health facilities when they do succumb to the virus.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bmwfreak on September 20, 2021, 08:41:32 AM

This will give some insight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzOf6Cj3T-8&t=201s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzOf6Cj3T-8&t=201s)    .

I have watched about half a dozen of his presentations and found all of them to be very informative🙂

The follow on video is an example of the way the Australian Gov is publishing ‘information/recommendations’ for the sake of appearances.
https://youtu.be/_gndsUjgPYo (https://youtu.be/_gndsUjgPYo)

Sad really!!! :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on September 20, 2021, 09:18:43 AM
^^^^^ Yep and that type of Nonsence by the Govco is whats causing people to hold back .. Especialy when theyve seen what / how the stuff worked in India when Delta was raging out of control .. crazy ..Ivermectin is something like $168 per Kg going by the good Dr John  .and theres about 3 Micrograms in a tablet [ costs more for the capsule than the Ivmctin ..about 1c ]  ..
India apparently used on average two tablets 3 weeks apart for millions of people and virtualy wiped out the V in uttar Prudesh .
https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-government-says-ivermectin-helped-to-keep-deaths-low-7311786/ (https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-government-says-ivermectin-helped-to-keep-deaths-low-7311786/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on September 20, 2021, 12:25:44 PM
As good as all the drugs are at treating Covid, people need to remember it is for treating someone who is infected with Covid.   They are not a means of protecting against Covid, that is what the Vaccines are for.   

Get Vaccinated to prevent Covid, take the other drugs when infected with Covid.   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 20, 2021, 12:45:58 PM
Negative.
Thanks to all have called and reached out, much appreciated. Now to see what DHHS do with the site
How did you go - back to site yet?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on September 20, 2021, 01:35:07 PM
How did you go - back to site yet?

Back on, missed the window to be a Tiered site by around 5 hours.

GG
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on September 20, 2021, 01:58:49 PM
It doesn't matter. Immune compromised people, whether they are unvaxed, or vaxed but uncertain of their immunity to covid, still run a risk coming into close proximity with vaxed and unvaxed people alike.

I think I'm reading your post right?

That’s correct.   I have my 1st shot next month, 2nd shot in December.

Coming out of lockdown will only make one difference to me…..the ability to go camping….away from everyone else.
Being retired makes lockdown pretty easy for me.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 20, 2021, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: Bird
I can see this getting really really nasty for innocent shop/business owners...

https://www.traveller.com.au/travel-and-vaccine-passports-enraged-texan-tourists-attack-new-york-restaurant-hostess-after-she-asked-for-proof-of-vaccination-h1yoh2 (https://www.traveller.com.au/travel-and-vaccine-passports-enraged-texan-tourists-attack-new-york-restaurant-hostess-after-she-asked-for-proof-of-vaccination-h1yoh2)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 21, 2021, 12:34:06 PM
What does this achieve..? My solution.. rubber bullets... **** em. Time to get serious with protesters.
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Shocking moment veteran Seven News reporter is SPAT on and attacked by hooded protesters - and media doused with 'bottles of urine' - during anti-vax tradie rally in Melbourne

Veteran TV newsman Paul Dowsley says he has been spat on, attacked and sprayed with urine in ugly scenes at the tradies' protest rally in Melbourne on Tuesday.

The 7News reporter was reporting from the scene of the protest when he was jumped by one demonstrator who grabbed him around the neck.

He was also said to have been doused in urine, including in his mouth, when open bottles were thrown at him in another separate disgusting attack


The IQ of the protesters
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Their final demand was for the 'mass distribution of invermectin, Vitamins C, D and Zinc' as alternative treatments for Covid-19.
Invermectin, a horse tranquiliser used to treat parasitic infections, has not been proven to be effective in treating the virus










I'd like to ask "Anti Vaxxers" what they are so or most afraid of ??? The exact reason they wont get the vax.... ??

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on September 21, 2021, 01:29:08 PM
Dont know about them .. But a few I Do know of ...   
My mates wife got the jab so she could cross into qld to see the grand kids .. So far weeks after feeling extremely unwell, has bad tremors to the point cant hold things or walk, has collapsed several times, vision problems,  been hospitalised,  dares not drive ..
Multitudes of tests and they cant tell why or whats happening at this stage .. life is upside down and turned to Shite, been adviseed not to get the second one  ..
Idiot brother inlaw, Work associate had two jabs, turned his toes up three days after the second hit ..They stuck him in the dirt ..Dont know if there  was underlying issues ..
Work associate first jab very unwell, bed ridden unable to function for two weeks feeling of total dread thinking he was going to die, second jab similar episode  and now months on still feeling unwell and now with wierd joint pain to point of troubles with mobility .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bmwfreak on September 21, 2021, 01:33:09 PM
I'd like to ask "Anti Vaxxers" what they are so or most afraid of ??? The exact reason they wont get the vax.... ??
Probably the most revealing question(s) would be ‘Which FB page did you get your scientific data from?’, ‘How many people have reportedly died from being vaccinated, on your favourite FB page?’, ‘Which Australian constitution amendment does having the vaccine forced on you break, according to your favourite FB page?’ (Before anyone jumps down my throat re the last one, yes I know we don’t have these things in Australia🤪)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bmwfreak on September 21, 2021, 01:42:18 PM
Dont know about them .. But a few I Do know of ...   
My mates wife got the jab so she could cross into qld to see the grand kids .. So far weeks after feeling extremely unwell, has bad tremors to the point cant hold things or walk, has collapsed several times, vision problems,  been hospitalised,  dares not drive ..
Multitudes of tests and they cant tell why or whats happening at this stage .. life is upside down and turned to Shite, been adviseed not to get the second one  ..
Idiot brother inlaw, Work associate had two jabs, turned his toes up three days after the second hit ..They stuck him in the dirt ..Dont know if there  was underlying issues ..
Work associate first jab very unwell, bed ridden unable to function for two weeks feeling of total dread thinking he was going to die, second jab similar episode  and now months on still feeling unwell and now with wierd joint pain to point of troubles with mobility .
Condolences to those who suffer(ed) from any of the vaccines. For the other 24.5million Australians who have had at least one jab, life goes on pretty much as normal health wise.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on September 22, 2021, 07:38:45 PM
The call up is starting

 https://apple.news/AekNSPGzBR_apEuDRQCKZQw (https://apple.news/AekNSPGzBR_apEuDRQCKZQw)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 23, 2021, 02:30:25 AM
From Bird........ "I'd like to ask "Anti Vaxxers" what they are so or most afraid of ??? The exact reason they wont get the vax.... ??"

I think, there would be a decent number of people who hear the scare mongers and back out on that account alone.
There would be those who for medical reasons, may be wary.

However, for the bulk of them, it's because the Government wants them too.
No bastard Government stooge is gunna make me get  vaxxed attitude springs to mind.

I'm pretty sure however, if you offered the anti-vaxxers $10,000 cash for getting jabbed, there'd be a traffic jam of epic proportions at every stick and go centre.

Just dumb arses who aren't getting any smarter with age i'm sorry to say.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: NZMarkb on September 23, 2021, 06:28:00 AM


I'm pretty sure however, if you offered the anti-vaxxers $10,000 cash for getting jabbed, there'd be a traffic jam of epic proportions at every stick and go centre.



I'm sure $10 would do it for most of them :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on September 23, 2021, 06:29:34 AM
I'm sure $10 would do it for most of them :laugh: :laugh:

Maccas voucher
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bob65 on September 23, 2021, 06:32:49 AM
Can of bundy and a packet of winnie blues

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: NZMarkb on September 23, 2021, 06:41:52 AM
Maccas voucher

What the hell, are you trying to crash the system :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on September 23, 2021, 06:56:52 AM
What the hell, are you trying to crash the system :laugh: :laugh:

Mate if they are smuggling KFC in NZ  https://apple.news/AuWRD0i6gThG1pLizGMpTYg (https://apple.news/AuWRD0i6gThG1pLizGMpTYg)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: NZMarkb on September 23, 2021, 07:29:16 AM
Mate if they are smuggling KFC in NZ  https://apple.news/AuWRD0i6gThG1pLizGMpTYg (https://apple.news/AuWRD0i6gThG1pLizGMpTYg)

They left the gang pad with $150k but spent $50k on that pile of KFC with a plan of reselling it in South Auckland for $200k :laugh: :laugh:
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Post by: plusnq on September 23, 2021, 07:39:19 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Entrepreneurs bro
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Post by: edz on September 23, 2021, 07:58:52 AM
interesting   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO9cjy3Rydc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO9cjy3Rydc)  .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 24, 2021, 09:02:37 AM
Unless i heard it wrong..... which is likely.

Has an anti vaxxer protester been admitted to hospital with covid?

If so, that is piss funny in so many ways.
Unfortunately, if correct, that's also just going to start a whole new wave or continuation of heartache and lockdowns.

Anti-vaxxers do my head in.
I know its a choice thing, but seriously.... i don't need friends who are taking that stance.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on September 24, 2021, 11:39:44 AM
Unless i heard it wrong..... which is likely.

Has an anti vaxxer protester been admitted to hospital with covid?

If so, that is piss funny in so many ways.
Unfortunately, if correct, that's also just going to start a whole new wave or continuation of heartache and lockdowns.

Anti-vaxxers do my head in.
I know its a choice thing, but seriously.... i don't need friends who are taking that stance.

The same person lying in hospital, 1/2 dead, given the option of a life saving injection…….would they refuse ??  I guarantee they wouldn’t.

I find it funny they are protesting about freedom of choice….but they have freedom of choice…they don’t have to have the jab. The other consequences of not having the jab are on them.

I don’t like wearing parachutes, freedom of choice, but I’m smart enough to know if I want to go sky diving, I probably need to wear one…or take the risk !!
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Post by: Bird on September 24, 2021, 11:58:27 AM
Quote from: gronk
I don’t like wearing parachutes, freedom of choice, but I’m smart enough to know if I want to go sky diving, I probably need to wear one…or take the risk !!
Im smart enough to wait for the plane to land before getting out ;p
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Post by: Bird on September 24, 2021, 06:08:08 PM
So Victoria didnt make the target apparently to get any sorta freedoms.

This is living....
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Post by: GeoffA on September 24, 2021, 06:39:15 PM
So Victoria didnt make the target apparently to get any sorta freedoms.

Surprised??
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Post by: gronk on September 24, 2021, 06:41:29 PM
So Victoria didnt make the target apparently to get any sorta freedoms.

This is living....

They may as well let em loose now……no one is isolating properly.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on September 24, 2021, 06:45:50 PM
Surprised??
after seeing the inbreds marching recently who want some ****in horse tranqulizer to cure em (I say give it to em) p- not one bit

They may as well let em loose now……no one is isolating properly.
agree - they havent for months.
its just the hospital staff and medical people who dont deserve the Shit thats coming
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on September 24, 2021, 07:30:31 PM
after seeing the inbreds marching recently who want some ****in horse tranqulizer to cure em (I say give it to em) p- not one bit
agree - they havent for months.
its just the hospital staff and medical people who dont deserve the Shit thats coming

People with a reason not to get vaxxed, get a medical certificate….anyone who turns up to hospital with the virus and hasn’t got a certificate or at least one dose of vaccine….back of the queue.
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Post by: edz on September 24, 2021, 07:40:39 PM
Just for Shits n Giggles ..
You are fully vaxxed and in a crash and no documentation can be found and unconcious .. Firstly Do the vaxxed ambo's treat you or just say f***k him leave him / her there anhd walk ..
if you get to hospital do they treat you or send you the the end of the line /  give you the finger and say he /she can wait .. .. Just curious is all .
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Post by: plusnq on September 24, 2021, 08:16:09 PM
Just for Shits n Giggles ..
You are fully vaxxed and in a crash and no documentation can be found and unconcious .. Firstly Do the vaxxed ambo's treat you or just say f***k him leave him / her there anhd walk ..
if you get to hospital do they treat you or send you the the end of the line /  give you the finger and say he /she can wait .. .. Just curious is all .

