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Towns with Aboriginal Names
« on: June 13, 2013, 09:22:26 PM »
Hi Swaggers
How many people here have travelled through different Australian towns, with Aboriginal names, and found out the definition of those names.  A couple of examples: Woomera (throwing handle for spears), Kalkarindgi (running water meeting place).  It would be so interesting to know how many people have thought about finding out if there is a definition for a town name.
Actually, there are quite a few City suburbs with Aboriginal names as well.
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Re: Towns with Aboriginal Names
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2013, 09:25:16 PM »
Spent a few months at Kapooka....
Got the meaning drummed into us all through basic, then found out first hand where the meaning came from lol
The name Kapooka is derived from the local Indigenous dialect meaning 'place of wind'

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2013, 09:25:55 PM »
No....Upper Swan in Perth is not an Aboriginal name, and hopefully it does not mean what it sounds like either...poor swan.
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2013, 09:29:40 PM »
Quote from: evolution on June 13, 2013, 09:25:16 PM
Spent a few months at Kapooka....
Got the meaning drummed into us all through basic, then found out first hand where the meaning came from lol
The name Kapooka is derived from the local Indigenous dialect meaning 'place of wind'

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Hi Evo
You wouldn't know by any chance who the local tribe was, would you ?
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2013, 09:31:27 PM »
I went to primary school in Zeerust which is supposed to mean "resting place". Probably not the best name for a school  :D
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Re: Towns with Aboriginal Names
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2013, 09:42:51 PM »
Quote from: Tjupurula on June 13, 2013, 09:29:40 PM
Hi Evo
You wouldn't know by any chance who the local tribe was, would you ?
Tjupurla

Don't quote me on this, but I think it was the Wiradjuri people? as they are the original inhabitants of the wagga wagga area. From memory they were the largest tribe in NSW.
Being that Kapooka is so close to Wagga Wagga, and that it was named from the local dialect then that would be my guess. I have racked my brain but I can't say for certain if that was right or not.

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Re: Towns with Aboriginal Names
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2013, 10:15:36 PM »


I lived in Maroochydore for many years.  Maroochy means Place of the Black Swan I'm told ... although I never blardy saw even one!  As kids we were told of the legends in school.  Natural history fascinated me and still does.

Now Maroochy was this beautiful maiden.  And two tribes tell her story a little differently, but with the same tragic result. 

Tribe 1:  Coolum and Ninderry were great warriors and they fought over her.  Ninderry knocked Coolum's head clean off with his club ... and it fell into the sea ... becoming Mudjimba Island. 

Tribe 2:  Coolum and Ninderry were neighbouring chiefs.  Maroochy lived in Coolum's tribe, but one night Ninderry came and stole her away.  It upset Coolum no end and he went in search of his Maroochy (as I guess you would).  He snuck into Ninderry's camp and stole her back.  Ninderry became enraged and the two tribes had a great war.  Ninderry knocked Coolum's head clean off with his club ... and it fell into the sea ... becoming Mudjimba Island.

Both tribes agree:  Poor Maroochy went into the mountains and cried a river over the loss of Coolum.  The gods were angry with Ninderry and turned him into a rock that faces both Maroochy and Coolum so he'd remember his bad behaviour.  Coolum was so lost without the bonnie lass that the gods felt sorry for him and turned him into a great mountain looking over the river from a distance ... I guess they thought that he'd like to see the dark sparkle of her eye in the river.  Coolum's mum was distraught and lived her remaining days on Coolum's head ... which is why they also call it Old Woman Island (as well as Mudjimba). 

The Glasshouse Mountains have aboriginal legends behind them.    That's a much longer one and for another day.

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Re: Towns with Aboriginal Names
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2013, 10:17:08 PM »
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Re: Towns with Aboriginal Names
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2013, 10:18:34 PM »
Have spent a lot of time in Ceduna over the years, meaning "a place of rest"
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Re: Towns with Aboriginal Names
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2013, 10:20:01 PM »
Quote from: evolution on June 13, 2013, 09:42:51 PM
Don't quote me on this, but I think it was the Wiradjuri people? as they are the original inhabitants of the wagga wagga area. From memory they were the largest tribe in NSW.
Being that Kapooka is so close to Wagga Wagga, and that it was named from the local dialect then that would be my guess. I have racked my brain but I can't say for certain if that was right or not.

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Evo

Sorry it took me a while to come back to you Evo, but my daughter has been talking to her husband, who is in the ADF.  Yes it was the Wiradjuri people (spelling) as he also did time there, as a black man from here, he spoke to the Elders there prior to doing his training.
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Re: Towns with Aboriginal Names
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 10:21:11 PM »
Biloela is generally believed to be Aboriginal for 'black or white cockatoo' ......
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Re: Towns with Aboriginal Names
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 10:22:01 PM »
Quote from: crackacoldie on June 13, 2013, 10:18:34 PM
Have spent a lot of time in Ceduna over the years, meaning "a place of rest"

That is correct Cracka, Pitjatjantjarra is one of the several languages that I speak, and Ceduna is in their lands.
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 10:24:21 PM »
Quote from: Teabag on June 13, 2013, 10:21:11 PM
Biloela is generally believed to be Aboriginal for 'black or white cockatoo' ......

I believe it is in Warlipiri, Matjinjatjarra, Wongi, Muntu Muntu and a few others as well, and changes between black and white cockatoo, depending on location.
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2013, 10:26:05 PM »
Quote from: Kit_e_kat9 on June 13, 2013, 10:15:36 PM

I lived in Maroochydore for many years.  Maroochy means Place of the Black Swan I'm told ... although I never blardy saw even one!  As kids we were told of the legends in school.  Natural history fascinated me and still does.

Now Maroochy was this beautiful maiden.  And two tribes tell her story a little differently, but with the same tragic result. 

