Post by: weeds on January 02, 2019, 09:47:05 AM
For the ones that to present to the tent not only have the pill tested but are also around professionals giving advice, counseling, additional info, facts.....basically somebody to talk to without peer pressure.
If pill testing saves one life or one kid think twice or one kid educated his mates than it a good thing.
As much as we try to influence our kids occasionally it goes wrong....peer group pressure is the biggest influence that we have little control over when they happen to be in that position.
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Post by: Bird on January 02, 2019, 09:48:47 AM
one reason kids are on these pills is booze tax makes premix cans insanely priced... 1 pill $20... 1 6 pack of UDL's or similar $30+ and they need a slab to get happy.
Post by: JD-120 on January 02, 2019, 10:07:17 AM
The same was said about heroin injecting rooms, yet they have saved countless lives(both from OD and HIV transmission), and that saves our health system big money. Its still illegal to possess and sell heroin. Same for other drugs including pills. We're fortunate, both our boys are older now, and never dabbled in any drugs. but when theyre young, you have no idea what they get up to. You can do so much as a parent, then hope you did enough. Theres no guarantees. If it will save someones child, then Im all for it. I couldnt imagine how devestated someone would be, getting a call saying their child is dead, having no idea they even dabbled in drugs. Its called empathy.Nice to see a little common sense instead of throwing stones. I feel the exact same way Glen. Kids growing up, you can point then in the right direction but unfortunately you can't be with them 24 x 7 and you can not make all their decisions for them. We all learn from mistakes. It just so happens this mistake could very well be your last one.
As for the Shit for brains. Well, calls for testing has come from the AMA amoungst others, but what would they know.
Kids will experiment, at least they have the opportunity to do it slightly informed about what they are going to ingest.
I'm for it.
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Post by: duggie on January 02, 2019, 10:31:56 AM
Probably not , most of the drug taking population wants a hit that is/was different to what they last had .
If a pill is tested, then so is the hit , to them , it becomes monotonous , so they increase the amount of drug/pill to change/ increase the hit.
Some survive , some don't .
Post by: Bigfish on January 02, 2019, 10:36:59 AM
Nice to see a little common sense instead of throwing stones. I feel the exact same way Glen. Kids growing up, you can point then in the right direction but unfortunately you can't be with them 24 x 7 and you can not make all their decisions for them. We all learn from mistakes. It just so happens this mistake could very well be your last one.
Kids will experiment, at least they have the opportunity to do it slightly informed about what they are going to ingest.
I'm for it.
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Slightly informed. Unless you have been living under a rock for 50 years I would reckon the avergae youngster of today is well informed about drugs. They are educated at school about them, responsible parents should be telling their kids about the stupidity of drugs, the newspapers, tv, radio and internet is full of stories about the dangers of drugs. Empathy?...I have empathy for the families who have loved ones killed by drugged up drivers, for the families who have had cars stolen, property stolen, homes invaded, bashed for money and had their lives made miserable by the dogShit druggo,s. Empathy for someone told not to take an illegal substance (many of these are over 20+years of age), know full well it could be deadly but take it anyway...empathy for the dickhead...none. Their parents yes. Would you let your kids play Russian roulette with a live bullet...NO...because we know guns kill. We also know drugs can kill yet people are happy to take a chance anyways. Its called being responsible for your actions. Something many people don't want to do and someone is always looking for someone else to blame. I,d rather see my taxes spent on cancer research than telling dipsticks what they already know ....DON'T DO DRUGS!!
Post by: JD-120 on January 02, 2019, 10:41:49 AM
If a pill is tested, then so is the hit , to them , it becomes monotonous , so they increase the amount of drug/pill to change/ increase the hit.
Sorry to hear that duggie.
The above exert makes sense to me. I suspect regular users may become complacent and push boundaries harder and more frequently.
Pill testing may actually be a great way to deter new users from taking that step. First timers at a concert being tempted yet still a little unsure may change their mind when they see what it's actually comprised of.
1 life saved is a good result.
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Post by: JD-120 on January 02, 2019, 10:47:29 AM
Slightly informed. Unless you have been living under a rock for 50 years I would reckon the avergae youngster of today is well informed about drugs.
Apologies bigfish,.should of been a little more exact on my comment.
