One for the motorcyclists

[Bird]

Another rule made up by some clueless desk jockey.

http://www.mcnews.com.au/abs-become-mandatory-motorcycles-2019/

?All new motorcycle models sold in Australia from 2019 must have ABS.

All previous generation motorcycles sold in Australia must have ABS by 2021. Yes I believe this means your 10 yr old R1. What exactly is previous generation...

This means popular machines like DR650 must have ABS by 2021 or be phased out.

Enduro and Trials Motorcycles are exempted.

Trailbikes with a 21? front and designed primarily for off-road use and with no pillion capability are also exempted.

Adventure Motorcycles can have switchable ABS but it must default to on.

There is no pending legislation for mandatory traction control.

[DrewXT]

Another rule made up by some clueless desk jockey.

WTF?? What arsehat came up with that brilliant scheme?

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[SEADOO]

I'm only a novice, but is this a bad thing?

I know a lot of curent dirt bikes are still a late 90's design with a new sticker kit.

But is adding ABS a bad thing?

[Charlie Brown]

Excellent idea.  Rode an ABS equipped bike all over Australia.  And on many, many dirt roads.  Yes, I had the option of switching the ABS off, but never bothered.

[topcat]

http://www.mcnews.com.au/abs-become-mandatory-motorcycles-2019/

All new motorcycle models sold in Australia from 2019 must have ABS.

All previous generation motorcycles sold in Australia must have ABS by 2021. 

I think this means that each new generations of models launched after 2019 must have ABS.

Models in existence at 2019 have until 2021 to include ABS in their specs or they can't be sold after 2021.

It's not retrospective to the extent that models sold before 2021 can be ridden without ABS if sold without ABS.

Make sense 

... reading it again, only Adventure bikes can have switchable ABS (presumably to cater for dirt roads) - does this imply that pure road bikes will not have switchable ABS 

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

Just wait, some bright spark in Authority will put their own interpretation on it and make all bikes do it.

[Charlie Brown]

Just wait, some bright spark in Authority will put their own interpretation on it and make all bikes do it.

Can’t see a problem with that myself.

[leachy_9]

Every bike I've owned since the late 80's has had ABS. In that time I have only needed it twice, but on both occasions I was very thankful it was there. I don't know why anyone wouldn't want ABS.

[Charlie Brown]

Exactly 

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

Ok, just seemed like it might have been a problem from the point of view of some one else.
Not pointing the finger or nufin.

You will probably get some bright spark try to invoke it on the "Historic bkes", I can see that coming.
A real early Indian, Trumpy, or an 'Ariel Square Four' or something like them.
It seems they are trying to get rid of a lot of the bikes, and make people buy new ones they can't afford.
Just like the standards that Insurance Companies use for crash damage, and writing them off.

[rags]

http://www.mcnews.com.au/abs-become-mandatory-motorcycles-2019/

All new motorcycle models sold in Australia from 2019 must have ABS.

All previous generation motorcycles sold in Australia must have ABS by 2021. 

I think this means that each new generations of models launched after 2019 must have ABS.

Models in existence at 2019 have until 2021 to include ABS in their specs or they can't be sold after 2021.

It's not retrospective to the extent that models sold before 2021 can be ridden without ABS if sold without ABS.

Make sense 

... reading it again, only Adventure bikes can have switchable ABS (presumably to cater for dirt roads) - does this imply that pure road bikes will not have switchable ABS 

You have nailed it Topcat, it is exactly what it means. Similar to when electronic stability control was introduced into cars in 2009 as an example we suddenly didn't need to retrofit the VK commodore to comply. It meant that new models to market needed to comply from said date and subsequently any existing model sold to market needed to comply by the later date.
Example statement below;
On 22 June 2009, the Australian Government announced the introduction of an Australian Design Rule, based on Global Technical Regulation No.8, for the mandatory fitting of ESC to passenger cars and SUVs from November 2011 (for new models) and November 2013 (for all vehicles).

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

So what your saying Rags, is if it's never sold again and remains continuously registered in that same owners name, you dodge the requirement.
Is that right?

[BBull]

If it’s not fitted from factory you don’t have to fit ABS to sell it on a second hand bike.
Only the manufacturers have to worry about complying. No one has to do anything if they want to sell a older model bike as it isn’t fitted from new

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

Thanks.

