Post by: Bird on June 19, 2019, 12:42:13 PM
I'm up for a new screwdriver set, the Stanley one bought 5 odd years ago was disappointing to say the least.
What brands do you consider 'quality' these days and how do you keep up with it.
Was looking at a Toledo set, $$$$ but if it is quality and I only have to buy once, I'll be happy.
Your thoughts?
Post by: paceman on June 19, 2019, 12:57:30 PM
i was checking out these screwdriver sets:
https://www.totaltools.com.au/hand-tools/screwdrivers/screwdriver-sets/69810-sidchrome-8-piece-tang-thru-screwdriver-set-scmt29110 (https://www.totaltools.com.au/hand-tools/screwdrivers/screwdriver-sets/69810-sidchrome-8-piece-tang-thru-screwdriver-set-scmt29110)
https://www.totaltools.com.au/hand-tools/screwdrivers/screwdriver-sets/87915-crescent-10pc-industrial-screwdriver-set-tang-thru-csdind10 (https://www.totaltools.com.au/hand-tools/screwdrivers/screwdriver-sets/87915-crescent-10pc-industrial-screwdriver-set-tang-thru-csdind10)
Post by: weeds on June 19, 2019, 01:46:38 PM
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Post by: Pottsy on June 19, 2019, 01:54:16 PM
Its hard these days to know what is good, as sometimes what used to be "THE" brand is no longer the quality it used to be or that the name it was built on
I'm up for a new screwdriver set, the Stanley one bought 5 odd years ago was disappointing to say the least.
What brands do you consider 'quality' these days and how do you keep up with it.
Was looking at a Toledo set, $$$$ but if it is quality and I only have to buy once, I'll be happy.
This is a bit of a ford Holden argument, having worked in the tool game for over 35 years the one thing I know for sure is tradies tend to have a preference for a particular brand and are usually very loyal.
The issue you have is you have nowadays is things were the same quality as 25 or even 50 years ago the pricing would be over the top. Stick with the reputable brands and you should be covered by reasonable warranties and guarantees.
I know I haven't answered your question as to which brand, maybe rather than buying a new set pick up individuals to rebuild your set, more expensive option though.
I know Sutton Tools are now bringing in Bondhus Screwdrivers if you can locate some give them a crack, if they are as good as their hex keys they will be bloody good. Bondhus are very strict with t,he grade of steels they use, US made and lifetime warranties, no questions asked.
How do I know, I sold Bondhus for twenty plus years.
Post by: Bigfish on June 19, 2019, 03:51:24 PM
Post by: Merts on June 19, 2019, 04:11:33 PM
Haven't looked closely at their screwdrivers but based on the build of the socket set I'd expect they'd be good too.
Post by: achjimmy on June 19, 2019, 04:21:39 PM
I agree with weeds re sparkies they know good drivers .
Wiha is good, so is vessel. I have a great snap on driver also. With Stanley there was the cheap and dearer range which looked similar. I love the big square drive Stanley , can do anything .
Spanners if money was no object I’d buy stahlwille every time. Besides what you see I also know that they keep a tighter hex tolerance than the others in there manufacturing.
Good luck
Post by: Steffo1 on June 19, 2019, 06:45:38 PM
Post by: McGirr on June 19, 2019, 07:15:11 PM
Mark
Post by: Barrabart on June 19, 2019, 11:36:33 PM
The spanners however have remained surface rust free.
Post by: nab on June 20, 2019, 12:41:57 AM
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 20, 2019, 04:11:42 AM
Screw drivers are either Snap-on or Stanley... mostly... but there is the odd cheapie "ring-in" in there as well.
These days, if I need a specific tool for the shed, I get Kinchrome.
Just like the quality of the cars, the tools have suffered as well.
Its not something I can change, so I deal with it and move on.
Post by: Swannie on June 20, 2019, 07:09:50 AM
No receipt needed
Swannie
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 20, 2019, 07:35:56 AM
it stands for Rip Every Poor C... Off.
Post by: kylarama on June 20, 2019, 07:54:48 AM
Sunflag. Made in Japan, thru tang and an awesome grip.
https://www.endeavourtools.com.au/slotted-phillips
Powertool Specialists in Carlton also stock them.
As others said, Repco is pretty good too. Don't know if it still is, but used to be made by Sidchrome.
They're currently clearing out superseded lines. I posted in the have you found a bargain thread. I picked up a 47 piece 3/8" deep drive Socket set for under $60. Reduced from $175.
