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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: jetcrew on February 08, 2011, 07:32:04 PM
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Ok If this is possible .
I am thinking of a new car and the list is pretty narrow I only want to spen $55K and the 2 options are the patrol and the 76 series.
The mrs likes the patrol and I must admit I have not looked at one since selling my series 2 in 2005 . But was impressed at the level of included items .
and a ripper price too at 50K . BUT ..the small engine size worries me and the clutches are a know problkem in all nissans .(IMHO)
The 76 series which is my dream tourer is not alot of bang for your buck in terms of included equipment but does have a nice big diesal.
I am not sure which is best and would like some opinions .
Jetcrew ???
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If the 4.2TDi Patrol was still available it would be my choice, since it isn't the 76 series would win hands down and if I had to replace my 2006 4.2TDi Patrol the 76 Series would be my first pick without question.........Just don't tell anyone I want a Toyota ;D
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From a financial perspective, the Toyota is going to retain it's value far better than the Patrol.
I couldn't bring myself to buy a Patrol now, a new car that is already 10 (20?) years old. On the other hand, the 76 ain't exactly the latest design either, though it does strike me as the perfect basis to build a tourer on. Bar work, 35's, yummy.
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I have driven both of the vehicals and yes the 76 is basic and I think would be a little uncomfortable without new front seats which I would replace in due corse.
I know that for 50k you should not have to repklace seats but nor should you have to replace clutches either. The v8 is a new engine whereas the 3.0 is still the same 10 year old one .
The simplicity of the 76 makes me think that is not going to date as quickley if that makes sense .I still get into 75 series utes and love em. Maybe its just nostalgia but new style cars seem to date very quickley.
I am thinking long term here so am worried about the patrol in relation to reliability. Niether car stands out more than the other and It's a very hard decision . At this rate I'll end up with a landrover LOL :D
Jetcrew :D
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Go the 76. You know you want the V8
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Jetcrew, take a 76 Series for a test drive to get some idea of what they are like. Whilst that big V8 engine is lovely, the rest of the vehicle is about as modern as my old 60 Series,
Bit your tongue >:( ;D
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Bit your tongue >:( ;D
No offense meant jk, as I loved my 60, probably about as much as you do yours.
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At this rate I'll end up with a landrover LOL :D
I'd add the defender into the list of possible choices. If I had to get a new 4wd then I'd only be looking at a solid axle diesel, which for the moment only leaves you with 4 choices, Patrol, Jeep Wrangler 4 door, 76 Cruiser and the Defender. How long the patrol will stay on the list due to solid axles who knows ;D
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None taken :cheers: ;D
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Hi Jetcrew,
I had a similair decision to make back in 2008 and previously owning a '03 GU3.0TD and prior to that an 80 series 1HZ, I have an idea of these vehicles. I was originally VERY interested in the 76 series and had my heart set on it. However, its total lack of safety features like ABS and multiple airbags was simply unacceptable in this era (now has driver and passenger airbag in post ~2009 models). If you have ever had ABS save family members, you will not be complacent about ensuring your vehicle has it.
Apart from the lack of safety, it is really much smaller than I thought, its not a 4 door troopie and is more in line with a Prado size. It does have the V8 diesel, but not the twin turbo, but its still a great engine IMHO. While its has the traditional live axles, it also is a mixed bag in that it has a modern engine - it will never run without a working battery like my 1HZ could.
I looked at buying another GU but have sworn off owning any Nissan due to their warranty support. I had the dual mass flywheel (clutch) issue only 5,000km out of warranty and it took consumer affairs to get involved before they coughed up ~40% towards a new one. And given a few other issues with Nissan Australia, I will never let my shadow darken their door again.
So now I was down to the Prado and was nearly about to sign on the dotted line. But their was this 200 series TTD V8 demo sitting there so I decide to go for a test drive. One word of caution DON"T!!! After driving a TTD there is no way i could buy a new Prado knowing what 650Nm of torque feels like.
Fitted with KDSS a stock 200 has MORE wheel travel than a 2" lifted Patrol, don't let the IFS put you off. One reason I bought the GU over a 100 series TD was due to IFS and back then it was probably a good decision, but now KDSS has changed the equation.
Yes, a second hand 200 TTD would still be pushing your budget, but compared to what else is in the market, it was a no brainer for me and one that I have never regretted for a moment.
Cheers
Captain
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Go the 76. You know you want the V8
so we will order 2 and get a discount hey. :D
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go the 76. I have heard of too many people having too many problems with Nissan, and you can almost, IMHO, guarantee the tojo will still be kicking over first go in 500 000 ks, where as the nissan......