Slightly informed about what is in their drugs before taking it.
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Post by: Pottsy on January 02, 2019, 10:49:47 AM
The same was said about heroin injecting rooms, yet they have saved countless lives(both from OD and HIV transmission), and that saves our health system big money. Its still illegal to possess and sell heroin. Same for other drugs including pills. We're fortunate, both our boys are older now, and never dabbled in any drugs. but when theyre young, you have no idea what they get up to. You can do so much as a parent, then hope you did enough. Theres no guarantees. If it will save someones child, then Im all for it. I couldnt imagine how devestated someone would be, getting a call saying their child is dead, having no idea they even dabbled in drugs. Its called empathy.
As for the Shit for brains. Well, calls for testing has come from the AMA amoungst others, but what would they know.
Well said Glenn64, a well thought out response.
Having seen what the use of illegal drugs can do to relationships and the angst it can cause to families any effort to remove the risks and maybe help turn ones life around through the intervention of pill testing, injection rooms, replacement therapies etc must be explored.
Alcohol addiction, smoking and binge drinking can also be insidious and lead to long term health issues all of which are picked up by the General health system. Are we to stop offering help to those people as well?
Yes smoking is legal, yes drinking is legal and that will be the argument that some will come back with but it is no less a burden on public health. cancers, alcohol related disease, road accident victims due to DUIs etc etc
Yes the consumption of backyard drugs is risky, but by pill testing those risks can be mitigated just as we try to mitigate risks with smoking and drinking via anti smoking and drinking campaigns, roadside breath and drug testing etc.
Post by: JusyApples on January 02, 2019, 11:37:02 AM
The same was said about heroin injecting rooms, yet they have saved countless lives(both from OD and HIV transmission), and that saves our health system big money. Its still illegal to possess and sell heroin. Same for other drugs including pills. We're fortunate, both our boys are older now, and never dabbled in any drugs. but when theyre young, you have no idea what they get up to. You can do so much as a parent, then hope you did enough. Theres no guarantees. If it will save someones child, then Im all for it. I couldnt imagine how devestated someone would be, getting a call saying their child is dead, having no idea they even dabbled in drugs. Its called empathy.Yet people still drop dead in kings cross on a daily basis from overdoses.
As for the Shit for brains. Well, calls for testing has come from the AMA amoungst others, but what would they know.
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Post by: JD-120 on January 02, 2019, 11:40:42 AM
Post by: Bird on January 02, 2019, 01:01:22 PM
Quote from: JD-120
and the grim reaper ads didnt cure aids. Its about education.
the your lungs are like a sponge ad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbwsET7_6kQ)didnt stop smokers killing themselves..
Majority of people will only listen to what they want to hear. ' ... not all drugs are bad' so lets pop away
Post by: callmejoe on January 02, 2019, 01:31:59 PM
If it was to happen, a test of a pill/powder what ever the substance is a record of the results should be recorded.
The results then can be used to form a trail on where the drugs are coming from, or made It could also identify the ingredients, which could also leave a trail eg a previous robbery for that product etc..
It could lead to regularlites and patterns, which could become useful to find more " king pin" figures..
Post by: edz on January 02, 2019, 02:10:33 PM
Post by: Kangaron on January 02, 2019, 02:36:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKtoTxltN5I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKtoTxltN5I)
Post by: tryagain on January 02, 2019, 02:56:32 PM
Seems like a measure that might save a few lives at music festivals but at a much greater cost.
Post by: Rumpig on January 02, 2019, 04:35:51 PM
Post by: Hairs on January 02, 2019, 07:38:19 PM
Thequestion needs to be asked...if the music is so bad that you need to take pills to listen to it, why go listen to it in the first place?:cup: :cup:
Spot on mate.
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Post by: Hairs on January 02, 2019, 07:44:31 PM
So the main reason they have pushed for kids not to take them is that you don't know what's in them, therefore it's too dangerous, but now we are saying we will test them first to make sure they are OK? What happens with the kids who are holding out against peer pressure saying it's unsafe, all of a sudden they pop a pill at a music festival as it was tested and then like the high which didn't cause any issues so they now do it again, next time though it's not a a music festival and not tested.I don't get the argument for testing.
Seems like a measure that might save a few lives at music festivals but at a much greater cost.
