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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: woolgoolgaoffroad on January 14, 2016, 01:09:46 PM
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Had a phone call about this about an hour ago from a concerning mate and fellow swagger. I know lots of myswaggers frequent this awesome spot and have had some great times there, but just came across this in my email box. Not good and i suppose it was bound to happen one day.
http://www.4wdaction.com.au/articles/2016/another-stunning-campsite-closed-because-grubs?mc_cid=4adc3811b6&mc_eid=a02b052c9f (http://www.4wdaction.com.au/articles/2016/another-stunning-campsite-closed-because-grubs?mc_cid=4adc3811b6&mc_eid=a02b052c9f)
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Where is it, Google Maps doesn't know it?
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http://woolgoolgaoffroad.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/georges-junction.html (http://woolgoolgaoffroad.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/georges-junction.html)
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So your brilliant write up didn't so us any favours then ;D
I remember it now, went there as a kid.
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Once closed, never to reopen usually..
As of this week, another campground has been officially rubber stamped not far from Georges !!
You will have to pay, but has toilets and showers I believe. $20/night for the site...2 adults, 2 kids....no motorbikes, but controlled pets OK.
Called Cracknback Campground. 16 sites over 30 acres.
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Which section of Georges Junction is 'closed' Kev? The section across the Macleay River as the main section above the river is on a TSR so I can not imagine it being closed.
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I don't know the rules of a TSR, but if the council puts a sign up with penalties for camping, maybe it's a bluff or maybe they can enforce it ??
But seeing as they are crown land I don't know who has the jurisdiction to erect a sign ??
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Can you public servant types enlighten us all?
http://www.acronymfinder.com/TSR.html (http://www.acronymfinder.com/TSR.html)
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TSR = traveling stock route https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_route (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_route)
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Reckon this is what TSR stands for http://www.lpma.nsw.gov.au/crown_lands/crown_reserves/stock_reserves (http://www.lpma.nsw.gov.au/crown_lands/crown_reserves/stock_reserves)
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Can you public servant types enlighten us all?
http://www.acronymfinder.com/TSR.html (http://www.acronymfinder.com/TSR.html)
Sorry mate, Travelling Stock Routes as above.
Also worth a look at for campsites
http://www.bicentennialnationaltrail.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/TSR-Campsite-List.pdf (http://www.bicentennialnationaltrail.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/TSR-Campsite-List.pdf)
http://www.npansw.org.au/index.php/campaigns/tsr (http://www.npansw.org.au/index.php/campaigns/tsr)
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As ever reliable as facebook is it appears the 'closed' area is across the river. Would still need to check with the relevant authorities but it appears the main camping area is still okay.
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Unfortunately, the more we publicise the beautiful places we enjoy going to, the more people it attracts and eventually this leads to the closure of these places. People need to realise that TSR land is for travelling stock and never has been vacant land for free camping. Another spot that has been getting a lot of advertisement in the past by 4wda and Pat etc etc is the old Glenn Innes Rd. Lovely drive with lots of camps on the river where people believe they can camp. In fact it is another stock route and it is illegal to camp there and now it is close to being closed due to people and their dogs chasing the cattle away from the water and rubbish they leave behind for the farmers to clean. The farmers are not happy with the crowd that comes to that area now from all the advertisement and they are looking for ways to enforce the law.
To use tsr you must obtain a permit. And yes you can get a permit to camp on a tsr....
As some of you know i do a fair bit of traveling and one thing that stands out in our travels is all the rubbish and human wast that is left behind.
Happy traveling Ken
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To use tsr you must obtain a permit. And yes you can get a permit to camp on a tsr....
Looking at some websites, all I could find out was yes you need a permit to travel along one with cattle, but no mention anywhere of camping, let alone needing a permit to do so ?
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Looking at some websites, all I could find out was yes you need a permit to travel along one with cattle, but no mention anywhere of camping, let alone needing a permit to do so ?
You need lawful authority to use them. eg a permit. If you are using the for recreational purposes can only be done between sunrise and sunset.
