Interesting read on electric cars

[WilSurf]

My 2005 Suzuki Swift can do all that except I don’t drive it to the Gym and happy not to visit the wife at work.
Cheap motoring, basic third party insurance, tank of juice about once a month and is probably worth less than the govt rebate for an EV.

Great alternative to running around in the 300s

We don'thave a 2005 Swift so the EV it is.

[prodigyrf]

So we piss off Huawei for good reason but for all the Chinese Trojan Horse owners know their EVs could be shut down at will or worse still kidnapped and turned into runaway crash missiles-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/ev-row-why-chinese-electric-cars-like-byd-and-mg-could-be-a-security-risk-as-aussies-are-forced-to-ditch-petrol-and-diesel-utes-and-suvs/ar-BB1jNy83
Proudly brought to you by the esteemed freedom loving climate changers that burn 55% of the world's coal and growing 

[WilSurf]

So can iPhone as they are manufactured in China as well, plus all the electronics in your house.

[Hairs]

Young Aussies inundated with calls after finding solution to major electric vehicle problem
 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/young-aussies-inundated-with-calls-after-finding-solution-to-major-electric-vehicle-problem-071239183.html?guccounter=1



You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[prodigyrf]

California and EV Heaven- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MXzxHc0dWo

They have more chargers but then they also have lots more EVs clogging them up and that will always be the problem as there's no real economic case for most public chargers. (Tesla already worked that out). So that only really leaves city slickers with offstreet parking and charging and no doubt why there's now over 550 used Model3 Teslas predominantly by private sellers on Carsales (2019s from $37000 asking price and dropping) 

Depreciation is killing EVs to boot so it's a 10 month estimated order wait for the missus new Corolla Cross hybrid shopping trolley but I'm not holding my breath if that blows out as her petrol Kia is only 3 yrs old and isn't going anywhere. Bowen and Co are smoking something they shouldn't.

So it's the same in Europe as it is in the US right now as word gets around- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuz3UQpiqQE

[prodigyrf]

Well we've come a long way from Covid and chip shortages and now there's plenty of new EVs in the showrooms and cheap used ones for sale but this bloke has tried them and he's come to the same conclusion as I have as a private buyer-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZysvgm2_Aw
He likes his cars and can certainly afford whatever he likes but he's really nailed the state of play with battery cars for now. Up to you whether you take his advice or not but I'm sticking with hybrid replacements now and that spells Toyota for mine.

[WilSurf]

And I love our EV.

[Black174]

See my previous post, I had tesla 3 performance and loved it.
Recently decided to move back north, so two vehicle was a pain.
There was never a scenario where i will sell the LC76, so sold the Tesla.

Was a great car, but my V8 is still king.

[wilson79]

I know 3 people that have gone down the electric car Path. They boasted how good their EV's were and how much they love them. The last of the three traded his last week. Had it 4 years. Traded the EV on a Toyota ICE/ hybrid. all three now back in ICE cars and say they wouldn't go back to EV.

[prodigyrf]

Bottom line with thirsty ICE cars and the NVES introduced at the start of 2025 is if you don't get it delivered by then you likely won't get it at all-
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/youre-too-late-for-a-toyota-landcruiser-v8-even-order-holders-now-uncertain-to-secure-70
If there are any thirsty ICE cars around in the showrooms come late December no doubt the dealers will register and demo them before Jan1.
Get your orders in for PHEVs or hybrids as most won't cop a price penalty in the first year but the CO2 limbo bar gets progressively lower each year after that and will eventually catch hybrids too.

[prodigyrf]

Isuzu between a rock and a hard place with NVES on the horizon-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/isuzu-confirms-electric-d-max-ute-for-australia/ar-BB1kbzWd

So what do you do as an Isuzu owner right now? OTOH your diesel becomes more desirable with only an EV option that could cost north of the Haval electric at $93k plus ORC but OTO if the battery Isuzus are a flop too they're likely to pull out of Oz altogether. You end up with a Ssangyong Holden or Daewoo etc. Decisions.... decisions.... and thanks Bowen and Co. Diesels are finished for light transport and Toyota are going to make a killing with petrol  hybrids and their 1:6:90 rule-
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/hybrids-better-for-the-environment-than-electric-cars-toyota
Paying through the nose for EGR/inlet manifold clogging and DPF and Adblue? Get real.

Edit: Smacks forehead! Apologies as it was of course the memorable LDV battery ute that sold one in February 
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/2023-ldv-et60-price-and-specs-stand-back-ford-ranger-and-toyota-hilux-australias-first

[Bird]

Full steam backwards.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-13311781/Musk-culls-14-000-jobs-Tesla-electric-car-giant-grapples-falling-sales.html?ito=social-facebook

[wilson79]

Full steam backwards.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-13311781/Musk-culls-14-000-jobs-Tesla-electric-car-giant-grapples-falling-sales.html?ito=social-facebook

I read that Rivan in the US are also cutting staff. It also appears that Europe is also seeing a decline in EV sales. Interesting to see what happens next..

[Pottsy]

Had a recent discussion with my mechanic about EVs, he has just completed a course on servicing them. Far more safety regulations than working on an ICE vehicle with the possibility of even more regulations to come to to fire hazards. He also mentioned something I hadn’t heard before that you should not fast charge anymore than twice a week as this will have a detrimental effect on recharge cycle life, lessen battery life.
He also made enquires re a new Kia EV6 battery replacement, a cool 48k. ( seems incredibly high to me) Average hybrid battery replacements 3.5k to 7k.

[prodigyrf]

Of course there'll be more regulation of lithium batteries as they're beginning to kill people-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/fire-authorities-warn-of-lithium-ion-battery-risks-after-two-students-narrowly-escape-melbourne-fire/ar-AA1ndwWr
EVs are simply much larger potential incendiaries and massing more and more of them together presents exponential risk whatever starts it. However it's more likely the insurance underwriters will be the first to really pull the rug out from under EV demand with unaffordable premiums in that regard.

[Rowlie]

Insurers base their premiums and underwriting on statistical analysis. From the little I have observed the stats don't recognise any increased fire risk in the ev space when compared to diesel / petrol ICE. The cost of repairs and progression to economic total loss is probably the bigger issue for insurers ie a relatively small bump can compromise the batteries I understand and the astronomical cost to replace these makes them economic total losses much sooner than an ICE vehicle. The other issue effecting insurance underwriting I reckon is the basic tenet that insurance is based on the many sharing the losses of the few. At this point in time "the many" are too few to do meaningful analysis.
BTW - I am a firm believer that ultimately we will all be driving something other than ICE vehicles - as we currently know them. For the reason detailed above alone I think the road will be bumpier than the GRR. It is going to be a journey that is worthy of many tonnes of popcorn as we watch it unfold.

Rowlie

[Fizzie]