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Post by: Bigfish on June 20, 2019, 08:09:16 AM
Post by: Bad Scott on June 20, 2019, 08:42:43 AM
I have the old school kinchrome 1/2" socket set. I still have the 10mm socket too
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Post by: Rumpig on June 20, 2019, 11:14:35 AM
I use Milwaukee battery drills/torch/reciprocating saw. Absolutely great dependable tools. Contemplating buying the chainsaw(battery) as well but at $850 its a big ask. Plus I have a good petrol husky. Had lots of Bosche/Makita/DeWalt...Milwaukee every time for me.a few weeks ago I bought a Milwaukee 6 piece cordless kit, gotta say that the drill is the most gutless cordless drill I have used in a long time. I got 5 X 5AH batteries in my kit...they seem to go flat way quicker then my old Hilti 5AH batteries do. In saying that, I do rate the reciprocal saw, it’s a lot heavier to hold then the other gear and performs pretty good. My neighbour has several of thier chainsaws at his work (Energex) and says they seem to go ok.
Post by: Pete79 on June 20, 2019, 11:52:21 AM
I don't rate the kit at all.
2 of the 3 batteries died a couple of months out of warrantee, and there is nowhere near the rage of skins that other brands have. I'm kind of stuck with them now...
As for hand tools.... Well....
As you found out it's not about the brand name anymore, it's the range that each brand does.
Your Stanley screwdriver set is the perfect example.
I've still got half a Stanley screwdriver kit that I bought 25 years ago and recently went and bought another kit to replace the missing bits.
I didn't look in the box before I walked to the counter, I got home to find I'd bought a set of soft handled junk with tips made out of the softest compound metal know to man....
The 25 year old stanley drivers are still in my tool bag, the brand new set are all in the bin....
I see you can still buy the good ones, but they package the junk ones in similar boxes for sucker like me that just assume it's all the same quality product that we know and trust.
Oh, and for sockets and spanners I have a mix of JBS (almost 30 year old sockets), Repco, Kingcrome and Sidchrome.
I'm not running a professional precission workshop and I don't get sucked into the hype. I say as long as you stick to the mid-range or better items then you won't really get let down.
Post by: Bird on June 20, 2019, 01:40:14 PM
Quote from: Pete79
a set of soft handled junk with tips made out of the softest compound metal know to man....you went to the same pile as I did... never seen anything like it.
1 - But how can you tell the good from bad? What makes one better than other apart from tips made of bluetack or made of un-obtainium ???
2 - Is Sidchrome still as good as it used to be?
As for cordless stuff, Gave up long ago. Sadly if like me - you only use your gear <6 times a year so rarely get charged the batteries no matter how much you spend on gear are Shit... I've gone back to corded gear and few extension leads.
Every single person I know (both of them) have 3-5 cordless sets with dead batteries from years gone by... as been said before, cheaper to buy a new setup than a new battery...
Looking at Repco, they have 2 kits on special, one of theirs and one of Lucky-Ye's brands... might go look this weekend.
Post by: tryagain on June 20, 2019, 03:50:24 PM
With battery powertools, I have found the Ozito Power X change to be good value, 5yr swap it over at the desk warranty with no inquisition. It's best to get them when ALDI are selling their equivalent as Bunnings normally drop their prices to match. i.e. they semi regularly drop their 4ah batteries down to $39, the equivalent Milwaukee battery is 3 times the price. If you are using as part of earning your income then it might be worth the extra, For the occasional diy use I don't see the value in it. I have bought more expensive brands in the past only to be disappointed.
Post by: kylarama on June 20, 2019, 04:30:14 PM
1 - But how can you tell the good from bad? What makes one better than other apart from tips made of bluetack or made of un-obtainium ???
Unfortunately these days you've got to suck it and see for yourself. Otherwise, do what you've done and ask.
I've got a few Stanley screwdrivers that are 20 plus years old. The old coloured plastic handles stamped with Australia. Shafts have gone a bit discolored/rusty, but the tips are still great. The current Stanley's still look the same, the Australia stamp is missing, have a nice shiny chrome shaft and strip out on any screw over 5nm of torque....
Stanley stuff is hit and miss these days. Their traditional style handtools are still pretty good (except chisels!), I just bought 2 new blades for a 45 year old sureform rasp last month. Socket sets and spanners in the yellow metal tins are still pretty good quality.
Anything with 'Fatmax' or other catchy Stanley line names is a bit junky with fancy packaging.
Irwin have completely destroyed brands like Record Marples and Vicegrips. Once quality brands purchased by Irwin and now made in China for the lowest price.
Stanley bought out Irwin a few years ago. Apparently it's going to become a Bunnings exclusive brand.
As for cordless stuff, Gave up long ago. Sadly if like me - you only use your gear <6 times a year so rarely get charged the batteries no matter how much you spend on gear are Shit... I've gone back to corded gear and few extension leads.