Camping on Crownland is only permitted in areas designated for camping
Additionally local council by-laws need to be considered
LOCAL LAND SERVICES ACT 2013 - SECT 72
Unauthorised uses of travelling stock reserves
72 Unauthorised uses of travelling stock reserves
A person must not, without lawful authority:
(a) enter or remain on a travelling stock reserve, or
(b) occupy or make use of any travelling stock reserve for any purpose, or
(c) engage in any activity that damages, or is likely to damage, a travelling stock reserve.
Maximum penalty: 50 penalty units.
LOCAL LAND SERVICES ACT 2013 - SECT 74
Authorised use of travelling stock reserves for recreational activities
74 Authorised use of travelling stock reserves for recreational activities
(1) A person is authorised to use a travelling stock reserve (whether controlled or managed) or part of any such reserve on any day between sunrise and sunset for any recreational activity prescribed by the regulations, subject to this Act and any conditions prescribed by the regulations.
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Thanks for the TSR heads up and they may be one of those useage rights that slips through the cracks of specific jurisdiction.
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"As some of you know i do a fair bit of traveling and one thing that stands out in our travels is all the rubbish and human wast that is left behind"
it's a shame a minority don't recognize what abusing the privilege ultimately leads to if they're continually dumping their costs on locals and their Councils.
I have a 20M rule when free camping of cleaning up that radius down to the bottle caps and bread tags and even the toilet paper on a stick and it's not much trouble hitting the bins with it on the travels. Recall having an overnighter at Padthaway Cons Park and one spot was a real mess with some bathroom reno junk, tyres, oil containers, bottles, cans, you name it, even down to discarded packaging for camping gear some had bought. We did a fair ant parade stacking it all with the bathroom reno junk and I emailed a photo and location for the local Council to deal with, as at least they'd know what they were dealing with.
There's a lot of clubs, associations and forums for camping and I've thought for some time it would be great if with the industry we all got behind a universal 20M Rule campaign with a nationally identifiable sticker onboard and are you one of us and if not why not neighbour? We don't need Gummint for that and the industry knows where it's bread is buttered.
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Thanks for the TSR heads up and they may be one of those useage rights that slips through the cracks of specific jurisdiction.
As for-
"As some of you know i do a fair bit of traveling and one thing that stands out in our travels is all the rubbish and human wast that is left behind"
it's a shame a minority don't recognize what abusing the privilege ultimately leads to if they're continually dumping their costs on locals and their Councils.
I have a 20M rule when free camping of cleaning up that radius down to the bottle caps and bread tags and even the toilet paper on a stick and it's not much trouble hitting the bins with it on the travels. Recall having an overnighter at Padthaway Cons Park and one spot was a real mess with some bathroom reno junk, tyres, oil containers, bottles, cans, you name it, even down to discarded packaging for camping gear some had bought. We did a fair ant parade stacking it all with the bathroom reno junk and I emailed a photo and location for the local Council to deal with, as at least they'd know what they were dealing with.
There's a lot of clubs, associations and forums for camping and I've thought for some time it would be great if with the industry we all got behind a universal 20M Rule campaign with a nationally identifiable sticker onboard and are you one of us and if not why not neighbour? We don't need Gummint for that and the industry knows where it's bread is buttered.
:cup: :cup:
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Thanks for the TSR heads up and they may be one of those useage rights that slips through the cracks of specific jurisdiction.
As for-
"As some of you know i do a fair bit of traveling and one thing that stands out in our travels is all the rubbish and human wast that is left behind"
it's a shame a minority don't recognize what abusing the privilege ultimately leads to if they're continually dumping their costs on locals and their Councils.
I have a 20M rule when free camping of cleaning up that radius down to the bottle caps and bread tags and even the toilet paper on a stick and it's not much trouble hitting the bins with it on the travels. Recall having an overnighter at Padthaway Cons Park and one spot was a real mess with some bathroom reno junk, tyres, oil containers, bottles, cans, you name it, even down to discarded packaging for camping gear some had bought. We did a fair ant parade stacking it all with the bathroom reno junk and I emailed a photo and location for the local Council to deal with, as at least they'd know what they were dealing with.