On one hand you have an event saying they don't encourage drugs, you will be caught trying to get drugs in,
On the other, At the gate you can have your drugs tested.
WTF.
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Post by: Bigfish on January 03, 2019, 07:49:52 AM
I don't get the argument for testing.
On one hand you have an event saying they don't encourage drugs, you will be caught trying to get drugs in,
On the other, At the gate you can have your drugs tested.
WTF.
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Its the age of entitlement. Although illegal and potentially dangerous, the dolts who want to use the drugs at venues, that have openly said they dont want drugs at the event, feel they should be exempt and above the law by having their illegal drugs tested so as to remain safe. WTF indeed.
Post by: xcvator on January 03, 2019, 08:23:00 AM
Post by: Paddler Ed on January 03, 2019, 08:57:04 AM
You don't have a swimming test before you go to the beach, and that's a deadlier place than a rock concert ??? ??? ???
What is an acceptable risk and what is an unacceptable risk? How do we mitigate some of those as much as possible?
Well, first of all the normal process is to identify the risk - one of the best risk assessments/management plans I ever did was when I asked the young people I was working with to do their own list of possible risks and hazards on a 2 day expedition. They highlighted cattle chasing them - not something that we ever thought of or included in our risk assessments as adults who had been in the outdoor education/activity sector for years, as well as coming from a rural background. Was that an outrageous one? No, in the UK cattle kill a couple of walkers a year so quite reasonable although unlikely. Likewise, in Australia the ABC released a bit the other week saying that cattle and horses were the biggest killers.
So based on that anecdote, if we look at how those are attending a festival or concert view the risks they are taking, what would they want to do to minimise their risks? They're going to do the party anyway, the drugs are part of that and what keeps them going for 14hrs+, so let's make it safer. If the government won't legalise the stuff, and therefore it's all made in a back room somewhere, let's make sure those people know what they're buying in the safest possible way.
People do different things to get their adrenaline highs - I tend to do something on my mountain bike or in the past whitewater kayaking and canoeing (which does also kill people), others do things involving driving fast/hard tracks etc - and this is just one of those things.
Most importantly, pill use is different to some of the other drug misuses, as it is not a daily habit - it's more likely to be a once in a while event, so the source can vary a lot... hence why testing is so important.
Post by: duggie on January 03, 2019, 09:18:26 AM
Why are people trying to assist an illegal action?
Those who manufacture these drugs , they are breaking the law .
Those who are selling these drugs , they are breaking the law .
Those who are taking these drugs , are breaking the law .
Instead of assisting people to break the law . The laws need to change .
If a persons dies from taking illegal drugs , the person who sold them the drug should be charged with manslaughter .manslaughter. n. the unlawful killing of another person without premeditation or so-called "malice aforethought" ( Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, or from an unlawful act that is a misdemeanor or low-level felony )
If the manufacturer is then found he/she should be charged with murder . Murder. n . is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse.
These people make and sell drugs with the full knowledge that they may/will kill .
Post by: Bird on January 03, 2019, 09:32:36 AM
Reckon you could nearly bill some of them as the entertainment, How they think doing this Shite is good fun is beyond me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuWZ06DmtCY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuWZ06DmtCY) ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNBsss03N3Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNBsss03N3Q)**** Im crying LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bigfish on January 03, 2019, 10:27:54 AM
What is an acceptable risk and what is an unacceptable risk? How do we mitigate some of those as much as possible?
Well, first of all the normal process is to identify the risk - one of the best risk assessments/management plans I ever did was when I asked the young people I was working with to do their own list of possible risks and hazards on a 2 day expedition. They highlighted cattle chasing them - not something that we ever thought of or included in our risk assessments as adults who had been in the outdoor education/activity sector for years, as well as coming from a rural background. Was that an outrageous one? No, in the UK cattle kill a couple of walkers a year so quite reasonable although unlikely. Likewise, in Australia the ABC released a bit the other week saying that cattle and horses were the biggest killers.
So based on that anecdote, if we look at how those are attending a festival or concert view the risks they are taking, what would they want to do to minimise their risks? They're going to do the party anyway, the drugs are part of that and what keeps them going for 14hrs+, so let's make it safer. If the government won't legalise the stuff, and therefore it's all made in a back room somewhere, let's make sure those people know what they're buying in the safest possible way.
