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(Heading changed)Cheap Chinese Poly Hitch Failure (PICS NOW UP)
« Reply #125 on: March 06, 2013, 02:32:57 PM »
Thanks to this thread I've just bought a McHitch for $100, :) I wonder how much I can get for my Chinese hitch??
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Now my only worry is if my Chinese trailer will fall off and leave the hitch behind, although it has had considerable modifications to the underside.

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« Reply #126 on: March 06, 2013, 02:51:34 PM »
Taken from Australian standards
Question is what do you do if you have been sold one that doesn't comply
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« Reply #127 on: March 06, 2013, 02:53:42 PM »
Just curious how its been determined the crook ones are Chinese made?
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« Reply #128 on: March 06, 2013, 02:56:35 PM »
Cause they all look the same

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« Reply #129 on: March 06, 2013, 03:15:06 PM »
I've been doing a bit of reading on ADR62/02 which covers couplings for trailers with maximum rating up to 3500kg. My coupling does not comply. The markings on it are

AS4177.3
2000kg
50mm
60

The standard for AS4177.3 states


AS4177.3 is for 50mm Ball coupling bodies only. No application to poly blocks as far as I can see. will look further.
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« Reply #130 on: March 06, 2013, 03:26:27 PM »
Here is the relavant document, ADR 62/02.  The AS4177.3 apply to 50mm ball couplings only.  Other coupling types are adressed in this ADR.

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2010C00153

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« Reply #131 on: March 06, 2013, 03:55:43 PM »
It also makes mention of other couplings apart from 50mm ball for AS 4177.3 but is very scant on details. You will also note that the Trigg website refers to AS 4177.3 for all their trailer couplings

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« Reply #132 on: March 06, 2013, 03:56:17 PM »
Cause they all look the same

LOL... That's funny.

Probably very politically incorrect, but very funny!

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« Reply #133 on: March 06, 2013, 04:00:30 PM »
Hmm, here's a Question for you all.
How many of the Chinese, knock of, come copied Hitches are there in use.?....
How many have failed that we know of..? ( 1 that i am now aware of )
. so. for arguments sake, lets say there's 2000 in use.. 1 has failed............... trouble is i'm no good at math's.... 8)
 But 1 in 2000, does not seem to bad to me...........
Not saying that makes it ok.!
But the odd's are there,,
Sure there's a week point, Jeepers found it.. so we can check now,,
Every manufacturer has a certain amount that fails the test.. or one or 2 can slip thru the system from time to time..
If someone posted about a Treg failing. would we all go out and buy another brand.? i doubt it..
Anyway.. fire away, shoot me down.... ;D

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« Reply #134 on: March 06, 2013, 04:02:13 PM »
Seriously though, the salesman at Treg indicated that the copies of their product are originating in China and they are giving them grief.

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« Reply #135 on: March 06, 2013, 04:08:24 PM »
Thanks to this thread I've just bought a McHitch for $100, :) I wonder how much I can get for my Chinese hitch??
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Now my only worry is if my Chinese trailer will fall off and leave the hitch behind, although it has had considerable modifications to the underside.

Yeah, going to do something similar and get an Ozhitch conversion for my poly coupling

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« Reply #136 on: March 06, 2013, 07:25:38 PM »
I don't want to question the integrity of the two companies (retailer and wholesaler) Jeepers has been dealing with BUT I can't come up with an explanation of how a retailer that thought they were selling quality, oz made couplings supplied by a wholesaler who also thought they were selling quality, oz made couplings managed to get the poor quality copy into their inventory. The only way I can picture this happening is if they (either the retailer or the wholesaler, or both) sold a full separate range of the knock offs and managed to "cross contaminate" the product delivered to the customer. I can't imagine they would have a single "knock off" just floating around  that found it's way onto Jeepers trailer by mistake.

I am happy to have my thoughts disproven because I don't wont to muddy Jeeper's suppliers names, they appear to have looked after him really good, something which should be applauded even though must of us would like to think it should be the norm.

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Lets see....

Jeepers goes in to workshop and orders a TREG hitch.
Workshop orders in a TREG hitch from a wholesaler who sells lots of different hitches.
Person working at wholesaler picks up wrong hitch from shelf and sends it to the workshop.
Workshop has hitch arrive and office girl tells workshop foreman or mechanic the part is here.
Workshop mechanic goes into office to get hitch for Jeepers camper trailer and fits hitch.
Jeepers, because at this point wouldn't know a TREG from an Easter Egg, pays the account and heads off to go camping.

How easy is that.