There's a lot of clubs, associations and forums for camping and I've thought for some time it would be great if with the industry we all got behind a universal 20M Rule campaign with a nationally identifiable sticker onboard and are you one of us and if not why not neighbour? We don't need Gummint for that and the industry knows where it's bread is buttered.
This is from a reply made to Senator Ricky Muir's facebook post today about dumping and rubbish from day trippers at one of his local fishing spots.
"This is the quantity of roadside rubbish collected by Walhalla residents on 8km of the road into Walhalla…3km to go! This has all be thrown from car windows or dumped in turn-outs…just charming don't you think?"
(https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12540991_10153888805223792_2984470317331617129_n.jpg?oh=b664ecbf0865b8c0f4c3c3284bab3716&oe=57406F3F)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153888805223792&set=p.10153888805223792&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153888805223792&set=p.10153888805223792&type=3&theater)
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You need lawful authority to use them. eg a permit. If you are using the for recreational purposes can only be done between sunrise and sunset.
You're a better googler than me !! :cup:
I have stayed at a few places that were either crown land, no mans land, unfenced private property or something else, but I leave the place as I found it. But these places are usually out of sight of anyone.
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George's Junction is free, and is a great spot, camped there numerous times.
A nearby better spot is West Kudnerang, but you have to pay.
I've also camped at George's Junction, only to have obnoxious Yobbos (male and female) setting up only 40m away.
West Kunderang keeps that type out, or they are a considerable distance from you, but can be booked out in busy times.
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I've camped at Blackbird Flat a couple of times and being closer to Kempsey, more chance of yobbos, but both times it was all good.
The new campground, Cracknback is a bit further out than Blackbird, but you have to pay.
West Kunderang looks great, but a bit far out just for a weekend.
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Bass lodge is just across the road from Georges Junction. I just checked their site and there is mention made of the closure. Will try to paste the link but I'm not renowned for my computer skills.
http://www.basslodge.com.au/ (http://www.basslodge.com.au/)
Ken
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I've just been reading on a Facebook page that this close down may not be true, apparently a bit of bad journalism from 4wda, who would of guessed that?
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Perhaps they didn't pay their sponsorship money?
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Im staying at cracknback this weekend which is only a few klms down the road so will check it out with my own eyes to wether it's closed. The new campsite at cracknback has been only open for a few weeks and is limited to 16 spots. Will report back on what it's like
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Im staying at cracknback this weekend which is only a few klms down the road so will check it out with my own eyes to wether it's closed. The new campsite at cracknback has been only open for a few weeks and is limited to 16 spots. Will report back on what it's like
Pics !! Especially how the access down to the river is. :cheers:
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Im staying at cracknback this weekend which is only a few klms down the road so will check it out with my own eyes to wether it's closed. The new campsite at cracknback has been only open for a few weeks and is limited to 16 spots. Will report back on what it's like
i look forward to the report, a friend of ours asked if we wanted to do Easter there. I don't feel like doing the 6 hour drive to get there this year, but if your report is glowing of the place, I may at some stage head down there.
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Pics !! Especially how the access down to the river is. :cheers:
No problem will post a few pics up when I get backi look forward to the report, a friend of ours asked if we wanted to do Easter there. I don't feel like doing the 6 hour drive to get there this year, but if your report is glowing of the place, I may at some stage head down there.
Yeah I'm quite interested to find out what it's like. There website seems to be fairly comprehensive and the pics look good. Only one way to find out, packing as we speak
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Would you mind posting a link to their website. All I seem to get is Crackenback in the snowies.
Thanks
Ken
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Would you mind posting a link to their website. All I seem to get is Crackenback in the snowies.
Thanks
Ken
http://wallpoppy4.wix.com/cracknback (http://wallpoppy4.wix.com/cracknback)
That's the website 👍
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I've been a bit quiet over here recently... trailer plans went on hold, so I limited myself to which forums I frequented in that time.