They treat everybody in the order of priority from triaging the patients. They might not believe you are worth the effort, but they still do it. I imagine they might be a lot less patient and kind with those who have self inflicted covid injuries. Just saying.

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Post by: gronk on September 24, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
They treat everybody in the order of priority from triaging the patients. They might not believe you are worth the effort, but they still do it. I imagine they might be a lot less patient and kind with those who have self inflicted covid injuries. Just saying.
Yep, you’re right, I was just saying what I think should happen.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 25, 2021, 04:20:46 AM
Just for Shits n Giggles ..
You are fully vaxxed and in a crash and no documentation can be found and unconcious .. Firstly Do the vaxxed ambo's treat you or just say f***k him leave him / her there anhd walk ..
if you get to hospital do they treat you or send you the the end of the line /  give you the finger and say he /she can wait .. .. Just curious is all .

You vaxxed Edz or getting vaxxed?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on September 25, 2021, 10:06:06 AM
Just for Shits n Giggles ..
You are fully vaxxed and in a crash and no documentation can be found and unconcious .. Firstly Do the vaxxed ambo's treat you or just say f***k him leave him / her there anhd walk ..
if you get to hospital do they treat you or send you the the end of the line /  give you the finger and say he /she can wait .. .. Just curious is all .

Easy, they run the scanner over your body and the injected id lets them know, run for cover, conspiracy overload  ;D ;D

GG
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Post by: Bird on September 25, 2021, 10:38:57 AM
Caravan park owners 'stunned' by torrent of abuse over vaccination stance

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-23/curlwaa-caravan-park-owns-will-not-back-down/100478878 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-23/curlwaa-caravan-park-owns-will-not-back-down/100478878)


So where do business like this stand if they don't have rules requiring vax and people go there and get sick/die? Lawyers are already rubbing one out....

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on September 25, 2021, 11:01:01 AM
Caravan park owners 'stunned' by torrent of abuse over vaccination stance

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-23/curlwaa-caravan-park-owns-will-not-back-down/100478878 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-23/curlwaa-caravan-park-owns-will-not-back-down/100478878)


So where do business like this stand if they don't have rules requiring vax and people go there and get sick/die? Lawyers are already rubbing one out....

While it doesn’t make the old fella any safer, it may make a few more antivaxers change their mind if most or nearly all of these places have rules in place.
The more places antivaxers aren’t allowed to go, the more they stay away from the rest of society, which forces more of them to get jabbed, which helps control the virus better.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on September 25, 2021, 11:07:51 AM
You vaxxed Edz or getting vaxxed?


Counting down the days to  drenching day  at the Dr's ..
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Post by: corndog on September 25, 2021, 11:14:01 AM
We have a caravan on-site. Pay a fair bit of money every year to have it there. Over the past few years haven't got the use out of it due to a health issue and the covid.  Lockdown in Melbourne has kept us at home. Did see the park managers on TV saying they had a Melbourne couple rock up to the park the day another lockdown was indroduce. Went like, you are not suppost to be here, you are from a lockdown area, you cannot stay here, no one else will take you, go home and stay where you should be. Good on them I say. Paid the latest site fees and got a thank you email. Next email was about the park is open to all those from regional Victoria, if your from Melbourne stay away. Cant remember if it stated you had to be vaccinated.  I've paid money and can't use it but don't abuse them for it. Being told you can't stay there and pay noting and abusing them, rather not have them in the park myself.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 25, 2021, 11:35:33 AM

Counting down the days to  drenching day  at the Dr's ..

Cool.  :cup:
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Post by: edz on September 25, 2021, 11:58:13 AM
Cool.  :cup:


Bastards must be spying on me ..Just got a message to front on Wednesday morning if I want to be drenched sooner ..
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Post by: #jonesy on September 25, 2021, 12:59:45 PM
The caravan park has every right to restrict who comes to their business.

I love one of the comments as being "un-australian." What does that even mean, it's trotted out everytime some disagrees.
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Post by: Bird on September 25, 2021, 01:33:59 PM
Quote from: #jonesy
The caravan park has every right to restrict who comes to their business.

I love one of the comments as being "un-australian." What does that even mean, it's trotted out everytime some disagrees.
Yep, agree 100% on both ...
I bet those complaining were never going to go there in the first place.

Un-Australian is on par with pulling the race card when your out of ideas.
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Post by: DarWen on September 25, 2021, 03:05:08 PM
Just for Shits n Giggles ..
You are fully vaxxed and in a crash and no documentation can be found and unconcious .. Firstly Do the vaxxed ambo's treat you or just say f***k him leave him / her there anhd walk ..
if you get to hospital do they treat you or send you the the end of the line /  give you the finger and say he /she can wait .. .. Just curious is all .


Depends on other Injuries, and chances of survival.
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Post by: Robbo on September 25, 2021, 03:38:27 PM
Yep, agree 100% on both ...
I bet those complaining were never going to go there in the first place.

Un-Australian is on par with pulling the race card when your out of ideas.
Having seen the behaviour and attitude of anti-vaxers in recent days i would not any of them near any caravan park of mine, if i had one.

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Post by: GeoffA on September 26, 2021, 07:26:33 AM
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/melbourne-falls-into-the-lockdown-void/news-story/5754efdb63816dd717b6c72a304026d5 (https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/melbourne-falls-into-the-lockdown-void/news-story/5754efdb63816dd717b6c72a304026d5)

...from an article by John Ferguson, The Australian, 26/09/2021....

"Michael Carr-Gregg has for decades been a go-to child and family psychologist in Melbourne, and like millions of others is deeply worried about the impact on mental health.

“The word is we are languishing. So that’s actually a psychological term and it’s the void between flourishing and depression and I think it’s a state of exhaustion. It’s where we lose a lot of motivation,” Carr-Gregg says.
"

Pretty close to the mark, I think....
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Post by: edz on September 26, 2021, 01:10:02 PM
Wait and see what happens when languishing gets to a point  turns to blind anger .. The socalled powers are pretty lucky Aussies are pretty laid back and arnt an excitable bunch  as in other countries .
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Post by: GeoffA on September 26, 2021, 01:30:37 PM
Wait and see what happens when languishing gets to a point  turns to blind anger ..

No need to wait...
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Post by: Bird on September 26, 2021, 03:50:12 PM
If they keep danging carrots at the lemmings and then taking it away moving it miles ahead - I dont think they understand what I feel will happen.
I've been a believer in what we have been told, got vaxxed, laughed at all the antivaxers  ... but that belief is disappearing rapidly.
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Post by: xcvator on September 26, 2021, 04:17:09 PM
If they keep danging carrots at the lemmings and then taking it away moving it miles ahead - I dont think they understand what I feel will happen.
I've been a believer in what we have been told, got vaxxed, laughed at all the antivaxers  ... but that belief is disappearing rapidly.

Along with me and a gazillion others
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Post by: gronk on September 26, 2021, 06:48:26 PM
If they keep danging carrots at the lemmings and then taking it away moving it miles ahead - I dont think they understand what I feel will happen.
I've been a believer in what we have been told, got vaxxed, laughed at all the antivaxers  ... but that belief is disappearing rapidly.

I think back to when the pandemics went for up to 6yrs…..people just sucked it up and dealt with it as best they could….no financial bailouts…no anything…
These days, the club or pub is closed, your job may be different, your holidays might be rooted, but you’re still alive, but some people think they are hard done by because they think the govt has an agenda to punish them ?? They bang on about freedom…..but don’t mention any other country with freedom at the moment.
Suck it up, get the jab, and soon we’ll be back to fairly normal….just hope no one close gets it and worse still dies from it.
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Post by: alnjan on September 26, 2021, 08:05:16 PM
I think back to when the pandemics went for up to 6yrs…..people just sucked it up and dealt with it as best they could….no financial bailouts…no anything…
These days, the club or pub is closed, your job may be different, your holidays might be rooted, but you’re still alive, but some people think they are hard done by because they think the govt has an agenda to punish them ?? They bang on about freedom…..but don’t mention any other country with freedom at the moment.
Suck it up, get the jab, and soon we’ll be back to fairly normal….just hope no one close gets it and worse still dies from it.

Along with that, looking at the data from other Countries, we have to expect the double vaccinated to have breakthrough cases, especially with the Delta variant.   Be vaccinated to help protect yourself, along with other practices, from being infected and hopefully reduce the severity of the infection.   
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Post by: Bird on September 26, 2021, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: gronk
Suck it up, get the jab,
... had the double jab... still locked down. nothing has changed.


Quote
and soon we’ll be back to fairly normal….
When? When Dan decides (for Vic)
thats exactly what I'm saying... We are told 'if we are all good little doo-bees this then we'll all be FREE.. happy happy joy joy.. We rocketed up to 70% or so we are told, but it feels as though the last x% we need are the ****tards protesting, so that could be yrs to get the required numbers...
Maybe I need to take up drinking again.
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Post by: gronk on September 26, 2021, 09:06:07 PM
... had the double jab... still locked down. nothing has changed.


What would you like to change ?  Still have a job ? You can still drink ? You haven’t got covid ?

I still haven’t had my 1st jab…..I won’t be able to do anything until December !!

We have been locked down for 14+ weeks this time….twice as long as Victorias.
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Post by: Bird on September 26, 2021, 09:47:32 PM
What would you like to change ?  Still have a job ? You can still drink ? You haven’t got covid ?

I still haven’t had my 1st jab…..I won’t be able to do anything until December !!

We have been locked down for 14+ weeks this time….twice as long as Victorias.
to drive more than a few klms from home without the risk of execution. I"d jabbed.. the message was once double jabbed - all good... but apparently its no different to the pole smokers protesting....December - IMWO - we will also be locked until December when everyone will just tell Gov Co to GAGF and holiday anyway...

theres Vic lockdown and theres NSW soft lockdown... 2 totally different things no matter how long it is.
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Post by: gronk on September 26, 2021, 10:55:13 PM
to drive more than a few klms from home without the risk of execution. I"d jabbed.. the message was once double jabbed - all good... but apparently its no different to the pole smokers protesting....December - IMWO - we will also be locked until December when everyone will just tell Gov Co to GAGF and holiday anyway...

theres Vic lockdown and theres NSW soft lockdown... 2 totally different things no matter how long it is.

NSW soft lockdown ?   5K travel limit….essential shopping, 1 person only….exercise allowed, 2 people….

Is Victoria stricter than that ?
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Post by: alnjan on September 26, 2021, 11:23:08 PM
NSW soft lockdown ?   5K travel limit….essential shopping, 1 person only….exercise allowed, 2 people….

