Post by: Paul (SA) on October 17, 2014, 02:13:03 PM
Do you need a modem with the nbn or does the new technology make it redundant?
Post by: paceman on October 17, 2014, 02:30:43 PM
depending on your ISP, they can supply you with suitable hardware.
these faq's may also be of assistance:
http://www.nbnco.com.au/utility/faqs.html#.VECbKbCUdRo (http://www.nbnco.com.au/utility/faqs.html#.VECbKbCUdRo)
Post by: rokster72 on October 17, 2014, 02:57:26 PM
At first we sat there.. clicked on a link.. got up, go make coffee.. had a chat with the wife, mowed half the lawn.. came back.. ah.. you can enter your password now.. go off again. .mowed the rest of the lawn... and so you trundled at a sedate pace through getting your chores done, as well as internet banking, checking the cricket scores etc etc..
In waltz the NBN..
And you click on a link.. and before you can blink, the page is up.. and the next one, and the next one... soon you're mesmerised by the depths of the Interwebs.. you never realised how much is out there.. available for all and everyone.. then you hear a voice in the background.. it's your wife.. she's just about had it.. been shouting at you for 2 days now.. you realised you haven't shaved since Friday morning.. the lawn is still not mown, mates came and left after the rugby.. the weekend has come and gone.. reluctantly you get up and get ready for work.. Monday can't pass soon enough..
Soon, work is just an interlude between marathon internet sessions.. Youtube running on one screen, torrent manager on another.. your hard disks are filling up at an alarming rate.. but everywhere you go you see more stuff to download.. older versions of Ubuntu.. pre-release Windows 95 ( we can't mention the movies and television series because this is a law abiding forum )..
Reluctantly you install a proper router.. wire up the rest of the house.. now the whole family is hooked.. after all, Junior downloading some 'research material' isn't impacting any more on Princess listening the the latest boyband on Spotify.. somewhere in the background your wife has discovered digital scrapbooking.. and the last 20 years worth of awkward photos are making their way online to the family blog.. Someone mentions NetFlix and Hulu.. and soon you need to buy 3 more wide screen televisions to cater for everyone's tastes - long gone are the days of watching FamilyFeud together over dinner..
And then you discover online gaming.. World of Tanks, ARMA II, EVE Online.. work is beginning to seriously interfere with your newfound 'social'-life.. you've not met any of these people in real life.. but they're happy to see you.. greet you like a long lost friend.. Welcome.. you arrived in NBN-World..
Seriously.. the NBN is cool to have.. it's got 100001 benefits.. even the slowed down, half broken, archaic piece of crap Tony Abbott is organizing for us. However, be warned.. once you've had it.. you can't go back to being without it.. it very quickly digs it's fingers into your life.. and in many subtle ways, you're hooked to it for life.. It becomes the number one requirement when you start looking for a new house !
**Disclaimer : Events described above is completely fictional and do not have any relation to real events in my life -> I've never played EVE
Post by: Aaron Schubert on October 17, 2014, 03:15:26 PM
Aaron
Post by: rokster72 on October 17, 2014, 03:21:07 PM
Post by: Paul (SA) on October 17, 2014, 04:59:11 PM
Post by: rokster72 on October 17, 2014, 05:02:38 PM
Post by: paceman on October 17, 2014, 05:07:30 PM
Thanks Rokster. I am getting conflicting responses regarding the need for a modem. Be good to get a straight answer before wasting dollars on something you don't need.
as previously advised, no modem is necessary. a router, however, is.
Post by: Moggy on October 17, 2014, 06:26:20 PM
Just interested to hear feedback on the new nbn if anyone had signed up. We have to switch over by July next year.Do a search on whirlpool. That is the best forum to get info on any tech $ h! T
Do you need a modem with the nbn or does the new technology make it redundant?
We're all just redneck bogan campers here
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Post by: chillipepperz on October 17, 2014, 08:00:46 PM
Post by: Paul (SA) on October 17, 2014, 08:55:20 PM
Thanks for the advice about Whirlpool - I will have a look around and see what advice I can get.
Cheers, Paul
Post by: Kiwijohn on October 17, 2014, 11:12:41 PM
Love it and saving a fortune - 100gb, middle speed, from Exetel = $50 per month, add a Voip phone and all done.
Post by: Champin on June 30, 2016, 07:13:49 PM
Post by: beigewagon on June 30, 2016, 07:39:27 PM
Not in any hurry, have been told by two different NBN providers that our speed will most likely be slower than our current ADSL.
WTF? Apparently we live too close to the exchange! Less than 500 metres. Both providers gave the same reason, but the reason sounds like BS to me.
