Post by: Jon Burrell - Tentworld on March 20, 2020, 04:06:50 PM
Happy Friday to you!
Wondering, have any of you changed your Easter holiday plans in response to COVID19 ?
Obviously anyone going overseas isn't anymore..... Are you now going camping?
Seems to me, that in most cases going camping is still a perfectly good way to self distancing measure as well as self isolating....
But keen to hear what you all think, and whether this is changing your plans? What are you doing instead?
Enjoy your weekends!
Cheers,
Jon
Post by: MarkGU on March 20, 2020, 04:12:41 PM
Our plans havent changed. the place we go to every Easter doesnt have the tight restrictions on it like most places do as its on over 120 acres & everyone is spread out.
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=57027.msg1009533#new (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=57027.msg1009533#new)
Cant wait to get away for a week or so. ;D
Post by: Fizzie on March 20, 2020, 04:16:26 PM
Post by: Spada on March 20, 2020, 04:27:48 PM
Post by: MarkGU on March 20, 2020, 04:33:23 PM
Still going camping with a group. The campground where we have a permanent Easter booking only lets around 30 families (and our group is 8 families) so we're good. I wouldn't be so confidant if I'd booked somewhere like BigRiggen that lets in 1500 people over Easter?Gday Spada.
I was only just thinking yesterday about if local councils are going to allow camping in caravan parks this easter? Some would def accommodate over 500 people in the park.
Nothing has been mentioned about this.
Post by: Spada on March 20, 2020, 04:43:41 PM
Gday Spada.
I was only just thinking yesterday about if local councils are going to allow camping in caravan parks this easter? Some would def accommodate over 500 people in the park.
Nothing has been mentioned about this.
Cheers Mark, I've heard (although haven't confirmed) that 4 council run caravan parks on the sunshine coast are shutting up shop until it all blows over?
Post by: Hairs on March 20, 2020, 04:57:38 PM
This is changing by the day, who knows what will be allowed in 3 weeks.
I would be thinking of not going anywhere, unless you could be in a secluded area, well away from people.
I know of a few businesses around Maclean/townsend where it is appiontment only, these are workshops.
I've had clients cancel appiontments, it is something we are all going to have to live with.
I'm not alone, in a loss of income which has taken a dive in the last few days.
As have many businesses.
You business Jon, will take a big hit, :'(
Unless people are prepared to be able to camp without the need to be near anyone else.
Sorry, but buckle up, the ride has only just begun.
:cheers:
Post by: Coolblue80 on March 20, 2020, 05:05:31 PM
Cheers, Mike.
Post by: rossm on March 20, 2020, 05:14:51 PM
Hi Swaggers,
Wondering, have any of you changed your Easter holiday plans in response to COVID19 ?
Tasmanian Government changed my plans. Relieved in a way decision was taken out of my hands.
Post by: MarkGU on March 20, 2020, 05:15:03 PM
At least camping.........you are out in the fresh air with no air con blowing ::)
Post by: Moxley on March 20, 2020, 05:33:22 PM
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Post by: D4D on March 20, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
Post by: hainess on March 20, 2020, 05:36:54 PM
Orders for easter usually start 2 weeks before hand.
Usual easter load has been passed this week with 3 weeks to go.
Enjoy the hoards if this holds.
.
Post by: D4D on March 20, 2020, 05:58:34 PM
Enjoy the hoards if this holds.
How do you hoard ice?
Post by: Hairs on March 20, 2020, 05:59:58 PM
How do you hoard ice?Ask an Ice dealer :)
Post by: D4D on March 20, 2020, 06:05:34 PM
Ask an Ice dealer :)
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Post by: Kangaron on March 20, 2020, 09:35:15 PM
I'll give the liver a rest for a week and out the missus and I go for a week or so.
Then home for Easter.
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Post by: Wazza999 on March 20, 2020, 09:40:08 PM
Abc radio(Brisbane) today were speaking to a lady who owns the wet and dry ice manufacture at Woolloongabba.To keep the hoarded chicken and mince frozen or have the aforementioned hoarded goods taken up all the fridge space and they want it for the coldies to kark it drunk and happy if infected?
Orders for easter usually start 2 weeks before hand.
Usual easter load has been passed this week with 3 weeks to go.
Enjoy the hoards if this holds.
.
2011 NT Pajero; 2007 Goldstream Crown 4B
Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 21, 2020, 05:51:23 AM
GG
Post by: tryagain on March 21, 2020, 06:41:21 AM
Post by: Bigfish on March 21, 2020, 06:52:52 AM
Post by: Craig Tomkinson on March 21, 2020, 07:12:39 AM
Post by: Hairs on March 21, 2020, 07:28:31 AM
'Far North Cape York closed to non-essential travel'
https://mr4x4.com.au/far-north-cape-york-closed-to-non-essential-travel/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=DPFs+and+second-hand+diesels%2C+2022+Volkswagen+Amarok+teased+%2B+much+more&utm_campaign=PC+Newsletter+%23305 (https://mr4x4.com.au/far-north-cape-york-closed-to-non-essential-travel/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=DPFs+and+second-hand+diesels%2C+2022+Volkswagen+Amarok+teased+%2B+much+more&utm_campaign=PC+Newsletter+%23305)
The idoit box this morning mentioned,
'Boarders between states will close'
Post by: Alan Loy on March 21, 2020, 07:40:14 AM
Biggest question is what to do over winter. We still have tickets to Milan but no chance of that! Plan B was NT but that seems to be doubt.
We are part of the grey winter migration and it looks like we may not be welcome this year.
Post by: Bigfish on March 21, 2020, 09:23:41 AM
Hi big Fish, I thought they have shut off any where like Weipa or Karumba that has a local aboriginal population in or near by, happy to be wrong, as I was going up near Weipa but being told sorry you can not go, We mite just load up the 4wd and Van and hit the road over Easter free camping out west away from towns looking for birds and insects, Craig
Nah mate...Karumba is mostly whites. Bourketown shut though. Karumba is a fishing port really with ancillary business,s. Anyway...after discussing with my mate we have cancelled because we both think the borders may shut. Pity...but thats life. Only reason we were going is because it is a little remote. Local outback stores may also be unable to supply except to locals which is fair enough. I,m hoping the govt shuts everything down, everything except essential services, and the quicker the better. Would rather a couple of weeks of pain than 6-12 months of unpredictability..
