Post by: KingBilly on March 04, 2015, 05:12:55 PM
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page)
KB
Post by: fuji on March 04, 2015, 05:13:46 PM
Post by: bentnose on March 04, 2015, 05:34:43 PM
which confirms my belief they are all made in the same factory in China and just painted and branded differently
Post by: muzza01 on March 04, 2015, 05:45:31 PM
Post by: crappsy on March 04, 2015, 05:46:38 PM
Please admin
Post by: krisandkev on March 04, 2015, 05:50:30 PM
So are there any compliant ones of this type? It is a shame as they are dam handy. Kevin
Post by: #jonesy on March 04, 2015, 06:12:18 PM
Post by: rags on March 04, 2015, 06:37:02 PM
So are there any compliant ones of this type? It is a shame as they are dam handy. Kevin
NO
Post by: rags on March 04, 2015, 06:39:35 PM
Just bought a dozen cartridges at anaconda today!
Take them back as they are not needed. Maybe in the future when new and improved cookers are developed then you may be able to use your cannisters
Post by: StrvnMrvn on March 04, 2015, 06:40:50 PM
Post by: Moggy on March 04, 2015, 06:44:56 PM
Just bought a dozen cartridges at anaconda today!Make good molotov cocktails
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Post by: Topender on March 04, 2015, 06:56:44 PM
Dave
Post by: rags on March 04, 2015, 06:57:56 PM
Watch this vid from 2.20min point to see one explode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDIWMp3cIPM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDIWMp3cIPM)
Post by: koshari on March 04, 2015, 07:00:01 PM
Post by: 6knights on March 04, 2015, 07:03:09 PM
I use them with the little blow torch that mounts on them, they come in handy for several uses, would be a shame not to have them any more.
Trevor
Post by: KingBilly on March 04, 2015, 07:05:08 PM
“Testing, undertaken at the request of NSW Fair Trading and other State gas regulators, has found a fault with the cookers’ shut-off valves, posing a risk that the devices may overheat and could explode."
KB
Post by: #jonesy on March 04, 2015, 07:08:23 PM
This has been coming for a quite a while. There have been numerous explosions with these cookers, including some being use within home units as some of our population like to cook with these cookers and woks!Not sure what was scarier, the explosion, the subtitles, the bad Engrish or the bad American accent with engrish.
Watch this vid from 2.20min point to see one explode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDIWMp3cIPM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDIWMp3cIPM)
I realised I also bought one from Aldi after Xmas to fit in the camper and still haven't used it.
Might still keep the few I have and be careful with them, by not putting anything over the can area, like it says
Post by: jetcrew on March 04, 2015, 07:11:27 PM
Maybe they should have tested the units before allowing xyz company to sell thousands of them and make a profit from selling them ..then expect that we wear the cost of throwing it out after they finally get around to doing their regulatory job.
They should force every store that ever sold them to put a post on their website and email every person on their mailing list to report the issue,
Me personally i'll keep using mine ..and yes if I blow myself up I will only have myself to blame as NSW Govt is now trying to save my life after how many years ... ;D ;D ;D
Bit rich that we wear the cost of throwing them out ..I own 5 of them.
jet ;D
Post by: tk421 on March 04, 2015, 07:12:40 PM
Post by: Cardy George on March 04, 2015, 07:20:52 PM
does that mean that the gas canisters are off the shelf as well or is it just the cooker unit?
I use them with the little blow torch that mounts on them, they come in handy for several uses, would be a shame not to have them any more.
Trevor
I work for a discount department store, I can confirm there's been nothing about withdrawing the canisters........ Yet......
Post by: Topender on March 04, 2015, 07:25:07 PM
So if they are being recalled Aust wide and NONE of them meet code or whatever ..then regardless of proof of purchase you should be entitled to a refund.
Maybe they should have tested the units before allowing xyz company to sell thousands of them and make a profit from selling them ..then expect that we wear the cost of throwing it out after they finally get around to doing their regulatory job.
They should force every store that ever sold them to put a post on their website and email every person on their mailing list to report the issue,
Me personally i'll keep using mine ..and yes if I blow myself up I will only have myself to blame as NSW Govt is now trying to save my life after how many years ... ;D ;D ;D
Bit rich that we wear the cost of throwing them out ..I own 5 of them.
jet ;D
Well said :cup:
Post by: rags on March 04, 2015, 07:36:46 PM
So if they are being recalled Aust wide and NONE of them meet code or whatever ..then regardless of proof of purchase you should be entitled to a refund.
Maybe they should have tested the units before allowing xyz company to sell thousands of them and make a profit from selling them ..then expect that we wear the cost of throwing it out after they finally get around to doing their regulatory job.
They should force every store that ever sold them to put a post on their website and email every person on their mailing list to report the issue,
Me personally i'll keep using mine ..and yes if I blow myself up I will only have myself to blame as NSW Govt is now trying to save my life after how many years ... ;D ;D ;D
Bit rich that we wear the cost of throwing them out ..I own 5 of them.
jet ;D
Q, So if they are being recalled Aust wide and NONE of them meet code or whatever ..then regardless of proof of purchase you should be entitled to a refund.
A, If you can prove that you purchased the item from supplier ten you should get refund, you may be better chasing it via manufacturer who ultimately foot any recall cost. but for $20 is the effort worth it.
Q, Maybe they should have tested the units before allowing xyz company to sell thousands of them and make a profit from selling them ..then expect that we wear the cost of throwing it out after they finally get around to doing their regulatory job.
A, The regulatory job was done, all gas products are given an approval via a private certifying body [AGA or similar], the state regulator only ensures products for sale have appropriate approval as issued by these approval bodies which was the case with these cookers having an approval, mine being AGA. If a product comes to the regulators attention regarding safety or performance then at that point they take appropriate measures. In this case Fair Trading would have arranged further testing or considered evidence of explosion before issuing this notice.
Q, They should force every store that ever sold them to put a post on their website and email every person on their mailing list to report the issue,
A, typically it is what happens
Q, Me personally i'll keep using mine ..and yes if I blow myself up I will only have myself to blame as NSW Govt is now trying to save my life after how many years ... ;D ;D ;D
A, But you maybe using it around other people including you own family who's life you could be at risk of injury or death.
Q, Bit rich that we wear the cost of throwing them out ..I own 5 of them.
A, see your point above re refund.
Post by: GeoffA on March 04, 2015, 07:37:47 PM
Post by: jetcrew on March 04, 2015, 07:42:03 PM
Q, So if they are being recalled Aust wide and NONE of them meet code or whatever ..then regardless of proof of purchase you should be entitled to a refund.
A, If you can prove that you purchased the item from supplier ten you should get refund, you may be better chasing it via manufacturer who ultimately foot any recall cost. but for $20 is the effort worth it.
Q, Maybe they should have tested the units before allowing xyz company to sell thousands of them and make a profit from selling them ..then expect that we wear the cost of throwing it out after they finally get around to doing their regulatory job.
A, The regulatory job was done, all gas products are given an approval via a private certifying body [AGA or similar], the state regulator only ensures products for sale have appropriate approval as issued by these approval bodies. If a product comes to the regulators attention regarding safety or performance then at that point they take appropriate measures. In this case Fair Trading would have arranged further testing or considered evidence of explosion before issuing this notice.
Q, They should force every store that ever sold them to put a post on their website and email every person on their mailing list to report the issue,
A, typically it is what happens
Q, Me personally i'll keep using mine ..and yes if I blow myself up I will only have myself to blame as NSW Govt is now trying to save my life after how many years ... ;D ;D ;D
A, But you maybe using it around other people including you own family who's life you could be at risk of injury or death.
Q, Bit rich that we wear the cost of throwing them out ..I own 5 of them.
A, see your point above re refund.
So this body who gave it the all clear ..what becomes of them do they get a "please explain".
I see your point regarding risking my own life vs others ..as a rule I don't allow kids around gas at any stage ..even the cook top at home ..when its on kids are not allowed in kitchen ..same same out camping ..but I take your point on board and will be extra careful to not allow innocent parties to be anywhere near it.
Jet ;D ;D
Post by: Old Bugger on March 04, 2015, 07:42:52 PM
If an oversized pan is used, the gas cartridge will get very hot and go bang and your trailer will be covered in spag bol or whatever.
Make of it what you will but I will continue to use ours as required. A shut off valve shuts off or it doesn't. Not too hard to see the difference.
Cheers,Ray
Post by: rags on March 04, 2015, 07:46:47 PM
So this body who gave it the all clear ..what becomes of them do they get a "please explain".
I see your point regarding risking my own life vs others ..as a rule I don't allow kids around gas at any stage ..even the cook top at home ..when its on kids are not allowed in kitchen ..same same out camping ..but I take your point on board and will be extra careful to not allow innocent parties to be anywhere near it.
Jet ;D ;D
the approval bodies get audited periodically
Post by: edz on March 04, 2015, 07:49:18 PM
Post by: jkwpajero on March 04, 2015, 07:51:56 PM
James
Post by: jetcrew on March 04, 2015, 07:56:53 PM
the approval bodies get audited periodically
As a layman then i would respectfully argue not periodically enough.... I have no faith in these bodies or departments.