:cheers: Cracka
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Ok If this is possible .
I am thinking of a new car and the list is pretty narrow I only want to spen $55K and the 2 options are the patrol and the 76 series.
Jetcrew ???
Just curious where you are going to get a new 76 series for $55k?
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I've just been through this process. I wanted to update our GU, get something newer etc etc. I was pretty set on the 76 until I drove one. Very disappointing, went well - infact the engine is superb but that's where it ends. Leaf springs, lacking interior, less space, average offroad performance.
We are now keeping the GU, as there is little choice for a solid axle tourer. I am looking to update my daily drive, something stupidly quick and handles - that's 50K - plenty to choose from...
Good luck with your decision.
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If Nissan were to follow Toyota's path they would bring back the GQ Patrol, stick a new V8 diesel in it, leave the rest unchanged and then charge 60 grand for it...isn't that what Toyota have done with the 76? People would laugh at the price being charged yet Toyota get away with it. Better again, imagine a GU with a V8 like the 76's - they would sell like hotcakes. Coil springs, strong drivetrain, dual tanks, modern stuff with safety...people would happily pay 60 for that!
In reality, because they are going to run the GU alongside the new Patrol, the GU might score a detuned version of the Renault V6 turbo diesel, similiar to what they have done with the D22 and D40 Navara's.
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Go the V8 option because it's what you really want.................go on admit it ( proof is below ) ;D , caught in the act of getting drool on a V8 diesel ;D
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Mate go the Patrol! You know you miss your old one.
We have had no problems with ours and they are a very capable truck standard.
Daz
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I thought the latest 70 series wagons got airbags and abs?
mike
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If the 76 had an automatic, I would save money and buy it.
On our trip to Cape Arid there were 2 76 series.
I did use the word "basic" to them, which is true, but that car is brilliant.
It tows effortless. Everytime when we checked our fuel, they said: "Mmm still half full. What about you?""grrrrrrr"
In soft sand with camper trailer it did 1500 rpm while I had 2500.
It is a very strong car and brilliant off road. But no automatic.
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BIG V8 diesel.
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If the 76 had an automatic, I would save money and buy it.
Same, would have never bough an auto 15 years ago but now I was disappointed when I went and had a look at the GXL 76 and found it did not come in an auto. If they would upgrade to coils all round and an auto I reckon it would be pretty close to the perfect tourer. They look real nice all decked out with lift, barwork, snorkel, winch ans roof rack,
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It has the same engine as the 200 series which has an automatic paired to it.
See no reason why they can't do the same for the 76 series.
That with the factory fitted front and rear lockers............... :cup:
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Update,
Nissan are doing a deal on a new patrol and with a decent trade in on my old girl. But I still can't seem to bring myself to do it for some reason . The bitter taste in my mouth from previous dealing with nissan are still there and I am wondering if a new model is just around the corner given thier keeness to move stock.It drive s fine without a load but I'm not to keen on possible towing power from the CRD 3.0 (maybe an owner could comment)
Toyota are not as keen to deal which is typical when there is a 16 week wait on new car. Which would give me zero prep time for cape trip.
I am leaning towards waiting till after cape trip this year and seeing whats out there then as I don't want to make the wrong decision and we all know that once you drive out the lot your dollars are always going down.
I can see why so many struggle to make a decision. You would think that with limited chocies that it would be easier but it just makes you wonder if any of them are worth it. or if the old faithfull in the driveway is better kept and throw a few $$$ at her.
Jetcrew ???
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Jetcrew,
I don't envy your decision - we are waiting on a new camper and once that's paid for - the missus wants to upgrade from the 80 series to a new D/C Hilux and even though I'm not even close to having the decide it's killing me - the old 80 has most things we want on it and does everything we need albeit a bit slow as it's a 1hz (reliable) and we own it - against massive money outlay - but new/more comfortable/safety features/will get an auto if do it/Dual Cab versatility/better economy - I just don't know either!!
On your problem - I drive the new troopies and 1 one of the GLX 76 series - it is a sweet engine and hard to go passed if your looking for a wagon.
Good luck
cheers
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There's not a wrong decision there is just a "now" decision. The larger wagons have all gone up in price significantly in the last three years. I just had my 100 series valued at more than I paid for it.
Great Wall anyone ;) ?
How about a second hand 200? They've been around for almost four years and some are cheap.
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Here is one with all the fruit and a whole lot more
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?Cr=10&R=10036573&keywords=&trecs=941&__sid=12BD3AF18CD4&__Ns=pCar_YearMade_Int32|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|0&__Qpb=true&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&seot=1&__N=1216 1282 4294962861 4294962570&silo=1011
GG
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Nice, where's the banjo?