Post by: Fizzie on March 21, 2020, 09:34:27 AM
Would rather a couple of weeks of pain than 6-12 months of unpredictability..
Unfortunately, I think that may be what we're all looking at it, if not longer ??? :'(
Reading a comment yesterday from somebody official, that suggested 12 - 18 months! :'(
Post by: MrCruza on March 21, 2020, 11:32:35 AM
Post by: Bird on March 21, 2020, 12:04:02 PM
Post by: D4D on March 21, 2020, 12:05:01 PM
Crazy amounts of caravans and campertrailers on the freeway this morning... i mean 50+ spread out along heading in different directions
Taking advantage of early school holidays I guess.
Post by: Mace on March 21, 2020, 01:04:07 PM
I then do the two week at home stint leading up to Easter, when i then go on two weeks leave. If things work out ,and local covid transmission hasnt become a thing down here we still plan to hitch up the camper and head away.
I then come back to work and go straight onto another two weeks at home session...... i wonder if fhey would twig onto the possibility that i might be doing it remotely away from home at some spot with reasonable connectivity. All i would need to take along extra would be a couple of work shirts and a green sheet for the fake office backdrop whist attending meetings remotely via Zoom......
Anyway, either way I wont see my desk for 6 weeks .
:cheers:
Post by: JD-120 on March 21, 2020, 01:33:54 PM
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At this stage the indication seems to be that the Easter camping can proceed, HOWEVER we will be implementing the following policy. This policy is subject to change pending developments over the coming weeks:
1. To reduce risk and the use of shared facilities we are asking that campers make arrangements to be self sufficient. Please make arrangements to obtain a portages loo and shower. Shared facilities will remain open but guests will use at their own risk.
2. Extra cleaning of the shared facilities will be rostered.
3. NO ONSIGHT BOOKINGS will be taken – all guests must prebook and bring with them their booking confirmation emails that details the nights and no of guests. The reason for this policy is to minimise face to face bookings and handling of cash as well as being able to monitor and manage the exact number of people onsight.
4. Follow government policies – if you have travelled, are at risk of having been exposed or are experiencing flu or COVID19 symptoms please do not come. Staff reserve the right to refuse entry.
5. We will be issuing extended credits of 9months to guests who wish to postpone their Easter camping due to COVID19. These postponements must be requested in writing on email.
6. We will be restricting sites and directing campers to particular areas. We will aim to the best of our ability to look after bookings made first in time. This is not our usual policy but these are extreme times and we need to consider the best way to mitigate risk. This will mean that some guests may not receive creek sites. We will be strictly ensuring numbers are limited on any one sight. This may mean some guests are directed to more remote sites and we will be utilising more overflow areas to spread people out.
7. We may yet consider closing the onsight shop. We hope to still provide ice but on a self serve basis. This is not confirmed one way or another at this stage.
We remind guest that we are over 4000acres and the Bush is probably one of the safest ways to self quarantine whilst enjoying a holiday! We are doing our best to balance all the competing considerations and follow government advice.
The above policy will apply to our regular weekends as well.
Post by: MarkGU on March 21, 2020, 01:46:25 PM
we have been going Gordon Country the past few years. They have a statement on thier homepage saying still opened (at this point in time), but a few changes in place. At this point in time we are kind of still planning on going, will prepare like we are, but TBH, not convinced we will actually do itThats why its safer to come join us at Levuka 8)
Post by: JD-120 on March 21, 2020, 01:49:25 PM
I keep tellin her the spot Mark has is always dry and constant sun, but she doesnt believe me :)
Post by: Fizzie on March 21, 2020, 01:51:13 PM
All i would need to take along extra would be a couple of work shirts and a green sheet for the fake office backdrop whist attending meetings remotely via Zoom......
Little bit of black inso tape over the camera lens - "Yeah, sorry you can't see me - camera's packed up & I haven't been able to sort a replacement yet" :angel: ;D
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 21, 2020, 02:01:37 PM
Im currently half way thru a two week in office stint. Great as no one around (University, classes are online).
I then do the two week at home stint leading up to Easter, when i then go on two weeks leave. If things work out ,and local covid transmission hasnt become a thing down here we still plan to hitch up the camper and head away.
I then come back to work and go straight onto another two weeks at home session...... i wonder if fhey would twig onto the possibility that i might be doing it remotely away from home at some spot with reasonable connectivity. All i would need to take along extra would be a couple of work shirts and a green sheet for the fake office backdrop whist attending meetings remotely via Zoom......
Anyway, either way I wont see my desk for 6 weeks .
:cheers:
Zoom Corporate (which is what we use at Uni) has a green screen option... I can't remember how to set it up, but you can do it...
Post by: MarkGU on March 21, 2020, 02:23:01 PM
hahaha, ive been trying mate, but the misso still has memories of the mud and flooded camp sites from what was it....maybe 4 years ago.we havent had rain since you guys were last there :D :D
I keep tellin her the spot Mark has is always dry and constant sun, but she doesnt believe me :)
Post by: 3rd time lucky on March 21, 2020, 04:11:02 PM
Post by: Hairs on March 21, 2020, 04:32:20 PM
Thats why its safer to come join us at Levuka 8)You can guarantee that ???
How many people pack into Levuka at Easter, couple of hundred ???
Nice one.
Post by: MarkGU on March 21, 2020, 05:19:31 PM
You can guarantee that ???So Jon, have you been in contact with the owner of Levuka?
How many people pack into Levuka at Easter, couple of hundred ???
Nice one.
I'de say not.