People do different things to get their adrenaline highs - I tend to do something on my mountain bike or in the past whitewater kayaking and canoeing (which does also kill people), others do things involving driving fast/hard tracks etc - and this is just one of those things.
Most importantly, pill use is different to some of the other drug misuses, as it is not a daily habit - it's more likely to be a once in a while event, so the source can vary a lot... hence why testing is so important.
No...drugs are not part of that. Majority of people do not do drugs. Only the stupid and criminals that sell or take drugs are affected. How do we minimise the risk? We have....its called education. The people taking the drugs know too well the risks but decide to take a chance anyway. If I put 6 pills in front of you and said they are all asprin bar one...would you take the risk? I bet not. These music venues do not want drugs at the event. It will force them to shut down after repeated dolts kill themselves through their own stupidity! Why the hell would I want my tax money spent on trying to protect(its dubious if it would anyway) fools who buy illegal substances from criminals and know nothing of the chemical makeup but decide they,d risk their life anyway? Plenty of people out with real problems that need a break rather than some loser doing drugs.
Post by: Pottsy on January 03, 2019, 10:45:54 AM
I have no issue with pill testing if it prevents a death, some users would be naive, others reckless, peer pressure is a frightening force.
I also have no issue with the prosecution of those who manufacture and peddle this poison. Like many things the prosecution of the user is essential but it has little effect on the overall usage.
I'm not sure there would be any of us who haven't at one point done something illegal.
As adults we have all tried to educate and raise our children to the best of our abilities but we cannot protect them 24hours a day.
This may be seen as simplistic, we strive for zero road deaths but this is a goal which is unacheivable just based around the sheer numbers of vehicles on the road at any given time but we do everything thing we can to mitigate the number of deaths at an enormous cost to the community via policing, safety campaigns, better roads, driver training etc.
Similarly we do the same for drug and alcohol addictions and there are still deaths, we will not prevent them all but we should try to mitigate the number of deaths
Post by: Bird on January 03, 2019, 11:13:04 AM
(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.981%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_1126/t_crop_custom/w_780/t_sharpen%2Cq_auto%2Cf_auto%2Cdpr_auto/d5b2d9791d4e32ee17c23ca7bb0576e3055351e7)
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/it-s-a-lemon-opal-tower-owners-and-residents-rage-at-building-debacle-20190102-p50p6c.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/it-s-a-lemon-opal-tower-owners-and-residents-rage-at-building-debacle-20190102-p50p6c.html)
Post by: #jonesy on January 03, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
So, is this Opal coming down?
(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.981%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_1126/t_crop_custom/w_780/t_sharpen%2Cq_auto%2Cf_auto%2Cdpr_auto/d5b2d9791d4e32ee17c23ca7bb0576e3055351e7)
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/it-s-a-lemon-opal-tower-owners-and-residents-rage-at-building-debacle-20190102-p50p6c.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/it-s-a-lemon-opal-tower-owners-and-residents-rage-at-building-debacle-20190102-p50p6c.html)
You could almost run a poll
- it will stay after being fixed
It will stay as a deserted buildong, like many in Christchurch after the quake
- it will come down on its own 😲
- it will come down (knocked down)
Post by: Bird on January 03, 2019, 01:08:54 PM
You could almost run a pollthey will be cheap as piss to buy in few mths time... perfect rentals to "new australians" at $500/wk.
- it will stay after being fixed
It will stay as a deserted buildong, like many in Christchurch after the quake
- it will come down on its own 😲
- it will come down (knocked down)
Edit:: Could you get insurance on an apartment there anymore?
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 03, 2019, 02:26:06 PM
So, is this Opal coming down?
(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.981%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_1126/t_crop_custom/w_780/t_sharpen%2Cq_auto%2Cf_auto%2Cdpr_auto/d5b2d9791d4e32ee17c23ca7bb0576e3055351e7)
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/it-s-a-lemon-opal-tower-owners-and-residents-rage-at-building-debacle-20190102-p50p6c.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/it-s-a-lemon-opal-tower-owners-and-residents-rage-at-building-debacle-20190102-p50p6c.html)
Geez Bruce, a small tub of spak-filler will fix that.... its a new building for Shits sake, it will have some settling "hair-line cracks".