Beigewagon
Post by: Old65 on June 30, 2016, 07:53:38 PM
It also depends on if you are Fibre to the Premises or Fibre to the node as to whether you need a modem or not.They should be supplied by your ISP but I do know the later Telstra modems do not need to be changed as they can do ADSL and VDSL.
I did hear recently of people getting speeds upto 100mb/s on the fibre/copper FTTN.Any way I should find out tomorrow as I am getting switched over to NBN FTTN.
Darryl
Not in any hurry, have been told by two different NBN providers that our speed will most likely be slower than our current ADSL.
WTF? Apparently we live too close to the exchange! Less than 500 metres. Both providers gave the same reason, but the reason sounds like BS to me.
Beigewagon
Post by: firefox on July 01, 2016, 07:30:04 AM
We have about 6 services all switched over to NBN now.
Three of them are wireless with lines speeds of 25mb they also have that speed download of the same and thoroughly tested and they get 25mb.
We also have put in 100/40 links.
In Newcastle after they fixed cabling we get a connection line speed of 82/39. That was FTTN and not fibre to premises.
Speed in browser tests show at 72/39 roughly.
These are all on internode services mostly. On the speed 100/40 service above a building 2 doors down street about 50m away are on a Telstra service similar connection/plan and they are pushing yo get better then 25 in the browser.
It's not only the connection to NBN it's also the quality of the ISP you get as well.
I've spoken to a number of techs and they have all said any line connection must exceed 25mb as this is the minimum set by NBN co to ensure faster then adsl2+. We had one link badly configured at exchange and he tested it gave us 28. But he saw something weird and went and checked. Came back and presto running at 68.
Post by: GeoffA on July 01, 2016, 12:18:14 PM
Post by: Bird on July 01, 2016, 12:19:06 PM
Post by: GeoffA on July 01, 2016, 12:20:45 PM
....= Don't do it.
Not much choice, once they've given notice.
Post by: Bird on July 01, 2016, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: GeoffA
Not much choice, once they've given notice.
Yea we thought that - our old internet that was getting cut off March 31st - still works... Even after their 3 snail mail letters, several phone calls from them, emails galore telling us it was getting murdered...
Then to add to the fun, after 12 calls to Ape Shit in India to try and get it cut off - it still works...
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on July 01, 2016, 12:45:13 PM
That's if you've lots'a time and money to throw around.
Post by: Bill on July 01, 2016, 09:24:49 PM
Seems faster than our adsl2 was.
Although it's crap that we have to plug the house phone into the modem or the phone won't work.
Never had to plug it into the adsl2 modem, just plugged it into the extra phone lines we had installed.
Bill
Post by: scrapsD40 on July 08, 2016, 09:34:30 PM
Post by: Bird on July 08, 2016, 09:37:19 PM
Quote from: scrapsD40
said it's 75 times faster than our old adslSure you weren't on a 14.4k model?
Post by: peter01 on July 08, 2016, 09:37:28 PM
We just had ours set up. Techno nerd son said it's 75 times faster than our old adsl. Have noticed I don't seem to get buffering anymore.......
Scarps, with the speed you keep in touch with everything i'm surprised you actually notice any difference
Post by: scrapsD40 on July 08, 2016, 09:39:15 PM
I type slow. But I don't get buffering anymore........very important
Scarps, with the speed you keep in touch with everything i'm surprised you actually notice any difference
Post by: jeb1900 on July 08, 2016, 10:10:02 PM
Seriously, once you've had it. It is a must have for your next house, as you do NOT want to go back to ADSL no matter what the cost is!
Post by: scrapsD40 on July 08, 2016, 10:16:31 PM
Sure you weren't on a 14.4k model?
Previously on adsl wire to hard drive we used to download at 1Mbps, and now getting 74Mbps download and 30Mbps uploads.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160708/ff6a72ad88540f81101a8891f9b901c7.png)
Here's my iPad test on the wifi with 4 people currently on iPads etc(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160708/71fa9ff440d5a47f6487e37161ba18ae.png)
Post by: jeb1900 on July 09, 2016, 05:04:58 PM
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/5463396933.png)
Post by: Bird on July 09, 2016, 07:04:30 PM
Post by: GeoffA on July 09, 2016, 07:07:44 PM
I'd go down on the queen mothers corpse for speeds 1/2 of that with my ****ing Shit NBN
Double ewe tee eff??
We typically see 95 down, 38 up, and 2 ping. What's wrong with yours??
Post by: Bird on July 09, 2016, 07:08:55 PM
Double ewe tee eff??22 and 5 here.. n 4 ping
We typically see 95 down, 38 up, and 2 ping. What's wrong with yours??
Post by: GeoffA on July 09, 2016, 07:10:49 PM
22 and 5 here.. n 4 ping
???
Move to the good side of town....