He has been given authority by the health department that because of the limited amount of campers( which is controlled by council regulation all year round) and in such a big area ( 120 acres) to be able to open the gates to Levuka at Easter.
Besides, the comment "Thats why its safer to come join us at Levuka 8) " was just humour shared between JD-120 and myself.It is not a fact that is safer against the Covid-19 virus.
Sheesh.
Take a chill pill and relax.
Post by: 3rd time lucky on March 21, 2020, 05:50:11 PM
Post by: gronk on March 21, 2020, 05:54:16 PM
Mark, I may be able to pop down for a night. Do I need to book and is it too late?
Easter is 3 weeks away...anything can and maybe will change by then. Some are predicting a full country lockdown ?
Post by: Hairs on March 21, 2020, 05:56:10 PM
Just because the property owner(levuka) has dotted all the i's and crossed the T's now,
Doesn't mean things will not change in the next three weeks for this event,
To believe that is foolish.
Events all around the country are cancelling/closing, pubs, restaurants, FFS our RFS meeting as been postponed until further notice.
Other examples, Presentation night for the Lawrence Rodeo, where we were to give back to the communitty $30 000.00, Cancelled.
Chilled?
Spent the day at Shark Bay, couple of JD's now.
Have a great evening.
Post by: MarkGU on March 21, 2020, 05:57:31 PM
Mark, I may be able to pop down for a night. Do I need to book and is it too late?Never too late mate.Your welcome at our fire anytime. You know were we are, still in the same spot. see you there :cheers:
Post by: MarkGU on March 21, 2020, 06:07:13 PM
Im only going on what Robert ( Levuka owner) has told me to date and thats why the trip is still on at this stage.
Hope you understand now.
Post by: Hairs on March 21, 2020, 06:10:01 PM
And replied within the quote??
Oh,
Edit,
You've edited your reply.
Nice :)
Btw, I am not making other peoples minds up for them.
Post by: MarkGU on March 21, 2020, 10:33:17 PM
Mark, I may be able to pop down for a night. Do I need to book and is it too late?Nigel.
Great to speak to you tonight :cup:
Your right tho..........there still are some great people out there & some that are not so great.
Trick is being around the ones who are great & ignore the ones that arn't 8)
Will be great to catch up again soon. :cheers:
Post by: 3rd time lucky on March 21, 2020, 10:44:16 PM
Post by: alnjan on March 22, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-bondi-beach-closed-spain-deaths-increase/01f9d3d4-f467-4b28-9958-c8c2a8df1bb9 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-bondi-beach-closed-spain-deaths-increase/01f9d3d4-f467-4b28-9958-c8c2a8df1bb9)
All 'non-essential' travel to be banned: Scott Morrison
By Stuart Marsh11:27
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has recommended all Australians avoid non-essential travel as the government works to contain the outbreak of COVID-19.
"After consulting with premiers and chief ministers overnight, we have decided that we are moving immediately to recommend against all non-essential travel in Australia," said Mr Morrison.
"All non-essential travel should be cancelled.
"Work-related and compassionate grounds, those types of arrangements, is essential but also essential supplies and other important arrangements needed to keep Australia running."
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 10:48:03 AM
May stop a few events.all our club events havee been stopped - including all our trips to fire damaged areas out east we had planned....
Post by: gronk on March 22, 2020, 10:58:56 AM
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 11:03:55 AM
I'll still go camping.....but it will be to a secluded site with no others.i reckon this is a good idea for older people who are at greater risk with most younger dickheads (EG: bondi) not playing by the rules causing more risk for older people
Post by: Bigfish on March 22, 2020, 11:10:16 AM
The Prime Minister has elaborated further on what non-essential travel entails
"What we are saying is non-essential travel should be avoided and particularly when we're talking about interstate travel and longer distances, the sort of travel that would not be normally part of your normal life.
"Going to the shops is something you have to do, get into work, other important tasks you have on a daily basis you have to do.
"I think Australians can exercise their common sense about things they know are not essential.
"We will give you as many rules as we can and as many guidelines but we need you to think carefully about what you are doing and your behaviour and the impact it has on others.
"So it does mean that those holidays that you may have been planning to take interstate over the school holidays, cancel them.
"That is what it means. It is regrettable and I know the impact it will have many people in those communities where those holidays were going to take place.
"These decisions are not taken lightly and for those who are arguing for extreme measures all over the country, we would only take further measures based on medical advice because, at the same time that we are trying to protect lives, we are also trying to protect the livelihoods of Australians and that means acting on medical advice and ensuring that we remain totally in lockstep on the incremental changes we're regrettably enforcing.
"It is the case that that travel needs to be reduced to stop the spread of the virus across the country. Other states will be making other decisions about this issue and they will make further announcements today and I will leave them to make them."
Post by: Hairs on March 22, 2020, 11:44:45 AM
Btw, I am not making other peoples minds up for them.Looks like the goverment has made that decision for people.
People are going to die.
Take care.
Post by: Bigfish on March 22, 2020, 11:48:41 AM
Looks like the goverment has made that decision for people.
People are going to die.
Take care.
Many dont care and think about themselves only..
Post by: Hairs on March 22, 2020, 11:53:07 AM
Many dont care and think about themselves only..Saddly yes.
I'm doing a ring around this morning, asking elderly people I know, just to ask if they are OK.
Going camping at Easter, is the last thing on our mind.
Post by: tryagain on March 22, 2020, 12:09:42 PM
Post by: Bigfish on March 22, 2020, 12:42:20 PM
Looks like there will be some backyard camping in the near future, good chance to do mod's and repairs on the camper as well. If I was a camping store with a well established online market share, I think I would be marketing with a similar emphasis, there are going to be plenty of people looking for things to do at home with their kids, especially things to get them out of the house.
That is a bloody good idea. Set the camper up, get the kids involved with the mods, sausage sizzle at night while dad/mum have a coldie. Set the tv/music,dvd up and chill out.
All non essential travel will be restricted by the end of the week anyway..