And, if you've seen Hairs Crack, you'll know why its being considered ok. (He sent me a photo once) ;D
Post by: rockrat on January 03, 2019, 09:03:30 PM
So, is this Opal coming down?Given the media’s propensity for sensationalism, I reckon it won’t be as bad as reported. They’ll fix it and in 5 years the prices will be back to where they would have been anyway.
(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.981%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_1126/t_crop_custom/w_780/t_sharpen%2Cq_auto%2Cf_auto%2Cdpr_auto/d5b2d9791d4e32ee17c23ca7bb0576e3055351e7)
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/it-s-a-lemon-opal-tower-owners-and-residents-rage-at-building-debacle-20190102-p50p6c.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/it-s-a-lemon-opal-tower-owners-and-residents-rage-at-building-debacle-20190102-p50p6c.html)
Post by: Pete79 on January 03, 2019, 09:55:10 PM
It would be interesting to see some hard data on the number of pills tested in relation to harmful vs non harmful and the number of users who did or did not take their pills after testing and being spoken too about the dangers.https://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/act/overwhelming-success-calls-for-expanding-pill-testing-after-canberra-trial-20180619-p4zmdn.html (https://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/act/overwhelming-success-calls-for-expanding-pill-testing-after-canberra-trial-20180619-p4zmdn.html)
I have no issue with pill testing if it prevents a death, some users would be naive, others reckless, peer pressure is a frightening force.
Quote
More than 80 per cent of participants in the Australian-first pill testing trial at Canberra's Groovin the Moo believed they were taking MDMA, also known as ecstasy, when in reality less than half of all samples contained relatively pure MDMA, a new report has found.
The final report by the STA-Safe consortium, published on Wednesday, into April's trial at the Canberra music festival found that while 70 out of the trial's 83 participants believed they had bought MDMA, only 42 of the 70 pills contained some MDMA, and 32 contained a high purity.
The report also said patrons as young as 15 had bought pills in for testing at the festival, and 45 per cent of those taking part were aged 20 or younger.
Final analysis of data collected during the trial showed 125 people visited the pill-testing tent at the music festival. Eighty five drug samples were provided, 83 of them were usable test results.
Of the 83 samples tested on the day of the trial, 42 contained MDMA as the primary ingredient, while 17 contained fillers or cutting agents. Three people thought they had bought cocaine, but cocaine was the main ingredient in only two of the three samples and only one was relatively pure.
One drug was ketamine, an anesthestic and hallucinogen. Antihistamine, caffeine, dietary supplements, oil as well as toothpaste were also listed as some of the main ingredients in samples.
While some of the pills tested contained various types of paints and poisons, one pill had an ingredient linked to many deaths in Europe.
Staff reported finding several discarded pills on the floor when cleaning up after the event.
It would be a pretty safe assumption to say once word had got out that there was killer pills tested at the event then heaps of kids would have been throwing their pills away and not taking the risk.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 04, 2019, 06:17:38 AM
Illegal drugs are illegal .
Why are people trying to assist an illegal action?
Those who manufacture these drugs , they are breaking the law .
Those who are selling these drugs , they are breaking the law .
Those who are taking these drugs , are breaking the law .
Instead of assisting people to break the law . The laws need to change .
If a persons dies from taking illegal drugs , the person who sold them the drug should be charged with manslaughter .manslaughter. n. the unlawful killing of another person without premeditation or so-called "malice aforethought" ( Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, or from an unlawful act that is a misdemeanor or low-level felony )
If the manufacturer is then found he/she should be charged with murder . Murder. n . is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse.
These people make and sell drugs with the full knowledge that they may/will kill .
When I was at Ipswich hospital a week ago, i was asked if I took recreational drugs, to which I replied, you mean illegal drugs?
I don't agree with injecting rooms or anything similar either.
It would seem, to me anyway, are people more inclined to play follow the leader, more now than in the past.
Tattoos, what a waste that is.
Good looking girls and guys, ruining themselves with ink.
One person, at some point, stuck a small hoop in their ear..... now you have massive holes in ear lobes you could near drive through.
Shorts hanging off young guys bums.
Massive numbers of piecing's.
Lets not forget man buns.