Not attacking your industry or trade mate ;D ;D ;D
Elec is no better when I see inverters with foreign plugs and adaptors on them.
the AGA or whoever made X $$$ to put that sticker on, has egg on their face IMHO and I think now even the idiots who used the device incorrectly and hurt themselves will now have a good QC get them a decent refund on their purchase and a few damages to boot. >:D
But the rest us just get "throw it out" Yeah right ..good one Fair Trading and NSW GOVT.
Jet ;D ;D
Post by: Symon on March 04, 2015, 08:13:51 PM
Would they be OK if fitted with a rated shackle???.....
There is always one ;D :cup:
This is crazy! These cookers have been on the Australian market for many years, with the necessary gas compliance sticker attached. What's changed?
If an oversized pan is used, the gas cartridge will get very hot and go bang and your trailer will be covered in spag bol or whatever.
Make of it what you will but I will continue to use ours as required. A shut off valve shuts off or it doesn't. Not too hard to see the difference.
Cheers,Ray
Did you see the video? If you just get spag bol sprayed around then you are lucky, it is more likely you will get seriously injured or worse.
Post by: koshari on March 04, 2015, 08:40:10 PM
Post by: scarpsD40 on March 04, 2015, 09:10:34 PM
Would they be OK if fitted with a rated shackle???.....I've heard that the problem only relates to chinese copy Butane cookers.
Post by: AdrianLR on March 04, 2015, 09:25:14 PM
Thinking laterally, there's a HUGE market for an alternative. Government pays for the marketing by default, you just add the byline - Safe, Convenient, Dependable (& Made in Australia???) Who's in?
Post by: GeoffA on March 04, 2015, 09:27:06 PM
........ (& Made in Australia???) ....
By who??...... (or should that be whom?)....
Post by: AdrianLR on March 04, 2015, 09:35:11 PM
By who??...... (or should that be whom?)....by the same crowd who make the shackles.
Post by: xcvator on March 04, 2015, 09:41:51 PM
Post by: Team Evil on March 05, 2015, 05:49:27 AM
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page)[/url]
Just saw as a sticky above..
Post by: Bill on March 05, 2015, 05:54:41 AM
As far as I understood from the memo the problem begins when people use large enough pans to cover the butane canister. That forces the heat back onto the canister which can not be a good idea at all.
The instructions clearly state not to do this.
I never even knew there was a problem until we got the memo.
Bill
Post by: griz066 on March 05, 2015, 06:04:15 AM
Link here (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page)
Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 05, 2015, 06:16:12 AM
GG
Post by: GeoffA on March 05, 2015, 06:32:48 AM
by the same crowd who make the shackles.
;D ;D :cup: :cup:
Post by: dales133 on March 05, 2015, 07:01:22 AM
Post by: weeds on March 05, 2015, 07:30:45 AM
So much for this logo on the units then ... Wonder how many have exploded from proper use by people that have read the operating instructions ..
Type A approval forays produced items.
I know for Type B (specialist gas appliance) approval it's quite involved.
I only just brought one of these cookers, never used one prior, didn't read the instructions and managed to make liquid propane or what ever it is come out.
I got my value out of it on one trip, will continue to use as there must be 100 000's of these out there.
I would like to see the actual statistics on issues with them.
Post by: tk421 on March 05, 2015, 07:33:22 AM
Post by: 4wd26 on March 05, 2015, 07:34:40 AM
mine is nearing- actually just worked it out has to be over 15 years old.
or is it the fundamental design
Post by: Ratbag on March 05, 2015, 07:42:48 AM
Then decided to spend $30 each on two gas fuses for my two ordinary gas bottles. Wonderful invention, the gas "fuse". My Coleman two burner is about 50 y.o. and still works perfectly.
LPG is bloody dangerous, but as any weldor trained with acetylene will tell you, it's not as dangerous as acetylene. Crikey, the gas appliances in many of our homes are very dangerous too. They need to be serviced every couple of years, specially central heating units.
Post by: Ratbag on March 05, 2015, 08:00:04 AM
I got 2 of the companion stainless ones at the show, are they ok
Gidday Dales
From my reading, the design is inherently dangerous. While failing to do as the instructions say is patently dangerous, it is also very bad design to have the gas source so close to heat and a source of ignition.
When our gas kiln was installed, the inspector at Supagas inspected it when he delivered the two 45L bottles and required us to move a waste water drain grate a minimum of 500mm further away from where the bottles were (the position of the bottles could not be changed as they either have to be about 2-3m from the kiln, or on the other side of a fireproof wall - steel cladding doesn't count), and to change the slope so that the concrete between the grate and the bottles sloped away from the drain and grate towards the gas bottles. As he pointed out, if the bottles were to leak for any reason, the LPG would fill the storm water drain. Somebody three houses away lights up a fag and half the houses in this part of our street would disappear!
It cost us $1,500 to have the concrete cut, remove drain, replace drain about a metre away, re-lay concrete and paving. Better that than us all going into low earth orbit ....
Flammable gas is always bloody dangerous stuff, mate!
Post by: xcvator on March 05, 2015, 08:20:23 AM
So for me this poses a couple of questions
1/ why wasn't there a recall 5 or 6 years ago when there were several explosions
2/ How was the testing done
3/ Who asked for the testing to be done and do they have a vested interest in having the existing products recalled ie; have a replacement product waiting in the wings
or am I just being cynical ??? ??? ???
Post by: Bird on March 05, 2015, 08:32:34 AM
Post by: GregS on March 05, 2015, 08:38:04 AM
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page)
Cheers
Greg
Post by: paceman on March 05, 2015, 08:46:59 AM
Morning all, my better half was on Facebook this morning and found this, anyone know about it?
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page)
Cheers
Greg
i'm confused... this whole thread was started using this very link...
Post by: Ratbag on March 05, 2015, 08:49:42 AM
Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 05, 2015, 08:50:38 AM
i'm confused... this whole thread was started using this very link...
I have merged three new threads this morning into one to keep it in one place. That is why there is some repetition in some of the posts.
GG
Post by: paceman on March 05, 2015, 09:02:39 AM
I have merged three new threads this morning into one to keep it in one place. That is why there is some repetition in some of the posts.
GG
aahhh, makes sense now.
carry on...
Post by: Symon on March 05, 2015, 09:23:17 AM
Post by: koshari on March 05, 2015, 09:26:57 AM
Post by: koshari on March 05, 2015, 09:33:41 AM
Gidday Dales
From my reading, the design is inherently dangerous. While failing to do as the instructions say is patently dangerous, it is also very bad design to have the gas source so close to heat and a source of ignition.
When our gas kiln was installed, the inspector at Supagas inspected it when he delivered the two 45L bottles and required us to move a waste water drain grate a minimum of 500mm further away from where the bottles were (the position of the bottles could not be changed as they either have to be about 2-3m from the kiln, or on the other side of a fireproof wall - steel cladding doesn't count), and to change the slope so that the concrete between the grate and the bottles sloped away from the drain and grate towards the gas bottles. As he pointed out, if the bottles were to leak for any reason, the LPG would fill the storm water drain.
There was a pretty serious issue with gas filling a sewer a few years back in Mexico I think, it blew up about 6 city blocks.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Guadalajara_explosions
Quote
Flammable gas is always bloody dangerous stuff, mate!
So is inflammable gas
Post by: Bird on March 05, 2015, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: Symon
It's because people don't look at the stickies before posting new threads.
probably cause there are too many and most don't need to be stickys like
- Interesting to see how many members in each state (poll)
- How often do you use your camper (Poll)
- WHAT TYPE OF SUSPENSION DOES YOUR CAMPER RIDE ON POLL?
- What Fridge do you use Poll.
- Curious to see what age group the majority of members are in...Poll
Post by: koshari on March 05, 2015, 09:41:44 AM
probably cause there are too many and most don't need to be stickys like
- Interesting to see how many members in each state (poll)
- How often do you use your camper (Poll)
- WHAT TYPE OF SUSPENSION DOES YOUR CAMPER RIDE ON POLL?
- What Fridge do you use Poll.
- Curious to see what age group the majority of members are in...Poll
Looks like we need a new sticky titled "how many people read the stickies "
Post by: Bird on March 05, 2015, 09:42:08 AM
Looks like we need a new sticky titled "how many people read the stickies ":cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Post by: GregS on March 05, 2015, 09:55:47 AM
As for continuing to use these, we will as we have 3 in the camper/box trailer our daughter and her boyfriend use and 2 are in the patrol for when we go off without the van. We have never had an issue, as I did what we blokes mostly never do.....read the instructions ;D ;D. I always test each one before a trip and any that have the first sign of trouble they get "dismantled" and dropped in the bin.
My cynicism of this whole this thing is that big business is behind it trying to get these things removed as it has killed their market share, they have "found" a couple of dodgy ones and convinced the authorities that they are all the same. What I would like to know is if all 31 brands have been tested.
Post by: GregS on March 05, 2015, 10:05:15 AM
Post by: WilSurf on March 05, 2015, 10:05:40 AM
What I don't understand is how can you use it without turning the trivet as per facebook page?
Our stove can't be operated without turning it as it will not let the gas canister connect.
After seeing the chinees video you wonder how they cook. They had a large piece of silver board over the cooktop. No wonder that something will fail.
Post by: noel_w on March 05, 2015, 10:15:15 AM
My cynicism of this whole this thing is that big business is behind it trying to get these things removed as it has killed their market share, they have "found" a couple of dodgy ones and convinced the authorities that they are all the same. What I would like to know is if all 31 brands have been tested.