Is Victoria stricter than that ?


yep from 6 August, so may be a few changes since then

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-06/covid-lockdown-rules-sydney-newcastle-hunter-victoria-queensland/100355508 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-06/covid-lockdown-rules-sydney-newcastle-hunter-victoria-queensland/100355508)
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on September 27, 2021, 06:32:17 AM
Before this gets into a state V state tussle over who has been locked up in jail the worse lets just take a breath.

We are all doing it hard on the Eastern states and we are all so over the restrictions and the majority are trying their best. I personally have just about come to the end of my calm state and need this to be over soon to be able to return to some normality. Its the little things we all miss and the one thing that is a major concern is the kids schooling and the like.

Please keep it civil in replies, mods are watching

GG
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Post by: westvic on September 27, 2021, 06:42:57 AM

Suck it up, get the jab, and soon we’ll be back to fairly normal….just hope no one close gets it and worse still dies from it.

Under the new version of "live with the virus" I reckon its just a matter of time before everyone has contracted it at least once. Bit like the flu or cold. Then its just a matter of how your body deals with it and that is going to be largely influenced by vaccine status.
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Post by: D4D on September 27, 2021, 07:57:02 AM
Its the little things we all miss and the one thing that is a major concern is the kids schooling and the like.

100%, I have seen a change in my son this last term and it's not a good one

Under the new version of "live with the virus" I reckon its just a matter of time before everyone has contracted it at least once. Bit like the flu or cold. Then its just a matter of how your body deals with it and that is going to be largely influenced by vaccine status.

Yup, neighbour is double jabbed and tested positive last week. Nobody else she came into contact with has it. She said it's just like a medium winter cold.
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Post by: Bird on September 27, 2021, 09:28:07 AM
Quote from: D4D
100%, I have seen a change in my son this last term and it's not a good one
we just had this chat here at work... several ladies here with ~10yr old kids are all saying similar - changes in attitudes, care factors, willingness..

Even harder- can you imagine doing Yr 12 right now after the year and interruptions to schooling etc... ?
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Post by: gronk on September 27, 2021, 09:53:51 AM
we just had this chat here at work... several ladies here with ~10yr old kids are all saying similar - changes in attitudes, care factors, willingness..

Even harder- can you imagine doing Yr 12 right now after the year and interruptions to schooling etc... ?

I haven’t seen my daughter or new grand daughter for 5 mths….and she only lives an hr away.
But it is what it is……we all complain about the little things in life we are missing out on, but are failing to keep our eye on the big picture…..saving lives…..possibly lots of lives.

I put it in perspective when I think of the stories of WW2…..when the govt told people to darken their windows and keep their houses dark during the night. Did people get sick of being cooped up inside…..I’m sure they did……did they sneak outside and shine a torch skywards….I’m sure they didn’t.

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Post by: Bird on September 27, 2021, 10:22:09 AM
blah blah blah blah.
your happy with things... all the power to you...
I'm not as are a growing number of people.
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Post by: D4D on September 27, 2021, 11:08:01 AM
we just had this chat here at work... several ladies here with ~10yr old kids are all saying similar - changes in attitudes, care factors, willingness..

Even harder- can you imagine doing Yr 12 right now after the year and interruptions to schooling etc... ?

Yup, we're fortunate that my son's school has a fairly good online learning program and his teacher this year has been fantastic. On the positive side it has taught him to be a self sufficient learner and a little bit more resilience. On the negative side it is going to be hard to unwind the lack of physical activity and getting his head out of a screen and actually talking/playing with his mates again.
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Post by: gronk on September 27, 2021, 12:10:45 PM
your happy with things... all the power to you...
I'm not as are a growing number of people.

I’m not happy with things. You missed the point of my post…..an unprecedented thing has happened to the world not seen in over a hundred years and people are complaining about not being able to go out and buy an ice cream !!

I was diagnosed with DHDLBCL in March, and instead of whinging about 5 months of friggin chemo, I think about the poor kids who get the same disease…brings life back into perspective a bit !!
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Post by: #jonesy on September 27, 2021, 05:35:40 PM
Yup, neighbour is double jabbed and tested positive last week. Nobody else she came into contact with has it. She said it's just like a medium winter cold.
Guy at work also tested positive and double jabbed.  His description is a bad cold.  No one else in his house has tested positive, even though it was a couple of days between exposure and test.

Even worse, I am a primary close contact and have 14 days in quarantine (3 to go).  Even worse he went to an exposure site the day after he was last at work, which is where he would of caught it. But very quick onsite caught me in the net. 
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 28, 2021, 03:48:06 AM
In times past, a lot of kids who, these days, would be going to a formal, were being transported to a foreign country to fight in a war.
Kind of suggests, as tough as it might be at present for the kids and adults, lots have done it tougher and for much longer in the past.
Kids 15, fudging their age to help fight a war.
Look at stuff like WW2 will the bombings in England.
Relentless bombings night after night.
Wondering if your house was still standing.
Crammed in air raid shelters for the night, night after night.
Air raid sirens howling, to warn you another hail of bombs were about to be dropped on you hour after hour.
You can't tell me this is worse than back then.
Lots of families, never saw family members ever again..... killed, or MIA
Soldiers coming home shell shocked.... one minute they were normal citizens, the next, a trained killing machine.
Not hearing from family members for massive amounts of time..... wondering every day if they were dead.
Soldiers returning with horrific injuries.... unable to ever work again.
The communication they had back then was a phone or a letter.
Look at the communication we have now.


If this pandemic has told us one thing, its we would be friggin hopeless if a major war broke out again.

We are by far, one of the luckiest/safest countries on the planet. Be thankful.

 

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Post by: D4D on September 28, 2021, 06:49:45 AM
We are by far, one of the luckiest/safest countries on the planet. Be thankful.

The back in my day rhetoric doesn't work on a 10 year old...
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 28, 2021, 07:25:23 AM
The back in my day rhetoric doesn't work on a 10 year old...

I don't have kids, so i have no idea what works on a kid these days.
All i know, was back when i was 10, i did what i was told most of the time.

I scored a sore arse for the times i chose to buck the system. (IE: Dad)

Mind you, kids were way easier entertained in 1970 too.
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Post by: Marcus73 on September 28, 2021, 08:17:17 AM
I totally agree with both Jeep’s and D4D on this one. While there’s no doubt the kids did it a lot tougher back in the day, it sure as Shit doesn’t help the kids of today.


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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 28, 2021, 08:23:47 AM
I totally agree with both Jeep’s and D4D on this one. While there’s no doubt the kids did it a lot tougher back in the day, it sure as Shit doesn’t help the kids of today.


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I do think, the kids of today, have life served up to them on a platter.
Not saying its any one persons fault, but kids of today don't go without much.

And that, is where a lot of the problems are.

Lockdowns might be a good time to do some good old history lessons.

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Post by: GeoffA on September 28, 2021, 08:27:37 AM
I do think, the kids of today, have life served up to them on a platter.
......

Luxury...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE)
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Post by: D4D on September 28, 2021, 08:30:32 AM
I totally agree with both Jeep’s and D4D on this one. While there’s no doubt the kids did it a lot tougher back in the day, it sure as Shit doesn’t help the kids of today.

I'm fairly old school and quite often find myself using the 'toughen up' and 'back in my day' talk track. Since lockdown I've been riding on Zwift with a group called Knights of Suburbia who are about physical and mental health, with a focus on suicide prevention. The 'just toughen up' talk track actually does more harm than good as people are unwilling to discuss their issues openly for fear of being ridiculed, same goes with the 'back in my day' talk track. I understand for some people this might seem foreign however when you consider the current situation and the increased suicide rate, a different strategy is required than what has worked before. It is quite eye opening to be on a group ride and have people talk through how they were going to end their lives and how a conversation with somebody actually listening to them rather than provide a solution helped. YMMV

https://knightsofsuburbia.com/about/ (https://knightsofsuburbia.com/about/)
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Post by: Marcus73 on September 28, 2021, 08:35:12 AM
I do think, the kids of today, have life served up to them on a platter.
Not saying its any one persons fault, but kids of today don't go without much.

And that, is where a lot of the problems are.

Lockdowns might be a good time to do some good old history lessons.
Oh 100%, but our society only has itself to blame for that. Let’s face it, is “oldies” don’t get it too tough these days either. I’m heading off to rough it in the bush with my diesel heated camper and hot shower system


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Post by: plusnq on September 28, 2021, 10:31:10 AM
Oh 100%, but our society only has itself to blame for that. Let’s face it, is “oldies” don’t get it too tough these days either. I’m heading off to rough it in the bush with my diesel heated camper and hot shower system


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What….no electric blanket?
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Post by: alnjan on September 28, 2021, 10:38:52 AM
This makes me think of the memes and the comment that goes with it. 

 The quote, from a postapocalyptic novel by the author G. Michael Hopf


“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”
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Post by: Steffo1 on September 28, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
Please consider.

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Post by: Rodt on September 28, 2021, 11:39:50 AM
Came across this map for NSW vaccination rates by suburb / postcode that may be of interest to some. Percentages are not very accurate but it gives you an idea

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/find-the-facts-about-covid-19#map-of-nsw-vaccinations-by-home-postcode-and-lga (https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/find-the-facts-about-covid-19#map-of-nsw-vaccinations-by-home-postcode-and-lga)

Cheers
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Post by: Bird on September 28, 2021, 12:58:21 PM
One thing that they are not talking about as much as they should is the suicide rate...

Just been on phone to mate for few hours he was saying hes had 2 clients 30ish yr old sons take their lives in recent weeks... and his girlfriends kid doing yr 12 knows of a few teenage kids take their lives recently.
Also been chattin regularly to contractor at work whose doing it tuff after all this Shit and marriage break up ....
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Post by: D4D on September 28, 2021, 01:49:13 PM
One thing that they are not talking about as much as they should is the suicide rate...

Unfortunately there will be more and lots of existing support services are over whelmed. Check in with your mates and ask R U OK.
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Post by: edz on September 28, 2021, 01:56:26 PM
Luxury...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE)




 Soon as you posted that word " LUXURY  " I instantly thought of the Pythons skit ..even without going to the link.. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Marcus73 on September 28, 2021, 04:03:41 PM
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Post by: Snow on September 28, 2021, 05:20:43 PM
Too good to not share.  ;D
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Post by: MDS69 on September 28, 2021, 08:53:00 PM
. On the negative side it is going to be hard to unwind the lack of physical activity and getting his head out of a screen and actually talking/playing with his mates again.

I feel your pain. My 15yo son goes to a sports high school and made the NSW side for his chosen sport earlier this year so trained around 10-12 hours a week pre Covid and I can’t even get him to take the dog for a walk. To say he is lazy is an understatement. He completes his school work in 1.5-2.0 hours and spends the rest of his day gaming or in front of a screen watching YouTube or whatever. One saving grace is his school has given permission for him to pick up shifts for his part time job during school hours so that gets him out of the house and conversing face to face with peers etc. I feel for parents working from home with primary school age kids trying to home school.
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Post by: edz on September 29, 2021, 01:24:57 PM
Just had the Distemper shot at the Vets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ejjuNrRmY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ejjuNrRmY)  .
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Post by: Pottsy on September 29, 2021, 01:45:35 PM
I know they are recalling nurses, wanna hope you don’t get this old girl.
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Post by: Bird on September 30, 2021, 09:10:58 AM
Victoria records 1438 COVID-19 cases, five deaths

Case numbers hit quadruple figures for the first time - a record for Victoria and less than 200 cases off the nation’s highest ever tally. WE WON!!
 
