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Re: Work for the dole
« Reply #150 on: August 19, 2015, 09:15:56 AM »
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/big-business-took-25-billion-in-tax-relief-in-2014-tax-office-figures-show-20150331-1mbnuh.html


and yet, that article does not mention how much 'other' tax they did pay...  don't believe everything you read...  context is key.

the figures of the top 900 companies includes superannuation funds, which pay 15 per cent tax on profits, and property trusts, which don't pay company tax at all - the beneficiaries of the trust pay their normal income tax rate.


and, that has prompted a tax reform senate committee to fix this, and other issues with the tax system...

and let's not forget, this tax-minimisation has been going on for years and years and years and has been overlooked by both sides of government.

i am not saying that things couldn't be better, because they certainly could, but this constant 'the government is responsible for all of my woes and does nothing for me' diatribe is getting a bit ridiculous.

we can just agree to disagree and move on.  you think the government is the devil incarnate, while i think that we are in a much better position than plenty of others. 




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Re: Work for the dole
« Reply #152 on: August 19, 2015, 10:07:58 AM »
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Re: Work for the dole
« Reply #153 on: August 19, 2015, 10:38:41 AM »
As an upcoming moderator.. I say we start executing people if they don't have work. Its much cheaper.
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Re: Work for the dole
« Reply #154 on: August 19, 2015, 01:32:36 PM »
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As an upcoming moderator.. I say we start executing people if they don't have work. Its much cheaper.

Now your starting to think like the liberal government.

Our narcissistic ex prime minister howard the coward, had plans to re instigate the working class poor.

He was so upset by his brothers totally inadequate abilities to run a company, resulting in its failure.
Who, as all who fail, blamed the union movement and the workers.
Not the imbecile in the mirror who couldn't run a piss-up in a pub.

So howards plan.....destroy the unions, reduce wages, give employers draconian powers and produce a new slave class of people who worked for next to nothing.
Of course, the welfare system would have to also be abolished, cant have a safety net and then the ruling class could be free to do what they like, and of course give to political parties.

His plan failed, he was an idiot, yes that is well known, but he tried to do too much too soon without enough propaganda to cover it up.

Along comes Abbott, the man, he is more propaganda savvy, use the media to put forward every negative aspect of pensions and the welfare system, while extolling the virtues of free trade and being lorded over by multinationals.
Looked like he was going to succeed, following on howard's plan for a slave class, removing welfare, calling pensioners a drain on the system, building up to remove pensions and welfare from all.
But when one throws stones, some are sometimes thrown back, now we are seeing exactly how much cake these pollies are getting and what is costs, people are begining to see our political system for what is is, a snouts deep exercise.oops looks like Abbott may have stepped in the poo.

I'm all for a fair days work for a fair days pay
But working to survive, just, while the business manager lives high with all the extras off my labour, it smells a little bit, No?

And as for getting rid of the dole
Lets look at this process.
Criminals are generally lazy, I know just like politicians, but just not as well set up.
Because they are lazy, its better for us to pay them a dole to keep them out of our houses rather than making them go out and find an income through crime.
It don't work for them all, but a large enough percentage will be just happy to stay at home, smoking dope and watching TV, rather than actually going to all the trouble of stealing.
But, take the dole away, and they will have no choice, and it not the government of pollies who will suffer, its you and me who will have our houses knocked over and our cars stolen.
Get rid of the dole, and crime will escalate, and with govcos cost cutting by removing police and making education harder and harder to get, more smart people will turn to crime and the few cops left have no chance.

So, do we still think it stupid to pay the dole?
Better to pay the dole and get rid of the biggest thieves, politicians.

 

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Re: Work for the dole
« Reply #155 on: August 19, 2015, 02:10:04 PM »
This thread needs a bit of cheering up.

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Re: Work for the dole
« Reply #156 on: August 19, 2015, 02:17:10 PM »
Now your starting to think like the liberal government.

Our narcissistic ex prime minister howard the coward, had plans to re instigate the working class poor.