And I have yet to see a list of the 31 brands that are supposedly being recalled. And are there any that are "safe" and not on the recall list. Or are there only 31 brands sold and all are being recalled.
Nothing yet on here https://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/952434 (https://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/952434)
Post by: InMused on March 05, 2015, 10:28:23 AM
I can't be bothered chasing a refund on a $40 item. But does give me an excuse to buy an upgrade to LPG.
Got to look on the bright side of the situation.
Post by: koshari on March 05, 2015, 10:30:16 AM
Post by: edz on March 05, 2015, 10:34:18 AM
Post by: jkwpajero on March 05, 2015, 11:33:02 AM
Cheers
James
Post by: edz on March 05, 2015, 12:57:03 PM
Affected product names and model numbers, as at March 2015 are:
Portable Butane Cookers (currently suspended)
Model name
Model number
Home Essentials BDZ-168
Home Essentials BDZ-163S
Red Stone N/A
Bai Hui Portable Camping Stove N/A
My Collection N/A
Five Star MS-2000
Gasmate Plus MS-2000
Gasmate BC1080
Gasmaster BC1080
Jumbuck BC1080
Jackeroo BC1080
Excalibur BC1080
Unnamed model PC1070
Unnamed model PC2080
Unnamed model CM2200S
Unnamed model CM2250
Unnamed model OZ2160
Unnamed model CM2270
Unnamed model AD90
Adventuridge 509245
Companion COMP523
House Brand 509245
Kookaburra ST0990
Primus 2240
Primus 2271
Primus TLB-102L
Red Desert 509230
Spinifex 7027612
Spinifex 90024574
Jackeroo PL-121
Lunchbox cooker photo
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WooHoo My cookers arnt on the banned list... cut and paste from fair traders ..
Post by: dales133 on March 05, 2015, 01:25:11 PM
I've been using these style cookers for years though with no issues, just a usual story of brainless turds not using common sense I guess.
These primus ones look like we'll made kit though.
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Post by: hempo on March 05, 2015, 01:31:31 PM
Okay up here in Qld, and every other state, I will keep using mine also.
There would be thousands of people using them and will never know they have been recalled. As others have said, keep an eye on it, make sure no leaks etc. I can't light mine without the trivet turned over either.
Just looked up the BCF website, can still buy the double cookers? If they are going to recall the single they should also the double as a large frypan on either side will have the same effect on the can heating up.
Post by: AdrianLR on March 05, 2015, 01:33:43 PM
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Consumers/Scams/Recent_scams.page (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Consumers/Scams/Recent_scams.page)
Post by: wilson79 on March 05, 2015, 02:01:24 PM
This was posted on the ironman 4x4 facebook page. Seems it's stems from idiots not reading the instructions. Some used one without turning the trivet over, and then used a large pan. Heat the was deflected into the canister and it blew up
I am pretty sure my "U Beaut" branded 2 burner wont engage the canisters if the trivets are upside down?
Post by: twotollers on March 05, 2015, 02:02:00 PM
Post by: paulo on March 05, 2015, 02:14:04 PM
One blew up on my mates wife, she hadn't turned the trivet over the correct way.
Post by: sweetpea on March 05, 2015, 02:19:35 PM
This was posted on the ironman 4x4 facebook page. Seems it's stems from idiots not reading the instructions. Some used one without turning the trivet over, and then used a large pan. Heat the was deflected into the canister and it blew up
I have had two of these over the last 10 years and both had an interlock that prevented the gas being turned on unless the trivet was the right way up and installed correctly.
Something doesn't smell quite right in this story.
S.
Post by: alnjan on March 05, 2015, 02:23:54 PM
And I have yet to see a list of the 31 brands that are supposedly being recalled. And are there any that are "safe" and not on the recall list. Or are there only 31 brands sold and all are being recalled.
Nothing yet on here https://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/952434 (https://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/952434)
They are not being recalled.
Read the post
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page?DCSext.ref=HomePageClick:ScamandAlerts (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page?DCSext.ref=HomePageClick:ScamandAlerts)
“We recommend consumers do not buy portable cookers of this type,” Mr Stowe said.
“Compliance certification for all current models of ‘lunchbox’ type gas cookers has been suspended by the independent safety certifiers and cookers of this type can no longer be sold lawfully in NSW.
“Up to 31 models of butane gas cookers have been withdrawn from sale as they do not meet Australian Standards. Retailers in NSW should no longer be stocking or selling these products.
Mr Stowe said consumers who have purchased cookers should refrain from using them.
“Consumers who have purchased a non-compliant gas cooker and have proof of the purchase should return the product to their retailer and seek a refund of the full purchase price as soon as possible.
We will choose to not refrain from using our cookers as they work well
Post by: KingBilly on March 05, 2015, 02:41:36 PM
KB
Post by: fluids on March 05, 2015, 04:57:24 PM
Before we got the camper we were using 2x Coleman 533 single burner pressure stoves (replaced all our old out of date gas cylinders). They work fantastic on shellite or ULP .... Sit a pot stand over the stove, add a large frypan, and wrap a wind break around the setup, and the fuel tank gets to insanely high temperatures (way way too hot to touch) ... and that's pressurized Shellite/ULP in a heavy steel pressure cylinder under the flame/burner ...
... not a lightweight steel tin can next to the burner ....
I'd be eerrring on the side of safety until there's a clearer outcome on the fair trading notice.
For the saftey of the lowest common denominator .... Darwin award anyone ? ;D
Post by: sweetpea on March 05, 2015, 05:04:25 PM
Post by: edz on March 05, 2015, 05:15:25 PM
Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 05, 2015, 06:07:11 PM
GG
Post by: InMused on March 05, 2015, 06:22:09 PM
Dundaburra campground on Fraser, Three back packers [ Nice Danish / german girls ] set up a 4.5 kg gas bottle on the picknic table beside us [ all the paint had been burnt off the top section ], then put a large saucepan on the top ring handle open tap and light it , huge orange yellow flames and black smoke .. Nooooo !!!! ... Got very upset when I turned it off and tried to explain why ... After digging through there gear we found the screw on burner / cooker that fitted the gas bottle ...They had cooked on the bottle for three days prior .. So how close did they come to going home in a pine board box ..
That's just bloody scary. Well done for intervening. :cup:
Post by: Herks on March 05, 2015, 07:04:01 PM
The article says, “Consumers who have purchased a non-compliant gas cooker and have proof of the purchase should return the product to their retailer and seek a refund of the full purchase price as soon as possible."
So are there any compliant ones of this type? It is a shame as they are dam handy. Kevin
Well I have 2 as well and checking the model numbers on the Fair Trading attachment, my 2 are not listed. They both have an AGA approval and both were manufactured in 2008 and still going great.
Go figure!!!
Ta
John
Post by: Pog on March 05, 2015, 08:09:40 PM
None on the shelves at Anaconda this afternoon.
GG
Same in Adelaide. I asked if I could get a few cheap, but they frowned upon it... They don't have a sense of humour.
I have used the same one for years, and never had a problem with it.
Post by: slcs78 on March 05, 2015, 08:36:23 PM
Post by: olddigger on March 05, 2015, 11:11:52 PM
When I bought the first one, my initial thought was : don't use a big pan which overlaps that canister!
If we now have to legislate to stop stupidity, this country is in more trouble than I feared.
Cheers, Tony
Post by: dales133 on March 06, 2015, 04:49:20 AM
Does anyone know?
Post by: edz on March 06, 2015, 06:26:14 AM
Post by: gordo350 on March 06, 2015, 06:32:32 AM
Post by: paceman on March 06, 2015, 06:51:06 AM
Is it only the models listed that are dangerous. Mine is not listed and I have noticed that if is is in direct sun the lever that activates the canister pops up. It wont re engage till it has cooled down. Do the listed models not do this?
i would say that if it is not currently on the list, then by definition, it is not affected.... BUT
that's not to say it won't be on the list tomorrow, or the next day, or the next day...
they recommend that you don't use this style of cooker any more... take that as you wish, but i'm going to keep using mine as it is not on the list at the moment...
Post by: dales133 on March 06, 2015, 07:16:39 AM
Post by: paceman on March 06, 2015, 07:30:02 AM
supercheapauto
campmaster - 4 pack - $4.48 ($1.12 each) CRV confirmed
rays outdoors
campmaster - 6 pack - $6.49 ($1.08 each) CRV confirmed
wild country - 6 pack - $6.49 ($1.08 each) CRV confirmed
bcf
campmaster - 6 pack - $7.99 ($1.33 each) CRV confirmed
bunnings
gasmate - 4 pack - $4.40 ($1.10 each) CRV status unknown
these are just their online prices... YMMV...
edit: CRV status of canisters added, as per KingBilly's post...
Post by: jswaggerking on March 06, 2015, 07:36:01 AM
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Post by: dales133 on March 06, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Post by: KingBilly on March 06, 2015, 07:44:01 AM
Tink
Post by: Fathom on March 06, 2015, 07:52:58 AM
To be fair to the design. They were using it without taking it properly out of the plastic case and the plate up the wrong way...
When done. They just closed the case.
Perhaps turning the gas/flame off first may have saved their stove. As a first step at least. :)
Post by: dales133 on March 06, 2015, 08:02:57 AM
Make sure you only buy CRV canistersPretty sure rays ect would only have the right ones....but I've been wrong once before :)
Tink
Post by: KingBilly on March 06, 2015, 08:12:10 AM
Pretty sure rays ect would only have the right ones....but I've been wrong once before :)
One would hope the majors are. But unfortunately non CRV cannisters are still being sold. Buyer beware.