Heading the right direction ??? how good is lockdown
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Post by: edz on September 30, 2021, 11:04:08 AM
QLD is waitng till the Footy Grand final is over this week end  and they will join you ..
So much for the Borders reopening ..
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Post by: Bird on September 30, 2021, 01:51:50 PM
QLD is waitng till the Footy Grand final is over this week end  and they will join you ..
but where will it be....
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Post by: Robbo on September 30, 2021, 11:50:28 PM
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Post by: Bird on October 01, 2021, 09:38:10 AM
Quote from: edz
QLD is waitng till the Footy Grand final is over this week end  and they will join you ..
Surprisingly - they just said they wont move it - they'll postpone it.. good for those who have arranged travel/accommodation etc.
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Post by: wakychapmans on October 01, 2021, 01:18:39 PM
the NSW leader of the *GOLD STANDARD* had resigned.

will be interesting to see how this plays out going forward...

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Post by: Spada on October 01, 2021, 01:26:01 PM
Surprisingly - they just said they wont move it - they'll postpone it.. good for those who have arranged travel/accommodation etc.

Mrs PalletJack said today -
Quote
"So there's no ifs and buts here, people. This is serious. So it's going to depend whether we see any unlinked community transmission over the next 24 to 48 hours."
with the grand final being played at Lang Park in a touch over 48h, I'd say there is absolutely ZERO chance of Qld going into lockdown before Monday  >:D
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Post by: Bird on October 01, 2021, 01:30:03 PM
the NSW leader of the *GOLD STANDARD* had resigned.

will be interesting to see how this plays out going forward...
yea ICAC not covid...

An emotional NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced her shock departure from the top job following a bombshell announcement the ICAC was looking into her conduct.

(https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/bf/bf4341d0a43f0dcaa405fcd1c2324670.jpeg)
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Post by: #jonesy on October 02, 2021, 07:19:47 AM
In Vic all Authorised workers now must be vaccinated.  Which means anyone who wants to work, anywhere
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Post by: Bird on October 02, 2021, 11:21:11 AM
Quote from: #jonesy
In Vic all Authorised workers now must be vaccinated.  Which means anyone who wants to work, anywhere
Its going to be interesting at work with 1 woman who flies the Anti flag like nobody else I've seen... She is the only Anti at our work.
The email went out late Friday telling everyone about the new requirements..
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Post by: Bird on October 02, 2021, 11:31:13 AM
I guess we can cancel our clubs tri-annual trip to Beachport South Aussie this November long weekend

Victoria has reported its highest jump in daily cases since the beginning of this outbreak, with 1488 locally-acquired cases announced today.

Meanwhile, NSW recorded 864 new Covid cases and 15 deaths yesterday
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Post by: D4D on October 02, 2021, 03:44:21 PM
I guess we can cancel our clubs tri-annual trip to Beachport South Aussie this November long weekend

Victoria has reported its highest jump in daily cases since the beginning of this outbreak, with 1488 locally-acquired cases announced today.

Yup we're not going anywhere soon. Christmas in lockdown, ho ho ho...
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Post by: Bird on October 02, 2021, 03:48:42 PM
Quote from: D4D
Yup we're not going anywhere soon. Christmas in lockdown, ho ho ho...

Reading Duggies plan for the annual makes me cry :(
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Post by: duggie on October 03, 2021, 07:53:00 AM
Reading Duggies plan for the annual makes me cry :(


I do care Bird , I really do .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on October 03, 2021, 10:16:51 AM
Victoria has recorded 1220 new Covid-19 infections on Sunday. Cases are still way above the 1000 mark and now higher than NSW but down on Saturday’s 1488 infections.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on October 03, 2021, 10:27:35 AM
AusPost not accepting parcels for 5 days to clear their backlog due to Covid-19. Don't they understand people are going to keep buying stuff during those 5 days?

On the flip side, DHL 5 days from Germany to me, Auspost 14 days and counting from Dromana to me...
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Post by: GeoffA on October 03, 2021, 10:30:57 AM
AusPost not accepting parcels for 5 days to clear their backlog due to Covid-19. Don't they understand people are going to keep buying stuff during those 5 days?
......

Maybe, possibly, they need to increase their capacity?
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Post by: D4D on October 03, 2021, 10:39:26 AM
Maybe, possibly, they need to increase their capacity?

That would negatively impact their cost of sale...
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Post by: Bird on October 03, 2021, 10:47:50 AM
Maybe, possibly, they need to increase their capacity?
reported other day they were trying to hire 1000s more staff to cover ... cant see much change

amazon have hired 1000 more.. wonder where all these people are coming from or it it just click bait
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Post by: D4D on October 03, 2021, 11:17:32 AM
amazon have hired 1000 more.. wonder where all these people are coming from or it it just click bait

Lots of industries shut down and people are taking jobs to make ends meet
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Post by: #jonesy on October 04, 2021, 05:25:37 AM
Item I bought from Sydney and received on the 15th, then "in transit to Somerton" on the 18th, and no just "delayed"

From their website
For all other deliveries, please get in touch if ?your:

domestic item?hasn't arrived within 15 business days of the estimated delivery time


The initial delivery estimate was nearly 2 weeks to start with
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Post by: Bird on October 04, 2021, 09:04:56 AM
Victoria has recorded 1220 new Covid-19 infections on Sunday. Cases are still way above the 1000 mark and now higher than NSW but down on Saturday’s 1488 infections.

It comes as Victoria recorded 1377 cases and four deaths on Monday, following the record 1448 infections confirmed on Saturday.



Be interesting to see how Shitney goes after NRL final if they go up like Vic did..
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Post by: wakychapmans on October 04, 2021, 09:20:09 AM
That would negatively impact their cost of sale...

our lunchtime Australia Post freight pickup didn't show on Wednesday last week, so I call them at 1.30pm.

"we've had an *outbreak* at the Nepean mail centre... no pick ups until Tuesday."

(and then the driver rocked up as usual on Friday)
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Post by: Hairs on October 04, 2021, 11:11:48 AM


Be interesting to see how Shitney goes after NRL final if they go up like Vic did..
Going by the pictures on the idiot box of last nights celebrations in Penrith,
It doesn't look like it can be good.
:(
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Post by: D4D on October 04, 2021, 02:12:26 PM
Australia Post general manager of corporate affairs, Michelle Skehan, told the morning radio program that the picture from the distribution centre “looks a little bit terrifying”, as online shopping booms in Victoria. “It is very orderly and they are massive facilities, but look, it’s not a great situation we’ve found ourselves in,”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/australia-post-delivery-delays-revealed-in-terrifying-photo/news-story/53d4a3bbdb87bf3bd35f9f86636eff3b (https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/australia-post-delivery-delays-revealed-in-terrifying-photo/news-story/53d4a3bbdb87bf3bd35f9f86636eff3b)

(https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/c690a9c6f358aa45618822b9ead5dd5c)
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Post by: vern on October 04, 2021, 02:21:01 PM
It comes as Victoria recorded 1377 cases and four deaths on Monday, following the record 1448 infections confirmed on Saturday.



Be interesting to see how Shitney goes after NRL final if they go up like Vic did..
I think Shitney will be ok, they don't do sport up here like back home in Victoria, not even close.

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Post by: bob65 on October 04, 2021, 03:27:08 PM
I know there was lots of footage on the tv of people running around in the streets of Sydney, but you do realise the grand final was played in Brisbane, don't you?
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Post by: Bird on October 04, 2021, 03:59:18 PM
I know there was lots of footage on the tv of people running around in the streets of Sydney, but you do realise the grand final was played in Brisbane, don't you?
against 2 sydney teams.. :)
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Post by: bob65 on October 04, 2021, 05:22:46 PM
against 2 sydney teams.. :)

Yes mate.

I think from July on all the NRL games were played in Queensland because of the covid situation in NSW
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Post by: Hairs on October 04, 2021, 06:48:19 PM
Yes mate.

I think from July on all the NRL games were played in Queensland because of the kung flu in NSW
It was.
;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on October 05, 2021, 11:30:21 AM
Yup we're not going anywhere soon. Christmas in lockdown, ho ho ho...
Victoria reports national record of 1763 new cases,

Daniel Andrews said Victoria was still on track, if not ahead of schedule, to meet its October and November vaccination targets.
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Post by: alnjan on October 05, 2021, 02:11:03 PM
Victoria reports national record of 1763 new cases,

Daniel Andrews said Victoria was still on track, if not ahead of schedule, to meet its October and November vaccination targets.

As the NSW numbers continue to fall.   The Stay at Home restrictions seem to have worked as opposed to the hard lock down that some people were demanding in NSW.   No to get rid of all the restrictions and open the State back up again. 
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Post by: Bird on October 05, 2021, 04:29:05 PM
interesting if its true.

Quote
Wuhan high school classes shut over mystery virus as early as November 2019
In early November 2019, Wuhan doctor Wang Lei was treating patients in the city as a mysterious illness began to take hold.

While medics soon realised they were facing a new coronavirus, they were forbidden from speaking out about it, with Covid-19 only officially being declared a pandemic months later, in March 2020.

But according to Dr Wang, there was a chilling sign the city was not facing an ordinary flu back in that first month.

In Sharri Markson’s explosive new book, What Really Happened in Wuhan, Dr Wang – whose name has been changed for his own protection – told the Sky News reporter a flu alert was sent to doctors in November warning them of a severe influenza.

But already there were clues this was something far worse, with some high school classes also shutting down in early November – something which would never happen over a mere flu outbreak.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/wuhan-high-school-classes-shut-over-mystery-virus-as-early-as-november-2019/news-story/419453a881bd7d92209d42966cb7b6a1 (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/wuhan-high-school-classes-shut-over-mystery-virus-as-early-as-november-2019/news-story/419453a881bd7d92209d42966cb7b6a1)
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on October 06, 2021, 03:29:49 AM
how would you ever know if it was true or not.

The truth went the way of the Dodo bird long ago.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on October 06, 2021, 05:17:07 AM
Even if it is true what does it matter?
Does it mean we can no longer trust China?
We know it started in or near Wuhan some time in December 2019.  All this means is it was a bit earlier.  Still doesn't change anything
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on October 06, 2021, 05:41:36 AM
I don't think there's a whole lot you can trust as far as China is concerned.

Having said that, i think that would apply to most/all countries anyway.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on October 07, 2021, 08:36:26 AM
Were still going the wrong direction

Victoria records 1638 cases and two deaths

Maybe easter is still out of the question...
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Post by: Pottsy on October 07, 2021, 09:11:01 AM
Were still going the wrong direction

Victoria records 1638 cases and two deaths

Maybe easter is still out of the question...

You need to change Premier, seems to work in NSW with a raft of changes announced today.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on October 07, 2021, 09:43:10 AM
Were still going the wrong direction

Victoria records 1638 cases and two deaths

Maybe easter is still out of the question...

I don't understand that.... you guys are in lockdown....aren't you?

It only spreads if folks are moving around.
Is it anti everything whack jobs causing it or some other reason.

NSW seemed to haul their cases back pretty quickly..... not so the Vics.