Post by: jeb1900 on July 09, 2016, 07:13:26 PM
22 and 5 here.. n 4 ping
What speed are you paying for? Have you connected using ethernet cable directly to your router to ensure it's not wi-fi issues?
Post by: Bird on July 09, 2016, 07:14:44 PM
Quote from: GeoffA
???We aren't even 1/2 way from the exchange to the far side of the range!
Move to the good side of town....
Post by: Bird on September 29, 2016, 02:56:27 PM
The Comments are gold!
Quote
mirrorsofsmokeSydney,Sep 29 2016 at 11:18am
Fibre To The Driveway!
Brilliant isnt it?
Next it'll be Fibre To Halfway Up The Front Lawn.
Fibre To The Outside Dunny
Fibre To The Front Step
Fibre To The Front Door
Then eventually when Plan X from Outer Space is revealed (in about 50 years time at the current rate of progress) it'll be back to the future to Fibre To The Premises as originally planned .
Imagine the looks of incredulity on visitors faces when they ask what our internet is like and we reply "Oh we have fibre to the driveway!"
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Post by: gronk on September 29, 2016, 07:18:13 PM
I've been connected to NBN FTTP on 100/40 connection for almost two years now.
Seriously, once you've had it. It is a must have for your next house, as you do NOT want to go back to ADSL no matter what the cost is!
Where I am it's FTTN, which is 3 streets away !! I currently get approx 14mbps and the most I'll get with NBN is supposed to be 38mbps.
So, the closest plan is 25mbps, and really, what great advantage is the extra 11mbps gonna do ( if I actually do get it )??
Unfortunately, I'll have to connect before next April, but I'm still no wiser as to who I'll go with ??
Post by: beigewagon on September 30, 2016, 08:22:25 AM
Gronk,
We have been told it will cost us $50 to change phone providers, and keep our current phone number, or have a new number at no cost.
Beigewagon
Post by: cruiser 91 on September 30, 2016, 03:46:59 PM
Took 2 months to get the NBN connected via IInet, then they couldn't give a time frame to send out a router. I gave their $69 a month 12 down & 1 up the flick it was no faster than my previous ADSL2.
We are now with Boom Broadband, Aussie owned and you speak to an Aussie within 1min of calling. $79 per month, unlimited data, 25 down & 5 up, no contract $100.00, router $89.00. Its been 1 month, all good and fast so far, as long as we have power ;D
Post by: jeb1900 on October 26, 2016, 10:03:50 PM
It's almost better than the speeds I usually get at home, with FTTP!
Post by: mrdenn1s on October 27, 2016, 06:39:44 AM
Post by: listo on October 27, 2016, 06:50:24 AM
Where's the queen mothers corpse these days Bird? I'd love internet like yours
Post by: jeb1900 on October 27, 2016, 09:03:47 AM
Unfortunately, I'll have to connect before next April, but I'm still no wiser as to who I'll go with ??
I've been with iiNet for my NBN at home, and now we're with iiNet at work too. Their service has been very good, even after their unfortunate takeover by TPG. Hopefully TPG continue to leave iiNet alone, I dont have the best memories of them but some of my friends swear by them.
Post by: Azz on October 27, 2016, 12:01:54 PM
Ping 30ms DL 23.56mpbs Up 3.67mpbs
4G on iPhone with Telstra = 35ms DL 27.23mbps Up 4.38
Once school is out for the day, the NBN is slower than a courier Pigeon.
Post by: Bird on October 27, 2016, 12:04:12 PM
Quote from: Azz
Once school is out for the day, the NBN is slower than a courier Pigeon.:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Post by: Bird on January 05, 2017, 10:03:15 AM
Last Result:
Download Speed: 16936 kbps (2117 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 18592 kbps (2324 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 50 ms
Jitter: 1 ms
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Post by: alnjan on January 05, 2017, 02:56:02 PM
Download Speed: 21839 kbps (2729.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 4298 kbps (537.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 39 ms
1/5/2017, 3:53:15 PM
OR
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/5938624545.png) (http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5938624545)
Post by: Jasman on January 29, 2017, 11:36:58 PM
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/5976039521.png)
Post by: gronk on January 30, 2017, 07:09:26 PM
I bonded my two connections the other day, the results were pretty impressive!
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/5976039521.png)
For the dummies, what is bonding 2 connections ?
Post by: glenm64 on January 30, 2017, 07:17:22 PM
For the dummies, what is bonding 2 connections ?I tried bonding mine, but the superglue didn't work
Cheers Glen
Post by: Paddler Ed on January 30, 2017, 07:37:57 PM
I think the big thing is using some of the smaller ISPs - ours was fantastically reliable on the FTTP so will be interesting to see how we go on fixed wireless next week... Pain has been the 3 weeks for an install window into a new build...