Tink
Post by: #jonesy on March 06, 2015, 08:15:17 AM
I have a double with a plate that happens to be the perfect size. I can see a possibility of accidently sliding the plate to one side over the can. Not through ignorance or stupidty, but simply turning I er the bacon and eggs. That's the flaw in the design. If it had a short windbreak or similar between the trivet and can area, to stop pans fitting may be all that's needed.
Why don't they read the instructions? Simply do YOU read the instructions on everything you use?
Anaconda have the cans 4 for $3.99
Post by: Ratbag on March 06, 2015, 08:44:41 AM
Some people are literally terminally stupid. But it is a very, very high price to pay for using a fridge wrongly, or a gas camping stove, or a gas bottle without the proper fittings!
I bought two gas fuses for my bottles at Bunnings. $29 each, IIRC. One each for fridge and stove.
Bloody cheap insurance, and they tell you how full the bottle is as an extra bonus.
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on March 06, 2015, 09:05:08 AM
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/lunchbox-cookers-spark-a-warning-in-nsw/story-e6frea7l-1226560896521 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/lunchbox-cookers-spark-a-warning-in-nsw/story-e6frea7l-1226560896521)
So do they or don't they? Or did they and now they don't.
I was speaking to someone who works at Anaconda yesterday and he said there's a fair chance they'll be back on the shelves soon after some rewording and safety instructions altered.
Shane.
Post by: paceman on March 06, 2015, 09:20:00 AM
no plans to stop selling canisters... (their wild country branded canisters are CRV confirmed)
Post by: rags on March 06, 2015, 04:14:12 PM
http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/man-badly-burnt-in-van-fire-casino-man-critical-af/2531129/ (http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/man-badly-burnt-in-van-fire-casino-man-critical-af/2531129/)
and the follow up story
http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/ban-on-sale-of-butane-cookers/2565214/ (http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/ban-on-sale-of-butane-cookers/2565214/)
Post by: sweetpea on March 06, 2015, 05:01:54 PM
Just for the doubters of the dangers of these cookers, the most recent accident resulting in a death
http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/man-badly-burnt-in-van-fire-casino-man-critical-af/2531129/ (http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/man-badly-burnt-in-van-fire-casino-man-critical-af/2531129/)
and the follow up story
http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/ban-on-sale-of-butane-cookers/2565214/ (http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/ban-on-sale-of-butane-cookers/2565214/)
It is a terrible thing to happen but the report does not say that the device had a warning on it to NOT use it in a caravan.
S
Post by: alnjan on March 08, 2015, 09:33:13 AM
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Consumers/Product_and_service_safety/Lunchbox_cookers.page (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Consumers/Product_and_service_safety/Lunchbox_cookers.page)
"What is the background to this issue?
Fair Trading has been concerned about the safety of these appliances due to several incidents of explosions resulting in injury. However it appeared that misuse rather than non-compliance with the Australian Standards contributed to these explosions. In 2014, in light of these incidents, state regulators including Fair Trading worked with two of the gas Certifying Bodies to re-test these cookers. These tests found the appliances to be non-compliant to the Australian Standards. This resulted in the Certifying Bodies suspending the approval certifications in February 2015."
So thanks to the numpties once again.
Hopefully someone can review these complaints and redo the cookers so they meet the standard again
Post by: dales133 on March 08, 2015, 10:34:32 AM
Post by: sweetpea on March 08, 2015, 11:19:02 AM
:worthles:
Sorry I don't have an appropriate picture.
S
Post by: Topender on March 08, 2015, 11:52:14 AM
Post by: prodigyrf on March 08, 2015, 12:43:51 PM
http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_403547_Kitchen_Leader_MultiPurpose_Portable_Induction_Cooker_Chef_Cooktop__Touch_Control (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_403547_Kitchen_Leader_MultiPurpose_Portable_Induction_Cooker_Chef_Cooktop__Touch_Control)
With the odd accessory naturally ;D
Post by: feisty on March 08, 2015, 12:53:17 PM
Looks like we need a new sticky titled "how many people read the stickies "I want to do a poll:
"how ambivalent are you to polls"
Post by: prodigyrf on March 08, 2015, 01:00:16 PM
My only concern now is Caravan parks and Camp grounds banning the use of these. I've owned mine for 10 or so years and hope to continue. You can't protect stupid people from everything! They better hurry up with a replacement or a fix for these.
Apparently that sort of ban would be fantastic :-*
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=40377.msg663348#msg663348 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=40377.msg663348#msg663348)
although fortunately we social pariahs have a handy replacement to assauge such concerns :cup:
http://sociallites.com.au/ (http://sociallites.com.au/)
Post by: D4D on March 09, 2015, 08:37:42 AM
(http://blkmav.com/myswag/coleman.jpg)
Post by: weeds on March 09, 2015, 10:19:59 AM
Just for the doubters of the dangers of these cookers, the most recent accident resulting in a death
http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/man-badly-burnt-in-van-fire-casino-man-critical-af/2531129/ (http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/man-badly-burnt-in-van-fire-casino-man-critical-af/2531129/)
and the follow up story
http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/ban-on-sale-of-butane-cookers/2565214/ (http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/ban-on-sale-of-butane-cookers/2565214/)
I would extend this to any gas cylinder (eg 9kg) inside a caravan or annex........
Post by: gronk on March 09, 2015, 10:42:21 AM
Relax everybody as I got an email from one of those shop once and friends for life onliners that you can easily replace your killer cooker-
http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_403547_Kitchen_Leader_MultiPurpose_Portable_Induction_Cooker_Chef_Cooktop__Touch_Control (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_403547_Kitchen_Leader_MultiPurpose_Portable_Induction_Cooker_Chef_Cooktop__Touch_Control)
With the odd accessory naturally ;D
Induction cooktop eh ??.....that would be handy running that off an inverter while camping ?? You'd only need 166 amps !! :'(
Post by: prodigyrf on March 09, 2015, 08:58:52 PM
I see from the NSW bedwetter site they define the killer cooker thus-
"What is a lunchbox cooker?
A portable butane cooker (aka lunchbox cooker or portable gas barbeque) is a single burner metal cooker designed to be used with small butane canisters. The cookers are commonly used for camping and caravanning. They are usually a single burner cooker and sold with a plastic case for portability."
Great! I'm all sweet then-
Post by: prodigyrf on March 09, 2015, 09:42:46 PM
Some people in NSW misuse alcohol so all alcohol sales to campers should be halted!
:worthles:
Sorry I don't have an appropriate picture.
S
Got some bad zen for those convict nanny-staters complete with [in]appropriate pictures-
http://zenstoves.net/Stoves.htm (http://zenstoves.net/Stoves.htm)
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php/65331-Made-an-alcohol-stove-tonight-hints (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php/65331-Made-an-alcohol-stove-tonight-hints)
http://www.instructables.com/id/Alcohol-Can-penny-stove/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Alcohol-Can-penny-stove/)
Net's full of them. Butane killer stoves? Yeah riiiiiight!
Post by: yogi on March 10, 2015, 10:21:13 AM
Anyone seen this ?
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page)
yogi
Post by: Bird on March 10, 2015, 10:21:43 AM
Hi All,about 1094024920394 times.. ;)
Anyone seen this ?
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page)
yogi
Post by: yogi on March 10, 2015, 10:30:55 AM
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Consumers/Product_and_service_safety/Lunchbox_cookers.page? (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Consumers/Product_and_service_safety/Lunchbox_cookers.page?)
Post by: tk421 on March 10, 2015, 12:46:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui8t3pivqtk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui8t3pivqtk)
Post by: jetcrew on March 10, 2015, 05:08:53 PM
Just think how many stoves most of us could make to replace these butane ones using the 1 beer can method. Now I've just got to switch from stubbies to cans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui8t3pivqtk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui8t3pivqtk)
Now that was very very kool :cup: :cup:
Jet ;D
Post by: AdrianLR on March 10, 2015, 08:28:49 PM
Post by: Symon on March 11, 2015, 07:59:11 AM
Interesting response from Coleman...
(http://blkmav.com/myswag/coleman.jpg)
Not that surprising, Coleman don't make a butane powered stove. http://www.colemanaustralia.com.au/Products/06 (http://www.colemanaustralia.com.au/Products/06)
Post by: KingBilly on March 11, 2015, 08:21:19 AM
Not that surprising, Coleman don't make a butane powered stove. http://www.colemanaustralia.com.au/Products/06 (http://www.colemanaustralia.com.au/Products/06)
Yep, bet the Coleman marketing dudes were falling over themselves trying to get something out when they saw the recall notices ;D
KB
Post by: alnjan on March 11, 2015, 09:46:35 AM
http://www.gasmate.com.au/uploads/1503-Portable-Cooker-Public-Notice.pdf (http://www.gasmate.com.au/uploads/1503-Portable-Cooker-Public-Notice.pdf)
Post by: oldmate on March 11, 2015, 05:53:14 PM
Post by: sweetpea on March 11, 2015, 08:35:13 PM
Interesting response from Coleman...
(http://blkmav.com/myswag/coleman.jpg)
Where does that release come from?
Is that a picture of a coleman propane stove?