He was so upset by his brothers totally inadequate abilities to run a company, resulting in its failure.
Who, as all who fail, blamed the union movement and the workers.
Not the imbecile in the mirror who couldn't run a piss-up in a pub.

So howards plan.....destroy the unions, reduce wages, give employers draconian powers and produce a new slave class of people who worked for next to nothing.
Of course, the welfare system would have to also be abolished, cant have a safety net and then the ruling class could be free to do what they like, and of course give to political parties.

His plan failed, he was an idiot, yes that is well known, but he tried to do too much too soon without enough propaganda to cover it up.

Along comes Abbott, the man, he is more propaganda savvy, use the media to put forward every negative aspect of pensions and the welfare system, while extolling the virtues of free trade and being lorded over by multinationals.
Looked like he was going to succeed, following on howard's plan for a slave class, removing welfare, calling pensioners a drain on the system, building up to remove pensions and welfare from all.
But when one throws stones, some are sometimes thrown back, now we are seeing exactly how much cake these pollies are getting and what is costs, people are begining to see our political system for what is is, a snouts deep exercise.oops looks like Abbott may have stepped in the poo.

I'm all for a fair days work for a fair days pay
But working to survive, just, while the business manager lives high with all the extras off my labour, it smells a little bit, No?

And as for getting rid of the dole
Lets look at this process.
Criminals are generally lazy, I know just like politicians, but just not as well set up.
Because they are lazy, its better for us to pay them a dole to keep them out of our houses rather than making them go out and find an income through crime.
It don't work for them all, but a large enough percentage will be just happy to stay at home, smoking dope and watching TV, rather than actually going to all the trouble of stealing.
But, take the dole away, and they will have no choice, and it not the government of pollies who will suffer, its you and me who will have our houses knocked over and our cars stolen.
Get rid of the dole, and crime will escalate, and with govcos cost cutting by removing police and making education harder and harder to get, more smart people will turn to crime and the few cops left have no chance.

So, do we still think it stupid to pay the dole?
Better to pay the dole and get rid of the biggest thieves, politicians.

let me guess, you're a labor man? 

because all i ever see is criticism of the coalition as if labor has done nothing wrong in the last 50 years...

i think (and i accept my part) that the thread has gone from a 'work for the dole' thread to a political views thread, which never ends well...




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Re: Work for the dole
« Reply #157 on: August 19, 2015, 03:35:06 PM »
Stabicraft,

I think that you are entitled to your opinions as we all are in this great nation and applaud the  passion and motivated spirit with which you share that opinion.

That said I am not sure that myswag is providing you with the platform you need to express the deep seated issues and opinions that you have, I feel that this small platform is doing you a dis service and perhaps other mechanisms would be better suited to share your experiences.

Possibly a letter to your local member, or an on-line political forum ect where like minded people share their opinions and experiences, I would encourage you to seek one or two of these out, I would respectfully say that you may need to polish up on your delivery as I loose half of your content within the rhetoric and 15yo semi slogans that you write and I am sure that other forums might not be so accommodating of that style of delivery.

You have a story and a message ..and both are worthy ..but I will be asking for what I,m sure everyone is thinking right now ...

Lock this thread please mods ....

I know I should stop reading it but I'm addicted to it in the same way we all slow down to look at a car crash, its wrong I know but I cant help myself ..please Mods save me from myself.

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Re: Work for the dole
« Reply #158 on: August 19, 2015, 03:39:46 PM »
Topic has been locked, one of the mods will be along later to cleanup..
C'mon guys, please play nice  :D
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Re: Work for the dole
« Reply #159 on: August 19, 2015, 05:25:27 PM »
Nope, this whinge fest is too hard to sort out. It's staying locked. The topic heading was always going to be a red rag to the forum political zealots. Political discussion on this forum will always cop a discriminating eye. Right up there with religion. As Jetcrew has stated, there are plenty of specialist forums that welcome such discussion. Take it there.
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