Tribe 1:  Coolum and Ninderry were great warriors and they fought over her.  Ninderry knocked Coolum's head clean off with his club ... and it fell into the sea ... becoming Mudjimba Island. 

Tribe 2:  Coolum and Ninderry were neighbouring chiefs.  Maroochy lived in Coolum's tribe, but one night Ninderry came and stole her away.  It upset Coolum no end and he went in search of his Maroochy (as I guess you would).  He snuck into Ninderry's camp and stole her back.  Ninderry became enraged and the two tribes had a great war.  Ninderry knocked Coolum's head clean off with his club ... and it fell into the sea ... becoming Mudjimba Island.

Both tribes agree:  Poor Maroochy went into the mountains and cried a river over the loss of Coolum.  The gods were angry with Ninderry and turned him into a rock that faces both Maroochy and Coolum so he'd remember his bad behaviour.  Coolum was so lost without the bonnie lass that the gods felt sorry for him and turned him into a great mountain looking over the river from a distance ... I guess they thought that he'd like to see the dark sparkle of her eye in the river.  Coolum's mum was distraught and lived her remaining days on Coolum's head ... which is why they also call it Old Woman Island (as well as Mudjimba). 

The Glasshouse Mountains have aboriginal legends behind them.    That's a much longer one and for another day.

Kit_e

May I have your consent to share that Dreaming with my grandchildren.  I am sure they would love to hear how some places were formed in country other than their own.
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2013, 10:34:35 PM »
I grew up Maroubra NSW 2035
Aboriginal meaning thunder or windy place!

That's all I know about it for now!
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Re: Towns with Aboriginal Names
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2013, 10:39:12 PM »
Quote from: Tjupurula on June 13, 2013, 10:26:05 PM
May I have your consent to share that Dreaming with my grandchildren.  I am sure they would love to hear how some places were formed in country other than their own.
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You don't need my consent TJ ... I'm a white sheila so the story doesn't belong to me ... and it's freely available for all to share off the internet.   ;)  I'll bet your grandkids would love it, so do share it with them!  I googled the legend of the Glasshouse Mountains for you too ... they'd love that one.

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Re: Towns with Aboriginal Names
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2013, 10:40:17 PM »
Quote from: Tjupurula on June 13, 2013, 09:25:55 PM
No....Upper Swan in Perth is not an Aboriginal name, and hopefully it does not mean what it sounds like either...poor swan.
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A little OT but I do remember pissing myself laughing at a classified I read in the local paper a few years ago where it read "Lost horse found Upper Swan".... Must have been one friggin huge swan...
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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2013, 10:41:49 PM »
What great topics you start.... How many of us would have no idea about the names and what they mean. Hey, you staying in at home still or .....
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2013, 10:44:26 PM »
I live in Berowra which is reported to mean 'Place of many winds'
Next suburb up is Cowan 'Big Water or The Big Water'

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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2013, 10:45:12 PM »
Quote from: SteveandViv on June 13, 2013, 10:41:49 PM
What great topics you start.... How many of us would have no idea about the names and what they mean. Hey, you staying in at home still or .....

Hey Steve, your home town of Broome has a traditional Bardi name, so when are you ging to find out what it is and what it means ?  I already know.
Incidentally, the nurses are basically going day by day with my health, so I cannot answer that quetion.  I know if it comes to the worst, I am going to end my life in country, not in some town or city.
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2013, 10:48:22 PM »
Quote from: Wuzgonna on June 13, 2013, 10:34:35 PM
I grew up Maroubra NSW 2035
Aboriginal meaning thunder or windy place!

That's all I know about it for now!

I love that answer Wuzgonna, "Aboriginal meaning".  There are actually over 1500 Aboriginal languages in Australia, but I will do my best through KALRC (Kimberley Aboriginal Language Resource Centre) to find out which language.
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2013, 10:57:08 PM »
Quote from: Tjupurula on June 13, 2013, 10:45:12 PM
Hey Steve, your home town of Broome has a traditional Bardi name, so when are you ging to find out what it is and what it means ?  I already know.
Incidentally, the nurses are basically going day by day with my health, so I cannot answer that quetion.  I know if it comes to the worst, I am going to end my life in country, not in some town or city.
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Mate, you can just stick around thanks... I'm going to get that answer tomorrow then. I did know that it was Bardi but never thought to ask what it meant - I know, bad form. I will in the morning at work.
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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2013, 11:00:17 PM »
Quote from: Hogie on June 13, 2013, 10:54:19 PM
Landgate has a good listing of WA town/suburb name and their history...
http://www.landgate.wa.gov.au/corporate.nsf/web/History+of+metropolitan+suburb+names
http://www.landgate.wa.gov.au/corporate.nsf/web/History+of+Country+Town+Names


Fair call Hogie, just been to the sites, and I have spotted 7 already that are incorrect.  All too often people that are assumed to be "custodians" are asked, and they often come up with something that sounds good, but irrelevant to the area.  We (Walmajarri people) got upset when it was printed that Kurrurrungku (tribal name for Billiluna) meant "end of track" referring to the CSR.  It actually means Wallaby, nothing more and nothing less.
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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2013, 11:15:26 PM »
Quote from: Tjupurula on June 13, 2013, 11:00:17 PM
Fair call Hogie, just been to the sites, and I have spotted 7 already that are incorrect.  All too often people that are assumed to be "custodians" are asked, and they often come up with something that sounds good, but irrlevant to the area.  We (Walmajarri people) got upset when igt was printed that Kurrurrungku (tribal name for Billiluna) meant "end of track" referring to the CSR.  It actually means Wallaby, nothing more and nothing less.
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Thanks for the info Tjupurula, just goes to show that you can't always rely one he information that's out there.
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