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 01:03:07 PM
That is a bloody good idea. Set the camper up, get the kids involved with the mods, sausage sizzle at night while dad/mum have a coldie. Set the tv/music,dvd up and chill out.this will be very interesting.. I need to get to work... like thousands of others...
All non essential travel will be restricted by the end of the week anyway..
Post by: Hairs on March 22, 2020, 01:06:49 PM
"Prepare for Lock down"
"Cancal all non essention travel"
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 01:14:53 PM
ABC Just reported,so is getting food essential?
"Prepare for Lock down"
"Cancal all non essention travel"
also
https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6690709/unemployment-benefit-doubled-to-1100-a-fortnight/?cs=17267 (https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6690709/unemployment-benefit-doubled-to-1100-a-fortnight/?cs=17267)
Post by: Kangaron on March 22, 2020, 01:24:30 PM
so is getting food essential?
$750 to all welfare recipients, Cheap loans and handouts to business, doubling of the dole and here I sit a self funded retiree
and I get SFA,
so,
Camping and prospecting becomes essential.
Post by: Hairs on March 22, 2020, 01:30:14 PM
so is getting food essential?
Yes,
NSW
Supermarkets, chemists, don't know about other states
All cafes and pubs to be closed.
Post by: Fizzie on March 22, 2020, 02:43:17 PM
I need to get to work... like thousands of others...
Will you be going though ???
Post by: gronk on March 22, 2020, 04:18:10 PM
$750 to all welfare recipients, Cheap loans and handouts to business, doubling of the dole and here I sit a self funded retiree
and I get SFA,
so,
Camping and prospecting becomes essential.
Before all this I was thinking about retirement. Now, if it comes to getting retrenched, I'll make nearly double my wage by jumping on Newstart !!
Either how good is that...or how stupid by the govt ??
Good for the employed that get retrenched, but for long term dole bludgers, how has this situation changed for them ? For 6 mths, they can party hard...they won't know what to do with all their extra money ?? I know, in the mouth.....in the arm...on the arm...hell, a couple might even get new dentures ?? ;D ;D
Post by: MarkGU on March 22, 2020, 04:29:23 PM
Before all this I was thinking about retirement. Now, if it comes to getting retrenched, I'll make nearly double my wage by jumping on Newstart !!:D :D :D
Either how good is that...or how stupid by the govt ??
Good for the employed that get retrenched, but for long term dole bludgers, how has this situation changed for them ? For 6 mths, they can party hard...they won't know what to do with all their extra money ?? I know, in the mouth.....in the arm...on the arm...hell, a couple might even get new dentures ?? ;D ;D
yep, and us working stiffs where their dole cheques come from get sweet FA
Post by: alnjan on March 22, 2020, 04:31:57 PM
Before all this I was thinking about retirement. Now, if it comes to getting retrenched, I'll make nearly double my wage by jumping on Newstart !!
Either how good is that...or how stupid by the govt ??
Good for the employed that get retrenched, but for long term dole bludgers, how has this situation changed for them ? For 6 mths, they can party hard...they won't know what to do with all their extra money ?? I know, in the mouth.....in the arm...on the arm...hell, a couple might even get new dentures ?? ;D ;D
Yeah, those already in receipt of a pension or benefits, that are not effected by loss of work/job do not need or require any additional handouts.
Post by: Hairs on March 22, 2020, 04:48:19 PM
As a Sole Trader, my income has disappeared, as have many small businesses, with no holidays, no sick leave, No income.
I might be lucky if I can access 10K of MY Super, have to ask my accountant, oh there is another cost.
The idea behind throwing money at employees who have lost their jobs and those on welfare is to keep others in their job.
If you still have an income by next weekend, count yourself lucky.
Post by: CTL on March 22, 2020, 05:40:44 PM
$750 to all welfare recipients, Cheap loans and handouts to business, doubling of the dole
I believe the $750 and doubling of the dole is by way of applying and being assessed, not across the board. Can anybody, other than internet experts, clarify please?
Post by: Kangaron on March 22, 2020, 05:50:35 PM
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Post by: CTL on March 22, 2020, 05:55:04 PM
Read the press release or watch the latest address by the PM, a couple of hours ago.
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So you have no idea? Nothing about the mechanics of the extra payments in the press release that I could find.
Post by: Kangaron on March 22, 2020, 06:06:59 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-22/coronavirus-second-stimulus-package-how-much-money-you-will-get/12078972
Post by: tryagain on March 22, 2020, 06:12:34 PM
I believe the $750 and doubling of the dole is by way of applying and being assessed, not across the board. Can anybody, other than internet experts, clarify please?
The initial $750 was for stimulating the economy, no point giving it to those who have money already, they will just save it, give it to those who will more likely spend it, ie those already on welfare. So everyone on welfare gets that one.
Doubling of the dole is a temporary measure for those already on it and those that will now be eligible. For anyone thinking that the "dole bludgers" are just going to party hard now, have a look at the actual amount they will receive and tell me how much partying you could do with that per fortnight. In reality many were probably supplementing their dole payments with some cash work to survive. That will likely dry up now.
Post by: MarkGU on March 22, 2020, 06:14:14 PM
Reckon China will be defiantly be on the avoid list for many people in future.
Post by: CTL on March 22, 2020, 06:18:35 PM
My apologies, was in the breakdown done by the ABC.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-22/coronavirus-second-stimulus-package-how-much-money-you-will-get/12078972
As I said, the operative word is “claim”. Not automatic but subject to assessment. Looking for confirmation from somebody who might know, rather than all of us taking wild guesses.
Post by: CTL on March 22, 2020, 06:21:24 PM
Just remember when eventually all of this is over.............remember where this virus started and shop accordingly. We will be.
Reckon China will be defiantly be on the avoid list for many people in future.
Bahahaha, you do know where most of our basic goods come from? If you think you can live without buying Chinese made, you are living in a fantasy world :D
Post by: 3rd time lucky on March 22, 2020, 06:35:00 PM
Bahahaha, you do know where most of our basic goods come from? If you think you can live without buying Chinese made, you are living in a fantasy world :DAnother reactive smart arse reply to a considered and intelligent post. Pull your head in and re-read what Mark wrote,and consider the implications.