Post by: Jasman on January 30, 2017, 07:50:57 PM
For the dummies, what is bonding 2 connections ?
Hey Gronk, I have a 100/40 connection and a 50/20 connection and I connected them to one router that has the ability to handle multiple connections and use them simultaneously by breaking the message into its bits and sending it out alternatively over each connection.
I can't really explain why the bonded* connection was faster than the sum of the two individual connections but I have a few theories.
*for the IT nerds, I know this isn't truly bonded, it's actually a session based load balance as opposed to the traditional IP based load balance. Each Wan still has its own IP
I tried bonding mine, but the superglue didn't work
You should try sikka!
Post by: gronk on January 30, 2017, 09:54:26 PM
Hey Gronk, I have a 100/40 connection and a 50/20 connection
2 separate incoming lines ? Home or a business ?
Post by: Jasman on January 30, 2017, 10:07:40 PM
2 separate incoming lines ? Home or a business ?
Yep, that's two NBN connections and yes that's at work. At home I have to make do with a single 100/40 connection with a 4G mobile backup!
With Fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) NBN you can actually have up to four connections hanging off the one strand of fibre. If I could come up with a good reason for about $500pm I could get 4 x 100/100MB connections and "bond" them together and get something like 450MB up and down assuming my routers could actually handle the bandwidth.
Post by: Pete79 on February 27, 2017, 06:40:51 PM
Quote
"The number one question we get asked by people is 'when will it actually be available?' so this new update gives people an answer to that very question," NBN spokesperson Dan Chamberlain told the ABC.
Well apparently they can't actually answer that very question for everyone....
I punched in my address and got this very detailed answer. ::)
Quote
The rollout of the nbnnetwork is planned in this area.
nbn is committed to completing the rollout by 2020.
We expect to have more information about the availability and technology in your area soon.
You can check your address again at any time or register and we will keep you informed with regular updates.
Post by: Nomad on February 27, 2017, 08:27:29 PM
Post by: prodigyrf on February 27, 2017, 09:06:25 PM
In particular-
"We have moved away from telling people when we'll be building in their neighbourhood to when they can contact their retailer to buy a service"
"It's not until we are in the streets that we have a clear view of the technology available to individual homes so there are times where a different solution is determined to be better than that which was planned,"
So forget all the ifs, buts and maybes and wait til you finally get a letter from NBNCo to say you can jump onboard and then you'll find out what form factor you're actually getting ie FTTP, FTTN, HFC or FTTDp
Post by: KevL on February 27, 2017, 09:07:11 PM
I'm going to get fixed wireless by Jul-Dec 2020.
A bit different to Malcolm's promises of 2016
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Post by: muzza01 on February 28, 2017, 05:13:25 AM
Post by: Bird on February 28, 2017, 07:31:59 AM
Quote from: Nomad
... my business is right next door to the exchange ???I wish.. that would be sweet.
Post by: duggie on February 28, 2017, 08:40:25 AM
The rollout of the nbn™ network is planned in this area
Planned availability: Jul-Dec 2020*.
Planned technology: nbn™ Fixed Wireless*.
Post by: Pete79 on February 28, 2017, 08:50:34 AM
I saw all the cars and thought, "Sweet, they're getting ready to hook us up".
It looks like the reality was they opened the boxes and said "F.... That!! Lets leave this place till last, hopefully someone else will have to deal with this mess!"
We don't have a availability date or a planned technology.
In the old too hard basket we go.
Post by: cruiser 91 on February 28, 2017, 08:52:45 AM
Looks like I will be getting this service real soon, might have time to make a cuppa before the technicians arrive. >:( >:(So much for keeping up with the world. The NBN will be old and outdated technology by 2020.
The rollout of the nbn™ network is planned in this area
Planned availability: Jul-Dec 2020*.
Planned technology: nbn™ Fixed Wireless*.
To tell you the truth, I was happy with my old Naked ADSL............it was far cheaper and did the job I needed.
Post by: Bird on February 28, 2017, 09:34:32 AM
My NBN connection is still Shitful, and worse than the Optus Cable I had before and many people say same thing on Whingepool etc... So I have ZERO idea why anyone is getting excited.. ??? ??? I'd be over the moon if I still had cable.
Post by: prodigyrf on February 28, 2017, 12:18:40 PM
Major problem with NBN is that if either the telephone exchange or your house loses power (electricity) than the phone won't work. Not so bad for major populated areas that rely on mobile phones but for places without mobile access....you can't even ring 000
Quit yer bellyachin softies cos you now have access to Satellite everywhere-
http://www.samemory.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=267 (http://www.samemory.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=267)
Post by: rotare on February 28, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
A year later the concrete cover is still off the pit, the NBN sign has faded and the yellow safety barrier is now a great trellis for the blackberry bush that has since grown....