Buggered if i know. ???
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on October 07, 2021, 09:48:24 AM
I don't understand that.... you guys are in lockdown....aren't you?

It only spreads if folks are moving around.
Is it anti everything whack jobs causing it or some other reason.

NSW seemed to haul their cases back pretty quickly..... not so the Vics.

Buggered if i know. ???

Problem down here is that everyone is so over it. The majority are still doing the right things and getting the jab. Some are not and this is the problem. Everyone is mentally and physically drained. My workload at work has tripled on a construction site and its checks and measures to ensure we all are safe and protected.

GG
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Post by: D4D on October 07, 2021, 10:01:35 AM
I don't understand that.... you guys are in lockdown....aren't you?

It only spreads if folks are moving around.
Is it anti everything whack jobs causing it or some other reason.

Hotspots are in areas where there is a large population of service oriented essential service workers. There are 3 local gov areas where cases are tripling every day. Do you deal with the cases or shutdown essential services...
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Post by: Bird on October 08, 2021, 12:21:31 PM
While Vic sinks with 1800

NSW gets ready
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/restaurants-bars/bondi-pub-offering-beers-from-1201am-on-monday-as-freedom-day-preparations-get-underway/news-story/73a7c7929a8a2da38bfd11ec4bbc6d46 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/restaurants-bars/bondi-pub-offering-beers-from-1201am-on-monday-as-freedom-day-preparations-get-underway/news-story/73a7c7929a8a2da38bfd11ec4bbc6d46)
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Post by: wakychapmans on October 08, 2021, 01:19:50 PM
You need to change Premier, seems to work in NSW with a raft of changes announced today.

all that's changed here is the story. New guy wants to be seen to be doing *something*...

if the Shit hits the fan in the 2-4 weeks following the re-open... then we'll all know he was a moron.

A lot of Sydney people are worried about the lifting of restrictions...
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Post by: MarkGU on October 08, 2021, 04:38:48 PM
NOT HAPPY AT ALL  >:( >:(

Had my first dose of Pfizer today  :-[











My 5G hasnt improved one iota  ;D
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Post by: Bad Scott on October 08, 2021, 04:51:00 PM
Should've got the Moderna one. I got a sat phone now

Sent from .............. Somewhere in Australia

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Post by: MarkGU on October 08, 2021, 05:09:06 PM
Should've got the Moderna one. I got a sat phone now

Sent from .............. Somewhere in Australia
oh, i forgot............the car door stuck to my arm coming home  :laugh:
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Post by: Bad Scott on October 08, 2021, 05:19:31 PM
oh, i forgot............the car door stuck to my arm coming home 
What ever floats ya boat. If ya attracted to a door, ya attracted to a door

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Post by: MarkGU on October 08, 2021, 05:28:02 PM
What ever floats ya boat. If ya attracted to a door, ya attracted to a door

Sent from .............. Somewhere in Australia
says you who is camping in the middle of nowhere.
Must get lonely out there all by ones little self  ;D ;D
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Post by: alnjan on October 08, 2021, 08:11:49 PM
all that's changed here is the story. New guy wants to be seen to be doing *something*...

if the Shit hits the fan in the 2-4 weeks following the re-open... then we'll all know he was a moron.

A lot of Sydney people are worried about the lifting of restrictions...


When you actually read the changes there is not the fear some have with the changes
 
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Post by: Bird on October 09, 2021, 10:34:46 AM
Will we crack 2000 tomorrow ??
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Post by: Hairs on October 09, 2021, 12:47:57 PM
Will we crack 2000 tomorrow ??
Not looking good.
:(
Hang in there.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on October 09, 2021, 04:40:01 PM
Will we crack 2000 tomorrow ??

Hate to think it Bird, 2000 is not the worry, lets see what its like in a week. Went out today and the number of people in large groups without masks on is crazy. I hope I am proven wrong

GG
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Post by: GeoffA on October 09, 2021, 04:41:26 PM
Will we crack 2000 tomorrow ??

...or 3000?
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Post by: corndog on October 09, 2021, 04:48:07 PM
Will we crack 2000 tomorrow ??

Depends if we run out of the protest and grand final mobs. Would say that they have been a big contributor to this. Won't surprise me if we go past 2000. More the point when will it turn around.

Hate to think it Bird, 2000 is not the worry, lets see what its like in a week. Went out today and the number of people in large groups without masks on is crazy. I hope I am proven wrong

GG

That is the big problem. A lot of people just don't care any more.
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Post by: Hairs on October 09, 2021, 05:48:08 PM
Cases now in Grafton Schools.
The Clarence Valley has, up until know kept to ourselves.
Why the hell do people believe they have a right to travel?
I over heard a conversation in front of the Wespac auto teller last week in Maclean.
A woman said to her friend(another woman) with kids in tow,
"We need to take money out before we head back to Port Macquarie"
WTF?

Now, I feel for you guys in Melbourne, Sydney, this nightmare keeps giving, this is why it does.
Brain deed breeders are breeding more.

This Shite, ain't going away because of Arrogance from the uneducated.


Hey, stay safe Swaggers.
We'll do our part to help in this cluster F$%#.


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Post by: D4D on October 09, 2021, 05:51:46 PM
There's been so much focus on getting vax'd people now think they're indestructible.
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Post by: Bird on October 09, 2021, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: D4D
There's been so much focus on getting vax'd people now think they're indestructible.
Possibly but I think its more to do with GG's answer
Problem down here is that everyone is so over it. The majority are still doing the right things and getting the jab. Some are not and this is the problem. Everyone is mentally and physically drained.


Could it be those that are going to get jabbed would have had it by now - I dunno, its possible...  They've had months to get it done - are people still lining up in their 100's to get jabbed?
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Post by: Hairs on October 09, 2021, 06:10:18 PM
There's been so much focus on getting vax'd people now think they're indestructible.
Agree, They believe that.
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Post by: corndog on October 09, 2021, 06:14:03 PM
Am thinking the question is changing from "if I catch it" to "when I catch it".
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Post by: bob65 on October 09, 2021, 06:19:57 PM
Am thinking the question is changing from "if I catch it" to "when I catch it".

I agree. I don't think this is going to go away. I think everyone will catch it sooner or later, vaxed or unvaxed.
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Post by: alnjan on October 09, 2021, 06:41:09 PM
I agree. I don't think this is going to go away. I think everyone will catch it sooner or later, vaxed or unvaxed.

Yep, that's the way it works everywhere else, don't see why Australia should be any different.   

To protect yourself get vaccinated and use whatever safe guards you want or can.   

With Breakthrough Cases, where those fully vaccinated get infected are also contagious and will continue to spread the virus.   that is sure to upset a few.   
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Post by: Hairs on October 09, 2021, 07:12:15 PM


To protect yourself get vaccinated and use whatever safe guards you want.
Unfortunately, we, yes all of us have to rethink what we do, how we interact with others.
The perfect storm.
 
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Post by: D4D on October 09, 2021, 07:27:37 PM
With Breakthrough Cases, where those fully vaccinated get infected are also contagious and will continue to spread the virus.   that is sure to upset a few.   

My neighbour is double vax'd and she caught it from an unknown source. Lasted about 10 days, she said is was like a heavy winter cold.
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Post by: Raym on October 09, 2021, 07:44:06 PM
Daughter who is locked down in Vic spotted this.

Is an Instagram thing not sure if link will work. Caufield race meeting.

https://scontent.fsyd9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/245160106_1291433957962402_2010192016988128958_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=n5V__3_udmoAX-tyqPz&tn=YCyErhBqDrbzNfVv&_nc_ht=scontent.fsyd9-1.fna&oh=f04e019190e9a7863377fa63fb4c44af&oe=6185073F (https://scontent.fsyd9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/245160106_1291433957962402_2010192016988128958_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=n5V__3_udmoAX-tyqPz&tn=YCyErhBqDrbzNfVv&_nc_ht=scontent.fsyd9-1.fna&oh=f04e019190e9a7863377fa63fb4c44af&oe=6185073F)

Sorry is a Facebook link
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Post by: Foo on October 09, 2021, 07:49:46 PM
My neighbour is double vax'd and she caught it from an unknown source. Lasted about 10 days, she said is was like a heavy winter cold.

That's what the Virologists have been saying all along.  ;)

Foo
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Post by: Raym on October 09, 2021, 07:53:00 PM
The car park.

https://scontent.fsyd9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/244616545_299962465293078_7828275652142877512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=4u2Pqd3RiKMAX9Y3gdj&tn=YCyErhBqDrbzNfVv&_nc_ht=scontent.fsyd9-1.fna&oh=2d398f2511d0dbc09ff56ae4ddaf5fee&oe=618671C5 (https://scontent.fsyd9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/244616545_299962465293078_7828275652142877512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=4u2Pqd3RiKMAX9Y3gdj&tn=YCyErhBqDrbzNfVv&_nc_ht=scontent.fsyd9-1.fna&oh=2d398f2511d0dbc09ff56ae4ddaf5fee&oe=618671C5)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on October 09, 2021, 08:13:39 PM
My neighbour is double vax'd and she caught it from an unknown source. Lasted about 10 days, she said is was like a heavy winter cold.

And that is part of the problem.   While the Vaccine protects you, you also have the 'problem' that if you get a breakthrough case, you may think you just have a 'cold' and leave it at that.   Without being cautious and getting tested, how long can they be contagious without know it.   
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Post by: gronk on October 09, 2021, 08:20:28 PM
I agree. I don't think this is going to go away. I think everyone will catch it sooner or later, vaxed or unvaxed.

Spanish flu……infected only 1/3 of people….500 million…..and killed 50 million.
So, lots of people won’t catch it..vaxxed or unvaxxed.
But even if the death rate isn’t like the Spanish flu at 1 in 10, would you want to be unvaxxed ??
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Post by: Moggy on October 10, 2021, 07:08:36 AM
NOT HAPPY AT ALL  >:( >:(

Had my first dose of Pfizer today  :-[











My 5G hasnt improved one iota  ;D
You should have what she's had(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211009/309db2f15eeb98ed5f58983a11cd0ba3.jpg)

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on October 10, 2021, 08:29:15 AM
My neighbour is double vax'd and she caught it from an unknown source. Lasted about 10 days, she said is was like a heavy winter cold.
Guy at work said the same when he caught it.  But no one caught it off him,, including his family, so may be that you aren't overly contagious
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on October 10, 2021, 08:38:05 AM
Guy at work said the same when he caught it.  But no one caught it off him,, including his family, so may be that you aren't overly contagious

Know a family that got it last week…wife and 2 kids got it….took 4 days for the husband and other kid to get it.
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Post by: edz on October 10, 2021, 11:58:18 AM
Covid Rules dont / shouldnt apply to me, Only to those Anti Vaxxers  " Im Vaxxed and fully protected " attitude is something that Shites me on a daily basis at work ..
9 out of 10 of the vaxxed, I get to deal with seem to think they are totaly protected and safe from ever getting sick or spreading it  ..

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Post by: Hairs on October 10, 2021, 01:06:01 PM


9 out of 10 of the vaxxed, I get to deal with seem to think they are totaly protected and safe from ever getting sick or spreading it  ..
Yep,
They're just as stupid as the anti Vaxxers.
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Post by: bob65 on October 10, 2021, 01:22:07 PM
All the fully vaxxed people I know are fully aware that they can still catch it and pass it on.