If you must post on myswag, do it for the right reasons please, not because you feel the need to belittle a fellow member.
We are all in this together so the last thing anyone should read is small minded slays that achieve nothing.
Post by: MarkGU on March 22, 2020, 06:57:51 PM
Bahahaha, you do know where most of our basic goods come from? If you think you can live without buying Chinese made, you are living in a fantasy world :DCTL.
Yes im very aware of where alot of our goods come from.Every journey starts with the first step. I gather your aware of that saying?
That phrase didnt come out of a fantasy book either.
You might want to go searching on just where it did come from.
If we all bought more Aussie produced goods then our manufacturers and producers and Australia would be in a lot better shape.
Fact.
Post by: CTL on March 22, 2020, 07:02:56 PM
Just remember when eventually all of this is over.............remember where this virus started and shop accordingly. We will be.
Reckon China will be defiantly be on the avoid list for many people in future.
Another reactive smart arse reply to a considered and intelligent post. Pull your head in and re-read what Mark wrote,and consider the implications.
If you must post on myswag, do it for the right reasons please, not because you feel the need to belittle a fellow member.
We are all in this together so the last thing anyone should read is small minded slays that achieve nothing.
What? Did you read what MarkGU wrote? It was neither considered nor intelligent.
I fully understand the implications of the COVID-19 pandemic. Do you?
Not buying Chinese goods is an impossible, knee jerk reaction.
If we all bought more Aussie produced goods then our manufacturers and producers and Australia would be in a lot better shape.
Fact.
If I could buy a similar product made in Australia, I would in a heart beat. I can’t buy any household electrical items made in Australia. And that is only one example. Tell you what, when you stop buying Chinese, because that is where the pandemic started, post back on here what you actually bought. Can’t be fairer than that.
Post by: Hairs on March 22, 2020, 07:05:37 PM
Unless over night a manufacturing industries can start up, compete with cheap labour, no worker protection, we are in for another rodgering.
Are consumers, you and me, prepared to pay that cost? NO.
We all love our cheap goods at the cost of humanity that China forces on their own.
but please enlighten us on the answer :)
Post by: MarkGU on March 22, 2020, 07:08:49 PM
What? Did you read what MarkGU wrote? It was neither considered nor intelligent.So, you would like me to list EVERY Australian made item on here that we can buy?
I fully understand the implications of the COVID-19 pandemic. Do you?
Not buying Chinese goods is an impossible, knee jerk reaction.
If I could buy a similar product made in Australia, I would in a heart beat. I can’t buy any household electrical items made in Australia. And that is only one example. Tell you what, when you stop buying Chinese, because that is where the pandemic started, post back on here what you actually bought. Can’t be fairer than that.
Well i spose, we will have plenty of time to do it soon.Tell you what, have a look at the BOTTOM items on the racks next time you do your shopping and tell me what you see. :o . AND i didnt say every thing we buy to buy Aussie cause i realize Australia doesnt make every thing we buy here.That result is a result of our governments allowing manufacturing to go overseas and Unions pushing up rates to force companies to go offshore.
Post by: CTL on March 22, 2020, 07:13:35 PM
So, you would like me to list EVERY Australian made item on here that we can buy?
Well i spose, we will have plenty of time to do it soon.Tell you what, have a look at the BOTTOM items on the racks next time you do your shopping and tell me what you see. :o . AND i didnt say every thing we buy to buy Aussie cause i realize Australia doesnt make every thing we buy here.That result is a result of our governments allowing manufacturing to go overseas and Unions pushing up rates to force companies to go offshore.
Oh, you are talking about food and groceries. My apologies. My first choice is always to buy Australian made food. Have done it all my life as my family have all been primary producers.
Post by: 3rd time lucky on March 22, 2020, 07:17:27 PM
Nothing is gained by continuing to debate the merits of heroism.
Post by: MarkGU on March 22, 2020, 07:18:36 PM
Oh, you are talking about food and groceries. My apologies. My first choice is always to buy Australian made food. Have done it all my life as my family have all been primary producers.This crisis we are going thru ATM is a perfect chance for Australia to start making stuff here again.Its a wake up call we all should take on board.
Buy the Aus brand stuff as a start. As i said, every journey begins with a step.
Buying Aus made buys our kids a job.
Post by: MarkGU on March 22, 2020, 07:21:16 PM
China has us & many countries by the googlies."China has us & many countries by the goolies"
Unless over night a manufacturing industries can start up, compete with cheap labour, no worker protection, we are in for another rodgering.
Are consumers, you and me, prepared to pay that cost? NO.
We all love our cheap goods at the cost of humanity that China forces on their own.
but please enlighten us on the answer :)
Why, because we let them thats why.
There is your answer.
Post by: CTL on March 22, 2020, 07:22:28 PM
CTL thanks for your slaying reply. You are forgiven. Let it go.
Nothing is gained by continuing to debate the merits of heroism.
Debate is part of a healthy liberal democracy.
Stifling debate, like you are trying to do, is what a communist government imposes on their citizens.
Just because you don’t like my opinion, doesn’t mean I can’t express it. Nor does it mean you can be nasty about it. How about you let it go. You butted into a conversation you were not a part of and your comments are not appreciated.
Post by: Moxley on March 22, 2020, 07:23:27 PM
This crisis we are going thru ATM is a perfect chance for Australia to start making stuff here again.Its a wake up call we all should take on board.I think all products should also be marked with say a traffic light indicating the conditions of the workers and perhaps environmental harm too. Green for each being made with workers paid good wage with approp conditions, and environmentally sustainable.
Buy the Aus brand stuff as a start. As i said, every journey begins with a step.
Buying Aus made buys our kids a job.
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Post by: CTL on March 22, 2020, 07:28:04 PM
with workers paid good wage with approp conditions
Whilst I agree with the basic premise of your argument, is their wage and conditions based upon Australian standards or country of origin standards?