Not sure when we will be getting it ???
Post by: Inland_Sailor on February 28, 2017, 02:59:44 PM
Post by: paceman on February 28, 2017, 03:16:41 PM
(http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6089374779.png)
this has been consistent since install (early january 2017), even at peak times through the day...
less than 1km from the nearest node, from what i can tell.
very happy :laugh:
even get consistently above 20Mbps (sometimes more, test below) when using a VPN service, so streaming sport from other sources is easy 8)...
(http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6089386247.png)
Post by: dogbox on February 28, 2017, 07:37:45 PM
We are on it.
Seems faster than our adsl2 was.
Although it's crap that we have to plug the house phone into the modem or the phone won't work.
Never had to plug it into the adsl2 modem, just plugged it into the extra phone lines we had installed.
Bill
just had a similar issue computer works phones don't there sending out new box with more plugs in it to see if that will fix it or I can pay a tech person to sort it out
Post by: ATC on February 28, 2017, 08:58:52 PM
We're getting FTTN, website says Apr-Jun 2017, but I'll believe that when they knock on the door and say change your plan.
If we can get 50/20 I'd be estatic (work from home, can't browse, be on a vpn, screenshare and do voip on adsl 2)
Was supposed to be done by jun 2016, maybe that was an election promise.....
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Post by: Fizzie on March 01, 2017, 07:04:33 AM
Not sure what, if any, change to expect - a few horror stories on Whirlpool about congestion, particularly in the evening, but most of my use is during the day so that's not worrying me, yet :D
One potential problem with the HFC NBN is that there's absolutely no battery backup, so if there's a power cut anywhere from the exchange, through the network out to your street, or just local, you lose all internet / phone. :'( They suggest using your mobile as emergency backup, but from the SA blackout last year, there are reports that mobile towers were also draining their backup battery's within as little as 30 minutes, then shutting down! >:(
Starting to think more & more every day that Australia is going backwards, regardless of how much we talk ourselves up as a "Smart" country :'(
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on March 01, 2017, 08:39:39 AM
Old Copper wire system was always there unless someone cut a cable between you and the exchange.
Powered by the exchange, it didn't need a power source at the customer end.
It was an invaluable life saving system.
Whoever came up with this new system, needs to be put into a situation where it all goes pear shaped.
Politicians who forced this on the general populace included.
Post by: shanegtr on March 01, 2017, 08:51:50 AM
Post by: toglhot on March 01, 2017, 10:45:55 AM
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 15, 2017, 04:19:03 PM
I had reliable 25/5 FTTP in town, always within 10%, so I'll be interested to see how we do with fixed wifeless just out of town. I think we have line of site onto the tower, and I'm staying with the same ISP so hopefully the performance should be similar.
I think the big thing is using some of the smaller ISPs - ours was fantastically reliable on the FTTP so will be interesting to see how we go on fixed wireless next week... Pain has been the 3 weeks for an install window into a new build...
So.... two months after we moved in, we finally have Fixed Wirelss NBN (OK, we'd have got it a fortnigh ago if we'd been here...).
Install took 50minutes (single storey, shed type house) and then another 7hrs for NBNCo to switch it on properly - my ISP had their side sorted 20minutes after the install guy left.
So far so good; Speedtest is shocking (in part because we've jumped on with both laptops and any other devices and are hammering it), but it's usable and will settle down over time (we have a lot of low cloud today) as we are 2km from the tower. I'm hoping a switch on and off tonight will encourage it to settle down and stop being in test mode - I'll also double check with the ISP that they have us on the correct speed...
Post by: edz on March 15, 2017, 06:09:45 PM
Our Big T NBN tech ran and hid because the weather forecast was for a possible shower today .which happened about 15 minutes ago .
Post by: eventyr on March 15, 2017, 06:48:35 PM
Fizzie, totally agree.I was under the impression that the NBN install box has a battery backup installed with it (for free) which will last 48hrs+ with no power, and if you need more you can install more backup batteries relatively easily?
Old Copper wire system was always there unless someone cut a cable between you and the exchange.
Powered by the exchange, it didn't need a power source at the customer end.
It was an invaluable life saving system.
Whoever came up with this new system, needs to be put into a situation where it all goes pear shaped.
Politicians who forced this on the general populace included.
Post by: paceman on March 15, 2017, 07:05:15 PM
I was under the impression that the NBN install box has a battery backup installed with it (for free) which will last 48hrs+ with no power, and if you need more you can install more backup batteries relatively easily?