Sure, it is a series of blunders and maybe the workshop should've picked up on the fact they had the wrong hitch.. maybe not.

But the main thing is, it was sorted and sorted quickly and i'm now a happy camper.  ;D

Congrates to those who are changing hitches too.

As far as the 1 in 2000 failure thought, it could be even more, like 1 in 10,000... who knows.. not me, thats for sure.

But i cant help but think, if one was welded so poorly, there has be others.

If you about to jump out of a plane in a parachute and you got told it was made by the same place that made my dud hitch,
Would you still jump?

If your answer is yes, then don't change your hitch.
If you wouldn't jump, than get a new hitch.

If we get to the national meet later this year, we'll be the folks with the new shiney gold TREG hitch with a trailer still connected to it.  ;D
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« Reply #137 on: March 06, 2013, 07:35:43 PM »
i too will not be on the road till i get a proper one, life is to short to play with ones own or other peoples lives. The importer should recall all hitches as other reputable companys do. just my bit

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« Reply #138 on: March 06, 2013, 07:44:29 PM »
Well if i get to the national...
I'll be the baldheaded bloke with the Chinese camper attached to the Chinese poly block hitch.. ;D
But my point was,,,
If it's Ausie made... and it failed.. due to poor workmanship or quality of material.. would you react the same...

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« Reply #139 on: March 06, 2013, 07:46:49 PM »
Oh,, and in reply to jumping out of a plane... Why.?
Why would you want to jump out of a perfectly good plane.?? :D ;D
I certainly wont be.. :cheers:

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« Reply #140 on: March 06, 2013, 07:56:00 PM »
if an aussie on failed there are laws which require a recall , maybe iam wrong
we all have freedom of choice, iam thinking of a MacHitch conversion as the are made just up the road,  :cheers:

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« Reply #141 on: March 06, 2013, 08:27:42 PM »
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« Reply #142 on: March 06, 2013, 08:39:03 PM »
Theres a national meet later this year?
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« Reply #143 on: March 06, 2013, 08:42:47 PM »
There aren't any imitation DO35's out there......yet......
(This is not meant to derail the discussion, merely a follow up to an earlier alternative point of view)
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« Reply #144 on: March 06, 2013, 11:11:45 PM »
Cause they all look the same

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« Reply #145 on: March 07, 2013, 06:18:52 AM »
Those that turn up at National with only a polly block sticking out the back will be inducted to the Knock Off Club  :cup:
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« Reply #146 on: March 07, 2013, 07:16:33 AM »
The Australian Standards:

AS 4177.1-2004
Caravan and light trailer towing components - Towbars and towing brackets

 AS 4177.1-2004/Amdt 1-2006
Caravan and light trailer towing components - Towbars and towing brackets

  AS 4177.1-2004/Amdt 2-2006
Caravan and light trailer towing components - Towbars and towing brackets

 AS 4177.2-2004
Caravan and light trailer towing components - 50 mm towballs

 AS 4177.3-2004
Caravan and light trailer towing components - Coupling body for ball couplings

AS 4177.4-2004
Caravan and light trailer towing components - Safety chains up to 3500 kg capacity

AS 4177.4-2004/Amdt 1-2006
Caravan and light trailer towing components - Safety chains up to 3500 kg capacity
 
AS 4177.5-2004
Caravan and light trailer towing components - Electrical connectors

 
So none of the specialised hitches (except the Hyland, which uses a ball) are covered by any part of AS4177 - they only have to comply with Section 12 of ADR62-02.  For marking that means they have to show the makers name or trademark and the maximum load rating (ATM), together with a reference to the mating component.  Any other information is at the discretion of the manufacturer.

By the way, the existance of an Australian Standard does not mean that it has to be complied with - the standard has to be specifically referenced in legislation to make compliance mandatory.
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« Reply #147 on: March 07, 2013, 08:27:59 AM »
- they only have to comply with Section 12 of ADR62-02.

Correct. When I registered my CT the inspection man spent an hour making phone calls because he was certain my Mchitch didnt comply! In the mean time I rang Mchitch and he explained it too me in detail. The inspection man was getting confused with a ball coupling.
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« Reply #148 on: March 07, 2013, 08:47:52 AM »
The inspection man was getting confused with a ball coupling.

What hope do we have then!!

You and Pipeliner at least have a good understanding.
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« Reply #149 on: March 07, 2013, 09:12:59 AM »
AS4177.3 is for 50mm Ball coupling bodies only. No application to poly blocks as far as I can see. will look further.
Where does that leave those with 50mm balls almost as old as they are?
If your ball/s pre-date the ADR are you still allowed to use them?
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