So, is it peer pressure that pushes these folks to swallow, inject or smoke the Shit they do?
I sure don't remember this happening when I was a whole lot younger.
I have no friggin idea, how in hell, they will ever fix the ice problem we now have.
Even when you look at the penalty's for dealing drugs, its not all that high.
A few years ago, when Brett Stevens the drag racer went to the big house, it was 13 years and it was touted as being a very severe sentence.
I reckon it should've been closer to 20 years, based on the after effect of what drugs do.
I sure as hell don't know the answer, but based on history, neither does anyone else.
Post by: krisandkev on January 04, 2019, 06:49:02 AM
Post by: Pete79 on January 04, 2019, 07:13:45 AM
I’m pretty sure you weren’t one of those 80’s youths with all that cocaine, hair spray, fluro cloths and fingerless gloves.
Every older generation has said the younger is stupid with their fashion and lifestyle choices.
Post by: Bigfish on January 04, 2019, 07:29:13 AM
Oh Jeepers.... If only you heard all the things the old guys where saying about all of you young pot smoking acid taking hippies with your long hair, mutton chops and those stupid bell bottom jeans....
I’m pretty sure you weren’t one of those 80’s youths with all that cocaine, hair spray, fluro cloths and fingerless gloves.
Every older generation has said the younger is stupid with their fashion and lifestyle choices.
True Pete. Problem is nowadays people dont want toaccept responsibility for their actions. The courts wont give harsh sentences because our jails are overloaded (and the crims know this). 40 years ago tv and newspapers took way longer than 24 hours to report an event. With social media, mobile phones, internet etc.etc...we virtually have live news 24 hours a day. Everyone knows drugs can kill. The concoctions mad up these days are way more sophisticated (as well as deadly) than what was available 40 years ago. Also much, much more available. .
So we have people taking illegal drugs, known to be possibly deadly, bought from an unknown source and taken at an event where the promoters do not want the drugs. Yet some do gooders want the highly illegal drugs tested to ensure the taker all is well. As I said...can we also allow a car-jacker to take his stolen vehicle in for a roadworthy to ensure he doesnt have an accident due to a fault vehicle?.
Stop bloody treating criminals as anything but! The age of entitlement and non-responsibility should be over. Our hospitals, jails and welfare system is clogged with people who couldnt care less about anyone but themselves.
Bell bottomed jeans.....if caught now I,d reckon a 6 month jail term for crimes against humanity would be fair.. ;D
Post by: achjimmy on January 04, 2019, 07:30:01 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/singapore-is-winning-the-war-on-drugs-heres-how/2018/03/11/b8c25278-22e9-11e8-946c-9420060cb7bd_story.html?utm_term=.d05ae1de9337 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/singapore-is-winning-the-war-on-drugs-heres-how/2018/03/11/b8c25278-22e9-11e8-946c-9420060cb7bd_story.html?utm_term=.d05ae1de9337)
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 04, 2019, 07:32:33 AM
I can remember, having a couple of puffs on a joint at about 17, but as a non smoker, I coughed and hacked and nearly threw up.
I never understood spending the money on that sort of stuff, when I could invest more wisely in modified car parts and the like.
Post by: austastar on January 04, 2019, 08:41:14 AM
Don't knock the bell bottoms, or flairs as I think they were called.
There is still a yellow pair of those at the left side of my wardrobe.
Cheers
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Post by: Rumpig on January 04, 2019, 09:01:11 AM
When I was at Ipswich hospital a week ago, i was asked if I took recreational drugs, to which I replied, you mean illegal drugs?c'mon Kev, you'd look great with a set of calamari ears I reckon...lol.
I don't agree with injecting rooms or anything similar either.
It would seem, to me anyway, are people more inclined to play follow the leader, more now than in the past.
Tattoos, what a waste that is.
Good looking girls and guys, ruining themselves with ink.
One person, at some point, stuck a small hoop in their ear..... now you have massive holes in ear lobes you could near drive through.
Shorts hanging off young guys bums.
Massive numbers of piecing's.
Lets not forget man buns.
So, is it peer pressure that pushes these folks to swallow, inject or smoke the Shit they do?
I sure don't remember this happening when I was a whole lot younger.