[Bigfish]

If it’s not fitted from factory you don’t have to fit ABS to sell it on a second hand bike.
Only the manufacturers have to worry about complying. No one has to do anything if they want to sell a older model bike as it isn’t fitted from new

That,s how it will be.  Bikes have all sorts of electronic gadgetry on them now from Yaw sensors, electronic suspension control, ABS, engine management ETC....99% of riders wouldn,t have the skills to completely master the capabilities of a modern performance motorcycle.   The electronic aides make up for some riders shortfalls and ABS is one of them. ABS would be hellishly expensive to retrofit and downright impossible on many older bikes.

[edz]

Still reckon it would be far better for Gumbies that want to ride a bike,  go out and do the O'l Skool thing and heaven forbid actualy learn some riding skills.
 Dumbing things down and have a computer do things for the masses will  breed a dumber rider that will  get complacent and have  less skills than  needed, that  thinks a computer will save them when ever they push things too far .
Bring in the Body bags to pick up the meat ..
My opinion of course .

[Spada]

does this mean that the postie will stop skidding up to the letter box 

[BBull]

Probably find it would double the cost of a postie bike if they have to comply as well

[#jonesy]

This is the same way all new ADR and Australian Standards come in.

Most of these changes would often be a standard feature anyway by the time it comes in. It is a way of bringing the bottom end of the market up to a better standard.

This has no effect on the second hand market as they are not "new"

[lloydus67]

Still reckon it would be far better for Gumbies that want to ride a bike,  go out and do the O'l Skool thing and heaven forbid actualy learn some riding skills.
 Dumbing things down and have a computer do things for the masses will  breed a dumber rider that will  get complacent and have  less skills than  needed, that  thinks a computer will save them when ever they push things too far .
Bring in the Body bags to pick up the meat ..
My opinion of course .

I agree edz
You would probably also be surprised how unobtrusive modern abs/traction control is, most people are not even aware it's working. However try putting you modern dual cab ute or fourby into off-road mode and turn off traction control on a wet day and you will soon see how much the rear end slips and spins, you will also be surprised how often the front brakes lock up for a fraction of a second or more
Lloyd


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[chester ver2.0]

Still reckon it would be far better for Gumbies that want to ride a bike,  go out and do the O'l Skool thing and heaven forbid actualy learn some riding skills.
 Dumbing things down and have a computer do things for the masses will  breed a dumber rider that will  get complacent and have  less skills than  needed, that  thinks a computer will save them when ever they push things too far .
Bring in the Body bags to pick up the meat ..
My opinion of course .

Hope you tell ya kids that in the hospital after they have made an honest mistake due to inexperience

[Charlie Brown]

Still reckon it would be far better for Gumbies that want to ride a bike,  go out and do the O'l Skool thing and heaven forbid actualy learn some riding skills.
 Dumbing things down and have a computer do things for the masses will  breed a dumber rider that will  get complacent and have  less skills than  needed, that  thinks a computer will save them when ever they push things too far .
Bring in the Body bags to pick up the meat ..
My opinion of course .

What a dumbarse comment.  So remove all the electronic stuff off cars as well?  You know all that stuff the Gumbie car drivers use everyday, mostly without even knowing that they do, to save you and your family?  Like ABS,  ESC, TC, EBD, etc etc

[topcat]

Very similar discussion and positions to the issue of wearing safety gear - a lot of the points (and differences) centre around freedom of choice v's mandatory.
TC

[Charlie Brown]

What, like being made to wear a helmet?

[Bigfish]

The Ol Skool way?  That,s how I learnt and am lucky to be alive today. Modern technology is making transport safer, more reliable and easier to ride/drive.  Would you trade your power assisted brakes in? What about power steering? Traction control, anti=wheelie, yaw sensors, riding modes..etc,etc. Electronics are doing a brilliant job at helping to save lives. Experience is the greatest thing you can have when riding a bike.  Being armed with a safe bike is also a blessing. The number of times my Mach 3 and Mach 4 Kwakas threw me off was crazy.  Skills are learnt and experience is gained from riding more. Todays bikes are  so far ahead of what I had as a young rider that there is no comparison.