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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2014, 08:30:57 PM »
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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2014, 08:31:41 PM »
Yup, I get about 4 months out of a set of $60 headlights if I leave them on all the time I am driving. PITA replacing them all the time.
are they overheating??  any idea why they are lunching themselves?
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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2014, 08:44:00 PM »
My 2c after 12 yrs in traffic and accident squad is ZERO ZERO ZERO tolerance.

And I mean ZERO.  You go 10% you get done.  Increase traffic cops x 10 times.

Smash everyone.  No cautions, no let offs.  Get stopped get booked.

Get it into everyones heads that if you choose not to drive to the law the right will be taken off you.

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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2014, 08:45:56 PM »
You can buy a wiring harness off fleebay that is easy to put in.  It works like it should, turns the DRLs on when the car starts, turns off the DRLs when the head lights come on.

And here's a little fact for you, in Canada a car headlight must automatically turn on when the car is turned on.
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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM »
are they overheating??  any idea why they are lunching themselves?

Twice as bright half as long is my theory

The maths - 2-4 hours a day, 5 days a week, 16 weeks = 160-320 hours
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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2014, 08:51:49 PM »
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Twice as bright half as long is my theory

The maths - 2-4 hours a day, 5 days a week, 16 weeks = 160-320 hours
2 hours in 1 go shouldn't do that much to them.. just seems very excessive.
I've never replaced the GU ones ... **** I shouldn't have said that should I :'(
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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2014, 08:54:14 PM »
2 hours in 1 go shouldn't do that much to them.. just seems very excessive.
I've never replaced the GU ones ... **** I shouldn't have said that should I :'(
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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2014, 08:55:28 PM »
Guess what you'll be doing tomorrow.....
I know I thought of it INSTANTLY as I typed it :(
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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2014, 08:57:25 PM »
I know I thought of it INSTANTLY as I typed it :(
It's like out at work, we never say at our first toolbox for the swing that we don't want to break anything or have a good swing cos that always causes the whole show going to #%€£
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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2014, 08:58:03 PM »
Hah!  The spankers used to laugh at my 242gt volvo and say at least they could turn off their lights...... How times change.  Ya so gotta laugh!!!!!

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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2014, 08:59:08 PM »
2 hours in 1 go shouldn't do that much to them.. just seems very excessive.

It does seem a very short life. Changing them would get old very quickly.

I've never replaced the GU ones ... **** I shouldn't have said that should I :'(

The passenger side isn't fun.......easier to remove the headlight.


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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2014, 08:59:59 PM »
Hah!  The spankers used to laugh at my 242gt volvo and say at least that could turn off their lights...... How times change.  Ya so gotta laugh!!!!!

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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2014, 09:01:29 PM »
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The passenger side isn't fun.......easier to remove the headlight.
He can give us a demo against the stopwatch if he comes to the camp! :) Although he hasn't said yes or no yet... :(
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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2014, 09:10:45 PM »
Cheers lost don't worry my skin is pretty thick. Funny how far ahead they were. It was the main reason ford bought them so as to catch up 20 years in the area of strategic primary safety. 

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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2014, 09:13:09 PM »
Cheers lost don't worry my skin is pretty thick. Funny how far ahead they were. It was the main reason ford bought them so as to catch up 20 years in the area of strategic primary safety. 

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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2014, 09:17:41 PM »
God bless the swedish valiant.  Back on topic lost.  Are the lights on the vfr hardwired and where do you / did you stand on the hard wiring of bike headlights?

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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2014, 09:20:29 PM »
God bless the swedish valiant.  Back on topic lost.  Are the lights on the vfr hardwired and where do you / did you stand on the hard wiring of bike headlights?

Mine weren't.. Talkin to bloke yesterday who just woke up and scrapped 20yrs of Harleys nad bought a new 1200 Tenere... Apparently all bikes are hard wired again ?? AND.. theres talk of having to retrofit some form of DRL to ALL motorcycles..  Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

I rode with my lights on all the time, didn't bother me, but some people (specially those that follow Aus.moto newsgroup) swear your easier to see without headlights ????
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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2014, 09:22:59 PM »
He can give us a demo against the stopwatch if he comes to the camp! :) Although he hasn't said yes or no yet... :(

I didn't say faster, I said easier......... :-*
That's with the factory air box. Access is better with the Fatz air box.

We should be there, but we've got a lot happening around that time, and we're off to the Cape 2 weeks later.

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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2014, 09:26:19 PM »
I didn't say faster, I said easier......... :-*
That's with the factory air box. Access is better with the Fatz air box.

We should be there, but we've got a lot happening around that time, and we're off to the Cape 2 weeks later.

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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2014, 09:28:03 PM »
2 out of 3 of my bikes are hardwired.....  Pommy bikes Indicators are permanently on as running lights.   When they need to indicate a change of direction they flash. Different take on the same thing I suppose.

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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2014, 10:19:11 PM »
DRLs are only DRLs if they automatically turn off when the headlights are turned. If they stay on they aren't DRLs, they are just additional lights that may or may not meet the regs.