What gives them the confidence is that they have been told that if they catch it then it will most likely be less severe.

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Post by: Bird on October 11, 2021, 09:04:42 AM
1612...
heading in the right direction for once.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bad Scott on October 11, 2021, 09:22:01 AM
1612...
heading in the right direction for once.
Still way way way to high

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: BaseCamp on October 11, 2021, 09:42:34 AM
All the fully vaxxed people I know are fully aware that they can still catch it and pass it on.

What gives them the confidence is that they have been told that if they catch it then it will most likely be less severe.

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Absolutely correct ... hopefully not at death's door -  needing a ventilator/ICU bed amidst potentially crumbling public hospital, (aka think India), infrastructure....


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Post by: Bird on October 11, 2021, 09:55:04 AM
Quote from: SJindustries
Still way way way to high
yea but better than the 2000 I was thinking was going to happen
Wait till after the all important ****in horse race coming up they've approved as a spreader event in a few weeks.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on October 11, 2021, 10:07:05 AM
yea but better than the 2000 I was thinking was going to happen
Wait till after the all important ****in horse race coming up they've approved as a spreader event in a few weeks.

Saw that last night, you can put 10,000 peole in one area but we will not be able to leave melbourne and go camping at a private property and have a weekend to ourselves. Becoming a bit of a joke

GG
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Post by: bob65 on October 11, 2021, 10:13:35 AM
Don't you know that you can't catch covid at a sporting event?

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Post by: Pottsy on October 11, 2021, 10:20:01 AM
1612...
heading in the right direction for once.

Weekend testing?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on October 11, 2021, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: GGV8Cruza
Saw that last night, you can put 10,000 peole in one area but we will not be able to leave melbourne and go camping at a private property and have a weekend to ourselves. Becoming a bit of a joke

This to look forward to when the doors open again...
QUeue up at midnight to get a new kettle.



https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/fury-as-reopened-nsw-kmart-stores-flooded-with-shoppers/news-story/0b9c80212227d25c5d96c6b65a796ea4 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/fury-as-reopened-nsw-kmart-stores-flooded-with-shoppers/news-story/0b9c80212227d25c5d96c6b65a796ea4)
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on October 11, 2021, 12:29:04 PM
Yeah, that's the first place I'm going when we're allowed out..... ::)
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Post by: Kangaron on October 11, 2021, 02:49:11 PM
they've approved as a spreader event in a few weeks.

Not as big a spreader event as that has been approved in NSW.
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Post by: Kangaron on October 11, 2021, 02:54:17 PM

Wait till after the all important ****in horse race coming up

But not 10,000 punters, first come the members and corporates, then trainers, staff and families.
The racing industry has not missed a beat all the way through.  ???
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Post by: Marcus73 on October 11, 2021, 04:50:49 PM
But not 10,000 punters, first come the members and corporates, then trainers, staff and families.
The racing industry has not missed a beat all the way through.  ???
I’m quite sure that would have absolutely nothing to do with them still getting their money from the punters via online betting though of course.
Bloody ridiculous some of the rules / allowances


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Post by: Bird on October 11, 2021, 06:01:15 PM
Yeah, that's the first place I'm going when we're allowed out..... ::)
I reckon some would have gone just to get out o the house and browse... the majority would have needed clothes and stuff..  the  online shopping or clothes has fur on it IMWO.
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Post by: D4D on October 11, 2021, 06:55:51 PM
Yeah, that's the first place I'm going when we're allowed out..... ::)

Yeah, it should have been Bunnings :)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on October 12, 2021, 04:47:35 PM
So, à few businesses around Maclean & Grafton are requesting proof that you've been double Vaxed, no entry.
Where as two days ago it wasn't a problem to qr code in, mask and conduct your business.
RFS have requested all members upload/enter into their member account which vax, and the dates.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on October 12, 2021, 04:57:20 PM
So, à few businesses around Maclean & Grafton are requesting proof that you've been double Vaxed, no entry.
Where as two days ago it wasn't a problem to qr code in, mask and conduct your business.
RFS have requested all members upload/enter into their member account which vax, and the dates.
Yep, its only going to grow!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on October 12, 2021, 05:44:19 PM
Yep, its only going to grow!
It is.
Talking with some businesses, owners as well as staff, they don't get why some are/can, yet others aren't asking of proof.
BTW, I've got my digital thingy from medicare.
It is what it is.

I see Vic has increased second dose by a fair bit & cases have dropped.
Hang in there.


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Post by: vern on October 12, 2021, 06:06:20 PM
So, à few businesses around Maclean & Grafton are requesting proof that you've been double Vaxed, no entry.
Where as two days ago it wasn't a problem to qr code in, mask and conduct your business.
RFS have requested all members upload/enter into their member account which vax, and the dates.
And the anti vaxxers at my work have downloaded their fake covid certifate too, is all this going to make a difference if they can get away with this? We need to scan in with a covid certificate qr code i think.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on October 12, 2021, 06:08:21 PM
And the anti vaxxers at my work have downloaded their fake covid certifate too, is all this going to make a difference if they can get away with this? We need to scan in with a covid certificate qr code i think.

The fake ones were probably released before the real certificates..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on October 12, 2021, 06:11:45 PM
I linked my certificate in to my Services Vic app.  Can't see how you can fake it as it has a flickering watermark, and the venue name
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: vern on October 12, 2021, 06:15:27 PM
I linked my certificate in to my Services Vic app.  Can't see how you can fake it as it has a flickering watermark, and the venue name
Mine doesn't have any of that

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on October 12, 2021, 06:27:40 PM
Make sure you update your app first. Then from in the app, there is a link to myGov.
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Post by: Hairs on October 12, 2021, 06:31:26 PM
Make sure you update your app first. Then from in the app, there is a link to myGov.
Yes.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: vern on October 12, 2021, 06:31:49 PM
Make sure you update your app first. Then from in the app, there is a link to myGov.
I downloaded it from my mygov account in the medicare section, then onto google pay, which i downloaded at the same time

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on October 12, 2021, 06:52:14 PM
what a deadset Shitfight to do it all
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on October 14, 2021, 05:09:14 AM
It is a bit clunky to do but it will be done to ensure that you can't load a fake one in to the app.  Once it is in there it works in the background and gives you the second green tick
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Post by: D4D on October 14, 2021, 06:39:39 AM
I'm not a fan my date of birth, aka universal PIN for all your services, is on display for all and sundry. It serves no purpose and I am surprised it got approved by the PII team.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on October 14, 2021, 09:03:23 AM
WOW

LIVE: 2297 cases, 11 deaths in Victoria | 406 cases, 6 deaths in NSW

still dont care.. Open th gates now... if you havent had ya vax and die, stiff Shit. you've had plenty of time to do it.
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Post by: Champin on October 14, 2021, 01:07:30 PM


WOW

LIVE: 2297 cases, 11 deaths in Victoria | 406 cases, 6 deaths in NSW

still dont care.. Open th gates now... if you havent had ya vax and die, stiff Shit. you've had plenty of time to do it.

I totally agree. It's time to save all the small businesses we can before they are lost forever. I think the decent people have suffered enough due to the selfish few placing everybodys mental and financial health at severe risk.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on October 14, 2021, 02:08:06 PM
And what about the people who can't get vaccinated, or are told by their doctors that the vaccination may be risky to them? Or is it a case of F#ck you Jack, I'll be OK?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on October 14, 2021, 02:12:01 PM
So are you suggesting we keep the status quo because of a few people that can't be vaccinated? And ignore those that are suffering in other ways?

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Post by: Rowlie on October 14, 2021, 02:51:22 PM
C'mon boys - I think we are all on the same page concerning vaccinations without drawing keyboards at 50 paces. I think the greatest source of frustration for most of us is the group who have no reason not to get the jab other than they are scared / conspiracy theorists / non believers etc. For those who have immune issues such as cancer sufferers etc they have been through enough already. If for no other reason we should all be doing our bit to help protect them by rolling our own sleeves up. "Herd immunity" is their greatest protection too.

We are now at a cross roads that has been coming for some time in Vic and we are soon going to discover which is the lesser of the evils. ie staying locked down or opening up. Remember we locked down for 6 infections a day and at the current rate it seems we will be opening up at 2000+. I feel sorry for the medicos at every level and anyone who has to look to them for assistance once the ship hits the span.
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Post by: Champin on October 14, 2021, 02:56:30 PM
I'm not duelling with anyone Rowlie, merely voicing my option. I understand those that are reluctant. I don't agree with them. But I do understand.

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Post by: Champin on October 14, 2021, 02:58:24 PM
Oh, and I'm not having a go at you Troopy. In any way shape or for

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Post by: edz on October 14, 2021, 03:33:17 PM
And what about the people who can't get vaccinated, or are told by their doctors that the vaccination may be risky to them? Or is it a case of F#ck you Jack, I'll be OK?



This is part of the problem..Wifes specialist " Under no circumstances do not get vaxxed / not safe for you " for months and months > Year later  ..recent Phone only check up [ due to QLD health cancelling our border passes ] , the nurse practitioner says get vaxxed asap .
" Ahh but the specialist has said xxxx " NP "  no its now all changed and you need to be vaxxed asap " ..
Can we speak to the specialist  " He isnt here today "  .
And they wonder why some people get worried .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on October 14, 2021, 03:54:34 PM
Quote from: Troopy_03
And what about the people who can't get vaccinated, or are told by their doctors that the vaccination may be risky to them?

If they can't get vaxxed that will never change will it?
Same if its risky - that wont change.

So what is the solution?  Stay locked down for ever?

Believe it or not, there are certain social groups who are enjoying not getting vaxxed "because we are being forced" for no reason not to just keeping required numbers down as long as they can as its holding up the X% required for others to enjoy life again.  The lady here at work is one of them as are her family and 'social media' groups she is on.

