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Proposed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« on: February 25, 2011, 08:26:58 AM »
http://www.minister.infrastructure.gov.au/ck/releases/2011/February/CK006_2011.htm

Well, there you have it - a win for common sense.  :cup:  
what a sh#tstorm this has been..... >:(
The surveys & petitions have made an impact.

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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 08:33:20 AM »
democracy......
government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2011, 09:31:11 AM »
Quote from: darren on February 25, 2011, 08:33:20 AM
democracy......
government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

Exceptionally so when the balance of power is held by three and elected politicians are so scared they make decisions based upon knee jerk reactions to surveys so absurd they could be written by three year olds.

Ahh democracy.....better than libya though  :cheers:
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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2011, 09:45:47 AM »
So glad we all took the time to be heard, and on a side note it felt good to give them a blast about loud/missinformed minorities trying to control the lives of the many,   :cheers: beers
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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2011, 10:11:28 AM »
So Glad to see the Will of the people has been listened too and common sense has prevailed once more..........until next time, and trust me there will be a next time but for now ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2011, 10:29:59 AM »
Quote from: dazzler on February 25, 2011, 09:31:11 AM
Exceptionally so when the balance of power is held by three and elected politicians are so scared they make decisions based upon knee jerk reactions to surveys so absurd they could be written by three year olds.

Ahh democracy.....better than libya though  :cheers:

Maybe you should have put together your own survey and fought for what you believe in like the rest of us did.

They didn't react to the survey but rather the number of people that voiced there opinion. I guess not as many people believe in the same ideas as you do.
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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2011, 10:30:24 AM »
Great News !!!

It sucked for the farmers in the UK when they banned the Bull Bars!
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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2011, 12:50:48 PM »
And who trusts them when they say that?  According to Juliar there wasn't going to be any carbon tax either
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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2011, 12:54:53 PM »
I guess I can start putting the mounting kit back together.....

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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2011, 12:58:09 PM »
Quote from: GU Rich on February 25, 2011, 12:54:53 PM
I guess I can start putting the mounting kit back together.....

Mrs GU Rich didn't want to nurse the winch on her lap and hold the Lightforces out the windows!

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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2011, 01:01:18 PM »
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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2011, 01:12:57 PM »
Quote from: GU Rich on February 25, 2011, 12:54:53 PM
I guess I can start putting the mounting kit back together.....

Mrs GU Rich didn't want to nurse the winch on her lap and hold the Lightforces out the windows!

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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2011, 01:21:56 PM »
It is dead for now, it will rise again.  As long as we have stupid minority groups that have a way of getting in the ears of politicians we will always have this problem.

I remember this issue coming up back in the 90's, 20 odd years on, it still comes up, it will be back again.
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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2011, 01:27:46 PM »
Quote from: GU Rich on February 25, 2011, 12:54:53 PM
I guess I can start putting the mounting kit back together.....

Mrs GU Rich didn't want to nurse the winch on her lap and hold the Lightforces out the windows!
So why did you stop in the first place?  Bars on current vehicles were not the subject of the proposal.  ???
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Re: Proposed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2011, 01:37:31 PM »
Quote from: barry1956 link=topic=11567.msg 172310#msg 172310 date=1298604466
So why did you stop in the first place?  Bars on current vehicles were not the subject of the proposal.  ???
A bit of Tongue In Cheek.

I used to drive a V8 ute with a 5 Post Bullbar swinging off the front, It was to hold my Bullights on  ;D Yes it was loud covered in stickers and lights etc.  

 I have heard about these ongoing bullbar debates for a long time.

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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2011, 03:56:33 PM »
It would be interesting to see the total Aus wide numbers who made their voices heard via the various State 4WD associations, I note the NSW & ACT Association has the following stats:

Basic Summary Of Responses To Bull Bars Under Threat Survey
Feb 4, 2011
31,796 Responses
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Re: Proposed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2011, 12:10:17 PM »
Quote from: GU Rich on February 25, 2011, 01:37:31 PM
A bit of Tongue In Cheek.