Post by: rockrat on March 22, 2020, 07:31:05 PM
I've not done the sums, but I wonder what percentage of what I actually buy has come from China?
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 22, 2020, 07:37:24 PM
https://www.ukhillwalking.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus_-_people_urged_to_stay_away_from_the_hills-72247 (https://www.ukhillwalking.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus_-_people_urged_to_stay_away_from_the_hills-72247)
Whilst Jon might have had good intentions starting this thread, the healthcare system away from the major cities is just as poor in Australia as it is in the UK - The Hunter New England health area (https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/lhd/Pages/hnelhd.aspx) for example covers an area of 131,785km^2, about 500km top to bottom (North of Armidale and you're closer to Brisbane than you are Sydney...)
(https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/lhd/PublishingImages/hne.jpg)
The COVID 19 centres are Newcastle (John Hunter, Newcastle Mater), Belmont and Maitland, or over to Lismore or Dubbo... so a fair distance away and also based on the population of the HNE area, so an influx of people onto the regional hospitals is not going to help.
Post by: MarkGU on March 22, 2020, 07:44:33 PM
On the topic of Made in Australia, apparently 85% of our food is already made in Australia. Plus there is a very big chance that your other major months expenses are going to Australian companies like the banks, health and other insurance.Thats what im trying to say. If everyone bought more of the 85% Aus made stuff we would all be better off.
I've not done the sums, but I wonder what percentage of what I actually buy has come from China?
Post by: 3rd time lucky on March 22, 2020, 08:03:18 PM
I have no grudge. Stay safe and be well.
Nigel :cup:
Post by: Snow on March 22, 2020, 08:10:10 PM
Society is on edge at the moment and now more than ever is the time to think of our fellow citizens.
Be kind or be prepared for a bit of forced isolation. :police:
Post by: Bigfish on March 22, 2020, 08:32:51 PM
Be considerate with our responses folks. Before posting think about the value of what you say and does it add value to the thread.
Society is on edge at the moment and now more than ever is the time to think of our fellow citizens.
Be kind or be prepared for a bit of forced isolation. :police:
haha...we have forced isolation now!! These are indeed stressful and dangerous times. Just think about how your actions can effect others! Hope we all self isolate and that life treats you kindly going forward..Stay safe!!
Witha lot more time on peoples hands I expect the forum to cop a flogging.. :cheers: :cheers:
Post by: Snow on March 22, 2020, 09:14:14 PM
haha...we have forced isolation now!! These are indeed stressful and dangerous times. Just think about how your actions can effect others! Hope we all self isolate and that life treats you kindly going forward..Stay safe!!My ‘forced isolation’ context is a holiday from the forum if required. While it is understandable that some folks are highly strung in the current situation it is not an excuse to flout the forum rules.
Witha lot more time on peoples hands I expect the forum to cop a flogging.. :cheers: :cheers:
I have faith that on the other side of this mess we will be better citizens.
Post by: Rodt on March 23, 2020, 07:02:25 AM
Morrisson is calling for all non essential travel to stop. This includes Easter holidays and interstate crossings. Things will only get messier and the sooner people start to act responsibly and think of others instead of themselves the sooner we will return to normality.
"It is the case that that travel needs to be reduced to stop the spread of the virus across the country. Other states will be making other decisions about this issue and they will make further announcements today and I will leave them to make them."
SWMBO and myself are discussing this right now as to if our planned travel over Easter is essential or not. While it sounds pretty straight forward on what decisions should be made don't underestimate emotions that are involved. In our case all of our family is in QLD and that includes parents who fall into what appears to be the higher risk category age wise. We are actually a bit torn between concern for them and wanting to see them and help them out where we can to prepare for an extended period of issues vs potentially passing the virus on. We don't live in a high risk area (at present), have basically been staying away from crowded venues etc and don't have the virus. Doesn't by any means mean that we couldn't be exposed due to the fact that we are still working and living our lives so we are paying attention for symptoms, listening to all of the advice (locally and further afield).
All of the above could well a mute discussion if all states close their borders as they will define what is essential and the decision will be taken out of our hands. For some people this is a very black and white situation but for others it isn't
Stay safe
Rod
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 23, 2020, 07:16:49 AM
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/stay-away-warning-for-small-towns-after-10-patients-evacuated-20200321-p54ch1.html (https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/stay-away-warning-for-small-towns-after-10-patients-evacuated-20200321-p54ch1.html)
The evacuations are done by charities, not the state ambulance service.
Post by: Bigfish on March 23, 2020, 08:09:07 AM
SWMBO and myself are discussing this right now as to if our planned travel over Easter is essential or not. While it sounds pretty straight forward on what decisions should be made don't underestimate emotions that are involved. In our case all of our family is in QLD and that includes parents who fall into what appears to be the higher risk category age wise. We are actually a bit torn between concern for them and wanting to see them and help them out where we can to prepare for an extended period of issues vs potentially passing the virus on. We don't live in a high risk area (at present), have basically been staying away from crowded venues etc and don't have the virus. Doesn't by any means mean that we couldn't be exposed due to the fact that we are still working and living our lives so we are paying attention for symptoms, listening to all of the advice (locally and further afield).