What do you do with those people? They have no intention of ever getting vaxxed for what ever reason - they could right now.
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Post by: Kangaron on October 14, 2021, 05:29:32 PM
About time they dropped the mandate.
A terrible word that invites rejection.
Let employers make it a condition of employment, just like working with children checks etc.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on October 14, 2021, 06:42:14 PM
Nothing compared to what you guys have, and are still going through in Vic :(
Monday NSW opened up, cases in Grafton went through the roof overnight.
Mayors of councils in the northern rivers have asked the premier that Sydney/greater Sydney people not travel here.
I doubt we can stop it spreading, it will become(as some of you have mentoned) apart of life. Our health/hospital services are at breaking point.
Hmmm, take care.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: austastar on October 15, 2021, 07:56:05 AM
Hi,
   Some twit, who had been refused twice, came in on the day's last flight, so no return flight to put him on. He then scarpers from overnight quarantine to the suburbs and was found hiding in his mates garage.
The moat mostly works.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/tas-supermarket-exposure-site-after-covid-positive-visit/100541130

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Post by: Bird on October 15, 2021, 09:07:47 AM
Quote from: austastar
   Some twit, who had been refused twice, came in on the day's last flight, so no return flight to put him on. He then scarpers from overnight quarantine to the suburbs and was found hiding in his mates garage.
The moat mostly works.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/tas-supermarket-exposure-site-after-covid-positive-visit/100541130

Cheers
I wish they would start making an example of these scum... it *MIGHT* deter others, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bmwfreak on October 15, 2021, 10:00:43 AM
Nothing compared to what you guys have, and are still going through in Vic :(
Monday NSW opened up, cases in Grafton went through the roof overnight.
Mayors of councils in the northern rivers have asked the premier that Sydney/greater Sydney people not travel here.
I doubt we can stop it spreading, it will become(as some of you have mentoned) apart of life. Our health/hospital services are at breaking point.
Hmmm, take care.
Got your wish. Now just a case of working out how to enforce it. From ABC News app -

‘This morning Deputy Premier Paul Toole announced the restart of regional travel for Greater Sydney residents had been pushed back to November 1.’
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Post by: Hairs on October 15, 2021, 10:14:04 AM
I have no idea how they can enforce it. :(

Crazy the amount of requests in local FB groups where people are asking for properties for sale, they don't want go through agents, cash waiting, can inspect NOW.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on October 15, 2021, 11:45:56 AM
Hi,
   Some twit, who had been refused twice, came in on the day's last flight, so no return flight to put him on. He then scarpers from overnight quarantine to the suburbs and was found hiding in his mates garage.
The moat mostly works.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/tas-supermarket-exposure-site-after-covid-positive-visit/100541130

Cheers

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Looking like a 3 day lockdown from 6:00 this evening...
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Post by: Bird on October 15, 2021, 01:03:05 PM
Quote from: Mace
Looking like a 3 day lockdown from 6:00 this evening...
Thats a bugger Mace. Hope it works.

https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/state-braces-for-threeday-snap-lockdown-after-hotel-breach/news-story/03e916f561c5e7540ff0310680e49170 (https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/state-braces-for-threeday-snap-lockdown-after-hotel-breach/news-story/03e916f561c5e7540ff0310680e49170)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on October 15, 2021, 01:22:31 PM
Thats a bugger Mace. Hope it works.


We may have been a day too late  in shutting down - due to lack of knowledge.

The thing that is really pi33ing locals off is that the offender hasnt engaged with authorities/contact tracers.  Any information about his whereabouts in the community has been provided by members of the public (who spotted him in said Woolworths).....

SHMBO gave up on shopping, and she was in the supermarket when the flag went up.  She reckons it was packed out within 15 minutes....
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Post by: Marcus73 on October 15, 2021, 01:29:39 PM
We may have been a day too late  in shutting down - due to lack of knowledge.

The thing that is really pi33ing locals off is that the offender hasnt engaged with authorities/contact tracers.  Any information about his whereabouts in the community has been provided by members of the public (who spotted him in said Woolworths).....

SHMBO gave up on shopping, and she was in the supermarket when the flag went up.  She reckons it was packed out within 15 minutes....
Unfortunately the offender will no doubt just get a few fines that he can’t afford to pay anyway and that’s about it. Put his picture up on social media I say, then maybe he may think twice about being such a twat again.


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Post by: austastar on October 15, 2021, 01:38:31 PM
Hi,
   Mrs was near the shops coming home, didn't bother with the crowds there. There is a weeks stuff in the camper, and she shopped yesterday.
Cheers

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Post by: Mace on October 15, 2021, 01:51:26 PM
Unfortunately the offender will no doubt just get a few fines that he can’t afford to pay anyway and that’s about it. Put his picture up on social media I say, then maybe he may think twice about being such a twat again.


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Have heard on the grapevine that he has several interstate warrants in place......  He and his mate also apparently went to a Pub in the suburbs...  His mate was put into home quarantine, which he apparently left for a time yesterday....

This pic is readily available on the Net...

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Post by: gronk on October 15, 2021, 02:25:52 PM


‘This morning Deputy Premier Paul Toole announced the restart of regional travel for Greater Sydney residents had been pushed back to November 1.’

So, the people of greater Sydney get punished because some regional areas are not up to speed with vaccination numbers, which just happens to be the places with the most antivax numbers.

I can see the hesitation of people not wanting an influx of people into their communities, but when those same people refuse the vax, who is supposed to feel sorry for them ?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on October 15, 2021, 03:54:16 PM
We(country folk) had vaccines redistributed to sydney for y12 students, that had a huge impact on those wanting to get vaxed.
The Clarence Valley has done a good job of vaccinations, we've also been swamped with Sydney siders migrating here to get out of the S#$% hole.
Sure, Lismore, Mullumbimby, have there anti vaxers, you can't put us in the same boat as them. The majority of us in small villages have been double vaccinated.
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Post by: vern on October 15, 2021, 04:02:09 PM
We(country folk) had vaccines redistributed to sydney for y12 students, that had a huge impact on those wanting to get vaxed.
The Clarence Valley has done a good job of vaccinations, we've also been swamped with Sydney siders migrating here to get out of the S#$% hole.
Sure, Lismore, Mullumbimby, have there anti vaxers, you can't put us in the same boat as them. The majority of us in small villages have been double vaccinated.
Exactly, and most of the time when we have had a covid case is because someone form Sydney has come up here looking for houses/property to buy instead of staying put

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on October 15, 2021, 06:12:33 PM
So, the people of greater Sydney get punished because some regional areas are not up to speed with vaccination numbers, which just happens to be the places with the most antivax numbers.

I can see the hesitation of people not wanting an influx of people into their communities, but when those same people refuse the vax, who is supposed to feel sorry for them ?

Got a link to support that?
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Post by: Bird on October 15, 2021, 06:15:53 PM
So, the people of greater Sydney get punished because some regional areas are not up to speed with vaccination numbers, which just happens to be the places with the most antivax numbers.

I can see the hesitation of people not wanting an influx of people into their communities, but when those same people refuse the vax, who is supposed to feel sorry for them ?
wait for plane loads from  overseas again.
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Post by: gronk on October 15, 2021, 09:25:35 PM
Got a link to support that?

Lismore, Byron Bay,  you can google the rest.
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Post by: alnjan on October 15, 2021, 10:06:06 PM
We(country folk) had vaccines redistributed to sydney for y12 students, that had a huge impact on those wanting to get vaxed.
The Clarence Valley has done a good job of vaccinations, we've also been swamped with Sydney siders migrating here to get out of the S#$% hole.
Sure, Lismore, Mullumbimby, have there anti vaxers, you can't put us in the same boat as them. The majority of us in small villages have been double vaccinated.

It's amazing the number of people crying this as why they are not vaccinated, either one shot or two.   When they cancelled our appointments we made alternate arrangements and before that appointment came up, we were contacted to say our original vaccine shots are back on.   If people wanted to get vaccinated they would have made arrangements to get at least one shot or both.   
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Post by: Bird on October 15, 2021, 10:27:55 PM
Quote from: alnjan
It's amazing the number of people crying this as why they are not vaccinated, either one shot or two.   When they cancelled our appointments we made alternate arrangements and before that appointment came up, we were contacted to say our original vaccine shots are back on.   If people wanted to get vaccinated they would have made arrangements to get at least one shot or both.   
My son made a phone call 4pm on a Friday, he was gettin his shot hour later. He had a choice of several appointment times on the Friday or Sat/Sunday...
... Not sayin everywhere, but it can be done.
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Post by: Troopy_03 on October 16, 2021, 10:21:12 AM
Lismore, Byron Bay,  you can google the rest.

haha, so that's a no then
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Post by: vern on October 16, 2021, 12:03:33 PM
[quote author=alnjan
It's amazing the number of people crying this as why they are not vaccinated, either one shot or two.   When they cancelled our appointments we made alternate arrangements and before that appointment came up, we were contacted to say our original vaccine shots are back on.   If people wanted to get vaccinated they would have made arrangements to get at least one shot or both.   

My son made a phone call 4pm on a Friday, he was gettin his shot hour later. He had a choice of several appointment times on the Friday or Sat/Sunday...
... Not sayin everywhere, but it can be done.
Well up here on the mid north coast where its apparently hard to get, you can do the same, as we found out when we got our kids done. Plenty of same day appointments around

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Post by: gronk on October 16, 2021, 09:25:32 PM
haha, so that's a no then

That’s a you’re  too lazy to look it up your self reply !!
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Post by: Bird on October 16, 2021, 10:42:27 PM
That’s a you’re  too lazy to look it up your self reply !!
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on October 17, 2021, 10:11:26 AM
Adolf Andrews just said at presser -

“There will be no restrictions on leaving your home or curfew. The road map will be delivered in full and here are a number of things we are adding to the road map as of 11:59pm this Thursday,” he said.

“There will be no travel limit between a within metropolitan Melbourne. Unless you are authorised to enter regional Victoria, you cannot enter regional Victoria at this time. Ten visitors, including dependents, will be able to visit your home per day. We believe that is appropriate. It is, however, highly recommended that only vaccinated people above 12 should be visiting your home.

“Staggered return of grade three and year 11 in metropolitan Melbourne (schools) will commence on Friday 22 October.”
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Post by: alnjan on October 17, 2021, 11:45:06 AM
[quote author=alnjan
It's amazing the number of people crying this as why they are not vaccinated, either one shot or two.   When they cancelled our appointments we made alternate arrangements and before that appointment came up, we were contacted to say our original vaccine shots are back on.   If people wanted to get vaccinated they would have made arrangements to get at least one shot or both.   

My son made a phone call 4pm on a Friday, he was gettin his shot hour later. He had a choice of several appointment times on the Friday or Sat/Sunday...
... Not sayin everywhere, but it can be done.

I can be done but it does depend a lot on your location.  Our kids, all in their early 30s for a long time have not been able to get vaccinated locally due to their age.   Fair enough considering their age and health if they were to get Covid would be in a better position to recover then someone more vulnerable.   However it has still taken then ages for the age limit at Vaccination sites to lower for them to be Vaccinated.   Now that the majority of Greater Sydney and other Regional areas that have had Covid outbreaks have achieved high Vaccination rates the Vaccine is being delivered to other Regional Areas with a 'Walk In' Clinic set up at one of the local Clubs in town, no appointment needed, just bring id and medicare card.   They have all had their first shot and being Pfizer will have the second shot in a fortnight.   

This is what has upset a lot of people in Greater Sydney with their travel freedoms pushed back to November 1.   While Greater Sydney reached the required Vaccine rate a lot of Regional Areas are still only 50-60% double vaccinated.   Give the rest of the State (cause Sydney is not NSW) a chance to get to 70-80% Vaccinated.   
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Post by: vern on October 17, 2021, 11:58:54 AM
I can be done but it does depend a lot on your location.  Our kids, all in their early 30s for a long time have not been able to get vaccinated locally due to their age.   Fair enough considering their age and health if they were to get Covid would be in a better position to recover then someone more vulnerable.   However it has still taken then ages for the age limit at Vaccination sites to lower for them to be Vaccinated.   Now that the majority of Greater Sydney and other Regional areas that have had Covid outbreaks have achieved high Vaccination rates the Vaccine is being delivered to other Regional Areas with a 'Walk In' Clinic set up at one of the local Clubs in town, no appointment needed, just bring id and medicare card.   They have all had their first shot and being Pfizer will have the second shot in a fortnight.   