(http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/private/carsales/10910544.jpg)
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I also have been pricing a new 76 GXL wagon, have got them down to not a bad price RR $76,200, $68,000 on road with bull bar, steel rails, diff locks ,air and tow bar, still so much money for very little.
BUT I have just heard there is a base 200 series coming out early-mid next year and the wagon is being discontinued, I spoke to our dealer and he was unsure of the 76 not being made anymore but said yes there is a base 200 coming out
Christian
Here it is
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What about the FJCruiser?
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if I came home with that one I'd be living in it I think.. :D (literally)
Jetcrew ;D
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What about the FJCruiser?
Yuck
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TW,
I also heard that there will be a base model 200 coming out soon. so that must factor into the situation as well I suppose.
I guess i just wish cars could talk as I'd go outside grab a beer and sit in the old fzj105 and ask her ever so nicley.
"so baby what do think you'll feel like doing in the next 2 years ? are you ok with our relationship ? do I show you enough attention ? do you feel loved? or are you that pissed off that every chance you get your going to give me grief and cost me money ?"
Then at least I'd know it was time for a divorce or that we still have memories to share. because as we all know new relationships cost just as much as the old one. ;D ;D
Jetcrew :D
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Sorry Theo i have no opinion on this at all as i generally steer clear of car yards. I would only be dreaming. I will have to stick with the ole Challenger for awhile yet BUT
that is p&%s funny. If only they could talk..... :)
If cars could talk i would not be around to write this. My old mans car would have told him back in the day what we used to get up to in it at the ripe ole age of 14 hehehehehe
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I must say when I saw the FJCruiser in real it was much better looking then in the pictures.
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A mate of mine has a 79 series v8 ute that he has put a diesel power chip in + a 3 inch exhaust system. The thing goes like a cut cat on a hot tin roof.
He reckons it's not that short of his old mans 200 series.
Cheers Glenn
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If your willing to go for one 2nd hand, you can get them cheaper. I picked mine up from an auction where they had about 5 go under the hammer, gxl's and workmate models, from $39k to $53k, some with a reasonable amount of km's on the clock for their age. Wish I waited the $39k which went of last, came with arb winch bar, winch, rear dual tyre carrier and cargo barrier ... d'oh
After driving it arround last week I'm very happy with it, heaps of power, its got everything that I want (well almost - theres alway some mod's to do no matter the 4wd ;D)and doesn't feel as big to me as a patrol or 100/200 series. Only a couple of minor things wrong with it like the bent radio attenea and needed a second immobiser button, but other wise all else is good with the purchase
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Another thing to change is the fuel tank. The standard tank is not big enough: only 90 liter.
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Food for thought. $70k for a kitted out 200 series including the engel :cheers:
http://www.pickles.com.au/cars/vehicle/CP-10-08-Toyota-Landcruiser-VDJ200R-GXL-Wagon-8-Seats-4-Doors/itemid-1-652019903/lotid-652028356
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Hey
The Jeep Renegade Unlimited Diesel didnt get your interest as a tourer?
$44000 driveaway with front and rear lockers
Throw in a long range tank, spring/damper package, dual batteries, UHF and you would still be under 50K.
Just a thought. :D
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I'd personally stay clear of the wrangler diesels. A work mate owned one for around 6 months or so. In that time it spent 4 months at the dealers getting fixed. Once he finally got it home he sold it while it was still running ;D
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I'd personally stay clear of the wrangler diesels. A work mate owned one for around 6 months or so. In that time it spent 4 months at the dealers getting fixed. Once he finally got it home he sold it while it was still running ;D
Doesnt sound good. But of course ALL models have lemons amongst them. Patrols do engines, Prados do rear diffs, Landcruisers do front diffs, Pathfinders do gearboxes and engines, Landrovers do insane weird stuff, V8 landcruisers use oil, Pajeros crack screens when crossed up - the list never ends.
Is there an inherent problem they suffer?
cheers
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V8 landcruisers use oil
Only the diesel V8, not the petrol. It just uses petrol ;D
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YoDoesnt sound good. But of course ALL models have lemons amongst them. Patrols do engines, Prados do rear diffs, Landcruisers do front diffs, Pathfinders do gearboxes and engines, Landrovers do insane weird stuff, V8 landcruisers use oil, Pajeros crack screens when crossed up - the list never ends.
Your right Dazzzler.
the MU at 15 years old has a problem with the auto window button, think I should get rid of it ;D ;D
Talk to a local guy how has just traded his 70 ute on a Parado cause his used 1 litre per 5K but was a real pain with the rear wheels being narrow than the front. Said it was a big issue on soft terrain.