All of the above could well a mute discussion if all states close their borders as they will define what is essential and the decision will be taken out of our hands. For some people this is a very black and white situation but for others it isn't
Stay safe
Rod
Without sounding heartless but what you are proposing is a holiday. It is unnecessary in the current climate and know one knows where the virus can pop up at any time. . I know the people in the street that I live are staying away from all people including family members. Its hard on grandparents/parents kids...but it ensures they have a better chance of not getting the virus. You dont have the virus..so you were tested? If people would only do the right thing then this mess we are in may well be finished sooner rather than later. There are organisations that will help your parents if need be. Maybe organise home delivery of food. Ring everyday and reassure them if they are worried and also explain the importance of self isolation. I,m in the same boat with kids in 3 different states...a phone call is a good pick me up though. Job security is their biggest worry. Whatever you decide...just stay safe and think of others. :cheers:
Post by: wilson79 on March 23, 2020, 08:38:06 AM
Now I just need to keep fingers crossed that my job does not suffer the same fate. :cheers:
Post by: Fizzie on March 23, 2020, 08:57:35 AM
Some people need to be thankful they still have work. As a Sole Trader, my income has disappeared, as have many small businesses, with no holidays, no sick leave, No income. I might be lucky if I can access 10K of MY Super, have to ask my accountant, oh there is another cost. The idea behind throwing money at employees who have lost their jobs and those on welfare is to keep others in their job. If you still have an income by next weekend, count yourself lucky.
Hey Jon, (& I'm not being a smart-arse here!) maybe you need to be asking if you can go on NewStart ???
Been lot's of comments that people that get laid-off will be able to, so you might qualify as well ???
One thing that nobody has yet said though is what happens with participation requirements - is everybody that is already on NewStart, plus all the people going on to it "temporarily" ::), still going to have to apply for 10 jobs / week ???
Post by: Fizzie on March 23, 2020, 08:59:01 AM
As I said, the operative word is “claim”. Not automatic but subject to assessment. Looking for confirmation from somebody who might know, rather than all of us taking wild guesses.
Just now, I don't think anybody "knows", least of all Centrelink ???
I wouldn't mind betting that the first they knew about this idea, was reading it on the news that night!
Post by: Kangaron on March 23, 2020, 09:59:58 AM
Post by: tryagain on March 23, 2020, 10:08:05 AM
Hey Jon, (& I'm not being a smart-arse here!) maybe you need to be asking if you can go on NewStart ???
Been lot's of comments that people that get laid-off will be able to, so you might qualify as well ???
One thing that nobody has yet said though is what happens with participation requirements - is everybody that is already on NewStart, plus all the people going on to it "temporarily" ::), still going to have to apply for 10 jobs / week ???
Here is some information, basically you work in your business what you can, that should fulfil your obligations. Then if you make no money, you will get the full payment the more you earn though, the less you get.
It's there as a safety net, if you are eligible, you probably need it, no shame in receiving it.
https://www.dss.gov.au/about-the-department/coronavirus-covid-19-information-and-support?fbclid=IwAR2d7KB_A885VGJfwtQfG_tW49chmM-70yh8w_cH3ajwDb9Euz5_k8VyNuY#exp (https://www.dss.gov.au/about-the-department/coronavirus-covid-19-information-and-support?fbclid=IwAR2d7KB_A885VGJfwtQfG_tW49chmM-70yh8w_cH3ajwDb9Euz5_k8VyNuY#exp)
Post by: Rodt on March 23, 2020, 10:11:15 AM
Without sounding heartless but what you are proposing is a holiday. It is unnecessary in the current climate and know one knows where the virus can pop up at any time. . I know the people in the street that I live are staying away from all people including family members. Its hard on grandparents/parents kids...but it ensures they have a better chance of not getting the virus. You dont have the virus..so you were tested? If people would only do the right thing then this mess we are in may well be finished sooner rather than later. There are organisations that will help your parents if need be. Maybe organise home delivery of food. Ring everyday and reassure them if they are worried and also explain the importance of self isolation. I,m in the same boat with kids in 3 different states...a phone call is a good pick me up though. Job security is their biggest worry. Whatever you decide...just stay safe and think of others. :cheers:
Thanks for the comments and we will make our decisions after we weigh everything up :cup:
The purpose of the post was not so much asking for advice on our situation but to throw up the complexities involved in some of these decisions. Very hard not to drop into protection mode when family and friends are involved. I have seen (not on here) on forums where people are getting smashed by keyboard warriors when they even suggest something that isn't living like a hermit in your own home.
Cheers
Rod
Post by: CTL on March 23, 2020, 10:14:18 AM
Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 10:16:22 AM
Quote from: CTL
non-essental travel.
this is the hard part....
you can still go to work, shopping, etc etc... FFS trains and buses are still running - talk about I'd rather walk...
What's open:
Supermarkets
Banks
Pharmacies
Petrol stations
Convenience stores
Freight and delivery services
Childcare centres will remain open but some facilities told parents more information would be provided on Monday.
Shopping centres
Bottle shops
Hairdressing salons ???
Beauty salons ???
Cafes and restaurants for takeaway only
Mechanics
There are no immediate changes to Victorian public transport timetables, The Age understands. Public transport is considered an essential service, which Premier Daniel Andrews said could remain open during the shutdown.
Post by: Robbo on March 23, 2020, 10:34:20 AM
You do whatever is necessary for the survival and safety of yourself and your family. Your friends and mates will never judge you.
Good luck with whatever you choose to do.
Cheers
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Post by: CTL on March 23, 2020, 10:58:33 AM
From https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-22/coronavirus-lockdown-what-it-means/12079242
Post by: Bigfish on March 23, 2020, 11:05:46 AM
"It is not just about each of us individually but the person standing next to us, the person who lives across the road, the elderly resident in the same apartment building as you."
From https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-22/coronavirus-lockdown-what-it-means/12079242
Most of us understand that..its the pricks who put their own needs first that are upsetting the apple cart. The sooner they call a total shut down the better. Too many f wits out there that cant be told..
Post by: weeds on March 23, 2020, 11:20:58 AM
.....was planning a week away after Easter
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Post by: Hairs on March 23, 2020, 11:26:20 AM
I have seen comments in traveling forums/web sites where people are just changing there destinstion because their orginal choice has been closed or will be closed.
It is as if it is their God given right to go on holiday.
Bloody selfish.
Post by: Kangaron on March 23, 2020, 12:35:15 PM
Wonder how many will turn up? Heaps I bet.
Post by: Bigfish on March 23, 2020, 12:37:27 PM
The banks of the Murray will be interesting at Easter this year.All the dunny paper hoarders will..