Fibre to the premises, yep (but not by default, I think)... fibre to the node, nope...
http://www.nbnco.com.au/connect-home-or-business/already-connected/nbn-equipment/battery-back-up-service-information.html (http://www.nbnco.com.au/connect-home-or-business/already-connected/nbn-equipment/battery-back-up-service-information.html)
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 15, 2017, 07:17:28 PM
Hey Ed I take it it was a sunny day in Armidale and not a cloud in sight or the risk of one passing by, Either that or the Techs up that way are built tougher than their coast counterparts .
Our Big T NBN tech ran and hid because the weather forecast was for a possible shower today .which happened about 15 minutes ago .
You got the same one as we did a month ago.... a storm was forecast... yes it hit town, but we live 3km from town, and unless it comes from the east of the hill, we won't get it...
Yep, overcast day but this morning you could see the towers; this arvo and evening no sign of them!
The guy I had this morning knew that the storms and rain here on the whole is flash and go, although today was wet rain all day (No real heavy rain, just constant rain); he had another 3 jobs today on top of mine, and was out the door by 9.15 having turned up at 8am.
Post by: Gunsrunner on March 15, 2017, 07:22:48 PM
I was under the impression that the NBN install box has a battery backup installed with it (for free) which will last 48hrs+ with no power, and if you need more you can install more backup batteries relatively easily?Yep unless the tech mounts the box 6 inches to far away from the dedicated power point lol, in our rental property this is what happened. techies !!!!!!
Post by: edz on March 15, 2017, 07:23:36 PM
In regards to the battery question All we got was an NBN modem and a couple of cords in the box, power off and all the pretty lights go out with all connection.
No back up batteries here, The little girlie at the NBN desk just told to use a mobile phone if the power goes out .
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 15, 2017, 07:32:32 PM
Good to see you got a bit of wet PD ..
In regards to the battery question All we got was an NBN modem and a couple of cords in the box, power off and all the pretty lights go out with all connection.
No back up batteries here, The little girlie at the NBN desk just told to use a mobile phone if the power goes out .
FTTP in the old place was one of the last ones to get the battery back up; I think if you need monitored alerts (old people) then you can still get a battery.
New place with the dainty box for fixed wireless is a bloody big capacitor (techs description) which takes about 5 mins to discharge for a turn off and back on reset.
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on March 15, 2017, 07:37:14 PM
Good to see you got a bit of wet PD ..
In regards to the battery question All we got was an NBN modem and a couple of cords in the box, power off and all the pretty lights go out with all connection.
No back up batteries here, The little girlie at the NBN desk just told to use a mobile phone if the power goes out .
All well and good if you have an automatic backup for your House 240v.. Like an un-interruptable power supply.
If you don't then you won't have anything working inside your house at all unless it has a battery backup as well.
Those little girlies have wonderful answers alright.
And the fibre to the node cabinets do have batteries to sustain them.
But you need power in your house system to be able to get your stuff to talk to their stuff etc.
And if the power goes out on the mains your solar panels get shut down as well, if they feed the mains.
It's a safety thing. They don't want linies working on hot stuff, when it's supposed to be dead.
Post by: bkim on March 16, 2017, 01:11:09 AM
Since then no problems, speed even during peak times never drops below 93Mbps download (tops out around 95 -96 other times) and around 34 to 36 Mbps uploads. TPG still required mandatory battery backup (at least they did at the time) and use the UNI - v port on the NTD for a separate connection for the phone which has been excellent, crystal clear at all times, so far very satisfied.
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 16, 2017, 11:16:13 AM
http://www.speedtest.net/result/6134040244.png (http://www.speedtest.net/result/6134040244.png)
We're on a 25/5 plan, so I'm pretty happy with that - no variation with ethernet cable into the router or via the wifi network in the house, but then the furthest we are is only about 9m from the router and all it's got is gyprock walls to go through.
I'll be interested to see performance in the evening, but within 20% is tolerable for what we're supposed to have - it may creep up again a bit more depending on conditions.
Post by: Darcy7 on March 16, 2017, 11:18:16 AM
The amount of trouble we had getting connected, incorrect billing and ongoing technical issues have caused us nothing but stress and many issues have still not been resolved.
After months of arguing with Optus, I FINALLY got onto an Australian technician who basically admitted to me that Optus had not purchased sufficient bandwidth in my area to support its customer base and that there was no solution, short, medium or long term...! I could either put up with it or go to another carrier. No offer of a discounted rate till its fixed, no compensation, no refunds for crappy service, nothing. Basically take it or leave it.
I considered switching to telstra but heard of similar nightmares with their service.
We have been sold a complete crock of excrement with NBN. Frankly 4G is faster....!!!!
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 16, 2017, 11:30:52 AM
We have NBN through Optus, fibre/copper, and it is complete and utter ShitE...!!!! My next door neighbor kept his ADSL and he gets faster speeds than I do...!!!