I spotted this story first up on Facebook locally, and then saw it on 4x4Earth (http://4x4earth.com/forum/index.php?threads/georges-junction-closed.38371/) as well.
I've copied and pasted below the results of conversations I had with people up here in Armidale; Last weekend I went down the Armidale - Kempsey road (well, sort of... I took a back road down to Lower Creek from Styx State Forest) and saw the guys at Cracknback as well.
The quoted posts below are my posts to 4x4Earth:
17 January:
Comments are as follows:
-I don't think it's closed; no signs saying it was closed and people were camping there still (and have been for a while).
-There were no tyre marks in the top area, just one yellowed patch of grass from a tent.
-Guy who runs the new campsite down the way (Cracknback, find it on Facebook) was saying that:
-- Armidale Council manage the rubbish collection
-- LLS NW manage the TSR aspect
And that the cows are owned by a number of people.
What I actually think has happened is that 4WD Action are getting half truths out there, without checking 100%. I will try to find out more over the next few days from the Visitor Information centre, Council and LLS and report back.
19th January:
I went to talk to the nice people at the Visitor Information centre here in Armidale; I have a good relationship with them as I work for a caravan park in town as well, so deal with them most shifts.
They did some ringing around, as one of the staff there had heard the same story. The results are:
-Armidale Dumaresq council say that they have not heard anything about it being closed other than the article from 4WD Action (and a lot of people ringing up to ask questions about it since Friday)
-Rang Riverview Lodges who are down there to confirm, and likewise they had only heard about it from 4WD Action's post... and they said they had also seen people camping at George's Junction
So, to conclude, we do not think (99% certain) that it is closed, however the VIC are trying to get from 4WD Action where they got the information from (the VIC manager was firing off emails as I left!) as at the moment it seems to be unfounded truths.
Later on on the 17th:
I've just had an email back from the guys at the VIC, and there's going to be an update from 4WD Action on Thursday...
I suspect there is some truth in what 4WD Action said, but the way they said it did not convey it properly, and ultimately the camping is still open on the main area on the road side of the Macleay River.
21 Jan:
OK, response from 4WD Action is up now.
What it doesn't say is that the original article bore no relation to the actual situation there, and that the way they had written the piece was quite wrong; GJ was never closed, rather one area that was being used was closed off due to the idiots - but their original story never explained that, rather it said that GJ was closed... that's quite a bit of a difference... oh well, it's 4WD Action, what else do we expect? They'll never let the truth get in the way of a good story...
Hope that helps everyone,
Ed (also posts on Australian CamperTrailer Facebook group)
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Sounds like 4WD Action
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Hi guys, sorry for the delay. As mentioned above, It all appears a case of poor journalism on behalf of 4wd action (surprise surprise!!!!). When I was staying up at Cracknback campground on the Australia Day weekend there were plenty of people camped at out at George's junction. Sorry I didn't get any pics as is left my phone back at camp
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Hi guys, sorry for the delay. As mentioned above, It all appears a case of poor journalism on behalf of 4wd action (surprise surprise!!!!). When I was staying up at Cracknback campground on the Australia Day weekend there were plenty of people camped at out at George's junction. Sorry I didn't get any pics as is left my phone back at camp
We don't want any pics of Georges...we want pics of Cracknback !! ;D
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Hang on hang on I'm getting there lol. I will post a thread up on cracknback tomorrow hopefully
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Hang on hang on I'm getting there lol. I will post a thread up on cracknback tomorrow hopefully
:cup: :cheers:
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Hi guys, sorry for the delay. As mentioned above, It all appears a case of poor journalism on behalf of 4wd action (surprise surprise!!!!). When I was staying up at Cracknback campground on the Australia Day weekend there were plenty of people camped at out at George's junction. Sorry I didn't get any pics as is left my phone back at camp
were they just camping at the top of the Junction or across the river and up river from the Junction?