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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2013, 12:41:36 PM »
From what im lead to believe its more of an advanced tune up and i know i could get it tuned up cheaper elsewhere but im happy paying a bit more to have someone thats well known in the industry.

Im unsure of when the last tune up was done as i have never had it done in the 12 months that i have owned the car for.

I will replace the fuel filter this weekend but he did say that he will be doing that anyway
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2013, 03:58:40 PM »
so overfuelling is an issue at moment.
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.....or not enough air. Seems like it's still on factory boost of 8psi max.
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2013, 05:07:10 PM »
I had my standard 1HZ cruiser turboed by Mike vine about a year ago, part of the installation was to give it a good tune, all the other performance aspects of the motor not directly related to the turbo was also checked, much much better off idle even with no turbo boost it even starts better, there was noticeable difference, I will most certainly go back when tune time comes again, I'm not sure what he can do for you
In the nearly 12 months from the instal I have had zero issue and only have had to ring him once and that was to thank him for a good job.
My cruiser tows my Jayco swan OB with the wife and 3 kids and mother in law fully loaded up Toowoomba range in 3rd, It was pushing the limits however with temps, but from a performance point of view it does it quicker now with van on loaded to the hilt (close to 5 ton) than it used to by myself with the cruiser empty.
I found Mike to be forthright and honest, he's price was at the dear end of the scale but I the feeling I got was I'm getting what I paid for, with 12 months retrospect, I'm still happy,
My fuel economy did slide when towing, but is the same when empty running, and now to have the ability to overtake to boot.
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2013, 07:19:13 PM »
That's great news mate and thanks for the info.

Yes the patrol is big standard still running factory boost which reads on the gauge as a bit over 9psi. Yes I'm running vdo gauges only use the best and i fitted a 3inch mandrel bent Beaudesert exhaust. Hopefully this weekend I will be fitting the thermo fan too.

I'm really looking forward to seeing the difference
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2013, 07:44:32 PM »
............and i fitted a 3inch mandrel bent Beaudesert exhaust............

Did you do the dump housing on the back of the turbo as well?
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2013, 08:16:25 PM »
Well Maverick01 you are on a winner with Mick Vine as he is one of the best in the business.
Ford engaged him for their FPV's and other projects. I too have had the MV work and nothing but praise for his no nonsence no bull workmanship  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2013, 09:49:40 PM »
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Hopefully this weekend I will be fitting the thermo fan too.
the factory clutch fan is sufficient if your fuel/air is correct. I have no issues with mine
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2013, 12:42:29 AM »
Yes I did for the 3inch dump pipe too.

I should have been more specific in regards to the thermo fan. I have got to fit the thermo fan to the top of the intercooler.
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2013, 08:55:32 AM »
Yes I did for the 3inch dump pipe too.

I should have been more specific in regards to the thermo fan. I have got to fit the thermo fan to the top of the intercooler.
Don't do it.
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http://www.are.com.au/Inter/topMountIntercoolers.htm Look at the graph and figures on this page.

Now, a myth that needs changing. On internet forums, it is very common too read that little air goes into a Patrol scoop & if the car has a bull bar, no air goes into the scoop at 100kph.

The first part is right, in relation too the vehicle air speed, only a small amount does go into the scoop & through the core, BUT, at 100kph, more air is going through than at 60 kph. Tests have been done with rain drops & ribbons taped in front of the scoop & why they have given a false 'picture' of what is actually happening is because there is an intercooler under the scoop.

Reading above & checking fan air flow testing in our R&D page, the core presents quite a resistance too air flow, so it only allows a percentage of the air that enters an open scoop to flow through it.

 Once the scoop cavity has filled with air (compressed too it's limit), no more air can enter the scoop, so it flows over the top of the scoop, which is why rain droplets or pieces of ribbon, stand up & over the top of the scoop, giving the appearance that no air is going through the intercooler at all.

 In fan testing we conducted for Repco back in 2003, we got the following results.
 Their imported 10" ICE fan pulled 2.92m/sec or 10.5kph @ 382.8cfm. through a 56mm water core. Note the actual dia. was 11".
 A Davies Craig 10" fan pulled 3.31m/sec or 11.8 kph @ 381.1cfm through the same 56mm water core.
 To make this worse, a 16" Davies Craig fan rated @ 2210cfm pulled 1822cfm through the same 56mm water core, but only 1358cfm through a 55mm intercooler core !
 This means the air flow through a 10" fan will be down around 8kph through your intercooler & 7kph through ours, so it's slow speed slogging only, the increase will
 be a small gain, but at 100kph it will be a small loss. This is an assumption, we have not tested this yet.
 Also note that from our R&D testing, if the fan blade is around the wrong way & you just swap the wire polarity, you will loose 32 - 39% air flow ! In other words, if you buy
 a puller fan & you can't turn the blade over, -  take it back or sell it, & buy a pusher, or vice versa.
 I will calculate the cfm. figures  for air speed though our intercooler cores & scoops very soon & publish here - this will make the above figures more relevant.






Your better off to go for a better scoop.
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2013, 09:20:33 AM »
^^^ Now you tell us..

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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2013, 09:24:59 AM »
Some people wire there intercooler fan to stay on all the time but I was putting mine on a switch to only use it while either 4wd or towing the camper up steep hills on the highway. Yes I realise these fans are useless over 50kmh.