Post by: NewieCamper on March 12, 2015, 07:25:40 AM
Post by: D4D on March 12, 2015, 01:35:24 PM
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/sa-halts-gas-cooker-sales/story-e6frfku9-1227259697578 (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/sa-halts-gas-cooker-sales/story-e6frfku9-1227259697578)
Post by: prodigyrf on March 12, 2015, 07:37:57 PM
The stop sale applies to all lunchbox cookers except for the following:
Certification No: Brands Model numbers
6834 Campmaster, Kookaburra, Grillpro, Topstove, Fiesta, Falcon,
Wild Country, Freetime, Festiva, The Stove, Sunshine,
Campers Collection, Oztrail, Roman, Progaz, Escape, Gas
Craft and Spinifex
2270
5907 Campmaster, Kookaburra, Grillpro, Topstove, Fiesta, Falcon,
Wild Country, Freetime, Festiva, The Stove, Sunshine,
Campers Collection, Oztrail, Roman, Progaz, Escape and Gas
Craft Single Burner Stoves
CM2200,
FT2200,
ST2
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) is liaising with gas regulatory
authorities across the country to determine whether a nationwide recall is required.
Mr Koutsantonis urged the community not to use their existing lunchbox cookers unless they
are one of the models exempt from the temporary stop sale.
“If you do own one of these models, please check the manufacturer’s operating instructions
and read them carefully before use and ensure that you do not use an oversized pot or pan
which can add additional heat to the gas canisters,”
What you mean actually read the instructions and notice where the gas canister sits and not let a big pan or anything else heat it up while cooking?
Yes Minister...Duh!
Post by: dales133 on March 12, 2015, 07:54:02 PM
Looks similar to the nsw recalled list?
Or was the nsw list ok to use too?
Mine are the 2270 model listed here.....
Post by: prodigyrf on March 15, 2015, 01:28:14 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-10/scramble-to-determine-safety-of-portable-gas-cookers/6296160 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-10/scramble-to-determine-safety-of-portable-gas-cookers/6296160)
All we have reported is from Kirstan and Grace and a woman in NZ among 4 million cookers out there and NSW Fair Trading is suddenly jumping on social media inviting Kirstan and Grace to email them with their bad experiences and then presumably issuing a recall. What sort of gross overreaction and jerking off is going on here by these self appointed nannys? How many incidents can they actually confirm and what was the cause we may well ask among the 4 million cookers out there?
Is it perhaps anywhere near 266 in one year?
http://www.royallifesaving.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/11995/RLS_NDR2014_LR.pdf (http://www.royallifesaving.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/11995/RLS_NDR2014_LR.pdf)
These bedwetting wankers have some hard questions to answer and pronto, putting the wind up consumers and curtailing all our outdoor enjoyment on the say-so of a couple of schoolgirls' tales and an overseas woman on facebook. Show us what stats you've got and put up or shutup.
Post by: GeoffA on March 15, 2015, 06:28:06 AM
Well, the duster cleaners and their offspring are now running the show...... >:( >:(
Post by: jetcrew on March 15, 2015, 10:43:39 AM
I can see the NSW fair trading having some interesting calls from the lawyers of the AGA and every single manufacturer and stockist of these things.
The level of inconsistent information is ridiculous.
NSW fair trading said to return the items to place of purchase for refund ..yet most retailers are simply saying its a stop sale not a recall... therefore you can still use yours as its not a recall.but they advise to cease usage until more info is avail... talk about half baked
so with the cost of the stop sale removal from shelving and storage they will want compensation in the event that the item is then allowed to be sold again.
Also the list of what's ok and what is not shows that they have no idea that there are many brands of these things and I doubt that they tested every one of them. thus now seeing that some of them are ok to use as per a list .
This is just stupid ... I am all for safety but honestly how much tax payers money has and will go into this sorry bloody saga.
If the issue is the trivet being able to be used upside down ..then first step would have been to test every single one that's been sold in aust because I have 2 that can be used this way and 3 with a safety that wont allow canister engagement without trivet being right way up.
if it is because of the large pan epidemic ..then regardless of the trivet safety issue the pan issue is common to all cookers.
seems they are now doing a few back flips ...
Another example of well spent tax dollars.
Jet ;D
Love the duster explanation geoffA :cup: :cup:
Post by: Herks on March 15, 2015, 10:45:31 AM
How's the form of NSW Fair Trading-
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-10/scramble-to-determine-safety-of-portable-gas-cookers/6296160 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-10/scramble-to-determine-safety-of-portable-gas-cookers/6296160)
All we have reported is from Kirstan and Grace and a woman in NZ among 4 million cookers out there and NSW Fair Trading is suddenly jumping on social media inviting Kirstan and Grace to email them with their bad experiences and then presumably issuing a recall. What sort of gross overreaction and jerking off is going on here by these self appointed nannys? How many incidents can they actually confirm and what was the cause we may well ask among the 4 million cookers out there?
Is it perhaps anywhere near 266 in one year?
http://www.royallifesaving.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/11995/RLS_NDR2014_LR.pdf (http://www.royallifesaving.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/11995/RLS_NDR2014_LR.pdf)
These bedwetting wankers have some hard questions to answer and pronto, putting the wind up consumers and curtailing all our outdoor enjoyment on the say-so of a couple of schoolgirls' tales and an overseas woman on facebook. Show us what stats you've got and put up or shutup.
Agreed,
But what of these cookers which were not made in China.
I, like you have two now for over 10 years and with no problem. The interesting thing is that both serial/model numbers don't appear on the so called list. Surprisingly both are also stamped "Made in Taiwan" go figure.
Ta
John
Post by: alnjan on March 15, 2015, 01:10:16 PM
It looks like a typical knee jerk reaction just in case of litigation.
The one thing that really irritates with the whole hype is the media, including social media, reporting the cookers are 'Banned'. They go on about reporting the facts and they can not even get the title right. They are not banned, just withdrawn or suspended from sale and we are urged not to use them or asked to refrain from using them. Not a single mention of the word 'Ban', 'Banned' or 'Banning' from the authorities only the media putting their hype on it and getting it wrong as usual.
Post by: BigDog816 on March 16, 2015, 11:17:18 PM
I think this could be easily fixed by putting a vertical barrier of some description that stops you putting a pan over the canister or putting two longer points on one side of the trivet and making it so it will still reverse for packing away and will only go in one way for setup. Then your pan would be on the piss if you put it over the canister.
Don't get me wrong I don't think they should be recalled because people misuse them. However when it comes to safety we have this "no fault" system/culture for the injured.
At work we did a commercial kitchen and as part of it we install a couple of 200L boiling billies. Basically a massive urn mounted on the wall. It has "boiling billy" embossed on the front of it, right in your face. A worker in the kitchen nearly burnt themselves when they washed their hands under the tap on the "BOILING" billy, they were lucky that it had been used just before and hadn't fully recovered. As a result of the incident we had to put a sign on the unit saying - danger boiling water.
Common Sense becomes less common the more we protect those without it.
Post by: scarpsD40 on March 17, 2015, 05:26:39 AM
Not wishing that anyone get hurt or injured, but yet again, a minority stuff it up for the majority. Ban the Big Pan I say...
Post by: prodigyrf on March 17, 2015, 08:48:21 AM
http://wckp.buykorea.org/pav/BKKBPA032C.html?GOODS_SN=3003239&PAVLN_SN=3000001 (http://wckp.buykorea.org/pav/BKKBPA032C.html?GOODS_SN=3003239&PAVLN_SN=3000001)
Seems our Asian friends have had a lot more experience with these cookers and notice from the video how it takes heating the can extremely unusually to cause the problem.
Bingo! Make sure you purchase only CRV butane gas cans in future and dispose of any doubtful ones, just in case, although it already appears suppliers have woken up to the dickhead misuse risk.
Post by: prodigyrf on March 17, 2015, 09:12:18 AM
http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Campmaster-Butane-Cartridge-220g-4-Pack.aspx?pid=213539#Recommendations (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Campmaster-Butane-Cartridge-220g-4-Pack.aspx?pid=213539#Recommendations)
Post by: KingBilly on March 17, 2015, 10:07:15 AM
KB
Post by: kizza1 on March 17, 2015, 08:14:33 PM
Post by: dales133 on March 17, 2015, 08:20:12 PM
They told me that they were doing it at a national level for public safty....blah blah.
Post by: KingBilly on March 17, 2015, 08:41:54 PM
just got the latest se queensland rays outdoors catalogue and it has both the single and double burner on special.
Just guessing that sale catalogues are compiled and printed weeks, if not months, before the actual sale. The cooker recall is reletively recent. Also guessing none will actually be on store shelves.
KB
Post by: BigDog816 on March 18, 2015, 09:03:51 PM
Agree BigDog, the ban should be for oversized frypans and ignorant folks that use them, not the cooker!!!
Not wishing that anyone get hurt or injured, but yet again, a minority stuff it up for the majority. Ban the Big Pan I say...
Brilliant ;D
Post by: kizza1 on March 20, 2015, 07:15:18 PM
this is in qld by the way
Post by: Chappie on March 26, 2015, 04:13:34 PM
K.B, The Companion group with both their Primus branded as well as the Companion branded canisters are not CRV cans.