I have no friggin idea, how in hell, they will ever fix the ice problem we now have.
Even when you look at the penalty's for dealing drugs, its not all that high.
A few years ago, when Brett Stevens the drag racer went to the big house, it was 13 years and it was touted as being a very severe sentence.
I reckon it should've been closer to 20 years, based on the after effect of what drugs do.
I sure as hell don't know the answer, but based on history, neither does anyone else.
Post by: glenm64 on January 04, 2019, 09:32:26 AM
Post by: Bird on January 04, 2019, 09:34:43 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers
Tattoos, what a waste that is.Yep agree totally,. theres one at the local NQR store, that is about 16-18, full legs and full arms, neck the lot coated... no wonder she works at NQR..
Good looking girls and guys, ruining themselves with ink.
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One person, at some point, stuck a small hoop in their ear..... now you have massive holes in ear lobes you could near drive through.Small hoop in the ear... I see you 1 small hoop in the ear, and raise you 1 pure fuktard.
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Post by: Bird on January 04, 2019, 09:41:02 AM
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Should campers on public land be able to reserve the same site, year after year?It's a heated issue that has reached boiling point at a sought-after South Gippsland coastal campsite, after its management switched from allowing automatic renewals to a ‘‘first come, first served’’ booking system.
Long-term campers are angry, and anxious that their treasured annual reunions with family and friends in adjacent caravans, are about to end.
But campers who have difficulty booking sites in summer say everyone should have the opportunity to camp on public land.
One woman said some renewers were ‘‘entitled’’ and ‘‘territorial’’.
Helen Nicholls with her son Tom, husband Mark and son Jake have camped at Walkerville for many summers.Credit:Simon Schluter
Until now, campers at Walkerville Foreshore Reserve, which overlooks Wilsons Prom, 190 kilometres south-east of Melbourne, have been able to re-book the same site for the next summer when they checked out, with a $50 deposit.
Regulars' sites were discreetly reserved, so that new people who tried to snare them were told they were taken.
But the Walkerville Foreshore Reserve Committee has ruled that for the 2019-20 summer high season, all campers will have to go online from 9am on May 1, selecting a campsite from a website catalogue.
Helen Nicholls says it will be ‘‘fastest finger first’’ and this could be her last Walkerville holiday after 24 summers here.
Her sons Jake, 23, and Tom, 20, both have autism – Tom's is severe, with an intellectual disability.
She says Tom feels secure and her mind is at rest because the layout – kiosk, beach and playground – is familiar to him.
Tom happily sits for hours feeding the rosellas or goes on walks with his parents.
If Tom, who is non-verbal, starts flapping and clapping, other campers ‘‘treat him like a regular person, they say hello to him, which is lovely’’.
Ms Nicholls said long-term campers are ‘‘very angry’’ at the new non-renewal regime.
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At Wilsons Prom, campers wanting one of Tidal River’s 484 campsites between Christmas Eve and Australia Day went into a ballot between June 1 and June 30 last year.
One site still allowing regulars to renew is foreshore that Mornington Peninsula Shire manages along Rosebud, Rye and Sorrento, where about 800 regulars can apply by January 26 for their old sites for the following year.
The remaining 400 or so other sites consist of two to five-week stays, secured through a ballot.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/unhappy-gippsland-campers-face-losing-their-annual-camping-spots-20190103-p50pf8.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/unhappy-gippsland-campers-face-losing-their-annual-camping-spots-20190103-p50pf8.html)
Post by: duggie on January 04, 2019, 09:59:36 AM
Tattoos, what a waste that is.
Good looking girls and guys, ruining themselves with ink
Tattoo parlors will go broke if Centrelink brings in the cashless card system .
Post by: JD-120 on January 04, 2019, 10:10:35 AM
Post by: Bigfish on January 04, 2019, 10:24:10 AM
Post by: Bigfish on January 04, 2019, 10:25:56 AM
Yep agree totally,. theres one at the local NQR store, that is about 16-18, full legs and full arms, neck the lot coated... no wonder she works at NQR..
Small hoop in the ear... I see you 1 small hoop in the ear, and raise you 1 pure fuktard.