I used to drive a V8 ute with a 5 Post Bullbar swinging off the front, It was to hold my Bullights on  ;D Yes it was loud covered in stickers and lights etc.  

 I have heard about these ongoing bullbar debates for a long time.

 :cheers:
I know mate, at the same time much of the publicity was along the lines of 'we will lose our bars', just not true.
I still think that the real 'risk' is with the insurance industry - all they have to do is decide that they will not insure anything which causes greater damage than the standard bar and it is all over anyway.
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Re: Proposed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2011, 12:24:29 PM »
Quote from: barry1956 on February 27, 2011, 12:10:17 PM
I know mate, at the same time much of the publicity was along the lines of 'we will lose our bars', just not true.
I still think that the real 'risk' is with the insurance industry - all they have to do is decide that they will not insure anything which causes greater damage than the standard bar and it is all over anyway.

Yeah but the point is if they were successful in banning the new ones how long do you think the old ones would last. On another subject, Now we all gotta arc up about them closing tracks.
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Re: Proposed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2011, 12:43:16 PM »
Quote from: barry1956 on February 27, 2011, 12:10:17 PM
I know mate, at the same time much of the publicity was along the lines of 'we will lose our bars', just not true.

Barry spend some time on the European 4x4 forums and you will soon see these EU rules mean an end to the bullbar. Hence why a lot of people voted against it.
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Re: Proosed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2011, 01:18:14 PM »
Quote from: Laith on February 25, 2011, 10:29:59 AM
Maybe you should have put together your own survey and fought for what you believe in like the rest of us did.

They didn't react to the survey but rather the number of people that voiced there opinion. I guess not as many people believe in the same ideas as you do.

What a stupid bloody thing to post.  Did you put together the survey or just fill it in like everyone else including me.  Thats right I filled the survey in and if you bother to check you will see it in the thread!

I didnt suggest the changes, I didnt lobby anyone, I had NOTHING to do with the proposal. I didnt tell you or anyone else how to think any more than you did.  I merely took part in a discussion on a public forum with how I thought the proposals made some sense to me, AFTER it was raised.

I dont lose sleep over it, I didnt ring politicians,  I dont even think about it outside of the discussion and some 'water cooler' chat at work.

So dont throw ownership of it to me.

What is sad is that the decision, a poor one in my OPINION, is that it was not made on evidence, but as a consequence of the govt not wanting to lose a seat in parliament and hence the govt.

We are no closer to knowing whether frontal impacts are REALLY an issue or not.



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Re: Proposed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2011, 05:32:46 PM »
What a stupid thing to post eh? Well that's the pot calling the kettle black.

I did read that you filled in the survey. Where did I say you didn't. Take a breath and maybe have a beer  :cheers: but please untie the knot in your undies.  ;D

You may have had nothing to do with the proposal but you did voice your disapproval at how poorly the survey was written and how the decision was made by weak kneed politicians bending to the weight of public outcry.

My point to you was if you felt strongly about it as did the many Australians that participated in the final outcome, you could have voiced your opinions in a more constructive manner like writing your own (grown up) survey and asking Australians to participate in it so you could forward your data and turn the final outcome in the direction of your beliefs. I know realise that I was wrong, you appear in fact to not give a sh!t. My mistake.

I agree with you that the decision being a poor one is only your opinion.

The decision was made by our democratic leaders and the way it's supposed to work is that they echo the voice of the people. The voice of the people was heard in this case and the proposal was halted. You may think the outcome is wrong, it may even be wrong but it is what the majority voiced. That is democracy.
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Re: Proposed Bullbar ban is sunk...
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2011, 05:43:11 PM »
Yes i put my vote in and proud of it.
maybe we sould sell all our fouby,s with big bad BULLBARS
and buy little white berina,s and play nerds to  NOT!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Proposed Bullbar ban is sunk...
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