Also more info on the recall from the Dept of Natural Resources and Mines from QLD.
https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/mining/safety-and-health/alerts-bulletins-search/alerts-bulletins/petroleum-gas/butane-gas-cookers (https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/mining/safety-and-health/alerts-bulletins-search/alerts-bulletins/petroleum-gas/butane-gas-cookers)
Iain
Post by: alnjan on March 26, 2015, 05:57:27 PM
Hello All
K.B, The Companion group with both their Primus branded as well as the Companion branded canisters are not CRV cans.
Also more info on the recall from the Dept of Natural Resources and Mines from QLD.
https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/mining/safety-and-health/alerts-bulletins-search/alerts-bulletins/petroleum-gas/butane-gas-cookers (https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/mining/safety-and-health/alerts-bulletins-search/alerts-bulletins/petroleum-gas/butane-gas-cookers)
Iain
Interesting article.
None of the Key Issues relate to using the cookers properly
Key issues
A fault has been identified in certain butane portable cookers with certificate numbers. The fault relates to the safety release mechanism. This mechanism ejects the canister should it become overpressurised. Overpressurisation results from increased temperature, which can be due to:
incorrect assembly of the appliance (e.g. the trivet being placed incorrectly)
use of an oversized pan, reflecting the heat from the burner back onto the butane canister
placing the canister cooker on top of another cooking appliance (e.g. BBQ) while still hot
leaving the butane canister and/or appliance inside a vehicle or direct sunlight.
Some people may currently possess a butane portable cooker where the safety release mechanism is NOT working. This represents a health and safety risk to the user.
Also no mention of any recall. Just suspended from sale.
Post by: #jonesy on March 27, 2015, 05:14:28 AM
Interesting article.
None of the Key Issues relate to using the cookers properly
Key issues
A fault has been identified in certain butane portable cookers with certificate numbers. The fault relates to the safety release mechanism. This mechanism ejects the canister should it become overpressurised. Overpressurisation results from increased temperature, which can be due to:
incorrect assembly of the appliance (e.g. the trivet being placed incorrectly)
use of an oversized pan, reflecting the heat from the burner back onto the butane canister
placing the canister cooker on top of another cooking appliance (e.g. BBQ) while still hot
leaving the butane canister and/or appliance inside a vehicle or direct sunlight.
Some people may currently possess a butane portable cooker where the safety release mechanism is NOT working. This represents a health and safety risk to the user.
Also no mention of any recall. Just suspended from sale.
That's the most detailed release I've seen so far. The fault is clearly the cooker and not the can. If can gets too hot, which will cause the pressure to increase the can should disconnect shutting down the cooker. This should occur before can explodes or CRV does its thing.
I also like the list has all the separate approval numbers.
KB there are heaps of non CRV cans. Jackaroo (KMart) is another.
Post by: Swogjb on April 05, 2015, 12:44:17 PM
Mitre 10 have them on page 14 of the latest catalogue ???
Handy little cooker for 30 bucks
(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g347/swogjb/case%207220/8A84F511-A618-4980-8BA7-478C9872EE99.jpg) (http://s1097.photobucket.com/user/swogjb/media/case%207220/8A84F511-A618-4980-8BA7-478C9872EE99.jpg.html)
Post by: JRABS on April 06, 2015, 06:49:48 PM
http://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/explosion-shocked-camp/2597128/ (http://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/explosion-shocked-camp/2597128/)
Post by: oldmate on April 06, 2015, 07:30:30 PM
Post by: scarpsD40 on April 06, 2015, 08:03:32 PM
Used my selfie stick all weekend.fixed it
Post by: oldmate on April 06, 2015, 08:04:52 PM
fixed it
;D ;D ;D
Post by: Pog on April 07, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
Hi all, looks like some people still can't use them properly. This was near Mackay over Easter.
http://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/explosion-shocked-camp/2597128/ (http://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/explosion-shocked-camp/2597128/)
I have no idea what the 2nd half of the article has to do with the 1st half...
Queensland Fire and Emergency Services central Queensland assistant commissioner Ewan Cayzer said all campers should take extra precaution at this time of year and be aware of fire dangers.
"The biggest risk is open fires have to be well maintained and prepared correctly. And have water nearby to put it out," he said.
"Things such as hoses can perish over time so all equipment should be checked whenever people go camping."
He said campers had an extra responsibility if they camped in an isolated spot.
"People need to be aware of where they are, and be ready to give clear instructions for emergency response (teams)," Assistant Commissioner Cayzer said."Preferably they would have a GPS and be able to give coordinates."
Its like as if the "Journalist" thought we better get an opinion from the Fire Service, and they rabbited on about 'open fires' - Which this was not...
Post by: KingBilly on April 07, 2015, 02:29:35 PM
I have no idea what the 2nd half of the article has to do with the 1st half...
Queensland Fire and Emergency Services central Queensland assistant commissioner Ewan Cayzer said all campers should take extra precaution at this time of year and be aware of fire dangers.
"The biggest risk is open fires have to be well maintained and prepared correctly. And have water nearby to put it out," he said.
"Things such as hoses can perish over time so all equipment should be checked whenever people go camping."
He said campers had an extra responsibility if they camped in an isolated spot.
"People need to be aware of where they are, and be ready to give clear instructions for emergency response (teams)," Assistant Commissioner Cayzer said."Preferably they would have a GPS and be able to give coordinates."
Its like as if the "Journalist" thought we better get an opinion from the Fire Service, and they rabbited on about 'open fires' - Which this was not...
I read the press release and thought the same ;D. Way off track from butane cookers ;D
KB
Post by: Hairs on April 07, 2015, 08:31:44 PM
Used mine all weekend.Yep, same here.
;D
Post by: Topender on April 08, 2015, 10:41:23 AM
Yep, same here.
;D
And I'll continue using mine for the next week and a half :cup:
Post by: oldmate on April 08, 2015, 10:45:24 AM
Post by: KingBilly on April 08, 2015, 10:53:19 AM
KB
Post by: oldmate on April 08, 2015, 12:32:20 PM
Post by: scarpsD40 on April 08, 2015, 01:40:56 PM
Only way to live!next thing you know they'll be banning selfie sticks! Afterall some of the pics that get taken with them could scare the gas out of a butane cannister.........
Post by: Bad Scott on April 08, 2015, 02:34:50 PM
next thing you know they'll be banning selfie sticks! Afterall some of the pics that get taken with them could scare the gas out of a butane cannister.........Have you got a selfie stick scarps?
Post by: scarpsD40 on April 08, 2015, 06:40:41 PM
Have you got a selfie stick scarps?no, you've seen my inability to pose for photo's, but I know someone who does;D
Post by: oldmate on April 08, 2015, 09:22:47 PM
Post by: scarpsD40 on April 08, 2015, 09:40:02 PM
You don't know them, they just let you think you know them ;D ;D ;Dok,ok, we don't talk about him then
Post by: oldmate on April 08, 2015, 10:15:30 PM
ok,ok, we don't talk about him then
See. Now your on it ;D
Post by: alnjan on April 09, 2015, 12:25:43 PM
http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/item.phtml?itemId=1069342&nodeId=387ef8cd84964d488419f1ab036261e7&fn=Product%20Safety%20Recall%20Notice%20-%20Twin%20Portable%20Butane%20Cookers%20-%20updated.pdf&hc_location=ufi (http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/item.phtml?itemId=1069342&nodeId=387ef8cd84964d488419f1ab036261e7&fn=Product%20Safety%20Recall%20Notice%20-%20Twin%20Portable%20Butane%20Cookers%20-%20updated.pdf&hc_location=ufi)
Sitro Group Australia Pty Ltd is undertaking a voluntary recall of the Twin Portable
Butane Cookers – Model No’s. Buy Right - MPC2070, Gasmate PC2075 and PC2080
with a date of manufacture from 48/13 on the data label located on the rear of the
product.
Defect: The overpressure safety device may not shut off gas to the burner if the
butane cartridge canister is overheated. In addition, the risk of overheating
increases if the product is not used according the manufacturer's specifications.
Hazard: If the defect occurs, there is a risk of explosion and fire.
What to Do: Consumers should stop using the product immediately. A replacement
unit is currently being tested and finalised and will be ready in short order.
Consumers can register to receive a replacement unit or they can contact Sitro
Group Australia to discuss an alternative remedy. For further information, please
call Sitro Customer Service Line on 1300 174 876 or Email:
productsafety@sitro.com.au.
Sitro Group Australia is recalling the product to ensure the safety of our customers
as an ongoing commitment to maintain the highest possible standards of safety
and product quality at all times
Post by: sweetpea on April 10, 2015, 01:36:41 AM
S.
Post by: alnjan on April 10, 2015, 10:45:00 AM
Is it only the twin that has been recalled?
S.
That's the way it reads to me. Only the twin
Post by: #jonesy on April 13, 2015, 11:30:17 AM
http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/1069239 (http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/1069239)
3 different recally's are in effect at the moment
http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/972000 (http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/972000)
Only problem is never keep receipts for these type of things!
Post by: wakychapmans on April 13, 2015, 01:22:29 PM
Only problem is never keep receipts for these type of things!
I've been lucky. I have a dual burner that we purchased from Ray's Outdoors almost two years ago. But no receipt.
However... it's been stored in its original "Wild Country" box. (Ray's house brand)
Phoned the Ray's at Castle Hill. No problem. No receipt means a shop credit only. Geez... whatever will I do with a store credit at a camping store...
Post by: jetcrew on April 22, 2015, 07:47:11 AM
Is there a specific brand that has been deemed SAFE to use ..