The lithium stuff has a pretty good shelf life, unlike the old nicad and Nickle metal batteries. I've been off the tools now for 9 years and some of my original Makita lithium batteries have only died in the last 2 years.
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Post by: Pottsy on June 20, 2019, 05:26:38 PM
The whole business changed its name to Irwin Tools for marketing purposes as it was becoming increasingly difficult to advertise the 26 major brands we owned.
Irwin did in fact move some manufacturing to China, but it was not to the lowest bidder, they did in fact build some of their own manufacturing plants in conjunction with other Newell Rubbermaid divisions. I know 1st hand the difficulties we had during the transition and the pain it caused the business with ensuring the quality matched that of previous UK and US supply.
Irwin was purchased by Stanley Tools in March 2017 globally, at this time I retired from the business (Irwin) and the decision to supply Bunnings exclusively with Irwin branded product was in 2018.
I worked for Record, ATC Tools and Irwin in their various guises for over 28 years and visited many of our global manufacturing plants.
I can assure you there are very few manufacturers who have not looked to Asian countries for supply over the last 40 years. India, Taiwan, Thailand, Japan and China have all been manufacturing Brand named products for over 50 plus years.
Post by: Pete79 on June 20, 2019, 06:18:39 PM
All packaging and branding is the same. 2 have no place of manufacturing (assuming China) and 1 is made in Brasil. Go figure....
Post by: kylarama on June 20, 2019, 06:27:54 PM
Just to put the record straight, Irwin didn't purchase Vise grip,
. I know 1st hand the difficulties we had during the transition and the pain it caused the business with ensuring the quality matched that of previous UK and US supply.
Thanks for clarifying. When everything got rebranded, I assumed it was a buyout.
Sadly quality of the Irwin branded vice grips, quick grips and Marples is massive. The stuff I've bought in the last 15 years is not a patch on the stuff I got during my apprenticeship in the 90's. Worst were the Irwin blue chip chisels. They loose their edge or chip in seconds flat, compared to the Sheffield made Record Marples blue chips.
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Post by: Pottsy on June 20, 2019, 06:44:36 PM
Thanks for clarifying. When everything got rebranded, I assumed it was a buyout.
Sadly quality of the Irwin branded vice grips, quick grips and Marples is massive. The stuff I've bought in the last 15 years is not a patch on the stuff I got during my apprenticeship in the 90's. Worst were the Irwin blue chip chisels. They loose their edge or chip in seconds flat, compared to the Sheffield made Record Marples blue chips.
That's what happens when a huge corporation with numerous divisions seeks cost savings via material costs and reduction in material suppliers. One of the reasons the move from UK to China was because the old plant in Sheffield had suffered under no capital expenditure for modernisation, when the crunch came it was just cost prohibitive.
We will see Branded products move back to original manufacturing locations at some stage as wages costs etc continue to rise in Asian countries, this with shipping costs, excise, import tariffs etc will eventually even up the playing field. Not saying overnight, but it will happen and has already happened in some instances.
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Post by: DrewXT on June 20, 2019, 09:03:08 PM
Been very happy with repco branded tools, lifetime warranty had an issue with a damaged screwdriver that if had about 10 years, walked in to repco store they looked at it and just gave me a brand new setA new set for a single damaged tool? I knew their warranty was great, but that's awesome!!
No receipt needed
Swannie
I snapped a Repco breaker bar a couple of years ago on a set that's about 26 years old, and handed over the same part, no questions asked....
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Post by: JPH on June 20, 2019, 11:20:21 PM
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Post by: Merts on June 21, 2019, 09:04:16 AM
Post by: GBC on June 21, 2019, 08:14:44 PM
Having read all the comments about old stuff being much better quality than new gear, it strikes me that the best thing to do if you want tools, may well be to trawl through Gumtree & similar to find people who are getting rid of Dad's / Grandad's old tools after he's died!Absolutely for carpentry gear. It is common knowledge that handsaws like old Henry Disstons will not be replicated again. Same goes for planer knives and chisels etc - the old steel is invariably the best.
Anyone recommending Hilti would do well to give their green line set out lasers a swerve. When setting out grades they sag over a few hours. Not fun starting a ceiling right and having it turn into a curve over the course of a day.
Post by: Bird on June 21, 2019, 11:00:55 PM
Having read all the comments about old stuff being much better quality than new gear, it strikes me that the best thing to do if you want tools, may well be to trawl through Gumtree & similar to find people who are getting rid of Dad's / Grandad's old tools after he's died!Farm sales are off the planet awesome for finding old tools.. clearance sales, deceased estates.. but you always come away with more than you planned.