The amount of trouble we had getting connected, incorrect billing and ongoing technical issues have caused us nothing but stress and many issues have still not been resolved.
After months of arguing with Optus, I FINALLY got onto an Australian technician who basically admitted to me that Optus had not purchased sufficient bandwidth in my area to support its customer base and that there was no solution, short, medium or long term...! I could either put up with it or go to another carrier. No offer of a discounted rate till its fixed, no compensation, no refunds for crappy service, nothing. Basically take it or leave it.
I considered switching to telstra but heard of similar nightmares with their service.
We have been sold a complete crock of excrement with NBN. Frankly 4G is faster....!!!!
It's interesting, most of the complaints I read are from people running:
Optus
Telstra
iiNet
and other big companies.
OK, my ISP doesn't get the best rating on Speedtest (2.5 stars by the looks of it) but they do have a lot of customers on Sky Muster which has been an even bigger disaster - I'll write a longer piece on that mess this afternoon - but they have been fantastically reliable and generally problem free (apart from me messing things up) in the 3.5 years I've been with them. Billing errors? None existant - they do send the invoice through a bit close to when they take the money though, and drop outs or speeds drastically outside of what is offered? Not very often.
Post by: paceman on March 16, 2017, 11:33:38 AM
It's interesting, most of the complaints I read are from people running:
Optus
Telstra
iiNet
and other big companies.
OK, my ISP doesn't get the best rating on Speedtest (2.5 stars by the looks of it) but they do have a lot of customers on Sky Muster which has been an even bigger disaster - I'll write a longer piece on that mess this afternoon - but they have been fantastically reliable and generally problem free (apart from me messing things up) in the 3.5 years I've been with them. Billing errors? None existant - they do send the invoice through a bit close to when they take the money though, and drop outs or speeds drastically outside of what is offered? Not very often.
i signed up with iinet for my NBN changeover and have had no issues so far....
performance has been great and changeover was trouble-free...
YMMV
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 16, 2017, 12:39:10 PM
Sky Muster which has been an even bigger disaster - I'll write a longer piece on that mess this afternoon
As promised, here's some of the problems with Sky Muster (for those that don't know what Sky Muster is, it's the NBN solution for remote and regional Australia where fixed wireless is not practical):
-Sky Muster is intended to remove the need for the Universal Service Obligation of a copper line to a property
-Sky Muster is dependent on electrickery (see other posts on NBN) to work
-Sky Muster is not very good in storms (the rain drops and atmospherics cause chaos with signals)
-The amount that is expected to be done online running an agricultural operation is ever increasing (NLIS etc, never mind all the standard business tasks through MYOB etc), but there is not enough affordable data for the above to be done, let alone the kids schooling via online correspondance, nor is there the bandwidth to do it.
-The Govt have sold some of the Sky Muster bandwidth to Qantas for inflight WiFi (http://www.beefcentral.com/news/selling-skymuster-bandwidth-to-qantas-doesnt-fly-with-connectivity-starved-farmers/)
Lastly, and this was the most interesting one, the ABC have turned off Shortwave radio transmissions (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-08/abc-shut-shortwave-radio-service-met-with-anger/8103096)... now, this sounds minor, but if you're located in an area that is prone to cyclones etc where power disappears, then you tend to like to know what's going on... and without radio you don't know what's going on. But, wait, you can still listen to the radio via the internet can't you? Nope... not if it's Sky Muster... OK, so you can call someone? Nope, not if you're dependent on a VOIP line via Skymuster...
Now this is first hand stories from someone who I met at a conference who ran a cattle property in the NT... they'd just finished work on the 90 page submission to the ACMA about the closing of the SW radio service and the removal of the USO for the copper line... it was interesting out of a table of 8 who are all involved in agricultural and resource economics, that I was the only other one who could knew about the Sky Muster problems and the sell off of bandwidth to Qantas; the others were all based in GCCSA's and surrounds.
Post by: edz on March 22, 2017, 03:31:05 PM
DSL speed was 14.1 and 1
NBN speed is 20.8 and 4.7 so a little bit faster than ADSL .. Time will tell if theres future troubles with drop outs etc.
Post by: gronk on March 22, 2017, 07:11:31 PM
Notice no difference, but at least it's only costing me an extra $5/mth.
I thought it would let me download some movies, but a 900Mb movie still took over an hour to download, so much for faster speeds ?
Post by: bkim on March 23, 2017, 12:19:43 AM
You didn't mention what type your connection is FTTP, FTTN, HFC etc.
even if you have FTTN your speed being close to your advertised plan speed would indicate you must be close to a node, in which case you could always elect to lift your speeds up to 100/40 and you will certainly notice the difference.