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Can save money by doing his own annual tooth checkup.. Handy for quick snacks...you can gnaw on a dim sim and stick a chicko roll through your cheek as well....... :angel:
Post by: Bird on January 04, 2019, 10:30:40 AM
"Hi dad.. meat my new boyfriend"
Can save money by doing his own annual tooth checkup.. Handy for quick snacks...you can gnaw on a dim sim and stick a chicko roll through your cheek as well....... :angel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE0mRJlQwUs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE0mRJlQwUs)
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 04, 2019, 03:57:25 PM
What the f happens when he sneezes, because covering his mouth isn't gunna do a lot.
Post by: OldPaj on January 04, 2019, 06:28:42 PM
She was really proud of it and it only cost her $1000 per inch! from a tattooist in rural Vic.
Post by: Troopy_03 on January 04, 2019, 07:05:59 PM
Flairs were only cool if you had the platform shoes to go with them.And a paisley shirt....
That reminds me, where is my paisley shirt.... ???
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 05, 2019, 04:44:44 AM
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 05, 2019, 05:40:12 AM
My thoughts - first come first served
I think its sad when folks play the "my two boys have autism" or the "scattered ashes" card.
Lots of folks have similar situations...... stop trying to put a guilt trip on everyone.
Just imagine the phone conversation some of these campers had with the management.
I think, if ya snared the best posy for all this time, wouldn't it be nice to let someone else get a shot at it.
If they don't want to camp in a different spot, maybe they need to rethink if they really liked it that much in the first place.
Post by: #jonesy on January 05, 2019, 05:46:30 AM
Post by: Bigfish on January 05, 2019, 06:30:50 AM
All the reasons they give for why they should keep it are exactly the same reasons why they shouldn't, so it can be shared around. After all it is public property.
Wrong Jonesy...It is the age of entitlement and being at the centre of the universe.... Why share when for 20 years we have had our way and stuff the rest!!!
Maybe they consider it "their" public property...
Post by: Paddler Ed on January 05, 2019, 08:08:21 AM
Wrong Jonesy...It is the age of entitlement and being at the centre of the universe.... Why share when for 20 years we have had our way and stuff the rest!!!
Maybe they consider it "their" public property...
And it's not the younger generation who are expecting it - it's those who are in their 50s and 60s...
Post by: Bird on January 05, 2019, 01:13:29 PM
I was talking to the neighbours dipsheet daughter about her full sleeve tattoo and how it looked (yukk in my opinion but didn't mention it that way).she has a house deposit on her that she will hate in 20 yrs time when she gets fat and saggy... WTF?
She was really proud of it and it only cost her $1000 per inch! from a tattooist in rural Vic.
Post by: MattNQ on January 09, 2019, 01:35:41 AM
https://regionalroads.vic.gov.au/news/superload-coming-through-south-western-victoria(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190108/71dc878032fea25993d86ad614f61f42.jpg)
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Post by: macca on January 09, 2019, 05:55:15 AM
And it's not the younger generation who are expecting it - it's those who are in their 50s and 60s...Dont agree with them assuming rights of privilege on public land but I suppose they are in their 50s and 60s cause they have been camping there for twenty years. INTFH
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Post by: #jonesy on January 09, 2019, 07:32:20 AM
Post by: Fizzie on January 09, 2019, 07:42:16 AM
Sorry, because they obviously love it, but I can't see the thrill of going to the same site in the same park for 50+ years ???
Post by: #jonesy on January 09, 2019, 07:48:52 AM
Post by: Bird on January 09, 2019, 08:43:04 AM
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but I can't see the thrill of going to the same site in the same park for 50+ years ???
Remember when i was looking into an onsite van 20+ years ago and talkin to a mate - he said that and got me thinking... then I bought a swag..
Post by: KingBilly on January 09, 2019, 09:24:11 AM
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=55686.0;topicseen (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=55686.0;topicseen)
KB
Post by: Bird on January 09, 2019, 09:43:19 AM
Quote from: MattNQ
Saw this on FB. Bit of excitement on Victorian roads this week. Fancy moving this combination around - 663 tonnes, 115m long, 4 prime movers....yea like to see this...
https://regionalroads.vic.gov.au/news/superload-coming-through-south-western-victoria
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Post by: Fizzie on January 11, 2019, 09:54:05 AM
It happened eight days ago and you all missed it.
Not all of us 8) ;D