I already had a fan sitting in the garage so it's not like I have to outlay more money.

I will eventually fit another scoop if I can find 1 that looks good.
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2013, 09:26:44 AM »
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Some people wire there intercooler fan to stay on all the time but I was putting mine on a switch to only use it while either 4wd or towing the camper up steep hills on the highway. Yes I realise these fans are useless over 50kmh.

I already had a fan sitting in the garage so it's not like I have to outlay more money.

I will eventually fit another scoop if I can find 1 that looks good.
I also have a 2.8 fan in the shed... but that's where its staying
If you don't have the fan running, it will block the air flow.

I like these
http://www.totalcare4wd.com.au/index.php/accessories/dragon-composites/bonnet-scoop-mk1
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2013, 09:37:18 AM »
I see your point Lost but unfortunately I have to disagree with you on if the fan is not running it will block air.

As if there is no power to the fan. The amount of air being pushed into the scoop at 100km will therefor make the fan turn. I'm not saying it won't restrict some air but it defiantly won't block all air flow.
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2013, 11:24:11 AM »
Watching this discussion with lots of intrest.

So far the Patrol has the 3 inch exhaust and dump pipe, a tune on the dyno with no alterations to pump but a boost contoller fitted to 12 pounds, high flow air box, boost and EGT guages.

Looking for further poke yet and thinking of doing something with the turbo and also a new bonnet bulge adjuster. Keep the ideas and facts coming

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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2013, 12:07:39 PM »
12mm pumps are gooooooooood....... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2013, 12:14:00 PM »
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I like these
http://www.totalcare4wd.com.au/index.php/accessories/dragon-composites/bonnet-scoop-mk1


I have the Mk2 version...very well made, and fit beautifully.

Do they make a difference?? I dunno, 'cos I've never done back to back runs, but I've never had EGT issues either.
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2013, 12:18:10 PM »
I see your point Lost but unfortunately I have to disagree with you on if the fan is not running it will block air.

As if there is no power to the fan. The amount of air being pushed into the scoop at 100km will therefor make the fan turn. I'm not saying it won't restrict some air but it defiantly won't block all air flow.

I read through all the for and against when I had my 3.0L patrol, different beast I know but the intercooler is in the same spot and it "looked" to be about the right size.

I ended up putting a 8" fan and shroud on the top of my intercooler that was connected to the ignition through a 50degC temperature switch that was mounted to the side of the intercooler. At the time I was doing alot of trips between Dubbo and Narellan. On the very next time I did the trip with the fan on, my economy improved by ~8%. I was previously getting near on 13L/100k's for the trip and it went to 12L/100k's.

Now I know it is not very scientific, however for the previous 3 years my economy was generally about 13L/100k's, post fan my economy under the same conditions used to be 12-12.5L/100k's. I have also done this mod to three other 3.0L patrols and all have had about the same effect.

I understand that the 4.2 is a different beast, however seeing as the fans only cost about the same as a carton of beer, what have you got to loose. If I had another 3.0L patrol I would do it again, no questions asked.
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2013, 12:36:10 PM »
My plans are to install the fan and run some tests on it and get back to you
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2013, 12:46:20 PM »
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12mm pumps are gooooooooood....... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yep, they are on another planet! But so is the cost :(

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I have the Mk2 version...very well made, and fit beautifully.
I didn't see a mark 2.. whats the difference in the 1 and 2??
How much did you pay? I want supply only, not payin some tool 200 to undo a couple of screws!

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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2013, 01:05:03 PM »
I didn't see a mark 2.. whats the difference in the 1 and 2??
How much did you pay? I want supply only, not payin some tool 200 to undo a couple of screws!

See if we can do better for 2 Lost, maybe save a few coins

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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2013, 01:06:41 PM »
See if we can do better for 2 Lost, maybe save a few coins

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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2013, 01:08:32 PM »
See if we can do better for 2 Lost, maybe save a few coins

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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2013, 01:11:47 PM »
Yep, they are on another planet! But so is the cost :(


Sad, but true......

I didn't see a mark 2.. whats the difference in the 1 and 2??
How much did you pay? I want supply only, not payin some tool 200 to undo a couple of screws!


Mk1's (as in the pic in the link) aren't street legal, or they weren't when I was buying.
Mk2's look like a GU scoop on steroids, and are street legal.

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/supporting-vendors-51/bonnet-scoop-gu-intercooler-53788/

Look familiar???

I bought mine when Barney was still doing them on Patrol4X4. Supply only, but wasn't cheap then, either. Don't remember the exact dollars. $385, painted to match, rings a bell.....

You have to deal through someone else, now.
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2013, 01:15:47 PM »
I've called them.
The bloke is david I spoke to.

They have a Mk1 Mk2 and Mk3

He has no photos of Mk2 and 3 yet, but they are shallower than the Mk1...

Price is 585each painted to your colour code and shipped... No better price on multis... :(

Too rich for me.
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Re: GU patrol power upgrade
« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2013, 01:18:01 PM »
Ok
they have a Mk1 Mk2 and Mk3

but he has no photos of Mk2 and 3 yet, but they are shallower than the 1.


Pics of Mk1, 2 & 3 in the link 2 posts back ^.....
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