Wonder how many will turn up? Heaps I bet.
Post by: Fizzie on March 23, 2020, 01:12:45 PM
Here is some information, basically you work in your business what you can, that should fulfil your obligations. Then if you make no money, you will get the full payment the more you earn though, the less you get.
It's there as a safety net, if you are eligible, you probably need it, no shame in receiving it.
Bit more on what TA said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-23/coronavirus-supplement-payment-what-is-it-and-how-to-apply/12080326 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-23/coronavirus-supplement-payment-what-is-it-and-how-to-apply/12080326)
"Treasurer Josh Frydenberg said the Government would ensure people who had their business closed, saw customers disappear, or had casual shifts cut could access the Coronavirus Supplement.
"We have waived the assets tests and waived the waiting period but there is still the income test so if you earn $1,075 a fortnight you will get that full $550 Coronavirus Supplement," Mr Frydenberg said."
However, Centrelink is already packed & MyGov has crashed from overload, so it may be a bit involved! :'(
Post by: alnjan on March 23, 2020, 02:07:18 PM
Add Queensland to the list of States that have closed their borders
QUEENSLAND’S border will be closed from midnight, Wednesday, it can be confirmed.
Anyone travelling into Queensland will be required to self quarantine for 14 days regardless if they are sick or not.
Post by: MarkGU on March 23, 2020, 02:31:03 PM
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/st-margarets-anglican-girls-school-confirms-three-parents-have-tested-positive-to-coronavirus/news-story/2dffb47f842a7766cb3290f393692cde (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/st-margarets-anglican-girls-school-confirms-three-parents-have-tested-positive-to-coronavirus/news-story/2dffb47f842a7766cb3290f393692cde)Well, seeing that i can legally cross the border...................my swag mail rate just increased :-*
Add Queensland to the list of States that have closed their borders
QUEENSLAND’S border will be closed from midnight, Wednesday, it can be confirmed.
Anyone travelling into Queensland will be required to self quarantine for 14 days regardless if they are sick or not.
Post by: Robbo on March 23, 2020, 03:43:49 PM
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Post by: Bigfish on March 23, 2020, 04:35:17 PM
Mmmm! Very interesting times. Two girls that work with the Mrs live in Kingscliff and work in Southport. I wonder how that will go.
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I believe thats one issue the state govt is looking at now...saw something on the news.
Post by: Robbo on March 23, 2020, 05:51:29 PM
I believe thats one issue the state govt is looking at now...saw something on the news.Cheers Bigfish.
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Post by: Fitzy4070 on March 29, 2020, 08:11:50 AM
Post by: Bigfish on March 29, 2020, 08:28:33 AM
If lockdown comes into play this week, we will all be restricted not to leave your suburb. We also have Easter plans booked on private property - so will be very disappointed.
The message is quit clear mate...No necessary travel!!!. P.M. even said...forget holidays. Many tens of thousands have cancelled Easter holidays and I think travel will have more restrictions as many dont seem to understand English or just how deadly this virus can be to people of all ages. Stuffed my plans completely but at least I know if I follow the self isolate rules I will get another holiday.
Post by: Hairs on March 29, 2020, 09:25:13 AM
ACT is if you have it.
NO but I can, they did, is all BS.
DON'T move, but if you want to be selfish pricks, I don't have problem naming people.
After that bitch in the Daily Rant thread, where I mentioned she wanted me to attend a property that the tenant was 'suspected' of being infected, I have no tolerance for these kind of pricks.
I believe I mentioned earlier in this thread,
If you have a job in a weeks time, count yourself very fortunate.
Post by: sharkcaver on March 29, 2020, 02:49:47 PM
If lockdown comes into play this week, we will all be restricted not to leave your suburb. We also have Easter plans booked on private property - so will be very disappointed.
Stay the fark at home. If everyone complied with this directive, we will be in a far better state. Its not the cure, but it's a pathway to getting there. And it needs each and everyone of us to comply if it's going to have any effect.
WA is effectively on regional lock down. No travel permitted, unless essential between regions. Next step if this fails is total lock down with all the implications that will produce.
WA has shown a reduction in numbers over the last 5 days, however that could just be down to cases not detected. We cant take our eye off the ball.
a link to the regional areas for WA is below. Its a pretty poor map, considering its seriousness, but it's better than nothing:
https://dpird.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/RegionalDevelopmentCommissions_2020_LGA.pdf?fbclid=IwAR08kMXvsl01fo_M_bZyi-98V45RJ6Vmg7TX23-4G8MYxvZXY3WR6uPX6Ps
(https://dpird.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/RegionalDevelopmentCommissions_2020_LGA.pdf?fbclid=IwAR08kMXvsl01fo_M_bZyi-98V45RJ6Vmg7TX23-4G8MYxvZXY3WR6uPX6Ps)
Post by: glenm64 on March 29, 2020, 03:02:53 PM
Stay the fark at home. If everyone complied with this directive, we will be in a far better state. Its not the cure, but it's a pathway to getting there. And it needs each and everyone of us to comply if it's going to have any effect.
WA is effectively on regional lock down. No travel permitted, unless essential between regions. Next step if this fails is total lock down with all the implications that will produce.
WA has shown a reduction in numbers over the last 5 days, however that could just be down to cases not detected. We cant take our eye off the ball.
a link to the regional areas for WA is below. Its a pretty poor map, considering its seriousness, but it's better than nothing:
https://dpird.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/RegionalDevelopmentCommissions_2020_LGA.pdf?fbclid=IwAR08kMXvsl01fo_M_bZyi-98V45RJ6Vmg7TX23-4G8MYxvZXY3WR6uPX6Ps
(https://dpird.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/RegionalDevelopmentCommissions_2020_LGA.pdf?fbclid=IwAR08kMXvsl01fo_M_bZyi-98V45RJ6Vmg7TX23-4G8MYxvZXY3WR6uPX6Ps)
As per WA Regional Development Act
http://www.drd.wa.gov.au/regions/Pages/default.aspx