IE- one that is still for sale.
If there are no safe ones all good ..but if there are good ones they should be named as CLEAR to use ..then people might throw the old one out and spend $20 on a certifed safe one as its bloody hard finding a replacement cooking solution that is as easy to use and flexible. I,m trying to riht now and if there is a safe one of these i'll buy one.
Jet ;D
Post by: peterdeg on April 22, 2015, 08:50:03 AM
Post by: alnjan on April 22, 2015, 03:25:54 PM
So I see a list of BAD units to use.
Is there a specific brand that has been deemed SAFE to use ..
IE- one that is still for sale.
If there are no safe ones all good ..but if there are good ones they should be named as CLEAR to use ..then people might throw the old one out and spend $20 on a certifed safe one as its bloody hard finding a replacement cooking solution that is as easy to use and flexible. I,m trying to riht now and if there is a safe one of these i'll buy one.
Jet ;D
All of the butane cookers have been withdrawn from sale. Powers that be have declared they are all unsafe as the cut off valve does not work, mainly due to incorrect use of the cookers. As soon as the problem is rectified new butane cookers will be back on the market.
In the meantime people are going back to the bigger twin burner stoves, either gas or petrol or dual fuel units.
Post by: jetcrew on April 22, 2015, 04:54:45 PM
All of the butane cookers have been withdrawn from sale. Powers that be have declared they are all unsafe as the cut off valve does not work, mainly due to incorrect use of the cookers. As soon as the problem is rectified new butane cookers will be back on the market.
In the meantime people are going back to the bigger twin burner stoves, either gas or petrol or dual fuel units.
Thanks Al I will keep investigating my ulp stove idea then ;D ;D
jet :cheers:
Post by: Bird on April 26, 2015, 06:54:23 PM
http://www.tentworld.com.au/products/cooking/item/coleman-sportster-dual-fuel-stove.aspx (http://www.tentworld.com.au/products/cooking/item/coleman-sportster-dual-fuel-stove.aspx)
free shippin...
Post by: dales133 on April 26, 2015, 10:47:17 PM
It was originally only NSW and some brands but rays ect took it nation wide on withdrawals witch is understandable but there to my knowledge isn't anything official banning sale of all cookers and nsw is the only state that banned most brands excluding a dozen models from sale.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but that's where it was at last time I heard anything
Post by: Fizzie on May 13, 2015, 01:56:15 PM
He said that there's a slightly modified design been approved & starting to come back in - thinks Kmart / Target may have them already.
Apparently, the problem was with the little sprung clip that goes down into the cut-out on the neck of the gas bottle. If the bottle overheats, the neck is supposed to expand, pushing that little metal tongue up, which turns the flame off. On some units, it was found that the tongue was too soft, so that it would bend in place, rather then flipping upward, so flame kept burning while gas is pouring out of ruptured bottle >:D
Have checked ours, & the clip is nice & stiff on both of them, so will continue to use them, making sure not to overheat the cylinder by putting too big a pan on top!
Post by: KingBilly on May 13, 2015, 02:12:31 PM
KB
Post by: jetcrew on May 13, 2015, 03:41:49 PM
BLOODY CAPSlock
Jet ;D ;D
Post by: prodigyrf on May 14, 2015, 01:07:17 AM
On some units, it was found that the tongue was too soft, so that it would bend in place, rather then flipping upward, so flame kept burning while gas is pouring out of ruptured bottle >:D
Have checked ours, & the clip is nice & stiff on both of them, so will continue to use them, making sure not to overheat the cylinder by putting too big a pan on top!
I'd agree with that but now I'm aware of the cost/benefit of CRV safety cans for butane I'd only purchase them for these cookers because you never know who'll misuse them with large pots or even damage that clip/shutoff mechanism. Best to think on behalf of the technically illiterate around home 8)
I noticed in BCF the other day they only seemed to have the CRV cans on prominent display, although I wasn't looking specifically for them, so perhaps the retailers are wising up too. For the piddling extra cost of CRV cans for their upside and given the number of these cookers out there in consumer hands, why wouldn't the authorities mandate CRV cans only for future use and roll over and go back to sleep?
Post by: sweetpea on May 20, 2015, 05:53:56 PM
See Page 8 http://www.joomag.com/magazine/energysafe-magazine-autumn-2015-issue-39/0831492001431585414?short (http://www.joomag.com/magazine/energysafe-magazine-autumn-2015-issue-39/0831492001431585414?short)
It explains the condition and fault that they consider dangerous.
S.
Post by: Bill on May 20, 2015, 06:57:22 PM
As far as I know Super Retail Group have not gotten any recall notices for the ones we sell at work as was stated at the end of the article.
So will be interesting to see if they are recalled at some point.
Bill
Post by: slydar on July 18, 2015, 09:20:49 AM
Post by: edz on August 18, 2015, 04:36:14 PM
Might have to go see what it is they changed on them compared to mine of the same brand .
Post by: feisty on August 18, 2015, 09:15:47 PM
Their Backkkkkkk ... big green sheds in QLD $29.Yeah but they are sooo last year!
Might have to go see what it is they changed on them compared to mine of the same brand .
So what have we replaced them with? Not sure. I now enjoy my spam cold.
Post by: Roger D on August 19, 2015, 01:14:04 PM
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a580/sidewinder39/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsplgks0lc.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/sidewinder39/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsplgks0lc.jpg.html)
Post by: edz on August 19, 2015, 01:23:35 PM
Post by: jw2170 on August 19, 2015, 05:46:10 PM
Still plenty of bottles available for butane torches, etc.
Post by: Glamping Diva on September 06, 2015, 03:04:46 PM
Post by: shrek4 on September 06, 2015, 04:22:03 PM
With the one we have the pot stand is removable and you can put it upside down back into the base to make it smaller to pack.
With the new ones it seems nothing else has changed other than that.
Post by: Big Damo on September 07, 2015, 11:03:05 PM
Just can not see how if you use correctly that they will be dangerous,
Post by: BigDog816 on September 08, 2015, 09:15:33 PM
The expedition Aus bloke had a look and found the trivet is fixed, making the box bigger, and it now has a 20cm paper template in there as above
I got in touch with gasmate as in amongst all the recall stuff it's impossible to find out anything about it. They said the key differences were.
New model is GASMATE CS170/CS175 Certificate AGA 8177
1. Trivet fixed in place. Assume this is to stop you using it without or upside down.
2. Regulator has a lower safety release pressure. If the heat and pressure on the butane canisters rises above a safe level the gas is cut off.
3. The housing under the cartridge chamber is now fully enclosed. This ensures that no foreign objects can come ini contact with the reg or canister while in use.
4. Burner rim is slightly thicker an wider. Less likely the flame will go out with a spill over
Also check out the Gasmate Facebook page, some people are having issues with the new ones (might be user error).
Also the $10 price increase is a bit steep. gasmate would probably say it's the additional certification and redesign and safety features. I reckon it's a bit of that and the fact that it's the only one the has a valid cert at the moment but guess that's simple supply and demand.
I've never had a problem with mine so I'm going to keep using my old ones with the CRV canisters (see link below) until there are a few more available and the price comes down.
https://rikkiresources.wordpress.com...ne-stove-safe/
Big Dog
Post by: Spada on September 09, 2015, 07:50:10 AM
Also the $10 price increase is a bit steep. gasmate would probably say it's the additional certification and redesign and safety features. I reckon it's a bit of that and the fact that it's the only one the has a valid cert at the moment but guess that's simple supply and demand.
And they have to recoup their losses on the recall >:D
Post by: jkwpajero on September 09, 2015, 05:10:56 PM
:cheers:
James
Post by: jw2170 on September 12, 2015, 05:18:28 PM
For a recalled item, there where a heck of a lot of them on mega special at Rosehill last week.
...and at Penrith on Friday. $29.00 at one stand, $20.00 next door...
Post by: Herks on September 12, 2015, 07:44:06 PM
...and at Penrith on Friday. $29.00 at one stand, $20.00 next door...And on one cooking stand this guy had 3 of the old ones going. The idea was to sell a variety of his specific attachments, fully inclosed wind guard, a large BBQ round plate on legs which the burner sits under.
All looked to me to just retain a lot of heat, similar to the oversized pots and pans which was supposed to be the cause of the problem in the first place.
Go figure!!!
Post by: Bushman on September 13, 2015, 08:10:06 AM
I have 2 of the Primus ones, had them a few years now don't used much, I dropped one and mangled the lid over the canister, guess I should ditch them.
Post by: vk2ss55 on September 25, 2015, 08:02:43 PM
Post by: prodigyrf on October 01, 2015, 07:11:32 PM
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/dudley-park-man-seriously-burnt-in-house-explosion-on-young-st/story-fni6uo1m-1227552558069 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/dudley-park-man-seriously-burnt-in-house-explosion-on-young-st/story-fni6uo1m-1227552558069)
Was it a butane cooker and a big pan eh? If it was that wouldn't have occurred with a safety can but we'll see.
Post by: Big Damo on October 01, 2015, 09:28:35 PM
Gas cannister apparently and it's blown those windows out-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/dudley-park-man-seriously-burnt-in-house-explosion-on-young-st/story-fni6uo1m-1227552558069 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/dudley-park-man-seriously-burnt-in-house-explosion-on-young-st/story-fni6uo1m-1227552558069)
Was it a butane cooker and a big pan eh? If it was that wouldn't have occurred with a safety can but we'll see.