Virtually no one can see the difference between 23 and 16 Mbps, but your upload is considerably better.
Post by: gronk on March 23, 2017, 04:12:08 PM
Hi Gronk
You didn't mention what type your connection is FTTP, FTTN, HFC etc.
even if you have FTTN your speed being close to your advertised plan speed would indicate you must be close to a node, in which case you could always elect to lift your speeds up to 100/40 and you will certainly notice the difference.
Virtually no one can see the difference between 23 and 16 Mbps, but your upload is considerably better.
Yeh, FTTN ..the node is 2 streets away. Going by the NBN speed map of my area, I can only expect a high of 38Mbps, so 25 is it. IF I could get 38, I would've thought I'd get the full 25, but 23 is OK I suppose.
For arguments sake, even if I was on a 100Mbps plan and I could actually get it, how can you download at that speed if the other end is only uploading at a lot slower speed ??
Post by: paceman on March 23, 2017, 04:34:43 PM
For arguments sake, even if I was on a 100Mbps plan and I could actually get it, how can you download at that speed if the other end is only uploading at a lot slower speed ??
you most likely can't, because it's a theoretical speed...
your point about the upload is right to a degree, depending on what you are downloading and where it is coming from...
streaming services (netflix, stan, foxtel play, etc) are designed for this (their upload speeds are enhanced by content delivery network setups all over the world) in mind, so you should only be limited by connection speed and real world download speed (doesn't always work out that way because of different factors, congestion for one)
Post by: Craig Tomkinson on March 23, 2017, 07:05:52 PM
Post by: bkim on March 24, 2017, 01:16:42 AM
"Yeh, FTTN ..the node is 2 streets away. Going by the NBN speed map of my area, I can only expect a high of 38Mbps, so 25 is it. IF I could get 38, I would've thought I'd get the full 25, but 23 is OK I suppose."
If your node is 2 streets away, I would almost say you had won "node lotto" as from what I've seen of FTTN the speeds start to degrade noticeably for most people when the node distance exceeds 400m, as paceman said, speeds are theoretical, you can virtually never achieve the so called maximum plan speed.
Luckily all the people I've assisted with their NBN connection are on FTTP in Townsville, so all achieve very close to their advertised speeds
Post by: gronk on March 24, 2017, 05:47:21 AM
Gronk replied
"Yeh, FTTN ..the node is 2 streets away. Going by the NBN speed map of my area, I can only expect a high of 38Mbps, so 25 is it. IF I could get 38, I would've thought I'd get the full 25, but 23 is OK I suppose."
If your node is 2 streets away, I would almost say you had won "node lotto" as from what I've seen of FTTN the speeds start to degrade noticeably for most people when the node distance exceeds 400m, as paceman said, speeds are theoretical, you can virtually never achieve the so called maximum plan speed.
Luckily all the people I've assisted with their NBN connection are on FTTP in Townsville, so all achieve very close to their advertised speeds
Even though the node is 2 streets away, the shortest walking route would be approx 600m ? So 23 from a 25 plan is good then ?
Post by: bkim on March 25, 2017, 12:49:23 AM
Congestion seems to be a bit more of a problem on FTTN than FTTP and it also is determined by the quality of your RSP and how much CVC comes into play, if you were interested in comments on the NBN (of all types) coming from round Australia you can always log in and view the forums at Whirlpool http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/142 (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/142)
Quite often you may see a post from your area which will give you a bit of a comparison on the local networks performance.
something to note with FTTN, unless you actually know where the lines run from the node, don't assume it is the shortest distance. I've heard of someone in Brisbane with the nearest node on his neighbours footpath, but his connection comes from a node over 1 km away, with corresponding poor speeds
Post by: stabicraft on March 25, 2017, 08:02:11 PM
My No Bloody Network has been playing up all day.
Is this just the norm or is there something unusual happening up here?
Post by: gronk on March 25, 2017, 08:09:45 PM
Im on the Central Coast of NSW
My No Bloody Network has been playing up all day.
Is this just the norm or is there something unusual happening up here?
Kanwal for me.......only been on it for a week.....no probs......YET ?
Was happy to stay on adsl, but had to change.....had no drop outs or slow going for 6 + yrs....!!
Post by: prodigyrf on March 26, 2017, 09:58:17 AM
"It's not until we are in the streets that we have a clear view of the technology available to individual homes so there are times where a different solution is determined to be better than that which was planned," Simon said.
"We have moved away from telling people when we'll be building in their neighbourhood to when they can contact their retailer to buy a service."
http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/company-news/when-will-you-get-the-nbn/ar-AAnsL7i (http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/company-news/when-will-you-get-the-nbn/ar-AAnsL7i)