This is what has upset a lot of people in Greater Sydney with their travel freedoms pushed back to November 1.   While Greater Sydney reached the required Vaccine rate a lot of Regional Areas are still only 50-60% double vaccinated.   Give the rest of the State (cause Sydney is not NSW) a chance to get to 70-80% Vaccinated.
I have been doing a bit of retail therapy in our area Alnjan, and was surprised by the number of people outside of shops that couldn't go in, these people are from all age groups that shouldn't have any excuse to not get the jab other than they don't want it. Also went to the market down the jetty this morning, 75% of people with no masks. Things will get very interesting around here when its all opened up.

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Post by: Steffo1 on October 17, 2021, 06:02:53 PM
I have been doing a bit of retail therapy in our area Alnjan, and was surprised by the number of people outside of shops that couldn't go in, these people are from all age groups that shouldn't have any excuse to not get the jab other than they don't want it. Also went to the market down the jetty this morning, 75% of people with no masks. Things will get very interesting around here when its all opened up.

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Post by: MDS69 on October 17, 2021, 07:46:42 PM
Nothing compared to what you guys have, and are still going through in Vic :(
Monday NSW opened up, cases in Grafton went through the roof overnight.
Mayors of councils in the northern rivers have asked the premier that Sydney/greater Sydney people not travel here.
I doubt we can stop it spreading, it will become(as some of you have mentoned) apart of life. Our health/hospital services are at breaking point.
Hmmm, take care.

So these people had Covid before the restrictions were lifted?
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Post by: Hairs on October 17, 2021, 07:54:08 PM
So these people had Covid before the restrictions were lifted?
Yes, and either moved into our lga or had travelled outside of the lga and back in.
Prior to the lifting of restrictions, we had traces of covid in the south grafton sewer plant, but that could mean it was from weeks ago.
Tbh, this virus spreads because people move, the vast majority do the right thing.
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Post by: gronk on October 17, 2021, 08:55:29 PM

Tbh, this virus spreads because people move, the vast majority do the right thing.

And it also spreads because people don’t mask up properly or take precautions with hygiene.
People are still wearing the disposable $1 masks because they’re too scabby to buy a 5 or 10 dollar job.
People who wear glasses and have them fog up while wearing a mask are not wearing the mask properly, or have one that isn’t sealing properly.
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Post by: alnjan on October 17, 2021, 09:20:02 PM
I have been doing a bit of retail therapy in our area Alnjan, and was surprised by the number of people outside of shops that couldn't go in, these people are from all age groups that shouldn't have any excuse to not get the jab other than they don't want it. Also went to the market down the jetty this morning, 75% of people with no masks. Things will get very interesting around here when its all opened up.

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Yep, says a lot for the so called Freedom Day.   While it may have been some freedom for Greater Sydney it became the Restriction Day for Regional Areas.   One day everyone could work and go to the shops and the next day not everyone could work or go to the shops.   Currently all that is happening is pushing the Fear of the Unvaccinated for no reason at all.   
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Post by: #jonesy on October 18, 2021, 06:26:34 AM
And it also spreads because people don’t mask up properly or take precautions with hygiene.
People are still wearing the disposable $1 masks because they’re too scabby to buy a 5 or 10 dollar job.
People who wear glasses and have them fog up while wearing a mask are not wearing the mask properly, or have one that isn’t sealing properly.
Disposable surgical masks are better, if they are used as disposable. I use 2 a day at work.  At lunch it goes in the bin and out a new one on after.

Most people use the same $5 mask all day by which time the virus is all through it, and on the meal room table where they sat it down to eat.  Some don't get washed for days.
 
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Post by: Hairs on October 18, 2021, 06:53:34 AM
And it also spreads because people don’t mask up properly or take precautions with hygiene.
People are still wearing the disposable $1 masks because they’re too scabby to buy a 5 or 10 dollar job.
People who wear glasses and have them fog up while wearing a mask are not wearing the mask properly, or have one that isn’t sealing properly.
You are right.
The amount of people who wear it below their nose, :(
And the amount that don't wear one at all while walking the street, stop at a shop, qr code in and as they walk in past others, then put one on.

From the start, I purchased washable ones, pkt of 10, $120 I think.
I'm fortunate to be by myself most of the day.
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Post by: gronk on October 18, 2021, 08:00:26 AM
Disposable surgical masks are better, if they are used as disposable. I use 2 a day at work.  At lunch it goes in the bin and out a new one on after.

Most people use the same $5 mask all day by which time the virus is all through it, and on the meal room table where they sat it down to eat.  Some don't get washed for days.

If you were exposed to the virus and you were wearing a proper fitting mask, the virus wouldn’t be all through it….only on the outside.
Trouble with surgical masks is they don’t fit your face properly…..they are only intended to stop some of the surgeons spit from falling onto the patient, not to stop them breathing anything in.
Best masks are the disposable ( or washable ) N95 ones, that have a proper bridge going over the nose.
But I suppose if we were all fair dinkum we’d be wearing gas masks.
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Post by: Champin on October 18, 2021, 08:22:35 AM
No form of mask will truly seal with facial hair, so there's another issue

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on October 18, 2021, 08:55:59 AM
While the 'seal' of the masks are important the fact is the majority of masks being used do not stop the virus due how small the virus particle is to the holes in the masks.   
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Post by: Bird on October 18, 2021, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: gronk
If you were exposed to the virus and you were wearing a proper fitting mask, the virus wouldn’t be all through it….only on the outside.
Trouble with surgical masks is they don’t fit your face properly…..they are only intended to stop some of the surgeons spit from falling onto the patient, not to stop them breathing anything in.
Best masks are the disposable ( or washable ) N95 ones, that have a proper bridge going over the nose.
Not everyones head/face is shaped the same either.. I've tried $10 ones, the bandana ones, and stuck with the disposable ones.

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No form of mask will truly seal with facial hair, so there's another issue
I passed my BA Course with RFS with beard ;)
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Post by: Champin on October 18, 2021, 10:03:35 AM
My info was based on a situation years ago when I was dealing with arsenic in a gold ore roaster. I suppose it's all to do with the level of risk. We could all walk around clad in those big plastic bubble suits we see in the labs but that wwould be rediculously unfeasible. I think so long as we wear properly worn masks, sanitise regularly and social distance, we will move forward to mitigating this Shitful thing.   

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Post by: Bird on October 18, 2021, 10:06:51 AM
My info was based on a situation years ago when I was dealing with arsenic in a gold ore roaster. I suppose it's all to do with the level of risk. We could all walk around clad in those big plastic bubble suits we see in the labs but that wwould be rediculously unfeasible. I think so long as we wear properly worn masks, sanitise regularly and social distance, we will move forward to mitigating this Shitful thing.   

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yea wasnt havin a go, quoted th wrong post.
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Post by: Champin on October 18, 2021, 10:19:38 AM
I know you weren't having a bash Bird.

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Post by: gronk on October 18, 2021, 11:35:42 AM
While the 'seal' of the masks are important the fact is the majority of masks being used do not stop the virus due how small the virus particle is to the holes in the masks.

Must be the wrong masks then. N95 certified masks stop all dust and virus.

If you have a beard, sorry but you are at risk as no mask will seal. We had a blitz at work yrs ago where they were thinking of sacking people who wouldn’t shave their beards. Duty of care….company was worried about future claims against them for black lung.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on October 18, 2021, 11:57:11 AM
As I mentioned in my previous post I think it is all about the levels of risk. If for example one is exposed to something like arsenic or cyanide ( which I have been before in the gold industry ) no mask will protect me from that if one has facial hair. If, though, you are trying to protect others from your airbourne viral spittle, a disposable mask will do that. Would that all go out the window though if you touch your mask then touch something else? Would that be a good case for transmission?

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Post by: gronk on October 18, 2021, 12:26:10 PM
It’s hard enough for everyone to actually wear a mask at all, so as long as most seem to be doing the right thing it’s good enough for the govt.

If everyone treated it like cyanide, you’d find everyone would wear a proper mask and take it serious….but because most people don’t know anyone that’s had covid, they think it won’t happen to them..
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Post by: alnjan on October 18, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
Must be the wrong masks then. N95 certified masks stop all dust and virus.

If you have a beard, sorry but you are at risk as no mask will seal. We had a blitz at work yrs ago where they were thinking of sacking people who wouldn’t shave their beards. Duty of care….company was worried about future claims against them for black lung.

How many people are wearing the N95 masks?   Not many up this way.   Which is why I say most masks people are wearing still allow the virus in ragardless of the 'seal' around the mask and face.   
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Post by: gronk on October 18, 2021, 01:59:36 PM
How many people are wearing the N95 masks?   Not many up this way.   Which is why I say most masks people are wearing still allow the virus in ragardless of the 'seal' around the mask and face.

Exactly ..
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Post by: Jillsy on October 18, 2021, 02:36:06 PM

I know that Rona is stressing everyone out but crikies...surely we can maintain a level of respect for one another.

No political statements.
No personal attacks.
Respectful debate is fine.

I have had a bit of a clean up - if there is a flare up in this thread again I'm deleting the lot. 
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Post by: Robbo on October 18, 2021, 03:18:05 PM
Just to add a little light hearted humour to this thread. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211018/89740223d331d9ee1f5897ea51248502.jpg)

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Post by: xcvator on October 21, 2021, 06:05:35 PM
now this is a bit of a long read but shows just how the "experts" have been a 'bit careless with the truth"




https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/its-crap-victorian-study-claiming-mandatory-masks-stopped-second-wave-shredded-by-experts/news-story/aeb937d27ec5a79e6b728ade598f49ab (https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/its-crap-victorian-study-claiming-mandatory-masks-stopped-second-wave-shredded-by-experts/news-story/aeb937d27ec5a79e6b728ade598f49ab)
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Post by: edz on October 21, 2021, 06:17:06 PM
There ya go ..the Tinfoil hat Conspiracy theorist branded ones Ripped apart by Govco mainstream meadia brainwashed Sheeple wernt so far of the mark ..
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Post by: Hairs on November 18, 2021, 03:20:09 PM
WOW, As we open up to world, Europe sees cases and deaths soar as they enter their winter.
The media is calling it the '5th wave', saying we got 6 months to prepare.
 
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Post by: alnjan on November 18, 2021, 09:41:41 PM
WOW, As we open up to world, Europe sees cases and deaths soar as they enter their winter.
The media is calling it the '5th wave', saying we got 6 months to prepare.

If our State Premiers were smart and look at the medical and scientific data they would open up.   

We have to stop this fear of the unvaccinated. 
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Post by: Troopy_03 on November 19, 2021, 06:55:05 AM
There ya go ..the Tinfoil hat Conspiracy theorist branded ones Ripped apart by Govco mainstream meadia brainwashed Sheeple wernt so far of the mark ..

Apart from not being able to understand what you are saying here, all it says is the study was garbage because the data was flawed.. While this is not uncommon for anyone trying to push an agenda, it doesn't even compare to the garbaged being pushed by the tinhat wearing, Facebook brainwashed, conspiracy theorist sheeple..

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Post by: Marcus73 on November 19, 2021, 07:07:19 AM
As opposed to all the brainwashed and bullied government / media provoked sheeple


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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on November 19, 2021, 12:08:13 PM
OH GOODY.

Nearly a month since this thread has been posted in, then someone decides to kick start it.  ::)
Then the bickering begins again..... YAY.
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Post by: Snow on November 19, 2021, 02:45:35 PM
I reckon this thread has run its course and in line with Jillsy’s comments, it is time to move on. Topic is locked.