Do DRLs or headlights on in the daytime work?

Something in Tim's back yard - last year in Gippsland we had a terrible spate of cars running into trucks between mid January and they end of March. 15 crashes, 15 minor injuries, 6 major injuries and 2 fatalities. This was about double the frequency of crashes for the rest of the year. Also, Gippsland actually had an increase in crashes last year in comparism to the rest of the state were numbers decreased. Not a good year for us. Also had 3 crashes, 4 fatilities in about a 3 week period in about August from cars doing u turns in front of, pulling out of intersections in front of, or wondering onto the wrong side of the road in front of full sized trucks on 100km/h roads. No one comes out unscathed in the these situations. Not the distracted driver or the innocent driver.

This year myself (heavy vehicle enforcement officer), and 3 other colleagues (a road safety community advisor, a local council road safety advocate and a local safety officer for a national transport company) instigated a headlights on campaign within the Gippsland transport community. It was a very amature job, predominantly in our own time with no formal backing from our employers.

The campaign had 3 components.

1. Headlights on to make the trucks more visible to the distracted/inattentive/texting/moron car drivers.
2. A conscious decision by the truck driver to turn their headlights which (hopefully) means they acknowledge that they are aware of the issue of cars pulling out in front of them which will hopefully mean they will drive more defensively.
3. An advertising campaign on local media highlighting the issue to the public so that when they see an increased number of trucks with their headlights on they might acknowledge why they are lit up and will also drive more defensively around trucks.

Did it work?

I can't honestly say. BUT, the stats show an incredible change for the same 10 week period this year - 3 minor injury crashes. With 2 of the injuries being so minor that they almost went unreported (I am told maybe a band aide or 2). This is a huge reduction on the same period last year, as well has halving the number of crashes/week in comparism for the whole of last year.

To many variables to suggest that it was purely our headlights on campaign, but we don't know what other factors could be involved.

One thing that is certain is the number of drivers, and in fact whole fleets that are moving to fit DRLs to all of their vehicles simply because of the difference individual drivers have reported in the reduction in the number of vehicles pulling out in front of them.

I am also a convert. At the very least I have made no improvement to my safety on the road. At best I may have prevented someone not seeing me and causing a fatality, potentially my own.

Info about the headlights on campaign can be found here - https://www.facebook.com/truckieslightup?fref=ts

A very sad post script to the campaign was 3 days after the end of our "official" 10 week campaign a young boy died when a car, truck and school bus collided north of Bairnsdale. I have not seen/heard official findings of the cause of this crash, however inside information has suggested a car pulled out in front of a truck (a bright red, full sized semi), mid afternoon on a clear well light day. The truck driver managed to swerve and almost miss the car, but then a bus travelling in the opposite direction appeared from around the corner.........

As I said before. No one wins. All involved have had their lives changed forever. An innocent party has died.

The car driver has failed to see the truck. If the truck had of had headlights on (or DRLs) maybe the car might of seen it.

Maybe. Maybe not. At the very least the truck would not of been LESS visible with lights on.

Have you done all you can to prevent someone else causing a crash?

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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2014, 10:30:01 PM »
Great work peter. Very impressive!

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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2014, 10:47:57 PM »
All vehicles on mine site MUST have their headlights on.  From memory all the Light Vehicles their lights must come on automatically. I believe this is for the visibility reason.

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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2014, 09:07:07 AM »
Yes Peter, that crash you mentioned prevented me from getting home even... and back to work the next day. That very road is plagued with speeding drivers too, I might just say, being on it so often each day. I personally like to sit under 100, like the buses do, but I have to go for 100 mostly because of others drivers passing and being horrifically dangerous. Then, there are some that pass me anyway when I'm sitting on 102 or so (GPS clocked).

At the end of the day, I'll have my headlights on if it's a little dark or if there is a possibility that it will be hard to see me. In foggy conditions, lights are a must, as I can testify that I have seen cars with their lights on in the fog a good time before they have passed. I can't say that DLSs are helpful in fog, as they are too bright when you are passing the vehicle with them; low beam would be better.

At the end of the day, as previously mentioned, it boils down to bad drivers. Overseas, (UK, Europe, etc.) they try to stop this by having cars lights on all the time... not very emission friendly, and when you DO need your lights in the dark, I have heard some stories of them dying right when they are needed the most. Also, dash lights need replacing more often, and people love that job. The reason why I was considering DRLs, was so I wouldn't have to go around replacing all the other bulbs.

Unfortunately... as the story goes, I have been using public transport more often thanks to morons on the road. When you travel often to and from Melbourne from East Gippsland, you get so jack of bad drivers that it causes extra unnecessary stress... going to have a shortened life here, or had to make a change... so what can I say?
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Re: DRL To be or not to be
« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2014, 07:57:50 PM »
Blew another globe this morning, it is the passenger side which means I have to move the battery to replace it :(

August last year I replaced them so 8 months this time which isn't bad :'(

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