I think there is more to this than cooking on butane camp stove.
Me thinks they might have been cooking up somthin special ;) ;) nudge nudge
Post by: oldmate on October 01, 2015, 09:54:55 PM
I think there is more to this than cooking on butane camp stove.
Me thinks they might have been cooking up somthin special ;) ;) nudge nudge
Yep. I reckon
Post by: prodigyrf on October 02, 2015, 12:42:24 AM
I think there is more to this than cooking on butane camp stove.Hmmm... Dudley Park isn't the most salubrious of metro Adelaide addresses and there is that old couch on the verandah of the maisonette so we'll have to wait and see :-\
Me thinks they might have been cooking up somthin special ;) ;) nudge nudge
Post by: farcanal on October 05, 2015, 07:52:03 PM
I asked the bloke about the stoves and if the problem was with the stoves or the cans....he said "neither, it was dumb operators"
Post by: Danna on October 05, 2015, 11:02:30 PM
it doesn't matter how much the re-called product cost, when there is a safety concern we should get our money back, including money for cartridges we may still have.
Cheers Dana
Post by: oldmate on October 06, 2015, 05:58:11 AM
Oh, and there is nothing wrong with the canisters, never was, they have always been for sale, as they are used for other things also.
Post by: alnjan on October 06, 2015, 09:08:32 AM
Post by: prodigyrf on October 07, 2015, 10:18:55 AM
Post by: Bill on October 20, 2015, 06:18:33 AM
I put up about 20 single burner and 10 double burner.
They were all gone in about 4 hours.
I didnt even get a chance to see what the differance was inn the new models.
Bill
Post by: jw2170 on November 04, 2015, 10:27:18 AM
Saw them advertised by Supercheap, but they did not have any in stock...
Post by: farcanal on November 24, 2015, 10:23:55 AM
took my old stoves (2) plus about 8 cans. After using 3 or 4 cans I bought a new stove in Port Augusta and some new cans. Bought another new stove in Big W (can't remember where) and the shelves were almost bare....the new ones are going off like hot cakes. Both old stoves were chucked in bins along the way. They were still working, but I like the new ones....seem to have a more positive control knob.
Post by: slydar on November 25, 2015, 04:30:54 PM
Post by: itchvet on March 14, 2016, 06:24:27 PM
Went into BCF for other stuff and noticed a brand new display of the new gas cans.
I asked the bloke about the stoves and if the problem was with the stoves or the cans....he said "neither, it was dumb operators"
I'd have to agree with him on that. Had one of these things now for FOUR years, only prob I have with them, is they FREEZE up in cold weather and gas cant pass thru and get to the burner.
Folks have suggested I sleep with the canister, which I did, got it nice and warm, but it still froze over after about 5 mins. Any suggestions ?????
Post by: GQMacca on March 14, 2016, 06:42:04 PM
I'd have to agree with him on that. Had one of these things now for FOUR years, only prob I have with them, is they FREEZE up in cold weather and gas cant pass thru and get to the burner.
Folks have suggested I sleep with the canister, which I did, got it nice and warm, but it still froze over after about 5 mins. Any suggestions ?????
If I'm at altitude, or its cold, I'll rotate through three canisters - one in each pocket and one in the burner. I also use the burner with the little flap open to hopefully get some radiant heat on the canister (where's my Darwin award?!?) ;D
Post by: Bird on March 15, 2016, 08:01:08 AM
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Post by: Fizzie on March 15, 2016, 08:31:37 AM
didn't see or feel a lot of difference between it and the old clunker
Had a look at one in Ray's over the weekend - appears that the little flap that locks into the neck of the gas bottle is now a u-shape, rather than just a flat tongue as previous ???
Could be the only change, as a bloke in the camping store did say a while back that the "fault" was that that flap is supposed to push upwards if the bottle expands, thus cutting the stove off, but some of these tongues were bending & letting it still run, leading to a fire / explosion.
Post by: Troopy_03 on March 15, 2016, 08:48:02 AM
Post by: Bill on April 04, 2016, 12:34:51 PM
Bill
Post by: #jonesy on April 04, 2016, 06:11:48 PM
The little metal flap at the top is not the cutoff. It is not connected to anything and both stoves will work whether it is up or down when started and will not Shit it off if I lift it. Underneath there is a little metal tab. If the can is not lined up with the flap it is not lined up with the tab. If you push the lever and it is not lined up the tab fouls on the can and pushes it to the side causing gas to leak. The flap just assists with lining up the tab. I can't figure out the purpose of the tab except maybe there is a pick up inside the can and this orientates the can correctly.
In the attached photo the red strip IS to a safety device. If you operate the lever without a can you will see a tab come up at the end of the action. If you push this down it triggers the safety by pulling the can carrier away from the gas valve. But like a mouse trap. Above this is a cylinder. I assume that as pressure builds up a piston inside pushes on the tab and pulling the can away.
This on both my old and new models and maybe my spare double burner I lent to the mother in law.
I did notice my new double burner has QC stickers in each compartment. One lists 390-401 PSI and the other 411-430 PSI
I assume they now test each one and put a sticker for the range it activates.
I don't know if the old one had one in the past as it is several years old.
The trivet heights all look about the same above the burner. I have seen some brands where the surround it lower making the trivet appear higher.
Post by: Troopy_03 on April 05, 2016, 09:04:19 AM
I had a close look at my new improved model and the old doomsday Devi e and cam up with the following.
The little metal flap at the top is not the cutoff. It is not connected to anything and both stoves will work whether it is up or down when started and will not Shit it off if I lift it. Underneath there is a little metal tab. If the can is not lined up with the flap it is not lined up with the tab. If you push the lever and it is not lined up the tab fouls on the can and pushes it to the side causing gas to leak. The flap just assists with lining up the tab. I can't figure out the purpose of the tab except maybe there is a pick up inside the can and this orientates the can correctly.
Yes, the tab that aligns with the slot in the can is so that the L shaped pickup tube inside the can is pointing upwards, so that it feeds vapor, not liquid to the burner.
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on April 12, 2016, 11:56:20 AM
They specify dual burner Butane canister stoves.
http://media.supercheapauto.com.au/bcf/files/user/recall_notice/Product_Safety_Recall_-_Stove.pdf (http://media.supercheapauto.com.au/bcf/files/user/recall_notice/Product_Safety_Recall_-_Stove.pdf)
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on June 02, 2016, 09:17:36 PM
http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/in...itemId/1084213 (http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/in...itemId/1084213)
Update 24 March 2016
A new recall was issued today for a different problem affecting these models:
Product description:
PLU381985 Campmaster Dual Burner Butane Stove
PLU382590 Wildcountry Dual Burner Butane Stove
Identifying features:
Campmaster brand will have model No. CM2220RW or CM2220
Wildcountry brand will have model No. WC2220RW or WC2220
All affected brands will also carry AGA certification No 8221
In these models, certain components such as O-rings and control knobs have failed.
If the defect occurs, there is a risk of gas leaking and fire.
Supplier is AHM Ltd.
Update 13 may 2016
AHM Ltd—Twin Portable Butane Stove - 2 Burner Butane Stove
A new recall was issued today for a different problem affecting these models:
Campmaster CM2220, CM2220RW, CM2220SP
Festiva FT2220, FT2220RW, FT2220SP
Spinifex AN2220, AN2220RW, AN2220SP
Wild Country WC2220, WC2220RW
Oztrail OZ2220 or OZ2220RW
All affected models will also carry AGA certification No 8221.
Certain components, such as O-rings or seals, may be defective. The other defect may include misalignment of the gas cartridge.
What should consumers do?
Stop using the product immediately and return the stove to the place of purchase for a full refund.
Once returned to the place of purchase, consumers can register to receive notification regarding the purchase of a replacement cooker when available by sending an email to enquiries@ahm.co.nz or they can contact AHM Australia on 07 3208 1233.
Conclusion
You should NOT continue to use your portable butane stove. You should follow the recall instructions, as per the Product Safety Recall Notice advice from the manufacturer, as soon as it is issued.
The product manufacturers will be working on fixing the problems and new certified units should be available in the not too distant future.
Post by: pajamajero on June 03, 2016, 03:00:00 PM
I hope they bring out a new version double.
I 'accidently' forgot to put the BBQ plate in the box when returning product to Woolies. Oops
Paj
Post by: Big Damo on June 16, 2016, 02:46:17 PM
I had one of these double units, fantastic, really liked it, BUT back to Wollies, no receipt, money back ($50) no problems.
I hope they bring out a new version double.
I 'accidently' forgot to put the BBQ plate in the box when returning product to Woolies. Oops
Paj
Seen a similar product sold at Kmart this weekend so not sure if it would be part of the recall
Post by: Bird on November 06, 2016, 06:59:16 PM
Post by: archer63 on December 04, 2016, 06:37:26 PM
Post by: prodigyrf on December 04, 2016, 10:04:25 PM
https://www.bigw.com.au/product/campmaster-iso-butane-gas-premium-crv-safety-can-12-pack/p/WCC100000000206562/ (https://www.bigw.com.au/product/campmaster-iso-butane-gas-premium-crv-safety-can-12-pack/p/WCC100000000206562/)
Chuck your old cans out and get with the program because although you might be fine with the big bang cans you can't guarantee other dimwits using them will be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVwOrk1vl5Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVwOrk1vl5Y)